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  <row Id="375" PostId="1" Score="3" Text="I wish there was more management participation." CreationDate="2012-04-23T05:33:34.403" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="6564" PostId="1" Score="0" Text="After participating with the Workplace for a while, I agree with your assessment. Rather than attempt to change the culture of this group, I'm thinking we should have a group for Managers of People: http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/76515/managing-people?referrer=MU-waMOyw2gv8GRsyPhc_Q2" CreationDate="2014-09-10T16:34:40.863" UserId="25306" />
  <row Id="6607" PostId="1" Score="2" Text="@MikeVanTrufflebutt what does &quot;I agree with your assessment&quot; mean, in light of (a) a question (and highly-upvoted answer) saying &quot;yes, this is on topic&quot; and (b) your proposal for a different site because, you assert, they aren't on-topic here?  Management *is* on-topic here, though of course questions need to be good questions in all other respects too (not bad-subjective, not primarily-opinion-based, answerable, etc).  And yes it would be nice to have more managers asking questions here, but you don't define a site's scope by *who's here now* but by *what topics are welcome*." CreationDate="2014-09-14T03:51:55.557" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2" PostId="4" Score="0" Text="I would expect a question such as that would elaborate, with the title that short only for simplicity. But, point taken. :)" CreationDate="2012-04-10T19:56:16.557" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="124" PostId="5" Score="4" Text="Although we can have a rule, one thing that really helps anyway is:&#xA;&#xA;People with experience who've learned 'the hard way' seem to be much more motivated to post about it and vote.  Not every time but it seems like some of the SO success is based on that anyway." CreationDate="2012-04-13T04:29:44.293" UserId="126" />
  <row Id="575" PostId="5" Score="0" Text="I think any rule must require citations for claims of fact.  I understand there will be opinions as answers but they should be plainly stated that they are opinions rather than as fact." CreationDate="2012-05-01T12:27:58.703" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="576" PostId="5" Score="0" Text="The point isn't just so the voting community has a base to judge on but so that went people post low-quality answers we can point them to the FAQ and say &quot;We expect X&quot;, by default people don't read the FAQ, but it's a good resource to point people to if they make a mistake." CreationDate="2012-05-01T13:17:35.207" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="6230" PostId="5" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [FAQ proposal: Back It Up and Don't Repeat Others](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/255/faq-proposal-back-it-up-and-dont-repeat-others)" CreationDate="2014-08-04T21:32:06.687" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6248" PostId="5" Score="0" Text="@Gnat You know that this is the post that lead to the Question you are wanting to close it as a duplicate of right?" CreationDate="2014-08-06T16:12:06.043" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6250" PostId="5" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame sure, I checked that prior to voting close. Dupe closing in favor of more up-to-date / definitive question that supercedes prior discussion seems to be quite popular at all meta sites I participate ([recent example](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/q/5738/31260)), it helps meta readers to avoid getting confused with outdated guidance" CreationDate="2014-08-06T16:17:14.107" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6251" PostId="5" Score="0" Text="A better solution would be to have the post locked with an explanation by the mods so as not to confuse." CreationDate="2014-08-06T16:19:02.653" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3" PostId="6" Score="0" Text="Agreed, it's too early to enfore something like this." CreationDate="2012-04-10T21:30:39.653" UserId="64" />
  <row Id="12" PostId="6" Score="7" Text="I disagree to a point. It's never too early to start enforcing a good standard, whereas introducing something like this later may be more difficult." CreationDate="2012-04-11T01:06:46.793" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="15" PostId="6" Score="0" Text="@AnnaLear - That's why I said it should in in the FAQ from &quot;day one&quot;." CreationDate="2012-04-11T08:57:13.953" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="16" PostId="6" Score="0" Text="If it's in the FAQ, it should be enforced. I'm already seeing a lot of one line answers to questions. I would expect this site to be similar in nature to Programmers - low accept rates and high numbers (5-7+) of detailed answers." CreationDate="2012-04-11T12:08:33.437" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="17" PostId="6" Score="0" Text="@ThomasOwens - I'm coming round to this view." CreationDate="2012-04-11T12:10:42.367" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="21" PostId="7" Score="1" Text="Volume of *questions* is good, and enough answers to answer those Qs are good, but I *have* noticed some questions get a glut of answers very very quickly. A large volume of answers on a single question isn't necessarily helpful" CreationDate="2012-04-11T13:24:50.640" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="10" PostId="8" Score="1" Text="Tags are certainly a possible way to handle this, however I'd hate to see *every single question* tagged with a region if possible..." CreationDate="2012-04-10T22:28:14.370" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="22" PostId="8" Score="2" Text="I dont know if we need tags but the culture should be explicit in the question." CreationDate="2012-04-11T13:28:17.480" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8" PostId="10" Score="0" Text="Better now. I've removed my obsolete comments..." CreationDate="2012-04-10T22:11:59.273" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="9" PostId="10" Score="0" Text="I've created the software-industry tag (for lack of a better label) to tag my (one) question that was actually domain specific" CreationDate="2012-04-10T22:24:32.940" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="11" PostId="11" Score="2" Text="Agreed. I would actually encourage suggested edits that remove industry-specific titles and tags, unless the question/dilema being posed is somehow specific to the industry in question - which I imagine will be unusual." CreationDate="2012-04-10T22:56:59.453" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="19" PostId="11" Score="1" Text="I strongly support this, and I've been asking questions that are either not field specific or that came up in the course of my *business* education. :D This site has the potential to be valuable well beyond the IT Field; I would hope we endeavor to reach that broader audience." CreationDate="2012-04-11T13:12:02.263" UserId="27" />
  <row Id="47" PostId="13" Score="1" Text="What do you think is *missing* from the FAQ or what do you think needs *improvement*? It's better to adjust the FAQ case-by-case rather than just soliciting general opinions." CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:26:40.690" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="798" PostId="14" Score="0" Text="In days gone by smoke break would have been a great name for this... not many would get it today." CreationDate="2012-07-12T12:46:17.470" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2876" PostId="14" Score="0" Text="This is one of the [seven essential questions of site metas](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/07/the-7-essential-meta-questions-of-every-beta/), according to Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2013-07-15T13:07:05.500" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="48" PostId="15" Score="0" Text="&quot;Germane&quot; is a pretty awkward word choice for an FAQ, stick with &quot;relevant&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:33:06.850" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="75" PostId="15" Score="0" Text="Good point Rarity" CreationDate="2012-04-12T03:52:10.450" UserId="118" />
  <row Id="13" PostId="16" Score="2" Text="Very well said." CreationDate="2012-04-11T01:24:41.457" UserId="36" />
  <row Id="20" PostId="16" Score="4" Text="While we should protect the quality of content, I'm not sure how enforcable or helpful the back it up rule would be here; unlike Parenting there's generally no publicly availible research to point to for the sort of questions we're having, and I'd rather not read a full site where every single answer is prefixed with &quot;I have dealt with X situation before, and here's what I did...&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-11T13:23:21.157" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="83" PostId="17" Score="0" Text="+1 - No shaking hands for sure. Too cheesy." CreationDate="2012-04-12T05:28:34.083" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="847" PostId="17" Score="0" Text="http://haha-business.com/business.jpg You sure we can't use this as logo and tagline?" CreationDate="2012-07-17T07:13:30.657" UserId="865" />
  <row Id="45" PostId="18" Score="4" Text="I wouldn't say we're &quot;allowing&quot; non-IT questions, they're simply a necessary part of our scope." CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:21:11.343" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="8015" PostId="18" Score="1" Text="How about questions about *working* at schools or colleges (as a student employee, administrative staff, teacher, professor, etc)?  In principle these should be in scope, but in practice, there are so many differences between academic and corporate workplaces that I think this site may not have sufficient expertise." CreationDate="2015-12-01T15:00:40.843" UserId="10420" />
  <row Id="14" PostId="20" Score="0" Text="I was more of talking about [tag:work-environment]-type questions (also [tag:colleague]), not on choosing stuff. Like &quot;how should I deal with a bully&quot;, etc. [This question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/138/how-can-i-ask-for-more-positive-reinforcement) applies to students as well, but the answer would be different." CreationDate="2012-04-11T04:35:10.063" UserId="135" />
  <row Id="18" PostId="25" Score="4" Text="I'm in Canada and I have a GPA. I think a tag like `gpa` would be much more representative than `usa`, `canada`, `india`, etc." CreationDate="2012-04-11T12:32:11.857" UserId="46" />
  <row Id="23" PostId="25" Score="2" Text="I think that a `gpa` tag would itself be a little too localised. The fact is, if we had country tags, we could still tag as both `usa` and `canada`, plus people from other countries which use an American style education system could add their own countries tags, even if the original poster didn't realise that *madeupistan* used a similar grading system." CreationDate="2012-04-11T13:35:21.637" UserId="148" />
  <row Id="70" PostId="25" Score="3" Text="@MarkBooth adding tags is the problem; we only get 5 and they should *actually relate to the problem*. We can't tag every possible location where a question might apply, at best one or two country tags would work." CreationDate="2012-04-11T22:31:23.170" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="90" PostId="25" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - Good point, but I suspect that if you have enough country tags that you run out of tag slots, you can probably justify the question being general enough to not need a country tag at all." CreationDate="2012-04-12T09:46:55.763" UserId="148" />
  <row Id="99" PostId="25" Score="2" Text="@MarkBooth exactly, which is why I'm against country tags unless the problem explicitly requires a specific locale or excludes all overs" CreationDate="2012-04-12T13:29:10.793" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="25" PostId="26" Score="0" Text="Makes sense. I'll wait a while for the rest of the community to have its say, before accepting, though." CreationDate="2012-04-11T13:37:58.080" UserId="135" />
  <row Id="2436" PostId="26" Score="0" Text="@Manishearth its been a year now, long enough to see what the rest of the community thinks before accepting now?" CreationDate="2013-04-16T13:59:54.677" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="12809" PostId="26" Score="3" Text="There is a spectrum, so &quot;took place at a university&quot; doesn't make it about academia *qua* academia.  I worked as a technical person at a university (twice), and I had the same kinds of workplace questions and answers that I do now when working for a regular company.  Even when I worked with students (infrequently), I did so in the way I work with users, interns, or contractors now.  There are issues that are specific to academia, but it's a smaller set than &quot;all questions involving academia in some way&quot;." CreationDate="2017-07-06T15:26:49.743" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="24" PostId="27" Score="0" Text="Yes, ditto with *any* quasi-legal questions." CreationDate="2012-04-11T13:36:40.933" UserId="148" />
  <row Id="44" PostId="27" Score="0" Text="I generally support this idea, though I think it may be tough in some cases to prove that a question is *actually* geographically limited, except in a few very cut/dry cases such as laws in specific countries/states/cultures." CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:20:13.277" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="130" PostId="27" Score="0" Text="There is a discussion on whether or not [legal questions should be closed as being too localized](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/82/are-questions-of-law-is-x-legal-questions-off-topic)." CreationDate="2012-04-13T06:54:22.683" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="131" PostId="27" Score="0" Text="The country or locale should be included in the details of your question and not in tags. Great questions have lots of detail. Tags are used to identify the topic, not to facilitate localization." CreationDate="2012-04-13T06:56:41.887" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="96" PostId="30" Score="2" Text="Questions about finding work, yes. General questions (about *anything*) no." CreationDate="2012-04-12T10:04:42.373" UserId="142" />
  <row Id="27" PostId="32" Score="0" Text="Since employment law has a lot to do with how workplaces are structured and run, and because as a former supervisor I always advised my employees to know the laws they were operating under, I agree that law questions are absolutely on-topic so long as they are properly scoped, as noted." CreationDate="2012-04-11T14:46:32.363" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="26" PostId="33" Score="1" Text="Don't wait for moderators. They'll be looking at you for guidance... If you think there's something worth salvaging in that question, point it out and / or just edit the question to emphasize it. Otherwise, vote to close it." CreationDate="2012-04-11T14:26:16.800" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="79" PostId="33" Score="0" Text="Keep in mind too that moderators are actually at a disadvantage in that they don't have close votes. It's much easier as a moderator to make a decision to close a question when he/she sees community support in the form of close votes from other community members. This moderation has to come from the community, even once the diamond moderators are appointed." CreationDate="2012-04-12T05:08:15.400" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="121" PostId="33" Score="1" Text="The community needs to decide the line, here on meta. Moderators only enforce." CreationDate="2012-04-12T20:20:29.503" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="28" PostId="34" Score="0" Text="Add your suggestion here (http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/13/what-should-our-faq-contain), and people can vote and comment there. Let's try not to split up that thread, unless there is a serious concern that requires extended vetting and discussion." CreationDate="2012-04-11T15:58:31.310" UserId="153" />
  <row Id="29" PostId="34" Score="0" Text="Sounds good, thanks." CreationDate="2012-04-11T16:04:52.000" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="30" PostId="35" Score="1" Text="Isn't this an old issue?  Don't silly, less serious questions quite often attract more upvotes and answers than more serious ones?" CreationDate="2012-04-11T16:30:15.853" UserId="30" />
  <row Id="35" PostId="35" Score="3" Text="Yes they do, @Adam, but these aren't necessarily &quot;light&quot; or joke questions - the topics are serious enough - but rather, vague enough to both appeal to a lot of people without necessarily appealing to them for the same reason. Consider that gossip question: the asker didn't describe a specific scenario, or even let on why he was having a problem - other than suggesting that whatever method he was using to deal with the problem was instead making it worse. This leaves each reader - and answerer - to substitute their own experiences and prejudices, and respond to those." CreationDate="2012-04-11T17:35:18.530" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="41" PostId="35" Score="2" Text="I think closing is a very important first step...questions here get answers very quickly right now and it's very hard (and rude) to then rescope the question after multiple answers are already there. I'm not seeing much closing going on." CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:12:18.500" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="49" PostId="35" Score="3" Text="Great question. Having been involved in a few Betas now, I see this *every time* at the start and then people start asking questions like this and gradually the quality improves. It will take a lot of hard work at the start, though." CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:38:00.963" UserId="91" />
  <row Id="68" PostId="35" Score="0" Text="I've edited [my question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/52/can-i-trust-employers-that-make-the-first-move) so hopefully it's a bit more narrow and answerable without totally changing it." CreationDate="2012-04-11T21:24:49.133" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="32" PostId="38" Score="0" Text="I agree, a question about the job market in Canada would warrant a `canada` tag." CreationDate="2012-04-11T17:05:37.227" UserId="46" />
  <row Id="38" PostId="38" Score="0" Text="The main use case for tags is to allow you to highlight things which might be of interest and de-prioritise things which are not of interest, so filtering is it's *primary function*. A question which is about GPA *is* inherently confined to the geographical locality where that grading mechanism is used, i.e. the USA and Canada. The question *Should I put my O-level results on my CV?* would be just as irrelevant to people in North America as one about GPA is to someone in the UK." CreationDate="2012-04-11T17:41:04.020" UserId="148" />
  <row Id="42" PostId="38" Score="0" Text="No, the primary function of tags are to label the *content* of questions, so as to more efficiently direct them to relevant experts. The fact that you can filter on tags is a useful outcome of that, but it's not the main reason tags exist. Filtering out GPA questions (say, with a `gpa` tag) would be much more effective than any geographic tag anyway - again tagging the concept, not the geographic location where that concept occurs. Just because a particular concept only exists in certain places *today* doesn't mean that the concept itself is somehow tied to geography." CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:14:20.370" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="88" PostId="38" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry, but *directing questions to appropriate experts* is implemented by *allowing experts to filter by things they are expert in*, so what you are saying is that the primary function of tags isn't to *allow content to be filtered*, but to *allow content to be filtered*!" CreationDate="2012-04-12T09:37:37.087" UserId="148" />
  <row Id="115" PostId="38" Score="0" Text="The directing happens whether or not you use filters, automatically, by the system's ability to learn what questions you tend to read/respond to. Adding filters helps the system know how to direct questions more efficiently, but are not required by any means. My main point here is really about how I feel the country tag, in the GPA case, would be considered a meta tag. Beside that point, do you really want to filter out every question from a particular country? Also, if you feel a given tag needs to be added, you can always edit the question, with enough rep, so that part of it is a non-issue." CreationDate="2012-04-12T16:36:27.613" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="116" PostId="38" Score="0" Text="Or, I should say, it will happen automatically when an &quot;interesting&quot; view is added, similar to the one that exists on StackOverflow." CreationDate="2012-04-12T16:37:19.267" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="37" PostId="40" Score="1" Text="This makes sense, and I apologize for writing a couple tag wikis in the wrong format. Although I would point out that this is different than other sites handle tags. E.g., some of the top tags from StackOverflow (say c#, java, android or python) are basically just descriptions and have little to do with what the tag means to the community. I would not consider c# a &quot;highly specialized&quot; tag, yet its wiki pretty much &quot;generically defines the concept.&quot; I like the points made in Improved Tagging, but some popular examples don't follow that." CreationDate="2012-04-11T17:39:04.797" UserId="109" />
  <row Id="43" PostId="40" Score="1" Text="@root45 lots of sites have this problem, but that doesn't mean we should let it settle in on this site, especially since almost all of our tags are common knowledge regardless of profession. Explaining when to use the tag is more important" CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:16:23.993" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="31" PostId="41" Score="1" Text="IT specific career questions are off topic on programmers. If they are off topic here as well, then where are they on topic?" CreationDate="2012-04-11T17:02:07.197" UserId="87" />
  <row Id="33" PostId="41" Score="0" Text="The closest match appears to be serverfault.com - specifically built to be a place for IT professionals." CreationDate="2012-04-11T17:15:53.243" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="36" PostId="41" Score="0" Text="They're off topic on serverfault. Per SF's FAQ - &quot;If your question[...]is *not* about...Career, salary, personnel, employment, or formal education...&quot; Part of the reason for the creation of workplace.SE is because such questions as above-linked are off topic on the other sites." CreationDate="2012-04-11T17:37:44.540" UserId="79" />
  <row Id="46" PostId="41" Score="3" Text="I can't agree with this. If it's industry specific, *tag it*. Many problems in the workplace are industry specific (for instance as an IT person I don't deal with my company's Safety Inspector often), that doesn't make them any less workplace related and that doesn't necessarily mean there's a better site to post them on." CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:25:20.130" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="52" PostId="41" Score="0" Text="Do we want to document all the possible career paths for every industry that someone might inquire about, at every level of experience? I get why this can be a place to collect questions that are off topic elsewhere, but I don't see how it's practical to answer every version of that question that can exist. Maybe I'm wrong on this, so I'll happily accept your down votes if you disagree, but I don't see how that particular kind of career advice is useful, practical, or useful to more than the person who asked it." CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:46:44.617" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="81" PostId="41" Score="0" Text="Eventually, we will draw the line. Career questions weren't always off topic on Programmers. They only became off topic after seeing different versions of the same question countless times. Let's accept these for now, and when we see a pattern, we'll close them. Just focus on making sure they're good Q&amp;A questions." CreationDate="2012-04-12T05:15:16.003" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="87" PostId="41" Score="0" Text="If your worry isn't that those questions are off-topic but just that they it's not &quot;practical to answer every version of that question that can exist&quot;, I think we can wait and see. If not too many of those questions get asked, we're fine. If not many get answered, we'll start closing them as not a good fit for the site. If so many get asked and answered that they start overwhelming the other content or otherwise get annoying, we can decide what to do about them then." CreationDate="2012-04-12T06:11:09.790" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="100" PostId="41" Score="0" Text="Alright cool, I can see the wisdom in this." CreationDate="2012-04-12T13:33:34.140" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="34" PostId="44" Score="8" Text="Last two sentences are key: doesn't help to shut these down unless everyone understands *why* they're getting shut down - and what needs to be done to revive them." CreationDate="2012-04-11T17:29:31.783" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="39" PostId="44" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 - Which is why I started this post here.  I try to put out fires that I see.  But the problem I have right now is they are not really off topic and they could easily fall into the ok category.  If we can address them consistantly and effectively from the start we have a better chance of containing them when the flood gates open.  We have had a huge response(at least in my experience) right off the bat.  If this continues to grow when we go public containing these will become a real problem.  I fear losing the site because of poor quality despite popularity." CreationDate="2012-04-11T17:57:33.573" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="65" PostId="44" Score="0" Text="Thanks for reminding about bad subjective questions. They need to be specific rather than generalized one to get into good subjective category." CreationDate="2012-04-11T20:48:02.090" UserId="151" />
  <row Id="40" PostId="45" Score="0" Text="I do not post these to say we need to burn the OP's at the stake... even metaphorically.  That your question is in here just points out how easy it is to meander down the road unintentionally." CreationDate="2012-04-11T17:59:14.973" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="50" PostId="46" Score="1" Text="Possibly related: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/48/job-marketplace-vs-workplace.  I didn't see your question before writing mine." CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:40:59.680" UserId="50" />
  <row Id="51" PostId="48" Score="2" Text="Agreed, the job market is a huge part of what the site is about so far (hiring-process is our biggest tag...). That question wasn't a great fit but not because of this." CreationDate="2012-04-11T18:41:55.497" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="55" PostId="49" Score="0" Text="Both of those revised questions are still bad subjective IMO.  I think that a more localized how do i handle this situation is actually preferable to a how do i handle this broader more generic situation.  At least there is an answer to the more specific one." CreationDate="2012-04-11T19:23:55.447" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="60" PostId="49" Score="1" Text="So, if those revisions are still bad, I'm missing the point here.  If I'm having an issue with gossip in the office or not getting credit where due, can I not get assistance on those topics here?  Are questions about whether or not references are necessary or when to respond to a job offer really any more objective?" CreationDate="2012-04-11T19:42:57.730" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="61" PostId="49" Score="0" Text="On topic questions I see from there:  Is this gossip harassment?  Can I get in trouble for not reporting it?  Questions like these need specific targets.  Read Robert Cartaino's answer I think it sums up precisely why." CreationDate="2012-04-11T19:53:14.193" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="63" PostId="49" Score="3" Text="My answer was developed as a response to Robert's.  There are two goals, as I understand it, of a StackExchange site- 1) Provide answers to questions that are valuable to the asker.  2) Serve as a searchable repository of knowledge that is valuable to the internet.  If I ask a question about whether or not I could get in trouble for not reporting gossip, that satisfies #1 but likely not #2. If I ask a question about strategies on handling gossip in the workplace, then that appears to satisfy both #1 and #2.  This really seems like a softer topic to me - like the parenting site." CreationDate="2012-04-11T20:06:38.683" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="64" PostId="49" Score="0" Text="I see what you are saying.  I disagree but we will see what the community wants to do." CreationDate="2012-04-11T20:09:34.593" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="78" PostId="49" Score="0" Text="I'd rather see questions be too localized than not constructive. Some of those questions are just &quot;What do you feel about X&quot; questions. Too localized questions are easier to tone down than not constructive questions that are missing a lot of detail. I'd prefer to remove details than to have to try and guess what the op's situation is really like." CreationDate="2012-04-12T05:02:09.097" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="77" PostId="50" Score="1" Text="It may be too early to try to narrow the scope. There were many people who were excited about this site starting because there isn't a suitable place anywhere on the network to ask general career questions." CreationDate="2012-04-12T04:44:40.110" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="95" PostId="50" Score="2" Text="'Hard cases make bad law', I don't necessarily follow you all the way from 'this is a bad question' to 'getting a job questions are out of scope'. That would put *everything* related to getting a job out of scope (interviews, cvs, etc.). As jmort says, that may be going a bit too far (especially if it means yet another SE site...)" CreationDate="2012-04-12T10:03:11.923" UserId="142" />
  <row Id="183" PostId="50" Score="0" Text="Can &quot;getting a job&quot; questions be properly handled when tagged as such?" CreationDate="2012-04-16T01:53:08.893" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="113" PostId="51" Score="0" Text="Tag excepts describe why you would use a tag. The full tag wikis are free to later go into much greater detail and are often used to greatly expound on the subject and point out other resources for those interested in the subject. See: http://stackoverflow.com/tags/android/info" CreationDate="2012-04-12T16:33:50.567" UserId="153" />
  <row Id="118" PostId="51" Score="0" Text="@RobertCartaino That makes sense. However, in some places, the exerpt is displayed, while in others, the first so many characters of the tag wiki is displayed. That's ultimately the problem - the tag exerpt should be what's displayed on the post screen and when hovering over the tag." CreationDate="2012-04-12T17:01:07.550" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="53" PostId="52" Score="1" Text="These questions have been (understandably) about *workplace* ettique. Not eating with a knife and fork isn't on topic for the site, is there any *on topic* situation where these are distinct?" CreationDate="2012-04-11T19:14:17.377" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="54" PostId="52" Score="0" Text="There are also tag aliases, if it can't be found to be distinct." CreationDate="2012-04-11T19:20:34.140" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="56" PostId="52" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - actually, I think it is on topic. If you have lunch with your boss but don't know basic etiquette rules, that may count against you. Same as if you don't remember to thank people." CreationDate="2012-04-11T19:24:01.250" UserId="91" />
  <row Id="57" PostId="52" Score="0" Text="In many cases good etiquette is a way of demonstrating professionalism. @Rarity And since we generally take at least one meal during working ours eating etiquette at work could be on topic and not about professionalism." CreationDate="2012-04-11T19:28:54.333" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="58" PostId="52" Score="0" Text="@Chad I don't know if I agree, sounds like the classic &quot;as a programmer&quot; problem on Programmers. &quot;How do I eat lunch... *in the workplace* ?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-11T19:33:24.450" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="59" PostId="52" Score="1" Text="@rarity - I eat lunch at my desk, in the lunch room at work, or at a work function, on an interview... just off the top of my head." CreationDate="2012-04-11T19:38:16.927" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="62" PostId="52" Score="1" Text="@Chad the problem is not that you do it *at work*, but rather *do you need an expert in workplace matters to answer*? It's the same problem Programmers had, they decided that just because a programmer does X at their workplace doesn't make it a Programmers question." CreationDate="2012-04-11T19:58:06.260" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="111" PostId="52" Score="1" Text="@Rarity this SE is designed for that subset of question though specifically.  Questions about the workplace and the things you do that are not really a part of your specific job function." CreationDate="2012-04-12T16:27:45.810" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="167" PostId="52" Score="0" Text="@Chad [Proving a point](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/535)" CreationDate="2012-04-13T21:05:56.187" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="171" PostId="52" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - The addiction is an all the time problem.  I think this question worded differently could have been on topic.  But you had a solution in your question that you did not want to use.  Your problem is you have a caffine addiction you need to kick.  Not you have a caffine addiction because you are forced to drink it at work or that you are not allowed to drink it at work." CreationDate="2012-04-14T16:19:31.143" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="103" PostId="53" Score="0" Text="If someone disagrees I urge them to speak up.. We need to define the community." CreationDate="2012-04-12T15:00:33.843" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="109" PostId="53" Score="1" Text="I'm not the source of your downvote, but I do think question #3 has some _possibility_ of being answerable.  It calls to mind [this answer](http://music.stackexchange.com/a/426/15) to a question asked in obviously a very different setting.  I agree that #2 and #4 call for lists and that #1 and #5 are just &quot;reference&quot; (i.e., Google it or use salary.com) questions." CreationDate="2012-04-12T16:05:38.807" UserId="50" />
  <row Id="110" PostId="53" Score="1" Text="@Andrew - I Debated that myself.  Personally I would not vote to close that one though I would not vote to reopen either if it did get closed.  I think it is pretty borderline.  Depending on how it was asked I could see it falling on either side.  1 and 5 are off topic as well because as you said they are easily referenced elsewhere." CreationDate="2012-04-12T16:23:50.467" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="119" PostId="53" Score="1" Text="I downvoted, apologies for not explaining (I *hate* it when that happens :) ). I downvoted because the answer did not sufficiently (for me) explain why these questions would not fit. I expected more detail, possible per question. To take just the first question, what makes it **bad** subjective? Is it really a *list* question (seems like a pretty limited list to me)? Where could it be better found?" CreationDate="2012-04-12T19:18:34.817" UserId="91" />
  <row Id="120" PostId="53" Score="1" Text="@Wikis Meta is different from the regular site.  Down votes mean you do not agree not that the answer is not good enough.  If you disagree or just want a better answer feel free to write it.  I have considered itemizing but doing so really sounds like beating up the OP with each version" CreationDate="2012-04-12T19:43:52.900" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="105" PostId="54" Score="2" Text="The key to the bad subjective here is *Could you share your experience?* you are asking for a list of anecdotes.  That is going to be off topic on all SE's. 	&#xA;However *My chair at work is causing back pain. What should i look for in a work chair to alleviate this? * would be on topic I believe." CreationDate="2012-04-12T15:17:06.430" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="66" PostId="55" Score="0" Text="Would you mind suggesting a tag wiki excerpt for etiquette that you feel captures *office* etiquette then?" CreationDate="2012-04-11T20:54:11.137" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="67" PostId="55" Score="0" Text="@Rarity I added some suggestions to the answer - feel free to critique/steal/change" CreationDate="2012-04-11T21:10:29.540" UserId="36" />
  <row Id="117" PostId="55" Score="1" Text="+1 This sounds correct and reasonable. I first added the 'etiquette' tag to mean, essentially, *office* etiquette to denote how you work with others in your workplace. The word 'professionalism' sounds more like how you conduct yourself outwardly in the execution of your profession and dealing with clients and the general public." CreationDate="2012-04-12T16:41:31.547" UserId="153" />
  <row Id="69" PostId="57" Score="0" Text="[Country codes](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code) would work well. Full names are problematic, especially for USA, UAE ect." CreationDate="2012-04-11T22:27:17.357" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="76" PostId="57" Score="2" Text="What is the purpose of the country codes? When we ask questions on Programmers about development methods, we don't limit the scope to countries. What I'm getting at is: Do we really need these localization tags?" CreationDate="2012-04-12T04:42:30.427" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="94" PostId="57" Score="0" Text="@jmort253, make your case [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/25/should-we-have-country-specific-tags), quickly! :)" CreationDate="2012-04-12T09:59:11.577" UserId="142" />
  <row Id="101" PostId="57" Score="0" Text="@Benjol - Decisions can be reversed. It's only been 24 hours. there are examples of reversed decisions that occurred on SO years after the site's public launch. In other words, just because we use country tags today doesn't mean we have to keep using them tomorrow, a week from now, or a year from now. So I think my case still stands. :)  This is the quickest moving beta I've participated in yet though, I must say." CreationDate="2012-04-12T14:24:31.287" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="127" PostId="57" Score="1" Text="@jmort253, lol, I now notice that you HAD made your case, and I'd even commented on it :)" CreationDate="2012-04-13T06:36:18.270" UserId="142" />
  <row Id="71" PostId="58" Score="4" Text="Programmers made their diagram because they had pretty hardcore scope issues; I'm not convinced we need that yet, I'd rather keep the FAQ simple until problems arise." CreationDate="2012-04-11T22:34:03.183" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="72" PostId="58" Score="0" Text="Actually... I just created it because people didn't seem to get it.  Its not far-fetched to see that happening here, since it's already starting to." CreationDate="2012-04-11T22:40:18.527" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="73" PostId="58" Score="0" Text="There's some personal productivity stuff I've seen around, but I'm not sure it's totally off topic." CreationDate="2012-04-11T23:02:22.923" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="108" PostId="58" Score="1" Text="I have to admit that I've gotten really wary when the Venn diagram gets trotted out on P.SE because (in probably _only_ my opinion) it seems to get misused.  I don't think we need this diagram, and I don't think it adds any clarity here." CreationDate="2012-04-12T16:00:05.910" UserId="50" />
  <row Id="114" PostId="58" Score="0" Text="How about replacing professional setting with things you do at work.  And Specific jobs with Specific job functions.  I think that is a better representation." CreationDate="2012-04-12T16:34:11.590" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="341" PostId="58" Score="1" Text="Trust me, the Venn diagram of Programmers.SE creates more confusion to many people than it solves it. Yes, it is very crystal clear - but it has not stopped so many questions still being closed." CreationDate="2012-04-20T16:04:21.500" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="342" PostId="58" Score="0" Text="If you really want to make a crisp site definition - make exclude the list of subjects and explicit nature of questions that are on-topic off-topic. Make a long list of good (and bad) example questions." CreationDate="2012-04-20T16:05:35.023" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="361" PostId="58" Score="0" Text="I think you should just get rid of the computers part all together. And Professional Setting should be a _subset_ of specific jobs." CreationDate="2012-04-21T00:18:39.137" UserId="108" />
  <row Id="680" PostId="58" Score="0" Text="Perhaps I'm confused, but I guess you 're just trying to say questions that apply in some way to  &quot;professional settings, but not a specific job&quot; is the scope of this exchange.  If so, I don't agree." CreationDate="2012-05-15T17:20:13.637" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="2204" PostId="58" Score="0" Text="To me 'professional' means someone licensed by the government and accountable to some sort of reviewing authority.  This excludes about 90% of the participants here." CreationDate="2013-03-12T19:49:48.697" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="112" PostId="59" Score="0" Text="Love the chart." CreationDate="2012-04-12T16:31:47.197" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="74" PostId="61" Score="0" Text="No, the &quot;All people who use computers&quot; is meant to show that it's an intersection, and doesn't necessarily mean on *or* off topic.  It was a response to a question about chair recommendations, which applies to professional workers but is not *specific* to professional workers.  Thanks for your feedback." CreationDate="2012-04-12T00:04:47.950" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="93" PostId="61" Score="0" Text="@NickC, so computer recommendations would be on topic? I don't understand the red circle either, sorry." CreationDate="2012-04-12T09:58:28.560" UserId="142" />
  <row Id="107" PostId="61" Score="0" Text="@Benjol I'll have to fix it. The *blue* area is the only on-topic area.  So questions about office equipment are only on-topic if they are specific to the workplace (such as how do I talk to my boss about needing new equipment)." CreationDate="2012-04-12T15:42:52.643" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="80" PostId="62" Score="0" Text="I've heard &quot;professional setting&quot; used to define offices a lot. Although an automotive shop is also a professional environment, the rules are just so different. For instance, mechanics can talk about sex, they can curse, they can make inappropriate jokes, and say things that most of us would never dream of saying in an office. When editing the tag wiki, we should include a list of appropriate questions as well as include some definitions." CreationDate="2012-04-12T05:12:55.973" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="82" PostId="62" Score="0" Text="I don't know if you should ask this as a separate question or not, but here is [Wikipedia's definition of professional](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional): `a person who is paid to undertake a specialised set of tasks and to complete them for a fee. The traditional professions were doctors, lawyers, clergymen and commissioned military officers. Today, the term is applied to architects, accountants, educators, engineers, scientists, social workers and many more.`. Also, check out the section on trades." CreationDate="2012-04-12T05:17:58.603" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="84" PostId="62" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 - So basically it's one of those terms that used to mean something specific but it's unclear whether it does nowadays, and if so, what... And I get the feeling we won't be getting a lot of commissioned military officers. ;)  And, for the record, I work in a biology lab at a non-profit research institution, and we do curse and make inappropriate jokes. ;)" CreationDate="2012-04-12T05:30:21.433" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="85" PostId="62" Score="0" Text="I like going by the Wikipedia definition. It's easier to reference and support than something that we just simply hear out of context only." CreationDate="2012-04-12T05:39:24.303" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="86" PostId="62" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - The definition including &quot;and many more&quot; which you quoted here still feels unclear to me... The &quot;Definition&quot; section of the wikipedia entry seems to mostly focus on &quot;how to *act* professionally&quot; rather than &quot;what defines a profession&quot;. The *&quot;a professional does mainly mental or administrative work, as opposed to engaging in physical work&quot;* part of the Trades section is at least a clear definition - is that a reasonable reflection of what the term means to most people?" CreationDate="2012-04-12T05:47:42.067" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="89" PostId="65" Score="1" Text="The alternative to not tagging a localised question as country specific is to close the question as *too localised*, which could result in perfectly acceptable, though geographically limited, questions being closed." CreationDate="2012-04-12T09:41:48.750" UserId="148" />
  <row Id="91" PostId="65" Score="0" Text="I'm inclined to agree. In many cases, the OP may not even be aware that their question is too localised." CreationDate="2012-04-12T09:50:50.253" UserId="142" />
  <row Id="102" PostId="65" Score="0" Text="@MarkBooth - Not every question needs to apply to everyone. Closing as too localized is reserved for those special cases where the audience is specifically too limited. Talking about a specific country doesn't always mean too localized. Questions about my little one horse town in the middle of nowhere or on the Moon would be too localized. In summary, tagging isn't going to make a poor Q&amp;A question a great one. The questions need to stand on their own *without tags*. Tags are meant for grouping, not an excuse to not close a bad question." CreationDate="2012-04-12T14:27:49.787" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="128" PostId="67" Score="0" Text="This reiterates the same point I was making. Well said. &quot;Having country tags is just going to encourage localised questions.&quot;  +1" CreationDate="2012-04-13T06:39:27.710" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="129" PostId="68" Score="0" Text="The problem is that country tags are too general. If every question could be tagged with a country tag, then that tag is a meta tag. It tells me nothing about the actual content of the question. Instead, when asking a question, the op should include their country in the actual details of the question. Writing good questions is about including lots of specific details about ***your specific problem***, and that has nothing to do with tags." CreationDate="2012-04-13T06:45:17.610" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="139" PostId="68" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 - True, but country tags also allow people to selectively filter legal questions a tag such as `legal` without a country context doesn't provide much use as a tag. In that case, `legal-united-states` maybe an acceptable middle ground but you are going to have a tag explosion. Thus, `legal` and `united-states` as tags cleans things up quite a bit." CreationDate="2012-04-13T13:04:21.887" UserId="35" />
  <row Id="141" PostId="68" Score="0" Text="There is a discussion currently on whether or not [legal questions should be off topic](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/82/are-questions-of-law-is-x-legal-questions-off-topic)." CreationDate="2012-04-13T14:41:16.753" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="142" PostId="68" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - Yes, I just noticed that and I'm responding over on that thread; however, another example would be cultural differences in terms of how a workplace is run. What you do in a country like Japan is much different than India or the United States." CreationDate="2012-04-13T14:54:38.600" UserId="35" />
  <row Id="155" PostId="68" Score="0" Text="You could also make that same argument about individual companies in the United States, even in the same cities. The culture where I work might be vastly different than the culture somewhere else in my city in the same industry. Where do we draw the line, and how do we know we're not ruling out any overlapping concepts that would apply globally?" CreationDate="2012-04-13T19:31:01.157" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="160" PostId="68" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - In some cases we may not until we see the question and the context it appears in. Likewise, I could see some questions that would be relevant to major metropolitan areas (e.g. New York, London, Tokyo, etc)." CreationDate="2012-04-13T20:01:21.590" UserId="35" />
  <row Id="162" PostId="68" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure exclusionary questions limited to a particular geographic area are within the goals of what StackExchange stands for. I can see your point and believe it is a thin line, but I don't think tags are going to help improve the quality of the questions." CreationDate="2012-04-13T20:25:01.680" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="186" PostId="71" Score="0" Text="IMHO you can't really separate the issues because little cost effectiveness with significant loss of productivity makes it useless so if the data does exist it will be a combined study." CreationDate="2012-04-16T14:41:01.243" UserId="83" />
  <row Id="144" PostId="72" Score="8" Text="I guess by the same token: Answers are not for comments or clarification questions. :)" CreationDate="2012-04-13T15:21:43.027" UserId="83" />
  <row Id="8298" PostId="72" Score="4" Text="The comment deleting is much higher here than any other stack site, it seems excessive.  Sometimes valuable perspectives and ideas are routinely lost." CreationDate="2016-02-03T15:27:33.437" UserId="668" />
  <row Id="8299" PostId="72" Score="4" Text="@MarkRogers If the perspective is valuable, it should be editing into the answer. One of the foundational ideas that separated SE from discussion forums is that the best information and *ah-ha* moments aren't supposed to be buried at the bottom of page 11." CreationDate="2016-02-03T15:35:32.847" UserId="153" />
  <row Id="8300" PostId="72" Score="3" Text="Not everyone wants to commit to a full answer on every question, only some people have the content and time to format and defend a full answer.  Simply because some information has not been worked into a full answer, doesn't mean its not valuable or useful to readers.  And simply deleting all comments is an oversimplified solution to a complex problem.  Sure the old signal-to-noise line can be used to justify almost anything really, but that doesn't mean the network and all its user are aided by heavy comment deletion." CreationDate="2016-02-03T15:43:26.053" UserId="668" />
  <row Id="8301" PostId="72" Score="1" Text="@MarkRogers And what if that *&quot;I don't have time to defend answer&quot;* is wrong? Comments aren't ranked for correctness. They cannot be down-voted if they are wrong, or edited to correct that.  And when new users see &quot;answers&quot; posted prominently right there below the question, we're teaching them to do the same same, and soon questions start going unanswered when the issue looks pretty much resolved... in comments. Bottom line, comments aren't answers; answers are answers." CreationDate="2016-02-03T15:49:13.837" UserId="153" />
  <row Id="8302" PostId="72" Score="0" Text="@RobertCartaino - While I disagree, thanks for taking the time to respond with well considered answers." CreationDate="2016-02-03T15:51:31.887" UserId="668" />
  <row Id="8303" PostId="72" Score="1" Text="@MarkRogers Thanks for raising the issue. It *is* complicated, and good information *does* gets lost. We simply feel the **bigger problem** to solve is assuring the proper vetting of information posted on the Internet; *that* over simply giving people more places to type. Cheers." CreationDate="2016-02-03T15:55:50.553" UserId="153" />
  <row Id="14588" PostId="72" Score="2" Text="It would be helpful if you could clarify whether comments should be used to explain downvotes, as they are on other sites. I’m asking because comments explaining downvotes are routinely deleted on this site (and *only* on this site), which is quite annoying (see e.g. https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5029/14546). In fact, downvoting triggers the usual popup (“Please consider adding a comment…”) but given the practice it appears misleading." CreationDate="2018-01-26T18:47:04.653" UserId="14546" />
  <row Id="14616" PostId="72" Score="2" Text="So, when will this chatter be moved to chat? ;)" CreationDate="2018-01-30T06:58:23.660" UserId="5883" />
  <row Id="23447" PostId="72" Score="0" Text="Related MetaSE Post: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19756/how-do-comments-work" CreationDate="2022-10-19T02:29:48.137" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="123" PostId="78" Score="0" Text="Yeah, the tardiness question was more because I was assuming a solution to help the first question you point out." CreationDate="2012-04-13T01:19:15.287" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="122" PostId="80" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I follow the workaround." CreationDate="2012-04-13T01:16:40.200" UserId="130" />
  <row Id="126" PostId="81" Score="5" Text="@YannisRizos and conversely questions that can be (correctly and completely) answered with such things aren't usually good questions :-)" CreationDate="2012-04-13T05:10:35.417" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="140" PostId="81" Score="7" Text="Questions are converted into comments when the author is using the answering feature incorrectly. Answers should not be converted into comments on the *sole* premise that they are short. If those short posts are not good or complete answers, they should be down-voted, not converted." CreationDate="2012-04-13T13:28:24.923" UserId="153" />
  <row Id="143" PostId="81" Score="2" Text="If a link really is the &quot;answer&quot;, explain why the link is the answer and give the relevant snippet of information from the link." CreationDate="2012-04-13T15:16:51.207" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2599" PostId="81" Score="7" Text="Just realized the irony factor in this &quot;answer.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-05-17T17:51:49.587" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2615" PostId="81" Score="1" Text="I have to agree with the disagreement of that bullet point. I find myself often putting answers in comments when I don't have time to sit down and write out a full answer or am not sure if it really would be the answer or not. I would rather the content exist in a comment to help both the OP and other answers, than not post it at all. And sometimes, I even come back later and convert the comment into a full answer." CreationDate="2013-05-21T14:28:52.193" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="161" PostId="82" Score="1" Text="Hmm...what about the questions where the answer turns out to be legally based? [This answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/281/42) is a prime example" CreationDate="2012-04-13T20:20:02.187" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="163" PostId="82" Score="0" Text="@Rarity definitely a gray area - on SF we sometimes answer with &quot;and that's not legal where I am so you might want to be careful&quot;, but that doesn't make the question a law/legal advice question.  IMHO that question is fine because the legal bits in the answer are &quot;extra info&quot; and the question itself isn't asking for legal advice/opinions. Someone who knows a bit about the law is telling the asker to make sure whatever they do is kosher." CreationDate="2012-04-13T20:46:06.687" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="164" PostId="82" Score="1" Text="I agree; I think as long as the essence of the question isn't legal it's fine. Legal questions tend to be impossible to answer anyway, often requiring lawyers or even court rulings to actually answer." CreationDate="2012-04-13T20:50:08.890" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="178" PostId="83" Score="0" Text="This is incorrect. Sites have been able to start their blogs before they were out of beta. http://stackexchange.com/blogs" CreationDate="2012-04-15T18:35:42.937" UserId="153" />
  <row Id="179" PostId="83" Score="0" Text="I agree with waiting until we're out of private beta for sure, but public beta sites can and do certainly have had blogs." CreationDate="2012-04-15T18:50:47.863" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="180" PostId="83" Score="0" Text="@RobertCartaino: That's why I said _usually_. ;-)" CreationDate="2012-04-15T20:30:54.543" UserId="108" />
  <row Id="181" PostId="83" Score="0" Text="@Jae Then I guess I can say that the blogs *usually have to be written by males*, but since it has **nothing** to do with the criteria, that would be wrong." CreationDate="2012-04-15T20:49:54.863" UserId="153" />
  <row Id="182" PostId="83" Score="0" Text="@RobertCartaino: But my statement is true: most sites with blogs are out of beta, hence my statement." CreationDate="2012-04-15T22:45:29.743" UserId="108" />
  <row Id="132" PostId="84" Score="1" Text="It's also probably fair to say that most people on here are not legal experts in any case." CreationDate="2012-04-13T07:47:57.103" UserId="96" />
  <row Id="133" PostId="84" Score="1" Text="@JohnN - Exactly. None of us are qualified to provide accurate information on these issues. In fact, even real lawyers would be wary of posting legal advice due to the legal restrictions on professional positions. A real lawyer could be liable for damages if she posted legal advice that got someone in trouble later." CreationDate="2012-04-13T08:03:08.443" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="134" PostId="84" Score="0" Text="This is also true. All the more reason that these are off-topic, I would think." CreationDate="2012-04-13T08:32:39.467" UserId="96" />
  <row Id="154" PostId="84" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 not unless the attorney had offered to act as the attorney for the OP.  You need to understand how the professional obligation works before you post this urban myth.  The question was OT because it was purely a legal question.  That does not mean that all questions that touch on legality are off topic." CreationDate="2012-04-13T18:35:41.957" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="156" PostId="84" Score="0" Text="@chad - If an attorney looks for work on a Q&amp;A site, I'd seriously suggest looking into that person's credentials, background, and track record, as I'd imagine most reputable attorneys don't find their clients by soliciting on StackExchange. Furthermore, if the attorney agrees to help the OP, that in no way suggests that *any of that advice can be considered binding for anyone else except a person who has signed an agreement with the attorney. Also, it's not a myth. If you're a professional with a license, at least in the US, and you give someone bad professional advice, you're at fault." CreationDate="2012-04-13T19:36:48.573" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="157" PostId="84" Score="0" Text="@Chad - `That does not mean that all questions that touch on legality are off topic`. I can see your point here, but the problem is how do you avoid making the question not be too localized? How can one word the question so that it is `generally applicable to the worldwide audience of the internet.`? Now, that quote came from SO's FAQ. It's not in this [FAQ](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/faq), so if you can successfully make the case that this site is not intended for the worldwide audience of the Internet, then that may make the too localized aspect invalid. Good luck! :)" CreationDate="2012-04-13T19:43:03.013" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="158" PostId="84" Score="3" Text="@Jmort - Check out https://www.lawpivot.com/ - There are other sites just like this.  Its basically a ripoff of SE for Legal questions run by lawyers - Find me a law that backs up your claim *you give someone bad professional advice, you're at fault* it does not exist." CreationDate="2012-04-13T19:47:02.633" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="159" PostId="84" Score="0" Text="@Chad - Ok, will do. Thanks for the link." CreationDate="2012-04-13T19:47:37.083" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="642" PostId="84" Score="0" Text="Questions of the form 'Is X legal' are not really workplace questions at all. They are legal questions and should be asked in forum set up for legal questions.&#xA;&#xA;That's not to say that many legitimate workplace related can't have a legal component, many do.  But we shouldn't go too far in that direction.&#xA;&#xA;It's certainly possible in the US for a lawyer to answer general questions about the law, but such a forum needs to be set up with an appropriate format and terms of service to ensure that no user thinks he or she is getting personal legal advice.  This isn't that place." CreationDate="2012-05-08T22:43:04.420" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="135" PostId="85" Score="0" Text="This makes a lot of sense, but the reason OP wanted to delete his question is because people continued to downvote it, even well after it was closed. Leaving a question around as an example is fine but it seems unfair to require the asker to continue to slowly lose rep because of it." CreationDate="2012-04-13T11:12:45.417" UserId="109" />
  <row Id="398" PostId="87" Score="2" Text="I wish I could upvote this more. The point about people and interactions between them is extremely important, and you're right, that makes this site different from the technology-oriented sites by definition." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:15:34.727" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="630" PostId="87" Score="1" Text="Very insightful comment." CreationDate="2012-05-07T17:30:41.797" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="145" PostId="88" Score="0" Text="The problem I see with all law questions is many people don't specify their jurisdiction (and even saying &quot;I'm in the US&quot; doesn't help with state-to-state differences and the possibility of your little village having passed some obscure code).  When you get down to that level of detail the question is too localized ; if you *don't* get to that level of detail your advice may well be wrong.  Catch-22..." CreationDate="2012-04-13T15:34:48.573" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="147" PostId="88" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 - The assumption is that they would say where they are which relates to the question on country tags." CreationDate="2012-04-13T15:57:27.050" UserId="35" />
  <row Id="602" PostId="88" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 Nonsense. A question is not too localized just because it's only applicable to a particular country or region. Even in the United States, little villages don't routinely pass labor laws. Please read [What questions should be closed with reason “too localized”?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4818/what-questions-should-be-closed-with-reason-too-localized/87415#87415) If someone doesn't specify their jurisdiction when they should, close as NaRQ (too vague)." CreationDate="2012-05-02T00:08:48.253" UserId="208" />
  <row Id="604" PostId="88" Score="0" Text="@Gilles I honestly don't see &quot;legal questions that are too localized&quot; being a big problem - I was (and am) more concerned about people seeking/offering legal advice on anything but the most obvious cases." CreationDate="2012-05-02T04:47:37.253" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="146" PostId="89" Score="3" Text="It seems this site should be a great resource for first time employees, I don't see any reason to exclude them particularly. It's a matter of navigating the professional setting." CreationDate="2012-04-13T15:46:38.527" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="152" PostId="89" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos [what have I done!](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not)" CreationDate="2012-04-13T18:02:27.400" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="148" PostId="91" Score="0" Text="We can always vote to close our own questions with enough rep, I think we get a reopen vote too. You can vote to close your own questions earlier than other questions" CreationDate="2012-04-13T16:08:43.967" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="149" PostId="91" Score="0" Text="@Rarity And does it make sense given potential bias?" CreationDate="2012-04-13T16:52:24.390" UserId="83" />
  <row Id="151" PostId="91" Score="4" Text="Yeah, it's hard to abuse the system to close your own question, and you only get one reopen vote. It's a good way to let people know you think the question is worthy of being opened again, but it requires 4 others to agree, just like any other question." CreationDate="2012-04-13T18:01:47.353" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="153" PostId="91" Score="0" Text="@Rarity Point taken but where there is 4 there might as well be 5 wouldn't you agree?  Besides I don't know if anyone except Mods even know that who cast the votes." CreationDate="2012-04-13T18:05:04.650" UserId="83" />
  <row Id="166" PostId="91" Score="0" Text="It appears this is [officially by design](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/13463/why-can-you-vote-to-reopen-your-own-question) and has been for quite a while. It also appears SE won't let me post that as an answer." CreationDate="2012-04-13T20:57:29.630" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="165" PostId="93" Score="0" Text="I'm not saying any question that touches on law/contracts/etc. should be considered off topic.  Taking your example of wording in a contract, questions about the **legal implications** (like liability) should IMHO be referred to a qualified attorney.  Conversely questions like &quot;My new contract includes this clause -- anyone else seen this kind of thing from an employer before?&quot; are fine, though the answer may well be wind up being &quot;Never seen that, looks fishy, you should talk to a lawyer before you sign!&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-13T20:55:51.073" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="168" PostId="93" Score="1" Text="@Vortaq7 - I agree that most of the legal questions will probably be off topic.  But I can see some instances where it is not.  I do not have a problem with you need a lawyer as an answer to a question that has not been answered for a few days.  But we may have someone that has been in the situation and can offer good advice." CreationDate="2012-04-13T21:09:24.060" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="169" PostId="96" Score="0" Text="....it does that? I've never gotten a notification of any sort for that." CreationDate="2012-04-14T13:20:37.443" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="172" PostId="96" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I don't think it is working on Sci-Fi either." CreationDate="2012-04-14T16:32:31.330" UserId="91" />
  <row Id="173" PostId="96" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - SO definitely does it, I got one just a couple of days ago - it's a bar across the top of the screen with just the notification and a link to favorites, similar to the notification when you get a new badge or privilege. Maybe there's some preference to turn it on somewhere, but if so, I can't find it..." CreationDate="2012-04-14T18:46:38.773" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="198" PostId="96" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos I haven't found it annoying so far, and I like getting it, but perhaps it's because it only happens intermittently, as Anna Lear said.  It's possible that it'd end up showing up too often if it really worked. Hard to tell." CreationDate="2012-04-17T05:30:07.473" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="174" PostId="97" Score="0" Text="Good to know, thanks!  Any idea if there are plans to make it less intermittent in the future, or is that going to be the permanent state of the feature for a while?" CreationDate="2012-04-15T03:33:40.727" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="175" PostId="97" Score="0" Text="@weronika I'll have to ask around and see what the intended state of it is." CreationDate="2012-04-15T03:44:38.250" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="609" PostId="98" Score="0" Text="To respond to the &quot;where there is 4 there might as well be 5&quot; I would add that 1 reopen vote is very different than 0." CreationDate="2012-05-02T16:54:45.597" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="190" PostId="102" Score="0" Text="I would note that the question here is also too broad as asked for meaningful answers.  Had that not been the case I might have been more willing to let it go.  But as soon as you make it answerable it becomes off topic or too localized." CreationDate="2012-04-16T15:26:59.843" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="188" PostId="103" Score="1" Text="I am thinking the What reading/classes/seminars should I use to increase my sales numbers? is more on topic than how do i sell my product questions." CreationDate="2012-04-16T15:24:06.213" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4288" PostId="103" Score="0" Text="Chad, what you are suggesting would be too opinion based and be better for [discourse](http://try.discourse.org/). This question is a decent question overall as it has a specific enough question to not be overly opinion based, address a need and be assistance to professionals at their field." CreationDate="2014-03-28T12:57:10.203" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="184" PostId="104" Score="1" Text="Fairly simple and professional IMO, more like [UX.SE] than [RPG.SE] but I don't have specific ideas right now" CreationDate="2012-04-16T11:51:40.427" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="191" PostId="104" Score="9" Text="Anyone else thinking Dilbert meets XKCD?" CreationDate="2012-04-16T16:49:03.330" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="192" PostId="104" Score="0" Text="@Chad I also thought Dilbert but couldn't think of how to incorporate it stylisticly" CreationDate="2012-04-16T16:53:17.880" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="194" PostId="104" Score="0" Text="I have been chucking over the though of stiky-hair boss :p" CreationDate="2012-04-16T16:55:05.367" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="196" PostId="104" Score="1" Text="While the bulk of our questions, at least in the beginning, will be focused on the IT world and Cubicle-land, we shouldn't design the site to obviously exclude other, non-office, non-IT workplaces." CreationDate="2012-04-16T20:36:00.100" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="197" PostId="104" Score="1" Text="@JacobG in the West &quot;work&quot;, especially &quot;professional&quot; work simply evokes the office-based work environment of carpeted walls, sticky notes and binders. In addition, less-office oriented work related items tend to veer far too job-specific. Oil cans, plungers and medical lasers all mean work to some people, but not 99% of people." CreationDate="2012-04-16T21:14:29.397" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="477" PostId="104" Score="0" Text="@Chad I was thinking of plagiarizing Office Space. :)  &quot;Work Sucks.&quot; :)" CreationDate="2012-04-26T18:40:18.123" UserId="83" />
  <row Id="480" PostId="104" Score="0" Text="@Karlson I think gold badges should be red staplers :)" CreationDate="2012-04-26T19:48:37.280" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="481" PostId="104" Score="0" Text="@Chad I'll second that. :)  That would be really cool.  Black Staplers, White Staplers , and Red Staplers for the Badges!" CreationDate="2012-04-26T19:52:55.850" UserId="83" />
  <row Id="185" PostId="105" Score="0" Text="Yeah, the question had multiple problems, but as asked I felt it wasn't on topic either. If those &quot;unknowns&quot; you mentioned were addressed it becomes even more job-function specific." CreationDate="2012-04-16T14:38:29.467" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="187" PostId="105" Score="0" Text="I can totally see that happening, too." CreationDate="2012-04-16T14:45:32.970" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="193" PostId="106" Score="1" Text="This question is very much &quot;How can I get my customers to buy stuff?&quot;  Just focused on the low pressure side." CreationDate="2012-04-16T16:53:24.213" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="195" PostId="110" Score="11" Text="I'll upvote this if someone delivers me coffee every time I earn a badge." CreationDate="2012-04-16T18:22:12.147" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="199" PostId="111" Score="0" Text="I think a watercooler icon would be perfect." CreationDate="2012-04-17T13:27:00.663" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="200" PostId="111" Score="7" Text="The Watercooler really should be our Chatroom name" CreationDate="2012-04-17T15:01:33.337" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="509" PostId="111" Score="0" Text="Problem is it's a busy item for a background image. Possibly as a part of an icon or logo though." CreationDate="2012-04-27T21:31:11.107" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="3846" PostId="111" Score="1" Text="And lo and behold, ['tis done](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2331/362)!" CreationDate="2014-02-06T10:20:41.137" UserId="362" />
  <row Id="13357" PostId="111" Score="0" Text="and it came out that this was [true](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler) like that" CreationDate="2017-08-16T23:07:10.483" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="201" PostId="114" Score="0" Text="Flagged for abusing mod powers. I was gonna do that..." CreationDate="2012-04-17T15:47:10.923" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="202" PostId="114" Score="0" Text="@Rarity Next time don't hesitate ;P" CreationDate="2012-04-17T15:48:53.730" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="204" PostId="114" Score="1" Text="I vote we flog you from the yard arm... then keep the name." CreationDate="2012-04-17T16:40:58.830" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="205" PostId="114" Score="0" Text="@rar Not for the main room, chat room tags only make sense for topic oriented chat rooms, not for the general discussion one." CreationDate="2012-04-17T17:14:22.080" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="206" PostId="114" Score="0" Text="That makes sense...but most sites have tags in gen discussion too" CreationDate="2012-04-17T17:16:48.133" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="207" PostId="114" Score="0" Text="@rar  Click the tags on Root Access and The Bridge, they aren't real tags ;P" CreationDate="2012-04-17T17:19:29.467" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="208" PostId="116" Score="0" Text="Agreed, I think it's the most sensible name, and it reflects what chat is to the site (a water cooler discussion)." CreationDate="2012-04-17T17:39:31.757" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="217" PostId="116" Score="0" Text="Absolutely this 100%." CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:47:24.453" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="230" PostId="116" Score="0" Text="I was about to suggest **water cooler**... I think it is the best solution. Or perhaps *Coffee Machine*..." CreationDate="2012-04-18T05:05:46.550" UserId="91" />
  <row Id="347" PostId="116" Score="0" Text="We can call it the Scuttlebutt on Talk Like A Pirate day." CreationDate="2012-04-20T16:15:26.620" UserId="36" />
  <row Id="357" PostId="116" Score="1" Text="@AbbyT.Miller that or the Wat ***arrrrr*** Cooler" CreationDate="2012-04-20T19:40:18.083" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="362" PostId="116" Score="0" Text="@Rarity I'm going to act like you didn't leave that comment and walk away ;-)" CreationDate="2012-04-21T00:27:59.313" UserId="108" />
  <row Id="369" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="Ironic it would be to see one line answers here." CreationDate="2012-04-22T15:45:43.700" UserId="118" />
  <row Id="1079" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="similar discussion at MSO: [Is it okay to post a one-line answer, or would those be better as comments?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/129019/165773)" CreationDate="2012-08-11T14:46:07.070" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1080" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="@gnat I don't think the MSO one is as applicable; with programming it may well be the whole solution is one line, and there's no explaining to do, it's just *right*. Here, even if it is just right it requires some explaining. Can't just type your solution into a Workplace IDE and see if it compiles" CreationDate="2012-08-11T15:27:02.740" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1081" PostId="118" Score="0" Text="@Rarity actually, per [accepted answer there](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/129021/165773) it looks like one-liners aren't welcome even at SO: &quot;Of course, obviously the _better_ answers will generally be longer than one line...&quot; I agree that this is even more true at Workplace. In particular, the way you describe the issue &quot;a lot of very brief, one/two line answers&quot; definitely feels like a problem. I can imagine one-liner being OK as an exceptional case but typically one-liners here are just low quality to me" CreationDate="2012-08-11T18:00:13.340" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="209" PostId="119" Score="1" Text="I find it fairly rare that an answer requiring any form of expertise is only one line long and requires absolutely no elaboration. It might be good advice, but it's almost certainly missing how/why, the meat of the answer that makes it *useful* instead of an opinion." CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:11:48.133" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="212" PostId="119" Score="0" Text="Agreed - one liners generally are too short. My point is that brevity is not what makes them good or bad, it is their completeness." CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:27:42.707" UserId="96" />
  <row Id="214" PostId="119" Score="1" Text="I just find one-liners to be a particularly eye-catching example of poor answer quality/depth/effort. Since we're a site that draws a lot of subjective stuff I don't think there's going to be many cases where a one-liner is actually appropriate, unlike Stack Overflow where the right answer might be &quot;You missed a comma on line 3&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:29:30.420" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="210" PostId="120" Score="1" Text="The asker clearly stated `Are there any general rules other than knowing your own limits?` and then a one liner answer basically states &quot;don't go overboard&quot;, which is effectively the same thing. How does that help at all? It was a well elaborated on question that asks for a lot more than &quot;tell me to not drink&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:19:50.870" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="211" PostId="120" Score="0" Text="I wasn't replying with your example in mind. Indeed I think your example was one of a bad one-liner, which would need some elaboration to be a good answer. Question: Would you regard that example as somewhat which would have been more acceptable as a comment?" CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:24:17.307" UserId="114" />
  <row Id="213" PostId="120" Score="1" Text="It certainly works fine as a comment, but I think it needs to be elaborated on to serve as anything else" CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:27:47.770" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="231" PostId="120" Score="0" Text="Could the downvoters please leave a short comment to explain why they take offense with my answer?" CreationDate="2012-04-18T13:29:50.227" UserId="114" />
  <row Id="278" PostId="120" Score="1" Text="@OweJessen [Voting on Meta is different](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/faq#vote-differences), people just disagree with your answer, nothing to worry about." CreationDate="2012-04-19T15:42:21.257" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="216" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="`If a question can be answered here appropriately in one line then the question should be closed.` I disagree. There are times when it's possible to answer a question in a one-liner. However, if a question is only generating one-liners, that could be indicative of a poor question (but doesn't mean the question is bad). A question needs to be judged on both the quality of the question as well as the potential to generate good answers." CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:45:41.307" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="218" PostId="121" Score="1" Text="@ThomasOwens - The questions here should require detailed answers.  Any question that can be answered **appropriately** with one line is a bad question." CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:48:01.927" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="219" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="The responsibility of creating detail is not on the person asking the question, but the person answering the question. There are many questions here that can be answered in a few words. However, the value is in answers that can either cite references or provide experiences (or, even better, both) to back up that answer." CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:50:39.490" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="220" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="@ThomasOwens - I completely disagree.  We hold both parties to the standard of creating good questions and good answers.  Which is why you can vote on both questions and answers." CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:52:11.530" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="221" PostId="121" Score="2" Text="[Case Study](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/29/does-my-geographic-location-matter-when-requesting-a-salary). This is a very simple yes/no question, but it's still a very good question. By itself, this question does not ask for anything else other than a &quot;yes&quot; or a &quot;no&quot; response. However, a good answer will explain why the answer is what it is, and three such answers were generated (to varying degrees of good)." CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:55:11.263" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="222" PostId="121" Score="1" Text="@ThomasOwens - A one line answer would not be appropriate there.  The great answer provided by nick was several paragraphs..." CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:57:38.077" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="223" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="Define appropriately, then. Because to me, &quot;yes&quot; is an appropriate answer - it answers the specific question asked. It's not a good answer for Stack Exchange sites, but it does answer the question." CreationDate="2012-04-17T20:58:53.397" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="226" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="@ThomasOwens [I personally find those completely unacceptable answers](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/110165/should-i-flag-answers-consisting-only-of-no-or-yes/110170#110170). They encourage polling as well." CreationDate="2012-04-17T21:56:19.720" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="246" PostId="121" Score="0" Text="@ThomasOwens - Yes may be correct.  That does not make it appropriate.  And if Yes is sufficient to answer the question then the question is inappropriate for this SE." CreationDate="2012-04-18T15:36:15.653" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="224" PostId="122" Score="2" Text="Oh, haven't you noticed that I come by a few seconds later and delete the answers? ;P" CreationDate="2012-04-17T21:24:28.980" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="225" PostId="122" Score="0" Text="I'm somewhere between you and Yannis on this issue, but on UX it's usually very new users who do this. I'm seeing it from all experience levels here." CreationDate="2012-04-17T21:53:15.900" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="256" PostId="122" Score="1" Text="We get one-line wonders or link-only answers on Server Fault all the time and handle it pretty much the same way - the usual thing to do is leave a comment that links to [this SO Meta topic](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8231/are-answers-that-just-contain-links-elsewhere-really-good-answers) and some boilerplate about &quot;We like answers here to give a sense of the *why* so people can learn from them&quot; -- it seems to work pretty well for committed users, and when people don't get the hint their answers get downvoted or mysteriously deleted :-)" CreationDate="2012-04-18T18:43:58.910" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="277" PostId="122" Score="1" Text="@Rarity I don't really delete the answers seconds after Thomas posted a comment ;) What I do though is check the user's profile and see if they have visited the site since the comment was posted, and if they did and didn't care to expand the answer I just delete it and forget all about it." CreationDate="2012-04-19T15:40:49.183" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="228" PostId="123" Score="1" Text="Calling for anecdotes is the wrong approach.  I Think the site is doing fine with out it." CreationDate="2012-04-18T02:25:44.343" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="229" PostId="123" Score="3" Text="@Chad so instead of anecdotes we're getting opinions. How is that better?" CreationDate="2012-04-18T02:35:13.270" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="559" PostId="123" Score="0" Text="Different not better.  But the demand for an anecdote is asking for crap answers so while I am not saying what we have is better cause its still crap... that crap I think will be worse." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:57:05.493" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="577" PostId="123" Score="1" Text="We're getting a lot of me-too and pure-opinion answers now; of the betas I've participated in, this one seems to be off to the rockiest start when it comes to quality." CreationDate="2012-05-01T14:41:19.657" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2222" PostId="123" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [FAQ proposal: Back It Up and Don't Repeat Others](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/255/faq-proposal-back-it-up-and-dont-repeat-others)" CreationDate="2013-03-21T08:40:39.210" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="237" PostId="125" Score="2" Text="It's not a matter of requiring anecdotes but rather indicating in some way you actually know what you're talking about by showing you've *actually* solved X problem before." CreationDate="2012-04-18T14:38:02.827" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="242" PostId="125" Score="2" Text="@Rarity - That is what reputation and History here should do.  I can make up a story about how this one time I band camp I landed on the moon.  That does not help any answer." CreationDate="2012-04-18T15:25:47.663" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="553" PostId="125" Score="1" Text="@Chad, Answer content should stand on its own; you shouldn't have to go researching a user's post history to evaluate the veracity of an answer. If an answerer wants to stand on some specific aspect of her experience, she should have to cite it clearly in the answer." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:38:02.017" UserId="10" />
  <row Id="556" PostId="125" Score="0" Text="@IsaacMoses - To be clear I am not against any anecdote.  Just the requirement that proof be provided and an anecdote be included as acceptable proof.  An anecdote is proof of nothing accept that you can relate a story that may or may not have ever happened" CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:48:19.467" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="557" PostId="125" Score="0" Text="@Chad, I [recommend](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/243/10) that we think more about requiring provenance than about requiring proof. To post nonsense straight from the gut requires only laziness. To post gut-nonsense and falsely describe experience to base it on requires laziness along with dishonesty. I submit that requiring people to either own up to their inexperience or be dishonest will result in fewer baseless answers and more ability for the community to evaluate all answers." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:50:01.847" UserId="10" />
  <row Id="238" PostId="126" Score="2" Text="There's all sorts of problems with that question...the title screams too localized, &quot;minimum experience&quot; screams not constructive...not a good example for anything." CreationDate="2012-04-18T14:39:51.870" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="243" PostId="126" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - Which is why I posted this question.  How do we fix them or do you just say no career path questions period." CreationDate="2012-04-18T15:27:44.543" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="244" PostId="126" Score="0" Text="I'm on the fence. The hiring/recruiting process seems definitely on target, as does career development...but the actual career shift stuff gets pretty dang industry specific." CreationDate="2012-04-18T15:29:43.557" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="245" PostId="126" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - Comments are for clarification not answers... you should know better." CreationDate="2012-04-18T15:30:25.880" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="247" PostId="126" Score="0" Text="As an answer, what does &quot;I'm on the fence&quot; bring to the table? What does a vote on that mean?" CreationDate="2012-04-18T15:38:43.063" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="251" PostId="126" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - So that makes it ok to not follow the rules?" CreationDate="2012-04-18T15:56:34.287" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="253" PostId="126" Score="1" Text="Discussions happen on Meta. That's how it works. You're inappropriately generalizing the &quot;what comments are not&quot; post; comments are still important on Meta." CreationDate="2012-04-18T16:28:11.300" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="234" PostId="127" Score="2" Text="I meant to VtC as NarQ but I picked Off topic since it was already highlighted. It's a bad Q but I'm not sure it's off topic. Also, you can always edit your own questions, why wouldn't she be able to fix it herself?" CreationDate="2012-04-18T14:10:11.690" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="236" PostId="127" Score="0" Text="I've tried to edit the question for the OP, and it's in the review queue." CreationDate="2012-04-18T14:32:01.517" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="239" PostId="127" Score="0" Text="Now that the edits are live, and it's gotten some votes back up, do the comments about its fit get wiped? I'm not sure how that works, entirely." CreationDate="2012-04-18T14:59:56.177" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="254" PostId="127" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni Right now only SE employees can delete comments (we don't have mods yet). But you can always delete your own comments." CreationDate="2012-04-18T16:28:38.180" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="255" PostId="127" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos Check. I just didn't know the process. Thanks!" CreationDate="2012-04-18T16:36:37.743" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="261" PostId="127" Score="0" Text="What is the conclusion of this question? Since comments were cluttering around the question, there was a meta discussion. All answers here talked about the question said this should be &quot;ON-TOPIC&quot; but then no one really cares about any feedback. The question still gets closed as off topic! How can that be? In fact the people who finally closed it - didn't even answer. So there was no point in really making this meta discussion really?" CreationDate="2012-04-19T04:15:18.720" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="262" PostId="127" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta - Well I anticipate the question will be voted to reopen.  It appears that it is on topic overwelmingly" CreationDate="2012-04-19T12:41:13.147" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="232" PostId="128" Score="0" Text="I think these questions are either on or off topic here.  Opening another SE just to take away traffic from this one is probably not a good move at this point." CreationDate="2012-04-18T13:42:07.980" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="235" PostId="129" Score="2" Text="I think it's on topic, just not a real question. Needs a lot more info/focus before it can be a fit." CreationDate="2012-04-18T14:31:06.093" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="241" PostId="130" Score="2" Text="But the question is scoped for the workplace.  As opposed to being scoped for the whole or outside work at all." CreationDate="2012-04-18T15:12:01.053" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="248" PostId="130" Score="0" Text="@Chad As it was asked originally it would go beyond the scope of work." CreationDate="2012-04-18T15:40:16.977" UserId="83" />
  <row Id="249" PostId="130" Score="0" Text="@Chad As evidenced by one of the answers: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/729/how-to-talk-to-my-boss-one-on-one-with-confidence/739#739" CreationDate="2012-04-18T15:50:41.317" UserId="83" />
  <row Id="250" PostId="130" Score="0" Text="How does the answer speak to the scope of the question?" CreationDate="2012-04-18T15:54:53.150" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="252" PostId="130" Score="0" Text="@Chad *What make us fear the client? the boss? a senior peer? or even a brat junior? The most important aspect is our ability communicate and put our point forward* - The understanding is same as mine this question as was originally stated goes into an area beyond workplace.  The fact that it occurred in the workplace setting doesn't make it a workplace soft skills question." CreationDate="2012-04-18T16:16:42.267" UserId="83" />
  <row Id="267" PostId="134" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately voting/rep doesn't seem to be helping very much; everything gets upvotes. This community does not yet seem to have the very high levels of scrutiny that SO/SU/SF have in voting" CreationDate="2012-04-19T13:33:29.507" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="268" PostId="134" Score="0" Text="Also...strong opinions based on years in the field are *exactly the sort of answers this rule would expect*. I'm not sure you're getting the gist of it; it's not requiring empirical research for each post." CreationDate="2012-04-19T13:35:39.270" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="259" PostId="135" Score="1" Text="It's reasonable to be hesitant, but keep in mind that you'll never be alone, you'll be a part of a team that includes moderators from all over the network. First couple of days will be a bit awkward, but after you discover the delete button it gets a lot easier ;)" CreationDate="2012-04-18T19:26:46.303" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="4259" PostId="135" Score="0" Text="To whoever voted to delete this: Argh! The question may not be relevant anymore, but that doesn't mean it's not a piece of the site's history. There's no harm in keeping it around closed." CreationDate="2014-03-26T13:17:34.550" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="263" PostId="139" Score="2" Text="What do you mean &quot;work sensitive&quot;? As in &quot;might look bad if my boss saw it&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-04-19T13:11:20.613" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="264" PostId="139" Score="0" Text="@Rarity: exactly." CreationDate="2012-04-19T13:19:59.947" UserId="91" />
  <row Id="265" PostId="139" Score="5" Text="Is it really our job to protect people from their own stupidity? As in, if someone wants to admit to being a naughty boy in work on here in such a manner that leaves them identifiable in the real world, is it our job to stop them? Personally, I think no." CreationDate="2012-04-19T13:24:51.547" UserId="96" />
  <row Id="270" PostId="139" Score="0" Text="@JohnN I agree, though questions about flouting the law ([pirating software](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/772/risks-of-using-pirated-software-on-the-job)) might be a whole different story (and maybe a good question to ask here)." CreationDate="2012-04-19T13:38:17.473" UserId="91" />
  <row Id="266" PostId="140" Score="1" Text="tl;dr: If it's crap, click `close` and pick the most fitting reason why. You need 500 rep." CreationDate="2012-04-19T13:31:17.437" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="274" PostId="140" Score="1" Text="To be fair, P.SE did a bad job at defining their site scope, and once they did define it, they didn't make it clear to the users that the site scope had changed dramatically from the original area51 proposal's scope. You shouldn't have that problem here, and I think that providing you make the site scope clear on meta, users will be happy to help maintain the site." CreationDate="2012-04-19T14:05:23.370" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="275" PostId="140" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - true, however, I think that users new to the network (which we should be attracting) will need the guide." CreationDate="2012-04-19T14:08:53.377" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="276" PostId="140" Score="0" Text="@ChrisF I agree, I found this guide useful the first time I came across it :)" CreationDate="2012-04-19T14:45:33.723" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="269" PostId="142" Score="1" Text="+1 for *it's on the asker*. I thought we should have it defined *somewhere* and your answer seems like a good policy. Regarding your last sentence, I assume that is intended as *additional information* because I'm not asking about rants." CreationDate="2012-04-19T13:36:26.743" UserId="91" />
  <row Id="271" PostId="142" Score="0" Text="@Wikis rants make you look bad, I just wanted to clarify that for those concerned about this as askers it's not appropriate. I can remove it if you want to just keep the bit about it being the asker's responsibility though." CreationDate="2012-04-19T13:51:59.517" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="273" PostId="142" Score="0" Text="It's no problem, I agree, I just wasn't sure if you thought I was asking about that." CreationDate="2012-04-19T14:02:24.557" UserId="91" />
  <row Id="279" PostId="142" Score="1" Text="Agreed - Don't put information on Stack Exchange if it's that sensitive.  Don't put enough to link you to your employer or client if someone making that association would jeopardize your job.  **If you post something you shouldn't have and need it redacted / erased from history, contact a moderator and they'll make it happen.**" CreationDate="2012-04-19T16:40:24.793" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="289" PostId="142" Score="2" Text="Anyone else think this should be in the FAQ in what *not* to ask?" CreationDate="2012-04-19T19:48:00.437" UserId="91" />
  <row Id="272" PostId="143" Score="1" Text="[TL;DR](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/142/48)" CreationDate="2012-04-19T13:53:25.800" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="281" PostId="144" Score="0" Text="yes. this is a relatively normal lifecycle for SE sites with a subjective scope." CreationDate="2012-04-19T17:27:02.593" UserId="367" />
  <row Id="282" PostId="144" Score="5" Text="@waxeagle But it doesn't really have to be... No reason to tolerate what we already know won't work, especially all the bikeshed crap." CreationDate="2012-04-19T17:30:19.733" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="283" PostId="144" Score="0" Text="@yannis It's true, but that requires strong moderation either from moderators or the community, something rarely (if ever) present in early beta periods." CreationDate="2012-04-19T17:33:22.600" UserId="367" />
  <row Id="284" PostId="144" Score="0" Text="@waxeagle Why do you think I stick around ;P" CreationDate="2012-04-19T17:34:23.423" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="302" PostId="144" Score="0" Text="@waxeagle we've shown we have close voters to reliably close questions without mods AFTER the public beta, which is very rare for a site so early in public beta. If we coordinate via meta and [chat] we have a chance to make this work." CreationDate="2012-04-20T12:42:41.680" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="280" PostId="146" Score="0" Text="Do you have an existing question in mind?" CreationDate="2012-04-19T17:17:37.953" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="285" PostId="146" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos, the eyestrain question I outlined.  (A full treatment would describe the problem, current setting, and what I'm allowed and forbidden to change in the environment.)" CreationDate="2012-04-19T18:15:56.163" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="286" PostId="146" Score="0" Text="Oh, yes, I meant a question that was already asked on the site. It's not really easy to argue hypotheticals." CreationDate="2012-04-19T18:19:26.910" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="287" PostId="146" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos, I linked the qeustion that prompted my question.  I haven't seen any ergonomics questions, but they seem in the same ballpark as a question about making open seating suck less, but the site is young and scope isn't clear yet so I didn't want to just ask it.  As I said, I'm new here and I haven't seen a lot of info about what's on/off-topic." CreationDate="2012-04-19T19:03:29.427" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="295" PostId="147" Score="3" Text="+1 for actively encouraging improvement, which to my mind includes the constant reminder -- and Yannis does this on Programmers -- that closure does not have to be a death knell.  Improved questions can be reopened." CreationDate="2012-04-19T21:03:34.867" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="296" PostId="147" Score="1" Text="@jcmeloni I do it all the time on UX, I see relatively few people take up on the offer but I still think it's worth posting" CreationDate="2012-04-19T22:24:47.553" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="288" PostId="150" Score="1" Text="My feeling as well, good to know I'm not that insane :-)" CreationDate="2012-04-19T19:45:38.643" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="290" PostId="150" Score="1" Text="No, not really. Repeating a common sense answer is what several users tend to do in order to get some cheap rep, and it goes against Stack Exchange's philosophy and format. Most of the 14 answers are completely useless to anyone but the answerers, as they just iterate what earlier answers say. The answerers should have just upvoted the earlier answers they agree with." CreationDate="2012-04-19T19:57:22.153" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="4231" PostId="150" Score="0" Text="@Yannis: Is it Stack Exchange's philosophy to blame the questioner for bad answers?" CreationDate="2014-03-25T05:52:24.760" UserId="10954" />
  <row Id="291" PostId="151" Score="0" Text="`The answer to this question is obvious to anyone who has ever worked in a professional environment` - The end." CreationDate="2012-04-19T20:03:50.103" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="326" PostId="151" Score="1" Text="@YannisRizos This site is ***NOT*** just for people who have been working in professional environments for 20 years and already know everything -- It is also for the 16 year old high school student who just landed their first summer job, and needs these things explained, preferably before they screw up and get themselves or their employer in deep trouble.  If we're throwing out that entire portion of our audience I don't see the point of this site at all." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:16:43.437" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="331" PostId="151" Score="0" Text="_If_ the question was `I'm 16 and about to start my first internship, is it ok to use pirated software at work?` I'd probably upvote it. You are assuming too much, and that's the problem with extremely vague questions, everyone reads them a different way. We  can solve that problem by sticking to questions that are about actual practical problems that the OP is facing, and ban hypotheticals, rhetoricals and everything else as vague. We are not here to guess who the question might be useful to, but help solve _actual_ problems." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:27:34.137" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="337" PostId="151" Score="1" Text="@YannisRizos And if they were an exceptionally stupid 40 year old getting their first job would you still upvote it, or is there a double standard? I'm making no assumption other than `The asker does not know this is not OK` (because they asked the question). The question is &quot;Is it OK to use pirated software in a professional environment?&quot; (practical question, though stupid) - the answer is &quot;No&quot; (Single, simple, factual answer)." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:42:05.930" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="338" PostId="151" Score="0" Text="It is a practical question, but it's not an _actual problem_ the OP is facing. The question is crap not because it's trivial, but because it's a conversation starter and not a real question." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:48:31.347" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="4229" PostId="151" Score="0" Text="I agree with everything you said -- at the Q concerned and here -- *except* with &quot;I do have a close vote on this question to stop the avalanche of truly awful answers, but I would much rather see it locked than closed&quot; and your actual part in the close. I must admit that i don't fully understand the mechanism of close voting vs lock voting, but i'm absolutely astonished that anyone would vote to close what they argue is a good question. If it needs locking, vote for that. Please clarify in your answer, thanks." CreationDate="2014-03-25T05:46:58.550" UserId="10954" />
  <row Id="4245" PostId="151" Score="0" Text="@martinf The point of closure (placing something &quot;On Hold&quot; in the new parlance) is to allow the question to be improved (so it stops attracting crap answers). Locking (specifically, locking for off-topic comments) is a moderator action which prevents any further commenting until the lock is removed. For this question, both actions would have been appropriate for different reasons. (There is also &quot;protection&quot;, which prevents answers by users with &lt; 10 reputation, but &quot;10&quot; is such a *pathetically* low bar that protection is kinda useless.)" CreationDate="2014-03-25T15:20:23.443" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="294" PostId="153" Score="2" Text="+1 I was *just* going to bring up &quot;it depends&quot; questions on UX as an example." CreationDate="2012-04-19T20:57:41.863" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="301" PostId="154" Score="0" Text="+1 for `Questions asking for common sense are fine, bad questions are not`. Something can seem like common sense to one person, but is not to someone else. Everyone was new once, and I'm sure we've all asked common-sense questions at some point in our careers. Sometimes we just need someone to show us the right way to look at things." CreationDate="2012-04-20T12:29:21.613" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="297" PostId="157" Score="0" Text="+1 for diligent pruning" CreationDate="2012-04-19T22:36:03.270" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="298" PostId="157" Score="0" Text="@Chad I wouldn't worry much about setting a specific timeframe, 72 hours might be a bit unreasonable for a low traffic site (OP may not return to the site for 72 hours). Everything else I agree with, and would add that we've [already been warned once](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/44/48)." CreationDate="2012-04-19T23:14:40.973" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="304" PostId="157" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - I am saying that most of the questions that get closed and don't get fixed are not worth fixing.  There could surely be some that are not then I would hope someone would post on meta asking for help to fix." CreationDate="2012-04-20T13:41:01.197" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="306" PostId="157" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - I understand that.  But we should never have that where we need to delete 100 questions.  We should stay on top of them and not let them get stale.  Would a week be long enough?  I would be against anything much longer as the minimum wait time." CreationDate="2012-04-20T13:57:14.590" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="308" PostId="157" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - We should have firm guidelines for the basic rules though.  There will always be outliers, questions that hangaround hoping to get fixed and questions that need to go away NOW.  This is for the handling of the everyday is it good to do X questions.  We are a softer site so we run a greater risk of attracting bad subjective questions.  We need to be diligent about cleaning them up and not letting people pile on them.  The best way to avoid the people just wanting attention is to let them know they arent going to get it here." CreationDate="2012-04-20T14:08:16.730" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="310" PostId="157" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - I am suggesting that we should firm it up for this site." CreationDate="2012-04-20T14:12:49.160" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="415" PostId="158" Score="0" Text="Done: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/945/how-do-i-make-my-workplace-easier-on-my-eyes" CreationDate="2012-04-24T20:01:56.480" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="312" PostId="161" Score="2" Text="I kind of stopped reading after &quot;I'm going to use myself and programmers.SE as an example...&quot;  Is it possible for you to answer a question on *any* Stack Exchange site without trying to loop your misguided crusade about P.SE into it?" CreationDate="2012-04-20T14:19:23.253" UserId="295" />
  <row Id="317" PostId="161" Score="0" Text="@casperOne Try and look at the answer objectively, without your own misguided assumptions about my reasons for answering a question. I would like to prevent the cycle the OP described, which happened on P.SE" CreationDate="2012-04-20T14:54:34.940" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="318" PostId="161" Score="1" Text="If you could answer a question and stay *on-topic* it would be much easier.  Unfortunately, for those that have interacted with you on other Stack Exchange networks, it's become quite the norm for you to relate *everything* back to  your issues with P.SE.  When you do this, it degrades the quality of everything else that you're trying to say.  You could effectively remove the third paragraph and the answer would still stand on it's own.  So why have it there in the first place?  You've used this tactic, and been called out before on it.  It's nothing new." CreationDate="2012-04-20T14:59:02.660" UserId="295" />
  <row Id="319" PostId="161" Score="0" Text="@casperOne I am trying to explain the reason behind my answer, and I think personal experience is one of the best reasons you can give to back up an answer. If the answer would be better without personal experience to back it up, then please feel free to remove it." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:01:28.567" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="323" PostId="161" Score="0" Text="Casper requested the edit (doesn't have privs yet)" CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:07:02.493" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="324" PostId="161" Score="0" Text="I don't have edit privileges, but I've gotten it edited.  Thank you." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:07:02.947" UserId="295" />
  <row Id="4230" PostId="162" Score="0" Text="Good points -- except for the long-winded introduction." CreationDate="2014-03-25T05:50:42.680" UserId="10954" />
  <row Id="311" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="other than not letting it show up on hot questions or be piled on?" CreationDate="2012-04-20T14:17:34.753" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="314" PostId="163" Score="3" Text="We could migrate it to Yahoo Answers..." CreationDate="2012-04-20T14:28:55.723" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="315" PostId="163" Score="3" Text="I think it is better spirit! When we know something is wrong - we should ask what would have made it better rather than just condemning and walking away. SE is about making great content. But we cann't make great content just by rejecting and beating bad ones alone. We should rather produce examples of good ones out of bad - and elevate people!" CreationDate="2012-04-20T14:40:01.247" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="316" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="@Chad UX ends up in the Hot Questions dropdown all the time and this doesn't happen. Popularity doesn't help but it's not the main problem here" CreationDate="2012-04-20T14:46:17.290" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="321" PostId="163" Score="1" Text="@DipanMehta I would nominate you for a beta moderator based on that point of view alone! (if you want) :)" CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:05:09.843" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="325" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="@Rachel thanks. I appreciate. Just that currently i am in a personal situation that i might end up not doing justice. But nevertheless would always contribute to community in whatever possible way." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:14:06.943" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="327" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta The problem is that although a lot of people knew that the question was problematic, they rushed to answer it (in their endless quest for meaningless rep). Same with the pirate software question, where only you and a couple of others approached the question respectfully. If you think a question has problems, cast your close vote asap, we can always re-open if the question is improved, without needing to go back and clean and endless stream of crap answers." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:18:47.827" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="329" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos I saw a good question that was badly phrased and tried to answer it in a constructive fashion. I suspect that is what others tried to do as well, although we probably interpreted the question differently. Not everyone is in this for the rep - many of us just like to help people." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:25:27.303" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="330" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos I agree with you. And i think the human nature drives it. People jump to answer (even if it is only a smallest variation of above one) because they (too) can answer it! Remember the dotCom bust? Every VC invested money only because everyone else was doing it. I think we should also flag and clean up answers to highlight the issue. But this meta question is at least doing a fine job of educating" CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:25:36.180" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="332" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="I think if the rate of answers (say 3 answers in 1 min) is very high - it should auto guard it. From the point of view of moderation - instead of closure it should first have some level of protection and probably some way to make explicit warning to OP to either improve or delete.  Also, i never understood why should upvoting be allowed on a question and the answers which is declared &quot;Not Constructive?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:27:59.703" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="335" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta No. An automatic prevention mechanism by _volume_ alone means that we have decided that a lot of answers always is a sign of a bad question, but that's not _always_ the case. Also it would be far too easy to abuse, every troll out there could trigger the mechanism by adding yet another crap answer and hurt an otherwise great question. We need human eyes on this, and we need to be the ones who protect our community, and the first step to that is for every one of us to refrain from posting crap themselves." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:34:35.313" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="336" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta Also note that 3 answers in a 1 min usually means that all three answerers started writing their answers at the same time and there is no way to know that someone else is writing an answer until they finish it and post it." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:36:10.707" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="340" PostId="163" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos I agree, a rush by itself doesn't mean all answers or at least the question is bad. And you don't have to deny answers even. It is just and indication that a moderator attention is needed. In essence we just need to slow down pace some how to indicate people to re-think. Some flag, or force moderation clearance before post visible; i dont know what might work." CreationDate="2012-04-20T16:01:16.167" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="343" PostId="163" Score="1" Text="@DipanMehta The one thing that always works is a core set of dedicated users that care for the site first, and for their reputation or their badges later (if at all). If we get that, The Workplace is going to do just fine, if we don't, well, I don't see how it could survive beta. We can get every nice mechanism we can think of, but nothing is going to be better than a group of users that actually care for the site. That doesn't mean that we _always_ have to agree on _everything_, it only means putting the site and the community before anything else." CreationDate="2012-04-20T16:05:40.280" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="320" PostId="165" Score="0" Text="This is a far better phrasing of the original question.  It's not that your resume is &quot;too long&quot; if it's &gt;1 sheet of paper (that's very situational), but an explanation of why the brief resume is the preferred standard would be more beneficial to people." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:04:44.497" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="328" PostId="165" Score="0" Text="Better alternative (by far) but still not a good question. Recommended by whom? And under which conditions? What is the actual practical problem that you need solved?" CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:22:27.917" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="333" PostId="165" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos Recommended by a large number of HR experts, teachers, and career guidance counselors, under any condition, and this is a practical problem that most job seekers with longer resumes face." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:28:02.793" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="334" PostId="165" Score="0" Text="@Rachel If that was part of the question, I'd be ok with it. If it included some (notable) references I'd upvote it (and probably favourite it)." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:31:03.787" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="354" PostId="166" Score="2" Text="You've forgotten what users can do to discourage me-too-ism, comments + downvotes. I think we need a separate post about me-too-ism though" CreationDate="2012-04-20T18:34:58.497" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="355" PostId="166" Score="0" Text="@Rarity We definitely need that post - I think answer quality and me-too-ism is an even bigger problem here than question quality questions." CreationDate="2012-04-20T19:01:38.063" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="356" PostId="166" Score="0" Text="[Posted](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/172/what-can-we-do-about-me-too-answers)" CreationDate="2012-04-20T19:05:48.593" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="339" PostId="167" Score="0" Text="I feel we largely just had this same discussion here http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/149/42, regardless of seasonings." CreationDate="2012-04-20T15:59:11.273" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="345" PostId="167" Score="0" Text="@Rarity The questions are very closely related, but not quite the same (that is a class of questions, this is a class of *people* asking questions).  The people in this class are most likely to *ask* &quot;common sense&quot; questions, and if &quot;newbies&quot; are going to be excluded by action or policy we probably don't have to worry about my previous question at all" CreationDate="2012-04-20T16:11:34.940" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="353" PostId="167" Score="1" Text="As a rule of thumb it'd be preferable to not discuss people and only concentrate on posts. It makes no difference who the OP is, if it's a good question (or a bad one)." CreationDate="2012-04-20T16:48:28.013" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="378" PostId="167" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos I generally agree with that rule of thumb, *except when trying to specifically define the site's target audience* which is the point of this question.  It's not about posts, it's about the sort of people we want posting.  We obviously want *good* questions from that subset of people..." CreationDate="2012-04-23T15:34:25.163" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="348" PostId="168" Score="0" Text="Still the problem with the piracy question had nothing to do with common sense, that was argued only in chat, and in a light hearted manner. All of the answers in your [common sense Meta question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/149/common-sense-questions) tell you that the problem wasn't with the triviality of the question." CreationDate="2012-04-20T16:20:19.077" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="350" PostId="168" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos I agree that question had other problems, but I don't want to bring discussion of that question into discussion of this class of users:  I'm trying to see if we define this site's audience more like Stack Overflow (wide open arms to anyone in a professional workplace) or Server Fault (&quot;Professional&quot; professionals with some definable level of expertise pre-assumed)" CreationDate="2012-04-20T16:33:09.983" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="351" PostId="168" Score="0" Text="I'd personally welcome every member of the workforce, 16 year olds on internships wouldn't be an exception." CreationDate="2012-04-20T16:35:56.857" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="352" PostId="168" Score="0" Text="I think most of us agree on that part :)" CreationDate="2012-04-20T16:45:27.410" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="377" PostId="168" Score="0" Text="Is it right or wrong is a bad question here. However What should I do about the fact that my company is using pirated software would have been constructive.  Being a newbie does not mean we lower the bar on question quality for you." CreationDate="2012-04-23T14:35:50.813" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="437" PostId="172" Score="3" Text="I asked for taser-over-IP functionality, but everyone said I was being an extremist." CreationDate="2012-04-25T04:23:46.000" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="358" PostId="173" Score="9" Text="Just a note: A comment is nice when there's none, but if there is already a comment saying pretty much the same you'd say, just up vote it, adding a &quot;me too&quot; comment kinda defeats the purpose of cleaning the site from &quot;me too&quot; answers." CreationDate="2012-04-20T20:38:48.213" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="359" PostId="173" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos Well yes, definitly just upvote existing comments that say the same thing instead of posting a new one if one's already there :)" CreationDate="2012-04-20T22:40:46.437" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="360" PostId="173" Score="2" Text="Hm? Did you just post a comment that agrees with an earlier comment? Why not just upvote the earlier comment insted? ;P" CreationDate="2012-04-20T22:57:50.147" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="363" PostId="173" Score="1" Text="@YannisRizos I did :)" CreationDate="2012-04-21T00:44:06.127" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="12793" PostId="173" Score="0" Text="This is not going to work. 5 people have to downvote to have any significant impact no the reputation, and then all it takes is a for newcomer with an association bonus who didn't bother to read the longer answers to cast a pity upvote to completely negate that effort." CreationDate="2017-07-05T08:39:20.700" UserId="37016" />
  <row Id="365" PostId="174" Score="2" Text="@jcmeloni well it's good to see ONE useful answer there :)" CreationDate="2012-04-21T16:23:34.807" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="368" PostId="174" Score="1" Text="Please bear in mind that the question has gone through many iterations and is now quite different to what I asked." CreationDate="2012-04-22T10:18:16.827" UserId="91" />
  <row Id="367" PostId="175" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I saw the original question was much different, sort of a big mess which is why questions should be closed, improved, then reopened in that order. Nothing personal, just an issue I thought worth bringing up" CreationDate="2012-04-22T00:43:14.407" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="366" PostId="176" Score="0" Text="Exactly. There are times where &quot;I don't know&quot; is the only truthful answer to give." CreationDate="2012-04-22T00:22:02.657" UserId="138" />
  <row Id="373" PostId="176" Score="0" Text="Well if your &quot;answer&quot; is I don't know that's really a comment. If your answer is No that's still an answer -- maybe not the one the person wanted, but satisfaction is not guaranteed :)" CreationDate="2012-04-23T00:15:06.380" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="370" PostId="178" Score="1" Text="That's why it's sideways, it DOES include people that don't use computers...but it's still confusing and unhelpful IMO" CreationDate="2012-04-22T16:59:51.743" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="379" PostId="178" Score="0" Text="Yep, Rarity is right.  This [originated](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/54/are-questions-about-office-furniture-off-topic/59#59) as an answer to why questions solely about office furniture are off topic (much like the Programmers diagram originated) but I agree, it's confusing when generalized." CreationDate="2012-04-23T17:36:00.673" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="372" PostId="179" Score="0" Text="Don't worry about synonym tags until they appear. Even if we don't catch them early, when we do, making a couple (or more) tags synonyms is pretty easy (for mods)." CreationDate="2012-04-22T23:36:04.113" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="16495" PostId="179" Score="0" Text="Sometime between then and now the tag went away." CreationDate="2018-09-18T21:40:13.413" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="376" PostId="180" Score="1" Text="No there is plenty of information on how google does this on the web if someone is willing to take time to do the research." CreationDate="2012-04-23T14:33:21.440" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="395" PostId="180" Score="0" Text="Chad, why didn't you restore the OP's original question and tell him to do this research instead of asking here?" CreationDate="2012-04-24T15:35:40.643" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="400" PostId="180" Score="1" Text="Because that is what this QA is for.  If you do not want to do the research then do not do the research.  Someone else either will or won't.  The question must be a good question from the start.  That is just how SE works.  If we allow bad questions then this SE is liable to be closed because of a signal to noise ratio issue.  Right now we have far too much noise." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:33:32.293" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="371" PostId="181" Score="0" Text="good points there." CreationDate="2012-04-22T19:05:07.803" UserId="118" />
  <row Id="380" PostId="181" Score="0" Text="6 - Sigma questions really need to get pushed to PP&amp;PM but that general question should be good for the generic what is 6 sigma questions." CreationDate="2012-04-23T20:41:59.650" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="381" PostId="181" Score="0" Text="@Chad It's something I definitely plan to watch." CreationDate="2012-04-23T20:44:30.787" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="382" PostId="181" Score="0" Text="I did actually remove the 6sigma tag infavor of the terminology tag since thats what the question was really about" CreationDate="2012-04-23T21:24:01.050" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="383" PostId="181" Score="0" Text="@Chad Ok; was that a remove one tag, then create a new tag edit process?" CreationDate="2012-04-23T21:30:45.767" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="392" PostId="181" Score="0" Text="Terminology was already in the list." CreationDate="2012-04-24T12:48:41.337" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="384" PostId="183" Score="1" Text="I don't think this question turned out too badly, though it went through a number of iterations that resulted in some less than stellar answers. We now have a question about a program a lot of companies talkabout implementing, with two great answers that provide insight into how to make it work (one is even from a company *actually doing* it).  Seems like a good result to me..." CreationDate="2012-04-24T00:41:10.180" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="385" PostId="184" Score="7" Text="We see over and over again that questions should be about &quot;actual and practical&quot; problems, but then when they are they are &quot;too localized&quot;.  I must admit I'm a bit confused too." CreationDate="2012-04-24T03:59:17.483" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="386" PostId="184" Score="1" Text="What makes &quot;Getting fired on second day!&quot; Localized? It can happen in any industry, any company, any profession." CreationDate="2012-04-24T05:10:51.077" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="394" PostId="184" Score="1" Text="@DipanMehta - Does &quot;is it fair?&quot; sound like a constructive question to you?" CreationDate="2012-04-24T14:54:11.153" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="397" PostId="184" Score="4" Text="@Chad - &quot;Is it fair?&quot; doesn't exactly sound good, but the full question was &quot;Is it fair for employer to [do X]? Is it common?&quot; which I think is pretty much in line with other &quot;Is X a normal/acceptable workplace behavior/situation?&quot; questions that have been asked before with no issues, and that I think are perfectly reasonable, if not constructive in terms of immediate problem-solving." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:13:28.443" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="399" PostId="184" Score="0" Text="@weronika - Judgments on good,bad, fair, not fair are not constructive.  Lemming behavior does not make it any more constructive.  &quot;Is X a normal/acceptable workplace behavior/situation&quot; is not a good question." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:29:55.590" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="401" PostId="184" Score="2" Text="OK - in that case what about this question? [Is it acceptable to decline a team lunch?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/645/is-it-acceptable-to-decline-a-team-lunch). This is a &quot;good question with 28 upvotes, 8 answers&quot; and hasn't been closed.  Your own comment there is positive there and contradicts your comment above!" CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:36:31.130" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="402" PostId="184" Score="2" Text="Another one: [Is it unprofessional to play games during lunch hours?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/572/is-it-unprofessional-to-play-games-during-lunch-hours) This one too is still open! If *Is X acceptable* formula doesn't seem to be consistent yet!" CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:47:24.050" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="404" PostId="184" Score="2" Text="Another (i won't dig anymore) [Is it appropriate to request a delayed start date at a new employer to help find/train your replacement?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/483/is-it-appropriate-to-request-a-delayed-start-date-at-a-new-employer-to-help-find) - open 15 upvotes, 9 answers." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:55:55.630" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="407" PostId="184" Score="2" Text="@Chad - judgements on good/bad/fair etc are hard to distinguish from judgements on whether something is professional behavior, proper workplace etiquette, etc, which are on topic here, I thought? I think it's mostly a matter of wording rather than anything inherent to the questions, which is why I'm inclined to let them slide. But you could make an argument that these questions are all right to ask about something *you're* doing (constructive, actionable) but not about something *other people* are doing - is that what you mean?" CreationDate="2012-04-24T17:14:32.580" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="409" PostId="184" Score="0" Text="@weronika - I would say that is correct.  There is nothing constructive about judging others, or judging workplace policies that you have no say in.  You can not change what others do, you can change what you do." CreationDate="2012-04-24T17:23:14.040" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="411" PostId="184" Score="2" Text="@Chad - All right, that makes sense. Personally I see some value in at least knowing what is normal/expected of others in various situations (and in knowing whether something is illegal or otherwise actionable), but I see your point, and it's a pretty clear guideline that could be put in the FAQ if people think it should apply. Want to bring it up on the FAQ meta question or somewhere else more visible?" CreationDate="2012-04-24T17:31:29.423" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="414" PostId="184" Score="0" Text="@weronika - It is not a hard and fast rule though." CreationDate="2012-04-24T19:25:28.070" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2085" PostId="184" Score="2" Text="The question shouldn't be closed, the underlying questions are: Why did this happen? And Is it normal? Those are pretty important questions. Should be reopened. Another good question lost to the abyss." CreationDate="2013-02-08T14:33:46.607" UserId="5213" />
  <row Id="387" PostId="185" Score="1" Text="Fair enough. I agree that emotional outburst should be controlled so that the question really becomes clear enough. However, i don't think other people should get emotional about *closing* it!  This poses a very bad culture (visible in many other sites)" CreationDate="2012-04-24T06:33:15.357" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="388" PostId="185" Score="1" Text="I think the way we always recommend that one must put a comment before a downvote - closing of question must be justified to a reasonable extent and more importantly it must be improved in whichever way we can to ensure that. By beating around questions we don't quite get the so-called *quality* !" CreationDate="2012-04-24T06:35:43.467" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="389" PostId="185" Score="1" Text="@DipanMehta I agree that generally these questions didn't warrant closing - I just voted to reopen the motivation one earlier today. (Still not completely sure about the Unreasonable Expectations one, the situation going on in it isn't clear to me). And yes, the fact that we get multiple close votes with no explaining comment *definitely* seems like a problem." CreationDate="2012-04-24T06:38:00.453" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="390" PostId="186" Score="2" Text="First off - my sincere apology for any flaming words. I have removed that from the question. Second, as about the utility of either the question or answer i disagree with your notion of what could be concrete and useful. Will debate more if you wish. And last but most important thing : `Voting to close is a form of communication` i am sorry but that is grossly incorrect. I do agree with `Close early and often, improve, review and re-open.` but unfortunately we stop at the first point. Any close vote i have seen, i have not seen any follow up and any improvisation only except 1 question." CreationDate="2012-04-24T07:25:29.193" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="391" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="@Dipan Removed the quote from the answer as well. Don't worry about it, but next time please cool off before you post on Meta; I was quite surprised by that sentence because you've always conducted yourself perfectly on ProgSE. `i am sorry but that is grossly incorrect` That's not enough for me, you need to explain why it's incorrect, just saying that it is won't convince me (or anyone else). `but unfortunately we stop at the first point` That is a problem, voting to close is not. Let's deal with the real problem. But to be fair most of the questions closed so far are unsalvageable." CreationDate="2012-04-24T07:32:47.827" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="396" PostId="186" Score="3" Text="I think the point here is that while voting to close is a form of communication, it doesn't communicate anything very useful to the OP - the standard text with the explanation for why the question was closed and what could be done about it is a better communication tool, but only shows up once the question has been closed. If there are only a few close votes, the OP doesn't know the reason for them, so it's difficult to react in a constructive way." CreationDate="2012-04-24T15:44:51.023" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="412" PostId="186" Score="1" Text="In my defense, @YannisRizos, there was never any intent to rant. I have had similar discussions from both sides on dealing with employer expectations that are simply about ways to properly face the expectation. StackExchange values details, so I attempted to provide such, but when it was felt too localized, I did remove them. When the diagnosis bias led to it being considered a rant, I flagged for its closure. Saying &quot;I should know better&quot; is simply inflammatory. Could I have worded it better? Probably, and I tried. When I determined I could not reasonably salvage it, I flagged it to close." CreationDate="2012-04-24T18:47:44.840" UserId="223" />
  <row Id="419" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="@stslavik There was never an intent to rant, true. The end result though is a rant in disguise, whether there was intent or not. And I might came a bit strong there with the &quot;you should have known better&quot;, but you know the drill, you've probably pointed to the &quot;don't ask&quot; part of the FAQ as many times as I have." CreationDate="2012-04-24T23:49:24.923" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="420" PostId="186" Score="0" Text="@weronika Actually as the OP, if you are getting close votes you can see the close reasons. If you click on the `close(2)` link you see the close modal and what reasons close voters chose." CreationDate="2012-04-24T23:51:05.577" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="441" PostId="187" Score="0" Text="+1 An excellent answer." CreationDate="2012-04-25T07:13:01.640" UserId="96" />
  <row Id="2969" PostId="187" Score="0" Text="Excellent advice. In addition, I believe that if you're not going to improve it (as you said, voting to close is the easiest thing to do), it's best to explain what should be improved after you vote to close so the OP or others know how to improve it. As a new user, I've recently had questions that have been downvoted for not meeting the SE standards without any explanation of why, which is a big turnoff for new users." CreationDate="2013-08-20T16:35:00.410" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="403" PostId="188" Score="1" Text="I was an early advocate of this site.  But if we do not take control of it soon then by the time we can it will be too late to do any good." CreationDate="2012-04-24T16:52:34.767" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="405" PostId="188" Score="3" Text="You shouldn't need moderators to fix the issue... moderators are exception handlers, not policemen or janitors. The purpose of beta is for the community to figure out a site's scope, and what is/isn't acceptable." CreationDate="2012-04-24T17:03:11.143" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="408" PostId="188" Score="1" Text="@rachel - I think this site is going to require more moderator intervention than most to keep it from becoming a forum." CreationDate="2012-04-24T17:15:01.010" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="410" PostId="188" Score="1" Text="You shouldn't need moderators to maintain a user-run Q&amp;A site and stop it from becoming a forum. You need an educated community." CreationDate="2012-04-24T17:28:35.450" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="413" PostId="188" Score="0" Text="@rachel - The community wants to vote up these lousy questions." CreationDate="2012-04-24T19:23:54.420" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="416" PostId="188" Score="0" Text="Maybe we should listen to the community? Afterall, this is supposed to be a community-run site" CreationDate="2012-04-24T23:04:50.307" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="423" PostId="188" Score="2" Text="There's a reason these sites have two *parallel* voting systems, one for ranking and the other for moderation. Helps to separate the &quot;bikeshed&quot; voting from that intended to indicate suitability." CreationDate="2012-04-25T00:06:53.233" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="430" PostId="188" Score="2" Text="@Rachel Maybe we should not? There would be no sense in letting a few people repeat the same mistakes that have brought other sites to their knees in the past. &quot;community-run site&quot; doesn't mean everything goes." CreationDate="2012-04-25T00:24:30.213" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="433" PostId="190" Score="2" Text="+1 - a big part of the problem is that some of the bad questions are interesting, and some of them are even generating interesting answers.  We need to clean up the ones that can be saved (***EDIT!***), and put the others out of their misery..." CreationDate="2012-04-25T03:50:18.727" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="470" PostId="190" Score="0" Text="+1 for define. I'd really like to see more of that happening.  It feels like a lot of these discussions about closing particular questions could be avoided with clearer definitions." CreationDate="2012-04-26T05:02:41.847" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="417" PostId="191" Score="0" Text="`is a very general question. It can happen to anyone.` Yes and no. Of course it can happen to anyone, but the reasons are going to be too localized. `I posted this question to better judge the situation and to know more about what is accepted in the industry` That's why the question is unsuitable. We expect questions to be about practical problems, and not general discussions. `Can't I explore my options next time. Can be I better equipped to handle this situation next time.` But you are _not_ asking that, that would be a good question." CreationDate="2012-04-24T23:41:24.167" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="418" PostId="191" Score="0" Text="`Is it ok to fire an employee on the second day? or&#xA;Is it fair to terminate an employee on the second day of his job?` Both are unanswerable unless we know exactly why you were fired. It's impossible for you to tell us, because you don't know. It's an ugly and unfair situation (you should have at least been told why) but that says nothing about the question itself." CreationDate="2012-04-24T23:42:37.503" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="421" PostId="191" Score="1" Text="`yes and no` on general or not can be the case for every question here [seriously]. That means all those question are border line and should prob be closed. `I posted this question ..`, we all want to know what is acceptable in the industry. Of course someone may answer, yes this is norm, you can get fired the next day if you do not know anything. That would ease my pain as well anyone else who was fired for such reason.`better equiped next time` It is better to educate yourself rather than get stubled and learn nothing and just wait for another stuble so I can investigate more." CreationDate="2012-04-24T23:59:31.137" UserId="522" />
  <row Id="422" PostId="191" Score="1" Text="continued ... If I were to take specific advice for myself, some of you suggestion would be right. I am asking this as *general* question not related to me. I am not solving my problem. I am educating myself and learning at the same time. Most importantly what you probably ignoring is this is `work related issue`. I know they can be quite odd and can be very specific to the OP, would that mean they should be closed, as too localized? I doubt it." CreationDate="2012-04-25T00:03:34.890" UserId="522" />
  <row Id="424" PostId="191" Score="1" Text="you are also ignoring the second part of the question `which ask about any thing an employee can do in such situation`. You want to look at the problem the way you want it. If you want to make it local, of course you can make it local. But the second point is really broad and can be question in itself." CreationDate="2012-04-25T00:10:19.407" UserId="522" />
  <row Id="425" PostId="191" Score="0" Text="`I am not solving my problem. I am educating myself and learning at the same time.` That's what makes the question unsuitable for The Workplace. Please read the FAQ, all questions here are expected to be about a practical problem you need solved. Nothing else. `It is better to educate yourself rather than get stubled and learn nothing and just wait for another stuble so I can investigate more` That's what I'm saying, that's what your question should have been: I was fired on my second day, don't know why, what can I do to be prepared next time?" CreationDate="2012-04-25T00:11:21.573" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="426" PostId="191" Score="0" Text="`you are also ignoring the second part of the question` I'm not ignoring it, it's unanswerable because we don't know why you were fired. This is not a forum, trying to build a generic list of guidelines that would apply to every possible reason you were fired is exactly why your question is unsuitable. Really broad is as bad as really local." CreationDate="2012-04-25T00:14:06.403" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="427" PostId="191" Score="1" Text="If you refer to my quotes, it will only lead you on the wrong track. The meaning of the question is embedded in the question itself, if you cannot grab it, quote my sentencing will not help. There question, you think it is too localized, not constructive, unanswerable. This question has already an accepted answer, people can relate to it and benefit from the answers. I think every one can be a judge here. None of the answer is local as far as I see it. That means the question is not local." CreationDate="2012-04-25T00:20:04.043" UserId="522" />
  <row Id="428" PostId="191" Score="0" Text="Also since you are pretty new here: You didn't do something wrong, we are only exploring if the question fits the site or not. Some things may sound a bit harsh, but we are trying not to repeat the same mistakes done in the past in all other Stack Exchange sites." CreationDate="2012-04-25T00:20:25.740" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="429" PostId="191" Score="0" Text="I will ask another question here and maybe you can answer it here." CreationDate="2012-04-25T00:22:48.237" UserId="522" />
  <row Id="488" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="Yes and no. Everything you say makes perfect sense, but The Workplace is kind of special as it was proposed specifically to counteract closures of career related questions on ProgSE. It certainly isn't as much OffTopic.ProgSE as NPR was OffTopic.SO, but it was advertised like a place where a lot of crap questions would belong. Furthermore the site doesn't really have a well defined set of experts, I have absolutely no idea what qualifies someone to be an expert on navigating the workplace." CreationDate="2012-04-27T06:46:05.567" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="489" PostId="192" Score="0" Text="(cont...) The site already has quality problems, two weeks in, and I think it will benefit greatly from firm moderation. I'd hate to see it fail, and I'm certainly hoping my alarmist position is completely unjustified, but insofar it doesn't look good. And I thought Astronomy looked good." CreationDate="2012-04-27T06:48:33.177" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="465" PostId="193" Score="0" Text="Your edit has brought the question back on topic but invalidated the answer you have already accepted.  Do you plan to address that?" CreationDate="2012-04-25T23:41:54.353" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="466" PostId="193" Score="0" Text="@Chad, what I really wanted to ask is `Is is acceptable to fire someone on second day`. But looks like I wont be able to post that question. I am still happy with the accepted answer. I wanted to bring the question in a format that complies with the site." CreationDate="2012-04-26T01:07:56.307" UserId="522" />
  <row Id="468" PostId="193" Score="0" Text="The problem is that answer does not really answer the current question." CreationDate="2012-04-26T04:19:48.673" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="434" PostId="195" Score="0" Text="rephrased my question btw. I am not sure if it is still in the scope though." CreationDate="2012-04-25T04:08:49.407" UserId="522" />
  <row Id="435" PostId="195" Score="0" Text="@rocketscience Your edit doesn't change things - this *type* of firing question is a bad fit because there's nothing we can do for you here.  If you want to know ***why*** you have to ask the person who fired you (unanswerable, also the sad fact is most employment is at will so you can be fired (or quit) for virtually any reason, or no for reason). If you want to know what your recourses are you need to review your employment contract (Too Localized) and/or local employment laws (We Aren't Lawyers).  If you want advice on how to spin it I'd open a new question." CreationDate="2012-04-25T04:14:37.167" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="436" PostId="195" Score="0" Text="Lets agree on firing questions and delete it if it is out of scope." CreationDate="2012-04-25T04:19:42.200" UserId="522" />
  <row Id="467" PostId="195" Score="1" Text="@rocketscience - it is not the firing that is out of scope.  It is the whining rant that is out of scope." CreationDate="2012-04-26T04:17:59.297" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="438" PostId="196" Score="3" Text="There is absolutely no relation between the number of upvotes / answers and whether the question should be closed or not (a lot of answers _might_ be a hint that the question is poor, but just a hint). I up vote and vote to close quite oftenly, the question may be great and still not suitable for the site." CreationDate="2012-04-25T06:31:48.773" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="439" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="That's fine. But anyway - i would appreciate that you answer the question." CreationDate="2012-04-25T07:04:20.667" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="440" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="I'm writing my answer, give me a couple of minutes ;)" CreationDate="2012-04-25T07:06:58.260" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="451" PostId="196" Score="2" Text="for &quot;Is it acceptable to decline a team lunch?&quot; the actual question is &quot;How can I politely decline without looking like a non-team player?&quot; which makes it on topic." CreationDate="2012-04-25T12:58:19.697" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="452" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="@Chad I edited that team lunch Q's title, I thought I already had. Title/body now match" CreationDate="2012-04-25T13:10:23.813" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="454" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - Personally I am ok with the old title so long as the actual question being asked is constructive. Though the new title does solve the problem of &quot;But he did it so its not fair for you not to let me&quot; arguements." CreationDate="2012-04-25T13:12:44.703" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="455" PostId="196" Score="0" Text="@Chad IMO &quot;Can I&quot; is rarely as useful a question as &quot;how can I&quot;, plus the actual question *was* about how, so..." CreationDate="2012-04-25T14:09:05.957" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="442" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="Lovely! I think this clarifies everything to me at least." CreationDate="2012-04-25T07:47:57.100" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="443" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="This is definitely a case of &quot;it depends on the specific question&quot; - Most of the questions that got closed were Truly Bad Questions. The ones which were OK questions had devolved into ME-TOO! answer contests (with no mods to lock them closing-but-not-deleting is the most humane solution to stop the flood of worthless answers)." CreationDate="2012-04-25T07:50:05.360" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="444" PostId="197" Score="1" Text="@DipanMehta One thing I forgot: It's always a judgement call, and that's why it takes five highish rep users to agree that the question is unsuitable, there's no black and white here. And although people may think that moderators act on their own because you only see one name on the close notification, we do consult each other often before closing a question." CreationDate="2012-04-25T07:52:18.457" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="445" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 You love locking ;) but I don't think network wide locking is used as it is on SF, for a simple reason, it's a mod only thingy. Ideally the community should be protecting the questions using the available tools, and that's mostly vtc, and mods should only intervene when absolutely necessary. If vtc is good enough to protect a question from becoming a crapfest, no reason to drag the mods into it." CreationDate="2012-04-25T07:55:11.407" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="446" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos I'm a big advocate of other methods of protecting questions only because of the common fate of closed questions: as sites grow `[closed]` seems to evolve from &quot;Everyone lay off until we fix it&quot; into &quot;This question is crap. Don't bother looking unless you're coming to throw delete votes on it&quot; - they don't get fixed/reopened, and the closed questions on [established sites](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/search?q=closed%3A1) are a monument to that.)  VtC is the tool we have right now, so it's what we use. Long-term it just feels like driving a screw with a hammer to me." CreationDate="2012-04-25T08:05:41.780" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="447" PostId="197" Score="1" Text="Having posted that long-winded explanation, I will say that if we as a site take care of our closed questions (fix the fixable, delete the junk so `[closed]` doesn't become a dirty place) I'm all for it being used to community-protect questions. Locking/protecting stuff to keep spammers and morons away *with the frequency this site currently needs it* would be incredibly annoying!" CreationDate="2012-04-25T08:11:27.420" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="448" PostId="197" Score="2" Text="@voretaq7 Programmers is not a good example, the scope change scarred the site forever. I'm not arguing against locking, what I really want is to solve the actual problem, community apathy on closed questions, and I don't see how changing the protection mechanism will solve that problem. As a [compulsive editor](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/users?tab=editors&amp;filter=all) I just think locking will ultimately prove counter intuitive, as you can't edit a locked post. We need to inspire a culture of improving, instead of looking for other tools (imho)." CreationDate="2012-04-25T08:13:00.097" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="449" PostId="197" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos I agree that community apathy/being jaded about `[closed]` is the real problem. Programmers may not be the best example, but it's not unique: `[closed`] on the trilogy is a trainwreck, [Apple is OK - mostly dups &amp; shopping](http://apple.stackexchange.com/search?q=closed%3A1), [AskUbuntu is a mess](http://askubuntu.com/search?q=closed%3A1), [English](http://english.stackexchange.com/search?q=closed%3A1) is pretty clean, and [DIY](http://diy.stackexchange.com/search?q=closed%3A1) is pretty icky (search glitch made 'em look good before)" CreationDate="2012-04-25T08:21:23.290" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="453" PostId="198" Score="0" Text="`Build up one good question on the subject, then any future questions that ask the same thing can be closed as duplicates, and point users to an excellent reference.` That would be a good idea if this was a reference site. It's not." CreationDate="2012-04-25T13:10:48.757" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="474" PostId="198" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos If the site is not supposed to be a reference site, then why do we try and make all questions be written in such a manner that they'd be useful to others seeking the same answer? We're not an encyclopedia, however we do advocate sharing existing knowledge instead of repeating ourselves" CreationDate="2012-04-26T13:45:49.893" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="461" PostId="200" Score="0" Text="Rachel, by the time i saw this the question is already in a good edited shape. I tried giving first cut in editing but the successive  editing were quite great. The question now looks really good and useful." CreationDate="2012-04-25T19:09:40.260" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="462" PostId="200" Score="0" Text="Keep up the good work! You are keeping up on the word that we must attempt to salvage every question when we find it misfit. This is a great (second) example!" CreationDate="2012-04-25T19:10:36.687" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="457" PostId="201" Score="1" Text="I was thinking about an edit along the same lines, but I wanted to be sure that was the only problem with the question and that it would be OK to reopen afterwards" CreationDate="2012-04-25T16:06:06.793" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="456" PostId="202" Score="0" Text="But the question isn't &quot;where should I add these links to my resume?&quot;, it's &quot;should I add these links to my resume?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-04-25T16:05:13.063" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="458" PostId="202" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - No that is what the question should be.  The question is &quot;I want to know  if it's a good practice to do the same.&quot;  - The wording matters.  The &quot;In what cases, recruiters will appreciate it? In what case this becomes detrimental?&quot; is not constructive and needs to go.  It is calling for speculation and anecdotes." CreationDate="2012-04-25T16:09:47.663" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="459" PostId="202" Score="4" Text="@Chad Actually, whether or not including or not including a certain section of information for purposes of advancing through the hiring sequence is very much on-topic.  If it's not, then now *I* don't know what this site is about." CreationDate="2012-04-25T17:12:51.327" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="460" PostId="202" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni - That is not the question asked though.  Should &quot;I&quot; Put it on is different than is it a good general practice." CreationDate="2012-04-25T17:58:24.063" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="463" PostId="202" Score="1" Text="@Chad I agree with that. So, editing the question to make it a general question is *not* what we're trying to do?" CreationDate="2012-04-25T19:38:51.797" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="464" PostId="202" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni - If making it more general helps open the question up with out changing the question or making it nonconstructive then sure.  But just going more general for the sake of being more general then no.  Sometimes a more focused approach is right." CreationDate="2012-04-25T21:43:54.390" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="486" PostId="202" Score="1" Text="@jcmeloni Making a question applicable to a wider audience is good. Cannibalizing a question to be something quite different than the OP meant is not, remember when editing we must always respect the original author, even if that means that the question should stay closed. Changing a question too much means we probably won't be able to provide clarifications on it, we can change wording, fix syntax and grammar but changing intent is always icky. Salvaging for salvaging's sake is not the way to go." CreationDate="2012-04-27T06:10:24.193" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="487" PostId="202" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni (cont...) When there's a great question hidden in a poor question, we should prompt the OP and guide them on how they should fix it. Grammar, spelling, formatting we can all do, without any second thought, but the OP should always be included when we change the focus, we can close and comment or ping them in chat, or even bring the question on Meta. It doesn't matter which, what matters is that we can't go gung ho and take full ownership of the question. And it's always a bit more complicated when there are already answers, then you have to think whether you should invalidate them." CreationDate="2012-04-27T06:16:14.717" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="469" PostId="204" Score="2" Text="Sounds reasonable. Basically, I think a &quot;How can I do X&quot; question is always going to be better than &quot;What are some resources for X&quot;, and may still get some of the same resource links but with more full answers." CreationDate="2012-04-26T04:52:35.227" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="471" PostId="204" Score="0" Text="I am ok with a request for references to specific studies since generally they are a much smaller dataset assuming its not something like anything that every had to do with the workplace.  Generally the question should be focused on a specific problem and have a reason for needing the reference.  IE to provide as support to management per their process." CreationDate="2012-04-26T12:50:01.233" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="473" PostId="204" Score="1" Text="`Focused question` or `specific problem` is not sufficient condition. See [this](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/889/is-there-a-canonical-reference-for-technical-resumes) question for example. Not quite useful." CreationDate="2012-04-26T13:10:39.703" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="475" PostId="204" Score="1" Text="@Chad It depends on the question, but I'm generally OK with someone stating in their question that they would like some kind of evidence/study/etc. to back up answers (like you said, you often need it to convince your manager you're right).  In some cases though *questions on Workplace* might actually become the references, especially if the site does well :-)" CreationDate="2012-04-26T18:02:38.263" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="472" PostId="205" Score="3" Text="You can add your ideas for better graphics/design [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/104/316), however they won't get implemented until after the site leaves beta" CreationDate="2012-04-26T12:51:11.787" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="478" PostId="205" Score="5" Text="::marches up and down Meta with a `BRING-BACK-SKETCHY` sign:: :-)" CreationDate="2012-04-26T18:45:30.243" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="482" PostId="206" Score="1" Text="All well and good, but unless you point us to some actual questions that you think were mistreated, this just a rant." CreationDate="2012-04-27T00:03:05.073" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="483" PostId="206" Score="3" Text="@Yannis, I see more than just a rant here. Examples are always helpful, but I also see principles, analysis, conclusions and advice. Maybe you don't agree with it, but it's not just a rant." CreationDate="2012-04-27T00:51:42.783" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="484" PostId="206" Score="0" Text="@NickC No, sorry, I just don't see it. `If you see a good question badly written, and have time to edit it, please do so, but don't downvote and vote to close unless the actual question being asked is off-topic, undefined, or just plain bad.` That's an unfounded accusation as is the whole question: Insofar the close voters _are_ doing everything Rachel suggests, and most of them are going a step further than just doing the obvious (editing, commenting). There is no basis for anything in this question, this is a rant, with some good (but redundant) advice in it." CreationDate="2012-04-27T00:58:10.153" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="485" PostId="206" Score="1" Text="@NickC However, with a couple of solid examples, this will be a potentially very helpful Meta discussion." CreationDate="2012-04-27T00:59:59.090" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="511" PostId="206" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - cut across all history. Today's fresh example: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1029/is-it-professional-to-cut-out-a-middle-man-in-a-contract-chain See the close votes? Explain me why?" CreationDate="2012-04-27T22:04:54.983" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="513" PostId="206" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta You've opened a separate question, and you got several answers. That's how it should be done, the community seems to think the question is on topic, and if it gets a drive by close vote it will be re-opened asap (now that we have your Meta question to point to). However that's not the same as passively aggressively accusing everyone who voted to close. You did the right thing here, Rachel has a lot to learn from you." CreationDate="2012-04-27T22:28:45.807" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="517" PostId="206" Score="3" Text="How it is being asked matters." CreationDate="2012-04-28T04:23:35.443" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="526" PostId="206" Score="0" Text="I think it's more effective to address the behavior directly, than to keep creating meta posts about specific questions one at a time. This is something I've noticed in a few users only, but a few is all it takes to close questions." CreationDate="2012-04-30T12:40:53.090" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="476" PostId="208" Score="2" Text="If you ask &quot;what is your favorite book on design pattern?&quot;, you'll get an onslaught of down votes, but if you ask [&quot;Is there a canonical book on design patterns?&quot;](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/124109/is-there-a-canonical-book-on-design-patterns) you'd be on topic (ok, if you ask it now it'd be closed as a dupe). We welcome [some book questions](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/2003/are-book-recommendations-on-topic), but they have to be about specialized topics, not just what's your favourite..." CreationDate="2012-04-26T18:38:44.053" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="479" PostId="208" Score="1" Text="My big problem with lists is when they get out of date.  Some &quot;give me a reference&quot; questions will never have that problem (the way *K&amp;R* is ***THE*** reference book for C, or *Parkinson's Law* is/should be required reading for all managers), others will.  Solid references are an exception to the guideline." CreationDate="2012-04-26T18:58:13.660" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="669" PostId="209" Score="3" Text="This should totally be the background of our community bulletin...if it can be made readable" CreationDate="2012-05-13T20:18:29.253" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="490" PostId="213" Score="2" Text="What is *local* about CompanyA contracting CompanyB? This can happen anywhere?  BTW: the flags (the first 2) didn't say *too localized* - they say *off-topic*!" CreationDate="2012-04-27T11:34:24.287" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="492" PostId="213" Score="2" Text="Your edits does make the question better - essentially the title was lousy i agree. However, we must all realize that we are here to build good content, any chance to improve content should be attempted over just dumping questions on the *closure* dustbin.  Thanks for the edit, and let's aim to make this site a great place." CreationDate="2012-04-27T11:44:47.863" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="494" PostId="213" Score="0" Text="That's the spirit! Many Thanks ..." CreationDate="2012-04-27T11:48:20.993" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="496" PostId="213" Score="3" Text="@Chad - If there were a way to [rescind close votes](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/915/138432) I would agree more. Alas the hysteresis in the close/reopen cycle means that once a question is closed, it becomes very difficult to gather enough support to reopen it, even if the question has been *substantially* improved." CreationDate="2012-04-27T12:36:58.097" UserId="148" />
  <row Id="497" PostId="213" Score="0" Text="@MarkBooth If it gets closed you can just flag a moderator and ask them to reopen it considering the recent edits made to improve the question since." CreationDate="2012-04-27T13:02:54.150" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="498" PostId="213" Score="0" Text="@maple_shaft - I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but I really try to be sparing in my use of moderator flags. I guess it's better to bring things that need highlighting to the attention of moderators, but I hate to take up their valuable time unless I'm *sure* it will add value." CreationDate="2012-04-27T13:11:56.183" UserId="148" />
  <row Id="516" PostId="213" Score="1" Text="@MarkBooth As a moderator on Server Fault I would say ***flag away***!  Right now our mods are the community team, and they *are* pretty busy, but glancing at flags and making a quick decision to act or ignore doesn't take long.  If you become a nuisance they'll tell you :)" CreationDate="2012-04-27T22:53:17.327" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="510" PostId="214" Score="2" Text="Not sure ties would work well in 16px" CreationDate="2012-04-27T21:31:32.727" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="508" PostId="217" Score="2" Text="If anything we need particularly rigid moderators on this site because there's a very good potential for this site to crush itself under the weight of bad subjective questions." CreationDate="2012-04-27T21:30:05.303" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="514" PostId="217" Score="2" Text="`And this is meta! Where we are supposed to be able to discuss these things` Discussions are perfectly fine. Unfounded accusations are not, this is not what Meta is about. Also Programmers doesn't suffer at all, thank you very much. Our statistics (the real ones) show a steady growth, and our overall quality is rising, thanks to a very dedicated group of regular users who silently do the minimal effort required cleaning the crap. Don't be fooled by the few crickets that enjoy making noise, it's quite easy to check who actually does edit and improve and who just likes the sound of their voices." CreationDate="2012-04-27T22:35:01.010" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2712" PostId="217" Score="0" Text="Who voted to delete this answer?" CreationDate="2013-06-12T20:29:46.197" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="518" PostId="218" Score="1" Text="Contractors are professionals" CreationDate="2012-04-28T04:27:51.680" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="499" PostId="219" Score="3" Text="+1 I'm having difficulty imagining a question that would fit the site, but that someone couldn't make a case to close.  It seems to be an exercise in modturbation -- attract &quot;crap&quot; questions, then close/delete them and congratulate ourselves for what great Defenders of the Internet we are." CreationDate="2012-04-27T15:11:28.470" UserId="375" />
  <row Id="512" PostId="219" Score="3" Text="@JohnMcG There's crap and there's *crap*. Good questions written poorly should be getting edited/reopened where possible. If they aren't, dive in and edit, then open a meta post or mention it in chat.  ***True Crap*** needs to be thrown back over the wall - and we do have some true crap." CreationDate="2012-04-27T22:20:22.377" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="527" PostId="219" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 I agree we definitely have some &quot;true-crap&quot;, however I don't think that was what pap was referring to. Glad you made the distinction :)" CreationDate="2012-04-30T13:12:58.340" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="17482" PostId="219" Score="0" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because the question is obsolete. &quot;Not Constructive&quot; is no longer a close reason." CreationDate="2018-12-17T22:07:41.880" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="533" PostId="220" Score="6" Text="Well stated. I'll reiterate that there are plenty of discussion forums on this subject. We are here to create something better; to *solve* the problems prevalent in most open discussion forums -- Not to duplicate them. If you **cannot** forgo the discussions covered under *&quot;Not Constructive&quot;* and **[Good Subjective, Bad Subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/)**, there's no reason to have this site. I think calls to *&quot;relax the Q&amp;A format requirements&quot;* would be a death knell to this site." CreationDate="2012-04-30T18:33:02.217" UserId="153" />
  <row Id="534" PostId="220" Score="1" Text="@RobertCartaino I wish we could put that front and center on the site.  I believe in this SE And in SE in general for making the internet better.  And I feel bad that important questions get closed not constructive because people are asking for what they feel instead of what they need to know to help them." CreationDate="2012-04-30T19:46:09.947" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="545" PostId="220" Score="2" Text="It's a tough sell... to tell people (and have them understand) that &quot;your question is perfectly legitimate but not necessarily a good fit for *this* type of Q&amp;A.&quot; That's why education and guiding users with thoughtful comments (and meta posts) is so important." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:11:58.400" UserId="153" />
  <row Id="528" PostId="221" Score="1" Text="That quote references `answers`, not `questions`. Questions do not have to involve &quot;facts, references, or specific expertise&quot;, providing it is clear what is being asked, and the question is on-topic for the site." CreationDate="2012-04-30T13:15:57.073" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="529" PostId="221" Score="0" Text="I agree that this close reason needs to be kept around though for things like polls and truly not-constructive questions." CreationDate="2012-04-30T13:16:04.060" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="570" PostId="221" Score="0" Text="One thing that bugs me with NC is that it's oftenly misused instead of NARQ, which better applies to overly broad and/or vague questions. Quickly glanced through our closed questions and I think there are a few that should have been closed as NARQ instead of NC." CreationDate="2012-05-01T03:38:12.257" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="500" PostId="222" Score="2" Text="&quot;In general, SE format says no opinions. Period&quot;  &#xA;&#xA;The SE format was not brought down from Moses after being dictated to him by God, as some commentary on the metas suggests. This is a new site, with a community that will establish rules." CreationDate="2012-04-27T20:12:27.183" UserId="375" />
  <row Id="501" PostId="222" Score="1" Text="sorry. but i didn't understand the implication." CreationDate="2012-04-27T20:14:11.097" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="502" PostId="222" Score="0" Text="`The cardinal-nephew problem is quite common in Greece` Yes you're right, I'm not providing any references, but if you remove that sentence all together the question doesn't change, does it?" CreationDate="2012-04-27T20:17:51.290" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="503" PostId="222" Score="1" Text="I'm challenging the notion that the SE format is some etched-in-stone sacred text that is suitable for application in all contexts." CreationDate="2012-04-27T20:26:37.480" UserId="375" />
  <row Id="504" PostId="222" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - i am making the same point as you are saying. The question is perfect because that sentence is not really biasing the question. It *is* a good question." CreationDate="2012-04-27T20:30:21.280" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="505" PostId="222" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta No, that part of the question is not good, I consciously put it in to get some cheap up votes (people love rhetorics) - remember we may be vigilant when we discuss the site, but that doesn't mean we aren't only human..." CreationDate="2012-04-27T20:35:59.007" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="506" PostId="222" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - you didn't quite mange to grab so many votes (unlike how i did in my answer of the piracy question!) .. but jokes apart, my point is it serves as a reasonable background and just that - so it is fine. If you would have started that as `i am observing nepotism in my office` would have been just equally fine." CreationDate="2012-04-27T20:43:37.550" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="507" PostId="222" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta I know, I need to ask a couple of bikeshed trivial questions and harvest the sweet rep. I think when we get our moderators I'll start trolling them immediately with populist questions, that'd be fun ;)" CreationDate="2012-04-27T20:47:16.527" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="515" PostId="224" Score="1" Text="I'm not referring to questions where you can't tell what is being asked, but rather questions which are asked using phrases like &quot;Is it best practice...&quot; or &quot;Is this fair...&quot;, which I have seen some conversations where people say those phrases make a bad question" CreationDate="2012-04-27T22:40:39.230" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="519" PostId="224" Score="3" Text="@Rachel We have absolutely no idea to what questions you're referring to as you didn't provide a single example. Please edit your question to tell us exactly what you're referring too, otherwise this just seems like vague on purpose, so everytime someone points the flaws in your premise you can say stuff like &quot;ah, but I wasn't referring to that&quot;. A couple of actual examples however will protect your question even from the most cynical bastards out there..." CreationDate="2012-04-28T05:28:38.497" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="530" PostId="225" Score="3" Text="It's certainly common for it to drop after the private beta, as everyone's very active and usually has a few questions already prepared. How *much* it usually drops I'm not sure, but it's my experience from another beta." CreationDate="2012-04-30T13:41:21.003" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="580" PostId="225" Score="1" Text="I think what I'm calling the Middle Ground problem is making asking questions here a bit difficult as well. I've started [a discussion on that matter](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/245/how-can-we-encourage-people-to-find-the-middle-ground)" CreationDate="2012-05-01T18:25:38.317" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="531" PostId="227" Score="2" Text="Note the Tag Wiki excerpt which clarifies it's meaning in our context" CreationDate="2012-04-30T13:49:45.657" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="613" PostId="229" Score="1" Text="I disagree, in the examples you cite, i would say it would be unprofessional not to inform about defects in products or about bad work conditions (because long term costs will be higher than short term gains). But I agree that there might be problems with ethical behaviour and professional behaviour (e. g. in decisions about firing people)." CreationDate="2012-05-03T07:52:24.783" UserId="114" />
  <row Id="524" PostId="230" Score="2" Text="Coincidentally this just showed up on Area51: [Are there any general guidelines how to improve the statistics of a site?](http://discuss.area51.stackexchange.com/questions/5041/are-there-any-general-guidelines-how-to-improve-the-statistics-of-a-site)" CreationDate="2012-04-30T04:54:59.760" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="525" PostId="230" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the comprehensive answer." CreationDate="2012-04-30T11:43:13.510" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="532" PostId="230" Score="1" Text="I agree that we shouldn't worry about this stat now, however disagree with `I think we should be concentrating on the overall quality of the site, and forget about the stats`. This is beta, which will determine if the site should exist or not. We need to show there is enough of an audience to validate the existence of the site, so quantity is very important this early on. We need users to ask questions before we can expect to attract experts to answer them. We should strive for `many questions with expert answers`, not `a few expert questions with expert answers`." CreationDate="2012-04-30T16:33:32.897" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="567" PostId="230" Score="0" Text="@Rachel Exactly the... wrong attitude. `We need to show there is enough of an audience to validate the existence of the site` I've provided two references where an SE employee says that quality &gt; quantity and somehow you know better what will keep the site alive?" CreationDate="2012-04-30T23:40:38.817" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="579" PostId="230" Score="1" Text="Quality is definitely more important than quantity.  However, if the means we use to improve quality harm the ability for users to ask questions (they don't know how, they can't think of any that &quot;fit&quot; our standards, etc.) then we could end up with a quantity problem.  I hesitate to start using words like &quot;smell&quot; and &quot;whining&quot;, I'd prefer to be more constructive rather than casting blame, but +1 overall." CreationDate="2012-05-01T16:51:11.553" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="605" PostId="232" Score="3" Text="@Dipan - it can be useful to have an &quot;out of hours&quot; moderator on a site, so don't let that stop you thinking about nominating yourself for moderator when the elections come round (which will be after the site graduates)." CreationDate="2012-05-02T11:38:53.270" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="573" PostId="235" Score="1" Text="Finally someone nominated themselves! Kudos for stepping up, that's a valuable trait for a moderator." CreationDate="2012-05-01T08:47:36.317" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="539" PostId="236" Score="0" Text="Related discussion (yes, it's pretty much a discussion) on Programmers Meta: [Do significant claims require evidence?](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/1968/do-significant-claims-require-evidence)" CreationDate="2012-04-30T20:05:43.083" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="568" PostId="236" Score="0" Text="@NickC Although that's a great discussion, I think we should avoid looking at ProgSE for examples. Don't get me wrong, you are a regular there and you probably know how much hopelessly in love I am with the site, but you also know that the scope change left a permanent scar, and that's echoed in several Meta discussions. Let's look elsewhere for examples, and fallback to ProgSE when we don't find any better." CreationDate="2012-05-01T00:19:04.690" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="571" PostId="236" Score="0" Text="@Yannis Fair enough. Though, I'm not really suggesting following any advice anywhere else -- I just think the discussion points have relevance." CreationDate="2012-05-01T03:39:01.727" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="535" PostId="237" Score="1" Text="Please *actually* explain your objection to this rule, it seems to have *nothing* to do with it's intent or intended enforcement. Expecting people to actually state why they believe X is effective is the *exact opposite* of &quot;I am qualified to answer all questions ever&quot;. I want to know *why* this wouldn't work... **back it up**." CreationDate="2012-04-30T19:49:19.610" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="536" PostId="237" Score="1" Text="I get the intent.  My problem is that adding an anecdote does not help solve our quality issue it makes it worse and adds to the noise because now everyone with an anecdote feels the need to chime in with theirs" CreationDate="2012-04-30T19:51:50.953" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="537" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="What's stopping them from doing exactly that now? Because people are. How on earth would this encourage that behavior?" CreationDate="2012-04-30T19:52:41.213" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="538" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="If we want to lock it down like skeptics and require references to all claims then it can work, though I am not in favor of that.  Anecdotal evidence is not a way to make this better." CreationDate="2012-04-30T19:58:10.620" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="540" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="You're either going to have facts backed up by references or opinions backed up by anecdotes.  I don't see another option." CreationDate="2012-04-30T20:19:27.597" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="541" PostId="237" Score="3" Text="**Solid** anecdotal evidence can be OK: &quot;My company did this, it backfired and all their talent left. I would suggest doing `this other thing` instead&quot; could be a good answer to some question.  The *problem you're trying to solve* is worthless me-too answers, which can only be solved by downvoting them away (or once we have mods, blasting them into the pit of deletion).  It's a separate issue from people posting completely unsubstantiated answers." CreationDate="2012-04-30T20:23:33.420" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="543" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="@JacobG We can restrict answers to Facts and Authorative opinions shared by experts as posted on the interwebs.  Which is only slightly better than allowing anecdotes but we then just become a human powered google reinterpreter." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:02:43.220" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="563" PostId="237" Score="0" Text="@voretaq7 - I hear the same thing said about Agile regularly.  The problem is not that the attempted solution was Agile it was the implementation.  That is my big problem with anecdotes.  We take an experience, drawn out our own opinion of what the problem was, then cite that as fact.  We usually slant it in a way that ignores the things that we personally did wrong and paint an ugly picture of our rival in the process." CreationDate="2012-04-30T22:16:40.510" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="547" PostId="239" Score="1" Text="As one of Beofett's fellow parenting.SE mods, I agree with what he's said here 100%. The Back-It-Up FAQ entry is aimed pretty squarely at &quot;I've never been involved with that, but I think you should do X&quot; &quot;answers&quot;. It encourages them to find an authoritative reason for their recommendation. Or shutup if they can't find anything that backs their opinion. :)" CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:19:37.487" UserId="642" />
  <row Id="548" PostId="239" Score="0" Text="Oh, and @beofett, I don't have the rep here to edit you, but you can drop the &quot;As far as I'm aware&quot;, that has been in our FAQ since day 1." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:20:35.330" UserId="642" />
  <row Id="555" PostId="239" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the input Beofett and @cabbey. I went and made that edit for you." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:44:51.103" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="565" PostId="239" Score="1" Text="@Beofett - I think there is more of a conscience when it comes to messing up a childs live versus messing up some *schmuck* on the interwebs who may not be smart enough to make their own decision about their work life.  It is cold and cruel but I think true." CreationDate="2012-04-30T22:47:22.000" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="572" PostId="239" Score="0" Text="Hmm... On one hand, I like the &quot;we do not enforce this rigidly&quot; approach - otherwise things would just get ridiculous. On the other hand, if it's only used as a reason to remove/downvote answers that are bad due to other factors, what's the point?" CreationDate="2012-05-01T06:19:52.167" UserId="34" />
  <row Id="574" PostId="239" Score="0" Text="@weronika It's not really used as a reason to downvote answers. Instead, its used to educate users *why* their posts were downvoted. Adding a comment explaining a downvote, with a citation of the appropriate rule comes across as far less arbitrary than &quot;I didn't like your post&quot; or no comment at all. We find that it leads to a higher rate of improvement for users who post low quality answers." CreationDate="2012-05-01T11:54:50.840" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="542" PostId="240" Score="0" Text="Note I think that a back-it-up requirement may have merit for *other* reasons, I just don't think it's the right solution to ***this*** problem." CreationDate="2012-04-30T20:42:38.853" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="544" PostId="241" Score="2" Text="It seems to me that there'd be an approximately equivalent amount of science available for the workplace and for parenting. Child development is a huge and multidisciplinary field of study. In both cases, however, there are going to be questions for which there aren't scientific studies that provide the answers. As I see it, there are three possible routes for those questions: 1) Leave them unanswered. 2) Permit/encourage answers with nothing backing them up other than the answerer's assertion. 3) Permit/encourage answers backed up by the answerer's experience. ..." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:11:14.423" UserId="10" />
  <row Id="546" PostId="241" Score="0" Text="... If you want to draw a line somewhere between &quot;anecdotes&quot; and &quot;*serious* experience,&quot; fine, though I think that might be the exact line you leave up to voting to determine. What I think ought to be required, though, where a citation is not available, is *some* explanation of where the answerer came up with this answer, where &quot;I tried this once, and it worked.&quot; and &quot;I've seen this both ways 1000 times in my role as a manager, and 90% of the time, the first way works.&quot; are both valid answers *that can be evaluated by the community*, unlike unbacked-up raw opinion." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:14:34.747" UserId="10" />
  <row Id="549" PostId="241" Score="0" Text="@IsaacMoses The first is worthless. The second is worthwhile." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:23:08.470" UserId="208" />
  <row Id="550" PostId="241" Score="0" Text="it sounds like you agree with &quot;Back it up&quot; in principle, and you're specifying what sort of statement of experience ought to count." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:28:16.430" UserId="10" />
  <row Id="551" PostId="241" Score="0" Text="@IsaacMoses My opening sentence should make it clear that I agree." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:32:07.663" UserId="208" />
  <row Id="552" PostId="241" Score="0" Text="Indeed, it does. But your closing line seems to indicate the opposite." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:33:58.577" UserId="10" />
  <row Id="554" PostId="241" Score="0" Text="@IsaacMoses I support having a “back it up” rule, but not in the sense of [parenting.se] (I think it would be useless if not counterproductive, for the reasons [Chad highlights in another thread](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/236/how-can-we-enforce-quality-standards-without-adding-to-the-faq/237#237))." CreationDate="2012-04-30T21:42:13.360" UserId="208" />
  <row Id="561" PostId="241" Score="0" Text="@Giles - How can I prove that I have 20 years of IT Experience?  Does my 20 years of IT Experience mean that I know the difference between and Interface and an Abstract method?  I know these are off topic but they point to the problem with requiring serious experience.  How do you prove you fit that requirement?" CreationDate="2012-04-30T22:12:29.390" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="562" PostId="241" Score="1" Text="@Chad Which is why I'd prefer citations." CreationDate="2012-04-30T22:15:56.080" UserId="208" />
  <row Id="564" PostId="241" Score="1" Text="@gilles - The problem is it can be quite a bit of work to dig up references on problems you have already dealt with and know the answer to.  So if &quot;serious experience&quot; is an acceptable alternative to a citation people will overwhelmingly choose to go with the &quot;serious experience&quot; which will look a lot like what we have now unless we have some criteria requirement to that." CreationDate="2012-04-30T22:44:43.827" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="643" PostId="241" Score="2" Text="Direct on topic workplace experience as answer backup is totally relevant.&#xA;&#xA;It will greatly decrease the value of this site if experienced professionals are not permitted to answer based on their personal experience.&#xA;&#xA;Isn't this a site for working professionals, not just academics?" CreationDate="2012-05-08T22:54:59.693" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="569" PostId="242" Score="0" Text="`I don't think it's easy.` That's the key, there's no easy way out. At one hand the site is naturally attractive to soft questions at the other we want quality answers, as light on opinion as possible. And your last paragraph is exactly what newer members fail to understand and we should re-iterate every chance we get: Close and down votes are just a part of the peer review system, there's nothing inherently wrong with them and sometimes a close / down vote can be the nicest thing you can do, if it does indeed get people to look closely to a question they might otherwise miss." CreationDate="2012-05-01T00:24:15.853" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="578" PostId="243" Score="1" Text="I regret that I have but one +1 to give to this answer." CreationDate="2012-05-01T14:46:17.357" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="581" PostId="245" Score="0" Text="Too broad to be answerable == Not a real question (most of the times). Not constructive is [something else entirely](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/130222/162704)." CreationDate="2012-05-01T18:25:48.970" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="582" PostId="245" Score="1" Text="@YannisRizos they're sort of married in the problem questions we've had, if you ask a broad question about &quot;is X appropriate&quot;, there's no way to tell which answer is most applicable." CreationDate="2012-05-01T18:29:40.410" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="583" PostId="245" Score="2" Text="Regardless of the close reason though, this is about how well defined the question is. I'm not including totally 100% NC things like straight up polls/recommendations. (stupid editing window)" CreationDate="2012-05-01T18:35:43.563" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="585" PostId="245" Score="0" Text="Not disagreeing with you, but people tend to vtc as NC when NARQ applies, and for the few people that actually bother to read the close notification it may be completely misleading as to why their question was closed." CreationDate="2012-05-01T18:52:48.670" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="589" PostId="245" Score="6" Text="I would post an answer, but I suspect you wouldn't like it :) My answer would be that the majority of these things are valid workplace questions, and shouldn't be closed. If someone has a question about the workplace, we want them to come here and ask it. If they have to sit around for a long time trying to figure out how to write the question in a way that's not too localized nor too broad so it won't get it closed, then we're failing our users. Crack down on the questions that are truly bad or off-topic, and let the rest stay." CreationDate="2012-05-01T19:10:46.923" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="596" PostId="245" Score="0" Text="@Rachel Right on the money." CreationDate="2012-05-01T19:24:43.663" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="606" PostId="245" Score="0" Text="@maple_shaft Thanks. Since that comment got 3 votes, I guess I'll expand it to an actual answer, although its probably going to get downvoted... :)" CreationDate="2012-05-02T15:00:33.187" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="616" PostId="245" Score="0" Text="I agree with @Rachel.  A new person comes here, asks a legitimate question, and someone swoops in and closes it as either too local or too broad, or too subjective.&#xA;&#xA;The face is that &gt;most&lt; workplace related question have significant subjective elements, and reflect the local experience of the questioner.  People won't enjoy having to play these word games to try and morph a question about human relationships into something that looks like a SO overflow question about C++ templates." CreationDate="2012-05-03T20:46:43.853" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="595" PostId="247" Score="1" Text="@Chad I don't care about getting &quot;shot down&quot;.  I am a big boy, I can handle it.  I literally do struggle to think of a good question to ask, even if it DOESN'T pertain to me." CreationDate="2012-05-01T19:23:32.150" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="597" PostId="247" Score="1" Text="@Chad What maple_shaft said. Also a big boy, _really_ accustomed to closures and without any fear of them, but all my workplace related questions are not answerable by a bunch of random people on the internet." CreationDate="2012-05-01T19:26:04.587" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="598" PostId="249" Score="1" Text="Thanks! This will be fun (and useful to THE WORLD and so on)..." CreationDate="2012-05-01T22:46:54.910" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="607" PostId="250" Score="0" Text="But the edits have now brought it around to not constructive again" CreationDate="2012-05-02T15:42:10.767" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="608" PostId="250" Score="0" Text="This has turned into quite the debate in the chat room, should anyone care to join us." CreationDate="2012-05-02T16:20:47.080" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="628" PostId="250" Score="0" Text="I actually disagree on the question being closed &quot;too early&quot;. It's never too early to close a question. This actually gives the community time to edit and improve it *before* it gets answers that may make it not make sense to change the question anymore. Closing is kind of a way to say &quot;no answers yet please! We're still trying to write a great question.&quot; I think it's important for everyone to understand that closing isn't a permanent action. It just means there's more editing that needs to be done to possibly reopen the question." CreationDate="2012-05-07T06:10:21.943" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="629" PostId="250" Score="0" Text="With that said, if you think that question can be salvaged, you should totally edit it and make it a good question, then flag it to see if we can reopen it. :)" CreationDate="2012-05-07T06:14:03.983" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="611" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="Well why don't you write it? I've read the Skeptics one, we can &quot;borrow&quot; a lot, and you can start a discussion in chat for what we could include and get others to chip in (I can help during the weekend). But there's little to discuss here, yes it would be helpful, start writing. ;)" CreationDate="2012-05-02T23:40:55.070" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="614" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos I'd be happy to help write it, but want to make sure this was something Workplace.SE wants first. Also, I'd like some help writing it.... I never did like writing :)" CreationDate="2012-05-03T12:14:05.347" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="615" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="`we can &quot;borrow&quot; a lot` &lt;wink&gt;" CreationDate="2012-05-03T12:15:06.673" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="622" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="Do we have anything productive to tell new users yet?" CreationDate="2012-05-04T19:12:24.487" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="624" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="@Rarity I think so. The post could introduce SE in general and how it differs from forums, including what makes a good question, how to write good subjective questions, and how/when to write good answers (i.e. your back-it-up rule, don't repeat other answers, don't post just because you have a similar experience, etc). I'd also want to add a paragraph or so addressing why we downvote/close questions, and not to take it personally. We can always edit it later if we think it needs more" CreationDate="2012-05-04T19:24:15.943" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="625" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="Actually with our broad appeal a post introducing SE in general might not be a bad idea" CreationDate="2012-05-04T19:55:04.470" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="646" PostId="252" Score="0" Text="I'm trying yo get a start for this potential post here: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/261/how-do-we-define-constructive-on-this-site" CreationDate="2012-05-10T16:56:37.617" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="623" PostId="253" Score="0" Text="I have been tempted to vote not a real question. I think he is posing a false dilemma.  I tried guiding him to a better question but he wanted no part of it.  Any research into what he is suggesting is likely to have been done by a private firm and the results are worth money.  They are not going to give it away and even the knowledge of them having the results is worth money so that isn't going to be given away." CreationDate="2012-05-04T19:20:41.417" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="617" PostId="254" Score="1" Text="What is the meaning of asking - &quot;I have this wonderful idea - has some scientist already invented it or proven that it wont work?&quot; While he himself has put no basis of research- why would an opinion based  question classify as constructive?" CreationDate="2012-05-04T15:31:36.577" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="618" PostId="254" Score="1" Text="@DipanMehta If you ignore the &quot;this is my own idea&quot; bit it's really a very simple assertion; I should network for breadth, not depth. Arguably a better question could be &quot;should I focus on breadth or depth&quot; but I prefer this more focused question. Since it's a simple and logical assertion I don't see a problem with it. If it was a totally oddball assertion it might require some backing up first." CreationDate="2012-05-04T15:40:31.353" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="619" PostId="254" Score="0" Text="No, i am just as fine with question. But i am here bringing in here strict definitions because too many other questions people did nitpicking. Question here - &quot;I think it is all about breadth -what do you think?&quot; - so clearly `this question will likely solicit opinion, debate, arguments, polling, or extended discussion.`" CreationDate="2012-05-04T15:44:23.427" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="620" PostId="254" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta Personally I think the question is OK because of the way it's phrased: The OP is looking for *citable works* to back up their theory/claim/opinion (or conversely to disprove it and set them straight).  An equivalent question over on Server Fault might be &quot;I think you should always configure swap space on a Linux machine. Is there any article/paper/mailing list thread I can point to that can authoritatively say *why*?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-05-04T16:24:55.803" UserId="164" />
  <row Id="621" PostId="254" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta he specifically mentions he wants facts, not debate or opinions." CreationDate="2012-05-04T16:31:17.000" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="626" PostId="254" Score="0" Text="There's a very fine line here, it's not that hard to masquerade any question to seem legitimate by asking for facts and references. In this instance I'm with @Rarity, the question is good (borderline, but the good kind), but we don't want to send the message that you can ask _anything_ provided you have a line at the end saying &quot;I want facts, not debate or opinions&quot;, it's the question itself that should be saying that." CreationDate="2012-05-05T12:22:57.877" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="627" PostId="254" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos well, if the claim was absurd or not answerable it would become NarQ" CreationDate="2012-05-06T16:59:38.350" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="6679" PostId="255" Score="0" Text="MSE request for a feature that looks like a perfect fit to enforce Don't Repeat Others rule: [Vote to delete answers as duplicates of earlier answers](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/243243/165773)" CreationDate="2014-11-08T23:12:18.307" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6639" PostId="256" Score="20" Text="Could you back this up, or is this only your opinion?" CreationDate="2014-09-22T18:03:10.187" UserId="15998" />
  <row Id="677" PostId="259" Score="0" Text="It's not just a discussion, it's a problem he wants solved. He wants to be an effective networker. His question isn't purely rhetorical, we don't really need to punish people for showing their work and sharing what they've tried; quite the opposite." CreationDate="2012-05-15T14:35:38.833" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="682" PostId="259" Score="0" Text="`It's not just a discussion, it's a problem he wants solved` every one want to solve their problems here which might involve some discussion. But if it involves discussion it is off topic. Speaking of this question, there is no real problem here, in which context he is asking this or is it just a belief, the author is saying `My current belief is ...` and then question, is my belief true is not a real question because there is no problem." CreationDate="2012-05-16T20:27:39.080" UserId="522" />
  <row Id="683" PostId="259" Score="0" Text="If your belief is how you approach a problem, then whether your approach is correct or not certainly is a problem." CreationDate="2012-05-16T20:31:23.553" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="645" PostId="260" Score="0" Text="True, it's not quite intentional copying, I'll think about some different working for that bit" CreationDate="2012-05-10T15:42:44.463" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="658" PostId="260" Score="0" Text="I changed the wording a bit, the new copy is in the Question and the FAQ. Think this addresses your concerns?" CreationDate="2012-05-11T19:43:49.573" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="647" PostId="262" Score="1" Text="I'm throwing upvotes at the screen, but nothing is happening." CreationDate="2012-05-10T19:52:30.540" UserId="96" />
  <row Id="648" PostId="262" Score="1" Text="[It's always a shame when I have to close a borderline question because it's getting extremely crap answers... And always fun when the first couple answers are exemplary and we can keep it open... The problem is that in the first case people don't down vote the crap answers, while in the second case were they have a template of what a good answer to the question is, no problem, down votes take out the crap naturally.](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/4454418#4454418)" CreationDate="2012-05-10T21:17:24.733" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="649" PostId="262" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos But you see the point I am making... being too quick to close a question that is NC prevents an excellent answer from occurring.  IMHO we should be focused on Heroic Answers &gt; Heroic Question Edits" CreationDate="2012-05-11T11:06:19.410" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="650" PostId="262" Score="2" Text="Yes of course I do see your point, for the most of it I agree with you. I think the part that fails horribly is the &quot;bad answers should be voted down&quot; one, and I don't have a solution for it." CreationDate="2012-05-11T13:02:15.550" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="651" PostId="262" Score="1" Text="Heroic answers don't stop the other answers from sucking. The question needs to be good first. Unfortunately this site + the rep system has a bad habit of rewarding bad answers and we don't yet have a good policy in place to handle those bad answers." CreationDate="2012-05-11T13:56:52.933" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="652" PostId="262" Score="0" Text="And no one's treating it like a science. The problem is people are giving terrible answers; they're not saying &quot;I have 10 years of experience doing X, but I don't have a study&quot; they're saying &quot;Uhh well maybe you should do X and I have no reason to believe this should work at all&quot;. The site can work even if there aren't objective answers, that's not the problem here." CreationDate="2012-05-11T13:58:50.107" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="653" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="The problem with opinion isn't simply &quot;it's an opinion&quot;, but when all answers are equally valid. When you're just asking for opinions, not how to solve a problem, opinions turn into polling" CreationDate="2012-05-11T14:09:56.567" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="654" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="Some ppl here are obsessed with opinion, rant etc. They dont let the voting give it opportunity and close questions. In their book anything that is slightly biased is a rant, or too local or how is it useful for others. `A question is constructive if it is a real problem and the answer can be constructive`" CreationDate="2012-05-11T14:52:44.597" UserId="496" />
  <row Id="655" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="@Thecrocodilehunter This is not a discussion forum, opinions have no place here. We are looking for solutions to problems, answers to questions, and that's about it. Not that everything else is not useful, it just doesn't belong here. And the main problem with opinions is that the voting doesn't work. Popular opinions get upvoted and unpopular get downvoted, and that's not how is supposed to work, an unpopular opinion may be the most helpful solution to an actual practical problem." CreationDate="2012-05-11T15:47:28.767" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="656" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="When you say [It's not unthinkable that you will never get to fully see the effects of your work.](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/633/143) (in one of your good answers), it is only an opinion. This hasn't come from any research. However, it is valid and useful because it comes from experience. In a site like this, everything *is* opinion only -just that there are some that are based on great experiences and are useful - there are others which are baseless or biased." CreationDate="2012-05-11T17:52:49.697" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="657" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta That's _not_ a good answer (but a valid answer, nonetheless). That said, I'm not sharing only an opinion, but also go at great lengths at explaining how I came to that conclusion, specifically citing personal experience. That's my research, been there done that. A very weak answer, possibly biased, but still not only an opinion. I happen to believe your answer is more useful, and I think that's an example of how the voting system doesn't (always) work (as expected)." CreationDate="2012-05-11T19:04:03.983" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="659" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="@YannisRizos &quot;Professional judgment,&quot; which I think is the best we will do for answering many valid and good questions here, is still an opinion, though a substantiated one.  Also, I don't think voting needs to be perfect; after all, we don't ceremoniously delete the second- through _n_th-place answers.  On other SE sites, lower-rated answers (sometimes because they came significantly later) have at times been more helpful as a reference than the highest-rated, accepted answer." CreationDate="2012-05-11T22:03:19.447" UserId="50" />
  <row Id="665" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="@TheCrocodileHunter and Andrew: The problem with &quot;shut up and let votes solve the problem&quot; is that votes are a very strong form of encouragement, and if a low quality answer gets even a couple upvotes, we've strongly reinforced the behavior of answering *every* question even if your answer sucks. Multiply that times a few hundred users and we've got low quality answers on almost every question, even IF the actual best answer IS on the top, it's still a problem." CreationDate="2012-05-13T15:00:45.567" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="666" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="Also, judging the question by it's intent not its words is a reason to *edit the question* so it's asking the right thing. It is *not* a reason to just say &quot;screw it, I'm answering what I think the question is&quot;. You can edit then answer, and hopefully the asker agrees with your interpretation, but I don't want a site where 50 people are answering their own concept of what a poorly worded question is *actually* asking." CreationDate="2012-05-13T15:06:27.100" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="667" PostId="263" Score="1" Text="@Rarity I saw questions on programmers.SE saying my boss has been unreasonable etc etc (opinion but the question is not closed), the answer says, your boss is correct. It is beneficial for him and it is beneficial for us. Please do not demonize opinion. Everyone has opinions. The best question usually is also an opinion which does not contain any scientific truth. This is not a skeptic site. If you answer/advice someone one why a one page resume is better than 3 pages, that is an opinion, or is it exact science?" CreationDate="2012-05-13T15:37:30.423" UserId="496" />
  <row Id="668" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="[this question about low salary](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1025/how-should-i-properly-approach-my-boss-if-im-feeling-underpaid) is based on opinion that my salary is low. The select answer is also an opinion." CreationDate="2012-05-13T15:43:18.077" UserId="496" />
  <row Id="670" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="@Thecrocodilehunter &quot;everyone has opinions&quot; is exactly the problem. Questions call for answers, not opinions. If you include a bit of an opinion in your answer, that's fine. If your answer is a statement of your opinion and not the solution to a problem, that's not an answer." CreationDate="2012-05-14T15:43:42.410" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="673" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="@Rarity -can you show me 3 answers in this site which are NOT opinions? Something which is officially published and derived out of theoretic science." CreationDate="2012-05-15T11:09:54.783" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="676" PostId="263" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta you're totally misreading my point. Just because it's not from offically published material doesn't mean it's not a solution. But if they're *only* opinions, not solutions to a problem, that's what's wrong. You (and others) are getting caught up on the wrong thing." CreationDate="2012-05-15T13:05:28.120" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="661" PostId="265" Score="1" Text="+1 I agree with these comments; merge 'em." CreationDate="2012-05-12T19:52:09.577" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="662" PostId="265" Score="0" Text="I've gone ahead and merged. Reminder; if in the future there IS a valid reason for these to be separate tags, the tags can be unsynomized." CreationDate="2012-05-13T01:01:20.873" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="663" PostId="266" Score="1" Text="Please feel free to use [tag:job-search] for these.  I believe the words recruitment and recruiters are simply too close to have a useful distinction so I used that new tag for a question similar to the two you listed." CreationDate="2012-05-13T06:49:25.403" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="664" PostId="266" Score="2" Text="Dealing with recruiters is part of the recruitment process, is it not? How do I deal with recruitment with no recruiters involved? How do I deal with recruiters (in a recruiter-specific function) without recruitment being involved? Both tags seem equally valid on all four of those questions." CreationDate="2012-05-13T14:34:45.520" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="699" PostId="268" Score="0" Text="I can't resist downvoting this. The 1st part and 3rd part of your answer are irrelevant. And the point you mentioned is that the question need an expert such as employer who are at the other side of the table. That sum up to 3 kinds of people : recruiter/agent, employer, HR. Can you kindly include the properties that differ these people from normal people because I see your answer is quite vague." CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:33:15.410" UserId="709" />
  <row Id="674" PostId="269" Score="0" Text="The trouble is, what you think is a bad answer is not necessarily what others think. Can you, quote some samples as part of your question?" CreationDate="2012-05-15T11:12:05.577" UserId="143" />
  <row Id="675" PostId="269" Score="0" Text="@DipanMehta users have expressed a general feeling of &quot;bad answers&quot; but the main, relatively easy to identify problem are &quot;me too&quot; answers that add nothing" CreationDate="2012-05-15T13:03:59.087" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="678" PostId="269" Score="1" Text="I've certainly seen questions where there are a lot of repetitive answers and I'd like to clean them up, but there usually aren't clear &quot;totally redundant&quot; answers, only &quot;mostly redundant plus one new thing&quot;.  The &quot;mostly redundant&quot; part should just go away, but that requires more heavy-handed editing than I'm comfortable proposing.  People need to be more careful when posting but they aren't; given that, how should we respond?  And how can we train people to do better?  I think the site will fail if we don't fix this." CreationDate="2012-05-15T14:46:55.830" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="679" PostId="269" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio that's precisely why I'm asking :). I don't really mind heavy-handed editing, in the case you describe I think it would be best if you edited those posts as you suggest and leave a comment stating why." CreationDate="2012-05-15T15:32:39.403" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="671" PostId="270" Score="0" Text="I asked this because many have expressed concern over duplicate and/or low quality answers and honestly downvotes aren't the best solution; they're very rarely used. I'm not so much feeling I need to do much, but wondering if the community feels this needs to be done as it's not really something moderators can do on their own." CreationDate="2012-05-14T20:22:26.777" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="672" PostId="270" Score="0" Text="Ah, that makes sense." CreationDate="2012-05-14T21:37:45.887" UserId="31" />
  <row Id="681" PostId="271" Score="0" Text="Good points, your first point is why I want to nip this in the bud; if we can create a *culture* of no (unhelpful) duplication it can do a lot more good than any amount of editing or downvoting posts ever could." CreationDate="2012-05-16T13:56:30.347" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="701" PostId="272" Score="0" Text="The question itself is based on way too many false assumptions.  I hesitate to believe that this would be a good question even on a site that accepts legal questions." CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:48:53.237" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="684" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="Could you link to a few of those chronic questions so we can get a sense of what might be coming over?" CreationDate="2012-05-28T02:06:10.690" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="685" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio chronic questions like what? Bad workplace related questions on Programmers? I think most of them get deleted... Also note we already *have* a large audience that's come straight from Programmers and eager to ask questions." CreationDate="2012-05-28T02:07:33.937" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="703" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="I was referring to &quot;they've chronically had a problem of asking general Workplace questions on the site&quot; -- what are some of those questions?  (If they've been deleted, do you remember any?)  I'm trying to get a sense of whether enough of them would actually be appropriate here to justify mentioning us in their FAQ, or if that would just result in a lot of questions we would close." CreationDate="2012-05-29T14:51:08.447" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="704" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I've only used Programmers after the &quot;shift&quot; as it were, I've called out to the P.SE mods to find us some examples" CreationDate="2012-05-29T15:00:42.377" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="706" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio ChrisF helpfully found these random Qs: http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/1287/how-do-you-focus-when-emotionally-upset http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/167/how-can-i-avoid-the-carpal-tunnel-syndrome http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/396/what-are-some-good-office-layout-guidelines-for-a-small-development-team http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/742/good-furniture-for-programmers . Not saying we'd accept all of them (some are NC ect) but those are some random examples" CreationDate="2012-05-29T15:05:29.377" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="721" PostId="274" Score="0" Text="Thanks Rarity!  Those examples help.  (I'd say all of those are on-topic here, but that the last two would need to be reworked to not be surveys/forum posts on any SE site.)" CreationDate="2012-05-30T18:59:08.330" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="686" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="Hmm, that seems okay" CreationDate="2012-05-28T13:43:23.207" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="687" PostId="275" Score="0" Text="I like this approach." CreationDate="2012-05-28T13:47:03.827" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="688" PostId="275" Score="2" Text="Need your feedback here: http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/3635/25936" CreationDate="2012-05-28T14:41:03.050" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="689" PostId="276" Score="1" Text="Who blamed you? Or any other new user? And you aren't really a new user, you have about 10K reputation network wide, you should know what &quot;not constructive&quot; means by now." CreationDate="2012-05-29T02:58:08.653" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="690" PostId="276" Score="0" Text="Well I am new here and don't know the place. Who can say I am not new? You cannot answer like &quot;You should know that, I won't explain to you because you are veteran as I seen from your profile.&quot; What you are implying is that even you don't know the answer." CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:08:29.340" UserId="709" />
  <row Id="691" PostId="276" Score="0" Text="The answer to what? And I didn't say I won't explain it you, I'm asking who blamed you or any other user. You didn't came here asking for an explanation, you came here accusing people, and I'm challenging your accusations. If all you want is an explanation, well, all you need to do is ask for it." CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:10:08.467" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="692" PostId="276" Score="0" Text="Well, it seems true, as stated by Rarity, that you can control BAD answer. However there is a sight difference from what he said, which is, my answer usually got downvoted pretty quickly. Now who said the users don't downvote? And even downvote couldn't prove that I am wrong." CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:12:06.623" UserId="709" />
  <row Id="693" PostId="276" Score="0" Text="I am sorry, but I'm having a very hard time understanding what you are talking about. I get it that English is not your first language, but it isn't my first language either, so please try to clarify a bit what exactly it is you are talking about." CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:13:37.073" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="694" PostId="276" Score="0" Text="I need the answer to the question raised by Rarity. What I try to say is that we shouldn't provide the answer, is it he/she who closes questions with &quot;Not Constructive&quot; should provide the answer. Surely they should know what is constructive, right? Then why he/she is asking here?" CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:17:00.487" UserId="709" />
  <row Id="696" PostId="276" Score="0" Text="This answer doesn't actually mention anything about what *is* constructive or how it should be defined and is thus basically off topic in this question." CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:23:43.803" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="697" PostId="276" Score="2" Text="Rarity is not the only one who can vote to close a question, quite a few of us can, and often do. Of course Rarity, being one of our three moderators, is extremely well versed on what &quot;not constructive&quot; means, and every other aspect of the site. However, he, or any other individual, doesn't get to decide alone. Meta is where the community assembles to discuss such matters, and the purpose of this question is, obviously, for the community to decide what &quot;not constructive&quot; means for the site, and what questions should be closed as such." CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:25:19.850" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="702" PostId="276" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos Okay, I think he is not sharing his/her thought as I left a comment under his/her answer. His/her answer is vague and doesn't tell much. If he/she has a standard of defining constructive question, I think he/she should state it clearly." CreationDate="2012-05-29T04:21:55.817" UserId="709" />
  <row Id="695" PostId="277" Score="0" Text="I don't care for downvote really. You can't hurt me with downvote. But I think sometimes people tend to forget that they should leave a comment when they downvote, just to be polite." CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:23:37.530" UserId="709" />
  <row Id="698" PostId="277" Score="6" Text="[Voting is Different on Meta](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/faq#vote-differences). Downvotes often mean &quot;I don't agree&quot; (vise versa for upvotes) It's also been well established that [requiring explanation of downvotes is not useful](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/2268/166936)" CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:27:40.817" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="700" PostId="277" Score="3" Text="I'm not sure I understand the question.  I do think it can be difficult to understand what makes a question answerable.  If you are looking for a forum, [this isn't it](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/92107/is-stackoverflow-a-forum).  If you have a question that can actually be answered, and not just a &quot;here's what I'm dealing with, please respond&quot; -- then any type of response should be allowed, as long as it is backed up." CreationDate="2012-05-29T03:46:50.323" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="705" PostId="279" Score="2" Text="It's a chat. Chat is messy.  As to your questions about how chat works, those questions/comments should go to [Meta SO](http://meta.stackoverflow.com) as it's an SE-wide function." CreationDate="2012-05-29T15:01:29.630" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="728" PostId="279" Score="2" Text="Too noisy and ghost town in the same list... Heh. It's worth noting that if you're trying to have a focused discussion between 2 (or more) people, you can easily create a new room and invite folks into it for that purpose. But when there's not much going on, hanging out in a communal area generally isn't too confusing." CreationDate="2012-06-01T00:03:07.723" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="707" PostId="280" Score="6" Text="Y U WANT TO STEAL OUR REPZ? &lt;/proactive&gt;" CreationDate="2012-05-30T04:58:33.457" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="708" PostId="280" Score="0" Text="I think the answer is self-explanatory. 10 is okay." CreationDate="2012-05-30T10:01:04.850" UserId="709" />
  <row Id="710" PostId="280" Score="3" Text="So would bad answer #10 eliminate the rep for good answer #1?  We need a system that penalizes the new answer that adds nothing, not one that penalizes existing answers just because too many people piled on later." CreationDate="2012-05-30T14:52:47.900" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="711" PostId="280" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio It's not a penalty, it's removing an incentive. Answer #11 (one over the threshold) would turn the question to CW, yes. We have no way of knowing if answer #11 is a bad one, just that it's the eleventh, it could be a great answer and answers #1 - #10 were the bad ones." CreationDate="2012-05-30T14:57:09.960" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="712" PostId="280" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio Also: Moderators can remove the CW status on the rare occasion that all 10+ answers are great and deserve all the rep in the world. That said, I went through all our questions and I haven't found a single one that would benefit from 10+ answers, and the ones that already have 10+ answers should be turned into CW (imho)." CreationDate="2012-05-30T15:41:34.177" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="714" PostId="280" Score="0" Text="I started to comment but decided it should be an answer instead.  See below." CreationDate="2012-05-30T17:00:05.170" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="709" PostId="281" Score="2" Text="+1 Thanks for saving me from writing an answer. :) I also support this." CreationDate="2012-05-30T11:06:57.917" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="770" PostId="281" Score="0" Text="Will it? Or will it just cause more questions to get converted to community wiki that don't need to be converted? How exactly is everyone going to know that this site is different? I certainly don't go browse around Stack Exchange sites I'm just diving into for all the tiny rules about it like what the community wiki thresholds are..." CreationDate="2012-06-16T00:42:07.720" UserId="128" />
  <row Id="771" PostId="281" Score="0" Text="@animuson for the most part it wouldn't matter at all; most questions don't get more than 10 answers, and most answerers don't answer *all* the things. But for those few who do answer every thing in the world (there are some) this would be relative visible. Generally that's all we want to stop." CreationDate="2012-06-16T02:03:46.430" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="735" PostId="285" Score="0" Text="I didn't close it, but from your question I'm unclear what an &quot;admin officer&quot; is and why &quot;morale building&quot; or &quot;bonus setting&quot; would be tasks for the HR department" CreationDate="2012-06-02T12:54:09.620" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="737" PostId="285" Score="2" Text="[NickC's answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/286/26) pretty thoroughly explains why I closed it *so that more clarification could be provided*. Note that closures *are not permanent*; the assumption (or at least hope) is that people will improve their questions." CreationDate="2012-06-02T16:36:48.597" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="734" PostId="286" Score="0" Text="I've made the changes, reduce the two questions to one." CreationDate="2012-06-02T06:14:14.823" UserId="979" />
  <row Id="738" PostId="286" Score="0" Text="Yes, I think both mods and the community would vote to reopen any question that defines clearly what is being asked -- if what is being asked is not overly broad. That's the whole point of the process! :)" CreationDate="2012-06-02T16:37:41.980" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="736" PostId="287" Score="1" Text="The admin thing is even more confusing because of the last question really. When I hear admin I don NOT think administrative assistant, I assume it's either a systems administrator or a management position." CreationDate="2012-06-02T12:55:46.777" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="739" PostId="287" Score="0" Text="I completely agree with your bullet points about when you would cast a reopen vote." CreationDate="2012-06-02T16:38:34.743" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="740" PostId="287" Score="1" Text="I've done the edit." CreationDate="2012-06-04T01:28:35.997" UserId="979" />
  <row Id="741" PostId="287" Score="2" Text="@Graviton And I've just voted to re-open." CreationDate="2012-06-04T01:31:04.757" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="742" PostId="289" Score="1" Text="This sounds reasonable, I made a similar point on UX earlier http://meta.ux.stackexchange.com/a/989/7627 . For the record I also consider the current wording of the CV question Not Constructive." CreationDate="2012-06-10T01:59:29.190" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="743" PostId="290" Score="2" Text="In the end our goal is to create high quality *content*, not keep a big open game for as much rep as you can grab. In most cases rep works just fine as a motivator, but especially in the case of exactly that sort of popular question, people pile on with low quality, repeat or unhelpful answers. By removing the &quot;free rep&quot; motivator to answer *every question ever* we encourage only posting when you have a *good answer*, not just an opinion, as piling on opinions will just bring you closer to CW status. This *has* worked before on Programmers." CreationDate="2012-06-10T17:12:51.590" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="744" PostId="290" Score="1" Text="@Rarity: Respectfully, I disagree that it has worked on Programmers. I have 6 answers on Programmers rated over 100. 4 have been auto-CWed and another one would have been if they'd reduced the cap to 10. All of them have more than 10 well-thought-out answers. I would say that I'm not particularly driven by karma points, compared to some, but there is something satisfying about seeing someone upvote a question I answered a long time ago (more than one I answered today). **That** encourages me to pay attention to the quality of my answers more than anything." CreationDate="2012-06-10T17:32:30.967" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="745" PostId="290" Score="1" Text="`I also think it's unfair to suggest that all of the answers past #10 were of the quality of &quot;Me too&quot;.` Well, did you read them? I did, and I'm not suggesting that all answers past #10 were sub par, just that there were more sub par answers past #10 than usual. `I really don't see what you're trying to achieve here.` Find me one question on the Workplace or on Programmers that hasn't been sufficiently answered after 10 answers, and I'll be convinced that this isn't necessary." CreationDate="2012-06-10T20:12:06.853" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="746" PostId="290" Score="1" Text="@YannisRizos: I did read them, although it's difficult to keep track of which order they were posted in. I do know that I upvoted a very valid answer that would have been around the #10 mark. But I think you're missing my point. I wouldn't object to the cap **if** I could see how it solves the problem. People still keep posting **way** past 15 answers on Programmers for a popular question." CreationDate="2012-06-10T20:35:36.567" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="747" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos: Duh. I never noticed you could sort them before. And you're right, little after answer 10 was useful. But I equally suggest that the first 4 answers all said basically the same thing. The highly-voted answers were posted 5, 6 and 8 (not so far from the line) and the people who posted past 10 got very little benefit from doing so, so an auto-CW cap would have been largely irrelevant to them." CreationDate="2012-06-10T20:57:20.810" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="748" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="The first 4 answers being the same thing is part of what we want to avoid, and this is another tool for that. We want to discourage blindly answering all questions with low quality answers." CreationDate="2012-06-10T23:34:51.287" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="749" PostId="290" Score="2" Text="@Rarity: Ok, I buy what you're *trying* to achieve. I'm not disagreeing that it is a problem. But is there any evidence that auto-CW will do that? You know what would be a very effective deterrent? Downvoting or deleting duplicates. Maybe auto-lock the question after 10 messages and flag it up to a moderator who could delete duplicates and decide whether to unlock it." CreationDate="2012-06-10T23:54:50.240" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="750" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="We look over all questions with that much activity, but the problem with deleting is unless it's a complete non-answer (it's a comment or irrelevant) we don't have much grounds to delete, and more generally we really can't read every answer ever. I've tried to get some sort of [policy on duplicate/useless answers](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/269/do-we-need-a-policy-on-bad-me-too-answers) but so far we really don't have anything actionable, and downvotes alone don't work well" CreationDate="2012-06-11T02:49:37.723" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="751" PostId="290" Score="2" Text="@Rarity: But, if you locked a question at 10 answers and people desperately wanted to add something, they might start reacting to earlier dupes. More likely they just won't bother answering, which is what you were trying to achieve. And I still contend that auto-CW has no effect on that problem." CreationDate="2012-06-11T08:19:19.400" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="752" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="Locking would prevent people from adding valuable content like http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1760/42. It just removes the reputation reason to add answer after answer, not the *actual ability to do so*. Plus we'd probably get tons of angry hate flags and edits if they were auto-locked, new users get mad enough when a popular question is Protected. Plus if it's locked, you can't do anything to the answers anyway, the whole set of Q/A is totally frozen except to mods" CreationDate="2012-06-11T16:28:44.407" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="753" PostId="290" Score="1" Text="@Rarity: Hey, it was Yannis who suggested that anything after the 10th answer was useless ;P. But seriously, that was a 5-second idea, I'm sure it can be improved. The point is that auto-CW ONLY stops the earlier responses from gaining points, I think you'd be hard-pushed to find a response after #10 with more than 5 points. So how is it ever going to be successful in your stated goal: &quot;to create high quality content&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-06-11T16:59:11.657" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="754" PostId="290" Score="1" Text="It does'nt stop them from gaining points, just future points. For the most part when this happens the question has already gone crazy popular (like your example) so the top answers have already gotten a few hundred rep out of it--and often that rep is mostly a function of popularity, not quality of the post. Basically rep is already broken in the other way." CreationDate="2012-06-11T17:09:37.520" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="755" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@Rarity: Not true. Those votes are usually capped at 200 points anyway, and rightly so. Your argument is exactly why I say that it's points gained long after the response that give me satisfaction, not the ones gained on the day, because it means that it's still helping people. And those are the points you're blocking. And still, that would be fair enough, if it had the effect you are claiming it would have. But I don't see how it can do." CreationDate="2012-06-11T17:18:05.480" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="773" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@pdr `So how is it ever going to be successful in your stated goal: &quot;to create high quality content&quot;?` Removes the incentive for those of us who are only here to rep whore, and encourages downvotes on answers (they are free on CW posts)." CreationDate="2012-06-21T04:47:53.607" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="774" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos: The point is that there is currently no incentive. Answers past 10 just don't get upvotes. The only people it affects are those with good (or at least popular) early answers -- not by losing existing rep but by not getting ongoing rep. That's removing the incentive to be one of those people, not the person who posts 15th because it's a popular question and they're after a few cheap votes." CreationDate="2012-06-21T09:31:41.753" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="788" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@Rarity: Not wishing to drag this back up, but I was just looking through this question on Programmers (http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/154733/my-boss-decided-to-add-a-person-to-blame-field-to-every-bug-report-how-can-i) -- I've downvoted more on that one question today than I have in total before today. And still the garbage keeps getting posted, some 18 hours after it went auto-CW. So I was reminded of your comment that answer caps &quot;work&quot; to improve quality on Programmers and just wanted to suggest you take a look." CreationDate="2012-06-29T15:44:07.927" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="789" PostId="290" Score="0" Text="@pdr I don't find that one relevant...I would have closed it as-is, number of answers aside. Plus note that CW means downvotes are free. CW does make it a little more tolerable to downvote bad answers (for those familiar with it)." CreationDate="2012-06-29T15:53:28.643" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="790" PostId="290" Score="1" Text="@Rarity: On the flip side, it also makes it more tolerable to post an XKCD or Dilbert link, offer nothing new to the debate, and not worry about the downvotes." CreationDate="2012-06-29T16:30:06.400" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="756" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="Oh, those are canned?  That explains some of my confusion; you didn't choose those words. :-)  Thanks for the explanation; in particular, I had missed the nuanced definition of &quot;duplicate&quot; that you give here." CreationDate="2012-06-12T18:06:48.800" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="757" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="Yep :) By the way, I wasn't sure whether the flag was *specifically* requesting delete, which is why I choose that response.  There is another, something like &quot;A moderator reviewed your flag but found no evidence to support it.&quot; which might apply otherwise.  I apologize for the response(s) sounding so impolite, maybe I will choose the custom option more often now." CreationDate="2012-06-12T18:12:38.600" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="758" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  I considered choosing &quot;not an answer&quot; but wanted the chance to explain that.  When I did, I lost the &quot;...so this should be deleted&quot; conclusion.  Oops.  It's all part of the learning process..." CreationDate="2012-06-12T18:16:28.417" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="759" PostId="292" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio some are canned (&quot;no evidence&quot;, &quot;doesn't require moderator attention&quot; &quot;technical inaccuracies&quot;) but we can also give a custom decline message." CreationDate="2012-06-12T18:22:15.100" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="760" PostId="293" Score="1" Text="I was going to suggest chat events in your other [chat question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/258/dont-forget-we-have-chat), but then I couldn't think of any interesting event..." CreationDate="2012-06-12T23:35:33.380" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="761" PostId="294" Score="1" Text="The first 4.5 paragraphs are about why college students aren't prepared for jobs and do not answer the question about how to *recruit* recent grads.  (If the question had been about how recent grads can find jobs, that might be different.)  Then the next part suggests hiring interns and training them -- a suggestion I agree with, and one that was already brought up by Jim in Texas, though I agree on reflection that you expanded on that usefully.  If you remove the off-point first half I'll be happy to remove my downvote." CreationDate="2012-06-13T02:45:58.777" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="762" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="As for that other answer, I hadn't yet seen it when I responded to your post.  Your point about visiting others seems to be intern-focused so I can see why the person suggesting that as a regular hiring approach didn't think of it as a duplicate.  There are always gray areas." CreationDate="2012-06-13T02:48:33.857" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="764" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I was being rude, I apologize and I removed the accusation.  As for my answer, the mod decided not to delete or edit the answer, so I stand by my contribution to the question." CreationDate="2012-06-13T11:02:35.167" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="765" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="Thanks, and I'm sorry if my comments upset you.  I first flagged your post because that's private;  hesitated to post this question but wanted to know if I had done something wrong that I oughtn't repeat.  As for the other answer, did you flag and/or downvote it?" CreationDate="2012-06-13T12:56:05.980" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="766" PostId="294" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Don't be sorry, you are being a good user for trying to keep things clean.  It looks like somebody else removed that answer because it isn't there anymore." CreationDate="2012-06-13T14:11:19.833" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="767" PostId="294" Score="3" Text="FYI, it looks like an evil mod has deleted that total copy &quot;answer&quot;" CreationDate="2012-06-13T15:12:29.600" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="769" PostId="296" Score="0" Text="right, i'll get to that." CreationDate="2012-06-14T15:42:13.523" UserId="882" />
  <row Id="772" PostId="301" Score="0" Text="Nice. I was actually going to ask a question along these lines yesterday (more related to general facilities management, but related to the question in question)." CreationDate="2012-06-17T03:35:16.130" UserDisplayName="user206" />
  <row Id="775" PostId="306" Score="2" Text="Does it hold up to Skeptics' standards? I don't see any evidence that there is widespread belief one way or another, really. It just one side of an argument  people have in the workplace." CreationDate="2012-06-22T18:02:06.780" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="777" PostId="307" Score="0" Text="+1 @Rarity: Hey, thanks for commenting, I did not know that was the reason. So, I've now provided research that claims it's a bad idea via the answer I posted, but I get the sense that for the question to be on-topic on Skeptics that the question must have a claim by a well recognized source that does not provide reference to empirical research to back up their claim. Is my understanding correct? Thanks!" CreationDate="2012-06-22T18:16:15.263" UserId="618" />
  <row Id="778" PostId="307" Score="0" Text="@blunders yep. Basically something that implies either an authoritative or popular source has indicated X is true, and you want real evidence indicating the veracity of that." CreationDate="2012-06-22T18:30:05.293" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="779" PostId="307" Score="0" Text="Thanks, currently not aware of notable source making such a claim, but now understand that what's needed, and why Skeptics declined the question. Thank you!" CreationDate="2012-06-22T19:07:16.777" UserId="618" />
  <row Id="780" PostId="307" Score="1" Text="@blunders: As much as I hate to say this about the Daily Mail, this would count as a notable source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1282398/Why-colleagues-salaries-secret.html" CreationDate="2012-06-23T14:30:31.063" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="782" PostId="308" Score="1" Text="Yeah, the metric's pretty annoying because it almost always shows the current count unless you're getting 3k rep users left and right early on (due to the formula in NickC's answer)" CreationDate="2012-06-26T11:52:19.047" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="781" PostId="309" Score="0" Text="I would upvote twice if I could. Somehow, this meaning of _pace_ completely escaped my mind" CreationDate="2012-06-26T07:11:40.263" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="783" PostId="309" Score="2" Text="@gnat IMO the more logical way to interpret it is &quot;how many users are on pace&quot; not &quot;the site is on pace to have X users&quot;, meaning the pace would be the relative rep gain of the users, not the 3k rep users per day. But that would be a lot more expensive to calculate." CreationDate="2012-06-26T13:10:19.787" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="784" PostId="309" Score="0" Text="I would think it would be number of users with rep &gt; 3000*(# of days in beta/90).  But that number would be 2500 at 75 days so would be the same." CreationDate="2012-06-27T13:49:30.830" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="785" PostId="311" Score="0" Text="Yes, I was going to say the same thing -- I just checked the Teachers' Lounge chat transcript for the original question to us from Programmers.SE mods a few days back." CreationDate="2012-06-27T15:38:36.990" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="786" PostId="311" Score="2" Text="I've edited the question to make it less ranty, remove unnecessary details to make it more widely applicable, and generally clean it up a bit. It looks to me like a better fit now." CreationDate="2012-06-27T17:04:15.020" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="787" PostId="311" Score="0" Text="@Jim thanks for the effort, but it appears [this question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1263/how-can-i-improve-a-resume-to-avoid-looking-like-a-job-hopper) is a more focused, better question along the same line. [jcmeloni also agrees we shouldn't move it](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/5143671#5143671). Sorry to have sent you on an edit goose chase" CreationDate="2012-06-28T21:19:15.393" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="960" PostId="313" Score="2" Text="I agree with some of this here but it seems very much focused on upvoting *only*...IMO encouraging users to downvote is the harder part" CreationDate="2012-07-25T13:34:44.537" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="964" PostId="313" Score="0" Text="@Rarity that's a valid concern, I tried to 1) make sure there's nothing sounding like do-upvote-only and 2) express the need for constructive downvoting. I think I did OK at #1 (feel free to point if you see misses there) but my draft attempts at #2 were epic fail. I am considering a dedicated post _Active downvoter tips_" CreationDate="2012-07-25T14:10:39.233" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="998" PostId="313" Score="0" Text="@Rarity I edited some _ode to downvoting_ into the text. Would appreciate if you take a look" CreationDate="2012-07-27T22:48:09.517" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8683" PostId="313" Score="0" Text="@Rarity users don't need encouragement to down-vote, especially after the first one." CreationDate="2016-04-06T17:54:05.077" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="792" PostId="314" Score="2" Text="&quot;Where's the bathroom?&quot; would be off topic, unless of course we take &quot;members of the workforce _navigating_ the professional setting&quot; literally." CreationDate="2012-07-09T20:19:13.167" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="794" PostId="314" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos But then it would be too localized! :)" CreationDate="2012-07-09T21:15:34.070" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1128" PostId="314" Score="1" Text="*Down the hall, then the first door on your left, the sign says &quot;Gentlemen&quot;, but you can ignore that.*" CreationDate="2012-08-20T21:41:24.957" UserId="362" />
  <row Id="793" PostId="315" Score="1" Text="I didn't see this when I closed the question in question, but I think that closing it, editing it a bit more (you, me, anyone else), and flagging for reopen after discussion here is the best course of action anyway.  I think the edits make it too discussion-y." CreationDate="2012-07-09T21:12:35.773" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="795" PostId="316" Score="3" Text="Oh good, you typed this up so I don't have to" CreationDate="2012-07-10T13:03:22.050" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="796" PostId="316" Score="2" Text="@Rarity isn't he just the best non-mod mod we have? :)" CreationDate="2012-07-10T14:30:15.500" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="797" PostId="316" Score="1" Text="Also, regarding questions asked; questions asked has remained pretty stable after the initial rush of private/early public beta questions. That's pretty normal." CreationDate="2012-07-11T13:36:52.830" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="842" PostId="316" Score="0" Text="wrt **Editing** - per my review of ~4/5 questions that have been active until mid June, spelling looks much better than that on Programmers and MSO and **infinitely** better than on SO. Note I reviewed really hard, trying to squeeze every chance to get +2 from suggested edits and get closer to _Strunk &amp; White_ badge :)" CreationDate="2012-07-16T07:43:43.870" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="799" PostId="317" Score="2" Text="I'm usually sharing questions from other sites on Reddit, but is there a subreddit I can post these questions to?" CreationDate="2012-07-12T17:07:44.637" UserId="108" />
  <row Id="800" PostId="317" Score="0" Text="@Dynamic I know Yannis posts some of the software industry questions to Reddit. I'm not a redditor so I don't know what workplace related ones they have myself. Maybe ask in chat, someone else probably has a better idea" CreationDate="2012-07-12T17:36:57.447" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1006" PostId="317" Score="0" Text="@Dynamic /r/jobs and /r/work" CreationDate="2012-07-28T18:51:20.547" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1007" PostId="317" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos Thanks!" CreationDate="2012-07-28T20:52:19.433" UserId="108" />
  <row Id="801" PostId="320" Score="3" Text="Yeah, it sucks, it's the default boilerplate + vague description of target audience. Open to any suggestions" CreationDate="2012-07-12T19:38:13.873" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="802" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I think we all agree on that; I think the guiding principle was &quot;let's see what shakes out in 90 days and reassess&quot; which...hey! [it's been 90 days](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/316/hey-weve-reached-90-days-in-beta-party).  Which is to say, this is a great time to have this conversation." CreationDate="2012-07-12T19:39:39.513" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="803" PostId="320" Score="1" Text="as a starting point, I like [dba.se's format](http://dba.stackexchange.com/faq) I think showing what we don't do is possibly as important as showing what we do. Though we haven't gotten many CV reviews." CreationDate="2012-07-12T19:49:28.447" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="804" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - Absolutely agree. What is _off-topic_ is just as important." CreationDate="2012-07-12T19:50:14.793" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="1656" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="Just found the workplace SE site linked on one of the other many SE sites that I frequent. The post containing the link made me think that this would be a site I'd like to participate in, so I hit the site and went straight for the FAQ, specifically `What kind of questions can I ask here`. After reading the answer, I have absolutely no clue as to what this site is about, I now know what I can't ask, but I really have no clue as to what is actually considered on topic here. This question is almost 6 months old, and this major issue hasn't been addressed yet? Wow! Maybe I'm missing something?" CreationDate="2012-11-29T22:11:26.457" UserId="5212" />
  <row Id="2394" PostId="320" Score="0" Text="It seems like the &quot;off topic&quot; things were added, but the &quot;on topic&quot; section is still lacking..." CreationDate="2013-04-09T20:20:41.103" UserId="1324" />
  <row Id="805" PostId="321" Score="1" Text="I totally stole the format from [Cognitive Sciences' evaluation](http://meta.cogsci.stackexchange.com/questions/338/cognitive-sciences-self-evaluation-lets-get-critical). Got the questions from a Stack Exchange employee using the same algorithm they get the &quot;real&quot; eval questions from." CreationDate="2012-07-12T19:53:30.407" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="806" PostId="321" Score="1" Text="*I'm a real eval!* /runs away" CreationDate="2012-07-12T20:08:04.327" UserId="27" />
  <row Id="858" PostId="321" Score="1" Text="Evaluation time has expired (not that it means much in this case) so I have ceremonially closed this post. Considering the amount of voters taking part, the evaluation seems quite positive." CreationDate="2012-07-20T04:30:05.680" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="809" PostId="322" Score="1" Text="What's wrong with this question? I don't disagree with the score at all, I'd just like more explicit feedback here. Due to the surprisingly high score on the question there appears to be some reason beyond &quot;it sucks&quot;" CreationDate="2012-07-13T19:24:58.090" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="810" PostId="322" Score="1" Text="I think it is a very typical situation. It is clear what you are giving up, but the unstated question is how to put it in real terms. How likely are you to need arbitration, and how likely are you to win?" CreationDate="2012-07-14T02:13:33.123" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="832" PostId="322" Score="4" Text="I do not like questions that can only really be answered by a lawyer; in this case, the only person who could really answer &quot;How much of her rights would she be giving up if she chose to sign this agreement?&quot; would be someone *reading* the agreement and understanding it, e.g. a lawyer giving legal advice, which is not the same as a bunch of random people on the internet." CreationDate="2012-07-15T01:42:29.563" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="827" PostId="323" Score="1" Text="I don't like this one as it stands; the question in the title is one that would be on-topic and useful to others, but the question actually is wrapped in personal examples so much as to be pretty localized.  Both answers, while thoughtful and helpful for the user, speak directly to that localization.  While I'm sure that some people will read this Q &amp; its As and be helped by it, I think it's an example of something that we could've guided better, earlier (a few deleted answers speaks to that)." CreationDate="2012-07-15T01:23:57.713" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="825" PostId="324" Score="0" Text="The edits that were done to it really helped focus the question to a good one.  The answers are fine as well." CreationDate="2012-07-14T22:45:39.453" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="829" PostId="325" Score="3" Text="Not a fan of this question purely because it's of the &quot;non-professional health diagnosis&quot; variety; if it were something like &quot;my boss has told us he has X disorder and I want to know how best to work with him besides what HR might tell us&quot; then that would get more toward the types of questions we want to foster. The answer is certainly thoughtful and helpful, though." CreationDate="2012-07-15T01:31:19.513" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="831" PostId="326" Score="1" Text="I don't like this question, because *only* the OP can say for sure. Points 1 and 3 in the OP's question completely depend on the company (which depends on the locale, and its laws), and point 2 would be best answered (if rephrased) at Parenting SE or something similar." CreationDate="2012-07-15T01:38:39.630" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="846" PostId="326" Score="1" Text="for this one, it would be interesting to try [&quot;Atwood's transform&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/124930) of recommendation type questions. _How do I tell whether it's OK to start family soon after starting the job? What factors to consider to decide (what do I need to learn to tell) whether it's OK etc...?_ That's just a draft, &quot;it's OK&quot; part is to be clarified from the question context. The accepted answer actually fits the &quot;transformed&quot; question better, by listing things to consider. It is also probably worth tagging _united-states_, given the accepted FMLA-context" CreationDate="2012-07-16T19:00:26.580" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="828" PostId="327" Score="2" Text="A good question; the accepted answer is a good answer.  The others are more comments than answers (a few were already converted) and one answer that was long and generated a lot of discussion on its own wasn't a particularly good answer (half OT, half repeating an existing answer) although it was  clearly an honest attempt." CreationDate="2012-07-15T01:28:52.450" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="826" PostId="328" Score="2" Text="Although the question could have been phrased better, and at the end of the day it's about a young person not understanding the employee handbook, there's merit to the spirit of the question.  The top two answers are good, and patient with the OP; the remaining answers are rather noisy." CreationDate="2012-07-14T22:51:42.487" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="824" PostId="329" Score="1" Text="I can't vote one way or another -- I would upvote this for the core question being a fair one here; however, the text itself could be cleaned up especially in light of additional changes and more information given along the way. It's good that the info came out, but it does render some of the answers less specific than they could be (given they were written before edits, etc).  But I would downvote on the quality of the answers (beyond what I mentioned above) because many of them stray from the question at hand." CreationDate="2012-07-14T22:08:50.467" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="836" PostId="329" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni quality of answers in this case could probably correlate to relatively high number of question views (&gt;1K); this likely attracted some slippery answers; I favorited the question to return to it later and find out if some answers indeed deserve downvote" CreationDate="2012-07-16T00:21:53.403" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="838" PostId="329" Score="0" Text="@gnat most of those answers are from insiders so I can't blame the Hackernews/reddit effect. Most posts that have hit reddit/HN will have some lovely non-answers at the bottom of the thread that I've deleted/converted to comments.  This one doesn't" CreationDate="2012-07-16T01:42:50.620" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="839" PostId="329" Score="1" Text="@Rarity right. This question doesn't have answers that look _obviously_ bad to me - that's why I noted it will take time to figure ones (if any) deserving downvote. Pretty interesting case" CreationDate="2012-07-16T01:51:58.550" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="860" PostId="329" Score="1" Text="@gnat what additional information/changes do you think should be addressed in the question? I edited in the info he gave in the comments" CreationDate="2012-07-20T13:15:06.680" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="861" PostId="329" Score="0" Text="@Rarity well current Q wording tends to attract answers that swing a little too much so to speak, while managing to remain within the bounds of relevance. I'd consider _Atwood's transform_ - y'know, into something like, &quot;I work 5-9 while most my colleagues overtime. What do I need to learn to tell if this difference could impose a risk of damaging my reputation?&quot; Transform Q to attract _converging_ answers instead of _diverging_ ones so to speak..." CreationDate="2012-07-20T13:41:02.210" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="862" PostId="329" Score="0" Text="...Transform Q to attract _converging_ answers instead of _diverging_ ones so to speak. Answers like _You need to learn 1) legal specifics &lt;for the following reasons&gt; 2) company culture &lt;for the following reasons&gt; 3) your manager expectations &lt;for the following reasons&gt;_ - answers such that one could not post another answer suggesting opposite and feel right about it." CreationDate="2012-07-20T13:41:09.400" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="823" PostId="330" Score="1" Text="The core question is a good one; in a perfect world it would've been structured in such a way as to be less specific to the individual and more general, but the answer was a fine one that *didn't* go too deeply into localized answers (and where it did, it was clear it was an example that could be used as a template for others to fill in on their own)." CreationDate="2012-07-14T21:38:13.127" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="830" PostId="331" Score="3" Text="I actually like this question in theory -- I wish it were more of &quot;how do I negotiate as an intern&quot; and not specific to one thing like &quot;parking allowance&quot;.  I do believe we want to be a place that lets people at any level of their professional career ask for guidance, but something so specific and, well, trivial, doesn't help our perception.  I answered this question pretty quickly after it was asked, specifically so I could give a pretty thorough answer and avoid what I thought would be a bunch of one-liner or discussion-y answers.  Seemed to work..." CreationDate="2012-07-15T01:35:25.030" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="833" PostId="331" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni I usually delete one liner/discussiony answers anyway..." CreationDate="2012-07-15T02:09:56.937" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="834" PostId="331" Score="0" Text="I convert them to comments, but it sure is nice to avoid having to either of those things. :)" CreationDate="2012-07-15T02:47:50.527" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="835" PostId="332" Score="1" Text="Agree wholeheartedly with first two, and with the third as written as long as it doesn't close the door on questions of how to represent X, Y, or Z on a resume/CV." CreationDate="2012-07-15T23:45:39.953" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="837" PostId="332" Score="1" Text="@jcmeloni the problem is not resume questions, but general resume critiques. If you you need to post more than one specific sentence (or a rough description) of your resume/CV/cover letter you're almost certainly not asking a real question" CreationDate="2012-07-16T01:30:56.650" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="840" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="totally agree then!" CreationDate="2012-07-16T02:19:59.887" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="848" PostId="332" Score="2" Text="How about something specifically about workplace *functions* vs workplace *issues*? Specifically, @Rarity's comment [on this post](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2561/how-to-start-being-a-sharepoint-developer) seems almost readymade for a FAQ list item." CreationDate="2012-07-17T22:51:05.097" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="890" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="Rachel recently mentioned an interesting criteria to weed out certain type off-topics ([in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/5443950#5443950)): _&quot;one you'd ask a generic career-guidance counselor, it's on-topic? You wouldn't ask a generic career guidance counselor how to switch from C# to F#, but you would ask them how to switch from a desk job to construction&quot;_" CreationDate="2012-07-21T08:29:29.867" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="891" PostId="332" Score="1" Text="@gnat I can't really think of how to work that in, and it pretty much just echos the last point made in there." CreationDate="2012-07-21T13:52:43.010" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="892" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="@Rarity (upon re-reading last point) agree, it's pretty much the same. Hm, _ins and outs_ point wording looks worth improving - the fact that reading it _twice_ before didn't help me grok the idea rings a bell doesn't it" CreationDate="2012-07-21T15:52:08.143" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="893" PostId="332" Score="1" Text="@gnat made a slight tweak at http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/345/faq-proposal-off-topic-areas" CreationDate="2012-07-21T15:59:46.737" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="894" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="@Rarity that's certainly better. Although, not there yet. I compared its structure to other points which feel OK to me, and maybe, another issue is in presentation: it starts with presenting opposite (&quot;should be about&quot;) as opposed to jumping straight at the &quot;what's wrong&quot;. This sort of breaks attention flow of a reader &quot;oh I should post about topics... now, what was the _off-topic_ point?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-07-21T16:08:59.653" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="895" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="@gnat It goes example, explanation. All examples are off topic. The explanations don't necessarily lead with &quot;this sucks because&quot;, they're just an explanation. I don't really think it breaks the flow at all, and not all of the other explanations lead with &quot;Don't ask this&quot;" CreationDate="2012-07-21T16:14:08.630" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="896" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="@Rarity I see. &quot;Don't necessarily&quot; makes sense but the fact is, all of three points that consistently start explanation part with &quot;this sucks&quot; were easier to me to read compared to one that started with positive one. Maybe it's just me. Or maybe it won't be the issue upon I dunno more re-reading (I for one tend to re-read SE FAQs more than 2-3 times)" CreationDate="2012-07-21T16:19:19.187" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="897" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="@gnat The third one also starts that way though. Why is that one okay? They're bot explanations of what's wrong anyway." CreationDate="2012-07-21T16:27:20.460" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="898" PostId="332" Score="0" Text="@Rarity yeah, third one &quot;more than just you&quot;. Reads to me _not just you_ that's why I perceive it like I do for first and second" CreationDate="2012-07-21T17:17:26.663" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="807" PostId="333" Score="1" Text="I think the problem on Programmers is different than ours. I agree with you, more details serve as context, as long as there *actually is a question*." CreationDate="2012-07-13T18:41:30.307" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="808" PostId="333" Score="0" Text="@NickC I think the concern was a bit biased by problems on Programmers...but at the same time I'm concerned and don't want to go down the same exact road as early Programmers" CreationDate="2012-07-13T18:42:57.180" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="817" PostId="333" Score="0" Text="Rarity: On the contrary, some moderators *only* regard abstract questions that can be backed up with anecdotes as 'On-Topic'. Any questions that refer to specific issues in the popular press that may yield largely applicable lessons will be abruptly closed: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/334/too-localized-are-you-kidding-me" CreationDate="2012-07-14T18:15:20.853" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="822" PostId="333" Score="3" Text="@JimG. I really don't think that's relevant here. The issue with your question isn't about presence or lack of anecdotes." CreationDate="2012-07-14T20:51:13.527" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="843" PostId="333" Score="0" Text="What problems on Programmers?" CreationDate="2012-07-16T18:29:37.213" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="845" PostId="333" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos double posting moderators. They just mentioned that anytime they see an anecdote in a question on Programmers they immediately hate the question" CreationDate="2012-07-16T18:32:42.683" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="868" PostId="333" Score="0" Text="Ohh the irony..." CreationDate="2012-07-20T18:02:21.673" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="849" PostId="334" Score="3" Text="This sounds more like a thesis assignment than a Stack Exchange question. The possible answers are &quot;yes&quot; and &quot;no&quot;, but either one could be argued for, landing it exactly in the &quot;not constructive&quot; category." CreationDate="2012-07-18T19:30:45.323" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="987" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="Stack exchange (and workplace by extension) are not places to start discussions of current events.  this is a place to ask questions relating to the workplace.  By the logic you put in a coment below, you're saying that any question pertaining to events that have happened in a workplace are viable here.  thus, the recent shootings in Aurora Col. would be open for discussion here due to them taking place in someone's workplace.  No.  flat out no.  You're asking about a very specific occurrence.  That is too localized.  In addition, the tone of your question was far too aggressive and pointed." CreationDate="2012-07-26T17:18:42.797" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="988" PostId="334" Score="0" Text="At least, that's my understanding of the situation.  I tend to be a bit blunt with things like this, but those are the points that jumped out to me." CreationDate="2012-07-26T17:19:50.237" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="990" PostId="334" Score="1" Text="@acolyte: I mostly agree with you. I just got off on the wrong foot with the moderator who abruptly closed the question; but thankfully folks, like yourself and Anna Lear clarified things." CreationDate="2012-07-27T02:42:22.987" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="811" PostId="335" Score="0" Text="You're wrong. It is very possible to formulate an objective answer to this question. Also, let me remind you that you earned 18 upvotes for an answer to this question: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1562/how-could-i-explain-a-2-year-gap-in-obtaining-a-degree-due-to-dropping-out-and-t/1564#1564" CreationDate="2012-07-14T17:57:28.653" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="812" PostId="335" Score="5" Text="@JimG. If you'd like a chance of finding out how your question can be edited to be reopened, I suggest you try for a more constructive tone." CreationDate="2012-07-14T17:59:36.363" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="813" PostId="335" Score="0" Text="@JimG. ...which is a practical and answerable question.  Not sure what you're getting at, but I have provided via the FAQ the guidelines for a starting point for modifications on your part if that is something you are interested in.  NickC has also made a fine suggestion; the rest is up to you or any other community members who want to help your question become useful." CreationDate="2012-07-14T18:03:30.273" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="816" PostId="335" Score="2" Text="@JimG. Actually, the reason StackExchange works is that the community can undo actions of mods if those with earned privileges vote accordingly." CreationDate="2012-07-14T18:12:49.777" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="818" PostId="335" Score="1" Text="@JimG. What I'm getting at is that usually it doesn't help to just tell someone &quot;they're wrong&quot;. It doesn't convince or persuade them, and usually it just makes things worse." CreationDate="2012-07-14T18:25:53.943" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="819" PostId="335" Score="0" Text="@NickC: I totally agree. Unfortunately, that's precisely what jcmeloni did when she swiftly and abruptly closed my question without fully considering the ramifications or applicability of her actions. She treated it like a &quot;slam dunk&quot; case which is patently absurd. Observing and critiquing issues in the popular press is a cornerstone of any decent business school education. Emphasis: It's entirely possible to formulate an objective answer to this question that will yield widely applicable and useful lessons." CreationDate="2012-07-14T18:30:26.957" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="820" PostId="335" Score="2" Text="@JimG. - As someone who lives in the UK I can tell you that your question is **definitely** too localized. If it were not already closed, I would have voted to close for that reason. Stack Exchange sites serve more than the US of A." CreationDate="2012-07-14T19:35:51.047" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="821" PostId="335" Score="4" Text="@JimG. As a moderator I can tell you that's *not* equivalent to closing.  A &quot;close&quot; is not a judgment nor is it permanent, it is meant as a &quot;this question's not right at this time&quot; but that doesn't mean it's not close.  It's often a tough call to make, and unfortunately we don't have the time to make the edits ourselves, so if you don't know what's needed to change or disagree, you're perfectly welcome to bring it to meta as you did; it would just be helpful if it was a discussion instead of an argument." CreationDate="2012-07-14T19:52:58.607" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="841" PostId="335" Score="3" Text="@Oded now, something only applying to a nation of 300 million people is not too localized. Something applying to only a room of about 30 people is. Not saying that's a reason to reopen the question, but it's deeper than &quot;it's not globally applicable&quot;" CreationDate="2012-07-16T02:27:15.870" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="850" PostId="338" Score="0" Text="We're trying to make improvements to our FAQ in [this question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/320/faq-what-questions-can-i-ask-here) and I've laid out some (I hope) good general &quot;off topic&quot; bits but we still need a better description of what's *on* topic IMO." CreationDate="2012-07-19T21:27:44.073" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="851" PostId="338" Score="9" Text="Where have you seen &quot;catty&quot; and &quot;condescending&quot; comments? There have been some cases where users are (understandably) upset that their post was closed, but I haven't seen much rudeness by those closing questions. Examples would be great." CreationDate="2012-07-19T21:28:37.783" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="852" PostId="338" Score="6" Text="I'd also like to say I've seen lots of questions that could have been closed outright by a moderator, but the other moderators had left constructive comments and waited for the community to deal with them or close them.  Usually, when a moderator closes outright, it's at the request of a (correct) flag." CreationDate="2012-07-19T21:37:11.613" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="854" PostId="338" Score="0" Text="+1: I've observed the same. In fact, I strongly considered emailing the stackexchange team to inform them of this behavior. // IMHO: If the moderation doesn't improve *significantly*, then this site risks irrelevancy." CreationDate="2012-07-20T02:38:41.503" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="856" PostId="338" Score="6" Text="@Jim: we do watch the site and meta too y'know... If you want to bring out specific examples as Rarity suggests, it would help a great deal in evaluating the merits and severity of this complaint." CreationDate="2012-07-20T03:58:09.957" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="879" PostId="338" Score="0" Text="I've changed the title a bit; I want to keep this meta post on topic, not a dumping ground for rants." CreationDate="2012-07-20T19:16:18.877" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="882" PostId="338" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - Your edit took my second answer off topic..." CreationDate="2012-07-20T19:31:21.387" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="883" PostId="338" Score="0" Text="@Chad it wasn't really on topic. Though this question was broad, the stated intent seems clearly about rude comments/arguments on closed questions. Meta questions need to be focused to remain constructive as well" CreationDate="2012-07-20T19:34:15.827" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="885" PostId="338" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - The problem here is not necessarily the mods.  But the 2 problems I see (as a site issue) deal with the catty issue.  I see and actually agree with the assessment and have been trying really hard to combat it myself.  Just like in high school the kids will stand back and watch a fight.  If the teachers will not step in and stop the fight when they see them the kids will stop coming to school unless they want to get in a fight... /metaphor  It applies here.  If users are allowed to attack people trying to help or get help (even passive-agressively) the people will stay away." CreationDate="2012-07-20T20:17:50.563" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="886" PostId="338" Score="1" Text="@Chad I'm just not seeing these attacks, and I review almost all new questions (and am responsible for many closures). Without examples this all *sounds* like a important discussion to have, but if you look closely there doesn't appear to be anything we're talking about. Sure, don't be catty, always good advice. But who's actually being catty?" CreationDate="2012-07-20T20:34:02.117" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="887" PostId="338" Score="1" Text="@Rarity I was referencing closed questions in my initial post, however I agree with Chad, and it was not my intention to limit the scope of the question to simply &quot;closed questions.&quot;  The berating of people asking a question, as evidenced by the example in Chad's second answer, is relevant as well.  The passive-aggressive comments in posts are what really make it a bad experience to participate in the site.  I don't see why a new user would stay in a community like that, which is why I raised this question." CreationDate="2012-07-20T20:38:38.890" UserId="1685" />
  <row Id="888" PostId="338" Score="0" Text="You could have pointed to examples; do you have more than that one post? Yes, the comments were a bit excessive in that post. It also hit Reddit and got 15,000 views. It is not particularly representative of the typical new question experience (nor has the author left the site for it). I have noticed some rude comments and have edited them to be more constructive however. But I also maintain that &quot;don't do that&quot; and the reasons *why not* offered in that question *are* constructive." CreationDate="2012-07-20T20:51:29.397" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="928" PostId="338" Score="1" Text="I'm pretty sure this whole topic here is 100% pointless, unless examples can be given.  We've seen one...kinda.  The one example that was brought up was not even all that applicable." CreationDate="2012-07-24T15:14:53.457" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="864" PostId="340" Score="3" Text="One of the reasons we try to close quickly and ask for edits, improvements, clarifications in could-be-good-but-needs-a-little-work questions (not so much those that are more clear cut), *especially* with new users, is so that they can see how the process works and that the potentially reopened question is one that gets better, more focused answers from the start. But we don't get to them all, and not everyone with commenting and voting privs is always (or even sometimes) constructive. (I'm agreeing w/ you BTW)" CreationDate="2012-07-20T17:14:56.287" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="869" PostId="340" Score="0" Text="Votes are supposed to represent the quality of the question. I've very rarely seen any situation here where the &quot;piling on&quot; was inappropriate, rather it's almost always an indication of a very poor question." CreationDate="2012-07-20T18:43:58.217" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="870" PostId="340" Score="0" Text="I removed your last two statements as they were not accurate. New users can edit their own questions and are free to comment on their own question and answers to it. Downvotes do not prevent editing of anything. Closed, downvoted questions can always be edited by their author as long as the account is not deleted and not suspended." CreationDate="2012-07-20T18:45:10.137" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="876" PostId="340" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - Requires 5 rep for comment on own and 10 for edit own (or vice versa) ... please look into it if this is not how it is supposed to be." CreationDate="2012-07-20T19:11:29.427" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="878" PostId="340" Score="2" Text="@Chad the only 5 rep requirement is to post on Meta. 10 rep allows you to add more than 2 hyperlinks or inline images, nothing prevents 1 rep users from editing/commenting on their won questions. I've definitely seen 1 rep users comment and edit on this very site as well." CreationDate="2012-07-20T19:14:22.153" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="884" PostId="340" Score="1" Text="For those wanting to see the posts that have been &quot;piled on with downvotes,&quot; here you go: [lowest scoring posts currently on the site](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions?page=35&amp;sort=votes&amp;pagesize=15)" CreationDate="2012-07-20T19:45:56.233" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="863" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="I agree with you, &amp; we do try to do something with &quot;attacking&quot; types of answers when we see them, but one thing we do have working against us as moderators is that we have very few people actively flagging anything. I can almost name every unique person who has raised a flag.  Then we are in the position of making judgement calls on borderline cases *in a new site* that we would much prefer the community votes on (obvious Q&amp;As that don't fit, no problem handling), or simply not seeing them at all (we don't read every single Q &amp; A here). I also think this question got out of control in general." CreationDate="2012-07-20T17:08:45.607" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="865" PostId="341" Score="4" Text="there is a related and quite thorough discussion at MSO: **[Is “Don't do it” a valid answer?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8891/is-dont-do-it-a-valid-answer)** It indicates some differences in community members opinions, but overall pretty heavily tilted in favor of &quot;it's a valid answer, provided that you explain _why_ the OP shouldn't do it...&quot; - accepted answer, voted 83 with next one (&quot;it depends on the context...&quot;) voted 17" CreationDate="2012-07-20T17:16:01.717" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="866" PostId="341" Score="1" Text="@Jcmeloni - Look at what happened with all of my flags and you will understand why I have quit flagging here.  I have 95% helpful rate everywhere else.  And fyi I did flag the 4 worst answers on that question and all were declined even though 3 of them were removed." CreationDate="2012-07-20T17:56:23.727" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="867" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="@gnat - It is but one do not do it answer is enough.   There are actually 3 do not do it answers(that i do not agree with) that I would consider valid.  But they were more of a slow down and look at what you are doing type of answer." CreationDate="2012-07-20T18:02:00.007" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="871" PostId="341" Score="1" Text="I disagree here; &quot;Doing that is a bad idea and here are solid reasons why&quot; can be a perfectly acceptable answer, especially on a site with subjective questions such as this. I don't think those answers should all say the same thing of course, but there's nothing special about &quot;don't do that&quot; answers in that regard." CreationDate="2012-07-20T18:47:26.280" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="872" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="Uh, no, you only flagged one of those deleted answers, and it was deleted by its' owner, not a moderator. I'll also note it was only one of two positive scoring posts that were deleted there." CreationDate="2012-07-20T18:50:46.363" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="873" PostId="341" Score="1" Text="I want to clarify what I was agreeing with in my comment -- answers that look like they are attacking a user are things we try to catch and avoid; answers that are &quot;don't do that and here's why&quot; (in constructive ways) are totally fine by me." CreationDate="2012-07-20T19:05:20.137" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="874" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - *it was only one of two positive scoring posts that were deleted there* I think that is the problem though.  I flagged several of them but they were all declined." CreationDate="2012-07-20T19:07:32.903" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="881" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="I think there's constructive discussion and clarifications in these answers so I would not like to see them removed." CreationDate="2012-07-20T19:25:14.883" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="889" PostId="341" Score="2" Text="Also interesting, according to the original asker of that question, [they've basically taken the advice to not go through with this](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/450/how-can-i-encourage-a-culture-of-punctuality-in-a-software-company/1188#comment4984_1188). Again, &quot;Don't do that&quot; can be good advice." CreationDate="2012-07-20T21:51:33.583" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="908" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="@Rarity that is not how i read that at all. *Leadership has reinforced the requirement for punctuality*. No punishment is not the same as not wanting people there on time.  And again I do not have a problem with the dont do it answers.  Most of these are you are wrong to try which is differnt than do not do it." CreationDate="2012-07-22T20:13:04.900" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="912" PostId="341" Score="1" Text="@Rarity: You are incorrect, we are continuing to go through with it.  We have opted not to introduce any escalation unless the violations are excessive and frequent.  We have further introduced some additional perks to help morale." CreationDate="2012-07-23T15:38:00.390" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="914" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="@JacobG most of the answers stated something like &quot;don't punish them or overly focus on timing&quot;...it seems like that's exactly what you've done. The answers weren't &quot;Don't bother with punctuality at all&quot; but rather &quot;don't take away perks&quot;" CreationDate="2012-07-23T16:08:55.393" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="915" PostId="341" Score="1" Text="@Rarity - That's a distinction without a difference.  If a flexible start-time is considered a perk and we no longer allow for a flexible start-time, tell me to &quot;not take away a perk&quot; is telling me &quot;Don't do that.&quot;" CreationDate="2012-07-23T16:16:15.083" UserId="75" />
  <row Id="917" PostId="341" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - The question was not how do i punish them.  It was how do I encourage a culture of punctuality. I think that is the difference that irritated me most about the don't do that answers." CreationDate="2012-07-23T16:26:57.320" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="877" PostId="342" Score="4" Text="I would be happy to take responsibility for choosing the wrong close reason out of the three possible I could have just as easily checked. I chose &quot;too localized&quot; first because to even begin to edit the question to be something constructive and on-topic (as you have here), *all of the localized aspects* (time and place) would have to be explained.  If it were not too localized, I would have similarly instantly closed it as not constructive -- pure conjecture, which *is* for academic debates, but is *not* for SE." CreationDate="2012-07-20T19:11:35.483" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="880" PostId="342" Score="1" Text="@jcmeloni - To me to localized is it is only ever likely to apply to a very limited subset of people.  Sadly this problem recurs with too much frequency.  For that reason I disagree with the to localized.  BUT the question needed closed it is closed.  In the end you did good IMO :)" CreationDate="2012-07-20T19:18:10.527" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="899" PostId="345" Score="0" Text="You should also tell people that abstract questions are preferred. Questions that involve specific people, or specific events will likely be closed as 'Too Localized'." CreationDate="2012-07-22T04:58:31.337" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="900" PostId="345" Score="5" Text="@JimG. Umm, no. That's a misrepresentation of the Too Localized close reason and part of an argument best left to [your post on the matter](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/334/too-localized-are-you-kidding-me)" CreationDate="2012-07-22T13:39:55.327" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="985" PostId="345" Score="0" Text="So... does the [meta question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2816/how-do-you-research-which-job-skills-or-technologies-to-learn) about how do i figure it out for myself off topic?  I kind of think by extention it is." CreationDate="2012-07-26T15:19:23.883" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="986" PostId="345" Score="0" Text="@Chad that one's much more generally applicable (by intent apparently) so I'm more content to leave it sit. Since it's staying to a general &quot;career development&quot; theme it's less objectionable. I like Rachel's [&quot;generic career councilor&quot;](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/5443950#5443950) test for questions like that. You wouldn't ask them how to learn C++, but maybe you'd ask them how to find out if you *need* to learn C++" CreationDate="2012-07-26T15:22:56.903" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="901" PostId="347" Score="5" Text="The last one has a *single* answer and *no* comments. You can't *possibly* expect us to believe you honestly believe this to be an example of &quot;debate, polling and extended discussion&quot;." CreationDate="2012-07-22T15:42:14.803" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="902" PostId="348" Score="0" Text="So you think it's constructive to debate the efficacy of a 'Thank You' note?" CreationDate="2012-07-22T16:11:01.597" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="903" PostId="348" Score="3" Text="@JimG. if you don't like the content of this site you're welcome to leave." CreationDate="2012-07-22T16:41:50.103" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="904" PostId="348" Score="1" Text="Let's spare the ad hominem attacks and constructively discuss the rules and formulation of Workplace.SE." CreationDate="2012-07-22T16:49:11.423" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="906" PostId="348" Score="3" Text="@JimG. Let's do discuss those things. But let's be clear, that's not an [ad hominem](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) attack, nor an attack at all." CreationDate="2012-07-22T16:57:01.010" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="907" PostId="348" Score="0" Text="@NickC: Much appreciated." CreationDate="2012-07-22T17:00:57.607" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="909" PostId="350" Score="0" Text="There was one comment that referred to the asker as sounding like a &quot;douchey boss&quot; which I edited. There are a couple referencing being a &quot;dictatorial&quot; boss which I left...I think how a plan might come off to workers is very much something that should be covered in responses, as much as I want to keep a civil atmosphere I don't want to squelch all opposition to an asker's idea. So there was a tiny bit of rudeness there, but I think it's better now." CreationDate="2012-07-23T11:59:23.323" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="916" PostId="350" Score="0" Text="To be fair had there not been several other answers that basically said you are wrong to try I would not have down voted yours.  I would like to add that I was polite and did not discuss it at length.  I explained my down vote and I stand by it.  That said I do not think I flagged your answer as one to delete.(not that any of them were accepted anyway)" CreationDate="2012-07-23T16:16:29.613" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="918" PostId="350" Score="0" Text="I can definitely understand where you're coming from. After seeing several negative responses, that can put you on the defensive. &#xA;I don't think you were out of line, but your comment seemed a bit curt to me. Your comment *did* help make my answer better, IMHO, even if it did make me a little defensive. I probably could have reacted a bit better myself rather than accusing you of serial downvoting." CreationDate="2012-07-23T19:29:37.870" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="910" PostId="351" Score="3" Text="Yes. That's a good blog post, and we don't try to be rude; see my answer. At the risk of sounding rude...what is your point? Aside from a single question, which only you and Chad seem to think was handled rudely, I'm just not seeing this rudeness. Telling us &quot;hey guys, be less rude&quot; without examples or anything we can do about it is not a constructive discussion. I'm trying to be patient here, but this question thus far has just been a dumping ground for unfocused rants. That is not how constructive meta discussions happen." CreationDate="2012-07-23T15:01:19.980" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="911" PostId="351" Score="1" Text="I opened this question to spark discussion, and some people agree.  Obviously from the post I just linked, this problem is prevalent.  I find that a lot of the rude and catty comments are actually from you.  And this is not a personal attack.  I think this just shows how some people view rudeness in different lights.  When your only comment on an answer or suggestion from someone is &quot;Ummmm...no&quot; (it was a meta question i believe), that's a complete turnoff and hits my point.  Since you are a moderator and feel your tone and rudeness is appropriate, I will find somewhere else to play." CreationDate="2012-07-23T15:14:20.403" UserId="1685" />
  <row Id="913" PostId="351" Score="3" Text="His [&quot;suggestion&quot;](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/345/faq-proposal-off-topic-areas#comment899_345) was a continuation of a [meta rant](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/334/too-localized-are-you-kidding-me). It was not made in good faith." CreationDate="2012-07-23T15:45:26.030" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="922" PostId="351" Score="2" Text="@squeemish - We're on the Internet, which is like the wild wild west. It's virtually impossible to be *direct* when disagreeing with someone without sounding rude or curt. If you feel some comments directed to you are rude, reply with the sweetest tone you can muster. Oftentimes you'll find that the dissenter's intention is not to be rude but to make a very clear, distinct point. I hope you don't leave without at least giving that a shot ;)" CreationDate="2012-07-24T02:44:14.290" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="923" PostId="351" Score="0" Text="Side note to those interested in The Summer of Love stuff; the [follow up article](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/07/week-2-of-the-summer-of-love-researching-comments/) shows the &quot;friendliness&quot; of Stack Overflow has been increasing fairly significantly over the last three years. We're not Stack Overflow, but keep in mind that the posted data here doesn't back up the complaints that Stack Overflow is getting ruder at all." CreationDate="2012-07-24T12:35:58.543" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="920" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="I was hoping to have a better &quot;who's this site for&quot; blurb as well, if you (or anyone else) have any ideas" CreationDate="2012-07-23T21:50:03.240" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="935" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="I rather liked that it was open ended.  The idea that the site helps everyone from interns to people looking to retire struck me as pretty neat, and the thought that ideally it would draw different types of professionals was appealing." CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:06:45.460" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="938" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="Open is good, we do accept all those groups of people, I'm just concerned it's a bit hard to &quot;get&quot; what it's about. Maybe that's not as necessary though. Aside from the off topic areas above I haven't seen too much confusion about *who* the site is for" CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:16:08.487" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="940" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="Yeah... case in point, I'm reading the &quot;fired for a bad reason&quot; on the main site - it's a guy from a totally different position than mine - but very interesting reading as the answer written to him about explaining and considering what you can learn from the experience would be useful for all sorts of positions with similar experiences." CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:24:33.650" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="948" PostId="353" Score="0" Text="I think a definition of a term is General Reference... How does it apply to the workplace or something ... ie what is six sigma is good though." CreationDate="2012-07-24T19:19:27.470" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="973" PostId="353" Score="1" Text="@Chad - exactly... hmm... putting in an update." CreationDate="2012-07-25T19:47:05.380" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="919" PostId="354" Score="1" Text="IMO the latter is clearly Too Localized (different at all times and all locales, the answer is always &quot;look at the current market rate around you&quot;). The former is trickier; I think it's a bit strong to say things that could be out dated in *years* are off topic. Changing information is a challenge, however I think it's risky to try and say it's just plain off topic" CreationDate="2012-07-23T20:29:41.887" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="921" PostId="354" Score="2" Text="to repel questions like &quot;fair market rate for X career&quot;, I'd consider referring [Q&amp;A is Hard, Let’s Go Shopping!](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/) in the FAQ. _&quot;...What’s the point of a bunch of labor intensive questions that provide only temporary benefit to a limited (some might say Too Localized) audience? There isn’t any...&quot;_" CreationDate="2012-07-24T02:06:09.597" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="936" PostId="354" Score="1" Text="To be clear, I was thinking that this was a good compare/contrast - the first one (cell phones) - being on topic because answers generally work now for most times, places, and cultures.  The later being OT for specificity and @gnat - I love that link!  Hadn't seen it!  It's exactly what I was thinking, too." CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:11:15.973" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="953" PostId="354" Score="0" Text="*Is it rude to do X regarding cellphones?&quot; could easily be out of date information in a few years.* - Nope. You lost me with this one. This would be a great on-topic question. // Furthermore, there's no need to be excessively concerned with the &quot;time-sensitive&quot; nature of an on-topic question. Stackexchange is a tool for the here and the now. And all answers are at least a little bit time-sensitive anyhow. // Beth: I usually agree with your answers across all stackexchange sites; but I'm totally on the other side on this one." CreationDate="2012-07-25T00:12:30.760" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="974" PostId="354" Score="0" Text="@Jim - please reread, I was trying to offer a compare/contrast - cell phone ettiquitte is and has been in transition but *might* fairly be considered a topic (I am actually ambivalent).  Salaries for this year are too limited in scope to be generally useful.  I'm going to try clarifying in the post..." CreationDate="2012-07-25T19:49:58.483" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="925" PostId="355" Score="1" Text="are comments explaining downvotes rude?" CreationDate="2012-07-24T14:45:51.270" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="926" PostId="355" Score="7" Text="@gnat it's all in how you phrase it. I suggest [explaining what's wrong, not that you downvoted](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/138189/is-it-ok-to-indicate-that-i-downvoted-in-a-comment/138191#138191) in a comment. Seeing the -1 on comments doesn't seem necessary to me" CreationDate="2012-07-24T14:57:47.380" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="929" PostId="355" Score="3" Text="agree, avoiding -1 sounds reasonable. Poster who received downvote is already aware of it, no use of repeating" CreationDate="2012-07-24T15:15:47.973" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="930" PostId="355" Score="2" Text="One thing I find extremely rude is when people throw around empty accusations, without a shred of evidence, just because they are bitter their question got closed..." CreationDate="2012-07-24T16:06:48.353" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="939" PostId="355" Score="0" Text="@rarity It has been considered a courtesy on other sites if you are going to downvote then stand up and say why...  It is even in the down vote text." CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:22:12.503" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="941" PostId="355" Score="4" Text="@Chad did you read the post I linked? Explaining what's wrong is great. There's no need to start off with &quot;-1&quot; or &quot;I downvoted&quot;, that just makes it personal instead of focusing your comment on improving the post. People should improve posts because they're incorrect/could be better, not because they want their 2 rep back." CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:27:06.240" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="944" PostId="355" Score="1" Text="@Rarity - I Do not have a problem with that so long as we take the stance against the +1 comments as well.  Comments are for improving the question not discussion." CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:34:36.623" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="946" PostId="355" Score="3" Text="@Chad same logic applies, though +1 comments are often just plain noise so I didn't bring them up in the other discussion. Plus they're not &quot;rude&quot;, just not useful, so they don't really fit into this post here" CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:44:50.120" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="947" PostId="355" Score="0" Text="@Rarity the problem is when you eliminate the -1 from the comments anything that doesn't have a +1 becomes rude. Stackflation (Copyright 2012 Chad all rights reserved)(that is a joke I am not claiming copyright but i will claim prior art)  So we can declare war on the -1 but only if we go after the +1 too." CreationDate="2012-07-24T19:06:40.733" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="949" PostId="355" Score="0" Text="@chad +1 i agree.  (joking)  but in all seriousness, i think ti really depends on the content of a comment.  a '+1' is nowhere near as rude as a '-1', and thus i think should only be regulated based on the content.  If it's just a &quot;+1 you have the right of it&quot;, then that's bad.  but if it is &quot;+1, i think you give some good points, especially regarding...&quot; then that is good." CreationDate="2012-07-24T20:34:49.777" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="1044" PostId="355" Score="0" Text="I vote for close. I think this question is meaningless given the fact that SE already have a standard on downvote/closing question." CreationDate="2012-08-04T03:28:48.737" UserId="709" />
  <row Id="1045" PostId="355" Score="3" Text="@lamwaiman1988 sites can and do have their own standards, and can often discuss matters related to &quot;standards&quot; SE has. This is an informative post to help explain what's rude, what you should do about it, and what's just normal use of the site." CreationDate="2012-08-04T16:35:24.920" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="937" PostId="356" Score="0" Text="If this isn't up on the FAQ, I think it could go up verbatim." CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:14:33.287" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="942" PostId="356" Score="0" Text="@bethlakshmi It's a bit long for the site's /faq (the etiquette section has a short explanation of the last part, sorta). I could make it an [faq] tag question on Meta though." CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:28:09.610" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="943" PostId="356" Score="0" Text="Yeah, that'd work.  I see your point." CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:33:36.937" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="945" PostId="356" Score="0" Text="@bethlakshmi stuck on a [faq] tag FWIW. Don't think we have any other faq style questions to go with it yet" CreationDate="2012-07-24T18:37:02.733" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="924" PostId="357" Score="0" Text="Plus the close text already says &quot;read the FAQ&quot;/ this is off topic/ect, so like I say in my answer, you're not really helping. I don't see many of those (not sure I've seen *any* on Workplace)" CreationDate="2012-07-24T14:35:33.040" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="927" PostId="357" Score="1" Text="only think that's missing from your answer is a few examples of actual closure comments, to show that the workplace is actually one of the nicest SE communities. I'd edit them in myself but I'm on mobile and editing is a bit akward..." CreationDate="2012-07-24T15:11:33.540" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="931" PostId="357" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos Sure, I added some examples comments. As a side note, jcmeloni your closure comments are great. I had a hard time not using you for all the examples :)" CreationDate="2012-07-24T16:16:15.487" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="932" PostId="357" Score="0" Text="Hey! Spell my name right, please... :)" CreationDate="2012-07-24T16:19:05.920" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="933" PostId="357" Score="1" Text="@YannisRizos lol oops sorry, I'm used to @Ya[tab] spelling your name for me :)" CreationDate="2012-07-24T16:27:50.420" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="984" PostId="357" Score="1" Text="On another &quot;Good closure&quot; note: [Yup, I understand the dynamics better and I appreciate that the community was so supportive and proactive in the whole process. Looking forward to answers now.....](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2799/how-can-i-tell-if-my-shyness-is-an-issue-at-a-workplace#comment5666_2799)" CreationDate="2012-07-26T12:00:42.797" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="993" PostId="358" Score="1" Text="`IMO, it is better to use the voting tools and not comment than to use the tools and provide a non-specific comment.` Sadly, there's a ton of people who go for commenting (most of the times harsh, borderline rude) without even thinking of using the tools. Don't have access to such info on The Workplace, but on Programmers it's somewhat common to see a comment along the lines of &quot;This is off topic, read the FAQ&quot;, with the poster not bothering to flag / vote to close or even vote on the question. I kill those comments right as I see them, but most of the times the damage is done..." CreationDate="2012-07-27T14:55:25.740" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="952" PostId="359" Score="2" Text="I partially agree with this but don't really think it belongs here.I really don't think omitting most -1s on comments implies that all comments without a +1 are rude. I do agree both -1 and +1 are non-constructive and should be left out of your comment, but that's a different discussion" CreationDate="2012-07-24T22:16:59.527" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="965" PostId="359" Score="3" Text="i still maintain that prefacing your comment with a '+1' is not rude at all, and is not even all that non-constructive as long as you continue on and explain your reasoning." CreationDate="2012-07-25T14:14:37.857" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="967" PostId="359" Score="1" Text="I find it rude.  So either i do not matter or it is rude to some people." CreationDate="2012-07-25T15:02:16.237" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="968" PostId="359" Score="0" Text="@Chad All the SE sites are communities, and communities work with a little social lubrication, which is what including &quot;+1&quot; in comments is about.  What you're proposing is a community that is cleansed of all normative content (other than votes), which IMO is not a &quot;community&quot; is all.&#xA;That we don't share your perceptions doesn't mean they don't matter, just that they aren't a veto." CreationDate="2012-07-25T18:33:48.723" UserId="375" />
  <row Id="969" PostId="359" Score="1" Text="I do not share the perception that -1 in a comment is rude.  It is respectful of the person in that I am willing to say yes I down voted you and usually I will reverse if the issues I point out are addressed." CreationDate="2012-07-25T18:40:14.847" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="970" PostId="359" Score="2" Text="OK, so I guess you're saying that if we stipulate that -1 is rude, then it follows that +1 must also be rude." CreationDate="2012-07-25T19:03:17.927" UserId="375" />
  <row Id="971" PostId="359" Score="1" Text="Here's my disagreement.  Let's assume that insulting a co-worker's appearance is rude. Then we say that complimenting their appearance (not in a sexual way, I mean like &quot;nice shirt&quot;) is also rude, b/c it means makes those who don't offer compliments appear rude." CreationDate="2012-07-25T19:05:12.103" UserId="375" />
  <row Id="972" PostId="359" Score="2" Text="I suppose that's a valid position, but I'd rather live in a world (or participate in a community) where sincere compliments flowed with the occasional insult then one in which people only registered feedback using a formalized voting system.  And I think don't think that discouraging insults means we must also discourage compliments." CreationDate="2012-07-25T19:07:55.890" UserId="375" />
  <row Id="975" PostId="359" Score="1" Text="@JohnMcG very well said.  chad, what we're saying is that +1'ing or -1'ing have no place here, UNLESS they're followed by some sort of contributing discourse.  Would you ever recommend a restaurant to a friend?  If you would, then is that not being rude to all the other ones in the city by not recommending them?" CreationDate="2012-07-25T20:14:56.770" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="976" PostId="359" Score="0" Text="@Acolyte - I agree they need clarification... the talk is about barring the door to -1 with reason comments though.  And its no less rude to recommend one than to warn about the bad experience you had at another." CreationDate="2012-07-25T20:28:25.940" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="954" PostId="360" Score="5" Text="Having trouble balancing confidence and rudeness is not a workplace specific problem; you can easily replace the word &quot;boss&quot; with &quot;friend&quot; or any other noun referring to another human being. As for the speed of closing, it's when I saw the question. We close questions ASAP so they can be improved ASAP and so that people don't waste time answering a vague/off topic question." CreationDate="2012-07-25T02:26:51.887" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="956" PostId="360" Score="0" Text="It's a pity. I hope that this question will be opened again. I my opinion it belongs here and it is on-topic. May be after an edit it is more concrete. Don't give up" CreationDate="2012-07-25T05:38:47.737" UserId="137" />
  <row Id="961" PostId="360" Score="0" Text="@Rarity i suggested an edit to original question." CreationDate="2012-07-25T13:50:32.390" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="962" PostId="360" Score="0" Text="@Rarity. Now that you people have clarified, I see the problem, how would questions like - &quot;How much would it hurt my progress if I am forthright and rude to my colleagues and boss when expressing my opinions?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-07-25T13:57:51.520" UserDisplayName="user186" />
  <row Id="963" PostId="360" Score="0" Text="@acolyte the edit makes it sound like a polling/Not Constructive question. If you have to ask for general &quot;tips for dealing with X&quot; you probably haven't come down to a specific problem yet" CreationDate="2012-07-25T13:58:09.967" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="966" PostId="360" Score="0" Text="@Rarity fair enough, i was just trying to narrow it down a little bit, focus it a bit better." CreationDate="2012-07-25T14:15:22.737" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="955" PostId="361" Score="5" Text="Yep, and I agree with the closing, there are too many dimensions to be answered in its general form." CreationDate="2012-07-25T04:57:39.903" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="957" PostId="363" Score="0" Text="Arg how is that second question still getting upvotes? We are not group therapy." CreationDate="2012-07-25T13:05:33.557" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="958" PostId="363" Score="0" Text="I dunno. There aren't reopen votes, though, so that's something." CreationDate="2012-07-25T13:07:27.327" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="959" PostId="363" Score="1" Text="Just seems to be a trend of sympathy voting as opposed to *quality* voting. Vote for what's on-topic and you want to see *more* of, not because a downvoted question looks like a sad puppy..." CreationDate="2012-07-25T13:09:32.897" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="978" PostId="364" Score="3" Text="Job-change is important and distinct; changing from one job to another has some unique aspects. [tag:job] is totally useless, brb. Aaaaand there's no more job tag." CreationDate="2012-07-25T20:41:40.060" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="991" PostId="364" Score="0" Text="@Rarity a moment of silence. :bows head:...&#xA;&#xA;right. beth, you bring up a very good point.  however, i don't think that 'job-search', 'job-change', 'hireing-process', and 'recruitment' are similar enough to warrant combining the tags.  perhaps some more focus would be nice, descriptions that imply, say, 'recruiment' is for questions relating to the recruiting side of things, while 'hireing-process' would be from the recruitee." CreationDate="2012-07-27T13:58:47.893" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="979" PostId="365" Score="1" Text="Which tag would I use if I have a question about dealing with &quot;recruitment&quot; in the sense of being recruited, responding to recruiters, and those things that are not applicable to job searches in general? [tag:recruiters]?" CreationDate="2012-07-25T21:18:49.297" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="980" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="@NickC currently that's Recruitment. I still hold that 'recruiters' isn't a good way to disambiguate that though (which is why it's currently a synonym of recruitment). Open to suggestions on how to split it into recruiting vs being recruited" CreationDate="2012-07-25T21:21:15.797" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="981" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="Well, I would say [tag:recruiting] is better for your description above -- maybe as a subset of [tag:recruitment], which is open to all recruitment issues?" CreationDate="2012-07-25T21:23:42.613" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="982" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="@NickC I'd rather keep them separate, as opposed to having 50% of recruitment questions being about being recruited and 50% about recruiting" CreationDate="2012-07-25T21:25:51.267" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="992" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="@NickC i think 'hiring-process' would fit your situation best." CreationDate="2012-07-27T13:59:58.983" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="994" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="@acolyte that makes sense...making hiring-process *only* for the side that's doing the hiring, then?" CreationDate="2012-07-27T15:37:09.920" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="995" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="@Rarity nonono.  'Recruitment'/'Recruiting' is for the hiring side.  'Hiring-process' would be for the person looking to be hired." CreationDate="2012-07-27T16:22:50.627" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="996" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="@acolyte this misunderstanding right here is exactly why I think we will be harmed, not helped, by any one-sided distinction that is not totally natural or obvious." CreationDate="2012-07-27T16:24:25.443" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="997" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="@NickC I certainly prefer something obvious, but I'm having troubling thinking of anything that doesn't ambiguously refer to both sides of the table" CreationDate="2012-07-27T16:50:59.033" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1011" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="@NickC and rarity, that's what the tag wiki is for.  at some point, honestly, if you want this to be resolved, there's only one way.  make an arbitrary decision either way, and document it in the tag wiki." CreationDate="2012-07-30T12:59:22.673" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="23181" PostId="365" Score="0" Text="I don't think [recruitment] vs. [recruiting] is very clearly disambiguated (if they are separate things), especially since [recruiting] has no tag excerpt/tag wiki. If they are the same, [recruiting] should be made a synonym of [recruitment] (and probably merged into it), once the tag is removed from any questions that the tag doesn't belong on." CreationDate="2022-01-26T17:04:39.007" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="983" PostId="366" Score="1" Text="[tag:boss] and [tag:management] could probably be merged or something" CreationDate="2012-07-25T21:48:55.373" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="989" PostId="366" Score="3" Text="Yay!  Glad I'm not crazy!  Haven't been so much of a very, very early beta user before, so this new to me.  Thanks for volunteering for the edits.  If you want help, let me know." CreationDate="2012-07-26T20:08:13.100" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="999" PostId="367" Score="0" Text="`I'm of the opinion that they should be separate and the resume tag wiki should no longer refer to CVs.` Why?" CreationDate="2012-07-27T23:54:23.680" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1000" PostId="367" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos CVs are generally rarer and more specific; a lot more detailed. We already have a *lot* of resume questions, so I don't think splitting tags would be detrimental to either." CreationDate="2012-07-27T23:55:58.787" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1001" PostId="367" Score="0" Text="So if a question applies to resumes *or* to CVs, should we just tag it with both? (most likely, the question asker will use one or the other, so users familiar with both tags would need to keep their eyes out to add the other tag)." CreationDate="2012-07-27T23:58:40.407" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1002" PostId="367" Score="0" Text="@Rarity `CVs are generally rarer and more specific` Resume only applies to the US, my CV _is_ a resume." CreationDate="2012-07-28T00:01:02.300" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1003" PostId="368" Score="1" Text="[This article](http://jobsearch.about.com/cs/curriculumvitae/f/cvresume.htm) suggests that they are different - a CV is longer and more detailed.  Is our answer wrong?" CreationDate="2012-07-28T02:33:40.477" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1004" PostId="368" Score="0" Text="@NickC Strictly speaking they are different, but their differences are very subtle, and only apply to the US use of the terms, in Europe and probably everywhere else the terms are interchangeable, with CV being the popular term - for example [Europass](http://europass.cedefop.europa.eu/en/home), the semi-official CV for the EU, advertises the document as CV, without any mention of the term resume. As the answer states: &quot;In _most_ contexts, CV ( Curriculum vitae ) and resume are used interchangeably...&quot;." CreationDate="2012-07-28T02:50:33.457" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1005" PostId="368" Score="3" Text="From the standpoint of being proactively lazy, I like going with the popular use on this one.  I&quot;m concerned that the differences are too subtle, and that we'll spend forever retagging posts that aren't tagged right.  If our purpose is to help streamline how people focus on questions, it might be fair to say the people interested in resumes are also interested in CVs." CreationDate="2012-07-28T12:18:00.973" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1009" PostId="368" Score="0" Text="@bethlakshmi sounds reasonable to me" CreationDate="2012-07-29T01:51:30.067" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1010" PostId="370" Score="2" Text="Agree; I'm not sure how any of us missed adding that." CreationDate="2012-07-29T03:20:28.343" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1008" PostId="371" Score="5" Text="Too late now, but you have a window of a couple minutes where you can undo your vote freely. If there's actually something significant to edit in the post you can go ahead and edit it/undo your vote though." CreationDate="2012-07-29T01:33:30.787" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1012" PostId="371" Score="0" Text="There have been threads on other SE where the position was it is acceptable to edit so that you can change your vote... I would not have a problem if it was post and there was a comment explaining that it was done to undo an accidental downvote." CreationDate="2012-07-31T19:17:51.403" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1014" PostId="374" Score="0" Text="I strongly disagree with country tags *by default*. The user really should bring up country/culture where it's important, it really has to be on the asker to do that." CreationDate="2012-08-01T16:25:06.620" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1015" PostId="374" Score="0" Text="maybe not applied default, but i think that some should be included in the available tags for when they're needed.  even if they're there for high-level users to retag into questions when approptiate, it would still help to alleviate confusions and streamline answers." CreationDate="2012-08-01T16:37:27.913" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="1016" PostId="374" Score="0" Text="@Rarity if what i typed implied putting country tags on by default, my apologies.  I did not intend that." CreationDate="2012-08-01T17:19:55.603" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="1068" PostId="374" Score="0" Text="Hi acolyte, this is simply information that belongs in the question body itself. *&quot;My best friend is working in a small firm (approx 20-30 people) **in India**, which has recently...&quot;* &lt;&lt;&lt; This would be a more appropriate way to ask the question, as providing enough detail to be answerable is one of the guidelines in [How to Ask](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/how-to-ask). In short, this isn't a tagging problem. It's a &quot;lack of detail&quot; problem." CreationDate="2012-08-07T08:08:54.140" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1013" PostId="375" Score="1" Text="Deletion is really fairly rare unless a closed question got no answers (or was really, really bad). But it is automatic for unanswered, downvoted closed questions" CreationDate="2012-08-01T16:19:55.657" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1020" PostId="375" Score="0" Text="@JimG. - It would be great if you could find an example, or if a 2k rep user who can see deleted questions could find an example, that would help. I would think the moderators here wouldn't delete questions that they closed unless they were truly unsalvageable, but neither of us has any proof either way." CreationDate="2012-08-02T03:31:04.987" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1021" PostId="375" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 of the first 15 deleted questions in a search (there's 70 total) 12 were deleted by their owners, and 3 were deleted by moderators: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2556/computer-science-minor http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2144/how-to-concentrate-in-tough-times http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1860/exit-interview-what-is-and-isnt-ok all of the mod deleted questions were rejected migrations, so all that was really deleted was the &quot;stub&quot; on our site, the content returned to the migrating site." CreationDate="2012-08-02T04:29:46.913" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1022" PostId="375" Score="2" Text="@JimG - It's also worth pointing out that closing is never wreckless. If anything, posting here is easier. Many forums put your question into a review queue before it's visible. Here, we only do that if it's needed. As Jim (the other Jim) pointed out in his answer, closing is not permanent. It's SE's version of a review queue." CreationDate="2012-08-02T04:59:56.343" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1056" PostId="376" Score="0" Text="i'm confused, is this something that only mods/original poster can see?" CreationDate="2012-08-06T14:00:59.940" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="1058" PostId="376" Score="0" Text="It appears the answer has been deleted, so now only mods and high-rep users (usually 10k, not sure what the threshold is for a beta site) can see the answer. The notice, though, is visible to all." CreationDate="2012-08-06T14:13:31.343" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1059" PostId="376" Score="0" Text="(visible to all when it is attached to a post that is not deleted)" CreationDate="2012-08-06T14:13:49.737" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1060" PostId="376" Score="0" Text="ahh.  Ok then.  thanks." CreationDate="2012-08-06T14:15:25.133" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="1017" PostId="377" Score="4" Text="+1 for using another tool in the toolbox to help encourage great answers." CreationDate="2012-08-02T01:27:35.537" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1023" PostId="378" Score="4" Text="I think NPR's failure was one of the main reasons the subjective guidelines were formed... NPR itself was - partly - an effort to clean SO from bikeshed crap, by moving them out of the way... As for your question, the blog posts apply network wide, they are general Stack Exchange guidelines." CreationDate="2012-08-02T11:41:37.917" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1024" PostId="378" Score="5" Text="This is easily a more ranty duplicate of one of multiple discussions on this Meta: [Is “not constructive” really applicable at workplace.SE?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/219/is-not-constructive-really-applicable-at-workplace-se) [How do we define Constructive on this site?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/261/how-do-we-define-constructive-on-this-site) or your own [What does “Not Constructive” Mean?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/347/what-does-not-constructive-mean)." CreationDate="2012-08-02T11:55:50.087" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1031" PostId="378" Score="4" Text="Let's assume for a minute that they *were* considered. What would you like to talk about that *hasn't already been talked about*?" CreationDate="2012-08-02T14:59:08.727" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1032" PostId="378" Score="1" Text="@NickC: Good question. [I upvoted your comment.] When I look at the Workplace.SE front page, I feel that *most* questions violate the 'Gorilla vs. Shark' test. I resisted the urge to list a handful of these questions because I feel like there are too many too choose from, and I wanted to make sure that my understanding of Workplace.SE's charter is at least in the right ballpark. // Also, if I picked a handful, I fear that people would fixate on those and ignore the bigger picture that I'm interested in protecting." CreationDate="2012-08-02T15:07:41.347" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1033" PostId="378" Score="1" Text="@JimG. [Response below](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/380/17)." CreationDate="2012-08-02T17:19:28.593" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1027" PostId="379" Score="3" Text="Missed http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/124911/individual-community-preferences-vs-se-network-policy-who-wins, which predates even the private beta!" CreationDate="2012-08-02T14:37:02.820" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="1029" PostId="379" Score="0" Text="@Rarity: Thanks for your compilation. I know that the Meta community has discussed what constructive *should* mean for the site, but I'm not convinced that those discussions reflected an understanding of the two blog entries which I referenced, which is exactly why I raised the question." CreationDate="2012-08-02T14:42:13.017" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1030" PostId="379" Score="0" Text="@Shog9: That is an outstanding post, and I particularly like your response. I'm going to have to examine that a bit deeper when I have some more time. Thanks!" CreationDate="2012-08-02T14:44:51.843" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1034" PostId="380" Score="0" Text="+1: Very good answer. If the consensus becomes: 'Most Workplace.SE questions pass the 'Gorilla vs. Shark' test', then I'll be very tempted to mark this as the accepted answer. Thanks for answering." CreationDate="2012-08-02T18:04:31.193" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1035" PostId="380" Score="1" Text="I'd argue that &quot;difficult to learn&quot; isn't true here either; many of the good questions here have focused but applicable answers. Plus the gorilla v. shark question was really about *comparison* questions. I'm not sure I've ever even seen more than a couple &quot;X vs Y&quot; questions on this entire site, so I think calling that the problem is pretty inaccurate. In fact the only X vs Y I've seen are &quot;where should I work&quot; which we uh, just prohibited via the FAQ" CreationDate="2012-08-02T18:17:17.370" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1036" PostId="380" Score="0" Text="And as for experts; experts here are the people who can answer questions. There's no relevant PhDs to attract or Senior Workplace Executives. If we attract people that can answer practical problems and answer them *well*, there, those are our experts." CreationDate="2012-08-02T18:56:13.133" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1037" PostId="381" Score="0" Text="I don't really consider investigating competitors a &quot;typical workplace function&quot;. It's a specific job function, unless you work for the CIA it's not the case that everyone goes to work and is expected to investigate various companies." CreationDate="2012-08-03T13:39:03.673" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1038" PostId="381" Score="0" Text="@Rarity Not every workplace has project related work as a typical workplace function.  With this logic one can argue that questions about working on a project, regardless of role, can be considered off topic as well." CreationDate="2012-08-03T13:59:47.703" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1039" PostId="381" Score="3" Text="Project work is fairly common in lots of industries/specific jobs. It's part of doing work. Investigating competitors is a specific skill, it's getting very close to &quot;how can I market stuff&quot; or &quot;how should I handle payroll&quot; IMO." CreationDate="2012-08-03T14:11:57.360" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1040" PostId="381" Score="0" Text="@Rarity So if I understand correctly, questions about marketing or legitimate concrete questions about the best way to do payroll are offtopic as well?  The line is just too fuzzy." CreationDate="2012-08-03T15:01:25.343" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1041" PostId="381" Score="0" Text="Well, we're not a payroll site. We can't possibly include all job functions. Where do you think the line should be drawn?" CreationDate="2012-08-03T15:03:43.183" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1042" PostId="381" Score="1" Text="@Rarity Way to turn it back on me lol!  To be perfectly honest I have no idea where I would draw the line, which is sort of why I decided to start the conversation again.  I would think if we are having a hard time coming up with an answer then it is probably wise to be strict with these sorts of things.  I guess I see the logic in why it was closed now" CreationDate="2012-08-03T15:12:18.420" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1043" PostId="381" Score="1" Text="Well I don't want to unilaterally set the policy; I'd love to hear some discussion on where the line is; it seems we're agreed specific job functions are off topic, just not whether &quot;kinda common but not universal&quot; job functions are off topic" CreationDate="2012-08-03T15:16:00.643" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1062" PostId="384" Score="0" Text="I won't argue with point one, it is certainly list-oriented.  #2 is a bit hypothetical though, it is indeed not what I'm asking.  #3 makes it sound like Workplace is only open to &quot;career agnostic&quot; questions, which are not specific to any field.  If that's really the case, I suggest that it be amplified in the FAQ; I did not get that impression, though maybe I just missed something." CreationDate="2012-08-06T22:57:47.647" UserDisplayName="user1113" />
  <row Id="1064" PostId="384" Score="0" Text="@JonofAllTrades &quot;Questions should be about problems you are encountering or have encountered in the workplace, and not the learning/applying of specific job functions.&quot; It doesn't have to apply to every job ever, but if only people one/very very few (non-workplace management/interaction related) jobs can answer your question, you'd really need to ask them not us." CreationDate="2012-08-06T23:04:45.487" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1066" PostId="386" Score="1" Text="After a few days of being closed, it's clear the op isn't going to do anything about it. :) You should try your hand at editing it if you see a way to make it comply. Good luck!" CreationDate="2012-08-07T01:17:59.450" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1067" PostId="386" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 i mean, that's just it.  i don't think it's should have been closed at all in its current form.  it seems like most people just jumped to conclusions when they skimmed it, and thus downvoted.  i have no clue how to change it ot make it 'acceptable' when i believe the current form is 100% that." CreationDate="2012-08-07T05:20:07.750" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="1074" PostId="386" Score="0" Text="I just edited the question" CreationDate="2012-08-08T10:56:23.187" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="1073" PostId="388" Score="3" Text="post notices FTW indeed - turned out quite an efficient measure against low-effort answers" CreationDate="2012-08-08T08:32:32.073" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1075" PostId="388" Score="1" Text="Very, very good post.  I will be using your questions section as a reference!" CreationDate="2012-08-08T18:19:21.033" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1076" PostId="388" Score="1" Text="Thanks to our [Top Editors on the site](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users?tab=editors&amp;filter=all) btw. I do agree editing needs to be a huge part of the process." CreationDate="2012-08-08T18:28:41.690" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1122" PostId="388" Score="1" Text="There are also a lot of *very* long answers on this site.  Sadly I'm responsible for at least a few.  An overly long answer can be just as bad as one that's too short.  I think if you can't quickly skim an answer and get at least a rough idea about what solution it's proposing/discussing, then it's too long.  Case in point, it's not uncommon to see answers that have 5 or 6 different sub-sections.  Novels certainly have their place, but I think people come here looking for answers, not light reading material." CreationDate="2012-08-20T06:36:19.027" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="1123" PostId="388" Score="0" Text="@aroth - Agreed, if they go more than a page I can't read them... Good points." CreationDate="2012-08-20T07:05:53.923" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1106" PostId="390" Score="2" Text="It is possible that the vote was placed before the most recent edit.  That would make it eligible to be retracted." CreationDate="2012-08-14T19:11:32.177" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1078" PostId="391" Score="1" Text="Just to clarify, it's been stated [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/372/98) and [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/371/accidental-downvote-what-to-do#comment1008_371), that an edit -- a substantial one -- *can* be used to justify removing a vote, so long as the edit is *substantial* and this isn't done too often. This is of course different than what Rarity refers to, where an edit is actually rolled back afterwards. That's just abuse ;)" CreationDate="2012-08-10T01:34:43.610" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1082" PostId="392" Score="2" Text="I don't *like* these summaries at all, but at the same time I'm not sure what to *do* about them." CreationDate="2012-08-14T02:40:44.360" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1083" PostId="392" Score="2" Text="@Rarity - You know what I just realized, they're comments!  Look at each of the 4 sections. Each one is a response to a different answer, and each one is about the length of a comment. Is there a way to convert those to comments? If each one of those were attached to an answer, the question wouldn't look so intimidating..." CreationDate="2012-08-14T02:44:10.517" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1084" PostId="392" Score="1" Text="Agreed, they really are comments." CreationDate="2012-08-14T02:58:55.140" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1088" PostId="392" Score="1" Text="Great question, as you can see I feel passionately about this one. :)  Now I'm just waiting for the ironic answer-summary in this meta question." CreationDate="2012-08-14T03:53:00.050" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1089" PostId="392" Score="2" Text="@NickC - lol I think you pretty much covered it. :)  I edited the post to remove the fluff and left the op a note in the revision history to add those points as comments if he prefers." CreationDate="2012-08-14T03:56:30.100" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1090" PostId="392" Score="1" Text="Good! I think that the summary format was nice; I hope the asker decides to modify some of the answers.  I am a believer in a little formatting to polish large amounts prose into a great scannable answer." CreationDate="2012-08-14T04:10:32.353" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1091" PostId="392" Score="0" Text="@NickC - I guess I sorta skipped step 1... but myself or someone else could come back to that later. The info is in revision 7. I left a link to it in the question above. What do you think about adding those &quot;comments&quot; directly to the answers themselves?  That seems a bit unorthodox, so I'm not sure that's the best approach... I'm still thinking about what to do in step 1... I mean, the summaries are really just repeating what's already said. So the question is whether or not they add value to the answers? I'd be fine either way, just glad the question isn't cluttered anymore :)" CreationDate="2012-08-14T04:12:04.963" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1092" PostId="392" Score="0" Text="I think what you did is right in this case.  It's going to take somebody some time to figure out what the answers could use, if anything (most likely it's redundant, but polishing answers never offended me), and adding comments would take a bit of rewording anyway." CreationDate="2012-08-14T04:20:44.570" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1095" PostId="392" Score="0" Text="Frankly, they are not comments. They are summaries. Comments are for helping those that ask questions and those that answer questions to refine their questions or answers. However, having to fish through multiple answers to get a full summary of conclusions just makes life more cumbersome for the reader." CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:04:14.033" UserId="1241" />
  <row Id="1096" PostId="392" Score="1" Text="Hi @Thomas! We were just talking about you ;)  Actually, I disagree. When I first saw the mile-long post in your question, I wanted to bail. But after a quick scan I saw that the last part wasn't part of the question and stuck around..... As far as summaries go, that should really be up to the people visiting from Google to decide what's best for them. The summaries.. your summaries, kinda get in the way of that. Instead, you should use your votes and accepts to indicate the best answers, just like other users. Thanks for dropping in! :)" CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:12:37.070" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1099" PostId="392" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - So, without changing the voice of someone's answer, how does one handle verbose answers that can be boiled down to a sentence? E.g., one of the answers had some good points but wrt to a concise answer to the question it was far more verbose than necessary. If PE is a Q&amp;A site, then we need to allow people to answer in their own voice. So, is the only recourse, to hope one day someone will assemble a comprehensive answer?" CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:29:12.717" UserId="1241" />
  <row Id="1101" PostId="392" Score="0" Text="@Thomas - I think that's the trouble with these kinds of questions (ones that border on not contructive). There are so many &quot;correct&quot; answers that it becomes a verbose monstrosity. With that said, in this case, I think [NickC's suggestion to post your own answer is by far the best idea](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/392/what-should-be-done-with-questions-where-askers-edit-in-a-response-to-all-the-an#comment1098_393). It keeps the question limited to what it's supposed to be... a question, while giving you the opportunity to speak as well, in the form of an answer/summary." CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:35:49.553" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1102" PostId="392" Score="0" Text="@Thomas - Also, you never officially accepted an answer, so no one will get upset with you over a measly 15 rep.... Now, when you accept your answer, it will appear at the top, right where you want it, regardless of votes.... Looking forward to seeing how this works out. :)" CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:37:18.430" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1085" PostId="393" Score="0" Text="So, what do you think about those 4 points being added as comments to the answers?  Or should we just forego that and just focus on editing out the fluff?" CreationDate="2012-08-14T03:47:37.630" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1086" PostId="393" Score="1" Text="I'm trying to find a good reference for this, but I've always believed that that was the reason for comments on answers in the first place -- so I'd say just go straight for the edit, if there is something that is worth it.  It makes more sense, too, since you can't spoof authors of comments, and you can't force the asker to do it." CreationDate="2012-08-14T03:50:50.347" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1087" PostId="393" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. If he comes back -- highly unlikely -- he can add them as comments himself." CreationDate="2012-08-14T03:51:52.833" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1093" PostId="393" Score="0" Text="*Correcting* someone's answer is very different than *changing* someone's answer. The later requires guessing what the original answer &quot;meant&quot; to say. IMO, *changing* someone's answer to fit the missing information is fundamentally against the SE sites. The *poster* should add that additional information at the request of comments and if not, then add another answer." CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:00:11.150" UserId="1241" />
  <row Id="1094" PostId="393" Score="0" Text="I also disagree with removing the summary as SE is supposed to for *finding* answers as well as *providing* answers. What happens when there are nuggets from multiple answers but only one (often the first) is voted the &quot;best&quot; answer. To the question I asked, no one answer was actually best. The best answer would be one that included information from all of the ideas not just one of them." CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:02:43.940" UserId="1241" />
  <row Id="1097" PostId="393" Score="2" Text="@Thomas then add that &quot;best&quot; answer as your own! If we're discussing whether answers belong in questions, *they don't*. The next question is what to do with that bit of info, if it is good." CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:22:04.603" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1098" PostId="393" Score="2" Text="@Thomas And actually, it would even be ok, in my opinion, to actually accept your own answer, if it's a summation of all the answers.  Mark it community wiki, format it nicely like you did, and state your purpose and I think everyone would be ok with it (and understand why you did it)." CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:28:55.077" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1100" PostId="393" Score="1" Text="@Thomas - Also, the community should decide what's best, not just a single person, who would be biased in terms of what those most interesting nuggets are. Someone else may disagree with an answer entirely, and that's the core job of the voting system. With that said, I like NickC's suggestion. If there isn't a best answer, add your own, and you could include your summary from [revision 7](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/1609/7) in that answer, highlighting what you thought was best from the others. This way what you add is separate from the question. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:29:58.093" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1103" PostId="393" Score="0" Text="@NickC, jmort253 - IMO, the voting structure, as it stands now, heavily discourages answering your own question such that it is a summary of other answers even if providing a benefit such a clarity and conciseness. Would doing this not imply that the summary question would always be expanded when a new answer was provided? Wouldn't the incentive be to simply expand the summary answer and not add another answer? Why wouldn't people do this on most subjective questions?" CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:41:17.137" UserId="1241" />
  <row Id="1104" PostId="393" Score="1" Text="@Thomas I can't tell if you are serious or just illustrating a possible problem if you take this idea to its ridiculous extreme. The incentive to answering is to provide a better answer than any that exists. In many questions, the asker gets a single best answer. You've said that several taught you something, but none were best. Of course you wouldn't edit this answer unless a new answer was worth it. You would probably also not do this until time had passed and it was clear no answer outshines any other. Or, you could always add a bounty." CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:56:41.953" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1105" PostId="393" Score="0" Text="@NickC, jmort253 - I'll grant you both that a summary isn't part of the question and I'm fine with removing even if it makes it harder for future readers (no will will ever read the revisions). I guess it is a weakness of the current Q&amp;A format that it has no place for summation without potentially altering the voice of the original answer or parroting the work of other answers." CreationDate="2012-08-14T05:58:54.267" UserId="1241" />
  <row Id="1107" PostId="395" Score="7" Text="This has been requested and mostly ignored on Meta Stack Overflow: http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/79391/166936 though I'll note our situation is pretty different from SO. It's not about the rep of the asker but sensitive topics. I have noticed several throw-away users and unregistereds named &quot;anonymous&quot;/&quot;anon&quot; asking questions" CreationDate="2012-08-16T13:06:30.177" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1112" PostId="395" Score="0" Text="To lend some credence to the issue, we currently have 10 users named some variation of &quot;anon&quot; or &quot;anonymous&quot; who have asked questions. That's not counting the users who have created an unregistered account and just never changed the username from user12345 or used a name other than &quot;anonymous&quot;." CreationDate="2012-08-17T21:10:25.403" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2091" PostId="395" Score="10" Text="Simply being able to ask an anonymous question (_without_ reaping any benefits), would be very helpful. To put it in perspective: getting a good answer to a question that I can't ask publicly is far more important to me than any badge or points that I might get!" CreationDate="2013-02-12T19:38:19.513" UserId="7728" />
  <row Id="3153" PostId="395" Score="0" Text="related feature request at MSO: [Allow users to sever connections between accounts](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/197600/165773)" CreationDate="2013-09-20T11:59:44.237" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4213" PostId="395" Score="0" Text="I think users should be able to post things anonymously, but without gaining any benefit from upvotes. The reason in my opinion why users shouldn't just create a new account, is if they have 200+ rep on another site (or on that site), they should be able to have the privileges that come with that rep (such as ability to post pictures, and write comments) which new accounts don't have. I don't think that up or down votes on an anonymous question should have an affect on the rep of the non-anonymous user though." CreationDate="2014-03-21T18:30:19.447" UserId="428" />
  <row Id="4591" PostId="395" Score="0" Text="see also: [Why separate Stack Exchange accounts?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/69422/why-separate-stack-exchange-accounts)" CreationDate="2014-04-18T10:54:33.590" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11115" PostId="395" Score="1" Text="I was hoping the outcome of this question would be different. I want to ask a question specifically regarding how to treat a situation at my workplace but the potential repercussions are too risky." CreationDate="2017-01-05T21:37:25.523" UserId="30018" />
  <row Id="1110" PostId="396" Score="4" Text="I wouldn't want to encourage this workflow, it might be ok to do it once or twice, but moderators are _not_ here to do stuff like that on a regular basis..." CreationDate="2012-08-17T10:41:07.963" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1111" PostId="396" Score="2" Text="@YannisRizos yup, having real **&quot;witness protection program&quot;** would certainly be better than this funny procedure" CreationDate="2012-08-17T10:57:45.540" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1114" PostId="396" Score="1" Text="People should really just be mindful of what they're posting. It's possible to ask genuine questions without calling someone an &quot;idiot&quot;, and by generalizing the problem enough to where it won't get back to anyone specific.  Also... after the merge, don't your questions from the other account get updated with the name of the merged asker anyway?" CreationDate="2012-08-18T01:17:11.087" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1115" PostId="396" Score="4" Text="@jmort253 I think the problem on Workplace is less often that a question targets someone, but more often than a question gives away that someone is looking for a job" CreationDate="2012-08-18T01:18:13.190" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1116" PostId="396" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - I still think it's possible to generalize. Ahem.... I have this friend... she hates her job..." CreationDate="2012-08-18T01:19:32.380" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1117" PostId="396" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 somehow, _this friend_ workaround doesn't feel compelling. I agree that one can go just fine without calling people names but I don't feel like this or have-a-friend trick are sufficient to address the issue. Nor I think that generalizing is such a great &quot;weapon&quot; - quite often, question essence lies in concrete details" CreationDate="2012-08-18T01:23:08.770" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1118" PostId="396" Score="1" Text="I have *this friend* who likes ponies...no, that just doesn't seem believable." CreationDate="2012-08-18T01:28:24.710" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1119" PostId="396" Score="0" Text="Do people *really* need to ask anonymous questions that often? Will they ask enough to where a few reputation points are worth Stack Exchange developers completely gutting or hacking the current system of computing reputation? I admit, there may come a time where I want to post an anonymous question, but I just don't see the lost reputation as a huge problem in comparison to the costs involved." CreationDate="2012-08-18T01:35:29.713" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1108" PostId="397" Score="1" Text="You shouldn't feel bad about bringing up a legitimate question about a post on the site, as long as you bring it up in a constructive manner, which you've done a great job of. +1  You're trying to make the site better, and that's great! ;)" CreationDate="2012-08-17T04:08:15.387" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1135" PostId="397" Score="0" Text="I agree with @jmort253, but just be careful. I wanted to improve this site so much that I got banned (for seven days) because I disagreed with the current crop of moderators." CreationDate="2012-08-25T16:45:33.230" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1109" PostId="398" Score="2" Text="Heh, our first broken window..." CreationDate="2012-08-17T10:39:29.430" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1113" PostId="399" Score="3" Text="I definitely agree rep/badges/etc from the anonymous questions are a problem. I think anonymity would be very useful for this site but it should be separate from the game mechanics entirely." CreationDate="2012-08-17T21:18:58.260" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1120" PostId="399" Score="5" Text="I too agree that there are issues, and would be fine with Rarity's suggestion (assuming it solves problems like notifications and logins when using separate accounts).  However I'd suggest that for most users, they don't want *full, bulletproof, untraceable* anonymity, but just to not have their name appear on the question or the question to appear in their question list on their profile." CreationDate="2012-08-18T05:31:30.693" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1121" PostId="399" Score="1" Text="(In other words, the concern is not about *who posted that?*, but rather, *what did that person post?* since many employers may be aware of their employee's accounts, or find them through Google.)" CreationDate="2012-08-18T05:45:50.983" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1124" PostId="402" Score="0" Text="I was once told at MSO that suggested edit rep, as well as count for editing badges progress is lost when post is deleted. As for the score, if memory serves my downvote (cast prior to edit) made it -6" CreationDate="2012-08-20T13:37:04.130" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1125" PostId="402" Score="0" Text="@gnat guess that's as good a reason as any then; at least with the rejection reason (if you actually see it) is a good warning" CreationDate="2012-08-20T13:37:59.693" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1126" PostId="402" Score="1" Text="@gnat are you referring to [this](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/127455/167443)?" CreationDate="2012-08-20T16:02:55.613" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1127" PostId="402" Score="0" Text="exactly! thanks @Jim" CreationDate="2012-08-20T16:11:15.910" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1130" PostId="402" Score="0" Text="@Rarity I just re-checked - almost 4 days later, post still hangs in there, perfectly visible eg through [career-development tag](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/career-development), #6 in active questions list. As far as I can tell it even somehow got one undownvote. Given that wouldn't it really be better to edit it back then - since it's _fate to deletion_ turned out err not so fateful?" CreationDate="2012-08-24T19:12:51.937" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1131" PostId="402" Score="0" Text="@gnat the auto-deletion script is very conservative; it's a month for downvoted, closed, answerless posts" CreationDate="2012-08-24T19:24:52.650" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1132" PostId="402" Score="0" Text="@Rarity I see. A month for auto-deletion makes me feel quite uncomfortable about that edit rejection. Please note I am not suggesting to edit it now - it seems too late, no need to [bump](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/bump/info) it" CreationDate="2012-08-24T19:29:24.640" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1133" PostId="402" Score="0" Text="@gnat it's still doomed...Just takes a while to disappear. It's not visible on the front page after it gets a net of -4 votes so I wouldn't worry too much about it" CreationDate="2012-08-24T19:39:41.400" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1134" PostId="402" Score="2" Text="@Rarity sure. But if it takes a month it makes much better sense to allow edit than to reject imNSho. The way I see it it's a simple matter of [separation of concerns](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_concerns &quot;what's this?&quot;): edits go their way, deletion goes its way. Presence of [badly mis-spelled post](http://i.stack.imgur.com/4gkDG.png) damages site image for all the time it's visible (month at least) - what is achieved by blocking its cleanup, simply escapes me" CreationDate="2012-08-24T20:43:06.253" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1136" PostId="403" Score="0" Text="Eh, don't need a crystal ball to know that a post scoring less than -4 which is closed, unanswered, and blatantly off topic will be deleted. It would have been automatically deleted, and editing wouldn't have ever saved it." CreationDate="2012-08-27T13:28:13.810" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1137" PostId="403" Score="1" Text="@Rarity - Sure, I don't disagree the post can't be saved, and I even mentioned that in the last paragraph. My point is that the reason the reviewer rejected the edit was purely about rep, and it shouldn't be." CreationDate="2012-08-27T14:38:13.457" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1353" PostId="404" Score="1" Text="I think we should synomize Etiquette to professionalism.  To me questions asking for ettiquette advise here are asking how to act with professionalism as opposed to simply being polite." CreationDate="2012-10-04T15:31:19.560" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1138" PostId="405" Score="0" Text="Since Ethics/ettique are furthered down to *workplace* or *professional* etiquette it seems like the overlap between the three becomes quite large; &quot;professional&quot; is in &quot;competent&quot; is rarely relevant in questions here" CreationDate="2012-08-30T14:42:23.383" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1139" PostId="405" Score="1" Text="I don't think ethics and etiquette are that huge an overlap in the workplace. Etiquette would describe how a person interacts with their peers, employers, employees, and clients (friendly, rude, punctual, etc), whereas ethics would be more relevant to how they perfowm their job or interact *indirectly* with others (do they charge a fair price? provide sufficient quality? cheat their customers? steal?)." CreationDate="2012-08-30T14:50:43.120" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1140" PostId="407" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  How should we handle questions like the first one I linked -- is it rude for them to do X?  Yeah, maybe yes, maybe no, but what does that have to do with *you*?  (I voted to close.)" CreationDate="2012-08-30T21:25:27.833" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1141" PostId="407" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio I'm on the fence there. It's a common situation, and the answer is a good one. I think the information is useful for job-seekers feeling rejected. I'm not sure how to phrase it much better. &quot;Is it common for...?&quot; doesn't seem especially better than &quot;Is it rude&quot;, does it?" CreationDate="2012-08-30T21:52:27.953" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1142" PostId="407" Score="2" Text="a better phrasing would be &quot;should I infer anything if a potential job doesn't call me back&quot;; that's a practical question with a real answer and the accepted answer basically answers that question anyway." CreationDate="2012-08-31T14:21:37.297" UserId="553" />
  <row Id="1147" PostId="408" Score="1" Text="I'd like to nominate these examples for inclusion in the FAQ.  Well-done." CreationDate="2012-09-02T01:55:12.987" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1143" PostId="409" Score="3" Text="No. I have no issue with the question in question, but please don't confuse popularity with usefulness, lots of views say absolutely nothing at all about the usefulness, overall quality and topicality of the question. Just a few hours ago I wrote this [short novel](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/3963/25936) that (partly) discusses popularity, I think you'll find it interesting. If it's too long for you, the short version is: Getting views on mostly pointless questions is quite easy, popularity is a worthless metric, let's discuss the actual merits of the question instead." CreationDate="2012-08-31T15:24:20.693" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1144" PostId="409" Score="0" Text="I simply thought that the question you referenced was a perfectly valid one, and one that absolutely belonged here.  it's incredible popularity shows that the issue it discusses is one that quite a few people all over the web are trying to find an answer for it." CreationDate="2012-08-31T20:12:03.727" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="1145" PostId="409" Score="1" Text="It's incredible popularity shows that it was shared on Reddit and Hacker News, and that's about it ;) We have _better_ questions that never got the attention that one got. I'm not saying it's not a good or valid question, but it could have gone unnoticed if not shared all over the internet." CreationDate="2012-08-31T20:15:36.017" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1146" PostId="409" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos ahh, i did not know it had been shared on reddit.  I thought the traffic was mostly just from searches.  my mistake." CreationDate="2012-09-01T06:41:55.790" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="1148" PostId="410" Score="8" Text="I think that if the question is cleaned up and _changed_ to a &quot;How should I decide?&quot; instead of a &quot;What should I decide&quot;/&quot;Decide for me&quot;/&quot;How will this reflect on me&quot;, it is salvageable." CreationDate="2012-09-03T12:42:34.490" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="4595" PostId="410" Score="1" Text="This question is getting linked a lot on main, so I've edited it to be a little more suitable for that purpose.  When a new user's first encounter with the post (or our meta at all) is the original title of this question, it doesn't always leave a good impression. It made sense at the time, back in 2012, when probably nobody thought it'd be widely referenced." CreationDate="2014-04-18T22:28:42.410" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5761" PostId="410" Score="0" Text="related: [Good Subjective/Bad Subjective and Agony Aunt Questions](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2644/good-subjective-bad-subjective-and-agony-aunt-questions) and [Custom Close Reasons for The Workplace](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2655/custom-close-reasons-for-the-workplace)" CreationDate="2014-05-22T12:01:31.280" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1150" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="I agree these should be closed.  We are not an advice column.  If people enjoy answering such off-topic questions, though, perhaps that's a use for our blog." CreationDate="2012-09-04T14:23:46.310" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1155" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="It may be worth adding something in the FAQ here with examples of the questions which ARE quite localized, because I have a feeling these sorts of questions are going to be asked on here a LOT." CreationDate="2012-09-06T18:14:47.960" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1156" PostId="411" Score="0" Text="@enderland I'm trying to keep the FAQ from growing too huge, but something clarifying what a general &quot;advice&quot; request is (and why it's not acceptable here) might be worth it. I've closed a fair number of these" CreationDate="2012-09-06T19:08:28.487" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1152" PostId="414" Score="0" Text="&quot;Two days after close&quot; seems like forever in internet time.  I'm not disagreeing with that limit, just trying to work with it.  Is there a way to query just the closed questions to see if any should be deleted?  (I see your link for posts that already have one delete vote; I'm talking about all of them.)" CreationDate="2012-09-04T20:57:29.800" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1153" PostId="414" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio [the closed:1 search operator can find them](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?tab=newest&amp;q=closed%3a1). I already picked through the lowest scoring ones with no answers/bad answers and burned them recently though." CreationDate="2012-09-04T20:59:22.290" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1179" PostId="414" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio forgot about this one too: [excellent way to find potential deletion candidates by site](http://stackapps.com/questions/3362/tiara-a-tool-for-enhancing-se-beauty) open [this app](http://agent86ix.github.com/stackapps/maint/), pick The Workplace from the menu and you'll see a list of closed questions/downvoted answers, most downvoted first" CreationDate="2012-09-10T14:13:38.493" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1154" PostId="416" Score="0" Text="I certainly would like to find a way for these to be acceptable, but you are right, as they are they are fairly open-ended.  That puts them in pretty much the same territory as &quot;word requests&quot; on English.SE.  As far as I know those are disputed there, too." CreationDate="2012-09-06T17:23:53.430" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1182" PostId="416" Score="0" Text="did we ever come to a consensus about this?  new (related) question: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3951/title-of-person-reporting-to-ceo-responsible-for-strategy-and-projects" CreationDate="2012-09-13T13:18:08.243" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="1183" PostId="416" Score="0" Text="@acolyte not as much as I was hoping for, it seems Chad's answer is the majority opinion thus far though." CreationDate="2012-09-13T13:20:03.700" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1157" PostId="418" Score="0" Text="Agreed; this is the sort of thing that's usually not impossible to answer, but it's mostly opinion and/or very specific. I certainly wouldn't mind it in chat (unless we get swarmed or something, which at the moment doesn't look all that likely)" CreationDate="2012-09-06T19:10:15.943" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1158" PostId="418" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - If we get swamped in chat spawn a few more rooms.  Can we request a migrate to chat feature?" CreationDate="2012-09-06T19:44:08.747" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1159" PostId="418" Score="0" Text="For questions? It'd be sorta weird, most questions don't fit in a chat message. It'd be easier to just direct people to chat when closing for stuff like this, if they have the rep for chat. And true, we could always make it it's own room" CreationDate="2012-09-06T19:53:36.097" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1160" PostId="418" Score="0" Text="Thats to bad i think if mods could actually move the convo to chat it would get used more." CreationDate="2012-09-06T20:01:38.587" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1161" PostId="418" Score="0" Text="Been lots of migrate to chat suggestions on MSO http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/57079/migrate-to-chat-option at the moment all we have is the automatic comment thread -&gt; chat feature when there's lots of back and forth on one post" CreationDate="2012-09-06T20:13:29.540" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1162" PostId="420" Score="5" Text="Related are [How should we handle cultural issues?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/8/how-should-we-handle-cultural-issues?rq=1) and [Should we have country specific tags?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/25/should-we-have-country-specific-tags?rq=1). We haven't really *done* much about anything though." CreationDate="2012-09-07T15:05:39.733" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1164" PostId="421" Score="0" Text="What do you mean by &quot;*Edit it down to a **paragraph of two***&quot;? It sounds to me like a reference to something native English speakers learn in school. Could you elaborate? Also, how can I know what not to include - I don't know how good people are at understanding the question if I remove almost all of it: I just see it as an insight into my thought pattern. And could you please point out to me what examples of &quot;raw material&quot; I have to work with, so I can pick those out? Also, I need to keep in mind that the answer should still answer the question, since it's upvoted." CreationDate="2012-09-08T10:02:22.917" UserId="2596" />
  <row Id="1165" PostId="423" Score="0" Text="Ok, but ... Say I'm a casual browser who's never heard of this site or StackExchange. I'm worried about my office romance breaking down and I'm Googling for advice. I see the page I referenced and click on it. I'm probably going to read the top-voted and/or the accepted answer. Is that useful to me? If there were locale tags, would I notice them? Would it help if I did (I saw one question recently with a united-kingdom tag and lots of USA-centric comments)?" CreationDate="2012-09-08T11:26:56.943" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1166" PostId="423" Score="0" Text="@pdr You are very correct, people are lazy. But googling works in a different way. If you google for &quot;office romance India&quot;, and the search engine finds a certain Q@WP.SE, it will also show up what exactly it found. When you're on the page, simply  *Ctrl+F* and type an exact phrase. It will scroll to a specific answer, **even if** it may have been downvoted into oblivion. Make sense?" CreationDate="2012-09-08T11:34:11.923" UserId="2145" />
  <row Id="1167" PostId="423" Score="0" Text="Yes, makes total sense. To me. But I'm a software developer, I find information on the internet for a living. Unfortunately, most of the answering members of Workplace.SE are also developers. What I'm talking about is drawing new people in from other industries to open up the gene-pool, as it were." CreationDate="2012-09-08T12:21:15.773" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1168" PostId="423" Score="0" Text="@pdr I think, there are three steps: (1) build a quality, low-noise, highly-searchable and highly-linkable content (in fact, it's called SEO); (2) attract the newcomers to stay here (become members); and (3) train them to use it properly, e.g. search prior to asking, etc. I have no answers on (2) and (3), but a reasonable variety of localized A's would help (1), I believe." CreationDate="2012-09-08T13:05:11.643" UserId="2145" />
  <row Id="1169" PostId="423" Score="1" Text="I think you're right about the three steps. I'm beginning to wonder if a good solution to all of them is to prefix ANSWERS (mostly posted by people who understand the site) with a location and remove the localised tags for questions. This way you'll get better SEO on the question and hits on any locations that have been answered. It might also encourage people from other locations to sign up and add a different perspective. What it would certainly do is avoid situations with completely conflicting correct answers." CreationDate="2012-09-08T14:55:40.070" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1170" PostId="423" Score="0" Text="@pdr tagging's pretty easy for people on any industry. Just ask people with comments what nation/region when it matters" CreationDate="2012-09-08T15:06:11.043" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1171" PostId="423" Score="0" Text="@Rarity: First, how do you know where it matters? It would never have occurred to me that there are regions where you can easily get fired for an office romance, for example. Second, localising the question rather than the answer will hurt your SEO. Instead of having one good question with 10 good answers, you'll have 10 good questions with 1 good answer, linked to by different subsets of people. Is that not a concern?" CreationDate="2012-09-08T15:09:59.043" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1172" PostId="423" Score="0" Text="@pdr well if the asker doesn't, someone else probably does, and should comment. Just like we improve every other problem with questions. And no I don't think the latter is a problem, I think the former is, see my answer." CreationDate="2012-09-08T15:13:15.360" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1163" PostId="424" Score="2" Text="**Good point; it seems to me that the above algorithm is** a total nonsense! :)" CreationDate="2012-09-08T08:43:42.670" UserId="2145" />
  <row Id="1173" PostId="425" Score="4" Text="Don't try to compare this site to SO. Ever. That would be a serious error, if we ever want this site to take off (and I do). SO had an entire community of programmers rallying around it before it was even written. And even then, Programmers had to be created to handle those more language-agnostic questions." CreationDate="2012-09-08T15:15:50.817" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1174" PostId="425" Score="3" Text="@pdr it's an extremely valid comparison in this case, and SO has gone over the &quot;tags for answers&quot; thing and decided it's a bad idea. And language agnostic is different from &quot;give me a solution in every possible language&quot; hence my point. There may be one language agnostic answer but 500 language gnostic answers." CreationDate="2012-09-08T15:17:15.200" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1176" PostId="425" Score="0" Text="I disagree that it's a good comparison. Find me a half-dozen questions on SO where it's unclear what language the author is using and where directly contradictory answers can both be equally correct, depending which language you're coding in." CreationDate="2012-09-08T15:25:57.173" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1177" PostId="425" Score="0" Text="You're committing a genetic fallacy and generally ignoring the other 7 (now 8) bullet points so I'm just going to ignore that. This proposed solution is completely unworkable and forces localized questions to be Not a Real Question. If you ask a question where we have to guess which answer is actually relevant to you, I'll close it. This is just like asking &quot;why was I fired&quot; and instead of the asker stating what you did before getting fired, we all get to list every possible reason and what to do in an answer. Just no." CreationDate="2012-09-08T15:47:47.077" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1178" PostId="425" Score="0" Text="You really want me to argue point-by-point? I could, although I agree with a couple of them, but I thought it more valuable to question your dismissal by comparison. But look, you've clearly made your decision. I'm only trying to help solve a problem you don't think exists. That's fine, I'll leave you to it." CreationDate="2012-09-08T16:00:16.410" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1180" PostId="425" Score="0" Text="I think you're proposing a social solution to a technical problem.&#xA;It is obviously beneficial to have a question with answers that address all or most localities.&#xA;This answer says we shouldn't do it because, in short, it would be a pain to deal with. That may be the case, but that doesn't mean it's not a problem worth solving." CreationDate="2012-09-10T15:04:20.110" UserId="375" />
  <row Id="1181" PostId="427" Score="2" Text="Great idea to crowdsource adding the FAQ tag to meta posts! :) +1" CreationDate="2012-09-13T01:51:40.180" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1184" PostId="428" Score="0" Text="Probably many of our [meta-tag:on-topic-definition] questions you  mean?" CreationDate="2012-09-13T15:38:00.823" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1185" PostId="428" Score="0" Text="yes - that's exactly the subset I was thinking of!" CreationDate="2012-09-13T15:52:00.627" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1192" PostId="429" Score="1" Text="I would consider new tag called like salary-negotiation and filling respective [tag wiki as recommended at MSO](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/tag-wiki/info)" CreationDate="2012-09-13T19:53:59.353" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1193" PostId="429" Score="0" Text="@Jim In fact, this very post can be a good start, if properly tagged and maintained to include the most outstanding Q&amp;A." CreationDate="2012-09-15T01:19:22.627" UserId="2145" />
  <row Id="1194" PostId="429" Score="3" Text="Hi @Jim, The problem with community wiki is that it encourages list/polls, which aren't really that useful. It's best to have a series of more targeted questions with targeted answers that someone from Google won't have to sort through just to find something helpful for them. See [The Future of Community Wiki](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/08/the-future-of-community-wiki/) for more details. Also, closing as duplicates is another great solution." CreationDate="2012-09-15T02:04:36.370" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1186" PostId="430" Score="0" Text="I don't know where to begin. Really informative answer. Thank you so much for this. I didn't realize it when I posted it, but now it's easy to see it's a near-impossible subject to ask a generally applicable question for. I'll definitely be using this answer as a reference when I'm stuck on how I should be asking my question, across more stack-exchange sites even." CreationDate="2012-09-13T17:03:19.600" UserId="2596" />
  <row Id="1187" PostId="430" Score="0" Text="About my specific situation, I think I was just frustrated for a day and had to get some stuff off my chest. I don't personally need to get answers on it anymore. Do you think I should just delete the question then (as you said yourself, I too doubt that many people will find value in my specific question)?" CreationDate="2012-09-13T17:05:49.190" UserId="2596" />
  <row Id="1189" PostId="430" Score="0" Text="You could.  I agree that it's gone off track so might as well clean up..." CreationDate="2012-09-13T19:02:43.867" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1210" PostId="432" Score="2" Text="After editing the post, I voted to reopen. See my [meta explanation here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/436/98) and the edits on the question: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3971/learning-the-business" CreationDate="2012-09-15T19:39:09.673" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1212" PostId="432" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 as I note [in this comment](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/432/why-did-we-close-learning-the-business-question#comment1211_436) I think reopening is a bit premature" CreationDate="2012-09-15T20:09:22.513" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1213" PostId="432" Score="1" Text="@Rarity If five community members agree the question should be re-opened, there's nothing premature about it." CreationDate="2012-09-15T20:25:32.327" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1214" PostId="432" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos it doesn't mean the question can't be improved. I'd just like it to be improved *before* it's reopened since I *can't* cast a close vote after it's reopened without immediately closing it. I'm not going to reverse a community reopen that easily so I really want all issues addressed *before* it's reopened." CreationDate="2012-09-15T20:27:44.167" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1224" PostId="432" Score="1" Text="To explain my behaviour to you: I answered the question as I like explaining things - I thought I could do so with the question. At the same time, the question was most definitely not constructive as it stood, so I voted to close. The question has since been updated and is now a better match, so I voted to open. Voting and answering are do not have to related to each other." CreationDate="2012-09-16T09:39:38.313" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="1227" PostId="432" Score="1" Text="@Oded To explain one of the reasons voting and answering are related. You answered the question and earned an upvote. Then you voted to close. After others voted to close, the question was closed. Nobody else can answer the question, so no one can earn any upvote. This is not fair. I think the best action you could take when you answered the question was to edit it to make it better and more answerable, then answer it. You're a high rep user, I raised the bar on you. Others may not understand this much, you should." CreationDate="2012-09-17T07:40:57.463" UserId="1193" />
  <row Id="1228" PostId="432" Score="0" Text="People have different interaction and use modes of the site. I tend to answer, vote and make simple edits. I was not able to figure out an edit to the question that would make it suitable - it is not my forte and I don't try. You can't just make assumptions and try to force other users to your mode of usage." CreationDate="2012-09-17T07:44:48.487" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="1230" PostId="432" Score="0" Text="@Oded I said &quot;I think the best ...&quot;. I did not force you to do anything. I do expect a high rep user would help the site to make it better, though." CreationDate="2012-09-17T08:54:31.320" UserId="1193" />
  <row Id="1231" PostId="432" Score="2" Text="I believe I do make it better. Not to your standards, but to mine." CreationDate="2012-09-17T08:54:59.620" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="16199" PostId="432" Score="0" Text="It's reopened, so ironically we can close this question :D ...FWIW I think that question is decent so thanks to all for reopening." CreationDate="2018-08-20T09:05:59.080" UserId="90305" />
  <row Id="1211" PostId="436" Score="0" Text="TBH I don't think it's much better. Companies are *vastly* different in terms of the training they offer. Telling people what to expect (beyond &quot;it varies&quot;) will only cause a lot of people to be confused or disappointed when the reality doesn't match up with the top voted answer. &quot;How much time should veteran employees invest...&quot; is similarly Not Constructive; it's just asking for opinions, not solving a problem. Opinions will vary *widely* and will generally be irrelevant to real world situations." CreationDate="2012-09-15T20:04:56.840" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1215" PostId="436" Score="1" Text="Sure, it's debatable whether or not it's truly constructive at this point, but I think that if it's going to be reopened, which it looks like it is, we can at least make it look a little more constructive with edits so it looks like something that fits on the site. I'm not sure I would have voted to close in it's current format, so my reopen vote is there to counter my original close vote. I think it's good to encourage people to find ways to constructively improve posts, if possible. ;)" CreationDate="2012-09-15T20:37:12.880" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1216" PostId="436" Score="1" Text="I've added another edit to reduce it to one question at least; removing the part about how much veteran employees should pitch in. My problem is those 5 users can't recast their close votes, so it's unlikely it can be reclosed at this point with as few 2k users as we have; it should be improved as much as possible *before* reopening." CreationDate="2012-09-15T20:43:58.770" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1217" PostId="436" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - I know it's a tough spot to be in, but if it looks like the question is getting crappy answers, you could always close it as a mod. I definitely support closing it if it looks like the fixes didn't work. At that point, we can at least say we tried. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2012-09-15T20:49:17.583" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1218" PostId="436" Score="2" Text="Also, you mentioned 2K users. I think that's a little misleading as it takes just 500 reputation to vote to close/reopen. Not everyone with 500 reputation may be aware of that, and I count 100 users with this privilege, not counting you, Nick, and jcmeloni, of course. Perhaps we can encourage more 500+ users to use this privilege and be sure to remind *them* as well, not just the 2K users." CreationDate="2012-09-15T20:55:42.967" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1220" PostId="436" Score="0" Text="Oops! Aarthi got mixed in with my count! We can't count her as a 500+ rep user, so it's actually 99 regular close/reopen voters." CreationDate="2012-09-15T21:07:42.773" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1223" PostId="436" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: You've just gained my utmost respect. Awesome answer." CreationDate="2012-09-15T23:36:37.320" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1221" PostId="437" Score="2" Text="This one? http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/140/a-guide-to-moderating-workplace-stackexchange-com-yourself-close-voting" CreationDate="2012-09-15T23:07:35.137" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1222" PostId="437" Score="0" Text="Yes @Rarity. That's the one! :)" CreationDate="2012-09-15T23:32:34.923" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1225" PostId="438" Score="1" Text="See also: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/367/do-cvs-need-their-own-tag" CreationDate="2012-09-16T16:57:58.893" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1226" PostId="438" Score="1" Text="Kate, I've closed this question as a duplicate of the other; but I don't know if we'd consider the issue closed, so if you'd like, add your voice to the other question.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2012-09-16T21:07:49.807" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1234" PostId="441" Score="4" Text="Aw, 2k only. Guess I need to go throw a couple &quot;Yes, you should quits&quot; so I can see what you're talking about" CreationDate="2012-09-17T16:25:33.593" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1235" PostId="441" Score="0" Text="@Jim surely you've seen other questions of this trope though, right?  I'm sure I've seen more than I could easily find" CreationDate="2012-09-17T16:32:36.327" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1236" PostId="441" Score="0" Text="Indeed I have. However, the search results you linked aren't a good representation of such questions - a lot of them are decent to good questions that happen to use the word quit." CreationDate="2012-09-17T16:34:11.900" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1237" PostId="441" Score="0" Text="@Jim added some more" CreationDate="2012-09-17T16:48:18.743" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1238" PostId="441" Score="1" Text="I can imagine typical [Atwood's transform](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/124930/165773 &quot;what's this?&quot;) for not-constructive should-I-quit looking like &quot;what factors to consider when deciding on resignation in cases like this&quot;. As for questions that are too-localized, I can not imagine general salvaging strategy; maybe these just have to be dealt with on case-by-case basis" CreationDate="2012-09-17T17:33:01.450" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1239" PostId="441" Score="0" Text="@gnat honestly not sure a &quot;factors to consider&quot; can be answerable since it's highly localized; maybe they really want to quit because their boss is annoying, their coworkers are lazy, the commute's too long...as I mention it's rarely one factor that does it, and it's hard to guess at what's important. I prefer to focus the question on what to do to handle situation X. If situation X really so *crazy bad* quitting is a legitimate answer, so be it." CreationDate="2012-09-17T18:34:55.017" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1244" PostId="441" Score="0" Text="@Rarity agree. For questions like this being too localized is likely a major issue" CreationDate="2012-09-18T07:08:01.250" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1256" PostId="441" Score="0" Text="&quot;Is it ethical to quit in a situation with X and Y?&quot; seems like a more generally useful question than &quot;Should I quit?&quot; It's more specific because it narrows it down to just ethics, but at the same time, it's more broadly relevant, because ethical principles can be applied to a lot of different situations." CreationDate="2012-09-20T17:12:13.993" UserId="3097" />
  <row Id="1240" PostId="442" Score="2" Text="I meant to add something about the Yes/No aspect too. If a question is yes/no the actual question needs to be about the *why*" CreationDate="2012-09-17T20:05:15.947" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1241" PostId="442" Score="0" Text="*Any question that can be answered with a Yes or No is a bad question for ALL SE's.* - Agreed. But what about questions that yield 'Yes, because...' and 'No, because...' answers? Sometimes, those are the best. // In short, I agree with @Rarity 's last comment." CreationDate="2012-09-17T20:34:05.633" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1242" PostId="442" Score="0" Text="@JimG. - I disagree that those questions are best.  I agree that many of them get highly voted and get the community involved in  discussion..." CreationDate="2012-09-17T20:41:49.753" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1243" PostId="442" Score="0" Text="@Chad: Let me clarify. I agree with you that many *are*, in fact, poor questions, in spite of the fact that they are highly voted. OTOH, there are some that yield very constructive conversations because some answers include a very prescriptive course of action." CreationDate="2012-09-17T20:45:44.817" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1245" PostId="442" Score="2" Text="@JimG - But SE is not supposed to yield conversations at all.  It is a QA site.  The problem with the questions is that they yield conversations. Yes bad questions can have great answers... but they also get lots of not great answers.  If you get a signal/noise ratio too low then people start tuning out." CreationDate="2012-09-18T14:20:21.800" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1246" PostId="442" Score="0" Text="*If you get a signal/noise ratio too low then people start tuning out.* - Correct. // *But SE is not supposed to yield conversations at all. It is a QA site.* - Very true." CreationDate="2012-09-18T14:41:01.017" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1247" PostId="444" Score="0" Text="We can make a blog. UX is trying to get one started, starting with this post: http://meta.ux.stackexchange.com/questions/915/do-we-want-a-community-blog" CreationDate="2012-09-18T15:47:02.410" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1248" PostId="444" Score="0" Text="I think it might be useful - but certainly we need more than one sample topic." CreationDate="2012-09-18T15:57:49.697" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1249" PostId="444" Score="0" Text="Make a post about it; after gauging interest, we on UX [defined our scope and post ideas](http://meta.ux.stackexchange.com/questions/925/what-will-our-blog-be-about)" CreationDate="2012-09-18T15:59:00.507" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1251" PostId="444" Score="0" Text="FYI: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/448/http-meta-ux-stackexchange-com-questions-915-do-we-want-a-community-blog" CreationDate="2012-09-20T16:25:47.960" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1266" PostId="444" Score="1" Text="I agree that is the best way to ask those questions.  However, I am skeptical that the people asking the &quot;Should I Quit&quot; questions actually want an answer.  They want others to tell them how horrible their work is to validate their feelings.  That is not what we should be here for.  I prefer shutting these questions down for that reason.  If the OP wants an answer they will edit the question themselves" CreationDate="2012-09-25T13:01:28.183" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1308" PostId="444" Score="0" Text="I'm good with that." CreationDate="2012-10-01T13:25:12.010" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1252" PostId="448" Score="1" Text="Do we know how many non-graduated sites have blogs?" CreationDate="2012-09-20T16:40:50.777" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1253" PostId="448" Score="1" Text="@jcmeloni looks like 3, not sure how many of the existing blogs started in Beta though" CreationDate="2012-09-20T16:45:32.943" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1254" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="Multiple caretakers is fairly simple; all you really need is admin access, a degree of responsibility to SE employees who work with blogs (Grace Note) and trello admin access if/when we make a trello board for it" CreationDate="2012-09-20T16:46:45.360" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1255" PostId="449" Score="2" Text="And two volunteers of course. ;)" CreationDate="2012-09-20T17:02:19.660" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1257" PostId="449" Score="2" Text="For reference on UX we've gone with zero rep requirement; if you can write and you know what you're talking about you have a shot" CreationDate="2012-09-20T20:58:09.780" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1258" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="Agreed. I'd suggest eliminating the rep requirement. Will there be an editorial process to make sure no bad posts slip through the cracks?" CreationDate="2012-09-21T01:01:26.597" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1259" PostId="449" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 Admins have to okay posts I think...it all goes through Trello first anyway. You can peek at UX.SE's blog to see how we've been doing it (lacking particularly formal processes) https://trello.com/board/ux-se-blog/4fc126cae25266c30814fc24" CreationDate="2012-09-21T04:37:56.407" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1260" PostId="449" Score="1" Text="Yeah - if there's an editorial/approval process, I'm OK with being totally open ended." CreationDate="2012-09-21T13:48:59.900" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1702" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="Hi Beth, wanted to bring [my post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/572/98) and [Yannis's post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/573/98) to your attention. What do you think?" CreationDate="2012-12-18T04:17:50.143" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1710" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="Hey @Rarity, do blog overlords mean the same thing as admins?" CreationDate="2012-12-19T02:38:21.463" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1713" PostId="449" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 more accurately they should be people who organize stuff; find out who's willing to contribute, inquire about schedules, vet new ideas. But they should probably have admin access on Trello and Wordpress to further that end" CreationDate="2012-12-19T14:25:43.170" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1853" PostId="449" Score="0" Text="I love writing blogs and technical stuff. I would love to write content or even some matter for the articles. I'll be waiting for hearing, if we'll be supposed to work in a team or we've to work individually when writing blogs." CreationDate="2013-01-14T13:42:38.290" UserId="2598" />
  <row Id="1267" PostId="451" Score="0" Text="This is actually an IT Software question not an HR question.  That should be off topic." CreationDate="2012-09-25T13:08:52.650" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1261" PostId="452" Score="1" Text="Yeah, the listiness kills it for me too, I was just wondering more generally where HR fits in here." CreationDate="2012-09-21T16:54:50.047" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1262" PostId="452" Score="1" Text="Wow, very helpful.  I just breezed over here to see why that question was closed, cause I didn't quite agree, but this is a perfect explanation, and I totally agree." CreationDate="2012-09-21T19:50:47.970" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1263" PostId="452" Score="1" Text="+1 Jim. Great explanation. I didn't see the non-constructiveness until now. I wonder if it could be edited somehow though to make it more constructive, since it does have some raw material to work with." CreationDate="2012-09-22T07:22:33.600" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1264" PostId="453" Score="0" Text="Also, are the questions that are tagged [tag:ethics], that aren't closed, really *ethics* questions?" CreationDate="2012-09-24T01:21:47.333" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1307" PostId="453" Score="1" Text="@NickC good point...pretty much all of the open ones are about practical problems, the &quot;ethics&quot; bit (as I note) is mostly &quot;will this come back to bite me?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-10-01T13:05:03.600" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1355" PostId="453" Score="0" Text="Err a lot of &quot;ethics&quot; problems do have a real answer - its just that a lot of SO type contributors are uncomfortable debating and dealing with the issues." CreationDate="2012-10-05T13:52:27.643" UserId="1698" />
  <row Id="1356" PostId="453" Score="0" Text="@Neuro care to elaborate on that? Debate isn't an answer. If there are answers that are rooted in some form of expertise or valuable experience not just &quot;X is wrong and bad&quot; that's fine. When you say &quot;real answer&quot; I'm not sure which you're referring to. Not constructive is not the same as &quot;uncomfortable with the issue&quot;" CreationDate="2012-10-05T14:37:33.943" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1265" PostId="454" Score="0" Text="And yet your answer there starts with &quot;there's a very good chance ...&quot; and that's the problem with ethical questions." CreationDate="2012-09-25T10:11:52.373" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1268" PostId="454" Score="3" Text="Which is why, @pdr, that we can't just mindlessly blanket-close ethics questions. There may be more to them. The same could be true about *any* question that crosses over into the grey areas. Each must be evaluated on their own merits. If the question truly is NC, then we close as NC. Otherwise, we edit it into shape and move on." CreationDate="2012-09-25T14:55:52.443" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3350" PostId="454" Score="1" Text="And if the OP fails to point out those other dimensions, it benefits everyone else if there are answers that do address them." CreationDate="2013-11-14T19:53:50.057" UserDisplayName="user8365" />
  <row Id="1269" PostId="455" Score="4" Text="The wrong answers on *any* Workplace SE questions can have serious consequences for the reader, not just the ethics questions. Therefore, I'm still not convinced these questions need to all be blanket closed. They should each be evaluated on their own merits. See Chad's answer. I think he makes a great point about how to tell the difference between NC and not on these. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2012-09-25T14:58:26.997" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1270" PostId="455" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: I would agree that there are other questions that applies to. My point is that ethics are always too localised for us to be able to answer safely." CreationDate="2012-09-25T15:01:35.683" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1271" PostId="455" Score="1" Text="Maybe what would help is if you could define where you think the boundary might be? I think Chad got us off on a good start, and seeing the boundary might help make your point a little more clear to the naysayers. Not saying I disagree, just that we don't want to get people digging into questions saying, &quot;oh, there's a small point about ethics in this really great strategical question, *ETHIIICS!* Vote To Close!&quot;" CreationDate="2012-09-25T15:09:13.083" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1272" PostId="455" Score="0" Text="I'm struggling to think of a question of the &quot;Should I ...?&quot;, &quot;Can I ...?&quot;, &quot;Is it ok/ethical to ...?&quot; ilk that I would consider on-topic. There may be something, but I can't think of it right now. But anything saying &quot;When should I ...?&quot;, &quot;How should I ...?&quot;, etc. is fine." CreationDate="2012-09-25T15:18:49.343" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1273" PostId="455" Score="0" Text="I think those are some great keywords to focus on. We can also edit those out of some borderline questions and avoid closure altogether in some cases." CreationDate="2012-09-26T01:58:46.297" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1386" PostId="455" Score="0" Text="*&quot;I feel a bit rough, I'm going to work from home today&quot; is considered unethical.* I suspect it is considered unprofessional rather than unethical.  Ethics is not about a localised problem it is the overall morality of the issue.   The problems you are talking about are culture and professionalism issues." CreationDate="2012-10-11T18:12:16.177" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1404" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="Just curious, I agree with what you say mostly, but what about someone asking about implementing a policy?" CreationDate="2012-10-17T16:29:11.423" UserId="2623" />
  <row Id="1405" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="@MattRidge - Can you provide an example?" CreationDate="2012-10-17T16:37:42.987" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1407" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="I'm not saying one exists so far, but we may want to use a **Create-Policy-Ethics** tag, instead of just an **Ethics** tag." CreationDate="2012-10-17T17:38:59.480" UserId="2623" />
  <row Id="1410" PostId="456" Score="0" Text="@MattRidge - I am thinking that should be off topic so no need but can ask the question" CreationDate="2012-10-17T19:10:38.053" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1283" PostId="460" Score="3" Text="No no no, clearly a duplicate of http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/321/the-workplace-self-evaluation-lets-get-critical :P" CreationDate="2012-09-28T21:50:47.477" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1284" PostId="460" Score="0" Text="@Rarity Oh you. :P" CreationDate="2012-09-28T21:51:32.587" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="1288" PostId="460" Score="2" Text="@AnnaLear Sheesh. All this self-evaluation! It's like SE has standards or something." CreationDate="2012-09-28T22:05:23.157" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1368" PostId="460" Score="1" Text="Heh, it appears I just serially downvoted you (I downvoted a lot of the answers here), hopefully the script is smart enough to not reverse my votes. Will check back in 24h, and if it does, I'll rant about it on MSO ;)" CreationDate="2012-10-09T04:56:07.900" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1302" PostId="461" Score="0" Text="A good question, but some really good answers." CreationDate="2012-10-01T12:07:14.813" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="1309" PostId="461" Score="0" Text="Also refreshing as it's about networking, but nice and specific and a question I think a lot of people have." CreationDate="2012-10-01T13:50:19.493" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1317" PostId="461" Score="0" Text="In this case, I believe what led to the great answers is the community dedication to the &quot;back it up&quot; rule. If that rule wasn't put in place, we just might have seen a lot of comments as answers and one-liners like the two downvoted posts at the bottom. IMHO, ***sometimes*** the answers make the question look great. +1" CreationDate="2012-10-02T04:32:34.360" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1296" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="I honestly feel this is too localized and an example of what we don't want people to see.  `I don't know which career to choose?  Choose my life for me!`  The answers are surprisingly good, but the question has a very black and white view of the world." CreationDate="2012-10-01T11:39:13.573" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1305" PostId="462" Score="2" Text="The intro makes it localised, but it's not really. And it's not so much &quot;Choose my life for me&quot; as &quot;I am making a decision based on these assumptions. Are they correct?&quot; I don't have a major problem with this one. Could maybe use some editing." CreationDate="2012-10-01T12:42:26.423" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1318" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="Considering this person didn't give a lot of specifics or details that would change over time, I'd say it's *not* too localized, and the answers seem to support this. +1" CreationDate="2012-10-02T04:40:08.113" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1332" PostId="462" Score="0" Text="Given the comments here, it does indicate that some editing should probably happen, but that the heart of it is good." CreationDate="2012-10-03T13:49:58.400" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1297" PostId="463" Score="3" Text="Excellent question and answers.  Prime example of what Workplace is about." CreationDate="2012-10-01T11:42:32.790" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1306" PostId="464" Score="2" Text="Too many questions in one. Answers ended up unreadably long." CreationDate="2012-10-01T12:53:53.647" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1315" PostId="464" Score="0" Text="@pdr agreed, more than two sub-questions is often a red flag, I think this is a good example of why." CreationDate="2012-10-01T21:19:23.330" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1322" PostId="464" Score="2" Text="Plus, when you have multiple topics in one post, some people don't cover all the questions, making it harder to vote on the answers. There's only two though, likely because it's a bit overwhelming. I voted to close as &quot;Too localized&quot;. Great points in the comments about this making 5 really awesome separate questions though!" CreationDate="2012-10-02T05:00:04.303" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1372" PostId="464" Score="0" Text="Amazingly while this answer is at -7, the question it's about is at +3, with only one downvote (mine). Nice, we apparently hate the question, but I guess it wouldn't be &quot;nice&quot; to downvote it, it's &quot;nicer&quot; to let it appear as a useful question... &lt;sigh&gt;" CreationDate="2012-10-09T10:37:30.400" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1375" PostId="464" Score="0" Text="To be fair, I tried to get it closed when I realized it was a bad question but it wasn't closed until VERY recently ;-)" CreationDate="2012-10-09T13:49:48.540" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1289" PostId="465" Score="2" Text="I'm wary about these sorts of questions because of the possible severe legal implications of someone coming here, trusting the site as definitive, and then totally screw themselves over because they are in a different country. There was talk of potentially having a country tag for these sorts of questions (also questions relating to protocol/etiquette as varies by country)" CreationDate="2012-09-28T22:07:02.237" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1298" PostId="465" Score="1" Text="@enderland Anybody that takes explicit legal advice from the internet deserves severe legal implications IMHO.  Most of us do a good job of calling out bad advice or specifically local advice." CreationDate="2012-10-01T11:47:57.243" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1314" PostId="465" Score="0" Text="I actually liked this in that instead of whining about injustice, the question was focused on actual actions and expectations for a situation that probably isn't unique to this individual." CreationDate="2012-10-01T14:06:20.027" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1319" PostId="465" Score="2" Text="I'm on the fence on this one. Legal questions are always sort of iffy in my opinion. When you ask a question like this, you're getting opinions from random people on the Internet. Being an expert in navigating the workplace setting is much different than being an expert in New York employment laws..." CreationDate="2012-10-02T04:45:35.393" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1359" PostId="465" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 - There is some common(maybe uncommon) knowledge that goes around operating in the world.  One of these is a basic understanding of laws and rights.  Many of us learn them the hard way.  So long as the question is not asking for someone to take legal action you can ask about what a person can expect when they are fired.  Generally businesses will try to operate on the right side of the law.  Many times people expect protections that are not really there.  When there is something fishy we can advise to talk with a lawyer." CreationDate="2012-10-08T21:10:39.617" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1367" PostId="465" Score="0" Text="@Chad - After taking a second look at the answers, I'm convinced this question is a good example. +1. What saves it is that all answers mention &quot;get a lawyer&quot; as well as some good steps to help protect oneself." CreationDate="2012-10-09T03:46:27.627" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1299" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="This is an extraordinary question and one that resonates with a very similar situation I was in recently.  I learned a lot from reading the answers." CreationDate="2012-10-01T11:51:01.250" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1304" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="Strange question, to me. Saved by an excellent top answer." CreationDate="2012-10-01T12:34:36.760" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1310" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="Not a question I'd ever have had, as the contractors I work with are in a very different situation than this case, so it was nice to see something productive and outside my &quot;norm&quot;." CreationDate="2012-10-01T13:51:31.833" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1352" PostId="466" Score="0" Text="I do not care for the title but think it was a good question." CreationDate="2012-10-04T15:29:00.843" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1287" PostId="467" Score="4" Text="Good question, good top answers (but quite a few bad answers and a few &quot;could be comments&quot; answers...)" CreationDate="2012-09-28T22:01:10.853" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1295" PostId="467" Score="0" Text="Good question, some of the comments are redundant and some borderline offensive to some `Texas astounds me as a state` Did I say that?! ;-)" CreationDate="2012-10-01T11:34:55.513" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1301" PostId="467" Score="1" Text="Comments could do with a cleanup, but good Q&amp;A" CreationDate="2012-10-01T12:05:52.893" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="1316" PostId="467" Score="0" Text="This question represents a &quot;real problem&quot;; also, it is an interesting one that we should be proud to show on our top questions page." CreationDate="2012-10-02T04:27:21.337" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1311" PostId="468" Score="1" Text="Weird, I actually down voted on something I started. :)  I really don't know what happened with the answers here - I though (even at the outset) that I was pretty specific in what I asked for, but the answere were all over the map and in the end, very few actually filled my need." CreationDate="2012-10-01T13:54:14.937" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1320" PostId="468" Score="1" Text="This is sort of a polling question in disguise, IMHO, asking for a list of event types to fit a specific need. Even though Beth says she didn't get the answers she wanted, community dedication to providing details, as well as Beth asking the community to &quot;describe in detail&quot; sort of saved this and suppressed the polling aspect quite well! IMHO, the top answer solves the problem: &quot;Talk to the team ... challenge them to come up with something&quot;. This not only solves the problem for Beth, but for any future visitor who wants to hold any kind of event for any kind of department... +1" CreationDate="2012-10-02T04:50:29.570" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1350" PostId="468" Score="1" Text="@bethlakshmi - That is the problem with list questions.  I think it was left open more out of respect for the immense good you bring to the site than because it was a good question." CreationDate="2012-10-04T15:06:11.900" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1354" PostId="468" Score="0" Text="Fair enough.  Thanks for the kudos, but I'll close the question." CreationDate="2012-10-04T17:20:32.327" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1285" PostId="469" Score="2" Text="Relatively ok question, difficult to answer definitively (and there are books upon books written on this subject) but easy to give good answers to. imo the accepted answer was not the best answer" CreationDate="2012-09-28T21:55:06.943" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1303" PostId="469" Score="0" Text="Poor question turned ok by some savvy edits. But only ok. Answers didn't improve it." CreationDate="2012-10-01T12:29:49.213" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1312" PostId="469" Score="1" Text="Not, IMO, one of our better ones. Not (by any stretch) our worst, either, so after waffling, I didn't vote either way, figuring what I dislike (the generic quality of the question) was outweighed by the insightfulness of some of the answers." CreationDate="2012-10-01T13:56:56.540" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1321" PostId="469" Score="0" Text="The generic aspect to the question was probably due to my edit. On some sites I contribute to, if you leave in &quot;what resources are there for X&quot;, people will sometimes leave comments as answers with nothing but a link.  A question is always going to be better if the op can edit it instead of some random third party, since the op knows what she or he is wanting to solve. Still, editing can go a long way, and I think this got some great answers." CreationDate="2012-10-02T04:56:36.740" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1351" PostId="469" Score="0" Text="Another list question :(  This really needed to be edited to be brought on point before answers came in." CreationDate="2012-10-04T15:08:05.847" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1286" PostId="470" Score="1" Text="Very localized and hypothetical, but, with some work, could easily become a good question (probably too late now?)" CreationDate="2012-09-28T21:57:01.107" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1290" PostId="470" Score="2" Text="It's never too late @enderland, just try to make sure the answers still make sense against the edits. :)" CreationDate="2012-09-28T22:44:17.323" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1300" PostId="470" Score="2" Text="This is one of those questions that discuss a potential bait and switch scam that some employers play, although it isn't totally apparent by reading the question.  The answers bring a lot of insight into the reality of the situation with the person asking the question." CreationDate="2012-10-01T11:54:46.207" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1313" PostId="470" Score="1" Text="I felt like this was in the collection of questions that walks the borderline - there's a lot in here that just may be so specialized that it only helps the asker.  But I'm not 100% sure." CreationDate="2012-10-01T14:04:53.553" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1323" PostId="471" Score="3" Text="That's..not...remotely the same question. I encourage edits, but I don't really think total replacements should be done as &quot;edits&quot; like this." CreationDate="2012-10-03T03:32:26.080" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1324" PostId="471" Score="2" Text="@Rarity - It might be worth discussing that and digging a little deeper. While an hour ago I would have leaned more towards agreeing with you, if a post can be salvaged, still make the op happy, get to the heart of a *real* problem, and not waste space or require deletion, then it may actually be a policy we might want to consider taking a deeper look at. After all, editing is at the core of the SE platform....  Let me know if you want me to start a meta question on this topic." CreationDate="2012-10-03T03:35:28.807" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1325" PostId="471" Score="2" Text="Unfortunately, I think rants will require *major* edits in order to actually be salvageable, and it's probably better than turning away the op completely or leaving him to his own devices.... I'd really be interested to see if he likes these edits. If so, I think this could be a great question for this site." CreationDate="2012-10-03T03:37:37.323" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1326" PostId="471" Score="0" Text="Personally I think it's still a very big question, one that's not very constructively answerable. At best it seems to elicit suggestions since the problem is so huge. It's closer to &quot;how can I be more awesome&quot; than &quot;how can I solve (practical, self-contained situation)&quot;. I'd still vote-to-close as it is now, though I wouldn't close it outright as a moderator." CreationDate="2012-10-03T03:42:22.343" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1327" PostId="471" Score="0" Text="I see your point @Rarity. Without actually experiencing the problem myself, it's tough to include enough detail to make it &quot;real&quot;. Maybe Greg can take the ball and run with it and tell us more about what it's like to work at his company. We'll see. :)" CreationDate="2012-10-03T03:45:22.573" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1328" PostId="471" Score="1" Text="@jmort253: thank you very much for the help here and please realize this has nothing to do with anyone being &quot;more awesome&quot;. This has to do with a corporate culture that exists and actually is hurting business and the economy. I have heard the Microsoft has addressed this issue by ensuring managers are paid less but I am unable to verify or find the details of it. Yes, I am very happy with the edits and I think it has been salvaged well." CreationDate="2012-10-03T05:42:07.500" UserId="2300" />
  <row Id="1329" PostId="471" Score="1" Text="@Rarity: please do not draw conclusions about the question or that it has anything to do with &quot;how can I be more awesome&quot;. I don't even see how you can say that when you profile location is &quot;Fabulosity&quot; - https://www.google.com/search?q=Fabulosity&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;channel=rcs" CreationDate="2012-10-03T05:45:09.527" UserId="2300" />
  <row Id="1330" PostId="471" Score="3" Text="@GregMcNulty - I don't think Rarity meant offense. He was just saying that the question still might be a little too broad for our site or still unanswerable, and he was using &quot;how can I be more awesome&quot; as an example of a question that can't really be answered definitively. We look for questions that will a) help future visitors, and b) not digress into argument or debates. If you can, try to make some edits to your question to make it sound like you're trying to solve a problem at work. It's getting closer! Good luck! :)" CreationDate="2012-10-03T06:14:55.800" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1336" PostId="471" Score="0" Text="&quot;How do I be more awesome&quot; is just a hyperbole of a classic problem question; people like it, lots of people have recommendations, but no one has *solutions*. You can't definitely answer it, or really even remotely guess how you can help anyone in particular *or* general, can help solve the problem. It'd be great if you could, but if you can't, it's just opinions and suggestions, not *answers*." CreationDate="2012-10-03T16:50:56.420" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1338" PostId="471" Score="1" Text="@Rarity: ok, I didn't realize no one has a solution to this problem, that is very discouraging....perhaps we can be the first to find a solution, I am all about problem solving but it appears this is not the place." CreationDate="2012-10-03T17:19:24.197" UserId="2300" />
  <row Id="1340" PostId="471" Score="0" Text="@GregMcNulty solutions to this problem in one company? Probably. A magic solution that applies to all companies? Incredibly doubtful" CreationDate="2012-10-03T18:45:57.833" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1331" PostId="472" Score="0" Text="I agree; this is why I cast the (now 10th) close vote." CreationDate="2012-10-03T13:48:44.530" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1333" PostId="472" Score="4" Text="@jcmeloni and maple, I'm not sure I understand how keeping a question the same and keeping it closed is better than changing it into something that's answerable. So far, people seem to agree the edit was unwarranted, and I'm definitely open to ideas, but I'd appreciate a reason, if you don't mind. Why are we so intent on not using the editing capabilities that make SE great?" CreationDate="2012-10-03T15:03:24.360" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1334" PostId="472" Score="2" Text="Sometimes people who write rants don't know what their question is until you help them uncover it. If Greg is happy with the edits, why are we so concerned with it being changed?" CreationDate="2012-10-03T15:05:20.147" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1335" PostId="472" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 Regardless of the OP's blessing, if there are already answers on the question then you run the risk of potentially invalidating existing answers." CreationDate="2012-10-03T16:10:33.353" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1337" PostId="472" Score="1" Text="@maple_shaft: Agreed, but there weren't any answers. Rarity had closed it within about 14 seconds of its being posted." CreationDate="2012-10-03T17:12:29.323" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1339" PostId="472" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I'm a huge fan of changing it into something answerable. It still isn't. It's overly broad, as I commented on the question itself (that's what I was agreeing with -- it's not currently answerable)." CreationDate="2012-10-03T18:01:25.163" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1341" PostId="472" Score="1" Text="I'm with you there @jcmeloni. If it's unanswerable still, I understand. We'll keep it closed. My issue is with the idea that changing a closed, 0-answer  question is somehow harmful to the spirit of Q&amp;A or to the site in general. As pdr points out, this question was single-handedly mod-closed before any answers were posted. The only place this post was headed was the delete bin. Therefore, I think someone should explain why editing and changing a post on a collaboratively edited Q&amp;A site, with no answers, that had no value, is harmful. So far, no one has been able to explain why..." CreationDate="2012-10-04T02:56:27.787" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1342" PostId="472" Score="0" Text="cc- @pdr, maple - [cont'd] So, if I'm thinking about this wrong or misunderstand the guidelines of edit before close, I'm okay with that. Help me understand. But if there isn't a real, justified reason, perhaps we should re-evaluate this policy and come up with some better editing guidelines for different scenarios. In some cases, completely changing the question is wrong; I get that, but should that be true in *every* case, like when the question is headed for the chopping block anyway? This is what needs to be answered. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2012-10-04T02:59:29.310" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1343" PostId="472" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 My issue with changing the core question (other than invalidating answers, which doesn't apply here) is that the OP can't respond to requests for clarifications. And how could they, it's a different question than what they wanted to ask originally. This is a problem with all &quot;artificial&quot; questions, and one of the many reasons we expect all questions to be about _actual_ problems you're facing." CreationDate="2012-10-04T06:31:52.990" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1344" PostId="472" Score="1" Text="(cont...) Your version is better, but still a bit broad, and I think much of our inability to make it more specific and answerable is because it's not an actual problem any of us faces or has faced in the past, and we've reached a point were we are trying to force a good question out of a... not so good one. That rarely turns out well, I think if a question can only be salvaged by changing it completely, it's better to let it go. If the changed version is a common enough problem, it will be re-asked at some point in the future, by someone actually having to deal with the core issue." CreationDate="2012-10-04T06:34:11.567" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1345" PostId="472" Score="1" Text="Thanks @YannisRizos. This is helpful! But can we agree that, should this situation come up again, that it's still okay to try to save the question with the understanding that if it doesn't work out, we rollback the edits and move on? I feel really discouraged right now when it comes to editing here because IMHO it's hard to determine where the line is. What I'm suggesting is that we (1) still encourage more editing over less editing, (2) judge these on a case by case basis, (3) rollback and move on in cases like this, where my edits clearly didn't work. :)  But if they DID work, we celebrate!" CreationDate="2012-10-04T06:36:51.753" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1346" PostId="472" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 I've expanded my comments in an answer. Short version: I don't think we'll ever get a solid set of guidelines for heroic edits, it will always be a case by case thing, imho." CreationDate="2012-10-04T07:23:39.073" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1349" PostId="472" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 &quot;changing a closed, 0-answer question is somehow harmful to the spirit of Q&amp;A or to the site in general&quot; I don't have any issue with that, as long as the edits are in line w/ what the OP is trying to say -- I did it a lot in the early days of this site." CreationDate="2012-10-04T11:14:36.153" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1347" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="Thanks Yannis for this detailed explanation. My takeaway is to continue to be bold with edits on answerless, closed questions, and don't be afraid to fail.  Problem solved! :)" CreationDate="2012-10-04T07:25:27.760" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1348" PostId="473" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 Or, since the question touches a bit on management, you could just cheat and re-ask/migrate it on PM, where all our annoying opinions on it will be humbled by the glow of your diamond ;P" CreationDate="2012-10-04T07:26:53.327" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1357" PostId="475" Score="0" Text="Arg, I really figured this would be covered by the &quot;how do I be a...&quot; section, I guess it isn't (explicitly). Is there some way we could worm that definition into the existing questions? I'd like to prevent the FAQ from getting any longer than necessary and it seems very related to what's in there..." CreationDate="2012-10-08T18:06:29.823" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1358" PostId="475" Score="0" Text="@Rarity you could potentially do this in my update" CreationDate="2012-10-08T18:45:18.667" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1360" PostId="477" Score="0" Text="1) Too localized doesn't apply here, we are asking people to ask about actual practical problems, that are by definition localized. Yes, preferably questions should apply to a wider question, but they _must_ be about actual practical problems one is facing in the workplace, we won't sacrifice that in favour of making the question more general." CreationDate="2012-10-09T00:36:30.657" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1361" PostId="477" Score="0" Text="2) `Situations like this can never really be described in enough details to make anything other than a passing judgement over` So, we're admitting defeat?" CreationDate="2012-10-09T00:37:01.997" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1362" PostId="477" Score="0" Text="3) `How can the asker possibly know the motivations?` A good question to ask the OP in a comment. The whole point of this rant is that for _non_ trivial issues, we should favour comments over close votes." CreationDate="2012-10-09T00:37:49.283" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1363" PostId="477" Score="0" Text="4) `this has huge legal implications` As does _any_ workplace issue. If the question is not _asking_ about legal advice, it's on topic. If &quot;get legal advice&quot; is its _answer_, that's also fine." CreationDate="2012-10-09T00:38:59.000" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1364" PostId="477" Score="0" Text="5) `it is a yes/no question at heart` I did that, moving a comment by the OP into the question, if that's an issue let's reverse my edit, not close the question." CreationDate="2012-10-09T00:39:41.293" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1365" PostId="477" Score="0" Text="6) 2/3 answers are adequate, imho. Probably not definitive, or canonical, but the question has been sufficiently answered." CreationDate="2012-10-09T00:40:29.747" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1366" PostId="477" Score="0" Text="btw my downvote here is strictly because I disagree with your assertions, in no way am I unappreciative of your effort to explain your position or ignoring the fact that you commented on the question and participated in the chat discussion about it. Just a note though, your comment wasn't really helpful, telling someone their question is broad is just noise, explain _why_ the question is broad is priceless. Always favour explanations over statements." CreationDate="2012-10-09T00:46:59.413" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1373" PostId="477" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos 1) No we are asking about what to do if this exact situation happens again. - 2) No we are saying that passing judgement is not constructive on SE. 3) Except the question is really really bad in current form.  It needs to be fixed badly before bad answers pile Up.  I am willing to vote to reopen if it gets fixed... its not there yet. 5) Reversing your edit just reinstates the original really really bad question.  6) The question is a broken window.  I want it to be fixed but we need more info from the OP to do so." CreationDate="2012-10-09T13:40:34.323" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1374" PostId="477" Score="0" Text="@Chad If &quot;really really bad&quot; is your honest assessment of the question and not a hyperbole, I'm sorry, but there isn't much to discuss here, we are obviously on opposite ends on this one. Also please note that re-iterating that a question is &quot;really really bad&quot; thrice is just plain noise if you don't _explain_ why it's &quot;really really bad&quot;." CreationDate="2012-10-09T13:43:35.787" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1376" PostId="477" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - It was really really bad because it was not constructive, asking a hypothetical, sounded more like a rant than a question, and was asking for a yes or no.  It needed to be closed.  But the heart of the question was savable and you did a good job saving it.  Close edit reopen worked exactly as it should." CreationDate="2012-10-09T13:58:56.220" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1369" PostId="478" Score="0" Text="`I was a little annoyed that the original poster hadn't responded to anyone's request for clarification, even though it showed that person had since visited.` The question was posted by a brand new SE user, and it's not that hard to miss notifications of comments when you're new, the interface is a bit complex and it takes some time to get used to it - and I'm mostly saying this for myself, as I've also been annoyed in the past that a brand new user failed to respond to comments, although they've visited the site." CreationDate="2012-10-09T05:53:38.717" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1370" PostId="478" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - Absolutely. You're right. I can't argue with any of the points you've made here. The annoyance really wasn't justified, and this was clearly a mistake on my part. I thought it was important for me to explain myself because it really is critical to the health of these communities that we use these votes, and comments, carefully. Thank you for bringing up this issue!" CreationDate="2012-10-09T06:02:30.297" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1371" PostId="478" Score="0" Text="...coincidentally I served as a Sergeant, which might explain how we approached the question from different perspectives ;) Obviously I have no way to verify whether there's actual discrimination going on or not, and of course I'd welcome any clarification from the OP, I just felt we were a bit hasty on this one, and the off topic close vote on the harassment question really got on my nerves, and given the related nature of the questions I started to wonder whether we want (or can cope with) such questions." CreationDate="2012-10-09T06:06:41.230" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1382" PostId="480" Score="0" Text="Then ethics tags should go too.  Since the workplace is no place for questions about ethics just specific ethical issues.  Can we bar these tags and give anyone who tries to use them a warning that their question may be off topic?" CreationDate="2012-10-09T19:55:05.030" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1383" PostId="480" Score="1" Text="@Chad Ask a separate question about [ethics], when this discussion concludes: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/453/are-ethics-part-of-our-purview" CreationDate="2012-10-09T22:01:15.470" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1384" PostId="480" Score="0" Text="I actually added that as an answer to that question.  Thanks." CreationDate="2012-10-10T13:01:51.813" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1385" PostId="480" Score="3" Text="@Chad What? Why? No, ask a question about it, follow the process... We can't start removing [ethics] based on an answer, ask a question about it, post an answer if you have a strong opinion, and that's about it..." CreationDate="2012-10-10T22:59:12.183" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="7288" PostId="480" Score="1" Text="@Yannis - I was just about to ask why we had the tag myself, so looks like it's reappeared, given it's 2 1/2 years since your answer." CreationDate="2015-06-04T17:15:26.857" UserId="4937" />
  <row Id="7424" PostId="480" Score="0" Text="@TheWanderingDevManager Same. Was just about to ask, since most of the 18 questions with the tag are closed." CreationDate="2015-07-15T21:14:59.133" UserDisplayName="user15729" />
  <row Id="7425" PostId="480" Score="0" Text="However, perhaps the tag should remain, but it needs strict guidelines. There's not even an excerpt telling how to use it. [What is asking for legal advice?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1856)" CreationDate="2015-07-15T21:16:59.820" UserDisplayName="user15729" />
  <row Id="7426" PostId="480" Score="0" Text="The convention seems to be that legal questions that HR should know the answer to are on-topic. Everything else is not. Questions about hiring would be the primary ones. [What is &quot;legal advice&quot;?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1983)" CreationDate="2015-07-15T21:18:56.103" UserDisplayName="user15729" />
  <row Id="7430" PostId="480" Score="0" Text="@TheWanderingDevManager I think we need a new Meta discussion about this." CreationDate="2015-07-16T08:05:32.720" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1378" PostId="481" Score="0" Text="Well technically we're both; how about something more like &quot;For members of the workforce....with questions about...&quot; with a better defined list of topics we are about?" CreationDate="2012-10-09T16:54:30.727" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1379" PostId="481" Score="1" Text="I actually just noticed an edit like this would make some of our &quot;don't-ask&quot; bullet points redundant, so we'd probably have to revise that section as well. I'd keep the section on legal, add a section explaining localized questions with the salary bit and JobA vs JobB bits as examples, and re-iterate that questions should be about the workplace itself using &quot;Please review my CV&quot;, &quot;How do I learn to be a...&quot;, and &quot;How do I perform the job of a ...&quot; as examples." CreationDate="2012-10-09T16:55:30.273" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1380" PostId="481" Score="0" Text="@Rarity I think the topic should be first, because SE sites are first and foremost about a specific topic. The community should be second as we want to make sure users understand that this is not like a forum, where you can post any question that seeks an answer from the community. Something like *&quot;The Workplace - Stack Exchange is a place to get professional or experienced answers about the Workplace. It is for any members (or soon to be members) of the workforce looking for help in navigating the professional setting.&quot;*" CreationDate="2012-10-09T16:56:15.093" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1381" PostId="481" Score="1" Text="I'm fine with a better topic definition making some of the example points redundant, that section's already long. I don't think topic needs to be first since the sentence as-is can naturally read into the community, and exposition of the community is quick and gives you a quick picture of what you really *should* expect the topic to be about." CreationDate="2012-10-09T18:14:24.027" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1387" PostId="482" Score="1" Text="Removing (or not) the tag is a separate discussion." CreationDate="2012-10-12T07:06:07.143" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1388" PostId="482" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - Not really it can be the solution to this discussion." CreationDate="2012-10-12T12:52:08.743" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1389" PostId="482" Score="0" Text="Chad, discussions don't need solutions ;} Anyway, it's a separate issue. We might decide that we like ethics questions, but not the tag itself, what then? As I've already said, when this discussion concludes, ask a separate question about removing the tag. It's a very simple process, really..." CreationDate="2012-10-12T12:57:46.270" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1391" PostId="483" Score="0" Text="I don't really agree with explicitly enumerating what we do here because that implicitly excludes all else. I would rather implicitly include what we do and explicitly exclude what we know to be 99% problematic. What is on topic is the general topic area, not any explicit list of specific items." CreationDate="2012-10-14T18:23:39.043" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1392" PostId="483" Score="0" Text="Not sure I agree @Rarity, there are other examples of other sites that do enumerate what we do but that don't necessarily exclude items just because they're not listed. By listing what we do, we're less likely to have people vote to close harassment questions just because it wasn't clear what side of the line they're on....  With that said, I do think it's more important to list what we don't do, so I think we're doing pretty good there." CreationDate="2012-10-14T18:29:26.157" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1393" PostId="483" Score="0" Text="I think you're letting a specific example cloud your judgement...the discrimination question did need to be closed as it was unclear and lacking some important details, and it was improved substantially and reopened, all by the community no less. Off topic shouldn't have been picked as a close reason, but suffering a small handful of wrong close reasons is a lot less of a risk to my mind than implicitly restricting the scope of the site significantly. I'd rather questions be asked and some closed than see them never asked at all." CreationDate="2012-10-14T18:32:46.833" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1411" PostId="483" Score="0" Text="most harrassment and discrimination questions are nearly impossible to keep separate from legal issues..." CreationDate="2012-10-20T04:25:46.387" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1394" PostId="485" Score="4" Text="Agreed. Some of us are executives, some are middle managers, some are one or the other inside and outside of HR, etc. (and, like on the other SE sites, we're not all guys)" CreationDate="2012-10-15T23:33:26.967" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1395" PostId="485" Score="0" Text="Some of us are entry level grunts. Some of us are college kids that think we know everything. Some of us are Steve Jobs. As with any other Stack Exchange site, look at the voting trends and the reputation, and trust the answers that look legitimate." CreationDate="2012-10-16T03:03:00.870" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1396" PostId="485" Score="0" Text="@Jim that's kinda my question. On stackoverflow, 2,500+ rep is usually a sign that this person must be a legitimate professional programmer (and regular user). On graphicdesign.SE, 1,000+ rep is a sign that this person must be a professional designer (and regular user). Someone on travel.SE with 1,000+ must be an experienced traveller (and regular user). You could say my question is essentially, &quot;When a workplace.SE user has high rep, what else does it say about them, in addition to signifying that they are a regular user?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-10-16T12:10:37.877" UserId="4559" />
  <row Id="1397" PostId="485" Score="1" Text="@jcmeloni I meant &quot;guys&quot; in the non-gender-specific sense as used in *Friends* etc, edited the question for benefit of regions where that sitcom didn't catch on... :)" CreationDate="2012-10-16T12:12:27.280" UserId="4559" />
  <row Id="1398" PostId="485" Score="0" Text="@user568458 Don't confuse reputation with expertise, I know a lot of guys with tons of reputation who don't really qualify as experts ([for example](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/users/25936/yannis-rizos)). Reputation is a rough measurement of how much the community trusts you, and just that. Each site has only one actual expert, the community itself." CreationDate="2012-10-16T12:16:02.033" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1399" PostId="485" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos But you'll take my point that anyone looking at your profile can instantly see that you're a professional programmer whose focus is more towards system design than coding, like how anyone glancing at my profile can see that I'm a designer with some modest web-related coding skills. If someone had 12,000 rep in Workplace.SE and 76 rep in cooking.SE (down from 100), what inferences could you draw, other than that they are probably a terrible cook? :)" CreationDate="2012-10-16T12:25:45.063" UserId="4559" />
  <row Id="1400" PostId="485" Score="1" Text="@user568458 System design? What??? I'm a web developer, 99% of my work involves hacking PHP ;)" CreationDate="2012-10-16T12:28:11.487" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1401" PostId="485" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos By system design I mean the conceptual system planning stuff that programmers.SE is for - deciding in what ways the PHP needs to be hacked, not just implementing some other guy's specifications. Not my trade so I don't know the right term!" CreationDate="2012-10-16T12:30:50.720" UserId="4559" />
  <row Id="1402" PostId="485" Score="0" Text="@user568458 Well... Yes and no, reputation is fuzzy. Several of my answers are on questions that were featured on Reddit, HackerNews and elsewhere and I got disproportional amounts of rep from them (more people saw them, more people voted). Think of reputation as a hint that the user knows his stuff, but at the end of the day it's just a hint, nothing more." CreationDate="2012-10-16T12:40:38.570" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1403" PostId="485" Score="0" Text="@user568458 To continue the example: My Stack Overflow account has just a bit over 1K rep, after three years. Programmers and Stack Overflow overlap significantly in expertise, I (probably) could have got a decent amount of rep on Stack Overflow if I tried but... I don't like Stack Overflow very much. Had you seen my Stack Overflow account first, your (first) impression of my skills would be different than from what you got from my ProgSE account, and it would be false..." CreationDate="2012-10-16T12:44:24.730" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1406" PostId="485" Score="0" Text="@user568458 Gotta disagree with your further point about &quot;professionals&quot;.  I would guess the majority of cooking 1000+ users are hobbyists; same for Travel, for Money (I have 1000+ and just study finance for my own personal information), UXers may likely be professional programmers not UX designers, Gardening, Christianity, Judaism, etc. etc." CreationDate="2012-10-17T17:34:50.537" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1408" PostId="485" Score="0" Text="@NickC - Agreed, and see also my own examples above, of Travel.SE (will tend to be experienced travellers, could also include pro tour guides, reps, travel writers...), bikes.SE (...&quot;keen cyclists and bike shop people&quot;), cooking.SE (...&quot;chefs and keen amateur cooks), Apple/Android/Linux/etc (...&quot;techies, developers and fans&quot;) etc. I'm asking about general trends, which do exist; I'm definitely not trying to argue that there are any abnormally rock-solid rules, because there clearly won't be, real life just ain't like that :)" CreationDate="2012-10-17T17:59:15.050" UserId="4559" />
  <row Id="1409" PostId="486" Score="0" Text="Great, thanks! Many SE sites begin with a very high proportion of users who work in software development / IT due to the massive popularity of StackOverflow etc, then very gradually the balance slowly drifts towards a more diverse user base. Any idea if this change is happening on Workplace.SE or is it too early to tell? Do you think the number of these &quot;outliers&quot; is increasing, decreasing, or staying about the same?" CreationDate="2012-10-17T18:04:27.553" UserId="4559" />
  <row Id="1412" PostId="487" Score="0" Text="I think this is a really outstanding idea. It's sort of like a private beta for the blog. If there's a backlog of articles already written, then during those slow periods where people have to be away or  have writers block, the weekly publishing can still happen." CreationDate="2012-10-22T00:12:43.397" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1703" PostId="487" Score="0" Text="Hi HLGEM, I wanted to bring [my post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/572/98) and [Yannis's post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/573/98) to your attention. What do you think?" CreationDate="2012-12-18T04:19:41.880" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1871" PostId="487" Score="0" Text="Hi @jmort253, I have been really interested in writing about _Making Adjustment from school(rather Grad College) to Work_. Now, should I write an Article on it in my own Blog and share it here or should I post it on trello." CreationDate="2013-01-15T05:56:15.503" UserId="2598" />
  <row Id="1872" PostId="487" Score="0" Text="@SahilMahajanMj - Our goal is to have 5 articles pre-written by February 1st so we can show Stack Exchange we have enough content, and interest from the community, to get started. The current writers are just using a Google Doc, which could be linked in Trello for now. I added you to the [Workplace Trello board](https://trello.com/board/workplace-blog-board/50d3d6e1ee09bc0015001173), so you should be able to create a &quot;card&quot; representing the &quot;adjustment&quot; subject. When you begin writing, please move it to the &quot;being written&quot; category so we communicate with others. Thank you for volunteering! :)" CreationDate="2013-01-15T07:09:59.780" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1873" PostId="487" Score="0" Text="@SahilMahajanMj - Also, don't forget to drop by the [Workplace Blog Chat Room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/6800/the-blogging-from-9-to-5-room) to introduce yourself or bounce around more ideas. :)" CreationDate="2013-01-15T07:11:36.177" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1874" PostId="487" Score="0" Text="Thanx @jmort253: I would start writing an article from now on. and I'll surely introduce myself in the chat room as soon as I'll reach home _(Chat is strictly banned in our office)_." CreationDate="2013-01-15T07:46:18.717" UserId="2598" />
  <row Id="2163" PostId="487" Score="0" Text="@HGLEM i like the idea of this though i think if done properly that each of the ideas you had for a post could actually be split into a long running topic, things change, new things are thought of ect, and an idea of a long running topic of office politics or any of the others, with a new post released along those lines when needed would be a good idea!" CreationDate="2013-03-05T14:11:24.593" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="1413" PostId="488" Score="2" Text="I agree that I'm not sure it really matters one way or another, but your answer does strike me as a comment.  You are asking several questions back to the asker, with not much substance (and not backed up as enderland pointed out)." CreationDate="2012-10-22T23:56:07.890" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1415" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="Interesting.  I submitted a potential wiki description for *money* only yesterday, because of precisely this issue.  Also mentioned it in a question on meta.stackoverflow - is this in response to either of those?" CreationDate="2012-10-24T08:49:44.127" UserId="4628" />
  <row Id="1436" PostId="492" Score="0" Text="@itsbruce not directly, though I did happen to notice &quot;money&quot; and remembered an earlier issue of salary vs pay/payment." CreationDate="2012-10-24T16:37:38.633" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1414" PostId="493" Score="0" Text="I'm okay with this. I forgot to mention raise;  it's yet another money tag but like you say it's a distinct problem. Current pay, payment and salary are not distinct." CreationDate="2012-10-23T13:18:23.083" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1417" PostId="497" Score="1" Text="I think your second point is not an argument being made." CreationDate="2012-10-24T12:45:56.107" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1448" PostId="497" Score="0" Text="if anything, this question has one of the most enlightening revision histories I ever studied" CreationDate="2012-10-24T22:31:11.257" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1449" PostId="497" Score="2" Text="Never mind starting a debate, the question **is** a debate." CreationDate="2012-10-25T00:29:53.127" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="1416" PostId="498" Score="0" Text="The only question I can see that could come out of this that would be constructive and on topic has already been asked though. http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/4049/what-are-the-benefits-of-multicultural-diversity-in-the-work-environment" CreationDate="2012-10-24T12:43:03.850" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1418" PostId="498" Score="2" Text="It doesn't read to me like Greg is facing any specific workplace problem. He hasn't given any specific examples of 'diversity programs', just a very vague comment about 'diversity on the floor'." CreationDate="2012-10-24T13:22:21.683" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="1425" PostId="498" Score="3" Text="There is nothing personal about it.  We all have asked bad questions.  But trying to lobby to get your question reopened because you want to have a discussion is not good.  That was most of what he got flack for I believe." CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:24:54.820" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1450" PostId="498" Score="3" Text="@Chad, the comment thread has been deleted, so I can't verify, but I thought the flack is what made him get defensive and urge people to reopen. I could be mistaken though. Either way, I believe focusing on solutions is better than just picking people apart without explaining how to be a better SE user. After all, asking questions is tough..... Hope this helps clarify any confusion." CreationDate="2012-10-25T01:08:06.480" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1451" PostId="498" Score="2" Text="He made the pleas to reopen almost immediately, after the comments `This isn't really a question about the workplace, but about politics and society. It's also a discussion question, very unlikely to get a definitive answer.`  and `As is, this has too many open questions. It could be the problem statement for an entire thesis or research project. What is your actual problem that needs solving?`. I don't think they warrant being defensive...sorry for the format abuse, it's hard to show quotes in comments" CreationDate="2012-10-25T15:54:03.907" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1452" PostId="498" Score="2" Text="I agree with @Rarity - the question was closed and quickly received a quick &quot;hey guys please reopen this question&quot; comment. Just look at the edit history and see the timing between it being closed, the changes the OP made, and then the sequence." CreationDate="2012-10-25T16:20:05.980" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1453" PostId="498" Score="0" Text="@enderland actually he made the comments before the post was closed" CreationDate="2012-10-25T16:30:06.497" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1422" PostId="499" Score="0" Text="A contest would be a great idea, but afaik SE will not sponsor events for beta sites." CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:03:42.820" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1423" PostId="499" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos they will, but the budget is probably more limited. Need a solid plan + community acceptance for an event on *any* site before they'll do it, though" CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:07:11.737" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1426" PostId="499" Score="0" Text="Contests don't need to be expensive.  Mi Yodeya (when in beta) had a contest with an $18 gift card as the prize, plus of course the satisfaction of making the site better.  Board Games currently has an informal contest where soembody is offering games from his collection for winners.  What could we offer?  Cubicle toys?  Dilbert books?" CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:28:36.367" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1427" PostId="499" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Mi Yodeya wasn't really a normal beta though, if I'm not horribly mistaken it was a SE1.0 site?" CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:34:59.690" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1428" PostId="499" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos, it was a 1.0 site, and then went through the 2.0 beta process to eventual launch.  (I joined at the 2.0 beta launch, so I don't know details of that transition.) [BGG contest](http://meta.boardgames.stackexchange.com/q/918/1315), [Mi Yodeya contest](http://meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/q/364/472) (for ideas)." CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:42:21.580" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1429" PostId="499" Score="2" Text="btw we (currently) get more questions per day than Skeptics (4q/d), Bicycles (3.6q/d) and AskPatents (2.6q/d), and almost the same as Seasoned Advice (5.1q/d). All of them are launched sites (but AskPatents is special, not really a fair comparison)." CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:48:35.430" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1430" PostId="499" Score="1" Text="@YannisRizos - Interesting statistic. I don't know how SE decide to graduate a site, but I did assume those scores were the main consideration." CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:51:06.377" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="1431" PostId="499" Score="0" Text="@Oded Well I have no idea how many questions those sites got back when they graduated (you can find all available current stats [here](http://stackexchange.com/sites#questionsperday) - set the list in &quot;list view&quot;). Anyhow, the stats are just a very high level view of the site, they aren't really that important (let's not fixate on numbers). That said, we could always use more questions..." CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:52:41.183" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1433" PostId="499" Score="1" Text="I would put my bets on fostering **avid users** base, those supposed to contribute regularly. Counting at about 300 now, it doesn't feel particularly wide. I'd try to motivate (actually **I** already did just that) _known_ question askers to return back and ask more questions. For that, one could go over existing questions (including digging to the old ones) and [upvote good ones](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/312/vote-early-vote-often), to give askers positive feedback and incentive to increase their participation. Some bounties wouldn't hurt, either (I did that, too)" CreationDate="2012-10-24T15:49:05.750" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1445" PostId="499" Score="2" Text="RE: graduating a site, growth is the main thing. Generally sites are graduated when they look like they're &quot;taking off&quot; and are solidly healthy. The stats are a part, but they ignore lots of other important things, and they're not all super-vital, especially questions asked (few recently graduated sites have had 15+ questions per day at graduation)" CreationDate="2012-10-24T18:54:38.457" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1467" PostId="499" Score="1" Text="Maybe not being so aggressive to close comments. And have some way to let people post anonymously and forego any rep that might come with the question, because some workplace questions can have a really negative impact on the asker if the wrong person sees it." CreationDate="2012-10-27T19:45:46.587" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1482" PostId="499" Score="2" Text="I'd even go so far as to say moderators should just outright delete any comments that attempt to debate the closeworthiness of the question on the question itself. Any comment that doesn't help the asker improve the question only serves to be harmful, either to the asker, the site itself, or both. If there's debate, it should go to meta so it's not right up in the asker's face." CreationDate="2012-10-27T21:34:21.537" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1520" PostId="499" Score="0" Text="@AmyBlankenship You can post anonymously if you want, registration is not required, all that's required to post a question is a username (that needs not make sense) and an email (that needs not be real). Even if you already have an account, there's no problem in creating a secondary account to post questions you don't want to show up in your main account (just don't use it to interact with your main account in any way, especially voting). Furthermore you can ask for _any_ post to be disaccociated from your account if you want - just flag it for mod attention." CreationDate="2012-11-01T20:49:52.797" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1526" PostId="499" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the info, Yannis." CreationDate="2012-11-01T23:19:43.540" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1419" PostId="500" Score="1" Text="`It's a debate topic.` you use `debate` far more liberally than I do :-)" CreationDate="2012-10-24T13:47:24.200" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1420" PostId="500" Score="0" Text="@enderland how so? I can easily imagine this question as a topic for Lincoln/Douglas or Congressional debate styles." CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:01:47.063" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1421" PostId="500" Score="0" Text="You think this site will have a nice debate over this topic? We'd get all sorts of answers like the one there so far." CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:03:20.617" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1424" PostId="500" Score="0" Text="@enderland debate isn't always nice...but anyway I was using debate as an example of a discussion outside of our format." CreationDate="2012-10-24T14:09:22.187" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1434" PostId="500" Score="0" Text="Hence my original comment :)" CreationDate="2012-10-24T16:23:06.987" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1454" PostId="501" Score="1" Text="Actually I don't think that's the bottom line, because clearly the OP, Greg, *does* think this is about a problem he faces in the workplace.  So we don't get anywhere with that point.  Even if you think that it &quot;fails to meet that criteria&quot;, something is wrong with the messaging." CreationDate="2012-10-25T17:51:56.973" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1455" PostId="501" Score="1" Text="@NickC I am not saying it is not a problem he faces,  but the question was not practical or answerable.  Especially when he admitted in the comments that he was looking for a discussion on the topic." CreationDate="2012-10-25T18:27:24.597" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1440" PostId="502" Score="2" Text="`What am I missing why this question is bad?` It's extremely boring." CreationDate="2012-10-24T17:04:35.977" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1441" PostId="502" Score="2" Text="@YannisRizos is &quot;exciting&quot; a criteria for questions on these sites?" CreationDate="2012-10-24T17:05:02.653" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1442" PostId="502" Score="0" Text="No, of course not. However it might explain _some_ of the downvotes." CreationDate="2012-10-24T17:05:37.927" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1443" PostId="502" Score="1" Text="@YannisRizos I think that might be the #1 determining factor for up/downvotes on questions here now that you mention it..." CreationDate="2012-10-24T17:42:41.293" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1437" PostId="503" Score="3" Text="I think on BAD questions it might be for the site's benefit to not just downvote but include a lot more coaching types of comments, too. I know I've been turned off to a few question sites in the past because I had no idea how they worked, and got banned/downvoted/etc without explanation. I would like to think I am capable of doing things well after I understand them... I don't frequent those anymore, though, primarily because of the &quot;F U&quot; attitude that gives to a new user" CreationDate="2012-10-24T16:55:30.867" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1438" PostId="503" Score="0" Text="@enderland yeah, I'd recommend turning to (polite) [automatic comments via this script](http://stackapps.com/questions/2116/autoreviewcomments-pro-forma-comments-for-se) (Chrome/Greasemonkey users only I think) to give pointers to new users on those &quot;not THIS question again&quot; cases. It's easy to get fatigued by the same off topic/low quality questions again, but at the same time it's easy to come up with a quick template comment to give them a heads up on why they're getting downvoted/closed" CreationDate="2012-10-24T16:58:27.550" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1446" PostId="503" Score="0" Text="is there an easy install guide for that? Maybe I'm missing something but I cannot install stuff outside the Chrome appstore now (and I didn't see that there?)" CreationDate="2012-10-24T20:27:29.743" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1447" PostId="503" Score="0" Text="@enderland oh, yeah. What you gotta do is drag and drop the file/link onto the Extensions page. It's kinda annoying." CreationDate="2012-10-24T20:28:59.057" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1456" PostId="503" Score="0" Text="@enderland: Great point. jmort253 had similar thoughts over here: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/497/diversity-programs-question-do-we-want-it/498#498" CreationDate="2012-10-26T01:00:28.247" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1495" PostId="505" Score="1" Text="I downvote nearly all &quot;answers&quot; which are not answers, oftentimes they should be comments - this was no exception :-)" CreationDate="2012-10-29T20:55:36.307" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1496" PostId="505" Score="1" Text="This isn't an answer, it's a question. Just sayin'" CreationDate="2012-10-29T21:51:38.043" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1497" PostId="505" Score="0" Text="@AmyBlankenship And how is the community going to show disagreement with the premise of your question, if not by downvoting it?" CreationDate="2012-10-29T22:57:22.180" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1498" PostId="505" Score="0" Text="The same way that you want people to answer questions when their answer is short ;)" CreationDate="2012-10-29T22:58:35.057" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1500" PostId="505" Score="4" Text="Your edit transformed a good question (it was good, people just disagreed with it) into a pointless rant. If you disagree with my answer, downvote it, and if you have a better answer, well just post it. Also, none of the discussions I linked to are &quot;fixed in time&quot;, if you have opinions on them, just post them as answers and re-start the conversations." CreationDate="2012-10-30T04:26:47.107" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1501" PostId="505" Score="5" Text="Lastly, I find it quite sad that you are so quickly dismissing what the community has reached consensus on, you are free to disagree, but you are not free to belittle. If you want to rant, and post your opinions without feeling any burden to back them up, might I suggest you do it on your blog and not here?" CreationDate="2012-10-30T04:35:05.450" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1515" PostId="505" Score="0" Text="Reading the links you posted, I don't see consensus. I see that multiple views, not all in agreement, and also a very small slice of the entire community. Nobody has addressed why some of those views were acted upon and the others were not. I expanded my answer because my recollection is that there was a comment inviting me to do so, which doesn't seem to be here anymore." CreationDate="2012-11-01T01:35:28.943" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1530" PostId="505" Score="1" Text="@AmyBlankenship [Consensus isn't a majority vote](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consensus_decision-making)." CreationDate="2012-11-02T04:48:58.367" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1531" PostId="505" Score="0" Text="You have yet to divulge the procedure used here for determining that consenses has occurred. I hadn't previously downvoted your answer (I actually feel downvoting is really rude unless the problem is completely egregious). However, I think that your continued comments in response to my questions about consensus without adding anything to your answer that addresses them pushes it into that category." CreationDate="2012-11-02T22:34:27.970" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1544" PostId="505" Score="2" Text="@AmyBlankenship Hm, look at the vote count in your question. Then look at the vote count in the answers. That's consensus. Out of 181 people who visited this thread, those who cared enough to vote, did, and apparently are extremely against the premise of your question. This, coincidentally, is the most downvoted question on Meta Workplace ever. If that's not consensus, I don't know what is... In any case, I never tried to convince you of anything, only to explain, I couldn't care less if you are convinced or not." CreationDate="2012-11-03T05:53:10.660" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1545" PostId="505" Score="0" Text="You said yourself, consensus is not a majority vote ;). My thought is that most people tend not to examine a premise very hard once they've accepted it, and IMO this premise wasn't examined closely enough on the front end (and most still aren't considering it critically, but instead using confirmation bias)." CreationDate="2012-11-03T13:23:08.133" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1462" PostId="506" Score="2" Text="So, here's what bothers me about this. I'd be willing to bet most moderators on here aren't asking questions on here, because if your identity is well-known, you're probably not going to be comfortable asking the kind of question that should go on this forum (I thought long and hard before asking one). So, we have people who probably never will ask a question on here deciding for people who probably have no idea there even *is* a meta what is going to be useful to them... cont" CreationDate="2012-10-27T19:30:59.787" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1463" PostId="506" Score="2" Text="This forum also seem to close questions more often and more quickly than I've ever seen. Have you noticed that there are not a whole not of new questions anymore? I'd be willing to bet that the attitude of the moderators toward everyone else has something to do with it." CreationDate="2012-10-27T19:31:41.860" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1465" PostId="506" Score="0" Text="@AmyBlankenship Actually, I'm following the site's stats pretty closely, and we're getting more questions than ever. Now, by moderators do you mean the three moderators (those with diamonds next to their usernames), or high rep users in general? In any case, all high rep users, including the moderators, have asked quite a few questions already. As for Meta, well, you found it, and everyone else will, eventually." CreationDate="2012-10-27T19:42:44.050" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1466" PostId="506" Score="2" Text="(cont...) Lastly, closures. Well, the general approach is &quot;close early, close often&quot;, if you stick around you'll soon realize that closed doesn't mean dead. We like closing problematic questions, but we also enjoy fixing them and re-opening them. Closing just prevents the questions getting answers that might be invalidated when the question is improved. Generally speaking The Workplace doesn't differ from any other Stack Exchange when it comes to closures, if anything we close less questions here than on other sites." CreationDate="2012-10-27T19:45:13.970" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1468" PostId="506" Score="2" Text="I'm a long-time SO user, so I know about meta sites from there. I think many users will walk and never come back if their question is closed and they think it is unfair. I'm sure you're right, and there is no problem with # of questions per day http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/499/health-report-how-can-we-increase-the-number-of-questions" CreationDate="2012-10-27T19:48:30.747" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1471" PostId="506" Score="0" Text="Do you have any stats on how many regular forum users have posted anything on Meta?" CreationDate="2012-10-27T19:52:01.383" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1473" PostId="506" Score="0" Text="@AmyBlankenship We can always use more questions, but 5 q/d is a lot more than [3.5 q/d we were getting three months ago](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/316/hey-weve-reached-90-days-in-beta-party). The rate is steadily increasing, I never said it was perfect, just responding to your `Have you noticed that there are not a whole not of new questions anymore?` claim. As for Meta participation, you can start here: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/users" CreationDate="2012-10-27T19:55:02.823" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1475" PostId="506" Score="0" Text="Hm, since my profile on meta seems to be directly connected to my regular Workplace profile, I have low confidence that this reflects people who have actually posted something on here. It also doesn't seem to be in a format that tells me much about how representative the people listed are of Workplace users in general. Are these people 10%? 50%?" CreationDate="2012-10-27T19:57:42.750" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1476" PostId="506" Score="2" Text="Besides, I was more talking about the fact that it seems like in the past few days, there is something like 1 q/d (or less)" CreationDate="2012-10-27T19:59:35.930" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1477" PostId="506" Score="0" Text="@AmyBlankenship Weekends are slow on every site, our average q/d is constantly increasing. Also, look again at the list of meta users, it's sorted by Meta _participation_. As for what percentage of users have posted something on Meta, I have no idea, and I don't know why that would be important or even interesting." CreationDate="2012-10-27T20:00:21.977" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1481" PostId="506" Score="3" Text="[Workplace SE Area 51 Stats](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/30887/the-workplace). The Workplace is doing quite well. Because of the high quality of the Q&amp;A posts, the visits per day is almost excellent! :) Amy, keep in mind the goal is to also help future visitors. I encourage you to edit your post. I'm sure you have more things to add that would make it clear why you think the op shouldn't be worried. Vagueness might be okay for the asker, but the thousands of future visitors who visit the post might not be able to reach you to get more clarification. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2012-10-27T21:31:18.623" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1516" PostId="506" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the link to the stats. Interesting." CreationDate="2012-11-01T01:39:12.017" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1492" PostId="508" Score="6" Text="Short answer, link with almost no context.  What if the link fails or the content on that link changes? (In SO terms, that would be a deleted link or one where the question or answers were substantially edited).  Don't just link; add information." CreationDate="2012-10-29T15:13:47.477" UserId="4628" />
  <row Id="1491" PostId="509" Score="0" Text="btw I'm not claiming my reasoning is correct, just explaining what I thought at the time I voted to close. The question is now open, and that's that." CreationDate="2012-10-28T23:05:43.340" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1493" PostId="509" Score="0" Text="There are a lot of questions here which are not necessarily exclusively workplace issues (see most questions related to &quot;how to negotiate&quot;, etc)." CreationDate="2012-10-29T20:08:22.097" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1494" PostId="509" Score="0" Text="@enderland And I think I voted to close most of them ;)" CreationDate="2012-10-29T20:48:49.650" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1502" PostId="511" Score="3" Text="Also: Long answers we can easily rewrite and make sorter, if they are just too long to read (some of us have a tendency of writing too much, and adding lots of irrelevant info). Short answers we can't expand, only the original poster can." CreationDate="2012-10-30T15:28:10.273" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1503" PostId="511" Score="1" Text="+1 - Another way to approach this is this:  There is only *one* original poster, but there are *hundreds* or *thousands* of future visitors, and as enderland suggests, those hundreds and thousands may not be able to ask the answers &quot;Excuse me, what did you mean by X?&quot;." CreationDate="2012-10-30T15:29:34.670" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1504" PostId="511" Score="1" Text="Who is John Galt? (couldn't resist ;)" CreationDate="2012-10-30T15:38:13.767" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1532" PostId="511" Score="0" Text="Do you have anything to say to the part of my question that asked who &quot;we&quot; really counts as? I think that's actually the more important part of the question." CreationDate="2012-11-02T22:35:54.960" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1534" PostId="511" Score="2" Text="@AmyBlankenship the &quot;we&quot; is whoever votes for questions and answers, both here and on the main site. I gave you my voting methodology - it seems others have similar thoughts based on their voting." CreationDate="2012-11-02T22:53:24.170" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1511" PostId="512" Score="0" Text="On Cognitive Sciences we solve an issue similar to this by prohibiting &quot;self help&quot; questions unless they can be answered in the general sense and with real science (meaning the self-help bit can be 100% edited out). Maybe something like that here would be good, barring help that otherwise requires a professional maybe?" CreationDate="2012-10-31T13:50:26.693" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1513" PostId="512" Score="2" Text="@Rarity No. The Cognitive Sciences crowd is qualified (hopefully) to (expertly) judge real science, our crowd isn't (in general)." CreationDate="2012-10-31T22:26:07.743" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1514" PostId="512" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos the only &quot;judging&quot; I'm referring to is judging the appropriaty/topicality of a question, not how to answer it" CreationDate="2012-11-01T01:05:07.560" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1505" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="...The .5 is equally split between the two not awful answers, in case anyone's wondering." CreationDate="2012-10-31T06:10:49.130" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1506" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="This feels like the same type of question as those that fall under legal/ethical. I suggested getting professional counseling, which seems similar to suggesting someone get a lawyer but without giving legal advice. ;)" CreationDate="2012-10-31T06:12:45.480" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1507" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="I was thinking about the [discrimination question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/476/why-was-the-discrimination-question-closed-and-what-needs-be-done-to-re-open-it), which went through a close-reopen cycle, but I think the difference might be that discrimination is definitely a workplace issue. As for stress, I'm not so sure. I'm planning on keeping an eye on this myself. If it turns into a poll, I'll be either voting to close or flagging answers. I almost feel like flagging low quality answers might be better; asking questions, IMHO, is a lot harder than answering them." CreationDate="2012-10-31T06:17:00.860" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1508" PostId="513" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 The discrimination question is a bit different, as there's a coherent set of rules, guidelines and laws that define the concept and the behaviours. Adapting to stressors and overcoming distress, not so much, it's a far more personal process. For example, I find skydiving extremely helpful when it comes to dealing with stress, most people don't (I scream uncontrollably when I jump, but its screams of joy ;)." CreationDate="2012-10-31T06:20:01.983" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1509" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="Hmmm, my answer is a grey area. I don't think one needs to be a Ph.D to know that talking it out and rest are important; I did suggest those things. But at the end, I did suggest talking to a professional, which would be similar to what I would do on Fitness SE if someone had an injury, and it's similar to what I'd do if the question was about a legal issue here, on PMSE, or on OnStartups. I see your point about the  discrimination question being different. That makes sense, but at the same time, there are a lot of Workplace issues that also have dedicated experts. Stress exists in workplaces." CreationDate="2012-10-31T06:25:00.860" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1510" PostId="513" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 I don't really want to discuss individual answers, I've voted on all of them (up/down), and that's enough for me in the context of this discussion. If I have something to add to them, I'll comment on them. Since I'm calling for answers to be downvoted and/or removed, I don't really want to make it too obvious which answers I feel are crap. The question is borderline NC, some answers are crap, some are not. We can either close it, or weed out the crap answers and hope for the best, but it's up to everyone to decide what &quot;crap answer&quot; means for themselves." CreationDate="2012-10-31T06:32:30.797" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1512" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="I added an answer that tries to focus only on the workplace aspects and deflect the self-help aspects (which are off-topic).  We'll see how the community feels about that, I guess." CreationDate="2012-10-31T15:10:20.227" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1517" PostId="513" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - I am not a mod and this is just my opinion but...  When I find my answer needs to start with a line like *Advice about overcoming these traumas is out of scope for this site,* I just do not add an answer.  The site would be better served with a close vote for the question.  The OP and community are better served waiting for the question to be corrected before answering than jumping in with an answer that might end up obsolete with the edited question." CreationDate="2012-11-01T19:38:24.130" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1518" PostId="513" Score="1" Text="That said i can feel for the pain of the OP so have yet to cast a close vote on it myself.  I know this is not a good question for the site but there is a real person back there feeling real pain" CreationDate="2012-11-01T19:39:43.597" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1519" PostId="513" Score="1" Text="@Chad, I only put that there because serveral existing answers were going there and I wanted to differentiate.  Had the question come to me &quot;naked&quot; I would have skipped that part." CreationDate="2012-11-01T19:48:42.930" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1521" PostId="514" Score="4" Text="I don't think anyone is asking you to spill your guts out. That said I think expecting all answers focus on the workplace aspects of the question's premise should be obvious on a site call The Workplace. Every time you post an answer, you willingly expose yourself to criticism, and while I realize that downvotes sting, commentary like &quot;If you want this corner of SE to be relevant...&quot; is an overreaction to what essentially is nothing more than an integer on a database somewhere. You make an excellent point on the lack of comments and it's something we (the community) need to get better at." CreationDate="2012-11-01T21:25:12.730" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1522" PostId="514" Score="1" Text="I've posted a comment in your answer. I am not trying to compensate for the lack of feedback to you, this ship has already sailed and it would be a bit hypocritical to post a comment for that purpose now, I'm just explaining my downvote for everyone who happens upon your question in the future (I'm also not pretending that my comment is something more than my personal subjective opinion). Apologies for not posting the comment when I first read your answer." CreationDate="2012-11-01T21:40:12.133" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1523" PostId="514" Score="0" Text="I appreciate the feedback.  That was exactly the bulk of what I was interested, for the meta aspect.  As to the particular topic of discussion, as I mentioned, the concern, while posted to 'The Workplace' involved an effective answer that is actually outside of the workplace.  Eg, the problems OP was having isn't really something most workplaces are equipped to deal with in any measurable, meaningful way, and that is why my original post spoke at no lengths to that point.  In doing so, I saved any particular critique of other willing commentors; perhaps I shouldn't have." CreationDate="2012-11-01T21:53:43.680" UserId="612" />
  <row Id="1524" PostId="514" Score="0" Text="One other meta concern, that I wasn't explicit about is the practice in general of downvoting.  While it a technique used on other SE's, it is an operation typically used sparingly from what I have seen.  Here, it seems to be used liberally, which perhaps is the norm here; not just from my answer, but throughout the topic.  That is what essentially gave my concern for the practices of the site as a whole.  Normally, on other sites bad answers just sit and simmer, while the better answers boil.  On other sites, it takes a certain almost tasteless, objectional answer to be chilled by downvotes." CreationDate="2012-11-01T22:46:29.020" UserId="612" />
  <row Id="1525" PostId="514" Score="1" Text="The site you seem to be more active on, Programmers, is a site I'm _very_ familiar with (I'm a mod there), and from my perspective The Workplace is a lot less liberal with downvotes than Programmers (my upvote/downvote ratio is 1:1 here and 1:2 on Programmers, for example). We screwed up with your answer, my call for downvotes here on Meta obviously played a part, and the lack of feedback was stupid, but I don't think it's the norm for the site. However, if you've noticed a general trend of unexplained downvotes, it's something worth bringing up as a separate Meta discussion." CreationDate="2012-11-01T22:59:06.153" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1527" PostId="514" Score="0" Text="Yes, I am definately new to this area of SE, and I certainly recognize you from P.SE.  Thanks for your hard work, and dedication.  Seeya around." CreationDate="2012-11-01T23:28:05.213" UserId="612" />
  <row Id="1528" PostId="514" Score="0" Text="Hi @JustinC, keep in mind that, while we can't force people to comment on downvotes, I support the idea of encouraging people to explain. I say this as a precaution for how you word a meta discussion on downvoting, as encouragement and forceful explanation would be interpreted on opposite ends by the community. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2012-11-02T00:53:11.873" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1529" PostId="514" Score="0" Text="Certainly, every down vote doesnt call for explaination, especially if the vote is based on disagreement in principle with the premise or point of a message.  However, at same point it should follow with the guidance used to close or move a topic: expand, on why if ya want, but include a minimal reason for a down vote based on bad form.  Without an indication of bad form, it will be hard to correct, other than to scare people away." CreationDate="2012-11-02T01:12:12.543" UserId="612" />
  <row Id="1533" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="It bugs me, because it doesn't address the issue of the mythical &quot;we&quot; in the automated message. Perhaps you intended that as an object lesson on how a short answer has a hard time addressing a multifaceted question?" CreationDate="2012-11-02T22:37:28.763" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1536" PostId="515" Score="2" Text="Amy, if you want to change the rules, let's talk about changing the rules. You keep focusing on this &quot;we&quot; aspect, and the answer to that is &quot;whomever feels like participating in meta&quot;. Unfortunately, the large majority of users simply don't care enough to post on meta. Continuing to focus on who was involved in making the decision instead of talking about it constructively isn't helping. Right now, you're on meta, so you're one of the people who count, so make the best of it. ;)" CreationDate="2012-11-03T01:52:42.470" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1550" PostId="515" Score="0" Text="Didn't really mean it as a &quot;lesson&quot;.  Generally I don't try to resort to anything that subtle when answering any SE question.  But I'll admit, I skirted the &quot;we&quot;... I'll give it a crack, but it probably means elongating the question." CreationDate="2012-11-05T13:45:39.260" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1553" PostId="515" Score="1" Text="The &quot;we&quot; would apparently be the 4 people with answers supporting detailed answers, the several people (at least 9) who upvoted those answers, the people who flagged the initial answer in question, the people who downvoted the post in question, the moderator who applied the message (I don't *think* that was me) and the moderator who eventually deleted it after no improvements were made (me)...There seem to quite clearly be a plurality here, and that's just the people who bothered to participate in Meta or vote/flag the initial post" CreationDate="2012-11-05T22:49:18.953" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1537" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="I think it's interesting that people assume I'm complaining about having my answer down voted/removed. I couldn't care less, except as I think there are probably a significant number who downvote solely because of the message that comes up (a la the famous story of monkeys that all attack one that goes for the banana) without giving it the kind of thoughtful consideration you did. At the time I posted this question as a comment on &quot;Let's get critical&quot; the rep on that answer was actually positive, and I had no idea it was removed until you just told me..." CreationDate="2012-11-03T03:19:14.247" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1538" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="When I saw that message, it appeared about 1 second after the post, which means that _nobody_ had given the post thoughtful consideration. I was actually more concerned and genuinely curious that this message had been sent down by mysterious aliens based solely on the _length_ of the answer. You're actually the only person who has responded who has convinced me that, if you downvoted, you did it after actual consideration rather than as a knee-jerk reaction to knowing there's a &quot;rule&quot; answers can't be too short." CreationDate="2012-11-03T03:22:16.817" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1539" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="I've been on forums, mailing lists, etc. for long enough (over 10 years on technical topics and almost 20 if you want to count all topics) to know that just because everyone thinks your answer is right that doesn't make it right. So policies that encourage knee-jerk voting skew this even further." CreationDate="2012-11-03T03:27:57.580" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1540" PostId="516" Score="1" Text="As a FYI, Actionscript _is_ my area of expertise, and there are certain areas of it where I consider myself second to none, such as this type of problem (http://forums.adobe.com/message/4820050#4820050). I am just _enough_ of an expert to know that I don't know everything, and people like Rob Penner and Colin Moock might well know some operators that aren't documented. Operators are particularly hard to research, since often the name of it isn't obvious from looking at it if you're not familiar with it." CreationDate="2012-11-03T03:28:26.770" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1541" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="Hi Amy, I actually did think about this for a few days before posting; I wanted to approach your situation as objectively as I could. I'm glad you found it helpful. As an aside, different communities evaluate answers differently, as the topic can attract different audiences. For instance, I participate on [Project Management SE](http://pm.stackexchange.com), and that community insists on judging answers only by their merit. I've brought it up before, and people there convinced me to look at the answer as a whole, not simply by length. It's a great community, you should check it out!" CreationDate="2012-11-03T04:29:05.850" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1542" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="The difference between the Workplace and some other specialty niche topics is that Workplace has a rather broad audience. We define ourselves as experts merely by working and having a job. This means everyone and anyone can be an expert, so that might be why they felt the need to keep answers in check. It feels like the right choice for *this site* for that reason. On other sites where the topics are more specialized, you really can't give a good answer unless you're experienced in the subject matter or do a lot of research on the subject yourself." CreationDate="2012-11-03T04:34:05.240" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1543" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="[cont'd] - I can't really quantify that observation or back it up with any evidence, but it is interesting to note that there are major differences between different SE communities and their general vibe. This would make for an interesting discussion on the psychology site or a sociology site. ;)" CreationDate="2012-11-03T04:36:47.920" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1546" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="And at the heart of my question is &quot;Do we really want to create such a ruthless/mean-spirited vibe on a forum where people are often at their lowest when they post?&quot;" CreationDate="2012-11-03T13:27:06.430" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="1547" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="@AmyBlankenship - I think a better question is how can we guide people into being a bit nicer to people when they see something happening on the site that doesn't fit the community guidelines? One suggestion is to [Write them as if you're writing a note to your boss at a new job](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/141730/155826)." CreationDate="2012-11-03T21:55:09.237" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1548" PostId="516" Score="0" Text="Hi @AmyBlankenship, coincidentally, I just got an inbox notification from a post I made a year and a half ago on a Server Fault career question. The person just came back to let me know [the Helpdesk position was indeed a stepping stone to Systems Engineer](http://serverfault.com/a/224511/65253) and wanted to let me know that what I suggested worked. This contrast greatly to the near instantaneous feedback we normally get on Stack Overflow technical questions. Anyway, I thought you'd find it interesting as it relates to our conversation here. :)" CreationDate="2012-11-03T23:29:01.923" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1549" PostId="517" Score="2" Text="This is a good question. I had someone in an interview ask about my SE account and I was fairly hesitant to make this information available because I spend a fair bit of time here and am unsure I want to tie any of my questions, answers, or comments to me (especially anything asking about a negative work situation)." CreationDate="2012-11-05T13:19:28.767" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1552" PostId="517" Score="1" Text="related: [Can you add an ask anonymously feature for Stack Exchange sites like this and onstartups?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/395/168)" CreationDate="2012-11-05T16:14:29.643" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1555" PostId="517" Score="2" Text="Apostrophes are not decoration." CreationDate="2012-11-09T23:16:48.263" UserId="362" />
  <row Id="17346" PostId="517" Score="0" Text="Too bad I can't ask anonymous questions using my original account's SE facilities (edit, engage, create a bounty, etc). What I perceive as to be an issue at the workplace it might not be an issue, but if I post that publicly on SE others might interpret it wrong. I can get help from SE without affecting the company's reputation." CreationDate="2018-11-27T19:07:05.693" UserId="78271" />
  <row Id="1551" PostId="518" Score="2" Text="Also disassociation is always an option, if you no longer want a post associated with your account." CreationDate="2012-11-05T15:52:47.133" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1596" PostId="518" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos How do you disassociate a post with your account?" CreationDate="2012-11-15T02:18:45.060" UserId="3091" />
  <row Id="1597" PostId="518" Score="1" Text="@PeterOlson Flag the post for moderation attention and ask for disassociation. Moderators will then have to ask a SE employee to do it, they can't do it themselves, so it won't happen instantly (couple of days would be my guesstimate)." CreationDate="2012-11-15T02:24:29.660" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1554" PostId="519" Score="0" Text="Appears to be a safari only thing. The tags are pure CSS so they should (and do, on my PC) scale up/down extremely gracefully. I also don't see the extremely pixelated look you get either. Oddly I'm in chrome which should be using about the same rendering engine." CreationDate="2012-11-06T13:30:08.273" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1595" PostId="521" Score="0" Text="This is one of the main reasons I tend to not be quick with close votes unless I do not think the question is salvageable." CreationDate="2012-11-15T01:32:17.347" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1564" PostId="522" Score="2" Text="In addition, once the question has 100 views, close votes will start expiring at a rate of one per day unless another close vote is added, at which point the 4-day timer resets. So if you're concerned about it, just check back in a week or so to make sure the votes expired, and if they didn't and the question got closed, just vote to reopen." CreationDate="2012-11-13T16:49:24.373" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1556" PostId="523" Score="0" Text="questions like that are expected to be [quickly deleted automatically or by moderators](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/402/168 &quot;as suggested eg here&quot;) which will &quot;clear&quot; whatever downvotes are there. Meanwhile, community indicating that stuff like that is _much inappropriate_ at the site, could serve as a lesson for the asker" CreationDate="2012-11-12T08:51:21.193" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1557" PostId="523" Score="1" Text="From [this question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/476/2536) regarding question closing, I got this important piece &quot;however this is the very first question the OP asked on Stack Exchange ever. Let's be a bit more thoughtful and welcoming in the future please, it's not that hard to check a user's profile, see that they have absolutely no familiarity with the network and be a bit more careful&quot;. &quot;Serving a lesson&quot; for the OP in this case is uncalled for. At least he can look forward to getting his rep back." CreationDate="2012-11-12T09:04:45.097" UserId="2536" />
  <row Id="1558" PostId="523" Score="2" Text="well [SO profile for asker](http://stackoverflow.com/users/629239/undefined) says _member for 1 year, 8 months_. With 50 questions they asked at SO since almost 2 years ago, they hardly qualify for &quot;the very first question the OP asked on Stack Exchange ever&quot;" CreationDate="2012-11-12T09:31:41.753" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1559" PostId="523" Score="0" Text="well yeah :). Newbie to WP. Cut him some slack" CreationDate="2012-11-12T09:33:26.240" UserId="2536" />
  <row Id="1560" PostId="523" Score="0" Text="@gnat There's quick and then there's too quick; based on guidance from SE, even if I'm the one who casts the closing vote, I want at least a day to delete it (unless the community gives it 3 delete votes) so that the OP has the opportunity to see what happened and doesn't just pop on and say &quot;what happened to my question???&quot;. However, if lots of downvotes also happen, sometimes that doesn't outweigh the point of the guidance." CreationDate="2012-11-12T11:41:21.623" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1561" PostId="523" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni well for the question in question, [its timeline](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/6148/timeline) spans Nov 10-12. As far as I understand that means more than 24 full hours (well over &quot;full day&quot; if you wish). Also question comments indicate that OP acknowledged the clarification on question being off-topic &quot;yesterday&quot;. I am generally against mob voting, but given example honestly does not look like the case" CreationDate="2012-11-12T11:47:56.607" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1562" PostId="523" Score="1" Text="Just add a comment/reason with suggestion if you downvote a &quot;newbie&quot; question. ie &quot;Hey kolossus, this question will likely get downvoted because it does not meet the FAQ for the site - I suggest changing it to do XXXX instead&quot;   Granted this is a personal preference, so I can't FORCE people do to this, but this idea gets around your entire problem" CreationDate="2012-11-12T16:59:37.207" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1563" PostId="523" Score="0" Text="What @enderland said. Downvotes don't sting so much when you're at least talked to like you're a fallable human being. To err is human." CreationDate="2012-11-13T05:07:57.430" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1565" PostId="523" Score="1" Text="Personally I find it easier to try and lead by example instead of changing the system. I don't think I've ever downvoted a closed question, although I will fairly often find myself leaving comments explaining the probable cause of a downvoted question since most downvoters are too inconsiderate to leave a constructive comment when downvoting a new user's question on SE. I remember being a new user and not understanding the SE sites not that long ago, so I can relate to their experience. +1 to this question though, just for bringing it up the subject" CreationDate="2012-11-13T16:53:23.087" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1580" PostId="523" Score="0" Text="+1 for you to stand with a new user. This user might be a new one in _workplace_. but he is a member of _stack overflow_ for the last 1 year and 8 months. During this time, he asked 50 questions with upvotes also. So he could not be considered as a newbie in asking questions in stack exchange networks. he should be well aware of the fact that one should first read the faq's of the community before posting a question. I am not against the OP and i never even downvoted any post(just 3 at present).but still you have provided good suggestion to disallow downvoting on closed questions." CreationDate="2012-11-14T09:39:30.823" UserId="2598" />
  <row Id="1566" PostId="525" Score="5" Text="... so totally fun feature with no drawbacks? What's not to love about this?" CreationDate="2012-11-13T21:00:32.530" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1567" PostId="525" Score="4" Text="Of course we want hats, who doesn't! Those who decline are just being fun succubi and shouldn't be allowed to have hats anyways ;)" CreationDate="2012-11-13T21:11:50.873" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1568" PostId="525" Score="0" Text="I figured that would be the reaction, wanted to check :). Also I think there's a fun-succubi option to opt-out." CreationDate="2012-11-13T21:13:40.857" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1574" PostId="525" Score="0" Text="@Rarity yup, there's an &quot;i hate hats&quot; buttons in the design spec :)" CreationDate="2012-11-13T22:23:00.797" UserId="27" />
  <row Id="1577" PostId="525" Score="0" Text="Whoever thought of the &quot;top&quot; hat (in the middle) is a genius!" CreationDate="2012-11-14T03:47:03.653" UserId="128" />
  <row Id="1578" PostId="525" Score="1" Text="Hat-ers are gonna hate" CreationDate="2012-11-14T05:13:53.563" UserId="2536" />
  <row Id="1587" PostId="525" Score="0" Text="@animuson Ha, actually that's a dreidel hat, for Channukah last year! But that pun never occurred to me -- haha!" CreationDate="2012-11-14T17:09:59.203" UserId="27" />
  <row Id="1569" PostId="526" Score="12" Text="Was gonna vote on this, but I couldn't find the Meh arrow." CreationDate="2012-11-13T22:03:41.047" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="1570" PostId="526" Score="2" Text="@Shog9 Hm, do I smell a feature request? We could really use a Meh vote..." CreationDate="2012-11-13T22:06:58.083" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1571" PostId="526" Score="5" Text="@YannisRizos `[status-declined]` due to too much apathy." CreationDate="2012-11-13T22:17:08.377" UserId="27" />
  <row Id="1572" PostId="526" Score="1" Text="@Aarthi Meh...." CreationDate="2012-11-13T22:17:57.730" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1575" PostId="526" Score="5" Text="@Rarity You are just jealous you don't have a hat." CreationDate="2012-11-13T22:52:16.703" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1576" PostId="526" Score="0" Text="I want a &quot;meh&quot; vote too! I would vote maximum every day if there was one, hah." CreationDate="2012-11-14T02:08:13.137" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1579" PostId="526" Score="4" Text="lol, I guess I always thought that was like a halo above your head, not a hat." CreationDate="2012-11-14T06:51:53.627" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="13937" PostId="527" Score="0" Text="Of course the fashion designer horse would be the one suggesting more articles of clothing.  Conflict of interest? =P" CreationDate="2017-10-19T20:54:50.103" UserId="62397" />
  <row Id="1584" PostId="528" Score="10" Text="The Etiquette proposal is surely irrelevant. Would we close questions as off-topic because they would be covered by some mythical sister-site that may exist some time in the future? I'm not sure I can keep up with all the proposals on Area51." CreationDate="2012-11-14T16:48:16.303" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1600" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="@Chad: I wasn't suggesting that an absence of a home means that we should give it a home. I was suggesting that if it fits here, we shouldn't argue that maybe it'll be MORE on-topic on a site that doesn't exist yet." CreationDate="2012-11-15T14:47:53.800" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1602" PostId="528" Score="3" Text="@Chad: I know there is some disagreement. I'm just saying that the potential future existence of Etiquette is irrelevant to whether it's on-topic here. I voted to reopen when it was closed as off-topic, but I do agree with your argument that it's too-localised, so I left the debate and I'm not voting again. I am disappointed that Rarity decided to unilaterally make that decision though." CreationDate="2012-11-15T14:59:42.193" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1604" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="@Chad: I suspect it would be too-localised there as well. But that's not the point. Look at it this way: Would you throw all questions about Scrum off Project Management because this proposal was made in the last 24 hours? http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/47521/agile-development" CreationDate="2012-11-15T15:16:26.493" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1605" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="@pdr - No but scrum is squarely in project management focus.  Social events tangential to work(in that several people from your workplace received invitations to the same event but it is not an event for your workplace) are not squarely in the focus of the workplace." CreationDate="2012-11-15T15:22:25.097" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1606" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="@Chad: On that point there is disagreement, which has been commented on throughout this thread. The point is that the existence of an Etiquette proposal does not and should not affect either opinion, just like the existence of an Agile Development proposal would not affect a decision on whether Scrum was currently in the purview of Project Management." CreationDate="2012-11-15T15:36:45.980" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1607" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="@PDR - Instead of PM how about stack overflow... Scrum is tangental to SO" CreationDate="2012-11-15T15:38:47.873" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1608" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="@Chad: Agree, and likewise, the existence of Agile Development would not affect my opinion on that. You are entitled to your opinion that work-related social events are tangential to The Workplace. I am entitled to my opinion that they're not. I'm certainly not trying to convince you I'm right, I'm trying to say that the Etiquette proposal does not strengthen (or weaken) your case." CreationDate="2012-11-15T15:42:12.910" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1609" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="@PDR - I do not think it is an argument that it does not belong here because... it is the argument that it does belong there." CreationDate="2012-11-15T15:43:13.320" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1610" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="@Chad: Sorry, lost me." CreationDate="2012-11-15T15:52:28.907" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1613" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="@Chad: As a matter of interest, how exactly is this different from the dinner dress-code question, in terms of being off-or-on-topic (not in terms of being localised)? http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/6261/whats-the-etiquette-when-a-long-serving-employee-dies-during-your-internship The event is not a work event, though it is work-related, and the question would firmly fall into Etiquette, if Etiquette existed." CreationDate="2012-11-16T13:11:00.407" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1614" PostId="528" Score="0" Text="@pdr - Ask someone else...  I dont care" CreationDate="2012-11-16T14:21:46.357" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1589" PostId="529" Score="0" Text="This is about a social event unrelated to work.  We have to define scope and this is out of scope." CreationDate="2012-11-14T17:37:30.157" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1590" PostId="529" Score="0" Text="@Chad Would you close &quot;What is business-casual?&quot; as off-topic if it was asked because the OP was going to a social event that specified &quot;business-casual&quot; in the invitation? I wouldn't. If the only thing the OP has to do the question for you to think it's allowed is to specify &quot;work event&quot; instead of &quot;event&quot;, then I think you're focusing on the wrong part of the question." CreationDate="2012-11-14T17:43:23.070" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1591" PostId="529" Score="1" Text="@Chad for people working in an embassy this is probably a fairly legitimate &quot;workplace&quot; type issue." CreationDate="2012-11-14T18:36:16.727" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1593" PostId="529" Score="3" Text="I agree with this in theory, but I don't think this is actually relevant to the problem with this question, as I've noted in chat. Since this isn't a formally defined thing it's too localized whether dress codes are on topic or not." CreationDate="2012-11-14T19:19:08.260" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1594" PostId="529" Score="2" Text="Business casual is a workplace definition.  If the question was I have been invited to a social function with a business casual dress code is that the same as work place business casual then yes I would" CreationDate="2012-11-14T20:00:30.703" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1611" PostId="529" Score="0" Text="So, if the question was edited from something like &quot;informal meeting with Royal family&quot; to &quot;business-related meeting with Royal family&quot;, it would be on-topic? Note, the answers and the whole spirit of the question would not change any way. And further visitors who attend Royal events find it useful to themselves. Correct?" CreationDate="2012-11-16T03:27:46.877" UserId="2145" />
  <row Id="1632" PostId="529" Score="0" Text="I'd suggest if the invitation came about through the posters professional role, its a workplace issue.  If not, its a social one.  The OP is confused by the dress code, and is asking if this is like &quot;black tie&quot;, or &quot;formal&quot;, or perhaps a translation of a commonly used term in Belgium.   While it is localised as it refers to a specific event, answers could be structured to provide general advice for work related &quot;events&quot; with dress codes." CreationDate="2012-11-23T21:08:55.857" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="7354" PostId="529" Score="0" Text="@Rachel, Why is the question still closed?" CreationDate="2015-07-01T14:30:23.343" UserId="18555" />
  <row Id="7355" PostId="529" Score="0" Text="@Pacerier It got reopened, however upon further information from the OP it was decided such a question was too-localized and re-closed by a moderator. My answer here is a rather generic one addressing questions about dress codes, however as I said in my footnote at the end I do agree that this question is too-localized since it is about a made-up &quot;dress code&quot;, so am fine with it being closed." CreationDate="2015-07-01T14:54:37.250" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1581" PostId="530" Score="2" Text="That question is not asking what to wear though, it is asking what a specific dress code means. If it were asking what to wear to such an event, I agree it would be off-topic. But it's not. The event was only included to provide context for the question of what the &quot;Royal Touch&quot; dress code was. If anything I'd close it as too-localized as it is unlikely another user will have the same question, however its not off-topic." CreationDate="2012-11-14T16:25:45.853" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1582" PostId="530" Score="0" Text="If the question asked what &quot;black tie&quot; means, would your opinion be the same?" CreationDate="2012-11-14T16:30:02.287" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1583" PostId="530" Score="5" Text="It says right at the top of our FAQ: &quot;The Workplace - Stack Exchange is for members of the workforce navigating the professional setting.&quot; Social events, when related to work, can be some of the hardest parts of navigating a professional setting." CreationDate="2012-11-14T16:45:00.673" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="1585" PostId="530" Score="1" Text="Yes, it would be the same providing the question was something like &quot;What type of clothing is considered &quot;black tie&quot;?&quot; and not &quot;Why is this dress code called &quot;black tie&quot;?&quot;. When most people think of dress codes, they think of the workplace, so its reasonable to think you would ask the Workplace for information on what a dress code consists of. These questions likely useful to more than just the OP as well, as dress codes are a very prominent part of the Workplace. (I doubt we'd get such a question though since &quot;black tie&quot; is [easily found with Google](http://www.google.com/search?q=black+tie))" CreationDate="2012-11-14T16:56:14.337" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1586" PostId="530" Score="0" Text="Interesting -- most of the dress-code discussions I've heard have revolved around social occasions (like weddings), not the workplace.  A *subset* of dress-code questions apply to the workplace, but some of them still feel off-topic to me.  Shrug.  (But I agree with the comment that this particular question should instead be closed as too localized.)" CreationDate="2012-11-14T17:06:43.697" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1588" PostId="530" Score="3" Text="I agree this question is not about the workplace but how to dress at a social gathering outside of work.  If it is not off topic it is too localized because I doubt anyone is ever going to be invited to this party again." CreationDate="2012-11-14T17:18:30.413" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1592" PostId="530" Score="1" Text="Agree that it's too localized. I really don't think we need a question every time a secretary uses an awkward or cute phrasing which will never be seen again and does not have any proper definition." CreationDate="2012-11-14T19:18:35.907" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1598" PostId="531" Score="0" Text="Spreading the word is a big part of growing into those unrepresented areas. Unfortunately I'm not sure there's much the *community* can do other than act as *individuals* and recruit those people." CreationDate="2012-11-15T14:04:26.120" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1633" PostId="531" Score="0" Text="If you are actively involved in other active, professional online communities then cross posting discussions is a good way to drive traffic;  the LinkedIn groups are good in this regard.  I would see that this board has *huge* value for training/development for HR and management in providing an excellent source of material for discussions, reflection and analysis.  This won't drive questions from larger organisations, but as long as the tone of the site is supportive it will encourage others to post." CreationDate="2012-11-23T21:20:26.617" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1612" PostId="532" Score="0" Text="&quot;Only people doing to this specific event could benefit&quot; -- this is my biggest concern. Why people attending other Royal events wouldn't benefit?" CreationDate="2012-11-16T03:29:44.780" UserId="2145" />
  <row Id="1615" PostId="532" Score="1" Text="@bytebuster Does the answer actually help any of those people? Would those people even find the question, since &quot;royal touch&quot; isn't a defined term? Do we have anything to offer beyond &quot;royal people wear fancy stuff so wear fancy stuff&quot;? At best we offer common sense" CreationDate="2012-11-16T14:36:55.727" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1616" PostId="532" Score="2" Text="@bytebuster I definitely agree that questions about royal dress code should be on topic because it is a common issue if someone work around royal family or in diplomacy. This site should not close them and put into disadvantage these people just because there are not majority and do not work in &quot;typical&quot; office&quot;(!) However, I have to also agree with Rarity. Since there is no dress-code as &quot;royal touch&quot;, it will hardly help anyone else and it is to localize. I simply asked that question because I did not know. I presume there is nothing wrong with that." CreationDate="2012-11-17T17:09:58.787" UserId="4883" />
  <row Id="1617" PostId="533" Score="1" Text="My gut response is no, because to me that firmly sits in the &quot;How do I perform the job of a ...&quot; category of questions, but I think it depends on what you mean by &quot;customers&quot; (e.g. if you mean clients, then client relations stuff might be, while general customer service might not).  Can you provide more context?" CreationDate="2012-11-17T23:38:02.767" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1618" PostId="533" Score="0" Text="Closely related discussion here: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/102/42 seems to imply we're against it" CreationDate="2012-11-17T23:51:31.267" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1627" PostId="534" Score="2" Text="I agree with this; I hope the OP edits his question to provide more context to the situation he wants to ask about, so that we can discuss it &amp; provide more concrete guidance." CreationDate="2012-11-19T14:48:46.377" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1622" PostId="536" Score="2" Text="Related (on History.SE): [Asking Timely Questions - My Naval Question Explained](http://meta.history.stackexchange.com/questions/309/asking-timely-questions-my-naval-question-explained)" CreationDate="2012-11-19T00:59:36.313" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1623" PostId="536" Score="2" Text="@YannisRizos - Thanks for the link. I hope it's clear that, even if these ideas don't work for *this* particular question, that it at least gets people thinking about how current events + a real actual problem faced could be used strategically." CreationDate="2012-11-19T01:10:05.260" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1619" PostId="537" Score="1" Text="Hi, I don't want to restart our debate here again. ;) But I want to make sure people can see the relevant discussion from [this transcript](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6936887#6936887)." CreationDate="2012-11-18T23:14:22.650" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1626" PostId="538" Score="3" Text="Fair enough. Maybe this question is just one of those where this idea just won't work out, but I do think we should keep our eyes peeled for questions that are on-topic *and* that also are about current events. With the right mix of 1) the right question, 2) the right topic, and 3) a visionary asker or editor, such a question could be valuable." CreationDate="2012-11-19T03:54:24.023" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1628" PostId="538" Score="0" Text="Great points; the original question is sort of broad as it is, but the great comprehensive answer on the original sort of salvages it." CreationDate="2012-11-19T15:37:17.713" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1629" PostId="539" Score="1" Text="MSO is the only Meta with reputation." CreationDate="2012-11-21T02:05:37.060" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="13112" PostId="540" Score="0" Text="Notice that it says &quot;synchronized hourly&quot;... that is the reason why sometimes you see different reputation in the parent site and its meta (as happened to me now). Waiting some time will eventually sync the reputation and appear the same amounts." CreationDate="2017-07-25T18:59:31.340" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="1630" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="Jeans and loose collars are part of a dress code in some places. Just because we don't have to wear suits doesn't mean there isn't some kind of code involved. ;)" CreationDate="2012-11-23T03:05:06.607" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1631" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="In a business I wouldn't be caught being at minimum business casual. Jeans are not acceptable in any field except manual labor. Again, it's a generational thing." CreationDate="2012-11-23T12:20:00.057" UserId="2623" />
  <row Id="1639" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="Odd, you're a genX-er, I figured you'd be more pro-jeans. ;)" CreationDate="2012-11-26T02:52:57.777" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1640" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="I don't concider myself a genX-er. Or a baby boomer, I actually call my generation the lost generation. A generation where technology really wasn't there, or most of the things real genX-ers were born with technology in had, my generation didn't. Does this make sense?" CreationDate="2012-11-26T10:59:10.857" UserId="2623" />
  <row Id="1641" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="I'm 35, and I'm at the line where Generation X and Y meet. We were exposed to more technology than, let's say, the Gen Xers that are 48, 49, 50. Still, sometimes I feel a bit out of touch, as the Gen Yers seem to be more hip to the latest trends. ;)" CreationDate="2012-11-26T15:41:48.440" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1642" PostId="541" Score="0" Text="I'm 38, and until high school the most advanced tech we had was an Apple 2e." CreationDate="2012-11-27T00:40:15.780" UserId="2623" />
  <row Id="1634" PostId="542" Score="0" Text="I think it would be helpful to have a meta post covering [NSFW](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSFW &quot;what's this&quot;) stuff for WP. Or maybe there's already authoritative reference applicable to all SE network" CreationDate="2012-11-24T18:37:23.037" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1635" PostId="542" Score="1" Text="Here's a [Programmers Meta post about the topic](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/3619/moderation-for-nsfw-topics)" CreationDate="2012-11-24T19:47:46.270" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1636" PostId="542" Score="2" Text="@Rarity The question that sparked that Meta discussion was... less than stellar. Nothing terribly offensive about it, but nothing of value was lost when it was deleted." CreationDate="2012-11-24T20:35:07.740" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1637" PostId="543" Score="2" Text="I agree. To my mind, like everything here, a question involving a workplace that happened to be a film studio that creates porn (as an example), could be just as on topic, off topic, too localized, not constructive, perfectly worded, or a question best handled by a lawyer, entirely independent of the industry in which the work takes place." CreationDate="2012-11-24T22:31:07.563" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1675" PostId="543" Score="1" Text="&quot;we can't really dictate topicality based on personal sensitivities&quot; - I wish more people thought like you. Sadly, they don't." CreationDate="2012-12-04T17:56:29.293" UserId="2234" />
  <row Id="11946" PostId="543" Score="0" Text="&quot;Illegal&quot; is problematic as this is an international site..." CreationDate="2017-03-09T15:29:10.420" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="11947" PostId="543" Score="0" Text="@WeckarE. The site may cater to an international audience, however, it's run by a US company, US laws apply. For more details, see: http://stackexchange.com/legal" CreationDate="2017-03-09T15:37:50.427" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1638" PostId="545" Score="3" Text="I suggest reading and becoming familiar with - http://workplace.stackexchange.com/faq" CreationDate="2012-11-25T16:59:19.417" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1643" PostId="545" Score="0" Text="@enderland: Thanks, enderland. What specifically did you mean?" CreationDate="2012-11-27T06:28:15.603" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1647" PostId="548" Score="3" Text="Good job on your edits! It looks like you were able to convince the community to reopen. :) Welcome to Workplace SE!" CreationDate="2012-11-29T04:29:59.743" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1644" PostId="549" Score="0" Text="I've made the edit by asking more specifically on what do I mean by &quot;doing the right thing&quot;" CreationDate="2012-11-28T03:43:55.213" UserId="5134" />
  <row Id="1645" PostId="549" Score="0" Text="I actually think your post would benefit from *removing* some information that isn't necessary. Sometimes less is more; there's a lot to be said for conciseness. You could try that, or you could wait and see if anyone else has any constructive advice. Hope this helps. :)" CreationDate="2012-11-28T04:39:06.847" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1646" PostId="549" Score="1" Text="In that case, I think it's better if I just started a new question and left the old one remained closed as it is now." CreationDate="2012-11-28T08:33:25.243" UserId="5134" />
  <row Id="1648" PostId="551" Score="0" Text="Did you happen to notice whether your vote count (at the bottom of [this page](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/2317/greenmatt)) show 40 for the day?" CreationDate="2012-11-29T15:17:59.387" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1649" PostId="551" Score="0" Text="@Jim:  No, I didn't think to look there." CreationDate="2012-11-29T15:36:40.033" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="1650" PostId="551" Score="2" Text="Could be you maxed out your daily votes without actually hitting the required 40." CreationDate="2012-11-29T15:37:41.520" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1653" PostId="551" Score="0" Text="@Jim: Perhaps, but I was spreading my question votes throughout my voting.  If that's the case, I find the rules to this badge weird ... and frustrating!" CreationDate="2012-11-29T16:47:38.157" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="1665" PostId="552" Score="0" Text="That must have been it - really thought I had more than enough votes on questions in the first 30.  Anyway, I got the badge for another day's voting." CreationDate="2012-11-30T20:08:37.107" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="1651" PostId="553" Score="3" Text="Did you click every link in the sidebar (all the sections)? I think that's the main thing that counts actually." CreationDate="2012-11-29T16:33:09.657" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1654" PostId="553" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - it worked!" CreationDate="2012-11-29T17:58:18.400" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1655" PostId="553" Score="0" Text="Cheesy? You mean my [failed quest yesterday](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/551/wheres-my-vox-populi-badge) for the Vox Populi badge was cheesy? ;-)" CreationDate="2012-11-29T19:38:05.240" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="1660" PostId="553" Score="0" Text="I had the same problem and curiosity hah." CreationDate="2012-11-30T14:14:07.743" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1657" PostId="554" Score="0" Text="You've read the FAQ right? Probably a long time ago, and now that you've spent time working towards the honorable quest for the Analytical badge, you're most likely a bit more familiar with the different sections, especially since you succeeded! If you needed to, let's say, quote the promotion section of the faq, my bet is that you could probably find it a lot quicker than you could before. :)  Now, this isn't just information you've read, but a document that you're very familiar with should you need to find the information quickly! The point is, the badge works. :)" CreationDate="2012-11-30T06:06:17.843" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1658" PostId="555" Score="0" Text="Can you explain this error a bit more?" CreationDate="2012-11-30T14:02:40.063" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1659" PostId="555" Score="1" Text="@Jim it sounds like he posted a question, deleted it, then posted the same question verbatim under a different account but it gets flagged as duplicate" CreationDate="2012-11-30T14:12:44.957" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1661" PostId="555" Score="1" Text="@enderland You've nailed it." CreationDate="2012-11-30T15:39:47.570" UserId="2282" />
  <row Id="1664" PostId="555" Score="0" Text="related (not a duplicate): [Is it a better idea to post at the Workplace with a different account?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/517/168)" CreationDate="2012-11-30T19:30:42.850" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1662" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="The concern of curiousity is legitimate if by not knowing how companies do this means you could be disqualified from many positions. The reason for the question is irrelevant, it should be able to stand on its own ground if it is on topic and clearly answerable." CreationDate="2012-11-30T15:57:46.223" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1663" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="`seemingly impossible background checks` This is an interesting take and I understand what you mean by the &quot;theory&quot;.  In theory if you don't provide your password then they shouldn't be able to see private information in your social media accounts.  A legitimate concern however is if there is possibly some method for these background check companies to figure it out anyway, (Eg. demand that you Friend our background check company so that we can see what your other Friends see...)  Now we are entering into a perfect question for Skeptics as long as we can find the notable claim." CreationDate="2012-11-30T16:01:22.517" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1666" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="@maple_shaft &quot;Eg. demand that you Friend our background check company so that we can see what your other Friends see...&quot; means that they don't do it by some secret method, they just ask you to let them in..." CreationDate="2012-12-02T12:42:12.460" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="1669" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="@maple_shaft - Would anyone who was aware of some kind of &quot;back door&quot; screening service offered by Facebook or another social media platform really confirm it existed by posting on this site?  The value of such a service would only exist if it was concealed from the general public.  Similarly if a company routinely employed security experts to undertake social media hacking/phishing to gain access to private data on social media pages they are unlikely to expose this via stack exchange." CreationDate="2012-12-02T18:16:48.307" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1670" PostId="557" Score="0" Text="@GuyM Well the simplest explanation is the most likely one, and I am a firm believer that sinister plots become exponentially harder to keep secret the more people that are involved.  Also I believe that stupidity and ignorance is far more common than malice.  It is really hard to keep secrets in the internet age.  I strongly believe that this doesn't happen." CreationDate="2012-12-03T02:35:37.117" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="1667" PostId="559" Score="1" Text="The existing answers also sort of go past the question as asked...one is &quot;I don't think this really happens&quot; and one is &quot;Here's how I check up on people (and I don't do this)&quot;" CreationDate="2012-12-02T17:11:20.553" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1668" PostId="559" Score="1" Text="Even a problem statement (I'm worried that some things I have posted on social media may not put me in a good light when it comes to applying for a job;  can companies gain access to my profile and what shoudl I do?) would tend to result in some pretty short answers..." CreationDate="2012-12-02T17:44:55.683" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1674" PostId="560" Score="4" Text="[3/4 of my questions](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/48/yannis-rizos?tab=questions) are from the past (the personal hygiene one is about events that took place 6-7 years ago), and the community didn't seem to mind." CreationDate="2012-12-04T09:58:15.520" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1678" PostId="560" Score="1" Text="@YannisRizos:  Yes, but we don't know they're from the past! ;-)" CreationDate="2012-12-05T14:08:28.320" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="1679" PostId="560" Score="2" Text="Of course you do: [&quot;This isn't a current issue, as right now I'm mostly working from home and solely responsible for any odours. ;P&quot;](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/621/how-should-i-approach-a-co-worker-on-matters-of-personal-hygiene). Check out the rest of the question, I think I made it fairly obvious that it relates to past events." CreationDate="2012-12-05T14:10:39.173" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1685" PostId="560" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - I think it worked with your solution because it was I always let someone else deal with it.  As soon as you change that to I took direct action X to solve it then the question becomes invalid IMO" CreationDate="2012-12-06T15:51:04.247" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1686" PostId="560" Score="0" Text="@Chad Well, had I taken direct action X, the question would still be good, but I'd post direct action X as an answer to it." CreationDate="2012-12-06T15:54:01.267" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1687" PostId="560" Score="0" Text="@YannisRizos - And I think that would be acceptable.  Then we can constructively tell you why that was wrong in comments..." CreationDate="2012-12-06T15:55:40.080" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1671" PostId="561" Score="0" Text="My thinking/hope is that it would be okay, but the FAQ statement you quoted was part of what had me concerned.  Thus, I thought I would ask for community feedback." CreationDate="2012-12-03T16:15:42.307" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="1672" PostId="561" Score="0" Text="@GreenMatt keep in mind this is my opinion here, it's not necessarily something you should take as how *everyone* thinks (unless this gets way upvoted I guess)" CreationDate="2012-12-03T16:26:09.637" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1673" PostId="561" Score="0" Text="Depending on how the community's opinion goes on this question, we'll open a meta question for FAQ modification questions, to make it clear one way or another." CreationDate="2012-12-03T21:19:26.870" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1676" PostId="563" Score="11" Text="Thank you so much for everything you've shared in teaching NickC &amp; I the moderation ropes. It's been greatly appreciated." CreationDate="2012-12-05T02:52:32.943" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1677" PostId="563" Score="9" Text="btw I downvoted, I disagree with this." CreationDate="2012-12-05T03:52:26.233" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1680" PostId="563" Score="16" Text="A moderator consciously making the decision to resign when they feel it's not the right position for them anymore is somewhat a ...*sunglasses*... rarity. *YEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHH* (Thanks for all your hard work here. We'll go through the replacement motions here ASAP.)" CreationDate="2012-12-05T17:04:06.407" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="1681" PostId="563" Score="1" Text="Thanks for taking it on and all your work up till now!!" CreationDate="2012-12-05T21:25:45.923" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1682" PostId="563" Score="3" Text="So... not to be insensitive - cause Rarity's awesome and I'd rather he stayed - but what are the replacement motions?" CreationDate="2012-12-05T21:44:18.333" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1683" PostId="563" Score="4" Text="@bethlakshmi We basically do the same thing we do when we pick the initial set of pro tem moderators. We look at site activity, participation in community moderation, etc. Then we'll approach a few candidates and pick one to take Rarity's place. And by we in this case I mean me." CreationDate="2012-12-06T04:08:01.003" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="1684" PostId="563" Score="4" Text="@bethlakshmi More details on the process here: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/07/moderator-pro-tempore/" CreationDate="2012-12-06T04:12:16.570" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="1689" PostId="563" Score="7" Text="Where will I get my little pony moderation fix from now on?" CreationDate="2012-12-07T13:52:36.747" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="1690" PostId="563" Score="2" Text="@Oded [BoltClock](http://stackoverflow.com/users/106224/boltclock) can help you with that ;}" CreationDate="2012-12-07T15:14:27.067" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1697" PostId="563" Score="1" Text="@Anna Lear: Is jmort253 a candidate?" CreationDate="2012-12-11T01:27:40.660" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1698" PostId="563" Score="0" Text="@JimG. http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/248/moderators-pro-tempore-just-like-mamma-used-to-make-em" CreationDate="2012-12-11T01:32:27.573" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="14124" PostId="568" Score="0" Text="*especially early in their careers* 5 years later, we can still see a lot of question from young people as they don't know how to behave, most of them are closed as duplicate/( or unclear/off-topic) since they're being quite newcomers in the workplace in 5 years." CreationDate="2017-11-07T16:01:59.607" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="1704" PostId="572" Score="2" Text="I think 5 is a good backlog to start with, I'll even commit to wrting 2 of them. And yes I would like to see more than two contributors. I thnk we shouls shoot for the end of January. I'm off the week between Christmas and New years which is actually a good time to write up some bolg entries." CreationDate="2012-12-18T15:42:49.940" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="1706" PostId="572" Score="2" Text="I can definitely commit to writing 2-3 articles for the backlog.  I admit I'm a tad worried about sustaining 2 articles a month - I feel sure I could do 1 a month, 2 may be doable, but I'd prefer to make sure I scale small." CreationDate="2012-12-18T18:14:40.533" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1709" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="@bethlakshmi - Maybe we should start with once per month in terms of the schedule? It's predictable, and just frequent enough to be regular, but not so infrequent to where we burn anyone out." CreationDate="2012-12-19T02:35:55.767" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1711" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="@HLGEM - If you, or beth, know of anyone who would be interested in contributing as well, that would be awesome. I'll put something in my user profile to help promote this idea. Also, if Feb 1st is a reasonable goal date to approach SE with the 5 articles and X number of contributors, and no one objects, then I'll update this post with that info. Do you think 4 people is a good number for contributors?" CreationDate="2012-12-19T02:43:38.510" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1712" PostId="572" Score="1" Text="**In the meantime, let's shoot for the 5 articles by Feb 1st. Thank you for volunteering!** This is an awesome goal! We can work out the other details later now that we have a rough idea in mind. :)" CreationDate="2012-12-19T03:13:55.680" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1714" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="Should we set up a Trello room or find some other place to figure out topics for the article stock pile?  I love the idea of non-constructive questions, but might also want to try my hand at a meta-answer to trends I see in questions or other related topics." CreationDate="2012-12-19T15:46:29.547" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1715" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="Hi @bethlakshmi, can you use a CW meta post for managing some ideas to start? Making a public Meta CW could actually be a cool way to promote the fact that you're doing this. ;)  I was also thinking a Google doc would be fine for the actual writing, for the first 5 articles. It's really up to you and whatever you're comfortable with. In the meantime, let me see what SE can do in terms of getting some things setup now." CreationDate="2012-12-20T07:13:50.097" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1716" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="[Workplace SE Blog Chat Room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/6800/the-blogging-from-9-to-5-room). If you create a meta post for ideas, just flag it and one of us can convert it to CW. Or you can wait and see if we get Trello. Do whatever you feel will help keep your momentum going strong! And let me know if there is anything that I can do to help! :)" CreationDate="2012-12-20T08:03:04.753" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1803" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="I am willing to help with this. Primarily editing posts at this point as my availability is going to be super inconsistent for the next few months (so committing to writing is... difficult right now). Plus, I enjoy proof reading things a fair bit (no idea why but I do) and this might be a good way I can help contribute" CreationDate="2013-01-07T23:10:15.763" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1854" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 : I love writing blogs and technical stuff. I would love to write content or even some matter for the articles. I'll be waiting for hearing, if we'll be supposed to work in a team or we've to work individually when writing blogs." CreationDate="2013-01-14T13:43:49.447" UserId="2598" />
  <row Id="1855" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="Hi @SahilMahajanMj, that's great to hear. Check out the [Workplace Blog Trello board](http://trello.com/board/workplace-blog-board/50d3d6e1ee09bc0015001173) and see if there are any suggested topics you're interested in. You may also want to drop into the [Workplace Blog Chat Room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/6800/the-blogging-from-9-to-5-room) and introduce yourself. If there are no ideas submitted that you'd be interested in, check the scope [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/487/98) and [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/597/98) and ..." CreationDate="2013-01-14T14:49:29.797" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1856" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="[here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/573/98). This is all still very new to us and I don't believe we have a solid plan yet, so just check in w/us in the blog room and let us know what ideas you've come up with. Hope this helps + thank you for volunteering! :)" CreationDate="2013-01-14T14:51:44.447" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2164" PostId="572" Score="0" Text="I would be willing to join in on this, im on WP daily and whilst i may not have rep to rival that of HGLEM and Beth i do have a lot of free time on my hands, i would be willing to commit" CreationDate="2013-03-05T14:14:36.170" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="1701" PostId="573" Score="0" Text="Yannis, this is awesome! Thank you! And thanks for vocalizing what I was thinking but didn't know how to say exactly. I don't plan to manage the blog, and I'm hoping Beth and HLGEM will volunteer as Blog Overlords. ;)  I'm not yet sure if I'd be a contributor as I have my hands full as it is. ;)" CreationDate="2012-12-18T04:14:08.403" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1705" PostId="573" Score="1" Text="I love the idea about writing on some of the closed questions." CreationDate="2012-12-18T15:46:01.287" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="1707" PostId="573" Score="1" Text="This all makes a lot of sense - especially the idea of write first, set schedule later.  Also, I like the idea of having more than 2 authors - the risk of decreasing the writing team by 50% if one author gets too busy is too high for sustainability.  I'm willing to try being a Blog Overlord, but I'll also admit that I'm on in spurts - it's unlikely I'll be on every day or surfing constantly, so if the job requires more vigilance, we should get more backup." CreationDate="2012-12-18T18:23:03.497" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1708" PostId="573" Score="2" Text="@bethlakshmi You won't have to check the blog every day, my guesstimate would be about once or twice a week. Managing the blog can be a bit time consuming early on, when you'd have to setup access for early contributors, but once the initial enthusiasm dies down and you get a hang of Trello and Wordpress, it's a breeze." CreationDate="2012-12-18T18:31:24.830" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1717" PostId="573" Score="0" Text="Oooh - hadn't thought of the closed questions option. We stall sometimes (so our Question of the week is sometimes Question of the Fortnight, or occasionally it has been Question of the Month) so extra material is good." CreationDate="2012-12-20T16:02:11.350" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="1720" PostId="574" Score="2" Text="As a start, the tag excerpt says &quot;Questions with this tag should be specific to the Software Industry, or to workplace elements commonly associated with said industry.&quot; feel free to remove it from any questions where that doesn't apply" CreationDate="2012-12-21T13:31:53.787" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1718" PostId="575" Score="1" Text="To me the key issue is whether we'd get better *answers* if we didn't have industy specific tagging, and of course whether that would make it easir to edit questions to make them as broadly applicable as possible. Its probably one of those &quot;hard to find out without trying it&quot; deals." CreationDate="2012-12-21T03:48:18.890" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1719" PostId="575" Score="1" Text="Hi @GuyM, This should be an easy experiment for software industry. If you see the tag and are first to see the question, just remove it, and we can add it back later if needed. If it seems promising, then maybe we talk about removing the tag, if it causes confusion, then we can go from there. ;)" CreationDate="2012-12-21T03:54:00.747" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1721" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="I think this is a great idea;  many of the issues I have seen tagged with &quot;sofware industry&quot; are issues associated with &quot;software development&quot;, for example.  The &quot;software industry&quot; as a whole covers a huge range of job title and roles - I'd guess most companies have maybe 40-50% of their staff engaged in non-development tasks." CreationDate="2012-12-21T22:20:01.833" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1723" PostId="576" Score="1" Text="Maybe health-wise, they may be similar, but I don't think accountants work in the same environments developers do. You don't typically see accountants in startup-type environments with bicycles hanging on the walls wearing tshirts and hoodies to work. Maybe an accountant can weight in as my interpretation is not based on experience. I've never been an accountant. So, sure, both have desks and computers, but the management and office culture may be vastly different. Again, anyone w/accounting experience, please weigh in if I'm out to lunch. ;)" CreationDate="2012-12-22T04:04:29.487" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1728" PostId="576" Score="4" Text="@Jmort253 - I'd suggest the &quot;hip start-up&quot; is a good tag, as is &quot;corporate&quot;, and probably &quot;family-run business&quot;, were these are relevent to the question. There probably are hip-start-up accountants that wear hoodies..." CreationDate="2012-12-22T04:40:02.663" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1729" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="@GuyM - And in the context of making answers applicable to the question, such tags might fit better and also open up to a wider audience. The other issue this brings to light is should question askers describe their work environment in their question?" CreationDate="2012-12-22T04:41:46.443" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1730" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - the environment often seems relevant to the answer (or indeed part of the problem, in many cases...)" CreationDate="2012-12-22T04:46:22.553" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1731" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="@GuyM, and there are definitely people in the software industry who wear business dress and would never ever see a bicycle in the office." CreationDate="2012-12-22T22:55:00.657" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1733" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - That's at the heart of what troubled me with &quot;software industry&quot; as a tag;  the only commonality may well be job functions, and that gets pretty specific.  Plus not everyone in the &quot;software industry&quot; is a developer..." CreationDate="2012-12-22T23:08:15.273" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="6281" PostId="576" Score="0" Text="I think this is one of the only answers I've seen from you Monica that I disagree with and have to mark down. I find the industry-specific tags very relevant and useful for categorizing questions, and they provide good context for the question itself. I would not like to see these tags go away, although I do agree that some questions could be better off with job type tags like &quot;desk-job&quot; or &quot;physical labor&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-08T18:52:29.233" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1722" PostId="577" Score="2" Text="I actually suspect that &quot;industry&quot; tags might too broad to help narrow down a search because the depth/bredth of roles in that industry.  &quot;Oil and Gas&quot; industry is a good example, where it covers everything from being on a rig drilling to running the store attached to a petrol (gas) station;  even using the &quot;upstream&quot; and &quot;downsteam&quot; split woudln't help much.  &quot;Field-work&quot; or &quot;retail&quot; tags would be more useful.  In browsing around, the Christian.se was having similar problems with the &quot;God&quot; and &quot;Jesus&quot; tags, as you might expect...." CreationDate="2012-12-21T22:26:24.420" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1724" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@GuyM - This is a tough one because even in the oil and gas industry, the type of conditions I work in may be much different than a software dev in a hip startup. I've not worked in oil and gas, but I picture those environments being very strict, with multiple layers of management and lots of rules and regulations. For instance, I work in what we call a business incubator. We focus on implementing new ideas to expand into other areas with new, innovative products. As a result, the environment is very open, unrestricted, and unregulated, which may be different than a secure data warehouse." CreationDate="2012-12-22T04:12:21.067" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1725" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="With that said, I don't think we need to get rid of one tag group in favor of another tag group, as we can add up to 5 tags. However, I'm not against Guy's experiment of letting a few questions go without tags until they're answered, just to see how the answers do. :)" CreationDate="2012-12-22T04:14:14.453" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1726" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - I suspect a most industries are the same, with a significant level of segmentation (to coin a marketing term) that is actually important when describing the culture.  There are &quot;hip start-ups&quot; in O+G, believe it or not, as well as large corporates." CreationDate="2012-12-22T04:36:59.420" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1727" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@GuyM - Makes sense. I guess when I think oil/gas I picture BP or Shell or something really ultra-corporate..." CreationDate="2012-12-22T04:38:21.387" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1732" PostId="577" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - The feeling I get is that firms like IBM and HP are similar to Shell;  and fo course all of the them will employ a lot of software developers." CreationDate="2012-12-22T23:04:09.470" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1735" PostId="578" Score="3" Text="I think that, to some degree, if the question is written well, the differences are revealed in the question itself.  Then, all users are able to accurately judge a good answer or not.  I don't think *any* question should assume that others can fill in the gaps simply by identifying the question as pertaining to one culture or another." CreationDate="2012-12-23T22:26:07.563" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1736" PostId="578" Score="1" Text="Who will be the arbiter of whether or not an answer is culturally relevant?" CreationDate="2012-12-24T02:25:55.887" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1734" PostId="580" Score="4" Text="Maybe a start would be making sure that, when we exercise the back it up rule, that we explain what culture our perspectives come from. This is something that the answerers can do, as well as something the askers can include." CreationDate="2012-12-23T22:20:42.297" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1737" PostId="582" Score="0" Text="While I agree in theory that localized questions can be generalized, I don't really like the idea of the infinite possible questions where &quot;We don't know, we can't know, ask someone where you work&quot; is the only real answer. See also [this answer on the topic of another &quot;you have to ask&quot; question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/532/42)" CreationDate="2012-12-25T17:21:59.137" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1738" PostId="582" Score="0" Text="@rarity - Ah, but the thing is, there's much more substance here than merely &quot;just ask&quot;. I've taught the op how to fish.....  Of course, if there was nothing to teach, if the full answer was indeed &quot;just ask&quot; with nothing added, then too localized would be very applicable." CreationDate="2012-12-25T19:10:41.623" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1739" PostId="583" Score="4" Text="I like the &quot;needs legal advice&quot; as a closed option, as well as the logic behind it." CreationDate="2012-12-26T19:32:22.527" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1740" PostId="583" Score="0" Text="Thanks for this detailed summary. This does indeed help clear up what we should and shouldn't accept.  I also like the close reason idea. I'll mention to SE, but I'm wondering if we can solve the same problem with a not constructive close reason and putting the &quot;legal&quot; tag on it, a tag only to be used on closed questions? Is that a bad idea or would that be helpful?" CreationDate="2012-12-26T20:23:02.767" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1741" PostId="583" Score="1" Text="I'd be concerned that if we have a &quot;legal&quot; tag, we'd raise the incorrect impression that &quot;legal&quot; is a category that's good for the workplace - I've always interpreted the tags to mean subject areas worth browsing, not subject areas worth avoiding.  If that's not true, then it makes sense." CreationDate="2012-12-26T21:10:18.253" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1747" PostId="583" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I think one of the advantages of having a &quot;Needs legal advice&quot; close reason is anyone asking a question will know **exactly** why their question got closed, rather than wondering about it (tags are NOT necessarily as clear to users not very familiar with SE)." CreationDate="2012-12-28T19:47:26.097" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1748" PostId="583" Score="2" Text="After thinking about this and discussing with the other moderators, @enderland and Beth, it hit me that leaving a comment is the best way to explain why a question got closed. In short, we don't need a new tag, and we don't need a custom close reason. Not only should we leave comments on closed legal questions, but we should also explain why *any* question was closed. These comments should also explain how to edit and fix the post, and we can tailor these comments to any situation. On a beta site, leaving guiding comments is the best way to help a so-so user become a great user. :)" CreationDate="2012-12-28T20:19:20.730" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1756" PostId="583" Score="0" Text="Sounds fine to me...  my only thought was that I don't know how searchable comments would be if we ever wanted to consider a trend or anything..." CreationDate="2012-12-28T22:41:17.747" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1742" PostId="585" Score="0" Text="Its inevitable that people will view answers and questions with a &quot;cultural perception filter&quot; and act accordingly, especially when it comes to areas of fair and equal treatment.  There can also be a big gap between &quot;how we think the world should be&quot; and &quot;how the world is&quot; both within our own culutral background and those of others.  In some areas I suspect we will have community based diversity not consensus." CreationDate="2012-12-26T23:24:39.810" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1743" PostId="585" Score="1" Text="I really like this approach because it's more inclusive than exclusive, and it doesn't force us to draw imaginary lines in the sand that may prevent the best answer from manifesting. If there are doubts, we should use comments to seek clarification or improve the post." CreationDate="2012-12-27T04:38:46.813" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1744" PostId="585" Score="1" Text="I agree with the last statement (about up-voting culturally aware answers) but I do not believe for a moment the entirety of the voting patterns here will follow that unfortunately..." CreationDate="2012-12-27T16:10:57.457" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1745" PostId="585" Score="0" Text="Yeah... but then we can't create culturally sensitive users... try to program them as we might. :)" CreationDate="2012-12-27T16:44:14.797" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1746" PostId="585" Score="0" Text="@bethlakshmi - I'm probably not going to upvote a culturally sensitive answer if that culture and the response doesn't fit in with my ethical framework.  Some workplace issues from some cultures are more challenging in that regard, particularly when it comes to areas like health/safety, bribery, discrimination, harrasement and &quot;ethical supply chain&quot; issues.  I've encounted all of these as being &quot;culturally normal&quot; in different places in my career, in &quot;Western&quot; countries as well as &quot;non-Western&quot;." CreationDate="2012-12-27T19:57:23.263" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1765" PostId="586" Score="3" Text="I think we need to make a clear distinction between chronic conditions and short-term illnesses (&quot;I need a 2 hour lunch break every day to visit my doctor across the street&quot; vs &quot;I have the flu this week&quot;)." CreationDate="2012-12-30T15:45:43.203" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1789" PostId="586" Score="0" Text="Either way - EEO would cover all of these, most likely." CreationDate="2013-01-03T08:16:11.610" UserId="1537" />
  <row Id="1749" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="Is `accommodations` universally known to be how to describe this though? I agree now, but, may not have initially thought of it (obviously I didn't or I would have added it to my question)? I guess we could always just retag questions?" CreationDate="2012-12-28T20:22:15.710" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1750" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="I like it! :)  Great suggestion." CreationDate="2012-12-28T20:22:16.857" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1751" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="@enderland, my thought is we'd start by retagging, and if it becomes clear people are trying to use other related tags instead, then we can address that issue either by changing the name of the tag or creating a synonym. But for now, accomodations seems like the most widely applicable, IMHO." CreationDate="2012-12-28T20:23:50.167" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1752" PostId="587" Score="1" Text="@enderland In the US at least, I would say that yes, &quot;accommodation&quot; is a very familiar term to anyone in management or HR or education, and to anyone having a diagnosed condition which would benefit from accommodation." CreationDate="2012-12-28T20:34:33.617" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1753" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="I've always considered `&quot;accommodations&quot;` to be a place to temporarily stay, like a hotel or someone else's house. [Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accommodation) defines it like this as well. I've never heard this word used in the way you're using it before - it seems strange to me. Perhaps we could think of a better word? I think Programmers.SE uses `&quot;health&quot;` :)" CreationDate="2012-12-28T20:50:37.513" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1754" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="I would encourage anyone who hasn't been involved in management or HR or education to search &quot;ADA accommodations&quot; or &quot;workplace accommodations&quot; or &quot;education accommodations&quot; or, specifically, &quot;HR request for reasonable accommodation&quot; to see that the term is very commonly used in this manner." CreationDate="2012-12-28T21:28:19.283" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1759" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="@Rachel, how about &quot;workplace-accommodations&quot; or &quot;health-accommodations&quot;?" CreationDate="2012-12-29T01:26:09.787" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1762" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 If &quot;accomodations&quot; is common terminology in the workplace, I'd use that, otherwise I'd use something like &quot;health-accommodations&quot; since it will come up in the dropdown anytime someone types &quot;health&quot; as a tag" CreationDate="2012-12-29T13:02:17.173" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1763" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="@Rachel, while that's the more common use of &quot;accommodation&quot; in general, in a *workplace* context how likely are we to be talking about lodging?  Sure, it could come up in talking about relocation, but I hope we have a &quot;relocation&quot; tag for that.  Whatever we do, a decent tag wiki will be essential." CreationDate="2012-12-30T02:34:31.420" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1764" PostId="587" Score="2" Text="Several people have talked about &quot;accommodation&quot; being understood in this way in the US, but what about elsewhere?" CreationDate="2012-12-30T02:35:18.393" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1780" PostId="587" Score="0" Text="I went and tagged [our first one](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/7358/is-it-worth-to-tell-my-manager-about-my-learning-inability-which-is-part-of-gene) as I think it's relevant; should we set up any synonyms (see bethlakshmi's answer)" CreationDate="2013-01-02T14:24:46.667" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1755" PostId="588" Score="1" Text="I would agree this is a different category from matters of accommodation, that does warrant its own tag." CreationDate="2012-12-28T21:29:29.917" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1757" PostId="590" Score="0" Text="As a minor point, people with diagnosed conditions for which accommodations are warranted are very likely to know the term, because they likely have completed an accommodation request at their work or school. Universities often have an Office of Learning Accommodations or Office of Disability Accommodations, and so on. It is likely unfamiliar to people who don't have a diagnosed disability (including those who should have such a diagnosis but haven't been to a doctor/know the possibilities) and have not had a coworker, employee, or student who needed accommodations." CreationDate="2012-12-28T23:12:56.947" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1758" PostId="590" Score="1" Text="I do like Wellness, for a completely different kind of question, like how to stay, uh, well when you work in a basement office with no natural light. Or something like that." CreationDate="2012-12-28T23:14:04.090" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1760" PostId="590" Score="0" Text="The other point to mention is that items in the health category still may require some form of accommodations. For instance, if you like to take afternoon walks, but you're required to be in the office during that time for meetings, then accommodations may need to be made to move the meetings or give you time to take the walks. Or in my case, I like to spend about 20 minutes stretching and doing back exercises during lunch, so I needed a quiet space to do this. I don't have a medical condition that requires this; I just want to stay young. ;)" CreationDate="2012-12-29T01:32:24.250" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1761" PostId="590" Score="2" Text="My solution is to just use the hallways in the basement, since no one rarely goes down there. My point is that accommodations can be both legally required or just things that may make you more or less likely to take a position..... Maybe the solution is that all of these tags are valid?" CreationDate="2012-12-29T01:34:02.910" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1766" PostId="590" Score="1" Text="For completeness, I'd suggest a 4th covering illness (missing a short period of work for an illness)" CreationDate="2012-12-31T04:20:20.147" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1767" PostId="590" Score="0" Text="@Jim I agree, I've seen a few questions about how to handle situations involving short-term sickness, like a common cold. Perhaps something like `[sick]` or `[sick-days]`" CreationDate="2012-12-31T13:49:51.640" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1779" PostId="590" Score="0" Text="IMO your main objection to accommodations can be handled with one or more synonyms, &quot;disability&quot; would be a good start to synonymize" CreationDate="2013-01-02T14:24:23.827" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1784" PostId="590" Score="1" Text="My main concern is the general point &quot;accomodation&quot; is a fix for a disability or other health-concern.  I'm not convinced that every question related to disabilities or health concerns will necessarily involve accomodations." CreationDate="2013-01-02T17:45:08.997" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1769" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="My gut, and a quick glance at the resume tag, says the opposite about closures in this area...i understand the impulse behind your question, but can you point to a few of the closed questions that prompted this question? I'd like to address specifics where possible. Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-01-01T20:30:32.103" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1772" PostId="592" Score="2" Text="Hi enderland, [your post on the main site](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/7355/98) looks like it could serve as a nice example of a good resume question, and I believe it will be helpful, but I'm not sure it's a good idea to blindly close all resume questions as a dup of it. We should definitely try to encourage all askers to tailor their question, show how it differs from yours, and ensure it's something that can be answered with facts, references, and specific expertise. In short, there are many great questions out there that just need the help of skilled editors." CreationDate="2013-01-01T22:22:15.787" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1781" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I agree that question is good (otherwise I was dumb to post it hah) but it's also not really about &quot;how to write a resume&quot; or &quot;this is what I want to do on a resume, good?&quot; like a lot of closed questions" CreationDate="2013-01-02T14:47:05.107" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1782" PostId="592" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni I added some questions I think a general &quot;resume writing tips&quot; answer would be good for." CreationDate="2013-01-02T14:49:39.137" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1770" PostId="593" Score="3" Text="I'm not in favor of a &quot;canonical resume&quot; post because it's a very broad topic. I mean, I used to teach semester-long classes in which a good 9 of the 15 weeks were about resumes.  I think we have a lot of good resume-related questions about presentation, wording, etc that *have not* been closed, and that it's not difficult to weed out bad, OT questions from good questions that might need some editing help." CreationDate="2013-01-01T21:02:49.527" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1771" PostId="593" Score="2" Text="@jcmeloni - That's precisely where I was heading. The canonical posts tend to drain from the available pool of great, on-topic questions by trying to answer hundreds of potential Q&amp;A pieces in a single post. It can be a good tool when it's necessary to stifle growth, but unlike Stack Overflow, we have the opposite problem; we want to *encourage* growth. :)" CreationDate="2013-01-01T22:18:30.777" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1783" PostId="593" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 well except we currently are **closing** the questions which you refer to a `pool of great, on topic questions` ;)" CreationDate="2013-01-02T14:51:16.347" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1785" PostId="593" Score="0" Text="@enderland - We should go through those and see if there's any that could -- or could have -- been saved." CreationDate="2013-01-02T18:38:41.753" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1790" PostId="593" Score="0" Text="Sure would bea good blog topic though." CreationDate="2013-01-03T18:52:20.683" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="1773" PostId="594" Score="1" Text="Hi GuyM, I actually lean the other direction on these. &quot;What makes a bad resume, why?&quot; is really *really* broad. I personally think we close too many questions as too localized that aren't really too localized, and this makes us lean more towards questions that are too broad and not about a real, actual problem we're facing. Still, your examples highlight that there *are* in fact good questions out there about resumes waiting to be asked. They just need to be asked in that sweet spot zone between too broad and too localized." CreationDate="2013-01-01T22:53:32.257" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1774" PostId="594" Score="0" Text="To some extent, it's good to have some localization in a post, as good questions are about real problems someone is facing. The problem should just still be something that others may face as well, but not to the extent that every single human being on the planet and his/her dog also faces it. :D" CreationDate="2013-01-01T22:56:30.087" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1775" PostId="594" Score="0" Text="Sure - so what is the real workplace problem in this case? If it is &quot;getting to interview&quot; or &quot;getting a job&quot; then already the question has narrowed down to a single facet of that, which unless it was based on non-specific, negative feedback (we didn't shortlist you because of your resume) is making a big assumption about the selection criteria." CreationDate="2013-01-01T23:39:11.177" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1776" PostId="594" Score="0" Text="And - what level of granularity do you want to have?  US/ US software companies/US software start-ups/US software start-ups via a recruitment agent/Californian software start-ups via a recruitment agent?  It's almost like we need to have localisation &quot;tiers&quot; that set how broad/narrow things need to be." CreationDate="2013-01-01T23:52:47.650" UserId="4756" />
  <row Id="1777" PostId="594" Score="0" Text="I've heard some of the community coordinators describe too localized as a very narrow situation, so narrow that even having a second person have the same problem is so unlikely, that the post wouldn't be useful to future visitors. Too localized has always been the close reason that I've personally struggled with the most, and I'm not sure that we're using it correctly on the Workplace. Perhaps that can be another question itself. :)  Maybe we are, maybe we aren't... I'm not 100% sure." CreationDate="2013-01-02T01:32:07.063" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1778" PostId="594" Score="0" Text="To answer your question, I'm not sure we can really know what criteria to use on resume questions until we have some examples to look at." CreationDate="2013-01-02T01:32:52.007" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1786" PostId="596" Score="2" Text="I like this - sounds like a good blog post, too! (hint, hint!) and it dodges my concern that whole books are written on &quot;how to write a good resume&quot;, so I worry that if we were to write that answer, we'd end up with something so generic that people would still be asking resume questions anyway." CreationDate="2013-01-02T20:45:38.380" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1787" PostId="596" Score="0" Text="@bethlakshmi lol if you're hinting you want me to write a blog post um.... no. I hate writing :) But you're right, it would make a good blog post but I'd still want a meta post as well so users seeking answers could find it easily, as usually they'll think to search meta but won't think to search the blog." CreationDate="2013-01-02T21:06:09.483" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1788" PostId="596" Score="2" Text="Good point. :)  about the meta.  Fair enough if you like writing, I'm mostly hoping that a few others will get inspired to join the writing team. :)" CreationDate="2013-01-02T21:27:49.857" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="1804" PostId="596" Score="0" Text="I'm going to accept this because I think this is the best solution to the problem" CreationDate="2013-01-08T15:28:15.283" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1791" PostId="597" Score="0" Text="Hi HLGEM! That's great to hear. :)  I went ahead and added the 3 ideas you mentioned to the [Trello Board](https://trello.com/board/workplace-blog-board/50d3d6e1ee09bc0015001173). Would you mind dragging any that you're working on to the &quot;Being Written&quot; column?" CreationDate="2013-01-04T04:33:09.033" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1794" PostId="599" Score="0" Text="As jcmeloni says, resume critique really isn't a workplace problem; however, you may find some helpful information here on this post: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/7355/to-what-extent-do-attributes-making-a-resume-good-generalize-across-industries" CreationDate="2013-01-05T02:27:17.307" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1798" PostId="599" Score="0" Text="It's perfectly fine to ask questions in our [chat room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler) though, but we don't guarantee any answers :) And it would be better if you had specific questions, and didn't copy/paste your whole resume there." CreationDate="2013-01-06T18:33:08.987" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1841" PostId="599" Score="0" Text="It's really better to ask about resumes on a as-needed basis, and make questions applicable to more than just you. &quot;How do I find / approach people who will give me useful advice on a resume&quot; is a good Q, for example..." CreationDate="2013-01-11T22:49:06.353" UserId="5086" />
  <row Id="1793" PostId="600" Score="1" Text="Tomorrow!       ?[[[[[]]]]]" CreationDate="2013-01-05T00:20:33.127" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1795" PostId="601" Score="4" Text="Some helpful advice I can give you is to make sure you put more details in your question. The question box is large for a reason. :) In general, if you describe the problem you're facing and the purpose of the question, it gives the community more context to understand your challenges. Good luck!" CreationDate="2013-01-05T02:31:58.810" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1797" PostId="602" Score="4" Text="Actually the rule is for upvoted answers, zero/negative vote answers don't seem to count for the check" CreationDate="2013-01-05T22:48:40.033" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1799" PostId="602" Score="0" Text="I have a down voted answer that I need to delete. I am testing out the delete tool and thats &quot;why I need the delete tool so frequently.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-01-07T16:12:18.797" UserId="5609" />
  <row Id="1800" PostId="602" Score="2" Text="@crh225 Please don't post just to test.  If you need help knowing how the features work, search [meta.stackoverflow.com](http://meta.stackoverflow.com) or here or go ahead and ask a question here.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2013-01-07T17:02:39.570" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1801" PostId="602" Score="0" Text="I test posted after I could not delete my own post" CreationDate="2013-01-07T17:44:15.533" UserId="5609" />
  <row Id="1802" PostId="603" Score="0" Text="Just to add - the reason for this is that this site is intended in many senses to become a database of helpful Q/As related to the Workplace. Specific questions about resumes are difficult to make into questions like this. There are some questions though about resumes - you just need to make sure they would be relevant to others as well" CreationDate="2013-01-07T19:19:51.747" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7505" PostId="603" Score="0" Text="@enderland Firstly, wow this question is old! Second, wouldn't examples of resumes (the original, the edits, and the final product) serve as an excellent database for users to base their resumes on? When I originally wrote mine, I based the formatting off of a family friend's in addition him what words I should use." CreationDate="2015-08-06T17:40:53.987" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="7506" PostId="603" Score="0" Text="@Riorank maybe - the problem is that examples don't give guiding principles the way specific questions do. Every person and their experiences are unique and so are the cultural contexts for their resumes. Examples can be good, but lack explanations that let others more effectively craft their own." CreationDate="2015-08-06T20:35:29.070" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7508" PostId="603" Score="0" Text="Noted. Thanks for replying!" CreationDate="2015-08-07T01:15:16.280" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="1805" PostId="604" Score="2" Text="I had a lot of fun, personally. I met my goal: the Gotta Catch 'Em All! hat. :)" CreationDate="2013-01-09T04:36:35.470" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1806" PostId="604" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni, was that the baseball cap? I think I got that one too. They were pretty cool. I liked how most of the hats fit everyone like a kid wearing an adult's hat, covering the face.  Except Oded's chef hat. That fit perfectly." CreationDate="2013-01-09T04:58:42.997" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1807" PostId="604" Score="2" Text="It was *Ash Ketchum's* baseball cap :P" CreationDate="2013-01-09T15:25:40.210" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1820" PostId="604" Score="0" Text="I got lucky with that one :)" CreationDate="2013-01-11T11:02:12.500" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="2064" PostId="604" Score="0" Text="can [tag:featured] be removed from this one?" CreationDate="2013-02-04T22:31:39.457" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2065" PostId="604" Score="0" Text="Hi @enderland, I believe that once more events occur, either blog articles or more featured posts, this post will disappear from the community bulletin. However, if I remove featured, this will get bumped back up to the top of the active page on meta..... I guess, since this is the only post marked featured, the norm on the Workplace is to remove it manually... so.... it is done! :)" CreationDate="2013-02-05T03:32:03.763" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2083" PostId="604" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 awesome. I was just noticing it was cluttering the &quot;meta&quot; tages as featured when, well, it's probably not featured anymore :)" CreationDate="2013-02-05T23:24:29.147" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1808" PostId="605" Score="0" Text="[Loaded question](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question).  Regardless whether you think something might make a good soap opera plot, there is no evidence of that being at all relevant here, much less having &quot;the workplace&quot; be the only reason this question is on topic." CreationDate="2013-01-09T17:34:44.947" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1810" PostId="605" Score="8" Text="@Jim: I re-opened it because - as the quote you post illustrates - you're not the only one who made this mistake, and therefore having this question can probably avoid further discussion in the comments there. That said, I think you've missed the point of the question badly - see my answer. Try to *assume good faith* when reviewing questions - look for (and then emphasize) the on-topic aspect when possible." CreationDate="2013-01-09T17:39:29.717" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="1811" PostId="605" Score="0" Text="@Shog9: Fair enough. Will do. // For all of the times that I've been the first one to make an assertion, I thought I was in good company this time because a moderator had the same misgivings about the question." CreationDate="2013-01-09T17:44:55.443" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1812" PostId="605" Score="5" Text="@JimG. Make sure you check the timestamps and the edit history.  The comment you are talking about is not about the same version that exists now, and the post was closed *and then reopened*." CreationDate="2013-01-09T17:47:47.190" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1813" PostId="608" Score="7" Text="At this point, though, due to the popularity, I think we need to police the answers. The question has been improved considerably, but a good question with bad answers isn't that useful (to other people with the question or as a good advertisement for the site). I haven't read through the answers recently, but it's up to the community (and to some extent, the moderators) to use comments and votes to improve the answers, challenge any questionable statements, and vote on or flag any new non-answers because of the popularity of the question." CreationDate="2013-01-09T18:17:37.513" UserId="3" />
  <row Id="10966" PostId="609" Score="0" Text="nearly 100% of Sheakspeare's plots were recycled. I seriously doubt most workplace dramas are unique and new and never heard of before." CreationDate="2016-12-27T14:50:37.837" UserId="13655" />
  <row Id="8750" PostId="611" Score="1" Text="Thanks for your feedback @jmort253. I don't want to take downvote personally but I do, at least from time to time. But I do agree we need to remain constructive even if the others seems to be at fault." CreationDate="2016-04-12T15:18:27.007" UserId="32512" />
  <row Id="1816" PostId="612" Score="0" Text="what positive effects are you wanting to track?" CreationDate="2013-01-10T16:24:20.130" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1817" PostId="612" Score="2" Text="traffic, new questions from users who have seen this question and commented etc..." CreationDate="2013-01-10T17:13:29.737" UserId="3165" />
  <row Id="1818" PostId="612" Score="0" Text="as far as I understand [off-topic questions](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/612/1 &quot;since you mentioned it originally&quot;) are removed from multicollider after [closure](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/76278/165773 &quot;'algorithm in place prevents any of these from showing up'&quot;). And if moderator [locks](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/locked-questions/info &quot;what's this&quot;) it, this additionally lowers their chances to remain popular" CreationDate="2013-01-10T18:51:25.747" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1819" PostId="613" Score="3" Text="+1 for the suggestion for chat. many of us spend a lot of time there and would be more than willing to help work out good questions. I think nearly all of us have done this ourselves for questions we've asked" CreationDate="2013-01-11T01:37:37.093" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1975" PostId="613" Score="2" Text="@Chad: _We have tried to help you correct this in the past by making edits but they were rebuked._. The incident which you are referring is the incident where you totally changed the question and my intentions. FYI, SE guidelines instructs that editing question should not change the overall meaning and intentions of the question. Hence I have REDIRECT your edits towards question real intentions as conforming to the SE guidelines and NOT REBUKE you edits. Hence I request you please change your opinion about that incident. For further discussion on that incident please open private chat room" CreationDate="2013-01-21T04:47:05.907" UserId="5135" />
  <row Id="1978" PostId="613" Score="0" Text="@Ramya - There is no need to have a discussion you asked why... I am trying to help you understand why.  It is not just one question either it happened on a couple of them." CreationDate="2013-01-21T15:54:43.133" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8751" PostId="613" Score="0" Text="Hi @Chad, you can be honest without being blunt ;)" CreationDate="2016-04-12T15:19:41.913" UserId="32512" />
  <row Id="8752" PostId="613" Score="1" Text="@Andyk - Blunt is effective.  It was not rude and being that the OP is not a native speaker beating around the bush can have the effect of miscommunication.  So politely take your comment and use it constructively somewhere else. (See I can be indirect and still communicate my meaning when it is called for)" CreationDate="2016-04-12T15:24:38.557" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1821" PostId="614" Score="1" Text="http://api.stackexchange.com/" CreationDate="2013-01-11T14:36:43.243" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1850" PostId="615" Score="1" Text="Flash in the pan sounds about right. Take a peek in the long-term views part of the mod analytics, you'll find a *gargantuan* spike of views over a 3 day period from a popular question (like 30k views?) views dropped back down to equilibrium quite quickly, and the growth has been steady before/after all these spikes. I don't really know how much the spikes really help at all." CreationDate="2013-01-14T00:54:56.367" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1851" PostId="615" Score="1" Text="@Rarity - Exactly. There were other questions that resulted in similar attention on the site, and after the fact, the traffic levels go back to normal. I don't think the spikes really help either. They tend to just bring in a lot of drive by posters and create a lot of stuff that needs to be cleaned up." CreationDate="2013-01-14T01:14:42.310" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1852" PostId="615" Score="0" Text="consider adding to your answer **[this screen shot](http://i.stack.imgur.com/ZWihk.png)**. Taken at 3-months view from [Quantcast](http://www.quantcast.com/workplace.stackexchange.com), it clearly demonstrates flash pan effect on Aug 29 of a [question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/3492/168) that peaked at about 1.5x than the one asked about here; it also shows that current _fake-elvis_ question will most likely end the same. Note wider peak around 10 Jan is likely related to the fact that question is around top of &quot;SE multicollider&quot; for 4-5 days" CreationDate="2013-01-14T09:49:05.690" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1822" PostId="616" Score="1" Text="I told you to stop taking those nitroglycerin pills" CreationDate="2013-01-11T19:01:50.140" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1823" PostId="616" Score="1" Text="I HAVE A PRESCRIPTION!" CreationDate="2013-01-11T19:02:28.913" UserId="5086" />
  <row Id="1842" PostId="616" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [Should we have an &quot;agony aunt&quot; tag?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/410/should-we-have-an-agony-aunt-tag)" CreationDate="2013-01-11T23:37:36.693" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1824" PostId="617" Score="1" Text="I disagree- I dont think this site should be miss manners.  &quot;I need to tell someone x.  How do i do that professionally&quot; is fine.  &quot;I do not like the situation as it stands, what should I do&quot; is not." CreationDate="2013-01-11T19:25:02.893" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1825" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="@Chad I think those kinds of questions are perfectly on-topic and should be evaluated the same way you would any other on-topic question. For example, [How can I convince my company to change their time off policy?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/4253/316) and [How can I build a convincing argument to have an open dress code?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/7366/316)" CreationDate="2013-01-11T19:27:42.623" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1826" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="Those are good on topic questions.  &quot;I dont like my dress code what should i do?&quot; and &quot;I cant get the time off when i need it what should I do?&quot; are not.  We can help them with a path to their preferred solution, and even tell them if their solution is not the right choice, but we should not be choosing the solution for them." CreationDate="2013-01-11T19:55:06.180" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1827" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="@Chad Perhaps I wasn't being very clear with the words I was using in my answer. Can you review my edit and let me know what you think? I was trying to say that questions which essentially say &quot;Here's my situation, how should I handle it&quot; are not inherently off-topic for this site, and in fact many of our questions are likely to be along those lines due to the nature of this site's scope. You should judge these questions the same way you would any other question on the site, and not treat it any differently just because it essentially asks &quot;How should I handle this situation&quot;." CreationDate="2013-01-11T20:41:03.187" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1828" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="And I am saying I disagree with that." CreationDate="2013-01-11T20:47:39.050" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1829" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="@Chad Ok, fair enough :)" CreationDate="2013-01-11T20:49:13.160" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1832" PostId="617" Score="2" Text="@JimG. You may have misread his comment. I know I did the first time. `&quot;I need to tell someone x. How do I do that professionally&quot; **is fine**. &quot;I do not like the situation as it stands, what should I do&quot; is not`. We're a site about professionally navigating the workplace, so we are likely to get many questions asking how to politely phrase something, and it should not be taken as a flag that the question should be closed. Judge those questions the same way you would any other on-topic question" CreationDate="2013-01-11T21:17:54.570" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1833" PostId="617" Score="0" Text="@Rachel: Ah yes. I misread his comment too. :)" CreationDate="2013-01-11T21:20:13.777" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1830" PostId="618" Score="0" Text="+1: I share your concern, and that's why I think these questions are not a good fit for Workplace.SE." CreationDate="2013-01-11T21:07:02.370" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1843" PostId="618" Score="3" Text="While I don't want people to go on a witch hunt for every question asking &quot;what should I do&quot;, it might be worth seeing if we can get people to say what they've tried, if it applies. Like the question about the loud coworker, for instance. I'd hope the asker had at least *tried* some stuff before asking. But for bigger decisions with a more lasting impact, I'm not sure this is practical." CreationDate="2013-01-12T02:34:27.023" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1834" PostId="620" Score="2" Text="Thank you for coming here and asking first :-)  I very much appreciate seeing people put effort into this sort of thing..." CreationDate="2013-01-11T21:30:17.290" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1835" PostId="620" Score="1" Text="Been meaning to ask this one myself..." CreationDate="2013-01-11T21:48:01.867" UserId="5086" />
  <row Id="1836" PostId="621" Score="0" Text="I'd prefer the question to be more generic, considering my problem involves entry-level jobs with a Master's degree... asking a similar Q seems like it might fall into dupe territory otherwise." CreationDate="2013-01-11T22:19:49.353" UserId="5086" />
  <row Id="1837" PostId="621" Score="0" Text="Internships are similar to entry level but different enough that I would argue against calling them dups" CreationDate="2013-01-11T22:25:03.377" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1838" PostId="621" Score="0" Text="&quot;How can I best&quot; - _best_ smells value judgement (=&gt; may invite debate), I'd rather phrase this a bit more neutrally, maybe &quot;what do I need to learn to&quot; - or maybe with your &quot;alternative&quot; wording" CreationDate="2013-01-11T22:28:39.627" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1839" PostId="621" Score="1" Text="@gnat - I reworded it to just qualify as effectively" CreationDate="2013-01-11T22:30:02.610" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1840" PostId="621" Score="0" Text="yeah wording in [rev 2](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/621/2) feels about right" CreationDate="2013-01-11T22:30:50.503" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1844" PostId="623" Score="0" Text="I am permanently logged into Stackoverflow using Chrome and setting the cookies to 'remember me'. So I am surprised it asked me to login again." CreationDate="2013-01-13T03:01:04.480" UserDisplayName="user6142" />
  <row Id="1845" PostId="623" Score="0" Text="Well, it is not working as you say. Now I tried again and used the same email as my Stackoverflow account and created a new account as it asked - I have just '1' reputation." CreationDate="2013-01-13T03:05:39.273" UserDisplayName="user6142" />
  <row Id="1846" PostId="623" Score="1" Text="The 101 includes the association bonus, which you only get if you have 200 rep on another site." CreationDate="2013-01-13T03:47:21.497" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="1849" PostId="623" Score="3" Text="If a question is protected then you have to have at least 10 rep on this site to answer a question." CreationDate="2013-01-13T09:52:34.830" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1868" PostId="623" Score="0" Text="@AnilP are you sure you tried to link them? It doesn't look like your accounts are associated correctly (you should be able to see the linked accounts when you go to your profile page)." CreationDate="2013-01-15T00:00:52.377" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1847" PostId="625" Score="1" Text="Hi toscho, would you mind measuring those results again in a week and posting an update. It will be interesting to see what actually sustains from this. :)" CreationDate="2013-01-13T08:59:36.623" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1848" PostId="625" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I’ll try to remember that. :)" CreationDate="2013-01-13T09:14:18.713" UserId="6160" />
  <row Id="1858" PostId="625" Score="0" Text="@toscho no need to wait, you can take a **[look back at 3 months view](http://i.stack.imgur.com/ZWihk.png &quot;screen shot&quot;)** and see how question with even larger number of views had zero long term effect" CreationDate="2013-01-14T20:19:04.983" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1859" PostId="625" Score="1" Text="@gnat Impressive. :) I think it is good to see the effect wear off so fast. A continuous growth will be more stable." CreationDate="2013-01-14T20:51:49.163" UserId="6160" />
  <row Id="1875" PostId="625" Score="1" Text="@gnat - that answers my question perfectly (and gives me more stats to look at - yay!)" CreationDate="2013-01-15T09:25:21.803" UserId="3165" />
  <row Id="1857" PostId="627" Score="0" Text="Recently deleted users show up as &quot;user6167&quot; etc too, I don't think they show up as &quot;anonymous&quot; unless a specific post was anonymized (separated from an existing user's account)" CreationDate="2013-01-14T15:51:53.010" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1861" PostId="627" Score="0" Text="@rarity, so bug then?" CreationDate="2013-01-14T20:59:08.560" UserId="2536" />
  <row Id="1862" PostId="627" Score="0" Text="@kolossus they might have just asked for their account to be deleted. Happens surprisingly often." CreationDate="2013-01-14T21:12:09.613" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1865" PostId="627" Score="1" Text="@Rarity, you're right, but I was typing on my phone and didn't elaborate.  Thanks for making that clear." CreationDate="2013-01-14T23:29:29.490" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1860" PostId="1626" Score="0" Text="+1, the man's right" CreationDate="2013-01-14T20:58:33.750" UserId="2536" />
  <row Id="1867" PostId="1626" Score="0" Text="The devil's in the details." CreationDate="2013-01-14T23:58:28.053" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1876" PostId="1626" Score="2" Text="I happened to notice that post minutes after it was posted, the username was greyed out. There is one valid way this could have happened, the user deleted their account right after they posted the question. That's something that at some point we discussed here on Meta as a way to post (completely) anonymously, and it might just be exactly what happened. Or, it's a bug." CreationDate="2013-01-15T11:31:29.733" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1869" PostId="1627" Score="2" Text="Are the answers you're referring to up voted? I think we need an example or two. I feel like a lot of low quality posts that are NAA get removed." CreationDate="2013-01-15T02:36:36.013" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1950" PostId="1627" Score="5" Text="I think this post could be cut down to **Without downvotes on mediocre answers, there is no incentive to stop posting them**" CreationDate="2013-01-17T19:05:01.017" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2013" PostId="1627" Score="10" Text="Start by getting people to *not up-vote mediocre answers*.  Some people will up-vote any opinion they agree with, regardless of quality *as an answer*." CreationDate="2013-01-24T15:38:04.767" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2102" PostId="1627" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio it is worth keeping in mind that this approach might break in [&quot;artificially hot&quot; questions](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/5543/31260 &quot;as explained eg here&quot;): &quot;There are just too many new visitors to keep things under local community control, and there are just too many new voters and commenters to get things going as designed...&quot;" CreationDate="2013-02-15T09:28:25.773" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2120" PostId="1627" Score="0" Text="As an aside... Ohh how i wish &quot;Most people cannot go to StackOverflow and contribute answers to problems outside their expertise or familiarity&quot; would stop them from doing it anyway." CreationDate="2013-02-16T04:24:19.373" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1863" PostId="1628" Score="2" Text="what would be your take on downvote based on reasoning (...[explained with comment](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/135/165773 &quot;Encouraging people to explain down-votes&quot;) if you wish) like this? **&quot;this answer does not appear useful because it looks that all its points are better presented in other answers to this question&quot;**" CreationDate="2013-01-14T21:54:01.000" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1864" PostId="1628" Score="7" Text="Rachel, how do you propose preventing repetition in answers, as an alternative to downvoting?" CreationDate="2013-01-14T22:15:56.153" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1866" PostId="1628" Score="1" Text="`especially not if they actually contain useful information.` the problem is, that nearly ALL our questions are polls because of their subjective nature - &quot;what do you think I should do?&quot; - which means that we will (and do) have a whole host of answers providing one element of that poll (which might be useful) yet doing so in a way which is completely not in line with the [FAQ]" CreationDate="2013-01-14T23:49:48.557" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1870" PostId="1628" Score="3" Text="@enderland - &quot;What do you think I should do?&quot; feels sort of like a get out of jail free card for when you don't have an actual question. Sort of like the [Office Politics](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/8860/revisions) question. To me, these definitely seem closeable. Then possibly editable." CreationDate="2013-01-15T03:19:29.550" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1905" PostId="1628" Score="8" Text="`Where would SO be today if it downvoted mediocre answers and only upvoted high-quality answers?` In a far better place than it is, SO today is one big crapfest." CreationDate="2013-01-15T22:30:20.687" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="1906" PostId="1628" Score="1" Text="@YannisRizos Sorry, I disagree. I love SO for it's fast and accurate answers :)" CreationDate="2013-01-15T23:34:17.980" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1949" PostId="1628" Score="7" Text="@Rachel - I rarely use SO anymore because its only worthless questions that get answered.  I have 2 hard questions out there with out an answer.  And one that has an answer of well we don't think you can do that, despite the fact that I was able to get it working." CreationDate="2013-01-17T19:01:06.057" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2737" PostId="1628" Score="1" Text="@Chad: Maybe you need to offer a bounty on those hard questions." CreationDate="2013-06-15T16:54:40.337" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2738" PostId="1628" Score="0" Text="@Yannis: C'mon. It's not THAT bad. I rely on SO nearly every day at my job. // Besides, you'll get better results on the front page if you exclude tags that you're not interested in." CreationDate="2013-06-15T16:57:25.817" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1877" PostId="1630" Score="6" Text="I've always considered &quot;too-localized&quot; as &quot;applies to just the OP&quot;. I would not consider a question that applies to an entire country to be too-localized, however potentially a question about someone's specific situation within a country may be too-localized." CreationDate="2013-01-15T14:33:51.810" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2697" PostId="1630" Score="1" Text="&quot;This question is unlikely to help any future visitors; it is only relevant to a small geographic area, a specific moment in time, or an extraordinarily narrow situation that is not generally applicable to the worldwide audience of the internet.&quot; So &quot;localized&quot; here doesn't necessarily mean geographically, it could simply mean &quot;extraordinarily narrow&quot;." CreationDate="2013-06-11T16:37:51.757" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="1884" PostId="1633" Score="2" Text="as for invalidating answers, this is a good argument for close early, close often. Since we have a lot of active reopen voters, I wonder if this is something we should do a little more? The other option is to comment on the invalidated answers?  Or maybe edit the answers too?" CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:13:41.323" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1878" PostId="1634" Score="2" Text="I didn't think the question was asking &quot;Is this a problem&quot;, but more &quot;Should I let company culture influence how much PTO I take&quot;, which I think is a worthwhile question for the site. It's one I had when I first started working and before I had any prior experience with PTO, and I think many other users have that question too. I don't like the edit Chad made because it changes the core question too much, and invalidates just about every one of the existing answers." CreationDate="2013-01-15T15:47:37.383" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1886" PostId="1634" Score="1" Text="Hypothetically speaking, if the edits weren't done as they were, then the alternative is that we could do more to ensure every answer follows the good subjective guidelines and also the back it up rule. In short, I will say that we can take pressure off askers and redirect more of the responsibility on answerers. I find it especially hard to judge constructiveness as sometimes it just depends on what the first few answers look like." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:18:29.717" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1879" PostId="1635" Score="0" Text="What should I do is not a good fit though.  I tried changing it to how can i tell if it is a problem but that was rejected.  But instead we have a straw man question but at least it is a constructive straw man question..." CreationDate="2013-01-15T18:36:40.483" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1880" PostId="1639" Score="4" Text="I think a &quot;discuss on meta first&quot; policy would just decrease the effectiveness of community editing and reopening by tying it up in bureaucracy. My guideline for editing: Find a way to get the OP the answers they're looking for in a way that meets SE standards and doesn't invalidate existing answers. That's it." CreationDate="2013-01-15T19:21:26.293" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1881" PostId="1639" Score="2" Text="I think the biggest problem area is questions that already have answers. I don't think there should be a general case roadblock for under answered/single answer Qs. Many of the problems we've had in the past were often related to a long list of answers referring to various states of the question" CreationDate="2013-01-15T19:26:25.010" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1882" PostId="1639" Score="1" Text="questions that need substantial edits should be closed quickly and reopened slowly, to let things settle without contention and, most important, **[without getting new answers that threaten to invalidate edits](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/161877/165773)**" CreationDate="2013-01-15T19:40:58.760" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1883" PostId="1639" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - I dont think that posting a suggested edits, getting some feedback, and then posting is really all that much red tape.  The OP can always do their own edits, and I am not trying to prevent the obvious, just the edits that rewrite the question.  Especially ones that were closed not constructive or not a real question." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:06:00.750" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1885" PostId="1639" Score="1" Text="@Chad I think [enderland's answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1641/316) provides some good guidelines about when you should come to meta to discuss a question prior to editing and trying to get it reopened. Writing up a meta question takes extra time and effort, and waiting for a response before making the edit can often result in more downvotes or comments on the question, and which makes it much harder for the question to get turned around and going in the right direction. So if your edit doesn't radically change the question, I don't think you need to come to meta first." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:18:07.780" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1887" PostId="1639" Score="0" Text="Also don't forget you can always use [chat] if you're not sure about an edit. Users seem to be pretty active in there compared to some of the other SE sites, and are quite willing to offer their opinion on a potential edit or even help figure out a good edit for a question." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:18:47.123" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1888" PostId="1639" Score="1" Text="@Rachel - Post the link to the meta in chat... you will get attention quick enough.   A few hours closed is not going to hurt that bad." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:20:58.960" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1889" PostId="1639" Score="0" Text="@Chad If you look at our newest question page, there are 8 questions asked in the last 24 hours, and 5 of those are closed, all with a negative score of at least -5. It's much easier to get questions reopened if you edit them to fix the problems early on. More users are viewing the question, fewer users have downvoted the question (and those downvoters are likely still active and may retract their downvote), and the OP is often active and answering questions about his/her question. I can tell you from experience that it is *much* harder to reopen older questions than it is to reopen new ones." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:33:38.970" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1890" PostId="1639" Score="1" Text="@Rachel, suppose a link to a fixed question is dropped in chat. Do you think that would help?" CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:36:21.570" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1892" PostId="1639" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 Of course it would help, more visibility = more potential reopen votes :) But I don't think dropping links to fixed questions in chat was what we were talking about. Chad is proposing we make it an unofficial policy to create a meta post to discuss a potential edit, and he was saying you could drop a link to that meta post in chat for a faster response. I disagree with his proposal because I don't think you should need to make a meta post in order to make an edit to a question and try to get it reopened." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:45:37.353" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1894" PostId="1639" Score="1" Text="Well I think the results here are going to be the final straw for me." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:49:18.707" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1895" PostId="1639" Score="3" Text="It's not a bad experiment, but I'd suggest only directing people to meta if it's clear there's going to be some debate on what's a good edit is vs a bad edit. Chad, if you see a debate starting to form, by all means, please drop a meta link like you did. :)  But I don't think it has to happen on every single post." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:49:35.780" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1896" PostId="1639" Score="0" Text="@Chad I'm not trying to say posting links to meta questions won't get them more attention. I'm trying to say that I don't think you should have to post on meta in order to try and edit a question and get it reopened. However I do agree with Enderland's answer that there are some cases where it would be recommended that you post on meta before editing to make sure the community agrees with you (complete rewrites that change the core question, edits that would invalidate all existing answers, extremely popular questions that could use a meta link to explain the edit, etc)" CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:53:28.437" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1898" PostId="1639" Score="1" Text="@Jmort253 - I have a serious problem with question quality here.  And we have vetern users editing questions that have been closed and making them less constructive... that is not a good thing.  Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.  Something has to change." CreationDate="2013-01-15T21:20:04.713" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1899" PostId="1639" Score="1" Text="Hi Chad, do you think it's possible to retroactively look at not-so-active questions, or do you feel these discussions need to focus on posts that are less than 24 hours old?  Alternatively, I could ask SE to do a self-eval for us and randomly select 10 questions we can look at more closely. What do you think?" CreationDate="2013-01-15T21:24:56.130" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1900" PostId="1639" Score="2" Text="@jmort253 - I think in general &lt;24 or maybe 48 hours is fine.  I think its possible to do older but I do not know that there is any value in it.  I am truely afraid of what an self eval would look like over the last 3 months." CreationDate="2013-01-15T21:29:22.510" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1901" PostId="1639" Score="1" Text="I think a main difference between here and other SE sites is that here, oftentimes the &quot;problem&quot; is not so much a clearly defined problem but that people just don't know what to do in a situation." CreationDate="2013-01-15T21:37:29.870" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1902" PostId="1639" Score="0" Text="In regard to &quot;we have vetern users editing questions that have been closed and making them less constructive...&quot;, I would assume you're talking about me in regards to [this question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1637/316). It was not my attention to make the question &quot;not-constructive&quot;. I was trying to make the question on-topic and get it reopened, as I explained in my answer there. I'm sorry if my edit was incorrect, and I would welcome other suggestions to get that question reopened. (Also, I wouldn't consider myself a &quot;veteran user&quot;, but thanks :))" CreationDate="2013-01-15T21:49:27.123" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1903" PostId="1639" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - I am not talking about one user.  Even I did one today that was inappropriate." CreationDate="2013-01-15T21:50:24.810" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1904" PostId="1639" Score="0" Text="@enderland - Well those questions do not belong here IMO." CreationDate="2013-01-15T21:51:02.657" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1907" PostId="1639" Score="0" Text="@Chad Ok, sorry for misunderstanding :)" CreationDate="2013-01-16T01:04:19.643" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1908" PostId="1640" Score="1" Text="Not all questions should be reopened.  This question appears to be a rant about the OP's coworkers speaking in a language he does not understand, so he would like this policy implemented.  I deduce this from the way his comments danced around why the op was asking the question." CreationDate="2013-01-16T14:30:20.750" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1891" PostId="1641" Score="3" Text="I'm also a fan of bringing the conversation to meta when there's debate about the question. I've seen that turn off new askers in the past, although I haven't seen that happen in a couple months..." CreationDate="2013-01-15T20:37:25.847" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1897" PostId="1642" Score="0" Text="+1 for the exact quote from the too-localized close reason :)" CreationDate="2013-01-15T21:05:33.110" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1919" PostId="1644" Score="0" Text="The question still asks if he could have askedfor/demanded compensation though.  That is not constuctive and too local" CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:53:48.050" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1937" PostId="1644" Score="1" Text="I get that it's something people might wonder, but how useful is the site if it's mostly a repository for &quot;just ask your employer&quot; answers, which then gather rep because, even though they really don't tell you anything, are correct? Something just rubs me the wrong way about these. It's not really that they're too easy, it's that we can't answer them, there's just a too-easy way to say that while getting rep by answering instead of closing the question" CreationDate="2013-01-17T13:38:42.867" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="1942" PostId="1644" Score="2" Text="@Rarity I find those answers to be very useful, because then I have the answer to my question: I need to ask my employer since there is no industry-standard. If you want to outlaw all questions that should be asked to your employer instead of to here, you might as well close down the site, as that could probably be a valid answer to many of the questions here." CreationDate="2013-01-17T16:04:23.850" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1943" PostId="1644" Score="1" Text="A (the?) problem is while it might be obvious to some of us answers are &quot;ask your boss/employer&quot; it is **not** necessarily obvious to many or most people. So in cases resolution to a &quot;I don't know what to do in this situation&quot; problem will be &quot;you should ask your employer.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-01-17T16:05:59.030" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1909" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="I agree it's a specific employer policy question. But even though this is the case it seems like a good question to have on The Workplace site" CreationDate="2013-01-16T16:23:53.013" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1910" PostId="1645" Score="2" Text="@enderland - No the good question to have is &quot;How can I find out...&quot;  Feel free to ask it." CreationDate="2013-01-16T16:26:17.290" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1911" PostId="1645" Score="1" Text="`&quot;It is really a specific employer policy question.&quot;` - I would disagree. Many companies have floating holidays policies, so this question would apply to any employee that works for a company that has floating holidays, and is being laid off. If the question was something like &quot;My company treats M/dd as a holiday because it's the boss's birthday. I got laid off and want to know if I can ask for compensation for this &quot;holiday&quot;&quot;, *then* I would consider it an employer-specific policy question." CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:01:17.490" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1912" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - But the answer on how a company handles paying out unused floating holidays on layoff is an employer specific question." CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:04:34.240" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1913" PostId="1645" Score="1" Text="@Chad But he's not asking how *his* company handles paying out unused floating holidays on layoffs.... he's asking &quot;Are floating holidays payable when someone is laid off?&quot;. In fact, the very first line is &quot;I'm wondering if floating holidays can be, or are, paid out to the employee when the company lays them off&quot;, and he ends with &quot;Is it true I could have asked for/demanded compensation?&quot;. It's generic. He's not asking about his specific company, he's asking about *in general*." CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:21:26.313" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1914" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - Actually he is asking if he **could have asked** his old company.  It is not constructive and to local." CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:24:55.820" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1915" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="@Chad Would you think the question is OK if the line *&quot;Is it true I could have asked for/demanded compensation?&quot;* got changed to *&quot;I am now wondering if I could have asked for compensation&quot;*, and the title question of *&quot;Are floating holidays payable when someone is laid off?&quot;* reiterated at the bottom of the question?" CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:28:40.897" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1917" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - No &quot;are they payable&quot; is a per employer policy answer so it is too local.  If the question was What can i do now to find out if I am due compensation?  or How can I find out if? I would have been ok with those questions." CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:32:53.310" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1918" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="@Chad I edited the question (slightly) to address these concerns." CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:43:38.343" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1920" PostId="1645" Score="1" Text="@enderland &gt;.&lt; Now wouldn't it be ironic if someone answered *&quot;You could ask if floating holidays are payable when you get laid off on the Workplace.SE&quot;*..." CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:54:26.573" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1922" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="@enderland The point is, almost everyone knows they can ask the HR department at the company to find out for themselves. But they ask here to find out if such a request is reasonable/normal first, because they don't want to ask what could possibly be a &quot;stupid&quot; question. I don't see anything wrong with the initial version of the question. I can see how it could be mistaken for &quot;too-localized&quot; at first glance, however upon closer inspection I definitely think that is not the case, and it is an OK question for the site." CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:55:14.420" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1924" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="I am hoping for one more delete before you get 3 more reopens... I suspect you will win the race" CreationDate="2013-01-16T18:01:35.097" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1925" PostId="1645" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - FWIW I would be ok with a question that asked what the standard is for paying out unused floating holidays at termination.  But to me the quality of the question is all in how it is asked.  If the quesiton is asked poorly then it is a poor question." CreationDate="2013-01-16T18:16:41.600" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1916" PostId="1646" Score="1" Text="I disagree with this. The exact answer the OP needs is too localized, however I do not think the question itself is too localized. In fact, a broadly applicable answer has already been written that applies to all cases where an employee has been laid off from a company that has floating holidays, and is wondering if he can or should ask for them to be paid out." CreationDate="2013-01-16T17:31:17.597" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1926" PostId="1646" Score="0" Text="Rachel, you're conflating the question you *want it to be* with the question it is.  So edit it.. that's what closing is for." CreationDate="2013-01-16T19:15:07.580" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1928" PostId="1646" Score="0" Text="Ummm but that's exactly what the first version of the question said. The title was *&quot;Are floating holidays payable when someone is laid off?&quot;*, the body begins with the line *&quot;I'm wondering if floating holidays can be, or are, paid out to the employee when the company lays them off&quot;*, and ends with the question *&quot;Is it true I could have asked for/demanded compensation?&quot;*. I can edit it if you want me to, but I really wouldn't be doing much to the main question other than probably changing the last question to a statement, and reiterating the title at the end of the question." CreationDate="2013-01-16T21:25:43.150" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1931" PostId="1646" Score="0" Text="@Rachel, No, that's the exact version of the question that is too localized.  No one knows the answer to that question." CreationDate="2013-01-16T21:38:56.270" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="1927" PostId="1648" Score="3" Text="as soon as the question presents a **practical problem**, answers are expected to provide solution and explain why it solves the problem. Provided answer has this, I wouldn't mind a touch of opinion there. Anything else is likely a _slappable_ :) problem - either in question or in answer (or in both)" CreationDate="2013-01-16T21:07:17.433" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1929" PostId="1648" Score="2" Text="I agree with @gnat. I find nothing wrong with a bit of opinion in an answer, providing the opinion isn't the entire answer. We're a community of humans, and I don't think we should be trying to hide or eliminate our &quot;humanness&quot;. It's part of what makes us a community, and not Google or Ask Jeeves." CreationDate="2013-01-16T21:28:27.287" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1930" PostId="1648" Score="2" Text="Shouldnt those be answers we can up or down vote?" CreationDate="2013-01-16T21:29:00.037" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1932" PostId="1648" Score="1" Text="@gnat I thought the two answers were &quot;slap XXX&quot; or &quot;ask your boss.&quot; Bonus points if you can [slap your boss](http://stackoverflow.com/a/234409/1048539)" CreationDate="2013-01-16T23:06:20.847" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1979" PostId="1648" Score="0" Text="&quot; Please note that answers should be backed up either with a reference, or experiences that happened to you personally. You should always include in your answer information about why you think your answer is correct.&quot; All of that begs opinion, IMO" CreationDate="2013-01-21T19:39:01.817" UserId="2536" />
  <row Id="1980" PostId="1648" Score="1" Text="@Kolossus - I am not asking about opinions that are the answer but rather opining about asides, especially things like well if you have that situation at your workplace then perhaps rather than dealing with the problem that is not someplace you want to work." CreationDate="2013-01-21T19:57:50.440" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1933" PostId="1649" Score="1" Text="I should add this is even more of a problem when we consistently have popular questions (which seems to be the trend as of late...)" CreationDate="2013-01-16T23:43:45.583" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1936" PostId="1649" Score="0" Text="Its the popular non questions that are teh problem as soon as they become legit questions most of them lose their popularity" CreationDate="2013-01-17T04:59:47.653" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1947" PostId="1649" Score="0" Text="@Chad yes, but, when we have lots of people visit who are less experienced with TW  its amplified with additional questions/answers from these people" CreationDate="2013-01-17T16:34:05.860" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1948" PostId="1649" Score="1" Text="With [this](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/8944/16) being the most blatant offender though almost every answer does question if they actually want to work there." CreationDate="2013-01-17T16:41:55.380" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1977" PostId="1649" Score="0" Text="Well, I disagree with your characterization of my answer on the PTO question (which always addressed the culture question, *and also* the norms question when it was more prominent), but otherwise I agree with this answer.  We get way too many answers that never actually address the question." CreationDate="2013-01-21T15:39:36.417" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2008" PostId="1649" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio the pre-edit version of your answer did not :-)" CreationDate="2013-01-23T17:18:33.057" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2010" PostId="1649" Score="0" Text="@enderland: &quot;Your main problem, though, is a cultural one...&quot; (v1)." CreationDate="2013-01-23T17:31:17.947" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1935" PostId="1650" Score="3" Text="I am specifically talking about all the suggestions to get a different job or I wouldn't even want that job in the first place.  They are not helpful at all.  The other thing I see alot is here is my non answer about why your situation sucks and my similar experience.  They get upvotes but are useless." CreationDate="2013-01-17T04:58:51.710" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1938" PostId="1650" Score="0" Text="A really good specific example is [here](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/8899/how-should-i-respond-to-an-inappropriate-question-in-a-job-interview)" CreationDate="2013-01-17T15:56:07.700" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1944" PostId="1650" Score="0" Text="`The way I interpret this is that if someone asks how to do X in situation Y, it's perfectly acceptable to explain that it's not a good idea and why, and then explain an alternative and explain why the alternative is better.` I strongly disagree with this. This site is a Q/A site, not &quot;Dear Workplace&quot; If we become tolerant of what you say there it's going to be really hard to keep a Q/A feel." CreationDate="2013-01-17T16:26:58.923" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1945" PostId="1650" Score="0" Text="There are simply too many unknown factors in 99% of situations to try to give corrective advice in the fashion you describe. It works in technical situations, because, well, normally you don't have to deal with real people, emotions, personalities, a variety of personal interests, and the other mountain of complicated factors people add to situations. From a 1-3 paragraph question it is almost ALWAYS impossible to know &quot;oh, you are asking this, but you really should do this instead&quot; because we never have enough details" CreationDate="2013-01-17T16:28:54.153" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1946" PostId="1650" Score="0" Text="The question I linked above is a perfect example. We have literally a PARAPHRASED question which was &quot;something like&quot; the quoted text. We have TONS of users who are taking this one, paraphrased &quot;something like&quot; question and drawing outrageous conclusions about the motives of the asker, the intent of the question, calling it a test, and a whole variety of other ridiculous things which are impossible to know or even guess on. This is terribly bad for our site." CreationDate="2013-01-17T16:30:59.553" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1970" PostId="1650" Score="0" Text="Hi @enderland, can you pull a specific answer or two out of the question you cite? We analyze questions all the time to look at them for constructiveness, so there's no reason we can't do the same for specific answers. I really want to try to understand your point, and I feel like specific examples of answers are necessary." CreationDate="2013-01-19T22:09:42.147" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1972" PostId="1650" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 see [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1660/2322)" CreationDate="2013-01-20T22:38:02.803" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2028" PostId="1650" Score="0" Text="[this question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/9252/how-to-disarm-dominative-gestures-of-a-colleague) has, as of this comment, 6 answers - 5 of them completely miss the point of the question and the only one which addresses it is formatted in such a way it got to -4. None of them address the actual problem, all address a non-written question of &quot;how do I stop a coworker from touching me?&quot; which is COMPLETELY different than the asked question." CreationDate="2013-01-29T16:44:08.233" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2033" PostId="1650" Score="0" Text="Hi @enderland, sorry for taking so long to get back to you. On this particular question, I also was one of the answerers, so it's possible I may be a little biased. I focused on the &quot;is there an effective way to disarm this gesture&quot; part of the question, and I felt like most of the answers addressed techniques for disarming the pats on the back, whether it be taking some action or simply learning to ignore it. As for the deleted post, it focused solely on the handshake, which wasn't really part of the question or the problem the asker was facing. I support the community decision to remove it." CreationDate="2013-01-30T04:25:47.120" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2034" PostId="1650" Score="0" Text="cont'd - Other than that, the answers that are downvoted still seem like answers, even though we may disagree with the information provided.  As for judging whether or not something is an answer, I look at whether or not the person provided explanation, and whether or not they provided an answer, or a viable alternative as outlined in [How to Answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/how-to-answer)" CreationDate="2013-01-30T04:27:31.753" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1939" PostId="1651" Score="1" Text="I have mixed feelings on this. Some questions that might *be* the answer (and a good answer) to a question. Sometimes people might think there are answers to that question elsewhere (like the vacation policy one - thinking to ask the company who just laid you off about this probably is not the first instinct of most people; obviously it's not for the person who asked)." CreationDate="2013-01-17T15:58:15.530" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1940" PostId="1651" Score="1" Text="The answer that &quot;there is no industry-standard and you have to ask your employer&quot; would actually be very helpful/useful for many users and questions. Personally I don't like harassing my HR manager more than I have to, particularly not for potentially &quot;stupid&quot; questions. An answer like that would be very useful to me, and I do not think we should outlaw questions just because that is the answer. In addition, most of the time when people ask questions with those answers, they don't *know* that is going to be the answer, so how can they know it will considered a &quot;bad question&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-01-17T15:58:37.513" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1941" PostId="1651" Score="2" Text="but at the same time, I do think a canonical &quot;ask your boss&quot; or &quot;ask HR&quot; question really might be good to close some of these questions as duplicates" CreationDate="2013-01-17T15:58:42.770" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1951" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="My intent was not to expand the scope but to remove the discussion part of the question.  The practical part is constructive and on topic so I was trimming the other off.  I have no objection to the proper refocusing." CreationDate="2013-01-18T16:43:20.383" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1952" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="@Chad didn't mean to imply that you were. My question is in regards to the 'previous' versus 'current' status, I think that makes a major difference in how to answer the question. If the OP was still a manager at his previous employer he may be exposing himself and his company to liability by not reporting this to higher management." CreationDate="2013-01-18T16:48:35.677" UserId="4808" />
  <row Id="1989" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="Are you saying that it is proper to expose a company to liability that they could have avoided if you are not employed by that company?  The person either is or is not a danger to his coworkers." CreationDate="2013-01-22T17:51:46.857" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1990" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="@Chad, no I'm simply saying that if the accused was a 'current' employee and the OP a manager then there are different considerations. In the 'current' scenario the OP would/could be exposing himself and his employer to the risk of liability. Where as in the 'previous' scenario the OP has no professional obligation to report this and certainly wouldn't be held to the same legal/civil standard." CreationDate="2013-01-22T17:59:32.573" UserId="4808" />
  <row Id="1991" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="If the question was about his legal obligation then I would agree.  But since it is not scoped to that I do not think it matters.  If the risk is enough to inform your employer then it should be enough to inform someone at the offenders company." CreationDate="2013-01-22T18:02:27.857" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1993" PostId="1652" Score="0" Text="@Chad, first off let me make it clear that my question here on 'Meta' was not to debate the merits of the question or the answers already provided. Although this may not be the best example to have used, my question is how to address questions where minor wording/phrasing in the question could make a difference in how the question might best be answered." CreationDate="2013-01-22T18:14:34.660" UserId="4808" />
  <row Id="1953" PostId="1654" Score="0" Text="could you please expand a bit on how does that answer the question asked?" CreationDate="2013-01-18T16:58:53.367" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1954" PostId="1654" Score="0" Text="Sure, the question was &quot;What is the best approach and methodology for addressing those differences?&quot; and my point is a &quot;previous&quot; co-worker does not matter, thus the initial question here isn't a good fit nor is it constructive to a workplace q&amp;a.  Therefore, the &quot;best approach&quot; is to close the question as not constructive." CreationDate="2013-01-18T17:48:22.133" UserId="1685" />
  <row Id="1955" PostId="1654" Score="1" Text="I do see your point, but doesn't 'The Workplace' include the full scope of our professional lives? After all we certainly allow questions on seeking other employment, career changes, and so on. Things that don't directly apply to our current workplace. If we follow your logic wouldn't we need to exclude those questions as being off topic as well?" CreationDate="2013-01-18T18:46:31.333" UserId="4808" />
  <row Id="1956" PostId="1654" Score="0" Text="The full scope of our professional lives does not include personal relationships with people we do not work with.  I think that's the key a lot of people are missing on this topic.  The guy who is being &quot;tattled on&quot; (for lack of a better term) DOES NOT work with the guy.  There is 0 correlation.  &#xA;The question's basis is &quot;should i tell my boss something about someone that does not work here and has no impact on anything that goes on.&quot;  I can't even believe it's garnering this much discussion to be honest.  The guys assault charge has nothing to do with anything involved in working." CreationDate="2013-01-18T20:01:42.347" UserId="1685" />
  <row Id="1957" PostId="1654" Score="0" Text="It's the definition of gossip, and the original poster's rhetoric makes it look like he simply wants to speak up because a guy hit a girl.  It's not his business, it's not the workplace where the Assaulter DOES NOT work's business.&#xA;I don't even understand what the motive is to say anything.  It's ridiculous." CreationDate="2013-01-18T20:03:41.313" UserId="1685" />
  <row Id="1969" PostId="1654" Score="1" Text="@squeemish - I thought he was asking if he should let the alleged perpetrator's manager know about the allegations: &quot;Should these coworkers be made aware of these chargers, and **his management as well**?&quot; - emphasis mine." CreationDate="2013-01-19T19:33:52.757" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1971" PostId="1654" Score="0" Text="ok, my point still stands.  this guy's whole question is &quot;should i but my nose into somebody's business?&quot;  why in the world would he contact a manager in a business place that he doesn't work?  i can't talk about this guy anymore, he makes me want to punch him in his face.  mind your own business.  he needs a punch in the face for even considering doing this.  guy is acting like he's 4 years old and someone stole his toy.  it's ridiculous and it really makes my blood boil that we are even attempting to support this question" CreationDate="2013-01-20T20:52:20.807" UserId="1685" />
  <row Id="1992" PostId="1654" Score="0" Text="@squeemish - the OP had a professional relationship with them.  The question is does he have any obligation to report what he knows because of the professional relationship.  This is not about the personal relationship, or at least this is a question about the line between the two.  For that reason I think it is in scope.  You may be right that it is on the personal side of the line but that does not mean we can not ask questions about where that line is drawn." CreationDate="2013-01-22T18:09:32.663" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1994" PostId="1654" Score="0" Text="I guess.  I just don't understand where an obligation to report comes from.  Would OP want someone telling his boss about his personal, non-work related matters?  But I think I'm beating a dead horse." CreationDate="2013-01-22T19:59:04.533" UserId="1685" />
  <row Id="1965" PostId="1655" Score="2" Text="Out of cuirousity, why is a support question that is asking why something got deleted getting downvotes? I realize downvotes may be different on meta, however I don't think there's much here to agree/disagree with." CreationDate="2013-01-18T21:59:42.443" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1966" PostId="1655" Score="1" Text="I'm going to go with the brain @#%#@ seeing posts within posts gives me trying to read it? :-)" CreationDate="2013-01-18T23:42:42.160" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1967" PostId="1655" Score="2" Text="Why is this question getting downvotes???" CreationDate="2013-01-19T00:30:35.943" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="1973" PostId="1655" Score="0" Text="@enderland I know, I'm the one that posted the question and it *still* confuses me trying to read through the post :)" CreationDate="2013-01-20T23:34:57.207" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="15085" PostId="1655" Score="0" Text="@gnat tags should be based on the *question*, not the *answers*." CreationDate="2018-04-08T17:53:43.560" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15087" PostId="1655" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I believe I added the tag based on the question because it focuses on a post from a self-admitted troll - this is clearly visible in [profile of its asker](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/5945/demonz-demonz): &quot;I am a constructive troll, meaning... the tone used in my posts sounds unprofessional, childish, trollish, even ridicule...&quot;. The fact that one of the answers explicitly points this and that this answer was accepted is nice and helpful for readers but my motivation to add the tag was not based on it" CreationDate="2018-04-10T12:47:08.550" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15088" PostId="1655" Score="0" Text="(...though if you feel it's better to keep this hidden, so be it)" CreationDate="2018-04-10T12:47:18.800" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15089" PostId="1655" Score="0" Text="@gnat it's not a matter of &quot;hidden&quot;; the question here does not mention any of that or a suspicion of trolling.  It's like tagging a question on Software Engineering &quot;git&quot; because somebody asked a question about using SVN in some scenario and everybody agreed that the answer is &quot;use git instead&quot;." CreationDate="2018-04-10T14:11:01.943" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15090" PostId="1655" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio as I said I didn't account for the answer here, I only based it on the profile of the asker of discussed question. In that sense your example with git on Software Engineering doesn't feel right, sorry" CreationDate="2018-04-10T14:16:21.070" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15091" PostId="1655" Score="1" Text="@gnat is that information from the profile in the question?  I didn't see anything in reading this question to support the tag, but if that's just because info was missing, feel free to edit it in and add the tag back." CreationDate="2018-04-10T14:21:06.527" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="1958" PostId="1656" Score="1" Text="If there is not a reason for the deletion, do you think it could be undeleted? And ideally reopened, since the question is not a duplicate of the linked question, and the ideal answer is very different between the two? I know it had 4 reopen votes at one point, but it never got a 5th one, even with my flag =/" CreationDate="2013-01-18T20:40:31.707" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1959" PostId="1656" Score="4" Text="Hi Rachel, I'm afraid I have to agree with deletion on this one. The answers that the question got weren't really all that great, and they were just repeats of the much better answers on the other question. With that said, I really appreciate your desire to try to save questions; your efforts do make a difference. :)" CreationDate="2013-01-18T20:49:07.830" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1960" PostId="1656" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 The question was only open for a few hours, which is hardly enough time to get a &quot;great&quot; answer, and the mediocre quality of answers that a question has should not determine if the question itself gets closed or deleted. In addition, the questions are definitely not duplicates, so although the answers in the 2nd question may be related, they're not specific to the scenario explained the question the way Jim's answer is." CreationDate="2013-01-18T20:56:28.767" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1961" PostId="1656" Score="1" Text="Julie, I appreciate the edit to your answer and that you don't want to unilaterally go against the community's wishes, however I cannot vote to undelete since I can't see the question, and I'm not sure how many users on this site can view deleted questions or will find it. I can't help but wonder if this had something to do with the user that posted the question, because of a [comment made in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7736822#7736822). We should be judging questions by their quality, not by the &quot;greatness&quot; of their answers or by the user that posted the question." CreationDate="2013-01-18T20:58:10.527" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1962" PostId="1656" Score="1" Text="@Rachel You could make a meta post specifically about undeleting it, which would point people to it who might otherwise not know, and if 3 of the 40 with 2K or more rep see it and agree, there you go!" CreationDate="2013-01-18T21:17:44.793" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="1963" PostId="1656" Score="1" Text="@jcmeloni Thanks, I may do that. I wanted to understand *why* it was deleted in the first place because I didn't want to be trying to undelete a question that had been deleted for a valid reason, such as the OP requesting it to be deleted. I also wanted to know if I was missing something about when I should be voting to delete (I can vote to delete on 2 other SE sites). I am hoping someone can explain here why it was deleted, or better yet, that one of the original 3 that voted to delete would speak up and explain why they voted to delete it." CreationDate="2013-01-18T21:21:22.110" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1964" PostId="1656" Score="1" Text="OP did not request to delete it, and the vote-to-delete threshold is 2K (it's the [access to moderator tools](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/privileges/moderator-tools) level, which isn't clear when viewing the privileges page.)" CreationDate="2013-01-18T21:40:34.543" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="9897" PostId="1659" Score="0" Text="So, all questions with more than 15 answers are automatically made CW?" CreationDate="2016-08-24T08:23:26.973" UserId="49564" />
  <row Id="10073" PostId="1659" Score="1" Text="No, we don't automatically CW anything anymore, @Fiksdal. This is an old, old post reflecting an old, old thing we tried here. For what we finally ended up doing, see: https://blog.stackoverflow.com/2014/04/changes-and-guidelines-for-the-protected-question-status/" CreationDate="2016-09-28T17:06:57.633" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="10074" PostId="1659" Score="0" Text="Thanks for letting me know!" CreationDate="2016-09-28T17:24:57.773" UserId="49564" />
  <row Id="1974" PostId="1660" Score="1" Text="Thanks for putting this together enderland with so much detail. I'll see if I can take a look at this later this evening but am tied up at the moment. ;)" CreationDate="2013-01-21T01:32:26.100" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="1976" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="Your analysis doesn't cover matters of presentation. If, say, an answer &quot;combining&quot; some parts of previously posted ones, presents the things in a way superior to &quot;prior art&quot;, what would be your take on this?" CreationDate="2013-01-21T10:57:55.947" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1981" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="@gnat - On the whole it should be a new answer.  If the answer is just a remix of previous answers with out adding value to them it is still a just remix.  And the answer should explain why the remix is right where the individual answers were not sufficient by them selves." CreationDate="2013-01-21T20:07:44.963" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1982" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="@Chad that's what I am asking about. Could presentation be considered as added value? As for remix, how could author know that, are they assumed to always check everything that has been posted before? if yes, how thoroughly?" CreationDate="2013-01-21T22:34:31.257" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1983" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="...don't get me wrong I'll DV the unattributed remix the instant I recognize it. But if, say, I see handful of wall-of-texts and vague remarks contrasted with an answer that is clear, accurate, easy to read and understand, the last thing I'd do would be analyzing whether it somehow (intentionally or not) repeats what was stated before" CreationDate="2013-01-22T08:08:58.677" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1984" PostId="1660" Score="2" Text="@gnat - I agree that a good answer is always a good answer.  And I do not think we are trying to go after the good answers that repeat something some one else said.  Most of these are at least going to explain why better.  That is adding value." CreationDate="2013-01-22T14:22:08.627" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1985" PostId="1660" Score="1" Text="@gnat if we solve the problem of mediocre answers not addressing the problem or doing so in a really poor fashion (ie not matching the FAQ quality requirements) then I'll worry about answers which just shameless aim for rep by copying existing answers." CreationDate="2013-01-22T14:35:52.590" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1986" PostId="1660" Score="0" Text="@enderland that makes good sense - thanks for explaining" CreationDate="2013-01-22T15:54:26.393" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1987" PostId="1661" Score="6" Text="Thanks Chad :) I'm accepting your answer as it appears to correctly answer my question about *why* the question was deleted, but I want to also state that I do not agree with deleting an OK question just because a &quot;troll&quot; posted it. We should be judging questions by the question content alone, and the person who posted the question should not have any impact on how you treat it." CreationDate="2013-01-22T16:50:14.643" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="1988" PostId="1661" Score="3" Text="@Rachel - It was a broken window and needed to be fixed.  If the question were decent it would not have been closed in the first place, and I would not have voted to delete it." CreationDate="2013-01-22T16:54:03.643" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="1995" PostId="1662" Score="1" Text="**&quot;voting if the person...&quot;** as far as I can tell this is dangerously slippery, no matter if you vote up or down. Stack Exchange expects one to vote on post content but never on person" CreationDate="2013-01-23T09:18:20.870" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="1996" PostId="1662" Score="0" Text="I meant the post. Apologies for the confusion, corrected." CreationDate="2013-01-23T09:24:16.537" UserId="3405" />
  <row Id="1997" PostId="1662" Score="7" Text="Arrrg I could not disagree more! I want EVERY mediocre answer to receive a downvote (with a comment explaining why) *first* so that there is a &quot;oh, I should fix this&quot; incentive. I want people to feel the standard here is good answers - not mediocre/bad/meh/off topic answers. Not hitting them with a DV initially supports the opposite." CreationDate="2013-01-23T15:08:59.943" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="1998" PostId="1662" Score="0" Text="Updated my post above. Do we down vote now when we disagree with someone? Is that how it works here?" CreationDate="2013-01-23T15:43:45.980" UserId="3405" />
  <row Id="1999" PostId="1662" Score="3" Text="Yah - meta is a bit different. Up/Downvotes here are more &quot;agree/disagree&quot;" CreationDate="2013-01-23T15:46:46.440" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2000" PostId="1662" Score="0" Text="`Now a better response, would have just to ask for clarification or &quot;can you clean it up so it matches our rules?&quot;` I'm not sure how that is different than my comment [here](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/8819/how-to-convince-colleagues-about-my-point-of-view-in-a-meeting/8829#comment17396_8829)" CreationDate="2013-01-23T15:48:26.253" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2002" PostId="1662" Score="0" Text="@enderland. It's different because a comment is flagged to the user and they can act on it. A down vote on the other hand penalises the person who is posting (lowers score, can disable privileges). It isn't a big deal if you have been around a while, but for new users it can illicit a negative response." CreationDate="2013-01-23T15:50:11.690" UserId="3405" />
  <row Id="2003" PostId="1662" Score="1" Text="This is why I said `with a comment explaining why` - I rarely DV stuff without comments - except in &quot;obvious&quot; cases - and I almost always remove the DV when people address my comments (as in the case of the linked answer you added)." CreationDate="2013-01-23T15:53:13.497" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2004" PostId="1662" Score="0" Text="let us [continue this discussion in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/7223/discussion-between-enderland-and-simon-odoherty)" CreationDate="2013-01-23T15:55:34.800" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2005" PostId="1662" Score="0" Text="Right. So for a new user it comes across &quot;I am punishing you unless you listen to me&quot;. Where as just the comment on it's own would illicit a more positive response. I'd say if you still want to DV, then do the comment first then wait a day before the DV." CreationDate="2013-01-23T15:56:59.947" UserId="3405" />
  <row Id="2006" PostId="1662" Score="0" Text="In my experience so far nearly 100% of people have modified answers when there is a DV/comment and nearly no one modifies them if it's just a comment (and I've done this a TON :P)" CreationDate="2013-01-23T15:58:05.787" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2009" PostId="1662" Score="4" Text="`Bad questions aren't just closed.` SO totally does just close some, and they're often deleted to boot. Things should be improved to be sure, but downvotes indicating &quot;this could be better&quot; are a big part of driving the improvement" CreationDate="2013-01-23T17:30:26.947" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2016" PostId="1662" Score="1" Text="The irony of the amount of downvotes on this is bittersweet. Though i agree to some extent that what votes are to be used for isnt really defined anywhere and people go about it each in their own way" CreationDate="2013-01-25T16:35:54.863" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2019" PostId="1662" Score="2" Text="The FAQ on Meta WPB says that down votes mean you disagee, it isn't used here that it would be on WPB. And while myself and enderland disagree on actions, we agree on the reasons of the intent (to improve discussion)." CreationDate="2013-01-25T19:08:26.323" UserId="3405" />
  <row Id="2743" PostId="1662" Score="2" Text="I've been thinking about this some and am unsure if I am quite as opposed, now. There is definitely something about the &quot;new to a SE and then get downvoted&quot; feeling of annoyance." CreationDate="2013-06-16T02:22:50.340" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2007" PostId="1663" Score="0" Text="While, generally speaking, you're correct, I think you missed the point of this question - what can we do to reword *this particular question* to be able to reopen it. There's no reason to start a new question if there's a 1:1 mapping (and, in fact, there's actually good reason *not* to: getting it closed as a duplicate)." CreationDate="2013-01-23T16:14:14.733" UserId="79" />
  <row Id="2011" PostId="1664" Score="0" Text="to find if there's a place for particular kind OT questions, try asking in [meta-tag:chat] or search / ask at [site-rec tag at MSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/site-rec)" CreationDate="2013-01-24T09:18:47.363" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2012" PostId="1664" Score="1" Text="I don't think that question is off-topic. It may be asking about a job function, however that job function is part of an HR department's job, which I believe makes it on-topic. That line in the FAQ was originally put there because people were asking about other job functions, such as how to accomplish an IT-specific job function." CreationDate="2013-01-24T12:55:44.777" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2014" PostId="1669" Score="1" Text="There's a variety of ways to do links, but that way is by far easiest imo" CreationDate="2013-01-25T16:05:26.293" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2015" PostId="1670" Score="2" Text="Does [tag:resignation] not work?" CreationDate="2013-01-25T16:35:32.140" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2017" PostId="1670" Score="1" Text="@Rarity I guess I don't see why not (unless of course you are killed in a tragic accident rather than resigning...) - guess I didn't see that one" CreationDate="2013-01-25T16:37:20.020" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2018" PostId="1671" Score="3" Text="If you can think of other terms, add them and propose a synonym.  It always sucks having tags people can't think of." CreationDate="2013-01-25T17:25:33.623" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2020" PostId="1671" Score="0" Text="@NickC I wasn't sure what to do at all not sure even on this. Maybe I'll add [tag:leaving-job] as a synonym" CreationDate="2013-01-25T20:57:33.867" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2021" PostId="1671" Score="0" Text="leaving-job and quitting maybe. Possibly termination but perhaps that should be more for the management side not the side of the employee who's leaving?" CreationDate="2013-01-27T17:27:17.887" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2027" PostId="1671" Score="0" Text="We also have some on specific aspects of leaving a job - like knowledge-transfer is in there." CreationDate="2013-01-29T16:01:25.370" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="2022" PostId="1673" Score="3" Text="You should remove the &quot;work&quot; tag, too :)" CreationDate="2013-01-28T20:19:30.223" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2024" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@enderland You're right. I should've done that (along with a couple other minor edits and a comment) before locking it. I'll take care of those now." CreationDate="2013-01-28T20:53:33.357" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2025" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@Rarity and I blitzed all the other uses of [tag:work] and got rid of them, but couldn't get it on that one :)" CreationDate="2013-01-28T20:57:58.107" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2026" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="Must've barely missed it." CreationDate="2013-01-29T01:34:00.753" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2029" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="What about making it a Community Wiki instead of locking it? That was the original purpose of auto-CW after 15 edits - to prevent users from &quot;bumping&quot; repeatedly for more rep. Locking it stops all future interactions with the question, such as votes, comments, etc." CreationDate="2013-01-29T17:00:34.203" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2030" PostId="1673" Score="1" Text="@Rachel It will reach CW if edits continue once it is unlocked (temporary lock expiring in a few days). The lock is not permanent, just to allow it to come off the front page and attention to drift away. I've left [a comment](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/7367/how-can-i-remain-productive-increase-my-productivity-while-working-rotating-shif#comment18683_7367) explaining the situation. My hope is that if Vicky wants to bump it for more attention, it will be through legitimate edits or a bounty." CreationDate="2013-01-29T17:09:08.030" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2031" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@Jim Ok, I wasn't aware it was a temp lock that expires on its own :)" CreationDate="2013-01-29T17:27:00.090" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2032" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@Rachel Yes. There is some (small) text within the lock message box saying when the lock expires." CreationDate="2013-01-29T17:32:53.177" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2041" PostId="1673" Score="0" Text="@Jim I think that's only viewable by moderators - I wasn't able to see it when it was there" CreationDate="2013-02-02T03:50:20.127" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2035" PostId="1674" Score="1" Text="I suspect this is going to come down to a question about protecting yourself against plagerism which is more in your court than ours.  If question gets improved and you still do not want it I can see migrating that question here.  But not the current version" CreationDate="2013-01-30T14:37:23.477" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2036" PostId="1675" Score="1" Text="I agree. The answer is either &quot;ask your employer&quot; or a complicated legal answer." CreationDate="2013-01-30T15:48:26.910" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2037" PostId="1675" Score="0" Text="Not just a laywer, but also it's an &quot;it depends&quot; as sometimes corporations have policies for this and so it can vary quite a bit." CreationDate="2013-01-30T15:51:48.543" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="2038" PostId="1675" Score="0" Text="@beth- can you post that as an answer so people can vote on it.  If there is support for migrating, then we can migrate.  The post may also need to be rephrased so it isn't too localized." CreationDate="2013-01-30T20:23:32.037" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2039" PostId="1675" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the answers/comments! I guess that for now, the question will stay closed on Ac.SE." CreationDate="2013-01-30T21:31:07.647" UserId="7498" />
  <row Id="2040" PostId="1677" Score="4" Text="The question, at least as I read it, seems too broad and hypothetical. Also your first point about it generating discussion it's actually a bad thing. We prefer questions that can be definitely answered, not discussed. This is probably why people at that other SE site you participate tend to downvote answers that don't directly answer the question, SE sites are Q&amp;A sites, not discussion boards." CreationDate="2013-02-02T02:54:21.737" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2043" PostId="1677" Score="0" Text="I don't think anyone has ever put it that concretely before... That its not about discussion, it's about answers. It explains a lot. Thx." CreationDate="2013-02-02T06:19:59.700" UserId="5596" />
  <row Id="2044" PostId="1677" Score="0" Text="Hi Monsto, based on the very valuable feedback you've received here on meta, you can edit your post on the main site to make it more concrete. Questions that are closed *can* be fixed and reopened by the community. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-02-02T08:06:34.920" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2042" PostId="1678" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure where you get hostile and arrogant. I asked a base question, called no one out, asked about the and the rules while following the required general process. What was hostile and arrogant?" CreationDate="2013-02-02T06:17:52.100" UserId="5596" />
  <row Id="2045" PostId="1678" Score="1" Text="@monsto read your question. Assume you are someone who is on this Q/A site because they like helping people with questions. Ask yourself how such a person (like me) would react to the tone, wording, and overall attitude in your post." CreationDate="2013-02-03T20:29:47.553" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2131" PostId="1679" Score="0" Text="it wasn't even a gratuitous use of cursing.  This isn't serious, is it?" CreationDate="2013-02-20T19:51:28.693" UserId="1685" />
  <row Id="2047" PostId="1680" Score="0" Text="The question is to localized and should still be closed that 3 people choose dup is irrelavent to the fact that this is to localized" CreationDate="2013-02-04T19:18:46.047" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2048" PostId="1680" Score="3" Text="@Chad it's not irrelevant, because of what Rachel put in her answer - duplicates now auto-link to the different question." CreationDate="2013-02-04T19:25:38.590" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2046" PostId="1681" Score="2" Text="`hich is one reason why we only close as duplicate for exact duplicates, and not just similar questions.` indeed" CreationDate="2013-02-04T15:05:26.690" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2049" PostId="1682" Score="3" Text="I'm afraid this is one of those that should be left to die. Interesting question, but too vague and broad to work in the Q&amp;A format of the site." CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:32:19.573" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2050" PostId="1682" Score="1" Text="I am very interested in seeing answers to that question, so hope the community is able to pull through and salvage it :)" CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:33:16.413" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2051" PostId="1682" Score="1" Text="It should also be noted that this question was [cross-posted on Programmers](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/q/185784/1130), and they have a [meta post](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/q/5508/1130) about it as well. The revision history for both is a bit different, and the current Programmers version is sitting at *&quot;Is it reasonable to expect all the items on the “Programmers Bill of Rights”?&quot;*, which I think is what the OP is ultimately trying to learn." CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:36:08.007" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2052" PostId="1682" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - in that case, is it better to leave this one closed and direct them back to that question?" CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:38:01.570" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="2058" PostId="1682" Score="0" Text="@AdamV One of the answers to their meta question is to migrate it here. Sounds like both sides just don't want to deal with the question, so are trying to push it to another site. If I had my way, I'd leave them both open. They're fairly different now, and although the questions aren't spectacular, they're not terrible either and appear to be generating some useful information (At least, the Workplace one is. Programmers version got closed before it got any answers) :)" CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:49:54.263" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2060" PostId="1682" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - I would love to see some version of Rev 2 here.  I would even like to see your version as a different quesiton.  I think that the question is a better fit there but if they do not want it then I think we should try and fix it." CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:57:54.683" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2084" PostId="1682" Score="0" Text="I don't think it should be saved. Even if it were rewritten, we have enough questions on &quot;how can i get my company to give me more stuff?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-02-08T13:56:37.390" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="2055" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="I do not think that is the right solution to this question.  The question is how to do you get your employer to sign on to the bill of rights as a whole.  While you could argue that any one is better than none, the idea is that we should always have these in full.  Breaking them down into 1 at a time defeats the bill of rights aspect of the question." CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:40:19.543" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2056" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="@Chad - agreed, but I would think each individual question stands a better chance of staying open in that case." CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:41:24.553" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="2078" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="There are three categories in this &quot;bill of rights&quot; (equipment, noise, network), and a broad policy question (&quot;how do we get employers to do this?&quot;).  The approach might be different for each of these and we've already had noise questions that are relevant, so splitting this into three quesstions and ditching the &quot;bill of rights&quot; aspect (which is just packaging/marketing and one person's list, not anything formal) seems like the right solution to me.  Or, if the codification aspect is important, that's a fourth question." CreationDate="2013-02-05T16:33:30.093" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2080" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - That is another alternative.  Though I do not think it is right for this question.  This question was wanting to know about companies that have embraced the bill of rights.  That is as a whole  It is possible that 1-5 of them are acceptable but the 6th is not to a company, in that case the company has not embraced the bill of rights.  Those would be good questions though." CreationDate="2013-02-05T17:41:43.817" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2082" PostId="1683" Score="0" Text="If the question is specifically about embracing this bill of rights, it's too localized -- there's nothing special about this particular list.  If the question is about effecting change, then either (a) answers depend on the changes in question or (b) it's a general negotiation question, and this question isn't either of those.  So leaving *this* one closed, and letting the other arise if people care (some have already been asked), seems right to me." CreationDate="2013-02-05T18:17:58.913" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2054" PostId="1684" Score="1" Text="I think this would not be the question the OP was looking for." CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:39:33.643" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2057" PostId="1684" Score="0" Text="@Chad - agreed, but this might be a more Workplace-oriented question than the original question was." CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:42:32.740" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="2059" PostId="1684" Score="0" Text="I think changing a question just to have another open question on the site is the wrong tactic to take." CreationDate="2013-02-04T20:56:45.247" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2079" PostId="1684" Score="0" Text="That sounds too vague to me." CreationDate="2013-02-05T16:33:59.577" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2061" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="I do not expect we will hear back from the OP at this point but I hope I am wrong.  I think this is a good solution though." CreationDate="2013-02-04T21:12:52.490" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2066" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="@Chad If we don't hear back from the OP, then I'd just leave it the way it is and let the community judge if the current revision is good or not to be reopened by voting on it. The original version definitely should be closed, and at least now its a decent question :)" CreationDate="2013-02-05T13:01:13.960" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2067" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="I think that is the wrong decision." CreationDate="2013-02-05T15:38:24.703" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2068" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="@Chad If we don't hear back the the OP, would you rather roll it back and leave it closed? It should be noted the question was at -5 when the first revision was made, and is now at +2, so I think a decent number of users (compared to our population size and activity level) think it is a useful question." CreationDate="2013-02-05T15:43:19.697" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2069" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="Because this is a different question than was originally asked.  Yes this question is better but the edit was wrong.  It probably should have been rolled back immediately but I got chastized last time i did that.  The question should have come here before that edit.  We should delete that question.  If you want to know the answer to it then post that question yourself." CreationDate="2013-02-05T15:45:35.263" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2070" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="@Chad Hrrrm ok, guess we should just wait to hear back from the OP for now then :)" CreationDate="2013-02-05T15:46:34.223" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2071" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="I think we should roll it back and delete it at this point." CreationDate="2013-02-05T15:49:17.023" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2072" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="@Chad Don't give up and just delete the problem! At least give it a few days to see if the OP responds or if new answers appear here :)" CreationDate="2013-02-05T15:54:23.570" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2073" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="Having more bad content on the site is not a good thing." CreationDate="2013-02-05T16:00:43.243" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2074" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="@Chad Deleting a question just because you don't want to deal with it is also not a good thing. We're a community of users, and our process is to close unsuitable content, and give the OP a chance to edit and reopen it if possible. Deciding to delete a question because of a controversial edit or because it has caused too much discussion, while disregarding the fact the question content isn't actually bad, is probably more likely to drive users away than just having one bad question stick around for a few more days." CreationDate="2013-02-05T16:06:57.820" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2075" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="It is not that I do not want to deal with the question.  I am getting very annoyed with your characterization of my actions that way.  I do not want bad content on our site. It acts as a broken window.  This question was improperly edited.  It could have been saved back when... but it has been changed.  If you want to ask this question then ask it, I will probably upvote it.  Its not just about doing the right thing, it is about doing it the right way." CreationDate="2013-02-05T16:16:49.477" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2076" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="@Chad I'm sorry if I mischaracterized your actions. The whole deletion thing has me a bit fired up today because I had yet another question get deleted while I was attempting to get it reopened, which lead to me posting a new [MSO proposal](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/166329/158605) about an hour ago." CreationDate="2013-02-05T16:26:37.297" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2077" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="The question needs to be rolled back... which will result in getting negative votes.  That is why I want to delete it." CreationDate="2013-02-05T16:28:58.913" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2081" PostId="1685" Score="0" Text="FWIW I am more likely to cast a delete vote for a question with reopen votes that is still a bad question.  Than a question sitting in a closed state with no reopen votes, but with the potential to be saved." CreationDate="2013-02-05T17:43:21.740" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2062" PostId="1686" Score="0" Text="To be clear you are not suggesting editing this question into something related but not directly relevant to the original text are you?" CreationDate="2013-02-04T21:29:51.067" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2063" PostId="1686" Score="2" Text="@Chad I am not. I don't see a way to edit this question into a &quot;appropriate&quot; question here without making huge assumptions about the asker's intent" CreationDate="2013-02-04T21:43:45.300" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2086" PostId="1688" Score="0" Text="5 Years is exactly the one I had in mind :o)" CreationDate="2013-02-08T19:42:36.337" UserId="6030" />
  <row Id="2087" PostId="1689" Score="0" Text="I got a similar problem at the same time, except i got a page saying, sorry the site is having problems as such it is only in read only mode, or something to that effect" CreationDate="2013-02-09T21:24:31.623" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2088" PostId="1689" Score="2" Text="@RhysW: If you ran into that in the last few hours, it's a different issue, caused by the migration to the New York data center. I saw the missing questions problem before that migration started." CreationDate="2013-02-09T21:29:30.620" UserId="237" />
  <row Id="2089" PostId="1689" Score="1" Text="It was a result of the data center move, network wide temporary outages: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/166885/sites-tags-are-intermittently-devoid-of-questions" CreationDate="2013-02-12T16:58:50.967" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2090" PostId="1689" Score="0" Text="@Rarity: I *thought* it happened before the move started, but I could be mistaken (and it's probably not worth exploring further unless it happens again)." CreationDate="2013-02-12T18:07:58.753" UserId="237" />
  <row Id="2094" PostId="1692" Score="2" Text="I usually try to put &quot;if you can't change things, I'd quit&quot; in a comment instead of an answer, though at least once that's turned into a large comment discussion." CreationDate="2013-02-13T17:12:15.387" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="2097" PostId="1692" Score="2" Text="See also [Should I Quit?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/441/should-i-quit)" CreationDate="2013-02-13T20:06:30.770" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2945" PostId="1692" Score="7" Text="I disagree with the assumption that &quot;quit&quot; isn't ever a solution to a problem. Tilting at windmills might work sometimes, but other times quitting is far more practical. Also, see: http://www.freakonomics.com/2011/09/30/new-freakonomics-radio-podcast-the-upside-of-quitting/" CreationDate="2013-08-09T20:05:19.860" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2946" PostId="1692" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere i agree sometimes it is the only solution, but when there is a plethora of possibble other things to try first it annoys me when its the only suggested solution" CreationDate="2013-08-09T21:24:54.450" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2092" PostId="1693" Score="0" Text="Perhaps picked a bad example of an answer, that was just the one i noticed first. Agreed it shouldnt be a rule, wanted to get a community consensus though on how we should be dealing with them and whether they qualify as answers. Thanks for the input!" CreationDate="2013-02-13T14:36:50.673" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2093" PostId="1693" Score="10" Text="Great answer!  I agree completely, some situations are so helplessly bad that quitting is the only way to make anything better.  Any answer that doesn't explain WHY that is the best course of action though should be deleted IMHO." CreationDate="2013-02-13T15:16:28.053" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="2122" PostId="1695" Score="8" Text="Sometimes quitting *is* the right answer, even when people do not want to hear it. Perhaps it is more obvious in other contexts: If a girl would tell you that her boyfriend beats her, and ask how can she make him more happy because she does not want to leave him, what would you recommend? I would recommend leaving him. Even when she does not want to hear it. Perhaps if enough people say this, she will start considering it as an option. Analogically, sometimes the conditions in the workplace are obviously abusive, but the employee believes that it's his/her fault. The correct answer is: Quit." CreationDate="2013-02-18T15:41:26.957" UserId="3137" />
  <row Id="2123" PostId="1695" Score="3" Text="@ViliamBúr - Maybe but people do not come here to be told to quit... or at least they should not be.  They are looking for answers on how they can deal with an issue constructively with out having to get a new job.  This is not dear abby this is how can I navigate my work more effectively." CreationDate="2013-02-18T19:08:56.423" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2124" PostId="1695" Score="13" Text="I disagree. If you were to argue that &quot;you should quit&quot; is tossed around more frequently and glibly than it should be, you might well be correct. But to say that &quot;you should quit&quot; is never an answer ignores whole realms of unethical, pathological and illegal behaviour that I've seen people complain about from their employers. In plenty of these cases &quot;get out - *now!*&quot; really **is** the right advice." CreationDate="2013-02-19T11:19:10.433" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="16463" PostId="1695" Score="0" Text="@Carson63000 eh, I tend to agree that if quitting were an option then there would be no need to ask the question in most cases. Of course quitting technically solves many workplace problems, but it goes without saying. Unless it's the *only* option in response to a problem, then I don't think it's worth more than a footnote in most answers." CreationDate="2018-09-17T16:18:45.003" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16469" PostId="1695" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle - Is there really a need to comment reply to a 5+ year old comment?" CreationDate="2018-09-17T17:39:27.583" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16470" PostId="1695" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings well, when an issue seems unresolved and I see the only answer I agree with at -6, I say &quot;maybe&quot;." CreationDate="2018-09-17T17:40:45.590" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="2095" PostId="1696" Score="0" Text="Why do you think it cannot be saved and should not be reopened?" CreationDate="2013-02-13T19:52:45.790" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2096" PostId="1696" Score="1" Text="It is a discussion question and no changes to the question will ever change that without completely changing the question." CreationDate="2013-02-13T19:53:24.163" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2100" PostId="1697" Score="0" Text="I find those terms above an agreeable reasoning. Provided they evidence why. i still fear we will get alot of 'just quit' answers, hopefully the community downvotes will soon make people learn though!" CreationDate="2013-02-14T19:48:36.587" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2101" PostId="1697" Score="1" Text="@RhysW - Remember, there's always flags for those answers that seriously don't meet the guidelines and where comments and/or downvotes are ineffective." CreationDate="2013-02-15T01:41:41.273" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="8522" PostId="1697" Score="0" Text="@rath - I was reading a lot of RFC specs at the time of this writing, which explains the judicious use of these keywords." CreationDate="2016-03-24T12:29:58.987" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="23637" PostId="1697" Score="0" Text="Quitting your job is problematic ONLY because too little people do quit their jobs for random reasons. It's because you are afraid to quit your jobs.&#xA;The biggest reason for having problems with quitting your job is, having too little money stocked in your accounts, and having too many costs/liabilities, such as cars, loans or dependents, while having too little financial muscle." CreationDate="2023-04-17T15:38:35.833" UserId="137937" />
  <row Id="2098" PostId="1698" Score="0" Text="Would an edit specifying that it is looking for generic questions to ask when evaluating a job that would be the same regardless of location, personality, industry, etc make it an OK StackExchange question? I believe that was the OP's intent, as they did not include any specifics in their question, and that is what Pap's answer covers." CreationDate="2013-02-13T21:05:02.247" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2099" PostId="1698" Score="2" Text="@Rachel Doesn't that violate the principle of &quot;no questions looking for lists of answers&quot;?  This is such a **giant** topic, I don't see how one answer could give a reasonable starting point without fewer variables." CreationDate="2013-02-13T21:34:53.717" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2111" PostId="1700" Score="1" Text="Kind of related, from Hermeneutics: http://meta.hermeneutics.stackexchange.com/a/451/208 .  This is a relgion site so &quot;right&quot; takes on new meanings there, but many of the points in that answer seem relevant here too." CreationDate="2013-02-15T17:12:57.940" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2114" PostId="1700" Score="3" Text="[this suggestion contains the answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1627/we-need-to-downvote-answers-more-even-mediocre-ones). Not enough people have low tolerance for mediocre answers, so we get a ton." CreationDate="2013-02-15T18:26:35.930" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2206" PostId="1700" Score="0" Text="Down voted because the question is vague." CreationDate="2013-03-12T19:56:42.803" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="2103" PostId="1701" Score="0" Text="+1 i always seem to forget about the moderators and their additional powers, dont take it personally! :P" CreationDate="2013-02-15T14:24:04.610" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2104" PostId="1701" Score="0" Text="Most of what's needed can be done by non-mods with enough rep; moderators' additional magical powers are for those extreme cases that can't be handled with the standard priveleges. As Jeff Atwood [put it](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation/), &quot;moderators are human exception handlers&quot;." CreationDate="2013-02-15T14:29:01.867" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2108" PostId="1701" Score="2" Text="@RhysW - Generally, if community users flag a post, one of us may apply a post notice if we think a user may improve his/her post. If other users have left helpful comments already, and the answers haven't been improved in a timely manner, we'll sometimes just go ahead and delete them if we can't improve them. So, community involvement *definitely* helps streamline the process. :)" CreationDate="2013-02-15T15:00:04.827" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2105" PostId="1702" Score="1" Text="+1 that comment and the ones i  posted myself on the same answer is what pushed me into this line of thinking in the firs tplace" CreationDate="2013-02-15T14:30:21.763" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2106" PostId="1702" Score="2" Text="Hi gnat, I feel like starting the comment off with &quot;downvoted&quot; or &quot;-1&quot; tends to make people feel defensive, which means they stop learning. Instead, I  suggest giving the author advice on how to improve the post and then explain that we prefer answers that are backed up. You could even suggest possible explanations if you think you know where they're coming from. This is a great way to motivate people to comply with the rules, to also be helpful, and all without making them feel like they've been attacked, which is easily misinterpreted on the Internet. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-02-15T14:55:08.093" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2107" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 thanks for pointing that out - corrected comment &quot;template&quot;. &quot;downvoted because&quot; has leaked in from most recent use, where it was added in order to address the question [&quot;why downvote&quot;](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/9710/when-a-recruiter-asks-what-other-companies-youre-interviewing-with/9711#comment20299_9711)" CreationDate="2013-02-15T14:58:39.367" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2109" PostId="1702" Score="2" Text="Hey @gnat, how do you feel about something like this: &quot;Hi User, welcome to the Workplace SE. Because of the nature of our topic, we look for answers that are backed up by facts, references, or specific expertise in the form of shared experiences that happened to you personally. I'd suggest an `[edit]` to your post to include this information, which will help encourage more upvotes, give readers more confidence that this is the right answer, and discourage downvotes/comply with our `[faq]`.&quot;   Please feel free to take this comment and improve upon it. :)" CreationDate="2013-02-15T15:02:39.610" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2110" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 well your _translation_ of &quot;blatantly violates&quot; would likely have better effect, that's a good catch. Though I wouldn't use &quot;your template&quot; as is, for the reasons we [discussed with Anna Lear here](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7630193#7630193 &quot;in Whiteboard chat&quot;): it could confuse reader by misrepresenting officially stated policy as my personal opinion. That's why I would definitely stick to faq quote in comments like that, &quot;back up friendly message with authoritative reference&quot;" CreationDate="2013-02-15T15:18:46.757" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2112" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="@Jmort253 - I think something stronger with a little more teeth than *we look for* is appropriate." CreationDate="2013-02-15T17:42:31.630" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2113" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="@Chad well in my experience so far, _gentle_ pressure (of course sufficiently loaded with authoritative reference) used to work better than _hard_ one - in the sense that addressed posters were adopting to community norms faster and more often. And in the same time it didn't make any difference in cases when downvoting / deletion / closure were necessary (for example, you wouldn't hold a downvote just because complaint against the post is spelled politely, would you?:)" CreationDate="2013-02-15T18:18:22.777" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2115" PostId="1702" Score="2" Text="@GNAT - I think the wording of we look for implies that this is an optional, maybe even personal, standard.  We should be conveying that it is not is all.  I am not saying it should be rude.  Just that the wording should convey that this is a non-optional site standard.  I think I would use Jmorts wording with the exception of replacing the words we look for with we require and including a link to the back it up rule." CreationDate="2013-02-15T18:31:48.143" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2116" PostId="1702" Score="0" Text="@Chad ah! I see. &quot;We look for&quot; feels slippery to me too, thanks for explaining. That's why I really prefer quoting and referring faq; it feels strong enough to me (see **bold text quote** in my answer). When I mentioned _gentle vs hard_ I meant only my personal additions surrounding that reference, like &quot;as far as I can tell&quot; vs &quot;blatantly violates&quot; etc" CreationDate="2013-02-15T18:39:33.183" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2117" PostId="1702" Score="2" Text="IMO the single most important reason for that FAQ section to exist is so that people can freely (and without guilt) downvote posts that explain nothing." CreationDate="2013-02-15T20:45:45.273" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2118" PostId="1702" Score="1" Text="@Chad - That sounds like a good argument to me. I encourage experimentation with the wording in comments to see what works and what doesn't." CreationDate="2013-02-15T23:50:55.797" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2119" PostId="1702" Score="1" Text="Hi @gnat, I like your edited version. It clearly makes the point and states the rules, yet still comes off as helpful and encouraging." CreationDate="2013-02-16T04:11:48.387" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2125" PostId="1704" Score="1" Text="I remember that question (you cited in tiny fonts) and I think you did well on that. Frankly, I see nothing wrong with that Q&amp;A. If people give spammy answers, we can downvote them. The mods can also take action. I am not familiar with Programmers SE. I am also active on Academia SE. They welcome answers backup by references. If we want to find out the facts, we want to know what others already did so that we won't re-invent the wheels." CreationDate="2013-02-20T08:09:35.547" UserId="1193" />
  <row Id="2126" PostId="1704" Score="0" Text="in my experience, treatment you suggest for _spammy answers_  (downvotes and mods intervention) mean a bit too much effort to be justified by value brought by resource-request questions. Way too often these are more like glorified google searches" CreationDate="2013-02-20T09:41:31.900" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2127" PostId="1704" Score="0" Text="The OP of that question did say _I've been looking for some time now, but unable to find anything,_ I tried to search for him(for my curiosity), did not find useful info neither." CreationDate="2013-02-20T09:47:37.263" UserId="1193" />
  <row Id="2128" PostId="1704" Score="0" Text="@scaaahu &quot;failed to find&quot; part in the question looks troublesome to me; am I supposed (like you did) to verify myself whether OP invested effort or this is just a lame excuse for gimmeresearch? When I see claims like this I expect at the very least that OP would post what search engines, sites and search phrases they tried" CreationDate="2013-02-20T10:19:19.580" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2129" PostId="1704" Score="0" Text="Untrusting a user is not a good enough reason to close a question. I always assume innocence until proven otherwiese." CreationDate="2013-02-20T11:11:47.440" UserId="1193" />
  <row Id="2130" PostId="1704" Score="0" Text="@scaaahu sure. Closing isn't a matter of _trust_, it should be done only per specified [close reasons](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/close-reasons/info &quot;what's this&quot;), I am talking strictly from this perspective. Bare _failedtofind_ in the question means that answerer is forced to do extra job at studying and verifying (often, _guessing_) what is asked; this matches [not a real question](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/not-a-real-question/info) reason: &quot;**difficult** to tell what is being asked here&quot;" CreationDate="2013-02-20T12:33:02.500" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2133" PostId="1705" Score="0" Text="@jmort1253 Your answer _the answers should still contain explanations and substance._ indicates that you're worried about the answers. Please note that we closed the question without seeing the answers yet. Once there is an answer(s), we can ask the answerer to provide explanation. _I can't help but think that there has to be a real reason why the asker is asking for these references_ indicates that you doubt the motive behind the question." CreationDate="2013-02-21T03:57:29.530" UserId="1193" />
  <row Id="2138" PostId="1705" Score="1" Text="Hi @scaahu, I believe there's a deeper question that the asker is trying to answer, and knowing the deeper question would be more valuable. Thus, that deeper question is what he/she should ask here on our Q&amp;A site. Otherwise, we'd be inviting either poll type answers, or answers in the form of a discussion since it's not clear why this is important or what real, actual problem this solves for the asker or future visitors. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2013-02-21T13:41:03.473" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2205" PostId="1710" Score="1" Text="You've put your finger on one of my pet peeves about this otherwise useful site.  Most of the questions here cannot be answered without some knowledge of the culture of the workplace in question.  Even if the OP makes the incorrect assumption that everyone works in the U.S.A., there are significant regional differences here as well.  I do think that the FAQ should have some sort of guidance on this issue." CreationDate="2013-03-12T19:54:36.723" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="2383" PostId="1710" Score="2" Text="I see another bias in the site: almost all answers are given by/ and useful for those who work in an &quot;anglosphere&quot; firm." CreationDate="2013-04-08T17:23:20.530" UserId="2285" />
  <row Id="2576" PostId="1710" Score="0" Text="While I love your idea I do not think these are actually appropriate for the FAQ... though I think they should be." CreationDate="2013-05-08T13:30:38.993" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14786" PostId="1710" Score="1" Text="Downvoting because of &quot;Like it or not, the presumed cultural context of this site is likely that of a generic American office.&quot; which implies that this attitude is somehow ok. In other words, Americans don't need to specify their location, but people from other countries have to do so. The Workplace is an international site, not an American site." CreationDate="2018-02-24T17:46:49.770" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="2143" PostId="1711" Score="0" Text="@Rarity ah didn't notice that, thankyou, plus i like the reference to 'There's an App for that' even if it was unintentional ;)" CreationDate="2013-02-27T14:58:24.070" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2146" PostId="1712" Score="1" Text="I would love to have culturally labeled answers and non-culturally ambiguous questions, but at the end of the day, each question would then require the first comment to be, &quot;What culture are you working in?&quot; which means it should just be a required field, no? The required field could have a default based on IP address or the like which could save some headaches, but at the end of the day either it is mandatory (and should be  built-in to the UI), needs to be asked each time, or it needs to be assumed." CreationDate="2013-02-27T23:19:24.263" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2148" PostId="1712" Score="0" Text="I agree but its going the wrong way about it, we shouldnt be seeking culture specific questions , we should be seeking culture non specific answers. And yeah everyone will assume, but they assume its their OWN culture, which will give a variety of answers that will help a greater proportion of people" CreationDate="2013-02-27T23:30:49.123" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2149" PostId="1712" Score="1" Text="Which is why having an FAQ stating &quot;this is the default&quot; will at least inform people that they can (a) be specific about their culture, or (b) not be specific and have the above be assumed. And all questions are by nature culture-specific. There are very few questions which will have the same answer in the US/Western Europe/Eastern Europe/Asia/Africa (speaking as someone who's worked in 4 out of 5 of those places)." CreationDate="2013-02-27T23:35:59.707" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2147" PostId="1713" Score="0" Text="There is going to be a majority culture represented on this site. It is in English. It is on the internet. That greatly limits access for a majority of cultures on the planet. We can assume UK, or Australia, or Canada, or India if you'd like, but these are all very different cultures that require different focuses. I myself have been in Southeast Asia for 10 years, and am not advocating something easier for myself. At the end of the day, *people will assume* if there is no default stated, and that's why I believe stating the default will lessen confusion." CreationDate="2013-02-27T23:21:54.417" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2150" PostId="1713" Score="2" Text="Hi @jmac, I'm sure people do make assumptions, and that's just human nature; however, we can't take an official stance on supporting an official locale on The Workplace SE, as that contradicts the global nature of Stack Exchange. I really appreciate you bringing up this issue and encourage you to keep coming up with ideas and possible solutions! :)" CreationDate="2013-02-28T04:52:01.223" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2151" PostId="1713" Score="1" Text="I'm all for the global nature of SE. And I believe that should be promoted. And I'm certainly not suggesting to moderate/regulate on the basis of a single cultural view. If it isn't possible to take an official stance, could we at least add a caveat such as &quot;Despite its global nature, X% of our users visit from (list of main countries) and approach many problems from that context as a default. We encourage you to be clear about your cultural context, especially in cases where it differs from those X%.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-02-28T05:54:02.040" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2152" PostId="1713" Score="0" Text="I have to agree with jmort253 we cant take an official 'default' stance or it WILL be misinterpreted by some in the wrong way, and its just not worth it given the large reach of sites like this. Should SO assume a default programming language? should travel assume a default location? should rpg assume a default game? given that this site is based on culture (of the workplace) we cant assume a default one" CreationDate="2013-02-28T09:11:35.473" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2153" PostId="1713" Score="1" Text="@jmac - I could see possibly adding something encouraging askers and answerers to keep cultural context in mind, as this could get people thinking about how their perspective may be different. However, in terms of listing percentages of traffic from country X, there are two challenges I see: First, those numbers could shift over time and become outdated. Second, they could add more bias to any assumptions that may or may not already exist." CreationDate="2013-02-28T17:27:25.297" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2154" PostId="1713" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 From my perspective, the bias/assumptions are already there. There are two possibilities, (A) eliminate the bias, or (B) explain that the bias exists and suggest ways to improve the quality of the site while acknowledging (but not condoning) the bias. I can't see (A) happening quickly, so I'd rather go with (B) while working on (A). You may disagree, as is your prerogative." CreationDate="2013-02-28T23:38:39.173" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2155" PostId="1713" Score="1" Text="@jmac the problem with getting people to specify a culture is this. we would then have to have a question for each person who wanted to ask the identical question but from the perspective of a different culture, there would be too many duplicate questions just looking for the answer from a different cultural perspective, atleast this way all the answers are in one question, nice and tidy" CreationDate="2013-03-01T14:12:39.917" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2156" PostId="1713" Score="0" Text="That is a good point, and I think that should be (generally) avoided, but if the culture isn't specified, or the question relies greatly on culture, is it best to have a single question that may not meet more specific needs? Or are culture-based questions too 'localized'?" CreationDate="2013-03-02T04:26:40.157" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2157" PostId="1713" Score="1" Text="@jmac - To answer your question, it depends. Sometimes a single question can suffice while other times several questions with some key differences can be helpful. I'd be hesitant to mark a question that included culture as too localized as many cultures are huge. I see too localized as being reserved for those cases where the answers will be useless to an extremely large majority of future visitors, almost to the point where only the asker would benefit and no one else. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-03-02T22:58:19.607" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2141" PostId="1714" Score="2" Text="An interesting take on the 'Too Localized' tag. I always took it to mean that there was too much information specific only to the asker, for example the chance of someone else doing exactly the work load he is doing is slim, and as job titles are given based on the work your doing i cant see it being helpful to anyone who isnt doing EXACTLY that, especially as it differs per company, per person too" CreationDate="2013-02-27T14:35:09.057" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2144" PostId="1714" Score="2" Text="Yeah, the per job, per company bit *does* make it too localized to me. Lots of places may have very specifically defined titles like &quot;programmer&quot; and &quot;developer&quot; and &quot;software engineer&quot; but that doesn't mean there's any consistency across the industry. What's a Programmer here is a Developer there or a Systems Analyst there. Front End Developer here is a UI Designer there...there's just no one answer, sometimes not even within *one* company." CreationDate="2013-02-27T16:00:52.013" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2145" PostId="1714" Score="0" Text="@Rarity - That almost seems more like not constructive. But either way, I think your argument for closing is solid..." CreationDate="2013-02-27T18:55:02.080" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2159" PostId="1716" Score="0" Text="sometimes it's rather opposite, as discussed at MSO: [Is “Don't do it” a valid answer?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/8922/165773) _'received dozens of &quot;Don't Do It!!!!&quot; responses, which then got upvoted...'_" CreationDate="2013-03-04T05:47:42.473" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2158" PostId="1717" Score="0" Text="Understand your point. However along with the questions, I have posted answers also. Now If I remove my questions will it be considered as answer?" CreationDate="2013-03-03T14:22:35.647" UserId="19430" />
  <row Id="2165" PostId="1718" Score="0" Text="I just love this answer!  You rock jmort253!!  I second that with the point that questions and answers are two different skill sets - I seem to be a great answer-er, but have absolutely no pride about my ability to write questions.  I like to think of it as specialization of labor, and I'm thankful for the people who can write that relevant question that we've all be asking all these years! :)" CreationDate="2013-03-07T13:52:53.360" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="2166" PostId="1718" Score="1" Text="To point to the example - when a question is very vague, it's nearly impossible to answer - so the downvoted question leading to downvoted answers is in this case true.  You're asking the question maker a bunch of counter questions - which is a discussion format that doesn't fit us.  That's probably why the question is getting downvoted - it's too vague to answer.  A better way to approach questions is to put them in comments on the question." CreationDate="2013-03-07T13:55:35.560" UserId="67" />
  <row Id="2160" PostId="1719" Score="2" Text="This is a community driven site, where initially what is and isnt acceptable is pushed by the majority of the community, of course there will be the bandwagon effect! What is and isnt acceptable is driven by the bandwagon effect" CreationDate="2013-03-04T15:53:00.373" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2161" PostId="1719" Score="4" Text="The reverse often happens on answers. &quot;oh someone downvoted this? I like it kinda - here's a sympathy upvote!&quot;" CreationDate="2013-03-04T18:10:02.133" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2162" PostId="1719" Score="0" Text="@enderland: Indeed. That happens too." CreationDate="2013-03-04T21:52:44.030" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2167" PostId="1720" Score="1" Text="To prevent that section of the FAQ from getting too long, I'd be fine with a version of this that could replace (and subsume) the &quot;Which job should I take?&quot; question." CreationDate="2013-03-07T14:38:08.407" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2168" PostId="1720" Score="0" Text="@Jim that would definitely work too. I'll edit the OP." CreationDate="2013-03-07T14:39:01.303" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2169" PostId="1720" Score="1" Text="I think that would match nicely to authoritative quality requirement: __&quot;real questions have *answers*, not *items* or *ideas* or *opinions*&quot;__ ([nicely commented and explained at MSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/75717/165773))" CreationDate="2013-03-07T15:41:28.080" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2171" PostId="1720" Score="1" Text="@gnat I prefer that. Almost any question could be seen as &quot;asking advice&quot;; the real problem is the excessive openendedness of requests, and IMO &quot;advice&quot; doesn't clearly express that. I get what the point here is, but I don't think everyone will. I give people &quot;advice&quot; in direct answers to well asked questions all the time." CreationDate="2013-03-08T12:31:19.410" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2176" PostId="1720" Score="1" Text="I've updated the phrase a fair bit incorporating the comments here." CreationDate="2013-03-08T17:02:37.480" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2179" PostId="1720" Score="1" Text="I'd suggest that rather than saying &quot;with no problem&quot; we say &quot;with no specific problem to solve&quot;. I'm not 100% sure it's a better way to word it, but if someone is asking &quot;what should I do?&quot;, they would most likely consider their situation a &quot;problem&quot;." CreationDate="2013-03-08T17:34:13.500" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2184" PostId="1720" Score="0" Text="I have also added &quot;Cover Letter&quot; to the list of things off topic to review given [these comments](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/10178/is-this-sentence-appropriate-for-a-cover-letter?noredirect=1#comment21790_10178)" CreationDate="2013-03-10T14:42:29.113" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2185" PostId="1720" Score="3" Text="I am just visiting you guys, but I am still confused about the mission here. The whole front page is conceivably a list of advice-type questions. How is cover letter (one of the tags btw) different from &quot;trust feedback,&quot; &quot;boss IM,&quot; or &quot;dealing with unprofessional lead&quot;? None of these have a specific answer, and the best answers like pdr's 62 vote &quot;understand their motivations, react accordingly&quot; are well written and excellent opinion pieces. I'd love to stop by more often, but at this point I don't understand the spirit of the place." CreationDate="2013-03-10T17:58:46.830" UserId="8139" />
  <row Id="2186" PostId="1720" Score="1" Text="@denten the thing is, this website is not &quot;Dear Workplace&quot; - it has to be useful as a Q/A for others too. Most of the questions falling into this category simply are not useful outside the individual asking the question, which makes them almost always a poor fit for a Q/A of useful information." CreationDate="2013-03-11T18:12:15.480" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2218" PostId="1720" Score="0" Text="At first I was like &quot;aren't all questions here asking for advice&quot;, but then I read your proposal and think it's a good one. A note about the phrasing though - it would be nice if the example questions were links to actual questions on the site" CreationDate="2013-03-18T16:56:26.383" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2335" PostId="1720" Score="1" Text="I updated the link to rev 1 of that question since it was edited and cleaned up after the link was added to this post." CreationDate="2013-04-04T15:14:40.103" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2170" PostId="1721" Score="3" Text="Plus then I can link the FAQ and not feel as bad voting to close and downvoting questions which are.. bad" CreationDate="2013-03-07T15:42:35.913" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2180" PostId="1722" Score="3" Text="Other sites have locked questions and noted that they were part of the beta process and only here for historical value." CreationDate="2013-03-08T19:12:46.410" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2181" PostId="1722" Score="3" Text="We can do that as well as need arises." CreationDate="2013-03-08T19:13:31.970" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2172" PostId="1723" Score="0" Text="If we did go back and delete a bunch of content, a lot of it would probably qualify for the users keeping the rep." CreationDate="2013-03-08T14:23:34.320" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2173" PostId="1723" Score="0" Text="@Jim: How does that work? If an answer is sufficiently old, then the users keep their rep? Also, does that incentive people to answer lots of questions early on a site's Beta? That is before the pro temp. moderators come in and tighten the &quot;Not Constructive&quot; rules?" CreationDate="2013-03-08T14:43:06.483" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2174" PostId="1723" Score="1" Text="If the post has a score of at least 3, and has been visible on the site for at least 60 days, the reputation stays when it is deleted ([source](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/reputation-and-historical-archives/)). As far as incentivizing early Beta participation, not only is there a badge for that, but it also allows you to help shape the direction of the site, so rather than adding incentive, the reputation policy prevents massive rep loss for those who helped establish the site (in the case of mass deletions)." CreationDate="2013-03-08T15:10:08.577" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2175" PostId="1723" Score="3" Text="Part of this site being a beta is to determine what is and isnt allowed and to see if it is viable as a full site. The point of the 'high rep users' isnt to scrape up a lot of rep and hold on to it, the point is to help shape what the site Should be." CreationDate="2013-03-08T15:30:55.500" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2177" PostId="1723" Score="0" Text="@RhysW: Right - So why do we keep obviously off-topic questions which were created during the site's inception phase?" CreationDate="2013-03-08T17:05:36.807" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2178" PostId="1723" Score="3" Text="Every StackExchange site follows this process. They were good on topic questions at the time so they are kept around. They are free to be closed by the community if they so wish, as Jim stated above" CreationDate="2013-03-08T17:24:19.677" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2182" PostId="1723" Score="1" Text="The best thing for us to focus on is good questions going forward, now that we have a clearer picture of what does and doesn't work. As @RhysW says, every beta has early material that the community isn't particularly proud of or that doesn't represent the current state of the site. Stack Overflow surely is a perfect example of this." CreationDate="2013-03-08T19:21:50.973" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2183" PostId="1723" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: Right, but in all fairness, aren't those early, poor questions closed and deleted? Why do we have a double standard on Workplace.SE?" CreationDate="2013-03-08T20:10:58.803" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2187" PostId="1725" Score="4" Text="Are you suggesting it's a bad thing that &quot;they tend to pick up constructive answers&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-03-12T12:50:32.517" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2190" PostId="1725" Score="1" Text="I don't understand how this answer is attempting to answer your question here. You asked &quot;what is the problem&quot; and not &quot;should this question be closed.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-03-12T13:34:33.473" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2192" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="@Jim: No, I'm not. I'm pointing it out as fact because some questions, if left alone for a short period of time, can in fact earn constructive answers and improve their perceived &quot;answerability&quot;." CreationDate="2013-03-12T13:36:45.607" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2194" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="@enderland: That's true. But if we agree that the OP really didn't face a problem, then the next logical question would be - &quot;Well then why didn't the community vote to close?&quot; And I'm offering a good explanation as to why the community didn't vote to close this question." CreationDate="2013-03-12T13:37:38.587" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2195" PostId="1725" Score="4" Text="@JimG. If a question attracts good, constructive answers, then it stands to reason that there is a good, constructive question being asked. If it doesn't appear that way, the question might have a wording/scope problem, which can probably be solved with an edit." CreationDate="2013-03-12T13:39:02.550" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2197" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="@Jim: You're right. And as I've said before, jmort253 has been doing a terrific job with edits and gentle advice; nudging questions back to an acceptable form." CreationDate="2013-03-12T13:40:39.767" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2198" PostId="1725" Score="4" Text="As a side note, the question can be closed, thats what closed votes are for. Also the number of upvotes is irrelevant to whether or not something is eligible for closing. Its more of a correlation than causation" CreationDate="2013-03-12T13:55:20.460" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2199" PostId="1725" Score="0" Text="@RhysW: A very valid point." CreationDate="2013-03-12T13:58:53.527" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2188" PostId="1726" Score="6" Text="-1 It's not a real problem if there wasn't any slapping involved." CreationDate="2013-03-12T13:32:33.130" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2189" PostId="1726" Score="2" Text="/me slaps @Yannis" CreationDate="2013-03-12T13:33:33.910" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2210" PostId="1726" Score="2" Text="@Yannis - But i am pretty sure that the long hair was seen as an attempt to sleep with the bosses wife." CreationDate="2013-03-14T13:10:54.850" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2211" PostId="1726" Score="0" Text="@Chad he only grew long hair because his boss slapped him for getting the reports wrong" CreationDate="2013-03-14T14:21:40.847" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2202" PostId="1729" Score="0" Text="Thats a good example. I did try to tag you in chat where i raised a further issue, but it tagged the wrong one, if you wouldnt mind dropping in that would be fab. &#xA;&#xA;This answers the question though, i was a little confused at the difference but that tagged answer clears it up. Thanks" CreationDate="2013-03-12T14:29:48.410" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2203" PostId="1730" Score="1" Text="I'm hoping to combine some of those to make the FAQ somewhat shorter as well as the central problem for all those is the same as my examples." CreationDate="2013-03-12T19:48:34.427" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2207" PostId="1731" Score="0" Text="Confirmed; investigating. Thanks." CreationDate="2013-03-14T11:58:04.330" UserId="2007" />
  <row Id="2208" PostId="1731" Score="3" Text="kinda embarrassed to say it took 3 clicks for me to click on the right &quot;edit&quot; link to mark this as completed... even the giant red boxes wasn't enough for my poor brain to twig" CreationDate="2013-03-14T12:11:41.147" UserId="2007" />
  <row Id="2209" PostId="1731" Score="0" Text="@MarcGravell when i tried to upload the second picture even i clicked on the wrong one!" CreationDate="2013-03-14T12:19:21.847" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2212" PostId="1731" Score="0" Text="@MarcGravell also, just so youre aware, it also does this with re-open votes too" CreationDate="2013-03-14T16:42:52.460" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2213" PostId="1731" Score="0" Text="I think the same block of code handles all of them" CreationDate="2013-03-14T17:39:50.150" UserId="2007" />
  <row Id="2216" PostId="1733" Score="0" Text="I'd vote to reopen, but it says I already have in the past even though I'm not one of the previous reopen voters. But I often see questions asking &quot;Is it ethical...&quot; getting closed on here. A different way of phrasing these questions so they're less likely to be closed is &quot;Will it harm my career to do X...&quot; or &quot;What should I consider when trying to decide if I should do X&quot;. For example, instead of asking if it's ethical to break a verbal contract, ask it what effect breaking a verbal contract could have on your career." CreationDate="2013-03-18T13:02:36.607" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2217" PostId="1733" Score="0" Text="@Rachel: Thanks for your suggestion. I have modified the question as per your guidelines" CreationDate="2013-03-18T16:22:42.590" UserId="19430" />
  <row Id="2214" PostId="1735" Score="0" Text="I have clearly specified my question both in title and in the explanation that my question is about &quot;Is it breaking commitment is right and ethical?&quot;. But still I don't understand why this question sound like &quot;Should I take one of these other jobs?&quot; kind of question. Can you please help me to understand why? Please do favor." CreationDate="2013-03-17T14:37:55.697" UserId="19430" />
  <row Id="2215" PostId="1735" Score="2" Text="Hi BVR, the question did sound like that initially, until the first edit. So enderland's explanation might represent the state of your question as it was originally posted. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-03-17T17:30:29.983" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2219" PostId="1737" Score="0" Text="-1: If you see an answer which duplicate another answer, flag it as such. Case closed. Voting to close this question." CreationDate="2013-03-19T22:56:27.400" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2248" PostId="1737" Score="0" Text="@JimG., I've seen lots of answers that duplicate *most* of another answer, but if there's also something new the mods handling the flags can't really just delete them.  The community can edit and vote to delete, however.  Also, the question here seems to be about references, not cut/paste, right?" CreationDate="2013-03-25T14:34:06.337" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2249" PostId="1737" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio: I agree with you 100%. That's why I voted to close this question. I'm not sure which problem Paul Brown is trying to solve." CreationDate="2013-03-25T14:35:02.380" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2223" PostId="1740" Score="3" Text="we get lots of questions which are &quot;popular&quot; because people empathize with them even though they are really poor questions for this site. We get a lot of answers which are bad answers which are upvoted because people like them..." CreationDate="2013-03-21T22:04:49.413" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2224" PostId="1740" Score="0" Text="Also consider that 1/2 of the links from above are not actually questions based on the title." CreationDate="2013-03-21T22:10:55.757" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2226" PostId="1740" Score="0" Text="If the quality of questions is so poor, then perhaps the FAQ should be updated to point to some good questions and an explanation of what makes them good? Or have some sort of article that actually explains what makes a good question (which is far more complex than it is on stackoverflow, for instance)." CreationDate="2013-03-21T23:18:56.423" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2230" PostId="1740" Score="2" Text="@enderland: Surely that's a case for editing the title instead, especially as there *is* a question in the text body.&#xA;&#xA;&quot;Boss does not answer questions, how should I react?&quot;&#xA;&quot;Should I report Employee Poaching?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-03-22T10:49:11.843" UserId="510" />
  <row Id="2231" PostId="1740" Score="2" Text="@deworde my point is if someone doesn't even think to phrase the title of their question as a question, it's likely a good indication it's NOT a well structured question" CreationDate="2013-03-22T10:56:17.383" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2242" PostId="1740" Score="3" Text="Or that they don't know the site well. Surely this site is going to reach out to people who don't *use* StackOverflow or a StackExchange site." CreationDate="2013-03-22T16:31:58.740" UserId="510" />
  <row Id="2257" PostId="1740" Score="1" Text="How many of those were closed for being off topic? advice cant always be given to improve them if they just dont fit the site" CreationDate="2013-03-26T09:14:13.013" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2225" PostId="1741" Score="3" Text="There are two issues here. The first is that these are closed without comment. Would it be so bad to explain that these are the reasons you would vote to close? Perhaps it is a horrible question with no redeeming value, but just closing it without comment will not help the asker understand that. The second is that there is no attempt to improve the questions by drawing out the fundamental issue in the question. Perhaps the question could be 95% shorter, so shouldn't effort be put in to draw out the good 5%, rather than close 100%?" CreationDate="2013-03-21T23:14:50.223" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2227" PostId="1741" Score="1" Text="@jmac I'm not trying to answer to you how people should vote. I nearly 100% of the time (with the exception of *really* bad questions - none of these are even close to this level of lack of work, effort, etc) put comments when I vote to close. This is intended to explain why these questions were closed/voted/etc" CreationDate="2013-03-22T00:57:44.557" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2228" PostId="1741" Score="1" Text="And I'm grateful that you are willing to leave comments. Others aren't. This is an issue. Question quality aside, the lack of feedback to potentially productive contributors is not a good sign (and not very friendly). I'd like to see that changed." CreationDate="2013-03-22T01:05:22.957" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2229" PostId="1741" Score="1" Text="I would add that the Patent question was a dup of a questions on Patents SE where this question probably belonged in the first place." CreationDate="2013-03-22T03:04:51.940" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2233" PostId="1741" Score="0" Text="@enderland&#xA;&#xA;That analogy breaks down on analysis. StackOverflow has lots of questions along the lines of &quot;How do I solve this common programming issue&quot; or &quot;How do I approach this common problem&quot;. The fact that these can be expressed in non-&quot;Give me teh codez&quot; terms is more due to the subject matter than the author." CreationDate="2013-03-22T11:00:50.827" UserId="510" />
  <row Id="2234" PostId="1741" Score="0" Text="For example, what makes this: For example: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3492/is-it-rude-to-leave-an-interview-early-if-you-have-already-made-your-decision not a &quot;help me please&quot; question?" CreationDate="2013-03-22T11:01:20.093" UserId="510" />
  <row Id="2235" PostId="1741" Score="0" Text="@deworde I'm talking about questions like [this one](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/10385/no-work-for-past-3-weeks) where there is no explanation as to what the asker has thought/tried/considered. In the interview one, there is a considerable effort on the part of the asker to develop the question. In &quot;help me please&quot; questions you need a ton of comments to clarify the question, get more information, etc, before you can even hope to *really* answer it." CreationDate="2013-03-22T11:03:45.153" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2236" PostId="1741" Score="0" Text="@enderland Yes, that one's blindingly terrible (the platonic &quot;forum post question&quot;), and should probably just be straight-up deleted. I thought you were applying that description to the examples you referenced." CreationDate="2013-03-22T11:08:10.307" UserId="510" />
  <row Id="2239" PostId="1742" Score="2" Text="I agree with everything you said. I think it's important to note, though, that not everyone has the time or inclination to write comments about how to improve a post, or to just improve it, and that doesn't make us bad users. I cast a lot of votes, and often some of the first, because I can quickly scan and add my voice (in terms of the vote) to the mix, but I don't have the time at the same time to edit or lead people toward better questions. After doing so for a good chunk of the last 345 days, I'm personally just tired of it.  That's why there's a community to help each other." CreationDate="2013-03-22T15:20:40.133" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2241" PostId="1742" Score="0" Text="For me the point isn't to re-open the questions, the point is to bring to the attention of the community that questions are often being closed without comment. Whether these questions are good or bad is far less significant, in my opinion, than the long term decision of the community on how to handle borderline questions (suggesting edits vs. voting close with no comments)." CreationDate="2013-03-22T16:26:07.663" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2243" PostId="1742" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni and jmac - I didn't mean to imply one is a bad user if he/she doesn't make a comment. If you see something closed and know why it's closed, and it doesn't take long, your comment could add value where others may not have had the right words/time. Commenting is of course not a requirement, and I understand people can get too busy to leave them. :)   Perhaps what we can do is revisit these posts and add comments just for the sake of having the close reason explained a bit better?" CreationDate="2013-03-23T00:30:48.063" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2245" PostId="1742" Score="2" Text="It takes more than one person voting to close. It seems to me that if _one_ of those people can't/won't articulate what's wrong with the question, it's not really fair to close it, if only because it offers no guidance to future posters of similar questions." CreationDate="2013-03-24T13:45:16.303" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="2246" PostId="1742" Score="0" Text="@AmyBlankenship - Excellent point. We also must not forget that we're a Stack Exchange 2.0 Beta site, which means we need more traffic, more visits, and more users. While it's great that our site has standards for question and answer quality, we need to make sure we guide new users to increase their chances of converting to a returning visitor." CreationDate="2013-03-24T17:27:11.137" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="13846" PostId="1742" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni Bear in mind an initial downvote from a &quot;power user&quot; sets the standard and is nearly certainly the death-knell of a question. Other users will be inclined to also down-vote. If you don't have time to mental space to comment or help, don't just kill it. Leave it to people who do have time and do care." CreationDate="2017-10-09T02:39:26.677" UserId="70038" />
  <row Id="13847" PostId="1742" Score="0" Text="@AmyBlankenship it does take more than 1 person, but if 1 person (particularly an established user) downvotes, that will encourage more downvotes from other established/power users or mods." CreationDate="2017-10-09T02:42:48.833" UserId="70038" />
  <row Id="16768" PostId="1742" Score="0" Text="Not sure whether this was correct at the time it was written, but currently it takes 3000 rep, not 500, to cast a reopen vote." CreationDate="2018-10-10T13:53:46.613" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="2232" PostId="1743" Score="3" Text="We have a site FAQ and About page - if people can't be bothered to read them (or even attempt to read them) it's hard for a small minority of active users to turn their lack of effort into a quality post." CreationDate="2013-03-22T10:57:28.437" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2237" PostId="1743" Score="3" Text="@enderland Sure, but you're falling foul of the basic UX principle: No-one reads the manual until *after* they've tried something. I'm not disagreeing that it's work, but it's no good stapling up a sign saying &quot;Ask Better Questions&quot;. Showing them what their question would look like as a better question would be far more effective." CreationDate="2013-03-22T11:14:48.913" UserId="510" />
  <row Id="2238" PostId="1743" Score="5" Text="edit-vs-close dilemma has been discussed at MSO: [Do you wait for edits before voting to close a question?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/161872/do-you-wait-for-edits-before-voting-to-close-a-question) &quot;...vague wording is a road to closure anyway but **while open, it can attract irrelevant answers** which will make it difficult... to further edit the question into the shape allowing to... reopen it.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-03-22T12:04:43.340" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2240" PostId="1743" Score="2" Text="The volume of questions/answers in SO is quite different. If you close a poor question, something will take its place. Not the case here. Not saying that is a reason to allow poor quality, but it definitely should be a reason to look for more constructive methods of handling a borderline question." CreationDate="2013-03-22T16:24:30.113" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2247" PostId="1743" Score="6" Text="The takeaway for me is that we're still a beta site. We need to convince more people to join the community. The way to do that is to *be helpful*. If we close off-topic and not constructive posts, which we should, we should also reach out to the original poster and try to help them turn the post into a good question. If they learn from the experience and come back, we build our community. I don't recall myself being the best SE user when I first started, and I'm sure we all can relate to that in some fashion. :)" CreationDate="2013-03-24T17:50:38.383" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2250" PostId="1743" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I got myself banned from several other Q/A forums for not following their rules (click accept! read? who does that)... :)" CreationDate="2013-03-25T23:40:27.957" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2272" PostId="1743" Score="0" Text="I think anyone with less than 500 should be subjected to a questionaire that prompts them to evaluate their post for common faux-pas that drive closure and downvotes.  This would solve 90% of this." CreationDate="2013-03-27T17:44:01.713" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2244" PostId="1744" Score="1" Text="Cute.  Vote to delete as duplicate. :-)" CreationDate="2013-03-24T02:24:06.200" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2306" PostId="1744" Score="0" Text="I can see the point you're trying to make, but the question was citing, not copying word for word and adding a sentence" CreationDate="2013-04-03T13:25:39.003" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2251" PostId="1748" Score="0" Text="My answer wasn't good enough?" CreationDate="2013-03-26T02:32:00.270" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2252" PostId="1748" Score="4" Text="@JimG., whether your answer is good enough is one thing, but whether the question should remain close/open is quite another." CreationDate="2013-03-26T02:36:08.223" UserId="979" />
  <row Id="2253" PostId="1749" Score="0" Text="I've already edited the question. Deleting as much descriptive phrase as I can." CreationDate="2013-03-26T03:54:10.610" UserId="979" />
  <row Id="2254" PostId="1749" Score="1" Text="Hi @Graviton, I edited a little further to adjust some of the wording. If I missed anything/changed anything that was important to your point, please feel free to add that back in. I also expanded your bold question just a bit. I assume if he hasn't been fired yet, you haven't completely given up, but if that's not right, please feel free to clarify. I'm going to drop a link into our chat room on this post. I'd like to give the community an opportunity to provide some feedback as well. Thanks for making your edits!" CreationDate="2013-03-26T04:40:44.720" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2255" PostId="1749" Score="0" Text="*I assume if he hasn't been fired yet, you haven't completely given up*-- yes, that's right." CreationDate="2013-03-26T05:29:35.540" UserId="979" />
  <row Id="2258" PostId="1750" Score="2" Text="The down voting is not rude just posting it in a comment.  FWIW I argued at the time to leave it, though I now see the difference with it mostly absent from comments.  Comments are more constructive sounding and are more likely to be taken constructively if you do not include the -1 or downvoted." CreationDate="2013-03-27T00:34:58.803" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2261" PostId="1750" Score="2" Text="So JimInTexas, after reading the answers below, I want to clarify that the &quot;why&quot; part of such comments is extremely important, as is the &quot;here's what you can do to fix the problem&quot; part of comments. Beginning a comment with &quot;-1&quot; or &quot;Downvoted because...&quot; tends to prepare people for the punch to the solar plexus, and for some folks, all they may see is the -1 or &quot;downvoted&quot; and miss the more important points in the message, such as the suggestions on how to improve the post. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-03-27T01:11:27.397" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2262" PostId="1750" Score="3" Text="I wouldn't worry about it. You did nothing wrong." CreationDate="2013-03-27T01:51:37.540" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2285" PostId="1750" Score="1" Text="Good question, because leaving the `+1 for using the word awesome` comments don't seem to attract negative attention." CreationDate="2013-03-29T18:44:42.223" UserId="5936" />
  <row Id="2260" PostId="1751" Score="1" Text="I couldn't have said this better myself. :) In short, it's not the word &quot;downvoted&quot; that we wish to avoid, just the punitive tone that comes with such comments, especially when a more helpful tone would more likely generate a better response from the op." CreationDate="2013-03-27T01:08:11.993" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2267" PostId="1751" Score="1" Text="Personally, I would much rather have people leave me a reason with their downvote than to downvote silently and move on. But I agree, the comment should explain what's wrong (and ideally how to fix it), and should not just be along the lines of &quot;-1 you're wrong&quot;" CreationDate="2013-03-27T11:55:16.233" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2269" PostId="1751" Score="2" Text="&quot;Explaining the reason you are downvoting is perfectly fine, but it's not necessary to indicate that you downvoted.&quot;  While I agree it might not be 'necessary', I think it is helpful to the OP who sincerely wants to fully understand why others reacted to his question the way they did." CreationDate="2013-03-27T17:19:48.377" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="2273" PostId="1751" Score="1" Text="See also [this answer](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/138191/166936), sharing how you voted (whether you voted up or down) is junk. Sharing why a post is good/bad/indifferent is potentially useful." CreationDate="2013-03-27T19:40:10.603" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2268" PostId="1752" Score="0" Text="&quot;It's just really rare to find a situation where adding &quot;downvoted&quot; ' - In the -7 example given that's probably true.  But what about a question that has both up and down votes.  Why do you want to make the OP guess which comments correspond to the down votes?   How does that help the questioner?" CreationDate="2013-03-27T17:18:33.950" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="2274" PostId="1752" Score="2" Text="`+1 for an awesome answer` I deleted soooooooo many of those" CreationDate="2013-03-27T19:40:34.727" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2275" PostId="1752" Score="1" Text="@JimInTexas I suspect almost all people can understand differences between positive/constructive criticism comments." CreationDate="2013-03-28T00:19:41.283" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="14554" PostId="1752" Score="0" Text="There is an issue here: often, comments which do not explicitly state their own meta-information (ie: &quot;-1 because&quot;) are mistaken for discussion. I have seen **lots** of comments of this nature get deleted, including some of my own on other SE sites. If the otherwise exact same comment had been prefixed with &quot;Explaining my down-vote:&quot; it is less likely to get deleted and more likely to result in an improved answer." CreationDate="2018-01-25T21:09:11.533" UserId="63534" />
  <row Id="14555" PostId="1752" Score="0" Text="Another reason why it can be good to know who down-voted is so that you can tell who *did not* down-vote. In fact, I sometimes suffix criticism comments with &quot;Note that I did not -1 though.&quot; One of my reasons for doing this is that I have sometimes noticed a correlation between leaving criticism and being down-voted. The correlation is sometimes strong too, for example, I have left constructive feedback that puts an answer in a negative light (because it was bad), only to notice that within the hour I have a 1 extra down-vote on my Qs&amp;As all across SE. I assume that is retaliation." CreationDate="2018-01-25T21:17:26.027" UserId="63534" />
  <row Id="14556" PostId="1752" Score="0" Text="And, while I understand that the retaliation is itself something that should not be happening and which we should not have to account for in discussions like this, the reality is that it does happen." CreationDate="2018-01-25T21:18:04.567" UserId="63534" />
  <row Id="2263" PostId="1753" Score="1" Text="I am so sorry that my question gives you the wrong impression. If I weren't specific enough with context, you would say my question is not specific, if I tried to portray the correct situation with adjectives you said that it's rant. There seems to be no way for me to get my question across because either too specific or too broad will result in a closure. Work SE is indeed a hard place to ask questions thanks to the wierd standards adopted by mods." CreationDate="2013-03-27T02:12:36.690" UserId="979" />
  <row Id="2264" PostId="1753" Score="1" Text="@Graviton the reason it feels like a rant is because you spend most of the post talking about how frustrated you are with this employee rather than presenting the needed details about it. Yes, you are frustrated with them - but acting like the employee is a complete and utter idiot is not really the way to deal with the situation." CreationDate="2013-03-27T02:38:30.410" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2265" PostId="1753" Score="0" Text="*you are frustrated with them - but acting like the employee is a complete and utter idiot * -- now, this is a rant and personal attack, and an unwarranted one. I am coming here to ask for advice and I outline the whole situation as clearly as I can, and you said I am an idiot?  *you spend most of the post talking about how frustrated you are with this employee rather than presenting the needed details about it*-- this is simply very wrong as I provided details and examples, it's just that you prefer to interpret my details as rants. This is most unfortunate." CreationDate="2013-03-27T02:47:12.357" UserId="979" />
  <row Id="2266" PostId="1753" Score="2" Text="@Graviton I'm explaining why your post comes across as a rant. Complaining about an employee with that sort of language will be interpreted as a rant by myself (and quite a few others apparently). I'm sorry if you don't understand this." CreationDate="2013-03-27T10:58:01.850" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2270" PostId="1754" Score="4" Text="&quot; but just saying you are wrong&quot; - I think the phrases'down voted&quot; or &quot;great question!&quot; are not very helpful if that's all that is said.  I think &quot;Downvoted for [reasons listed] is NOT rude at all.  Unless down voting itself is rude.  Which I guess it is to some folks." CreationDate="2013-03-27T17:21:51.030" UserId="52" />
  <row Id="2271" PostId="1754" Score="0" Text="It is only rude when you down vote them I think." CreationDate="2013-03-27T17:37:54.230" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2276" PostId="1756" Score="0" Text="Thanks for clearing up my confusion." CreationDate="2013-03-28T19:49:35.527" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="2277" PostId="1756" Score="0" Text="oh, cool, I had the same question" CreationDate="2013-03-28T20:23:40.387" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2278" PostId="1756" Score="1" Text="This got me too when I first hit 600 ;D" CreationDate="2013-03-29T00:05:58.437" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2279" PostId="1757" Score="0" Text="I posted 2 separate answers just to make it easier to vote on them, as they both involve separate ideas." CreationDate="2013-03-29T02:07:53.230" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2293" PostId="1757" Score="1" Text="The major difference is the close vote exclusively comes with a reason, unlike downvotes, which can be for any reason. Comments are really just elaboration. Not A Real Question can be a bit broad, but no where near as broad as &quot;one person doesn't like this post for any reason whatsoever&quot;, which is all a downvote says." CreationDate="2013-03-30T18:13:59.437" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2280" PostId="1758" Score="2" Text="I'm not suggesting it's required, just that a message should pop up saying, &quot;If you can improve this with a comment, please do&quot; just like a downvote. A friendly nudge to remind people that they should work toward improvement." CreationDate="2013-03-29T02:22:25.007" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2281" PostId="1758" Score="0" Text="@jmac - Right, I edited to clarify... I'm wondering if we can try to comment more as a community before implementing a development change? I'm not sure there'd be harm in doing something like that though. Except maybe annoying people... The popup would likely need to be something that only pops occasionally....  I'm interested to see what others have to say about the popup idea." CreationDate="2013-03-29T02:25:39.313" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2283" PostId="1758" Score="0" Text="If you downvote a question on TW, a small blue tooltip-esque box pops up next to the downvote arrow for approx. 3 seconds saying *&quot;Please consider adding a comment if you think this post can be improved&quot;*. I have no idea how much development work is actually entailed, and how all the sites mesh together with stuff like this, so I'm happy to work with just getting people to comment more (with the review flags for 2k users, for instance) if it's a huge development headache." CreationDate="2013-03-29T02:31:51.400" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2282" PostId="1759" Score="1" Text="I like this idea a lot. A real lot. I've upvoted the thread on SO meta as well, and really think this would help. Kudos for the great idea." CreationDate="2013-03-29T02:27:37.637" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2284" PostId="1759" Score="1" Text="you could probably just add a comment from &quot;community&quot; which says, &quot;Hello! Please ensure you read the [FAQ] and [about] pages to ensure your question is appropriate for this site. It helps to have a specific problem you are facing and not too broad a topic. Last, make sure you put some effort into formatting your question - spelling and format are greatly appreciated by all the volunteers&quot; and cover 90% of these cases." CreationDate="2013-03-29T04:00:25.230" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2286" PostId="1759" Score="1" Text="Hi @enderland, canned messages are cool, but we already have the post notice when a post is closed. The idea behind leaving a personalized comment is that it would identify the *exact* problem and tailored suggestions. While the automated post notice is broad and offers some insight, the one on one coaching from human interaction is more specific and also may help disarm someone who may not yet understand the point of community closures. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-03-30T02:37:40.247" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2287" PostId="1759" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 that comment was a joke... but only somewhat :|" CreationDate="2013-03-30T02:40:15.240" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2288" PostId="1759" Score="1" Text="What's the saying @enderland, &quot;a lot of truth is said in jest&quot;?  While a *single* automated comment may not really be helpful, having a toolbox filled with some common comments that fit certain specific scenarios may be extremely helpful; it may give the appearance we took some time to help while still saving us time. If you haven't seen the [Pro-forma comments Userscript](http://stackapps.com/questions/2116/autoreviewcomments-pro-forma-comments-for-se), you should check it out. :)" CreationDate="2013-03-30T02:43:10.483" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2290" PostId="1759" Score="0" Text="Yeah. I guess honestly I'm getting unmotivated because we seem to get a large volume of questions which do not really feel well constructed.. but then again, sometimes it's hard to get an understanding as to how TO write questions. I know I've asked my share of poor questions even being an StackExchange &quot;more veteran&quot;" CreationDate="2013-03-30T03:03:05.753" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2291" PostId="1759" Score="1" Text="@enderland - I think one thing we should realize is that asking questions is tough, perhaps tougher than answering them. This is why I sometimes lean more towards being tougher on answers than on questions.  Additionally, sometimes we do need a break from Stack Exchange, especially when we're tempted to respond unfavorably to someone who is new. Personally, when I catch myself feeling a little snappy, I take a break for awhile and come back with a different outlook. For instance, this weekend I plan to clean my back porch. :)  Real life misses me and is calling, lol. :)" CreationDate="2013-03-30T04:34:04.703" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2292" PostId="1759" Score="1" Text="and building on what you were saying about questions not feeling well-constructed, that could be a great topic for a nice blog post, one that maybe highlights some of our best written questions as examples and points out what the asker did well. :)" CreationDate="2013-03-30T04:35:45.243" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2294" PostId="1759" Score="0" Text="I would love to see a list of good questions and &quot;how to ask&quot; summary from one of the more experienced members around here. Do we have a volunteer?" CreationDate="2013-03-31T23:59:31.323" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2289" PostId="1760" Score="2" Text="Upvoted because I'm in a good mood :)" CreationDate="2013-03-30T02:59:54.813" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="2295" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="There is a &quot;Never&quot; link you can click. Additionally, it's a joke that will be gone by tomorrow. Addtional information can be found on META" CreationDate="2013-04-01T20:48:11.843" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2296" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="@jim the never doesn't work :(" CreationDate="2013-04-01T20:54:10.080" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2297" PostId="1761" Score="8" Text="A very unfunny April Fools joke" CreationDate="2013-04-01T21:19:43.853" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="2298" PostId="1761" Score="1" Text="I see no &quot;never&quot; link." CreationDate="2013-04-02T02:49:13.377" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2299" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="One thing I've learned is that you can't outsmart the expert in a battle of wits. You'll lose! :D" CreationDate="2013-04-02T04:18:45.087" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2300" PostId="1761" Score="1" Text="Well root my boot, it never even entered my head that it might be an April Fool's joke. I just assumed it was a link to the chat functionality, clicked &quot;never&quot;, and never gave it any more thought." CreationDate="2013-04-02T05:02:27.267" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="2301" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="@Jim &quot;Addtional information can be found on META&quot;??? This _is_ META ;) Forget about MSO, if you can answer this question here, please do. The Workplace community should feel confident that they'll find all their Meta answers here, there's no need for any Workplace user to go scouting MSO for answers..." CreationDate="2013-04-03T02:58:09.270" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2305" PostId="1761" Score="0" Text="@Yannis very true. I was on my phone, so linking to/copying text from MSO to here would be a hassle (hence the comment instead of an answer)." CreationDate="2013-04-03T13:05:04.700" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2308" PostId="1763" Score="0" Text="The tags are there to encourage their useage and subscription. For example, demotion may have no questions, but that doesnt mean there wont be any in the future, it encourages new questions to use the correct , ontopic, tags and gives people a chance to follow those tags until those questions appear" CreationDate="2013-04-03T15:28:10.440" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2309" PostId="1763" Score="0" Text="How flags like `hardware`, `mexico`, `singapore` and `germany` are related to **The Workplace** questions?" CreationDate="2013-04-03T16:18:07.773" UserId="8298" />
  <row Id="2311" PostId="1763" Score="0" Text="I didnt say all of them, would have taken me far too long to explain each one individually" CreationDate="2013-04-03T17:03:23.270" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2435" PostId="1763" Score="0" Text="@RSFalcon7 Because employment laws and culture differ by geographic region, it was decided that country tags would be acceptable to help filter down questions for a specific region. See [Should we have country specific tags?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/25/316) for more details." CreationDate="2013-04-16T13:54:23.593" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2344" PostId="1764" Score="2" Text="I know that it got frustrated with me when our conversation went off on a tangent because it said: &quot;So have you given up on asking a question about slapping your bosses wife?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-04-04T19:26:51.327" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2302" PostId="1765" Score="1" Text="The only &quot;problem&quot; I can see is people using &quot;international&quot; to mean anything outside of their cultural context. For instance, &quot;What is appropriate business greeting etiquette in France?&quot; may be tagged as International, when it's really a domestic issue from a country different of the one of the asker. And that shouldn't be a precondition, should it?" CreationDate="2013-04-03T05:02:16.063" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2303" PostId="1765" Score="0" Text="@jmac - I believe what you just described is a [meta tag](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/08/the-death-of-meta-tags/), and you're right, we should avoid them. It's probably best to retag international as something a little more targeted for those 4 questions now while it's still manageable. :)" CreationDate="2013-04-03T05:16:30.643" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2304" PostId="1765" Score="0" Text="I think that country or &quot;continent&quot; tags are a non-meta application of the same and could narrow things down (even though nobody may use the &quot;Togo&quot; tag over the next 3 years). Or subcontinents. Or whatever. Location is good, meta is bad." CreationDate="2013-04-03T06:07:21.297" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2307" PostId="1766" Score="1" Text="These are the ones from the first list that I think have &quot;legs&quot;: reinterviewing, self-employment, workers-compensation, multicultural, it-industry, immigration, demotion, exit-interview, assessment, accommodations" CreationDate="2013-04-03T14:01:46.777" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2310" PostId="1766" Score="0" Text="Tags with only one question eventually get auto-deleted.  IIRC this takes about 6 months." CreationDate="2013-04-03T16:54:38.413" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2319" PostId="1766" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni - &quot;legs&quot;? lol.  Can you clarify?" CreationDate="2013-04-04T01:19:17.183" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2320" PostId="1766" Score="0" Text="sorry - have a foundation, something to stand on, [etc.](http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/have+legs)" CreationDate="2013-04-04T01:42:37.490" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2343" PostId="1766" Score="0" Text="It appears that most of those tags could probably be removed and the questions retagged as appropriate - reinterviewing -&gt; interviewing - visa -&gt; immigration etc" CreationDate="2013-04-04T19:23:20.893" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2312" PostId="1767" Score="0" Text="I'm a bit torn on whether this would be better asked on ProgSE meta or here, but either one is likely better than MSO. I went with Workplace Meta, since the migration action was taken here." CreationDate="2013-04-03T20:48:26.307" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="2313" PostId="1767" Score="1" Text="@Anna - fine by me, just please make sure Yannis sees this - I know he's put a lot of effort into cleaning up P.SE." CreationDate="2013-04-03T20:49:21.143" UserId="30" />
  <row Id="2314" PostId="1767" Score="3" Text="I pinged him. I'm interested in his take on this as well. :)" CreationDate="2013-04-03T20:55:40.303" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="2315" PostId="1767" Score="0" Text="for the record, this has been discussed at [WP chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8796884#8796884 &quot;here&quot;) and at [Programmers chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8796908#8796908 &quot;here&quot;)" CreationDate="2013-04-03T21:25:36.967" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2316" PostId="1767" Score="0" Text="@AnnaLear Maybe I should've consulted him first, but it seemed trivial enough to just migrate it over." CreationDate="2013-04-04T00:00:36.947" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2317" PostId="1767" Score="0" Text="@Jim I personally don't disagree with the migration." CreationDate="2013-04-04T00:12:01.863" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="2318" PostId="1767" Score="2" Text="I must say I'm a little disappointed that we migrated this question. It's one of the better well-written and objective questions I've seen in a long time, where it involved trouble with a colleague. Most of them lately have been so overly-dramatic that it's hard to take the op seriously." CreationDate="2013-04-04T01:15:02.417" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2330" PostId="1767" Score="0" Text="I think the question could have fit in either site.  I think it's worth noting that that the question is up to 5 answers now and along with quite a few up votes. The programming aspects provide for more concrete solutions to the question." CreationDate="2013-04-04T11:52:24.063" UserDisplayName="user1209" />
  <row Id="2321" PostId="1768" Score="0" Text="It seems that 80% of questions here attract at least one close vote. I don't think that means we should be migrating questions, I believe it means we should be helping users adjust their questions to match the site (assuming they don't), or at least comment on the question before clicking the &quot;close&quot; button." CreationDate="2013-04-04T04:44:10.343" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2322" PostId="1768" Score="3" Text="@jmac That's both unfair and inaccurate (80%? Really?). All close voters on this particular question went out of their way to find a better home for the question. Why would anyone waste time &quot;adjusting the question to match the site&quot; when they honestly believe there's a better site for it? It's a lot better to send it to the site where it'll get better answers than trying to edit it to a different question..." CreationDate="2013-04-04T05:14:07.180" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2323" PostId="1768" Score="0" Text="Yannis, please [take a look at recent questions](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/?tab=week). Last I checked, there is [over a 34% close rate](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1740/34-close-rate-for-last-50-questions-60-of-those-mention-the-reason) for visible questions asked recently -- and those require 5 votes a piece! I also check the review queue and there are many close flags there too. 80% may be too high (I do not have the tools to check), but over 50% is a given." CreationDate="2013-04-04T05:31:07.147" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2324" PostId="1768" Score="0" Text="FYI, in the &quot;weekly&quot; questions link I gave, 22 out of 37 questions (60%) are closed or have close votes currently." CreationDate="2013-04-04T05:36:37.700" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2325" PostId="1768" Score="1" Text="@Jim Although I disagree with the migration (but not with the fact that the question _also_ fits ProgSE), sometimes it's just too damn hard to decide where a question belongs (and the community isn't always right). The Workplace is still a beta site and when it's not (abundantly) clear if a (good) question belongs to the site you should take it as an excellent opportunity for a Meta discussion. I can understand how seeing close votes and flags amassing can feel a bit pressuring for a mod, but... you know you can always override them, right? ;)" CreationDate="2013-04-04T09:31:09.140" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2326" PostId="1768" Score="0" Text="@jmac Now that I had a chance to go over your Meta q, I must say I don't disagree with the closures. As for the perhaps high percentage: It's just a number, and by itself it doesn't mean anything. Programmers had a close ratio of about 40% for well over a year (spiking to as high as 60% at times), and it's _thriving_. If you find questions that you feel were incorrectly closed, work towards getting them re-opened. You mention the close queue, did you know that it only takes a (significant) edit for a closed question to automatically enter the re-open queue? It really is as simple as that." CreationDate="2013-04-04T09:36:21.790" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2327" PostId="1768" Score="0" Text="@Yannis I'm relatively new to this SE thing, and I won't pretend to know everything. If you check the [Area 51 Stats for TW](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/30887/the-workplace) you will see that the only issue is the lack of questions. Closing a good portion (30%+) isn't helping. I don't disagree with most of the closes, I disagree with the knee-jerk close votes without attempts at improvement, which in this case caused a good question to be migrated away. This just compounds the issue, which is why I brought it up." CreationDate="2013-04-04T10:27:45.450" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2328" PostId="1768" Score="1" Text="@jmac You can safely ignore the Area51 stats, they are useless. I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, I'm just suggesting a different approach. If you see closed questions that can be re-opened, work towards getting them re-opened. If you see closed questions where the closure hasn't been sufficiently explained, go ahead and post a comment yourself. Get into chat, talk to other regulars, work together to _improve_ and re-open questions. Fixating on a number, any number, is pointless. Leading by example is not." CreationDate="2013-04-04T10:35:48.003" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2332" PostId="1768" Score="0" Text="@Yannis my concern isn't about whether the question is open or closed, it is about building a community that is helpful. Most of us are not ideal users when we ask our first question ([hint hint](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/3270297/whats-your-remember-me-cookies-lifetime)). If that question was closed with no comment, would you have come back? (Yes, I know you answered a [closed question](http://stackoverflow.com/questions/821524/what-are-phps-advantages-over-ruby-on-rails-and-django/821613#821613) before ever asking one, but...)" CreationDate="2013-04-04T13:11:36.373" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2397" PostId="1769" Score="0" Text="*Be a bit jealous of your site – don’t blithely turn askers away ... help them tailor their question to fit into it* - First it was not blithely turned away.  But imagine this was a drivers SE and there was a Truckers SE.  A question was asked how do I parrallel park my truck.  And we said hey that is a good question but lets edit it and make it how do we parallel park.  It is the same question but it is not going to help the OP because the problem of parallel parking a car is very different than a big rig.  Lets ask the generalized verison of that question and compare the answers it gets." CreationDate="2013-04-10T12:53:39.307" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2398" PostId="1769" Score="0" Text="I also disagree with the general premise of `treating a Stack Exchange site as it's own standalone entity` - We are a network of sites and not leveraging each other where appropriate is crazy.  While I agree we should not just push any question to somewhere else, when it is fully on topic as asked elsewhere they should be migrated even if the question kinda fits here or could fit in with a little editing." CreationDate="2013-04-10T12:57:46.400" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2329" PostId="1770" Score="1" Text="TL;DR.  &lt;/jk&gt;  +1 for rep whore comment (and some solid thoughts in there)." CreationDate="2013-04-04T11:49:14.877" UserDisplayName="user1209" />
  <row Id="2331" PostId="1770" Score="0" Text="@GlenH7 I won't pretend I don't enjoy the 150 rep I've got from that answer (so far). ;)" CreationDate="2013-04-04T11:58:47.233" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2333" PostId="1770" Score="0" Text="Yannis, I think we've all got your number... ;-)" CreationDate="2013-04-04T14:08:37.400" UserDisplayName="user1209" />
  <row Id="2334" PostId="1770" Score="0" Text="Well said Yannis - so, SO glad to hear OP was well received on your site." CreationDate="2013-04-04T15:11:50.663" UserId="30" />
  <row Id="2336" PostId="1770" Score="1" Text="Could we possibly create a duplicate question back here on WP, and make it community wiki?  I feel that not having it here is a disservice to our users, and others who might look here for a similar problem (of course keep the 'official' version on P.se). Lets face it, the example given is specific to programmers, but the situation itself it not." CreationDate="2013-04-04T16:05:38.690" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2337" PostId="1770" Score="0" Text="@acolyte It's possible, but I don't think it's a really good idea. I'm not a fan of artificial questions and if someone is actually facing a similar problem and can't find an answer on the Workplace, they always have the option of asking a new question. I wouldn't really call not having a version of the question here a &quot;disservice to our users&quot;, that's too dramatic for my taste. The question got good answers, and that's the more important thing at the end of the day." CreationDate="2013-04-04T16:14:34.187" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2338" PostId="1770" Score="0" Text="@Yannis True enough.  I was simply tying to make it easier to find said good answers on both applicable sites." CreationDate="2013-04-04T16:33:37.553" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2339" PostId="1770" Score="1" Text="@acolyte Lots of similar situations have arisen in the past between Programmers and Stack Overflow (that overlap way more than Programmers and The Workplace), and I feel very confident when saying that _good_ questions will be re-asked eventually _on both sites_. If you think about it a key characteristic of a good question is that it's applicable to a wider audience, i.e. it's a common enough problem. A Workplace version of the question will appear at some point, don't worry about it." CreationDate="2013-04-04T16:42:24.047" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2341" PostId="1770" Score="1" Text="My problem with the question was that it could have easily be generalized to fit the workplace.  The problem is the solution at the workplace to the general problem would not fit the actual problem that Yannis quickly diagnosed.  It was a good question, I really did not want to encourage changing the question when I thought it might fit and find the right answer on programmers." CreationDate="2013-04-04T18:42:04.913" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2340" PostId="1771" Score="1" Text="Absolutely. This is why I want to change the FAQ some, because right now these elements are woven into there but not explicitly clear.  I'll change &quot;advice&quot; to &quot;feedback/validation&quot; because this is a big problem like you say." CreationDate="2013-04-04T16:45:14.050" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2342" PostId="1772" Score="1" Text="I agree.  I guess it's easy to forget that Workplace.SE is about the generalized workplace.  It's easy to just assume that W.SE is a workplace-related extension of Stack Overflow." CreationDate="2013-04-04T19:15:37.757" UserId="30" />
  <row Id="2345" PostId="1772" Score="0" Text="@AdamRackis and Chad: This is a problem, the Workplace needs more diverse content. Right now it's easy to just assume that it's a workplace-related extension of SO because, frankly, it is. The majority of the site's content is related to the IT / soft. dev. industry and we really need to work towards changing that. Also: [&quot;Much like The Workplace, we'd really like to see more content that isn't software development related.&quot;](http://meta.pm.stackexchange.com/a/589/1326) (just saying...)" CreationDate="2013-04-05T10:53:51.943" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2346" PostId="1772" Score="0" Text="@Yannis - I agree with that too.  Which is why for that question on the workplace it would really need to be generalised.  I am not a big fan of keeping off topic content around just to pad our stats.  I am also not a big fan of making bad questions barely passing so that they can open.  I feel the signal(good high quality questions) to noise(bad or barely passing questions) ratio is far too low." CreationDate="2013-04-05T12:53:52.123" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2347" PostId="1772" Score="0" Text="@Chad This was a very specific and tricky situation though, as the question came to Programmers with two off topic answers, and the end result is a bit of a mess. Had I caught this one early I wouldn't have sanctioned the migration just because of the existing answers alone, even though the question is on topic on Programmers." CreationDate="2013-04-05T13:01:30.503" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2348" PostId="1772" Score="2" Text="@yannis - I caught the question before the answers.  For some reason you mods do not feel the need to be at us users beck and call 24/7 - I expect you to work to rectify that :p" CreationDate="2013-04-05T13:15:57.757" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2349" PostId="1772" Score="0" Text="I also voted to close and like Chad, I simply felt that the OP would get a more useful answer at the other site.  And I didn't suggest changes because I too felt it was a perfectly good question in the wrong place." CreationDate="2013-04-05T13:50:47.097" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="2350" PostId="1772" Score="1" Text="@HLGEM And I don't disagree with either of you that the question is on topic on ProgSE (notice that I start my answer by saying I'm not giving it back). That's not the point, my main concern here is that it was _also_ a good question for The Workplace, and your first instinct should have been to keep it here and try to make it as great a Workplace question as it could be. Does it also fit Programmers? Great, start a discussion with the OP and suggest that they should also post a (tailored version) on Programmers. Cross posting is bad, except when the question is great. And this one was." CreationDate="2013-04-05T13:58:26.297" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2351" PostId="1772" Score="1" Text="@HLGEM That said, it was a tricky situation and I don't think anyone (really) blames the close voters (and if someone does, who cares). I hope this discussion will inspire us all to be a bit more jealous of our sites. Programmers is a mature site and its thriving, The Workplace has a long way to go until it graduates. Although I'm obviously more interested and invested on Programmers' success, I'd go as far as say that you should never again migrate good questions to us if there's a chance you could make them work here." CreationDate="2013-04-05T14:03:26.383" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2352" PostId="1772" Score="1" Text="@Yannis, I honestly did not think it was a good fit for this site. I think it is the kind of question that will turn off non-programers from coming here. They will see if at Workplace for programmers not Workplace. And the specialized aspects of how programmer work is changed is differnt from how work in handled in most other fields. It is ordinary for code to be changed by others where it is not at all ordinary in most other fields for work to be changed and thus the answer for her is differnt than the answer for an accountant and not useful to non-programmers." CreationDate="2013-04-05T14:23:21.480" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="2354" PostId="1772" Score="1" Text="`The whole point of these sites is to form a community around specific topics. There’s nothing more toxic to a community, in my experience, than not being able to set boundaries around it. To define what it is, and is not. If you allow discussing everything, you have allowed discussing nothing. There is no (good) community that can form around “let’s just talk about everything and tag it”.` [source](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/07/why-cant-you-have-just-one-site/)" CreationDate="2013-04-05T14:30:27.583" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2360" PostId="1772" Score="0" Text="count me in with Chad and @HLGEM - I was late to vote migration, but I would vote like they did. And above comment explains why - the topic was so much more specific to Programmers than Workplace that it would be better to migrate" CreationDate="2013-04-05T17:42:11.617" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2389" PostId="1773" Score="0" Text="Just for reference, [this is the &quot;greatest hits&quot; list for this site](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/greatest-hits). These are questions that are sorted by votes, anon feedback, and popularity/views. This listing is available (but unlinked) on all sites." CreationDate="2013-04-08T21:29:15.757" UserId="27" />
  <row Id="2551" PostId="1773" Score="0" Text="I am part of the user base that overlaps with SE and Programmers, but not PM. Just sayin'." CreationDate="2013-05-02T02:47:05.377" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="2355" PostId="1774" Score="3" Text="*we have a problem with people assuming all questions are software questions and answering in kind.* - I definitely agree with this statement. - But I would note that Aarthi is on the community team and part of the decision on graduation/axing of SE's.  So even if she is off base we need to change the perception that we are software baised" CreationDate="2013-04-05T14:50:20.067" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2358" PostId="1774" Score="2" Text="I do agree that we don't really have this problem as far as questions. Additionally, I'm not sure that's what Aarthi was saying - that sentence seems ambiguous to me. Could be &quot;we'd like to see more non-software content on PM, like on The Workplace&quot; *or* &quot;both PM and The Workplace need more non-software content&quot;" CreationDate="2013-04-05T17:24:36.007" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2364" PostId="1774" Score="2" Text="@enderland Note that Aarthi is talking about _content_ not questions, so for all you know &quot;we have a problem with people assuming all questions are software questions and answering in kind&quot; might be exactly what she means." CreationDate="2013-04-05T21:19:37.320" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2365" PostId="1774" Score="0" Text="@Yannis I doubt that given how subtle of a problem it is (at least it seems subtle to me). Might be worth asking :)" CreationDate="2013-04-05T21:20:34.900" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2366" PostId="1774" Score="1" Text="I'm also under the impression that a lot of the site's content is related to IT / soft. dev., but I'll admit I haven't been around much lately. That said, the battle plan you've laid out in your answer should be followed regardless of whether there's a content diversity issue or not." CreationDate="2013-04-05T21:24:32.720" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2367" PostId="1774" Score="0" Text="@Yannis while I think many of the questions originate from software people, but most of them are 100% relevant to non-software people. If anything is amiss about our questions, it's that we're missing the entire non-salary workplace demographic." CreationDate="2013-04-06T00:52:41.713" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2373" PostId="1774" Score="2" Text="@enderland - Most of our users are from a software background, and closing their questions simply because there's a software element may alienate this group. Is it possible for us to talk to our non-technical coworkers and encourage them to use our site instead?  +1 to the editing ideas though.  I don't see harm in trying to hide some of the sofware-specific details that aren't necessary to sort of take the focus off software, but we shouldn't close or downvote questions/answers simply because &quot;software&quot; is mentioned." CreationDate="2013-04-07T03:44:27.333" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2374" PostId="1774" Score="0" Text="[cont'd] - Building more on what you're saying about editing, what do you think about editing existing posts to tackle the non-software side of the workplace?  For instance, if answer A comes from a software perspective, is there harm in editing the content to tackle some other cases as well?  I'd think looking at the posts with the highest views would be a good place to start. Most of those asker's questions would have already been answered, so my thought is we're less likely to alienate anyone if we change what Google searchers are seeing...." CreationDate="2013-04-07T03:50:56.610" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2375" PostId="1774" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I'm not saying close all software questions. I'm saying close all poor questions. Generally speaking, questions super specific to software will *tend* to be poor, however." CreationDate="2013-04-07T03:55:13.457" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2376" PostId="1774" Score="0" Text="@enderland - Okay, great! I just wanted to address that so no one thinks &quot;oh, software question. boo! -1 -1&quot; :) as someone could misinterpret and start downvoting *any* software question.  With that said, I'm thinking that if we want to get more users that aren't from Stack Overflow, we need to think about where they're coming from, and that's Google searches.  So, if we look at the questions with the highest views and assume they're driving in the 1 rep newbies, maybe edits to that content could help people searching for non-technical workplace problems to more easily find the site also." CreationDate="2013-04-07T04:00:39.177" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2357" PostId="1775" Score="0" Text="I agree the op had just given the piece of information that was needed to pull that question together..." CreationDate="2013-04-05T17:23:00.773" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2361" PostId="1775" Score="1" Text="@HLGEM i'm going to point out that your &quot;repost&quot; doesn't quite seem to match up to the original.  OP in the original didn't give indication (unless he edited it after i last saw the question) of him seeking the promotion.  It was more that he was upset that the one getting the promotion was less experienced.  OP was not &quot;in competition for [the] promotion&quot;." CreationDate="2013-04-05T17:43:38.027" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2362" PostId="1775" Score="1" Text="You can change it, if you think it needs it . I made that assumnmption since he specifically mentions office plitics which are usually not as much a conern if you aren't trying to get promoted." CreationDate="2013-04-05T18:06:06.663" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="2363" PostId="1775" Score="0" Text="I thought he also explicitly said he did not play politics and such, implying that he wasn't jockeying for the position.  regardless, the question as you worded it is a very good one, so i don't think we should make any real changes unless original OP requests." CreationDate="2013-04-05T19:00:32.770" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2356" PostId="1776" Score="1" Text="Too bad, it had the germ of a nice question in it." CreationDate="2013-04-05T17:21:59.243" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="2359" PostId="1776" Score="1" Text="@HLGEM If you want to make an edit to increase the quality, perhaps you can change Quinma's mind about deletion." CreationDate="2013-04-05T17:27:04.347" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2368" PostId="1777" Score="0" Text="I don't see anything software-localized about that question.  What am I missing here?" CreationDate="2013-04-06T04:30:08.850" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2369" PostId="1777" Score="0" Text="@NickC sorry I was referring to what I edited in." CreationDate="2013-04-06T11:36:25.997" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2370" PostId="1778" Score="2" Text="I wanted to say great job on writing that question. Most posts written by third parties have that third-party feel to them, but your use of the first person makes it look genuine!" CreationDate="2013-04-06T19:11:45.627" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2371" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="I think that we should keep the topic of the migration to its own question.  It really is not an arguement that needs to be had in 2 places, and it distracts from the core of this question." CreationDate="2013-04-07T01:12:51.047" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2372" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="@Chad - Sure, that's fair. My intention isn't to bring that discussion here. I just wanted to emphasize that exclusion of one particular part of our core audience may not help in our diversification efforts. I'm hoping we can come up with some good ideas for expanding who uses our site. :)" CreationDate="2013-04-07T03:32:40.163" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="15434" PostId="1779" Score="0" Text="I'd appreciate getting your opinion on this, @jmort253   https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5225/should-we-reach-out-to-users-on-other-stackexchange-sites-to-diversify-the-conte?noredirect=1#comment15433_5225" CreationDate="2018-05-22T13:31:33.827" UserId="32037" />
  <row Id="2377" PostId="1780" Score="1" Text="Related: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/395/869" CreationDate="2013-04-08T13:17:19.703" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2385" PostId="1780" Score="0" Text="Why are people familiar with your SO account?  That doesn't seem like very necessary information for them to have." CreationDate="2013-04-08T19:08:58.733" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2386" PostId="1780" Score="0" Text="@Jim also, I feel quite strongly against anonymous posting in general.  Yes, there will always exist some exceptions, but as a general rule I feel that people should be willing to stand behind their words and actions.  In this case, such care would be keeping your SE account information more private...but that doesn't quite remedy pre-existing situations." CreationDate="2013-04-08T19:18:41.123" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2387" PostId="1780" Score="0" Text="@acolyte While that makes sense for answers, it doesn't really apply to questions. Not standing behind/supporting your answer calls its legitimacy into question. Not wanting it associated with you is a sign that you probably shouldn't have even posted it. For questions, though, it's different. You don't need to back up a request for help any more than writing an answerable, on-topic question." CreationDate="2013-04-08T19:23:00.743" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3865" PostId="1780" Score="1" Text="@acolyte - If one is an active SO user, then your SO account can be a good thing to show potential employers - it demonstrates your value." CreationDate="2014-02-09T21:16:55.110" UserDisplayName="user10911" />
  <row Id="4587" PostId="1780" Score="0" Text="Related: [Is it a better idea to post at the Workplace with a different account?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/517/is-it-a-better-idea-to-post-at-the-workplace-with-a-different-account) and [How can I ask questions on this site anonymously?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1911/how-can-i-ask-questions-on-this-site-anonymously)" CreationDate="2014-04-17T15:27:11.037" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4592" PostId="1780" Score="0" Text="see also: [Why separate Stack Exchange accounts?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/69422/why-separate-stack-exchange-accounts) at MSE" CreationDate="2014-04-18T10:55:03.080" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2379" PostId="1782" Score="0" Text="there is a large collection at MSO: **[Hidden features of Stack Overflow?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/8211/165773)**" CreationDate="2013-04-08T16:16:44.410" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2390" PostId="1782" Score="1" Text="Additionally, be sure to check out [StackApps](http://stackapps.com), which is the site for those who build Userscripts and browser extensions that enhance Stack Exchange using the Stack Exchange API. There are all sorts of features the community has added that aren't part of the core of Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2013-04-09T02:10:44.600" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2380" PostId="1783" Score="0" Text="o.O  i never knew that priveleges page existed.  I was going mostly off of what was in the FAQ regarding reputation.  I see now that the thing I was talking about comes from being an established user&quot;.  Still, it feels like there could be a better way of notifying users of abilities and things they unlock, as they unlock them." CreationDate="2013-04-08T16:45:16.480" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2381" PostId="1783" Score="0" Text="You can get to the priveleges page by hovering over the triangle at the top of the page next to your name, then clicking &quot;priveleges&quot;. Some of them do notify you. There are certain factors that affect that, though. I'll see if I can find details." CreationDate="2013-04-08T16:47:43.823" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2382" PostId="1783" Score="0" Text="Might be out date, but this describes approximately whether or not you will get notified: http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/84317/167443" CreationDate="2013-04-08T16:49:17.950" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2384" PostId="1783" Score="0" Text="Ok, thanks for this." CreationDate="2013-04-08T19:05:45.220" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2388" PostId="1784" Score="4" Text="No. this is one of my least favorite features of the Stack Exchange network." CreationDate="2013-04-08T19:42:27.703" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2408" PostId="1786" Score="1" Text="maybe it's a better result, but it's a pain to have to deal with the &quot;oops&quot; situation which should be solvable simply by removing your close vote" CreationDate="2013-04-12T18:37:23.683" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2391" PostId="1787" Score="7" Text="Yes. The flag queue is currently empty on the main site, and I am in the process of taking care of the one flag on meta. Is there any post in particular you think needs some action?" CreationDate="2013-04-09T12:33:26.047" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2421" PostId="1788" Score="0" Text="I generally flag only in extreme cases where it gets rude or offensive. Any other and i feel like i'm just nagging at users" CreationDate="2013-04-13T18:47:57.923" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2402" PostId="1790" Score="0" Text="This is not *entirely* accurate. The flags can still be seen (via user's flagging history or by directly visiting the post; and are visible in the queue, but only when there are other flags on the same post), but can't be handled in any way." CreationDate="2013-04-11T15:13:43.813" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2403" PostId="1790" Score="0" Text="Yeah, you can see them the same way you can see other deleted flags, @Jim - but normally you do have to go looking for them." CreationDate="2013-04-11T15:29:06.750" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="2567" PostId="1790" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 - Just curious - Any progress on this front? I've found quite a few comments today which need to be cleaned up." CreationDate="2013-05-07T20:25:20.947" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2569" PostId="1790" Score="0" Text="It'll be a few weeks yet 'til the new system is rolled out, @Jim. For now, we've reset your flag weight (to half the default) - so you can flag again, if you make 'em good." CreationDate="2013-05-08T00:06:36.357" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="2392" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="Yes, that is the question that brought this to my attention.  In the case of this question, yes both &quot;salary&quot; and &quot;salaried-pay&quot; might make sense (though only the latter is NEEDED, the former contributes nothing really).  is this just a situation where we have to accept that a tag is being used incorrectly, and has become so pervasive that it's impossible to correct at this point?" CreationDate="2013-04-09T18:03:38.170" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2396" PostId="1792" Score="1" Text="I wonder how many people actually know the difference?" CreationDate="2013-04-10T01:08:09.860" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2406" PostId="1792" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I suspect most people know the difference but whether people use that on this site? Probably not to that questino..." CreationDate="2013-04-12T17:27:11.047" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2395" PostId="1793" Score="1" Text="I might have missed responding to something -- feel free to ask me to clarify or append to this answer. :)" CreationDate="2013-04-09T22:11:18.463" UserId="27" />
  <row Id="2399" PostId="1793" Score="2" Text="For much of the site's existence, the &quot;problem&quot; wasn't one of perception, but a real one and a direct result of the site's origins. The site was proposed on A51 to counteract the closures of career related questions on Programmers by a (then) Programmers moderator, and during its early days the vast majority of users were also Programmers' regulars. I have lost touch with the site lately (lack of time), so I'm not 100% sure what's going on now, but I'm happy to see the regulars feel the site's content is getting more diverse, it's certainly a step in the right direction." CreationDate="2013-04-10T15:15:06.667" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2400" PostId="1793" Score="3" Text="The [greatest slaps](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/greatest-hits) err hits link does a good job of convincing me we do not have a problem with too many software questions here." CreationDate="2013-04-10T16:14:15.050" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2424" PostId="1794" Score="0" Text="I've asked about this [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/176500/do-declined-comment-flags-contribute-to-becoming-hell-banned)" CreationDate="2013-04-14T16:51:22.713" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2425" PostId="1794" Score="0" Text="To summarize the answer from enderland's question. Comment flags that are declined do not negatively affect your ability to continue flagging." CreationDate="2013-04-14T20:50:30.193" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2401" PostId="1795" Score="0" Text="I agree with all these except sometimes the +1 comments. Depending on how many total comments are on the post, and what else the +1 comment contains, I would consider leaving them for reasons explained [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/175155/158605). They can be useful :)" CreationDate="2013-04-10T18:03:21.950" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2404" PostId="1796" Score="3" Text="Thanks @Shog9 - I didn't think to tag it" CreationDate="2013-04-11T21:00:12.817" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2407" PostId="1797" Score="1" Text="Don't forget the reason why &quot;Should I take job A or job B&quot; is off-topic is because it is a highly localized question that only the OP can answer for themselves. Often those questions are based on some key piece of information that affect the OP's decision, so you can rephrase the question to help them get the information they're missing about the deciding factor. In this case, I think the OP just wants to know what he should do when he doesn't get an official job offer letter for 3 weeks after a verbal offer, and has another offer waiting, so I rephrased the question to focus on that :)" CreationDate="2013-04-12T17:39:34.343" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2405" PostId="1799" Score="0" Text="I have edited it up a bit to generalize the question, let me know what you think." CreationDate="2013-04-12T14:36:04.690" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2409" PostId="1799" Score="0" Text="@acolyte - The only way I can see to make the question on topic is to remove the second offer from the question. Ask what you can do to find out the status of the original offer." CreationDate="2013-04-12T19:54:34.110" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2410" PostId="1800" Score="1" Text="As have I. Reopened." CreationDate="2013-04-12T19:58:16.440" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2411" PostId="1801" Score="3" Text="[DELETE ALL THE THINGS!](http://memecrunch.com/meme/2D24/delete-all-the-things/image.png)" CreationDate="2013-04-12T20:16:57.047" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2412" PostId="1801" Score="1" Text="@Yannis flagged for deletion. ;)" CreationDate="2013-04-12T20:19:18.430" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2413" PostId="1801" Score="1" Text="Spoilsport......" CreationDate="2013-04-12T20:23:57.693" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2414" PostId="1801" Score="0" Text="just kidding :-)" CreationDate="2013-04-12T20:26:00.973" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2423" PostId="1801" Score="0" Text="if there would be [grace period for deleted posts](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/171782/165773 &quot;as explained here&quot;) then I would say that [cross-posts](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/cross-posting/info &quot;what's this&quot;) without answers should have been mod-deleted immediately. Without such a grace period though, a lot of things get more complicated than it could be" CreationDate="2013-04-13T20:42:47.623" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2415" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="Here is a search I use when looking for questions that meet the above criteria.  You have to start from the bottom of the list though. http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?tab=votes&amp;q=closed%3a1%20score%3a-15%20answers%3a0" CreationDate="2013-04-12T22:52:00.127" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2416" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="The main thing is I hate it when we get streaks of bad questions so our front page is FLOODED with closed, -5 vote question. Do I vote to delete these? Maybe we need more &quot;should we delete this post&quot; questions on meta in these circumstances?" CreationDate="2013-04-13T00:19:34.857" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2417" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="@enderland The front page shows active questions, and I disagree with deleting Active questions in most cases. Usually the OP just needs help understanding the site and rephrasing the question. Also, questions scored too low won't show up on the front page :)" CreationDate="2013-04-13T05:17:04.523" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2418" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="If the question is poor and the only answers contain 'destructive' advice, i would say it is also a candidate for deletion. Destructive advice could be anywhere from 'Quit' with giving no reasons why or alternatives to obvious destruction like 'Slap your boss'" CreationDate="2013-04-13T18:37:34.203" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2419" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="Also @Rachel there are cases where the active questions page is fine, but the newest questions page is a stream of all negatives. Would you apply the same behaviour in those cases?" CreationDate="2013-04-13T18:38:57.397" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2420" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="@RhysW Yes, I would. If someone posts a bad question I think its important we teach them (and others viewing the post) why it's considered a bad question, and give them a chance to fix it before deleting it. Simply deleting it teaches them nothing, and quick deletion of positively scored or useful posts can do the community more harm than good." CreationDate="2013-04-13T18:46:48.620" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2422" PostId="1802" Score="2" Text="@Rachel on the flip side, i feel that we keep around all of these bad questions as we feel 'deleting teaches them nothing' i feel all we are accomplishing is leaving poor examples for new users, especially when a lot of the time the users never come back to edit the question and never seem to learn anything from it" CreationDate="2013-04-13T18:49:39.383" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2426" PostId="1802" Score="2" Text="@Rhys - I'd like to see more people participating in voting to delete and undelete.  Left to my own devices, I'm most likely just going to delete posts that match what was posted in the FAQ. With community participation, the decision to delete or not delete is made based on the wishes of the community as a whole and not just a single individual.  It also helps with those boundary cases, which I prefer to leave to the community to decide.  With that said, I do agree that if a post still has activity on it, we should try to see if we can improve it before removing it. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-04-14T20:55:18.077" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2427" PostId="1802" Score="1" Text="@RhysW I feel deleting posts quickly without giving the user a chance to respond and/or edit their post does the community more harm than good. There's even been some recent [MSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/171763/158605) [posts](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/173513/158605) from SE employees asking for solutions to dealing with premature deletions as well" CreationDate="2013-04-15T11:55:52.593" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2428" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="@Rachel agreed, im not talking about immediate deletion, but our approach to retrospective deletion doesnt seem to be working, were flooded with more and more poor questions each day, i rarely see a day now where there isnt  stream of 4-5 negative questions one after the other. I think we need to be more proactive to our approach and less reactive. We've tried reactive and it isn't working as well as we hoped" CreationDate="2013-04-15T12:18:57.150" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2429" PostId="1802" Score="1" Text="@RhysW We've also seen a big increase in the number of users though. I think we need better user education about the site, not more proactive deletions. I went on a mini rant about this in chat recently... main ideas would be to [change the tag line to be about our topic, and not our type of user](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8870752#8870752) and [make a New User meta post specifically aimed at New  Users](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8875515#8875515)" CreationDate="2013-04-15T12:34:52.490" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2430" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="@Rachel that seems logical, and i agree 100% on the tag line, i think that's a big cause of the misunderstanding on this site!" CreationDate="2013-04-15T12:37:29.673" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="13250" PostId="1802" Score="0" Text="I vote to delete anything that asks for advice on illegal activity if the querent is asking how to break the law." CreationDate="2017-08-08T20:19:39.607" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="2431" PostId="1803" Score="1" Text="Do you think most of the Dear Abby posts are from new users or existing users?  Who are you thinking this needs to be communicated to the most?" CreationDate="2013-04-16T00:52:39.053" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2432" PostId="1803" Score="4" Text="@Jmort253 new users, the amount of 1 or 101 rep people asking questions that are about their experience and wanting a reply is growing by the day" CreationDate="2013-04-16T09:19:19.247" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2444" PostId="1803" Score="0" Text="I think we need a clear &quot;how to ask a good question here&quot; post on Meta which we can use as a reference when closing questions which people complain about &quot;omg why you close my question!!!&quot; and link to. I think this is far more important than any minor/significant changes to things most people probably don't read before posting questions (at least the people who are asking questions not matching the format). A post like this can explain - in detail - why we are NOT &quot;Dear Workplace&quot; and give some details." CreationDate="2013-04-18T14:47:25.330" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2445" PostId="1803" Score="0" Text="I'm hoping to have some time to write something like this but haven't been able to really give it the full attention it deserves - not something I can write up quickly" CreationDate="2013-04-18T14:48:18.677" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2446" PostId="1803" Score="0" Text="@enderland I agree, we definitely should create a &quot;New User&quot; MSO post and put it in our FAQ, like [Skeptics.SE](http://meta.skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/1505/welcome-to-new-users) has. But like you said, that's a time-consuming project. A change to our mini site description is much faster/easier to do, and I think it will definitely help out" CreationDate="2013-04-18T15:05:38.093" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2553" PostId="1804" Score="0" Text="Accepting my own answer because the FAQ and About pages have been updated with this text :)" CreationDate="2013-05-02T13:52:58.087" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2437" PostId="1805" Score="0" Text="I find the best solution right now is to be sure to leave a comment that you made a significant edit so users know the post has changed (or if you didn't make the edit, leave a comment pointing out that a change was made to greatly improve the post, like *&quot;+1 for your revised answer, it's a huge improvement on the original&quot;*). I find comments that point out a significant edit typically get upvotes so they float to the top, and other voters can easily understand the post's past history and judge it accordingly." CreationDate="2013-04-17T14:19:34.053" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2438" PostId="1805" Score="2" Text="@Rachel but the poeple who dont come back to the questions, the ones who downvote and leave, who never come back to check comments or edits or votes, will always have that downvote tarnishing what is now a good answer. Especially when there is only a small window after an edit where your votes can be changed" CreationDate="2013-04-17T14:23:43.430" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2439" PostId="1805" Score="0" Text="I support the downvoter message system." CreationDate="2013-04-17T16:45:38.057" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2440" PostId="1805" Score="0" Text="@RhysW Why is it important for the _same_ people to come back to the question? The edit (if it's any good) will most probably bring new attention to the post and perhaps some upvotes. Why does it matter where the upvotes come from? Also, the small window you refer to is 5 minutes after you (up/down)voted, and it's there mostly just in case you made a mistake (quite easy to make such mistakes in a tiny mobile screen, for example). If there's an edit _after_ you voted, there are no time restrictions on changing your vote, you can change it at any time." CreationDate="2013-04-18T05:09:47.060" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2442" PostId="1805" Score="2" Text="@Yannis because 8 downvotes and 4 upvotes still leaves negative 4. I would like to encourage the same people back so that we have an accurate representation of the level of expertise portrayed by the answer. +10 - 5 leaves it overall of 5, which is no longer accurate if the -5 would have reversed their vote if they knew it was edited." CreationDate="2013-04-18T09:00:46.517" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2441" PostId="1806" Score="2" Text="That's unfortunate that it's been rejected, thanks for the useful links" CreationDate="2013-04-18T07:53:40.713" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2443" PostId="1807" Score="2" Text="ugh I dislike &quot;general guidance&quot; phrase as I think that's going to promote the &quot;Dear Workplace, halp me plz&quot; type questions which are bad questions." CreationDate="2013-04-18T14:44:33.253" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2447" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="Guidance -- not advice. General -- not specific/localized. We cannot define the Workplace by what it *isn't*, only by what it is. If you have a better suggestion, please share." CreationDate="2013-04-18T15:12:05.020" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2448" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="I guess I read guidance as basically synonymous with advice - especially when coupled with 'general.'" CreationDate="2013-04-18T15:17:25.277" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2451" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="If the truckers do say things like that it is already welcome here, Professional setting means nothing more than the setting in which they work in. Youre reading too much into it thinking its just the office. The reason it is phrased as such is to exclude questions from school children, parents asking about parenting issues etc. but the key part is the *professional* part, it has to be related to work, not just any old conflict of interests" CreationDate="2013-04-19T09:55:02.693" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2454" PostId="1807" Score="0" Text="@jmac - Many successful Stack Exchange site's clearly define the boundaries of the topic in the FAQ by clearly listing what is and isn't off-topic. We haven't quite done that yet. See [Super User's FAQ](http://superuser.com/faq) for an example.  With that said, the FAQ is malleable. If we add things to the &quot;What it isn't about&quot; list and find that we put something in there that shouldn't be, we can always go back in and remove it." CreationDate="2013-04-20T17:22:32.520" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2449" PostId="1808" Score="0" Text="That is a good point, i will endeavor to use meta more where needed. I try to keep track of most of the active questions while i can" CreationDate="2013-04-18T15:37:36.183" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2450" PostId="1808" Score="2" Text="Just make sure you don't abuse the system. If people think you're posting on meta just to beg for upvotes, the opposite may happen, and more downvotes may result. If you post on meta, make sure you're legitimately asking for help; you want positive attention on your post, not just *any* attention. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-04-19T06:00:37.880" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2452" PostId="1808" Score="1" Text="hence &quot;if the question is good&quot; ;)" CreationDate="2013-04-19T11:00:26.580" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2455" PostId="1810" Score="0" Text="Look at [revision 1](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/11236/1) and [revision 2](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/11236/2) of this new post. I edited out the meta commentary and the vague questions and replaced with what I'm guessing is the real question. Even if the guess is wrong, and the op never comes back to correct this, would this not be a better question for our site than removing it, or worse, having it never being asked in the first place?" CreationDate="2013-04-20T20:47:09.320" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2467" PostId="1810" Score="0" Text="This is great, but can we still update the &quot;What kind of questions can I ask here?&quot; section of our FAQ and the opening of the About page to be something like [the wording I suggested in my answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1804/316) so the first impression given is that of a Q&amp;A site about a topic, and not a Q&amp;A site to just ask other members of the workforce about your situation at the workplace? :)" CreationDate="2013-04-22T14:22:37.810" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2470" PostId="1810" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - I can make the changes, as long as we continue to be open to more changes. I'd hate to see the FAQ taken too literally, where legitimate topics are thrown out the window simply because they're not listed in the FAQ.  I'm sure we've forgotten something. ;)" CreationDate="2013-04-22T21:29:12.160" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2456" PostId="1811" Score="1" Text="+1 - The FAQ can definitely be changed, but as you can probably see from this post, this is a lot of information to pack into an already-verbose FAQ; more isn't always better. My suggestion is to picture this as a completely separate document -- a companion to the FAQ -- that focuses purely on question-asking tips for new users. Ideally, the tips should focus on the goal of preventing closure or reopening a closed post. In short, I'd suggest keeping out any introductory language and focus on just the tips. The more concise we are, the easier it will be to read." CreationDate="2013-04-21T18:54:28.773" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2457" PostId="1811" Score="1" Text="I also made this post community wiki, so anyone, even those without full editing privileges, can participate." CreationDate="2013-04-21T19:14:24.887" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2474" PostId="1811" Score="0" Text="I think that according to [this chat comment](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/9096004#9096004) from enderland, we may be better off creating a separate 'reference' community wiki just to point typical bad answers to. One answer for &quot;Agony Aunt&quot; questions, one answer for &quot;Which job should I take?&quot; questions, etc. The question itself should just be, &quot;We want you to participate, but to maintain the quality of the site there are certain questions we will close/downvote on sight&quot; and give explicit reasons." CreationDate="2013-04-23T01:12:27.753" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2475" PostId="1811" Score="1" Text="@jmac - I agree 100%. For this tool to be successful, the material must be concise. The more tailored the information is to the specific situation, the better chance the poster will take the information as helpful and useful. Additionally, I don't think linking to the doc alone will help by itself, we need to [Think Bold](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1820/98)." CreationDate="2013-04-23T01:56:40.957" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2476" PostId="1811" Score="0" Text="So then perhaps it should be a two-pronged approach. A set of aggressive edits coupled with a community wiki entry that we can link to in the comments explaining the policy and what sorts of posts we aggressively edit (the above agony aunt questions, etc.)?" CreationDate="2013-04-23T02:00:59.940" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2478" PostId="1811" Score="1" Text="@jmac - That's sort of what I had in mind. I feel like editing can be a way of showing someone how to get from point A to point B, sort of like teaching someone to fish instead of just giving them a fish.  Now, while our edits might not be perfect, I'm hoping that maybe such an experiment might lead to more askers having &quot;aha!&quot; moments, and consequently making some final edits of their own that lead to the results we're looking for." CreationDate="2013-04-23T02:05:06.400" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2479" PostId="1811" Score="2" Text="Also, I'm not sure policy is the right word. I feel like &quot;guidelines&quot; or &quot;tips&quot; would be much better. Sure, you and I can think it's a policy, one developed by the community, but using a bit of psychology in our approach to enforcing that policy through patience, guidance, and teaching might lead to better results." CreationDate="2013-04-23T02:07:12.283" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2480" PostId="1811" Score="3" Text="Is there any way we can get a nice warning along the lines of, &quot;The Workplace is open to anyone -- before posting, assume your boss or coworkers may read what you wrote.&quot; That may prevent some of the rants and complaints?" CreationDate="2013-04-23T02:55:09.557" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2487" PostId="1811" Score="0" Text="@jmac im in favour of that, a gentle reminder that what they say might not be as anonymous as they think might help curb some of these" CreationDate="2013-04-24T10:12:02.970" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2531" PostId="1811" Score="0" Text="That uncredited image appears to be a commercial stock-photo, used without fair-use. If you have paid for its use, that should be mentioned. Otherwise, the image should be removed as it violates copyright." CreationDate="2013-04-30T19:41:53.170" UserId="1547" />
  <row Id="2464" PostId="1813" Score="0" Text="I'm trying to think of a question here that couldn't be rephrased as &quot;What should I do?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-04-22T14:01:51.037" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="2465" PostId="1813" Score="0" Text="Also, I question your &quot;good&quot; examples there. *What are key differences between a large company and a small company to consider when evaluating a job offer?* - Argumentative and polling. *How can I prevent a coworker from continuing to steal my office supplies?* - What should I do? *What are the factors I should consider before doing XXXXX?* - Polling and not a problem that needs solving." CreationDate="2013-04-22T14:05:01.850" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="2468" PostId="1813" Score="0" Text="@pdr - Feel free to bring in different examples if you have better ones. I think the person who posted this was just trying to get us started, and he mentioned in chat earlier that he welcomes edits, so go for it. :)  Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-04-22T19:26:42.077" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2469" PostId="1813" Score="1" Text="The problem is that I really don't know what we're going for, right now. I keep hearing that we're not an advice column, but 90% of our good questions are &quot;how do I deal with ...&quot; which is, by definition, asking for advice. The bad ones tend to be &quot;I'm going to do this and I'm looking for absolution / what I've forgotten.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-04-22T21:01:14.770" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="2471" PostId="1813" Score="0" Text="@pdr - I hear you. But I think I'm starting to see that it really just comes down to how those posts are worded. &quot;What should I do&quot; can be turned into something more direct and to the point. The challenge we're learning to overcome is how to tell the difference between questions that just need to be reworded for clarity and questions that just aren't a good fit.  I'm hoping the New User Guide can be a tool for improving the questions that could be a good fit, with some editing. In other words, I'd like to save those questions you're referring to." CreationDate="2013-04-22T21:35:04.113" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2472" PostId="1813" Score="0" Text="In short, many advice questions have potential to be good Q&amp;A, but they need to be more direct, concise, less ranty, more focused on a goal. Editing for grammar and formatting is a good first step towards telling the difference. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-04-22T21:36:38.737" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2477" PostId="1814" Score="0" Text="One suggestion I have is to focus only on the do's and on the positives. For instance, the section, &quot;Answers the underlying Question&quot;, could be reworded to focus on what *to do* instead of on what *not to do*.  We might consider removing the subsection, &quot;Responds to a High Quality Question&quot; altogether; it gives this sort of a negative vibe." CreationDate="2013-04-23T02:02:06.357" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2473" PostId="1819" Score="0" Text="I think this should be added to [this question on meta](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1811/new-users-guide) in a different form." CreationDate="2013-04-23T01:09:34.787" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2483" PostId="1819" Score="0" Text="Absolutely! I just posted [this start](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1813/2322) to a guide to specifically address the rant/complaining questions as I think you are absolutely correct!" CreationDate="2013-04-23T13:54:07.983" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2484" PostId="1819" Score="0" Text="Also, unrelated, but I think some answers to questions about the workplace can definitely be family/marriage domain types of answers (and validly). [This question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/11274/is-there-an-effective-personal-strategy-or-methodology-to-stop-bringing-work-iss) is a great example in my opinion of one such question." CreationDate="2013-04-23T13:55:26.067" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2485" PostId="1819" Score="2" Text="Try slapping them" CreationDate="2013-04-23T20:34:30.113" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2489" PostId="1819" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure I see the problem as long as we edit the question to be &quot;there is this problem in the workplace, how can I address it?&quot; without ranting; close the ones that are too rant-y, unanswerable, or duplicate. I mean if it weren't a problem people wouldn't want to rant about it..." CreationDate="2013-04-24T11:43:25.743" UserId="2196" />
  <row Id="2532" PostId="1819" Score="1" Text="You could also use the title &quot;The Dunning-Kruger Effect&quot;" CreationDate="2013-04-30T19:54:42.597" UserId="8908" />
  <row Id="2544" PostId="1819" Score="1" Text="Well, nothing like a tweet from @codinghorror https://twitter.com/codinghorror/status/329313475438460928 to up the ol' view count." CreationDate="2013-05-01T15:56:12.130" UserId="375" />
  <row Id="2562" PostId="1819" Score="1" Text="Just close and delete rants, and allow reopening if sanitised" CreationDate="2013-05-06T10:34:15.923" UserId="873" />
  <row Id="2563" PostId="1819" Score="0" Text="Since it's a work-PLACE Q&amp;A site, of course a lot of questions are going to be about externalized problems: &quot;I'm okay, whereas something/someone in the workplace is not.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-05-06T19:57:04.970" UserId="326" />
  <row Id="17674" PostId="1819" Score="0" Text="My guess is that if one is motivated to post a question here, usually the hardship involves others. If I recognize a mistake of mine, there is plenty advice on the web on how to apologize, or I can just live with the damage I've done. When someone needs a solution, very likely he/she is going through hardship that involves others. If others were perfect, that would not be a problem, but since they aren't, a question could lead to a solution. Of course the asker flaws have influence on their workplace, but unless they're relevant to the solution, they need not be a part of the question." CreationDate="2019-02-03T02:49:19.937" UserId="85657" />
  <row Id="17675" PostId="1819" Score="0" Text="Additionally, if questions of such type are so common, maybe there should be a few example questions that can be pointed by comments, such that OP should read similar but to duplicate questions and have some enlightenment. Maybe find a few cases where it's simple to conclude that OP was arrogant and not so competent to begin with, and he's failing to deal with flawed people, and failing to recognize his shortcomings as well." CreationDate="2019-02-03T02:51:29.023" UserId="85657" />
  <row Id="2481" PostId="1821" Score="0" Text="Thanks! I think that's significantly better than what we originally had :) (Also, I had completely forgotten that I had posted something else on meta about this subject!)" CreationDate="2013-04-23T11:55:56.873" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2482" PostId="1821" Score="0" Text="(I still think we need to change the wording of the opening line though... the FAQ begins with *&quot;What kind of questions can I ask here?&quot;* which is still answered by *&quot;This is a site for members of the workforce navigating the professional setting. For example, ...&quot;*, which I still think implies that any question for a member of the workforce is OK, and says nothing about the fact the site is for a specific topic only. ;)" CreationDate="2013-04-23T12:57:29.990" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2486" PostId="1822" Score="0" Text="Hi Rachel, do you remember the [&quot;elevator pitch&quot; from &quot;The 7 Essential Questions of Every Beta&quot;?](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/07/the-7-essential-meta-questions-of-every-beta/). Do you think you could summarize the elevator pitch into one sentence, as suggested in the blog article? Keep in mind, most of what you wrote I already bulleted in the FAQ." CreationDate="2013-04-24T03:56:46.443" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2488" PostId="1822" Score="4" Text="@jmort253 Hrrmmm that's tough, but I would simply go with the first sentence there: *&quot;The Workplace Stack Exchange is a Q&amp;A site about the workplace and other career-related topics.&quot;* It explains what the site is about in a single sentence. Who the site is for could easily be added in the 2nd paragraph, although the site is really for more than just members of the workforce - it could also be for job seekers, retirees, students, etc. I suppose if you really wanted to put an audience in the first sentence, I would tack on &quot;for members of the workforce&quot; at the end of the first sentence." CreationDate="2013-04-24T11:24:43.957" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2529" PostId="1822" Score="5" Text="this is a great change and should go in!" CreationDate="2013-04-30T19:17:54.393" UserId="2071" />
  <row Id="2541" PostId="1822" Score="0" Text="I agree it's a good change in general, but it's unclear to me how it would decrease the number of &quot;undesirable&quot; questions received. All of the questions above could easily qualify under this new FAQ. @JohnMcG states that these question are &quot;not quite what we're looking for&quot; but I've yet to see a definition of what we ARE looking for in questions to this SE, if these are not it. We need a welcoming way to request questions, as Rachel says, &quot;about the _topic_ of the workplace, and not...questions about _your situation_ at the workplace.&quot; I'll sleep on that." CreationDate="2013-05-01T05:26:22.570" UserId="8523" />
  <row Id="2490" PostId="1823" Score="1" Text="&quot;The next step is finding the right competitive edge or gamification technique that will encourage a large amount of users to start advertising the site to a broader audience.&quot; - Isn't a [gold badge](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/badges/61/publicist) enough?" CreationDate="2013-04-25T17:21:42.127" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2552" PostId="1823" Score="0" Text="Yannis--facebook credits might go further ;)" CreationDate="2013-05-02T02:52:11.980" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="2520" PostId="1825" Score="0" Text="+1: *While it's quite possible this is not a real, actual problem the asker is facing, we shouldn't take this too literally; it is a real, actual problem someone might likely face or perhaps a problem the asker may have even faced in the past or will face in the future.* - I totally support this; but I've seen other questions closed because the OP wasn't actually facing the stated problem themselves." CreationDate="2013-04-27T19:00:53.743" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2522" PostId="1825" Score="1" Text="Hi @JimG., perhaps the posts had other issues, or perhaps the askers weren't able to word the question in quite the right manner. Asking questions about something you're not quite familiar with can sometimes be difficult, and I suspect that's perhaps why the questions you're thinking of may have been closed. If questions are closed that are redeemable, I'm hoping some bold edits can help save the day. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-04-28T04:04:01.223" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2526" PostId="1825" Score="1" Text="@JimG. - There is a difference between a made problem post like &quot;My boss slapped my wife&quot; and a question that many people are facing every day.  We have had quite a few questions that have been closed as rants about their dress code.  This question was really my attempt to provide a canonical answer that we could reference for them." CreationDate="2013-04-29T18:45:14.203" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2527" PostId="1825" Score="0" Text="@Chad: I have no problem with that. In fact, I wholeheartedly support it. // Months ago, some moderators were enforcing &quot;other rules&quot; and we can just leave it at that." CreationDate="2013-04-29T19:46:39.537" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2491" PostId="1827" Score="3" Text="+1 for *How can I get him to realize what a colossal boob he is?* classic" CreationDate="2013-04-26T13:15:03.407" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2561" PostId="1827" Score="0" Text="Anyone have any ideas on how the example question could be reworded to be more constructive?  Showing what the op should have asked may help others see how they could edit their posts as well." CreationDate="2013-05-04T18:30:05.570" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2503" PostId="1828" Score="1" Text="Although I like the examples being fun, at first I thought this was illustrating a ridiculously impossible scenario instead of serious one (which can still have the problems you describe)." CreationDate="2013-04-26T19:15:12.963" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2508" PostId="1828" Score="1" Text="That's why it's a community wiki entry! Improvement is only a click away!" CreationDate="2013-04-26T22:39:34.997" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2976" PostId="1830" Score="0" Text="I think that the title &quot;polling for opinion&quot; is a bit misleading, as it implies that someone is intentionally searching for information that is opinion-based and not factual. The real issue in the examples given is that the information is only relevant for a short period of time. I'd like to suggest renaming it &quot;It was asking for quickly outdated information&quot;." CreationDate="2013-08-21T19:30:57.953" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="2977" PostId="1830" Score="0" Text="I suppose the other issue could be that it's asking for the word &quot;best&quot;, although I think that could still be backed up by factual information (e.g. Gallup polls). In that case, the issue could be that it was asking for a question that was unlikely to reach consensus, which may or not be because it's something that is quickly outdated." CreationDate="2013-08-21T19:43:40.173" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="2979" PostId="1830" Score="0" Text="@Thunderforge Opinion-based information should be backed up with references or reasoning. &quot;What is the best color tie to wear on the first day of work?&quot; is an issue because it is 100% opinion-based (even if there is a gallup poll to suggest that blue ties are regarded better). Polling for opinion is the issue itself -- not that the information will be outdated." CreationDate="2013-08-22T00:20:45.313" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2984" PostId="1830" Score="0" Text="I'm afraid I don't understand the distinction you are making. Are you saying that it is the motivation of the questioner that would make &quot;What is the best color tie to wear on the first day of work?&quot; a bad question? I don't think that questioner's motivation should be considered, just whether or not a good answer can be reached. If empirical research like Gallup polls could answer the question, then that would be a provable answer, assuming the answer is not going to change in the near future." CreationDate="2013-08-22T15:15:37.063" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="2492" PostId="1832" Score="8" Text="I don't think it's a problem. I sometimes do this if I don't want to write out a longer answer - its a problem if people chat back and forth constantly on comments." CreationDate="2013-04-26T13:58:43.250" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2493" PostId="1832" Score="0" Text="@enderland ill admit ive done it too. But ive been thinking recently, should we be. its adding lots of clutter and isnt really helping anyone as we end up with streams of answer comments that blot out the comments that are trying to add value or clarify point" CreationDate="2013-04-26T14:00:03.563" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2494" PostId="1832" Score="0" Text="Related: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/72/869" CreationDate="2013-04-26T14:36:53.940" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2495" PostId="1832" Score="0" Text="Also related: http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/54718/167443" CreationDate="2013-04-26T14:39:10.857" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2496" PostId="1832" Score="0" Text="@Jim thankyou, that first one is most definately supportive of how i view comments. It details how they *should* be used. Now im just interested in the communities opinion on what to do when they *are* misused" CreationDate="2013-04-26T14:41:18.567" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2511" PostId="1832" Score="1" Text="@enderland IMHO hits the nail on the head. Comments are also unique in that they can't be downvoted to smithereens (like this comment). Forcing people to only post answers significantly subtracts from the flexibility of StackExchange." CreationDate="2013-04-27T16:15:18.793" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="2497" PostId="1833" Score="0" Text="What of the situation where the posted comment is an attempted 'answer' but alone wouldnt make an answer any different to the comment?" CreationDate="2013-04-26T15:32:16.257" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2498" PostId="1833" Score="1" Text="That would fall under *didn't have time to write a whole answer* or *the system decided it was trivial and automatically converted it to a comment*. It would have to be beefed up to answer quality to be posted as an answer. Assuming that doesn't happen, part 3 still applies (deletion)." CreationDate="2013-04-26T15:35:10.993" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2512" PostId="1833" Score="1" Text="If one sees useful non-offensive comments deleted, one feels less inclined to contribute. I can only hope SE is still outside the Great Cyber Wall..." CreationDate="2013-04-27T16:19:31.747" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="2513" PostId="1833" Score="1" Text="@DeerHunter - We generally only intervene when the system alerts us to trouble.  When the number of comments goes beyond a certain threshold, the post is automatically flagged for moderator attention for a comment cleanup. One way to avoid perceived useful comments from getting flagged or deleted is to direct people to [chat] after 4 or 5 comments. One could even leave a link to the transcript itself in the comments, after the fact, if the conversation in chat is worth preserving. I use the shorthand link `[chat]` (bracket-chat-bracket) to quickly drop a chat link." CreationDate="2013-04-27T16:23:40.750" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2499" PostId="1834" Score="1" Text="Honestly, i would say worse than nothing. Comments aren't for answers. This isnt supposed to be a forum about sharing ideas, its Question, and Answer. If you don't have a full answer, don't answer, if your comment isn't meeting the terms for comments (value adding or clarity seeking) then it shouldn't be a comment. Or am i being too overzealous?" CreationDate="2013-04-26T15:39:55.523" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2502" PostId="1834" Score="0" Text="I agree completely with this answer." CreationDate="2013-04-26T17:39:48.990" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2504" PostId="1834" Score="0" Text="I'll add to SpikyBlue's comment here. Comments that are correct answers, without backing, sometimes make it difficult to then post the same answer, with backing." CreationDate="2013-04-26T19:58:30.887" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="2505" PostId="1834" Score="1" Text="@pdr they do?  When I see a comment like that and am inclined to answer along those lines, I just give a hat-tip to the commenter and proceed to a full answer.  If the commenter wanted to answer he could have, so it's not like I'm &quot;stealing&quot; it from him.  (Occasionally I'll see a comment promising more info later, e.g. when the commenter gets home that night, and in those cases I think people should wait.  But other than that, if comments help others provide answers, go for it!)" CreationDate="2013-04-26T20:02:11.970" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2506" PostId="1834" Score="1" Text="Particularly when a comment has a half-dozen upvotes, I guess it does feel a bit like stealing or cheating or something. I know it makes me think twice, even if I know I'm being irrational. More importantly, when I've been tempted to answer in a short comment, I tend to think &quot;Really? Do I think I'm the only person with something important to say?&quot; There are enough people around here that I trust to give the same answer I would that I leave it to them and upvote them later. Or, if no one does, I'll add my answer later." CreationDate="2013-04-26T20:49:59.103" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="2507" PostId="1834" Score="2" Text="As to questions that are liable to be closed, I don't think we should answer those at all, in comment or answer. I used to, but then I realised it only encourages people to come here (or rather programmers, at that time) with bad questions, just to get a response before they know it will be closed." CreationDate="2013-04-26T20:51:13.110" UserId="759" />
  <row Id="2510" PostId="1834" Score="0" Text="@pdr i agree, thats why i think we should discourage using comments for answers, were getting lots of low quality and ive noticed lots of people answer them, but in comments, and its encouraging low quality to continue" CreationDate="2013-04-27T11:37:16.547" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2509" PostId="1835" Score="0" Text="I agree with this. Comments aren't answers, this isnt a forum, comments have a specific purpose and their misuse encourages people to think that low quality is fine." CreationDate="2013-04-27T11:36:25.403" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2543" PostId="1836" Score="1" Text="The duplicate does NOT answer why this question was closed. Additionally, the &quot;what am I here's my life story about who I am and what I've done for work&quot; type question is considerably different than the much broader and more generally applicable question I have linked to here." CreationDate="2013-05-01T15:52:52.757" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2545" PostId="1836" Score="0" Text="Consider that in this case, @Chad and I are arguing for this question to remain open, while we were the only two who even commented on the 'duplicate' - indicating the question should be *closed*." CreationDate="2013-05-01T16:02:46.447" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2546" PostId="1836" Score="1" Text="This is a different question.  What is my title is different from please explain to me this focused part of corporate hierachy, or how can i be a Senior director." CreationDate="2013-05-01T17:08:11.687" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2547" PostId="1836" Score="0" Text="I reopened this because it seems that the possible duplicate was about a specific job title, whereas this senior director vs director question is more about how to interpret the names of various positions. If the discussion crosses over into specific jobs, please refer to [this other post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/416/is-there-a-title-for-that)." CreationDate="2013-05-01T20:03:07.937" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2549" PostId="1836" Score="0" Text="I voted to close as too localized--these definitions aren't going to be identical (and probably not even consistent) from company to company. An answer that would be useful to the OP would be for a specific company." CreationDate="2013-05-02T02:43:35.737" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="2554" PostId="1836" Score="1" Text="@AmyBlankeship - Localised means it would never likely apply to anyone else and since there are thousands of corporations and organizations many of which have senior directors, too localized would not really fit here IMO" CreationDate="2013-05-02T17:03:57.290" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2564" PostId="1836" Score="0" Text="@Chad - Yes, thousands of orgainzations have senior directors, but I wouldn't expect much of a consensus on what the definition/job description would be." CreationDate="2013-05-07T19:31:48.543" UserDisplayName="user8365" />
  <row Id="2566" PostId="1836" Score="0" Text="@JeffO - There is a general expectation that is going to be common across most industries as to what level of responsibility that position has.  While the specific duties vary the basics are generally the same.  If the question was what does My Senior Director do that would be too local.  What does a director of X typically do is answerable." CreationDate="2013-05-07T19:43:06.153" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2514" PostId="1837" Score="0" Text="Sounds good, I might have just allowed all questions about &quot;senior&quot; to have a close-able duplicate by making a generalizable [answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/11388/what-does-senior-director-mean).." CreationDate="2013-04-27T16:56:53.140" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2518" PostId="1837" Score="0" Text="While it's great to have good answers, @enderland, keep in mind that an answer doesn't make a post a duplicate.  However, having a good, strong answer makes it easier to &quot;put the ball in the asker's court&quot;." CreationDate="2013-04-27T17:37:16.917" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2521" PostId="1837" Score="1" Text="Oh I know, but I can just copy or adapt my answer as necessary. Lots of questions here have some overlap.." CreationDate="2013-04-27T23:59:54.807" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2565" PostId="1839" Score="0" Text="Agreed, I didn't know it was a problem and think encouraging converting a comment to an answer should be enough." CreationDate="2013-05-07T19:39:51.443" UserDisplayName="user8365" />
  <row Id="2516" PostId="1840" Score="0" Text="thanks for the response" CreationDate="2013-04-27T17:23:50.710" UserId="7582" />
  <row Id="2517" PostId="1840" Score="0" Text="@decentguy - Here's some more background on [the Beta site SE 2.0 program](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/07/area-51-first-public-beta/).  Or, [this is probably a better article](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/10/when-will-my-site-graduate/)." CreationDate="2013-04-27T17:27:39.370" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2524" PostId="1840" Score="0" Text="I'll point out that we're about as official as a &quot;beta&quot; SE site can be, considering how we've been in beta for 383-ish days, haha." CreationDate="2013-04-29T13:55:14.387" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2525" PostId="1840" Score="1" Text="There is also the SE Careers links that show up sometimes" CreationDate="2013-04-29T18:40:15.950" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2533" PostId="1840" Score="1" Text="Careers earns them a lot, probably the majority, of their money as well" CreationDate="2013-04-30T21:39:51.877" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2528" PostId="1841" Score="1" Text="I disagree the question is too localized. This question is more broadly applicable than almost all other questions we get on this site." CreationDate="2013-04-30T10:56:56.730" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2548" PostId="1841" Score="1" Text="It's important to be careful about how questions are worded. *&quot;In my company, we have a senior director and a director. What's the difference?&quot;* Compare this localized question to one that is actually a broad, widely applicable question: *&quot;In many job ads I read, I see senior director and director as job titles. How can I tell the difference?&quot;*.  I admit it's easy for certain keywords to cloud or mask the fact that a question is constructive -- or that bold edits can completely change how the question fits the SE model." CreationDate="2013-05-02T01:50:13.427" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2550" PostId="1841" Score="1" Text="I don't think that people here will have any more insight into what the difference is between a senior director and a director in a job ad vs. a particlar company, unless they happen to be familiar with the company that posted the ad." CreationDate="2013-05-02T02:45:45.500" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="2534" PostId="1842" Score="2" Text="&quot;where will they turn for reliable answers?&quot; the whole of the Internet comes to mind?" CreationDate="2013-04-30T21:40:43.560" UserId="2071" />
  <row Id="2536" PostId="1842" Score="1" Text="I am _amazed_ this is not the accepted answer. What is this SE site for if not for questions like these?" CreationDate="2013-05-01T00:37:21.387" UserId="8924" />
  <row Id="2537" PostId="1842" Score="0" Text="What, you really find &quot;the whole Internet&quot; to be reliable, @jeff-atwood? Is that why y'all founded StackExchange, because everyone else out there was already doing such a great job of giving good advice and recommendations? No, this is a place where people have learned to trust the opinions of their peers. Folks give meaning, weight and authority to up-votes. Where your job in concerned, why would you seek answers somewhere you don't know you can trust?" CreationDate="2013-05-01T00:37:32.570" UserId="8523" />
  <row Id="2538" PostId="1842" Score="4" Text="Hi VM, I think the point Jeff was trying to make is that places for advice and discussion already exist elsewhere on the Internet, and advice and discussion isn't what Stack Exchange is about. Instead, Q&amp;A is why SE is so successful. However, I think your point -- from reading your final paragraph -- is we should try to help people as much as we can. *I agree!* If we can comment on or edit questions to make them fit the model, then great! But if they don't fit, if there's no question to be answered, then they should be closed pending further edits. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2013-05-01T03:54:25.663" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2540" PostId="1842" Score="1" Text="Hi, @jmort253. Thanks for the insights. Still, I think the problem lays with us rather than on the questioners. The issue here may stem from the nebulous definition of Q&amp;A from the POV of the questioners. Where is the line between advice and question? It's not apparent in the FAQ that there's a distinction being drawn there. These people are looking for help. From their point of view they have a Question, Practical and Answerable. What they hope to receive in response is an Answer which carries Actionable Advice." CreationDate="2013-05-01T05:09:49.697" UserId="8523" />
  <row Id="2542" PostId="1842" Score="3" Text="@VMBrasseur - You've asked an important question. The answer, unfortunately, is that there really isn't a line. It's quite blurry. The best we can do is to boldly edit posts to help make them as constructive as possible. Many times, the tone of the post can make a difference. This is why I emphasize editing as a first step towards helping." CreationDate="2013-05-01T06:38:34.680" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2555" PostId="1843" Score="0" Text="http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1831/5305 &#xA;&#xA;This might be useful (aswell as the other answers)" CreationDate="2013-05-03T09:47:05.763" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2556" PostId="1845" Score="1" Text="Hi Spiky, do you have any thoughts on how BVR might be able to better format the question so that it does fit?" CreationDate="2013-05-03T16:26:04.280" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2558" PostId="1846" Score="2" Text="Can you include a copy/paste of your answer here in block quotes as well in case the linked question ever goes away? You're setting a bad example by providing a link-only answer :)" CreationDate="2013-05-03T20:01:10.170" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2559" PostId="1846" Score="0" Text="Maybe not an exact copy, but maybe a few important points you'd like to highlight." CreationDate="2013-05-04T01:19:47.453" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2560" PostId="1846" Score="3" Text="I guess it is possible the academia stack exchange disappears... you guys are so difficult ;)" CreationDate="2013-05-04T01:42:37.487" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2578" PostId="1850" Score="3" Text="Fantastic! This may sound condescending but its brilliant to see new (to here at least) users working to improve their posts." CreationDate="2013-05-16T17:02:43.173" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2586" PostId="1850" Score="0" Text="@RhysW no-one is too experienced not to learn :) I can see the issue here is that my grasp on the topic itself is fuzzy - this also helps me understand other users on SEs I'm more familiar with, who might be in a similar position" CreationDate="2013-05-17T08:39:03.753" UserId="9130" />
  <row Id="2598" PostId="1850" Score="0" Text="@d3vid you'd be surprised how few people take the effort to do this sort of thing." CreationDate="2013-05-17T17:32:43.547" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2579" PostId="1851" Score="3" Text="I agree that the question needs to be more focused.  But I think that the question needs the long answer blurb, and moderator vigilance to prevent this from becoming a list question.  I would even go so far as to suggest that a strongly worded warning from a mod against posting me too answers would be appropriate." CreationDate="2013-05-16T17:59:31.470" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2587" PostId="1851" Score="0" Text="great feedback for these questions and in general, I've already got some helpful answers thanks to your edit, I'll make more changes as soon as I can" CreationDate="2013-05-17T08:43:44.927" UserId="9130" />
  <row Id="2646" PostId="1851" Score="1" Text="others have made a few edits since yours and I've got some great answers since then - I think removing the pleas/alternatives was the essential bit, but this answer has tons of other great advice too, thanks!" CreationDate="2013-05-24T11:15:23.090" UserId="9130" />
  <row Id="2582" PostId="1852" Score="4" Text="Sometimes I find that someone points out an interesting answer and makes me want to read it more by highlighting an important point mentioned in the answer. Some commenters also add an additional point or paraphrase the points to help clarify what the original author was saying.  So I'm curious, do you see a separation between commenting to add additional points vs just simply copy and pasting a portion of the answer after a +1?  Do you see any comments not specifically suggesting improvements or seeking clarification to be noise?" CreationDate="2013-05-17T02:37:50.503" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2583" PostId="1852" Score="3" Text="I guess to summarize what I'm interpreting from this:  If the comment adds to the answer, keep it. If it just echoes or adds agreement, get rid of it. I've personally experienced some comments that reiterated a point from an answer that I originally disagreed with, but after seeing it written differently, helped me see the post author's point. I'd hate to see us lose that aspect of our site." CreationDate="2013-05-17T02:59:42.377" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2584" PostId="1852" Score="2" Text="@jmort253: Great points. I really don't know how this militant stance on comments helps us." CreationDate="2013-05-17T08:15:57.203" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2585" PostId="1852" Score="2" Text="@JimG. its not a militant stance, its standards to maintain the high quality and usefulness of the site in a way that provides the closest ratio of words / useful words which solve the problem or add clarification. Comments just saying &quot;+1 good answer&quot; add nothing to the site, as pointed out by NickC But as Jmort points out comments which say &quot;+1, 'Quoted Text', really highlights points X, Y and Z&quot; are ok comments to have" CreationDate="2013-05-17T08:32:16.527" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2588" PostId="1852" Score="0" Text="@RhysW: I agree with this; but I thought that jmort253 was already upholding this level of quality. [Except for enderland's comment above.]" CreationDate="2013-05-17T10:44:40.233" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2589" PostId="1852" Score="1" Text="@JimG. Jmort shouldnt *have* to do it, mods are there for exceptional circumstances, hence why we, as a community, are deciding what is and isnt allowed" CreationDate="2013-05-17T11:23:58.063" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2590" PostId="1852" Score="0" Text="@RhysW: Right, but it looks like NickC is asking for even greater discipline." CreationDate="2013-05-17T12:38:55.997" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2592" PostId="1852" Score="2" Text="@jmort253 I didn't think my post here implied that only suggestions or seeking clarity were allowed. And yes (@JimG) I am asking for greater discipline. **Comments with just agreement or quotes are mostly noise**. But I think it's great when a commenter simplifies and summarizes an important point, or adds useful perspective in agreement with a particular point." CreationDate="2013-05-17T17:05:12.943" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2601" PostId="1852" Score="3" Text="@JimG. - I wasn't really implying that anyone was taking a militant stance, and I apologize if I was unclear. My goal isn't to call Nick or anyone else out. Instead, my goal is to clarify this stance so that *other users* don't take a militant stance on what comments they flag. No one wants to end up with a series of summarily dismissed flags on comments we don't consider harmful.  In short, I don't think Nick was implying we should wipe them all out -- I just want to help clarify so no one gets surprised. Let's try to keep this constructive if we can. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-05-17T23:13:50.860" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2602" PostId="1852" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: I totally agree. And if it helps, the comments attached to this answer helped me understand NickC's point of view as well. Emphasis: I don't want anyone to take a militant stance on comments." CreationDate="2013-05-17T23:33:28.110" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2603" PostId="1852" Score="1" Text="@RhysW - This is why I'm glad we're having this discussion as it's helping us all get on the same page. I sort of agree that +1 [quoted text] could be noise. I wouldn't outright delete them. But I would if they were flagged. But if someone clarified something and helped make the answer stronger or less likely to be misinterpreted, I would find it personally tough to remove those. Does this help?" CreationDate="2013-05-18T00:43:58.977" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2591" PostId="1853" Score="0" Text="Do you mean &quot;office ergonomics&quot; or &quot;workplace ergonomics?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-05-17T17:04:24.783" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2593" PostId="1853" Score="0" Text="@enderland - Ergonomics in general is a workplace issue, though it can be applied outside the workplace as well." CreationDate="2013-05-17T17:05:39.883" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2594" PostId="1853" Score="1" Text="The reason I make that distinction is there are a lot of workplace related ergonomics questions related to jobs other than office jobs, such as manufacturing, welding, etc. This site is nearly entirely &quot;office workplace&quot; which is why this is an important distinction imo." CreationDate="2013-05-17T17:16:32.943" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2596" PostId="1853" Score="0" Text="Ok I modified the question I had not intended to exclude non office workplaces" CreationDate="2013-05-17T17:26:26.130" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2597" PostId="1853" Score="1" Text="I guess I'm coming more from the perspective of someone having worked closely with an ergonomics engineer for a while, the questions we get here are a very small subset of what constitutes ergonomics. I'm indifferent myself, but we HAVE mostly received questions for people who work in an office environment." CreationDate="2013-05-17T17:30:12.707" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2604" PostId="1856" Score="1" Text="Hah! I wanted to post something nearly *exactly* like this after a few of the questions." CreationDate="2013-05-20T14:19:15.323" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11881" PostId="1856" Score="0" Text="I am very happy to have found this well worded question. :-)" CreationDate="2017-03-03T13:47:35.877" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="2608" PostId="1857" Score="0" Text="You don't agree that mentioning &quot;rights&quot; implies a legal question best handled by a lawyer?" CreationDate="2013-05-20T18:09:24.783" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2609" PostId="1857" Score="2" Text="that is correct that I do not agree with that statement" CreationDate="2013-05-20T18:10:31.047" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2610" PostId="1857" Score="0" Text="(shrug) I'm at a loss here. Perhaps nothing requires a lawyer." CreationDate="2013-05-20T18:15:51.933" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2635" PostId="1857" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere if only that were the case... :)" CreationDate="2013-05-22T18:07:23.167" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6907" PostId="1857" Score="0" Text="So you would vote to close any question where the OP asks if it's legal to discriminate, for example, against ethnic origin? This is what I've read from you question. Correct me if you're rong." CreationDate="2015-02-19T15:13:59.093" UserDisplayName="user1023" />
  <row Id="6910" PostId="1857" Score="0" Text="Yes - far too much confusion arises from such questions. IMHO, that's a question for a Legal forum, not Workplace. But I don't run things here. I just try to understand and follow the rules." CreationDate="2015-02-19T17:31:51.077" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2631" PostId="1860" Score="0" Text="@Joe [CC](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1860/if-a-questioner-happens-to-mention-they-are-from-india-does-that-mean-the-quest#comment2630_1862)" CreationDate="2013-05-22T00:43:07.080" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2634" PostId="1860" Score="1" Text="@JeffO (and CC others) meta up/downvotes mean more agree or disagree rather than directly representing the quality of the question/answer." CreationDate="2013-05-22T18:07:00.943" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2637" PostId="1860" Score="0" Text="@enderland - In that case, I don't think I understand the disagreement. How do you agree or disagree with a question (as opposed to a statement)? &quot;Am I missing something here?&quot; = disagree? &quot;Just because the writer mentions that she is from India, must all answers be framed with in-depth knowledge of India?&quot; = disagree? &quot;Or is a more useful answer one that helps folks worldwide?&quot; = disagree?" CreationDate="2013-05-22T19:26:10.337" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2639" PostId="1860" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'm not sure, I've not voted on it myself :) In this case I imagine people are voting based on whether they agree with, &quot;should this question NOT require an answer culturally relevant to India?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-05-22T19:35:57.893" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2640" PostId="1860" Score="0" Text="Thanks @enderland. I'm still confused. It's like if I asked my granddaughter if she wanted a red popsicle or a green popsicle, and she said &quot;I disagree&quot;. It would be good for a laugh, but not a very useful response otherwise. I guess it will remain a (meta) mystery." CreationDate="2013-05-22T19:41:56.253" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2647" PostId="1860" Score="3" Text="Joe, I think what @enderland might be getting at is that it's quite obvious which opinion you hold, and voters may be disagreeing with that.  It's definitely *not* the same thing as asking &quot;red or green&quot;, since you came here to defend your position on a question you answered.  I don't think the subtext is lost on voters." CreationDate="2013-05-26T06:07:07.320" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2650" PostId="1860" Score="0" Text="So rather than a vote on the question being asked here on Meta, you think people are voting on the Main site question? I see." CreationDate="2013-05-26T12:05:27.863" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2642" PostId="1861" Score="1" Text="As per my answer below, I'd change the &quot;is it legal to discriminate against smokers&quot; question to be, &quot;how can I legally discourage smoking?&quot; which is more or less the same thing, but not a yes-or-no question that will provide more guidance." CreationDate="2013-05-22T23:36:43.203" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2664" PostId="1861" Score="3" Text="The spectrum of backgrounds among the participants here is far broader than HR.  Lest we forget that.  I don't think that if the question lacks an HR flavor, like the second set of questions you listed, are as off topic as you thus far presumed.  Sure, they might be outside of your comfort range, and even outside of mine in some respects, but I don't think that it necessarily precludes everyone else willing to look at them.  And some did, with reasonable attempts, before they were shut down..." CreationDate="2013-06-01T11:17:31.433" UserId="612" />
  <row Id="2860" PostId="1861" Score="0" Text="I suspect that should be &quot;you need to read your **contract**&quot;, not *contact*." CreationDate="2013-07-11T17:09:00.523" UserId="294" />
  <row Id="6908" PostId="1861" Score="0" Text="@jmac asking is it legal to discriminate against [smoking status/ethnic origin/sexual orientation] is the question that can be given a canonical answer referring the laws, its interpretations, and even the sentences against companies. But asking 'how can I legally discriminate [smokers/homosexuals/Asians]' is exactly asking for the instructions how to circumvent or creatively adapt the law to one's (doubtful) needs. It's a legal advice for me (leave away, an immoral one)." CreationDate="2015-02-19T15:18:16.080" UserDisplayName="user1023" />
  <row Id="2626" PostId="1862" Score="3" Text="Chad, Joe: [get a room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/)" CreationDate="2013-05-21T16:42:01.610" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2630" PostId="1862" Score="2" Text="@Chad, Joe, I have read and cleaned up the comments.  I can see that this is something you both feel passionately about.  However, let's not devolve into bickering in comments.  As Yannis has suggested [chat] is an appropriate forum for working this out, one which I hope you will utilize." CreationDate="2013-05-22T00:42:04.107" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2691" PostId="1862" Score="0" Text="excellent perspective, suggestion and addressing of an edge-case." CreationDate="2013-06-10T15:02:29.200" UserDisplayName="user8365" />
  <row Id="2632" PostId="1863" Score="0" Text="This is a great summary of my thoughts.  Combined with @Rachel's answer this is exactly how I think legal types of questions should be handled." CreationDate="2013-05-22T11:25:56.257" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6906" PostId="1863" Score="1" Text="I'd add to that, that legal advice is primarily an 'advice', so something adapted to the given, localized situation of the given person. Asking for general rules, without referring to the specific situation, is the question about law, not legal advice." CreationDate="2015-02-19T15:12:18.700" UserDisplayName="user1023" />
  <row Id="2644" PostId="1864" Score="1" Text="I do not mean for this to be an attack or sound rude, but I do not find your comment useful.  &quot;I have never gotten a raise so you should not bother to get one&quot; is a [Hasty Generalization](http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/hasty-generalization.html)  If the OP wants to try telling them not to bother is not useful or helpful." CreationDate="2013-05-23T13:02:55.933" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13940" PostId="1866" Score="0" Text="It really should. Such &quot;comments&quot; have become an absolute plague on SO. Nice to see that at least Workplace.SE is still taking the Q&amp;A model seriously. If anyone would understand data types and data integrity I'd have thought it'd be software developers, but guess not." CreationDate="2017-10-20T10:45:24.140" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="2654" PostId="1868" Score="3" Text="What about sharing links to interesting and relevant Workplace questions on your own Facebook feed?  My guess is you probably have more followers, followers who trust your opinion, better than a page.  From my experience, creating an online community to try to direct traffic to another online community -- Facebook to Stack Exchange -- doesn't always work as expected. There's a user on PMSE who tried this with a Linked-In group, and people were just asking questions in the group instead of visiting PMSE :)  Don't let me discourage you though if you do this. Every community/topic is different." CreationDate="2013-05-29T14:03:09.303" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2655" PostId="1868" Score="4" Text="just the question you'll need to answer is how do you get people to post *here*, on The Workplace Stack Exchange, and not on the Facebook page. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-05-29T14:04:42.963" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2657" PostId="1868" Score="0" Text="Does Stack Exchange have any sort of policy on this sort of thing?" CreationDate="2013-05-30T11:53:35.310" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2661" PostId="1868" Score="0" Text="@enderland The only relevant policy (I know of) is for the use of the site's name, logo and design elements. The short version: don't use them and talk with SE to find suitable alternatives (see: http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/3966). However, no idea how that policy applies for beta sites." CreationDate="2013-05-30T22:54:25.627" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2662" PostId="1868" Score="0" Text="@enderland, here's an example of what I consider to be a major failure :D  https://www.facebook.com/pages/Project-Management-QA/199284413419958?ref=hl  I'm no social media expert, so don't take my lack of success as an assertion that we can't succeed on social networks. The problem is that none of my Facebook friends see the page, but they *do* see direct questions I share with them on my own personal wall." CreationDate="2013-06-01T03:45:51.820" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2663" PostId="1868" Score="1" Text="Another strategy that works really well is to look for existing conversations in the comments on your Facebook feed. If people are talking about a topic that relates to the Workplace, you could use that as an opportunity to jump in and participate and share a link to a relevant post. :)" CreationDate="2013-06-01T03:46:50.637" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2679" PostId="1868" Score="1" Text="i'm going to point out that if the purpose of the two 'answers' here is to determine peoples' interest in a community facebook page, there shouldn't be any downvoting.  Just because you feel one way or the other doesn't mean that you should remove the vote of someone else." CreationDate="2013-06-05T18:30:47.550" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2681" PostId="1868" Score="0" Text="@acolyte But... but... but... when will I ever get the chance to downvote Jim on Meta???" CreationDate="2013-06-06T09:09:59.533" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2682" PostId="1868" Score="0" Text="I've only been counting the positive votes anyway, but the consensus is still a resounding no from the 14 members that participated..." CreationDate="2013-06-06T09:20:13.390" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2656" PostId="1869" Score="3" Text="While this at its heart is a yes-or-no question, I think it'd be useful if you explained some of the reasoning behind your no. Alternately/additionally, I'd recommend making this CW so it's easier for others to edit in their reasons for a &quot;No&quot; answer." CreationDate="2013-05-30T03:17:57.650" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2659" PostId="1869" Score="1" Text="Your wish is granted." CreationDate="2013-05-30T13:00:03.827" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2675" PostId="1869" Score="0" Text="If you want to stay anonymous, you're not going to post on FB. Is finding a monitor that difficult?" CreationDate="2013-06-03T16:24:50.133" UserDisplayName="user8365" />
  <row Id="2676" PostId="1869" Score="2" Text="@JeffO - Our moderators are not on duty 24/7 and neither will any facebook group mods most likely" CreationDate="2013-06-03T16:49:03.703" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2680" PostId="1869" Score="2" Text="Facebook is already far too ingrained to our society.  There is something to be said for a proffessional site that deliberately keeps itself away from Facebook.  Might we lose some potential users?  Yes.  But there's a certain image I feel we should be trying to foster, and I don't think that being on Facebook would be beneficial towards that end.  Instead, perhaps some of the more major business blogs and/or news sites should be contacted, as they are far more likely to bring in the expert questions and answers we'd be looking for." CreationDate="2013-06-05T18:33:30.043" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2692" PostId="1869" Score="0" Text="With Anonymity would this be solved by people messaging the page directly and then the page Admin posting it on their behalf?" CreationDate="2013-06-10T16:00:13.207" UserId="9133" />
  <row Id="2658" PostId="1870" Score="1" Text="I added the discussion part because I think it is actually the feature I think would best serve this SE.  The community seems to cry out for somewhere other than chat to have discussion, this could be the solution.\" CreationDate="2013-05-30T12:58:59.090" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2660" PostId="1870" Score="1" Text="If the goal is to drive traffic here, then external sites that point here (like a Facebook page) are all good - if and only if you don't permit the asking and answering of questions there." CreationDate="2013-05-30T18:50:52.327" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2665" PostId="1871" Score="3" Text="The Workplace is an extremely subjective topic. I try to stay away from the word &quot;advice&quot; whenever possible because it may lead us to believe that anyone can answer a question. Ideally, the answers we give should be *expert* answers, correct and backed up with some form of facts, references, or experiences that happened to us personally. If we can do that on a question, then I believe the question is worth keeping open, even if some edits must be made to push it further away from the edge." CreationDate="2013-06-02T04:21:36.197" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2666" PostId="1871" Score="0" Text="Also, this lessens the impact that bad information will be given. It's still possible, but at least future visitors who come to our site can validate the answers much easier and determine if that information is good for them." CreationDate="2013-06-02T04:24:00.600" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2667" PostId="1871" Score="0" Text="The quality of the answers will coincide with quality of the question, normally.  If we want better answers, we have to work harder for better questions.  Better questions can come to us in three ways: selection, by filtering out questions that don't meet our interruption or feel for the quality we want; shaping or sanding rough questions into polished questions; or solicitation and finding experts with questions of their own.  Relying on selection is going to shrink the reach of the community.  It will, no matter what statistics might be conceived to suggest otherwise." CreationDate="2013-06-02T04:45:09.427" UserId="612" />
  <row Id="2668" PostId="1871" Score="0" Text="Selection promotes a closed community.  You need to be this tall to play.  Shaping or sanding questions will take more work from the community.  A lot more work.  Perhaps more effort needs to happen to make that a more measured/incentivized goal of the community.  Solicitation is not much more than a hope and a prayer.  Rock stars have a way of finding out what they immediately want without the need a vast community, normally." CreationDate="2013-06-02T04:47:41.203" UserId="612" />
  <row Id="2669" PostId="1871" Score="0" Text="I sort of see this like a seesaw. Many questions that we perceive to have problems, like legal questions, can be perfectly fine on SE if the answerers bear the brunt of the responsibility of making sure the information they post is solid. Since questions are harder to ask, and are asked by newer users, and since answerers tend to come from our community and know the rules, I propose lightening up on legal questions but making sure the answers follow the back it up rule." CreationDate="2013-06-02T05:02:19.393" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2670" PostId="1871" Score="1" Text="One thing that might really help is if we change how questions are characterized.  Instead of thinking of them as 'owned questions' we think of them more as 'sponsored topics' where a great deal more discretion and responsibility is inherently given to the community to shape questions." CreationDate="2013-06-02T05:06:06.607" UserId="612" />
  <row Id="2671" PostId="1871" Score="2" Text="I really support the idea of making [bold edits](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1820/98) if that's what it takes to save a question. The asker can always come back and tweak it further once an experienced editor gets the ball rolling. :)  In short, &quot;community owned&quot; is a good way to look at it." CreationDate="2013-06-02T05:08:52.363" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2672" PostId="1871" Score="1" Text="And of course, add subsequent information to the question as necessary through comment requests, or by desire when the question is edited towards a direction contrary to what they really want." CreationDate="2013-06-02T05:10:26.723" UserId="612" />
  <row Id="2673" PostId="1871" Score="0" Text="I like that approach, @JustinC, many times the solution is to just find the right balance of constructiveness to minimize the number of close votes while also keeping the topic reasonably close to what the asker is looking for." CreationDate="2013-06-02T05:13:06.583" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2674" PostId="1871" Score="0" Text="I can certainly appreciate that.  It is comparatively easy to 'close' a topic rather than improve the question.  And what is the comparative incentive for all that trouble?  Not a lot I would guess, as I tend to avoid either route in all but the rarest of circumstances." CreationDate="2013-06-02T05:24:21.590" UserId="612" />
  <row Id="2684" PostId="1872" Score="0" Text="Don't take it personal. Someone is downvoting each and every one of my posts. I've alerted StackExchange, and if it continues to happen, that member will be suspended without pay. If he/she is doing the same for you, then he/she might be suspended sooner." CreationDate="2013-06-07T01:07:39.507" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2685" PostId="1872" Score="3" Text="On the more subjective sites of the network, downvotes are a bit more common. If your answer has a bit of opinion in it, it's not unthinkable that someone just disagrees with it. It's not really something to lose sleep over, your answer has a net positive score, and no obvious flaws. Who cares about a couple of downvotes?" CreationDate="2013-06-07T12:24:13.253" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2687" PostId="1873" Score="4" Text="New help center is crap!  The previous FAQ was set up in a nice, easy to read and understand sequential order.  there were resources in certain questions that would be of immediate use to newcommers, and overall it presented a better sense of the members of this site knowing what we're doing." CreationDate="2013-06-07T17:16:33.873" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2688" PostId="1873" Score="1" Text="@acolyte - The answer is to point new users to the [about] page. You can put `[about]` directly in comments using that markup to quickly insert the link. I see the help center as something they'd go to after reading the about page and spending some time on the site. I agree it does look a little overwhelming, but when we leave comments we should pick the part that's most helpful for that user's circumstances. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-06-08T04:36:08.327" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2689" PostId="1873" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 that's just it, i don't think any of it is all that useful.  They've combined the tour function which already existed, with the FAQ.  The FAQ in its previous iteration was far more effective and easy to read, it was nicely organized with a fast to navigate list of topics.  One half of the screen was information, one half was topics.  I'm picking the most helpful parts about the new page, nothing.  I don't think there are any benefits to this change." CreationDate="2013-06-10T13:16:34.800" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2686" PostId="1875" Score="2" Text="*Insert picture of me looking like the home alone kid here*" CreationDate="2013-06-07T16:40:55.130" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2690" PostId="1876" Score="0" Text="+1 - I think we lose site of what is a quality answer and should give feedback by voting one way or another." CreationDate="2013-06-10T14:58:36.340" UserDisplayName="user8365" />
  <row Id="2694" PostId="1876" Score="1" Text="@JeffO - I cannot disagree with you on the part about giving feedback, but voting isn't really *good* feedback. Voting doesn't give the author constructive, friendly tips on how to improve the post. This is why we advocate leaving out comments like &quot;**-1** blah blah&quot; because it takes focus off the feedback by starting it on a negative note instead of a helpful one. Oftentimes, a person just needs some encouragement and guidance. They'll see the -1 in their rep history. They don't need to know that you're the person who figuratively stabbed them in the eye, so to speak. :) Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-06-11T03:18:14.317" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2695" PostId="1876" Score="0" Text="In short, we need to help people separate voting, which is on *content*, from feedback, which is targeted at *people*." CreationDate="2013-06-11T03:22:22.217" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2693" PostId="1878" Score="1" Text="I know what you mean.  That said, I believe q's that get closed pick up the reason given with the last close vote, so if that person clicks wrong or just has a different idea of &quot;too localized&quot;, they win.  FWIW, (even though there were legal aspects also) my q didn't get closed (yet!): http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/8882/2317" CreationDate="2013-06-10T22:37:20.547" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="2732" PostId="1878" Score="1" Text="This is one of the reasons Stack Exchange eliminated the too localized close reason. In order to ask questions about real, actual problems, sometimes details and specifics are important to getting at the heart of the underlying problem so that a viable solution can be found. I'm hoping the elimination of this close reason will net positive results for our site! :)  As an aside, @GreenMatt, the close reason chosen is actually based on what the majority chooses, or whatever a moderator chooses." CreationDate="2013-06-14T05:18:47.130" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2733" PostId="1878" Score="1" Text="@jmort253: I didn't know that, but it makes complete sense. Way to go StackExchange!" CreationDate="2013-06-14T10:53:52.710" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2696" PostId="1880" Score="3" Text="Any particular reason why?" CreationDate="2013-06-11T14:58:20.910" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2699" PostId="1880" Score="2" Text="@RhysW - too many soft questions that cannot have objectively measured counterparts elsewhere." CreationDate="2013-06-11T18:48:45.307" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="2700" PostId="1880" Score="5" Text="This would be a good opportunity to select some examples from the self-evaluation and discuss them. Perhaps there's something we can learn about a particular example so that we can improve." CreationDate="2013-06-12T02:23:10.217" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2702" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="I believe you can see the list of questions in http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/site-eval/history" CreationDate="2013-06-12T13:22:17.693" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2703" PostId="1880" Score="2" Text="@jcmeloni - the problem is I pushed &quot;Skip&quot; diligently and then posted this answer here, frustrated by the softness of the questions :)" CreationDate="2013-06-12T15:03:35.947" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="2704" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="So you're saying that link doesn't work for you because you don't have a history and therefore can't see everyone else's? Since I can see other people's review votes, I figured everyone could (I'm not special). Sorry!" CreationDate="2013-06-12T15:41:14.300" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2705" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni - no need to apologize, in a kind of oblique way I visited your activity page and snatched the question links." CreationDate="2013-06-12T15:44:11.850" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="2706" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="Super, so it basically &quot;worked&quot;. :)" CreationDate="2013-06-12T15:45:00.770" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2707" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni - yeah, but what I dug out is not exactly funny :(" CreationDate="2013-06-12T16:21:44.293" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="2708" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - fixed that, added statistics." CreationDate="2013-06-12T17:02:39.963" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="2709" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="@RhysW - another problem popped up - the reviews have been automatic, hence no usable information on Workplace SE quality can be extracted." CreationDate="2013-06-12T17:27:59.587" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="2710" PostId="1880" Score="1" Text="I can't speak for everyone, but I know that my votes were _not_ automatic, even while very fast.  I read and process information extremely quickly (like, &quot;was a test subject for many years&quot; quickly), and I'm also quite familiar with every question and answer that comes through because I read them &amp; vote on many (former mod who hasn't broken the habit).  So for me, it was &quot;cursory look to jog my memory&quot; rather than &quot;automatic&quot;.  I will bet that many people who were first to review were _also_ already very familiar with the Q&amp;A.  Just a possible asterisk for the findings, is all I mean to offer." CreationDate="2013-06-12T18:38:24.807" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2711" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="If the review was the first time reviewers saw the questions, that would be fast.  I'm guessing (haven't looked) that there is high overlap between reviewers and avid users.  I was already familiar, sometimes very familiar, with most of the questions before they popped up in the review." CreationDate="2013-06-12T20:22:36.530" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2713" PostId="1880" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio - the survey found no great difference between the users. I was under the impression that one had to look at other sites, do a search or two. (¿all of that can be done in 3 seconds, right?) I have also found some repeating patterns in votes (four out of nine reviewers, AFAIR)." CreationDate="2013-06-12T20:29:52.900" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="2715" PostId="1880" Score="3" Text="One possibility you're forgetting; many active users of the site may already recognize the question and it's answers. If I immediately get an &quot;Oh, right, THIS question&quot; reaction it might require very little, if any, looking to determine whether the Q/As were good bad or indifferent." CreationDate="2013-06-13T13:20:17.713" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2726" PostId="1880" Score="1" Text="@Rarity - again, aren't we supposed to compare Workplace SE with other places on the Web? I seriously doubt it is possible within the timespan of 3 or even 30 seconds." CreationDate="2013-06-13T14:33:51.460" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="2729" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="Mostly what rarity said, familiarity with the questions, not to mention most of those 9 users are the big contributors anyway and have that familiarity and previous knowledge of the questions already" CreationDate="2013-06-13T21:11:59.817" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2734" PostId="1880" Score="1" Text="Hmmm, maybe I'll stop contributing and reading questions here so my reviews in the future are based off a fresh perspective and not &quot;oh, this question&quot; reactions instead." CreationDate="2013-06-14T18:27:42.313" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2757" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="And yet your stats don't seem to include me (and likely others), who reviewed one question, spent ample time on it, and then struggled with finding time to do the rest." CreationDate="2013-06-17T02:17:14.337" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2758" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="jmac - you ain't in this list, my only source: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/site-eval/stats" CreationDate="2013-06-17T02:27:43.573" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="2766" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="@DeerHunter that means that many people who reviewed fewer questions were left out (and fewer questions means a larger possibility of spending more time per question). Not saying that this invalidates your opinion, just that we shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater on specific cherry-picked stats." CreationDate="2013-06-18T02:16:37.710" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2770" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="@DeerHunter - Some of us are well aware of the questions prior to the survey.  Many times we do not need to do research then because it was done when the question was live.  If the question or the answers all suck it does matter really if there is not anything better out there.  I prefer a void to stinky crap." CreationDate="2013-06-20T15:14:41.007" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2792" PostId="1880" Score="0" Text="all i see here are excuses for not following the policy of how the reviews are supposed to be done.  &quot;I know the question&quot; is not a good excuse.  @DeerHunter, i agree with your sentiments" CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:08:39.837" UserId="1685" />
  <row Id="2698" PostId="1881" Score="2" Text="Yeah, sometimes I do this in chat too. Just a note, after a day, anyone with 3500 rep (this is lower for beta sites) can protect questions - [just not initially unfortunately](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/164080/why-can-only-moderators-protect-questions-less-than-1-day-old)..." CreationDate="2013-06-11T17:39:19.040" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2768" PostId="1881" Score="0" Text="@enderland which is annoying as the dickens if you ask me. I see those questions on the 'hot questions' tag and cringe as it's only me on during the middle of the night US time, and the answers just start rolling in while I sit by helpless." CreationDate="2013-06-20T07:21:51.963" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2769" PostId="1881" Score="0" Text="jmac if you want to pick up that banner and fight the fight please do, I discussed this with AnnaLear or @Shog I think at length in chat around the time I posted that meta post :)" CreationDate="2013-06-20T13:09:32.933" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2735" PostId="1884" Score="1" Text="&quot;will we graduate?&quot; :)" CreationDate="2013-06-14T19:01:00.930" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2742" PostId="1884" Score="0" Text="One thing at which we're not yet there (and I believe should **not** hurry to get there), is questions backlog (as of now, we have about 1.8K). List of SE sites [ordered by questions](http://stackexchange.com/sites#questions) clearly shows that under 3K questions in backlog, there are no graduated sites (except for AskPatents, but [it's special case](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/146103/what-is-ask-patents-and-why-is-it-secret &quot;discussed eg here&quot;))." CreationDate="2013-06-15T21:22:43.180" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2760" PostId="1884" Score="1" Text="@enderland hoping so mate.." CreationDate="2013-06-17T15:55:05.880" UserId="9133" />
  <row Id="3249" PostId="1884" Score="0" Text="This link sums it up nicely :p - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AbjYmLIIGE" CreationDate="2013-10-16T15:07:23.043" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2714" PostId="1885" Score="2" Text="Not quiiiite. The milestones are more of a health indicator. Some sites graduate before meeting all the goals (User Experience had around 5 Q per day when it graduated I think), but meeting all goals at once is a very strong sign of a healthy site. But meeting everything but the question requirement (while keeping up consistent activity) seems acceptable for SE as well." CreationDate="2013-06-13T13:13:19.373" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2716" PostId="1885" Score="0" Text="@Rarity my apologies then! when i asked previously this was the explanation i received. bare with me, update coming" CreationDate="2013-06-13T13:23:36.370" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2717" PostId="1885" Score="0" Text="It's a common mistake. There's supposed to be a revised Area 51 site which lists more/better stats and focuses more on consistent growth over specific &quot;goals&quot; but...it's been like a year since they talked about that and no such luck yet." CreationDate="2013-06-13T13:30:05.117" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="2718" PostId="1885" Score="0" Text="@Rarity hopefully my edited question is closer to the ball now. Ironic that it was suggested for A51, the proposals site, and never made it out of there!" CreationDate="2013-06-13T13:31:22.243" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2730" PostId="1885" Score="0" Text="I would encourage folks to avoid taking those stats too seriously as they're subject to interpretation. Taken too literally, I've seen people try and reach down deep and ask more questions, which doesn't sustain and which tends to evoke very low quality. The *actual* interpretation of the questions per day stat is tied more closely to visits per day. The more interesting and helpful content we provide, the more visits per day, the more people who find the site, and the more people who ask real, legitimate questions about real, actual problems. :)" CreationDate="2013-06-14T03:28:16.563" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2719" PostId="1886" Score="1" Text="Part of me really feels like a &quot;More like a rant then a question&quot; would be very suitable but not practical." CreationDate="2013-06-13T13:31:33.080" UserId="9133" />
  <row Id="2720" PostId="1886" Score="1" Text="@jcmeloni im both grateful for your edit and amazed at your ability to access the now non-existent FAQ!" CreationDate="2013-06-13T14:10:46.037" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2721" PostId="1886" Score="0" Text="@RhysW it's  not that impressive... /faq still redirects :)" CreationDate="2013-06-13T14:11:35.167" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2722" PostId="1886" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni redirects me straight to /help" CreationDate="2013-06-13T14:12:17.977" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2723" PostId="1886" Score="0" Text="@RhysW Well sure, but it's only a click from there, is what I meant.  I was basically _trying_ to be self-deprecating. :)" CreationDate="2013-06-13T14:16:15.170" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2724" PostId="1886" Score="1" Text="This might be helpful - http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1811/new-users-guide" CreationDate="2013-06-13T14:19:01.423" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2725" PostId="1886" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni haha i must just be totally incompetent i cant even find it anymore, ill trust your judgement though! Thanks" CreationDate="2013-06-13T14:30:39.480" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2727" PostId="1887" Score="0" Text="how about &quot;Scope-&gt;Narrow&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-06-13T18:14:44.510" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2731" PostId="1887" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure using the same wording we're trying to eliminate would be productive. The too localized close reason is the most widely misunderstood and misapplied. What's more, details are actually pretty important to asking questions about real, actual problems. Real problems have *details*. To quote a recent visitor to our site: *&quot;everyone can google generic HR BS. people need something that applies to their specific field.&quot;*." CreationDate="2013-06-14T04:47:44.180" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2747" PostId="1887" Score="0" Text="Most &quot;too localized&quot; questions I see on here (that don't misuse the too-localized close reason) can easily be tweaked a bit and get extremely useful answers that detail what you should consider, and how it affects the answer. I very rarely see questions that only ever help the OP on the site, and fully agree with getting rid of this close reason in favor of something like a [&quot;What should I do?&quot;](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1888/316) close reason." CreationDate="2013-06-16T16:07:48.680" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2767" PostId="1888" Score="0" Text="I like the idea of this, however I'm not fond of the current wording. I can't think of a better alternative right now, but I think it should include the &quot;why&quot; somewhere instead of just saying &quot;no we won't help you with your specific problem&quot;" CreationDate="2013-06-19T01:32:08.660" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2736" PostId="1891" Score="0" Text="If we graduated _today_, the site would have 39 close voters (3K+ rep). That's not bad, and in fact it's 3 more than Christianity (they graduated recently). Of course numbers alone don't tell the whole story, I don't have an easy way of knowing how active our close voters are (and I do know one of them - me - isn't really active)." CreationDate="2013-06-15T15:54:07.593" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2739" PostId="1891" Score="0" Text="@Yannis - Looking at Christianity, it doesn't look like the Area 51 numbers are all that different from Workplace. In fact, Workplace's numbers are higher in every category across the board. However, my impression is that they look at other statistics like growth of visits per day, as well as the actual content. Since we're a newer site than Christianity, it seems that our rate of growth is larger. But whether or not we're ready, continuing to do the above things will still yield positive results." CreationDate="2013-06-15T18:21:30.160" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2745" PostId="1891" Score="6" Text="@Yannis I think the thing about Workplace.SE that is different from other sites is that many users only come here for a short time period - when they're looking for a job (or for help with their job). That's different from other SE sites where the majority of the active user base is made up of people that are passionate about the subject. Sure we have some of those people here, but it's definitely not as high of a percentage as something like Christianity has." CreationDate="2013-06-16T15:56:27.010" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2762" PostId="1892" Score="0" Text="I think the &quot;primarily opinion-based&quot; close reason (the replacement to &quot;not constructive&quot;) may be a bit more suitable for such questions than a custom &quot;off topic&quot; one." CreationDate="2013-06-17T20:42:43.973" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="2764" PostId="1892" Score="1" Text="&quot;primarily opinion-based&quot; refers to the type of *answers* that one will receive, not the question. For instance, *&quot;What is the best way to split compensation between salary, benefits, and stock options?&quot;* is &quot;primarily opinion-based&quot;, while *&quot;My boss is an idiot, how can I get him fired?&quot;* is an Agony Aunt question where the issue is the question itself rather than the assumed direction of the answers." CreationDate="2013-06-18T01:43:19.833" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2765" PostId="1892" Score="1" Text="I updated the wording to be a wee bit more diplomatic." CreationDate="2013-06-18T02:14:48.110" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2740" PostId="1893" Score="2" Text="I don't want this tag. We have quite a few questions where the *answer* to the question is, &quot;talk to a lawywer&quot; and I honestly don't want to have to deal with the mess of &quot;LEGAL QUESTION CLOSE&quot; we already get, when most of them are not actually legal questions." CreationDate="2013-06-15T18:56:02.427" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2746" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="I agree that we need something for questions that should be asked to a Lawyer, however I don't like this phrasing. Legal questions can be on-topic if they are the sort of question a HR professional could be expected to know, and I think this phrasing is too broad and would encourage users to close any question that has the word &quot;legal&quot; in it. Legal questions are only off-topic if they are completely out of the realm of HR professionals, and need to be asked to a lawyer instead. Also as Enderland said, sometimes a valid question does have a valid answer of &quot;talk to a lawyer&quot;, and these are OK." CreationDate="2013-06-16T16:01:12.200" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2748" PostId="1893" Score="2" Text="Maybe something like *&quot;This question is seeking a legal answer that does not fall within the realm of an HR professional's expected knowledge base. Try to rephrase the question to remove the legality issues from it. Otherwise, we suggest you consult a lawyer.&quot;*" CreationDate="2013-06-16T16:14:35.580" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2759" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="@Rachel that seems like much better wording than i came up with. Will edit that in." CreationDate="2013-06-17T08:57:11.383" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2761" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="Everything we do has legal implications.  Asking about them is not the problem.  The problem is questions like am I safe if I do X?  But they can easily be reworded to what are the implications of doing x?  Unless the question is I am actively being sued, am sueing, or expect that i will be in the near future it is not really a legal question.  How can I do X to avoid complications(like being sued) is on topic." CreationDate="2013-06-17T16:27:11.513" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2763" PostId="1893" Score="0" Text="How about, *&quot;This question is primarily seeking specific legal advice that does not fall within the realm of an HR professional's expected knowledge base. Asking 'Is X legal?' can be rephrased as, 'What are the consequences of doing X?' to get better feedback beyond 'Consult an attorney.'&quot;*" CreationDate="2013-06-18T01:40:00.913" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2752" PostId="1894" Score="5" Text="Logic is fine, but &quot;common sense&quot; usually isn't as common as you think (and if it is, the question probably should have been closed).  The only hypothetical answerer on your list whose answers would likely be any good here is Aristotle, and only if he actually explains his logic." CreationDate="2013-06-16T19:56:47.903" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3504" PostId="1894" Score="0" Text="@Monica Cellio: `&quot;Common Sense&quot; usually isn't as common as you think...` And that's exactly why it's so important for our experts to dispense &quot;common sense&quot; to the masses! http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2187/can-we-eliminate-the-close-reason-primarily-opinion-based#comment3455_2187" CreationDate="2013-11-29T16:54:20.180" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2750" PostId="1895" Score="2" Text="I've found, across several sites, that needing *both* a well-asked question and a comprehensive answer keeps most things out of &quot;excellent&quot; territory.  So if a question has an excellent answer, but the question itself is so-so, the best it can hope for here is &quot;satisfactory&quot;.  We wouldn't want to make changes during the review (moving targets invalidate the data), but should we revisit these questions after and try to fix anything that can be fixed?  Yeah, it's just 10 drops in the vast bucket, but gotta start somewhere..." CreationDate="2013-06-16T19:53:19.263" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2751" PostId="1895" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio - I may have upset that balance then, as I immediately edited the posts that I thought had issues. The edits were minor, but it involved things like, for instance, making sure the question that was tagged as &quot;India&quot; also mentioned that in the post body, since it was important to the question. In another case, I believe I clarified the title of the post to make it easier to find via Google. I like your thinking... we should totally follow up on the review and then discuss how we might take what we learn and apply it to other posts." CreationDate="2013-06-16T19:55:44.230" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2753" PostId="1895" Score="0" Text="`I do think it's possible that maybe some folks have misinterpreted the point of this exercise.` oh hi :)" CreationDate="2013-06-16T22:20:32.600" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2754" PostId="1895" Score="0" Text="Point taken, @enderland :), but a bigger question is should we use this as an opportunity to improve these posts while they're fresh on our minds and while energies are high, or should we leave them as-is in hopes that we will focus on them later, once the dust settles and our attentions move to something else?  I'd personally rather see us make improvements, even if it might skew the results, but I'm also open to discussions about what to do with these questions  after the review comes to a conclusion... Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-06-16T22:26:37.020" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2755" PostId="1895" Score="0" Text="Another reason I edited now is because I sometimes find that information on Stack Exchange comes at you fast, and oftentimes I feel like we put things on our todo list but then forget about them. So I tend to act right away so as to avoid letting procrastination win! :)" CreationDate="2013-06-16T22:29:42.503" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2837" PostId="1895" Score="1" Text="I think you have a pretty good handle on what the evaluations are supposed to accomplish. :) Also, if you come across a post that needs editing, by all means edit it! The review scores are subjective no matter what, and if at the end of the week y'all end up with a few improved posts, that's a great outcome." CreationDate="2013-07-05T15:44:19.843" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="2806" PostId="1896" Score="1" Text="One modification to this : &quot;agony aunt&quot; should just be called &quot;rant or attack&quot;. It is a 'funny' term that in itself requires additional explanation, especially to non-native English spaekers" CreationDate="2013-06-27T11:53:57.523" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="2808" PostId="1896" Score="0" Text="@JanDoggen just so you know, when it says &quot;community wiki&quot; it means you can edit it yourself to change it! For now I adjusted it to match the text in [this answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1892/7945)" CreationDate="2013-06-28T03:55:12.290" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2774" PostId="1898" Score="0" Text="Nice one, jmort253!" CreationDate="2013-06-21T17:42:08.017" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2775" PostId="1902" Score="0" Text="Makes sense. I do see lots of insignificant editng and retagging going on, though - with the unfortunate side-effect of bumping the post to the top. I think you end up with a bandwagon effect where folks want to get into the &quot;editing act&quot; even when not warranted." CreationDate="2013-06-23T10:42:51.323" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2776" PostId="1902" Score="0" Text="Hmm. I haven't noticed this recently, but I have seen unnecessary edits bump posts in the past. From what I can tell, many of the most recently bumped older questions were the result of a new answer -- which then led to further editing since the question was put back on our collective radar." CreationDate="2013-06-24T00:31:10.550" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2777" PostId="1902" Score="0" Text="I suspect it's the other way around - bumped older questions then receive new answers." CreationDate="2013-06-24T11:57:49.810" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2778" PostId="1902" Score="1" Text="FWIW I use the retag not edit feature.  which is for retagging.  IMO those should not show up as edits since they are meta changes not changes to the question or answers." CreationDate="2013-06-24T12:50:05.787" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2787" PostId="1903" Score="0" Text="What do you think of this question? http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/12617/im-getting-drug-tested-tomorrow" CreationDate="2013-06-25T11:48:43.647" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2788" PostId="1903" Score="0" Text="@JimG - My opinion is that question would apply to the rule here.  There is no reason to close it there is nothing wrong with asking how a drug screen works or how to avoid being detected... it could be a white hat attack.  I know that is compelete BS but that doesnt matter.  I voted to reopen" CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:01:04.743" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2789" PostId="1903" Score="1" Text="@Jim I think that is off-topic because it is asking about how to clear your system of drugs before a drug test, which is not something HR managers or other workplace professionals should be expected to know. In addition, the timing and phrasing of the question looks suspiciously like it was asked just to test this meta post, so I am not convinced it is a real question at all. I would not vote to close or reopen based on that assumption though, as the users intent shouldn't determine if a question is appropriate or not for the site (although in some cases, the intent may need to be edited out)" CreationDate="2013-06-25T14:25:35.123" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2779" PostId="1904" Score="0" Text="Actually the question is are they going to be caught... `Can employers see whether or not I paid taxes certain years in a background check?` This is not how will it affect how I am looked at.  I think that is my major problem with the question" CreationDate="2013-06-24T14:14:11.783" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2785" PostId="1904" Score="0" Text="I agree.  I think &quot;what are the workplace consequences of not paying taxes&quot; is as valid here as &quot;what are the workplace consequences of getting into a public fight with a former boss&quot; or ...posting about the company on my blog&quot; or any other lapses in judgement." CreationDate="2013-06-24T15:53:23.970" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2780" PostId="1905" Score="0" Text="This is a good point, we are not meant to enforce the law. I think the main worry though was the potential to perhaps *inadvertantly* aid in a crime. If it happens too frequently it will reflect very poorly on our site" CreationDate="2013-06-24T15:39:11.547" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2781" PostId="1905" Score="0" Text="Honestly I am ok with the question as the Title.  My concern is actually the Context.  Here this is I am a black hatter please let me know if I am going to get caught when I do X." CreationDate="2013-06-24T15:43:46.453" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2782" PostId="1905" Score="0" Text="@RhysW I see the chance of that happening being far greater on a site like Security.SE, so I'd say we should just keep an eye on their &quot;black hat&quot; discussions and public image, and take our cue from them. After all, why re-invent something that has a very low chance at being needed at this time, and is already being worked out elsewhere where its much more relevant ;)" CreationDate="2013-06-24T15:44:27.653" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2783" PostId="1905" Score="0" Text="@Chad I noticed the Security.SE discussions back when I was looking into how computer processes that were &quot;unkillable&quot; worked. That sort of information could be used by malicious software developers, but it is also used by anti-virus developers and network admins so they understand how to &quot;kill&quot; malicious tasks. It's valuable information that is quite relevant to their scope, so the ultimate decision was that they can't judge if a question is appropriate or not by it's potential uses only." CreationDate="2013-06-24T15:48:49.047" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2784" PostId="1905" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - And I fully agree with that position.  Here we have this I have an ongoing hack... am I going to get caught when I try to do something else." CreationDate="2013-06-24T15:52:36.437" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2786" PostId="1905" Score="0" Text="&quot;The conclusion seems to be that don't judge a question by its potential use for abuse&quot; ... &quot;SE sites are here to share accurate and &quot;expert&quot; knowledge. Its not their responsibility to police how their users use the knowledge they gain from the sites.&quot;&#xA;&#xA;Exactly right!" CreationDate="2013-06-24T16:26:05.193" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2793" PostId="1907" Score="0" Text="Ethics are completely off topic at TWP.  We allow i want to Ethically do X how type questions but otherwise the ethics part is off topic.  Legality is absolute.  That is the difference between a law and a guideline" CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:53:25.247" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2794" PostId="1907" Score="0" Text="Your example is completely different than I worked under the table to avoid taxes and I want to know if I am going to get caught in a background check for a new job?" CreationDate="2013-06-26T18:54:52.907" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2790" PostId="1908" Score="2" Text="Possible Duplicate: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/184603/clicking-leave-closed-shows-the-reopen-pop-up" CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:53:39.097" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2791" PostId="1908" Score="1" Text="Or possible duplicate of http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/185905/167443 :-P" CreationDate="2013-06-26T17:57:25.253" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2803" PostId="1908" Score="0" Text="It sounds like this is now fixed. If someone can confirm, please let me know and I'll mark this as fixed or escalate it up to the devs." CreationDate="2013-06-27T03:11:04.847" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2807" PostId="1908" Score="1" Text="Already been asked on SO Meta&#xA;" CreationDate="2013-06-27T13:14:27.130" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2796" PostId="1909" Score="0" Text="Already covered by 'primarily opinion-based'." CreationDate="2013-06-26T19:29:45.870" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2797" PostId="1909" Score="0" Text="I think this is different than a question asking for opinions about a problem." CreationDate="2013-06-26T19:46:04.063" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2798" PostId="1909" Score="0" Text="Product Reviews are *always* opinion-based." CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:12:26.017" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2799" PostId="1909" Score="0" Text="I can provide you with an objective product review based on facts and measurements.  It is still off topic.  The same is true with list questions.  All of the answers can be right and objectively so." CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:14:14.687" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2800" PostId="1909" Score="0" Text="Have you ever read 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance'? The compilation of objective facts and measurements would be filtered by whatever the reviewer thought was important. Whatever the reviewer thinks is important is... Wait for it... Subjective and Opinion based!" CreationDate="2013-06-26T20:40:58.027" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2804" PostId="1909" Score="0" Text="@JimG and Chad, it looks like there are only 3 available slots for off-topic close reasons, which does limit our choices. I like these more specific ideas though, as we could import them as custom comments in the [AutoReviewComments - Pro-forma comments for SE](http://stackapps.com/questions/2116/autoreviewcomments-pro-forma-comments-for-se) userscript. They're imported as markdown, so we could post them in an answer in a single post. More specific comments are generally more helpful than generic ones that leave users guessing, but the generic ones will make it easier to categorize." CreationDate="2013-06-27T03:24:37.753" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2805" PostId="1909" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: *More specific comments are generally more helpful than generic ones that leave users guessing...* - 100% correct. And with that being the case, I like Chad's ideas." CreationDate="2013-06-27T06:05:28.217" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2809" PostId="1911" Score="0" Text="Ask without logging in...?" CreationDate="2013-06-28T10:46:04.100" UserId="9464" />
  <row Id="2810" PostId="1911" Score="1" Text="You can perhaps find some solutions in answers to [Can you add an ask anonymously feature for Stack Exchange sites like this and onstartups?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/395/can-you-add-an-ask-anonymously-feature-for-stack-exchange-sites-like-this-and-on)" CreationDate="2013-06-28T12:00:21.107" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="22012" PostId="1911" Score="1" Text="@kevin No longer possible. Anonymous posting is now disabled on this site because [trolls make it so we can't have nice things](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6713/is-creating-anonymous-questions-disabled-on-purpose/6715#6715)." CreationDate="2020-10-30T23:06:59.933" UserId="82289" />
  <row Id="2850" PostId="1912" Score="0" Text="@JimG.: Huh? It sure looks to me like there's an account attached to that question.  Am I missing something?" CreationDate="2013-07-08T20:16:07.803" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="2851" PostId="1912" Score="0" Text="@GreenMatt: I don't think that somebody would want to create their &quot;permanent&quot; alias as `Made A Bad Mistake`. ;) That's why I concluded that it must be a throwaway account. // But you're right (and I was wrong) - It's not the same as Oded suggested." CreationDate="2013-07-08T21:23:07.667" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2852" PostId="1912" Score="0" Text="@JimG.: Agreed about that being a throwaway account, which is what thursdaysgeek was suggesting, not Oded." CreationDate="2013-07-08T21:36:21.477" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="21931" PostId="1912" Score="5" Text="This doesn't seem to be the case at this point in time." CreationDate="2020-08-21T01:50:43.283" UserId="54737" />
  <row Id="21935" PostId="1912" Score="0" Text="@Rotem - it is something that can be done site-by-site and ends up depending on the moderators and community managers in regards to when to stop anonymous posting. I've no idea which sites do and do not allow it these days, as the days I've worked for SO are long past." CreationDate="2020-08-27T18:29:30.920" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="22045" PostId="1912" Score="5" Text="As of May 2020 [anonymous posting has been disabled on this site](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6713/25739). This may be reversed in future at which point this answer would again apply." CreationDate="2020-11-21T23:26:45.593" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22347" PostId="1912" Score="1" Text="How can you accept an answer or post a comment to make your question clearer once your session is gone?" CreationDate="2021-03-01T17:46:44.013" UserId="45379" />
  <row Id="2812" PostId="1913" Score="0" Text="I disagree with this. Why make a separate account rather than just not using an account atall?, as suggested by Oded" CreationDate="2013-07-01T12:09:26.250" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2813" PostId="1913" Score="0" Text="The general consensus is that Oded's way is a better one, and I don't disagree." CreationDate="2013-07-01T20:10:26.553" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="9446" PostId="1913" Score="0" Text="Isn't this technically against stack exchange rules?" CreationDate="2016-06-24T17:39:41.363" UserId="43877" />
  <row Id="2814" PostId="1914" Score="0" Text="To a large degree, there is more emotion involved in this site's topic, which is precisely why it's important to back up answers with facts or with experiences that happened to us personally; otherwise, it becomes hard to distinguish the right answer from fiction. With that said, please don't confuse voting with something that determines if a question, in its current form, is good for the site. We look for content that will attract and be helpful to future visitors, as this will help us stand out from all the forums on the Internet. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-07-02T05:11:56.407" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2817" PostId="1915" Score="0" Text="I personally like the &quot;not constructive&quot; close reason better.  &quot;primarily opinion-based&quot; is too clunky sounding." CreationDate="2013-07-03T13:51:53.607" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2820" PostId="1915" Score="0" Text="@acolyte I agree, but &quot;not constructive&quot; wasn't clear to everyone (particularly people whose questions were closed as not constructive), and led to complaining and debates on metas. Having a simpler explanation (even if the wording isn't as nice) makes it a bit clearer why it's closed." CreationDate="2013-07-03T17:50:32.540" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2815" PostId="1916" Score="0" Text="&quot;Based&quot; was misspelled as `basd`." CreationDate="2013-07-02T19:07:06.937" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2816" PostId="1916" Score="0" Text="Thanks for catching that. Fixed." CreationDate="2013-07-02T20:22:17.223" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2819" PostId="1917" Score="6" Text="Hey now, plenty of people go to their workplace with no interest in working whatsoever." CreationDate="2013-07-03T16:11:56.190" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2836" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="Personally i found it quite hard to separate the underlying question from your geese example, which makes it hard to not focus on the geese, which people then vote down as off topic" CreationDate="2013-07-04T21:09:14.483" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2842" PostId="1918" Score="0" Text="I started reading it and my impression through the first 75% was that you were asking how to get rid of geese. I would suggest changing the title a bit so it's more like *&quot;How do I approach my boss about a controversial environmental issue&quot;* and less like *&quot;How do I ... get rid of geese?&quot;*, and begin the post by making it clear you are asking how to approach your boss about a touchy subject, instead of beginning with your reasons for wanting geese gone." CreationDate="2013-07-06T17:20:22.357" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2821" PostId="1919" Score="0" Text="Perhaps &quot;Work-content&quot; ?" CreationDate="2013-07-03T22:41:00.160" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2828" PostId="1919" Score="4" Text="What's an example of some questions that should have this tag?" CreationDate="2013-07-04T01:23:37.873" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2844" PostId="1919" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 my apologies, i have been out of town the past week dealing with family matters.  these two questions come to mind immediately: [Number 1](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/11962/should-i-ask-my-project-manager-to-review-my-work) and [Number 2](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/11747/intellectual-property-ip-who-owns-the-rights-to-my-work)" CreationDate="2013-07-08T13:03:55.817" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2857" PostId="1919" Score="1" Text="Hi @acolyte, thanks for the response. Typically, a tag wiki summary and tag wiki body would describe what type of questions should be tagged with that particular tag. While you've quoted the definition of work, I'm still not sure I understand what questions should be tagged as such. On the first example, feedback seems like a great tag, and intellectual property seems to cover the second. I suggest editing your answer to suggest how a user would know when to use the work tag. This will help determine if there is indeed value to this tag. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2013-07-10T06:38:16.013" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2822" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="... conflicts due to people having (imo) irrational defense of birds/animals/etc. I guess I see this as an issue a lot of people have to deal with at some point in their working career, probably not the software developers who frequent The Workplace however :\" CreationDate="2013-07-03T22:41:30.567" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2823" PostId="1920" Score="1" Text="@enderland, I wouldn't consider it to be so irrational. Where do all the animals go once humans have taken over everything? And what kind of impact will that have on our quality of life when whatever beneficial things these creatures do for the planet stops happening? With that said, this is a tough question. I think if you word it as &quot;how can I address solving a workplace nuisance caused by protected species&quot; maybe it might fit better." CreationDate="2013-07-04T00:23:03.863" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2824" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I guess my workforce demographic affects this. I would imagine 50% or more of those employed at my location have actively gone hunting in the past 5 years... so most people are more than willing to view geese as obnoxious/non desireable, etc. Plus I live in the USA in a region there are a toooooon of geese everywhere and it's a relatively common nuisance." CreationDate="2013-07-04T00:46:43.117" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2825" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="@enderland - My Dad is a hunter, but he's been involved for years in wildlife preservation. His focus is not so much about the individual animal as it is on the collective effects our presence here on Earth has on our environment." CreationDate="2013-07-04T00:53:11.057" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2826" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 we could go back and forth on this, but interestingly, this is the sort of dialog I wanted to *avoid* being problematic, which is what prompted the question. Here on the Workplace, neither of us work for the other and it's completely alright to have different opinions. But my employer is going to have to make a decision somehow, and having a good framework for dealing with situations *exactly like this* - but within my workplace - would be ideal. Because people (such as yourself) have a completely different perspective :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-04T00:58:25.203" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2827" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="@enderland - Back to my suggestion, try to edit to focus on how it's a workplace problem and not a personal problem. I don't think it's entirely off topic because workplaces do have to find ways to deal with these situations without it harming their reputation. For instance, the Century Inn near our office has been boycotted by us since they hate baby ducks. We now send business guests to the Comfort Inn instead. :)" CreationDate="2013-07-04T01:03:06.620" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2829" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I updated the question a fair bit." CreationDate="2013-07-04T01:24:20.700" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2830" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: The back and forth comments about geese is exactly why I voted to close this question. I'm not sure why enderland gets special treatment with this and his April Fool's question. Both should be deleted. http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/10769/jokingly-told-my-boss-i-quit-on-april-fools-and-i-think-i-just-got-fired" CreationDate="2013-07-04T02:34:04.513" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2831" PostId="1920" Score="2" Text="Hi @JimG., I don't think anyone's getting special treatment. 5 users voted to close, then some edits were made, and 5 more people voted to reopen. I agree it's an odd question for this site, but so far I don't see anything that would require any moderator actions. With that said, I did clean up some of the comments to help retain focus on the question and am hoping this helps." CreationDate="2013-07-04T06:37:18.303" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2832" PostId="1920" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: OK. Fair enough. But what about the April Fool's Day question? Are &quot;joke&quot; questions permissible? If so, count me in. I'll probably create a few throwaway accounts and create some funny ones! ;)" CreationDate="2013-07-04T12:24:16.927" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2834" PostId="1920" Score="1" Text="@JimG., it was really just one question posted that day, and it *was* April Fools Day. You're right that we don't really want those, and had it gotten out of hand a mod might have stepped in and removed it and any other joke posts. Also, everyone kept their &quot;fun&quot; to just that one thread, which helped contain it and keep the front page from looking like a sideshow. Sometimes there's several things to consider in situations like this, and that's one I looked at when deciding not to intervene. I hope you understand; it doesn't mean we want more of those. Hope this helps. :)" CreationDate="2013-07-04T15:10:02.027" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2833" PostId="1923" Score="0" Text="Thanks mate, thought I had lost the plot :(..glad its nearly Friday!" CreationDate="2013-07-04T12:27:16.227" UserId="9133" />
  <row Id="2835" PostId="1923" Score="7" Text="The window for editing comments is 5 minutes." CreationDate="2013-07-04T18:31:45.457" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2855" PostId="1931" Score="0" Text="As you rightly say though this can pop up in many industries, if we focus on answering only one of them will we accept repeat questions that want answers for a different industry? If not, then couldn't your point about the dangers be factored as a point to think about in an answer following my suggested format?" CreationDate="2013-07-09T15:34:14.127" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2856" PostId="1931" Score="0" Text="@RhysW - I don't see harm in multiple questions for multiple industries, so long as the questions don't all sound like they were asked just for the sake of asking. When people show up to our site with a real problem, the questions take on a uniqueness that can't be replicated by simply copy/pasting the questions and changing the industry name. What's more, focusing on the op's specific industry leaves the door open for more great, valuable content for our site that's similar but not quite an exact duplicate. Does this answer your question?" CreationDate="2013-07-10T05:59:54.617" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2858" PostId="1931" Score="0" Text="Yup, answers it perfectly, just wanted to be clear on where our boundaries lie on similar, potentially related, questions" CreationDate="2013-07-10T08:06:57.640" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2859" PostId="1931" Score="1" Text="I think there is a better way to get a canonical answer.  That would be to ask how to determine if insomnia would be an acceptable reason for calling in sick.  But i still dislike this because it is mostly asking for opinion.  The question is asking for judgement on when its right.  There is nothing constructive about that question that makes me think it should be salvaged." CreationDate="2013-07-10T18:10:18.843" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2863" PostId="1931" Score="1" Text="Would any answer you give to this question actually vary from industry to industry by a large [enough] margin?  A standard disclaimer always applies: situations/firms vary, check with the authority that matters for authoritative answers, but this is what I know or would expect or would suggest, yes?  I think it would be better to start from a general answer, and then, as needed, enumerate notable categorical exceptions or deviations." CreationDate="2013-07-11T23:23:37.970" UserId="612" />
  <row Id="2864" PostId="1931" Score="2" Text="I think the issue is that the question is asking solely about whether insomnia is an acceptable reason to take off, which is a very narrow yes/no question. If it were more broad, &quot;What criteria should be considered before taking sick leave?&quot; would be a far more useful answer (and would likely cover insomnia too)." CreationDate="2013-07-12T02:01:53.467" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2881" PostId="1934" Score="0" Text="&quot;it looks like we close a lot of questions, compared to other sites I'm on&quot;. Agreed. I suspect the high closure rate deters some people from asking questions." CreationDate="2013-07-18T13:34:36.103" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2882" PostId="1934" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere, it may be helping to deter me, though that's not the main thing in my case.  (The main thing has to do with the demeanor of comments; the community here feels a lot *snarkier* than my other SE sites.)" CreationDate="2013-07-18T13:48:34.370" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2884" PostId="1934" Score="0" Text="I agree with your assessment." CreationDate="2013-07-18T14:51:24.763" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2862" PostId="1935" Score="6" Text="I think this question falls into the &quot;This question is too hard to answer with out thinking so I am going to vote to close&quot; Category." CreationDate="2013-07-11T18:11:51.350" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2861" PostId="1936" Score="0" Text="exactly my point.  i don't like the reason given for the close, and have voted to reopen." CreationDate="2013-07-11T18:02:31.570" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2865" PostId="1937" Score="1" Text="-1: I don't understand what your problem is. You have edit privileges and a close vote. Do you simply disagree with the upvotes and the fact that people actually answered this question?" CreationDate="2013-07-12T06:00:59.393" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2866" PostId="1937" Score="0" Text="`The question isn't impartial` - Many questions have a point of view embedded within them. Are you saying that all of these are inherently poor questions?" CreationDate="2013-07-12T06:04:27.360" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2867" PostId="1937" Score="0" Text="`for the most part it is just confirming the assumption the asker made rather than providing information valuable to people reading in the future.` - The OP wondered if his/her assumption was valid. In a sense, the Community validated the assumption. This was a valuable exercise, was it not?" CreationDate="2013-07-12T06:08:19.530" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2868" PostId="1937" Score="1" Text="As stated, I don't think the question is off-topic or inherently bad to the point it should be closed, I just think it has little long-term redeeming value due to the inherent bias. It currently has 6 answers, so I am not in a position to aggressively edit it either. In regards to the community confirming the assumption, two are &quot;it depends&quot;, and one is &quot;in my experience it did this one time&quot; -- that is hardly a resounding affirmation." CreationDate="2013-07-12T06:54:48.293" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2869" PostId="1937" Score="2" Text="My main point is that this question has potential but isn't realizing that potential due to small issues. Yet it seems to be a popular question. Rather than taking unilateral action to shape the Workplace to my vision, I figured making a discussion on meta would be more appropriate. If you want The Workplace to succeed as a long-term resource, I would hope you would want to improve question quality too." CreationDate="2013-07-12T06:57:43.273" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2870" PostId="1937" Score="2" Text="@JimG. i think jmacs point is that the question isnt inherently 'bad' or 'wrong', but could use improving, sure he can edit, we all can, i think the point of this meta post is to discuss *what* we should edit about it to really up the standard from 'meh' to 'thumbs up'" CreationDate="2013-07-12T08:20:36.510" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2871" PostId="1937" Score="0" Text="Spot on @RhysW -- that is exactly what I'm looking for. Is &quot;meh&quot; good enough, or should we actively promote editing to improve quality?" CreationDate="2013-07-12T08:26:53.240" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2872" PostId="1938" Score="0" Text="`It currently has 6 answers, so I am not in a position to aggressively edit it...` - So there goes that idea! ;)" CreationDate="2013-07-12T11:35:16.167" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2873" PostId="1940" Score="0" Text="When I think about the question, it is broad, but is it so broad that entire books could be written about it? I'm not so sure. Also, I think about statements like this when judging an asker's motivation: [If your motivation for asking the question is “I would like to participate in a discussion about ______”, then you should not be asking here. If your motivation is “I would like others to explain ______ to me”, then you are probably OK.](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/01/real-questions-have-answers/)." CreationDate="2013-07-13T05:00:16.443" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2874" PostId="1940" Score="0" Text="[con'd] - The other criteria I look at is that yes, no answer is right, but it's not the type of question that leads to one-liner polling. This question does challenge some of the 6 subjective guidelines, and you make good points about some of them being borderline, but I'm not so sure this is a useless question that doesn't have value, especially given the explanations and experiences shared in the answers." CreationDate="2013-07-13T05:03:51.993" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2875" PostId="1940" Score="0" Text="@Jmort253 and i am dead certain that this question falls into the I want to participate in a discussion about category. and my biggest problem with the question is there is no problem the op is trying to solve." CreationDate="2013-07-13T16:50:56.730" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2877" PostId="1941" Score="1" Text="related MSO feature request: [Suggested migrations review at target site](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/151345/165773): *&quot;For more control over incompetent migrations... try a new kind review... Located at target site, it would contain a list of questions flagged / voted for migration. Target site users... could submit their feedback on whether the proposed question is a good fit for migration...&quot;*" CreationDate="2013-07-16T23:01:38.013" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2878" PostId="1941" Score="0" Text="Does this happen frequently? // If not, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. The question you referenced seems like an outlier." CreationDate="2013-07-17T01:41:23.033" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2879" PostId="1941" Score="4" Text="Here are the links to [all posts migrated here](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/tools/posts/migrated/here) and [stats on the last 90 days](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/tools/posts/migrated/stats).  While eventual deleted or downvoted questions exist in that list, it doesn't seem overwhelming to me, and the community appears to be taking appropriate actions (downvotes and closes/rejections or upvotes and edits and answers) where warranted.  Used to be mods talked about it among themselves, but I believe SE wants the tools to be used and the community to handle it, which it seems we do." CreationDate="2013-07-17T02:42:08.170" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2959" PostId="1941" Score="1" Text="After watching migrations for a month or so after my comment above, I do think that the mods might want to have a little chat in Teachers Lounge with the Productivity mods, just to make sure everyone is on the same page re: scope of topics and types of questions." CreationDate="2013-08-13T18:26:18.487" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2970" PostId="1942" Score="0" Text="Sounds good to me, although I got momentarily stuck on the 5 billion figure because I was wondering why the number wasn't 7 billion. It might be nice to remove it in order to help overanalytical people like me. :-)" CreationDate="2013-08-20T16:48:08.790" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="3001" PostId="1942" Score="0" Text="@Thunderforge But if someone asks you why only 5 billion, you get to start up a conversation! (Babies and old people don't work usually, and there isn't full employment unfortunately)." CreationDate="2013-08-26T05:59:00.703" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3002" PostId="1942" Score="1" Text="I did realize eventually why the number was 5 billion, but it made my mind lose focus on Workplace Exchange for a while. If this were a 15 second commercial, I'd hate for people to miss several seconds of it because their mind is figuring out the number, which happens early on in the &quot;commercial.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-08-26T16:00:17.177" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="3004" PostId="1942" Score="1" Text="@Thunderforge perhaps this is better for you?" CreationDate="2013-08-27T02:09:56.063" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3006" PostId="1942" Score="1" Text="That'll do. Thanks for addressing my minor nitpick :-)" CreationDate="2013-08-27T05:30:33.930" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="2880" PostId="1944" Score="1" Text="My [thoughts](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1792/2322) on [tag:salaried-pay]" CreationDate="2013-07-17T15:03:39.910" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2883" PostId="1945" Score="1" Text="Feel free to add a comment or edit the question, instead of just voting down." CreationDate="2013-07-18T14:06:15.820" UserId="9379" />
  <row Id="2885" PostId="1945" Score="0" Text="Meta tags (e.g. &quot;homework&quot; on other sites) are discouraged on Stack Exchange.  If a question is good it shouldn't matter if it's hypothetical or real; if there isn't enough information, then either that needs to be addressed or it's not a good question." CreationDate="2013-07-18T15:10:31.617" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2887" PostId="1945" Score="6" Text="@mike meta has different voting patterns. Upvotes generally mean &quot;agree&quot; and downvotes mean &quot;disagree.&quot; So people voting down means people might disagree." CreationDate="2013-07-18T16:37:41.453" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2889" PostId="1948" Score="2" Text="Just a note - &quot;opinion-based&quot; doesn't mean that the question is based on opinion, but that it structured/worded in such a way that any answers to it will be based primarily on the opinion(s) of the answerer." CreationDate="2013-07-22T19:44:07.700" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2890" PostId="1948" Score="0" Text="@Jim: If that is the case can you explain how can I structured and reworded to make it not opinion based. Please help." CreationDate="2013-07-22T19:55:46.970" UserId="19430" />
  <row Id="2918" PostId="1948" Score="0" Text="Monica Cellio's answer is excellent.  OP, you seem to be acting under the assumption that your team lead's job is to teach you, when i'm *almost* positive that's not the case.  Their job is to get the project finished.  Your job is to actually do what they need done.  If there's something you don't know how to do, it's on YOU to go out and either learn for yourself or explicitly ask for help.  I originally voted to close our question because you seem to be operating with the position of &quot;i don't know things so my 'mentor' has to teach me&quot;.  That line of thinking is wrong, imo." CreationDate="2013-07-30T13:33:39.670" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2922" PostId="1948" Score="0" Text="@acolyte: I am not assuming and also not acting it is my mentor job to teach me. If you don't get that clarity read my post again clearly and suggest me what needs to change in order to make my post not to appear. Yes I agree it is on ME to learn the things and it is my problem that is why I am reaching this wonderful community. The entire post is about how to learn when he is not in a position to help me learning. If you don't understand this clearly read my post once again" CreationDate="2013-07-30T18:35:18.827" UserId="19430" />
  <row Id="2892" PostId="1950" Score="0" Text="Great question." CreationDate="2013-07-23T19:53:50.157" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2891" PostId="1951" Score="0" Text="sounds good.  I just didn't want their answers to pull dead questions up, and give false/misleading info out/hurt the site's image." CreationDate="2013-07-23T18:43:20.230" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2893" PostId="1953" Score="0" Text="It might be better to just ask a new question.  Technically you're not supposed to make edits that invalidate existing answers, though in this case I'm not sure much would be lost.  The problem here was people answering before it was clear what you're asking." CreationDate="2013-07-25T01:27:30.857" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2910" PostId="1956" Score="0" Text="Here's the link to the deleted post, which lists you as the third deletion user: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/7406/leaving-a-job-very-early-to-accept-another-offer/13406#13406" CreationDate="2013-07-28T20:03:57.650" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2894" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  It was actually my delete vote that finished the job, so my flag was superfluous, but see the general reasoning now (and there's certainly no point in special-casing that code!).  Thanks." CreationDate="2013-07-25T17:34:40.087" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2895" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="You may have found a bug then. That happens to me a lot on MSO. If I flag something and then cast a delete vote, my flag is ignored, but if I cast the first or second delete vote and *then* flag, if someone else comes along and finishes the job my flag is marked helpful." CreationDate="2013-07-25T17:37:58.787" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2896" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="In that scenario I think your flag *is* helpful, so it should be marked that way.  Maybe what I found is a bug; maybe it's not.  I tagged it &quot;support&quot;, which I guess is an entry point to either &quot;discussion&quot; or &quot;bug&quot;, depending. :-)" CreationDate="2013-07-25T18:03:49.197" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2897" PostId="1958" Score="0" Text="If your delete vote finished the job then there's no reason to flag, unless that reason is to make mods aware of a situation. Otherwise, it would be noise at that point.  I'll check the flag history later and see what the snapshot looks like so I'm not just speculating. :) Thank you!" CreationDate="2013-07-25T19:15:38.383" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2908" PostId="1959" Score="2" Text="I think the key lines to take note of in Rarity's answer is **&quot;If the question is just &quot;answer this specific question with a specific answer&quot; I don't think that's really useful; what's more useful is &quot;What is the interviewer hoping to learn from my answer to this?&quot;&#xA;&#xA;Basically my criteria would be that answers should teach you how to respond, not just an exact answer to regurgitate&quot;**. I agree with that." CreationDate="2013-07-27T20:57:59.697" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2901" PostId="1960" Score="0" Text="Agreed on that question, I think it's bad, I am more interested in figuring out what the standard actually is given the wide variety of similar questions discussing a single (type of) interview question." CreationDate="2013-07-26T02:37:00.633" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2905" PostId="1960" Score="0" Text="[This comment](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1959/what-determines-if-a-question-about-interview-questions-is-on-topic#comment2904_1961) is a good explanation of some of how my &quot;gut instinct&quot; tends to go with evaluating subjective questions." CreationDate="2013-07-26T16:10:33.200" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2903" PostId="1961" Score="1" Text="So the issue isn't whether the question is about interview questions or not, but rather whether the question itself invites answers explaining *why* rather than just *what* to say?" CreationDate="2013-07-26T02:47:13.373" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2904" PostId="1961" Score="1" Text="@jmac - That's the main difference I see in some of those questions. The good posts ask deeper questions and are more thought-provoking, whereas the ones that were closed (but could be edited and reopened) tend to lean more in the direction of shallow polling." CreationDate="2013-07-26T14:19:46.080" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2907" PostId="1963" Score="3" Text="Think about the differences between ***&quot;How can I determine a good way to answer the super powers question?&quot;*** and ***&quot;Please give me a list of possible answers?&quot;***  Think about how the first question can lead to a deeper understanding of what the interviewer is looking for and even help you and others come up with their own super power answers. You might be able to edit that post. Just focus on technique, not building a list of possible interviewer answers. Interviewers will see right through you if you're being fake. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-07-27T04:50:18.700" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2909" PostId="1963" Score="0" Text="It does jmort253. Thanks. It is a much better way to ask that question. Let me see if I can edit the question." CreationDate="2013-07-28T16:50:26.570" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="2911" PostId="1964" Score="0" Text="How do we know that the Workplace SE is looking to leave Beta?" CreationDate="2013-07-29T10:11:01.753" UserId="9133" />
  <row Id="2912" PostId="1964" Score="0" Text="If you're going to vote reopen, then vote to reopen. We'll see these candidates in the moderator tools. Why do you need to announce this?" CreationDate="2013-07-29T11:21:49.650" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2913" PostId="1964" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGrubey as far as I can tell, currently Workplace is about 2/3 on the road out of Beta (I think we'll graduate [at about 3K questions](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1884/when-will-the-workplace-graduate#comment2742_1884 &quot;discussed in more details here&quot;))" CreationDate="2013-07-29T17:44:31.933" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2914" PostId="1964" Score="2" Text="@JimG. I share this for two reasons. First of all because I bumped 3 questions by adding CW answers and that doesn't show up on moderator tools/doesn't give any justification on why I did it. Secondly because I think the community can get involved to help tidy things up, and sharing one way to do that can't hurt. Feel free to add close votes and downvote, but really, is what I'm doing a bad thing for the workplace?" CreationDate="2013-07-30T00:11:13.503" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2915" PostId="1964" Score="0" Text="No, it's not &quot;bad&quot;; but it just seems like wasted motion. // This post reminds me of Mark Trapp's summer cleanup posts. Of course, that guy was a fanatic. He would routinely close and edit posts between 2AM and 4AM local time! Unfortunately, after doing that for several months, he got burned out, resigned as moderator, and then asked SO to delete his profile! YMMV." CreationDate="2013-07-30T02:07:21.810" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2919" PostId="1964" Score="3" Text="This is great! Getting more people in the community involved in reviewing questions is one of the reasons Workplace Meta exists." CreationDate="2013-07-30T13:52:08.187" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2916" PostId="1965" Score="0" Text="I wondered the same thing, saw this in mine this morning" CreationDate="2013-07-30T10:08:44.677" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2917" PostId="1965" Score="0" Text="Was this in one of the review queues? Or the 10k tools?" CreationDate="2013-07-30T12:35:14.600" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2920" PostId="1965" Score="0" Text="Seeing as how I have 6k rep, it can't be 10k tools I don't think. There was a yellow circle next to my name which I clicked, and it brought me to that. It didn't say a queue name. I have no idea what it was." CreationDate="2013-07-30T14:27:18.710" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2921" PostId="1965" Score="1" Text="@jmac On beta sites, the threshold for access to the 10k tools is 2k. It sounds like that's what this is." CreationDate="2013-07-30T16:44:23.083" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2925" PostId="1965" Score="0" Text="This appeared for me as well...considering I am the person who flagged it." CreationDate="2013-07-31T07:25:29.737" UserId="9133" />
  <row Id="2923" PostId="1966" Score="0" Text="So I should ignore that review queue? I find it odd that an item would pop up that the only action I can take is nothing..." CreationDate="2013-07-30T23:19:12.367" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2924" PostId="1966" Score="0" Text="@jmac See [here](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/moderator-tools), although I doubt it will tell you anything you don't already know. It seems the only other actions you could take are close (already closed) and delete ([not eligible](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/177675/167443))." CreationDate="2013-07-30T23:31:11.253" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2926" PostId="1966" Score="0" Text="Oh so &quot;community is the one making those pesky and confusing flags! Hahahahaha, I've been curious about that for a while :)" CreationDate="2013-08-01T14:52:49.900" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2928" PostId="1967" Score="0" Text="_&quot;goodbye 660 rep&quot;_ - that rep will likely stay with you no matter what, see [Deleted posts should not influence reputation](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/124754/deleted-posts-should-not-influence-reputation) post at MSO: _&quot;you should keep the reputation for... * A score of 3 or greater * Visible on the site for at least 60 days&quot;_. Score 66 &gt; 3 and your answer is dated Mar 13, visible for more than 60 days" CreationDate="2013-08-05T16:09:54.867" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2927" PostId="1968" Score="0" Text="I voted &quot;delete&quot; when I thought the question was off-topic and not something I would ever refer someone else to. Are there really good answers in there you would want to refer someone asking about one of these topics to?" CreationDate="2013-08-05T15:08:17.827" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2929" PostId="1968" Score="0" Text="And of course your brilliant edit on [#4](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/572/is-it-unprofessional-to-play-games-during-lunch-hours) made me cast a reopen vote. Thanks for the sanity check!" CreationDate="2013-08-05T23:33:21.067" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2930" PostId="1969" Score="0" Text="As the author of that answer, I believe it very explicitly addresses the most important points of the question that make &quot;just quit&quot; the correct answer: the environment is toxic (there is not just one abusive manager), and the asker merely *hopes* for a different position in the same company." CreationDate="2013-08-07T17:42:36.340" UserId="10184" />
  <row Id="2931" PostId="1969" Score="11" Text="@MichaelBorgwardt that's not what the person is asking. They aren't asking, &quot;should I quit.&quot; Sometimes people have situations where quitting isn't an option for a variety of reasons, etc." CreationDate="2013-08-07T17:48:38.923" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2932" PostId="1970" Score="2" Text="I second this, the question and answer themselves posed a very useful addition to the site that highlighted that the problem isn't always the employer or the coworker. Edit: The question can remain closed, but i think deleted is a step too far" CreationDate="2013-08-08T18:23:25.160" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="2935" PostId="1970" Score="0" Text="what about making it a [historical lock](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/126587/165773)? Just think of it, we likely will be the first ever _beta_ to have a _historical_ lock. That very fact will raise our chances to graduate from 99% to 99.99 I think" CreationDate="2013-08-08T22:46:37.457" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2950" PostId="1970" Score="1" Text="that's all i see around here.  &quot;I'm so great, I need to change the new place I'm working in&quot; or &quot;I'm so great, but nobody sees it and I can't get a job.&quot;  IMO, this place is going downhill when we allow that." CreationDate="2013-08-11T21:36:17.797" UserId="1685" />
  <row Id="2971" PostId="1970" Score="1" Text="@squeemish: Agreed." CreationDate="2013-08-20T18:15:18.230" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7594" PostId="1970" Score="0" Text="*people disliked that question not based on the merit of the question but on their personal feelings towards the attitude of the asker.* 2 years later, that attitude still remains. There have been plenty of questions downvoted here because &quot;I don't like what you want to do.&quot; when the questions asks for just that &quot;I want to do this, should I do it?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-08-28T03:47:56.700" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="2937" PostId="1971" Score="1" Text="Closing a good question as a duplicate of closed bad one wouldn't make any sense.  I wouldn't do that, and I don't think anyone should be doing that." CreationDate="2013-08-09T00:52:16.170" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2939" PostId="1971" Score="0" Text="@NickC it has happened several times" CreationDate="2013-08-09T03:49:18.733" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2944" PostId="1971" Score="0" Text="Citation?  I have never seen that and I can't think of a good justification for doing it.  A *good* question, closed as a *duplicate* of a *closed, bad, question*?" CreationDate="2013-08-09T17:28:18.320" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2948" PostId="1971" Score="0" Text="@NickC Yes it has happened." CreationDate="2013-08-10T04:56:49.537" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2949" PostId="1971" Score="0" Text="Again, where are your citations?" CreationDate="2013-08-11T01:39:36.050" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2951" PostId="1971" Score="0" Text="@NickC And the problem is that the questions that do not get revised and are closed get deleted.  So no I can not go back and find them but i bet with mod powers you could get a list of questions that were closed as dups of other closed questions that include deleted questions" CreationDate="2013-08-12T05:41:52.053" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2936" PostId="1972" Score="2" Text="A related answer I posted a few months ago: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1852/17" CreationDate="2013-08-08T22:56:39.247" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2952" PostId="1972" Score="1" Text="...i'm going to point out that Abbie made that comment more than a YEAR ago, and almost exactly a year before your first linked question was posted." CreationDate="2013-08-12T14:22:51.067" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2953" PostId="1972" Score="1" Text="Good catch. Should start paying attention to detail. Damn! @acolyte" CreationDate="2013-08-12T15:11:48.410" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="2955" PostId="1972" Score="0" Text=":tips hat:  no problem @rath" CreationDate="2013-08-12T19:09:16.283" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="2933" PostId="1975" Score="0" Text="Then I guess +/-1 comments, for the sake of highlighting the up/downvote should be treated the same. I hadn't thought of the -1s. I started a mini-crusade after writing this question and found many comments that fell into the category you describe so yes, the line is a bit blurred but not *that* blurred. Cheers" CreationDate="2013-08-08T21:29:07.420" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="2934" PostId="1975" Score="0" Text="@rath keep in mind some of the comments might be from earlier, I try to flag spamlike comments when I see them (admittedly this feels like trying to empty the ocean with a bucket and I've been lax recently)" CreationDate="2013-08-08T22:26:00.293" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2941" PostId="1975" Score="1" Text="I agree.  In addition, while I haven't seen this come up much on The Workplace, on some sites I've seen this type of comment from a known expert used to &quot;endorse&quot; an answer from a new/unknown user.  It's still important to say why (not just &quot;+1&quot;), but consider that use case." CreationDate="2013-08-09T14:42:28.703" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2954" PostId="1975" Score="0" Text="All right then. +1" CreationDate="2013-08-12T15:14:41.910" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="2940" PostId="1977" Score="1" Text="I agree with this approach. This question, as currently phrased, will not be helpful to visitors to this site. I wouldn't have voted to delete, but if the author wants it deleted it should be killed. If someone wants a question like this they can always write one." CreationDate="2013-08-09T13:07:24.923" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="2942" PostId="1977" Score="0" Text="I voted to close in the hopes the OP would come back and do some constructive edits.  I didn't vote to delete, and probably still won't (although I wouldn't be sad to see it go). I did just flag a ton of comments for cleanup, though (sorry), in case it does stick around." CreationDate="2013-08-09T15:28:40.343" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2956" PostId="1977" Score="0" Text="I dont suppose you would consider cleaning up the discussion that happened in comments beneath the question?" CreationDate="2013-08-13T03:06:23.043" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2957" PostId="1977" Score="0" Text="@Chad I'm certainly not against it.  Feel free to flag the comments. I've already deleted many." CreationDate="2013-08-13T04:39:37.410" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="2960" PostId="1982" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the answer. I didn't realize that it had been requested to have been deleted by the author. Is there any chance a comment could possibly be added to that extent? Does the delete option allow for comments on why?" CreationDate="2013-08-19T00:17:51.373" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2961" PostId="1982" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure we want to get on the habit of publicizing flags.  I made an exception here just because you asked, and it was the only way I could answer your question.  If you see something you think was done incorrectly, it's perfectly okay to bring it up here on a case by case basis.  Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-08-19T02:07:28.473" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="2962" PostId="1982" Score="1" Text="Will do. Thanks for the info. I just realized it had a real name attached, which is a good reason to have it removed at any rate." CreationDate="2013-08-19T04:19:48.347" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2963" PostId="1983" Score="0" Text="Just a comment: I don't see the second question surviving as a separate question as it can receive a variety of answers. I was once told on here to ask something as a separate question and it was closed (this was before holds existed). I also don't entirely understand how my first question is too broad. There must be some sort of guideline of the questions allowed to be asked by an interviewer in the UK. I think this would avoid getting many questions asking whether so and so question is allowed." CreationDate="2013-08-19T16:40:51.877" UserDisplayName="user9917" />
  <row Id="2964" PostId="1983" Score="0" Text="@BryanUrízar, I think your two separate questions here (as separate questions) are both reasonable for this site.  I didn't upvote the current one because of the two-in-one factor, not because of either half of the content.  &quot;How do I talk with my new employer about work-hour restrictions&quot; seems on par with &quot;how do I talk about...&quot; pre-existing vacations, family medical leave, accessibility accommodations -- all of which have been asked here.  (And I have a nagging feeling that I've answered the Shabbat question, but I can't find it so maybe it was on Mi Yodeya.)" CreationDate="2013-08-19T17:00:01.040" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="2965" PostId="1983" Score="2" Text="As one of the close voters, I voted to close this one in particular as too broad. For the first question in it, googling &quot;illegal interview questions uk&quot; brings up good answers (w/ citations) already. If the second question were asked by itself (the one about the &quot;right way to address working hours&quot;), that would be a perfectly answerable question here (IMHO).  However, having a meta question to better define off-topic for legal reasons is a good idea!" CreationDate="2013-08-19T21:51:09.577" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3003" PostId="1983" Score="1" Text="possible duplicate of [What is asking for legal advice?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1856/what-is-asking-for-legal-advice)" CreationDate="2013-08-26T21:36:07.770" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="2966" PostId="1984" Score="6" Text="In overly broad questions like that where the only clear answer depends on the exact situation, its often better to try and focus the question on what factors affect the answer and how to arrive at the answer yourself, instead of asking for an exact answer." CreationDate="2013-08-20T11:48:29.217" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="2968" PostId="1984" Score="1" Text="@Rachel, that seems different from other stack exchange websites, like parenting, where they ask questions about specific situations all the time. If this site has different expectations than other stack exchange sites, then all the more reason that it should be written in the help documentation for the benefit of new users who don't know the expectations." CreationDate="2013-08-20T15:48:45.580" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="2998" PostId="1984" Score="0" Text="@Thunderforge it was, originally. The FAQ here had a fairly good description of what types of questions were on/off topic... unfortunately the FAQ was axed in the great StackExchange update a few months ago. I personally am not sure where this information SHOULD be, now :(" CreationDate="2013-08-24T03:23:22.917" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3000" PostId="1984" Score="0" Text="@enderland is there still a record of what was on there and, if so, can we restore it? It seems like the simplest way of getting the ball rolling would be to bring back the FAQ to the way it was then." CreationDate="2013-08-24T23:05:39.783" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="2974" PostId="1985" Score="1" Text="&quot;Your vote has been recorded.&quot; Looks like my close vote worked just fine! :)" CreationDate="2013-08-21T14:11:10.623" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="2972" PostId="1986" Score="0" Text="Wow, sorry, didn't realize I could see the close/reopen status in the revision history. Apologies for the dumb question." CreationDate="2013-08-20T23:58:08.463" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2973" PostId="1986" Score="5" Text="Hey, now you know! :)" CreationDate="2013-08-20T23:58:59.073" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2978" PostId="1987" Score="0" Text="I'm not quite sure I understand how that question falls under polling for opinion, since there are authoritative sources on it (e.g. etiquette guides). At any rate though, I would be in favor of putting up the guidelines you have written on the help pages. I believe that only a mod can do that though, so I'm not sure what process has to be done to make it happen." CreationDate="2013-08-21T19:46:48.970" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="2980" PostId="1987" Score="0" Text="@Thunderforge Etiquette guides aren't authoritative, they are the opinion of someone from a specific context with a specific background for a specific audience. Using US business etiquette for a law firm in a factory in Japan won't work too well, for instance. They also change depending on the specific company/situation/person, etc. If you work for someone who has a visceral fear of loafers, it doesn't matter if a guide says wearing loafers is acceptable -- you are going to piss off your boss. The goal is not to tell you what's right, it's to help you learn how to determine what's right." CreationDate="2013-08-22T00:24:37.360" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2983" PostId="1987" Score="0" Text="Aren't most answers to workplace exchange questions the opinion of someone from a specific context with a specific background for a specific audience? While we do strive to have answers backed up by authoritative citations, recent questions that are highly rated, such as [Convince the Company I Work for to Implement Version Control](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/13918/8233) have answers that, when you boil it down, are just the opinions of the posters." CreationDate="2013-08-22T15:03:39.117" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="2981" PostId="1988" Score="0" Text="Sorry, my fault. I was a bit off on my comment and inadvertently suggested that discussing software selection was on topic. Probably not the right thing to say." CreationDate="2013-08-22T00:29:33.897" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="2975" PostId="1992" Score="0" Text="I searched and no one faced the situation I talk about in the thread. Though it may be closely related to the other linked question (which I searched today so I could understand why such questions are not entertained and puts in hazard my near future of being question banned) I believe the community can collectively help, me and future seekers of such a question, with their answers. Thanks for reopening." CreationDate="2013-08-21T15:07:52.813" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="2982" PostId="1994" Score="2" Text="&quot;Thus, if interviewing is on-topic -- if the specific job function of successfully interviewing candidates is on topic -- then it stands to reason that evaluating tools that help a person be a better interviewer may also be on-topic.&quot; Very confusing. By that definition, evaluating word processing tools, spreadsheet tools, project-tracking, or any management-support tools - are all on-topic. Most hiring managers aren't going to be the decision-maker for interviewing-support software. That would most likely be an IT and/or HR task." CreationDate="2013-08-22T10:46:20.580" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="2990" PostId="1995" Score="0" Text="@jmac is 100% correct. I think you are well intentioned and if I can help it I want to help you avoid the automated question ban (if it even exists on Workplace.SE)." CreationDate="2013-08-23T05:26:17.240" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2986" PostId="1996" Score="0" Text="per my observations, besides Trilogy and MSO, automated Q-ban might also be there at Programmers. There seem to be lots of users getting Q-banned there, but I never seen any mention that this is done manually" CreationDate="2013-08-22T22:05:52.777" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="2988" PostId="1996" Score="0" Text="`it's probably because of a (perceived, at least, but not necessarily real)...` If @happybuddha had a similar question history on one of those other sites, would he have anything to worry about?" CreationDate="2013-08-23T05:17:23.583" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="2991" PostId="1996" Score="0" Text="@JimG. only on that particular site" CreationDate="2013-08-23T11:57:56.733" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="2992" PostId="1997" Score="0" Text="I seriously have doubts that you consider this to be a Q&amp;A site at all. Look at your own responses and see how you form an opinion about the poster. Based on whatever. In my opinion if one has trouble keeping this site a pure Q&amp;A one should stop answering." CreationDate="2013-08-23T14:07:49.470" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="2993" PostId="1997" Score="0" Text="The poor history, unfortunately has been because of poor quality of judgement of members who can vote to close. If one is mathematically inclined one can look at the number of questions reopened - does this show an insight ? Also, if a fellow member without prejudice goes through the questions that were closed, will see that most of them had a sincere question." CreationDate="2013-08-23T14:10:03.777" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="2994" PostId="1997" Score="9" Text="@happybuddha If the community has such poor quality of judgment, why do you keep asking it for answers?  This is a rhetorical question, of course; it's food for thought.  The process of putting on hold, editing, and reopening questions is common across SE and is fundamental to maintaining high content quality for both questions and answers.  If there's a sincere question _that is on topic or otherwise answerable per the FAQ_, then the community will work very hard to collaborate w/ the OP and get the question to a good place. That's what SE is all about.  But it's a _collaborative effort_." CreationDate="2013-08-23T18:07:29.560" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="2999" PostId="1998" Score="1" Text="An important clarification (at least how I vote, personally) - questions need to have some value for future users. This is why the &quot;why&quot; is so important to me when asking questions. Asking &quot;yes or no&quot; does not naturally lead to this outcome." CreationDate="2013-08-24T03:26:30.510" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3005" PostId="2000" Score="4" Text="The twitterbot is automated. I don't know enough about it at this point to actually write up an answer, though." CreationDate="2013-08-27T02:36:04.760" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3008" PostId="2000" Score="0" Text="Do we have a mediocrity-level that must be exceeded for a question to be considered worthwhile?" CreationDate="2013-08-27T15:30:45.440" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3009" PostId="2000" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere: Your question sounds rhetorical." CreationDate="2013-08-27T16:14:22.167" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3007" PostId="2002" Score="2" Text="There's some more info in my question &amp; ChrisF's answer re: tweets leading to (some) closed questions on ProgSE that might be helpful/useful/something: [Should we be concerned that @StackProgrammer tweets lead to closed/deleted questions?](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/3252/should-we-be-concerned-that-stackprogrammer-tweets-lead-to-closed-deleted-quest)" CreationDate="2013-08-27T13:26:53.487" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3011" PostId="2002" Score="1" Text="@jcmeloni, Thing is, I'm not sure how much this really matters. A *person* -- someone more interesting than an automated bot -- with a good social media following on Twitter can make a far greater impact. What's more, the bot has only 73 followers, which is a pretty small group of people. We should be using the share links underneath each question and share with our own followers, which scales a lot more if all of us are doing that." CreationDate="2013-08-28T00:51:42.483" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3012" PostId="2002" Score="1" Text="Sure, but the question is about the bot." CreationDate="2013-08-28T02:16:17.767" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3013" PostId="2002" Score="0" Text="Right, got that part, @jcmeloni. Where I was going with this is do we really want to spend valuable time on something that yields little result for our site, or do we want to focus on areas that arguably could make a much larger impact? I don't see the Twitter bot as anything that should take up our time, unless it starts to spit out down-voted, closed questions, or questions about how to bake cakes. Hope this helps clarify. :)" CreationDate="2013-08-28T14:28:40.620" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3014" PostId="2002" Score="0" Text="I'll put this on my list of things to ask the Community Team, in the interests of being thorough. I'd be interested to see how much of our Twitter traffic comes from the bot vs us, the users." CreationDate="2013-08-28T14:36:37.873" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3015" PostId="2002" Score="0" Text="I'm not following where there's anything in this question or my comment that is about anything that &quot;takes our time&quot;. The SE bot does things. If we notice the bot doing strange things, based on the current accepted baseline, someone should note it to the Team. I don't think it's behaving programmatically inappropriately here.  My comment and link to ProgSE Meta was to show that there have been questions w/ answers about the bots elsewhere, that have information that help answer the question here: namely, that the bot is a bot, and it works a certain way per SE." CreationDate="2013-08-28T14:44:59.597" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3016" PostId="2002" Score="0" Text="...which some people may or may not find useful or interesting." CreationDate="2013-08-28T14:46:34.757" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3024" PostId="2003" Score="0" Text="I Think it will depend on what the specific question is.  Is it ok to exclude the stinky kid from our team is not on topic.  Some other topics will be." CreationDate="2013-08-29T18:36:50.473" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7632" PostId="2003" Score="0" Text="[This question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/18/should-we-allow-school-college-related-questions/20#20) covered a broader case of schooling-related questions." CreationDate="2015-09-11T08:53:27.577" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="3017" PostId="2005" Score="3" Text="cliches and humor look like [meta-tags](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/meta-tags/info &quot;what's this&quot;) to me. Meta tags are an &quot;officially certified&quot; target for deletion" CreationDate="2013-08-29T12:24:33.603" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3018" PostId="2005" Score="1" Text="Can we add ettiquette to this list... ettiquette is not a workplace topic" CreationDate="2013-08-29T15:13:32.247" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3019" PostId="2005" Score="0" Text="Tags with fewer than 2 uses eventually fade away on their own; there's no explicit &quot;remove&quot; step.  I *believe* that this now does not apply to tags that have wikis, though, so if you want to kill a tag with a wiki, you need to kill the wiki too." CreationDate="2013-08-29T15:44:41.617" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3020" PostId="2005" Score="0" Text="Suggestion: if the question were just &quot;which tags should we clean up?&quot; and then separate answers covered individual tags or groups of related tags, then voting would indicate community support.  Otherwise you're going to have to tease it out from comments or possibly competing mega-answers." CreationDate="2013-08-29T15:46:09.533" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3021" PostId="2005" Score="0" Text="@Chad [tag:etiquette] has 143 questions, and is likely to be a controversial deletion target.  I suggest you start a new question if you want to involve controversial targets, as RhysW's list is mostly uncontroversial." CreationDate="2013-08-29T18:19:03.403" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="3022" PostId="2005" Score="0" Text="@NickC - Only a very few are even arguably ettiquette questions though most of them are professionalism many of them are just about other people being asshats  I started removing them and was chastized" CreationDate="2013-08-29T18:19:55.840" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3023" PostId="2005" Score="1" Text="@Chad the point is this list is about obvious cleanup.  If you don't see the difference then I'm not sure what else to say about it." CreationDate="2013-08-29T18:29:08.723" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="3027" PostId="2005" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio well suggested, this is now how its done" CreationDate="2013-08-30T09:11:49.183" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3028" PostId="2005" Score="1" Text="@NickC i took the liberty of creating a question like that myself this morning if its the sort of thing you wouldnt mind giving a glance" CreationDate="2013-08-30T09:12:39.560" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3025" PostId="2006" Score="0" Text="I don't believe there is a way to see this information (I can't find it anywhere). I don't know for sure it's not available, though." CreationDate="2013-08-29T19:41:37.623" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3026" PostId="2009" Score="3" Text="This, definately this, if there is anything i have seen whilst going through all the tags its that a cleanup could increase the ease at which people find questions and decrease the confusion over what tags to use, which should stop the wanton creation of whatever happens to apply" CreationDate="2013-08-30T07:44:12.690" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3033" PostId="2010" Score="1" Text="If we make the ettiquette tag a synonym for professionalism it will work for the users seemlessly wont it?" CreationDate="2013-08-30T13:47:33.417" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3034" PostId="2010" Score="0" Text="@Chad i suppose, perhaps its just that part of me that prefers one solution over two preferring one tag over two. Given that i'd want to redefine etiquette it would put it outside whats considered on topic for the workplace" CreationDate="2013-08-30T13:50:05.333" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="17564" PostId="2010" Score="0" Text="Why not just use the definition from the dictionary instead of trying to create some very specific local definition?  _the conduct, aims, or qualities that characterize or mark a profession or a professional person_" CreationDate="2019-01-21T11:59:53.513" UserId="38511" />
  <row Id="3035" PostId="2015" Score="0" Text="I agree with killing that one use of this tag.  The tag name itself made me wonder: is there a tag for IT stuff in general, covering things like web filters, email (non-)privacy, use of corporate machines for personal use, etc?  Do we need something like that?  (Asking in a comment because I'm really not fluent in all our tags, so I don't know if a new meta question even makes sense.)" CreationDate="2013-08-30T15:12:19.887" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3038" PostId="2015" Score="0" Text="There is one for email, but the specific equipment like a server, and a stapler and a drawer isnt really needed, its all meta-tags describing the stuff in the problem, not the problem itself. Whereas email is a tool for communication and thus presents many (industry nonspecific) questions along that front." CreationDate="2013-08-30T15:48:06.213" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3039" PostId="2015" Score="0" Text="Yeah, email in the sense of its *content* is different from what I meant.  Thanks." CreationDate="2013-08-30T15:58:21.910" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3037" PostId="2018" Score="0" Text="See [this comment](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2005/rhysws-tag-reviews-suggested-course-of-action#comment3035_2015)." CreationDate="2013-08-30T15:14:41.117" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3031" PostId="2020" Score="0" Text="these seem to be about work schedules - could be over time, but more about start and stop times, communication after hours" CreationDate="2013-08-30T13:44:02.493" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="3032" PostId="2020" Score="1" Text="@mhoran_psprep so perhaps a redefinition of the tag would be more beneficial?" CreationDate="2013-08-30T13:45:53.553" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3036" PostId="2025" Score="0" Text="This might make a good synonym (for health) rather than outright removal." CreationDate="2013-08-30T15:13:20.563" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3040" PostId="2025" Score="0" Text="Seems like this could be part of [tag:safety]? Though that tag doesn't exist.." CreationDate="2013-08-31T17:40:01.913" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3043" PostId="2025" Score="0" Text="@enderland i was thinking along the same lines, we have a health tag, seems like a safety tag would be good to go along with it" CreationDate="2013-09-01T11:11:22.053" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3044" PostId="2025" Score="1" Text="Kill injury-prevention and define safety as a synonym for health?  That works." CreationDate="2013-09-01T19:00:58.687" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3029" PostId="2027" Score="0" Text="This could be part of a lot of good, meaningful questions in my opinion." CreationDate="2013-08-30T12:08:38.077" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3030" PostId="2027" Score="0" Text="@enderland thats a good point, i was sort of torn about this one but having not seen any questions currently tagged with it i was unsure" CreationDate="2013-08-30T12:31:57.563" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3045" PostId="2027" Score="0" Text="@enderland and when someone asks one it can come back, no?" CreationDate="2013-09-01T19:02:15.927" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3048" PostId="2027" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I think I am optimistic someone will bring some questions which are good, hard, and indepth questions using a tag of [tag:corporate-structure] :)" CreationDate="2013-09-02T02:59:17.980" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3041" PostId="2028" Score="2" Text="questions about relocation should be tagged... [tag:relocation]" CreationDate="2013-08-31T19:42:29.473" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3046" PostId="2029" Score="1" Text="If making it a synonym works we should do that; retagging bumps the questions." CreationDate="2013-09-01T19:04:24.670" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3047" PostId="2031" Score="0" Text="Also realize that most people's experience is quite limited in regards to interviewing (or working) in the same two locations in a similar industry at a similar time, so it may be difficult to get an authoritative answer." CreationDate="2013-09-01T23:40:00.747" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3057" PostId="2035" Score="3" Text="[KILL IT!!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!](http://i.stack.imgur.com/ihN3m.png)" CreationDate="2013-09-03T23:06:22.710" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3049" PostId="2036" Score="1" Text="With a high percentage of questions being put On Hold, I wonder if that is a disincentive to vote? I'd want to hold off in my voting until I see the question &quot;stabilize&quot; so I know what I'm actually voting for." CreationDate="2013-09-03T16:07:00.363" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3054" PostId="2036" Score="2" Text="I think you missed the *~meh~* state - That is an answer that is not good or bad and really no good way to improve it without completely changing the answer.  Those I think deserve no vote" CreationDate="2013-09-03T20:22:30.093" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3092" PostId="2036" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere - Once a post has been edited, you can always change your vote. If there are people who don't know that, then you may be right, that could be a disincentive to vote..." CreationDate="2013-09-09T01:23:21.820" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3094" PostId="2036" Score="0" Text="I doubt that most members are changing votes. I suspect the vast majority of folks are far more casual readers and voters. When they visit the site to read and see most of the top questions On Hold, I think that sends a message." CreationDate="2013-09-09T11:54:22.697" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3125" PostId="2036" Score="0" Text="It's a huge pain to find posts you downvote which get edited and improved (or vice versa). Generally I only am able to do this if I post a reason (which I do often) and then someone responds with a comment which notifies me." CreationDate="2013-09-11T15:28:42.083" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3050" PostId="2039" Score="1" Text="If it were *closed* that's what I would expect (I couldn't remember if they got deleted), but should that happen while it's on hold?  I guess it seems like it should either be deleted entirely or left in a state where people could try to help it, since it's only been on this site for a few hours.  (Note: I don't myself have an edit in mind; it just struck me as odd that anybody who does want to help can't, short of flaagging.)  Anyway, thanks for explaining what happened!" CreationDate="2013-09-03T16:09:02.810" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3051" PostId="2039" Score="0" Text="The &quot;on-hold&quot; phase is a recent addition; perhaps it would make sense to change this behavior now that it's been introduced. I think [Meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com) would be the appropriate place to discuss such a proposal, if you'd like to bring it up there." CreationDate="2013-09-03T16:17:18.330" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3052" PostId="2039" Score="0" Text="Ok, makes sense.  Thanks." CreationDate="2013-09-03T16:24:18.383" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3056" PostId="2039" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio [Close notification on rejected migrations doesn't make much sense](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/195653/close-notification-on-rejected-migrations-doesnt-make-much-sense)" CreationDate="2013-09-03T22:07:59.383" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3053" PostId="2040" Score="0" Text="&quot;It will only be a problem if most of our questions are closed / on hold all the time for a few weeks.&quot; Makes sense I guess. I'll watch to see what happens." CreationDate="2013-09-03T18:07:59.267" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3064" PostId="2040" Score="0" Text="Only thing I would add to this is that, since those folks are new users, we should do what we can to reach out to them and help them make changes, the language change from &quot;closed&quot; to &quot;on hold&quot; should make it easier to reach out and say &quot;Welcome to the Workplace, I'm going to help you out with an edit to fix XYX and get the ball rolling, but userXYZ, please feel free to edit yourself to clarify anything I've added that I might be missing.&quot;.  Hot questions may shake things up a bit, but they're also a good opportunity for us to lead others and grow the community. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2013-09-04T00:38:55.130" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3063" PostId="2042" Score="3" Text="Hi JimG, I'm not sure a full reboot is necessary, but continually refining our scope is definitely something we can continue to do, similar to killing stuck processes in the task manager." CreationDate="2013-09-04T00:33:47.953" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3058" PostId="2043" Score="2" Text="Asking how to subvert or dodge a contract seems to be pretty clearly asking legal advice to me.  It can be interesting to try to answer these questions but it seems like dangerous ground to me." CreationDate="2013-09-03T23:09:50.203" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="3059" PostId="2043" Score="1" Text="@NickC Asking what the law says about violating a contract is asking for legal advice. How to limit consequences of violating a contract is a multi-tiered question, of which one tier is 'consult an attorney' (note that [this answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/14228/7945) doesn't even discuss the law and addresses the question). Asking how to do it legally would be off-topic for sure, asking how to minimize the risk involves a legal aspect, but also involves some common sense. It is also an issue many face -- lots of people moonlight in violation of their contracts." CreationDate="2013-09-03T23:34:02.683" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3060" PostId="2043" Score="1" Text="Yes, I voted to close the question as clearly asking for legal advice and therefore off topic, as @NickC noted. Although it is not explicitly stated in the FAQ, I also interpret &quot;asking for ways to subvert a legal contract&quot; as off-topic as well." CreationDate="2013-09-04T00:21:48.347" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3061" PostId="2043" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni When you say 'clearly asking for legal advice' what standards are you using? The close reason links to the thread above, which contains the quotes I provided, and wouldn't suggest it is asking for legal advice. If the issue is asking for ways to subvert a contract, we discussed [how to deal with questions that could be used for not-so-good purposes](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1903). The conclusion: *&quot;SE sites are here to share accurate and &quot;expert&quot; knowledge. Its not their responsibility to police how their users use the knowledge they gain from the sites.&quot;*" CreationDate="2013-09-04T00:29:42.220" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3062" PostId="2043" Score="0" Text="If there were a manufacturing.se, and a manufacturer asked, *&quot;I have a product that has the potential to harm users. How can I minimize my chances of being sued?&quot;* it should be well on topic, and not a legal question either. Answers could be anything from, *&quot;Consult a lawyer&quot;* to *&quot;Be sure the dangers are clearly stated&quot;* to *&quot;Do your best to minimize the chance the design of the product will cause harm under proper use&quot;* Assuming that this question is asking for legal advice or that it is asking for a &quot;how-to&quot; guide on being evil seems to not match previous meta discussions here..." CreationDate="2013-09-04T00:32:13.623" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3065" PostId="2043" Score="1" Text="@jmac `Asking what the law says about violating a contract is asking for legal advice.` I think it's the opposite, actually.  The purpose of an attorney is in interpretation and application of the law.  So `how to limit consequences` is exactly the realm of needing legal advice." CreationDate="2013-09-04T00:58:22.830" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="3066" PostId="2043" Score="1" Text="@jmac `&quot;I have a product that has the potential to harm users. How can I minimize my chances of being sued?&quot;` actually I'm afraid I'd consider that off-topic by the same standards.  I'm not saying it's a great situation; I would love it if we could answer these questions.  But I just don't think we can do so adequately.  It's too dangerous." CreationDate="2013-09-04T00:59:33.010" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="3067" PostId="2043" Score="0" Text="@NickC In my (very numerous) dealings with lawyers (in common law jurisdictions), a lawyer will **never** say, &quot;You should...&quot; because the law is interpreted by judges who are not required to follow the letter of the law as in civil law jurisdictions. So if you ask a lawyer &quot;How can I minimize my risk?&quot; the advice will consist of examples of how the law is applied -- not what the client should do. The client is expected to take the legal advice as one aspect of decision making." CreationDate="2013-09-04T01:03:35.147" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3070" PostId="2043" Score="0" Text="@NickC In my answer to the question, what part of it is dangerous? Or how is this answer something that we shouldn't be answering? I see it as a common enough problem with non-legal common sense solutions (like not competing, and being prepared to take a huge hit to your personal reputation regardless of the ultimate legality of having a no moonlighting clause). And I don't need to be a lawyer to point that out." CreationDate="2013-09-04T01:06:54.100" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3072" PostId="2043" Score="2" Text="@jmac It is dangerous in that the user may walk away thinking &quot;alright, I think I'm covered&quot; when they **are not** -- members of this community are not vetted for expertise. Upvotes are certainly no substitute for real qualifications. This situation is fine for many topics, as SE has shown; but there are situations where there is no substitute for a certifiable professional qualification.  We should never place our readers in the situation where they might believe what they have been given is an adequate substitute." CreationDate="2013-09-04T01:14:42.823" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="3073" PostId="2043" Score="0" Text="@NickC Were I saying, *&quot;If you don't compete then there won't be a problem&quot;* I would totally agree. Were the question, *&quot;How can I prevent having any legal consequences?&quot;* I would agree. But neither is the case, the question is how to minimize risk, and the first response I gave is *&quot;Contact a lawyer to figure out legal consequences&quot;*. The lawyer will **not** advise on any consequences related to reputation as it isn't part of his expertise, and should be a significant consideration for the person asking. Lawyers are not magical experts of consequences, they are experts in the law alone." CreationDate="2013-09-04T01:27:02.343" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3074" PostId="2043" Score="0" Text="@NickC My job involves contract negotiation. We use lawyers all the time. The lawyers can tell us the legal consequences of adding/removing a clause, but they cannot tell us whether the risk profile makes good business sense (nor should they!). We can hire a consultant to tell us if the risk profile makes good business sense, but those consultants cannot tell us how to word the contract (unless they hire a lawyer). At the end of the day, someone needs to look at all components and make a decision, and this question should focus on telling the asker where to look." CreationDate="2013-09-04T01:29:15.600" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3083" PostId="2043" Score="1" Text="@NickC - I never asked for any form of legal advice - I asked how I can manage around the risk, whether that risk is with the law, my reputation, my relationships, my business prospects, my character, etc is up to the reader to interpret.  Those who are voting to close based on a *potentially dangerous* interpretation are being a bit too protective, IMO.  FWIW, jmac's response beats out any other info I could find anywhere else on the web in terms of quality &amp; coverage, so IMO it would be in the best interest of the community to keep it open.  Else I might be acting on advice via Yahoo Answers" CreationDate="2013-09-06T00:55:46.183" UserId="10425" />
  <row Id="3288" PostId="2043" Score="0" Text="@NickC, one parting comment if you read the TOS of Stack Exchange: *&quot;To the fullest extent allowed by law, Stack Exchange disclaims any liability or responsibility for the accuracy, reliability, availability, completeness, legality or operability of the material or services provided on this Network.&quot;* If someone takes code pasted on SO assuming it will work without evaluating it themselves, and it wipes out their database, that is also dangerous, yet SE protects themselves legally, and assumes the users take responsibility for interpreting contents of the site. We should too." CreationDate="2013-11-07T01:13:46.413" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3085" PostId="2044" Score="4" Text="I'm coming to the conclusion that pretty much every answer to every question here is actually &quot;Opinion Based&quot; and thus subject to closure. Those that aren't seem to be &quot;Legal&quot; questions. It's interesting to see which ones actually get put On Hold, and which few do not. I guess it is what it is." CreationDate="2013-09-06T13:24:38.547" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3086" PostId="2044" Score="3" Text="That's a great point, @JoeStrazzere, every question is to some extent opinion-based. When I evaluate a question, I look at the [Six Guidelines for Great Subjective Questions](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/). If the question meets all 6, or doesn't massively violate at least 1 of the 6, we may want to think about some editing to make them shine, followed with some reopen votes. If opinion is backed with facts, references, and specific expertise and explains why/how to take advantage of teachable moments, the question likely is good subjective." CreationDate="2013-09-06T14:19:28.320" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3088" PostId="2044" Score="2" Text="Yup. I think by that measure, we have very few Great questions here at Workplace SE. I see a few Good questions, a lot of Fair ones, and a lot of Bad ones. Not a lot of Greats." CreationDate="2013-09-06T14:59:06.427" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3130" PostId="2044" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I agree with that. I think part of the reason is people are a lot less likely to ask a comprehensive question on this site than say, StackOverflow. In my opinion, the more popular questions here *tend* to be the &quot;easy to answer with advice everyone wants to hear&quot; questions (related to [#3 here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2041/2322))." CreationDate="2013-09-12T00:44:27.373" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3131" PostId="2044" Score="2" Text="I also basically have interpreted &quot;opinion based&quot; to mean, &quot;hey guys give me some thoughts on XXX&quot; vs &quot;here's a problem I have.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-09-12T00:47:20.607" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3068" PostId="2045" Score="2" Text="The more time I spend on Stack Exchange working with new users, the more I feel that things like the [help] are actually references for existing community members, sort of like the playbook. Sure, &quot;newish&quot; users may consult it after spending a little time on the site, but the reality of human behavior is that we don't always read the entire manual before jumping in. When making proposed changes to the Help Center, perhaps we should think of it as a place for *us*, the community, to refer to when resolving disputes or citing information for others/new users in small, easy-to-digest components." CreationDate="2013-09-04T01:04:35.493" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3069" PostId="2045" Score="1" Text="In short, the new Help Center format makes it feel like a &quot;knowledge base&quot;." CreationDate="2013-09-04T01:05:03.307" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3071" PostId="2045" Score="2" Text="@jmort253 That's exactly what prompted this. I keep linking people who are asking questions (especially new users from the recent hot questions) to the help center, but don't think it actually gives them actionable advice. Having it as a reference for us to point new users to, and having the division based on how it will help users overcome a specific issue with participating would definitely benefit us as a community." CreationDate="2013-09-04T01:09:14.767" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3075" PostId="2045" Score="0" Text="I find that I use it as a reference for myself when writing tailored comments that fit a more specific situation. For instance, I'll explain how the user might improve the post, comment, answer, etc, and then link to the official reference for further reading." CreationDate="2013-09-04T01:43:10.297" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3076" PostId="2045" Score="2" Text="Yeah, I find myself linking [Good Subjective, Bad Subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/) more than the help center though, unless the reason the post is bad is clearly listed in one of the two pages. Unfortunately, the off-topic descriptions in the help center don't match the close reasons, so more explanation is necessary, and it isn't easy to point someone to where the current guidelines are." CreationDate="2013-09-04T01:47:39.240" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3078" PostId="2045" Score="0" Text="Hmmm, it looks like the basics are covered. Please see http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/closed-questions" CreationDate="2013-09-04T04:16:34.107" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3079" PostId="2045" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 The issue is that it points to the 'off-topic' page for our custom reasons, which doesn't have the reasons (which are hidden on our on-topic page). It also only says exactly what the messages in the hold message itself says (same description) without adding further depth ('unclear what you're asking' makes a lot more sense with a technical question than a subjective one, ditto with 'primarily opinion-based'). Our site is unique, so it may be in our interest to make sure that the best info we have is there for those who struggle with our guidelines" CreationDate="2013-09-04T04:19:57.350" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4197" PostId="2045" Score="0" Text="see also: [Why was my question edited/closed/downvoted?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1826/why-was-my-question-edited-closed-downvoted)" CreationDate="2014-03-18T17:57:23.830" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3077" PostId="2046" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  The question clearly needs work, and I don't have a proposed edit ready or anything like that.  The situation puzzled me, is all." CreationDate="2013-09-04T02:03:09.443" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3087" PostId="2047" Score="0" Text="These are great points for growing organically/not growing too fast. Our core avid user base doesn't increase when we get a flood of new users, and we do get spread thin." CreationDate="2013-09-06T14:23:34.040" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3089" PostId="2052" Score="2" Text="Hi @enderland, I'm thinking this is really way too broad. The following phrases come to mind:  Applying for a job, doing a job, quitting a job, researching a job, hiring for a job. That tag could lead to a lot of confusion about when to use it and when not to use it." CreationDate="2013-09-07T03:32:36.683" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3090" PostId="2053" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the support JMort, i would happily retag them all but it would bump all the questions into the active list and the tag would only be recreated again anyway. unless we were planning on giving etiquette a proper definition and then willing to enforce its proper use its probably best to just make them synonyms" CreationDate="2013-09-08T22:42:39.083" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3091" PostId="2053" Score="0" Text="@RhysW no harm in retagging them all (even if it does bump them) so long as it's on a weekend when there tends to be incredibly little activity anyway." CreationDate="2013-09-08T23:52:45.387" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3134" PostId="2053" Score="1" Text="@jmac Ok took the time out of my weekend when it was quiet, retagged every etiquette question to now be professionalism" CreationDate="2013-09-14T12:57:30.300" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3093" PostId="2055" Score="0" Text="I've answered a separate answer for each reviewed question to make it easier to discuss improvements on each one individually. Please feel free to engage me in the comments if you think my summary is wrong or could be improved." CreationDate="2013-09-09T09:50:17.143" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3097" PostId="2057" Score="0" Text="&quot;Ability to find in Search Engines (Google)&#xA;&#xA;I had to mark low for this, no matter what search terms I used nothing I could find took me to our SE. Instead all links were focussed around LinkedIn itself.&quot; This was the *top result* when I searched." CreationDate="2013-09-09T16:43:56.103" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3099" PostId="2057" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere what search term did you use?" CreationDate="2013-09-09T16:54:36.003" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3100" PostId="2057" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Are you searching in incognito mode? If not, then your results are fine tuned to your search history and browsing habits." CreationDate="2013-09-09T17:11:40.170" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3101" PostId="2057" Score="0" Text="@Yannis - Yes, I am using incognito mode for the search." CreationDate="2013-09-09T17:36:03.083" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3096" PostId="2058" Score="1" Text="&quot;Ability to find in Search Engines (Google)&#xA;Very very poor.&quot; I see it on the 2nd page of my results. Is that &quot;very, very poor&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-09-09T16:42:28.223" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3098" PostId="2058" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere yes, when do you ever go on to page 2 of google? theres a blog post somewhere that shows the stats, anything other than top 3 drops massively in views, top 10 drops again once more." CreationDate="2013-09-09T16:54:11.593" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3102" PostId="2058" Score="1" Text="Thanks, I understand your definition now. I go to the 2nd page when I really am motivated to find a good answer, or when I want to find more answers." CreationDate="2013-09-09T17:37:36.773" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3110" PostId="2058" Score="1" Text="I think that it would have been a much better question as 'how do I evaluate an employee stock option scheme?' since that would really teach people about what they are/how they work. As-is, it is far far worse than even the wikipedia article as a resource." CreationDate="2013-09-11T03:02:16.337" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3127" PostId="2058" Score="1" Text="`when do you ever go on to page 2 of google` &lt;-- whenever I search obscure tech problems which have very limited results :(" CreationDate="2013-09-11T23:06:02.677" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3111" PostId="2059" Score="0" Text="This question is very new, and so I think it may be suffering from a lack of links from other questions. I would hope it improves in the future as far as SEO is concerned." CreationDate="2013-09-11T03:04:46.237" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3109" PostId="2060" Score="0" Text="I didn't find this one on google as easily, because my guess is that 95% of the people who would value most from the question are not in the situation where their subordinate is an intern. [Managing older employees](https://www.google.co.jp/#q=managing+older+employees) doesn't have us in the neighborhood, nor does 'subordinate older than me' or the like. And that is a shame. Though our resource is comparable (if not better than) the articles that come from that search." CreationDate="2013-09-11T02:59:00.890" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3128" PostId="2060" Score="0" Text="If I remember right I put a bounty on this as I felt it was a very good question but until that point didn't have as sufficient/comprehensive answers as I wanted." CreationDate="2013-09-11T23:12:52.193" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3113" PostId="2061" Score="0" Text="On review, I thought this question may not actually be a good fit for the site. What is the actual problem being solved here? The answer serves the person asking, but the answers would be useful to future visitors who need to know, &quot;How can I effectively answer my boss' questions?&quot; which is a lot more broad (and has a lot more resources out there). I think this one definitely needs some serious improvement." CreationDate="2013-09-11T03:09:34.333" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3116" PostId="2062" Score="1" Text="For items with long titles, I think the issue may be that we are getting unfocused questions, focusing them a bit, and then calling it a day even though they could be refined further. This question could just as easily be, *&quot;Is it appropriate to intervene on behalf of a coworker?&quot;* or something of the sort, which is a broader question that would still cover this situation. It is tough to do this, especially when the asker is actively responding to comments and editing it (at least I find it to be)." CreationDate="2013-09-11T03:20:06.883" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3104" PostId="2066" Score="0" Text="Also note that our regular users are spread across many different time zones. You and Michael are in the UK, several users are spread across the US (-5 to -8 hours from you). I am in Asia (+8 hours from you), so scheduling may be a bit of a challenge." CreationDate="2013-09-10T00:42:46.287" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3135" PostId="2066" Score="0" Text="@jmac - You could schedule two events within a 12 hour period." CreationDate="2013-09-14T21:54:33.937" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3136" PostId="2066" Score="0" Text="I also want to add that if anyone wants to host or promote one of these, please ***take the bull by the horns and go for it!*** I can schedule the events so they show up on the bulletin board. just ping me in [chat]. Now, I won't be running these, but may participate depending on the day and time, so someone will have to take the lead as being the facilitator and take ownership of coordinating all the details. Good luck! :)" CreationDate="2013-09-14T22:00:25.260" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3095" PostId="2067" Score="3" Text="With this dont forget there is a min rep required to talk in chat." CreationDate="2013-09-09T14:42:21.263" UserId="9133" />
  <row Id="3103" PostId="2070" Score="1" Text="This is what i meant by Review Sessions, but i think you worded it much better than i did!" CreationDate="2013-09-09T19:49:20.007" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3105" PostId="2070" Score="1" Text="I really really like this idea. We can grab questions by number of views/day, and start editing from the most viewed questions on down. This would give us a good base to work from, and help us solidify some questions that can be used as general duplicates." CreationDate="2013-09-10T00:44:03.057" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3133" PostId="2070" Score="1" Text="One word of caution is that after a certain number of edits, posts will roll over into community wiki mode. Discussing the edits in [chat] and tweaking the content in the room may help reduce the risk of this problem. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-09-13T01:35:49.747" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3106" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="I fully agree that making a distinction between 'creative work' and 'shift work' would be appropriate and help provide better quality answers, I just don't think the *type* of creative work is going to have a major impact on a majority of questions. For instance, *&quot;How can I encourage a culture of punctuality in a software company?&quot;* would be a more accessible question if it were *&quot;How can I encourage a culture of punctuality with creative professionals?&quot;* The software industry tag serves to limit the audience in my opinion." CreationDate="2013-09-11T02:45:54.877" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3107" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="I think that a lot of the audience here are software professionals, and that the quality of some answers suffers because people tunnel in on specific aspects unique to the software industry. A [search for scrum](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=scrum), for instance, provides a bunch of different questions: [1](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/11635/) [2](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/14023/) [3](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/12362/). Does referring to a scrum add any additional value to the questions, or to the responses they get?" CreationDate="2013-09-11T02:51:38.503" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3108" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="(Disclaimer: I am not a software engineer, do not work in the software industry, and may not fully understand the unique concept of a scrum as it applies to daily work. At the same time, when reading the above questions, I think the advice would be the same in each if the concept of a 'scrum' were replaced with 'meeting', and probably improved for it because the focus would be on the broader issue than a specific subset of the broader issue)" CreationDate="2013-09-11T02:55:35.313" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3112" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="Hi @jmac, you're right that the type of work may not matter, I'd say limiting this could make it more difficult to actually ask a question on the site. However, it may be possible to subtly edit the questions to show how they could apply to other fields after the fact. As for scrum, it's a very specific type of meeting, one that may be different enough to where it shouldn't be lumped with meetings in general. However, a specific scrum problem may fit better on [Project Management SE](http://pm.stackexchange.com)." CreationDate="2013-09-11T03:08:41.483" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3114" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="In short, I do agree there are instances where some editing could help improve SEO so folks searching for &quot;punctuality&quot; and &quot;creative profession&quot; could find the site. For instance, &quot;How can I encourage a culture of punctuality in creative environments, where programmers, designers, or artists work?&quot;." CreationDate="2013-09-11T03:09:54.767" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3115" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="Most of the scrum questions don't actually have to do with specific scrum issues. Of the [8 questions marked scrum](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=scrum+is%3Aquestion), the only one I think actually relates specifically to the software industry is [this one](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/14023/). Things like [penalty for being late to a meeting](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/11635/) could be just as applicable for any mandatory coordination meeting. I just don't want to pigeon-hole questions too much." CreationDate="2013-09-11T03:16:17.573" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3117" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="@jmac - The thing is, for  http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/12362/asking-about-internal-notes-about-scrum-process-during-an-interview, Scrum is an agile methodology, and seeing the notes from a recent session could tell me as an interviewee a lot about the company, such as how true they adhere to scrum principles. As someone familiar with these processes, a lot of context could be lost if the question were just about a meeting in general." CreationDate="2013-09-11T03:26:32.457" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3118" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="For this one, http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/11635/penalty-for-being-late-to-a-meeting, I feel that if scrum were missing from this post, I don't think anything would be lost. Of course, at the same time, I don't see having &quot;scrum&quot; in the question as being harmful. It's just another keyword to possibly help people find the post via Google. The takeaway for me is that specifics aren't harmful, but adding in more general terms may help the Q&amp;A reach a wider audience." CreationDate="2013-09-11T03:28:29.667" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3119" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="I didn't mean to diverge too far into the scrum thing, my point is that many of these questions are not limited to the extent they are scoped to. I think we'd have a better resource if we actively tried to broaden questions to be more applicable. Having the word 'scrum' in a post isn't a mortal sin in my mind, I am just worried that questions which scope themselves as related solely to a small group will end up getting answers that tacitly accept that assumption and result in a worse resource for others." CreationDate="2013-09-11T04:41:26.463" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3120" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="I'm not 100% sure I understand. So here are two questions @jmac. Do you see the answers as not answering the exact question, and editing as a tool to make the questions match answers? Or are you proposing editing questions to justify changing the answers themselves?" CreationDate="2013-09-11T05:33:45.780" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3121" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="Sorry, you're right, I wasn't clear enough on that part. For questions where the (best) answers address the broader issue, the question can be pared down to remove industry-specific details without affecting the answers and making it more accessible to the general working population. If the best answers are based on those details, we should leave them. The goal is more toward future questions, and whether we should make an effort to broaden questions when possible to get more people capable of answering/more useful answers for more people." CreationDate="2013-09-11T06:01:25.473" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3122" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for clarifying. On the topic of how to handle future questions, what we'll have to determine is whether or not broadening them helps provide more value or whether it hurts by eliminating the possibility for the more targeted answers. I support experimentation to create real working examples of posts we can use to evaluate this experiment, to determine whether or not we may be inadvertently eliminating the long tail questions that are the core of SE's mission. Hope this helps! :)" CreationDate="2013-09-11T06:09:43.387" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3123" PostId="2072" Score="1" Text="The long-tail stuff is important in the long-run, and I think the best way to grow that resource is to have someone looking for a solution to their long-tail problem, find our mid-tail broader answer, and ask a question that is more specific but not a duplicate. The best way to do that is to have resources that cover the general issue, and give people an incentive to ask a question here that digs a level deeper. If they read an HBR or Forbes article they are at a dead end. If they read a question here, they can follow-up. That is where our long tail could come from." CreationDate="2013-09-11T06:41:12.643" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3124" PostId="2072" Score="0" Text="(as reference, the same thing happens a lot in SO -- I visited SO initially looking for answers to a basic Google Visualization question, and ended up asking my own, and eventually becoming the top contributor to that long-tail tag. By having a good resource that isn't quite perfect, it creates an incentive to have people fill in the gaps)" CreationDate="2013-09-11T06:43:11.527" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3129" PostId="2074" Score="2" Text="I *really* like this idea because it gives our site more purpose. We have lots of people who come here with questions that may not fit the Q&amp;A part of the site, but I wonder how many chat discussions could lead to questions that could be posted after the fact?" CreationDate="2013-09-12T00:25:48.470" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3132" PostId="2075" Score="2" Text="Danke Shoen Shog! Widows and Orphans are retagged, deleted, or on the cusp of deletion. Thanks for the help!" CreationDate="2013-09-12T04:14:58.330" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3201" PostId="2078" Score="2" Text="@Rhys - I don't want to forget this; you or someone should post a feature request to have these automatically sorted by sort order." CreationDate="2013-10-03T01:35:18.393" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3138" PostId="2079" Score="1" Text="I think we should allow productivity questions, being productive is a large part of the workplace, it might have some overlap on productivity but i can name endless cases where more than 1 site encompasses a similar area. I will write a better answer later but as far as i am concerned, as long as it isnt a resource request, and is about workplace productivity rather than personal productivity then i think they should be allowed" CreationDate="2013-09-17T11:02:28.893" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3140" PostId="2079" Score="1" Text="@RhysW - Because of the overlap, it would *definitely* have to involve productivity *in* the workplace. There are personal productivity questions that *loosely* relate to the workplace. Many CEO's and successful people exercise in the mornings, for instance, to keep their brains sharp and work productivity high. However, a question like that would blur the line too far into Fitness SE or Productivity SE to really be about The Workplace SE." CreationDate="2013-09-17T14:52:12.653" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3139" PostId="2080" Score="2" Text="I agree with this; when I saw the question in chat I immediately thought it would conflict with/lead to &quot;How do I do my job?&quot;, which is OT." CreationDate="2013-09-17T12:40:53.740" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3141" PostId="2081" Score="0" Text="+1 - Those are great examples of on-topic and off-topic questions." CreationDate="2013-09-17T17:59:18.477" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3142" PostId="2081" Score="1" Text="I disagree that *&quot;how do I improve my team's ability to meet deadlines&quot;* is a productivity question -- the productivity tag pigeon holes all responses in to discussing how to improve productivity, when the correct solution may be to plan more contingency in to the schedule, or reduce scope, or otherwise do the same *rate* of work while still meeting a deadline. Ditto with keeping meetings short -- getting a bullet list of effective meeting tactics is less valuable than understanding why the meetings are going long (as that is the actual problem that needs solving)" CreationDate="2013-09-17T23:55:36.017" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3145" PostId="2083" Score="0" Text="In today's market where finding a job can arguably be a pretty daunting task, this would be a great way to provide value. I'm wondering if [Stack Overflow Careers](http://careers.stackoverflow.com) could somehow be leveraged here? Or to keep with the Workplace SE spirit of welcoming all professions, perhaps some other methods could work?  Sounds like &quot;Workplace Careers&quot;." CreationDate="2013-09-19T04:13:07.307" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3146" PostId="2083" Score="0" Text="Great thoughts @jmort, that would be a natural extension in the future. In the meantime I think focusing on SO Careers and the Software Industry is probably the most practical, and something some of our regulars would be interested in as well." CreationDate="2013-09-19T04:29:46.240" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3147" PostId="2083" Score="0" Text="It does have me thinking though, that a natural extension to a site about careers and the job hunting process would be an actual companion site for searching for jobs in *any* industry. Come to the Q&amp;A for the career tips and knowledge, then go to the career site to land a new job." CreationDate="2013-09-19T04:32:49.193" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3148" PostId="2083" Score="0" Text="Discussed in chat starting [here](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/11295200#11295200)" CreationDate="2013-09-19T05:24:59.187" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3149" PostId="2084" Score="4" Text="Disclaimer on my comment: I have built things in this area and worked with organizations implementing similar discussion/crowdsourced review platforms for their localized use.  Comment #1: Isn't this antithetical to the Q&amp;A nature of SE? Comment #2: If not, and it's envisioned like Code Review SE, wouldn't SE be more prudent to roll something related to this into Careers 2.0? (where, however, the traditional resume &amp; job posting paradigm is subverted) Comment #3: sounds like a useful product, y'all should go build it. :)" CreationDate="2013-09-19T12:39:52.260" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3150" PostId="2084" Score="2" Text="@jcmeloni - I think we were picturing a separate site, like how careers.stackoverflow.com is separate. The Q&amp;A site is a different beast altogether, and I think an experiment of this magnitude *in the Q&amp;A section* would break the site." CreationDate="2013-09-19T13:41:54.050" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3151" PostId="2084" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni: `Isn't this antithetical to the Q&amp;A nature of SE?` - Terrific point. Jeff Atwood is probably rolling over in his Discourse.org grave!" CreationDate="2013-09-19T17:35:25.463" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3152" PostId="2084" Score="1" Text="@JimG. - For sure. :) This stuff is really just loose, uninhibited brainstorming based on something [jmac said here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2083/98). This stuff definitely wouldn't fit as an actual topic on Workplace SE, not without really junking up the Q&amp;A." CreationDate="2013-09-19T18:32:49.907" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3154" PostId="2085" Score="2" Text="The comment you referenced was deleted by Jim. If you see these, please continue to flag them. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2013-09-21T21:14:33.537" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3157" PostId="2085" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: Agreed. And with that being said, I'm really not sure that it warranted a Meta post. Hope this helps. Voting to close (and then delete)." CreationDate="2013-09-23T02:53:51.893" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3158" PostId="2085" Score="0" Text="@JimG. - Posts like this are helpful because they encourage others to flag, putting more eyes on the problem. Thus, I don't see this as noise. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2013-09-23T02:56:34.300" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3159" PostId="2085" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: But this seems like a solution in search of a problem. Did we have a problem?" CreationDate="2013-09-23T02:58:55.723" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3160" PostId="2085" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: In fact, why isn't this question a duplicate of this one? http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1697/7945" CreationDate="2013-09-23T03:09:56.020" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3163" PostId="2085" Score="4" Text="Keep in mind comments cannot be downvoted so bad advice/etc in comments is considerably more of a problem than in answers, which can naturally be downvoted and discussed." CreationDate="2013-09-23T15:44:04.477" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3164" PostId="2085" Score="0" Text="@enderland: ...Except for that fact that nobody has demonstrated that these comments occur in abundance and that they remain visible long enough to perpetuate the phenomenon that you speak of." CreationDate="2013-09-23T17:22:35.150" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3155" PostId="2086" Score="0" Text="as stated, I cannot search comments. If you don't see them -- great! If you do, flag them. I don't quite grasp the negativity toward the suggestion?" CreationDate="2013-09-22T08:05:15.810" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3156" PostId="2086" Score="1" Text="@jmac: You're asking TWP community to pay more attention to &quot;Just Quit&quot; comments/answers: and I'm wondering 'Why?' Have we missed some blatant violations of the agreed-upon standard?" CreationDate="2013-09-22T17:56:02.057" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3161" PostId="2086" Score="0" Text="I tend to see a lot of questions on the site for a variety of reasons. The volume of this sort of answer has been more significant than usual as of late (mainly in comments). I did not record the threads and did not have a list, but figured that if I am seeing many of them, others will likely stumble across them too. Hence the meta post. I do not think that everyone is even aware of the standard, which is another reason I linked to that thread here. Again, what is wrong with this post?" CreationDate="2013-09-23T06:10:50.573" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3162" PostId="2086" Score="1" Text="@jmac: If the problem was occurring in abundance, you'd have no trouble citing at least *three* occurrences. Otherwise, I remain unconvinced that this is actually a problem." CreationDate="2013-09-23T11:19:38.097" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3168" PostId="2086" Score="4" Text="Hi JimG, there's really no need for proof that this is a problem. We know it's something we want to prevent from becoming a problem, so there's no issues with someone bringing this point up. With that said, please don't get into edit wars with other users meta posts. If you see a problem with a post, please flag it instead. Thank you!" CreationDate="2013-09-24T01:41:11.117" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3165" PostId="2087" Score="4" Text="Meredith, I understand that sometimes quitting is the only way out of a bad situation, but as jmort's post says the bar should be set high before providing such an answer. Giving suggestions on how to cope with the situation are (generally) reversible, quitting is not. Think of it as a version of [&quot;Primum non nocere&quot;](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primum_non_nocere), &quot;first, do no harm.&quot; Any advice we provide should try to minimize lasting harm to the person asking for it, which is why suggestions to quit are so dangerous." CreationDate="2013-09-23T23:28:56.200" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3166" PostId="2087" Score="1" Text="I'm certainly capable of defending the assertions in the particular cases described.  However, in general, if someone offers appropriate alternatives I'll endorse them." CreationDate="2013-09-24T00:17:09.930" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3167" PostId="2087" Score="3" Text="Just to clarify and reiterate, posting answers that claim one should quit his or her job could definitely be the right answer, we just want the person answering in that manner to demonstrate, with facts, references, or specific expertise, that he or she really *does* know what he or she is talking about. Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2013-09-24T01:32:58.080" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3170" PostId="2087" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: Correct. And to that end I remain unconvinced that we are being inundated with unsubstantiated &quot;Quit&quot; comments." CreationDate="2013-09-24T02:24:28.033" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3171" PostId="2087" Score="0" Text="@jmac: I think that most people who say 'Quit' really mean 'Find a new job and then quit.'  And this doesn't violate 'Primium non nocere.'" CreationDate="2013-09-24T03:49:13.490" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3172" PostId="2087" Score="0" Text="@Jimg. In the first example above, no. Get out - now. Sticking around means 'you should have done something', even if you had done what you could and the buck stopped somewhere else.  At that point, it should be up to the people that are responsible to live with the consequences.  This isn't trivial, consider oil refinery explosions that were the result of gross negligence. If you tell people their lives are in danger but don't leave, should they believe you?" CreationDate="2013-09-24T04:02:34.167" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3173" PostId="2087" Score="0" Text="In situations where the company is being driven over a cliff or you are working for someone that is incorrigible, yes.  If you're in a one industry town it will take awhile to find another job, but unless someone walks you out the front gate you should take your time.  What's particularly important in this situation is to know your market." CreationDate="2013-09-24T04:05:30.967" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3174" PostId="2087" Score="0" Text="Meredith, in the case of potential gross negligence on the part of the employer, I think it is even **more** dangerous for us to be giving advice. Situations like that should be referred to employment attorneys and the proper authorities. I find it useful for normal questions to assume that the asker knows very well that they have the option to quit their job, and that perhaps because of their knowledge of the market they are asking how to improve the situation rather than just leaving. At any rate, I find 'quit' as a last-resort suggestion that should require extraordinary care to give." CreationDate="2013-09-24T04:13:18.627" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3180" PostId="2087" Score="3" Text="**&quot;I'm certainly capable of defending the assertions&quot;** -- consider such a defense **necessary by default**, that is providing such a defense in every one of the answers where you suggest quitting. As has been stressed above, quitting is _irreversible_ move; a responsible answerer would do their best to ensure reader that such a serious advice is justified in a given case. Any answer of just-quit kind, if not backed up with a compelling defense, is _guaranteed_ to get my downvote - on the grounds of being insufficiently responsible (per DV tooltip: &quot;This answer is not useful&quot;)" CreationDate="2013-09-27T12:22:51.260" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3176" PostId="2089" Score="0" Text="Well that was easy! :)" CreationDate="2013-09-25T18:44:33.057" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3177" PostId="2089" Score="3" Text="Under what conditions does a use get deleted?" CreationDate="2013-09-26T11:51:43.540" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3179" PostId="2089" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere The more common reasons for a moderator to delete an account is spam or extremely offensive posts _without_ any other positive contributions (if there are other positive contributions, suspension is preferable). Also, accounts of users under the age of 13 will be removed ([COPPA](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children's_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act))" CreationDate="2013-09-27T00:51:07.410" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3184" PostId="2090" Score="0" Text="For answers, I believe this falls under, *'this is not an answer'* if it does not have sufficient justification (meeting the stringent standards above). For comments, we do not have the option to downvote, and in order to express our disagreement we can only provide a counter-comment (which is weak) or flag (which is what I strongly encourage you to reconsider doing). We should be extremely careful not to cause harm to the people asking questions here, and I think 'just quit' answers are among the most harmful that can be provided." CreationDate="2013-09-30T01:08:10.007" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3182" PostId="2091" Score="0" Text="And they're back! Very odd." CreationDate="2013-09-28T14:12:58.047" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3183" PostId="2091" Score="2" Text="This is a bug that happens from time to time and has happened on other sites as well. I'm having some trouble digging up any real information about it right now though." CreationDate="2013-09-28T15:10:29.487" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3186" PostId="2091" Score="1" Text="[Related](http://fc03.deviantart.net/images2/i/2003/52/1/2/But_why_is_the_rum_gone_.jpg)" CreationDate="2013-09-30T12:47:09.580" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3189" PostId="2093" Score="2" Text="As the final delete voter, this is exactly why I voted to delete it. The answer didn't even attempt to explain the logic and didn't follow the 'back it up' principle." CreationDate="2013-10-01T00:16:21.887" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3187" PostId="2096" Score="1" Text="`The lesson you taught the new user was that changing the word in the title wasn't good enough` &lt;-- this is exactly my point I guess. According to the &quot;reject&quot; justification I posted, and used, it in fact is NOT good enough. I don't really care either way which is why I'm asking here - it seems most people approve any edit which is beneficial, regardless of how comprehensive it is." CreationDate="2013-09-30T13:43:32.257" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3188" PostId="2096" Score="6" Text="I think edits to titles are more important than comparable edits to bodies.  The title is what shows up on the main page and in links; a poor choice of wording or an embarrassing typo there has much broader impact.  (I didn't participate in this particular edit, but I would have approved it -- the original was a head-scratcher and misleading.)  Also, if the question is already near the top of the front page, the bump doesn't do much harm." CreationDate="2013-09-30T16:59:09.237" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3190" PostId="2098" Score="0" Text="In this case, the rejected edits were made to the title of the post. While I agree with your accept/reject list as a general rule, see [my answer here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2100/98) for why title edits are considered more substantial." CreationDate="2013-10-02T05:20:57.037" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3191" PostId="2098" Score="1" Text="I fully agree @jmort, because of the fact that it was an edit to the title, I think this makes the post clearer and should have been approved for that reason. Titles are very important for people browsing the front page, searching for questions, or for search engine results so they are definitely a very important portion of making the question clear." CreationDate="2013-10-02T05:28:51.203" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3192" PostId="2100" Score="0" Text="In the specific case, the words &quot;haunted&quot; and &quot;found&quot; have very different connotations. Changing this word completely changes the tenor of the question - perhaps to something not intended by the author. I can imagine the author thinking &quot;that's not what I meant&quot;, and I worry that this might discourage others from writing." CreationDate="2013-10-02T11:43:11.747" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3193" PostId="2100" Score="0" Text="@joe the meta question was this edit was too minor to even consider, your comment was that it was too major to consider. It can't be both." CreationDate="2013-10-02T12:39:16.143" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="3194" PostId="2100" Score="0" Text="@mhoran_psprep - agreed. That's the difference between the general question about &quot;minor edits&quot;, and the specific example pointed out." CreationDate="2013-10-02T13:05:35.560" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3195" PostId="2100" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere - I reread the question on the main site, and &quot;found&quot; seems to match much better than &quot;haunted&quot;. Although you make a good point that editors should look at the context when editing to avoid accidentally changing the meaning of someone's post, when avoidable. In this specific case, I don't see that happening here. Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2013-10-02T14:52:36.770" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3208" PostId="2102" Score="1" Text="Please... Please consider Jim and enderland's comments before mass deleting things." CreationDate="2013-10-07T15:19:13.673" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3202" PostId="2103" Score="0" Text="I should clarify, I intend to remove only the ones I don't think are adding value or ones that are suggesting legally or morally dangerous things. Not just because they are downvoted. I'm doing it on a case by case basis, thanks for pointing that out" CreationDate="2013-10-07T12:11:59.113" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3203" PostId="2104" Score="3" Text="for the [example used](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1507/869) I believe that it would be better to have an (upvoted) answer that lays out the idea in the [impartial tone](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/) and follows up with a compelling explanation for why it would be bad. If there was such an answer, I wouldn't mind deletion of the one that gives a pretty shaky &quot;proof by comment and downvotes&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-07T12:53:38.347" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3204" PostId="2104" Score="0" Text="Added for clarification: &quot;Don't confuse these with good, value adding answers that have been down-voted though. The plan is to remove those that don't add value, not those that are just disagreeable.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-07T13:03:16.657" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3206" PostId="2104" Score="0" Text="+1: Totally agree. Consider this: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/6464/my-boss-slapped-me-over-a-calculation-error/6471#comment15937_6471" CreationDate="2013-10-07T15:17:45.823" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3209" PostId="2104" Score="0" Text="I disagree that becoming an unpaid volunteer is an answer to how do I get a job...  Though I agree in principle that some down-voted answers have value. The one you cited really lacks the basic &quot;why this is the correct answer&quot; explanation.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-07T15:31:41.323" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3212" PostId="2104" Score="5" Text="In general I don't think any answer that relies on comments is a good answer. If people have problems with an answer that information should be in other answers. `Refutation of an answer should be in other answers.`" CreationDate="2013-10-07T17:19:36.623" UserId="10281" />
  <row Id="3214" PostId="2104" Score="1" Text="Fully agreed, [comments are like Post-It notes on SE](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/19757/209637) and should not be relied on to provide guidance. If the comments disappeared, would the answer still have value? If not the comment should be rewritten as an answer to address what *not* to do as one example so that the comment (and the other answer) can be deleted without a loss of quality." CreationDate="2013-10-07T23:17:30.640" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3215" PostId="2104" Score="1" Text="Since I don't know whether we want answers just saying, &quot;Don't...&quot; I created a [separate question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2105/are-dont-do-answers-appropriate) to discuss whether those types of answers are appropriate." CreationDate="2013-10-07T23:39:16.443" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3230" PostId="2105" Score="0" Text="As I pointed out in a comment to &quot;David&quot; the problem with his answer is that it does not explain how to parlay the volenteer work into a job.  If it did then I think that the answer would be worth keeping around.  With out that it does not answer the question." CreationDate="2013-10-14T02:43:43.297" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3216" PostId="2106" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the feedback. From my perspective, there are three ways to solve this: 1) add an answer, delete the one at the bottom less likely to be read. 2) add the information from the comments about what not to do to another answer if it's useful. 3) Just delete the answer if too many answers is a bad thing, since its usefulness doesn't merit a separate answer, it must not be that useful in the first place. Which are you advocating we do?" CreationDate="2013-10-08T01:36:29.430" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3217" PostId="2106" Score="1" Text="I would say one of any of the three, but if you do #2, you should also be sure to answer the question.  If your goal is to only respond to something someone else said in another answer that sort of starts to cross over into extended discussion territory. I'm not saying that every answer that does this should be immediately down voted and deleted, but we should be sure to focus on answering the question if we can. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2013-10-08T01:41:03.463" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3218" PostId="2106" Score="1" Text="cont'd - I also think that only the community can really decide what crosses the line. Maybe highlighting &quot;don't work for free&quot; is so critically important to success that we give it a free pass. Whereas some other post that doesn't really answer the question might be less valuable. But here lies the dilemma with this logic: *How do we enforce that as a community without people feeling like the guidelines aren't very clear?*" CreationDate="2013-10-08T01:44:21.807" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3219" PostId="2106" Score="5" Text="I don't think that responding to another answer is appropriate, but rather that if information is important enough to occupy an answer, then it should be welcomed as an answer itself. If it isn't, then low-voted answers with a comment that provide value don't pass the 'provide value' test, and should be deleted. Just looking for consistency so that we can make decisions on these things in the future." CreationDate="2013-10-08T01:47:59.657" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3220" PostId="2106" Score="2" Text="Another suggestion is to just make 100% sure that the post follows the back it up rule and cites some references. If we post something where lines may blur, we can make sure there are facts, references, citations, etc to explain why it's so important that that information be referenced. I don't see any of this as being a hard-line in the sand, so anything one can do to make the answer appear like a helpful Stack Exchange answer will help add value to the site, and if it adds value then it's harder to make any case for down voting or removal." CreationDate="2013-10-08T01:49:57.677" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3221" PostId="2106" Score="0" Text="Basically, we just want to make sure we're focusing on quality and not quantity. If our posts do that, then we're doing the right things. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-10-08T01:51:25.540" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3241" PostId="2107" Score="0" Text="Agreed, I don't remember seeing it happen but i'm disappointed that it got the responses it did." CreationDate="2013-10-15T19:28:49.440" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3222" PostId="2108" Score="8" Text="How could individual users help the Community when they see something like this? Flag a comment, flag the question, ..." CreationDate="2013-10-12T17:11:24.657" UserId="10281" />
  <row Id="3223" PostId="2108" Score="4" Text="@dcaswell - Great question. When in doubt, flagging is usually the best option. You can flag a comment, or if the entire conversation has degraded you can also flag the post and use the Other (needs ♦ moderator attention) option. Our goal is to simply diffuse the situation and create a great site for asking and answering workplace questions." CreationDate="2013-10-12T18:42:21.220" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3224" PostId="2108" Score="0" Text="@dcaswell: Great point. And this is why this is a non-issue. We already have infrastructure and mechanisms in place to deal with this." CreationDate="2013-10-13T02:28:13.663" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3225" PostId="2108" Score="5" Text="@JimG. - Well, it kinda is an issue in that we don't want folks scaring away new users with what could be perceived as hostility. Flagged or not, the damage has been done. That user won't convert to a regular nor become a good user on our site or even edit and try to improve the question. This person may even tell others to steer clear of Workplace SE. While that might be extreme, we should definitely shoot for the goal of trying to grow and retain our users and readership by being nice." CreationDate="2013-10-13T02:46:36.610" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3226" PostId="2108" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: 100% agree. But Joel Etherton is an avid Stackoverflow user. He knows the rules, protocols, and decorum. How can we really do any better?" CreationDate="2013-10-13T03:11:07.133" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3227" PostId="2108" Score="2" Text="@jim If he knows the rules why he is not following them? When prompted to &quot;Ask for information or suggest improvements&quot; are you actually saying that &quot;The rest is whinging [sic]&quot; fits either category?" CreationDate="2013-10-13T14:06:34.103" UserId="10281" />
  <row Id="3228" PostId="2108" Score="3" Text="`those who are truly happy with how their lives and careers have turned out, don't need to respond with such hostility` - There are people who are successful, and are happy that just enjoy being rude." CreationDate="2013-10-14T02:31:11.197" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3232" PostId="2109" Score="0" Text="wonder how we compare to other sites by the number of _open_ questions. If we're behind a particular site because they've got huge backlog of closed questions that aren't eligible for [roomba](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/177675/165773), this wouldn't worry me much... rather opposite :)" CreationDate="2013-10-15T09:02:47.157" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3233" PostId="2109" Score="0" Text="You'd have to do a search on each individual site with the `is:closed` operator to get an idea of that. And that's a lot of sites (100, give or take)." CreationDate="2013-10-15T09:31:11.437" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3234" PostId="2109" Score="0" Text="yeah, that would be too much of work. Still, maybe worth checking 2-3 non-beta sites that are closest to us by the number of questions, to get an approximate idea how we stand against these" CreationDate="2013-10-15T10:20:43.073" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3243" PostId="2109" Score="1" Text="@gnat, the results are not good. We have a far far far higher portion of closed questions over the past month (40+%) than any non-beta site. That may also be something we need to work on." CreationDate="2013-10-15T23:48:54.960" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3244" PostId="2109" Score="1" Text="Additionally made a [feature request on meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/201815/make-stats-more-accessible-on-stackexchange-com-sites) for better and more accessible stats. Please go on over and take a look if you want to help make this sort of information easier to get." CreationDate="2013-10-16T01:12:37.940" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3245" PostId="2109" Score="1" Text="24.4% close ratio looks quite close to 23.14% of Programmers ([6,461 closed](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/search?q=closed%3Ayes) of [27,926 total](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/search?q=is%3Aquestion) there). That's unlikely a pure coincidence, as [Shog once noted](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/190106/dealing-with-find-out-whos-going-to-buy-the-croissants/190413#comment590941_190413) &quot;The topics accepted by Programmers and TWP are... _problematic_... But then, that's why these sites _exist_...&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-16T07:53:18.663" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3246" PostId="2109" Score="0" Text="@gnat, didn't the reboot help that? Or is it still an issue? (No time to check the last 6 months or year for comparison purposes right now). Regardless, that may be one of the reasons we aren't moving forward yet -- prevent a repeat or somesuch." CreationDate="2013-10-16T08:28:57.263" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3247" PostId="2109" Score="1" Text="reboot (if you mean [scope change from NPR](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/3415/31260)) rather triggered it, as the topics that were originally supposed to be OK became closeable. There is a backlog of old closeable questions that adds to the close ratio (directly, as well as indirectly by making [broken windows](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/broken-windows/info) setting bad example), but even without it, close ratio could be around 15-20% I think. And, I think stricter closures at Workplace _now_, will help us in the _future_. Another thing worth taking into account is..." CreationDate="2013-10-16T08:53:55.560" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3248" PostId="2109" Score="1" Text="...a [damaging influence of collider](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/192046/165773), and this likely impacts both Workplace and Programmers. Hotness formula tends both to promote troublesome questions (&quot;trouble with popularity&quot;), and damage good ones &quot;thanks&quot; to lemmings coming from collider. This stuff is highly visible and makes wrong impression to outsiders about what kind posts are fit for the sites" CreationDate="2013-10-16T08:54:28.483" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3235" PostId="2110" Score="0" Text="I am heavily inclined to disagree, I won't delete an answer that has good, value adding information that is likely to help users just for assuming it was in the US. Though if it can be generalised to not be just the US i will more than happily edit. The auto assumption that every question is US specific is a slightly different issue that should be handled with care rather than mass deletions. A little more reading can be done around http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/25/should-we-have-country-specific-tags" CreationDate="2013-10-15T14:17:27.680" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3236" PostId="2110" Score="0" Text="Employment law is very specific a general answer doesn't help anyone and could do real damage to people." CreationDate="2013-10-15T18:26:40.647" UserId="10870" />
  <row Id="3237" PostId="2110" Score="0" Text="Deleting answers that assume US, and deleting answers that offer dangerous legal advice are two very different things however." CreationDate="2013-10-15T18:30:15.387" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3238" PostId="2110" Score="0" Text="Well what would you do if the top answer to a question on what happens during company take overs in the USA makes copious reference to TUPE which is a very complex EU legal frame work?&#xA;&#xA;&#xA;I am fairly experienced in UK employment law and it took me a additional 2.5 day course just to be able to give basic advice on TUPE." CreationDate="2013-10-15T18:44:34.150" UserId="10870" />
  <row Id="3239" PostId="2110" Score="0" Text="We won't have much, if any, content here if we follow this all the time. Almost ALL users fail to consider cultural implications for non-Western cultures. Also, [related link](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/578/how-can-we-ensure-answers-are-culturally-relevant)" CreationDate="2013-10-15T19:15:17.357" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3240" PostId="2110" Score="0" Text="so split the Q into two and move the answers appropriately and probably mandating that you have to add a location tag when adding a question." CreationDate="2013-10-15T19:18:07.410" UserId="10870" />
  <row Id="3242" PostId="2110" Score="0" Text="@RhysW I agree I am all for deleting answers that assume US but keeping answers that are dangerous and may help evolution..." CreationDate="2013-10-15T20:16:18.023" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3250" PostId="2111" Score="1" Text="If you have other suggestions for good queries to find questions, please edit the post and add them. We need more votes." CreationDate="2013-10-17T02:23:15.827" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3251" PostId="2111" Score="0" Text="consider limiting &quot;accepted answers&quot; to only those in open questions. Promoting answers in closed questions may be slippery, as it could motivate people answering instead of closing" CreationDate="2013-10-17T04:30:43.880" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3252" PostId="2111" Score="1" Text="You could always edit them yourself @gnat! I limited the last search to open questions, but the second cannot be limited to closed questions since it is searching for answers (answers cannot be closed, so adding `closed:no` will return 0 results, I will point out the bug on meta)" CreationDate="2013-10-17T04:55:03.800" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3253" PostId="2111" Score="1" Text="I fixed the second one too with an ugly workaround due to the [bug with searching](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/201970)" CreationDate="2013-10-17T06:43:03.827" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3254" PostId="2113" Score="0" Text="Thanks, did that!" CreationDate="2013-10-21T15:23:22.087" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="3255" PostId="2113" Score="1" Text="You can also comment (perhaps as part of an &quot;off topic/other&quot; close vote) suggesting the OP ask on another (specific) site.  I've been told that customizing the migration list isn't available for beta sites, though graduated sites can add a small number of options." CreationDate="2013-10-21T17:28:04.093" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3256" PostId="2113" Score="3" Text="I recommend against suggesting asking on another site until the migration has been decided (to prevent duplicate posts at the destination)." CreationDate="2013-10-21T18:10:51.360" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3263" PostId="2113" Score="1" Text="@Monica I've added a bit about customizing the list (didn't know all the details yet when I wrote the answer)" CreationDate="2013-10-24T16:58:45.627" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3257" PostId="2114" Score="2" Text="Yeah, but that was not my point. This question is undoubtedly garbage on any SE site. However, I was more curious why there was only one option to migrate to, and since it was this question which got me thinking, I thought I might as well put it there as a &quot;courtesy&quot;. :P" CreationDate="2013-10-22T03:17:05.473" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="3258" PostId="2114" Score="3" Text="No problem @Happy! Just wanted to make sure that anyone else who stumbled upon this knows the first rule." CreationDate="2013-10-22T03:45:24.363" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3260" PostId="2115" Score="2" Text="FWIW, I'm pretty sure my vote was for &quot;too broad&quot;." CreationDate="2013-10-23T17:04:30.997" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3262" PostId="2115" Score="1" Text="Mine might also have been for &quot;too broad&quot; too, although it's also primarily opinion-based." CreationDate="2013-10-24T15:15:52.690" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3390" PostId="2115" Score="0" Text="@BVR - It appears that my response came after an edit to the question. Did it help?" CreationDate="2013-11-19T09:11:44.933" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3394" PostId="2115" Score="0" Text="@MeredithPoor: Yes it helps. Thanks for your response" CreationDate="2013-11-19T15:15:06.290" UserId="19430" />
  <row Id="3259" PostId="2116" Score="0" Text="I didn't understand. Did you voted to close because it is not in the format what you anticipated? Or the question looks like opinion based. If the question looks like Opinion based, which part sounds like Opinion based?" CreationDate="2013-10-23T14:50:23.150" UserId="19430" />
  <row Id="3261" PostId="2116" Score="0" Text="@BVR, I thought your question would be on topic because I thought it would match an existing non-closed question. I voted to close as *primarily opinion-based* because you asked a different question that was primarily opinion-based. The reason for mentioning what was said in chat was to try to explain any disconnect you may have felt when I said one thing in chat, and did another." CreationDate="2013-10-24T01:56:51.247" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3264" PostId="2116" Score="0" Text="This was further discussed [in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/conversation/clarification-to-bvr-by-jmac)" CreationDate="2013-10-24T23:46:38.483" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3267" PostId="2117" Score="1" Text="It seems borderline, but not enough where I'd justify closing it myself. It's a good question. It also has 4 of the 5 close votes needed. You could jump into [chat] and make a case for that last close vote, assuming you *really* feel strongly about it being closed. A lot of our users hang out in chat. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-10-28T19:42:57.397" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3269" PostId="2117" Score="1" Text="I totally get it. I just thought, I might not be doing it right. I didn't feel that strong about closing it and it does attract some great answers now. At first I just felt like it was actually the wrong place to answer it and therefore thought I'd close it. @enderland's point about the question belonging to the community to some extend is a great way of seeing it." CreationDate="2013-10-28T19:53:47.917" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3265" PostId="2118" Score="1" Text="So, it's intended that I can't close my own questions when I feel like it. Thank you!" CreationDate="2013-10-28T17:01:37.127" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3266" PostId="2118" Score="8" Text="@CMW keep in mind &quot;your question&quot; is not quite accurate since this site somewhat functions like Wikipedia - you might originate it but eventually it belongs to the community to some extent" CreationDate="2013-10-28T18:49:37.740" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3268" PostId="2118" Score="0" Text="That is a very good point, @enderland. My intent wasn't at all to question the practice as such, though, but rather figure out if this is intended behavior or if I'm doing something wrong." CreationDate="2013-10-28T19:51:40.127" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3270" PostId="2119" Score="2" Text="possible duplicate of [Are Ethics part of our purview?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/453/are-ethics-part-of-our-purview)" CreationDate="2013-10-30T04:12:44.467" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3271" PostId="2119" Score="6" Text="I personally think this is a duplicate but should be answered. Sure the question has been asked before, but times have changed, opinions hange and the user base has changed slightly too. This is an important discussion for the future of the site and I think it should be answered thusly, rather than being ignored because of decisions based on an older version of the site" CreationDate="2013-10-30T08:19:49.347" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3277" PostId="2119" Score="0" Text="@RhysW - Great points, but many of these ethics questions may be editable to focus on a real problem rather than just the theory behind the problem. Not saying the theory isn't bad, just that it's one way to once again circumvent the discussion and still create great content. :) In summary, I feel like we get better questions if we ask the op *why* he/she is concerned with the ethics and then reword it as the problem the op is really trying to solve behind the scenes." CreationDate="2013-10-30T14:19:47.257" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3278" PostId="2119" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 oops, i meant this *meta question* should be answered as important to the site (should ethics be allowed) not that the question on main should be answered" CreationDate="2013-10-30T14:51:00.543" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3280" PostId="2120" Score="3" Text="I think if the question were &quot;We want to have this where the candidate will address an actual production issue.  What boundries do we need to watch to maintain the ethical high ground(or something to that effect)?&quot;  Then it would be much better.   I could also see the question &quot;How should I respond to this type of test to prevent my work from being used for profit with out compensation?&quot;  There are probably hundreds of potential questions from this scenerio that would work.  But they all address the real problem rather than ask us to pass judgement on the practice." CreationDate="2013-10-30T19:10:01.690" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3281" PostId="2120" Score="1" Text="@Chad, 100% agreed. Both of those would be tremendous questions." CreationDate="2013-10-31T01:45:15.443" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3272" PostId="2121" Score="1" Text="You have just articulated why I voted to close this question..." CreationDate="2013-10-30T13:51:36.333" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3274" PostId="2121" Score="0" Text="So all ethics-related questions should be removed from SE? :D" CreationDate="2013-10-30T14:10:40.607" UserId="11086" />
  <row Id="3275" PostId="2121" Score="1" Text="@randunel - No, but the ones that can be reworded to focus on a more specific question should be reworded. This prevents people from just giving random thoughts on the subject and instead teases out actual answers. I really only count two real answers on your post that meet our guidelines. The other answers arguably may need to be edited to meet our [back it up rule](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/255/faq-proposal-back-it-up-and-dont-repeat-others). But in general, I do think this question could be edited and reopened." CreationDate="2013-10-30T14:12:55.193" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3276" PostId="2121" Score="3" Text="Instead of asking if it's ethical, you might be able to ask *why* employers do this and how you can tell if you're being taken advantage of. Not only does that get at the heart of your problem, but it's also more actionable; ***it solves a problem.*** I'd suggest jumping into [chat] to see if any of our top editors have any more tips on how to edit this. Good luck! :D" CreationDate="2013-10-30T14:15:08.940" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3279" PostId="2121" Score="0" Text="test was the wrong word its &quot;unpaid work&quot;" CreationDate="2013-10-30T16:49:55.123" UserId="10870" />
  <row Id="3273" PostId="2122" Score="1" Text="It may be possible to edit the question to conform and also match the two best answers that included personal experiences. Otherwise, as it stands, being on hold is not necessarily an incorrect state. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2013-10-30T14:10:02.837" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3286" PostId="2122" Score="0" Text="A better question would be is &quot;Is this practise legal&quot;." CreationDate="2013-11-04T08:47:09.417" UserId="3405" />
  <row Id="3282" PostId="2123" Score="0" Text="The podcast was awesome! The Workplace is something new and different from the original SE model, and it's working!  With that said, I like the Rhys's Career Development post idea. Real stories about real people who are part of our community are interesting because they're about people we know, and it demonstrates exactly the type of value this site provides." CreationDate="2013-10-31T06:14:34.040" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3283" PostId="2123" Score="0" Text="@jmort, now all we need to do is convince Rhys to write it!" CreationDate="2013-10-31T06:57:54.163" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3284" PostId="2123" Score="0" Text="Sure I guess I can give it a go!" CreationDate="2013-10-31T09:05:30.320" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3285" PostId="2123" Score="0" Text="@RhysW / jmac - If RhysW doesn't have time to write it, someone could do an interview style blog post. Of course, I think a first person account would be way more powerful." CreationDate="2013-10-31T20:43:09.313" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3287" PostId="2126" Score="11" Text="Are the questions good questions?" CreationDate="2013-11-06T23:20:20.667" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="3289" PostId="2126" Score="3" Text="@NickC I am certian I can craft some really entertaining questions that would look like good questions.  I personally feel like the questions are pollution.  I think if the site fills up with them people will stop coming here." CreationDate="2013-11-07T02:44:33.470" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3299" PostId="2126" Score="4" Text="3/4 of my questions are _not_ based around a real problem I was facing. Their average score is +23.25, but more importantly they generated good (and a couple of great) answers. Just saying..." CreationDate="2013-11-07T13:59:21.073" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3301" PostId="2126" Score="1" Text="@Chad: `...Head off the flood of questions about situations that only occur on TV.` Which ones are those? The ones that occur on Star Trek? Even Game of Thrones includes situations that would make for good questions on TWP." CreationDate="2013-11-07T15:50:48.840" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3302" PostId="2126" Score="2" Text="&quot;I work mostly from my Malibu Beach house, this worked well for me until my brother and his kid moved in with me. Now it seems like all we do is get into one hijinks after another and I am not getting work done. What should I do?&quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-07T15:52:20.637" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3304" PostId="2126" Score="0" Text="@Chad: OK. Fair point. I would vote to close that immediately." CreationDate="2013-11-07T16:05:52.323" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3305" PostId="2126" Score="1" Text="Yannis the problems were not your problems but they were real problems.  And I do not have a problem with those type of questions." CreationDate="2013-11-07T17:00:44.420" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3306" PostId="2126" Score="1" Text="Some days I wish I could use Jethro or Duckys management style at my last gig there where a few that needed a head slap :-)" CreationDate="2013-11-07T22:51:05.680" UserId="10870" />
  <row Id="12020" PostId="2126" Score="1" Text="As the real world is far more bizarre than fiction, disbelief is rarely a good indication of falsehood." CreationDate="2017-03-17T13:03:27.227" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12107" PostId="2126" Score="0" Text="The issue of people making stuff up will ultimately spell the demise of the site if something is not done .The site means a lot more to others than it means to me but I would like to see it as a credible site .I dont know how to stop fiction on the site .If I thought of anything then I would say." CreationDate="2017-03-24T22:42:30.153" UserId="47468" />
  <row Id="3292" PostId="2127" Score="0" Text="Hi Jim, you made a great point about how problems don't have to necessarily be one the asker is specifically facing, so I updated my post to differentiate between fake problems we should steer clear of and real problems that may not necessarily be *our* problems. It's still important we stay focused on quality though and not get too lost in the allure of quantity, especially since we've experienced 100% growth on our site in 6 months. Our site is doing well! :)" CreationDate="2013-11-07T04:10:56.953" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3293" PostId="2127" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: Thanks, jmort! Keep up the good work." CreationDate="2013-11-07T04:19:47.700" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3294" PostId="2127" Score="1" Text="your note about _never graduate_ doesn't make good sense to me. Based on my observations, it looks most likely that Workplace will graduate the day (maybe week) after we build 3K question backlog - at 4.7 rate, this is going to take 4-5 months from now. Worth mentioning that having 3K backlog artificially bumped up by soap opera garbage looks a recipe for disaster: questions asked after graduation will carry a risk of [following bad examples](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/broken-windows/info &quot;broken windows&quot;) from backlog" CreationDate="2013-11-07T09:00:27.813" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3295" PostId="2127" Score="5" Text="&quot;As I write, Beta.Workplace.SE is currently trending at a mere 4.7 questions per day. This is unacceptable. At this rate, the site will never graduate.&quot; It's neither unacceptable, nor a sign that the site will never graduate. Don't get stuck on the A51's stats, they don't tell the whole story and are _not_ binding. Skeptics, for example, graduated with ~2 questions/day (and is currently at 2.2 questions/day). There are quite a few other factors SE will consider when they discuss graduation and most of these factors are only available to them. That said, we can always use more (good) questions." CreationDate="2013-11-07T09:42:09.110" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3298" PostId="2127" Score="1" Text="@Yannis: Thanks, Yannis. Please see my revisions, inspired by your comment." CreationDate="2013-11-07T12:41:56.613" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3290" PostId="2128" Score="0" Text="+1: Yep. Pretty much the same point that I was making. Thanks @jmac!" CreationDate="2013-11-07T03:37:37.723" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3291" PostId="2129" Score="7" Text="+1 for *&quot;The last thing we want to do right now is trade our quality for quantity and try to game the system&quot;*" CreationDate="2013-11-07T04:00:39.310" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="12005" PostId="2129" Score="0" Text="Going to start not answering this users questions.  I am sure they won't care, but I will feel better." CreationDate="2017-03-16T23:23:03.280" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="3296" PostId="2130" Score="2" Text="None of the questions alone from this user really raised my spidey-senses until the last one. But when you string the questions together, it is clear that they are coming from somewhere else solely because of the variety and the lack of continuity. I am not sure if I should be the arbiter of believability across questions though if each one, self-contained, is a good question." CreationDate="2013-11-07T12:22:45.923" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3297" PostId="2130" Score="2" Text="@jmac well, as long as these are indeed OK self-contained, the only way to expose the issue is probably to find out the original source and raise complaint about unattributed copying. BTW if the guy is in the racket of IT PM trainings, this may also explain _variety and the lack of continuity_ - one of my friends is a trainer and he's got a lot of war stories collected at clients he did trainings for - much _much_ more than anyone can get through the individual career" CreationDate="2013-11-07T12:26:53.523" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11997" PostId="2130" Score="0" Text="Given what I've seen in RL, it is extremely difficult for me to assume anything to be fiction." CreationDate="2017-03-16T21:10:36.443" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="3307" PostId="2133" Score="0" Text="Fully agreed. I think we should really get around to cleaning up our tag categorization in general at some point, to focus around specific themes and issues to get better &quot;similar question&quot; links and the like" CreationDate="2013-11-08T03:02:40.590" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3326" PostId="2134" Score="2" Text="*&quot;How do I convince my employees to come to team meetings on time?&quot;* The overwelming response to this was do not try..." CreationDate="2013-11-12T14:56:59.257" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3323" PostId="2138" Score="1" Text="The goal of inviting the person to explain how the cycle of Q&amp;A shaped their thinking and understanding could actually be great feedback for us. Understanding how folks think could tell us more about what works and what doesn't work, especially if that person doesn't have a Stack Exchange account or is new to Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2013-11-09T02:27:25.327" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3313" PostId="2139" Score="1" Text="see: [What should I keep out of my posts and titles?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/131009/165773) (MSO faq-proposed): _'I've recently been editing out things such as &quot;hope this helps&quot; and &quot;good luck&quot; from posts...'_" CreationDate="2013-11-08T13:46:41.437" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3314" PostId="2139" Score="2" Text="@gnat - yup. I guess &quot;Good luck&quot; is like &quot;hope this helps&quot;, and is thus verboten. I'd thank you for pointing this out, but apparently that's frowned upon. ;-)" CreationDate="2013-11-08T14:03:37.023" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3312" PostId="2140" Score="1" Text="Those pretty much dealt exclusively with salutations in *questions* rather than well-wishes in *answers*. If the rule is &quot;no friendliness in answers - just answer and don't put any personality into it&quot; I guess I can accept it, if not agree that it's a wise rule. I don't make the rules - I just seek to understand them..." CreationDate="2013-11-08T12:54:11.133" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3315" PostId="2140" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere for what it's worth, I've edited out a ton of salutations in questions and none in any of your answers ;)" CreationDate="2013-11-08T14:58:21.277" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3316" PostId="2140" Score="0" Text="I understand. I'm just trying to increase my understanding of the rules here. Even after being here a while, I still find it uncomfortable to have my answers edited by others. I'd prefer to avoid friendly phrases in the first place if that's what is necessary, rather than having them edited out after the fact. If I were king, I'd rule differently. But I'm not, so as a humble member of the masses, I try to comply." CreationDate="2013-11-08T15:05:41.187" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3317" PostId="2140" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere what made me get more used to the idea personally is thinking about Stack Exchange more like Wikipedia than a forum. Your answers are generally good enough I never really feel the need to edit them, though :)" CreationDate="2013-11-08T15:26:51.213" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3318" PostId="2140" Score="0" Text="Yup, thanks. I understand, but don't really agree. What makes Stack Exchange unlike Wikipedia are the names attached to questions and answers here, as well as the &quot;gamification/scoring&quot; attached. Again, this isn't the way I'd do things, but it's not my site." CreationDate="2013-11-08T15:43:46.940" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3322" PostId="2140" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere agree that personal attribution (&quot;attached names&quot;) calls for somewhat different [editing philosophy](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/194863/165773) than that at Wikipedia. Similar to theirs, as [editing](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/editing/info) is considered &quot;core, fundamental Stack Exchange value&quot;, but still, not exactly the same" CreationDate="2013-11-08T17:49:43.750" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3324" PostId="2140" Score="1" Text="@Joe, it is your site, in the sense that SE is community owned. We are the ones who decide (within reason) what we want. Personally I think editing other people's answers makes for a better resource (especially for typos and silly errors), and don't mind it. There are lots of people who don't. You can always ping editors with `@username` if you need details on an edit, and can always rollback if needed." CreationDate="2013-11-11T00:54:52.940" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3320" PostId="2142" Score="1" Text="+1: `First, don't get too hung up on location for the too localized close reason, as it's not about location. In fact, this is why that close reason has been removed from the list.` Bravo! And you're absolutely right. The 'Too Localized' close reason was widely misinterpreted by 'Joe Users' as well as moderators. Thanks @jmort253!" CreationDate="2013-11-08T16:15:58.950" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3319" PostId="2143" Score="4" Text="&quot;Hope this helps!&quot; - I see what you did there... :-)" CreationDate="2013-11-08T16:04:43.487" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3321" PostId="2143" Score="0" Text="You are more awesome than me." CreationDate="2013-11-08T16:20:03.130" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3355" PostId="2145" Score="0" Text="Kill it! Burn it with Fire! Drop the remains in Acid along with anyone who tries to use it again in the future... ok the last part may have been overboard." CreationDate="2013-11-14T21:28:12.660" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3325" PostId="2146" Score="1" Text="Tag removal is a good time to go through and clean up some questions. Scrolling to the bottom of [this list of results](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?page=3&amp;tab=votes&amp;q=%5bemployees%5d%20votes%3a-15) shows you the worst questions with this tag, if anyone wants to go through some of them." CreationDate="2013-11-11T02:24:04.697" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3331" PostId="2146" Score="0" Text="yes can we also look at the &quot;employer relations&quot; tag as a semi professional in this area I would have said the term, is &quot;employee relations&quot; or &quot;industrial relations&quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-13T16:07:34.343" UserId="10870" />
  <row Id="3327" PostId="2147" Score="1" Text="Hi jmorc, can you show an example of what you see as the problem, for context? Thank you! :)" CreationDate="2013-11-12T20:41:10.740" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3328" PostId="2147" Score="1" Text="Every SE site _is_ a Q&amp;A site, not a forum." CreationDate="2013-11-12T21:42:41.030" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3329" PostId="2147" Score="0" Text="Jmort253 and NickC are correct. Without a single example, I really can't comprehend the &quot;abuse&quot; that you're referring to." CreationDate="2013-11-13T00:50:27.823" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3330" PostId="2147" Score="1" Text="I added an example to the post I assume is the source of the question." CreationDate="2013-11-13T04:07:47.377" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3333" PostId="2147" Score="1" Text="There's a reason why many of that user's posts are heavily downvoted." CreationDate="2013-11-13T15:32:27.323" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3334" PostId="2147" Score="0" Text="Are you referring to [this comment](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/16619/capitalizing-on-a-desperate-employer-during-turnover#comment40163_16625)? &gt; &quot;@jmorc - so you're in Stack Overflow and Programmers. I take it from that you're an RN.&quot;. If so, I have two thoughts: 1. If you're offended by this, you can flag it and specify *why* you're offended by this.&#xA;2. Why are you offended by this?" CreationDate="2013-11-13T13:06:14.927" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3335" PostId="2147" Score="1" Text="I don't think the asker is offended so much as just pointing out that the user isn't answering the question that was asked. It seems the answer was based on material in the users profile instead of material in the actual question." CreationDate="2013-11-14T03:21:48.313" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3358" PostId="2147" Score="1" Text="@JimG. I am most definitely not offended, and yes that instance is one of the things I'm talking about.  However, when I asked my other two questions,one of our prominent users tried to make a connection between the two questions and HEAVILY edited my question to include their 'discovered' connection. In reality, the situations had happened at separate jobs and I was just trying to think of some general questions to ask so I could get rep. I've seen this type of cross-referencing happening a few other posts and jmacs answer actually gives a lot of insight to the situation." CreationDate="2013-11-14T21:47:58.090" UserId="9212" />
  <row Id="3359" PostId="2147" Score="1" Text="@jmorc: Ahhhh. I see. Please pardon my original misunderstanding." CreationDate="2013-11-14T22:07:55.140" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3440" PostId="2147" Score="0" Text="I'm running into another issue on this axis. Someone has asked about managing a team, it doesn't mention software in particular but there are certain hints that it is.  The OP lists SO and Programmers as other groups he frequents. My response is non-generic for a couple of reasons - one has to do with the metrics available from source control systems, the other having to do with the particular resistance of some people to actually writing code.  I have no idea when or if edits will be made to the question that remove some industry specific information." CreationDate="2013-11-25T05:15:21.153" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3365" PostId="2149" Score="0" Text="Thanks, this is great.  It is all about keeping questions self-contained.  I really should have expressed that in my original question." CreationDate="2013-11-15T13:18:26.800" UserId="9212" />
  <row Id="3363" PostId="2153" Score="0" Text="A lot of these should be edited - overall I'm in agreement with your rationale.  This particular one lost too much in translation.  My perspective from the original post is that the poster was not merely confused about how to compose a question, but not sure what they wanted to do with their life - some of the complaints are basically just part of the human condition - you don't always get to work with people you're comfortable with.  This is what 'disappeared' in the edit." CreationDate="2013-11-15T07:43:19.523" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3364" PostId="2153" Score="0" Text="@Meredith, as I tried to explain below, a closed question doesn't help the person who asked, or future visitors. It doesn't get answers. Since asking 'what should I do with my life?' is off-topic, it is hard to keep the same context while keeping it within site guidelines. Bearing in mind that closed questions provide no help to anyone, how can we keep questions like this open, and with all their context if not to edit out some of the off-topic material?" CreationDate="2013-11-15T08:09:18.607" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3384" PostId="2153" Score="3" Text="Excellent question.  As an editor, you want to maintain the author's voice.  But as a site maintainer, you need to make sure the questions are high quality which means you may mute some of the author.  My vote would be to prioritize site quality over an individual's voice." CreationDate="2013-11-15T14:51:11.933" UserDisplayName="user1209" />
  <row Id="3389" PostId="2153" Score="0" Text="@Glen, exactly! Thanks for stating what I wanted to say so clearly. That is spot on." CreationDate="2013-11-16T03:01:30.417" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3336" PostId="2154" Score="1" Text="You should take a look at some of my other edits. That one was actually quite mild. Take a look at [this](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/15539/revisions) for instance. *Relevant* context is critical, but if the context doesn't provide context for the question, usually it gets closed in a heartbeat. Hence the edit. Hence the close post-rollback. I am not disagreeing I changed it, but I think I changed it for the right reasons (and think it would have had a positive effect). Now that the question is closed, it can't get any answers at all -- context or not." CreationDate="2013-11-14T14:47:14.253" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3337" PostId="2154" Score="5" Text="I wouldn't use someones posting history to determine if the edit is valid or not, only that the context of the original question is still there." CreationDate="2013-11-14T14:50:26.197" UserId="3405" />
  <row Id="3338" PostId="2154" Score="2" Text="What does posting history have to do with it? If a question is closed, the author needs to fix it well enough to get it reopened, *and* to overcome the downvotes it receives on the way to [On Hold]. If it gets edited earlier (before getting fully closed) it can become a successful question, like the ones above. What did the rollback accomplish? The context is there, but it is now sitting with no reopen votes, and the only remaining upvote is the one I placed after my edit... How is the current situation better than it was after my edit?" CreationDate="2013-11-14T14:58:11.390" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3339" PostId="2154" Score="4" Text="You were the one asking me to look at your posting history as a reason to say your edits on this question were justified. As for your last point, again your edit removed most of the actual context of the question(s)." CreationDate="2013-11-14T14:59:30.657" UserId="3405" />
  <row Id="3340" PostId="2154" Score="3" Text="I am pointing out that despite removal of context, I am getting many thanks from the people whose questions I edited, and the community is rewarding those edited questions with upvotes and answers for the asker. That context is also important. I am not just removing information for the sake of removing information, rather I am focusing questions to get them attention and quality answers for the asker and future visitors. Rolling back my edit only accomplished getting a potentially useful question closed." CreationDate="2013-11-14T15:02:04.750" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3341" PostId="2154" Score="4" Text="as far as I can tell, your rollback did more harm than good, because of recovering unsubstantiated rant &quot;team where the concept of manners and the kind of polite behaviour I am accustomed to is mostly absent&quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-14T15:06:09.897" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3342" PostId="2154" Score="0" Text="Edited question. Last I have to say on it. The reversion wasn't personal against you, so don't it as such." CreationDate="2013-11-14T15:09:13.493" UserId="3405" />
  <row Id="3343" PostId="2154" Score="1" Text="@gnat I don't associate &quot;male office environment&quot; with people who work unprofessionally. Unsubstantiated or not, it was something she was asking about." CreationDate="2013-11-14T15:18:22.720" UserId="3405" />
  <row Id="3344" PostId="2154" Score="2" Text="not anything asker asks about, fits the SE Q&amp;A model. Unsubstantiated rants don't" CreationDate="2013-11-14T15:24:12.423" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3345" PostId="2154" Score="4" Text="Rather than rolling back I think it would have been better to improve the edited version.  Rolling back to an unacceptable version (with out the request of the OP) is something that should be done when the edit is invalid not when it needs improvement." CreationDate="2013-11-14T16:23:19.133" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3346" PostId="2154" Score="5" Text="@Chad &quot; I think it would have been better to improve the edited version&quot; (in hindsight). I think so too, but the edit was invalid IMHO." CreationDate="2013-11-14T17:27:49.647" UserId="3405" />
  <row Id="3347" PostId="2154" Score="2" Text="Then VTC And take it to chat or meta." CreationDate="2013-11-14T17:29:43.263" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3351" PostId="2154" Score="2" Text="@SimonO'Doherty _&quot;edit was invalid IMHO&quot;_ -- that **IMHO** is a road to rollback wars. _If_ you are positive, _if_ you believe you can prove that, roll it back (no more than once). If there's IMHO, do something else - comments, chat, meta, flag - something, anything else" CreationDate="2013-11-14T20:19:31.447" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3361" PostId="2154" Score="1" Text="@Simon, I'm not taking the rollback personally. This ain't about me, it's about helping the folks who come here with questions get answers, and helping people in the future who have a similar issue and can be helped by the answers we provide. A closed question with no answers won't serve either of those purposes. That is why I am confused by your stance and want to understand what the objection is. That way we, as a community, can find a way to improve the quality of the site." CreationDate="2013-11-15T01:59:27.713" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3382" PostId="2156" Score="1" Text="When I read the question, my sense was it was more about the hostility aspect, than about the accent barrier. Perhaps I was wrong? It's hard to tell." CreationDate="2013-11-15T14:12:10.117" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3387" PostId="2156" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Just the both of us who read it that way, I guess :) Based on the answers here, I have made some changes for greater general use of that question." CreationDate="2013-11-15T17:42:12.587" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3352" PostId="2157" Score="0" Text="How are the issues same ? One talks purely about dealing with accents and the other talks about hostility in interviews. I so wish to realize it, but I somehow don't see what most members around are seeing so clearly. If providing clarification seems argument to you, well, who can do anything about it. I hope you dont take this comment as an argument, I am merely providing clarification" CreationDate="2013-11-14T20:47:42.890" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3353" PostId="2157" Score="0" Text="+1: Bingo! Winner winner chicken dinner." CreationDate="2013-11-14T20:57:03.003" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3383" PostId="2157" Score="1" Text="To me, the first question was about accents, the second question was about hostility. I didn't see them as the same. Perhaps it was just me." CreationDate="2013-11-15T14:14:06.763" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3354" PostId="2158" Score="0" Text="+1: `You could have removed the specific references that made everyone but you realize that the problem was that you were misunderstanding the interviewer due to his accent... Here is a way you could have phrased your question...` Great answer." CreationDate="2013-11-14T21:23:30.733" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3356" PostId="2158" Score="0" Text="Ahh. The shades of ranting! Never ask a question while one is still grouching. Very nice answer. I do think that the question you phrased still talks about how a hostile interview can be saved instead of merely breaking the accent barrier" CreationDate="2013-11-14T21:30:32.527" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3357" PostId="2158" Score="0" Text="@happybuddha - Which leads you to the second half of my answer.  If you want edit your original question and see if it gets reopened" CreationDate="2013-11-14T21:31:44.460" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3360" PostId="2158" Score="0" Text="@happybuddha: If you accepted Chad's proposed revision in kind, I'd happily vote to reopen." CreationDate="2013-11-15T00:04:52.997" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3386" PostId="2158" Score="0" Text="@Chad, I have used your suggestion and edited my question. Though yours is a fantastic answer, this time jmac's answer really cleared my thought process." CreationDate="2013-11-15T17:40:53.737" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3385" PostId="2159" Score="0" Text="IMO, this is your first positive and a really constructive answer to my question which has made me see the mistakes I made. Thank you." CreationDate="2013-11-15T17:40:00.043" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3366" PostId="2161" Score="3" Text="Comments are temporary and should not be relied on to be permanent. Having said that though, it probably shouldn't have been deleted." CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:08:43.123" UserDisplayName="Qantas 94 Heavy" />
  <row Id="3367" PostId="2161" Score="8" Text="If the comment was so important it should've been left as an answer. Comments are second-class citizens on StackExchange." CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:08:50.717" UserId="357" />
  <row Id="3368" PostId="2161" Score="2" Text="JonW, Qantas - since when are comments &quot;temporary&quot; or &quot;second class&quot;? Sorry sounds too subjective (even nonsensely to me). Any FAQ support?" CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:17:35.657" UserDisplayName="Tomas" />
  <row Id="3369" PostId="2161" Score="8" Text="http://meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=%22second+class+citizens%22 @Tomas Or, [from the comments FAQ](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/19756/how-do-comments-work) *&quot;Comments are temporary &quot;Post-It&quot; notes left on a question or answer. You should not expect them to be around forever&quot;*" CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:18:26.447" UserId="12332" />
  <row Id="3370" PostId="2161" Score="2" Text="consider flagging your question using custom flag and appropriate explanation asking to [undelete comment](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/170489/165773 &quot;moderators can undelete unless author removed comment themselves&quot;) in flag message" CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:47:47.197" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3453" PostId="2161" Score="0" Text="If comments &quot;are temporary and should not be relied on to be permanent&quot;, if you think your comments were useful for the readers of this question then why why writing them as a comment?" CreationDate="2013-11-26T17:48:37.257" UserId="9218" />
  <row Id="3372" PostId="2162" Score="1" Text="`Even moderators are human` would be more appropriate." CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:12:42.470" UserId="10352" />
  <row Id="3373" PostId="2162" Score="6" Text="@devnull though not necessarily correct." CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:13:22.173" UserId="12332" />
  <row Id="3374" PostId="2162" Score="1" Text="@Bart Very few things in the world are definite." CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:14:22.227" UserId="10352" />
  <row Id="3375" PostId="2162" Score="0" Text="@devnull: I think he refers to the community user that is a moderator and a robot." CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:15:33.213" UserDisplayName="juergen d" />
  <row Id="3376" PostId="2162" Score="0" Text="@juergend Oh! Then I should've rather said: `Even bots are moderators`." CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:16:41.140" UserId="10352" />
  <row Id="3377" PostId="2162" Score="3" Text="@juergend And Bill is a Lizard of course." CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:17:37.613" UserId="12332" />
  <row Id="3378" PostId="2162" Score="2" Text="@juergend I wish mods could write a custom message while declining flags rather than `a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it`!" CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:22:28.353" UserId="10352" />
  <row Id="3379" PostId="2162" Score="0" Text="@devnull: I am not a moderator but I think they can write custom messages. They just use snippets often. I stand to be corrected." CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:25:09.007" UserDisplayName="juergen d" />
  <row Id="3380" PostId="2162" Score="1" Text="@juergend I'm not suggesting that you're wrong, but it seems that they never use the custom message in that event.  I've never seen one (and yes, have quite a few _declined_ flags too!)." CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:27:08.233" UserId="10352" />
  <row Id="3381" PostId="2162" Score="2" Text="They can on a rejected flag afaik. And Shog recently did so on a helpful flag, causing all sorts of [&quot;fun&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/202983/is-this-really-the-appropriate-response-to-a-helpful-flag). But he's not a &quot;regular&quot; moderator." CreationDate="2013-11-15T11:27:43.470" UserId="12332" />
  <row Id="3433" PostId="2164" Score="1" Text="jmort, your answer is a long justification but I actually don't see a single argument for deleting a relevant comment. I can only agree to what other user on META said, *&quot;If moderators routinely react to flags by indiscriminately deleting all of them, then we have a problem. That wasn't my understanding of how comment cleanup works.&quot;*" CreationDate="2013-11-23T14:10:14.743" UserId="6022" />
  <row Id="3434" PostId="2164" Score="1" Text="Answers just simply don't belong in comments. They discourage *real answers* from being posted in the answers section when others come by and see such comments. An example of a *relevant* comment would be one that helps you improve your post or one that seeks clarification because it's unclear. With that said, I've restored the comment, but please understand that comments on Workplace SE are generally treated as temporary, and there's no guarantee it won't be removed again in the future by myself or another moderator. Hope this helps clarify, and sorry about your colleague's Dad." CreationDate="2013-11-23T18:39:05.393" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3435" PostId="2164" Score="0" Text="Thanks jmort for your empathy and undeletion of the comment. It was frustrating for me especially around this question. You are correct though that it should have been an answer; but in that case you, as a moderator, could consider converting it to answer instead of deleting it. This particular comment has been very useful to me." CreationDate="2013-11-23T18:42:48.950" UserId="6022" />
  <row Id="3436" PostId="2164" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately, I can't convert comments to answers. But I edited it into [Joe's answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/16695/98) so it's preserved, just in case. Anyway, I understand your frustration and hope you'll continue to participate now that you understand more about how we view comments. If you ever do see a good comment that you think should be an answer, please feel free to `@ping` those folks to encourage them to do so. :)" CreationDate="2013-11-23T18:53:26.840" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3392" PostId="2165" Score="1" Text="Great, someone else found my comment from last year so I didn't even have to look it up! :)" CreationDate="2013-11-19T13:33:14.417" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3393" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="I thought we had a no fun policy here :p" CreationDate="2013-11-19T14:36:37.043" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3395" PostId="2165" Score="1" Text="And if you *do* hate hats, or fun, you can say so and the site won't trouble you with having to look at fun hats." CreationDate="2013-11-19T15:25:54.937" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3413" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="Flag as &quot;Let's do this&quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-20T16:04:59.523" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3421" PostId="2165" Score="0" Text="Is the goal of &quot;hats&quot; something other than &quot;let's have fun by doing something goofy&quot;? I have to agree with some of the sentiment expressed here that workplace doesn't permit much in the way of fun, so it would seem odd that for a few weeks we would basically say &quot;fun is good&quot;, and then change back to &quot;fun is not allowed&quot;. But perhaps there's another reason behind this?" CreationDate="2013-11-21T12:01:40.517" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3508" PostId="2165" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere - It's not that we hate fun. It's just that the fun can't be the main goal of a question or an answer; otherwise, it's just noise that prevents us from helping people. Please see [this MSO post](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/152483/how-do-the-stack-overflow-community-view-humorhumour-in-questions-answers-com/152507#152507) for a more in-depth answer on how we should approach humor. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-11-30T21:22:58.083" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3396" PostId="2167" Score="2" Text="Do downvotes mean we don't like hats? Or is this a double negative, meaning a downvote means we like hats?" CreationDate="2013-11-19T17:35:46.503" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3397" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 Updated" CreationDate="2013-11-19T17:53:33.200" UserId="716" />
  <row Id="3398" PostId="2167" Score="5" Text="Part of me feels like casting a delete vote for this just to show how much I *do* want hats ;)" CreationDate="2013-11-19T23:47:06.717" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3399" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="Good thing that Meta doesn't care much about downvoting with rep ;-)" CreationDate="2013-11-19T23:54:23.653" UserId="716" />
  <row Id="3409" PostId="2167" Score="1" Text="I am torn I really like hats... but we hate fun here at SE.  So if we get hats no one should be allowed to have fun with them." CreationDate="2013-11-20T15:05:11.743" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3616" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="I am confused with this, seeing this answer now downvoted." CreationDate="2013-12-18T18:48:19.993" UserId="12796" />
  <row Id="3617" PostId="2167" Score="0" Text="Oh well... Like I said above though, only the upvotes would be counted for determining if a site wants hats" CreationDate="2013-12-18T18:50:06.643" UserId="716" />
  <row Id="3400" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [Aggressive Edits](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2153/aggressive-edits)" CreationDate="2013-11-20T01:20:12.360" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3405" PostId="2168" Score="1" Text="FWIW, asker of &quot;How should I adjust...&quot; seem to have similar problem understanding [edits at Programmers](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/218869/is-explicit-else-needed-in-initialisers#comment434272_218869): &quot;I get downvote because other people can't read code/change the question with faulty revisions.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-20T07:29:25.303" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3408" PostId="2168" Score="1" Text="@gnat: Great point. And that's why I don't think we should be *too* concerned about this &quot;problem&quot;." CreationDate="2013-11-20T14:38:20.493" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3418" PostId="2168" Score="1" Text="Great points. Some people just won't get it no matter what. So, our goal here isn't to completely rewrite the book on editing but to instead slightly tweak our approach to it to possibly reduce conflict in areas where it *can* be reduced. Unfortunately, not everyone will get this concept, and that's fine. I'm just hoping to reach the folks we can reach. Hope this helps clarify. :)" CreationDate="2013-11-21T00:50:28.993" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3430" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="If an 'aggressive'/'heroic'/substiantial edit changes the meaning or context of a question so much that the OP is angry or offended by it, is it maybe worth rolling back that edit and instead 'forking' the question, i.e. asking a new question that represents the re-worded, re-focussed answer and maybe linking it to the current question?" CreationDate="2013-11-22T15:21:06.790" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3431" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@CMW - Unfortunately, that could create a lot more noise as well as work for the asker. If we have to go *that* far, it might be a sign we're doing too much. I'm happy with the editing in general. They key takeaway is communication: We should make our intentions known in the comments so askers know they're still in control." CreationDate="2013-11-22T16:05:26.520" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3432" PostId="2168" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I see how that could get out of hand. My understanding is that these cases that result in conflicts are pretty rare themselves, so I assumed it would not become too much." CreationDate="2013-11-22T16:09:25.707" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3437" PostId="2168" Score="1" Text="@Jim G Is it permissible to have only one issue in your view? If for any reason, one has two issue in two forums, you dismiss it as the asker's fault? What kind of consideration is that? Please focus on the merit of each issue.The fundamental difference between the issues on two forums is the question on SO is purely technical and the edit (editor added another code example) made my question (and the code) logically invalid and &#xA;diverted and depleted the limited amount of attention of people one can get.The question here on WP is open one, and belongs to different domain,ie. social relations." CreationDate="2013-11-23T22:22:32.577" UserId="12329" />
  <row Id="3414" PostId="2169" Score="2" Text="This! Ask the question writer before drastic edits." CreationDate="2013-11-20T19:26:01.387" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3475" PostId="2169" Score="2" Text="The more I read this, the more I disagree. Editing is a fundamental component of the SE sites, and we state in our [about] page: *&quot;if you see questions or answers that can be improved, you can edit them.&quot;* Ignoring our guidelines and refusing to allow edits is not appropriate. If a new user is uncomfortable with people editing what they contribute, this may not be the site for them. And that's okay. But we shouldn't require consent before improving site quality." CreationDate="2013-11-28T14:15:19.383" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3514" PostId="2169" Score="3" Text="I have to disagree with asking the OP first, but I fully support that heroic edits aren't always best, and a comment left saying something along the lines of *&quot;Hi OP, I've made an edit to your question because abc. If I've changed it too much, please feel free to edit it further or rollback the changes&quot;* to explain the edit and give them the option of editing or rolling back is a great idea" CreationDate="2013-12-04T22:24:15.290" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="3402" PostId="2170" Score="1" Text="A down vote ? Care to explain down voter ?" CreationDate="2013-11-20T02:13:02.760" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3441" PostId="2170" Score="0" Text="bad questions get down votes." CreationDate="2013-11-25T17:37:13.237" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3442" PostId="2170" Score="0" Text="@Chad. Although I would like to thank you for your insight, can you define bad questions? From my understanding of the tool tip on the down voting button, this particular question is clear, is useful and will help me become a better member." CreationDate="2013-11-25T17:53:39.600" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3443" PostId="2170" Score="0" Text="I Disagree with you." CreationDate="2013-11-25T17:55:12.950" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3401" PostId="2171" Score="0" Text="So is *that* asking for legal advice ? I can *read* the contract. It is written in English. There is no mention of anything remotely related to royalties." CreationDate="2013-11-20T02:11:19.707" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3444" PostId="2171" Score="0" Text="When you asked what you should do that was the legal advice question." CreationDate="2013-11-25T21:11:18.960" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3403" PostId="2172" Score="2" Text="From my perspective, I got the impression rollbacks can lead to conflicts. If instead of rolling back, as an asker, how would you feel if someone were to make edits and then *invite you*, the asker, to expand on that and build on those improvements instead? It seems this would help make editors feel they contributed something while also letting the askers focus on tweaking the things they felt were most important." CreationDate="2013-11-20T02:14:57.690" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3410" PostId="2172" Score="0" Text="I would feel very good about this. Although I have my doubts about the time window wherein significant changes have been done to the question - and the time exhausted between when you invite the asker and when the asker is available to expand on those changes. This is a big window where in the question may get flagged down/get answers to a question that was never *really* asked." CreationDate="2013-11-20T15:07:26.890" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3404" PostId="2173" Score="1" Text="@Downvoter, mind explaining what about what I said strikes you wrong?" CreationDate="2013-11-20T06:15:15.747" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3513" PostId="2173" Score="2" Text="+1 for comments. Explaining why you made the edit so they learn what to do or not do, and stating that they are free to edit further or rollback if they wish will usually diffuse any rage the OP feels over someone changing their question. The only thing I would want to add here is try and be sure that any edit you make will result in the OP getting the information they need to solve their problem. We don't really want to be editing posts in ways that they become no longer useful to the OP." CreationDate="2013-12-04T22:19:49.910" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="3411" PostId="2174" Score="0" Text="Pretty close. The real question is, what can one do in order to be better prepared to handle such a situation in the future." CreationDate="2013-11-20T15:13:30.687" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3412" PostId="2174" Score="0" Text="Also, would you think this is a peek on how casually members will vote to close a question without really understanding what the question is asking ?" CreationDate="2013-11-20T15:14:00.143" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3416" PostId="2174" Score="2" Text="The burden of making a question clear to the point where people can at least make a reasonable assumption of the problem is on the asker -- barring a minimal amount of clarity, there is no choice but to close the question since it can't be edited by any of us, and leaving it open won't make it any clearer. I also don't understand how you can better prepare yourself for friends making jokes? I think you are seeing a problem that nobody else is seeing, and unless you can have people understand your problem, nobody can help fix it." CreationDate="2013-11-20T23:30:03.297" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3419" PostId="2174" Score="3" Text="@happybuddha: Also, you have to consider that if there's one Workplace.SE member who theoretically would be interested in rehabilitating a question back to a constructive form, it would be jmac. So if even he can't do this, then nobody can." CreationDate="2013-11-21T01:01:45.487" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3423" PostId="2174" Score="0" Text="@jmac, I was talking about being better prepared for such situations in the future. The situation isn't friends making jokes, but previous employers talking about royalty checks in a humorous way. I can completely understand, if you don't understand the question at all." CreationDate="2013-11-21T15:51:48.513" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3424" PostId="2174" Score="0" Text="@JimG. Going by your recent understanding of what asking legal advice is, I was beginning to think I was somehow, in a strange way, confusing you. But hey, thanks for the insight, jmac sure is an editing hero - no doubt about it." CreationDate="2013-11-21T15:54:08.057" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3415" PostId="2177" Score="3" Text="Participation (including both displaying your own hat and seeing other users' hats) is entirely optional." CreationDate="2013-11-20T21:32:39.057" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3417" PostId="2177" Score="0" Text="[Pretty sure the Dalai Lama would be all for hats](https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=dalai+lama+hat). Cowboy hats. Lama hats. Patriots baseball caps. The man is clearly all for hats." CreationDate="2013-11-21T00:19:32.760" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3422" PostId="2177" Score="0" Text="@jmac I just watched 10 questions for D.L. yesterday. What an interesting man he is. Am sure he would also throw hats into the crowd and infect everyone with his smile and humor :)" CreationDate="2013-11-21T15:49:15.780" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3426" PostId="2177" Score="0" Text="Do you realize your icon is the [Fat Monk](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budai) (not a Happy Siddhartha Gautama (commonly known as The Buddha))?" CreationDate="2013-11-21T20:29:27.230" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="3427" PostId="2177" Score="0" Text="@GreenMatt Yes sir. Matter of fact, its the laughing buddha. But I just gave it a spin of my own understanding of Buddhist philosophy. Hope you dont mind :) .. oh btw. Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha, was the preacher of the middle path. It is said he was neither happy nor sad. He was just aware. So there *really* is no happy Gautama Buddha" CreationDate="2013-11-21T20:44:38.833" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3428" PostId="2177" Score="0" Text="@Jim Got it. I thought you were polling for an opinion." CreationDate="2013-11-21T20:47:48.710" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3429" PostId="2177" Score="0" Text="@happybuddha I am; just wanted to provide some clarification." CreationDate="2013-11-21T21:39:22.657" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3425" PostId="2179" Score="1" Text="*Even if it was answered before being marked as duplicate* this is always the case; once a question is closed (or put on hold), no new answers can be added." CreationDate="2013-11-21T17:50:57.810" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3438" PostId="2182" Score="1" Text="I thought about doing that, but I thought it would just be easier to edit yours, especially since yours was the accepted answer. If it's a problem, I could open it and paste it in as a community wiki answer. I can do that if you *really* don't want that in your answer, just let me know. :D  But just so everyone is on the same page, that answer would be associated to me, not TheSilverBullet. I can't post as another user." CreationDate="2013-11-24T03:40:10.310" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3439" PostId="2182" Score="0" Text="It's not a problem for me. It just seems to make for a disjoint accepted answer. If this best meets the SEO needs of workplace.stackexchange, so be it. (Edit) Not sure why, but apparently some folks decided to delete the question. So I suppose your work is moot anyway." CreationDate="2013-11-24T23:20:10.797" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3448" PostId="2183" Score="2" Text="Hey user, I think the close issue can be covered in the linked question in Jim's comment. For the comment about telling people they can quit, [we hold 'quit your job' answers to a much higher standard](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1692/is-quit-your-job-an-acceptable-answer?lq=1) and generally discourage them. *&quot;On Hold&quot;* just means the question needs to be improved a bit and then will be reopened. You can contribute with [edits of yours own](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2168/how-should-we-adjust-our-approach-to-editing-to-minimize-conflicts)" CreationDate="2013-11-26T02:02:45.610" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3451" PostId="2187" Score="3" Text="I think the key word in that close reason is &quot;primarily&quot;.  Many answers involve opinions and may even be opinion-based, but a question is only useful if it can attract *supported, reasoned answers* -- which is more than just some random guy on the internet's opinion." CreationDate="2013-11-26T17:05:59.430" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3452" PostId="2187" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio - The point of SE is that we have experts, and not just some random guy on the internet to answer questions.  That some random guy could answer with a bad answer is not supposed to preclude the questions from being asked.  It is the nature of this SE that basically all of the questions that are asked here will be opinion based.  I think we need to change the close reason to make it easier to identify the bad questions and harder to close the good subjective questions." CreationDate="2013-11-26T17:10:51.160" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3455" PostId="2187" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio: `The point of SE is that we have experts.` I'm afraid Chad is right. Only experts should answer questions on TWP. Everyone else should get off of the field." CreationDate="2013-11-27T03:43:03.183" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3456" PostId="2187" Score="1" Text="The idea of 'expert' here is rather peculiar. We could have someone who is stuck with an issue after working for a total of two weeks, and someone who solved it and has therefore managed to keep their job for a month and a half is the 'expert'.  Expertise is closely coupled to circumstances.  HR people are not going to tell you how to schedule 'fairness' in making fresh pots of coffee in the company kitchen - this depends on all kinds of stuff. Similarly, someone from India asking a question about employment contracts is out of luck with a North American audience." CreationDate="2013-11-27T07:23:16.760" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3460" PostId="2187" Score="3" Text="I agree. Due to the nature of Workplace, this close reason is clearly confusing to voters and questioners alike." CreationDate="2013-11-27T14:45:27.593" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3449" PostId="2188" Score="0" Text="+1: Great answer. Thanks." CreationDate="2013-11-26T12:53:51.997" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3450" PostId="2188" Score="1" Text="The problem is questions that make you think and do not have an easy answer seem to be the ones that are more likely to attract close votes and not get reopened.  I do not want to see this site become a waste land of easy my job sucks am I right questions that seem to be pervading the site these days." CreationDate="2013-11-26T16:10:54.170" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3454" PostId="2188" Score="1" Text="@Chad, could you give some more concrete examples? I don't necessarily disagree, but the questions I perused while tallying the close reason numbers were almost universally bad questions. I've added a dump to the post so you can browse each individually." CreationDate="2013-11-26T23:32:23.043" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3458" PostId="2188" Score="0" Text="@jmac [this one](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/12813/2322) seems a bit silly to have &quot;primarily opinion based&quot; as a close reason ;)" CreationDate="2013-11-27T14:00:45.663" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3459" PostId="2188" Score="0" Text="&quot;its answers are much less factual than most other sites… and yet **it’s still successful.**&quot; I guess that can be interpreted as &quot;don't change anything - keep on doing what you are doing&quot;. The whole opinion-based thing confuses me. I try to read the questions and apply that logic - I see very, very few questions here which don't have primarily opinion-based answers. Although others will do what they choose, I'm probably going to stop using that reason entirely myself." CreationDate="2013-11-27T14:43:40.633" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3461" PostId="2188" Score="0" Text="@Joe, I read (heard?) 'it's still successful' as, *&quot;Despite being a den of evil opinion, lots of people still seem to go there.&quot;* Different strokes, and all that." CreationDate="2013-11-27T14:45:39.767" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3462" PostId="2188" Score="0" Text="@jmac - LOL! Den of Evil makes it sound more fun that it really is, IMHO. I guess it all depends on how you define &quot;success&quot;. As in almost everything here, &quot;it depends...&quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-27T14:47:11.867" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3464" PostId="2188" Score="0" Text="Most of those closed for Opinion based that need to be closed should probably be off topic.  The rest are either wrongly closed imo or fit some other close category.  Opinion based here has become &quot;I am to lazy to think about what the real problem with the question is.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-11-27T14:51:21.073" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3485" PostId="2189" Score="0" Text="Looks from the history as if it was largely due to it having such a poor title, rather than the content of the actual question" CreationDate="2013-11-29T00:33:38.370" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="3463" PostId="2191" Score="0" Text="I don't know about &quot;most people&quot; (can Workplace support a poll question about that?). I do know it super confuses me." CreationDate="2013-11-27T14:47:59.603" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3465" PostId="2191" Score="0" Text="I think its more number 4 that Opinion based is the easy choice so people do not have to think about the question... but i guess we can give them the benefit of the doubt about being confused." CreationDate="2013-11-27T14:54:09.197" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3467" PostId="2191" Score="0" Text="All the choices are similarly easy" CreationDate="2013-11-27T19:31:05.320" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3478" PostId="2191" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere - I just mean its the easy choice because everything fits in that bucket.  You do not have to think about is one of the other close reasons more appropriate." CreationDate="2013-11-28T17:57:15.700" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3499" PostId="2191" Score="1" Text="@Chad - good point. I agree that due to the nature of workplace.stackexchange, virtually every answer is &quot;Primarily Opinion Based&quot;. I think it's confusing to people to try and conjure up a reason why any particular answer here *isn't* primarily opinion based." CreationDate="2013-11-29T11:32:11.333" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3500" PostId="2191" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere that's exactly why I dislike the close reason. It's more &quot;oh I don't like this question guess this one is more opinion based&quot; rather than anything meaningful." CreationDate="2013-11-29T15:45:08.087" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3501" PostId="2191" Score="0" Text="If I had to guess, I'd say that most voters simply follow the vote of whoever started. No more thought than that." CreationDate="2013-11-29T16:28:16.930" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3502" PostId="2191" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere that's probably true too..." CreationDate="2013-11-29T16:28:59.177" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3469" PostId="2192" Score="0" Text="If the questions should be closed for a different reason, then I don't see that much of an issue (the question should have been closed, and all the reason that it ends up as meant is that it was the most voted for reason, not the sole reason). For the ones that are wrongly closed, cast a reopen vote, I know that several of us regularly review the queue. For reference, I agreed with about 20% of the 'wrongly closed' reasons on there, and I think others could be saved with an edit, but I don't see any huge mistakes on there." CreationDate="2013-11-27T23:45:28.380" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3477" PostId="2192" Score="1" Text="My point is the the close for opinion is being misused alot!  Not that all the questions are savable.  Misusing the close reason makes it hard to get the questions edited well and reopened" CreationDate="2013-11-28T17:51:32.670" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3468" PostId="2193" Score="1" Text="I think that voting to close really quickly will drive new users away far more quickly than if we try to save it before it gets closed. Also, many questions get answers prior to being closed, making it a wee bit more difficult to edit them." CreationDate="2013-11-27T23:36:11.237" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3479" PostId="2193" Score="2" Text="@jmac - If we can save them with a simple edit that is one thing.  If it takes a heroic edit, that gets lots of answers, it is also harder to fix it so the OP is happy with the question." CreationDate="2013-11-28T18:12:01.460" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3486" PostId="2193" Score="1" Text="@jmac That may have been true at one point in time, but the change in language to on hold does help. As does people offering improvement suggestions to askers." CreationDate="2013-11-29T00:35:24.680" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3487" PostId="2193" Score="0" Text="don't get me wrong @jmort -- I don't think we should leave bad questions open for the sake of editing, I just don't think that editing prior to something being closed is necessarily a bad thing. I would look up stats, but my feeling is that there are usually 6-8 hours between a question being asked and put on hold, which means the asker is less likely to be around than editing after a quick 3 close/downvotes. I still suggest asking the poster to fix it, but if there is no action for several hours, I don't see harm in editing prior to close." CreationDate="2013-11-29T01:12:57.263" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3471" PostId="2194" Score="1" Text="I'm a bit confused Meredith, are we talking about the same question? The only bit of the question referring to the software industry was, *&quot;I am a female IT dev, mostly php experience and I have just one year of professional dev experience.&quot;* It isn't a skills question, it is a question about human relations. Do you really think this question somehow wouldn't apply to any predominately male profession/male office with similar colleagues? I also fail to see any comment about moving this to programmers... Could you explain your reasoning a bit more please?" CreationDate="2013-11-28T09:39:22.977" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3472" PostId="2194" Score="0" Text="@jmac - we have a whole list of questions that are quoted as examples. The one I'm referring to right now is one that has just had a proposed edit.  That edit removes the 'programming' specific details.  This isn't necessarily 'your' edit - it's an edit one of the moderators that is making that 'goes too far'." CreationDate="2013-11-28T09:53:16.000" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3473" PostId="2194" Score="1" Text="Ah, I see, you may want to post it in [this meta post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2168/how-should-we-adjust-our-approach-to-editing-to-minimize-conflicts) instead with a link to the question, since that one was made in response to this to discuss how to prevent going too far." CreationDate="2013-11-28T11:33:04.720" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3474" PostId="2195" Score="2" Text="Apologies, but now I'm even more confused. The question you are pointing to doesn't have anything technical stripped out, still is 100% about the software industry, and isn't generic at all. The title change is cosmetic, and not an aggressive edit in the slightest. What exactly is your concern with that edit?" CreationDate="2013-11-28T14:12:01.453" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3476" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="Do those down-voters participate in meta?" CreationDate="2013-11-28T16:55:51.743" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3480" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="@CMW - They show up all over the place discussing other questions in meta." CreationDate="2013-11-28T18:37:23.660" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3483" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="I don't know who it was that voted down, that's why I was wondering." CreationDate="2013-11-28T19:19:59.193" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3484" PostId="2196" Score="1" Text="I didn't know it was possible for anyone to see who voted on an answer??" CreationDate="2013-11-29T00:32:27.160" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="3488" PostId="2196" Score="8" Text="Nobody knows who voted down. I don't even know if jmort has access to that info as the site moderator. Also, Meredith, the site is community-owned and 'moderators' aren't the ones doing the majority of voting, but rather us (the community). Unlike forums, SE is about community management and collaboration." CreationDate="2013-11-29T01:20:08.027" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3507" PostId="2196" Score="0" Text="@jmac All moderators see in regards to voting is suspicious voting patterns, and only after certain thresholds. So, for example, if I go and downvote 50% of your posts, the mods will know (but they won't know which posts I've downvoted)." CreationDate="2013-11-30T20:21:21.463" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3481" PostId="2198" Score="0" Text="I was adding a comment here and realized I should edit the answer in the original post, which I have done. You might see the answer you were looking for now.  The entire point of my response is that one employee's temporary distraction should not paralyze the organization or the department. The organization needs restructuring if that kind of situation can cause any harm." CreationDate="2013-11-28T19:03:30.917" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3482" PostId="2198" Score="0" Text="'No references or citations' - While these are nice (and with some work I can find them), not all answers are going to have gobs of links pointing to third party validations. Anyone reading the post knows whether the cultural assumptions apply to them. Laying these out explains how (and possibly why) things are different in various parts of the world, and what might drive cultural shifts.  Someone can be on the leading or trailing edge of those shifts, and not realize their situation unless someone brings it up 'out of the blue'." CreationDate="2013-11-28T19:15:03.380" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3490" PostId="2198" Score="1" Text="@MeredithPoor: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1894/437" CreationDate="2013-11-29T02:21:04.947" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3494" PostId="2198" Score="2" Text="You asked why you got down votes I explained.  We have a back it up principle.  If you do not like it then you should probably find somewhere else to post.  We expect quality answers, and a quality answer of the size you like to post is going to have good solid references to all claims of fact.  If you continue to ignore this then you will continue to get downvotes." CreationDate="2013-11-29T04:18:16.437" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3503" PostId="2198" Score="0" Text="@Chad: FWIW - I agree with paragraphs 1, 2, &amp; 3; but disagree with paragraph 4. If you remove it, ping me, and I'll gladly upvote this answer." CreationDate="2013-11-29T16:37:18.253" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3506" PostId="2198" Score="3" Text="@JimG. I have no intention of removing it because it is the truth about SE.  It is not about solving the specific problem but building a resource to be helpful to others in the future.   Any answer that is only applicable to the specific user is not worth having on the site." CreationDate="2013-11-30T03:37:21.590" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3489" PostId="2200" Score="0" Text="I am in complete agreement on the idea that these answers appear from search engine queries - I've been a user of Stack Overflow for years.  Furthermore, I've been frustrated sometimes with 'bad answers' or 'no answers' on Stack Overflow, I recall having to search three or four times before I got something helpful. Sometimes search results come through the answers, not the questions. In such circumstances people 'trip over' your site looking for something else.  Variety is a favorable attribute in this circumstance." CreationDate="2013-11-29T02:14:03.717" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3491" PostId="2200" Score="0" Text="This phrase: 'From the senior manager's perspective, two egos' is top ranked on Google. I had to try about four phrases that one might try searching on to find one that shows up on the first page.  While this is a bit of a stretch, it shows that someone could be phrasing a search in these terms and land on this page." CreationDate="2013-11-29T02:32:03.713" UserId="9517" />
  <row Id="3492" PostId="2200" Score="0" Text="We are a beta site with a small number of questions and few outside links so far. Our results will not pop up to the top when there are so many blogs and sites devoted to discussing workplace issues at the moment. However, in three years, if we create quality content that people link to, we will start moving up in that respect. For instance, [my highest voted question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/10006/) has over 50k views in the 9 months since it was posted. Something is drawing people to it (it is in the top 5 views for questions). That will happen more with time." CreationDate="2013-11-29T03:57:40.553" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3493" PostId="2201" Score="0" Text="It's not that I'm stuck, I just want a good answer - A frame work for writing these emails." CreationDate="2013-11-29T04:05:31.223" UserDisplayName="user10911" />
  <row Id="3495" PostId="2201" Score="1" Text="Let me be a bit more direct. Why didn't you just Google this? Don't take that question the wrong way. the reason I ask is because if you can tell us why something like this http://nptweeklytrancemission.wordpress.com/2012/05/26/5-keys-to-writing-more-persuasive-emails/ doesn't answer your question, it will help make things more clear as to why you need more advanced help than what Google already provides." CreationDate="2013-11-29T06:39:56.053" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3496" PostId="2201" Score="0" Text="Not saying this is the sole reason why the community put your question on hold, it's just something I saw that *may* help clarify. I'll post this link to this meta discussion under your post on the main site to see if anyone else can help provide more guidance. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2013-11-29T06:40:51.573" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3497" PostId="2201" Score="0" Text="Another thing you could do to help clarify is maybe tell us about your corporate culture. Why do you feel like your input would be taken harshly? It actually sounds like you work in a very open-minded organization, which makes it difficult to understand why you're concerned about this. Have you upset someone with previous emails perhaps? Have your manager talked to you about your approach in emails? Details like this may be helpful to understand why this is a problem. :)" CreationDate="2013-11-29T06:46:33.537" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3498" PostId="2201" Score="0" Text="Would it be useful to turn the answers to this question into a collection of differnt formats for suggesting improvements for the workplace, maybe along with some details on what the individual formats focus on?" CreationDate="2013-11-29T09:28:56.163" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3509" PostId="2201" Score="0" Text="@CMW - If there was reasoning in the answers beyond &quot;this is my favorite format&quot; or &quot;try this&quot; -- if there's some sort of evidence to back up an example, it could work. But, the emphasis should definitely be on the *why* and *how*." CreationDate="2013-12-01T03:15:57.573" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3510" PostId="2201" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 Yeah, that's exactly what I thought of" CreationDate="2013-12-01T12:30:42.490" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3511" PostId="2201" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 Quick note: make sure to tag people in comments if it's not their question/answer and you're asking them somthing specifically - as it doesn't show up in the inbox otherwise." CreationDate="2013-12-02T04:03:48.690" UserDisplayName="user10911" />
  <row Id="3512" PostId="2201" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - Certainly it does sound optimistic, though the (somewhat cynical, though, I'm trying not to be, hence I'm writing the email) concern is that while it's all bubbly when we have conferences, back in the day to day, the same old goes on. The reasons I'm cautious: I'm a junior, this is my first job, I was on performance management earlier in the year. See also this question: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/17024/how-long-is-reasonable-to-expect-for-a-simple-reply-to-an-email" CreationDate="2013-12-02T04:06:41.283" UserDisplayName="user10911" />
  <row Id="3505" PostId="2204" Score="0" Text="+1: 100% agree. Thanks @Chad!" CreationDate="2013-11-30T01:21:30.617" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3547" PostId="2208" Score="0" Text="As long as questions aren't obviously fake, it should be okay. Thus, there'd have to be a huge degree of seriousness to such an approach. On a site for people to find solutions about real problems they're facing, questions that aren't of a serious nature may negatively affect how the outside world views our site, making it less useful for solving problems." CreationDate="2013-12-06T03:22:29.483" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3548" PostId="2208" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I completely agree. I would think the questions you describe would fall under &quot;not a good fit for the site&quot;." CreationDate="2013-12-06T11:55:58.763" UserId="12436" />
  <row Id="3549" PostId="2209" Score="0" Text="I generally do this when I see downvoted posts with no explanation." CreationDate="2013-12-06T15:04:46.187" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3550" PostId="2209" Score="4" Text="You can [script that](http://stackapps.com/q/2116/21539), FYI." CreationDate="2013-12-06T16:35:01.517" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3551" PostId="2209" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio: Umm... That's awesome!!! Thanks, Monica!" CreationDate="2013-12-06T16:35:38.457" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3552" PostId="2209" Score="1" Text="Ok, if that addresses the need I'll put it in an answer." CreationDate="2013-12-06T16:38:36.207" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3553" PostId="2212" Score="2" Text="This question, since it's a duplicate, is a good candidate for editing, once enough time passes where we're sure the asker won't make edits. In general, closed duplicates can be edited to help attract more visitors to the site and to the canonical post. I also comment on these and suggest the asker look at the other answers and, if the problem isn't solved, edit to further differentiate from the duplicate." CreationDate="2013-12-09T04:30:29.333" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3554" PostId="2216" Score="0" Text="+1: 100% agree. I don't understand why others felt that most questions were either 'Satisfactory' or better. I'm not convinced that they read the directions." CreationDate="2013-12-09T22:51:02.333" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3555" PostId="2216" Score="3" Text="I seem to recall the last review was considerably better than this one.  I am not sure if it is because the quality of questions went down since last review or if its just a bad luck of the draw.  The cynic in me thinks it is the former but then Occams kicks in.  So its hard to say based off one review." CreationDate="2013-12-10T21:25:22.157" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3602" PostId="2216" Score="0" Text="@Chad: The batch of questions that we were asked to evaluate was indeed poor." CreationDate="2013-12-16T03:29:34.820" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3556" PostId="2217" Score="0" Text="I haven't had a chance to put a lot of thought into this yet, but the debate and disagreement in the comments makes me think the question could be &quot;primarily opinion based&quot;." CreationDate="2013-12-11T02:15:01.367" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3558" PostId="2218" Score="1" Text="I think it comes with the scope of the site. People come looking for others' opinions, experiences or advice, rather than for hard facts to base their decisions on. Is this a problem on other SEs, too?" CreationDate="2013-12-11T15:28:32.220" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3559" PostId="2218" Score="0" Text="@CMW - I imagine it is, but perhaps a larger portion of workplace questions have no clear answer?" CreationDate="2013-12-11T15:57:22.107" UserId="2196" />
  <row Id="3560" PostId="2218" Score="0" Text="+1: Are you speaking in generalities or about your specific question? http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/17283/437" CreationDate="2013-12-11T16:46:37.190" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3561" PostId="2218" Score="1" Text="possible duplicate of [High volume of questions being put On Hold or Closed - is that a problem?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2038/high-volume-of-questions-being-put-on-hold-or-closed-is-that-a-problem)" CreationDate="2013-12-11T16:47:17.037" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3562" PostId="2218" Score="0" Text="Relevant: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2042/437" CreationDate="2013-12-11T16:47:43.583" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3563" PostId="2218" Score="0" Text="Part of this stems from the culture that was established when the site began its public Beta. I fought this but now we're facing other problems. I don't know. It's a good question. I hope we can find a way." CreationDate="2013-12-11T16:49:49.093" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3564" PostId="2218" Score="2" Text="@JimG. - My question is certainly the impetus (and why my tone might be a little off), but looking at the front page made me realize that there seems to be a larger problem than me being annoyed that my question got closed. Oh, and I couldn't find that possible duplicate despite seeing it earlier... thanks for the link." CreationDate="2013-12-11T16:56:36.127" UserId="2196" />
  <row Id="3565" PostId="2218" Score="2" Text="indirectly (but _strongly_) related: [Aggressive Edits](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2153/168). There is an especially sad &quot;update&quot;, about a question that _went to nowhere_ after rollback of the salvaging edit..." CreationDate="2013-12-11T20:33:25.273" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3566" PostId="2218" Score="1" Text="I think that we should also look in to [editing the help center](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2045/on-topic-and-off-topic-sections-of-the-help-center) since that seems to have fallen off as well." CreationDate="2013-12-12T00:41:05.447" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3568" PostId="2218" Score="0" Text="Interesting perspective, Telastyn, I thought we did alright at editing and improving. Wonder if @jmac has any data on that. :)" CreationDate="2013-12-12T05:33:35.063" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3572" PostId="2218" Score="0" Text="[My thoughts](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/618/2322)" CreationDate="2013-12-12T11:59:34.270" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3573" PostId="2218" Score="0" Text="@enderland - thanks for the link, that's a good point. And while I enjoy Dear Abby sort of sites, I can see where we don't need another one. I wonder if most SE sites don't have a core question they answer. &quot;What does this mean?&quot; For the language sites, &quot;which is better?&quot; For programmers, etc." CreationDate="2013-12-12T12:18:19.220" UserId="2196" />
  <row Id="3567" PostId="2220" Score="0" Text="+1: For summarizing the state of things." CreationDate="2013-12-12T01:15:16.890" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3569" PostId="2220" Score="2" Text="_&quot;should close first&quot;_ -- [related post at MSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/161877/165773 &quot;Do you wait for edits before voting to close a question?&quot;) &quot;...fast closure here serves the primary need to make reopening easier and protect the poorly worded good question from getting bad answers.&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-12T06:57:03.737" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3570" PostId="2220" Score="0" Text="@gnat, I would agree if people actually worked on reopening some of these perfectly salvageable questions -- that isn't happening unfortunately." CreationDate="2013-12-12T06:58:48.233" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3571" PostId="2220" Score="0" Text="agree. Compared to other sites I participate (Programmers, SO, MSO) Workplace looks better at _reopening edits_, but not by a wide margin. Maybe additional effort is needed to further develop this part of site culture. Meta discussion, or [posse](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/clean-up/info), or dedicated chat room... or maybe all of this together. Per my experience, this isn't an easy thing to do, but we certainly have a better potential to succeed here, compared to other sites" CreationDate="2013-12-12T07:08:42.590" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3574" PostId="2220" Score="1" Text="@gnat, I think part of the issue is that there are lots of people who post on a throwaway account (perhaps for anonymity) and don't get a chance to respond to any comments because of a lack of notifications. Since there is no feedback, many of these posts sit closed with no edit. That's why I want people to be more aggressive with edits on non-responsive questions, but I can't make people do that. At least editing closed questions would be a marked improvement even without feedback..." CreationDate="2013-12-12T14:13:01.500" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3575" PostId="2220" Score="1" Text="&quot;I can't make people do that&quot; -- because it's difficult and needs experience. If we want to foster the _aggressive editing_ culture, we probably need more than sporadic meta comments / flashes in chat..." CreationDate="2013-12-12T14:41:03.257" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3588" PostId="2220" Score="1" Text="@gnat, I think that people are coming around. First the issues were with the aggressive edits, but without them, we have a problem with closed question volume. People want to improve the site but haven't figured out how they can do it. I'm confident that people will come back to realizing that we need to be aggressive with our edits, and everyone has to pitch in and help a bit now and again. We have lots of people with experience, we just need them to take that leap of faith in to the world of editing." CreationDate="2013-12-13T04:43:17.197" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3592" PostId="2221" Score="0" Text="I wish wikipedia stays forever, but if one day, their ads for donations goes unanswered I am told that site will be shut. Ironically, most google searches for definitions end up with answers **on** stackexchange. If you hangout enough on other stackexchange sites you will see that the answers to most common questions (which again could be easily looked up your fav search engine) most frequently show up on google searches and are highly refined by the mature community." CreationDate="2013-12-15T05:24:52.983" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3585" PostId="2223" Score="1" Text="I mostly agree, like 99.9% agree, but it's important we take a step back and ask if the term seems simple to us because of specialized knowledge, because we know what terms to put together in a search in order to come up with the results. Sometimes, finding information isn't too easy if you don't know what you're looking for. In this case, I wonder if a Google search on the terms would have answered the questions." CreationDate="2013-12-13T03:00:40.200" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3586" PostId="2223" Score="1" Text="Also, the comment is a great way to expand the question and get more details, which may likely come up in the comments anyway. Thus, we should always be nice on questions like these as they could easily be edited into shape if the asker is simply holding back." CreationDate="2013-12-13T03:01:43.297" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3587" PostId="2223" Score="2" Text="@jmort, putting that exact title in to a google search [returns a wikipedia article as the first result](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenfield_project). It says, *&quot;In many disciplines a greenfield is a project that lacks any constraints imposed by prior work. The analogy is to that of construction on greenfield land where there is no need to work within the constrains of existing buildings or infrastructure.&quot;* If that isn't clear, it's fine to ask, but then the question should be, *&quot;I know a greenfield project is X, but what I don't understand is what this means specific to Y&quot;*, etc." CreationDate="2013-12-13T04:38:54.850" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3583" PostId="2224" Score="0" Text="My title talks about ethics because we do not know the specific jurisdiction of most questions and cannot know if behavior is legal, only if it is ethical. The asker is leading in this case toward implying the behavior is illegal, confirming that assumption would be similar to legal advice. I strongly don't think it's appropriate, especially given the lack of details. No amount of qualifications will make it any better, I think that judging the ethics of situations without all the details is a very dangerous road to go down as a community." CreationDate="2013-12-13T00:06:47.697" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3582" PostId="2225" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the answer Chad. In the circumstance that they are **not** sourced though, they are very dangerous answers (in that the consequences of blindingly following what the answers say are higher than the average question not asking about malfeasance or misconduct). Should be be flagging if there are no references?" CreationDate="2013-12-13T00:02:19.603" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3584" PostId="2225" Score="1" Text="@Jmac - Yes we have a back it up policy and if it needs to be enforced.  The more of us that flag something the more likely the mods are to take action." CreationDate="2013-12-13T00:41:58.637" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3606" PostId="2225" Score="0" Text="Chad, sometimes you remind of Judge Dredd. Good answer. &quot;Back it up&quot; is really something that we should remember. I include myself on this also... :_|" CreationDate="2013-12-17T14:00:56.377" UserId="12796" />
  <row Id="3576" PostId="2226" Score="3" Text="No its not . . ." CreationDate="2013-12-12T18:23:10.413" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3578" PostId="2227" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere so down vote it if you feel that way.  That does not mean that the question should be closed.  But that is only one criteria, the others are is unclear or not useful... I would argue that the question could be useful.  But it is your vote.  There is not a &quot;Shows no research effort&quot; Close reason.  That is intentional." CreationDate="2013-12-12T18:32:26.880" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3593" PostId="2228" Score="5" Text="Maybe my bias is bulging, but I didn't think this was an unanswerable question.  Your assessment of the question presumes that it is unanswerable in an objective way.  I know that somewhere in Greenwich, England in the same facility that operates the Atomic Clock is the authoritative volume on Best Practices and Procedures for giving Employment Resignations.  Do's and Don'ts that mere commoners like myself are not privy to without expert guidance :)" CreationDate="2013-12-15T20:17:26.070" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="3595" PostId="2228" Score="1" Text="Should I be upvoted if I agree with you that the question should be closed?  Or, should I be upvoted if I disagree?  I think I know your bias on this question, and therefore the correct answer, but I wanted to clarify before putting my $0.02 in." CreationDate="2013-12-15T23:23:55.050" UserId="12635" />
  <row Id="3596" PostId="2228" Score="0" Text="@Chris Lively: It's perfectly acceptable to ask a question loaded with a point of view on Meta. No points are awarded on this Meta, it's all about influencing the community." CreationDate="2013-12-15T23:43:05.397" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3598" PostId="2228" Score="1" Text="@JimG: I know how meta works .. I've been on SO since the original beta.  ;).  The purpose of my comment, which appears to have been missed, was to highlight the irony of your question.  By asking what you did, your position is obvious: you don't think those questions belong although you want community confirmation of your thoughts prior to taking action.  maple_shaft's question is obviously one in which he *hopes* others feel like him, again, prior to taking action.  However, as Joe has pointed out, those type of questions are actually the most likely type to appear on TW." CreationDate="2013-12-16T00:09:12.070" UserId="12635" />
  <row Id="3599" PostId="2228" Score="0" Text="@ChrisLively: There's no irony whatsoever. Guilty as charged. Most Meta questions *are* in fact loaded with a point of view. Are you saying otherwise?" CreationDate="2013-12-16T00:10:53.357" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3600" PostId="2228" Score="0" Text="@JimG.  No; however I misstated a bit.  My initial comment was using irony to highlight the similarity in your question to his - not that your question was ironic.  I wasn't quick enough on the edit.  That's what I get for typing fast... so I'll be perfectly clear from this point, and put it in the form of an actual answer:  see below." CreationDate="2013-12-16T00:30:33.327" UserId="12635" />
  <row Id="3650" PostId="2228" Score="0" Text="Questions should not be asked on meta unless there is a problem to deal with.  I do not see anyone calling for a closure here.  This is a real problem that someone has to deal with unlike say slapping your bosses wife which is just stupid." CreationDate="2013-12-31T15:31:58.720" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3594" PostId="2229" Score="1" Text="I wish I could accept this answer as it is most favourable to my situation." CreationDate="2013-12-15T23:06:05.887" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="3597" PostId="2229" Score="0" Text="@maple_shaft: Done." CreationDate="2013-12-15T23:43:44.947" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3603" PostId="2229" Score="0" Text="&quot;A good question is a good question&quot;. Indeed. +1" CreationDate="2013-12-16T11:53:32.330" UserId="12796" />
  <row Id="3604" PostId="2229" Score="4" Text="Agreed. A good question is a good question. And even if the OP selects an answer that might feed their confirmation bias, the community can still upvote the answer(s) they feel are the better ones." CreationDate="2013-12-16T17:18:30.257" UserId="12436" />
  <row Id="3601" PostId="2230" Score="2" Text="+1: For `How the OP decides to take that is completely up to them.`" CreationDate="2013-12-16T01:19:22.450" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3605" PostId="2230" Score="1" Text="that second paragraph is a really valuable perspective, thanks!" CreationDate="2013-12-17T01:36:05.220" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3607" PostId="2232" Score="0" Text="There's a system? ;-)" CreationDate="2013-12-17T19:38:16.390" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3613" PostId="2232" Score="0" Text="@Joe, the system may contain a lot of uncertainty, but it's still a system. A work in progress is still a work, and all that jazz." CreationDate="2013-12-18T06:45:19.150" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3614" PostId="2232" Score="0" Text="there's jazz? I'll take five.  ;-)" CreationDate="2013-12-18T12:17:58.570" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3610" PostId="2234" Score="0" Text="I completely skipped over that part. I guess we see what we wanna see? [+1]" CreationDate="2013-12-17T22:58:23.883" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="3608" PostId="2235" Score="1" Text="Everything here is opinion.  The goal is to differentiate the [Good subjective from the bad subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/)" CreationDate="2013-12-17T21:09:39.337" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3615" PostId="2235" Score="0" Text="it's a yes/no question - [known as troublesome](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/183177/165773 &quot;see eg details here&quot;): &quot;When asking a yes/no question there are one of two possibilities: 1. You really want a yes/no answer. If this is the case, and you don't need anything else to answer your question then it means the answers will be inherently low quality... 2. You don't actually want a yes/no answer, in which case your real question is not actually a yes/no question, and you're hoping that people will determine what your real question is...&quot;" CreationDate="2013-12-18T14:27:54.963" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3609" PostId="2236" Score="0" Text="Fair enough [+1]" CreationDate="2013-12-17T22:57:52.740" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="3618" PostId="2239" Score="3" Text="...also, because unless it's outright deleted, the content will still be discoverable via search engine, so there's still value there." CreationDate="2013-12-19T12:22:46.443" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3619" PostId="2239" Score="0" Text="Does the question belongs to you? I don't get it (maybe because my english is poor)" CreationDate="2013-12-19T15:16:48.710" UserId="12796" />
  <row Id="3620" PostId="2239" Score="0" Text="@HugoRocha - No. I am asking a general question. Should we simply never touch an answer to a question which is already closed? Or, if we want to make an answer better, should we do so - even though the question has been closed?" CreationDate="2013-12-19T15:47:59.687" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3621" PostId="2239" Score="0" Text="Oh. Right. I don't want to answer that directly, because i think Monica answer have  sufficed." CreationDate="2013-12-19T16:34:48.127" UserId="12796" />
  <row Id="3635" PostId="2239" Score="0" Text="that is kind of the entire point of putting things &quot;on hold&quot; instead of deleting them outright, is to give time for them to be improved." CreationDate="2013-12-27T14:39:47.500" UserDisplayName="user718" />
  <row Id="3623" PostId="2240" Score="3" Text="If editing both, I'd recommend editing the question first, so it doesn't draw in downvotes/delete votes once the answer edit bumps it." CreationDate="2013-12-19T20:47:35.417" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3624" PostId="2240" Score="3" Text="Good point.  Also, whichever you do last is what will be linked from the timestamp on the front page." CreationDate="2013-12-19T21:38:36.777" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3622" PostId="2241" Score="0" Text="That's an interesting one. I think that it's useful to leave there, even if it's just a &quot;big comment&quot; since it will help future visitors to the question." CreationDate="2013-12-19T18:16:23.600" UserId="2196" />
  <row Id="3625" PostId="2242" Score="1" Text="I don't know about this. Sometimes I'm searching for _something_ and I think &quot;superlative&quot; is what will get me there. This is where our site can add some intelligence that dictionaries (and other search targets) cannot. I have to imagine people searching towards a solution without firm terms make up a not insignificant portion of the traffic..." CreationDate="2013-12-22T00:19:40.237" UserId="2196" />
  <row Id="3628" PostId="2242" Score="0" Text="@Telastyn - I see where you're coming from, but if the content is valuable, what's stopping us from finding another question where it fits better and posting there? What prevents us from posting &quot;related: *&lt;link&gt;*&quot; under such questions to link related material? It's possible to still cater to the people who haven't made a decision, without letting the site get bogged down by the same noise that makes us despise noisy forums. Many times, less is more." CreationDate="2013-12-22T03:07:29.407" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3631" PostId="2242" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 This leads me back to this [comment](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2168/how-should-we-adjust-our-approach-to-editing-to-minimize-conflicts#comment3430_2168) where I suggest creating a fork of a question if it's too fragmented or off for some reason. I think the kinds of answers that this question is about are another symptom of the same issue: getting the OP or people searching for similar patterns to think in a different direction. Maybe the forking approach is worth it after all." CreationDate="2013-12-25T03:44:37.500" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3632" PostId="2242" Score="0" Text="@CMW - The thing to consider when forking a question is to make sure it is significantly worded in a way to where it doesn't end up getting viewed as a duplicate of the parent question. There have been examples of people successfully asking &quot;follow-up&quot; questions where they reference a previous question, and sometimes those posts do well, as long as they're substantial enough to stand on their own. In other words, the pitfall is what you see a lot of the &quot;answer-my-own-question&quot; crowd do. They'll ask a one-liner question but give a full, novelized answer that's way too broad." CreationDate="2013-12-25T08:35:45.167" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3633" PostId="2242" Score="1" Text="[cont'd] The key is to still make sure both questions and answers can stand on their own as great Stack Exchange posts without it seeming forced." CreationDate="2013-12-25T08:36:10.323" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3634" PostId="2242" Score="1" Text="I think any solution to these of close-but-off-topic answers will require careful balance, so we don't litter the site, with less than useful information" CreationDate="2013-12-25T08:43:21.250" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3629" PostId="2243" Score="1" Text="Although I might omit or rephrase the &quot;Google is your friend&quot; part, I agree with your sentiment." CreationDate="2013-12-24T16:32:41.360" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3646" PostId="2243" Score="1" Text="I have discussed this in the workplace chat and IIRC it was found to be pretty stupid for a Q&amp;A site to tell its users to go search for answers elsewhere." CreationDate="2013-12-31T13:54:01.533" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="3630" PostId="2245" Score="0" Text="Thanks, jim! Appreciated" CreationDate="2013-12-24T18:19:40.897" UserId="8736" />
  <row Id="3639" PostId="2246" Score="1" Text="How about if the answer only uses &quot;non-flawed logic&quot;?" CreationDate="2013-12-30T22:17:09.723" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3640" PostId="2246" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere - The use of logic in a question is fine but it should still be backed up with references and/or experience.  This topic is generally so broad and there are so many variables that it is basically effectively to take them all in and cover all the bases logic wise.  There is also the variablity of flawed criteria.  If I were to tell you that 1+1 = 10 you would logically conclude that I was using base 2... but maybe I just really suck at math" CreationDate="2013-12-30T22:21:48.530" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4073" PostId="2247" Score="1" Text="related MSO feature-request [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/54917/), [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2519/), and [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/926/)" CreationDate="2014-03-03T03:58:58.770" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3661" PostId="2250" Score="0" Text="@Kate, fyi posting a raw link like `http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/17764/2651` will automatically resolve as the question title, so no need to do fancy `[]()` markup for question titles. When I found this out it saved me zillions of hours, so I figure I'd share (note: it doesn't work on deleted questions, though does work cross-site on the SE network)" CreationDate="2014-01-06T23:47:07.983" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3663" PostId="2250" Score="1" Text="I know, I was editing the link from &quot;this question&quot; which is what was there before" CreationDate="2014-01-06T23:53:01.820" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="3652" PostId="2251" Score="0" Text="The downvote is not what is bothering me. If the question is unclear then the comments should address that aspect but all comments are clearly directed at me personally instead of what is written in the question itself so I'm a little confused as to why. Lack of focus might be it but I think I have been pretty clear in asking about actionable strategies in corporate settings for career advancement. I don't know how much clearer I can be. Obviously more because of all the confusion in the comments." CreationDate="2014-01-02T01:37:05.063" UserDisplayName="user2651" />
  <row Id="3653" PostId="2251" Score="0" Text="As for the applicability. I'm not sure what's more applicable than best practices for advancing one's career in corporate settings. Unless everyone on this stackexchange is a freelancer or working on a startup my question should have wide applicability." CreationDate="2014-01-02T01:38:50.540" UserDisplayName="user2651" />
  <row Id="3654" PostId="2251" Score="1" Text="I always say - there are no best practices. There are practices that sometimes work well, in some contexts. &quot;Corporate settings&quot; encompass an extremely wide variety of situations, and useful responses. I think you are looking for something that isn't there." CreationDate="2014-01-02T02:38:02.760" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3655" PostId="2251" Score="0" Text="Sure. In that case the question should indeed be closed." CreationDate="2014-01-02T04:04:42.683" UserDisplayName="user2651" />
  <row Id="3665" PostId="2254" Score="1" Text="I completely agree, and voting on questions (I typically vote more on answers) is something I started making a concerted effort to do a few months ago.  However, I will nitpick a bit and note that more than a few of those 0 score Qs &amp; As actually DO have votes, but the upvotes and downvotes cancel each other out to thus appear as 0. :)" CreationDate="2014-01-07T00:16:47.080" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3666" PostId="2254" Score="0" Text="@jcmeloni, details details (I knew this, I just didn't want to do an API query to try to figure out which ones actually have zero votes, and which just have zero score). I am personally horrible at voting, so this is something I really need to get a move on. I'm considering starting a meta thread and posting 10 old questions for people to vote on each week based on highest views per month or somesuch. We have 21 months of questions now, so posting 10 questions from each month with the highest views each week would take about half a year, and garner us all about 300 question votes by the end." CreationDate="2014-01-07T00:30:24.650" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3656" PostId="2256" Score="1" Text="it had that answer before the edit :-)" CreationDate="2014-01-06T16:11:01.437" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="3659" PostId="2256" Score="0" Text="Apologies @Kate, didn't check the timestamps (both the edit and your answer said 10 hours ago at the time, woops?)" CreationDate="2014-01-06T23:30:58.623" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3658" PostId="2257" Score="2" Text="While the original question may be more interesting, the current question applies to more situations including the more specific one the person was asking about. That makes the current question, while more general, more accessible in the future and a better resource." CreationDate="2014-01-06T23:30:40.153" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3671" PostId="2257" Score="0" Text="The edit made a completely different question. Using short name may be considered a whim, while by religious name it's not the case. The comments proove the people are confused about it." CreationDate="2014-01-09T12:45:59.537" UserDisplayName="user1023" />
  <row Id="3657" PostId="2258" Score="1" Text="+100: `These reasons don't seem very consistent.` They've never been consistent. And I made a big stink about this at the very beginning. http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2038/high-volume-of-questions-being-put-on-hold-or-closed-is-that-a-problem/2042#2042" CreationDate="2014-01-06T19:15:21.860" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3660" PostId="2258" Score="0" Text="Hey Joe, I don't know if you saw it, but I tried to refine the on-topic and off-topic portions of the help center to more directly reflect how we actually seem to act on things [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2045/on-topic-and-off-topic-sections-of-the-help-center) if you want to add your two cents." CreationDate="2014-01-06T23:32:39.770" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3662" PostId="2258" Score="0" Text="@jmac: Thank you for that. I think we're doing a lot better these days. I just wish that we could encourage the hundreds of users who we've lost to give us another chance." CreationDate="2014-01-06T23:53:01.107" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3664" PostId="2258" Score="1" Text="@Jim, I don't think it's a big issue. Our traffic is growing incredibly well ([source](https://www.quantcast.com/workplace.stackexchange.com)) and new users are pouring in through search engines because we have quality content. Many may not participate, but providing a better environment going forward will certainly get more to stick around. That's how I found SE in the first place after all..." CreationDate="2014-01-06T23:55:43.767" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3670" PostId="2258" Score="0" Text="@jmac - I'll look at the help center revisions as soon as I have a chance. Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-01-08T20:12:21.983" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3667" PostId="2259" Score="0" Text="ummm...I'm somewhat confused.  I asked this back in July, Jim edited it 8 hours ago, and there is another answer?  Thank you for explaining how spam flags work, I was unaware they were handled in such a way." CreationDate="2014-01-08T03:46:00.203" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="3668" PostId="2259" Score="1" Text="I didn't realize it was just an edit, woops! Sorry about that." CreationDate="2014-01-08T03:54:26.457" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3669" PostId="2259" Score="0" Text="No problem.  Just confused me why I was getting notifications on something many months old, haha." CreationDate="2014-01-08T07:58:43.377" UserId="1374" />
  <row Id="3672" PostId="2263" Score="2" Text="I gave it a go, thanks&#xA;&#xA;http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/17975/is-it-counter-productive-to-hire-externally-for-senior-skilled-roles" CreationDate="2014-01-11T00:30:00.673" UserId="12616" />
  <row Id="3681" PostId="2265" Score="1" Text="I don't think it is off topic... but I do not think it is a great question either.  I agree it fits freelancing better.  I think it should not have been migrated here though in its current form." CreationDate="2014-01-15T19:55:42.047" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3682" PostId="2265" Score="0" Text="Maybe we could migrate a few of the crap questions we have gotten recently to programmers just to get even?" CreationDate="2014-01-15T19:56:42.033" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3673" PostId="2266" Score="2" Text="I had similar thoughts about this question. It also seemed way too specific to me. Other questions that are specific to IT jobs got closed in the past, so, not sure." CreationDate="2014-01-14T19:46:17.937" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3674" PostId="2266" Score="1" Text="Medical question + specific to a shipboard position = too specific for workplace, I think." CreationDate="2014-01-14T20:57:07.170" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3675" PostId="2266" Score="0" Text="Could we refocus the question to focus on ways to still get the job with the specific condition the person has?  Just thinking out loud, but that might make it more of a medical question than a workplace question. I could see this going either way." CreationDate="2014-01-14T21:07:19.790" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3676" PostId="2266" Score="0" Text="question requiring medicine professional to answer?" CreationDate="2014-01-14T21:23:38.980" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3677" PostId="2267" Score="3" Text="&quot;Too Specific&quot; should never be a reason to close a question.&quot; ??? Yet this seems to happen a lot. &quot;Off Topic&quot; is the official reason used. For example: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/18061/my-employer-wants-me-to-increase-my-car-insurance-what-to-do" CreationDate="2014-01-15T12:00:17.620" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3678" PostId="2267" Score="0" Text="Hey @Joe, I disagree with the choice of reasons for the close. I think the question borders on legal (asking if they can do that), and then gets in to ethics (should they do that) rather than asking what recourse they have (which could be something someone could answer)." CreationDate="2014-01-15T12:39:50.553" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3679" PostId="2267" Score="2" Text="I've unlocked the question to enable edits and comments, since it's being discussed here." CreationDate="2014-01-15T13:19:07.167" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3680" PostId="2267" Score="0" Text="I think this question should probably stay closed because the important part is the test results that potentially indicate liver damage.  Removing that context changes the question and is unlikely to get the answer the OP wants." CreationDate="2014-01-15T19:53:14.677" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3685" PostId="2267" Score="0" Text="@Chad, Providing medical advice (what a slightly elevated SGPT/ALT blood test means) is definitely outside our scope. But the person who asked may know (they may have asked their doctor, or may be able to ask). What we can do is provide an answer to the part we can answer about, and hope that the information helps someone via google who doesn't have the same medical condition but will appreciate the general advice." CreationDate="2014-01-16T06:22:37.247" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3687" PostId="2267" Score="0" Text="@jmac - I agree.  But changing someones question so it no longer helps them is the wrong way to do that.  There are 2 really bad assumptions that people can jump with the specific results asked about.  That is not medical advice that is what employers think when they see elevated liver enzyme levels on a blood test.  In the US unless you can prove a health risk to others you can not use that against them... but I am sure I can find about a hundred other reasons why I did not hire this person." CreationDate="2014-01-16T16:03:31.770" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3688" PostId="2267" Score="0" Text="@Chad, If the question is closed the asker gets no help. If the question is changed but open, the asker gets help. I will edit for the latter in a heartbeat every time." CreationDate="2014-01-16T21:33:28.220" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3689" PostId="2267" Score="0" Text="@jmac - No the question is changed and nolonger asks about the part the OP cares about the OP is not getting help." CreationDate="2014-01-16T22:19:23.873" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3690" PostId="2267" Score="1" Text="@Chad, I've included my response in the answer." CreationDate="2014-01-16T23:53:31.857" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3686" PostId="2268" Score="6" Text="This is great news!" CreationDate="2014-01-16T08:11:52.910" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="9179" PostId="2268" Score="0" Text="Is there any way to click on these queries and get current results displayed, for those of us who are just idly wondering and don't want to spend time learning the query interface right now?" CreationDate="2016-05-12T01:43:07.707" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9180" PostId="2268" Score="0" Text="@keshlam they are all current if you click the links to the data explorer." CreationDate="2016-05-12T01:44:20.850" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="9181" PostId="2268" Score="0" Text="HM. When I clicked one, I saw the query language. May have missed an execute button." CreationDate="2016-05-12T01:45:50.940" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9182" PostId="2268" Score="0" Text="@keshlam just click 'run' under the code." CreationDate="2016-05-12T01:46:12.570" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3683" PostId="2269" Score="2" Text="I [updated the query](http://data.stackexchange.com/the%20workplace%20stack%20exchange/revision/160191/203924/top-close-voters) to include everyone with close vote privileges. It was set to 3k which is correct for graduated sites, but 500 for beta sites, so the list is significantly longer." CreationDate="2014-01-16T03:46:31.707" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3684" PostId="2269" Score="0" Text="@jmac: Thanks! I forgot about that!" CreationDate="2014-01-16T04:34:42.253" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3699" PostId="2269" Score="3" Text="worth noting that these stats are skewed because [close votes cast on deleted posts are not included in Data.SE](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/157462/can-some-metadata-about-deleted-posts-be-included-in-data-se &quot;feature request to fix this at MSO&quot;)." CreationDate="2014-01-17T16:03:19.733" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3700" PostId="2269" Score="2" Text="Wow I need to vote to close more!" CreationDate="2014-01-17T19:07:24.600" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3701" PostId="2269" Score="2" Text="@enderland Naahh it just means you've been voting to close all the right things, since they've since been deleted! :) Don't forget there is a script which auto-deletes low scoring closed questions that meet a specific criteria." CreationDate="2014-01-20T23:40:22.443" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="3702" PostId="2269" Score="2" Text="I edited your query title slightly, as this query only pulls data from the PostHistory table and aggregates the users who closed a question. You're not actually able to query Close/Reopen votes directly since they expire and get removed from Data.SE." CreationDate="2014-01-21T15:52:24.833" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="3703" PostId="2269" Score="0" Text="@Rachel: Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-01-21T19:19:55.117" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="9194" PostId="2269" Score="0" Text="@JimG. I notice you just edited this. If you are planning to update these statistics from time to time (which is not bad), I suggest also including the date the statistics were taken in the post. I don't think just depending on the last edited date is that reliable." CreationDate="2016-05-12T12:46:31.683" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="3691" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="Okay, at this point, perhaps it isn't a bad idea to talk with the folks in Programmers chat about questions they intend to migrate this way. Whenever I migrate questions from one site to another, I generally edit it on the source site first before moving it over, since if it gets closed on the source site we can still easily reopen it. As an aside, I can try unlocking this one if you think it can be edited. Let me know." CreationDate="2014-01-17T01:44:07.680" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3692" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="@jmort, I suggest we find a developer to edit the question. I don't understand what agile is, and any edit I made would change it dramatically from 'how do I estimate sprints' to 'estimating 40 hours of work doesn't account for meetings or other things that come up, should I be taking that in to account in estimating the hours available, or increase the amount of time I think it will take to complete things based on meetings and the like?'" CreationDate="2014-01-17T01:51:00.980" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3694" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="Just curious - why do 10k views cause a burden? What are you managing that is impacted by this kind of volume (which is large for Workplace but not for other Stackexchange sites)?" CreationDate="2014-01-17T11:30:26.097" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3696" PostId="2272" Score="1" Text="@joe, tons of traffic means voting, closing, and flagging. When I'm awake no one else is, so I am spending my time moderating rather than editing or answering which results in worse content." CreationDate="2014-01-17T14:00:05.040" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3697" PostId="2272" Score="1" Text="@jmac - thanks. I thought the site was fairly automated. I didn't realize it depended on a lot of moderator action." CreationDate="2014-01-17T14:02:31.813" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3698" PostId="2272" Score="0" Text="@jmac involving SE dev is not strictly necessary - you can draft the edited version right here, in this or in another, separate answer and ask moderators to unlock after edit is done. I did something like that at Prog meta once - drafted an answer, discussed question edit, then appealed to moderator to unlock and reopen - [worked like a charm](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/3811/31260 &quot;here&quot;). No time pressure, no fear, solid back-up for moderator flag" CreationDate="2014-01-17T15:58:03.087" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3693" PostId="2274" Score="3" Text="I have no idea, but it now has a reopen vote. It may have to do with the flood of visitors we got yesterday putting a real damper on community moderation, or it could be something else. Hopefully the members who closed it can share their insight." CreationDate="2014-01-17T07:50:25.293" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3695" PostId="2274" Score="0" Text="I agree with @jmac. That closure looks strange. I just added a reopen vote. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2014-01-17T12:24:29.153" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3762" PostId="2279" Score="1" Text="@JimG. Fixed :) Apparently, they renamed The Workspace on Data.SE, breaking all queries linking to it." CreationDate="2014-01-29T03:08:17.140" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="3711" PostId="2280" Score="2" Text="OK. But can you explain why this question was worthy of the un-CW?" CreationDate="2014-01-22T14:32:42.917" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7022" PostId="2281" Score="0" Text="This is now broken: [here](http://data.stackexchange.com/workplace/query/300930#graph) is a fixed version." CreationDate="2015-04-14T18:09:55.593" UserId="27355" />
  <row Id="3704" PostId="2282" Score="1" Text="+1: I agree. I don't know why this is an exceptional question that needs to have its CW tag removed. Although to be perfectly honest, I would fully support abolishing the rule that made it a CW to begin with. @jmort253 can you weigh in here?" CreationDate="2014-01-22T02:47:21.027" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3708" PostId="2282" Score="1" Text="@JimG. what would be the reason / benefit of abolishing that rule? As far as I can tell, it was working just fine for [about a year](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1659/168 &quot;since it was established here&quot;). As an example, I can understand why it [was dropped at Code Golf](http://meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/community-wiki), but I see no reason why dropping it would make sense at Workplace" CreationDate="2014-01-22T06:15:54.257" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3709" PostId="2282" Score="3" Text="We shouldn't remove the mechanism from the site altogether, but I see no problem with reviewing specific questions on a case by case basis, especially if we've all gone through and resolved any issues with the question or answers. Ensuring they're in the best shape possible before removing this safeguard from the post permanently will help turn such questions into good examples of what our site is about while also making it easier to spot any new issues later on." CreationDate="2014-01-22T08:17:07.637" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3712" PostId="2282" Score="0" Text="@gnat: Can you remind me why this rule exists in the first place? As I understand it, Jim un-CW'ed this question so that enderland could regain +5 for each upvote. Was there another reason that I'm missing?" CreationDate="2014-01-22T14:33:46.047" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3713" PostId="2282" Score="0" Text="@JimG. as with [any kind of CW](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/community-wiki/info), it is to unlock free rating of highly collaborative content (lots of answers =&gt; highly collaborative) - that is, to make answers downvoting free. Code Golf are lucky in a sense that they have objective criteria to simply delete negative content (code that doesn't work), no other sites have that strong kind of protection, they have to rely on answers voting to rate stuff" CreationDate="2014-01-22T15:15:12.730" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3716" PostId="2282" Score="3" Text="@jmort, totally agreed that we should make the question pretty and then there's no issue, I think the problem is that we don't downvote enough mediocre answers. There are usually a handful of answers on popular questions that contribute absolutely no new information, are not written well, and collect many upvotes anyway. We need to prevent that moving forward if we want to maintain quality, but we aren't very good at downvoting...." CreationDate="2014-01-23T01:59:13.770" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4202" PostId="2282" Score="0" Text="I, J. Random New User, for one, had no idea that CW garbage can be downvoted with impunity. Maybe a question that automatically becomes CW can have a notice that &quot;This question has received many answers, help filter the detritus by downvoting with impunity&quot;. I think I'll go back to all the CW questions I've read and offer downvotes and tips where I can... Should I?" CreationDate="2014-03-20T13:57:11.723" UserId="17537" />
  <row Id="3705" PostId="2283" Score="0" Text="Very well then, thanks! :)" CreationDate="2014-01-22T03:47:19.377" UserId="12484" />
  <row Id="3706" PostId="2283" Score="2" Text="@Malky, this is not gospel, just one community member's opinion. Take it with a grain of salt and all that. Regardless of what I wrote above, if a question is good for our goal to be a reference to future visitors it should be embraced, even if it fits the 'How does an A become a B' pattern. I am a huge fan of the Wikipedia [Ignore All Rules](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules) rule: &quot;If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-01-22T03:59:10.937" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3707" PostId="2284" Score="1" Text="FWIW [first revision of the question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/18152/1) looked like hard to comprehend wall of text; it is quite likely that some of the voters thought it should be closed as unclear" CreationDate="2014-01-22T05:52:38.687" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3710" PostId="2285" Score="0" Text="Could you explain why this particular question was worthy of the un-CW?" CreationDate="2014-01-22T14:32:07.350" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3714" PostId="2285" Score="3" Text="@JimG. - Because it was bumped there by people with sock puppet accounts posting several worthless answers." CreationDate="2014-01-22T16:37:53.097" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3715" PostId="2285" Score="0" Text="@Chad: Ah. Sock puppet accounts are bad. Thanks." CreationDate="2014-01-22T16:53:32.477" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3718" PostId="2287" Score="2" Text="Good idea, we want to set a good example for questions and answers. Count me in! Though i am hesitant about arbitrarily making everything less than 15, if they are good answers i wouldnt want them deleted for the sake of it" CreationDate="2014-01-23T12:20:42.167" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3745" PostId="2287" Score="0" Text="This is awesome. I really like how you're focusing on one question at a time in its own thread." CreationDate="2014-01-26T01:11:26.863" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4147" PostId="2287" Score="0" Text="Since the answer you singled out was posted among the first, it could have been very useful at the time and wasn't actually *compared* to the others. Not sure how to deal with such situations however." CreationDate="2014-03-11T15:40:02.933" UserId="10033" />
  <row Id="10124" PostId="2287" Score="0" Text="For the sake of &quot;precision,&quot; maybe there should be a down vote reason like &quot;this answer is useful but another is FAR better.&quot;  :-)" CreationDate="2016-10-07T22:24:43.443" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="3746" PostId="2288" Score="0" Text="What do the little pencils mean?" CreationDate="2014-01-26T01:12:25.320" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3747" PostId="2288" Score="2" Text="@jmort It means it's been edited. While I find it unlikely, it's possible someone could make a bad first answer, and then steal ideas from other answers in a later edit to make it look better. While I posted them in original creation order, the ones that are edited may require a wee bit of added scrutiny. (see the little mark next to this comment? same image, same meaning, you can mouseover them to see the time they were edited)" CreationDate="2014-01-26T13:26:43.500" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3748" PostId="2288" Score="0" Text="Hmmm, one of the posts that has a pencil beside it doesn't appear to have been edited when you look at the post itself. Maybe it's because the user's account is deleted..." CreationDate="2014-01-27T02:05:07.000" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3749" PostId="2288" Score="0" Text="@jmort, which one? I used [this query](http://data.stackexchange.com/workplace/revision/162224/206771/links-and-score-of-all-answers-for-a-question) and compared activity date to answer date. If it hasn't been edited, I'll have to look at the query data. Which number was it?" CreationDate="2014-01-27T02:06:29.193" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3750" PostId="2288" Score="0" Text="Number 2. Look at number 2..." CreationDate="2014-01-27T03:24:25.863" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3751" PostId="2288" Score="0" Text="Ah, it's not a deleted user. The post was migrated from Programmers SE." CreationDate="2014-01-27T03:25:14.540" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3752" PostId="2288" Score="1" Text="[timeline](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/timeline) view can be helpful to track voting on answers: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/1478/timeline" CreationDate="2014-01-27T03:27:23.230" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3753" PostId="2288" Score="0" Text="@gnat, that is tremendous. Another tool to use to prove the huge influx of votes from a hot post. Wow! Thanks." CreationDate="2014-01-27T04:59:26.947" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3754" PostId="2288" Score="0" Text="@jmort, ah, it seems migration counts as activity. Not much I can do about that without going through them manually. Not good enough at SQL to figure out how to foo the bar to prevent that from occurring at any rate. Shouldn't be too much of a problem (I hope), but I'll take a look at migration date in the future if I realize a similar issue. (for now I removed the edit mark on post #2)" CreationDate="2014-01-27T05:00:53.297" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3755" PostId="2288" Score="0" Text="yeah. Especially sad to see how basically any answer, no matter how bad, gets a solid portion of _sympathy upvotes_ from passers by. [&quot;...there are just too many new voters and commenters to get things going as designed&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/164078/165773)" CreationDate="2014-01-27T07:21:35.377" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3717" PostId="2289" Score="0" Text="I like it, though that watch tradition seems to have died a while ago. Unless it confuses people, let's do it." CreationDate="2014-01-23T09:05:30.943" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3719" PostId="2291" Score="4" Text="Side note: All of the 'users' are unregistered. So every time the OP comes back to a question of theirs they end up making a new account for each edit, being that they cant log in to edit the previous iteration" CreationDate="2014-01-23T12:53:43.530" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3734" PostId="2291" Score="0" Text="@RhysW What is an unregistered user?" CreationDate="2014-01-23T21:10:12.503" UserDisplayName="user10911" />
  <row Id="3736" PostId="2291" Score="1" Text="He has just made [an additional suggested edit](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/14262/user14262) from yet another unregistered account..." CreationDate="2014-01-23T23:40:59.550" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3740" PostId="2291" Score="1" Text="Looks like that account is registered and should be the main account. I think." CreationDate="2014-01-24T03:45:11.823" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3742" PostId="2291" Score="0" Text="@geekrunnings a user who has not registered an account into the SE network" CreationDate="2014-01-24T11:13:48.180" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3743" PostId="2291" Score="1" Text="@gnat seems the merge has been made, thanks to whoever did so" CreationDate="2014-01-24T11:14:24.823" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3744" PostId="2291" Score="0" Text="@RhysW can't tell if it's complete, of accounts I listed http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/13670/newboss seems to be still hanging while the rest indeed looks like merged into http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/14262/newboss" CreationDate="2014-01-24T11:16:03.917" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3720" PostId="2292" Score="1" Text="Ethics is off topic here.  We deal with professionalism.  But that does not appear to be what you are interested in.  You want a moral judgement on the activity.  That does not work well in the SE Format." CreationDate="2014-01-23T17:57:56.963" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3722" PostId="2292" Score="2" Text="I disagree that ethics questions specifically about the workplace are off-topic for this site, but I have edited my question to ask about that as well." CreationDate="2014-01-23T18:10:52.567" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="3723" PostId="2292" Score="1" Text="Already asked and answered... http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/453/are-ethics-part-of-our-purview" CreationDate="2014-01-23T18:13:52.920" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3724" PostId="2292" Score="1" Text="From the top-rated answer in that question: &quot;As long as the questions have enough detail to where they can be answered from a strategic view or focusing on consequences, then I don't personally see a problem with the question [about ethics].&quot; I'd like to think that my question met this criteria, but if not, I'd like to know how I can edit it so that it does meet this criteria." CreationDate="2014-01-23T18:16:23.683" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="3725" PostId="2292" Score="0" Text="You can not ask for a moral judgement.  There is no way you can ask for a moral judgement that will be on topic and not opinion based that I can think of and I am pretty creative,." CreationDate="2014-01-23T18:19:34.103" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3726" PostId="2292" Score="0" Text="That is a question about ethics your question is asking for a moral judgement... it fails to meet the criteria Jmort set out in that answer." CreationDate="2014-01-23T18:20:41.657" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3732" PostId="2292" Score="0" Text="you've got 10 answers ([firehose of information](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/167542/165773)) =&gt; this essentially blocks any substantial edits of the question. Answers are considered [more important than questions](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/06/optimizing-for-pearls-not-sand/) at Stack Exchange, one has to provide _very_ strong justification to do invalidating edits of the question... and no _I just wanna reopen_ doesn't qualify" CreationDate="2014-01-23T19:49:20.407" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3738" PostId="2292" Score="0" Text="FYI: Ethics != Morals https://www.google.com/search?hl=en-US&amp;espv=1&amp;q=difference+between+ethics+and+morals+examples&amp;revid=1189697787&amp;sa=X&amp;ei=L7nhUqO8EajisASYs4HABA&amp;ved=0CE0Q1QIoAw" CreationDate="2014-01-24T00:53:39.840" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3741" PostId="2292" Score="2" Text="I understand many people feel strongly about questions related to ethics, but we should try to be supportive of people who come to meta to ask about how to improve their questions when they get closed. Downvotes work a bit differently on metas, sure, but let's try to encourage people engaging the community when they get a question closed or otherwise come to us for advice and assistance on improving the quality of their posts." CreationDate="2014-01-24T06:47:28.163" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3730" PostId="2293" Score="0" Text="The alternative questions seem good, but ideally I would like to change to something that doesn't invalidate every single answer. Indeed, some of the answers talk about the general practice without mention ethics at all and might be good candidates for a new accepted answer if the question were changed. Would dropping the part about ethics and simply asking about acceptability in the workplace be alright? Or do you have some other idea for how I can make the question alright without invalidating every answer?" CreationDate="2014-01-23T19:03:00.973" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="3731" PostId="2293" Score="1" Text="No because they answered your original moral judgement question.  So changing the core of the question is going to invalidate many of the answers.  You could always ask the question that the one answer you like is answering.  *What value do businesses get from their employees participating at SE during their work day?* would leave several of the answers as valid.  The ones that provide the opinion  you originally asked for are going to be invalidated when you ask a good question... as they should be." CreationDate="2014-01-23T19:08:55.973" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3733" PostId="2294" Score="0" Text="It really is not.  Should i quit my job is off topic." CreationDate="2014-01-23T20:47:10.807" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3739" PostId="2296" Score="0" Text="Relevant: http://www.philosophersbeard.org/2010/10/morality-vs-ethics.html?m=1" CreationDate="2014-01-24T02:30:05.230" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3757" PostId="2297" Score="0" Text="Any sense as to why EMS cares? He seems to have gotten as many answers/comments as could reasonably be expected. Why would he really care if the question is now closed?" CreationDate="2014-01-28T12:16:48.983" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3758" PostId="2297" Score="0" Text="@Joe, you could ask him. I don't really know. [His history of programmers meta may give some hints](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/users/103181/ems)." CreationDate="2014-01-28T14:15:02.200" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3761" PostId="2298" Score="2" Text="Pretty much sums it up....and then some!" CreationDate="2014-01-28T22:43:31.123" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="16976" PostId="2298" Score="0" Text="I appreciate reading these perspectives. I hope all of you also understand that when someone asks questions regarding the workplace, the workplace is the status quo, when someone complains against the status quo, others may resent it and backlash may be the result, such as voting to hold and close a post. I am not saying that this is what has happened, not even in my recently held post, but it is a reality. Just because we are on this wonderful platform does not mean that people check their fears and prejudices at the door. That would be the hope, but don't expect it." CreationDate="2018-11-02T00:33:11.490" UserId="76152" />
  <row Id="3764" PostId="2299" Score="0" Text="Good question, it's always good to see people going the extra mile to improve" CreationDate="2014-01-29T10:51:11.980" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3759" PostId="2300" Score="2" Text="We have actually had the objective version of this question before looking to see If I can find it" CreationDate="2014-01-28T22:07:25.573" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3760" PostId="2300" Score="0" Text="Well, even better!" CreationDate="2014-01-28T22:39:13.523" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3765" PostId="2302" Score="3" Text="That last part is important. The five of us can easily check with you guys before we migrate anything, but we have quite a few users who'll keep flagging (and worse: commenting) any career related question for migration. We need your help to educate the wider ProgSE community on what questions you welcome (and what you could live without)." CreationDate="2014-01-29T14:16:52.090" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="3771" PostId="2302" Score="0" Text="Adding on to what @Yannis said, I generally get a ping from P.SE on this too if I'm idling in chat and there's a &quot;go to workplace!&quot; comment which is out of place. If I do, I try to respond with a &quot;Actually...&quot; type comment which I then drop in P.SE chat and it gets upvoted. This works, ok, again only when people are around on chat though." CreationDate="2014-01-29T16:32:48.800" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3772" PostId="2302" Score="1" Text="@yannis - You can always leave a comment in chat with a link to the question.  When someone pops in and sees an action item like that they can help address it and then ping you back." CreationDate="2014-01-29T16:40:36.873" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3763" PostId="2303" Score="3" Text="Pretty much in agreement, the only thing I would add is that things don't 'need to be migrated right away!!!' if people aren't around to help out there is no harm in leaving us a message in the cooler and keeping it on their site (even if on hold) until someone, mod, user, whatever can make a judgement / edit. I would also point out that we in the cooler might not always be right, and that a migration shouldn't be migrated / rejected on the advice of a single user alone! Some users are better at seeing hidden potential than others." CreationDate="2014-01-29T10:48:39.110" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3766" PostId="2303" Score="0" Text="I think number 3 should be if no one is around then they should wait until someone is or get approval from a mod." CreationDate="2014-01-29T14:45:31.513" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3773" PostId="2303" Score="0" Text="In reality, people are going to migrate stuff without 'approval'. I would much rather that they at least think about whether it is appropriate before doing it rather than auto-migrate due to flags. Yes, asking is always better, but at the very least, judgment should be exercised." CreationDate="2014-01-29T23:33:03.853" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3767" PostId="2304" Score="2" Text="Then why do we still get so many bad questions migrated." CreationDate="2014-01-29T14:46:43.550" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3769" PostId="2304" Score="1" Text="@chad as it turns out I don't live there 100% of the time ;)" CreationDate="2014-01-29T16:10:25.160" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3770" PostId="2304" Score="3" Text="So then you need to change your life so that you can..." CreationDate="2014-01-29T16:28:10.343" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3786" PostId="2307" Score="0" Text="How do you make someone else do something they do not want to do is off topic.  The only way to change the question to be on topic is to ask about the benefits of the 2 plans... which is the question its closed as a duplicate of" CreationDate="2014-02-03T22:37:11.620" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3775" PostId="2308" Score="2" Text="possible duplicate of [How should we deal with questions where the OP is looking for someone to tell them something that they want to hear?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2228/how-should-we-deal-with-questions-where-the-op-is-looking-for-someone-to-tell-th)" CreationDate="2014-01-30T18:30:16.480" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3774" PostId="2309" Score="0" Text="good point about first step. &quot;How do I convince mgmt&quot; sounds much of an [XY problem](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/66378/165773 &quot;'asking about your attempted solution rather than your actual problem'&quot;). Convincing is a _solution_ but the real _problem_ is gaining evidence of productivity loss/gain. With this _XY-gap_ properly filled in, duplication becomes rather obvious" CreationDate="2014-01-30T05:20:00.753" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3783" PostId="2309" Score="2" Text="In which case what you've said here could be stated as an answer to the question. &quot;The first step is to gather information...- Next...&quot;." CreationDate="2014-02-03T19:59:22.530" UserDisplayName="user10911" />
  <row Id="3776" PostId="2314" Score="2" Text="Protecting a question does nothing to prevent the person who asked it from commenting on it or editing it. Locking it would, but locking a question means that *nobody* can touch it (which is fine if it is perfect as is for a reference, but not ideal if it isn't). The question at face-value does not match the comments, that's the issue -- do we go with what is being said in the question, or what's being said in the comments?" CreationDate="2014-01-31T00:39:54.963" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3777" PostId="2314" Score="0" Text="&quot;If there are problems with any answers or comments,then those should be dealt with&quot; - I completely agree but we do not have the option to vote users who do not want to comply with our rules off of our island.  All we can do is close the question to stop the discussion." CreationDate="2014-01-31T18:35:27.643" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3778" PostId="2314" Score="0" Text="@Chad: I did not mean that the _people_ should be dealt with -- just the comments/answers. (I edited to clarify.)" CreationDate="2014-01-31T22:28:16.420" UserId="10954" />
  <row Id="3779" PostId="2314" Score="0" Text="@Martinf - But as regular users we do not have the ability to deal with the problem comments.  All we can do is close the question that has spurred the comment discussion" CreationDate="2014-01-31T22:29:31.103" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3780" PostId="2314" Score="0" Text="@jmac: Surely the _question_ is paramount, and comments are secondary, possibly transient items. Isn't that a fundamental tenet of the SE family? If the OP, or anyone, thinks a comment is so important there's always the possibility that it be made into an answer or another question, as desired. In the case of my question (again), i made some comments in the &quot;heat of the moment&quot; and *later removed them*, but i'd like the Q&amp;A to live on." CreationDate="2014-01-31T22:33:12.737" UserId="10954" />
  <row Id="3781" PostId="2314" Score="0" Text="@Chad: I don't quite understand you. My understanding is this: As an ordinary user, i can _flag_ questions, answers, or comments. Higher-ups (extra-ordinary users?) can then close or remove -- i don't know the details of the process -- flagged items. [I just re-read your answer's 2nd para!] Now i'm getting it ... we don't have someone (moderator) able to delete comments? Is that it? But i notice that jim deleted the comments to my Q -- and i'm glad he did. Do we need to pay jim more? ;-)" CreationDate="2014-01-31T22:59:41.693" UserId="10954" />
  <row Id="3782" PostId="2314" Score="0" Text="@martinf - Not users just moderators.  Moderators are volunteers and not paid at all.  So while the comments were flagged it took almost 2 days for them to be cleared.  In the mean time we users closed the question so that at least the problem was stemmed" CreationDate="2014-02-02T22:05:18.977" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3784" PostId="2315" Score="0" Text="There seems to be a flood of &quot;Not an answer&quot; flags on answers on this post. Many of the answers so flagged were, in fact, trying to answer the question. If they're low quality, downvote instead please." CreationDate="2014-02-03T20:01:19.567" UserId="373" />
  <row Id="3787" PostId="2315" Score="1" Text="@Yami, created a separate discussion [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2321/when-asked-how-can-i-foo-the-bar-is-dont-foo-the-bar-an-appropriate-answer). I personally disagree (I think a half-dozen of those flags at least were mine), but we'll see what the community thinks." CreationDate="2014-02-04T00:07:32.060" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3795" PostId="2319" Score="0" Text="given recent wide exposure of site questions in the hot list, with all assorted [&quot;trails and tribulations&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/217573/the-anatomy-of-a-hot-question &quot;see: The Anatomy of a Hot Question&quot;), post-graduation [decrements of community moderation privileges](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/67054/1657730) might turn out troublesome. Though, recent SE team [experiments with hot list](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/218248/165773) could make this less of a concern" CreationDate="2014-02-04T15:28:36.543" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3799" PostId="2319" Score="0" Text="@gnat Do you happen to know the average number of 10K users at graduation for recently-graduated sites? We're at ~15 which doesn't seem _too_ low, but I haven't looked closely at mapping the current users against future priv levels to see what we'd _really_ be in for..." CreationDate="2014-02-04T18:07:26.570" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3801" PostId="2319" Score="2" Text="@jcmeloni compared to _average_, our numbers probably look good-to-exceptional. :) Per my observations, process of _maturing_ of TWP core community was very stable and sane, organic. Having ~80 users with 2K edit privileges and ~50 with 3K to close/reopen also makes me feel we're doing great. It's only high exposure to hot list that somewhat worries me, otherwise I'd feel safe to claim we're 200% ready to graduate." CreationDate="2014-02-04T18:57:51.063" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3803" PostId="2319" Score="2" Text="@Gnat - I think it can be offset by electing some active mods that will help keep the site clean.  We have a few users who do what they can but they lack the ability to deal with the exceptional issues." CreationDate="2014-02-04T20:55:17.100" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3804" PostId="2319" Score="2" Text="@Chad agree that electing more mods would help... and that we have good candidates for elections. :) That's a very good point you made in the question: _&quot;can we get an extra mod or 2 to help handle the volume that we have?&quot;_" CreationDate="2014-02-04T21:01:46.513" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3822" PostId="2319" Score="2" Text="Yes, we are! http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2331/437" CreationDate="2014-02-05T17:43:37.973" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3807" PostId="2322" Score="3" Text="Here is a better example of an answer that is attracting &quot;not an answer&quot; flags: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/450/how-can-i-encourage-a-culture-of-punctuality-in-a-software-company/1018#1018  The basic gist is &quot;This approach is a mistake. Here is my experience as to why this is a mistake. Here is a suggestion on how to solve your underlying problem&quot;. I feel that's an answer, along the lines of the help center quote" CreationDate="2014-02-05T00:44:49.673" UserId="373" />
  <row Id="3808" PostId="2322" Score="2" Text="Another that is attracting flags: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/450/how-can-i-encourage-a-culture-of-punctuality-in-a-software-company/895#895  The gist of that one is &quot;here's my take on why you're getting resistance. Here are some ideas for overcoming the resistance.&quot; How on earth is that not an answer?" CreationDate="2014-02-05T00:46:36.917" UserId="373" />
  <row Id="3883" PostId="2322" Score="0" Text="@Yamikuronue - That second one was experiencing the wall of text effect.  The first 2 paragraphs explain why the resistance which made it read like a you are wrong to try answer, I added a tldr type line to the top which I think will help avoid that problem.  I had originally downvoted and probably flagged it as well." CreationDate="2014-02-13T03:50:30.063" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3884" PostId="2322" Score="0" Text="I would leave the first answer you quoted if there was only 3-5 answers.  With 20+ answers that one should not make the cut.  It does not add anything other than advertise the ops favorite self help book.  It should really be flagged low quality but the lemming upvotes it has recieved prevent that" CreationDate="2014-02-13T03:53:38.670" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11919" PostId="2322" Score="0" Text="&quot;I don't think that particular answer is a good one for the &quot;Don't foo the bar&quot; category and should be down-voted, though not necessarily closed.&quot; Answers usually don't get closed. Only questions get closed. Did you intent to write 'removed' instead?" CreationDate="2017-03-04T14:48:55.017" UserId="26901" />
  <row Id="3806" PostId="2323" Score="1" Text="I think &quot;If you foo the bar it might have health implications for your employees with SAD&quot; is valuable information for the site, though probably it should be phrased better than the above example." CreationDate="2014-02-05T00:40:44.593" UserId="373" />
  <row Id="3809" PostId="2323" Score="0" Text="@Yami, SAD is not a universal thing, nor would it apply to locations closer to the equator. Bringing it up is totally out of left field in most cases, and is tangential at best. Yes, people like flex time for a variety of reasons. The question isn't *&quot;Why is flex time so important?&quot;* it's *&quot;How can I get developers in their seats on time?&quot;*. I don't see how discussing SAD in any way helps to answer that question." CreationDate="2014-02-05T00:48:41.040" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3842" PostId="2323" Score="1" Text="@Yamikuronue - I think it's only valuable if it forms part of an answer which basically says &quot;This is how you *foo the bar*; however, I don't think you should *foo the bar*; this is why you shouldn't; and this is what you should do instead.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-02-06T04:29:14.727" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="3847" PostId="2323" Score="0" Text="@Carson63000 I can agree with that. I'd even agree if they left off the first part and said &quot;I don't think you should, because X, but you should Y instead, here's how&quot;" CreationDate="2014-02-06T11:34:31.677" UserId="373" />
  <row Id="3868" PostId="2323" Score="0" Text="Looking back at my answer, and many others, there is indeed a strong sense of entitlement there. So I wonder, using my post as an example, if I edited my post to be a little more objective, do you think that would resolve the issues? Up to this point, I haven't deleted any answers that said &quot;don't do that&quot; and that *also* provide a viable alternative. Many of the answers do provide alternatives, but I can't help but feel that you've made a solid point about the sense of entitlement as being something we might want to remove. This question really struck a nerve with a lot of devs." CreationDate="2014-02-11T02:09:10.850" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3871" PostId="2323" Score="0" Text="@jmort, I think that the voice certainly makes me a lot more likely to err on the &quot;downvote&quot; side of things, but more than that it's the content -- people aren't answering the question posed (yours does). Any answer which doesn't answer the question shouldn't have upvotes, regardless of how popular the opinions stated in them are. They can be snarky or not, show entitlement or not, but they should answer the question to even be considered in the first place." CreationDate="2014-02-11T14:30:58.797" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3890" PostId="2323" Score="0" Text="@jmac - Take a look at [this answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/509/98) now that I've edited it. I made the &quot;I'm awesome and everyone else sux&quot; a little more subtle and expanded on what the op can do to encourage the culture of punctuality." CreationDate="2014-02-14T08:06:08.497" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3901" PostId="2323" Score="0" Text="@jmort, I really like that edit. It answers the question and explains *why* and *how* to go about doing it, and where the potential pitfalls are." CreationDate="2014-02-17T01:43:53.930" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3796" PostId="2324" Score="0" Text="Hi Marriott81! Welcome to Beta.Meta.Workplace.SE! Feel free to introduce yourself to the `core user base` in chat whenever you have a moment! Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-02-04T16:18:14.177" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3797" PostId="2324" Score="3" Text="Thank you, however I am curious about the down vote from someone.." CreationDate="2014-02-04T16:22:04.887" UserId="13940" />
  <row Id="3800" PostId="2324" Score="4" Text="@JimG., if it's not open to public comment, like Marriott81's here, then it should be done through channels that don't allow for public comment." CreationDate="2014-02-04T18:17:46.753" UserId="5168" />
  <row Id="3810" PostId="2324" Score="0" Text="Haha my bad, not that it was obvious who it was aimed at.. however I will now play Coy and wave a fan in front of myself to hide my embarrassment" CreationDate="2014-02-05T09:00:37.103" UserId="13940" />
  <row Id="3811" PostId="2326" Score="1" Text="This should be posted on meta." CreationDate="2014-02-05T08:15:48.060" UserId="15697" />
  <row Id="3812" PostId="2326" Score="0" Text="Only VIPs can post on meta I think..." CreationDate="2014-02-05T08:19:12.873" UserDisplayName="user15706" />
  <row Id="3813" PostId="2326" Score="3" Text="@DedicatedAnt It may need a certain amount of reputation to post there, but if you stopped creating a new account every time you logged in, you'd probably have collected some by now." CreationDate="2014-02-05T08:21:25.083" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3814" PostId="2326" Score="0" Text="You need at least 5 reputation to post in meta." CreationDate="2014-02-05T08:22:35.773" UserId="15697" />
  <row Id="3815" PostId="2326" Score="0" Text="I upvoted this question so you can now post in meta." CreationDate="2014-02-05T08:22:54.933" UserId="15697" />
  <row Id="3816" PostId="2326" Score="0" Text="Which Ant easily has accross all accounts" CreationDate="2014-02-05T08:23:08.073" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3817" PostId="2326" Score="2" Text="@DedicatedAnt worth a read if you're confused about off- and on-topic: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help" CreationDate="2014-02-05T08:24:20.080" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3818" PostId="2326" Score="2" Text="@DedicatedAnt pay special attention to: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/closed-questions and maybe discuss what you're sensing here: http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler" CreationDate="2014-02-05T08:28:28.177" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3820" PostId="2326" Score="0" Text="@DedicatedAnt The fun part is that your original question with a slight edit is only one vote away from re-opening and already has an answer the community deems useful." CreationDate="2014-02-05T13:58:33.663" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3821" PostId="2329" Score="2" Text="FWIW a lot of more concrete questions like that have been [asked and answered in knowledge-transfer tag at Programmers.SE](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/knowledge-transfer?sort=frequent&amp;pageSize=50)" CreationDate="2014-02-05T16:47:30.273" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3851" PostId="2329" Score="0" Text="If you left off the words &quot;as a developer concepter&quot; it would look like several other questions on Workplace, and thus would seem to fit." CreationDate="2014-02-06T18:32:33.970" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3824" PostId="2331" Score="14" Text="This is exciting and looks amazing Stéphane!" CreationDate="2014-02-05T17:56:20.600" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3825" PostId="2331" Score="0" Text="I personally concept site looks great!  I was going to post it as an answer but I have nothing to add beyond that.  Way to knock this out of the park for us!" CreationDate="2014-02-05T18:08:55.467" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3826" PostId="2331" Score="7" Text="Very nice!!  Also, yay new designer!  Welcome to SE, Stéphane." CreationDate="2014-02-05T18:13:34.203" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3827" PostId="2331" Score="1" Text="_&quot;origami icon for the “O” letter&quot;_ -- O! O-O-O!!! Fantastic!" CreationDate="2014-02-05T18:15:37.847" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3828" PostId="2331" Score="0" Text="Sweet!!!!!!!!!!!" CreationDate="2014-02-05T18:24:30.807" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3829" PostId="2331" Score="1" Text="I don't get the &quot;O&quot; - what is this supposed to represent?" CreationDate="2014-02-05T18:34:11.733" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="3830" PostId="2331" Score="3" Text="@Shog9 - I immediately thought of teamwork and cooperation.  I see the top representing management and the bottom color the employees and the blue lines being the questions that get asked here about dealing with them.  But thats just my interpretation" CreationDate="2014-02-05T18:41:34.997" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3831" PostId="2331" Score="1" Text="@Shog9: gnat seems to be making an [Office Space](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g4pKPh4SNs) reference.  But that doesn't seem to be the purpose of the design." CreationDate="2014-02-05T18:44:59.527" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="3833" PostId="2331" Score="2" Text="Looks fantastic!   I love the water cooler graphic." CreationDate="2014-02-05T19:26:00.800" UserId="14047" />
  <row Id="3834" PostId="2331" Score="11" Text="robots AND coffee?  I'm in." CreationDate="2014-02-05T20:21:54.960" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="3835" PostId="2331" Score="0" Text="O-o-o simply clicked on me - I thought, yeah, that's how I feel about this site - I love it! @JonEricson but now that you mentioned it, I think theory about Office Space makes even better sense than that :)" CreationDate="2014-02-05T22:34:43.907" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3838" PostId="2331" Score="11" Text="As an incidental remark, next time you're doing a mockup, use *example.net* as the fake e-mail address, not *mydomain.com*. The *example* domains (.com, .net, and .org) are reserved for use in documentation, while *mydomain.com* is an actual company reselling domains." CreationDate="2014-02-06T00:24:18.790" UserId="362" />
  <row Id="3844" PostId="2331" Score="5" Text="Thanks everyone for your feedback! I'm glad you like it!&#xA;&#xA;@TRiG I didn't know that. Good to know!" CreationDate="2014-02-06T08:41:11.937" UserId="13131" />
  <row Id="3866" PostId="2331" Score="1" Text="The red swingline stapler 404 page is a work of genius, I salute you!" CreationDate="2014-02-10T02:36:37.627" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="3872" PostId="2331" Score="0" Text="OT: Paging @TRiG... a bounty on [this question about formatting URLs](http://writers.stackexchange.com/q/10229/1993) is expiring in 12 hours and it occurs to me that the question might be right up your alley." CreationDate="2014-02-11T18:06:35.720" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3873" PostId="2331" Score="2" Text="Small typo on CAPTCHA page: **ARE YOU A HUMAIN** [sic] **BEING?**" CreationDate="2014-02-11T22:28:27.103" UserId="36" />
  <row Id="3941" PostId="2331" Score="0" Text="@AbbyT.Miller Perhaps they want to know if you're a humane being? (If so I think they need a different test than a CAPTCHA.)" CreationDate="2014-02-20T10:43:34.450" UserId="13605" />
  <row Id="3942" PostId="2331" Score="0" Text="Love the little icons at the top of the page and the lost stapler on the 404 :)" CreationDate="2014-02-20T10:44:16.267" UserId="13605" />
  <row Id="3943" PostId="2331" Score="0" Text="Is the square O going to be the logo that replaces the &quot;TW&quot; beta logo? Or did I miss what that mini-logo's going to be?" CreationDate="2014-02-20T10:45:35.897" UserId="13605" />
  <row Id="3977" PostId="2331" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneMartin great design. Is your name pronounced same as `Stephen`?" CreationDate="2014-02-21T01:26:49.480" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="3987" PostId="2331" Score="0" Text="@user13107 almost ;)" CreationDate="2014-02-21T08:26:55.907" UserId="13131" />
  <row Id="3832" PostId="2332" Score="10" Text="I'm totally for TPing Shog9's house." CreationDate="2014-02-05T19:21:09.083" UserId="202" />
  <row Id="3836" PostId="2333" Score="1" Text="Great news Ana! Thanks (and welcome to the SE community team by the way). How many moderators will we have, and when will elections be?" CreationDate="2014-02-05T23:20:09.387" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3837" PostId="2333" Score="0" Text="Thank you @jmac! We typically elect three moderators, and you can expect to see the election take place a few weeks after the site design goes live." CreationDate="2014-02-06T00:04:50.097" UserId="11118" />
  <row Id="3839" PostId="2333" Score="2" Text="Is that number negotiable? We have a very large volume of traffic for a beta site and post-graduation with the increase in reputation required for privileges, our community will lose a large amount of community moderation (especially for protection and closing of questions). Not saying we necessarily need more than 3, but it would be nice to know if we had the option if desired." CreationDate="2014-02-06T00:32:06.303" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3840" PostId="2333" Score="3" Text="@jmac - Generally, most SE sites graduate with 3, and if there's a need for more, the community team either pulls the next runner up or holds another election. Additionally, we'll need to rely heavily on flagging until more people hit the privilege thresholds to vote to close, reopen, and delete." CreationDate="2014-02-06T04:10:30.137" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3841" PostId="2333" Score="3" Text="@jmort, I think day-to-day should be fine. I am worried that when a hot question hits if our moderator is one of our high-rep users, the moderation burden will be a bit overwhelming. I would also anticipate that as soon as we graduate, we will get a lot more traffic all of a sudden which will likely tax our budding community moderation as an official site. I guess we'll see, but I'd love to start off on the right foot." CreationDate="2014-02-06T04:14:08.383" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3843" PostId="2335" Score="1" Text="Fully agreed with all but the last paragraph. I'm (relatively) sure that in the US it is illegal to deny breaks (particularly bathroom breaks) to employees entirely, but that may not be the case in other countries. If a manager from Nobreakistan asks how he can deal with an employee that takes too-frequent bathroom breaks, I don't think it should be closed because the question would be an issue in the US. US members are free to downvote and/or ignore it, but closing it because it offends our sensitivities is a slippery slope for our content." CreationDate="2014-02-06T05:53:06.897" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3845" PostId="2335" Score="0" Text="@Jmac - I was thinking more blatantly criminally illegal rather than something that may violate some statute." CreationDate="2014-02-06T09:09:09.707" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3848" PostId="2335" Score="0" Text="And where is the line between 'blatantly criminally illegal' and 'violating some statute'. For instance, much of Southeast Asia has the death penalty for trafficking in even smaller amounts of drugs. I would call that 'violating some statute' in the US considering the current climate regarding drugs. And even less so in the UK. That doesn't mean that we should have people from Indonesia or Malaysia or Singapore coming in and closing any question that mentions drug tests or the like as it is blatantly illegal *to them*. Perspective goes both ways, and all that jazz." CreationDate="2014-02-06T15:19:14.767" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3849" PostId="2335" Score="0" Text="(Mind, drug possession has nothing to do with TWP and would be closed as off-topic on that basis. Just using this as an example where the line between 'blatantly illegal' and 'violating some statute' is blurred. I think the same issue applies to a question about beating children with a switch asked on parenting.se. That may horrify Americans, but it's a part of discipline in Singapore schools are not even a violation of some statute. Downvote? Sure. But close? I think that is a fine line to try to tread and I'm going to avoid it personally. Your close vote is your own, naturally)" CreationDate="2014-02-06T15:21:10.977" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3850" PostId="2335" Score="0" Text="@jmac - I do not know how a blatantly illegal question could be on topic here, and I do not want to encourage anyone by suggesting some.  But I think most of us know it when we see it.  Is the question one that might be reasonable to ask?  I also think that history of the person asking it comes into play.  A new user or one with a history ofposting bad questions gets less slack than someone like Beth or Monica" CreationDate="2014-02-06T15:50:10.977" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11871" PostId="2335" Score="0" Text="Your first two paragraphs are great, but your third paragraph completely misses the fact that **there are *always* underlying goals.**  Socrates-style, the advice might be: acknowledge the question and then ask, &quot;Why do you want to do that?&quot; over and over until the answer isn't a *doingness* anymore." CreationDate="2017-03-03T00:53:14.030" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="11890" PostId="2335" Score="0" Text="@wildcard - They &quot;Underlying&quot; or hidden goals are not something this site should be concerned about in 99% of the cases.  Certianly if a question has a &quot;stink&quot; of trying to accomplish  one thing but saying its something else or is really just being asked to make a point it is ok to point that out in comments, and close the question.  Answers are not a place to address that." CreationDate="2017-03-03T16:13:04.783" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3860" PostId="2337" Score="1" Text="Just a note to non-regulars, Workplace.SE tends to use these flags differently than the majority of the SE network does." CreationDate="2014-02-07T18:42:26.810" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3863" PostId="2337" Score="0" Text="@enderland: Right, and people should know that the flagging norms have changed since the inception of the site." CreationDate="2014-02-08T00:01:33.913" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4529" PostId="2337" Score="0" Text="related / duplicate: [When/how should I flag content as 'very low quality' or 'not an answer'?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2560/when-how-should-i-flag-content-as-very-low-quality-or-not-an-answer)" CreationDate="2014-04-10T07:26:00.347" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4530" PostId="2337" Score="1" Text="Thanks @gnat, related, not duplicate (the other one references this one, if I added all the content from here in to that one, it would be incredibly long so I've broken it up, we can always combine them later if called for)." CreationDate="2014-04-10T07:35:11.780" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3852" PostId="2338" Score="0" Text="I'd be happy to flag per guidance you drafted. :) I think it is worth adding a reference to network-wide policy on these flags (http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/not-an-answer/info), along with explanation how it &quot;interplays&quot; with our site-specific details. Also, I'd add and stress that it is considered a responsibility of the flagger to ensure that moderator has easy access to the evidence needed to evaluate flag..." CreationDate="2014-02-07T07:48:27.883" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3853" PostId="2338" Score="2" Text="...say, if one spots a me-too crap that echoes one of say, 15 other answers, it is not reasonable to expect that moderator will study all 15 other answers to find which one was echoed. In cases like this, it makes more sense to use &quot;Other&quot; flag, carrying needed details in the message, or to add an easy visible comment explaining the issue prior to flagging as Not An answer" CreationDate="2014-02-07T07:48:44.010" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3854" PostId="2338" Score="0" Text="So how does this relate to &quot;[When asked 'How can I foo the bar?' is 'Don't foo the bar' an appropriate answer?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2321/when-asked-how-can-i-foo-the-bar-is-dont-foo-the-bar-an-appropriate-answer)&quot;? Is it only okay to explain that the asker *shouldn't do something* when also explaining *how to do it*?" CreationDate="2014-02-07T10:43:23.303" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3855" PostId="2338" Score="1" Text="Potential confusion, an answer should 'Providing additional information not covered by other answers' but shouldnt say 'I agree with everything that Alice said. I just want to add'&#xA;&#xA;Think we should clarify that answers need to be standalone, i.e if it was just the question and the given answer, would it fully answer the question and still make sense if no other answers were posted" CreationDate="2014-02-07T11:05:30.500" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3856" PostId="2338" Score="0" Text="This is a moderator-caliber answer, written by someone who genuinely cares. Thanks, jmac." CreationDate="2014-02-07T12:13:05.500" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3899" PostId="2338" Score="1" Text="@gnat - Yes! I would love that. If it's not immediately obvious why the post is not an answer, either flag as other, or leave a comment on the post explaining how to improve the post. I do look at comments when investigating flags, but if for whatever reason you don't want to comment, then &quot;Other&quot; is a good option. Just remember other 2k-ers won't see &quot;Other&quot; flags, so use sparingly or only when needed." CreationDate="2014-02-15T21:11:22.570" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3857" PostId="2340" Score="5" Text="Thanks :). For the error page (Something bad happened) I think everyone will understand. It's not a matter of coffee cup, it's a matter of an error that occurred and I think this illustration conveys the idea of a malfunction. What do you think about this?" CreationDate="2014-02-07T13:36:54.223" UserId="13131" />
  <row Id="3858" PostId="2340" Score="0" Text="I understand what you are shooting for here, but I'm not sure the illustration on its own conveys the message you are intending. I think it's too subtle. I'm not a graphic designer and if it were my site, I'd request a different image. But as evidenced by your terrific designs, you are the expert here!" CreationDate="2014-02-07T13:56:53.667" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3859" PostId="2340" Score="0" Text="I actually didn't understand that image myself, until Joe said what it was. It probably doesn't help that I don't really drink coffee, nor does my office have the two cup variety. The &quot;Something Bad Happened&quot; text was clear enough so I doubt many people would miss the purpose of the page, but I just wanted to put it out there. @StephaneMartin, these designs are incredible!" CreationDate="2014-02-07T17:34:44.997" UserId="5168" />
  <row Id="3861" PostId="2340" Score="2" Text="I love the stapler for 404." CreationDate="2014-02-07T18:48:00.427" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3862" PostId="2340" Score="1" Text="The image doesnt need to do all the talking though... fortunately there is text that spells it all out :)" CreationDate="2014-02-07T22:20:10.910" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3864" PostId="2340" Score="2" Text="It could be a cultural thing, but the broken coffee maker screams OMG NO!! for me. As @Chad said, we may not find the perfect image to suit all backgrounds, but luckily we also have text to go with it." CreationDate="2014-02-08T19:10:13.900" UserId="202" />
  <row Id="3867" PostId="2341" Score="2" Text="Good eye, Rachel." CreationDate="2014-02-11T02:00:01.570" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3870" PostId="2341" Score="2" Text="Hi @Rachel, thanks for your feedback.&#xA;&#xA;I'm currently coding the site and I change a lot of small details which are too light / too small in order not to have any problem with real data. I've changed a lot of light gray, I think this will resolve all our issues! For the word &quot;share&quot;, this was a typo, thanks!" CreationDate="2014-02-11T10:43:03.590" UserId="13131" />
  <row Id="3881" PostId="2341" Score="0" Text="@StéphaneMartin Thanks! Good to know you're on top of things :) My biggest problem was with the all-caps in various places, as usually caps are associated with yelling on the internet, and I find them hard/annoying to read when used in a non-header context. Is that something you will be fixing too, or is that a deliberate design decision?" CreationDate="2014-02-12T16:53:04.280" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="3886" PostId="2341" Score="0" Text="@Rachel I don't think all-cap used in labels means screaming, if used in a long sentence, yes. All-cap here is used for stylistic reasons I don't think it looks bad." CreationDate="2014-02-13T18:31:04.100" UserId="202" />
  <row Id="3887" PostId="2341" Score="0" Text="@Jin I guess I could get used to the all-caps if I had to :) I mostly don't like it because it draws my attention to areas that I don't think are worth the drawing extra attention to, such as the &quot;META&quot; links, and the user/timestamp on posts. I also get used to see user names in a specific casing, and seeing them in all caps looks very weird to me." CreationDate="2014-02-13T19:37:24.103" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="3940" PostId="2341" Score="0" Text="I agree with you about the capitals. Especially if @StéphaneMartin's intent is to make it less serious. All caps don't say &quot;friendly and welcoming&quot; to me. I love the general feel of the site though." CreationDate="2014-02-20T10:41:48.457" UserId="13605" />
  <row Id="3889" PostId="2345" Score="1" Text="I think those questions should be edited to ask how to get a job at a company that has x, y, z features, and using the company name as an example. For example, instead of asking *&quot;How can I get an interview at IBM&quot;* it should ask *&quot;How can I get an interview for a giant company with a global presence, such as IBM?&quot;*. Those answers are not company-specific, but still have enough data to get an answer that would be specific to that company's unique circumstances." CreationDate="2014-02-13T19:42:36.677" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="3888" PostId="2346" Score="2" Text="I would rather see the question asked by being specific about what makes Disney's case special, using them as an example, instead of specifically targeting Disney." CreationDate="2014-02-13T19:39:43.053" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="3885" PostId="2347" Score="2" Text="It would seem to be easier for questioners to understand the rules if there is a consistent policy, rather than &quot;No, but there is one exception&quot;." CreationDate="2014-02-13T16:43:37.207" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3900" PostId="2348" Score="2" Text="This is discussing what an appropriate answer is, not what an appropriate question is. *&quot;Have you stopped beating your wife?&quot;* is a totally red herring in this discussion, and does not accurately reflect the type of question this is referring to at all (nor the type of question that would be considered on-topic on SE in general). In the question I link, the manager was told to make the developers punctual. It wasn't, &quot;What should I do?&quot; or &quot;What should software companies set as policy on punctuality?&quot; Ignoring the question asked should not be something we approve of here." CreationDate="2014-02-17T01:42:15.910" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3902" PostId="2348" Score="3" Text="@jmac: I don't understand your first objection.  You clearly asked about appropriate answers, which I discussed, not appropriate questions.  I never said &quot;Have you stopped beating your wife?&quot; was a question that could appear on an SE site; its purpose is to be an example of a question where a good answer can't literally address the question, where a good answer has to challenge the assumption(s) in the question.  From reading the question, it doesn't appear the manager was told to make them punctual, it looks like something he decided to do himself." CreationDate="2014-02-17T04:31:45.663" UserId="8846" />
  <row Id="3903" PostId="2348" Score="2" Text="Finally, I agree with you that &quot;Ignoring the question asked should not be something we approve of here.&quot;  However, that isn't what I'm advocating here, nor do I think that that's what was done in the question you link.  If we were to make all answers contain a literal answer to the literal question, whether or not that makes sense, all we'd get is answers that have a token literal answer tacked on solely to fulfill that rule.  Tacking on &quot;Well, you could just fire everybody, not that that would solve your problems&quot; would save all those answers, but not add anything." CreationDate="2014-02-17T04:46:22.897" UserId="8846" />
  <row Id="3904" PostId="2348" Score="3" Text="In real life, there are limitations on what we can do. This is why we are strict on &quot;Just Quit&quot; answers. Just because it may solve the problem doesn't mean it's a realistic solution. For whatever reason, this person wants developers to be punctual. You can state that it shouldn't be required if you'd like, but for all you know his bosses could have said, *&quot;Have them come in on time or you're fired.&quot;* In that case, all the alternatives in the world won't help. People will find this question via google presumably because they are looking for an answer. If there is no answer, our value drops." CreationDate="2014-02-17T04:54:57.210" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3905" PostId="2348" Score="2" Text="Tacking on an answer saying 'just fire everyone' would violate our [back it up rule](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/255/). If the only way to get developers to be punctual is to fire them all, then explain why, give reasoning, and explain what alternatives may have better success. I am not proposing that we start allowing poor answers that follow some rule, I want to ensure that the information we have will be useful to people with that question in the future so we build a better resource." CreationDate="2014-02-17T04:57:17.433" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3906" PostId="2348" Score="1" Text="@jmac: If he had been told by his bosses to make them punctual or be fired, it would have been a very different question.  If someone finds this question by googling, but is in the uncomfortable position of having his job on the line and not having a choice in the matter, he will realize relatively quickly that this is a different question than his.  That's not really a failure of this site; there are plenty of questions that resemble other questions without answering the other question that wasn't actually asked." CreationDate="2014-02-17T05:24:48.117" UserId="8846" />
  <row Id="3907" PostId="2348" Score="0" Text="You don't seem to think that non-literal answers are valuable, and that if someone were in the same position as that manager were to find the question, they wouldn't be helped by the answers.  I disagree.  He would understand his developers' reactions better, he would likely try to establish a culture of trust, he might avoid losing good people, he might gain his team's respect.  If there were a good reason for establishing punctuality, there are suggestions that would help him get them to buy in, and if not, he could decide to avoid all the potential problems by not insisting on it." CreationDate="2014-02-17T05:37:11.530" UserId="8846" />
  <row Id="3908" PostId="2348" Score="4" Text="Non-literal answers are valuable *if accompanied by a literal answer to contrast why the non-literal approach is better*. If you do not know how to get developers to be punctual, then I strongly feel you should not answer the question. You assume these are 'good people'. You assume there isn't a 'culture of trust'. You assume that he doesn't have his team's respect. All for the sake of telling him what you would want him to do if he were your manager. That does not make it a good answer no matter how much you personally believe it because it doesn't explain how to solve the problem." CreationDate="2014-02-17T05:41:08.040" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3909" PostId="2348" Score="0" Text="You are presuming that the problem is what that manager thought it was.  The problem really was that the manager was trying to impose punctuality on his team without a good reason why, resulting in a lack of buy-in.  Non-literal answers that addressed the real problem were deservedly voted to the top.  Requiring a tacked-on literal answer for no reason would not improve those answers.  The question asker misidentified the problem.  Handcuffing the question answerers to the literal question asked would have prevented them from being as helpful as they were." CreationDate="2014-02-17T06:51:25.263" UserId="8846" />
  <row Id="3910" PostId="2348" Score="4" Text="*&quot;The question asker misidentified the problem&quot;* -- bollocks. Allow me to be blunt. The author in this case supplied us with a follow-up. 2/5 members were let go. The remaining ones are coming in on time. The asker has been promoted and given a new similar assignment. It seems like he successfully identified the problem, fixed it, and was rewarded for it. Bringing up the red herring of tacking on answers is beside the point. If you cannot provide guidance to the author, comment to clarify, or pass on providing an answer. Belittling the asker because you disagree is not kosher in my book." CreationDate="2014-02-17T07:41:55.050" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3911" PostId="2348" Score="0" Text="He claimed it was a problem, was challenged on it, and *could not show why*.  He put a positive spin on the results, but his actions cost his company two people (and their knowledge of the code and business), while gaining him *nothing*.  Telling someone that they're wrong is not belittling them.  If someone clearly misidentifies the problem, then we are doing them a disservice if we don't say so, or if we cloud the issue with tacked-on answers that address the misidentified problem, instead of the real one." CreationDate="2014-02-17T16:15:52.230" UserId="8846" />
  <row Id="3912" PostId="2348" Score="3" Text="Maybe you think he gained nothing (despite being promoted) or that this hurt the company (which is 100% speculation on your part). Does that help achieve the goal of being a better resource? If not, I urge you to rethink your premises. Answers are not to share your own agenda with the asker, they are to provide quality answers to the question asked. If you cannot do that, [I will flag the answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2337/7945)." CreationDate="2014-02-17T23:56:03.170" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3913" PostId="2348" Score="1" Text="It is not speculation that his actions cost the company something significant, but it is speculation that he was promoted for his handling of working hours.  His actions cost the company 40% of his team, along with all their accumulated knowledge of the business and the codebase, required recruiting 2 more people, and then required getting the new people up to speed -- which likely required taking a significant amount of time from the remaining programmers.  Was this price worth paying?  We know that when he was asked why, he couldn't give a convincing reason, so likely it wasn't." CreationDate="2014-02-18T06:01:41.857" UserId="8846" />
  <row Id="3914" PostId="2348" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure what answer you're thinking of flagging.  If you're thinking of flagging the answer you link to in your question, be sure to look at the comment on that answer by CurtainDog.  I did not write that answer, but I don't think it is there just to &quot;share an agenda&quot;, but to answer the question in a way that helps the asker.  If you're thinking of flagging my answer to your question ... why?  Is it unclear?  If so, what specifically is hard to follow?" CreationDate="2014-02-18T06:19:51.290" UserId="8846" />
  <row Id="3915" PostId="2348" Score="5" Text="In general, I will flag any answer that won't answer the question. If you answered a question insisting on sharing why you think the asker is wrong without making an attempt to answer the question they asked, I will flag it as not an answer in line with the above post. You seem to think it's okay to not answer the question. I don't. The community will end up deciding in the end, but speculating on the inner business workings of a company is far more effort (for far less benefit) than just answering the question, or voting and moving on if you can't." CreationDate="2014-02-18T06:37:34.290" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3916" PostId="2348" Score="0" Text="If you think that's what I think, then you either haven't read my answer to your question, or you didn't understand it.  If you didn't bother to read it, I would invite you to do so.  If you didn't understand it, then I would appreciate if you would say what was confusing or unclear.  I don't know why you are talking about speculating: I have talked about the fact of replacing 2 developers, not my speculations.  The answers to the question you object to *have* been approved by the community, with the top 7 answers having upvote counts from over a dozen to over a hundred." CreationDate="2014-02-18T07:49:24.877" UserId="8846" />
  <row Id="3917" PostId="2348" Score="2" Text="While we welcome anyone to participate in our meta, it generally helps if you have a good grasp of our community. That question has *not* been approved by the community, it is a symptom of [the hot question list](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/217573/) which is why we are [trying to clean it up](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2315/7945). The goal is not to discuss that one question, but the general principle it exhibits -- people not answering the question asked. As you can see from the answers above, the community feels questions should be answered." CreationDate="2014-02-18T08:02:46.273" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3919" PostId="2348" Score="1" Text="Take a look at the stats you give in your 'cleaning up' answer.  It appears that of the top 7 answers (which I consider good answers), 6 of them gained votes while the question was being targeted for cleanup.  That is the sign of a *good* answer to the question that the community approves of, not a flood of noobs randomly clicking buttons.  I think the question was good too, and I think the fact that it's listed as +72 in your stats but at +79 now bears that out.  It looks like a good question with good answers at the top, with a little bit of chaff at the bottom." CreationDate="2014-02-18T08:58:29.030" UserId="8846" />
  <row Id="3920" PostId="2348" Score="0" Text="Since you seem to think I support 'not answering the question', let me ask one last time: do you understand my answer to your question?  I know you disagree with it, but did you understand what I said?  If not, I would appreciate feedback, so I can improve it.  If so, please stop telling me that I want to allow non-answers when it clearly isn't true." CreationDate="2014-02-18T09:04:38.837" UserId="8846" />
  <row Id="3924" PostId="2348" Score="4" Text="We always answer the literal question, answering the non-literal is optional / additional. This is because even if the original asker was asking the wrong question, future searchers might not be, and it would lead to an aggravating situation where every question they found that matched their terms was answering the non-literal question. Therefore always answer the literal with your knowledge, if you then wish to answer the non-literal that can be done so too to provide additional value and help to all searchers" CreationDate="2014-02-18T10:21:22.297" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3925" PostId="2348" Score="5" Text="To summarise, we are not saying 'never answer the non-literal' we encourage you to do so, but please also answer the literal, as that is, after all the question, that is being asked. Hope this clears things up!" CreationDate="2014-02-18T10:22:47.207" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="8214" PostId="2348" Score="1" Text="@jmac To say that because the OP accomplished what he set out to do that therefore he &quot;correctly identified the problem&quot; and &quot;fixed it&quot; does not follow at all. If someone says that his employees are quitting because a competitor is using mind control rays, and how do I make tin foil hats to protect them, I wouldn't say that because he has successfully made tin foil hats and forced them to wear them means that he has &quot;correctly identified the problem&quot; and &quot;fixed it&quot;. Maybe he's solved the problem of how to make tin foil hats, but I really doubt he has &quot;correctly identified the problem&quot;." CreationDate="2016-01-08T15:51:09.220" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="8215" PostId="2348" Score="0" Text="@jmac I'm puzzled by your assertion that the correct answer to &quot;I want to do X, how can I do it?&quot; must also answer &quot;my boss is requiring me to do X, how can I do it?&quot; because someone in the latter situation might search the site and come across this answer. So ... answers must be responsive not only to the question asked, but also to every possible similar or related question? That's a tall order." CreationDate="2016-01-08T15:54:41.497" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="11948" PostId="2348" Score="0" Text="@Jay In both of the examples you gave, the literal question is &quot;How can I do X?&quot; and the reason behind wanting to do X is background information (which may help answer the question, but is not the question). You must address the literal question in some way, or else it's not answering the question. Jmac's point is that it's not for us to assume the background information, but rather answer the question asked in the best way possible." CreationDate="2017-03-10T00:24:18.047" UserId="46195" />
  <row Id="11949" PostId="2348" Score="0" Text="@era But if the question is based on a faulty premise, an answer that doesn't address that premise could be worse than useless. It encourages the asker to continue with the faulty premise. Yes, it's true that someone attempting to answer may be wrong in thinking the premise is faulty because he's making assumptions about the background that are incorrect. But you could say similar things about any answer. A direct answer might be misleading or inappropriate because the poster makes incorrect assumptions about background information. In either case the solution is for the asker to clarify." CreationDate="2017-03-10T14:16:33.187" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="3893" PostId="2349" Score="2" Text="This is now unlocked, if you'd like to make some edits." CreationDate="2014-02-14T17:29:33.217" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3894" PostId="2349" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/19283/how-much-am-i-expected-to-know-as-a-student-co-op#comment47838_19283" CreationDate="2014-02-14T17:38:11.327" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3897" PostId="2349" Score="0" Text="@enderland side note, removed my half of the comments discussing its validity, if you'd like to do the same" CreationDate="2014-02-15T08:28:51.887" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3934" PostId="2349" Score="0" Text="Nice save man!!" CreationDate="2014-02-19T21:31:12.273" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3918" PostId="2352" Score="1" Text="Whilst people may be looking for the information, and we may have resources such as chad who are able to answer it, that doesn't mean that it is part of the sites scope. 'How do I get a job at X' just doesn't seem like something we should be accepting as in-scope" CreationDate="2014-02-18T08:35:10.250" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3921" PostId="2352" Score="0" Text="To summarise: Questions about a specific company? Sure, if it fits in scope then your above answer applies, but any questions on 'How do I get a job at x' should be out of scope, we are not a hiring or recruiting agency and only the company in question should be providing that information, especially as recruitment processes in a company can and do change" CreationDate="2014-02-18T09:24:56.867" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3922" PostId="2352" Score="1" Text="@Rhys &quot;How do I get a job at&quot; is a poor question, but why would &quot;How does Netflix evaluate employees?&quot; be a bad question (since Netflix does have a very different HR policy)?" CreationDate="2014-02-18T09:54:50.917" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3923" PostId="2352" Score="0" Text="'How does netflix evaluate employees' fine, but the question in question isnt 'How does disney evaluate employees', the asker said they looked it up on disney, found how they needed to do it, couldnt do that, so came here to ask us if there is another way they can apply to disney other than disneys outlined policies, i dont see why that is on topic to be honest" CreationDate="2014-02-18T10:11:58.477" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3927" PostId="2352" Score="0" Text="If we accept company-specific questions about one company, we should accept them for all. That could amount to quite a few unanswered (or poorly answered) questions, as there are many companies out there in the vast wilderness." CreationDate="2014-02-18T17:49:34.883" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3928" PostId="2352" Score="1" Text="@Rhys, fully agreed that the question as asked wasn't a good question, but I figured the goal was to tackle the more general question. And I think in general, asking about certain companies is perfectly okay for the reasons I outlined (given, of course, that the question itself is on-topic in all other ways)." CreationDate="2014-02-18T23:35:12.790" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3929" PostId="2352" Score="1" Text="@Joe, totally agreed. I think that in general, most companies do not need that level of specificity (because the rules would be generally applicable to most other companies). If ACME, Inc. is just like most other companies in their hiring practices, editing out ACME, Inc. will be just as useful (and we should encourage that and/or do it ourselves). In the case that there are company-specific aspects to the question that are not widely applicable, that should be allowable at any rate but must be made clear how they are different when asked (or clarified through comment)." CreationDate="2014-02-18T23:37:03.720" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3935" PostId="2352" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere - I do not have a problem with questions about a specific company provided the answers to those questions would be dramatically different than from the normal expectations of the corporate world.  We already have a few questions about the Google way." CreationDate="2014-02-19T21:36:00.517" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3926" PostId="2353" Score="3" Text="see detailed explanation at MSO: [What does “user was removed” mean and why did my reputation change because of it?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/126470/165773)" CreationDate="2014-02-18T15:41:58.277" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3930" PostId="2354" Score="0" Text="I have seen many people on many different SE-network sites asking the same thing the past couple days. My guess is that a script was run that cleaned up some users recently, and that is the cause of the hubbub in this case." CreationDate="2014-02-18T23:39:43.917" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3931" PostId="2355" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure there is such a thing as a rule-based way to determine when to negotiate and when not to negotiate. Too many dependencies. It would be interesting to see a draft, but I'm having a hard time picturing one that would provide sufficient detail." CreationDate="2014-02-19T13:44:41.837" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3932" PostId="2355" Score="0" Text="Hi @JoeStrazzere thats understandable, ill draft one up later today and post it as an answer here for an example if that would help" CreationDate="2014-02-19T14:08:52.200" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3933" PostId="2355" Score="0" Text="Many of the questions I've asked here have been questions which I wanted to make a more generic &quot;reference&quot; version of. I know a few others have done similarly and I think it benefits the site to have such &quot;mini cannonical&quot; questions. I frequently find myself referencing some of the ones I've asked to others asking related or even identical questions." CreationDate="2014-02-19T14:20:15.157" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3936" PostId="2355" Score="1" Text="Would that make for a good blog post?" CreationDate="2014-02-19T21:48:15.290" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3986" PostId="2355" Score="0" Text="I was wondering the same thing @jmort253 , do you think that would be more beneficial than a Q&amp;A combo?" CreationDate="2014-02-21T08:26:21.437" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3937" PostId="2356" Score="2" Text="You can also see posts with delete votes in [The Moderator Tools](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/tools)" CreationDate="2014-02-20T04:45:58.730" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3939" PostId="2357" Score="3" Text="Nice list, thanks for all the useful info to consider!" CreationDate="2014-02-20T08:27:10.600" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3966" PostId="2357" Score="2" Text="Congrats on graduation - love the new theme :)" CreationDate="2014-02-20T21:10:12.507" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="4001" PostId="2357" Score="2" Text="We are live!!! Whoo hoo! What nice surprise today." CreationDate="2014-02-21T15:14:03.603" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="3938" PostId="2358" Score="1" Text="For those unsure when to delete please see: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/413/delete-votes-and-you" CreationDate="2014-02-20T08:25:38.800" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3944" PostId="2358" Score="1" Text="Yeah I was going to say, I left a fair number of answers with just a downvote rather than casting a delete vote too." CreationDate="2014-02-20T16:04:37.910" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="3947" PostId="2359" Score="0" Text="It looks like I already voted to close this question. I'm really not sure what happened." CreationDate="2014-02-20T16:46:01.920" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="3962" PostId="2359" Score="0" Text="I voted to close as a dup...  It could have been made constructive but there were already answers that would have been invalidated by the edit..." CreationDate="2014-02-20T18:26:44.180" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3945" PostId="2361" Score="1" Text="&quot;Should I leave my current job for the other?&quot; is functionally equivalent to &quot;Should I take job A or job B?&quot; where A just happens to be your current job. Right?" CreationDate="2014-02-20T16:10:36.063" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3946" PostId="2361" Score="0" Text="Not necessarily. The first question prompts me for my opinion on it *whether you should* do it. The second asks me to *choose from A or B*, not for my opinion on whether you shoul at all. The result may or may not be the same. You might give them a piece of your mind for the second, or just tell them A or B for the first question, but that's besides the point." CreationDate="2014-02-20T16:22:59.427" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3963" PostId="2361" Score="1" Text="&quot;Should I choose to stay at my job A, or go to job B?&quot; I still don't see a fundamental difference." CreationDate="2014-02-20T20:39:45.010" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3965" PostId="2361" Score="0" Text="If that would have been question there would be none. But it's academic. My post is agreeing with you and only suggesting a hypothesis oh why people didn't vote to close." CreationDate="2014-02-20T20:58:00.237" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3948" PostId="2362" Score="0" Text="The OP could have chosen not to accept the answer as well... there was a choice." CreationDate="2014-02-20T16:56:50.567" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3950" PostId="2362" Score="0" Text="@Chad, not if he wanted to mark his question answered (without waiting 24 hours!), as it was." CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:06:54.250" UserId="13535" />
  <row Id="3952" PostId="2362" Score="4" Text="There is no requirement that you mark the question as answered.  There is no penalty for not choosing an answer." CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:07:49.520" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3953" PostId="2362" Score="0" Text="@Chad, marking answered questions as such is a core feature of SE." CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:09:14.527" UserId="13535" />
  <row Id="3954" PostId="2362" Score="4" Text="Only if the answer actually answers you question.  If it does not then the entire SE is better served by leaving the question with out an accepted answer." CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:10:07.263" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3955" PostId="2362" Score="1" Text="Also the OP can choose to change the accepted answer if a better answer is posted later.  Also a core feature of SE." CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:11:21.630" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3959" PostId="2362" Score="0" Text="@Chad, hijacking an answer like that is less preferable than asking the commenter to expand his answer (provided you know the length caused the conversion) or even waiting 24 hours to do it yourself." CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:27:19.710" UserId="13535" />
  <row Id="3960" PostId="2362" Score="0" Text="There was no answer.  Joe posted a comment, then the OP asked him to make it an answer, joe deleted comment and posted expanded content answer.  Then you came here and posted this complaint about something that did not actually happen." CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:34:44.013" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3961" PostId="2362" Score="0" Text="Because the comment was not deleted and the answer did not appear on my screen, despite the new comment not mentioning such happened appearing." CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:40:29.747" UserId="13535" />
  <row Id="3964" PostId="2362" Score="2" Text="The answer was accepted before my comment was turned into an answer (at the behest of the original questioner, I believe). Seems like everything is where it should be now, right? Does it really matter which answer was accepted? It's ok if there is more than one good answer, right? (Many roads can lead to &quot;Success&quot;)" CreationDate="2014-02-20T20:43:51.260" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3949" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="After a reload, i see @JoeStrazzere had already lengthened his answer. [Current (unaccepted) answer.](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/19476/13535)" CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:04:08.343" UserId="13535" />
  <row Id="3951" PostId="2363" Score="2" Text="@CeesTimmerman - Actually Joe originally posted a comment, the OP asked Joe to create an answer.  Joe expanded his comment into an answer in a very productive way.  There was no need for this meta post it seems you misunderstood the situation" CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:07:27.877" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3956" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="@Chad, then there is another bug of showing new comments but not new answers. I have the page i saw after i posted my comment as proof." CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:14:10.737" UserId="13535" />
  <row Id="3957" PostId="2363" Score="2" Text="@CeesTimmerman - Then you should go report that at metaSO right away..." CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:15:44.060" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="3958" PostId="2363" Score="0" Text="@Chad, [Done.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/222261/new-comments-are-loaded-but-not-new-answers) Thanks." CreationDate="2014-02-20T17:24:11.320" UserId="13535" />
  <row Id="3967" PostId="2364" Score="11" Text="Can't thank you enough for the fantastic design!" CreationDate="2014-02-20T21:29:38.880" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3968" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="I love the design, however meta is excessively um... gray. By any chance could we get a bit more color here? :)" CreationDate="2014-02-20T21:43:14.450" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="3969" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="@Rachel yep, we'll be going over the main and meta sites for styling bugs and readability issues. But typically, Meta is always the gray, b/w version of the main site." CreationDate="2014-02-20T22:01:46.003" UserId="202" />
  <row Id="3970" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="Links are really hard to differentiate from the surrounding text here on meta. I very nearly edited this post to hyperlink those images!" CreationDate="2014-02-20T22:07:50.963" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="3971" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 I already pushed a fix for that on dev." CreationDate="2014-02-20T22:09:20.203" UserId="202" />
  <row Id="3972" PostId="2364" Score="1" Text="Excellent, @Jin! And very nice work, Stephane!" CreationDate="2014-02-20T22:10:46.820" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="3973" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="@Jin Thanks :) It still looks good, but I think we're just missing a little gold or red or dull green that I see on most other meta sites." CreationDate="2014-02-20T22:10:57.027" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="3974" PostId="2364" Score="1" Text="@Rachel yeah because the link colors are wrong on meta right now. we'll fix it. I pushed a temp fix, but I'll let Stéphane decide on the final coloring tomorrow." CreationDate="2014-02-20T22:11:51.823" UserId="202" />
  <row Id="3975" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="I LIKE IT!!! :D" CreationDate="2014-02-21T00:21:30.120" UserId="15697" />
  <row Id="3976" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="gorgeous, I will be stoked for a while" CreationDate="2014-02-21T00:25:43.967" UserId="761" />
  <row Id="3989" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="Yayyy, something new for me to marvel at whilst I skive in work" CreationDate="2014-02-21T08:56:51.950" UserId="13940" />
  <row Id="3990" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="It's amazing, well done :)" CreationDate="2014-02-21T09:14:58.063" UserId="10712" />
  <row Id="3992" PostId="2364" Score="1" Text="A thing of beauty!" CreationDate="2014-02-21T13:55:39.700" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="3999" PostId="2364" Score="3" Text="There seems to be scope for some animation/transitioning on the Ask Question button ([gaming.se] has one too). When I mouseover the postit I sort of expect the turned up bit to either be pulled up completely or flattened down. Maybe it's just me, though :)" CreationDate="2014-02-21T17:15:57.530" UserId="135" />
  <row Id="4000" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="To add to Manishearth's point, I expect the &quot;hit box&quot; to be the whole post-it, not just the text." CreationDate="2014-02-21T19:15:32.537" UserId="2173" />
  <row Id="4004" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="Speaking of post-its, the tags somehow &quot;stand out&quot; now. Maybe they could be like post-its as well: smaller, rectangular and with a folded corner. But I'm not domestic at this site, so it's more a suggestion than a strong opinion. Anyways, I love the design, it's as messy on the page as on my table at work! :)" CreationDate="2014-02-23T00:19:19.613" UserId="6133" />
  <row Id="4005" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="Good-looking design. It's curious, though, that all the theme elements seem to relate to office work (or work in general), none specifically to manual labor. Is the latter off-topic? I don't see anything about it at http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic." CreationDate="2014-02-23T06:08:34.387" UserId="795" />
  <row Id="4019" PostId="2364" Score="0" Text="This is, by far, the best design on SE in my opinion. Great job!" CreationDate="2014-02-26T17:28:53.073" UserId="8091" />
  <row Id="3978" PostId="2365" Score="0" Text="reproduced on Windows 7, Firefox 27.0.1" CreationDate="2014-02-21T04:11:40.330" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3979" PostId="2365" Score="0" Text="Reproduced on OS 10.6, Firefox 27.0.1." CreationDate="2014-02-21T04:42:04.900" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3980" PostId="2368" Score="0" Text="I didn't tag &quot;bug&quot; because this might be by design -- that's my question.  If it's not by design then please consider this a bug report." CreationDate="2014-02-21T04:49:35.090" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="3981" PostId="2368" Score="0" Text="Reminds me a bit of a couple other sites, so maybe intentional?" CreationDate="2014-02-21T04:50:16.073" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3982" PostId="2368" Score="2" Text="Workaround for the image issue: upload via another SE site and copy the URL." CreationDate="2014-02-21T04:50:53.373" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3983" PostId="2369" Score="0" Text="This exists on other sites too, like Meta.SO. There is [a related post there](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/212372/top-bar-should-be-consistent-on-all-sites-but-its-not)." CreationDate="2014-02-21T05:01:51.910" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3984" PostId="2369" Score="0" Text="I keep thinking there are no flags because of this. :D" CreationDate="2014-02-21T05:04:17.247" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="3985" PostId="2369" Score="0" Text="♫ There are no flags in the workplace, and the streets are paved with cheese ♫" CreationDate="2014-02-21T05:13:22.313" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4006" PostId="2370" Score="0" Text="What browser/version/OS are you using? I can't reproduce this bug" CreationDate="2014-02-24T09:00:58.937" UserId="13131" />
  <row Id="4010" PostId="2370" Score="0" Text="Windows 7 Japanese, Firefox 27.0.1. It also is reproduced in Chrome. Chances are this is an Asian OS only thing, since they often use different fonts designed for double-byte characters as a default. For Font Family the inspector says *&quot;MS UI Gothic&quot;* which is definitely a Japanese font. And it says the option is `-moz-use-system-font` which would explain it. Changing that in the CSS may fix it." CreationDate="2014-02-24T09:48:06.133" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="3991" PostId="2371" Score="1" Text="Could be related to one being an actual date and the other being a relative date. Either way, I think the smaller one looks better." CreationDate="2014-02-21T13:08:33.353" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3988" PostId="2372" Score="0" Text="Similar to this, scrolling one notch too far in close queue hides the button below the site footer. Or if the post is too short the button is never visible (presumably because of the above issue)" CreationDate="2014-02-21T08:31:41.210" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="3998" PostId="2372" Score="0" Text="Same in the review queue" CreationDate="2014-02-21T15:06:58.677" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4249" PostId="2372" Score="0" Text="Where are you seeing this in /review, @CMW? Screenshot + answer please?" CreationDate="2014-03-25T17:07:21.053" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4250" PostId="2372" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2475/layout-z-order-bug-when-flagging-questions" CreationDate="2014-03-25T17:15:17.650" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="3995" PostId="2373" Score="1" Text="it is a hint that chat room has to be renamed to _Funky Magnet_" CreationDate="2014-02-21T14:54:55.713" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3993" PostId="2375" Score="1" Text="what browser/version/OS are you using? I can't reproduce this in Chrome or Firefox" CreationDate="2014-02-21T14:51:25.977" UserId="202" />
  <row Id="3994" PostId="2375" Score="0" Text="@Jin this is repro to me at FF 27.0.1 Windoze 7 SP 1, both main site and meta" CreationDate="2014-02-21T14:53:12.627" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="3997" PostId="2375" Score="1" Text="Main site and meta, IE9." CreationDate="2014-02-21T14:56:35.910" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="3996" PostId="2376" Score="1" Text="Just tried it out; works fine!" CreationDate="2014-02-21T14:55:44.093" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="4074" PostId="2376" Score="0" Text="This bug is back again..." CreationDate="2014-03-03T04:30:15.700" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4077" PostId="2376" Score="0" Text="What's your browser/os? I don't have this bug on chrome/firefox/safari." CreationDate="2014-03-03T08:10:44.867" UserId="13131" />
  <row Id="4002" PostId="2378" Score="1" Text="Maybe its just me, but the excessive whitespace bothers me a lot and speaks to me of unprofessionalism (since I am a UI developer, and am used to new developers not caring about whitespace and often leaving extra whitespace everywhere)" CreationDate="2014-02-21T21:57:25.067" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="4003" PostId="2383" Score="1" Text="same bug as [this](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2367/suggested-edit-css-bug) or a different one? &quot;The right part is cut off (lines up with the sidebar from the main page)...&quot;" CreationDate="2014-02-22T20:57:42.007" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4596" PostId="2384" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the nice sentiment.  Since this isn't actually a question or proposal, and the election has passed, I'm going to close it now." CreationDate="2014-04-18T22:38:45.853" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4007" PostId="2385" Score="1" Text="This is close to the right place, this question is more likely to be moved to meta.workplace, we can get that done for you now though, so don't worry if it is closed for migration!" CreationDate="2014-02-24T08:40:08.673" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="4008" PostId="2385" Score="11" Text="We actually need *more* questions from non-IT workers!" CreationDate="2014-02-24T08:51:44.077" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4009" PostId="2385" Score="0" Text="IT works post on here as I think we have the easiest access to computers to skive off and check it :P" CreationDate="2014-02-24T09:00:46.363" UserId="13940" />
  <row Id="4011" PostId="2385" Score="4" Text="I would say that the reasons so many questions are about IT and programming are largely historical: one of the main driving forces behind the creation of this site was to provide a home for all the workplace-related questions on the [Programmers' StackExchange](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/). As Jim G said, we need more questions from other fields!!" CreationDate="2014-02-24T10:55:01.713" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="4012" PostId="2385" Score="1" Text="@Carson Also the fact that the StackExchange network started with StackOverflow." CreationDate="2014-02-24T17:19:25.743" UserId="13605" />
  <row Id="4014" PostId="2385" Score="0" Text="Just one thing... WE ARE NOT A FORUM - This is a Q&amp;A site where people can ask questions and get answers to those questions with out the typical chatter that occurs on a forum." CreationDate="2014-02-24T20:48:54.707" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4479" PostId="2387" Score="0" Text="When is the next production build please as I am currently experiencing this?" CreationDate="2014-04-08T15:02:54.143" UserId="9133" />
  <row Id="4508" PostId="2387" Score="0" Text="@MichaelGrubey it's live, do you have still this bug? Could you give me your browser &amp; os please?" CreationDate="2014-04-09T10:18:28.903" UserId="13131" />
  <row Id="4509" PostId="2387" Score="0" Text="Chrome - Version 33.0.1750.154 m and Windows 7 Ultimate." CreationDate="2014-04-09T10:37:20.713" UserId="9133" />
  <row Id="4698" PostId="2387" Score="0" Text="This bug is [not fixed](http://i.stack.imgur.com/15Y9Y.png). FireFox 28.0, Windows 7" CreationDate="2014-05-09T08:19:11.380" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4700" PostId="2387" Score="0" Text="I also still see it occasionally -- not consistently, can't figure out what is causing it  -- in Chrome 34.x on Windows 7 &amp; later 8." CreationDate="2014-05-09T16:28:01.410" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="5842" PostId="2387" Score="0" Text="Hey Stephane, could you take a look back at this when you get a chance? Definitely still happening..." CreationDate="2014-06-05T04:11:17.450" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4022" PostId="2391" Score="0" Text="I posted this because everytime i start to comment I stop and check the start of the comment because it feels like i have extra space there." CreationDate="2014-02-26T19:51:46.213" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4017" PostId="2395" Score="0" Text="Thanks, jmort. Exactly what I meant." CreationDate="2014-02-26T13:03:28.393" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="4015" PostId="2396" Score="1" Text="You know you just wanted to yell at me. YOU KNOW IT." CreationDate="2014-02-25T21:05:54.417" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4026" PostId="2397" Score="0" Text="Verified the change.  Thank you (though if you ever want to consider a small cap font, it would likely fit well too)." CreationDate="2014-02-26T21:25:53.947" UserDisplayName="user10042" />
  <row Id="4016" PostId="2398" Score="1" Text="There is a [meta thread](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/223085/) asking for them to be changed again. Just if anyone wants to see." CreationDate="2014-02-26T02:40:24.243" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4018" PostId="2400" Score="0" Text="Also, the &quot;flags&quot; column in the stats is harder to read. I'm not going to post a screenshot of that section since it's not a public page, but I thought I'd mention it. On beta sites, these are highlighted the same color as the icon-flag counter." CreationDate="2014-02-26T14:35:40.417" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4020" PostId="2400" Score="0" Text="I don't remember seeing this during the Beta phase when I had access to the moderator tools. What does this statistic pertain to?" CreationDate="2014-02-26T18:39:22.837" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4021" PostId="2400" Score="3" Text="@JimG. That's from the diamond mod tools, not the 10k mod tools. It explains what the colors in individual mod stats mean." CreationDate="2014-02-26T19:20:45.003" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="4023" PostId="2400" Score="0" Text="@Yannis: Thank you." CreationDate="2014-02-26T20:49:09.093" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4032" PostId="2401" Score="2" Text="I think that we need a [more comprehensive solution](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2403/improving-the-system-for-dealing-with-poor-answers). Could use your input on that and if you think it will work to solve this problem too." CreationDate="2014-02-27T05:19:03.343" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4025" PostId="2402" Score="3" Text="Short answer: VLQ means the post can't possibly be edited into shape and should just be deleted. Not an answer means it doesn't attempt to answer the question. Next step should be to determine if NAA should apply to answers that don't meet back it up rule guidelines or if we should flag those as &quot;needs citation&quot;. See http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13870646#13870646 for context. I'll write something more substantial later on. :)" CreationDate="2014-02-26T21:12:21.493" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4027" PostId="2402" Score="0" Text="Can you point out an example to two of each?" CreationDate="2014-02-26T21:51:09.840" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4028" PostId="2402" Score="1" Text="Is it kosher to reveal what's been flagged how?  If so I'm happy to do so; just not sure if that's allowed." CreationDate="2014-02-26T22:14:50.063" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4029" PostId="2402" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere http://workplace.stackexchange.com/tools/flagged" CreationDate="2014-02-26T22:42:06.253" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4031" PostId="2402" Score="2" Text="No we aren't, but it is the only tool available to us (short of personal appeal to our mod-overlords) to identify and deal with poor quality posts, especially on hot questions where first-time visitors upvote everything. [I think we need to try a new approach instead](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2403/improving-the-system-for-dealing-with-poor-answers)." CreationDate="2014-02-27T05:01:32.057" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4044" PostId="2402" Score="2" Text="@jmac yes, I understand why people are reaching for the only apparent tool.  But I'm starting to think that (while waiting for the community-annotation feature we'd like), it would be better to use custom flags to request that mods annotate.  As it is, as a 10k user all I can do when presented with one of these flags is to make that request myself -- but the original flagger could have, too.  The flags just pile up in the queue and deter reviewers (or at least some reviewers); it's harder to act on the *real* NAAs and VLQs because of all the other flags." CreationDate="2014-02-27T15:01:13.980" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4048" PostId="2402" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - Our current mods prefer to take a sit and wait to see what the rest of the community thinks before we act tact.  Which is fine, but the only way we can start to rally the community is using flags that the rest of the 10k users can see.  We dont see the custom flags" CreationDate="2014-02-27T16:45:31.377" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4052" PostId="2402" Score="0" Text="compared to SO standards (I have 1K+ helpful flags there, for the record), I would say we're using NAA/VLQ flags very incorrectly, but in the absence of adequate [System for Dealing with Poor Answers](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2403/168) this &quot;incorrect&quot; usage feels **[surprisingly fair](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/14009928#14009928 &quot;'about time to stop the madness when single site forces its norms at the rest of the network, as if it's the same when answer quality can be verified with computer and with human brain only...'&quot;)**" CreationDate="2014-02-27T18:59:00.967" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4528" PostId="2402" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [When/how should I flag content as 'very low quality' or 'not an answer'?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2560/when-how-should-i-flag-content-as-very-low-quality-or-not-an-answer)" CreationDate="2014-04-10T07:24:58.637" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4030" PostId="2403" Score="4" Text="This sounds like a great alternative to either our current use of flags or needing the mods to do everything.  Let the community help, instead of just asking for mods to help.  I get that post notices are supposed to be rare and there is risk of overuse, but what we're doing now isn't working so let's try this for a few months and then re-evaluate." CreationDate="2014-02-27T03:48:22.927" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4038" PostId="2403" Score="0" Text="_&quot;answers over a certain threshold&quot;_ -- amount of answers at half of CW threshold looks worth considering for that" CreationDate="2014-02-27T07:48:15.520" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4040" PostId="2403" Score="0" Text="@gnat, for reference, here is the rough cumulative % of questions by number of answers from [this chart](http://i.stack.imgur.com/1ndha.png): `1, 11%;2,27%;3,45%;4,59%;5,69%;6,80%;7,85%;8,90%;9,92%;10,94%;15,99%` So 8-answers (half of CW) means reviewing 10% of answers, and 5-answers would be 30%." CreationDate="2014-02-27T08:01:51.890" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4041" PostId="2403" Score="0" Text="as a reviewer I certainly prefer 10% over 30; in my experience it takes quite a lot of effort to do thoroughly enough - no matter how much I would want to review 30 (50, 99%), I can realistically commit to only 5-10% (been there done that)" CreationDate="2014-02-27T10:07:58.123" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4057" PostId="2403" Score="0" Text="Regarding steps #3 and #4: I think this might be useful even if the rest of the system isn't. I touch on this briefly here: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/223462/group-link-only-answers-and-veiled-as-answers-answers-into-their-own-category/223470#223470" CreationDate="2014-02-27T22:14:41.403" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4060" PostId="2403" Score="0" Text="@Shog, if you're going to implement #3, I think you need to implement #2 (since regular users can't actually add post notices right now). But otherwise agreed. The goal is to have poor posts: 1) be identified, 2) be given a chance to be improved by the poster/community, 3) be able to be removed if they remain poor and can't be improved" CreationDate="2014-02-27T23:41:52.007" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4033" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="If we can do this manually for a few weeks, it will give great data on how well/poorly the general flow works, and give us better insight in how to implement it on a wider scale when we bring it to meta.so. The only question is whether or not it will significantly (and perhaps excessively) raise the moderation burden prior to new mods being elected. Speaking of which...any news on the timing of the election?" CreationDate="2014-02-27T06:29:10.273" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4034" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="One thought on this workflow is that is is sort of what happens anyway. We see a flagged post that we think could be improved, we leave a comment, and mark it as helpful, and if it isn't improved, sometimes the post gets re-flagged and we then go back and clean it up. By using the post notice filter, we're able to &quot;mark&quot; these posts outside of the flag queue and more easily track them as a community, which means we can come back and review them later but without leaving a pile of flags in the queue and without just hoping someone will accidentally trip over the post again." CreationDate="2014-02-27T06:35:02.457" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4035" PostId="2404" Score="1" Text="Can we add the 'me too' post notice? Or is there no current functionality for custom notices? As for dividing the difference between citations and experiences by tag, I think that is an entirely separate discussion that needs to be had. The issue is that our tags don't fit in as nicely as those related to programming or the like, so we have a serious categorization issue. If we want to be able to make that sort of distinction, we need to find a good way to categorize our questions, and then figure out how to educate users on them." CreationDate="2014-02-27T06:38:45.787" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4036" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="The post notices are canned notices. A good feature request would be to either add to them or edit them, similar to close reasons." CreationDate="2014-02-27T06:41:07.983" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4037" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="Feature-request submitted to meta.so [here](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/223308/) to allow the post notices to be customized for each community." CreationDate="2014-02-27T06:58:53.850" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4039" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="consider tweeting this question, it looks sufficiently important to make an exception (I know meta posts aren't usually tweeted). I've seen this done to some meta posts at Programmers - you can check with their mods or in Teachers Lounge for how this could be done" CreationDate="2014-02-27T07:50:17.153" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4042" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="@gnat -  https://twitter.com/jmort253/status/439047215068098560. The &quot;share&quot; links appear below meta posts too, so they can be shared publicly just like any other post." CreationDate="2014-02-27T14:40:47.773" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4043" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="I meant tweeting from Workplace.SE account, like this P.Se meta post was tweeted from Programmers - http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13956936#13956936 (though _any_ form of promotion is welcome actually)" CreationDate="2014-02-27T14:44:02.283" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4045" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="That happens automatically, @gnat, and besides, the Twitter account has 83 followers, I have about 630. How many do you have? How many are on Stack Exchange? People are more interesting than automated bots. Plus there's more of us. The best way to spread the word about anything is with multiple, networked sharing." CreationDate="2014-02-27T15:07:07.317" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4046" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="I see, that makes sense (I for one already [promoted this post at Whiteboard](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/14009903#14009903):)" CreationDate="2014-02-27T15:13:33.897" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4049" PostId="2404" Score="2" Text="I think there should be a threshold where 3 10K+ users can apply the notices, then the mods can come through review those notices and remove them if they were applied inappropriately.  Otherwise I like it." CreationDate="2014-02-27T16:49:49.897" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4055" PostId="2404" Score="1" Text="@Chad - That's sort of the plan, but the idea is we'd use features we have available to us first to try out the idea and see if it has merit before pushing for official development time." CreationDate="2014-02-27T20:36:28.103" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4056" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="@Jmort253- OK that I can be on board with... I was thinking that was the end goal..." CreationDate="2014-02-27T20:41:38.953" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4110" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="This is a perfect example: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/20103/16 - The answer is actually answering the question asked but does not meet our standards since the question is basically soliciting opinion the answer provides what is asked for.  The original question could potentially be answered objectively with with facts references and experiences.  But this answer just provides the users opinion not even based on their experience just their ideology." CreationDate="2014-03-05T16:54:27.973" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4129" PostId="2404" Score="0" Text="Couple questions that come to mind: What would the rep threshold be for a post notice review queue? Would an edit kick the notice off and remove it from the queue? Would a two-week duration be a sufficient wait period before it entered the VQL review queue? Would upvotes have any effect on how many delete votes would be required to remove the post after the two-week (or whatever long) duration?" CreationDate="2014-03-09T06:40:57.210" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4145" PostId="2404" Score="1" Text="@jmort, in my experience, SE tends to make things easily tweakable regarding numbers. So rather than worry about the nitty gritty details, I would rather outline the system itself and let them implement it based on their infinite experience, and then we can tweak it when we see it in action and figure out what feels right or not. In the meta.so request, I set the post notice privilege at the same level as close votes (as they are analogous), and being flags would be reviewed by 10k+ users." CreationDate="2014-03-11T03:37:00.930" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4047" PostId="2405" Score="1" Text="I think of answers that say &quot;Yes / No that is (not) ok / normal / someothersubjectivejudgement&quot; but have no other valuable context as VLQ.  That is an answer to the question but it is not really salvageable with out writing a completely new answer, which is not salvaging it is writing a new answer." CreationDate="2014-02-27T16:41:14.057" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4084" PostId="2405" Score="0" Text="I NEED to know.. What does that backwards R do?" CreationDate="2014-03-04T15:02:02.573" UserId="15719" />
  <row Id="4085" PostId="2405" Score="2" Text="@RyanS, it's just a shortcut to the post revision history, which is handy if no one has actually edited a post but there's history on the post, like closed, reopened, notice added, etc.  I think it's a userscript I installed from [Stack Apps](http://stackapps.com)." CreationDate="2014-03-04T15:07:24.673" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4070" PostId="2406" Score="1" Text="What browser are you using? I'm not able to reproduce this in Chrome 32.0.1700.107 on OS X." CreationDate="2014-02-28T18:56:18.427" UserId="202" />
  <row Id="4071" PostId="2406" Score="0" Text="Internet Explorer 9" CreationDate="2014-02-28T19:06:49.683" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="4050" PostId="2408" Score="0" Text="I'm going to hijack your answer to ask something different about that indicator. :-)  I'm a mod on two other sites and I never see the box because it only appears at 1070px wide for the window.  My tablet only goes to 1024, and my (vertical) monitor to 1050.  If you could lower the threshold *just a bit more* for that, or help me out with custom CSS or a Greasemonkey script to mitigate, I'd be really grateful!  ([MSO request](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/188628/162102))" CreationDate="2014-02-27T18:06:54.873" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4078" PostId="2408" Score="0" Text="I'll work on this" CreationDate="2014-03-03T08:15:18.573" UserId="13131" />
  <row Id="4079" PostId="2408" Score="0" Text="Thanks very much!" CreationDate="2014-03-03T13:49:32.197" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4058" PostId="2411" Score="0" Text="I am unable to post an image is it just me?" CreationDate="2014-02-27T23:01:42.217" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4059" PostId="2411" Score="0" Text="@Chad What kind of error are you receiving?" CreationDate="2014-02-27T23:12:12.457" UserId="154" />
  <row Id="4062" PostId="2411" Score="0" Text="For anyone looking to design a logo, I suggest we follow [these design guidelines](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2414/design-guidance-for-community-promotion-ads) to make our ads more effective and consistent." CreationDate="2014-02-28T07:21:37.837" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4066" PostId="2411" Score="0" Text="For discussing ideas on what sorts of ads we may want, please refer to [this meta question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2415/community-promotion-ads/2416#2416) to discuss and brainstorm how we can promote our community." CreationDate="2014-02-28T07:36:56.193" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4054" PostId="2412" Score="1" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting." CreationDate="2014-02-27T20:35:48.153" UserId="154" />
  <row Id="4061" PostId="2414" Score="0" Text="This is awesome, jmac, and will help folks bootstrap the ad-creation process." CreationDate="2014-02-28T07:17:04.487" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4063" PostId="2414" Score="0" Text="@jmort, I figured that other people would struggle for the same stuff if they tried to create one, so why have everyone do their own work? Now all we need are some ideas for ads..." CreationDate="2014-02-28T07:24:20.503" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4064" PostId="2414" Score="0" Text="Well, as soon as you and Rhys (or some entrepreneurial spirit) gets that blog up and running, you'll need someone to conceptualize and design some blog ads. :D)" CreationDate="2014-02-28T07:30:39.570" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4065" PostId="2414" Score="1" Text="@jmort, in the meantime I've [created a question for discussing potential ideas](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2415) (while we wait on the blog to get magically finished, of course)" CreationDate="2014-02-28T07:36:00.737" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4120" PostId="2416" Score="0" Text="This is a great idea; it would act an introduction to the site and may also help with SEO if external entities link to it as a resource. So instead of a meta post, I'd strongly suggest creating the post on the main site. It would actually be a rare, real, *legitimate* use of community wiki. It would be a table of contents of sorts, and it would keep meta for what it's intended, for discussions *about* Workplace SE. If you create the post, flag it and I'll CW it." CreationDate="2014-03-07T04:32:33.213" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4121" PostId="2416" Score="0" Text="@jmort, my issue is finding good questions that would fit the bill and compile a bunch of our better questions. A lot of them are from before I joined, so I could really use some help from the community. I will draft up what I can when I get some time, but I hope the rest of the community will pitch in too." CreationDate="2014-03-07T05:08:37.583" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4122" PostId="2416" Score="0" Text="Those first 4 are possibly a good start. In fact, many times less is more. Put too many links on the page, and the content becomes diluted." CreationDate="2014-03-07T05:52:50.833" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4133" PostId="2416" Score="0" Text="@jmort created and flagged [here](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/20323/what-should-i-know-when-applying-for-my-first-job/20324#20324)." CreationDate="2014-03-10T00:13:35.110" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4137" PostId="2416" Score="0" Text="I agree something like this might be useful, but wouldn't it be best to have it on meta? It seems very meta, especially as most of it is just links to other answers, and that way people wont get confused about why that question is acceptable but theirs is not" CreationDate="2014-03-10T08:30:42.873" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="4068" PostId="2417" Score="3" Text="I think the whole MSO point should be dropped. Discussing on the child meta about the feasibility of an option is the default starting point for a proposal - so let's focus on what you're trying to propose, and not about the process of pushing it to MSO." CreationDate="2014-02-28T13:52:05.470" UserId="154" />
  <row Id="4069" PostId="2417" Score="2" Text="To clarify, I see many people on meta sites say &quot;This belongs on MSO.&quot;  Feature requests, bugs, and support posts fit perfectly on child metas, especially if the issues are close to that community. This may also help with the issues y'all are facing with people downvoting your MSO proposals. MSO heavily leans towards SO, and SO is a completely different animal with completely different challenges than what we face." CreationDate="2014-02-28T14:37:23.157" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4072" PostId="2420" Score="1" Text="I get them all as one page so your old link wasn't working. I updated it and it seems to work." CreationDate="2014-03-03T03:56:52.217" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4075" PostId="2420" Score="1" Text="@jmac - Ah, thanks for clarifying. I was wondering what the heck was going on. :)" CreationDate="2014-03-03T05:26:30.690" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4076" PostId="2420" Score="1" Text="As an aside, one thing I'll ask of our community is to focus NAA flags on questions where the post is either open or where we're actively trying to get it reopened. I pretty much focus on open questions anyway and don't worry so much about closed questions just due to resources, but this flagging feedback should help folks flag more effectively. If a closed question is really *that* bad, consider flagging for deletion." CreationDate="2014-03-03T05:28:27.887" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4080" PostId="2423" Score="0" Text="at [Prog meta](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/6506/31260), Glen recently gave an interesting criteria to consider: &quot;If a domain... is difficult for attorneys to figure out and can be highly specific to jurisdiction, then the question isn't a good fit for Programmers.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-04T08:40:18.293" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4082" PostId="2423" Score="2" Text="Does StackExchange itself have any sort of policies on this I wonder? This might be worth considering here too, if so." CreationDate="2014-03-04T14:48:06.830" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4097" PostId="2423" Score="4" Text="Relevant: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/104821/wanted-a-standard-way-for-a-site-to-have-a-prominent-professional-advice-discla" CreationDate="2014-03-04T22:17:02.727" UserId="10" />
  <row Id="4103" PostId="2424" Score="1" Text="&quot;I'd say, for now, we should watch what the Freelancing SE community does and learn from their experiences&quot; - sounds like a good plan to me!" CreationDate="2014-03-05T00:09:28.513" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4081" PostId="2425" Score="0" Text="FYI Joe, the 'Being asked to leave a permanent contract? Legal rights?' actually asks about whether or not 4-day notice on a permanent contract is within an employer's rights. While it needs to be brushed up, pointing someone to regulations on what notice periods they are should not be harmful, especially if accompanied by a notice that this is just what the law says, not what their experience with the law will necessarily be." CreationDate="2014-03-04T14:20:58.753" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4086" PostId="2425" Score="3" Text="@jmac - if we limited ourselves to providing links to more authoritative sites, I wouldn't be as worried. But I do worry about the interpretation of laws by non-lawyers, anecdotes, etc." CreationDate="2014-03-04T15:31:42.630" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4087" PostId="2425" Score="0" Text="[This is a good question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/20030/2322) for thinking about this." CreationDate="2014-03-04T16:16:43.553" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4092" PostId="2425" Score="0" Text="Your examples are clearly asking for legal advice.  Questions like How long can I collect unemployment for?  We can answer because it relies on basic legal knowledge not an application of the law in specific circumstances." CreationDate="2014-03-04T21:13:52.923" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4100" PostId="2425" Score="0" Text="@Chad, we cannot tell the person how long they can personally collect unemployment for, but we can most certainly point them to the resources that explain the criteria for how long someone can collect unemployment. My goal is not to have us provide legal advice, it is to figure out how we can create criteria to allow questions that request resources rather than advice along the lines of what Monica posted in her answer." CreationDate="2014-03-04T23:43:56.427" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4101" PostId="2425" Score="0" Text="@Joe, under no circumstances do I believe we should interpret law, or provide opinion on how the law will apply. Those are both in the realm of what lawyers do and are not appropriate. Providing case law, regulations, and other objective (non-subjective) advice should be okay, as you say. The question is, do we want questions along those lines, and if so, how do we explain what is okay and what isn't?" CreationDate="2014-03-04T23:45:31.463" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4102" PostId="2425" Score="1" Text="@jmac - I have outlined reasons why I feel answering these questions is too risky. I've indicated several times in the past that I struggle with many of the rules here. My feeling is that they are hard to interpret, and don't seem to be &quot;enforced&quot; evenly. That happens in some forums (and particularly in Workplace, where many of the topics are &quot;squishy&quot;). I don't feel that it's a good idea to add yet one more squishy category." CreationDate="2014-03-04T23:54:24.340" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4107" PostId="2425" Score="0" Text="@Jmac - I think Monica's answer does that.  As for the unemployment there are standards that are set and we can explain how they apply.  Just like we can explain how FMLA  and tax withhold works and how the site users can make use of that.  Standards and regulations are explainable." CreationDate="2014-03-05T14:53:47.713" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4088" PostId="2426" Score="2" Text="So &quot;What does the law say about my right to sue?&quot; is ok, but &quot;Can I sue?&quot; might be, and &quot;Should I sue?&quot; isn't ok?" CreationDate="2014-03-04T16:38:37.637" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4089" PostId="2426" Score="3" Text="Right.  The distinction is that in the one case we're providing *information*, but in the other we're providing *guidance*.  On Mi Yodeya the latter is both a legal and an ethical concern; even if it's not a legal concern here, people are clearly uncomfortable with this questions to some extent.  Also, we aren't Anne Landers.  But we can engage with the topics if we're careful." CreationDate="2014-03-04T16:52:10.133" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4090" PostId="2426" Score="0" Text="Thanks! Sounds reasonable if we simply provide links to the authoritative text of the relevant law. But I'd worry about answerers providing their own unique interpretations of the law, and people acting on the interpretations. (I do tend to be a worrier...)" CreationDate="2014-03-04T17:00:31.850" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4093" PostId="2426" Score="0" Text="I emphasized your first line because I think it is critically important and the key to distiguishing good questions with a legal aspect and questions asking for legal advice." CreationDate="2014-03-04T21:16:51.650" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4095" PostId="2426" Score="0" Text="@Chad, good point.  Thanks." CreationDate="2014-03-04T21:28:09.960" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4096" PostId="2426" Score="2" Text="I would not be opposed to changing our &quot;legal off topic&quot; reason to basically be nearly exactly what the Mi Yodeya one is, honestly." CreationDate="2014-03-04T21:59:21.453" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4099" PostId="2426" Score="2" Text="+1 This is exactly along the lines of what I think the approach should be as well. A good resource will provide guidance on where to look/how to consider yourself rather than hand-feeding the conclusion. That's the whole explaining *why* and *how* rather than just telling someone what to do." CreationDate="2014-03-04T23:42:19.593" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4091" PostId="2427" Score="1" Text="I've not had this problem, so it must be a bug on your account somehow?" CreationDate="2014-03-04T17:49:11.913" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4094" PostId="2427" Score="2" Text="We have had a few reports about IE 8 / IE 9 issues, coinciding with the Microsoft patch Tuesday. We, at Stack Exchange, didn't make any large changes that would effect these browsers specifically." CreationDate="2014-03-04T21:21:54.863" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="4098" PostId="2427" Score="1" Text="Those sound like things that would happen if the Javascript isn't loading correctly.  Do you use a selective blocker like NoScript?  (Yesterday or today I had to approve a new SE domain -- don't remember what, but it had &quot;test&quot; in its name.)  Does this happen to you in more than one browser?  Can you add info about your browser (with version) and OS?" CreationDate="2014-03-04T23:21:28.923" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4104" PostId="2427" Score="0" Text="I have the same issues using IE9.  I can add comments using a different browser (chrome).  I think Oded's comment should be an answer (and I'll delete my 'answer'.)" CreationDate="2014-03-05T00:26:05.400" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="4105" PostId="2427" Score="0" Text="I have tried to reproduce using an IE 8 / Windows 7 virtual machine, but everything works just right. Do you have any extensions installed? Ad blockers?" CreationDate="2014-03-05T10:40:11.623" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="4106" PostId="2427" Score="0" Text="Can you confirm whether this is still an issue? I've had a report that this no longer happens." CreationDate="2014-03-05T14:51:40.197" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="4108" PostId="2427" Score="0" Text="Today I can add comments, in the same IE 9.  I did not get any patches since yesterday.  So I think it's been fixed (at least for me)." CreationDate="2014-03-05T16:48:41.720" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="4109" PostId="2427" Score="0" Text="@thursdaysgeek - We didn't change anything that should have effected comments. Not in some time. Whatever it was seems to have gone back to normal." CreationDate="2014-03-05T16:52:19.887" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="4118" PostId="2429" Score="0" Text="Keep in mind you can have a short answer which still explains why it is correct." CreationDate="2014-03-06T22:43:51.123" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4111" PostId="2430" Score="0" Text="I'm not confused about &quot;back it up&quot;; I'm talking about answers where I didn't explain how I know what I know (just asserted it).  In those cases it's based on experience and that would qualify, but my question is whether I should go and edit that in to bring those answers into compliance with site policy.  Sorry if I was unclear in my question." CreationDate="2014-03-05T20:54:49.417" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4115" PostId="2431" Score="0" Text="+1: `Explaining why the answer is correct is more important than explaining how you know the information.` Agreed." CreationDate="2014-03-06T12:09:14.070" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4112" PostId="2432" Score="1" Text="Thanks; that makes sense.  Part of my reason for asking is that deletions are silent (unless there's a mod-comment within a small time window), so if one of my answers were to appear in the crosshairs I might not even know about it.  I'd rather fix problems than delete them.  (That's *part* of the motivation, but the main motivation is wanting to maintain quality standards and not be a bad example.  I don't have specific answers in mind.  I have a lot of answers, though.)" CreationDate="2014-03-06T01:58:28.080" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4113" PostId="2432" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio - I generally look at the age of the post and then how long it's been since the author last visited. I also look at the content to decide whether or not it's just one or two problems or if the entire post is a problem. If I think there's a chance the person would be interested in editing, I'll leave a helpful comment with a suggestion. So far, the only silent deletions I've done, without leaving a comment, were on posts where there just wasn't any thought put into it. These were one-liners for authors who had already been explained the guidelines, in most cases." CreationDate="2014-03-06T02:43:55.240" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4116" PostId="2433" Score="0" Text="similar discussion at Prog meta: [Why do interview questions make poor Programmers.SE questions?](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6360/why-do-interview-questions-make-poor-programmers-se-questions)" CreationDate="2014-03-06T15:47:47.943" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4117" PostId="2433" Score="1" Text="Some [previous discussion](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1959/2322)" CreationDate="2014-03-06T22:40:33.067" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4119" PostId="2433" Score="0" Text="Hi Joe, please take a look through the linked dup as I suspect you'll find the answer there, with the short answer being &quot;Don't answer the interview questions directly; instead, explain *how* to approach the interview questions&quot;.  If you feel there's still some doubts in your mind or something isn't covered, I suggest editing this to clarify and then flag and I'll reopen. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-03-07T01:05:35.760" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4124" PostId="2433" Score="0" Text="Thanks. My prediction is that we'll see more and more &quot;How do I answer this interview question&quot; category questions with thousands of different questions in the body. The answers will vary from repetitions of &quot;how to approach interview questions&quot; responses, to repetitions of &quot;here is how I answered during my interview&quot; responses. Ok by me. (My preference would be to have a separate stackexchange site for Interview Questions)" CreationDate="2014-03-07T12:45:28.427" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4126" PostId="2434" Score="0" Text="Reproduced (also Opera 12.16 / Linux). The highlighting is just done using a standard CSS `:hover` selector, so it seems to be a bug in Opera. Strangely, opening the developer console seems to stop the bug from happening, which makes it kind of tricky to test." CreationDate="2014-03-08T02:00:02.437" UserId="2139" />
  <row Id="4123" PostId="2435" Score="1" Text="[&quot;We want you (to flush)!&quot;](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/14143148#14143148)" CreationDate="2014-03-07T06:17:25.257" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4125" PostId="2435" Score="1" Text="I hope it is... ASAP. We need to bring the law upon our workplace. I mean, to bring order. Yes. But I do agree, I sense that we are getting a lot of work for the mod's." CreationDate="2014-03-07T18:46:18.427" UserId="12796" />
  <row Id="4128" PostId="2435" Score="3" Text="@HugoRocha - Recommended reading for you and anyone considering a nomination:  http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation/" CreationDate="2014-03-08T22:32:17.860" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4140" PostId="2435" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 Done! Thanks for the link! :) I do agree with that, I see the point. We should leave the place more tidy then.." CreationDate="2014-03-10T12:58:58.080" UserId="12796" />
  <row Id="4146" PostId="2435" Score="0" Text="The recent Election on SO had a set of requirements to be nominated (certain badges and so on). Are there requirements to nominate here, too?" CreationDate="2014-03-11T15:30:56.260" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4127" PostId="2437" Score="0" Text="related: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2365/bug-uploading-images-on-meta" CreationDate="2014-03-08T18:56:49.537" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4130" PostId="2437" Score="1" Text="This is the same z-index related grey box issue that was fixed and then re-broken on meta. This is also an issue on Firefox 27 (I think any browser supporting z-index will have the issue)." CreationDate="2014-03-09T23:36:20.070" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4132" PostId="2438" Score="0" Text="Does this happen for you also on normal question pages, if you drag the flag popup downwards? Because it doesn't for me (Chromium 32 / Linux), and I can't rest it in the review view due to insufficient rep on this site." CreationDate="2014-03-10T00:01:05.957" UserId="2139" />
  <row Id="4136" PostId="2438" Score="0" Text="Not just Chrome; I'm seeing this on Firefox." CreationDate="2014-03-10T03:31:34.517" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4244" PostId="2438" Score="0" Text="Issue still exists..." CreationDate="2014-03-25T14:33:53.367" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4139" PostId="2439" Score="1" Text="Thanks a lot for this!" CreationDate="2014-03-10T10:11:39.637" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4194" PostId="2439" Score="1" Text="Thanks Jmort!  This is very helpful" CreationDate="2014-03-18T14:26:25.207" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4134" PostId="2442" Score="0" Text="At least in Firefox, I can change the `z-index: 1000` to 0, and the grey box disappears." CreationDate="2014-03-10T02:31:04.960" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4135" PostId="2442" Score="0" Text="@jmac: You mean the z-index on the gray box? Yes, because most of the page content is at z-index 1 (and the header is, currently, at z-index 2). But the point of the gray box is that it should be placed between the popup and the rest of the page, which the current styling (without the fix above) does not allow." CreationDate="2014-03-10T02:34:48.573" UserId="2139" />
  <row Id="4158" PostId="2443" Score="0" Text="Thanks!  The contrast in the titles on the main page is now much better (I can see a difference).  I'm still not seeing a difference in the blue links on individual pages, but that's far less important to me." CreationDate="2014-03-12T18:13:51.387" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4141" PostId="2445" Score="3" Text="Hot is good, right? Gaming the system, perhaps? Sort of like SEO, but at the stackexchange level? (It's good to know that *toilet* and *manager* are magic words.)" CreationDate="2014-03-10T14:06:06.660" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4142" PostId="2445" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere oh there are plenty magic combinations to trigger lemmings attention. [&quot;git is fantastic&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/164078/165773) does the trick. Anything [&quot;sexual&quot;](http://english.stackexchange.com/q/148323/11429) in the title does it, too. It's not a rocket science, really" CreationDate="2014-03-10T14:12:27.767" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4143" PostId="2445" Score="3" Text="LOL. Funny stuff this &quot;reputation score&quot; thing. You get what you encourage." CreationDate="2014-03-10T14:20:27.663" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4144" PostId="2445" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere by the way, there was a time when this was a problem at Stack Overflow, see: [The Trouble With Popularity](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/). They seem to have solved it since, likely by dumping troublesome categories of questions to Programmers, Workplace, Code Golf, UX etc..." CreationDate="2014-03-10T15:14:00.420" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4164" PostId="2446" Score="0" Text="Ah I thought, dups were supposed to be kept around for SEO reasons. If that's not the case, by all means let's clean them up" CreationDate="2014-03-13T15:31:54.353" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4166" PostId="2446" Score="0" Text="Ah, I wasn't aware those two were one user" CreationDate="2014-03-13T15:35:20.463" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4167" PostId="2446" Score="0" Text="Ohh you are right, they are different..." CreationDate="2014-03-13T15:56:16.920" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6728" PostId="2446" Score="3" Text="Duplicates that are asked differently enough can be valuable (if actually closed as dupes of course); the same question can be asked in different ways and this helps with searching.  Duplicates that are nearly identical to the originals (as in the second example in the question, now deleted) are not valuable and can be deleted.  So can badly-asked ones.  When evaluating, ask yourself if you can imagine somebody reasonably getting to the dupe via Google; if the answer is yes, it's probably worth keeping (absent any other problems of course)." CreationDate="2014-11-29T23:42:48.750" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4149" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="related custom close reason worth considering for adaptation from SO is [Unclear What Help You Need](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/215806/165773)" CreationDate="2014-03-12T07:33:15.097" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4153" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="@gnat Isn't that our `unclear what you're asking`? It reads very similar." CreationDate="2014-03-12T09:19:03.343" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4155" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="similar to some extent, but focus shifted quite substantially, as explained in that MSO post. Detailed message is quite worthy: &quot;Please clarify your specific problem or provide additional details to highlight exactly what you need. As it's currently written, it’s hard to tell what problem you are trying to solve or what aspect of your code needs to be corrected or explained. See the How to Ask page for help clarifying this question.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-12T10:23:30.993" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4157" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="@gnat The difference are really subtle, &quot;Unclear what help you need&quot; vs &quot;Unclear what you're asking&quot; and &quot;hard to tell what problem you are trying to solve&quot; vs &quot;hard to tell what exactly you're asking&quot;. I'm not saying we shouldn't adapt it, just tried to figure out the extend of it being different. Some times sublteties can make big difference." CreationDate="2014-03-12T10:42:14.627" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4180" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="How about instead of your close reason, **Must demonstrate a real specific problem and a describe a target goal for the resolution**.  Our problem is not that there is not enough information about the problem, but rather we do not have a goal envisioned for solving the problem." CreationDate="2014-03-17T19:31:15.140" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4181" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="@Chad that one reminds me of another one from SO. I think that's a good idea, too, though a bit different form &quot;Tell us what you tried so far&quot;. I think both have their uses but what you proposed will probably be the appropriate close reason far more often than mine above." CreationDate="2014-03-17T20:28:12.813" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4182" PostId="2447" Score="0" Text="@CMW - Really the reason for saying what you tried on SO is because that gives more information about the root cause of the problem that was not there with my page is broke... why?  We dont really have a problem with short questions that lack context, we have a problem with questions that lack goals." CreationDate="2014-03-17T20:36:48.390" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4148" PostId="2448" Score="1" Text="Ah, I almost closed the question as too broad, but unclear does indeed fit better. I feel like unclear questions are a subset of too broad in that both lead to answers where answerers make assumptions that lead to too many answers, or answers that don't quite solve the actual problem. Both types of questions can generally be fixed up simply by commenters asking the op the right clarifying questions." CreationDate="2014-03-12T01:02:00.377" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4150" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="I think Unclear can often turn in to Too Broad after they actually give the missing details. But sometimes Unclear is just that they aren't clear about what they want, and adding a quick comment or two as an edit clears it up. You can [see my visual reference guide for close reasons](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/215220/209637) which may help." CreationDate="2014-03-12T08:32:31.537" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4151" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="I think this question is actually pretty clear: `How to get management's participation?` This however can be done in so many ways that it will lead to a whole host of answers if thoroughly covered. That's why I'm looking for something telling the OP to list what hasn't worked so far. The part about demonstrating understanding is not that important to me, it just was part of the original, so I tried to adapt it." CreationDate="2014-03-12T09:05:06.630" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4154" PostId="2448" Score="1" Text="@CMW, so the question is clear, but there are too many answers? Then it's too broad. Either way. Why do you need another reason for this, one that was misused on SO and removed as a result?" CreationDate="2014-03-12T10:21:08.720" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4156" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="I just find it more encouraging and clear than what 'too broad' says. Providing extra details about the event for example wouldn't narrow down a thing, but *please add details* wouldn't immediately make me think to add what I've tried so far, when all I've described was the problem at hand. Also, taking SO as a template for how something works out for another SE is probably not the best approach, as the hot question debacle shows" CreationDate="2014-03-12T10:37:10.703" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4159" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="@CMW, as an asker, when you get this message, what exactly would you do to fix it that you wouldn't do if you got unclear/too broad instead? And if you did that, would it fix the problem and make the question good for the site as a result? What is clear *for you* as a closer is less relevant than what's clear for the asker who it is supposed to guide." CreationDate="2014-03-12T23:40:35.210" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4161" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="When I got this message on SO, I immediately realized, that I didn't explain what I tried so far, which would result in suggestions that I had ruled out already. So I mentioned that, resulting in pretty great answers. I don't expect everyone to understand that the same way, but I also don't assume, I'm so far from the average." CreationDate="2014-03-13T09:28:32.487" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4168" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="@CMW, in the example I gave for the question you mention, would adding what's been tried really make the question suitable for this site?" CreationDate="2014-03-13T21:55:26.433" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4169" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="If anything, I think that could, yes." CreationDate="2014-03-13T21:57:19.453" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4170" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="@CMW, 'if anything' implies that it won't necessarily fix it. Yet it's doing exactly what the message says. Isn't that a problem? 'Unclear what you're asking' is very clear -- we can't determine what you're asking and can't determine if it's on/off-topic. 'Too broad' is too -- you need to narrow the scope of the question. But the reason you have says, 'add what you've tried and it's okay', yet the problem may not be the lack of information, but that it's a bad question for another reason." CreationDate="2014-03-13T23:32:35.643" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4171" PostId="2448" Score="0" Text="Of course no measure will necessarily fix all the things it's meant to fix. And yes, to me, adding what they tried so far, would improve the question to a point where it's answerable - assuming they did try some things, of course." CreationDate="2014-03-13T23:43:40.717" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4172" PostId="2448" Score="1" Text="@CMW, agree to disagree. I would still vote to close as unclear even if they explained what they'd tried. The question is bad not because of effort on their part, but because they aren't clear about what the problem is and how they want to solve it. Explaining what they've done will never clear that up. Closing questions should not be done due to lack of effort on the part of the asker, only based on the qualities of the question itself." CreationDate="2014-03-13T23:54:27.090" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4152" PostId="2449" Score="0" Text="Making it easier to tell the difference is pretty much why I was suggesting this close reason. `Too broad` itself is a very broad close reason that at least to me, it doesn't clearly convey how to salvage a question. I'm also all for commenting and explaining problems a question has, but some people rather just vote for some reason. And in those cases, the question would gather a bouquet of `too broad` and `opinion based` votes, because it's also not clear which applies better." CreationDate="2014-03-12T09:16:37.113" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4160" PostId="2449" Score="0" Text="@CMW - In general, close reasons are just meant to convey a general rough idea as to why a post was put on hold and further reading to clarify.  Most situations are different enough to where a more targeted explanation from a veteran user is needed. In short, I don't think we can dismiss leaving comments by having a close reason for every situation. However, as an aside, the pro forma script is a lifesaver and a timesaver that brings the best of both worlds, a combination of the human touch alongside the ease and quickness of a templated message." CreationDate="2014-03-13T03:45:30.437" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4162" PostId="2449" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't want to encourage anybody to not comment. It's just that there are a lot of people who vote but for some reason will not comment or be bothered with the question further. I suggest that their votes would become more useful with close reasons like this one." CreationDate="2014-03-13T09:41:40.683" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4173" PostId="2449" Score="0" Text="@CMW - One idea is to use [chat] as a tool. As an example, I come across posts sometimes where I can clearly see some editing is needed, but they have some issues that I'm not quite sure I can fix as good as someone else might be able to. So I'll drop a link in the room, and someone else will dive in. I suspect comments could work the same way. If you're not sure how to advise the poster to fix the problem and can only say what's wrong, maybe a good strategy is to see if someone else can by getting the post some attention." CreationDate="2014-03-14T06:23:51.420" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4174" PostId="2449" Score="0" Text="[cont'd] - It would be a good experiment to try: *&quot;Hey, can someone help user0123 with some ideas to fix this post. It really seems opinion-based, but it's an interesting question. Does anyone see a way to save it?&quot;*.  You could even take the ideas from chat and post them on the question/answer yourself, if you think your comment would help, and if you have time. :)" CreationDate="2014-03-14T06:25:22.567" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4175" PostId="2449" Score="1" Text="I totally agree with communicating with them. I'm just trying to offer an alternative to those who don't bother commenting/pulling people into chats. It's unfortunate that people on SO abused this particular close reason, because I found it very helpful on either side of the flag when I startet caring for these things." CreationDate="2014-03-14T09:26:24.907" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4176" PostId="2450" Score="1" Text="Looks the same in IE9. Link to search results: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=looks+like" CreationDate="2014-03-14T18:07:16.500" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="4177" PostId="2450" Score="1" Text="Reproduced on Firefox 27 and Opera 12.16 on Kubuntu Linux; no-repro on Chromium 32. Firefox dev tools say the font used is Open Sans Bold (woff), remotely loaded from cdn.sstatic.net.  It also seems to happen only at that specific size; zooming in or out fixes it." CreationDate="2014-03-14T23:02:37.757" UserId="2139" />
  <row Id="4178" PostId="2450" Score="0" Text="Also reproduced on Chrome 33 and Firefox 27 on Windows 7." CreationDate="2014-03-16T21:09:10.890" UserId="2139" />
  <row Id="4179" PostId="2451" Score="1" Text="Woohoo! I want the coffee maker! :D" CreationDate="2014-03-17T16:13:57.763" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4183" PostId="2451" Score="1" Text="Awesome! Thanks, SE!" CreationDate="2014-03-17T22:42:27.353" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="4185" PostId="2451" Score="1" Text="Hey Swag-master Tim, thanks for the recognition -- a lot of our users are international, is this no problem for sending swag?" CreationDate="2014-03-17T23:42:21.053" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4187" PostId="2451" Score="4" Text="@jmac we ship swag internationally." CreationDate="2014-03-18T02:40:28.913" UserId="202" />
  <row Id="4188" PostId="2451" Score="3" Text="@Jin, our many international members will be thrilled. This is really a great surprise!" CreationDate="2014-03-18T02:52:45.950" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4189" PostId="2451" Score="0" Text="This is very spiffy!" CreationDate="2014-03-18T03:11:46.897" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4193" PostId="2451" Score="1" Text="Sigh.  Page 3.... *waaah*" CreationDate="2014-03-18T13:20:25.723" UserId="873" />
  <row Id="4201" PostId="2451" Score="0" Text="It... was... worth it!!!!" CreationDate="2014-03-20T01:48:35.800" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4203" PostId="2451" Score="0" Text="Damn, as someone on the third page I wish I had done a bit more to get on the second :(" CreationDate="2014-03-20T16:51:38.400" UserId="4710" />
  <row Id="4204" PostId="2451" Score="1" Text="Excellent. At last, my own red stapler." CreationDate="2014-03-20T20:20:24.687" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="4215" PostId="2451" Score="0" Text="Have you reached out yet? I haven't received any communications either in my StackExchange account or my email address?" CreationDate="2014-03-22T15:07:36.380" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4216" PostId="2451" Score="0" Text="@JimG. I will be today or tomorrow, I got a bit backed up last week." CreationDate="2014-03-24T08:46:09.340" UserId="5657" />
  <row Id="4217" PostId="2451" Score="0" Text="Sweet! this is cool :)" CreationDate="2014-03-24T12:55:52.407" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4218" PostId="2451" Score="8" Text="[I complained about my colleauges' odours in a public forum](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/621/48), and all I got was this lousy t-shirt. /couldn't resist" CreationDate="2014-03-24T14:28:52.703" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="4263" PostId="2451" Score="3" Text="I believe you have my stapler..." CreationDate="2014-03-26T15:16:52.190" UserId="42" />
  <row Id="4267" PostId="2451" Score="0" Text="@Rarity- Listen, we need some room up here, so... if you could just move downstairs, that'll be great" CreationDate="2014-03-26T17:58:54.883" UserId="2536" />
  <row Id="4655" PostId="2451" Score="0" Text="@TimPost Is there a way one could track the shipment ?" CreationDate="2014-05-01T09:52:12.643" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="5742" PostId="2451" Score="1" Text="I *love* that my red stapler contains *red staples*!  Great attention to detail!  (And now I will carefully consider which items merit the special staples...)" CreationDate="2014-05-18T16:29:16.197" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4184" PostId="2452" Score="0" Text="Is this a new issue as of 1 hour ago - or is this something you've experienced since the launch of this site?  I'm not able to reproduce this issue but it might have something to do with rendering our custom font via the CDN." CreationDate="2014-03-17T23:09:54.850" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="4186" PostId="2452" Score="1" Text="I originally got this temporarily when the new site first launched (balpha fixed it). [Here is the part in chat where we discuss it](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/13893646#13893646). I'm not sure if it's related, but it may well be @Geoff." CreationDate="2014-03-17T23:45:51.223" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4190" PostId="2452" Score="0" Text="@GeoffDalgas - it's not new. I first saw it just after the site graduated but put it down to caching and the fact that the design had just changed. I've seen it sporadically since. Yesterday was particularly bad." CreationDate="2014-03-18T09:26:17.900" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="4195" PostId="2452" Score="0" Text="Is it possible to capture the request headers for the font file the next time you see this issue?  Specifically the response headers for:  http://cdn.sstatic.net/_fonts/open-sans/opensans-regular-webfont.woff?v=fffe5d363a7c" CreationDate="2014-03-18T16:14:23.953" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="4196" PostId="2452" Score="0" Text="@GeoffDalgas - I'll give it a go." CreationDate="2014-03-18T16:16:24.300" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="4198" PostId="2452" Score="0" Text="@ChrisF are you using Chrome, and if so, which version?" CreationDate="2014-03-19T11:04:56.127" UserId="132" />
  <row Id="4199" PostId="2452" Score="0" Text="@NickCraver Yep, Chrome Version 33.0.1750.154 m" CreationDate="2014-03-19T11:15:16.383" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="4200" PostId="2452" Score="0" Text="@ChrisF we can repro this too, but *completely* randomly, even partially in the page sometimes fixed on hover - it's definitely a chrome bug you can find details on here: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=336476" CreationDate="2014-03-19T11:16:41.043" UserId="132" />
  <row Id="4212" PostId="2452" Score="1" Text="@ChrisF going to status-reproduced this one - this appears to be a bug in chrome which hopefully will go away with future releases." CreationDate="2014-03-21T15:33:48.913" UserId="4" />
  <row Id="4191" PostId="2453" Score="0" Text="Some OPs simply come back and edit the original question to provide the follow-up you are looking for. Some don't bother." CreationDate="2014-03-18T12:11:26.927" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4192" PostId="2453" Score="3" Text="the way you describe it, such a follow-up makes a reasonably good match for an answer (and I even recall seeing follow-ups at other sites submitted as answers). Given that [self-answering](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/self-answer/info) is considered a legitimate and respectable practice across SE network, why not use it?" CreationDate="2014-03-18T12:31:16.053" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10010" PostId="2453" Score="0" Text="I've wished for this so many times.  I think if writing follow ups was formalized and promoted to some extent, people would do it.  As it stands OPs may wonder if anyone is interested anymore, but I would say it's immensely valuable not only to answerers but also future visitors.  Completing the feedback loop also validates or invalidates answers." CreationDate="2016-09-16T17:29:35.730" UserId="57586" />
  <row Id="4206" PostId="2455" Score="1" Text="This is what I was advised to do the first time [I faced this issue](http://judaism.stackexchange.com/q/15285/472)." CreationDate="2014-03-20T21:58:46.290" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4205" PostId="2456" Score="3" Text="To be clear, you should be looking for two things here: constructive edits from the author or greater community in response to the notice, and justified deletions of noticed posts when edits are not forthcoming. If neither occurs with any frequency, back to the drawing board." CreationDate="2014-03-20T21:14:44.290" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4210" PostId="2456" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 agree, that's a very important point, a great deal of flags I currently cast as [follow up](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/14365/revisions &quot;one example is here&quot;) to mod notices are like &quot;please take a look: mod notice at this answer appears to be obsoleted by an edit done in rev 2...&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-21T06:03:50.090" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4207" PostId="2457" Score="2" Text="I count 10 TWP questions out of the 100 right now. WHAT DID YOU DO?" CreationDate="2014-03-20T22:36:07.533" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4208" PostId="2457" Score="0" Text="[&quot;human interaction... doesn't blow up like a balloon&quot;](http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html &quot;Clay Shirky: 'A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy'&quot;)" CreationDate="2014-03-21T05:28:17.810" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4209" PostId="2457" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 you may consider clicking word &quot;danger&quot; in the question text" CreationDate="2014-03-21T05:37:42.310" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4211" PostId="2457" Score="0" Text="FWIW, there are seven questions right now in the list: [1](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/20883/168),&#xA;[2](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/20769/168),&#xA;[3](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/20975/168),&#xA;[4](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/20905/168),&#xA;[5](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/20843/168),&#xA;[6](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/20893/168),&#xA;[7](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/20876/168). In comparison, Stack Overflow has 3 (that's t-h-r-e-e)... no wonder it's [priority -17](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/220325/165773) to them, with such a protection" CreationDate="2014-03-21T12:13:22.747" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4277" PostId="2457" Score="0" Text="for the record: &quot;That just tells me that TWP needs a handicap... with 100+ sites, none of them should have more than a handful in the list at once&quot; ([Shog9](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/14505373#14505373 &quot;in Workplace 2014 Election chat&quot;))" CreationDate="2014-03-27T05:24:46.397" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6387" PostId="2457" Score="0" Text="related: [Does Stack Exchange record when particular question enters and leaves hot list?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/238445/165773)" CreationDate="2014-08-22T17:19:34.833" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="16881" PostId="2457" Score="0" Text="related conversation in Tavern chat: [follow-up to &quot;How come there are 5 Workplace questions in the hot list?&quot;](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/89/conversation/follow-up-to-how-come-there-are-5-workplace-questions-in-the-hot-list) _&quot;Shog referred to my meta post about 5 TWP questions in hot list to tell us his story of penalization but when I check it now I see even more than I complained about - 6. Yeah. Insufficiently. Let's call it that way...&quot;_" CreationDate="2018-10-26T16:38:25.940" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4214" PostId="2459" Score="0" Text="deleted posts are not in Data Explorer (and unlikely will be there, at least in sufficient detail), we may need help from dev team to run queries straight from database, or study stuff manually somehow" CreationDate="2014-03-22T07:36:01.977" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4219" PostId="2462" Score="4" Text="I won't be running, as I can't be sufficiently active.  I'd rather make way for the many qualified candidates the site has cultivated over the past couple of years.  Congrats to all who guided this site through to this stage!" CreationDate="2014-03-24T20:57:53.020" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="4220" PostId="2462" Score="5" Text="@NickC - Thanks for all your contributions and support! I really appreciate your help and guidance when I first came on-board and was getting up to speed." CreationDate="2014-03-24T21:01:22.527" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4257" PostId="2464" Score="3" Text="Awesome question. I can hear you muttering, *&quot;This is what you did to me community... this is my revenge&quot;*" CreationDate="2014-03-26T07:05:26.263" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4225" PostId="2468" Score="2" Text="I think the biggest issue is the high number of votes on that answer.  I'm open to any ideas on how to address [the &quot;mass upvoting of non-answers&quot; problem](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/q/1400/2314)." CreationDate="2014-03-25T03:49:07.750" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="4226" PostId="2468" Score="0" Text="@NickC FWIW, ChrisF seems to have a [working solution](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/14456313#14456313) for this issue (also discussed at Prog meta: [Top answers duplicated on community wiki question](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/q/6211/31260))" CreationDate="2014-03-25T04:53:05.797" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4233" PostId="2468" Score="0" Text="@gnat - Sorry, it's not quite clear and I'd rather not try and guess, so, do you mind clarifying? Thanks! :)" CreationDate="2014-03-25T06:05:03.813" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4234" PostId="2468" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 my understanding is, Chris simply deleted the &quot;answers&quot; based on meta discussion / complaint. Though, it is probably safer to simply check that with him in TL chat" CreationDate="2014-03-25T06:06:48.690" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4235" PostId="2468" Score="0" Text="Ah, I think I did finally see that in a comment... ideally, I'd like to see posts get improved, and I'd hope we can approach people with the attitude that, with a little nudge, they'll positively contribute, but unless someone comes up with a compelling reason to change what we decided in public beta, this post will eventually get removed if it's not improved." CreationDate="2014-03-25T06:09:36.603" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4236" PostId="2468" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 well given that you added a mod notice, your approach makes good sense to me. My reference was mostly to point out that generally, there are cases when it's okay for moderator to delete highly upvoted answers (two at screen shot have score +147 and +150, go figure:)" CreationDate="2014-03-25T06:12:06.443" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4237" PostId="2468" Score="1" Text="That's a good thing to highlight, especially for any new mods after next week. When it comes to moderation, I hold positively scored posts to a higher standard than the negative ones. I'm happy to leave stuff lying around that the community can take care of." CreationDate="2014-03-25T06:14:29.133" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4279" PostId="2468" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 or NickC could we possibly have the comments tidied up on that answer now? There has been a lot of editing, improving, and discussing since this point" CreationDate="2014-03-27T08:37:10.657" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="4227" PostId="2469" Score="0" Text="how many close votes / flags are currently on this question?" CreationDate="2014-03-25T04:54:04.423" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4228" PostId="2469" Score="0" Text="Just one, @gnat, but I'm not sure I see anything majorly wrong with it. Maybe it could use an edit to help emphasize more on the *why* part." CreationDate="2014-03-25T05:14:21.490" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4240" PostId="2469" Score="0" Text="I am asking about the question, not an answer - is there only one flag/vote to close on it now? including expired ones, if there are any" CreationDate="2014-03-25T10:31:00.917" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4242" PostId="2469" Score="0" Text="Yes, there's just one close vote on the question itself." CreationDate="2014-03-25T13:46:05.490" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4253" PostId="2469" Score="2" Text="The correct response there was, &quot;[There *is* a way you could gain access to that information...](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/election)&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-25T17:33:29.710" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4292" PostId="2469" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 the question in question has been deleted, would you mind [edit]int the answer to account for that? (to avoid misunderstanding, I don't complain about deletion)" CreationDate="2014-03-29T05:35:21.603" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4270" PostId="2471" Score="1" Text="Is there a specific reason that the enforcement of this rule has to be done by the moderators and not the community as a whole?" CreationDate="2014-03-26T23:37:25.557" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4274" PostId="2471" Score="2" Text="@jmac - I think that having the mod explain their understanding of the rule and how they see that it should be enforced is valuable.  If they think it should be a community driven then I think there is value in knowing that." CreationDate="2014-03-27T02:47:25.310" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4286" PostId="2471" Score="0" Text="@jmac this depends on candidate position on whether it's okay for the posts violating these rules to stay on the site. If candidate believes okay to stay then mod involvement isn't needed, apparently. If candidate believes these to be deleted, do they believe mod power would be helpful, when, how etc. This is what I intended to cover by &quot;How would you enforce&quot;" CreationDate="2014-03-28T05:33:07.847" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4287" PostId="2471" Score="0" Text="Because of the limited amount of questions @Chad, I would rather have more general questions rather than asking about specific rules -- but that may not be the view of the community after all. I am less interested in how they will handle these specific issues, and more interested in how they would, for instance, handle repeated flags/meta posts on issues already discussed in the meta and decided on by the community (this rule and others included)." CreationDate="2014-03-28T06:07:30.497" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4289" PostId="2471" Score="1" Text="@jmac - Personally this is the single most important question I want to hear from the prospective mods. If I were forced to pick only one question this would be it." CreationDate="2014-03-28T13:45:49.650" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4239" PostId="2475" Score="1" Text="That is in fact an `overflow: hidden;` problem. Removing it for me makes it work and also doesn't break the layout in my recent-ish FF." CreationDate="2014-03-25T09:44:45.050" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4241" PostId="2475" Score="0" Text="This also applies to the flag handling dialog (helpful/dedclined) with the left/right margins (I expect it's the same issue)." CreationDate="2014-03-25T11:08:01.553" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="4251" PostId="2475" Score="0" Text="Is this firefox only, or have you observed it elsewhere?" CreationDate="2014-03-25T17:19:58.417" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4254" PostId="2475" Score="0" Text="@Shog9: Yes, it happens on Chromium too, on any page that doesn't have the `question-page` class on its `&lt;body&gt;` tag; see my answer below." CreationDate="2014-03-25T18:18:03.053" UserId="2139" />
  <row Id="4256" PostId="2475" Score="1" Text="Related (likely the same issue): http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2372/z-index-issues-in-the-10k-tools-flag-queue?lq=1" CreationDate="2014-03-26T01:02:32.227" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4248" PostId="2476" Score="3" Text="[tag:exit-interview]? No-o-o-o! :)" CreationDate="2014-03-25T16:26:15.820" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4268" PostId="2476" Score="3" Text="Thanks very much to jmort253, Jim, and NickC for taking the time to answer this!  I hoped to hear from some of the mods and am delighted that all three answered.  Y'all gave some great feedback and advice." CreationDate="2014-03-26T20:33:04.073" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4276" PostId="2476" Score="2" Text="Thanks for asking these questions. As I was writing my answers, I realized how much I've learned from this experience. If you decide to run, you would do a great job. In fact, we have such great candidates that it will really make it challenging to figure out where to place my votes." CreationDate="2014-03-27T03:55:11.197" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4252" PostId="2477" Score="8" Text="As per the normal rules of this site, &quot;Just quit&quot; isn't a valid response here." CreationDate="2014-03-25T17:30:50.363" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4266" PostId="2477" Score="6" Text="When answering, candidates should address how their responses change (if they do) if the two have a privilege imbalance, for example if one has a diamond (mod or staff) that allows him to make unilateral decisions (delete, close, flag rejection, etc)." CreationDate="2014-03-26T15:45:29.933" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4271" PostId="2479" Score="2" Text="While I think this question is good if it got real answers, I can't imagine anyone giving an answer that is anything other than, *&quot;Yes, I can handle it.&quot;* Having it here for potential moderators to think about is a good thing, but I don't think it needs to be explicitly asked (as I don't think the answers will be too enlightening)." CreationDate="2014-03-26T23:40:48.260" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4290" PostId="2479" Score="1" Text="This is a great question, but I'd suggest a slight edit to change it from a yes/no question to focus more on the how. It would be interesting to hear what techniques a person uses to stay positive, and this would also demonstrate that person has an actionable and workable plan. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-03-28T19:37:23.000" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4258" PostId="2480" Score="0" Text="With the total and complete lack of any information on what the current moderation burden is, and the lack of something to compare it to, this would be incredibly difficult to answer. I would think that current site activity would give a pretty good indication, and I would hope that with 3 active moderators, the burden would be a lot less than it currently is. While I think the heart of the question is valuable, I'd rather see other more specific questions get asked." CreationDate="2014-03-26T07:09:04.310" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4260" PostId="2480" Score="0" Text="@jmac - I am open to rewording it to make it more specific.  I think the most important part is I want to see a commitment from whom ever it is to make the attempt and the promise to stick it out." CreationDate="2014-03-26T13:42:57.157" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4255" PostId="2481" Score="0" Text="Related question: should closed questions or those put on hold be used to flag other similar questions as duplicates?" CreationDate="2014-03-25T23:21:51.697" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4264" PostId="2483" Score="8" Text="*It's always best when a post can be improved because it keeps people motivated. They see their efforts pay off rather than merely stifled.*  - I think this is one of the reasons you have made a great mod.  You have encouraged constructive changes to posts that I would have deleted outright with out a second thought.  In that way you have encouraged growth in me and others on the site as well as making this SE and the internet a better place." CreationDate="2014-03-26T15:20:19.873" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6641" PostId="2484" Score="1" Text="_&quot;We will need some community manager help to get the data&quot;_ --  interesting that since this was posted, &quot;we&quot; (you:) don't need this anymore, as you became community manager yourself. Consider [edit]ing the answer to account for this, otherwise it might look confusing for readers" CreationDate="2014-09-26T15:35:21.140" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6646" PostId="2484" Score="1" Text="Multiple sites are interest in feedback from this proposal. Any updates?" CreationDate="2014-10-01T02:20:28.053" UserId="15986" />
  <row Id="4283" PostId="2486" Score="3" Text="Thank you for taking time to answer and doing so thoughtfully.  Also thank you for everything thing you have done to get us to this point.  I hope you, Jmort, and Nick are all 3 proud of what we as a community have built and you 3 have helped to guide and make better.  We are hoping you are at least considering entering the election, but either way Thank you!  This site has 3 great mods!" CreationDate="2014-03-27T14:16:09.190" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4295" PostId="2486" Score="0" Text="@Chad: `I hope you, Jmort, and Nick are all 3 proud of what we as a community have built...` Wow. Feel good moment. Thanks, Chad!" CreationDate="2014-03-30T17:42:40.827" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4285" PostId="2487" Score="0" Text="This is still an issue when flagging the last answer in the review queue" CreationDate="2014-03-27T18:11:00.330" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4272" PostId="2488" Score="2" Text="+1. I have *&quot;Strong Opinions, Held Weakly&quot;* sitting on my desk at all times. I think that is a tremendous way to go about most things." CreationDate="2014-03-27T01:55:22.863" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4280" PostId="2488" Score="3" Text="@NickC - Thank you for taking time to answer the question, and thank you for all of your hard work since the start of this site.  I hope you choose to enter the election but I also understand if you are ready for a break.  Either way Thank you for everything you have done to make this site a success!" CreationDate="2014-03-27T14:10:57.380" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4281" PostId="2489" Score="1" Text="I think this is a very important question given the current candidates are all fairly active non-moderators right now on the site." CreationDate="2014-03-27T14:12:20.047" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11271" PostId="2489" Score="0" Text="Thanks Monica, your question helped me [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/4257/59602)" CreationDate="2017-01-26T15:09:30.930" UserId="59602" />
  <row Id="11272" PostId="2489" Score="0" Text="@Bebs glad I could help." CreationDate="2017-01-26T15:16:16.227" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4284" PostId="2490" Score="1" Text="[edits](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/21146/revisions &quot;see revisions history&quot;) done to the answer in question sorta contradict the statement that _People are not going to change..._" CreationDate="2014-03-27T15:17:41.193" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4291" PostId="2490" Score="1" Text="Hi aroth, haven't seen you on meta in awhile. :) A fresh perspective is *always* welcomed, but we're hoping for a little more thinking outside the box... If you come up with any constructive ideas, feel free to edit this." CreationDate="2014-03-29T01:57:03.010" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4293" PostId="2490" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - Thanks, though I think I've been reminded why I generally avoid meta.  Things get taken far too seriously here.  I even went so far as to add an explicit `/humor` tag to my post to show that I was jokingly paraphrasing the answer being discussed (since the question asked is essentially &quot;This answer hopelessly sucks, what do I do&quot;; a near-paraphrase of the question being discussed), and people still didn't get it.  Or else they got it, but decided that this is no joking matter so how dare I make light." CreationDate="2014-03-30T09:48:41.160" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="4294" PostId="2490" Score="1" Text="@aroth - [Humor is okay, but we're here to solve problems](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/152507/155826). If you say something funny in the course of also providing a constructive solution, that's great. But this doesn't offer anything constructive. One thing I can tell you is witty repartee tends to go over much better in [chat], where things are more real time and less likely to get taken out of context. :)  But on meta, our goal is to solve a problem, and jokes can certainly *accompany* that goal, but it shouldn't *override* that goal. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-03-30T15:37:38.577" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4296" PostId="2492" Score="2" Text="Are you talking about asking questions for the benefit of a friend, or asking questions for the benefit of a &quot;friend&quot; (nudge-nudge, wink-wink)?" CreationDate="2014-03-31T05:19:47.417" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4303" PostId="2492" Score="0" Text="It's about questions which fall into the category: I want to ask that, my employer won't like reading such a question, but it's still not so sensitive that I'd need complete anonymity by a throw away account." CreationDate="2014-03-31T08:43:01.667" UserId="16936" />
  <row Id="4297" PostId="2494" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/186706/can-we-prevent-questions-from-being-closed-as-duplicates-of-closed-questions" CreationDate="2014-03-31T08:07:24.893" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4300" PostId="2494" Score="1" Text="@gnat I also proposed this almost 3 years ago: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/87148/closed-questions-shouldnt-be-allowed-to-be-possible-duplicates" CreationDate="2014-03-31T08:27:47.337" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="4302" PostId="2494" Score="1" Text="@NickC I love your scientific diagram. From the number and age of requests around this issue, I assume, it's not going to happen, though..." CreationDate="2014-03-31T08:38:30.593" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="9290" PostId="2494" Score="0" Text="@CMW I completely agree, if the old duplicate is closed then the new one should as well. I actually thought it was strange that People were &quot;complaining&quot; that I linked to a closed question." CreationDate="2016-05-24T09:52:18.157" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="4298" PostId="2495" Score="0" Text="I absoultely get and agree with the idea of pointing them to another question that's got helpful answers already. I just think it's akin to posting link-only answers. Closed questions are way more likely to be deleted completely, leaving the question closed with a missing dup (and probably still off-topic because the dup used to be off-topic, too). It might be a better approach to close for another reason, if actually off-topic/too broad/opinion-based, and link to that other question in a comment." CreationDate="2014-03-31T08:14:40.500" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4299" PostId="2495" Score="2" Text="@CMW, Well, that question has been around for almost 2 years without deletion yet, so I don't see that as that big of a risk. It is upvoted, [so the system won't auto-delete it](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/). Of course, you can always create a tremendous answer to the current question, and flag the old question to be a dupe of the current, or reopen the previous question, or find a different creative way to handle it if you're worried about deletion." CreationDate="2014-03-31T08:24:30.267" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4301" PostId="2495" Score="0" Text="I'm also not criticising this particular example, it just reminded me of several situation, where I was thinking about this" CreationDate="2014-03-31T08:36:32.463" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4307" PostId="2495" Score="0" Text="I also think there is something that prevents questions that are linked to from being deleted. But I could be mistaken on that, as I can not find the SOMeta post I would swear I read it in." CreationDate="2014-03-31T14:08:39.433" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4311" PostId="2495" Score="0" Text="@Chad questions that are linked to are deleted just the same as these that aren't (at Programmers we had recently cleaned up quite a bunch of questions that had deleted ones ion dupe notices)" CreationDate="2014-03-31T18:56:35.173" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4304" PostId="2496" Score="5" Text="Hi Shantnu, glad to have you here. What makes you think there's a downvoting 'police' and not just users, like you, eager to participate and help increase the quality of this site?" CreationDate="2014-03-31T12:56:19.780" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4305" PostId="2496" Score="4" Text="http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1627/2322" CreationDate="2014-03-31T13:07:34.250" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4306" PostId="2496" Score="6" Text="I would recommend that you try to look at the downvoted items through someone elses eyes.  Try to understand where they are coming from in the comments.  If you are having difficulty doing that you can always drop by [chat] and ask there.  We are pretty active in chat and always willing to help someone improve their contribution or even just understand where the community may be coming from." CreationDate="2014-03-31T14:06:16.837" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4308" PostId="2496" Score="2" Text="Also note downvoting here basically means &quot;agree/disagree&quot; and is otherwise much less meaningful on meta. Downvotes on this in particular likely mean, &quot;I disagree.&quot; For what it's worth, I've not voted on this." CreationDate="2014-03-31T16:16:50.407" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4309" PostId="2496" Score="9" Text="I upvoted this question not because I agree (I don't think there's too much downvoting, in other words) but because I think it's an important question to ask.  We need to be able to discuss things like this as a community and to check how we're doing over time." CreationDate="2014-03-31T18:24:28.583" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4310" PostId="2500" Score="1" Text="2,066 -- does this number include votes on deleted posts?" CreationDate="2014-03-31T18:54:25.913" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4312" PostId="2500" Score="2" Text="Yes it does, @gnat." CreationDate="2014-03-31T19:21:19.147" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4315" PostId="2501" Score="3" Text="+1: `I think if you got slammed for your first question, then it's unlikely we'll hear about your second or third question..`. Correct. // I actually got slammed for my first question. Within *literally minutes* on a Saturday morning, a pro tempore moderator unilaterally closed my question without any guidance on how to make it better. Fortunately, I stuck it out, and I'm glad I did, but I think I'm the exception to the rule." CreationDate="2014-03-31T23:32:34.900" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4313" PostId="2503" Score="1" Text="Hi kleineg, we're happy to address any and all concerns brought here. What makes you feel, that people with more points are treated with less criticism than newer users?" CreationDate="2014-03-31T21:53:25.803" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4314" PostId="2503" Score="5" Text="Thanks for taking the time to write this up to try to address the issue in this way. When you encounter issues like this, you can always flag comments (rude/offensive, not constructive, etc) for us mods to take a look. Nothing is permanent on this site (comments, closures, deletions), and most anything can be undone." CreationDate="2014-03-31T22:25:23.693" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="4325" PostId="2503" Score="1" Text="@CMW That comment was unfair, I edited it out." CreationDate="2014-04-01T12:21:03.390" UserId="13271" />
  <row Id="4326" PostId="2503" Score="2" Text="I've been downvoted by a mod on a relatively useful answer having just been asked to cite a source that backs up 'that a defence against something illegal wouldn't stand up in court (clearly, because it is illegal)'. That's pretty barmy moderation if you ask me. I can definitely sense the hostility more on the workplace SE site over others that's for sure." CreationDate="2014-04-01T13:05:06.727" UserId="8446" />
  <row Id="4329" PostId="2503" Score="0" Text="it would be much easier to give soft, tender and delicate treatment for new users if SE team was [not so zealous](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2457/how-come-there-are-5-workplace-questions-in-the-hot-list &quot;'...equal distribution would mean less than one question per site in that list. How come Workplace presence is 5x more than average?'&quot;) in their attempts to [make us happy](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/226568/165773 &quot;'if you get five, or ten contributors that stick around..., you win, even at the cost of 20 or 30 flags.'&quot;)" CreationDate="2014-04-01T16:46:26.287" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4330" PostId="2503" Score="0" Text="@gnat How about instead of &quot;soft, tender and delicate&quot; the goal is constructive, fair, and polite? You will get better results in the long run." CreationDate="2014-04-01T17:03:54.363" UserId="13271" />
  <row Id="4331" PostId="2503" Score="2" Text="It seems like saying there are too many people willing to spend the effort improving your site is solving the wrong problem." CreationDate="2014-04-01T17:04:39.393" UserId="13271" />
  <row Id="4332" PostId="2503" Score="0" Text="[&quot;human interaction... doesn't blow up like a balloon&quot;](http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html &quot;Clay Shirky, A Group Is Its Own Worst Enemy&quot;). As long as SE team ignores seminal work that laid out a solid, reliable foundation for successful scaling of Stack Overflow, it is unreasonable to expect this flaw to be corrected by community members - multiple hot questions simply put too much work for volunteer contributors to cope with" CreationDate="2014-04-01T17:10:06.787" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4334" PostId="2503" Score="0" Text="Okay, there is a problem. I see that. Does it make sense to take it out on people trying to return something to their community?" CreationDate="2014-04-01T17:55:25.760" UserId="13271" />
  <row Id="4335" PostId="2503" Score="2" Text="Also, I just thought of the perfect adjective to describe good moderator interactions. Professional." CreationDate="2014-04-01T17:56:28.737" UserId="13271" />
  <row Id="4336" PostId="2503" Score="4" Text="@kleineg with all due respect, I've spent a year and a half working towards getting this site to graduate (which it now has). One of the primary problems is chatty and low quality posting from users not familiar with the site. I suspect had this been allowed to be as prevalent as you seem to want, the site would have not been around for you to post on. You can dislike the specific style, but the reality is this site is a question/answer site, not a hugglefest - the voting mechanism here is one way the community can promote good behavior and discourage things which do not improve the community." CreationDate="2014-04-01T17:59:54.397" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4337" PostId="2503" Score="1" Text="Can it be more welcoming? Sure. But right now, that effort requires a huge amount of time and energy and generally speaking, most people seem to want to go &quot;screw you&quot; when presented with information about how the community functions. I tend to be far more patient and optimistic than others - most often positive encouraging falls on deaf ears. Others are likely less inclined to try to baby every single new user here." CreationDate="2014-04-01T18:01:57.763" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4338" PostId="2503" Score="2" Text="I'd suggest you take a trip to [Chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler) as most of the regulars (in fact everyone who has answered this) frequent chat. If you are serious about wanting to be involved in helping make this community better, that would be a great first step." CreationDate="2014-04-01T18:03:08.753" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4341" PostId="2503" Score="1" Text="@kleineg - I encourage you to hop into [chat] and at least say hi. I think once you get to know a few people, it won't feel so awkward. :)" CreationDate="2014-04-02T04:28:44.427" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4333" PostId="2504" Score="0" Text="(I commented earlier today, don't know what happened to it) In addition to the three you saw there were two more answers, one I deleted and one that was deleted. As of now the answer that had been deleted has been [added back](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/21292/when-should-i-include-information-in-my-resume-to-indicate-i-have-a-high-iq/21502#21502) with constructive criticism... However it has attracted **more** downvotes since being undeleted." CreationDate="2014-04-01T17:33:25.773" UserId="13271" />
  <row Id="4339" PostId="2504" Score="0" Text="@kleineg That is an answer on a pretty controversial topic, and almost all the answers there have at least one or two downvotes. It's also a couple days old already and has such a high volume of answers that it's unlikely much will happen to your answer by now. But please, please don't feel discouraged by this. In fact, I invite you to visit us in chat and we (being the people active there) are more than happy to discuss answers you posted or wish to post, with you right away, give you constructive feedback or show appreciation through voting. I'd be more than glad to see you there some time." CreationDate="2014-04-01T19:33:31.487" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4342" PostId="2504" Score="0" Text="@kleineg - I see in your reputation history that you did get two new downvotes on the undeleted question but also an upvote. Whenever you post a meta question about a subject such as this, it draws attention, both good and bad. I can see some other of your posts received two up votes, one from a person undoing their down vote. Also, the act of me editing one of them bumps the thread to the top where more people see it. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-04-02T04:36:31.243" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4343" PostId="2504" Score="0" Text="The way you worded this meta post though, I'd like to think most of the votes have overall been positive or with constructive guiding comments... we really want people like you who care about quality Q&amp;A!" CreationDate="2014-04-02T04:41:01.333" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4344" PostId="2506" Score="1" Text="Cop-out! :) Your (double) answer about asking the mods on another site when dealing with conflicts and people issues **is a good one**, to be sure.  However, many of these situations are so unique that it can be unfair to apply the baggage from situations on other sites to them.  In any case, I'd love to hear what *your* instincts tell you." CreationDate="2014-04-02T05:19:39.023" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="4347" PostId="2506" Score="1" Text="@Nick, I would hope that other mods have tried several approaches, and I could use my understanding of the situation and its quirks to pick the best one to try. If I had to go in blind, I'd gather our moderators (and perhaps a CM) in a chat with the user, explain what we think the issue is, give them a chance to give us their take, and come up with a plan on how to prevent the issue from recurring. If it happens again, have a firmer discussion explaining what behavior is required of them to stay. If it continues to be a problem, be clear about the cause, and issue a temporary suspension." CreationDate="2014-04-02T06:48:04.107" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4353" PostId="2506" Score="0" Text="Thanks for answering!" CreationDate="2014-04-02T21:43:54.387" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="4327" PostId="2507" Score="2" Text="Thank you, I appreciate the constructive comments and will try to improve my posts." CreationDate="2014-04-01T13:29:05.400" UserId="13271" />
  <row Id="4316" PostId="2510" Score="2" Text="Good point on the &quot;first post&quot; review. I wonder if this happens to a lot of new users where their first post is widely accepted but others not, simply because of the isolation of the review queues..." CreationDate="2014-04-01T05:35:58.433" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4320" PostId="2510" Score="0" Text="@jmac while I agree that a lot of questions have people jumping on the bandwagon after they have been answered, I disagree about the method used to discourage this. In one case I saw an answer that mirrored arguments above but was written well (not mine) receive the exact same comments and negative votes and an answer that made no logical sense whatsoever. The comments had nothing to do with the quality of the post and no chance was given to that user to improve or delete the post." CreationDate="2014-04-01T11:53:00.827" UserId="13271" />
  <row Id="4321" PostId="2510" Score="0" Text="For myself, I am not posting answers to hot network questions because I am looking for a lot of traffic, it is mainly due to using links to get around. Not only the list of hot questions on the side but all of the links to related questions favor those with high traffic. I read the question and the answers and only if I think I have original input I have shared it." CreationDate="2014-04-01T12:02:59.543" UserId="13271" />
  <row Id="4340" PostId="2510" Score="2" Text="@klein, I definitely don't want new users to be given unclear messages or be treated poorly, and apologize if my answer came off as condoning that. The reality is that the more answers there are, the higher the standards those answers get held too. Even if there is some measure of original input in adding an answer, I would recommend asking yourself, *&quot;Does this improve the quality of the Q&amp;A over an edit or a comment to another answer?&quot;*" CreationDate="2014-04-01T23:42:43.503" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4345" PostId="2513" Score="0" Text="how exactly are you clicking on the buttons if they don't show up?" CreationDate="2014-04-02T05:32:38.447" UserId="4667" />
  <row Id="4346" PostId="2513" Score="1" Text="@Sathya By guessing where they should be.Also the mouse pointer changes to hand." CreationDate="2014-04-02T05:36:11.647" UserDisplayName="Aditya Patil" />
  <row Id="4350" PostId="2513" Score="0" Text="Are you using google chrome? if so this is a semi known issue" CreationDate="2014-04-02T13:03:10.067" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="4357" PostId="2513" Score="0" Text="@RhysW No, I use Firefox 21.0 on Ubuntu 12.10." CreationDate="2014-04-03T05:05:35.503" UserId="18376" />
  <row Id="4364" PostId="2513" Score="0" Text="Can you add a screenshot next time you see this happen? When you click the arrows, does it look like the vote is registered or do you get an error?" CreationDate="2014-04-04T00:41:10.460" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="4365" PostId="2513" Score="0" Text="@AnnaLear The votes are always registered.I will try to add a screenshot next time I get this." CreationDate="2014-04-04T03:59:48.617" UserId="18376" />
  <row Id="4348" PostId="2516" Score="0" Text="you mean, you want Workplace to be presented in the just list like other sites? Note I don't know how special are mentioned &quot;handicaps&quot; (for some reasons SE team seems to prefer to keep hot list features obscure) - SO certainly has one, and if memory serves Code Golf or Bitcoin had these too" CreationDate="2014-04-02T12:28:45.580" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4349" PostId="2516" Score="1" Text="@gnat I don't want this site to have lots of specific features relative to most SE sites. For example, we already have unique protection rules, this would be another unique thing, etc." CreationDate="2014-04-02T12:49:20.020" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4351" PostId="2516" Score="0" Text="thanks! I think I understand now. If this would be really a unique feature (I can't tell, since I don't know if it is), I would likely be opposed to it as well, for the very reason you point out" CreationDate="2014-04-02T13:12:05.377" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4352" PostId="2516" Score="1" Text="@gnat yeah, I guess my thoughts would change if lots of other sites have their own &quot;filters&quot; or adjustments. At that point I'd emphatically agree :)" CreationDate="2014-04-02T13:14:36.237" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4361" PostId="2516" Score="1" Text="FWIW I was just [reminded at MSO](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/228199/165773) that there's &quot;per-site traffic adjustment&quot; that seems (sorry for being vague but SE team somehow doesn't make it clearer) to be individual for each site, somehow (again, sorry for being vague...) depending on the traffic. So, there is a (vague...) chance that Shog refers to some unknown to us feature which works for every site, possibly (vague...) in a non-specialized way" CreationDate="2014-04-03T07:59:00.000" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4355" PostId="2517" Score="0" Text="+1: Um... Your answer is quite awesome! Thank you!" CreationDate="2014-04-03T02:53:59.547" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4360" PostId="2517" Score="0" Text="@JimG. Thank you!" CreationDate="2014-04-03T07:14:37.623" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4356" PostId="2519" Score="1" Text="Thanks jmac. I've [asked the same question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/228170/league-ranking-link) on MSO like you recommended. I'm going to stay my hand for a bit and if no one shows up with an explanation, you'll get my acceptance." CreationDate="2014-04-03T04:27:28.960" UserId="2536" />
  <row Id="4359" PostId="2522" Score="3" Text="Welcome to Workplace Meta Cole! Thanks for participating. Our community is 100% volunteer, and is made better by people who are willing to improve it (like you're doing here). We really appreciate it, and hope you stick around!" CreationDate="2014-04-03T06:34:13.913" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4362" PostId="2523" Score="0" Text="hmm I had assumed this was just because my Droid 2 was too old to expect it to operate properly" CreationDate="2014-04-03T13:42:55.903" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4363" PostId="2523" Score="2" Text="We're talking the mobile website view, not the Android app, right? Any chance you could grab a screenshot of what you're seeing?" CreationDate="2014-04-03T23:08:50.513" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="4379" PostId="2524" Score="4" Text="@Chad I do see your point, in that the OP said that quitting wasn't an option.  On the other hand, if HopelessN00b is correct, that's coming whether it's an option or not.  Isn't it better that the OP be prepared and jobhunt now, which is the gist of HopelessN00b's answer?" CreationDate="2014-04-04T17:41:14.183" UserDisplayName="user18445" />
  <row Id="4398" PostId="2524" Score="4" Text="For what it's worth, @Katherine, the whole &quot;outsider votes overwhelm the norms of the site&quot; thing is [mostly a myth](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/conversation/voting-patterns-established-users-versus-visitors) - just like [that thing about lemmings and cliffs](http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/2304/do-lemmings-commit-suicide-by-jumping-off-cliffs)..." CreationDate="2014-04-05T18:13:18.067" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4437" PostId="2524" Score="2" Text="[This meta discussion](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2321/2322) is very related." CreationDate="2014-04-06T22:36:23.930" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4511" PostId="2524" Score="1" Text="@shog9 - this site made it here and built up the content that it did and became successful because we followed the path laid out by Jeff and Joel.  We spun off programmers not because we wanted a place to have discussions but because we wanted a place where we could get questions about career growth and office politics answered, not because we wanted to have discussions about it.  The influx of new users is going to change our culture some, but if we let them drag down the standards this place will look like onstartups in a year.  Or worse redit." CreationDate="2014-04-09T14:17:27.807" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4512" PostId="2524" Score="2" Text="So don't let them change it, @Chad! Right now, you - the folks who've brought this site this far - wield all the power. You can't dictate what folks vote for, but you can certainly dictate what sticks around, contributing reputation and privilege. Yes, that requires making some hard choices on borderline cases, but it is what the system was designed for, and allows bootstrapping a much larger active community from a smaller one *even in the face of dissent;* NPR didn't want to hear that, but Progse learned it well." CreationDate="2014-04-09T15:05:45.260" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4519" PostId="2524" Score="2" Text="__Most comments deleted.__ Normally I'm pretty hands-off with long comment threads on metas, because meta is for discussion, but the exchanges here were getting *rather unhelpful*.  Please remember that we can disagree, even passionately, while still remaining civil, 'k?" CreationDate="2014-04-09T16:33:43.083" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4549" PostId="2524" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio, I find it very unhelpful actually that you deleted a comment by PaulDonny which succinctly stated the reasons why some of us upvoted the  answer referred to above.  It was also the top upvoted comment in this post.  I find what you did to be more akin to a political move than cleaning up useless comments..." CreationDate="2014-04-12T21:30:30.993" UserId="5769" />
  <row Id="4550" PostId="2524" Score="0" Text="@daaxix I deleted *30* comments that had gotten rather out of hand, and I tried not to use selective deletion to give one &quot;side&quot; an advantage (which *would* be political, unlike what I did).  I also sanity-checked this with someone else before deleting, by the way.  The best place to respond to a question is *in an answer*, which I hope that either you or Paul will do." CreationDate="2014-04-13T01:47:28.310" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4551" PostId="2524" Score="0" Text="Um @daaxix I just checked the deleted comments and there are none from Paul here." CreationDate="2014-04-13T01:50:27.333" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4552" PostId="2524" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio, perhaps I misremember and it was someone else's comment.  In any case why are you deleting comments on *meta?*..." CreationDate="2014-04-13T08:06:31.173" UserId="5769" />
  <row Id="4553" PostId="2524" Score="0" Text="@daaxix, comments, regardless of where they are posted, are [temporary post-it notes](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment). And just because this is meta doesn't mean that comments don't need to abide by the [be nice](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/behavior) rule." CreationDate="2014-04-14T00:10:06.263" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4366" PostId="2525" Score="0" Text="Any reason for the downvotes other than disagreeing with my opinion?" CreationDate="2014-04-04T16:29:19.543" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4367" PostId="2525" Score="1" Text="see: [Being More Aggressive about &quot;Just Quit&quot; Comments/Answers](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2085/being-more-aggressive-about-just-quit-comments-answers). Per my reading, discussed answer is either just-quit kind or dangerously close to that. Quoting self from one of comments there, _...Any answer of just-quit kind, if not backed up with a compelling defense, is guaranteed to get my downvote - on the grounds of being insufficiently responsible (per DV tooltip: &quot;This answer is not useful&quot;)_" CreationDate="2014-04-04T16:30:47.663" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4368" PostId="2525" Score="3" Text="The post in no way says to quit. It says to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. It states that the OP should follow the plan given and build a safety net in case things go bad. Not once does the poster mention leaving the job." CreationDate="2014-04-04T16:35:31.067" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4369" PostId="2525" Score="2" Text="Just an FYI on meta disscussions upvotes and downvotes are not an indication of post quality just a vote of agree or disagree." CreationDate="2014-04-04T16:38:23.837" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4370" PostId="2525" Score="0" Text="@PaulDonny &quot;I would expect that in 30 days, you'll be called into your manager's office and will be fired&quot; - as I wrote, this reads just-quit or dangerously close to that" CreationDate="2014-04-04T16:40:36.597" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4371" PostId="2525" Score="1" Text="There is nothing here to back it up except the OP's opinion." CreationDate="2014-04-04T16:41:22.543" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4372" PostId="2525" Score="2" Text="@gnat I see that as setting reasonable expectations for the OP. If the manager is at a point to be falsifying records than I would expect that their plan for improvement should at the very least expect to not work there too much longer." CreationDate="2014-04-04T16:44:44.287" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4373" PostId="2525" Score="1" Text="@PaulDonny I would possibly buy that if it was presented with greater care. As written, it doesn't read so. In regular answers, I wouldn't nitpick about details like that, but just-quit ones make an exception" CreationDate="2014-04-04T16:48:14.093" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4374" PostId="2525" Score="2" Text="@gnat I did mention in my post (Look at it up there) that the OP should add more into it than just that. However I do feel as though it is an acceptable answer as it sets the expectations correctly in my opinion. While there should be more to answer the Questions, it answers the situation correctly in my eyes." CreationDate="2014-04-04T16:50:39.300" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4394" PostId="2526" Score="6" Text="Your parallel is completely inaccurate. The doctor is not trying to convince someone else to kill this person by telling them half truths. If that was the case, and the doctor's killer ultimately held the decision whether or not the person was to die, than I would probably say that the person is highly likely to die. That is closer to the situation that the OP described." CreationDate="2014-04-05T17:19:44.170" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4401" PostId="2526" Score="1" Text="@PaulDonny how is it any different? A situation with some assertions is presented - with negative implications. In one case, answers would focus on the chances for success (the doctor situation). This answer however focuses exclusively on the negatives and ignores any chance of success." CreationDate="2014-04-05T19:14:14.950" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4412" PostId="2526" Score="3" Text="The doctor in your scenario does not appear to be actively attempting to kill the patient. In the poster's scenario his boss does appear to be actively attempting to get the OP fired. There is a huge difference. Now, if the doctor is prescribing fatal doses of medication to your patient, it would be closer to the scenario in the post." CreationDate="2014-04-05T22:19:47.953" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4473" PostId="2528" Score="0" Text="'Should be working' - but if it isn't, what might be the reason? And I tried it with IE 9 and Chrome." CreationDate="2014-04-07T23:12:19.147" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="4484" PostId="2528" Score="0" Text="@thursdaysgeek Sorry, I commented on the MSO thread and forgot to update here as well. We had it turned back on, and then discovered it was very expensive to calculate for every single user on every single site. It's been turned off until we can figure out a way to optimize that." CreationDate="2014-04-08T17:46:39.997" UserId="1249" />
  <row Id="4485" PostId="2528" Score="0" Text="How about a link there, instead of the ranking, so only if the link is clicked is the ranking calculated.  That would reduce the requests significantly." CreationDate="2014-04-08T17:57:26.430" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="4397" PostId="2530" Score="3" Text="Hey Paul, how would you choose to word this? Perhaps offering an alternative would help folks find a better solution. Would you find &quot;pack mentality&quot; offensive? What word would work in this case to convey the point without being inflammatory?" CreationDate="2014-04-05T17:51:24.697" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4399" PostId="2530" Score="1" Text="jmort, pack mentality describes what is happening, not using a term that can be deemed as derogatory towards individual users. For example 'This answer is up voted due to pack mentality', or telling your boss 'This solution is selected because of pack mentality but this other option is better' would be acceptable in my eyes. Saying 'Lemmings are up voting this' or saying to your boss 'You only like this solution because you are a lemming' would likely not have such  a desirable result and ultimately make users here defensive and have your boss fire you." CreationDate="2014-04-05T18:17:31.277" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4402" PostId="2530" Score="2" Text="@PaulDonny an interesting perspective you may wish to consider is to start a new job and immediately start criticizing all existing policies and procedures without fully understanding them. Disrespect goes both ways (not with this post, I am glad you brought this up, because although I have never used &quot;lemmings&quot; to the best of my knowledge it is a good topic to be aware of). It can be equally frustrating and disrespectful for people who have put lots of time and effort into something for others to show up and start telling them how to run things without spending time to understand them first." CreationDate="2014-04-05T19:49:33.920" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4403" PostId="2530" Score="1" Text="@PaulDonny - It's probably worth considering that choice of words do matter, and it's worth us all trying to be careful in how we do word things so that our message isn't lost. So in short, your advice is to describe the behavior, not the person." CreationDate="2014-04-05T20:31:11.020" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4404" PostId="2530" Score="0" Text="@enderland typically I do just that and thus far it has been quite successful. I am not scared to call BS when I see it." CreationDate="2014-04-05T20:43:12.930" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4405" PostId="2530" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 my sentiment exactly" CreationDate="2014-04-05T21:09:45.727" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4396" PostId="2531" Score="2" Text="_Resist pack mentality. You may find that highly voted posts have a certain appeal that kind of makes you compulsory follow the &quot;majority vote&quot;. Resist that appeal, because making a habit of blindly following the score may damage your ability to evaluate content.&#xA;&#xA;When you see a highly voted post, don't just click the up or down arrow - don't even limit yourself to quickly skimming it. Stop, take a deep breath, carefully study the post, form your own opinion - and only after that, vote as you find appropriate._ ([quote source](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/313/168))" CreationDate="2014-04-05T17:47:45.367" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4411" PostId="2531" Score="1" Text="&quot;I didn't think of &quot;lemming&quot; as being an objectionable term&quot; I do. And if you look back at the contexts within which it was used, I think it was intended to be derogatory and demeaning." CreationDate="2014-04-05T22:17:44.727" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4414" PostId="2531" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere - Context does matter, so I can see how it can be taken the wrong way. Let's all make it a point to pay attention to *how* we say things, as that's just as important as *what* we say, especially when the goal is to persuade others to take a specific course of action." CreationDate="2014-04-05T22:22:47.150" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4429" PostId="2531" Score="3" Text="Fun aside: not even lemmings behave like lemmings. The whole meme of lemmings following one another off of a cliff was actually based on a nature doc filmed by Disney in the 1950s which faked their reaction (and which, yes, threw a bunch of lemmings off of a cliff)." CreationDate="2014-04-06T02:08:12.693" UserId="17355" />
  <row Id="4566" PostId="2531" Score="0" Text="It's important to understand that different people have different motivations for voting.  Some people focus on how well a post adheres to the formal guidelines, others take a more subjective approach; and it's good that they do.  Not all good answers follow the guidelines, nor is it true that an answer in breach of the guidelines cannot be good.  Rigid and uniform adherence to rules can be nearly as subversive/diluting as having no rules at all.  When &quot;lemmings&quot; vote up a response that is technically flawed, the issue isn't that they voted wrong but that the technical rules are imperfect." CreationDate="2014-04-14T14:42:28.683" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="4417" PostId="2532" Score="4" Text="I agree with a lot of your post here enderland. And while you touch on a lot of the correct points you seem to in a lot of ways attempt to be making a justification for disrespect. As for the strict standards to questions, that works amazingly well to a Q&amp;A board where there is solidified answers to nearly all situations. Since the workplace is about dealing with humans and not software, there is no single answer for any given situation. As such, I might know a good course of action for someone but I can not actually say 'This happened to me June 5th 1991 and I did this'." CreationDate="2014-04-05T23:09:12.607" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4430" PostId="2532" Score="1" Text="&quot;No one here is intentionally being disrespectful.&quot; I have to respectfully disagree. If you search for &quot;lemming&quot; in Chat, and then follow some of the conversations, I think many would come to a different conclusion." CreationDate="2014-04-06T11:01:29.563" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4433" PostId="2532" Score="1" Text="@PaulDonny `Since the workplace is about dealing with humans and not software, there is no single answer for any given situation` &lt;-- This means the opposite of what you say is true. Because TWP is not &quot;copy/paste/test&quot; it is even *more important* for answers to be high quality. The &quot;why is this answer valid?&quot; explanation matters so much more because if you don't explain why, then how is an asker supposed to evaluate which applies to their situation? In specific technical situations you can almost always test multiple things and evaluate which is best. You can't do that with TWP answers." CreationDate="2014-04-06T21:34:44.470" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4407" PostId="2533" Score="1" Text="Without naming names, pointing fingers, and tossing people under the bus, how do you propose we keep things on a civil level? What's your advice to the community as a whole?  I remember reading that part of the &quot;forum problem&quot; is a hostility that forms in communities over time. We definitely don't want the forum problem, whether it be too much noise or too much hostility..." CreationDate="2014-04-05T21:57:16.297" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4408" PostId="2533" Score="2" Text="Leaders show the way. What you as a moderator do, and others with a &quot;high pointcount/reputation&quot; do, is noted by others. My hope is that respectful behavior begets respectful, professional behavior. My hope for this community has always been that it will strive in every way possible to help people. Unfortunately, I see behavior indicating that SEO is apparently a more primary goal. I think that's unfortunate, but hope that the two goals can be reconciled." CreationDate="2014-04-05T22:03:02.617" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4409" PostId="2533" Score="3" Text="I see signs here of a growing us-versus-them mentality.  I hope that ends here soon. I have seen that become the ruin of other forums." CreationDate="2014-04-05T22:04:10.557" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4410" PostId="2533" Score="2" Text="Very well stated Joe. I really feel like this community should be held to a much higher standard than others. I will admit that everyone, including myself, has bad posts and bad days. I am in no way singling anyone out. The lemmings portion was just an example. I feel like any derogatory or sarcastic remarks in any form here would be detrimental to the overall experience of the workplace." CreationDate="2014-04-05T22:15:08.223" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4413" PostId="2533" Score="0" Text="Our goal is to make the Internet a better place, and that does go beyond the Q&amp;A portion. It includes meta, [chat], comments, etc..." CreationDate="2014-04-05T22:21:08.033" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4415" PostId="2533" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 - I hear you, but I feel like &quot;make the Internet a better place&quot; is a very vague goal and can be used to justify a lot of different behaviors. I'd settle for &quot;help the people who come here and ask questions&quot; - particularly when the two goals are in conflict. Still, I'm not going to argue the rules or goals of Workplace - that's for you and others to decide." CreationDate="2014-04-05T22:30:21.967" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4416" PostId="2533" Score="1" Text="You too, @JoeStrazzere, making the Internet a better place can be broken down into other goals as well. It's just one message that Jeff and Joel have conveyed from the very beginnings of Stack Overflow, so I lean on that a bit. Maybe what Workplace SE needs is a Workplace Bill of Rights or standards for civility or something to help clarify important aspects that help us prevent the forum problem..." CreationDate="2014-04-05T22:33:24.860" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4431" PostId="2533" Score="2" Text="I want to add that as an active user here, if you feel people specifically (which your post strongly implies) are being disrespectful you should say something. I read most of the content on Workplace, meta, and chat, and cannot recall a *single* instance (other than this thread) raising any &quot;hey this seems disrespectful&quot; perspective, ever." CreationDate="2014-04-06T21:25:28.140" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4432" PostId="2533" Score="1" Text="Many of us spend the majority of our answers basically saying, &quot;talk with your boss/coworker&quot; because in most cases that is the first step to conflict resolution. Passive aggressive answers like this one are *never* a good solution, nor is &quot;woe is me, I hope someone else helps fix the problem I'm aware of.&quot; You are an active member of this community and have a lot of rep - if you feel the community is heading in the wrong direction because of specific people/trends, all the answers you provide towards coworker interactions and &quot;talk with your boss/coworker&quot; applies just as much here." CreationDate="2014-04-06T21:27:03.817" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4434" PostId="2533" Score="0" Text="`I see signs here of a growing us-versus-them mentality.` I haven't noticed a recent resurgence, but I'd be willing to wager that there's less of this now relative to the start of the public Beta. It was pretty insane back then.  Joe - Do you have specific examples of this recent &quot;Us vs. Them&quot; culture? If so, I will flag away." CreationDate="2014-04-06T21:43:22.497" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4435" PostId="2533" Score="1" Text="@enderland - &quot;Passive aggressive answers like this one are never a good solution&quot;. I guess we are each entitled to our own viewpoints." CreationDate="2014-04-06T22:07:12.103" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4436" PostId="2533" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere you know as well as I do that people who are unaware others perceive their actions disrespectful will likely never change those actions. Oftentimes, people are more than willing to change their actions in light of feedback. Obviously this isn't 100% the case but it often is an easy way to resolve conflict in a constructive way." CreationDate="2014-04-06T22:11:50.370" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4418" PostId="2534" Score="2" Text="Hello HopelessN00b, as an exercise, let's just assume none of us know 100% what the answer is but that there's a certain *probability* of the person getting fired and needing to look for work. Assuming the details in the question suggest this is likely, would it make more sense to do both... dust off the resume yet at the same time try to improve at work?" CreationDate="2014-04-06T00:00:31.427" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4419" PostId="2534" Score="2" Text="I'd like to see even one person saying, &quot;I work in HR. I would, if my company decided definitely to fire someone in 30 days time, tell that employee they are required to 'significantly improve in order to avoid further disciplinary action'&quot;. That is what the HR guy said/endorsed in the written warning. There's a difference between HR believing someone will fail (and hence a PIP is a path to fire them) vs deciding to fire them whether they improve or not. The manager is clearly hostile but for your answer to be correct the HR guy is *also* lying. That seems to me plausible but *not* obvious." CreationDate="2014-04-06T00:10:34.663" UserId="13722" />
  <row Id="4420" PostId="2534" Score="2" Text="@jmort I believe I did with: `So, definitely keep your boss happy and work on &quot;improving&quot; according to the plan he gave you, because this will at least give you a little room to breathe, but outside the hours of 9-5, you should be pounding the pavement hard and procuring a new job (and over your lunch hours, too).` Not as prominent as some would like, but as I said, I didn't want to draw focus from what I believe is the most important thing in this situation.  The other answers to that question also do a great job of suggesting how to improve, leaving me with no value to add on that topic." CreationDate="2014-04-06T00:12:12.293" UserId="3188" />
  <row Id="4421" PostId="2534" Score="0" Text="Of course there are plenty of people who upvoted you who clearly share your view. That being the case it doesn't really matter whether I'm right to be uncertain about what HR is planning, since the top-voted answer is supposed to be whatever the most people agree with, not what is correct :-) Fundamentally if the OP comes back in 30 days and says &quot;I was fired&quot; then neither of us is proven correct or incorrect. If OP comes back in 30 days and says &quot;I was not fired&quot; then you are certainly incorrect and I'm correct. So your claim at least has the virtue of falsifiability." CreationDate="2014-04-06T00:12:15.750" UserId="13722" />
  <row Id="4422" PostId="2534" Score="4" Text="@SteveJessop The HR guy doesn't have to be lying - why would the boss tell HR that his plan is to fire the guy, regardless?  When I've seen this go down, more often than not, HR is not in on it, but generally, to fire someone these days, you need HR to sign off. Which is the whole purposed of a PIP like this - get HR sign off for employee's future termination." CreationDate="2014-04-06T00:16:45.613" UserId="3188" />
  <row Id="4423" PostId="2534" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b: It's not clear to me that it is the manager's decision. Looks like HR told the manager, &quot;you cannot fire this person unless X&quot;. We don't know what X is, but another thing I'd like to see is someone say, &quot;I work in HR. We tell managers to administer a PIP and we don't follow up whether the employee satisfied the conditions in the PIP before signing off on the firing. Low-level managers can do what they like, we're just here to file the paperwork!&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-06T00:17:16.653" UserId="13722" />
  <row Id="4424" PostId="2534" Score="0" Text="@HopelessN00b - Hey, I made an edit on your behalf. I basically added in headings (and an opening sentence on the last paragraph) to make that part stand out. feel free to put all that in your own words. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-04-06T00:19:28.173" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4425" PostId="2534" Score="1" Text="@SteveJessop Well, maybe, maybe not. The poster didn't say, so we can't know... though at least in my experience, hiring and firing power ultimately lies with the manager, rather than HR (even if HR usually gets a veto).  When we get right down to it, everyone's making assumptions here, and we have to, because we're never going to have perfect information, so we just have to do the best we can with imperfect information, which almost always means filling in the blanks with assumptions and personal experience." CreationDate="2014-04-06T00:22:38.690" UserId="3188" />
  <row Id="4469" PostId="2535" Score="0" Text="Answers are still expected to meet the standards for an answer on the site.  If I were to ask a question on SO about how do I solve an issue using Java, then someone comes along and says well Java is yesterdays language use python instead, even though the python solution might work, its not a valid answer to the question." CreationDate="2014-04-07T15:43:32.767" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4465" PostId="2537" Score="0" Text="*In this example, the answerer did address what the asker should do to increase the likelihood of not being terminated, even though the answerer doesn't feel it's possible.* - Actually he did not address this he basically just said do what you can.  Being that the OP of the question did not know what that was I do not see how anyone can say that &quot;Just do what you can&quot; is a reasonable attempt to answer that question." CreationDate="2014-04-07T13:40:29.017" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4466" PostId="2537" Score="0" Text="The other problem is it really does not explain why or back up the assertion that the OP is going to be fired regardless of what they do." CreationDate="2014-04-07T13:41:44.073" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4467" PostId="2537" Score="0" Text="I do see where you're coming from. There's an interpretation of what the answerer is seeing, but perhaps it's not so clear how he came to that conclusion, even though there's a detailed description of what the asker should do. *It's the whole teach to fish vs give a fish scenario*. In the interests of clarity, would you be able to put yourself in the shoes of an answerer who thinks the person is 95% likely to be terminated and give an example of a statement that would satisfy the back it up rule? Sometimes seeing examples help us all see where we're coming from." CreationDate="2014-04-07T14:09:54.667" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4468" PostId="2537" Score="1" Text="*would you be able to put yourself in the shoes of an answerer who thinks the person is 95% likely to be terminated and give an example of a statement that would satisfy the back it up rule* I did that its currently the number 2 rated answer... and honestly if the OP had said 95% sure or even 99%, I would be ok with this answer.  This one is 100% you are getting fired.  That needs back up to 100%  that is a higher bar when you go to the absolute" CreationDate="2014-04-07T14:17:25.910" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4490" PostId="2538" Score="0" Text="&gt; Previous discussions and FAQ discussions indicate nearly universal support for this to be part of the site. Yes. There *is* universal support for *a* &quot;back-it up&quot; policy, but we don't universally agree with your guidance for it. [Here's my opinion.](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1627/we-need-to-downvote-answers-more-even-mediocre-ones/1894#1894)" CreationDate="2014-04-06T23:49:17.117" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4494" PostId="2538" Score="0" Text="How do we get more people to read this?  Especially the newer users that are taking over the site" CreationDate="2014-04-08T19:33:37.677" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4439" PostId="2539" Score="1" Text="This is nearly exactly what I think should happen for the FAQ/back it up principle, all I'd add is that there be a detailed meta post type thing which basically is &quot;What does it mean to explain why my answer is correct?&quot; and a lengthier explanation and examples." CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:10:21.923" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4440" PostId="2539" Score="0" Text="Yeh, I don't think a reference is required. In some situations, it can be helpful especially when there's a legal component. I always feel more confident about information I'm reading where someone also points me to official documentation. Sometimes it just takes a moment to google around for it, knowing that someone with the question might not know what keywords to look for, but you as an expert knows that it's &quot;US Copyright law on work products for freelancers&quot; for instance..." CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:12:33.807" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4441" PostId="2539" Score="2" Text="[cont'd] - Basically, the key is to just provide enough information to where someone unfamiliar with the topic can take what you're saying and make an informed decision themselves..." CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:13:20.427" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4457" PostId="2539" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - I agree. A relevant reference is certainly helpful, but not always (or even usually) available." CreationDate="2014-04-07T04:26:59.967" UserId="17404" />
  <row Id="4448" PostId="2541" Score="1" Text="Part of the reason it's not enforced across the board is there's a lot of posts here, and judging answers to subjective questions is... well... subjective... With that said, I'm sure we all agree we don't want to become Yahoo Answers. That's an extreme scenario, of course, but regardless of the outcome of this discussion, it's probably wise for us to change course slowly. Thus, how would you reword the back it up principle so that there's balance between good answers but without being too overzealous?" CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:37:28.867" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4451" PostId="2541" Score="2" Text="I believe it's preferable to gently lead folks to an understanding of goodness like this: &quot;The best answers are often backed up either with a reference, or experiences that happened to you personally. You should always try to include in your answer information about why you think your answer is correct.&quot; That way, we are mentors, leaders and guides, rather than judges, juries, and enforcers. Just my $0.02." CreationDate="2014-04-07T01:39:30.647" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4442" PostId="2542" Score="0" Text="Just to play devils advocate for a moment, but does that knowledge have to come from a specific book or site you visited?  Could you really quickly Google for something similar?  I know it can be a lot of work, but sometimes it's nice to see some official research to support someone's interpretation about how to solve a problem." CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:16:43.787" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4443" PostId="2542" Score="0" Text="And what if I google, do a quick overview, cite it and then that page is referring to a totally different issue? We have discussed the issue with Googling stuff and how you can spend 8 hours reading something to realize it was not what you wanted all along." CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:22:01.097" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4444" PostId="2542" Score="0" Text="`The Internet has never lied to me. - Anonymous`" CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:27:49.383" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4445" PostId="2542" Score="0" Text="It depends on the topic. For me, I always feel more confident about an answer that mentions law, when there's a reference, because even if, for instance, you cite something from New York law but I'm in Oregon, I can still use the terminology to find the relevant legal text in my own jurisdiction. In most cases, actual cited references aren't really needed and I definitely get what you're saying.  Alternatively, maybe we're taking some questions that we're really not built to handle..." CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:27:56.980" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4446" PostId="2542" Score="2" Text="PaulDonny, do you think it's reasonable to ask for explanations of how one came to a specific conclusion, assuming we agree links aren't required?" CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:29:48.137" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4447" PostId="2542" Score="0" Text="Yes, the logic should be explained, not just to better prove the answer but to ensure that the person(s) needing the answer understand the steps and so that future visitors can utilize the answer for their issue that is similar." CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:34:55.897" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4449" PostId="2542" Score="2" Text="I do not support making an already nebulous blurb even less clear by adding that it is optional. At that point you might as well remove it entirely." CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:41:26.110" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4450" PostId="2542" Score="2" Text="@PaulDonny - I think the way you worded that will speak to people. I hear many people say &quot;I'm just trying to help&quot;. So perhaps by wording it as &quot;better explanations provide more value to people who need our help&quot; might seem less repressive, for lack of a better word." CreationDate="2014-04-07T00:46:14.607" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4481" PostId="2542" Score="0" Text="I am mixed on your answer I like your rewording but I think your first paragraph is condecending and rude to those of us who worked really hard to get it to this point." CreationDate="2014-04-08T15:57:49.017" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4482" PostId="2542" Score="0" Text="I did not mean for it to be rude or condescending and after re-reading it I agree that it could easily be interpreted as such. I am sure that during beta it was something that was beyond needed. However, now it is something that can restrict great answers from being given because they have an inability to give a reference (Or the person simply doesn't have the time to look them up)." CreationDate="2014-04-08T16:15:02.020" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4514" PostId="2542" Score="0" Text="BTW the problem with just posting &quot;common sense&quot; is that it is not common sense to everyone.  While some things seem pretty obvious to you those things are not so obvious to me.  If the common sense is correct the you should be able to explain why." CreationDate="2014-04-09T15:23:34.683" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4515" PostId="2542" Score="1" Text="If it needs a reference and does not have one then it can not be a great answer." CreationDate="2014-04-09T15:30:14.090" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4452" PostId="2543" Score="0" Text="How does &quot;Please note that answers should provide more sufficient explanation as why the answer is correct. The logic and reasoning should be explained not just to prove the answer but to ensure that the person(s) needing the answer understand the steps and so that future visitors can utilize the answer for their issue that is similar.&quot; sound to you? It feels like a slightly more diplomatic way to say your point." CreationDate="2014-04-07T02:03:49.447" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4453" PostId="2543" Score="2" Text="Perhaps a combination of the two, @PaulDonny.  Ironically, there's a psychological aspect to how long something is. Too short, and it omits details and sounds curt; too long, and we lose the reader.  Also, sometimes I'm not quite sure what audience the help center targets. Many times, I feel like it targets regular contributors, like an owners manual. In fact, it sometimes acts as reference material for when I'm trying to figure out what to do with something. In short, what I like about the way enderland words this is it acts as a simpler guide for how we all approach community moderation." CreationDate="2014-04-07T02:15:20.093" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4454" PostId="2543" Score="3" Text="Also keep in mind it's about 0% chance anyone will read that FAQ section *before* posting an answer and getting it downvoted." CreationDate="2014-04-07T02:28:28.150" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4455" PostId="2543" Score="0" Text="Good point. That just further supports the idea that the largest help center audience is likely to be the existing user base, regardless of what the intended audience is..." CreationDate="2014-04-07T02:46:25.417" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4456" PostId="2543" Score="2" Text="@jmort253 that's why I think having a larger meta post explaining &quot;What does 'back it up' mean?&quot; that can be linked to posts in question is a big part of the answer to how this should actually work here in practice." CreationDate="2014-04-07T02:54:52.513" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4459" PostId="2543" Score="0" Text="@jmort253, So a basic, small rule in the FAQ with a linked post to a Meta post that explains in further detail as to why the rule exists and gives more in-depth details to the rule? Sounds great, but when flagging/down voting because of it, it would be better to post a link to both (Or on the rules put something that makes it clear that the link gives further information and should be followed)." CreationDate="2014-04-07T12:52:48.290" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4480" PostId="2543" Score="0" Text="I disagree with removing the first half" CreationDate="2014-04-08T15:54:43.320" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4472" PostId="2546" Score="0" Text="see also: [One user seem to be posting from (at least) four accounts, please help to sort it out](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2291/one-user-seem-to-be-posting-from-at-least-four-accounts-please-help-to-sort-i). This is becoming a bit too cumbersome; I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually request for requiring registration for askers, like it was done at Stack Overflow and at Programmers" CreationDate="2014-04-07T20:21:45.327" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4470" PostId="2547" Score="6" Text="It's smaller because tomorrow is so far away." CreationDate="2014-04-07T19:57:22.123" UserId="15912" />
  <row Id="4471" PostId="2547" Score="3" Text="and there's something I just have to say?" CreationDate="2014-04-07T20:07:46.137" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4474" PostId="2548" Score="1" Text="Another possibility is &quot;primarily opinion based&quot;. The way I tell the difference is generally if people are asking questions in the comments or if people are giving unsubstantiated opinions in the comments." CreationDate="2014-04-08T01:48:00.033" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4475" PostId="2548" Score="2" Text="@jmort253 I've voted that reason very few times since it was added, I think the majority of our questions fall into the &quot;what are you asking&quot; or &quot;what is your problem&quot; territory." CreationDate="2014-04-08T02:39:59.923" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="4477" PostId="2549" Score="0" Text="for the reference, here is an example (status-completed) request to establish registration requirement for askers, along with example justification: http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/3947/what-can-we-do-about-extremely-low-quality-questions-from-unregistered-users (our justification, if any, would likely differ, it's only an example)" CreationDate="2014-04-08T08:18:07.100" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4492" PostId="2550" Score="0" Text="This is a good point, if most of the comments are 'me too' or jokes then it's better off having those comments deleted, than holding the question" CreationDate="2014-04-08T19:00:34.670" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="4500" PostId="2550" Score="0" Text="Fully agreed panoptical. If you (or any other member of the community) see things like this, adding a comment pointing them to [chat] (you can use `[chat]` to automagically add a link), editing the question with any clarifications, or encouraging people to flesh out their comments in to actual answers would be appreciated. Thanks in advance!" CreationDate="2014-04-09T01:46:19.303" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4483" PostId="2553" Score="4" Text="This is not my opinion but one I think needs to be in the discussion.  I will not object to edits that make this a more &quot;Appealing&quot; option to our newer users." CreationDate="2014-04-08T17:40:45.797" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4495" PostId="2554" Score="6" Text="Congrats to you all! Thanks again to Jim and NickC for their contributions up until now, hopefully we will still see you both active around here as regular users" CreationDate="2014-04-08T20:11:51.360" UserDisplayName="user5305" />
  <row Id="4496" PostId="2554" Score="4" Text="I add my congratulations.  Well done and good luck!" CreationDate="2014-04-08T20:17:17.083" UserId="17" />
  <row Id="4497" PostId="2554" Score="2" Text="@NickC - They already took your diamond :( Thanks for everything you did here." CreationDate="2014-04-08T20:21:56.033" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4498" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="@NickC: Thanks, man. Good luck with everything." CreationDate="2014-04-08T23:14:01.690" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4499" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="Congratulations! Now don't just sit there - go and moderate! ;-)" CreationDate="2014-04-08T23:23:31.993" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4510" PostId="2554" Score="0" Text="Congratulations!" CreationDate="2014-04-09T11:49:22.693" UserId="869" />
  <row Id="4520" PostId="2556" Score="1" Text="*We should avoid name-calling because it violates be nice.* - Yes if I were to refer to you(or an other specific user) as a Lemming, or call your vote a Lemming up-vote it would.  In this case it is not referring to any one specifically. There should be for to be no violation of be nice in this case." CreationDate="2014-04-09T17:26:27.407" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4521" PostId="2556" Score="2" Text="While &quot;$user is a lemming&quot; is more personal and blatant, I'm not sure &quot;outsiders who aren't part of our 'in crowd' are lemmings&quot; is really any nicer -- it's just less *directed*.  I'm not trying to be the Niceness Police; I'm just trying to get us to focus on behaviors over labels that, demonstrably, bother some." CreationDate="2014-04-09T20:02:10.323" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4522" PostId="2556" Score="1" Text="That was not what I said at all and actually take offense at you claiming that." CreationDate="2014-04-10T03:51:18.787" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4535" PostId="2556" Score="0" Text="You said it's ok to call unnamed people lemmings.  I say it's still not nice.  I was notputting specific words into your mouth; it was an example of what your position would permit." CreationDate="2014-04-10T13:24:11.240" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4536" PostId="2556" Score="1" Text="*&quot;outsiders who aren't part of our 'in crowd' are lemmings* - that is the line that no one has said or inferred, and that is the line I take great offense at your claiming is the case.  People are not lemmings for disagreeing, they are lemmings for not bothering to try and figure out what right answer is and just assuming that the highest voted answer is correct and piling on." CreationDate="2014-04-10T13:59:09.610" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4537" PostId="2556" Score="0" Text="I've seen that kind of language in the Water Cooler.  Maybe not you; I wasn't talking specifically about you but about an attitude.  Your first comment seems to condone that; if I misunderstood you I apologize.  I believe you have misunderstood me." CreationDate="2014-04-10T14:02:05.020" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4538" PostId="2556" Score="1" Text="I challenge you to find somewhere in chat that someone was called a lemming for not being part of the &quot;in crowd&quot;... of which i am not really sure who that is" CreationDate="2014-04-10T14:04:38.100" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4539" PostId="2556" Score="0" Text="I don't care nearly enough to dig through reams of chat to have an argument with you. *I am not talking about you.* I *am*, however, concerned if people think it's ok to say &quot;people who do X are being lemmings&quot; *just because* they don't name those people, but they wouldn't agree it's ok if they named them. I'm saying *that doesn't matter*. It's like saying that &quot;Xs are bad&quot; (insert any X - political party, people from a certain town, people who like eggplant, whatever) is ok but saying &quot;Bob (who is an X) is bad&quot; isn't ok; to *Bob* it's not nice either way. We can do better. I'm done now." CreationDate="2014-04-10T14:12:35.860" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4540" PostId="2556" Score="1" Text="I care because you called me and others out saying we are doing something that violated the policy, then point to somewhere nebulous to say you said it there, but I know that it was not said. When it has been said in chat it was in reference to the same inner circle as we head of to SO to give them a taste of the problem they refuse to believe exists." CreationDate="2014-04-10T14:35:45.463" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4526" PostId="2558" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/broken-windows/info" CreationDate="2014-04-10T06:48:39.757" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4531" PostId="2558" Score="1" Text="Hey Jake, sorry, I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out which question you're trying to ask. Are you asking why the questions that you reference were closed/not closed? Or whether the question you are talking about is appropriate for the site? Your title asks about one, the question in the body asks the other. Mind a clarification? Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-04-10T07:36:43.977" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4532" PostId="2558" Score="0" Text="@jmac Thanks for your interest. I am asking why the questions are closed/not closed. For example http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/566/how-can-i-measure-motivation-in-an-interview has the same theme as those closed ones, I still don't really understand the difference. Maybe my English is bad?" CreationDate="2014-04-10T08:49:23.473" UserDisplayName="user5473" />
  <row Id="4533" PostId="2558" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the clarification Jake -- don't worry about your English, it's great, our community can just be a bit confusing at first. I'll try to give you a good answer later on. Thanks for bringing it up on meta!" CreationDate="2014-04-10T08:51:03.627" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4523" PostId="2559" Score="0" Text="How about asking what tools they use to measure? There the questions I linked asked the same." CreationDate="2014-04-10T03:52:57.277" UserDisplayName="user5473" />
  <row Id="4524" PostId="2559" Score="1" Text="I urge you to ask the question I put here first.  But you can ask what ever you like.  I think you have a tool looking for a problem to solve.  The what tools question will likely be considered a shopping list question and closed." CreationDate="2014-04-10T03:55:59.530" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4525" PostId="2559" Score="0" Text="You could ask an effective way to measure productivity in a specific job activity, but I suspect most general office type work would be too broad to ask.  And once you get it down to the specific type my guess is you do not need to ask the question." CreationDate="2014-04-10T03:57:50.197" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4534" PostId="2559" Score="0" Text="Sorry, but wouldn't &quot;You could even ask how to determine the acceptable range.&quot; also be subjective? How do you know which method is correct or the best?" CreationDate="2014-04-10T08:51:24.823" UserDisplayName="user5473" />
  <row Id="4576" PostId="2559" Score="0" Text="There is [good subjective and bad subjective.](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/)  In general good questions ask the how and why, not the which and what." CreationDate="2014-04-15T15:31:21.320" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4527" PostId="2562" Score="1" Text="FWIW, when deciding on whether to post it at MSO or here, I picked our meta because request is based on site specific FAQ" CreationDate="2014-04-10T06:56:26.900" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4686" PostId="2562" Score="3" Text="Does a question that already has 10 or 20 answers posted to it really need another one?" CreationDate="2014-05-07T23:38:29.730" UserId="519" />
  <row Id="4687" PostId="2562" Score="1" Text="@RobertHarvey http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/166566/lots-of-not-always-useful-but-well-intentioned-answers _The problem is there is a huge culture on many sites - The Workplace in particular - of &quot;oh this answer adds some value, so even though it's not really a good answer or isn't totally answering the question I'll toss an upvote at it&quot; or the drive by &quot;gonna upvote all answers!!&quot; type voting..._" CreationDate="2014-05-07T23:41:06.817" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6688" PostId="2562" Score="1" Text="Thanks for a feature that I'll always ignore and never use. It's far too aggressive. The warning appears when there are just **two** flipping answers!" CreationDate="2014-11-14T23:01:49.850" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6689" PostId="2562" Score="0" Text="@JimG. I am not sure I follow. If one can make a valuable and original answer, it is worth adding no matter if question has no answers or one or ten or more. It's only that currently, system makes it easy to add garbage answers and difficult to add original ones" CreationDate="2014-11-15T12:52:10.430" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7558" PostId="2562" Score="0" Text="related: [What can we do about me-too answers?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/172/168)" CreationDate="2015-08-18T06:17:43.357" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4541" PostId="2565" Score="2" Text="In practice, I don't think any experienced SO moderator would decline a flag on a crap post because it hadn't *baked* long enough yet; that's the sort of luxury reserved for very low-traffic sites. Either the post is so worthless that needs to be removed, or it doesn't - either way, the onus is on the *flagger* to verify that the situation is beyond his control, not the moderators or other community members *responding* to the flag. Moderators and trusted users will occasionally edit to save the occasional &quot;gem in the rough&quot;, but such responses are very much the exception rather than the rule." CreationDate="2014-04-10T18:57:03.590" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4542" PostId="2565" Score="2" Text="@Shog9 I know how it's supposed to work (with 6K flags at 3 other sites besides Workplace I am pretty confident stating that): _1) vote down and comment 2) wait for 1 to 7 days (sometimes 2 weeks) 3) flag for moderator_. I suggest that keeping &quot;phase 2&quot; (wait) at Workplace would do more harm than good and laid down reasons why I think so" CreationDate="2014-04-10T19:04:06.160" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4543" PostId="2565" Score="1" Text="*&quot;I fail to see how above approach can scale.&quot;* Well, it scales better than having the moderators intervene every single time someone makes a bad answer. It takes time for me to parse through the question and answer, evaluate the flag, check the comments to see what I need to add (if any), and then handle the flag. We have had [over 4500 active users in the past 30 days](http://data.stackexchange.com/workplace/revision/182324/234768/recently-active-users-within-last-30-days-and-activity-level). We have 3 mods. We need a scalable way to handle content, I don't think this is it." CreationDate="2014-04-10T23:32:28.287" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4544" PostId="2565" Score="0" Text="@jmac thanks a lot!!! Not that I agree (I haven't yet made my mind on it) but that's an important point missing in my analysis. It's definitely worth giving a thought, I'll update the answer (and conclusion if it turns out necessary:) after I'm done pondering" CreationDate="2014-04-11T06:48:13.727" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4545" PostId="2565" Score="0" Text="[This query](http://data.stackexchange.com/workplace/query/182324/recently-active-users-within-last-30-days-and-activity-level) may help. It shows active users in the last 30 days by rep level. There were 52 active 3k+ users in the past 30 days (and 3 of them are mods). There were 16 10k+ users (2 of them mods). So without a doubt, the community has way more potential capacity than we do, and even considering activity we are talking about 3v49, or 2v14, meaning a mod needs to be 18 or 7 times more active than your average user to cover the same amount of content." CreationDate="2014-04-11T07:30:38.057" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4546" PostId="2565" Score="0" Text="I'm not saying it isn't our responsibility to help out, and I certainly don't want to imply that you guys are on your own -- the key is finding a way to work together to make best use of our resources. Since we have 800 active users in the past 30 days who can comment, I don't think it's a huge burden to ask the community to leave a comment and wait a working day to flag if it isn't fixed. It may not be instant gratification, but it will help spread the burden, and the site won't blow up if a few bad answers are left up for 24 hours with a comment on them." CreationDate="2014-04-11T07:34:40.280" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4547" PostId="2565" Score="0" Text="@jmac that's really interesting. I am still investigating but one thing for sure is, unless there is a way to address the point you made, it invalidates my reasoning and respectively, dismisses my objection in this answer" CreationDate="2014-04-11T10:24:11.777" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4548" PostId="2565" Score="0" Text="@jmac I addressed your point (I think:). Would appreciate if you take a look, reasoning doesn't feel quite waterproof" CreationDate="2014-04-11T19:37:54.657" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4593" PostId="2565" Score="0" Text="related: [Are we using NAA and VLQ flags correctly?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2584/168) &quot;Look ma, it scales...&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-18T11:18:48.910" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4713" PostId="2565" Score="1" Text="@gnat, I have edited my post in response to your objection and the changes to the handling of NAA flags on the SE network. Hope this removes your objection!" CreationDate="2014-05-14T00:07:46.843" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4714" PostId="2565" Score="0" Text="@jmac thanks! per my reading, revised version addressed this concern" CreationDate="2014-05-14T05:15:29.520" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4554" PostId="2569" Score="1" Text="What wasn't clear is the problem to be solved. That's what is missing from speculative questions. Feel free to make some edits if you happen to see the problem and can make that more clear. I suspect the asker may be the person to do that in this case, but feel free to give it a shot." CreationDate="2014-04-14T00:28:28.563" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4555" PostId="2569" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. The question was &quot;Is there any evidence that management actively discuss and practise this technique?&quot; I think that's a clear question demanding a yes or no answer. While I think it was really not a serious question and that it probably deserved to be closed, I think the reason for closing was perhaps not 100% appropriate. If it were closed as &quot;not a useful question&quot;, that would have been appropriate." CreationDate="2014-04-14T00:34:19.793" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4556" PostId="2569" Score="0" Text="&quot;Is there any evidence&quot; kind questions are a slippery road. Since asker doesn't know, there's always a chance that there is an _overwhelming_ amount of evidence, so that question may have 20... 30... 50 nice authoritative [&quot;equally valid&quot;](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask) answers. As an answerer, my own experience with [gimme evidence](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1997/168) questions at Workplace was rather negative. Yeah I've got some of 'em repz, but it left a pretty bitter taste in my mouth, I tend to avoid answering these since" CreationDate="2014-04-14T05:43:06.897" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4562" PostId="2569" Score="0" Text="Looking at [this comment](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/22545/is-lowering-employees-self-esteem-a-practised-management-technique?noredirect=1#comment57744_22545), the question itself apparently doesn't seem to match the answers, geekrunner was looking for." CreationDate="2014-04-14T08:55:13.880" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="6418" PostId="2570" Score="1" Text="I updated the list with some recent changes. To be notified when issues are updated, please star this question." CreationDate="2014-08-24T20:36:06.127" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4560" PostId="2573" Score="0" Text="_&quot;Older questions... would be less appropriate now&quot;_ -- time for some [historical locks](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/historical-lock/info)?" CreationDate="2014-04-14T07:05:06.740" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4561" PostId="2573" Score="1" Text="@gnat, no need for historical locks. If you or anyone else in the community goes through and finds bad questions that are still open, go ahead and cast a close vote. If there is really something that we should keep around because it has historical significance, feel free to flag it as such, but chances are those posts would be few and far between I think" CreationDate="2014-04-14T07:06:06.497" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4563" PostId="2574" Score="1" Text="GREAT suggestion and should hopefully remedy a lot of situations. I was thinking it might be beneficial to also link to some of the better questions and answers within the site in order to give an example of how things should look. Explain what makes them high quality and such. I think linking to poor questions and answers would be great too but to put certain people on the spot like that would be bad, possibly just create examples in Meta of bad questions and answers with explanations as to why." CreationDate="2014-04-14T13:45:32.447" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4564" PostId="2574" Score="2" Text="I think we should limit each meta post to a question per topic, and mo more than 3-4 paragraphs. Less is more. Of course, all of them can be linked together with a master table of contents. *Putting them in as answers is problematic since they randomize themselves each pageview.*" CreationDate="2014-04-14T14:19:39.503" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4565" PostId="2574" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 have you seen this post at Prog meta? http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6483/why-was-my-question-closed-or-down-voted - in my experience it turned out quite convenient to communicate for askers and close voters" CreationDate="2014-04-14T14:39:11.300" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4567" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="And you thought that *other* people might be more worthy of being a TWP mod? Tsk... Tsk... ;)" CreationDate="2014-04-14T16:08:18.983" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4568" PostId="2574" Score="2" Text="@gnat thanks for that link.  That seems like a great way to organize the content, and hey, prior art to learn from. :-)" CreationDate="2014-04-14T16:16:29.780" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4569" PostId="2574" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio worth noting that there are somewhat similar attempts drafted at our meta, maybe we can build from these: [Why was my question edited/closed/downvoted?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1826/168) and ['On-Topic' and 'Off-Topic' sections of the help center](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2045/on-topic-and-off-topic-sections-of-the-help-center). Content wise these look pretty much there, but presentation feels somehow not quite convenient to me" CreationDate="2014-04-14T16:27:46.123" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4574" PostId="2574" Score="2" Text="@gnat, mind tossing together an answer on what works and what doesn't? The programmers post doesn't look much different from the ones you linked, but since you have experience using the programmers' version, sharing what works about it would help us out here. No sense in reinventing the wheel!" CreationDate="2014-04-15T00:13:20.690" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4575" PostId="2574" Score="0" Text="@jmac there you go - [an answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2576/168) you asked about" CreationDate="2014-04-15T11:44:31.420" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4572" PostId="2575" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the update.  Next time it happens, could you grab a screen shot from the inbox?  I'm specifically interested in knowing whether it's a new notification (updated timestamp) or a ghost from the past (old timestamp corresponding to the original notification).  I saw (somewhere) a bug report about ghosts of notifications past, so maybe this is related.  (Or not.  We'll see.)  Thanks for the help." CreationDate="2014-04-14T19:22:29.510" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4573" PostId="2575" Score="0" Text="I will do that." CreationDate="2014-04-14T19:32:40.120" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="4582" PostId="2576" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your response gnat! In the question, I suggested 3 different FAQ (one for askers explaining the off-topic reasons stated in the [help], one for askers who had their question close, and one for answerers). Can I take your suggestion to mean that each of these should be a single question, with an answer for each variation of why you'd direct someone there? Also, could you clarify the 'quick links' comment you made? Are you saying we should try to post bare meta URLs in the comments?" CreationDate="2014-04-17T03:49:56.863" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4583" PostId="2576" Score="0" Text="@jmac from what I learned, it feels like it would be more efficient to have a single FAQ &quot;umbrella&quot; question for askers, with each answer focusing on single off-topic/close reason. As for FAQ for answerers, I am not certain, as there is no similar success story at Programmers to learn from (generally, answering culture and guidance seems to be richer here, so maybe Programmers just can't make good example). I feel like it would better be in separate meta question, but I wouldn't bet on that" CreationDate="2014-04-17T03:54:26.353" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4584" PostId="2576" Score="0" Text="The 'off-topic' reasons in the [help/on-topic] don't really match the close reasons though (some do, some don't). So trying to play mix and match would be confusing which is why I think they should be separate. But I've got the drift of your suggestion, thanks!" CreationDate="2014-04-17T03:56:22.190" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4586" PostId="2576" Score="0" Text="@jmac that was an issue at Programmers too, until it was recently resolved by editing Help Center [per this discussion](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6604/updated-help-on-topic-page-in-help-center) to make a better match. Programmers, in turn, followed example of SO where edit like this was done earlier and seems to work well. I think it is worth considering for Workplace. Side note wrt FAQs for answers and questions, on a further thought I think keeping them separate would substantially benefit readers, as topics differ way too much" CreationDate="2014-04-17T09:24:15.853" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4577" PostId="2577" Score="1" Text="Since you are looking for specific attributes related to programming, rather than Workplace issues, perhaps you should ask in a programming community?" CreationDate="2014-04-15T22:38:06.347" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4579" PostId="2577" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere FWIW, question like this would likely be voted down and closed at Programmers.SE: http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6483/why-was-my-question-closed-or-down-voted/6488#6488" CreationDate="2014-04-16T09:20:35.390" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4578" PostId="2579" Score="0" Text="which browser/OS are you using? http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/56161/which-browsers-are-officially-supported-and-what-else-do-i-need" CreationDate="2014-04-16T09:06:43.187" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4585" PostId="2579" Score="1" Text="Well, I had a nice &quot;introduction to suggested edits&quot; meta post I wrote that I was all ready to hit post on when something told me to double check what you were looking at. Then it hit me you're referring to the size of the font, not the fact that it's subdued..." CreationDate="2014-04-17T05:09:28.503" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4580" PostId="2580" Score="0" Text="&quot;Read the question carefully. What, specifically, is the question asking for? Make sure your answer provides that – or a viable alternative...&quot; ([Answer])" CreationDate="2014-04-16T14:24:08.540" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4581" PostId="2580" Score="1" Text="I've wondered this myself. I like to look at this as answering the situation. Sometimes, actually the majority of the time, people do not know what they are actually asking and 42 can be as good of an answer for their question as an appropriate answer could be," CreationDate="2014-04-16T16:20:42.217" UserId="17083" />
  <row Id="4594" PostId="2581" Score="2" Text="+1 for &quot;If you have helpful information to add, my suggestion is to try and add it in as part of a larger answer to the question that's being asked&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-18T12:50:51.287" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="4589" PostId="2582" Score="1" Text="See the linked duplicate, but the short form is: you can't unlink an already-linked account, but you can create a new account with a different OpenID, and as long as you're careful not to let them mingle you'll be fine.  (E.g. don't use that new OpenID on any other SE site.)" CreationDate="2014-04-17T21:02:22.397" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4590" PostId="2582" Score="0" Text="see also: [Why separate Stack Exchange accounts?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/69422/why-separate-stack-exchange-accounts) at MSE" CreationDate="2014-04-18T10:54:08.043" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4605" PostId="2585" Score="0" Text="The community seems to favor software-related questions - even when very narrowly defined - and reject many others. Probably just the nature of the audience." CreationDate="2014-04-21T12:22:44.067" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4598" PostId="2586" Score="2" Text="'She', not 'he' ;)" CreationDate="2014-04-20T21:03:47.307" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="4603" PostId="2586" Score="0" Text="Sorry, did not look at your profile ;-)" CreationDate="2014-04-21T06:42:24.387" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="4602" PostId="2587" Score="0" Text="&quot;you can always edit again&quot; Thanks. Why did I not think of that ;-) ?" CreationDate="2014-04-21T06:41:38.933" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="4597" PostId="2588" Score="0" Text="So if it can potentially benefit many people also looking for work in the same career field (or, more specifically, similar jobs), but no-one else, it's okay (at least if none of the others close reasons apply)?" CreationDate="2014-04-20T20:01:03.473" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="4599" PostId="2588" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling - The key is just to ask if it's content that helps us further our mission to make the Internet a better place. If the content does that, then I don't see a problem. The general idea is simply to encourage people to word their questions in a way that *does* keep in mind that, as an asker, this is how you give back to the community. Many people mistakenly assume that if they're asking questions, they're not helping. But if they're asking *good* questions, then they're helping more than they realize. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-04-20T21:49:33.940" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4600" PostId="2588" Score="0" Text="While I don't argue that those questions might be useful in themselves, I guess I just think that if the site allows questions uniquely applicable to specific careers, that might make its scope a bit too broad and make experts less likely to want to stay here. [so] similarly allows questions for any programming language but, in this case, there isn't a specific tag or set of tags for generic workplace issues (to my knowledge), so you're likely to see a set of questions that largely isn't applicable to you (now or likely at any point in the future) when browsing for general workplace questions." CreationDate="2014-04-20T22:49:23.543" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="4601" PostId="2588" Score="0" Text="There's two groups I think of when answering these questions: The first group is the core community and what keeps the core community interested. The second group is much larger, by about a factor of 10, and that's visitors coming from search engines. For the latter group, most of their interest will likely derive from whatever problem our site is currently helping them solve." CreationDate="2014-04-20T23:39:05.327" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4607" PostId="2588" Score="1" Text="That we can answer them well should not be a criteria for deciding that a question is on topic." CreationDate="2014-04-21T13:48:30.057" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4604" PostId="2589" Score="2" Text="discussed in depth in [Encouraging people to explain downvotes](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/135/encouraging-people-to-explain-downvotes) and in multiple similar meta questions" CreationDate="2014-04-21T11:34:23.007" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4606" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="It wouldn't be unreasonable for downvotes to be accompanied by a &quot;reason&quot;, but that isn't the way the community works." CreationDate="2014-04-21T12:23:58.973" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4608" PostId="2589" Score="2" Text="@joeStrazzere - And it wouldnt work because I would keep getting flagged for my custom reason &quot;Because the OP is a moron and did not bother to actually read the question&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-21T14:00:08.877" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4609" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="@Chad - yes, I'm sure such comments would get flagged." CreationDate="2014-04-21T14:12:26.577" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13278" PostId="2589" Score="0" Text="related: [What to do with unexplained downvotes](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4640/168)" CreationDate="2017-08-10T22:05:00.093" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4615" PostId="2590" Score="4" Text="__Comments removed:__ let's keep comments focused on improving site content and not criticizing other users please." CreationDate="2014-04-22T17:38:39.280" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4614" PostId="2592" Score="0" Text="I agree its one thing to encourage a new user.  It is another to add comment to an answer simply because you want credit for up-voting.  Sometimes adding a +1 in front of a comment that suggests an improvement also tends to grease the wheels of change for the better." CreationDate="2014-04-22T14:38:19.887" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4621" PostId="2595" Score="1" Text="[This answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2426/325) is currently +8/-0; can it be mined for an answer here?" CreationDate="2014-04-22T18:12:55.057" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4622" PostId="2595" Score="1" Text="@Monica, sure can! You've just been nominated as a miner! Here is your hard hat. Safety first!" CreationDate="2014-04-22T20:17:34.313" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4619" PostId="2597" Score="1" Text="BTW, SE allows us three custom close reasons, so while we can separate things in the Help Center, some will need to be combined (or generalized) in the close reasons.  That might be how these ended up together (don't know, just guessing)." CreationDate="2014-04-22T18:08:53.480" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4620" PostId="2597" Score="0" Text="It'd be great to have a link for a good example here (like in some of the other answers).  Anybody got one to drop into the last paragraph before the &quot;sample questions&quot; list?" CreationDate="2014-04-22T18:10:23.523" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4623" PostId="2599" Score="3" Text="That would be really useful from time to time. If I remember correctly there's only a certain threshold on the amount of spam flags one may get before a user is blocked." CreationDate="2014-04-23T11:48:50.860" UserId="10912" />
  <row Id="4624" PostId="2602" Score="2" Text="Thanks for weighing in. Just to clarify where you're perspective is coming from and qualify it, you've been a moderator longer than I have, since September 2010. You started as a pro-temp mod, won an election in 2012, and now have almost two years under your belt on a graduated Stack Exchange site. Impressive. We should make it a point to go through some of your site's meta posts to gain more perspective." CreationDate="2014-04-24T02:41:40.503" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4625" PostId="2602" Score="2" Text="Feel free; we've been through many of the same questions already (I see the &quot;why can't downvotes be always commented on&quot; question etc. that we and I'm sure every other starter site has waded through...). Congrats on getting the site up and running, I know it's hard work!" CreationDate="2014-04-24T03:13:00.870" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="4626" PostId="2602" Score="0" Text="Almost... But not quite. Please see my remarks here, and thank you for your contribution and welcome to TWP: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1627/we-need-to-downvote-answers-more-even-mediocre-ones/1894#1894" CreationDate="2014-04-24T04:11:17.650" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4627" PostId="2604" Score="0" Text="that makes sense to me. As opposed to [other close voters](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/23155/jobs-that-suit-disabled-workers &quot;see, my name isn't listed under 'specific reason' there&quot;), my vote was for [too broad](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask) &quot;Your questions should be reasonably scoped. If you can imagine an entire book that answers your question, you’re asking too much.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-24T21:07:20.947" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4628" PostId="2604" Score="0" Text="I hadn't even thought about it from that angle." CreationDate="2014-04-24T23:01:09.370" UserId="17512" />
  <row Id="4629" PostId="2605" Score="0" Text="It's fine. It would be better to be able to flag the user as a &quot;Spammer&quot;, IMHO. But no worries." CreationDate="2014-04-25T11:07:00.673" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4633" PostId="2605" Score="1" Text="You can flag the user with a custom flag but it won't come through as a high-priority flag (like spam does).  OTOH, as jmort said, if we get spam flags on a post we don't *just* delete that post; we also take a look at the user.  So either way the message gets to us." CreationDate="2014-04-25T17:54:16.310" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4630" PostId="2606" Score="0" Text="I'm down with any close reason that is shorthand for &quot;This question is best answered by reviewing your organization's policies and procedures, and/or talking directly with your manager or HR.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-04-25T16:07:13.710" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="4631" PostId="2606" Score="1" Text="for the reference, we have one free slot in site-specific off-topic reasons - I just checked that" CreationDate="2014-04-25T17:25:52.473" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4718" PostId="2606" Score="0" Text="I was on vacation and apparently missed this entirely. Following [my recent post requesting another reason to be added](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2644/) we'd have one too many, so I will make a thread devoted to which reasons we want soon™" CreationDate="2014-05-15T05:17:50.887" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4634" PostId="2607" Score="1" Text="I edit the country into the post body when I see stuff like this. Tags are really for categorization, for searching and for SEO, and they don't really work out too well as a substitute for content in the post body.  I suspect many people look at the content, not the tags. I know that's confused me a few times..." CreationDate="2014-04-25T18:41:06.910" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4635" PostId="2607" Score="6" Text="Stack Exchange has the ability to add images to tags, at least on Stack Overflow... just a thought, but maybe the &quot;sponsored tags&quot; feature could be used to let us put country flags on those tags..." CreationDate="2014-04-25T18:42:38.687" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4632" PostId="2608" Score="4" Text="I like this.  So long as we have a slot available anyway, I'd like to add it.  (We can have up to three custom off-topic reasons.)" CreationDate="2014-04-25T17:49:31.250" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4636" PostId="2609" Score="5" Text="Those with close vote privileges do have an &quot;other&quot; option where they can enter a custom reason for voting to close, but it is true that those *flagging* to close only see the canned custom close reasons. This may definitely be worth consideration." CreationDate="2014-04-26T17:51:57.730" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4637" PostId="2610" Score="3" Text="It's debatable whether or not country tags are meta tags. As a matter of fact, [we debated it early on](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/25/should-we-have-country-specific-tags). The final decision was to have country tags, and [despite being one of the dissenters early on](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/65/98), I can now see where they have value. So long as we continue to do as you suggest and put that content in the body, having the tags could be helpful to people who want to try to filter by country," CreationDate="2014-04-27T03:01:04.893" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4638" PostId="2610" Score="0" Text="[cont'd] while making them more visible may prevent them from being overlooked if someone forgets to put the info in the body." CreationDate="2014-04-27T03:05:06.003" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4639" PostId="2612" Score="0" Text="FWIW as of now there are 4 reopen votes on this question" CreationDate="2014-04-28T14:47:07.867" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4640" PostId="2612" Score="0" Text="speaking of duplicates, have you seen this question at Programmers: [How do I get people to stop bikeshedding?](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/219069/how-do-i-get-people-to-stop-bikeshedding) - or its recently advertized copy at Ars Technika: [How can I get colleagues to stop bickering about trivialities?](http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/how-can-i-get-colleagues-to-stop-bickering-about-trivialities/)" CreationDate="2014-04-28T15:31:31.403" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4641" PostId="2612" Score="0" Text="Yes that was already linked to in a comment on the main question and I already replied. It's interesting, and there's some overlap, but the answers and comments rely on one of three differences (the asker was the project lead, the problem can be avoided by changing the task, plus programming-specific details like the presence of flaws in the language in question)" CreationDate="2014-04-28T15:39:31.653" UserId="4559" />
  <row Id="4644" PostId="2612" Score="2" Text="FWIW: I didn't vote to close as duplicate." CreationDate="2014-04-29T16:49:32.640" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4642" PostId="2613" Score="3" Text="Thanks for the thoughtful reply. My main hope now is that it gets an answer that is worth the 8 revisions (!), numerous comments, and hours of feeling like a performing seal being made to jump through hoops it took to get to this point. It's frustrating that none of the 8 edits involved any real change to the *content* of the question, just cosmetic re-arranging to satisfy people who were seemingly never interested in the topic anyway (certainly not enough to read the question properly)." CreationDate="2014-04-28T18:58:35.743" UserId="4559" />
  <row Id="4643" PostId="2613" Score="3" Text="Hi @user568458, one of the things I encourage reopen voters to do is look at what might be confusing the close voters and then use their insight to make cosmetic edits that fix those perceived problems. As a post author, sometimes it's not always clear what's confusing, since a post author is more intimately familiar with the subject matter because he/she wrote it. While it may seem silly, many of these close/edit/reopen cycles result in some of the best, most polished content on our site. Many of these Q&amp;A threads still attract future visitors with the same problem.  Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2014-04-29T01:22:53.173" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4673" PostId="2613" Score="0" Text="@user568458: `It's frustrating that none of the 8 edits involved any real change to the content of the question, just cosmetic re-arranging to satisfy people who were seemingly never interested in the topic anyway (certainly not enough to read the question properly).` You're 100% correct." CreationDate="2014-05-03T04:34:56.263" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4654" PostId="2618" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/54718/how-should-i-handle-questions-which-are-answered-in-the-comments" CreationDate="2014-05-01T05:59:44.867" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4656" PostId="2618" Score="2" Text="Vietnhi already got several requests in comments ;-) to move his comments into an answer and he is doing so. Still a good question though." CreationDate="2014-05-01T11:32:46.257" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="4677" PostId="2620" Score="0" Text="I'm out in front of you. Before you assembled this list. I had already downvoted and voted to close two of them." CreationDate="2014-05-03T18:11:47.930" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4680" PostId="2620" Score="8" Text="@JimG. - maybe you can explain your reasoning as to why you voted to close two of them, but not the other three? That way blankip can learn at least one voter's thinking as to what is truly &quot;opinion-based&quot;." CreationDate="2014-05-03T19:47:07.673" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4681" PostId="2620" Score="2" Text="I don't understand why the conversation-in-the-bathroom question is closed (as I noted there).  I wish it had more reopen votes." CreationDate="2014-05-04T03:46:33.050" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4701" PostId="2620" Score="2" Text="I'd say this reason was definitely abused here. I'm a regular reader, not participator, but unless I am missing something fundamental: literally every single answer you can give is opinionated and usually stems from your own experience. There are no strict rules about office behaviour so there are very little questions where closing it for this reason would be appropriate." CreationDate="2014-05-10T02:07:49.773" UserId="13780" />
  <row Id="10213" PostId="2620" Score="1" Text="Can someone identify a few questions on here that are NOT opinion-based? Almost every question calls for subjective answers." CreationDate="2016-10-20T17:19:11.813" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="4657" PostId="2621" Score="1" Text="My situation is a very common workplace thing that people have had to deal with for years.  There are many many less common &quot;issues&quot; asked here that inherently are opinion based yet they are still open.  Would listing them help?" CreationDate="2014-05-01T13:49:42.630" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="4658" PostId="2621" Score="0" Text="@blankip - I understand. I doubt if listing them would help, but I guess you could try. This sort of thing happens..." CreationDate="2014-05-01T14:55:37.600" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4659" PostId="2621" Score="0" Text="Joe - no offense but your answer sounds like an HR statement meant to drive everyone nuts!" CreationDate="2014-05-01T16:51:24.790" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="4660" PostId="2621" Score="2" Text="@blankip - I was trying to be nice. No offense, but I'm trying to tell you that you can ask &quot;Why was my question closed?&quot; and &quot;Why can't The Workplace have different rules?&quot; as much as you like. Based on the way it has worked so far, I doubt you will end up getting what you are looking for. (I don't make the rules here, it's not my site, your mileage may vary)" CreationDate="2014-05-01T18:27:42.607" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4676" PostId="2621" Score="0" Text="So what is your answer?  Where is my question on the scaled of relevance for this site?  I added examples of other opinion based questions.  Is mine more opinion based than them?" CreationDate="2014-05-03T17:07:31.570" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="4678" PostId="2621" Score="1" Text="@blankip - I don't know. The voters decide, not me. I don't think you'll get your black and white rules - it will always be subjective and not necessarily consistent." CreationDate="2014-05-03T19:35:45.050" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4694" PostId="2621" Score="3" Text="Joe - Seems to me that @blankip is asking &quot;Can somebody please define what the rules are?&quot; rather than &quot;Why can't The Workplace have different rules?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-05-08T13:52:17.187" UserId="13605" />
  <row Id="4695" PostId="2621" Score="1" Text="@starsplusplus - perhaps. I'm hearing more of &quot;Why can't the Workplace have clear, black-and-white rules?&quot; I've been trying to express that I simply don't see that happening here." CreationDate="2014-05-08T15:59:38.820" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4696" PostId="2621" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Yes, clear rules on what is on-topic and off-topic. How are you reading that?" CreationDate="2014-05-08T16:01:43.893" UserId="13605" />
  <row Id="4699" PostId="2621" Score="0" Text="@starsplusplus - I have resigned myself to living with less-than-clear rules. I think the nature of The Workplace, and the kinds of questions being asked, means that there isn't a great way to definitively determine on-topic versus off-topic in many cases. There will always be several questions that appear very similar and some will be voted off-topic, while others won't. So it goes..." CreationDate="2014-05-09T11:29:24.370" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10212" PostId="2621" Score="0" Text="@starsplusplus The rules are very clear: A question is &quot;opinion based&quot; and thus out of bounds if, in the totally subjective opinion of the moderators, its MORE opinion-based than other questions. You are not allowed to ask an opinon-based question, and what is opinion-based is a matter of opinion. :-)" CreationDate="2016-10-20T17:15:15.013" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="4661" PostId="2622" Score="1" Text="related: [When there are many answers already, help me check that mine won't repeat others](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2562/when-there-are-many-answers-already-help-me-check-that-mine-wont-repeat-others) and  [voting pattern that doesn't have politically correct name yet](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/conversation/voting-pattern-that-doesnt-have-politically-correct-name-yet &quot;'Cases where the insiders' votes would've brought a post's score &lt; 0, but outsider votes were present in sufficient quantity to make the post's score positive: 147'&quot;)" CreationDate="2014-05-01T21:57:30.103" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4674" PostId="2622" Score="0" Text="I understand your concern, but I don't think it's an anomaly at all - at least not here at The Workplace. Since I've been here, I've seen thoughtful answers downvoted all the time. It happens." CreationDate="2014-05-03T15:54:54.990" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4666" PostId="2624" Score="1" Text="Thanks Feral.  (Now that you mention it, I remember seeing you elsewhere on the network a while back too.)  The Workplace is having some growing pains and we're trying to collectively figure some things out.  I have we can all do so with courtesy, patience, and goodwill, even though different people have different standards." CreationDate="2014-05-02T01:49:21.607" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4671" PostId="2625" Score="2" Text="Or rather than listing them here, just flag each of them for attention." CreationDate="2014-05-02T12:41:45.587" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4675" PostId="2625" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere - well that allows for no discussion.  My question was posed to get an answer, not a run around.   Flagging the questions holds the moderators and people closing the questions with no accountability.  I am going to add a list right now." CreationDate="2014-05-03T16:59:03.467" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="4679" PostId="2625" Score="1" Text="@blankip - great. Maybe others will comment, and you'll gain some understanding, if not the &quot;accountability&quot; you are asking for." CreationDate="2014-05-03T19:37:19.897" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4692" PostId="2625" Score="3" Text="I don't see a clear reason why to close any of these or the question _in question_. As this SE site is called _Workplace_ and not _mathematics_ (or _which candidate should I vote in next North Korea's elections?_), there are going to be really many opinion-based questions and it would be shame just to automatically close each and every one of them without giving a second or two to asses their prospective merit." CreationDate="2014-05-08T13:06:31.000" UserId="18685" />
  <row Id="4693" PostId="2625" Score="0" Text="@PavelPetrman: That's a fair point. Early in TWP's Beta phase, questions were closed for very arbitrary reasons. We can and should continue to debate about what's on and off topic, but at least we're much more consistent about what we close now, relative to the beginnning of the Beta phase." CreationDate="2014-05-08T13:24:46.253" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6740" PostId="2625" Score="0" Text="Wish granted http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2993/what-are-opinion-based-questions" CreationDate="2014-12-03T20:06:06.993" UserId="8769" />
  <row Id="4667" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="When you say &quot;other sites&quot;, you mean other SE sites behave differently in this regard?  Or do you mean other sites on the Internet?" CreationDate="2014-05-02T01:50:21.720" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4668" PostId="2626" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Other SE sites." CreationDate="2014-05-02T02:15:27.433" UserId="17541" />
  <row Id="4670" PostId="2627" Score="1" Text="http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/5377/requiring-registration-to-ask-questions-did-it-made-a-difference" CreationDate="2014-05-02T05:50:11.387" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4672" PostId="2627" Score="1" Text="Thanks @gnat. I was thinking about that post while writing this up." CreationDate="2014-05-03T03:59:13.720" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4683" PostId="2628" Score="1" Text="refer to [this guidance](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1697/168) in comments, add a mod notice &quot;insufficient explanation&quot;. Wait for a week, return to answers and delete those that didn't address the notice (I can even flag these for you:)" CreationDate="2014-05-06T04:02:24.350" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4684" PostId="2628" Score="0" Text="On which specific answers?  I'm asking for a review of one question rather than a broader policy; we already understand the latter but implementation here is unclear.  Thanks." CreationDate="2014-05-06T14:29:12.030" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="4685" PostId="2628" Score="0" Text="I see. Question appears a tricky matter indeed. I read and re-read it and can't make my mind yet about &quot;this collection of posts&quot;" CreationDate="2014-05-06T14:34:05.580" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4688" PostId="2634" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [Why so many +1 comments?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1972/why-so-many-1-comments)" CreationDate="2014-05-07T23:47:43.030" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4690" PostId="2634" Score="2" Text="^Now _that's_ a superflous comment, that doesn't add anything the triangle wouldn't have." CreationDate="2014-05-08T01:17:58.340" UserId="17187" />
  <row Id="4697" PostId="2634" Score="0" Text="I use the follow-up comments directed at me as a guide to improve the quality of my answer. A +1 attracts my attention but I read all comments anyway, as I think I am supposed to :) On the other hand, I reserve the option to disregard a comment that I think is off-base, even if it has say a +10 rating. Having said that, I am much more likely to get a -10 than a +10 :)" CreationDate="2014-05-08T16:23:25.513" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="4710" PostId="2637" Score="0" Text="And red staples in the red stapler!  That's beyond cool." CreationDate="2014-05-13T22:25:18.770" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="4715" PostId="2637" Score="0" Text="seriously? (checks) That is beyond cool! Will save them for special stapling opportunities." CreationDate="2014-05-14T21:05:10.153" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="4702" PostId="2638" Score="0" Text="BTW: those two &quot;outsiders override insiders&quot; posts in the 1K+ club? [1](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2658/what-kind-of-business-fields-are-available-to-a-programmer-who-no-longer-wants-t) and [2](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/18712/why-are-html-resumes-not-accepted). Probably important to remember that, at one point, *everyone* here was an outsider..." CreationDate="2014-05-11T23:25:05.577" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4703" PostId="2638" Score="0" Text="Things that popped out (not making judgment calls, just saying what I noticed): outsiders voted on 87% of 1k+ view posts, and only 55% of posts overall. Outsiders were 27% of votes on all posts, but 36% of votes on 1k+ view posts. Of course, they agreed with the community most of the time in both cases, but there certainly is more outsider participation on the higher-view posts." CreationDate="2014-05-12T08:33:12.700" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4705" PostId="2638" Score="0" Text="@jmac per my reading, this data suggests that in hot questions, outsider voting rather closely follows one from insiders. Meaning, whatever problems we experience with these ([1](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/224750/165773 &quot;promoting questions in a way more suitable for larger scale sites&quot;), [2](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2562/168 &quot;difficulties handling questions with multiple answers&quot;)), &quot;outsider disagreement&quot; is probably not one of them (it seems to be more an issue in regular questions - `685-15=670` cases, but we as community would better be able to handle that ourselves)" CreationDate="2014-05-12T18:10:13.417" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4706" PostId="2638" Score="0" Text="Probably also worth noting that 1207 of the 3530 questions asked by new users here have been asked by folks with an association bonus - therefore, that's 1207 &quot;outsiders&quot; able and motivated to vote. On other sites, we tend to see a lot of the &quot;disagreement&quot; arising from questions that no one really cares about except for one or two insiders and the asker." CreationDate="2014-05-12T18:21:27.673" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="4707" PostId="2638" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 one can argue that &quot;able and motivated&quot; doesn't necessarily mean &quot;qualified&quot;. Unfortunately, problems involving association bonus are barely noticeable at Stack Overflow, which likely explains why [related feature request](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/183109/165773 &quot;The association bonus should not enable users to vote on every site&quot;) is `status-ignored`" CreationDate="2014-05-12T18:56:47.743" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4704" PostId="2639" Score="2" Text="&quot;When you do a downvote, it is customary to use comments to explain why&quot; Customary where? Not at The Workplace." CreationDate="2014-05-12T17:54:07.120" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="4708" PostId="2639" Score="1" Text="If you comment with a downvote, the comment should clearly indicate what the user can do to improve the post. Saying, *&quot;Hey Philipp, your answer may be better received if you explained point A a bit more, especially if you can add a citation&quot;* is great. Saying, *&quot;-1 because that's just like, your opinion, man&quot;* is not great and will likely be removed. The goal of comments is not public shaming of poor behavior, but rather to improve the content of the posts so that they don't get downvotes." CreationDate="2014-05-13T06:17:41.630" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4709" PostId="2641" Score="2" Text="I agree.  The guy knows the downsides of switching and potential benefits of it.  There is little that this site can offer him in terms of a fact based good subjective complete answer.  Even if it wasn't off topic it should be closed for opinion based." CreationDate="2014-05-13T14:09:51.863" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4711" PostId="2642" Score="1" Text="This would be much easier to understand with some screenshots of which parts you mean, and preferably some CSS hacks to show us how you would prefer it to look (it will be helpful both for us who read your post, and for the SE design team who would implement any feature-request). Thanks in advance!" CreationDate="2014-05-13T23:52:58.440" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4712" PostId="2642" Score="1" Text="I think my firewall keeps me from uploading.  I will do so from home tonight." CreationDate="2014-05-13T23:59:24.887" UserId="9829" />
  <row Id="4716" PostId="2644" Score="2" Text="I really like the idea of this new close reason. It helps clarify further what bad subjective is and is a bit more tailor-fit to Workplace SE than primarily opinion based." CreationDate="2014-05-15T03:04:03.250" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4717" PostId="2644" Score="2" Text="along with another recently proposed reason ([company-specific](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2606/can-we-have-a-specific-to-one-company-close-reason)) and reasons that are there already (legal and job/skill advice), this makes one too much reason than system allows us. One should be dismissed. I tend to think the reason proposed here would better be added even at the expense of company-specific not getting in" CreationDate="2014-05-15T04:28:09.563" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4719" PostId="2644" Score="1" Text="@gnat - I've been spending a lot of time in flags when I'm on the site lately, so I don't see all the questions. Do you see an inordinate amount of company-specific questions? I feel like my Aunt Agony comes around a lot more in comparison to company specific questions, but I may just be missing them." CreationDate="2014-05-15T05:28:13.247" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="4720" PostId="2644" Score="1" Text="We can create a list of custom close reasons we want and see what the community thinks the most useful to have would be (and which to leave custom reasons for). Having too many well-defined close reasons is definitely a good problem to have as it means we have a good grasp of our scope!" CreationDate="2014-05-15T05:55:48.880" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="4721" PostId="2644" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 you're maybe right, my observations seem to match yours. Agony aunt feels more frequent... and harder to moderate (company-specific questions seems to be less attractive for troublesome just-quit &quot;answers&quot;)" CreationDate="2014-05-15T07:26:29.780" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="4723" PostId="2644" Score="0" Text="Suffice it to say, I'm VERY happy with TWP moderation right now, because each moderator sees the larger picture and thinks deeply about relevant issues. This post is just the latest example of this." CreationDate="2014-05-15T16:27:35.737" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="4724" PostId="2644" Score="0" Text="Your three example questions are actually very objectively answerable questions. I don't know if there is public data sets that could be mined, but they're conceptually very objective questions." CreationDate="2014-05-15T17:09:41.400" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="4726" PostId="2644" Score="1" Text="@corsiKa, they are answerable, but the answer won't help anyone. Ever gone to your boss and said, *&quot;Well, golly gee, this isn't normal in the industry so I shouldn't be blamed for doing it the normal way&quot;* or contacting a hiring manager after a rejection and saying, *&quot;I don't care if you said to use a fixed-width font, the best font is clearly Helvetica, review my application&quot;*? It doesn't work. Because normal doesn't matter, and questions asking about normal won't solve a problem. That's the goal of questions here. The questions should be practical -- 'normal' in a vacuum is not practical." CreationDate="2014-05-16T02:52:41.943" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5731" PostId="2644" Score="0" Text="That's a straw-man argument. You make it sound like every decision that could possibly be made is out of your hands. I see it more *&quot;My boss is giving us X per diem for overseas trips. At my last job, for roughly the same location, we were given Y. Are there any industry standards or accepted formulas that he might not be aware of? Or is it more adhoc?&quot;* or *&quot;I'm looking to get as many advantages on my resume as I can. Is there any research I can review regarding font elements that might give me an edge over the other candidates?* The answers would be very helpful to OP and future visitors." CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:37:55.173" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="5732" PostId="2644" Score="1" Text="@corsiKa The latter question is good as it is asking *why* and *how* to pick a font rather than getting a recommendation for a single font. The former question is still pointless -- it doesn't matter **why** your boss doesn't give you a similar per diem to your last job, or what the industry standard is (and whether or not we think he's aware of it or not). What matters is why your boss picked that per diem, and whether it can be negotiated (hint: you won't find the answer to that here). We want to solve problems, not answer polls, or give comfort to the unfortunate." CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:53:03.680" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5733" PostId="2644" Score="1" Text="(so for the former question, *&quot;I was hired for a job where I didn't expect to have trips, and didn't pay attention to the per diem. If I have already signed an employment contract with an excessively low per diem, what are my options?&quot;* would potentially be a decent question depending on how it was scoped)" CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:55:19.663" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5812" PostId="2644" Score="0" Text="*that can't be solved or applied to other situations in other workplaces* Here is the thing many of these can be solved or applied to other places but the suggested close reason would catch them anyway." CreationDate="2014-05-28T17:19:29.553" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="4725" PostId="2645" Score="6" Text="I agree - simply changing apostrophe styles is a waste. Far too minor." CreationDate="2014-05-15T19:15:52.550" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="5735" PostId="2646" Score="0" Text="“…but changing spacing or characters for the sake of…reputation? Bumping the question up? Something else? Too minor, IMHO.” If the accusation is anyone doing this is purely doing it to score points or gain the system, that is pretty much assuming bad faith which is a bad way to approach any coding or collaborative work." CreationDate="2014-05-17T16:33:28.853" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="4727" PostId="2647" Score="0" Text="I think you may have looked at the wrong revision or are confusing the pre-edit with post-edit. In revision 2, Jake changed &quot;Help&quot; to &quot;Advice on&quot; in the title (which is an improvement, sure, but, as you mentioned, still isn't ideal), added a `/` to the title (presumably a mistyped `?`), and changed the usual straight-down `'` to the backwards-facing `’`." CreationDate="2014-05-16T04:15:12.767" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="4728" PostId="2647" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling - You are quite correct. For some reason, my brain saw those as improvements. I guess I can't see why anyone would have made such edits.  I'll update this to reflect that." CreationDate="2014-05-16T04:33:44.237" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5734" PostId="2647" Score="0" Text="Person in question here. I believe the over concern about UTF8 characters is excessive. You say this, “As such, it's possible they may not render correctly on some platforms.” Nonsense. It is 2014 and pretty much all of the web is either UTF8 clean or moving towards being UTF8 clean so I believe the concerns you are raising here—and in that thread—are simply a bit pedantic. Your username is “jmort253♦” so isn’t that `♦` problematic? If the concern is the edit is too minor just reject it. If I edit something in a larger scope, smart-quotes &amp; UTF8 is my style &amp; I will stick to it." CreationDate="2014-05-17T16:27:42.043" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="5739" PostId="2647" Score="7" Text="@JakeGould - Well, I'm always willing to learn more and grow, so your reaction is a bit uncalled for. Your edit on *this particular example in this question* is invalid because all you did was change punctuation to match *your style*, which needlessly bumps posts, and that's not what suggested edits are for. As to the actual *use of unicode*, I suspect you're right, as I see unicode used in other posts without issues, but just don't change punctuation just for the sake of changing it as that's really the larger issue here. Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2014-05-17T16:48:14.503" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5740" PostId="2647" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. But the calls against UTF8 remind me of e-mails I would get from tenured neck beards in 2007 or so complaining that sites I managed were “unusable” since they had graphic elements &amp; used CSS.  Sorry, but there are regressive elements to the discussion here." CreationDate="2014-05-17T16:53:56.017" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="5741" PostId="2647" Score="1" Text="@JakeGould - Yeh, I get that. I've been on the receiving end of similar discussions and those are indeed no fun. Thanks again for all your edits to help keep the site clean!" CreationDate="2014-05-17T16:56:53.797" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5745" PostId="2647" Score="4" Text="@JakeGould actually that unicode diamond is *not* part of jmort253's username, it's an extra symbol added by the system to indicate that he is a moderator. His username is a nice clean ASCII &quot;jmort253&quot;." CreationDate="2014-05-19T07:09:29.683" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="4729" PostId="2648" Score="0" Text="wrong way! &quot;leave a clear edit summary&quot; should be #1 - above all, it will help an editor better figure what's the purpose of the changes they make (other than that, great guidance, potentially FAQ material:)" CreationDate="2014-05-16T06:38:20.627" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5729" PostId="2648" Score="1" Text="@gnat, feel free to reverse the order -- I'm all good with that sort of cosmetic edit... (oh, wait!)" CreationDate="2014-05-16T13:17:15.253" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5730" PostId="2648" Score="0" Text="well I gave it a bit more thought during [recent downtime](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/231736/what-caused-the-16-5-2014-downtime) and now, your original order looks worth keeping as is :)" CreationDate="2014-05-16T14:20:00.577" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5743" PostId="2649" Score="2" Text="Hey MJ, thanks for the response. We definitely want to help new users acclimate, and I am a **huge** fan of [productive edits](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2153/) when community members see a good question. To clarify though, no matter how much the community *can* do, the ultimate responsibility for reading the rules lies with the asker who is requesting our time. The close reason as I put it is not only for the asker (who would realize that is off-topic if they read our [about] page or [help]), but also to educate other members who read the question. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2014-05-18T23:26:49.297" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5744" PostId="2649" Score="1" Text="(I understand a lot of people may be new to the working environment, and not know some of the basics that I take for granted due to my experience. We should try to educate them, but that education should not come at the expense of the content quality on our site. If you can think of good ways to communicate this information, be it through guidance faqs on meta with good resources, or otherwise, I would love you to share those thoughts with us -- I just want to make sure that the close reason makes clear why the question is problematic rather than imply that the problem is specificity)" CreationDate="2014-05-18T23:31:05.480" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5746" PostId="2650" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/252526/839601" CreationDate="2014-05-19T16:27:44.287" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5791" PostId="2650" Score="0" Text="Comments that are quazi answers are not appropriate.  I flag them as such.  Right or wrong but especially when they are wrong." CreationDate="2014-05-27T16:39:33.387" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5749" PostId="2655" Score="3" Text="merging legal advice into &quot;what to do&quot; looks like a smart move, would be interesting to see how this reason would go" CreationDate="2014-05-20T10:22:40.760" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5750" PostId="2655" Score="1" Text="Seems reasonable to me." CreationDate="2014-05-20T11:23:15.917" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="5751" PostId="2655" Score="1" Text="Sounds reasonable to me too. Thanks jmac." CreationDate="2014-05-20T11:42:08.190" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="5752" PostId="2655" Score="0" Text="Seems reasonable to me, except that I think the wording of the third is a little broad.  I'd like to see phrasing which distinguished between &quot;How should I handle this situation?&quot; questions and &quot;What job should I take?&quot; questions - both are generally &quot;what to do&quot;, but the first seems to me to be much more likely to be on-topic." CreationDate="2014-05-20T18:18:31.680" UserId="2341" />
  <row Id="5753" PostId="2655" Score="4" Text="Thanks for all your work on this, both the research and the wrangling of all the other discussions into a concrete proposal." CreationDate="2014-05-20T19:47:50.793" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5754" PostId="2655" Score="1" Text="@Bobson, could you elaborate on that a bit, and perhaps add an answer with an alternative wording please? (draft is fine, someone else can always improve it). My main issue is with questions that don't ask *how* to solve a problem, but just ask *what* they should do. Hence the emphasis on *&quot;What should I do?&quot;* To me it doesn't matter if it's asking what job to take, or how to handle a work situation, if it isn't asking for an explanation, it probably isn't a good fit here. We are not an advice column, we aim to give people information to solve their own problems. Hope that helps!" CreationDate="2014-05-21T03:55:59.553" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5801" PostId="2655" Score="2" Text="@jmac thanks for the edit about the one disputed reason.  Obviously there is some disagreement here and we need to find out what the community as a whole wants." CreationDate="2014-05-28T16:26:20.927" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5747" PostId="2656" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the explanation, I didn't notice the comment until you pointed it out. I don't agree with the vote either because I know that this is not only anecdotal but widespread at least in Germany. However, it's not my question to begin with, so I'll hope the OP changes it." CreationDate="2014-05-20T07:10:44.243" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="5748" PostId="2656" Score="2" Text="Didn't realize you weren't the asker @nvoigt! Woops! Even if it is widespread, understanding *why* would only be the first step, the ideal question would ask *how* to find part-time positions, or *how* to negotiate a full-time position as a part-time one. As explained in [Good Subjective, Bad Subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/), *Great subjective questions inspire answers that explain “why” and “how”*" CreationDate="2014-05-20T07:19:45.687" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5824" PostId="2656" Score="0" Text="How to find part time positions would be either too broad or off topic as well.  I think this questions would work better asking if it is true and if so why?  But for it to really work here it would need some back up that it is difficult other than it seems that way to me.  Something like a blog post or article with the claim would make it a much better question." CreationDate="2014-05-30T15:44:49.573" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5827" PostId="2656" Score="0" Text="@jmac Wouldn't simply asking why someone might be reluctant to hire part-time developers (or employees, in general, I assume) be on-topic (seems like a rather minor variation on the original)? (There would presumably be objective pro's and cons that could be listed) Possibly not exactly what the asker wants, but the closest on topic question seems better than an off topic one." CreationDate="2014-05-31T00:12:44.010" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="5757" PostId="2659" Score="2" Text="These questions are being closed, but mostly as 'primarily opinion-based'. What questions do you think this will allow to be closed that should be left open, and what alternative (if any) would you suggest?" CreationDate="2014-05-21T14:17:28.527" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5758" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="I can not think of a way that would not cast a net that is too broad.  Questions asking how I can change my approach should be on topic.  Questions how I get someone else to change should be off topic." CreationDate="2014-05-21T14:32:49.547" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5759" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="Okay Chad. We'll see what the community thinks, and decide how to proceed. Even if we do end up tossing it in, it can always be changed if abused, and watched closely. I think the concept (having people ask about problems with solutions, rather than problems with people) is something we sorely need to be clear about, but I definitely don't want people abusing it to close good questions." CreationDate="2014-05-21T23:02:29.953" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5760" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="For reference, [this](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/24381/) is the type of question I'm talking about. Right now I would close as 'unclear what you're asking' (because it is), but even if the language was cleaned up the eventual question would be, *&quot;How do I get my boss to treat me better?&quot;* which is definitely not something we can really answer." CreationDate="2014-05-21T23:42:22.110" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5762" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="@jmac Or it could be cleaned up to ask how can I adjust my actions to meet my bosses expectations?  That would be on topic and constructive." CreationDate="2014-05-22T13:18:20.700" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5763" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="I don't think we can solve how to meet your bosses' expectations. Many times expectations are not met is because of a lack of communication, and unless we clearly know what the bosses' expectations are (and if the asker knew, what is the question really about? They would know what they have to do), we can't very well answer. It is a people problem, and while business is people, we cannot solve a communication issue through this medium. 99 times out of 100, the answer is, *&quot;Talk to your boss&quot;*, it's just easier to ask here instead." CreationDate="2014-05-22T14:21:16.647" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5764" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="Here is [yet another example](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/24396/7945). How can we really answer this? These sorts of questions are problematic because they are conflicts with people -- not practical problems we can solve." CreationDate="2014-05-22T14:23:58.480" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5765" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="I am not saying that the questions are good many of them are not.  I think your first example could be fixed if someone was willing to expend the energy to fix a rant that the OP will probably never care return too(That person is not me).  The second one should be shoved right back to SO.  Maybe through a couple of our bad programming questions back with it.  But this close reason would be an excuse to close many good answerable questions that are not easy.  We have enough of that already with out giving another excuse" CreationDate="2014-05-22T14:26:55.673" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5767" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="I completely agree with the impetus to create a close reason like this one, but I lean toward agreeing with Chad that the wording might be too broad.  Right this second I can't think of anything better, though. :(  I wonder if at the core of all the really bad questions we'd want to use this close reason on there isn't another reason we should use, e.g. &quot;what do I do&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-05-22T14:37:23.913" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="5768" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="&quot;Questions that ask How to act, or what to do with out a specific stated goal are not practical answerable questions.  Questions like these must state a specific goal in order to be considered on topic at The Workplace.&quot; - I think that close reason would work for both of the reasons." CreationDate="2014-05-22T14:41:45.943" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5769" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="Here is [another example](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/24419/) -- this isn't a question we can answer. I understand that you and @jcmeloni think this is too broad, but I'm starting to think it may be a difference in perspective. Have you guys read [this meta post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2644/) where I explained in more depth?" CreationDate="2014-05-23T02:17:18.953" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5770" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="@jmac Yes, I read everything. :)  What we may perceive as a difference in perspective or as a nuance, is not the same as what a user will &quot;get&quot; in the approximately 3-5 seconds they'll take to read the close reason, either get pissed off or take guidance from it, and take their next step.  So, I think that the more extremely clear we can be, the better, and leave as little to interpretation as possible if we want these notices to be valuable." CreationDate="2014-05-23T12:18:45.327" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="5771" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="@Jmac I disagree that [this question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/24419/16) can not be answered.  The answer can not be validated absolutely but that is not a requirement of SE.  It can be answered and backed up with experience, references, and be explained why.  But it is the type of question I fear would end up caught in this net.  This question establishes a clear and at least potentially achievable goal, and provides enough information to be of assistance and the situation is common enough that others are likely to find benefit in a good answer." CreationDate="2014-05-23T13:24:26.537" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5772" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="@jmac - Just to play devils advocate here... if we did include your version of the close reason we should be able to get our highest voted question closed and hopefully deleted." CreationDate="2014-05-23T13:42:42.670" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5778" PostId="2659" Score="2" Text="Chad, could you please post some specific questions that you think are good questions, but are worried that they would be closed with this reason? Preferably as an answer to [this meta question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2644/good-subjective-bad-subjective-and-agony-aunt-questions)? Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-05-26T00:42:14.163" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5779" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="Or how about, *&quot;Questions about how to handle specific interpersonal conflicts are not practical answerable questions. Please ask questions about solving a practical problem rather than the person causing the problem. For interpersonal issues, please discuss them with your HR or management who can help solve them.&quot;*" CreationDate="2014-05-26T00:52:27.213" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5790" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="@jmac - No I don't think I should have to.  This is a community site and I am strongly against declaring this off topic.  It has been on topic for the entire existence of this site and probably makes up a good portion of our questions.  That it is difficult to moderate is not a reason that we should declare it off topic." CreationDate="2014-05-27T13:31:45.070" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5793" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="@Chad, jmac is asking you to *help us understand your objection*.  (I don't think all interpersonal questions have been on-topic all along, by the way.)  Yes it's a community site -- that means (a) you should want to help the community see where you're coming from, and (b) no one person -- not you, not me, not jmac -- decides site policy.  We'll see what the community says, and in addition we have to consider the voting on the other question (from which this text arose)." CreationDate="2014-05-27T23:00:59.827" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5795" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="Chad, @jcmeloni, I did an incredibly good job of expressing myself poorly in the other meta post, and have [heavily edited it](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2644/) to try to address some of your concerns and clarify my intent. Could you please hop on over there and give me your input? You are both some of the longest-standing members of the community and have seen more questions than almost anyone else, so I would really appreciate your feedback. Thanks in advance!" CreationDate="2014-05-28T05:27:14.390" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5813" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/24564, http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/24580,&#xA;http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/24573,&#xA;http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/24486,&#xA;http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/24473,&#xA;http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/24456,&#xA;http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/24439,&#xA;http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/24423" CreationDate="2014-05-28T17:22:09.323" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5814" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="That is 8 of the last 50 questions posted(and not deleted) that are currently open, though a few may end up closed for other reasons. I am not saying these are all great questions but they should not fall into the off topic bucket. What is the problem you are trying to solve with this close reason?" CreationDate="2014-05-28T17:24:09.433" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5815" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="@Jmac - *that can't be solved or applied to other situations in other workplaces* -  Here is the thing many of these can be solved or applied to other places but the suggested close reason would catch them anyway." CreationDate="2014-05-28T17:25:06.787" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5819" PostId="2659" Score="1" Text="While I'm sure creating a close reason around interpersonal conflicts would eliminate a lot of problematic posts, it could also send the wrong message that there are no good interpersonal conflict questions. I looked through the list, and most of those questions are about real problems with real people, and most got good answers in the spirit of Good Subjective. How can we reword the close reason to where it more clearly targets the poorly worded interpersonal conflict questions but without throwing out *all* of the interpersonal conflict questions?" CreationDate="2014-05-30T02:28:59.703" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5820" PostId="2659" Score="0" Text="I posted an alternate wording [here in this answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2678/98) that I'm hoping helps solve the problem but without throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Let me know what you think." CreationDate="2014-05-30T02:33:00.053" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5755" PostId="2660" Score="1" Text="Got a suggestion? Like *&quot;Questions asking for advice about 'what should I do?' are not practical answerable questions (e.g. &quot;what job should I take?&quot;, &quot;what skills should I learn?&quot; or &quot;is it legal?&quot;). Questions should get answers explaining why and how to make a decision, not advice on what to do.&quot;* Open to anything, not picky about wording, just so long as the concept is good." CreationDate="2014-05-21T14:00:21.137" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5756" PostId="2660" Score="0" Text="Maybe add in parenthesis at the end &quot;This should not be taken as a bar on questions asking how to accomplish a specific goal&quot;" CreationDate="2014-05-21T14:14:01.783" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5766" PostId="2660" Score="3" Text="How about: &quot;Questions asking for advice about what to do are not practical answerable questions (e.g. &quot;What job should I take?&quot;, &quot;What skills should I learn?&quot;, &quot;Is X legal?&quot;), etc.  Questions should lead to answers that clearly explain why and how you can ultimately make your own decision (e.g. &quot;How can I accomplish X?&quot;).&quot;" CreationDate="2014-05-22T14:32:15.807" UserId="26" />
  <row Id="5773" PostId="2660" Score="0" Text="@Chad, I think I understand what you're saying, but could you edit your answer to include specific proposed wording?  Thanks." CreationDate="2014-05-23T16:20:12.590" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5774" PostId="2660" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - I updated the answer." CreationDate="2014-05-23T16:52:35.190" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5775" PostId="2660" Score="1" Text="@Chad - now you're losing the &quot;legal question&quot; close reason." CreationDate="2014-05-23T17:10:05.130" UserId="2341" />
  <row Id="5776" PostId="2660" Score="1" Text="@Bobson - While I am ok with that personally that is not what I am calling for here.  This would be a 3rd close reason is my understanding." CreationDate="2014-05-23T17:17:30.610" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5792" PostId="2662" Score="0" Text="How do I find a job is off topic though..." CreationDate="2014-05-27T18:05:17.120" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5777" PostId="2664" Score="1" Text="With this change, we'd keep the &quot;what to do&quot; reason as it is (since it would no longer be necessary to fold legal into that)." CreationDate="2014-05-26T00:29:26.453" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5789" PostId="2665" Score="0" Text="I still disagree that interpersonal conflicts should be declared off topic." CreationDate="2014-05-27T13:28:03.217" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5781" PostId="2668" Score="0" Text="This is a copy-paste from [somewhere else](https://www.google.co.jp/#q=%22took+the+organization+to+new+heights+and+never+before+had+the+company+experienced+such+profits.+Its+different%22). We have had it before. Developers/Community Managers review our meta, so they will see this as-is. Don't worry!" CreationDate="2014-05-27T01:31:58.633" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5782" PostId="2668" Score="0" Text="@jmac Thanks! But the question I mention is given how inhuman the basic text formatting is—littered with gremlins—is there some way to automatically look out for this stuff?" CreationDate="2014-05-27T01:34:40.413" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="5783" PostId="2668" Score="2" Text="Obviously they can search for certain character codes in submissions to filter stuff like this out. The question is whether or not that would also filter out content that does have value for the site. That's something for the community team to look at, as they probably won't share the nitty gritty of the spam algorithm for (hopefully) obvious reasons. At any rate, thanks for pointing it out, and the community team will see it." CreationDate="2014-05-27T01:38:23.270" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5784" PostId="2668" Score="0" Text="@jmac Okay, obviously you are right. But just so you understand, pretty much every seemingly empty space in the original post was what I believe to be a unicode `U+00A0` non-breaking space." CreationDate="2014-05-27T01:41:26.800" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="5785" PostId="2668" Score="1" Text="I absolutely see the concern, but my guesstimation is that this wasn't done intentionally (in the sense of the person maliciously doing it to try to skirt spam filters or the like), but rather due to the encoding used on the site it was copied from. If copying from sites that use non-ascii characters results in weird unicode spaces, any filter may end up punishing other legitimately copy-pasted resources in questions (which would be bad). Asian languages are...problematic...when it comes to encoding (this seems to be from Pakistan)." CreationDate="2014-05-27T01:44:47.200" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5786" PostId="2668" Score="0" Text="@jmac Understood. I worked on a Chinese website 5 years ago &amp; was stunned how little I truly understood about character set issues before that." CreationDate="2014-05-27T01:51:41.097" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="5787" PostId="2668" Score="0" Text="While I'd love to discuss it further Jake, continuing the discussion of odd character sets would be better suited for [chat]. (Don't want to dilute the message to the super-important community team!)" CreationDate="2014-05-27T01:53:11.327" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5788" PostId="2668" Score="1" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/213201/obscure-the-title-and-text-when-question-is-deleted-by-community-from-spam-offen We spoke about weird unicode stuff in posts a while ago at Whiteboard chat at Programmers. Back then, guys brought up examples of legitimate posts with unicode, if memory serves these were from Islam.SE and some other smaller SE sites" CreationDate="2014-05-27T08:16:04.527" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5796" PostId="2671" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your help! :)" CreationDate="2014-05-28T08:37:46.293" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="5794" PostId="2672" Score="2" Text="Thanks for taking the time to write this. You are (of course) spot on, and I did a horrible job of expressing it in the first iteration. I heavily edited the top post (specifically the definition of the problem, and the solution), and would love to have your input on whether this feels more on-target to you, and if you have any suggestion on how to better explain these sorts of questions if you think they are problematic too. Thanks in advance!" CreationDate="2014-05-28T05:25:47.097" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5797" PostId="2672" Score="0" Text="@jmac Wow! That was a pretty encouraging and welcoming comment. I'll take inspiration." CreationDate="2014-05-28T10:12:22.590" UserId="9316" />
  <row Id="5798" PostId="2672" Score="4" Text="Definitely, thanks for being open to the discussion - have added some more thoughts based on your edit. We get &quot;Someone was mean to me I'm right, right?&quot; questions as well, we usually put them on hold to get them stated more clearly (rant deletion, etc.) but it serves as a starting point for explanation about the issues surrounding situations like that, we don't consider it off topic." CreationDate="2014-05-28T12:42:30.627" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="5799" PostId="2672" Score="2" Text="Thanks @Bleeding, the goal isn't to impose my will on the community, but to try to find where our common ground is and create information for the community that tries to express that clearly so that our standards are easier to understand. I think we're all on the same page (or close to it), I just had a hamfisted way of expressing it that resulted in a few issues. As mxyzplk points out, we want to prevent questions that aren't about solving a problem, but rather solving a *person*, with a helpful close reason that points folks to why. Hope that helps!" CreationDate="2014-05-28T13:18:48.650" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5816" PostId="2672" Score="1" Text="**Workplace dynamics/interactions should be on topic** Exactly what I have been trying to say.  Thank you." CreationDate="2014-05-28T17:34:11.720" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5849" PostId="2672" Score="1" Text="We made some tweaks based on the feedback, and we'd like to get your thoughts on [this revision of the close reason](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2690/98). We feel we've clarified the problem as well as provided a link to the help center, and provided tips on what to do to fix the problem with the post. In short, we feel we've worded it to where we're targeting the most common types of questions that don't fit the six subjective guidelines. Thanks for your feedback thus far!" CreationDate="2014-06-10T05:46:19.117" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5800" PostId="2673" Score="0" Text="That is...odd...I get the same behavior. Let's blame caching! (until a dev or community manager clears this up, then let's kill the messenger!)" CreationDate="2014-05-28T14:31:33.503" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5817" PostId="2674" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/229751/related-questions-with-over-99-score-display-incorrectly" CreationDate="2014-05-29T22:26:57.310" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5818" PostId="2675" Score="5" Text="Looking back at the question, looks like I was the first close-voter too. If you want to discuss that question separately, feel free to [ask a separate question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/ask) and I'll respond directly. For 'primarily opinion-based', a lot of the thinking is outlined in the [good subjective, bad subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/) article, and at the end of the day it's a judgment call. Sometimes we get it wrong (everyone does), so feel free to call foul when you feel someone screwed up so we can discuss." CreationDate="2014-05-29T23:39:33.783" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5825" PostId="2675" Score="0" Text="Thanks for that response, @jmac" CreationDate="2014-05-30T15:57:44.537" UserId="10954" />
  <row Id="5821" PostId="2678" Score="1" Text="Nice one! [15char]" CreationDate="2014-05-30T02:40:48.887" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5822" PostId="2678" Score="0" Text="Great!  Though does this really fall into the off topic close reason?  To me off topic items should be off topic no matter how you word them. Things like what job should I take? is this legal? no matter how you word the question if the core of the question is one of those they are off topic.  That would not be the case here.  To be clear I love the wording it conveys exactly what I think Jmac was trying to get across.  I am just asking if this really belongs as an off topic close reason.  It would work great as a specific unclear what you are asking close reason." CreationDate="2014-05-30T14:05:40.110" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5823" PostId="2678" Score="1" Text="@Chad - Good point. I was thinking of this more as a clarification of primarily opinion based or unclear what you're asking, but you're right that this is for an off-topic close reason. So the next question we must answer is whether it's possible to edit an off-topic post to then make it on-topic." CreationDate="2014-05-30T14:30:30.430" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5829" PostId="2679" Score="0" Text="So basically you want to bring back the NARQ close reason... I am all for that I thought it should have been left as a close reason before.  My only concern here is that again its not that it is off topic but there is no question to help with." CreationDate="2014-06-02T14:00:01.230" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5848" PostId="2679" Score="2" Text="@Chad - I think the way to think of this is it's &quot;off-topic as worded&quot; but not &quot;off-topic as a general rule&quot;. The off-topic custom reasons are the only areas where we can put custom close reasons, but we can always tweak them to be sure it's understood what edits need to be made to make it on-topic. I think that as long as we're clear how to fix the problem, the close reason is less likely to be misunderstood." CreationDate="2014-06-10T05:34:11.077" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5826" PostId="2680" Score="0" Text="If somebody knows how to fix the formatting to show the actual HTML in those code blocks, I'd really appreciate a fix." CreationDate="2014-05-30T19:31:31.287" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5828" PostId="2681" Score="1" Text="Thanks!  With the addition of `!important` that CSS did the trick for me.  (And now I know how to specify nested elements in CSS, yay.)" CreationDate="2014-06-01T03:01:11.303" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5830" PostId="2682" Score="2" Text="This is a [long standing issue on meta.se](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/192086/shouldnt-off-topic-be-only-about-off-topic). *&quot;Strictly-speaking, those two reasons are intended to capture some of the meaning of the old &quot;Not a Real Question&quot; close reason that was lost as we reworked the system to be more specific.&quot;* I don't think it's a great answer either, but it is status-declined from the powers that be. Feel free to work there if you want to get it resolved, but in the meantime I wouldn't get hung up on it as there is nothing we (the mods of TWP) can do to change it." CreationDate="2014-06-02T14:22:26.587" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5831" PostId="2682" Score="0" Text="@jmac - I am not actually opposed to the idea of using it like this.  But I think we should have the discussion as a community so that when people are confused in the future we can point them to that discussion so that people can understand the thought behind it.  And have a starting place to revisit should problems arise from it." CreationDate="2014-06-02T14:25:35.693" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5832" PostId="2682" Score="0" Text="Then may I suggest making an FAQ-style post? Just label it FAQ-proposed, explain the stuff here, and whatever else you want, and we can community wiki it and see what the community comes up with. Regardless, after updating the off-topic close reasons, I planned to put it all together in a single post for reference, but if you are motivated I will happily defer." CreationDate="2014-06-02T14:30:14.893" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5833" PostId="2682" Score="0" Text="I am not convinced that **just because** it was decided that was appropriate at SO that it is appropriate here.  I still think there should be some community discussion before we get to the FAQ point.  I would hope you mods are behind that.  As a side note I think omnibus style meta posts make it difficult to address things that need changed and tend to ram through policies that may have been better tweaked had the posts been broken up in to more self contained chunks." CreationDate="2014-06-02T14:32:23.620" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5834" PostId="2682" Score="0" Text="Chad, regardless of whether the mods are behind it or not, it isn't something that we have any more power to change than you do. Nobody is 'ramming through policies' and nobody is stopping you from breaking off discussions in to separate chunks. The current discussion (of whether to call these off-topic or not) is a spin-off of the linked meta discussion. For our site I've already presented stats on how we are closing these questions anyway, if you think the community is wrong could you please at least cite specific examples of this problem so it can be discussed with the people who closed?" CreationDate="2014-06-02T23:35:20.790" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5836" PostId="2682" Score="1" Text="@jmac - I did not say that it was wrong, just that the discussion was warranted and even [asked for by Jmort](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2655/custom-close-reasons-for-the-workplace#comment5823_2678) in the other thread.  And when you say you have presented stats... perhaps you could link to where that is as I am not sure what post you are referring too." CreationDate="2014-06-03T13:24:33.067" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5838" PostId="2682" Score="1" Text="I went through [262 questions closed as off-topic to see what types of questions they were](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2655/7945). I still don't understand what discussion you want to have here. These questions are being closed, they are just getting closed for different reasons (off-topic / primarily opinion-based / unclear what you're asking). I just want a clear message that says, *&quot;Questions of these types will be closed&quot;* because that's what is actually happening, and that's the type of question we keep getting more of." CreationDate="2014-06-04T04:41:52.150" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5839" PostId="2682" Score="0" Text="Having an appropriate and understandable close reason is important to avoid the feeling of arbitrariness that  happens with Opinion based now.  I think a discussion that we can point to that explains well why these are off topic can only help and I am totally confused by your reluctance to have that discussion." CreationDate="2014-06-04T13:44:14.813" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5840" PostId="2682" Score="1" Text="I can honestly say I have no idea why you think I'm unwilling to discuss it (we're on the third meta question now). To be perfectly blunt, I don't understand what your objection is because you are making different comments saying different things on different posts and haven't offered an alternative that I can grok. Mind either [edit]ing this, or making an answer to one of the other two meta questions discussing this to let the community know exactly what your concerns are so that we can address them directly? Thanks in advance." CreationDate="2014-06-04T14:29:00.627" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5841" PostId="2682" Score="0" Text="@jmac - The alternative is we stay with the process as it is now...  It has worked to get us to this point.  I do not think that change for the sake of change is a good thing.  I am not sure this is better than what we had with out the discussion." CreationDate="2014-06-04T15:24:06.890" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5887" PostId="2682" Score="0" Text="Just a note as seen [here](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/27700/does-empirical-research-indicate-whether-changing-jobs-can-improve-your-salary#comment68973_27700) The use of off topic close reasons for questions about topics that are ok but questions that are not is causing confusion... please weigh in mod." CreationDate="2014-06-24T13:55:27.173" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5921" PostId="2682" Score="1" Text="Hi @Chad, I wonder if the asker would have been less confused if one of the custom close reasons covered this case? The custom close reasons do have some resources included in them that point askers and community members to our meta resources. In cases where people are confused, we can always weigh in with a comment, and if it looks like the close reason is causing too much confusion, we can look into making adjustments. Nothing should be seen as permanent. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-06-27T01:34:38.530" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5835" PostId="2683" Score="2" Text="The 'off-topic' terminology is linked to the mod-editable [help/on-topic] 'on-topic' entry as well. So long as that explains what is on/off-topic here, the terminology shouldn't be that confusing." CreationDate="2014-06-03T02:58:14.090" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5837" PostId="2683" Score="0" Text="@jmac I thought the same thing about not constructive and NARQ..." CreationDate="2014-06-03T21:34:34.043" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5843" PostId="2685" Score="4" Text="Just FYI, there are (currently) 19 deleted comments on that post, so it may be that yours got caught up in a larger operation.  (I'm not the one who handled that post and I haven't reviewed all the comments -- just supplying some possibly-relevant info here.)" CreationDate="2014-06-05T18:48:54.870" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5844" PostId="2685" Score="1" Text="Thanks for that particular bit of information. I made a change to my post to clarify that the incident was only the motivation for a general question." CreationDate="2014-06-05T20:23:22.567" UserId="19715" />
  <row Id="5847" PostId="2686" Score="2" Text="+1 also see this answer from Robert Cartiano on another SE explaining the SE-wide philosophy on comments http://meta.christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/614/how-can-we-improve-our-guidance-about-the-comment-practices/617#617" CreationDate="2014-06-06T23:34:23.490" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="5845" PostId="2687" Score="1" Text="I was thinking of voting to reopen in order to keep the problem visible..." CreationDate="2014-06-06T21:26:28.917" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5846" PostId="2687" Score="2" Text="Now deleted.  (And wow, that's more flags than I've seen in one place before!)" CreationDate="2014-06-06T22:59:04.137" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5856" PostId="2688" Score="4" Text="We get enough bad questions from new users that I can not see how it would hurt to have them see the how to ask page." CreationDate="2014-06-12T13:39:17.683" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6700" PostId="2688" Score="2" Text="There's a story behind this. SF _asked_ for unregistered users to be banned from asking, and Stack Exchange refused and put up that interstitial page instead. It is, as far as I know, unique across the network." CreationDate="2014-11-17T16:48:33.323" UserId="3488" />
  <row Id="5850" PostId="2690" Score="2" Text="I love this close reason" CreationDate="2014-06-10T13:13:29.967" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5851" PostId="2690" Score="0" Text="@Chad - Thanks for all your help in finding the right wording to make this both concise and useful." CreationDate="2014-06-11T02:13:42.397" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5864" PostId="2690" Score="1" Text="+1 this is to the point and focuses on making questions better." CreationDate="2014-06-15T03:12:12.363" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="5858" PostId="2691" Score="7" Text="*To reduce the distractions caused by comments, we're going to take a much more active role in removing them* - this renews my faith in modmanity :)" CreationDate="2014-06-12T13:47:05.653" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5973" PostId="2691" Score="5" Text="Comments are self-limiting.  They auto-collapse when there are more than a few.  Removing them is uncalled for." CreationDate="2014-07-08T03:49:24.200" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="5982" PostId="2691" Score="2" Text="Still, @aroth, comments have a specific purpose as outlined in [What comments are not...](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not). Discussion-oriented comments drown out all of the helpful comments and make it harder to find them. Check out that post for more details on what comments are intended for. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-07-08T15:14:13.737" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5983" PostId="2691" Score="3" Text="In practical terms I think any effort to put a box around comments while still calling them &quot;comments&quot; is ill advised.  As long as they're called &quot;comments&quot; in the interface, that's exactly what people are going to use them for...making [comments](http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/comment?s=t).  If that's not their intended purposes, then the first task is to fix the interface so that it stops giving people the wrong impression by calling these _whatever-they-are's_ &quot;comments&quot;.  Otherwise you've got a neverending road of manual deletions ahead of you." CreationDate="2014-07-08T23:03:52.767" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="5984" PostId="2691" Score="4" Text="Or the short version:  You can't call a reservoir a swimming hole and then expect people not to swim in your drinking water.  The word &quot;comment&quot; already has a definition (which is consistent with how people use comments, I might add).  Instead of trying to change it, pick a different word." CreationDate="2014-07-08T23:13:14.693" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="5992" PostId="2691" Score="3" Text="I find this policy incredibly annoying, I've noticed insightful + useful comments on response which add to the original answer in a way that doesn't justify a new answer, being removed at a later date. And you can't find them again to link someone to them! Why not just post saying &quot;please stay on topic&quot; rather than removing them, and deleting as a *last* resort?" CreationDate="2014-07-10T09:53:03.893" UserId="18019" />
  <row Id="6001" PostId="2691" Score="1" Text="@MichaelThorpe, I tend to personally give comments on answers more leeway, but comments as answers on questions detract from the real answers in a way where they can't be voted on or properly ranked by the community. They also can't be found in Google searches. Lots of negatives to comments used improperly..." CreationDate="2014-07-10T16:06:13.223" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6011" PostId="2691" Score="2" Text="I agree with @aroth. Instead of the label &quot;Comments&quot;, perhaps &quot;Suggestion for improving Question/Answer&quot; or something along those lines would better drive the expected behavior. Otherwise, people will continue leave their &quot;comments&quot; just as they do at every other site." CreationDate="2014-07-11T10:43:40.950" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6016" PostId="2691" Score="0" Text="I've never seen comments deleted on another SE site... very concerning" CreationDate="2014-07-11T19:52:36.043" UserId="13421" />
  <row Id="6033" PostId="2691" Score="2" Text="@MikeM sounds like there's some variance on that.  On some other sites hundreds of comments get deleted each month. It's not just Workplace, not by a long shot." CreationDate="2014-07-13T17:53:17.987" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6037" PostId="2691" Score="0" Text="I much rather show than tell...  can we provide actual examples?" CreationDate="2014-07-14T12:32:53.160" UserId="13421" />
  <row Id="6043" PostId="2691" Score="0" Text="Stack Overflow is a good example, @MikeM. Although there is so much traffic the moderators and community can't keep up with it all. But also, each site is different. On a site like ours, it's easy for folks to get the wrong idea and try to treat it like a discussion forum. We don't want that to happen, so we keep the focus on the Q&amp;A. [Good Subjective, Bad Subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/) does cover the forum problem and why we don't want those problems to occur here. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-07-14T16:15:43.377" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6869" PostId="2691" Score="0" Text="@MikeM They're regularly deleted on Skeptics.SE too. Sometimes [a new user might complains](http://meta.skeptics.stackexchange.com/q/3020/2703) ... generally you don't see it happening, because the comments destroys the evidence that deleting happened i.e. that there ever were any comments." CreationDate="2015-01-13T11:45:05.167" UserId="18412" />
  <row Id="5852" PostId="2692" Score="0" Text="Your answer pretty much reflects my sentiment, but others seem to disagree (also see @mxyzplk's comment with link above). If the site (and others on SE) is considered a strict Q&amp;A affair, only &quot;technical&quot; comments are in order (e.g. asking for clarification). But if a discussion and emergence of a more faceted picture is considered part of it, comments with information or opinion bits below the &quot;answer threshold&quot; would also be of value. This discrepancy is exactly why I wrote the question." CreationDate="2014-06-11T13:25:14.153" UserId="19715" />
  <row Id="5853" PostId="2692" Score="2" Text="One problem with automatic deletion is that it doesn't distinguish.  If a comment points out a flaw in an answer and the author never addresses it, we shouldn't auto-delete that -- a human should judge whether it should remain.  I do wish there were better tools for comment-management; I just don't know what they should be." CreationDate="2014-06-12T00:56:58.793" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5854" PostId="2692" Score="0" Text="BTW, this mod (I'll leave &quot;do-gooder&quot; for others to judge) sometimes flushes a discussion in progress because it's getting ugly.  Name-calling, shouting, and repeating the same points over and over really don't make our site look good.  I try to pay attention to timestamps otherwise, though I might make mistakes sometimes." CreationDate="2014-06-12T00:57:07.507" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5855" PostId="2692" Score="0" Text="I think it is fine if &quot;offensive&quot; comments are flushed by a mod. As far as a comment which points out a flaw in the answer which the author won't address, there's always downvotes and the ability to edit, or if we want to get fancy about it, stackexchange could make it possible to &quot;lock&quot; mod-selected comments?" CreationDate="2014-06-12T09:34:26.707" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="5857" PostId="2692" Score="2" Text="*I think the comments are actually some of the most interesting content on the stackexchange sites.* - I think that would be seen as a failure by many, myself included.  The interesting content should be the questions and answers.  Chat rooms work, people come here because they are not chat rooms or discussion forums.  That is the reason we get the good content that we get and it is so much easier to find here than it would be on a discussion forum or chatroom." CreationDate="2014-06-12T13:43:50.573" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5861" PostId="2692" Score="2" Text="Our [top viewed question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/10006/) has over 140,000 views. People are not coming to read the comments, they are coming to get an answer to their question. As a participant, comments seem like a whole lot of fun, but if you're just looking for an answer, they're distracting. That's why they are meant to be temporary, and why we regularly go through and remove comments when they get in the way of the Q&amp;A. Chat works great as an alternative, check out [this room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/15021) that spawned off a related question." CreationDate="2014-06-13T02:58:47.917" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="11221" PostId="2692" Score="0" Text="@jrmac If reality was that easy -- &quot;question? answer!&quot; I'm afraid this pattern covers about 0.01% of the non-trivial issues. And of those clear-cut questions which have a clear-cut answer, the vast majority had an answer already out there." CreationDate="2017-01-20T13:18:40.497" UserId="19715" />
  <row Id="9584" PostId="2694" Score="4" Text="What does &quot;company-specific&quot; mean here? If I ask &quot;My company has a policy of asking new employees to do X. In that context, blabla?&quot; is it company-specific? Or does &quot;company-specific&quot; describe questions such as &quot;Is sleeping at work accepted at Aramco?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-07-19T07:49:22.657" UserId="19737" />
  <row Id="13212" PostId="2694" Score="0" Text="Any questions about the policy are company specific.  If you include the wording of a policy in a question and asked about doing something while trying to comply with that policy it may be on topic(assuming everything else in the question is on topic).  But we can not tell you if something you want to do is in compliance." CreationDate="2017-08-03T18:51:28.063" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14067" PostId="2696" Score="0" Text="Maybe the link to the &quot;Real Questions Have Answers&quot; blog post is not required? If we went through the trouble of changing the title of that close reason, it sounds confusing to link it to a blog with the &quot;old&quot; title." CreationDate="2017-10-29T14:30:41.247" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="5866" PostId="2698" Score="0" Text="Depending on where the OP works and how their contract is written, they may be salaried but still get paid extra for overtime. I've been in such jobs, where the boss still wanted me to work overtime without the extra pay, promising some time off in lieu which never materialised..." CreationDate="2014-06-17T09:03:48.630" UserId="9164" />
  <row Id="5870" PostId="2699" Score="2" Text="+1: `We definitely want to put these on hold, but we want to do it delicately and with the full intention of following up and taking it off hold as soon as there's some editing activity to help reduce or eliminate the amount of speculative answers.` Bingo!" CreationDate="2014-06-18T08:07:38.647" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="5868" PostId="2700" Score="4" Text="It may seem a bit confusing at first, but you ever go to post on a forum and they put your post in a moderation queue before it's visible, waiting for approval?  Here on Stack Exchange, we take the opposite approach. We assume askers will include enough detail to have a really solid post, and if not, then we put it back into a sort of moderation queue. Our site's goal is to become a resource of knowledge for people to find answers to their problems, so it's important that every question fit our Q&amp;A format. Check out our [about] page to take the tour and learn more." CreationDate="2014-06-18T03:00:18.990" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5869" PostId="2700" Score="2" Text="For further reading, I also suggest [Good Subjective, Bad Subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/). Hope this helps and thanks for participating!" CreationDate="2014-06-18T03:01:05.530" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5867" PostId="2701" Score="0" Text="I've answered this, but I definitely welcome other answers.  This isn't meant to be fiat but a discussion leading to guidance.  Thanks." CreationDate="2014-06-18T01:56:54.350" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5871" PostId="2704" Score="0" Text="The question was too localized but just a business plan is pretty straightforward.  That question was a homework question, but in general the answer would not be too subjective to answer, though it is off topic." CreationDate="2014-06-20T15:57:35.520" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5879" PostId="2706" Score="1" Text="It's okay to give the author of a comment some form of recognition, but we don't want answers to read like they're part of some discussion. Stack Exchange simply isn't a discussion platform, and using answers to try to turn them into one goes against the goals of our site and what the engine was designed for. Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2014-06-21T20:07:27.340" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5880" PostId="2706" Score="0" Text="I believe that if the discussion sharpens the answer, then it does its job. Note that most discussions that I quote don't involve more than two or three comments" CreationDate="2014-06-21T21:46:07.430" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="5881" PostId="2706" Score="3" Text="Still, in most cases, it's best to just integrate the entire work into your post so it flows as one complete body of work. Otherwise, answers end up looking like the very same comment threads we're all working so hard to clean up. Not saying there aren't boundary cases where this could make sense. Perhaps someone worded something in a way where it's valuable to preserve the exact quote, but if many of your answers follow this format, then you're likely doing it wrong." CreationDate="2014-06-21T23:58:27.420" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5872" PostId="2707" Score="4" Text="I'll spell it out for you. Somebody has already pointed out to you the FAQ. I think you missed this point *&quot;How do I learn to be a...&quot; / &quot;How do I perform the job of a ...&quot;&#xA;&#xA;    Questions should be about problems you are encountering or have encountered in the workplace, and not the learning/applying of specific job functions.*" CreationDate="2014-06-21T12:03:09.420" UserId="4971" />
  <row Id="5873" PostId="2707" Score="2" Text="Also you should never ask this kind of meta question on Workplace (why are your questions being downvoted). On StackExchange, each subsite has a sister site called Meta-XXX (in this case Meta-Workplace) which covers topics about the Workplace site." CreationDate="2014-06-21T12:05:38.670" UserId="4971" />
  <row Id="5874" PostId="2707" Score="1" Text="Make an appointment with a career counselor and drive them nuts. I can almost guarantee you that if you asked similar questions at a student career fair, you won't even get an entry level position. It takes several people to say &quot;yes&quot; but it takes only one to say &quot;no&quot; - Look at your downvotes and take a hint. As for our &quot;career&quot; tag, read the questions that are thus tagged: almost all of them are specific, focused and thus answerable. And a big thank you to our readers for asking questions that are specific, focused and thus answerable." CreationDate="2014-06-21T14:19:52.000" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="5877" PostId="2707" Score="1" Text="Well... what can be worse than feeling ignored and downvoted/deleted without explanation?" CreationDate="2014-06-21T15:01:34.657" UserDisplayName="user22473" />
  <row Id="5941" PostId="2707" Score="1" Text="As far as what experienced lead to becoming a CEO.. I'm a CEO. But I'm also 19 and don't make any money with my business yet. *How you you become a CEO?*  -- **Step 1:** Take initiative. **Step 2.** Practice intelligent reasoning and informed decision making. **Step 3.** Make mistakes. *Learn from them.*" CreationDate="2014-06-28T20:16:46.820" UserDisplayName="user20914" />
  <row Id="5942" PostId="2707" Score="1" Text="@AspiringCEO I've asked a lot of bad questions on SE. My SO account has over a hundred questions, and looking back, I'd say that each one (while not being the best) got a little bit better and more helpful to a wider audience. Instead of creating a post to try and make people feel sorry for you, try posting on Meta about a specific question when you don't understand why it is not good." CreationDate="2014-06-28T20:21:49.720" UserDisplayName="user20914" />
  <row Id="5912" PostId="2708" Score="1" Text="Aside from being too broad it is literally a quesiton asking for both what skills to learn and what jobs to takes... both of which are off topic on their own this is kind of uber off-topic" CreationDate="2014-06-26T13:25:05.823" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5883" PostId="2712" Score="5" Text="&quot;Is it upvoted that much simply because of it containing the word Stack Overflow? &quot; Almost certainly." CreationDate="2014-06-24T11:44:41.763" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="5884" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere That's actually quite lame." CreationDate="2014-06-24T11:45:41.693" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="5885" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="the &quot;spending too much&quot; question is stuck in the [hot list](http://stackexchange.com/questions?tab=hot) for 5 days now (currently at position #93 there), that explains multiple upvotes. It's popularity is half [fake](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/192046/165773 &quot;see eg this feature request at MSE&quot;), as indicated by answers score, only 3-4 of 9 appear to be really popular. As for creating &quot;similar sites&quot; questions, see [Copying a question that had a misfortune of being widely exposed in the hot list](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2445/168)" CreationDate="2014-06-24T11:47:30.880" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5886" PostId="2712" Score="2" Text="@Ajaxkevi - (shrug) perhaps I was too quick to jump to a judgement. Perhaps that question had a ton of workplace-related merit and deserved to be upvoted so much. Let me re-read it... Nope. I stand by my conclusion." CreationDate="2014-06-24T11:50:16.200" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="5933" PostId="2712" Score="0" Text="It is valuable because it's my most popular answer EVAR!!!!" CreationDate="2014-06-27T20:20:54.347" UserId="17355" />
  <row Id="5888" PostId="2713" Score="1" Text="How can I get my co-workers to do the work they are supposed to? It's the same question, the only difference is SO. In both cases work is not getting done. My company thinks watching the news for a limited amount of time is acceptable or some work related sites. I bet if I would create a question about any other random site, those would be targeted as duplicate immediately." CreationDate="2014-06-24T14:06:57.490" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="5889" PostId="2713" Score="0" Text="Actually the original question is how can I properly manage remote workers.  This is how do I deal with a specific issue that wastes time in the office.  The answers may(or may not) be similar but the problems are very different though related." CreationDate="2014-06-24T16:49:40.143" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5897" PostId="2713" Score="1" Text="&quot;The issue is that the team sits remotely. They are in a different country and in a different time zone, so I can't physically be there to keep an eye on them and stop them from doing it. I am seeing the decline in productivity, as well as quality.&quot; From the StackOverflow question. &quot;How can I make sure my remote workers are not slacking off?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-06-25T07:22:41.573" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="5898" PostId="2713" Score="0" Text="The issue is not that the team sits remotely.  At least that is not the problem that the OP is asking for.  This is a very specific issue, that is different than the needing to be able to be accountable to superiors that remote employees are actually working.  This is how do I address the specific problem with out taking away the resource." CreationDate="2014-06-25T13:07:01.307" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5899" PostId="2713" Score="0" Text="&quot;The issue is not that the team sits remotely&quot; Your quote versus question's quote: &quot;The issue is that the team sits remotely.&quot; Slacking off == Slacking off, yes you have different types, but does every type of slacking off need to be discussed?" CreationDate="2014-06-25T13:12:06.573" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="5900" PostId="2713" Score="0" Text="That is the issue the as the OP perceives it, but not actually the issue.  If it was the issue that is easily solved by bringing the team in house." CreationDate="2014-06-25T13:28:19.513" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5901" PostId="2713" Score="1" Text="It was OP's issue. Now it is not the actual issue while OP asked the question. Read the answers of the SO question. They pretty much all state SO isn't OP's problem, but the work not getting done is his problem. Why can't he tell them immediately? Because he is not in the same location! -&gt; How can I make sure my remote workers are not slacking off?" CreationDate="2014-06-25T13:37:23.030" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="5902" PostId="2713" Score="0" Text="@Ajaxkevi - I disagree with those answers though...  and maybe that is why I do not think this is a duplicate.  I would also note that the accepted and highest voted answer does not say that but instead focuses on how to deal with the problem." CreationDate="2014-06-25T13:39:49.020" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5890" PostId="2714" Score="0" Text="related (possibly a duplicate): [Are request for resource list questions going to be acceptable?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/203/are-request-for-resource-list-questions-going-to-be-acceptable) See also: [Why do we close a poll data question?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1703/why-do-we-close-a-poll-data-question) &quot;The OP... was asking the references of poll results&quot;" CreationDate="2014-06-24T19:05:40.587" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5891" PostId="2714" Score="1" Text="@gnat I don't think the question here is asking for a resource list.  It's asking for the *answer*, not a list.  So not a dupe IMO." CreationDate="2014-06-24T19:07:00.410" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5892" PostId="2714" Score="1" Text="Monica, if you think of it, this is same old rotten [list-question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/list-questions) in disguise. Neither OP nor we don't know whether there is a single research of this kind or there are many out there (per my observations of these questions, it typically turns into list as time goes by)" CreationDate="2014-06-24T19:11:14.357" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5896" PostId="2714" Score="0" Text="I agree with Chad and @gnat. If this question gets reopened, I will immediately vote to close." CreationDate="2014-06-25T01:28:05.387" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="5934" PostId="2714" Score="1" Text="do we really want to be flooded by [&quot;what evidence there is...&quot;](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/27866/employers-give-preference-to-graduates-from-college-x-to-maintain-the-relationsh &quot;'blah blah  I was wondering what evidence there is beyond hearsay. Any confirmation?'&quot;) kind questions? I can imagine literally thousands different braindumps, each ending with a smokescreen asking for &quot;evidence&quot; / &quot;research&quot; / &quot;authoritative references&quot;" CreationDate="2014-06-27T21:23:37.203" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5935" PostId="2714" Score="1" Text="@gnat have we been, in the 2+ years the site's been around?  I'm not saying it can't happen, and I'm not saying we wouldn't re-evaluate if it did, but it just strikes me that this particular claim is oft-repeated and rarely if ever supported, so a question about it on our site seems reasonable.  Shrug; the community (or meta-using subset of it) obviously disagrees, so I'm not pushing." CreationDate="2014-06-27T21:53:11.853" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5936" PostId="2714" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio consider that I for one has been voting to close here any question like that in between [summer '12](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1704/168 &quot;my first encounter with resource request at TWP referred from here&quot;) and site graduation this spring, when I lost CV privileges. Consider also that these closures were most likely supported by some other users with Prog.SE background. This could have some impact on &quot;outside&quot; perception of Workplace being generally unwelcome towards resource requests. But, trust me, let them in and they will leak through..." CreationDate="2014-06-27T22:15:23.060" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5937" PostId="2714" Score="1" Text="...Just one or two questions like that make it into hot list and you'll get a wide open door" CreationDate="2014-06-27T22:15:53.610" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5981" PostId="2714" Score="0" Text="It is ironic that the question asks for empirical research, but the comment that was up-voted the most refers to an article that is just a series of anecdotes" CreationDate="2014-07-08T11:50:58.040" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="5893" PostId="2715" Score="1" Text="Thanks for this answer.  It sounds like you agree that &quot;does changing jobs increase your salary in the long run&quot; is a valid question.  To my eye the current question is an *improvement* on that because it says &quot;and sources, please&quot;, but you're reading it as only about compiling a list.  I would be fine with your final version if we added something like &quot;I'm looking for research, not anecdotes&quot;.  (I don't know how you know that the OP doesn't want our answers and only wants a link; where does he say that?)" CreationDate="2014-06-24T19:40:02.130" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5894" PostId="2715" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - I get that by what the OP asked for and what they OP Said both in the question and in comments." CreationDate="2014-06-24T20:23:57.963" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5895" PostId="2715" Score="1" Text="`I think you misunderstood my comment. I was agreeing that explain the research to me would be on topic but only if you already have the research you want explained. Go out and find the research and then explain it to me is not what we are here for. We are not a crowd sourced search engine we are a question and answer site.` +1: For being correct." CreationDate="2014-06-25T01:26:40.830" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="5907" PostId="2716" Score="2" Text="I disagree. Ofcourse it involves learning, but who says the learning has anything to do with work-related things? If I am a PHP coder and I answer questions about Javascript is my learnings really still valuable to my employer. My facebookfeed sometimes holds some interesting stuff about my profession from which I can learn. Can I look at my facebookfeed to look for interesting stuff at my job? Probably not." CreationDate="2014-06-25T15:21:20.963" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="5913" PostId="2717" Score="1" Text="_answers in the forms of links are..._ officially considered not an answer since recently: [Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/225370/165773)" CreationDate="2014-06-26T13:47:30.090" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5914" PostId="2717" Score="1" Text="@gnat - yup. Thus, a question begging for links to &quot;empirical evidence&quot; is asking for a non-answer." CreationDate="2014-06-26T13:55:41.780" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="5915" PostId="2717" Score="0" Text="yup to your yup. Thus, in turn, such begging is to me the main reason to close vote. When a question is such that link-only garbage legitimately &quot;answers&quot; it, this means it would better be deleted, to avoid creating broken windows" CreationDate="2014-06-26T14:01:27.210" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5943" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="The Help center is pretty clear that you should be asking about real actionable problems that actually effect you... unless it has been changed recently" CreationDate="2014-06-29T23:29:09.027" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5945" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="That said if you ask for a reference in the question (to a resource) it is not off topic so long as the actual question is asking for how to deal with a problem you are having navigating the workplace.  So when a specific individual continually decides to close questions with that reason it just looks like it is off topic when it is not." CreationDate="2014-06-29T23:34:26.683" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5946" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame the question linked does reference a real actionable problem that affects me.  I thought asking for a resource to share with the manager would be the most on-topic way of asking the question since that question was specific and answerable." CreationDate="2014-06-30T01:15:07.897" UserId="18036" />
  <row Id="5947" PostId="2720" Score="2" Text="Links on the internet rot fairly quickly.  But an answer that helps you deal with a problem is always there to reference.  That is the problem with requests for resources more than anything else." CreationDate="2014-06-30T01:32:31.890" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5948" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="I resource doesn't have to be a link on the internet.  It could be the name of a book or a bibliographic reference to an article" CreationDate="2014-06-30T01:40:51.520" UserId="18036" />
  <row Id="5949" PostId="2720" Score="1" Text="I don't think we've ever clearly stated that they are off-topic here, and I'm not sure that they are. I can't find any meta posts discussing this so far, so you may want to actually have the discussion to determine if it actually *should* be off-topic here. I know that there are many members of our community who feel strongly that all users should do the legwork to find resources themselves and ask about a specific resource, but I'm not sure if I fully agree with that stance either. Great catch on bringing it up though!" CreationDate="2014-06-30T01:41:48.580" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5950" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="Anyhow, I'm not actually asking for discussion about whether requests for resources should be allowed.  That seems to have been discussed fairly thoroughly on meta already.  What I am asking for is that if that is indeed a rule, it should be clearly stated in the help center pages on what is on and off topic.  @jmac I was just posting this when your post appears.  I thought it had been discussed here - I'll look for it." CreationDate="2014-06-30T01:42:31.957" UserId="18036" />
  <row Id="5951" PostId="2720" Score="1" Text="@jmac see http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/203/are-request-for-resource-list-questions-going-to-be-acceptable for prior discussion on this topic.  Also the fact that one of the custom close reasons is (apparently) something along the lines of &quot;off-topic because it requests a resource&quot; it certainly _seems_ like the decision has been made that they are or should be off topic." CreationDate="2014-06-30T01:43:50.147" UserId="18036" />
  <row Id="5952" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="Hey Purple, I didn't think your question was asking for a list of resources even in the first revision, and I think it's an entirely different discussion. This is closer, in my mind, to [this meta discussion](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2714/) about asking for empirical data about a topic. I also don't think any of the custom close reasons involves asking for a resource here (though one does exist on SO)." CreationDate="2014-06-30T01:55:49.947" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5953" PostId="2720" Score="0" Text="They've cleaned up comments on my question, but someone said something to that effect (that asking for a resource was one of the custom close reasons) unless I misunderstood and they were referring to SO and not here." CreationDate="2014-06-30T02:23:59.860" UserId="18036" />
  <row Id="5956" PostId="2720" Score="2" Text="The current version is exactly what I was saying was the right way to ask the question." CreationDate="2014-06-30T13:29:37.633" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5954" PostId="2721" Score="0" Text="&quot;Requests for resources are pretty universally off-topic on our sites.&quot; ([MSE](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/234645/165773))" CreationDate="2014-06-30T07:32:33.443" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5955" PostId="2722" Score="2" Text="great reminder about _back it up rule_, I think it essentially makes explicit resource requests in questions superfluous - the very rules of the site require that answers were authoritatively backed up" CreationDate="2014-06-30T09:26:22.173" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5962" PostId="2723" Score="0" Text="_if that specific resource is not obvious or easy to find_ - would this qualify as a [guessing game](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/02/lets-play-the-guessing-game), or there is a difference?&#xA;&quot;...these questions aren’t educational in any way, because there’s no way to learn about the process of discovery. A particular community member, by virtue of their experience in the field, just happens to be able to take the limited information you remembered and fill in enough of the blanks to guess the correct answer... guessing game questions do not meet our goal of making the Internet better.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-07-02T20:18:44.043" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5958" PostId="2726" Score="1" Text="If you post something **intentionally** abusive then I think a 100 point reputation penalty is a great reminder not to post something offensive in the future.  Sounds like it should have been accepted." CreationDate="2014-07-02T14:45:01.020" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5959" PostId="2726" Score="2" Text="If you want to discuss a specific flag, post it for all to see.  Link to the revision you flagged.  *And not here in comments* -- comments are not for long conversations, as you know." CreationDate="2014-07-02T14:50:00.683" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5960" PostId="2726" Score="1" Text="My comment is on your answer.  If you want me to post the link though I will: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/27781/2" CreationDate="2014-07-02T14:51:47.817" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="5961" PostId="2726" Score="1" Text="Monica, while I generally agree with your answer, have to admit that edit like in [particular case](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/27781/revisions &quot;revision 4&quot;) brought by @ReallyTiredOfThisGame looks better done by a moderator (I'd hesitate to do it as a regular user). I would also have a hard time trying to decide between flagging it as &quot;Other&quot; vs &quot;Offensive&quot;: the post (prior to your edit) seems to go a bit too far for usual flags" CreationDate="2014-07-02T15:11:36.717" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5964" PostId="2729" Score="1" Text="I was the one who initially deleted the question as it was receiving offensive flags for the community for the reasons that Monica described. The user was not acting in good faith in this case, which is why the content was removed multiple times." CreationDate="2014-07-05T03:26:04.567" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5963" PostId="2730" Score="1" Text="Hey thanks especially for pointing out freelancing.se; didn't see that one! It seems like that is better for freelance-specific administrative topics, and workplace.se is good for e.g. personal client relations and politics?" CreationDate="2014-07-05T03:24:51.220" UserId="15912" />
  <row Id="5965" PostId="2730" Score="3" Text="No problem @Jason! We would be more than happy to have your questions here if they are along the lines of our [help/on-topic], but longer-term you may find freelancing a better fit for certain questions. As a larger graduated site, we have more eyes on questions, but the topic of our site means people may approach it from a different perspective than freelancing would. Best of luck wherever you decide to post!" CreationDate="2014-07-05T03:27:58.130" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5970" PostId="2730" Score="0" Text="One thing to keep in mind, Jason, is that we may be hesitant to migrate a question to Freelancing SE that was asked here first. If a question gets a lot of highly up voted answers or lots of answers in general, that may overwhelm the small beta site, which doesn't yet have a large community of answerers. This is something you may want to consider. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-07-06T16:13:09.037" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="5966" PostId="2731" Score="2" Text="That seems unlikely. A more plausible scenario is that deleting an account is a dangerous operation with broad consequences that isn't (easily?) available, even to moderators." CreationDate="2014-07-05T15:40:51.613" UserId="2196" />
  <row Id="5967" PostId="2731" Score="2" Text="http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/deleting-account" CreationDate="2014-07-05T17:21:15.770" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5968" PostId="2731" Score="2" Text="Another plausible scenario is that it's the weekend and the moderators aren't here at your beck and call, ready to snap to attention when you click your fingers." CreationDate="2014-07-05T21:03:13.900" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="5969" PostId="2732" Score="2" Text="Further, since it's a weekend (and, in the US where two of the three mods and most of the community managers live, a holiday weekend), there may be some delays." CreationDate="2014-07-06T02:42:56.857" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5972" PostId="2732" Score="1" Text="To be clear, moderators *can* delete accounts; normally they *don't* because it leaves them holding the bag when someone decides to be an ass (yes, I've seen people complain that their account was deleted *in response to the same email chain where they asked for it to be deleted*, so this can become a real headache - that's why we have such an elaborate procedure built up around it...)" CreationDate="2014-07-08T03:02:59.320" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="5971" PostId="2733" Score="1" Text="-1: `Additionally, as becomes extremely evident on sites like skeptics.SE, it's never just linking to research, it's also about critically evaluating it's value in the context of the question. The question discussed here for example asks just for the research, but if it would've been phrased like the following...`: Correct, but it wasn't phrased like that, hence the problem." CreationDate="2014-07-07T22:59:31.480" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="5976" PostId="2733" Score="1" Text="@JimG. However the other answers where arguing against those kind of questions in a far broader context. The original question, before mod intervention, was even worded like that. Additionally the code tags are not meant to be used for quotes." CreationDate="2014-07-08T06:27:57.710" UserId="12607" />
  <row Id="5977" PostId="2733" Score="0" Text="Agreed. Except for the part about the code tags. When calling attention to a snippet in a comment, code tags can be very handy." CreationDate="2014-07-08T10:40:01.957" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="5978" PostId="2733" Score="0" Text="@JimG. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/135112/inline-code-spans-should-not-be-used-for-emphasis-right" CreationDate="2014-07-08T10:48:36.777" UserId="12607" />
  <row Id="5979" PostId="2733" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/135112/inline-code-spans-should-not-be-used-for-emphasis-right#comment773467_165710" CreationDate="2014-07-08T11:20:58.553" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="5980" PostId="2740" Score="0" Text="thanks! seems to be at least 2 deleted answers there, I couldn't see that. Consider protecting the question as it seems to attract garbage and spam (with a title like that and ~20K views, why wouldn't it)" CreationDate="2014-07-08T11:40:54.303" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5985" PostId="2742" Score="0" Text="for How to Answer section, did you consider including references to Back It and Don't repeat Others rules?" CreationDate="2014-07-09T13:38:04.673" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5986" PostId="2742" Score="0" Text="As I said in the answer @gnat, this isn't the place for 'how to answer' because it's about how to ask. There is currently no place for 'how to answer', but putting it here doesn't really make sense." CreationDate="2014-07-09T14:03:54.723" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5987" PostId="2742" Score="0" Text="oh I got it, thanks!" CreationDate="2014-07-09T15:18:43.847" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5988" PostId="2742" Score="0" Text="Should we add that something to indicate that price checks on salary/pay rate type questions are off topic? Otherwise it might seem to be in scope under the &quot;negotiations&quot;, &quot;promotions&quot; or &quot;pay increases&quot; aspects of the general topic." CreationDate="2014-07-09T15:59:55.060" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="5989" PostId="2742" Score="0" Text="I like your lists.  But the reason &quot;how to answer&quot; is wedged in there is that there's no other place to put it and we do have some rules about it that should be communicated to people up front.  Possibly it could be replaced with a link to one well-written post on meta, but I'd hate to lose it entirely." CreationDate="2014-07-09T19:39:03.513" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5990" PostId="2742" Score="0" Text="@Monica, I know why it's in there, but it makes the article longer, and doesn't help the people we would want to direct to it (people looking for rules on what they can ask). I like the idea of a separate meta post on how to answer, and if we can get custom post notices, or a custom section added to the help center in the answering section, we can add it there." CreationDate="2014-07-10T05:59:32.957" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5991" PostId="2742" Score="0" Text="@matt, fully agreed -- that was implied, but not clearly enough. I've edited to add that more specifically in the outline so that it doesn't get forgotten)" CreationDate="2014-07-10T06:00:07.197" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5993" PostId="2743" Score="0" Text="&quot;Long comments threads make it harder to get to and read answers. Not just that but which is probably more dangerous, long comments threads make answers look less important. Assuming that comments tend to stick to popular, highly viewed posts, this may have substantial perception impact...&quot; ([Help us figure out a way to handle the explosion of comments...](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/180752/165773))" CreationDate="2014-07-10T10:50:44.420" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="5996" PostId="2744" Score="3" Text="If the comments do actually contribute to the answer and you don't have the time to append their content to an answer then you are knowingly killing useful information. While your dedication to cleaning up the comments is commendable, the blanket deletion of worthy information is not. Furthermore, this isn't the only Stack Exchange with this issue and it's the only one where I've seen this draconian policy from a mod. Now that I sound truly combative, I'm sure you didn't jump right to this approach and have tried other unsuccessful ones, I'm just perturbed by the loss of good information." CreationDate="2014-07-10T14:15:24.280" UserId="19821" />
  <row Id="5997" PostId="2744" Score="3" Text="@maxy, I try pretty hard not to delete comments that the author of the post hasn't read (I check when they last visited vs. the posting time of the comment) or that are only a couple hours old, so there is definitely an opportunity for either the commenter or the post author to edit them in. Or anyone else in the community (there are more of you than there are mods). We also get flags on comments very frequently, so I am following the rules the community decided from the help center/linked post. Want the information to stay? Edit it in or make another answer. Nothing draconian about it." CreationDate="2014-07-10T14:40:22.123" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="5999" PostId="2744" Score="4" Text="There is some contradiction in the rules. My comment to the topic of the warehouse picker who has been forced to develop software for the same low wages, was to try the citizen advice bureau. It is deleted, so this potentially useful information is gone. If I had posted it as an answer, then you or someone else would say that it is too short and should be a comment, as it happened with my answer in another topic. But I didn't want to write a long answer as I have no personal experience with the CAB. Should I just write a long text with a tiny bit of meaningful information in it? Please advise." CreationDate="2014-07-10T15:51:47.160" UserId="18950" />
  <row Id="6000" PostId="2744" Score="2" Text="And the &quot;comments removed&quot; message. Is it possible to not have this message at all. I personally find it annoying to know that there was something here but I can't read it. A even better option would be to hide the comments (leaving only a link to them), then they wouldn't distract from the answer and the members who want to read them would be able to do so." CreationDate="2014-07-10T16:01:18.210" UserId="18950" />
  <row Id="6003" PostId="2744" Score="1" Text="@greenfingers there's a whole q&amp;a about what to do with comments here: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/180325/help-us-figure-out-a-way-to-handle-the-explosion-of-comments-on-stack-overflow/180752 Realistically, tweaking jmac's process is unlikely to leave anyone satisfied." CreationDate="2014-07-10T16:16:34.790" UserId="19821" />
  <row Id="6005" PostId="2744" Score="0" Text="@maxywb yes but if I don't vent my frustration in the meta where can I? :)" CreationDate="2014-07-10T16:45:36.917" UserId="18950" />
  <row Id="6006" PostId="2744" Score="2" Text="@greenfingers - You could add it as a comment to an existing answer. I tend to view comments on actual, real answers as detracting less than comments posted as answers under the question. Also, either you or the answerer could edit in that additional info into the relevant answer..." CreationDate="2014-07-10T16:50:26.907" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6007" PostId="2744" Score="2" Text="With that said, I've been wanting to create a MSE feature request to make it easier for people to move comment discussions to chat via the ability to create a room and then ping users in the comments. Perhaps that, as well as your idea to just collapse comments by default, could help mitigate the problem. Still, useful info in comments is a problem. There's simply no way to rank them or make them searchable by search engines. Info in comments is less useful than info in actual answers based on the design goals of SE." CreationDate="2014-07-10T16:52:29.003" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6010" PostId="2744" Score="1" Text="@greenfingers, the comments serve two purposes: (1) they let me know that I already cleaned out comments there, and that I should feel freer to delete comments that come in after because... (2) it shows the community that comments should not be for chit-chat, so that when I do delete the lot they were forewarned. For currently active posts, I would much rather keep them around for that reason, but for older posts, feel free to flag them as obsolete (say a week after the post was active last?)." CreationDate="2014-07-11T09:22:42.387" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6032" PostId="2744" Score="0" Text="@maxywb re your first comment here: moderators are not expected to arbitrate *correctness*; that's what voting is for.  So at best we know that *the person who posted a comment* thought it contained valuable information, but since it's not an answer the community can't properly evaluate it (no comment downvotes) nor improve it (no edits).  Even if it was useful -- and I emphasize the &quot;if&quot; because often it seems not to be -- we can't expect moderators to decide that.  If you want your valuable suggestion to be on the site, put it in an answer." CreationDate="2014-07-13T17:48:40.310" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19783" PostId="2744" Score="0" Text="You should not delete comments, you're removing completely all social functionality in this place just might as well just change it to stackdocumentation" CreationDate="2019-07-12T16:58:50.650" UserDisplayName="user86742" />
  <row Id="5994" PostId="2745" Score="3" Text="Most of the close votes predate the edits, so that might be part of it.  Moderators don't generally remove comments that provide feedback on improving the post (that's what comments are mainly *for*, after all), unless a subsequent edit has rendered them obsolete.  I haven't looked at the details of this case yet (hence comment rather than answer)." CreationDate="2014-07-10T12:40:19.160" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="5995" PostId="2746" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the evaluation, that's what I was looking for. The way you explain it makes sense, I can edit it to make it more actionable so perhaps it won't attract the two more votes left before it closes." CreationDate="2014-07-10T13:59:39.317" UserId="19336" />
  <row Id="5998" PostId="2747" Score="1" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/133552/should-i-answer-off-topic-questions" CreationDate="2014-07-10T15:27:07.573" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6002" PostId="2747" Score="0" Text="Similar, but not exactly the same.  I agree that there's nothing to be gained by answering questions that are obviously off-topic - my question is more about ones that fall into the gray area." CreationDate="2014-07-10T16:09:19.243" UserId="14047" />
  <row Id="6004" PostId="2747" Score="1" Text="The big problem right now is that the post is a &quot;poll&quot;. There's no problem to be solved. The post doesn't clearly define what the question is or what goal the asker is seeking. It's way too open ended and broad. With some editing, those things can all be fixed." CreationDate="2014-07-10T16:44:37.227" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6036" PostId="2747" Score="0" Text="Don't answer this: Is the answer to this question &quot;No&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-07-14T11:10:30.210" UserDisplayName="user19100" />
  <row Id="6081" PostId="2747" Score="1" Text="Only when there's _no conceivable way_ that another human being will benefit from the question being answered?  Otherwise I'd think that even an 'inappropriate' question is worth answering." CreationDate="2014-07-20T12:19:05.073" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="6144" PostId="2747" Score="0" Text="I'm with aroth, the more content the better." CreationDate="2014-07-23T18:56:16.473" UserId="4957" />
  <row Id="6008" PostId="2748" Score="7" Text="request SE team to set a limit of displayed comments at Workplace to five, like they do for Stack Overflow. Or, better yet, to 3-4" CreationDate="2014-07-11T04:54:22.403" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6009" PostId="2748" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the suggestion @gnat, mind tossing it up as an answer with relevant links to wherever this is discussed on meta.so/meta.se so that people can refer and vote on it? Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-07-11T09:08:47.717" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6019" PostId="2748" Score="3" Text="Why do you see them as a problem? On other SE site they are not always in line with the bullet points you listed, but they usually help, either with providing more (loosely) relevant information, or helping to work out the solution. They are more often than not left be and I don't see how leaving them in is a problem. You may be a bit more pedantic than others (&quot;but it's in the rules!&quot;), but is there any other reason why you think the comments are harmful?" CreationDate="2014-07-12T04:29:34.933" UserId="17271" />
  <row Id="6020" PostId="2748" Score="3" Text="@zespri, when there are 3-4 comments, it isn't a big deal and I don't usually go looking to delete them. When you get over 20 comments on a question in the first 12 hours after it's posted, that definitely *is* a problem, because it draws attention away from the Q&amp;A, and makes future visitors have to read through a bunch of comments to find their answer rather than looking at the actual answers provided. SE is not a discussion forum, and when used as one, loses a lot of the value that makes it successful." CreationDate="2014-07-12T04:58:35.993" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6022" PostId="2748" Score="7" Text="That's a personal opinion as to what is distracting.  What the SE platform has done is let the &quot;crowd&quot; clarify what is important with the voting process.  The platform buries comments without votes.  One person's opinion shouldn't replace the system." CreationDate="2014-07-12T05:05:23.820" UserId="13421" />
  <row Id="6024" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="What happens if you exclude closed questions from that query?" CreationDate="2014-07-12T07:15:11.717" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6025" PostId="2748" Score="3" Text="@Mike, why do you think this is 'one person's opinion'? These rules existed prior to the creation of [workplace.se] beta, and the linked post on what comments are not was also created by the *&quot;Director of Community Development for the Stack Exchange Network.&quot;* I get that you don't like it, and that is certainly fine (we all have our own opinions, and I wouldn't have it any other way), but it definitely isn't one person's opinion." CreationDate="2014-07-12T08:52:29.843" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6027" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="When did The Workplace graduate from Beta?" CreationDate="2014-07-13T12:46:03.363" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6028" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="@Joe, February 20th." CreationDate="2014-07-13T12:54:07.160" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6029" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="@jmac - thanks. That lends even more credence to the thought that we have less of a &quot;comments&quot; problem, and more of a &quot;lots of posts, thus a corresponding lots of comments&quot; phenomenon." CreationDate="2014-07-13T13:03:55.693" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6030" PostId="2748" Score="1" Text="@Joe, if the comments were evenly distributed, it definitely would be less of an issue. The problem is that the comments *aren't* evenly distributed -- they are quite clumpy, especially on popular posts where over 40 comments can pop up in hours. Note that Jon's answer says that the comments/post indicates there is no sharp increase *assuming even distribution* (which isn't the case). We also have some pretty chatty back-and-forths too, which aren't good to keep around." CreationDate="2014-07-13T14:13:19.263" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6041" PostId="2748" Score="3" Text="@Joe, the goal is *&quot;[working together to build a library of **detailed answers to every question** about the workplace.](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/tour)&quot;* Community is definitely not the goal because [Stack Exchange is not a social networking site](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/65261/). We are (presumably) here to give good answers to questions to help future visitors -- community should take a back seat to that. Comments are problematic when they shift us from Q&amp;A to debate and chit-chat, and that is the issue that I am seeing recently and think needs to be addressed." CreationDate="2014-07-14T14:55:14.917" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6058" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="I have 3 suggestions - 1) collapse the comments under a link to them; 2) make it easy for the users to navigate to the meta/chat; 3) allow for short answers - if the information is useful why the length of the text should be an issue? Why somebody looking for a solution for a particular problem should read a wall of text instead of answers that go straight to the point?" CreationDate="2014-07-16T09:36:14.073" UserId="18950" />
  <row Id="6060" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="Could you explain that a bit more please @Joe? The help center has always been very clear that (a) comments are temporary post-it notes that may be removed, (b) comments are not a substitute for chat or answers. So the entire SE network has decided that this is the appropriate action to take, and the entire system is designed with that assumption -- it is not just [workplace.se], but the entire network that has those rules. What makes you so confused about the policy?" CreationDate="2014-07-17T02:23:21.693" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6062" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="@jmac - I'm not confused about the policy. I'm confused about the inconsistent execution of the policy. Sometimes it's &quot;remove the comment, leave a get-a-room comment&quot;. Sometimes it's just &quot;don't make the question better, just remove *some* of the comments and leave some others&quot;. It causes me to be confused about if I previously left a comment suggesting a question improvement (and it just disappeared) or not. No worries, I'll learn to adjust. You folks are the moderators, so you enforce the policy however you interpret it. I understand that." CreationDate="2014-07-17T10:43:01.977" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6065" PostId="2748" Score="4" Text="@JoeStrazzere comments requesting clarifications that haven't been addressed yet should stick around.  If you  think comments like that have been incorrectly removed, please bring it up (chat or meta).  Once comments have been addressed they're obsolete so might get removed, basically the next time something calls mod attention to the post.  As for execution (leaving a comment about deleting comments/directing to chat or not), not all mods are completely consistent, either with each other or with ourselves at other times.  For example, I haven't yet set up comment templates at work (new PC)." CreationDate="2014-07-18T03:02:24.880" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6086" PostId="2748" Score="1" Text="@jmac I plan to post an answer some time later, as I am mostly offline this and next week. Wrt links I am going to use, there are two: [this 2009 announcement about 5 top comments shown at SO](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/04/comments-top-n-shown/) and [this 2013 complaint about the explosion of comments on Stack Overflow](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/180325/help-us-figure-out-a-way-to-handle-the-explosion-of-comments-on-stack-overflow)" CreationDate="2014-07-21T02:13:01.023" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6188" PostId="2748" Score="1" Text="@jmac regarding limit for displayed comments, [Shog says](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/235255/proposed-tweak-to-comment-ui-for-long-threads/235264?noredirect=1#comment777575_235264) it has been always there at Workplace &quot;That's been the behavior on all sites for years... The difference for TWP and Progse is that for questions with &gt; 15 answers, all comments are hidden by default - the top N are only shown if there are N comments with upvotes.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-07-28T04:12:55.680" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6233" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="I have the impression that this is one of those situations in which a bad naming decision leads to confusion. In SE the term &quot;Comment&quot; seems to be more like &quot;Suggestion&quot;, but Users deal with them as Comments: light-weighted contributions." CreationDate="2014-08-05T11:50:45.123" UserId="14462" />
  <row Id="6246" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - If that were actually true then we wouldnt have a problem.  The problem is that the comments are not culled ruthlessly enough." CreationDate="2014-08-06T16:01:56.867" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6247" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="I think 90% of our problem could be addressed by not pinging users to comments addressed to them unless they are the OP of the post or from the OP Comments seem to get out of control when outside people decide to get involved in the discussion.  Personally I think a better solution is just to not allow comments to be addressed to anyone other than the OP and only be visible to the OP but that is a pipe dream" CreationDate="2014-08-06T16:10:42.047" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7382" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="related: [Provide an option for moderators to enable throttling of comments by requiring user to review prior ones](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/260130/165773)" CreationDate="2015-07-06T17:16:10.150" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7534" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="I see a lot of comments here." CreationDate="2015-08-16T20:32:15.570" UserId="2361" />
  <row Id="7573" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="Do we still have a comment problem? Or have the numbers leveled off?" CreationDate="2015-08-15T01:52:35.740" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7574" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="Good question, thought it may take some time to look into I'd be curious myself!" CreationDate="2015-08-17T20:26:00.360" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13175" PostId="2748" Score="0" Text="Related post with a few proposals: [Comments are not for extended discussion - long-term solution discussion](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4587/comments-are-not-for-extended-discussion-long-term-solution-discussion). Properly &quot;fixing&quot; this problem might allow us to remove the comment reputation restriction with no negative effects while also reducing the number of non-answer or comment answers by new users (not sure about The Workplace, but that should have a non-trivial effect on Stack Overflow)." CreationDate="2017-08-01T17:45:35.653" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="6694" PostId="2750" Score="0" Text="Except the UI for comment entry says, when expanded, &quot;Use comments to ask for clarification or add more information. Avoid comments like '+1' or 'Thanks'.&quot; Do you really think changing the name of comments will help users who aren't reading the default explanation that appears every time they begin entering a comment?" CreationDate="2014-11-16T05:53:26.823" UserId="2071" />
  <row Id="6696" PostId="2750" Score="4" Text="I do indeed. I think any label that requires a lengthy &quot;expanded&quot; explanation to be correctly understood should be reconsidered. Icons should be evocative/descriptive, labels even more so. In this case, I think the UI is failing on both counts." CreationDate="2014-11-16T14:27:21.073" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6698" PostId="2750" Score="0" Text="Ultimately this is not discussion software; it is *not* a discussion forum. It's focused data, science and fact based Q&amp;A. You could change the name of 'comments' to 'elephants' and I don't think it would matter, for those users who are unwilling or unable to read the guidance." CreationDate="2014-11-17T09:00:35.613" UserId="2071" />
  <row Id="6699" PostId="2750" Score="2" Text="@JeffAtwood - I understand what you are saying, Jeff - I just disagree. I do think a different UI could make a difference, but clearly that's not my call to make. No matter - I'll make sure I don't contribute to our Comments Problem. I go back and delete my comments after a few days on a regular basis." CreationDate="2014-11-17T14:26:03.593" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12265" PostId="2750" Score="0" Text="Agree.  Occam's razor time.  The simplest explanation is the most likely, and the UI being unclear is the simplest. Any other explanation requires several assumptions about the end users." CreationDate="2017-04-17T12:56:47.960" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="6067" PostId="2751" Score="1" Text="I've been thinking about this for a long time, and I do think it is what's missing in the comments UI, better integration with chat. I've also thought it would be nice to let users in the chat room @ping users in the comments so it's easier for regular users to lead discussion-oriented comments to chat." CreationDate="2014-07-18T04:36:15.237" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6072" PostId="2751" Score="1" Text="Related: [Make it easier for moderators to move comment discussions to chat](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/93444/162102)." CreationDate="2014-07-18T19:53:43.207" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6014" PostId="2753" Score="11" Text="I agree, and I'm not above using a comment to do so.  If I want to amplify an answer, I obviously upvote.  But that doesn't explain why I'm voting or address other concerns.  Why on earth would we want to limit discussion by preventing and even deleting comments?  What's the point of a site like this if not communicating?  As long as there are also good answers - people aren't using comments to the exclusion of Answers - what is the problem?" CreationDate="2014-07-11T19:49:40.723" UserId="13421" />
  <row Id="6015" PostId="2753" Score="14" Text="Hopefully someone sees these before they're deleted by someone who disagrees." CreationDate="2014-07-11T19:50:07.400" UserId="13421" />
  <row Id="6017" PostId="2753" Score="1" Text="And workplace issues are often more complex than at other SO sites - and quite often the original Q as asked is not the substantive issue being faced - as anyone who has worked in HR/IR will tell you." CreationDate="2014-07-11T22:13:43.380" UserId="19290" />
  <row Id="6018" PostId="2753" Score="1" Text="Hey Jon, splendid analysis. Quick question, does the above include deleted comments? We have deleted a whole boatload over the past couple months (far more than in the past), and if those are being excluded it may be masking the problem. Additionally, they definitely are not evenly distributed, they tend to clump on certain posts more than others." CreationDate="2014-07-12T04:15:24.700" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6021" PostId="2753" Score="0" Text="@Mike, think of yourself as the average person coming in from Google. You are trying to update your resume and ask yourself, *&quot;[How Should I Indicate Language Proficiency on my Resume?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/10006/)&quot;* Does having a comment that says, *&quot;I, too, like this answer very much. To add a little more info, if you worked and lived in Japan for 5 years, stating this fact in the resume/cover letter will help you a lot when you apply for a job at a Japanese company in the US.&quot;* help me? The answer has 53 upvotes, would we be better off with 53 comments like that?" CreationDate="2014-07-12T05:01:30.430" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6023" PostId="2753" Score="1" Text="The system buries non-valued comments that don't get votes. If an answer is placed as a Comment, the solution would be to move it into an answer, not start censorship." CreationDate="2014-07-12T05:07:38.993" UserId="13421" />
  <row Id="6026" PostId="2753" Score="4" Text="@Mike, if you feel this strongly, then I encourage you (and other people who feel the same) to take the time to add valuable information from comments to existing or new answers. There are hundreds of comments each week, and only three moderators -- asking us to handle the burden of doing something that the people making the comments can do themselves will not scale as the site grows and will not solve the problem." CreationDate="2014-07-12T13:38:21.647" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6035" PostId="2753" Score="1" Text="@jmac: I've updated the chart to a) include deleted posts and comments and b) add a line for deleted comments. (These are in our internal data.) Comment deletion is tracked by the date of the post (not the date deleted), so it naturally follows the fluctuations in posts. Next week I'll look into charting distribution of comments to test that possibility." CreationDate="2014-07-13T19:42:13.593" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6039" PostId="2753" Score="0" Text="@jmac - That's a great reminder and I'll try to remember it with helpful questions in the future." CreationDate="2014-07-14T13:27:00.377" UserId="13421" />
  <row Id="6087" PostId="2753" Score="0" Text="Jon, could you get similar data for ratio of comments to posts but limited only to posts _having_ comments? I mean, like, if there are for example 99 posts without comments at all and one with 100 comments, saying &quot;average 1 comment per post&quot; wouldn't be very informative, I'd prefer a more detailed breakdown, like, using same example, &quot;1% posts has comments and posts having comments get 100 comments average&quot;, something like that" CreationDate="2014-07-21T02:51:01.527" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6096" PostId="2753" Score="1" Text="@gnat: Interestingly enough, my first try at the query did _just what you are asking_ (due to an error in my SQL). As I recall, it shifted the comments per post ratio upward (as expected) but didn't change any conclusions: The Workplace isn't particularly extreme and the problem is not getting worse. But let me dig that data up again." CreationDate="2014-07-21T16:06:26.553" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6146" PostId="2753" Score="1" Text="@gnat, I've added an answer to your query [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2780/7945). Please take a look. I am horrible about SQL, but I'll do my best to respond to any concerns that I can handle within my (limited) ability." CreationDate="2014-07-24T07:06:42.323" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6266" PostId="2753" Score="0" Text="Can you get the metrics of comments deleted per site?  Maybe a ratio of comments deleted per question." CreationDate="2014-08-06T20:42:29.130" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6034" PostId="2757" Score="14" Text="The interface told me to add a comment...." CreationDate="2014-07-13T18:25:45.673" UserId="14165" />
  <row Id="6044" PostId="2757" Score="2" Text="aroth, from the wording of your post, it seems like you are distinguishing between mods/SE staff, and the community. Why is that? Your use of 'you' implies that I (as a mod) have any more power to change the system than you (as a user), which simply isn't true. I also find it slightly worrying that you think the responsibility for managing these sites lies with someone other than the community -- as explained on our [about] -- *&quot;It's built and run **by you** as part of the Stack Exchange network of Q&amp;A sites.&quot;* The community is primarily responsible for content, that's why you can edit/close." CreationDate="2014-07-14T23:24:47.213" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6045" PostId="2757" Score="4" Text="@jmac - I'm just a user here.  Whatever explanation SE provides, I'm not empowered to actually change things.  I don't have access to the source code, I can't change The Workplace or any other SE site.  I don't know if that's something a mod can or cannot do, what exact powers a mod has, or how clear/blurry the line between 'mod' and 'SE staff' generally is.  I just know that somewhere out there are people who can actually make changes (or who can find those people and bring them in to the discussion).  That's who my 'you' refers to." CreationDate="2014-07-15T00:21:21.633" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="6047" PostId="2757" Score="1" Text="aroth, I'm just a user here too. [Mods are just regular users](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation/) -- we are all just users here. The question isn't whether the change can be made (it clearly can, just not by me), but rather whether it **should** be made. The concept of SE on the whole is that it is up to the *users* to moderate their own part of the SE network, because with millions of users, passing the buck to SE staff, or even moderators, just won't scale. Before worrying about the UI, understanding the concept of moderation may be better to cover first?" CreationDate="2014-07-15T01:56:06.020" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6055" PostId="2757" Score="6" Text="@jmac - I'm not sure what 'passing of the buck' you see here.  There is, in my opinion, a very real UX issue.  That's something most appropriately dealt with by the SE staff.  And something that I'm confident exists independently of whatever my perceived or actual level of understanding of the concept of moderation may be.  I'm somewhat taken aback that a moderator would imply that my commentary upon the UX issue is somehow invalid simply because they feel my understanding of a completely separate issue is deficient." CreationDate="2014-07-15T04:49:16.700" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="6061" PostId="2757" Score="2" Text="@aroth, the concept of SE, as written on our [about] page is *&quot;It's built and run by you&quot;*. While I agree that there *may* be merit to changing the word 'comment' to something like 'clarification', that does not absolve users of the responsibility to be aware of community guidelines and the rules of the place they are posting. That's why I'm saying you're passing the buck -- it sounds like you're saying that it is someone else's responsibility to improve the behavior of users, not the responsibility of the users themselves. Feel free to correct me if that isn't what you're saying." CreationDate="2014-07-17T02:39:35.323" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6066" PostId="2757" Score="8" Text="@jmac - I'm saying that the behavior of those users is being triggered by an expectation created by the UI.  The users aren't children, or malicious, or idiots.  The site is telling them to 'add comment', so they add comments.  That's not a behavioral problem.  But if you want to remove it, the first step is to stop inviting it.  It's all well and good to have rules and to assert that everyone should know and follow them; but that's not a realistic view on a public website.  And when the UI and the rule are at odds with each other, forget about it; people will follow the UI, not the rule." CreationDate="2014-07-18T03:14:24.193" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="6139" PostId="2757" Score="2" Text="@jmac Why shouldn't the community shaping the direction, scope and atmosphere of the site not extend to comments? I've seen no evidence that they're crowding out questions and answers, but I'll admit that I'm only an occasional reader. If your community has demonstrated a desire to comment a lot, what's the big deal? It seems very much like you're saying &quot;The site is built and run by you, except in this specific case where we're telling you exactly what you must do.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-07-23T11:59:36.923" UserId="13573" />
  <row Id="6140" PostId="2757" Score="2" Text="Though it may not sound like my comments are open for discussion, that isn't what I'm trying to say @Anthony. If you can convince me that comments help make us a better Q&amp;A site, then I will happily listen. As someone who has been dealing with the comments (as one of the mods the community selected to deal with them), I can tell you that from where I stand they take time away from the Q&amp;A to deal with cleaning up comments that add absolutely nothing to the quality of that Q&amp;A. Again, open to being convinced -- surprise me!" CreationDate="2014-07-23T12:35:21.443" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6337" PostId="2757" Score="2" Text="I agree that our comment UI is misleading. (Perhaps it would be better to call them &quot;annotations&quot;?) Please see my suggestion to [more aggressively hide comments](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2865/should-we-hide-comments-on-question-with-several-existing-answers)." CreationDate="2014-08-12T15:37:03.420" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6374" PostId="2757" Score="2" Text="@JonEricson - I Think that more than anything else could help move the culture from discussion to improvement." CreationDate="2014-08-14T21:02:55.990" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6375" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson - I agree, being more aggressive about when comments start automatically hiding is a reasonable solution, so long as it's coupled with a reduction in the active policing/deletion of comments.  Otherwise it won't do enough to solve the 'overworked and frustrated mod' side of the problem." CreationDate="2014-08-14T23:35:19.077" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="6693" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="Except the UI for comment entry says, when expanded, &quot;Use comments to ask for clarification or add more information. Avoid comments like '+1' or 'Thanks'.&quot; Do you really think changing the name of comments will help users who aren't reading the default explanation that appears every time they begin entering a comment?" CreationDate="2014-11-16T05:52:18.517" UserId="2071" />
  <row Id="6697" PostId="2757" Score="2" Text="@JeffAtwood - perhaps the expanded description for the &quot;add a comment&quot; link should say &quot;We don't really mean add a comment. We don't want comments. We have a comment problem. Instead, click here to ask for clarification, or add more information.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-11-16T14:33:14.900" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7535" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="@JeffAtwood I tend to think my comments &quot;add more information&quot;.  I expect other people think the same." CreationDate="2015-08-16T20:36:28.437" UserId="2361" />
  <row Id="19503" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="@JeffAtwood I think the problem is that the rest of the Web provides comments sections below content as a way to permanently discuss that content without rules (other than no spam, no vulgarity, etc.), and if I as a user see a comments section, then I'm going to use it that way.  It doesn't matter to me if the box says &quot;don't do XYZ&quot; where XYZ is something you normally do in a comments section.  I'm going to do XYZ.  As many have said, while SE loves rules, normal users don't care and won't follow them.  UX serves users, not the other way around." CreationDate="2019-05-13T20:44:02.043" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="19504" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="Also the prompt text in the comment box really doesn't preclude normal Internet style comments.  Unless the user is spamming, they are going to think &quot;what I'm saying is important, so I'm 'adding information'; good to go&quot;.  But it could say &quot;only make improvements&quot; and it wouldn't matter; you can't constrain the user with words.  And you'll run them off with excessive moderation.  Better to change the UX.  Use honey, not vinegar." CreationDate="2019-05-13T20:49:43.310" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="19522" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="@bob this is why new users can't even leave comments, that's a priv you have to earn. So the analogy breaks down. I agree that one should do what one can to make the UX clear, but also ignorance of the rules isn't an excuse." CreationDate="2019-05-20T03:43:01.697" UserId="2071" />
  <row Id="19524" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="I think this shows part of the problem: in matters of law, ignorance isn't an excuse, but SE isn't a matter of law (not saying that laws don't apply of course, but SE isn't a legal system), it's a public website used voluntarily by all.  The mindset that those who don't follow instructions are breaking &quot;the law&quot;, instead of the mindset that SE should suit and respond to its user base (not just those who &quot;follow the rules&quot;, but the many many prospective users who are driven away by the pervasive SE mindset) is the problem.  SE is great, but it can be much better.  It really needs to loosen up." CreationDate="2019-05-20T14:07:54.120" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="19526" PostId="2757" Score="0" Text="It would be interesting to see a root cause analysis on this problem: https://www.jamesshore.com/Agile-Book/root_cause_analysis.html" CreationDate="2019-05-20T15:38:42.273" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="6038" PostId="2758" Score="0" Text="Awesome.  Far better ideas than censorship." CreationDate="2014-07-14T12:36:38.183" UserId="13421" />
  <row Id="6068" PostId="2758" Score="1" Text="For #1, the link only shows up for individual users. I think there'd be better comment-to-chat conversions if the link appeared for everyone and remained there, just like a user had posted &quot;Join me in chat&quot;." CreationDate="2014-07-18T04:38:33.990" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6695" PostId="2758" Score="3" Text="Adding friction to longer comment chains is a great idea. For example on Hacker news they suppress the reply indicator if you've replied a few times in rapid succession." CreationDate="2014-11-16T05:55:27.477" UserId="2071" />
  <row Id="6048" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="I think I get the gist. However I will probably need do go through a few examples to understand &quot;subjective vs objective&quot;. For example, why would this questions: &quot;What qualities in a developer should be encouraged by Leadership in a Startup?&quot; http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/30597/what-qualities-in-a-developer-should-be-encouraged-by-leadership-in-a-starup be down-voted? (I think it definitely has concrete answers that have various studies associated. There may be slight differences in opinions on some points but overall it can generate a lot of facts and case studies/articles" CreationDate="2014-07-15T03:02:04.307" UserId="25076" />
  <row Id="6049" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="(contd) supporting those facts. Another meta-meta question, what is the proper way to discuss the reason why a certain question is downvoted?" CreationDate="2014-07-15T03:02:47.293" UserId="25076" />
  <row Id="6050" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="@AnatoliyZaslavskiy, downvotes are anonymous, and nobody has any requirement to explain them. Even if you were to ask, there is no guarantee of an answer (not even the mods know who downvoted). In this case though, it was downvoted because it is 100% asking folks, *&quot;Hey, what's your opinion?&quot;* Our site is not a discussion forum, it's a Q&amp;A site. We want questions that will help future visitors facing the same issue, like [How should I indicate language proficiency on my resume?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/10006/h) which has a straight answer." CreationDate="2014-07-15T03:10:06.197" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6051" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="@jmac is there a list of bad questions anywhere (for the Workplace space) explaining why they were &quot;bad questions&quot; and how (if at all) they could be rephrased to be &quot;good questions&quot;. I think that would be a lot more useful than showing good questions. To a new user (such as myself) it is fairly hard to distinguish the patterns between a good question and bad question with only examples of good. I also think it may discourage many new users from posting if they don't understand why their questions were downvoted/how they can improve phrasing." CreationDate="2014-07-15T03:31:37.497" UserId="25076" />
  <row Id="6052" PostId="2760" Score="2" Text="Monica has been kind enough to give several articles to read @Anatoliy, most of which have examples and act as the basis for what you will learn by hanging around and reading questions here for a while." CreationDate="2014-07-15T03:35:23.450" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6053" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="(cont) I think it would help the community a LOT if more time was spent explaining reasoning behind why a question is &quot;bad&quot; and coaching new users on how to improve their phrasing. Even though it takes more time in the beginning it may be worth doing to cultivate more members in the community. Think about it like training. You wouldn't just send a programmer out to write software then fire him because he doesn't follow your format? Instead you would train him in the company's coding standards and then correct code style errors during code reviews giving concrete suggestions on improvement." CreationDate="2014-07-15T03:36:09.793" UserId="25076" />
  <row Id="6054" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="@AnatoliyZaslavskiy the intention is that when a question is closed, the close reason given there explains why.  Granted that these are canned reasons, but closures do tend to fall into broad categories like that.  Searching for closed questions should provide a decent sample to work from.  Often people do leave comments too, explaining how a post can be improved.  This is something that has to come from the community at large; three moderators can't possibly analyze and write up responses for every single question -- too many!  I'm trying to help, not brush you off; hope I succeeded." CreationDate="2014-07-15T03:42:04.377" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6056" PostId="2760" Score="0" Text="@AnatoliyZaslavskiy Speaking as someone who downvoted the mentioned question, the question was also very broad. A better question might be along the lines of &quot;how do I encourage X behavior in employees&quot;, such as [How Can I Encourage a Culture of Punctuality in a Software Company](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/450/how-can-i-encourage-a-culture-of-punctuality-in-a-software-company) and [Ways to Encourage Employees to be Proactive](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/18675/ways-to-encourage-employees-to-be-proactive)" CreationDate="2014-07-15T17:59:59.517" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6071" PostId="2761" Score="0" Text="Done. I have deleted all my comments, other than the ones that the system locked." CreationDate="2014-07-18T18:36:29.153" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6130" PostId="2761" Score="0" Text="I just want to point out, I don't think comments are inherently bad, but oftentimes here they end up in long discussions rather than &quot;sticky notes&quot;" CreationDate="2014-07-22T15:05:20.793" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6063" PostId="2762" Score="0" Text="http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/7777/joe-strazzere?tab=activity" CreationDate="2014-07-17T19:43:54.080" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6064" PostId="2762" Score="0" Text="@enderland Thanks for the heads up, corrected the link to point to regular, not meta" CreationDate="2014-07-17T19:46:23.407" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6069" PostId="2762" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I'll use this to go back and delete all of my comments." CreationDate="2014-07-18T10:08:28.520" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6070" PostId="2762" Score="0" Text="It would be nicer if there were a one-click way to delete all of my comments." CreationDate="2014-07-18T11:35:57.483" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6141" PostId="2763" Score="2" Text="For reference, if you hover over the downvote button on a question it says, *&quot;This question does not show research effort; it is unclear or not useful&quot;* which users may, or may not, pay any attention to (many folks don't realize it)." CreationDate="2014-07-23T12:56:23.797" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6073" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="Should we add a homosexual tag too? I'm being serious, because any of these questions could have simply swapped transgender for homosexual." CreationDate="2014-07-19T01:31:51.670" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6074" PostId="2767" Score="1" Text="@Jim G perhaps they could have, but the posters asked about being transgender, not about being gay. Searching for any questions/answers with &quot;homosexual&quot; or &quot;homosexuality&quot; comes up blank. A few answers show up when searching for &quot;gay&quot;, but those questions are not about gay individuals in the workplace." CreationDate="2014-07-19T03:20:42.190" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6075" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="Hi Matt, I did a very brief search earlier, and I only saw 2 or 3 relevant questions. That to me seems like there isn't enough content to justify creating a new tag. This isn't to say one can't be created, but I'm not sure there would be much benefit above and beyond simply searching the term." CreationDate="2014-07-19T03:58:01.387" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6076" PostId="2767" Score="6" Text="If we were going to do this, to prevent having a ton of different tags, adding a generic 'sexuality' tag involving problems related to sexuality (transgender, transexual, gay, straight, asexual, etc.) may be better, and creating separate tags all synonymized to that tag (so that someone searching for 'trans' can select the proper tag). Do you think that there are significantly different issues faced by each group that would make this pointless?" CreationDate="2014-07-19T04:37:22.957" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6077" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="@jmac: Good idea." CreationDate="2014-07-19T12:22:11.307" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6078" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="@jmac I think a generic umbrella tag with synonyms for the specific terms would solve the grouping issue and as jmort253 pointed out, there is not enough content to justify the separate tags. I'm still newish to workplace.se, and don't want to step on any toes, so what is the best way to proceed here? Do we need a certain number of votes or views or some other indicator that we have agreement with the community at large?" CreationDate="2014-07-19T15:52:58.857" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6079" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="Matt, it only takes [300 reputation to create a new tag](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/create-tags), and you have enough to do so. 'Sexuality' sounds like a good way to cover these until there's more content to justify more narrow tags. If you want to tag these questions, I'd say go for it." CreationDate="2014-07-20T00:26:57.347" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6080" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: I added the sexuality tag to the questions. I don't have tag synonym privileges yet, so I'm not able to suggest the specific terms as synonyms" CreationDate="2014-07-20T05:22:32.860" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6082" PostId="2767" Score="8" Text="I really appreciate the effort to make tagging more useful here, but I think &quot;sexuality&quot; is the wrong tag. Gender identity/expression and sexuality are very different, and I think most trans folks would not expect to find answers to their questions under a &quot;sexuality&quot; tag. Maybe a &quot;gender&quot; tag as well/instead?" CreationDate="2014-07-20T12:45:50.853" UserId="22283" />
  <row Id="6083" PostId="2767" Score="1" Text="(For context, I posted one of the linked questions; having it tagged &quot;sexuality&quot; actually bothers me a bit. Not seriously enough to dispute the tag if the community finds it useful, but enough that if it were left up to me I would untag it.)" CreationDate="2014-07-20T12:47:37.073" UserId="22283" />
  <row Id="6085" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="@jmac I'd rather use wording &quot;gender-related&quot;, it feels closer to workplace topics than &quot;sexuality&quot;" CreationDate="2014-07-21T02:09:11.043" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6089" PostId="2767" Score="1" Text="Hey @Matt, could you suggest a name for the tag with an [edit] to your question? Looks like 'sexuality' was tossed out. Perhaps 'gender' or 'gender-related' as suggested by gnat above? Something that makes sense and makes you feel comfortable with it." CreationDate="2014-07-21T08:57:20.647" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6091" PostId="2767" Score="2" Text="Yeah, I just had my post edited by Matt, and while I understand they were trying to help, it feels really uncomfortable and not useful. I don't quite know what the answer is, but it's not 'sexuality'." CreationDate="2014-07-21T12:03:58.017" UserId="25113" />
  <row Id="6093" PostId="2767" Score="1" Text="I definitely was not trying to make the question askers uncomfortable here, my apologies to you Adrian and @raptortech97. What is the best way to fix this? Is there a &quot;rename&quot; button for tags that can change it en masse or should I go back and untag those questions until we have a better term picked out?" CreationDate="2014-07-21T13:32:45.847" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6095" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="I don't know in general, but for my question I've undone your edit. If we need to re-tag them later, we can just search for trans and transgender, which should get us all 3 posts." CreationDate="2014-07-21T16:04:00.197" UserId="25113" />
  <row Id="6113" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="@JimG. err no the isu of gender and sexual attraction is tricky" CreationDate="2014-07-22T09:44:15.723" UserId="19290" />
  <row Id="6124" PostId="2767" Score="2" Text="_When to let potential empoyers know I'm trans?_ : Why do you find that necessary?! Does not smell good at all IMO. Do women go around saying to people &quot;You, know I'm a woman&quot;? Make up your mind - if you're a woman, you're a woman, if not,then not. Sounds like you're trying to make some sort of political statement, which is not appropriate in a workplace." CreationDate="2014-07-22T11:47:22.070" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6126" PostId="2767" Score="6" Text="@Vector, whenever you change employment, there are all sorts of official documents required, things that list your 'official' gender. If that gender does not match the gender you identify with, then it is **definitely** something that needs to be broached with employers. Women do not have ID cards that say they are a man unless they are trans-, and *that* is why this is a unique problem that merits a tag. If you strongly (and rationally) believe this tag is unnecessary, please answer the question and explain why clearly so the community can evaluate your stance." CreationDate="2014-07-22T12:00:30.893" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6217" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="@Vector I think it's important at some point, if for no other reason than HR may want to be aware in case they want to review their materials and policies for increased sensitivity, and be prepared for potential incidents. If you were trans, would you want your employer to be completely unprepared when an incident arises?" CreationDate="2014-08-01T19:18:48.977" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="6218" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="@jmac - I was not addressing the question of the tag at all. It can be a tag or not - I have no particular stance on that. I'm just pointing out something that hit me in the question." CreationDate="2014-08-01T23:41:01.733" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6219" PostId="2767" Score="0" Text="@corsiKa - you are making an excellent point. Sh-t happens - good to be prepared." CreationDate="2014-08-01T23:41:32.347" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6094" PostId="2771" Score="2" Text="Why do you want to give the answer in two separate answers rather than introduce (and contrast) both answers in a single answer? I can think of very few times when two separate answers from the same person would be more useful than a single answer that compares the two solutions to give the asker a broader choice on how to proceed." CreationDate="2014-07-21T14:13:35.850" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6097" PostId="2771" Score="1" Text="If the two options are completely different but may solve the problem for perhaps a different group of people each in their own right then they are quite rightly different answers for that reason, comparing your own answers within the context of answer is a bit like saying &quot;well i think this fits but if not try this&quot;, and if I have 1 good idea and 1 bad idea  think those ideas should be judged separately." CreationDate="2014-07-21T16:46:57.193" UserId="22641" />
  <row Id="6099" PostId="2771" Score="1" Text="So how should each group know which answer is appropriate for them? If you put them in one answer, and explain, *&quot;If X, Y, Z then Option 1 is best. If A, B, C, then Option 2 is best. Option 1 is ... Option 2 is...&quot;* then anyone who reads the post will quickly be able to determine which is the appropriate option for them, and will be able to make that decision more quickly than two separate posts. However, if you just want to know why your second answer on said question was deleted, that has a much simpler answer (and it has only happened once)." CreationDate="2014-07-21T23:55:57.233" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6114" PostId="2771" Score="3" Text="I disagree, If 2 answers are presented as one then it is not clear which of the 2 options has value / is the better solution for the majority out there. This is especially applicable in those subjective scenarios. As a member of the community I want to see the question then the most relevant answer which would not be the case if the answer contained 2 options. It's up to the individual to determine what answer best fits their situation not the answerer of a question." CreationDate="2014-07-22T10:11:00.597" UserId="22641" />
  <row Id="6115" PostId="2771" Score="1" Text="Part of what makes a community like this great is the ability to have a general question that could fix multiple problems, this is also why there may be multiple valid answers to a question, given that each answer is essentially a declaration of a solution to a scenario within the context of that question. An answer should be a clear cut &quot;this is what you should do&quot; not vague try this, or this, or this as such answers to me are not helpful." CreationDate="2014-07-22T10:13:52.130" UserId="22641" />
  <row Id="6098" PostId="2773" Score="0" Text="Hmm.  I suspect the lock (automatically generated when the migration failed) is to blame.  For science, I could try removing the lock and seeing if the Roomba gets it." CreationDate="2014-07-21T20:08:11.963" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6109" PostId="2774" Score="2" Text="What if my question is just as simple as it was. I had a bad day at work, how can I deal with it next time I have it. Personally Joe's answer helped me a lot, but I guess some people rather have a site full of rules instead of some questions which are well recieved, but don't follow the rules completely. Also I'd like to note that you are the first person to actually give feedback on my question, none of those other 4 people stepped up, so thanks for actually giving feedback. But I do think that is a problem that should be adressed." CreationDate="2014-07-22T07:36:58.247" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="6110" PostId="2774" Score="0" Text="@Ajax, I'm sorry nobody else gave feedback, that never feels good. That's why I took the time to write out my comment and try to explain my reasoning. At the end of the day, it's always the decision of the community how to handle posts, they can both vote to close and to reopen, so some folks may be willing to do so for your question. Sometimes we are all less productive, but usually that's okay (there is slack in the schedule, you can make it up another day, etc.). That's why I was wondering if there were special circumstances that makes it a particular problem in your case. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2014-07-22T07:40:52.380" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6136" PostId="2774" Score="0" Text="Why is my question deleted?" CreationDate="2014-07-23T08:21:32.187" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="6137" PostId="2774" Score="0" Text="@Ajax, it was deleted by a Stack Exchange employee (not me or one of the workplace mods). Were you planning on editing it to try to get it reopened?" CreationDate="2014-07-23T08:26:31.293" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6138" PostId="2774" Score="0" Text="Yes I saw it was not you. I am curious why it was closed, as it had valuable information for me and I think for more people. Yes I was planning on editing it for the sake of the great answers given." CreationDate="2014-07-23T08:29:15.427" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="6142" PostId="2774" Score="1" Text="Normally questions aren't deleted that quickly, @Ajaxkevi - I was doing a bit of cleanup around here, and that one just came along for the ride. That said, you should generally assume that you have less than 2 days to make any necessary edits after a question is closed. I've undeleted the question, so please edit without delay." CreationDate="2014-07-23T14:18:12.233" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="6143" PostId="2774" Score="0" Text="Edited, I hope to recieve feedback and I think it is a better fit for the workplace now." CreationDate="2014-07-23T14:39:54.113" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="6101" PostId="2776" Score="1" Text="I took a [first pass](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/tags/gender/info) at it, but given my earlier stumbles in wording would appreciate any feedback." CreationDate="2014-07-22T01:22:37.327" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6102" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="Looks good to me @Matt! Thanks for the work in putting that together." CreationDate="2014-07-22T01:42:01.663" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6159" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="jmac, were you going to add the &quot;transgender&quot; tag synonym to gender? Some users are using a combination of gender + transition tags to indicate it http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/31300/inspirational-transgender-people-in-the-field-of-technology" CreationDate="2014-07-25T23:05:45.740" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6189" PostId="2776" Score="0" Text="@Matt, the synonym for transgender has been added. Trying to create a question with that tag will add 'gender' instead." CreationDate="2014-07-28T05:23:04.653" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6103" PostId="2777" Score="3" Text="The odds are pretty good that those votes will be reversed in a few hours." CreationDate="2014-07-22T03:11:58.510" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6111" PostId="2777" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - the reversals are getting reversed. Someone here is sick: 10 / -2 	6 mins ago 	2 events 	 How to get external feedback for improving one's programming style&#xA;-2 	17 mins ago 	downvote 	Is it appropriate to ask about a company's dress code during an interview?&#xA;-2 	18 mins ago" CreationDate="2014-07-22T07:59:58.783" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6119" PostId="2777" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - Serial downvoters are cowards and decidely unprofessional. They should be expunged from this site:state your case and suffer the consequences or just move on. Taking the coward's way out doesn't help anyone but the warped ego of a down-voter. Down-votes should come with greater penalty: Perhaps a percentage of your present score - that would give high rep members pause before engaging on a campaign of such behavior. They way it is now, one point, or even ten points, is insignificant to a member with a 10k rep, but quite significant to someone with a rep of 300 - simple math." CreationDate="2014-07-22T11:23:26.413" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6128" PostId="2777" Score="12" Text="Is your goal to ostracize yourself from everyone here? To come across as childish? Grow up." CreationDate="2014-07-22T12:23:22.777" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6129" PostId="2777" Score="14" Text="@Vector &quot;They should be expunged from this site&quot; -- and maybe ranters too?  I tried to help you and came on this morning to a pile of...something in response.  You are ascribing characteristics and motives without evidence, you are assuming that no downvote you receive is ever deserved (it must be the cowardly downvoter!), and you act as if being upset grants you license to lash out.  Your current behavior does not inspire people to be sympathetic, so if you're really trying to understand and address a problem, you might want to step away for a while and try again later." CreationDate="2014-07-22T12:51:47.413" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6131" PostId="2777" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - One of the funniest comments I've seen in a while..." CreationDate="2014-07-22T16:05:42.527" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6132" PostId="2777" Score="0" Text="@enderland - Yes, you've articulated my goals perfectly. Thanks." CreationDate="2014-07-22T16:06:31.767" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6133" PostId="2777" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - _you are assuming that no downvote you receive is ever deserved_ - yes, that's it! I get to down-vote everybody, nobody can down-vote me! BTW - _a pile of...something in response_ - where is exactly is the &quot;...&quot;? Care to specify? I delivered some criticism - do you consider all criticism to be &quot;...&quot;? &quot;Pot calling the kettle black&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-07-22T16:15:55.270" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6134" PostId="2777" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio -2 8 hours ago 2 events How to get external feedback for improving one's programming style/work habits&#xA;&#xA;-2 8 hours ago downvote Is it appropriate to ask about a company's dress code during an interview?&#xA;&#xA;-2 8 hours ago downvote What to do after being passed over for a promotion&#xA;&#xA;-2 1 hour ago downvote 'Thanks' for a raise? How to reply?&#xA;&#xA;_All in my imagination?_ Or are we are **BOTH** encouraging someone...." CreationDate="2014-07-22T16:29:26.153" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6135" PostId="2777" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio  _does not inspire people to be sympathetic_ - my goal in this question was not to  &quot;inspire people to be sympathetic&quot;. Note the title." CreationDate="2014-07-22T16:43:52.337" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6145" PostId="2777" Score="5" Text="You say *&quot;We're all adults here&quot;* in a comment to shog's answer below but all I can see from you in this question is a bunch of whining that wouldn't look out of place on the most emo corner of livejournal. You've been downvoted. Some of those votes are not deserved. I get it. We've *all* been there. It might suck but they're only make-believe internet points anyway, so move on." CreationDate="2014-07-23T21:08:51.613" UserId="300" />
  <row Id="6252" PostId="2777" Score="5" Text="It appears that the problem is that in general your answers are not that good...  Its nothing personal you got a few more downvotes from me as I looked at this. again nothing personal.  Only one of your answers was deserving of an upvote in my opinion.  Lots of them deserved a downvote.  More than I bothered to vote on." CreationDate="2014-08-06T16:32:21.763" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6104" PostId="2778" Score="0" Text="-1: I don't have a problem with &quot;constructive feedback&quot;. What I do have a problem with is getting flamed because I speak my mind. If someone &quot;offends&quot; I have the **right** to &quot;defend&quot;.  _Are you in the habit of engaging in long, argumentative discussions with folks who comment on your posts?_ I don't engage in &quot; long, argumentative discussions&quot; on this site. But I do **not** pull punches. I play clean but tough. &quot;We're all adults here&quot;." CreationDate="2014-07-22T05:49:58.483" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6106" PostId="2778" Score="0" Text="_if it's just gonna make you_ : **gonna** is not word I'm familiar with. Please explain - I thought this was an English language site...." CreationDate="2014-07-22T06:54:24.727" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6108" PostId="2778" Score="15" Text="gonna is slang for going to. The nice thing about being native or bilingual in a language is you know exactly what rules to break." CreationDate="2014-07-22T07:20:32.597" UserId="8408" />
  <row Id="6149" PostId="2779" Score="0" Text="Quote: &quot;Now I could provide two answers to this. ... and I think it is a better answer for it (disclaimer: I may be biased).&quot;  This is what I was trying to figure out but admittedly my example wasn't particularly good by comparison which didn't help. Explaining both sides of your view in 1 place was helpful but do you not feel that you presented your opinion rather than a choice for the OP?" CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:09:36.773" UserId="22641" />
  <row Id="6150" PostId="2779" Score="1" Text="I explained *why* and *how* to make a decision -- how the asker (and future visitors) use that info is up to them. The opinion is at the very end where I say in this corner case I'd just leave it be, but for anyone who comes across, reading that *should* give them a good idea of how they should go about making their own decision. What makes you think doing it that way was more presenting my opinion than if I split my opinion up in two different answers in this case @Wardy?" CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:16:46.163" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6151" PostId="2779" Score="0" Text="It was really a question rather than a statement, but given the subjective nature of the question in your example it seems that an opinion is what the OP was after so it made sense, but taking the approach in some situations comes across &quot;do this or this because it's what I would do&quot; rather than &quot;you could do this or this and here is how I would determine which to pick ...&quot;  Does that make sense? maybe i'm just over analysing the wording." CreationDate="2014-07-24T14:33:32.047" UserId="22641" />
  <row Id="6152" PostId="2779" Score="0" Text="congrats by the way @jmac http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2014/07/please-welcome-jmac-community-manager-of-the-rising-sun/" CreationDate="2014-07-24T15:18:01.980" UserId="22641" />
  <row Id="6153" PostId="2779" Score="0" Text="You're absolutely right that our site matter is a wee bit subjective at times @Wardy, and that writing style can definitely make stuff come across as personal opinion or personalized advice. That's definitely a separate issue I think from the multiple-answers one, and one that pops up no matter how you divvy up what you say. At any rate, thanks for asking about this, and I hope it's a bit more clear to you now." CreationDate="2014-07-24T15:21:19.587" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6154" PostId="2779" Score="1" Text="Yeh absolutely ... It was more of a curiosity thing than anything else, more so given that the only example I have is a pretty poor one compared some of the examples you have. It's good to get a second opinion on things like this and see what others think. It also helps me to think about how I might approach answering questions in the future to avoid having answers being deleted." CreationDate="2014-07-24T15:29:11.360" UserId="22641" />
  <row Id="6148" PostId="2780" Score="0" Text="I have added a portion for you @Joe, *&quot;Let's take that last one. There were 15 posts totalling roughly 29,000 characters (at 6 characters per word, that's roughly 5,000 words). There were additionally 191 comments totalling roughly 51,000 characters. That's roughly 8,500 words using the same math ... At an average reading speed of 250 words per minute, it would take 20 minutes to get through all the posts. To dig through the comments would be an additional 34 minutes.&quot;*" CreationDate="2014-07-24T13:51:00.540" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6156" PostId="2780" Score="1" Text="+1: Gosh. If every StackExchange moderator could put forth even 10% of your effort into their site, we'd be all set." CreationDate="2014-07-25T00:03:14.397" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6157" PostId="2780" Score="0" Text="Hey @Joe, I know that from your use you see me bringing up comments and thinking *&quot;these are absolutely not an issue to me at all and do not affect my enjoyment of the site&quot;*. I hear that, and I sympathize. You don't have to deal with them because they get flagged and sent directly to the mods who *do* have to read these comments to moderate them, and who *do* see them as a distraction (which is why I brought them up in the first place). I am not trying to say *&quot;no comments ever&quot;*, I am trying to make people aware that this is an issue for members in the community and the mods." CreationDate="2014-07-25T02:15:56.823" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6160" PostId="2780" Score="2" Text="@Joe, the team (which I guess I should count myself as a part of now) determines the proper amount of moderators based on the manpower required to properly manage the site. The issue is not only that it is a burden on the moderators though -- the [director of community development has already weighed in on this as a misuse of the comment system](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not) -- asking for more resources to deal with the misuse may not be the most effective way to solve the issue here." CreationDate="2014-07-26T13:37:04.783" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6162" PostId="2780" Score="1" Text="And it's not entirely about resources, it's that comments are kinda being used in a way that leads to [&quot;the forum problem&quot;](http://scobleizer.com/?p=5980). There's a very real danger that useful information gets drowned out by the noise." CreationDate="2014-07-26T19:02:53.840" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6182" PostId="2780" Score="0" Text="There's a misleading metric if ever I saw one.  Good politics, but not good science.  Since questions here are more subjective than on other sites, it follows that we also have more _posts per thread_ than other sites (if you want numbers:  TW=4.05, Sk=2.57, Ju=2.96).  Which will naturally result in a higher rate of _comments per thread_.  It's meaningless to discuss comments outside of the context of a post, because that's not where comments exist.  And any comparison against SO data is problematic at best with queries limited to 50,000 rows.  That's only a ~1 month window on SO." CreationDate="2014-07-28T01:51:53.287" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="6183" PostId="2780" Score="1" Text="*&quot;It's meaningless to discuss comments outside of the context of a post, because that's not where comments exist.&quot;* @aroth, when someone visits [workplace.se] to read a question, do you think they only pay attention to the comments on a single post, or every single post in the Q&amp;A combination? Yes, we have more answers per post, and that is *also* [a problem as identified by our community](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2287/). Posts do not exist in a vacuum, so I strongly disagree with the statement that a per-post basis is the only 'meaningful' way to look at the stats." CreationDate="2014-07-28T02:14:21.810" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6187" PostId="2780" Score="0" Text="_&quot; do you think they only pay attention to the comments on a single post&quot;_.  @jmac - Yes; a single post _at a time_, anyways.  That's exactly how I do it.  The posts are not combinatorial; most of the time when a question has mutliple answers it's because each one is different and each one stands on its own.  It's not useful to look at all the answers collectively, and since each comment is attached to (and presumably, _refers to_) a specific post, trying to view all the comments collectively is no more helpful.  I can't personally think of a case where that might be useful." CreationDate="2014-07-28T03:40:06.730" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="6179" PostId="2784" Score="3" Text="I'd say just retag the two hiring questions.  Once the tag is deleted for non-use, anybody typing &quot;hiring&quot; will be offered &quot;hiring-process&quot;.  I suspect the &quot;hiring&quot; tag was a typo." CreationDate="2014-07-27T04:19:51.977" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6195" PostId="2784" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio I just did that: [retagged 1](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/31164/revisions), [retagged 2](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/30777/revisions)" CreationDate="2014-07-29T14:50:51.057" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6196" PostId="2784" Score="0" Text="Thank you @gnat." CreationDate="2014-07-29T15:44:47.303" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6224" PostId="2785" Score="0" Text="well &quot;fired&quot; is a special case of termination for example for a Q about redundancy or layoffs a &quot;fired&quot; tag would be wrong." CreationDate="2014-08-04T16:42:28.860" UserId="19290" />
  <row Id="6198" PostId="2787" Score="2" Text="This one seems uncontroversial, and uk-&gt;united-kingdom already exists (so there's a precedent).  I've implemented this." CreationDate="2014-07-30T02:39:41.813" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6177" PostId="2792" Score="0" Text="I propose that we burninate the 'tech-industry' tag." CreationDate="2014-07-27T00:30:05.493" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6190" PostId="2792" Score="0" Text="For now Ian, if you can retag the ones that don't merit the tag, it will make cleanup easier later." CreationDate="2014-07-28T13:49:05.097" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6197" PostId="2792" Score="2" Text="I started retagging but I only did 4 today, I will do another 4 each day (not to overwhelm the review queue/front page). What should be done about retagging the closed questions?" CreationDate="2014-07-29T22:40:06.590" UserId="19839" />
  <row Id="6215" PostId="2792" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I retagged it because a) they said they were a software dev, b) they said: &quot;...or are companies who's primary product is not software&quot; indicating their concern that they might not be good for software dev and c) the questions indicates that they are looking for a technical job (likely in software) but beyond that it is unimportant to the question. By retagging the post to a more popular tag I am hoping to make it easier to find (its obvious to anyone who looks that there is the software-industry tag, but you have to go through pages to find tech-industry)." CreationDate="2014-07-31T13:23:31.663" UserId="19839" />
  <row Id="6220" PostId="2792" Score="0" Text="Do we really need a software industry tag in the first place? Is the industry providing critical information required to answer, or help categorize those questions?" CreationDate="2014-08-04T00:27:28.673" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6221" PostId="2792" Score="0" Text="@jmac I think we do, but the discussion probably deserves its own meta post." CreationDate="2014-08-04T00:57:26.040" UserId="19839" />
  <row Id="6237" PostId="2793" Score="0" Text="This has become its own question: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2828/" CreationDate="2014-08-05T21:33:10.913" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6164" PostId="2795" Score="2" Text="Maybe we could make this a synonym of [first-job](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/first-job) which seems to be more widely used (10 questions) than fresher's 2. On the other hand, the term &quot;fresher&quot; itself shows up in 18 questions, they are just not tagged appropriately" CreationDate="2014-07-26T21:41:02.440" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6167" PostId="2795" Score="1" Text="I thought about it, but just because it's you're fresh out of college doesn't mean its your first job..." CreationDate="2014-07-26T22:47:30.227" UserId="19839" />
  <row Id="6185" PostId="2795" Score="0" Text="This is a very common phrase outside the western world." CreationDate="2014-07-28T02:29:50.167" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6186" PostId="2795" Score="1" Text="@enderland I hadn't thought of that. I should have been more clear on my suggestion. I feel (partially because it is almost unused and partially because it seems like an obscure term) that it is unlikely to be used when people are just guessing what tags apply to their question. But I guess if that was the only reason to burninate a tag then there would be a lot less tags..." CreationDate="2014-07-28T02:45:58.760" UserId="19839" />
  <row Id="6163" PostId="2798" Score="4" Text="Basically, the missing component here is that comments aren't intended to actually answer questions or delve into extended discussions. I've covered that in more depth [here in this other post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2800/98). Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-07-26T19:51:52.290" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6178" PostId="2798" Score="3" Text="The community is still part of Stack Exchange.  It's not &quot;Joe's forum, discuss away&quot;; there are some reasonable norms we need to comply with.  If you want a discussion forum, try Yahoo Answers or Reddit or something like that." CreationDate="2014-07-27T04:14:40.523" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6192" PostId="2798" Score="1" Text="It's definitely not &quot;Joe's forum&quot;. ;-)" CreationDate="2014-07-28T19:49:37.560" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6161" PostId="2799" Score="1" Text="See https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/trusted-user" CreationDate="2014-07-26T14:44:06.760" UserId="9959" />
  <row Id="6216" PostId="2799" Score="0" Text="just add that in my case the 50% of the time I found the things I need in the comments, across the stack exchange network." CreationDate="2014-07-31T16:43:29.613" UserId="10772" />
  <row Id="6165" PostId="2800" Score="0" Text="I understand the scaling problem. You solve that by forking the forum when it gets out of hand. &quot;I won't have more than 20 students in an upper division class, we have to add a section&quot;, if I may quote myself. I didn't handle it by not allowing students to ask questions. Is there a mission or vision statement for the Workplace forum? Not your pedantic rules, but a clear statement of purpose." CreationDate="2014-07-26T22:19:17.283" UserId="25372" />
  <row Id="6166" PostId="2800" Score="9" Text="@System360 That's the key. Stack Exchange is *not* a forum. What applies to a forum doesn't necessarily apply here. I moderate both on a Stack Exchange site (productivity) and a forum (coderanch). It's a different experience and outlook." CreationDate="2014-07-26T22:27:21.520" UserId="1512" />
  <row Id="6169" PostId="2800" Score="0" Text="So, does that the elusive mission statement indicate that a question like &quot;Do I fire a guy that's had an affair with my wife&quot;, needs just a (possibly misguided) answer, or should a number of people encourage him, comment on his situation, and possibly criticize the answers? Forum was your guy's term, not mine. Our beloved English is loose enough that you can mean anything by that that you wish. I hold that discussions about semantics are like those of statistically probable timing paths; the last stage before total desperation." CreationDate="2014-07-26T23:26:05.207" UserId="25372" />
  <row Id="6171" PostId="2800" Score="8" Text="SE is a Q&amp;A site, @system360. We let the folks at Reddit, Quora, and other discussion platforms handle that type of content. Our site focuses on finding definitive answers to problems people face in the workplace, without the noise and chatter that oftentimes happens in forums. Think about the last time you googled a problem and found the answer buried on page 30 of some forum, 3/4 of the way down the page. On SE, we don't want people to dig, we want answers to bubble to the top and be free of clutter. Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2014-07-26T23:34:47.383" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6173" PostId="2800" Score="0" Text="I got her by Googling &quot;Release Letter&quot;. A contractor of mine, I guess in India, wanted one. I had no idea what was one. I found a half-dozen questions, a few answers that were little help, and found my answer in the comments. If you let other people handle that type of content why did not immediately flag the question? Does a new graduate that posts a question like &quot;I interviewed 6 weeks ago and they haven't gotten back to me, should I continue to search&quot; not need some care? If you want to talk the talk, walk the walk and prohibit needy people like those from posting those type of questions." CreationDate="2014-07-26T23:44:30.463" UserId="25372" />
  <row Id="6176" PostId="2800" Score="1" Text="My flight's loading. I'll get back to you when I get to Panama. Thanks for making the wait not boring." CreationDate="2014-07-27T00:08:18.780" UserId="25372" />
  <row Id="6180" PostId="2800" Score="4" Text="Answers can also be deleted if they're not an answer (that's a specific flag type), or if they're gibberish (very low quality)." CreationDate="2014-07-27T04:22:24.677" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6184" PostId="2800" Score="2" Text="http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/20945/2322" CreationDate="2014-07-28T02:23:30.600" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6202" PostId="2800" Score="1" Text="Also, users can delete their own answers..." CreationDate="2014-07-30T22:54:44.940" UserId="5769" />
  <row Id="6222" PostId="2800" Score="0" Text="As there are currently only 6 trusted users on The Workplace, it's somewhat unlikely that an answer would be deleted that way.  In general I think the most common use-case for an answer 'disappearing' without explanation is that its author deleted it for one reason or another." CreationDate="2014-08-04T02:49:00.020" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="6168" PostId="2801" Score="1" Text="No one did anything to your profile. Just showing you where to go to see users, the &quot;users&quot; tab. With that said, Stack Exchange's approach to comments has been one of &quot;less is more&quot; from the very beginning. I encourage you to check out the &quot;about&quot; page, as well as http://blog.stackexchange.com if you want to learn more." CreationDate="2014-07-26T23:21:06.297" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6172" PostId="2801" Score="5" Text="Perhaps you are confusing your Meta Workplace profile (the site for talking *about* Workplace SE) with Workplace SE, the main site about navigating the Workplace. Look for the &quot;main site&quot; link in your profile." CreationDate="2014-07-26T23:42:54.757" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6193" PostId="2801" Score="0" Text="&quot;I'd guess the root of the problem is perception. Most people understand the word &quot;comment&quot; to mean something other than what you'd have it mean.&quot; Agreed." CreationDate="2014-07-28T19:56:20.947" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6201" PostId="2804" Score="1" Text="Three deletion recommendations - http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/18369" CreationDate="2014-07-30T20:59:18.497" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6203" PostId="2807" Score="3" Text="Related: [Our comments problem](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2748/our-comments-problem), [What comments are not](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not), [Get a room -- a chat room](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2691/get-a-room-a-chat-room), [Provide a tool for moderators to move comments to chat](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/93444/provide-a-tool-for-moderators-to-migrate-comments-to-chat)" CreationDate="2014-07-31T05:51:58.873" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6204" PostId="2807" Score="4" Text="Short answer: (a) it is incredibly time-consuming to do manually, and there is no tool, (b) if you don't want the comments deleted, stick them in chat in the first place, (c) comments were never intended to be permanent, and any comments that have value should be edited in to an answer and/or question so the information isn't lost. That said, you can just as easily copy comments in to a chat room as a mod can, so if you truly care that much, knock yourself out -- nothing is stopping you." CreationDate="2014-07-31T05:54:06.753" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6205" PostId="2807" Score="1" Text="@jmac this is a feature-request. as in if there is no tool for this, there should be!" CreationDate="2014-07-31T06:13:26.853" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6206" PostId="2807" Score="0" Text="@user13107 - Ah, most of the questions have been about the reasoning behind this.  Would you mind editing this to make it more clear in the body that this is a feature request? Perhaps you might also expand with an idea of how this might work, if it is something you've put some thought into. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-07-31T06:20:16.143" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6207" PostId="2807" Score="0" Text="related: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/93444/provide-a-tool-for-moderators-to-migrate-comments-to-chat" CreationDate="2014-07-31T06:21:58.757" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6208" PostId="2807" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 added my idea." CreationDate="2014-07-31T06:25:22.207" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6209" PostId="2807" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 i am sorry you had to delete such a long answer!" CreationDate="2014-07-31T06:28:51.667" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6210" PostId="2807" Score="0" Text="One challenge is that useful info often ends up in comments, but buried so it's hard to find. This leaves the question of how do we ensure that useful stuff ends up in the answers themselves? (Ha, no worries. It wouldn't be the first. :) )" CreationDate="2014-07-31T06:29:28.567" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6211" PostId="2807" Score="0" Text="related: [Help us figure out a way to handle the explosion of comments on Stack Overflow](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/180325/165773) &quot;Often, the comments have useful information, but ultimately, the comments generate a lot of noise. Too much noise for [even the most dedicated of users to keep up with](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/81576/how-can-we-improve-commenting-on-the-stack-exchange-network?rq=1)...&quot;" CreationDate="2014-07-31T08:12:24.457" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6212" PostId="2807" Score="0" Text="@gnat I wish there was a chatbox besides the answer in the left empty margin." CreationDate="2014-07-31T08:23:50.650" UserId="4614" />
  <row Id="6213" PostId="2807" Score="1" Text="@user13107 I wouldn't mind having such box, either... provided that [answers prevail](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/180752/165773): 'Let's face it, comments fit the &quot;discussion forum&quot; culture, and that culture is widely popular, fun, appealing and frankly speaking, much easier to follow than answer oriented one. Give it a chance to leak through and it _will_ leak through, and it will compete and corrupt the answer oriented culture...'" CreationDate="2014-07-31T08:29:19.890" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6487" PostId="2813" Score="0" Text="Edit to: &quot;With your help, we're working together to build a library of comprehensive, actionable answers to questions about navigating issues encountered in the workplace.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-30T20:45:21.453" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6488" PostId="2813" Score="0" Text="Add: &quot;Make sure that your answer includes your rationale for your answer. The rationale includes supporting factors such as references, facts, life experience and logical reasoning. Our readers want to know not just your answer but how you arrived at it. We want our readers to be able to use the structure of your answer as a guide, and come up with an answer that is more in tune with their requirements and their priorities, if they weigh your factors and your priorities differently than you do. We don't want your answer to be just an answer - we want it to be a decision-making training tool&quot;." CreationDate="2014-08-30T20:48:44.943" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6223" PostId="2814" Score="1" Text="As explained in the [previous discussion](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2741/), we should create a separate 'How to Answer' page if required. If a separate discussion is created on meta to cover what should be covered there, it can be implemented by Stack Exchange employees." CreationDate="2014-08-04T04:29:46.433" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6475" PostId="2814" Score="2" Text="I respectfully propose to add the &quot;leadership&quot; line to the other three areas of on-topic questions. I don't think my wording is perfect, but here it is.  *Leadership in the workplace (motivating people, encouraging people, making decisions, holding hard conversations, intervening in unproductive situations,  asking for and giving help, etc.)*" CreationDate="2014-08-28T12:39:14.510" UserId="15811" />
  <row Id="6476" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the input @Ollie! Looks like a good addition to me, let's see what the community says. Hope you drop by meta more often -- it's you and the rest of the community that makes the site work, and meta is the best way to make the community's voice known! Thanks again." CreationDate="2014-08-28T12:40:59.337" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6477" PostId="2814" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the kind words, @jmac. I also added a bullet item to &quot;still not sure&quot; to help people turn rants into real questions. I did this because I think Workplace closes a lot of questions that are easily salvaged, and so discourages people who really do need help." CreationDate="2014-08-28T12:55:29.490" UserId="15811" />
  <row Id="6478" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="@OllieJones, you may be interested in [this post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2693/custom-off-topic-close-reasons-change) which is designed to give guidance on how to fix questions that get closed as rants, etc." CreationDate="2014-08-28T12:56:48.857" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6479" PostId="2814" Score="2" Text="Indeed, That's good material in that post you mentioned. I'm advocating for increasing the visibility of some suggestions about derantifying posts. I'm also advocating for writing those suggestions in a way that helps angry and frustrated people to move from ranting to problem-solving.  It's possible this is the wrong place for that." CreationDate="2014-08-28T13:04:37.687" UserId="15811" />
  <row Id="6480" PostId="2814" Score="1" Text="@OllieJones, I think brevity is generally better, as most people don't read long things (not saying that your comment makes it long). Currently the more detailed help is linked through on the off-topic section. Perhaps instead you could consider linking to the [help] for closed-questions to let people know that if a question is off-topic, it can still be edited and reopened, so don't be afraid to make a mistake, just be ready to make an effort to correct your post with the help of the community." CreationDate="2014-08-28T13:07:49.157" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6482" PostId="2814" Score="1" Text="@OllieJones great edit, the &quot;still not sure&quot; part might go better in the section above it though? I think that content definitely needs to be in the FAQ though, we get a looooot of questions here missing that part :)" CreationDate="2014-08-28T15:42:58.327" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6489" PostId="2814" Score="0" Text="Edit to &quot;are you asking a question whose format is likely to get you an actionable answer?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-30T20:57:01.730" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6225" PostId="2815" Score="1" Text="My thoughts - http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1627/2322" CreationDate="2014-08-04T18:47:35.323" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6229" PostId="2815" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [FAQ proposal: Back It Up and Don't Repeat Others](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/255/faq-proposal-back-it-up-and-dont-repeat-others)" CreationDate="2014-08-04T21:31:54.457" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6232" PostId="2815" Score="1" Text="Answers based on experiences should be okay, as long as they're (a) objective, and (b) don't make unnecessary assumptions about the asker's problem. You might consider clarifying this with an example or more details about the type of answer you're referring to. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-08-05T02:48:24.603" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6227" PostId="2816" Score="8" Text="@Shog9 = No we had him first you cant have him!  Congrats jmac unless this comment cost you the job then oops." CreationDate="2014-08-04T20:27:05.903" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6231" PostId="2816" Score="3" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame, thanks! There's a blog post -- if that isn't a legally binding contract, I just don't know what is. Whoever gets the mod position on TWP gets to haggle with Shog over our return policy if they do decide to get rid of me. Just be sure to point out that we do not warrant against latent defects!" CreationDate="2014-08-05T00:42:27.443" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6238" PostId="2826" Score="1" Text="This is really really important -- a lot of stuff the community can handle, but some things are left to the moderators since normal users have no tools to handle them." CreationDate="2014-08-06T00:16:46.517" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6234" PostId="2828" Score="3" Text="This is absolutely tremendous, and I hope [our new moderator candidates](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/election/) will weigh in on it! While I am, of course, here to serve the community as always, this is really something that the community will need to lead with the support of the moderators first. Again, this is really well thought-out and well-written, thank you for that Ian!" CreationDate="2014-08-05T12:35:48.347" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6280" PostId="2828" Score="1" Text="This is the fourth most popular tag on the site, and - as you note - there's a good reason for that. I *really* think y'all need to figure out what problem this tag is attempting to address and come up with a better solution for *that* before y'all get all gung-ho about the relatively mundane task of *removing it*. [The previous discussion here on meta](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/574/industry-specific-tags-and-localisation) suggests that job *types* would be an appropriate form of classifying certain questions, but I don't really see that happening much - think about it." CreationDate="2014-08-08T17:58:18.043" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="6235" PostId="2831" Score="5" Text="lesson learned: abstain of answering of close- and delete-worthy questions. Regarding checks, do you have &quot;show deleted posts&quot; checkbox set in your profile page?" CreationDate="2014-08-05T19:02:02.907" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6236" PostId="2831" Score="0" Text="[more about &quot;show removed posts&quot; feature](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/155999/show-removed-posts-in-reputation-history-by-default)" CreationDate="2014-08-05T19:10:19.437" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6253" PostId="2833" Score="0" Text="Is there a way of phrasing this in a more neutral tone instead of heavily implying that users should answer &quot;Yes&quot;? Personally I don't like it when moderators unilaterally close popular questions, as the community has obviously seen fit to leave them open for a reason. I would much rather see the question brought up on meta to see how it can be edited to become acceptable. (Also, the example question doesn't strike me as a &quot;popular&quot; one, nor does it seem like one that is beyond salvaging with a good edit. Which is now not possible since it got closed, locked, and kicked back to another site)" CreationDate="2014-08-06T16:40:15.103" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="6254" PostId="2833" Score="1" Text="@Rachel if the answer is &quot;no&quot; then there should be reasons why the answer is &quot;no.&quot; I don't intend this question to be easy, I intend it to get very deliberately at the question of whether or not candidates are willing to enforce the site rules/policies as stated even if this is against &quot;popular opinion.&quot; Moderation isn't" CreationDate="2014-08-06T17:09:16.137" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6278" PostId="2835" Score="1" Text="First off, someone needs to write a really good justification for why y'all *don't want or need* this tag or others like it. Then you do any preliminary cleanup that's needed (closing / editing / deleting questions so-tagged). Then I make it so the tag never existed. Then I blacklist it with a link to your post explaining why the problem you think is special to the software industry isn't and you should feel bad for thinking it was. Then anyone trying to re-create the tag gets a link to your post and feels bad and doesn't use it." CreationDate="2014-08-08T17:52:19.230" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="6319" PostId="2835" Score="1" Text="Maybe start a CW post to sort the questions into two buckets: one for questions where the tag *is* appropriate, and one for those where it's *not*?  That decouples the review from the retagging, so people can help with the former regardless of privs.  If it turns out that there are relatively few questions in one of those buckets, we might be able to do a bulk operation to implement (and then just clean up those few).  But until we know what we're dealing with, can't say for sure." CreationDate="2014-08-12T02:38:47.080" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6244" PostId="2836" Score="0" Text="Oh, good idea - adding to this post for the new election.  I will try to add my own answer before nominations close (but, fair warning,  probably not until Sunday)." CreationDate="2014-08-06T14:26:31.353" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6256" PostId="2837" Score="3" Text="Its understandable to be annoyed, however most downvoting-sprees are the result of one individual, and  not the community as a whole. As phrased, your post reads as a rant aimed at the community as a whole, and will likely get downvoted and/or closed." CreationDate="2014-08-06T17:44:55.017" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="6257" PostId="2837" Score="0" Text="@Rachel  - since the downvoter(s)? choose to _disappear within the crowd_  and are permitted to do so, IMO **we** is appropriate. It doesn't necessarily mean everyone in the community, but members who have chosen to hide themselves within the community and cannot be identified otherwise." CreationDate="2014-08-06T18:11:12.180" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6258" PostId="2839" Score="3" Text="It should be noted that it was the original poster that declined both your edits, and in most cases regarding minor edits such as this the OP is allowed to keep his/her question the way they want providing it is within the site's guidelines. If you feel offended with the language used in the question, please feel free to leave a polite comment and it will get upvotes if others agree, however if the wording is not meant to be offensive and no one else sees a problem with it, then it's left to the OP if they want to edit their post or not." CreationDate="2014-08-06T18:25:25.720" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="6259" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - they were far more than minor edits qualitatively. In the end I also left a polite but quite articulate comment, which one of mods felt duty bound to remove. This is inappropriate." CreationDate="2014-08-06T18:46:12.697" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6260" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="And someone else downvotes this question also. Is this entire subject **taboo**?" CreationDate="2014-08-06T18:47:38.573" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6261" PostId="2839" Score="5" Text="I can't speak for anyone else, however I felt like the [edits](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/18631) [suggested](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/18632) were pretty minor, and may have actually made the question less clear." CreationDate="2014-08-06T18:53:05.400" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="6262" PostId="2839" Score="2" Text="In addition, the edit comment you included with the edits might have been perceived the wrong way by the OP, especially if you had already downvoted and left a comment using similar terms on their question, and they explained their reason for rejecting your edit suggestion as well: *&quot;Transphobia and sexism are real problems. It is not a &quot;rant&quot; to use specific, applicable, descriptive language&quot;*" CreationDate="2014-08-06T18:53:34.327" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="6264" PostId="2839" Score="6" Text="Caveat - I was tempted to upvote this question just reading the title...  then I read the question.  So you editorialized and showed political bias in a non constructive comment.  Now you are whining because that comment was deleted and you are blaming it on political bias and censorship...  I recommend you consider Reddit for your future posting needs.  They seem more your speed and maturity level." CreationDate="2014-08-06T20:37:36.547" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6265" PostId="2839" Score="5" Text="This question appears to be off-topic because it is just sour grapes not an actual question" CreationDate="2014-08-06T20:41:06.263" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6272" PostId="2839" Score="5" Text="&quot;Not everyone who doesn't want to deal with TG's can or should be characterized using such loaded terminlogy.&quot;  I **completely** disagree, doubly so in a workplace context.  There's no legitimate reason whatsoever for an employer to care if an employee is transgendered, gay, or anything else.  The people and employers who do _deserve_ to be called out and ostracized for it." CreationDate="2014-08-07T03:39:46.287" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="6290" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@aroth - **I completely and utterly disagree**. (Am I right now?)" CreationDate="2014-08-10T09:37:31.563" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6291" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame - no I removed political bias. My edits made the post neutral. I guess to you, neutral means whatever you agree with and biased means whatever you don't agree with..." CreationDate="2014-08-10T09:39:44.057" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6292" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@Rachel:   [**Transphobia**](http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/transphobia) : _Intense dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people_ . What proof do you have that those people mentioned who don't wish to hire TG's are motivated by &quot;intense dislike and prejudice&quot;? **NONE.** It is a pejorative term." CreationDate="2014-08-10T09:43:52.437" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6294" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame - I am **really tired** of people who find certain subjects taboo and therefore dismiss discussion regarding them as &quot;sour grapes&quot;. Perhaps you're the one whose &quot;grapes&quot; are &quot;soured&quot;?" CreationDate="2014-08-10T10:16:14.647" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6300" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@Rachel - _may have actually made the question less clear_ : Please explain how those edits made the question less clear? The question asked about resources for the subject of bias in TG hiring and how to avoid it. My edits in no way made that question any less clear - they simply removed pejorative and provocative language that was entirely irrelevant to the question itself, but constituted what bordered on a rant on the part of the OP." CreationDate="2014-08-10T10:58:26.463" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6301" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@aroth - _deserve to be called out and ostracized for it_ - so you advocate the Joe McCarthy policy for handling this? Blacklisting? How about the pillory, or an old fashioned lynching, since we're going &quot;old school&quot; here? I thought we were more **tolerant** these days? Or does that only include tolerating views that you yourself subscribe to...?" CreationDate="2014-08-10T11:18:47.013" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6303" PostId="2839" Score="0" Text="@moderators : Note - **do not accuse me of being &quot;not nice&quot; here.** Take care to note that I have simply responded to comments in the manner in which they were expressed. If my responses are &quot;not nice&quot;, neither are those comments. Am I expected to accept absurd and insulting comments simply because they pass your muster of &quot;political correctness&quot;? A great person once said &quot;&quot;I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it&quot;. Take that lesson and run with it." CreationDate="2014-08-10T11:28:07.513" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6311" PostId="2839" Score="2" Text="@Vector I read the question as *&quot;How can I find out if a company has a problematic culture with regards to sexism and transphobia&quot;*, as opposed to your edits which to me made it sound like *&quot;How can I find out if a company has any problems with me being a transgender&quot;*, or with *&quot;gender related problems&quot;*. To me, those are slightly different questions and personally I prefer the original version of the question. The words &quot;sexism&quot; and &quot;transphobia&quot; are meant to describe negative traits, not people. They are very real issues in the world, and I see no problem using such words in this context." CreationDate="2014-08-10T19:51:37.610" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="6312" PostId="2839" Score="2" Text="@Vector - I advocate being intolerant of prejudice, bigotry, and intolerance.  In my view 'tolerance' applies to those things that a person cannot choose; their race, age, gender, sexual orientation, etc..  You can't fault a person for those things, because they had no say in the matter.  However, &quot;not wanting to deal with TG's (or women, or hispanics, or whatever)&quot; is a _choice_, one that's invariably based upon invalid and spurious reasons.  I don't believe people are entitled to make foolish choices and then hide under the umbrella of 'tolerance' to escape criticism and consequences." CreationDate="2014-08-10T23:57:55.183" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="6293" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="The question about finding a workaround for serial downvoting was not a duplicate." CreationDate="2014-08-10T09:49:10.037" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6296" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="_take care to be nice_ : The post I edited was &quot;not nice&quot; - the language it used was pejorative - gratuitous and judgmental with no supporting evidence. I simply explained that such was the case. If the post is &quot;nice&quot;, so were my comments." CreationDate="2014-08-10T10:21:24.507" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6299" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="Your categorization of my comments as &quot;not nice&quot; while accepting the post itself as &quot;nice&quot; reflects a serious bias on your part as moderator - hardly appropriate." CreationDate="2014-08-10T10:56:12.820" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6313" PostId="2840" Score="0" Text="This is an answer to anyone with the same issue in the future @Vector. Comments that do not fit the guidelines, and/or comments that are not nice will be removed. That goes for everyone and is not intended as a specific jab toward you." CreationDate="2014-08-11T00:01:07.307" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6267" PostId="2841" Score="1" Text="Questions about a contract should be referred to an attorney who specializes in employment law. Valid legal advice cannot be obtained here, for a large number of reasons." CreationDate="2014-08-07T02:44:31.490" UserId="3176" />
  <row Id="6268" PostId="2841" Score="0" Text="@alroc - not asking legal advice. just trying to know if my former employer is trying to trick me possibly or for sure." CreationDate="2014-08-07T02:45:49.017" UserDisplayName="user25987" />
  <row Id="6269" PostId="2841" Score="2" Text="An attorney would still be the most appropriate person to answer such a question. What seems &quot;tricky&quot; to me might be perfectly acceptable in your jurisdiction." CreationDate="2014-08-07T02:54:18.950" UserId="3176" />
  <row Id="6270" PostId="2841" Score="1" Text="Hi Japanese Crow, this is unfortunately unanswerable without a considerable amount of information and knowledge of employment law and confidentiality agreements. In addition this is going to be very specific to your contract and jurisdiction. As a result, since you are essentially asking for interpretation of your specific law/contract it's not really within the scope defined in the [Help Center](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic)." CreationDate="2014-08-07T03:13:06.117" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6271" PostId="2841" Score="1" Text="Your employer can't trick you if you refuse to answer their questions.  If they want to build a case against you, let them do that without your help." CreationDate="2014-08-07T03:33:13.367" UserId="1717" />
  <row Id="6275" PostId="2849" Score="0" Text="Is there any &quot;blacklist reason&quot; or somesuch that pops up when users try to use it? If they are more aware of why we got rid of it, I would imagine they would be less likely to create baby hydras" CreationDate="2014-08-08T05:52:16.300" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6276" PostId="2849" Score="1" Text="@Matt, if you burninate or blacklist a tag, it can no longer be used or recreated in the future. Not quite sure of what the actual message is, but can check if you'd like." CreationDate="2014-08-08T06:04:18.607" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6277" PostId="2849" Score="1" Text="Just checked with the 'job' tag and the message is *The tag 'job' is not allowed*. However it looks like the burninate detection is looking for an exact match as it didn't flag &quot;jobs&quot; as too close." CreationDate="2014-08-08T13:26:29.683" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6279" PostId="2849" Score="1" Text="Just to clarify this: **burnination** is the mass-removal of a tag, either by members of the community or someone like me. If I do it, it'll be as though the tag never existed - there'll be no edits indicating that it was removed. **Blacklisting** prevents posts or edits from being submitted with a given tag, and is used to prevent a tag from coming *back* after it's been burninated." CreationDate="2014-08-08T17:54:12.120" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="6282" PostId="2851" Score="0" Text="I'd like to better understand your perspective (as I often agree with your posts).  Could you link to a few questions where this tag acts as a useful filter but the question is not so generic that there would be an industry-wide catch-all answer?  Thanks!" CreationDate="2014-08-08T19:18:07.033" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6283" PostId="2851" Score="1" Text="I'll see if I can hunt some down for you @Monica. The first thoughts that come to mind are questions related to giving/taking code tests, resume layout questions specific to the tech industry like how to list technologies or side projects, or how to stay current with a rapidly evolving industry. I'm sure some of these questions could apply to other professions as well, however knowing they are specifically for the software-industry allows us to write industry-specific answers that have context as opposed to generic answers that are designed to try and accommodate every possible scenario." CreationDate="2014-08-08T19:42:45.467" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="6284" PostId="2851" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I had to add the examples to the answer itself as the links made it too long to fit into a comment. Hope I picked good links... was trying to find ones that wouldn't detract from the main question and answer here :)" CreationDate="2014-08-08T19:57:50.587" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="6285" PostId="2851" Score="0" Text="Rachel, thanks for the additional info.  Yes, I can see your point now.  Would you agree that the software-industry tag should be applied narrowly -- to questions that are *particularly* about that, but not to questions that could be for any industry but happened to be asked about a software setting?" CreationDate="2014-08-08T20:51:19.570" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6286" PostId="2851" Score="0" Text="While looking for example questions, I did see quite a few where the tag was probably not needed and could easily be removed. However I also didn't see any harm in leaving the tag there as a way of providing context to the question and answers, and for categorizing the post for those that are specifically interested in following the software-industry tag. Also in many cases, it's often the answerers that would know if the question is general enough that the tag is not needed, not the asker, so I don't see any reasonable way of enforcing the tag to be applied narrowly without excessive editing." CreationDate="2014-08-08T21:02:56.543" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="6287" PostId="2852" Score="0" Text="it doesn't feel fair that question gives only two (likely strongest) candidates to shine. Consider extending it to cover all candidates, to give everyone their fair chance" CreationDate="2014-08-09T13:00:38.920" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6288" PostId="2852" Score="4" Text="Hi Jim, my suggestion would be to ask these questions in the [election chat room](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/16203/workplace-2014-election-number-2) and then edit this one so that it's more generalized and something *all* the candidates can answer. Otherwise, this won't get selected as one of the 10 questions for the candidates to answer since it doesn't fit the format." CreationDate="2014-08-10T02:32:57.060" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6306" PostId="2852" Score="2" Text="To answer your question because it is directed at me, I am not going to pretend like I will be as active on the site as @enderland but I feel I take a balance between preserving and promoting good content and encouraging community participation which I am concerned is missing in the stronger candidate.  I have experience in this with Programmers." CreationDate="2014-08-10T13:43:30.953" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="6307" PostId="2852" Score="1" Text="@maple_shaft: Thanks! Good answer!" CreationDate="2014-08-10T13:44:09.540" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6305" PostId="2854" Score="4" Text="I edited this to remove the commentary, which is unnecessary and inflammatory." CreationDate="2014-08-10T12:43:27.760" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6309" PostId="2854" Score="2" Text="@enderland - there is nothing in that question that was &quot;unnecessary and inflammatory&quot;. I called attention to a **specific problem** in order to focus on the issue, and since said moderator has shown bias, it was necessary to warn about recusal, because those who are biased tend to meddle. If my rejected edit changed the meaning of the question &quot;What are tools/resources I can use to check a company for ** and ** during a job search?&quot; as alleged, your edit has changed the meaning of my question **far more**. Your edit is heavy handed and invasive." CreationDate="2014-08-10T19:07:44.783" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6310" PostId="2854" Score="0" Text="I recall reading somewhere that you can request that a specific moderator not handle your flags... however in your specific cause I don't think the moderator is biased against you. It seems like your points of view are merely different from the moderator, and not shared by the OP or most members of the community, so the preference is to let the OP leave their post the way it is." CreationDate="2014-08-10T19:37:25.560" UserId="316" />
  <row Id="6314" PostId="2854" Score="4" Text="@Vector my edit changed the question to be one which is on topic for a meta site. If you insist on having it be a rant against a current moderator it is very likely the post will be deleted by the community" CreationDate="2014-08-11T01:24:29.727" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6297" PostId="2855" Score="0" Text="_Your meta post shouldn't even mention the name of the moderator acting, just the post and the facts_ : This was unnecessary. It is clear from my question that I was quite careful NOT to mention any names. Obviously I am aware of this issue." CreationDate="2014-08-10T10:24:39.943" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6304" PostId="2855" Score="9" Text="@Vector - remember, this answer is not just for you, but for the benefit of others who might be having similar problems. While you may already have known to avoid naming names, others may benefit from that suggestion." CreationDate="2014-08-10T12:22:42.953" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6373" PostId="2855" Score="1" Text="Dont bring them to meta of the site though, that will get you suspended...  Do it on Meta.stackexchange.com" CreationDate="2014-08-14T20:52:53.927" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9689" PostId="2855" Score="0" Text="@Chad words of wisdom that are still true 2 years later." CreationDate="2016-08-05T00:17:56.573" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="6308" PostId="2856" Score="3" Text="It's been lonely in there so far :)" CreationDate="2014-08-10T15:25:08.940" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6328" PostId="2856" Score="1" Text="@enderland: Did you see my question? I think people need help deciding between you and maple_shaft." CreationDate="2014-08-12T12:06:15.717" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6315" PostId="2860" Score="1" Text="consider the difference between sites: TeX has a natural barrier to entry, requiring a certain level of technical competence, this _organically_ protects it from getting too much &quot;noisy&quot; answers. FWIW Code Golf seems to have even higher barriers and they can afford really relaxed attitude. At Workplace, there's nothing like that, everyone believes they're qualified to answer - barrier to entry is as low as it gets. If this isn't balanced, site will degrade into [&quot;self-help group for commiserating&quot;](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2013/10/podcast-53-lets-go-rio/)" CreationDate="2014-08-11T20:54:35.130" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6316" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="@gnat I don't think that downvoting mediocre answers is a way to balance high noise. Downvotes won't give the valuable feedback, most likely the people will quit and not improve their posts. Speaking of commiserating: it seems to be yet another problem -- are you sure that downvotes provide a treatment for such posts? It's the amount of high quality traffic that makes the site good, if you have enough of it, the low quality traffic is not an issue, if you don't have enough of it, aggressive reduction of the low quality traffic won't make it better." CreationDate="2014-08-11T21:07:35.870" UserId="6133" />
  <row Id="6317" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="no problem, suggest a different way. Think of how _Back It Up and Don't Repeat Others_ rules can be enforced (for comparison, at Code Golf that would be as easy as it gets - code that doesn't compile or fails the test certainly breaks Back It Up)" CreationDate="2014-08-11T21:11:50.400" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6318" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="@gnat Don't repeat others -- what about a comment like: _Well, your ideas seem to be covered by the JohnDoe's answer._ Of course, with no upvoting. Maybe try to encourage people to delete their answers if they're found duplicated? Yes, you can community-delete them as low quality, but then you lack the realization of the OP that something wrong may have happened. As for Backing up: I dunno, I really dunno. But I know that a comment like _this answers seems to lack any reference_ is a good thing anyways, and I don't believe that `-5` score is a further improvement." CreationDate="2014-08-11T21:19:02.770" UserId="6133" />
  <row Id="6321" PostId="2860" Score="3" Text="Hi @tohecz, the only problem with this suggestion is that voting is what we use to push great content to the top of the page and not-so-good content to the bottom. Without down votes, the community cannot push the lower quality stuff downwards. On a site dedicated to being a resource of knowledge, this is a critical toolset at our disposal." CreationDate="2014-08-12T03:22:06.090" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6325" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 Well, once you have multiple answers, the most common scenario is that they differ by a good amount of votes even if no downvotes are present. So do you really need them to distinguish good and mediocre answers? I don't think so." CreationDate="2014-08-12T07:49:09.250" UserId="6133" />
  <row Id="6332" PostId="2860" Score="1" Text="okay, comment, then what? remember it's not TeX nor Code Golf where readers have technical, _objective_ measures to detect (and ignore) unworthy answers. Imagine someone answering to a question about some complicated workplace issue [&quot;Just Quit&quot;](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1692/168) - answer like that has a great chance to collect a couple upvotes because, because _oh it feels so commiserating, so supportive_. What chances does your comment have to change mind of the answerer who just has got a nice chunk of reputation - clearly indicating that their way of answering is welcome?" CreationDate="2014-08-12T13:51:07.760" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6333" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="@gnat Sorry, but do you consider such answers as mediocre?" CreationDate="2014-08-12T13:52:14.930" UserId="6133" />
  <row Id="6334" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="@tohecz definitely. It doesn't take much effort to answer &quot;just quit&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-12T14:22:18.457" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6335" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="@gnat Sorry, I wasn't clear, I meant, isn't &quot;just quit&quot; a bad answer in most cases? If it's not the case when the answerer clearly explains that it is a considerable option, such answer is definitely bad, not mediocre. So maybe we have quite a different sense of good-mediocre-bad, and this causes the misunderstanding?" CreationDate="2014-08-12T14:32:16.393" UserId="6133" />
  <row Id="6336" PostId="2860" Score="0" Text="it depends on how one serves it. Just put enough [hand-waving](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hand_waving) to obscure the just-quit and answer starts looking like mediocre. Her, again, consider difference with technical sites. At Code Golf, readers can easily get to the primary substance (code) and objectively evaluate it. At Workplace, there's nothing like that" CreationDate="2014-08-12T14:50:58.770" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6320" PostId="2862" Score="2" Text="Thanks for your answers.  The issues raised in several of the questions can apply to both questions and answers.  It's pretty clear what your approach is with questions (close early, close often); what about answers?  Or are they not as important?" CreationDate="2014-08-12T03:00:28.853" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6342" PostId="2862" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio An excellent point, and I have edited my responses to mention specifically how I would handle answers. At a very high level, I would prefer to focus on getting question quality up, as good questions tend to prompt good answers. Community voting and multiple answers on each question also seems to provide a better check on answer quality, as users can look to higher-voted answers to see examples of how to they can write better answers." CreationDate="2014-08-12T17:13:53.940" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6322" PostId="2863" Score="0" Text="Just an FYI, making a meta post to change the comment UI is no sure thing, and in the meantime I can say that we have decidedly more comments than most other sites. The comments are definitely not limited to poor questions (and in fact are worst on highly up voted ones). Given that, how will you handle comments given that they get lots of flags, and lots of users angry when you delete comments in response to flags, and this is something only mods can do?" CreationDate="2014-08-12T04:15:17.423" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6329" PostId="2863" Score="2" Text="I fully support closing early, but I was over at the game design stackexchange and they actually seem to be suffering that issue - [people are complaining](http://meta.gamedev.stackexchange.com/q/1692/44252) that the mods are [closing questions too quickly](http://meta.gamedev.stackexchange.com/q/542/44252). I could see that questions from 1 rep users were frequently closed within 5 min of asking with no other clarification. If you were to gain insta-close (rather than vote to close) powers how are you going to strike the balance of closing quickly and closing too quickly/aggressively?" CreationDate="2014-08-12T12:12:32.860" UserId="19839" />
  <row Id="6357" PostId="2863" Score="1" Text="See [here](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/17102558#17102558) for an answer to this." CreationDate="2014-08-12T21:09:39.990" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6368" PostId="2863" Score="2" Text="+1: `I will act pretty similar to how I act currently, the exception being I will be much more cautious in casting delete votes (as they would become binding) and close votes on more &quot;middle ground&quot; questions.`" CreationDate="2014-08-13T11:57:29.100" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6323" PostId="2864" Score="0" Text="Are you able to try a different browser?" CreationDate="2014-08-12T07:13:37.467" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6324" PostId="2864" Score="1" Text="Just tried with the default phone browser and it worked." CreationDate="2014-08-12T07:28:27.703" UserId="17512" />
  <row Id="6326" PostId="2864" Score="0" Text="I have the same problem on a Moto G using Chrome, which is the default browser. I just assumed it was a feature not a bug.." CreationDate="2014-08-12T11:31:00.933" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6327" PostId="2864" Score="0" Text="Works fine on Mobile Chrome on my iPhone 5! Do you let Chrome update itself?" CreationDate="2014-08-12T12:04:01.960" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6330" PostId="2864" Score="0" Text="Always, it's up to date at the moment, I checked." CreationDate="2014-08-12T12:40:12.693" UserId="17512" />
  <row Id="6331" PostId="2864" Score="1" Text="@enderland have a dig through the apps, it might be buried but Android has another browser that ships before the manufacturers install anything on it. AFAIK they can't remove it so it should be on your phone somewhere." CreationDate="2014-08-12T12:41:31.823" UserId="17512" />
  <row Id="6338" PostId="2865" Score="3" Text="This sounds very promising, thanks!  And I did a big happy dance when I saw your last paragraph; I've been wanting that for a while.  (Any chance of per-site thresholds?  Do we have to wait for 20 comments on all sites?)" CreationDate="2014-08-12T16:14:24.290" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6339" PostId="2865" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio: That's a very real possibility. Comment threads can get &quot;too chatty&quot; way before there are 20 of them. I think the first step will be to see how the feature is used in fairly obvious cases before expanding it. We're also crafting some guidance for moderators before rolling it out everywhere." CreationDate="2014-08-12T16:19:39.697" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6340" PostId="2865" Score="2" Text="Guidance for moderators will be important; I recognize (from the MSE post) that some consider this a little dangerous.  I asked about a per-site threshold because even if you decide not to vary it, you'll need to have the hook in the code to *enable* it and that's probably easier to add when writing the code in the first place.  (Another good trigger, though way more work so I'll understand if it's infeasible, would be based on comment *velocity* -- a post that gets 10 comments in the first hour is probably pretty different from one that gets 20 comments in three days.)" CreationDate="2014-08-12T16:31:39.000" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6344" PostId="2865" Score="3" Text="@Matt Giltaji: The design is to grant all commenters who lack the necessary reputation specific permission to participate in the new chat room. In this way, everyone involved should be able to follow and continue the conversation in chat. (Please let us know if you see any problems when the feature finally gets used.)" CreationDate="2014-08-12T17:33:57.473" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6347" PostId="2865" Score="2" Text="Does SE keep historical information for hotlist questions? I think it'd be interesting to see what the comment/post ratio is if you remove these questions. Most of the other, more &quot;chatty&quot; sites seem to have considerably fewer questions in the hot list. My anecdotal evidence is nearly all hot list questions end up with tons of comments, which may skew these numbers." CreationDate="2014-08-12T18:01:09.143" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6349" PostId="2865" Score="2" Text="You might want to post a separate question about that, @enderland - for now, I'll just say that the majority of comments posted here do not come from drive-by users." CreationDate="2014-08-12T18:14:19.020" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="6351" PostId="2865" Score="2" Text="@Shog9 I trust you - I was just curious if it was a factor" CreationDate="2014-08-12T18:36:42.140" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6358" PostId="2865" Score="1" Text="Will this be turned on here on Workplace Meta as well?  Not sure if we'd want that feature enabled on meta, so I thought I'd ask..." CreationDate="2014-08-13T00:52:04.213" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6359" PostId="2865" Score="1" Text="What happens if all of the comments are up voted? Will it still hide the lower scored comments? Thank you!" CreationDate="2014-08-13T00:58:23.387" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6361" PostId="2865" Score="3" Text="@jmort253: I don't think it's a good idea on meta. Only the top 5 (or 15 on meta) are shown no matter how many answers there are. So if all comments (or, rather, 5 or more) on a post are upvoted, this won't change anything. (But hopefully, in that case, all the comments are useful and interesting.)" CreationDate="2014-08-13T01:53:26.650" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6364" PostId="2865" Score="1" Text="@JonEricson, my thoughts exactly on the meta question. Thanks for clarifying on the votes question." CreationDate="2014-08-13T04:01:09.160" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6341" PostId="2866" Score="5" Text="I agree with all of those points. But I would phrase the final one as &quot;If the core problem is comments distracting readers from the content of answers...&quot; The main problem for me is that the comments often lead me down a rabbit hole that makes me forget the post they are attached to. I can still jump down it if many of the comments are hidden, but there's a door to open first." CreationDate="2014-08-12T16:36:44.613" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6346" PostId="2866" Score="4" Text="Yeah, I really agree with this, I think the core UX is the problem. The UX more or less drives people to post comments. Hiding them doesn't resolve this problem." CreationDate="2014-08-12T17:46:03.060" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6360" PostId="2866" Score="1" Text="There is more than one core problem. One is the signal to noise ratio for readers, one is the cleanup burden for mods, and one is determining community reasons for being so chatty to keep the good from that content while reducing the bad. This targets the first and second issues." CreationDate="2014-08-13T01:12:44.910" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6363" PostId="2866" Score="0" Text="Assuming it makes fewer people comment @Joe, then yes." CreationDate="2014-08-13T03:55:51.177" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6369" PostId="2866" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere an interesting idea would be to instead of making the limit 3 simply auto-create a chat room and migrate comments whenever there are more than 5 comments on a question/answer. Auto generate a link to the chat room and then prevent future comments on any post with one of these chats created?" CreationDate="2014-08-13T13:31:57.227" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6370" PostId="2866" Score="0" Text="As I explained @Joe, there are 3 different goals. If limiting comments were the only goal we could just turn them off, but then we would lose the clarification and signaling benefits." CreationDate="2014-08-13T13:39:02.120" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6366" PostId="2869" Score="1" Text="+1: `I personally believe any moderator who closes out questions prematurely is failing to do thier job well.`" CreationDate="2014-08-13T11:54:21.520" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6367" PostId="2869" Score="0" Text="-2: `I prefer to discuss it with the individual via e-mail.`: This doesn't scale." CreationDate="2014-08-13T11:55:18.887" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6371" PostId="2869" Score="0" Text="Jim G: It scales if there is one person who is having concerns. If there are more than one, discussing the issue in the comments before holding appears to be the accepted method of handling issues here." CreationDate="2014-08-13T16:35:41.897" UserId="25306" />
  <row Id="6372" PostId="2869" Score="3" Text="Hey Mike, check out [A Theory of Moderation](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation/) if you haven't already. Basically, unless an issue is of an extreme *serious* nature, almost everything should be discussed *publicly* so that the thousands of other visitors viewing the post learn the site norms. When we leave helpful comments, the goal isn't just to help the asker (or people with *visible* concerns) but also anyone who might be lurking and is also thinking of posting. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-08-14T00:34:55.570" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6376" PostId="2869" Score="4" Text="Mike, you have 6 revisions, all this month. You don't need to be a mod to help keep questions open or to help OPs improve them. None of your answers seem to explain how being a mod would help the site with things you cannot do as a normal user. What can you do to improve the site as a mod that you can't do now?" CreationDate="2014-08-15T02:21:40.870" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6378" PostId="2876" Score="2" Text="Congratulations, @enderland. Looking forward to working with you to keep making The Workplace SE awesome! :)" CreationDate="2014-08-20T01:54:42.397" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6380" PostId="2876" Score="1" Text="Congratulations!" CreationDate="2014-08-20T10:41:37.157" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6382" PostId="2876" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere thanks for being a great contributor here! I sure find myself upvoting a lot of your answers... :)" CreationDate="2014-08-21T03:24:52.153" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6383" PostId="2876" Score="0" Text="Congratulations @enderland" CreationDate="2014-08-21T07:52:21.507" UserId="16477" />
  <row Id="6389" PostId="2876" Score="0" Text="Congrats enderland!" CreationDate="2014-08-23T21:52:09.360" UserId="18768" />
  <row Id="6379" PostId="2877" Score="2" Text="Thanks! It's fun for me to see new faces get involved here too, so definitely keep up the good work. The Workplace has been a lot of fun and beneficial both personally and professionally for me for quite some time now :)" CreationDate="2014-08-20T02:47:13.907" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6384" PostId="2879" Score="1" Text="it's likely your edit was auto-rejected by grace period editing made by someone else: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/153403/add-a-reject-reason-when-the-community-user-rejects-an-edit" CreationDate="2014-08-22T08:25:38.743" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6385" PostId="2879" Score="1" Text="@gnat Thanks! I tried again, and now it is &quot;pending review&quot;." CreationDate="2014-08-22T08:38:30.267" UserId="22228" />
  <row Id="6386" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="for the reference, link to the rejected edit is: **[http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/20238](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/20238)**" CreationDate="2014-08-22T13:41:57.643" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6388" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="Shog said [issue is fixed](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/153403/add-a-reject-reason-when-the-community-user-rejects-an-edit/238413?noredirect=1#comment781529_238413). I tested - this is indeed so, [more recent rejected edit](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/20277) now shows &quot;Conflicted with a subsequent edit&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-22T21:35:29.850" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6483" PostId="2879" Score="0" Text="Community is a cold, heartless monster that flags and tags and all kinds of other -ags inappropriately. But we love it anyway. But seriously, if I had a dollar for every time I cleaned up a flag Community issued when it didn't need to, I could ... well I couldn't retire, but I could take my wife out to a nice dinner and maybe a movie too." CreationDate="2014-08-29T17:52:30.057" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="6390" PostId="2881" Score="0" Text="Hi Vietnhi, it might help if you can cite some examples of where you think this term is used incorrectly, as well as proposing a viable substitute. If you don't want to link to specific posts, you could simply quote a sentence or two. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-08-24T00:39:57.977" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6391" PostId="2881" Score="0" Text="Thanks for clarifying. Would it still look out of place if the question was &quot;What is a professional way to keep in touch with a manager?&quot;.  Just so it's clear, what do you feel is incorrect about the use of the term &quot;professional&quot;?  As an aside, I think your proposed edit would actually make it more clear what the asker is asking... as the existing title doesn't make it clear who the subject is." CreationDate="2014-08-24T00:58:40.197" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6392" PostId="2881" Score="0" Text="&quot;How do I stay in touch with a manager?&quot; would convey the same connotation. Because the context is clearly keeping in touch in a purely professional capacity. The manager in this case is very interested in the OP as a potential employee and could use knowing about the OP's progress toward finishing his degree on schedule and that the OP may be doing on-campus interviews. The manager is most likely not interested in how the OP's pet rock is doing :)" CreationDate="2014-08-24T01:20:23.277" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6393" PostId="2881" Score="2" Text="Hmm, I have to think about this some but I'm having a hard time finding any reason to disagree with this. Most questions asking &quot;is it professional to...&quot; are not good fits for the site anyways." CreationDate="2014-08-24T02:41:19.130" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6436" PostId="2881" Score="0" Text="How do I stay in touch is easy.  How do I do so in a way that is professional rather than personal is not.  I am not surprised you have difficulty understanding the difference.  Being a professional is as much about how you compose yourself while doing your job as it is about the work you do." CreationDate="2014-08-26T15:56:59.947" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6490" PostId="2881" Score="0" Text="Hey Vietnhi, if you think it's overused, what do you think we can do to solve this? What is the alternative? It is really easy to find things that aren't right, and we do appreciate you pointing that out, but you are far more likely to get the support/backing of the community if you can explain not only what the issue is, but what you think is a good way to fix it." CreationDate="2014-08-31T16:08:07.890" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6394" PostId="2882" Score="1" Text="when &quot;professional&quot; in title acts as [meta tag](http://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/meta-tags/info), it's better to edit it out. If such an edit makes title too vague, it should be clarified from question text. Example: 1) meta-tag: [&quot;What is a _professional_ way to stay in touch?&quot;](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/32778/168) -&gt; 2) too vague after cleanup: &quot;What is a way to stay in touch?&quot; -&gt; 3) clarified from question text: &quot;How to stay in touch _after finishing under graduate work placement_?&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-24T06:47:19.197" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6395" PostId="2882" Score="2" Text="The thing is, @gnat, it's not a tag in this case, it's an adjective used to identify the methodology the asker would like to use to stay in touch. Adjectives add more descriptive context to a subject; hence, adjectives can be valuable. With that said, the discussion of whether or not professional|ism is a meta tag is interesting, but I suspect that could be its own Meta Workplace question, as that's different than &quot;Are we using the term 'professionalism' correctly&quot;." CreationDate="2014-08-24T06:53:34.703" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6396" PostId="2882" Score="0" Text="I want to add that I like your last version of the proposed edit on that title. The more specific version does give more context. As long as we're not removing &quot;professionalism&quot; in titles simply for the sake of removing it, I support title edits that increase the clarity of a question." CreationDate="2014-08-24T06:56:39.183" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6397" PostId="2882" Score="0" Text="you certainly have a point wrt adjective, however its use in this case still sounds much of a [tag](http://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/tags/info) for me - to _categorize_ that question is not about personal relationship / friendship. And, no matter if we interpret it as tag or adjective, since Workplace is limited to _professional_ context, this word in both cases sounds superfluous doesn't it?" CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:00:45.567" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6398" PostId="2882" Score="1" Text="@gnat, If I think of something tagged &quot;workplace&quot;, I can say that would definitely shout obvious meta tag. With professionalism, I can see how it *could* be a meta tag. I feel like the first step would be to nail down exactly what we mean on Workplace SE when we say &quot;professionalism&quot;. Depending on what definition we as a community agree on, it may or may not be a meta tag. I believe it warrants further discussion. Thank you both for bringing these issues up. Tagging and editing are both important components of what keeps our content looking sharp and organized." CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:07:52.333" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6399" PostId="2882" Score="0" Text="For reference, there are [724 questions currently tagged &quot;professionalism&quot;](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/professionalism). This also shows the current tag wiki description." CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:13:15.690" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6400" PostId="2882" Score="0" Text="@gnat, actually, the two issues might be related and worth keeping on this thread. After reading that tag wiki description for &quot;professionalism&quot; it could very well be a meta tag. You should consider posting a more in-depth answer, with the goal of more clearly outlining your thought-process on this issue for others who may not 100% understand how to identify a meta tag." CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:17:15.770" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6401" PostId="2882" Score="1" Text="FWIW we have a discussion about this tag already: [Avoid and remove the “professionalism” tag](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/227/168) (I plan to post there)" CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:22:07.967" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6402" PostId="2882" Score="1" Text="1. I'll point out that a US Marine would be very business-like and conscientious about obliterating the opposition while not necessarily courteous about it. I am pretty aggressive and merciless when it comes to getting things done and I swear like a sailor when I am working through something that should work, must work and does not work, so the word &quot;business-like&quot; covers a range of behaviors that are anything but corteous :); 3. This is a professionals' site and everything we do is infused with professionalism anyway, so the word &quot;professionalism&quot; is almost redundant;" CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:23:08.240" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6403" PostId="2882" Score="2" Text="I definitely agree it goes beyond just courteous, @VietnhiPhuvanmail, and professionalism can certainly exclude niceness. The biggest problem I see is the breadth in the definitions of the term. It doesn't necessarily mean the same thing in every context. I suspect if we look through those 724 questions, we may find that there's actually 2 or 3 better tags than professionalism. A good counterargument to keeping the professionalism tag exactly as is might be to a) find out what those better tags are, and b) clarify that tag wiki definition so we get more people on the same page." CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:32:35.950" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6404" PostId="2882" Score="0" Text="4. I define &quot;professionalism&quot; as an attitude and ability to do the job and stay on the job despite some very adverse circumstances. As an example, I'll refer to the professionalism of the German Army in 1944-1945, which held together despite the brutal beatings it was getting on both East and West fronts and counter-attacked us the first chance in got at the Battle of the Bulge in Dec 1944, and held on despite the fact that it was stuck with leadership of a megalomaniacal and incompetent Hitler during the entire WWII;" CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:34:56.170" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6405" PostId="2882" Score="1" Text="Another interesting thing to note is that we made the [etiquette tag](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/etiquette) a synonym of professionalism. So at some point the questions from the two tags were merged." CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:35:49.577" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6406" PostId="2882" Score="2" Text="5. Another example of professionalism is a surgical team losing its patients despite its best efforts - It knows it's losing the patient but it still goes down fighting for the patient, throwing everything it's got into the fight. And you know what? Fighting just as hard for the next patient, even though it just lost this patient." CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:35:55.590" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6407" PostId="2882" Score="0" Text="This is why I don't like to see the word &quot;professionalism&quot; being trivialized in the context of the Workplace to the extent that the word &quot;nice&quot; is being trivialized in everyday conversation. When it's used in just just about every circumstance, a powerful word loses its meaning and impact." CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:38:57.863" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6408" PostId="2882" Score="1" Text="It's almost like those types of questions would better be served by a tag &quot;courteousness&quot; or &quot;manners&quot;. &quot;behavior&quot; might be too broad, considering &quot;professionalism&quot; is a series of behaviors. Maybe renaming professionalism to etiquette would be better." CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:42:34.200" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6409" PostId="2882" Score="0" Text="6. Another example of professionalism is you setting your feelings aside and working together with someone you have every reason to dislike intensely to get a job done. The courteousness, the business-like attitude has nothing to do with it. It's getting the job done as that matters to you. I once advised a nurse who contrasted the way I treated her to the way some patients were pushing her to the limits of her patience: &quot;Plaster the biggest fake smile you can on your face and get them on their feet ASAP. Because the sooner they are on their feet, the faster they are out of your life.&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-24T07:52:18.240" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6410" PostId="2882" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 wrt retagging to etiquette, worth noting this was also discussed: [Etiquette and Professionalism](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2053/168). :) Time to shake the dust off from these older questions now that our understanding has improved?" CreationDate="2014-08-24T08:10:40.147" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6503" PostId="2882" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 its redundant one would not stay in touch in an unprofessional manner or 99.99% of other uses of professional tag." CreationDate="2014-09-03T16:27:12.780" UserId="19290" />
  <row Id="6411" PostId="2883" Score="1" Text="well relieving letter questions are generally [officially on-topic](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2595/168 &quot;as stated here&quot;). On the other hand, there was an attempt for canonical dupe-target which was hoped to cover most annoying repetitions of this theme: [What is a relieving letter? What are the consequences of not having one?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/20945/168) Maybe we need to expand this canon to cover some more..." CreationDate="2014-08-24T15:45:23.443" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6412" PostId="2883" Score="0" Text="I got that they are on-topic, I only wondered if some fraction of the 8 or so of them were dups of some others. Obviously, I can't VTC here." CreationDate="2014-08-24T15:48:38.033" UserDisplayName="user13659" />
  <row Id="6413" PostId="2883" Score="0" Text="with rep over 15 [you can flag](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/flag-posts) to close, and this will work almost as good... give or take a risk of occasional decline if it happens that both 1) your dupe-guess is wrong and 2) it happens to get through to moderator before close voters resolve it into painless [disputed](http://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/disputed-flags/info) :)" CreationDate="2014-08-24T15:52:04.903" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6414" PostId="2883" Score="1" Text="Since you brought this to meta, you could also edit this post and include some of the worst of the worst duplicates. That will get them more attention and direct the higher rep users to those examples." CreationDate="2014-08-24T18:01:28.567" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6415" PostId="2883" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 that would be definitely [safer](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/204311/165773 &quot;to let meta effect do work for you&quot;). But flags wise, this reminded me that closes from under 3K contributed to large extent to two marshal badges I've got (one at MSE went almost without declines at all, another one, here, had pretty low rate of declines)" CreationDate="2014-08-24T19:50:08.360" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6416" PostId="2883" Score="1" Text="@gnat, the meta effect is a great tool lower rep users can use to draw attention to trouble spots. I think of this as voting via proxy. With your knowledge and experience with the meta effect, I think you could write a great [faq-style post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/faq) on how community members can use that to their advantage in terms of helping to keep the site clean and on-topic." CreationDate="2014-08-24T20:18:32.960" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6417" PostId="2883" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 [already drafted it at MSO](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/268115/839601) &quot;most powerful moderation tool is given at really modest rep 5...&quot; :)" CreationDate="2014-08-24T20:21:24.087" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6419" PostId="2886" Score="4" Text="Thanks, Monica. I hope you were smiling when you wrote that, you've surely read about 100 posts by me on meta.stackoverflow making the same point about not getting hung up on one vote or comment. I wrote this question to check my understanding of how you work here, and you told me what I needed to know." CreationDate="2014-08-25T00:25:57.720" UserDisplayName="user13659" />
  <row Id="6421" PostId="2887" Score="0" Text="An edit is coming." CreationDate="2014-08-25T01:26:38.800" UserDisplayName="user13659" />
  <row Id="6422" PostId="2887" Score="0" Text="Right. We are looking for actionable answers. Even if the action recommended is &quot;take no action&quot; or &quot;here are your options or the factors you need to consider: go over them before you decide to act&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-25T23:18:37.900" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6437" PostId="2889" Score="1" Text="Yes the OP likely came here looking for validation that he was being asked to do something unreasonable.  The other thing to remember is this site is not primarily for the OP it is for the people who come after.  Even if the OP does not choose your answer, currently 12 others have said it is a quality answer." CreationDate="2014-08-26T16:03:19.837" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6450" PostId="2891" Score="2" Text="First round of questions for community review: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2898/325" CreationDate="2014-08-27T01:27:56.137" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6492" PostId="2891" Score="1" Text="Second round: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2906/325" CreationDate="2014-09-01T20:43:52.253" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6545" PostId="2891" Score="0" Text="Third round: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2922/325" CreationDate="2014-09-10T00:39:28.373" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6625" PostId="2891" Score="0" Text="related: [On Stack Exchange, how do I motivate users to prioritize the needs of the community over personal gain?](http://moderators.stackexchange.com/q/541/516)" CreationDate="2014-09-18T19:26:48.780" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6664" PostId="2891" Score="1" Text="For further rounds, see the [meta-tag:broken-windows-review] tag." CreationDate="2014-10-20T21:07:24.523" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6440" PostId="2892" Score="0" Text="...or we can close our eyes, downvote this answer into oblivion and pretend that everything is okay and it's [all our fault](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/220099/165773), pretend that it's because &quot;site is full of crappy questions&quot;" CreationDate="2014-08-26T16:17:16.997" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6441" PostId="2892" Score="3" Text="You make some good points to mention why this will not work, but what alternative do you propose? I agree with what you are saying, but my downvote is because I don't find this post useful as it doesn't suggest that we do anything other roll over and let it happen." CreationDate="2014-08-26T16:21:11.317" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6443" PostId="2892" Score="0" Text="@MattGiltaji see the very first link in my answer, at &quot;questions with multiple close votes&quot;: **[At smaller sites, penalize hot questions having 3-4 close votes](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/237391/165773)**. As a site regular I am doing my best to lower the garbage level (900+ close votes, 4K+ downvotes, 900+ flags) but without fixing this large broken window it's all in vain. It simply incentivises users to post answers in bad questions and... guess what, I can't blame them" CreationDate="2014-08-26T16:24:30.183" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6444" PostId="2892" Score="0" Text="@MattGiltaji ...and I know full well that just-do-more-of-the-same won't help. At Programmers, I have more than enough of the same (15K+ close votes, 30K+ downvotes, 7K+ flags) and guess what? this doesn't help, see the screen shot. When system is designed to promote trash, individual efforts fail" CreationDate="2014-08-26T16:33:17.957" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6521" PostId="2892" Score="1" Text="What percentage of our problem questions are the result of hot lists?  Its not that high.  This is the 10% of the problem at most.  It creates big broken windows for sure but this by it self is just going to leave the 90% broken.  I am not saying your solution is bad, but its not a solution we can implement here. If this was the 90% or even 33% of the problem then I would agree this answer belongs here.  But as it stands this belongs on meta.se.  The problem is real and signifigant and if we can conquer the other 90% then this would take the forefront." CreationDate="2014-09-07T03:22:39.803" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6718" PostId="2892" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame 33% or more very well may be. Of 40 questions reviewed so far [in rounds #1 through #4](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/broken-windows-review), at least 7 (maybe 23 more) were hot. &quot;Extra&quot; 23 account for deleted questions, having over 10K you can check these yourself. Here's a breakdown by rounds: round #1 total 10 hot 0-9 (9 deleted), #2 total 10 hot 2-7 (5 deleted), #3 total 10 hot 2-7 (5 deleted), #4 total 11 hot 3" CreationDate="2014-11-26T20:06:22.230" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6660" PostId="2897" Score="1" Text="+1 for deleting the invalidated answers. On [rpg.se] we close questions _very_ rapidly when they need improvement. If the question changes significantly as part of this, moderators examine the answers and [delete the ones no longer answering the question](http://meta.rpg.stackexchange.com/q/3001), or community members downvote and leave comments informing the answerer what's going on. This doesn't happen often or with many answers, due to how swiftly questions get closed. When it does, it's a learning opportunity for those on that end of the stick: don't answer unclear questions." CreationDate="2014-10-20T02:20:02.317" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="6920" PostId="2898" Score="0" Text="It's profoundly unhelpful that all 10 of these were deleted. How can any of the rest of us retrospectively know what happened, and whether it was justified? Let alone 'review' anything" CreationDate="2015-02-23T05:30:51.800" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="8199" PostId="2898" Score="1" Text="@smci High-rep users can see deleted questions. The deletion process already implies oversight (it takes X votes to delete) and the exposure this gave the questions should have ensured that the deletions were fair. Any that weren't would have been flagged for undeletion or brought up on meta. More power to you if you want to dig through hundreds of deleted questions to make sure users didn't overreach but the SE framework is fairly reliable when it comes to this." CreationDate="2016-01-06T17:17:59.347" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8200" PostId="2898" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal: for the 95+% of us who are sub-10k-rep, we can neither observe nor participate." CreationDate="2016-01-07T04:25:37.580" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="8201" PostId="2898" Score="1" Text="@smci My point is that you could at the time the review was done. There is really no need to check these deletions after they've been discussed and the necessary votes submitted by high-rep users or admins. This isn't Watergate, it's about the cleanup of low-quality questions that add no value to the site. If such oversight *were* required, it would be left to long-time (i.e. high-rep) users who have enough experience with the site to accurately determine whether a deletion was unneccesary or not." CreationDate="2016-01-07T09:35:06.730" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8202" PostId="2898" Score="1" Text="If we follow the reputation model, sub-10K users aren't trusted to cast delete votes, why should they be allowed to see deleted questions then? Arguments can be made that 10K is too high but I assume that this wasn't thought up overnight and the network's been around long enough to establish useful reputation tiers." CreationDate="2016-01-07T09:36:01.737" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8212" PostId="2898" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal: clearly since I only saw this post 5 months after the review had been performed, that's not useful. As such, this review is only useful to 10k users, and the title could easily mark it as such. I was hoping to learn something but nothing is visible to me." CreationDate="2016-01-08T12:46:41.720" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="8213" PostId="2898" Score="0" Text="@smci I'm still not seeing the problem. This is an old thread so of course this review isn't useful to you: it's already over. I don't see a reason why we should update those threads, that's what timestamps are for. If you want to learn or contribute, consider joining [the restart](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3457). If you're truly desperate, you can try the WayBackMachine to view old versions of deleted questions." CreationDate="2016-01-08T13:13:16.397" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8248" PostId="2898" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal: I didn't claim it was a &quot;problem&quot; to exclude 95+% of the userbase in discussing reviews. I was unaware we couldn't view the deleted questions; I was trying to understand how reviews work so I could learn from that; I guess the lesson learned is only look at active reviews. It's somewhat wack if deleted questions are still visible to us via WaybackMachine. But anyway, thanks for your link." CreationDate="2016-01-11T21:41:35.243" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="8255" PostId="2898" Score="0" Text="Hi @smci, at the time of this review, in 2014 when this post was created, these questions were not deleted. The purpose of the review was to determine what content could be fixed/cleaned up and what content should be removed from the site.  This review is now completed. Thus, when this review was active, 100% of users on the site could contribute. Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2016-01-13T18:29:40.920" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="8259" PostId="2898" Score="0" Text="@jmort253: yes, I understood that already. Thanks anyway." CreationDate="2016-01-14T18:34:10.747" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="6447" PostId="2899" Score="1" Text="This looks great so far! How hard would it be to not auto-hide moderator messages? Such as [here](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/32896/2322) as an example?" CreationDate="2014-08-26T22:44:28.907" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6448" PostId="2899" Score="2" Text="@enderland: Well, it would take a developer, so several orders of magnitude harder than the setting. ;-) But why would you want that? The message is important to someone about to leave a comment, but noise to everyone else. I think it's perfect hidden there." CreationDate="2014-08-26T23:21:35.440" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6449" PostId="2899" Score="6" Text="Just saw it in action on [this question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/32941/19612). **19 comments, all hidden**. It is a glorious sight to behold. I hope no one upvotes any of those comments." CreationDate="2014-08-27T00:35:33.787" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6452" PostId="2899" Score="4" Text="Hi @JonEricson, moderator comments are oftentimes signposts/breadcrumbs we leave for the community, as outlined in [Theory of Moderation](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation/). During the election, we discovered a number of high rep users on our site who aren't aware of how SE works, so it would be helpful for us to mark certain comments as more permanent.  For instance, we're leaving comments on closed posts with links to the review queues so we encourage more close/reopen voting. The more people who see such messages, the better. Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2014-08-27T02:06:54.447" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6456" PostId="2899" Score="3" Text="What happened with changing the term from comments to annotations?  I still think that is the best way to get people thinking this is not a forum for discussion." CreationDate="2014-08-27T13:08:26.950" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6523" PostId="2899" Score="0" Text="If this change is proven to be valueable, do you intend to propagate it to the entire network ?" CreationDate="2014-09-08T07:33:06.097" UserId="14043" />
  <row Id="6525" PostId="2899" Score="1" Text="@Radu Murzea: That's a possibility—especially for larger sites. Before that can happen, we need to gather data on what, if any impact hiding comment here has had. (Some of that data might very well be anecdotal.) For more on where I'd like to go, please see: [Hide trivial comments](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/204402/hide-trivial-comments)." CreationDate="2014-09-08T14:56:31.980" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6546" PostId="2899" Score="2" Text="No, you should not do this. Most of the times, I end up having to click to see the hidden comments. Otherwise, the conversation is hard to follow." CreationDate="2014-09-10T08:52:38.120" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="6550" PostId="2899" Score="1" Text="@Happy but you have to do that with long comment threads anyway, when the system auto-collapses them and shows only the highest-voted." CreationDate="2014-09-10T14:48:50.420" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6887" PostId="2899" Score="0" Text="as an unintended side effect of this change, &quot;Atwood's warning&quot; is now displayed prematurely, as reported at MSE: [Do we really need fewer than 3 answers?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/247617/165773) (which made the warning not only toothless as it always was, but also to a large extent senseless:)" CreationDate="2015-01-27T13:18:19.117" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6451" PostId="2900" Score="0" Text="Just to clarify one point. If the asker is no longer part of the process, and the question is in danger of being deleted, I see it as more *community owned*. If someone can edit and make it something that can help all the future visitors, then edit away. This may or may not cover *this* particular question, as other points may make it unsalvageable, but in general, don't feel you need the asker to play a role if they've disappeared. :) Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2014-08-27T01:57:42.690" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6453" PostId="2900" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 Excellent point about community ownership, but I don't think it applies in this specific case because the question lacks so much context and details that the community would effectively be creating a new question, and if we're creating a new question, it might as well be fresh and not have any of the baggage of this one." CreationDate="2014-08-27T02:23:37.697" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6454" PostId="2900" Score="0" Text="That makes sense in this case. Making up too many details could end up making the post feel really awkward, and that's something that's caused problems before." CreationDate="2014-08-27T02:29:28.607" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6455" PostId="2900" Score="6" Text="I agree with Matt.  If there's an abandoned question that lacked detail and there are some great answers that assumed certain details, it can make sense to edit those assumptions into the question for the sake of the answers.  But if you find you're just making stuff up, well, why not have somebody ask about an *actual* problem instead?" CreationDate="2014-08-27T02:31:14.317" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6467" PostId="2900" Score="1" Text="I agree with Matt and Monica too.  I can make up details to kind of salvage the question, based on the assumptions I made in the answer.  But deleting the entire thing is probably better." CreationDate="2014-08-27T17:33:49.963" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="6481" PostId="2900" Score="0" Text="I did an edit to the question.  I did embellish that the OP intended to retire from the company mostly because I wanted to discourage just quit answers.  If quitting is the right solution then it should be strongly backed up as to why.  I think it would be acceptable now." CreationDate="2014-08-28T13:48:27.360" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6491" PostId="2900" Score="2" Text="Matt, thanks for starting a discussion of this one!  The post has now received a pretty major edit and has some reopen votes, so I encourage anybody reading this to take another look.  @ReallyTiredOfThisGame, thank you for that above-and-beyond edit!" CreationDate="2014-09-01T00:27:33.617" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6509" PostId="2904" Score="0" Text="So the question is not &quot;off topic&quot; but rather &quot;open to interpretation&quot;" CreationDate="2014-09-04T15:46:33.853" UserId="4913" />
  <row Id="6590" PostId="2904" Score="0" Text="Almost the entire site is opinion-based, including your suggested re-wording. http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=votes I looked at the first page of the most popular questions - all are opinion-based. Mathoverflow can play the &quot;opinion-based&quot; card, Workplace by and large can not." CreationDate="2014-09-11T16:50:18.697" UserId="18292" />
  <row Id="6599" PostId="2904" Score="0" Text="@coburne - It is a very thin line that our site rides, which is why taking a deep breath, re-reading the on-hold question, and finding a way to slightly edit it can help bring it more in-line with being backed, not by unsubstantiated opinion, but opinion backed by facts and references. That's really the key: Will the question evoke answers backed by facts and references." CreationDate="2014-09-12T02:43:44.900" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6600" PostId="2904" Score="1" Text="@Ghaag - I recommend reading [Good Subjective, Bad Subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/). It does a good job explaining, via the six guidelines for a good subjective question, how questions can be worded to attract fact-based answers. Opinions are fine, [as long as they can be backed up](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/255/faq-proposal-back-it-up-and-dont-repeat-others). Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2014-09-12T02:45:59.757" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6504" PostId="2906" Score="3" Text="I put some delete votes on some, and others already had one so there are a few with 2 now." CreationDate="2014-09-03T16:44:58.930" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6500" PostId="2907" Score="0" Text="I tried rephrasing my question and edited the title. But if that doesn't suffice, I would appreciate an edit to make it a fit for the SE format." CreationDate="2014-09-03T10:51:01.567" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="6501" PostId="2907" Score="0" Text="@Ajaxkevi thanks for the edit!  That looks much better to me." CreationDate="2014-09-03T13:17:08.437" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6507" PostId="2907" Score="0" Text="Thanks! I voted for reopening." CreationDate="2014-09-04T09:13:02.380" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="6524" PostId="2907" Score="0" Text="Would need 1 more reopen vote." CreationDate="2014-09-08T07:34:34.473" UserId="13302" />
  <row Id="6526" PostId="2907" Score="1" Text="This got four reopen votes from the community, so I cast the fifth one." CreationDate="2014-09-09T02:01:38.347" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6493" PostId="2908" Score="1" Text="I answered this question and made an edit that didn't quite bring it back. I'm not sure how to edit it further, but after seeing the great work done to save other questions in last week's group, I hope this one can be saved as well" CreationDate="2014-09-01T23:32:00.280" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6494" PostId="2908" Score="0" Text="@MattGiltaji - I think one concern might be that the answers don't address the full question in its current format. As an example, do the answers address how to behave in the presence of monitoring software? Either that info is missing, or perhaps we just need to highlight that better so it's more obvious to readers." CreationDate="2014-09-02T00:02:34.853" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6496" PostId="2908" Score="1" Text="The question in the title (&quot;how widespread...&quot;) is not the same as the question in the body (&quot;how can I tell, and how should I modify my behavior&quot;).  One answer addresses the question in the title; the other answer addresses both.  Perhaps the question should be reworked to match the one in the body (which would be on-topic, unlike the title) and the answers adjusted." CreationDate="2014-09-02T15:35:05.133" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6497" PostId="2908" Score="1" Text="I've edited the title to match the question body, and updated my answer to reflect the &quot;how to behave&quot; aspect of the question." CreationDate="2014-09-02T19:11:49.387" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6495" PostId="2909" Score="1" Text="Good point on using tag filters to filter out unwanted content. I forget those are there, and I suspect others do as well. With that said, tag filters are best for people like you, who just don't really want to see the content as a member of the community who answers questions. But we'll still want to be sure that actual duplicates do in fact get closed as duplicates. The silent majority (all the people hitting our site from google searches) should be able to find their answer in one spot." CreationDate="2014-09-02T02:08:37.883" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6701" PostId="2909" Score="0" Text="&quot;The questions aren't hidden completely, but they're greyed out&quot; - actually, depending on your per-user preferences, they *can* be hidden completely. From your user page click 'preferences'; the switch is then at the bottom." CreationDate="2014-11-18T14:02:40.777" UserId="7235" />
  <row Id="6784" PostId="2909" Score="1" Text="+1. In fact, we actually have a more specific [relieving-letter](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/relieving-letter) tag." CreationDate="2014-12-18T15:19:51.913" UserId="17125" />
  <row Id="6498" PostId="2910" Score="0" Text="I've proposed an edit which makes the question a bit more clearly match the question title and doesn't really invalidate the top two answers. If accepted, that edit should kick it into the reopen queue." CreationDate="2014-09-02T19:59:13.743" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6499" PostId="2910" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, two close votes were cast before the edit on July 23 and two after.  With Matt's edit today it now has two reopen votes." CreationDate="2014-09-02T23:08:15.897" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6505" PostId="2910" Score="2" Text="This has been reopened." CreationDate="2014-09-03T19:15:31.377" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6506" PostId="2911" Score="0" Text="If you cast a reopen vote, @JoeStrazzere, it will push that in the [reopen review queue](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/reopen). There are only 3 posts there, so that would get this a ton of attention." CreationDate="2014-09-04T04:01:07.697" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6508" PostId="2911" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - thanks, but I've already done that." CreationDate="2014-09-04T11:07:47.807" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6513" PostId="2912" Score="2" Text="This has been deleted by three votes from the community." CreationDate="2014-09-05T20:39:18.580" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6565" PostId="2913" Score="0" Text="Its one thing to remove unnecessary tags from new questions. another to substitute your judgement for the communities judgement on older questions.  I would recommend starting a thread to ask about removing the tag from any question more than a couple weeks old." CreationDate="2014-09-11T05:19:02.693" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6571" PostId="2913" Score="1" Text="I also want to point out this question: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/227/16 where the community resoundly voted down the idea that professionalism tag should not be used.  Professionalism is the correct tag for &quot;ettiqute in the workplace&quot; type questions." CreationDate="2014-09-11T14:48:28.277" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6572" PostId="2913" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame &quot;resoundingly voted down&quot; with one downvote? No kidding." CreationDate="2014-09-11T14:56:14.797" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6573" PostId="2913" Score="0" Text="And that 10 upvotes for the top answer." CreationDate="2014-09-11T14:57:12.730" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6574" PostId="2913" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame Now, it's 8. 8 out of the 25 users in mata. Or even more impressive, a very representative 8 out of several hundred users in the community at large." CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:05:07.997" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6575" PostId="2913" Score="0" Text="And yet it is the majority opinion.  Like I said if you want to revise it then ask your own meta question do not go off on your own personal crusade." CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:07:10.423" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6579" PostId="2913" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame 8 out 25 is not a majority by any stretch of the imagination. Nor is 8 out of several hundreds. Try harder." CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:22:50.983" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6592" PostId="2913" Score="0" Text="So create a new question and see if the opinion has shifted.  &#xA;As it stands the community wants the tag and it is inapproriate for one individual to take it upon themself to change the way the site has worked for 2 years." CreationDate="2014-09-11T18:50:28.863" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6594" PostId="2913" Score="1" Text="@VietnhiPhuvan by your reasoning, you *also* don't have a majority to change it, so the status quo is the default.  We do not require a strict majority of account-holders before making a change; if we did, we'd never get anything done.  The votes on that question seem pretty clear to me in support of the tag.  Feel free to start a new meta post; you could argue that that post is two years old and we should revisit, for instance." CreationDate="2014-09-11T21:12:42.760" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6595" PostId="2913" Score="1" Text="But in the meantime, if the tag is being applied in accordance with its tag wiki (which isn't always the case), then that's correct and shouldn't be changed.  If you find *incorrect* uses of it -- incorrect according to the wiki and the site, not incorrect according to your opinion -- then by all means remove those." CreationDate="2014-09-11T21:12:45.677" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6512" PostId="2916" Score="0" Text="How could we rephrase the question to take out the whining and point to the fact that someone in a position of authority is being verbally abusive to one of thier subordinates? Again, I feel this is a great topic to address in the Workplace. That's why I whittled down the original rage-fest to the short note you see today..." CreationDate="2014-09-05T20:34:45.637" UserId="25306" />
  <row Id="6514" PostId="2916" Score="1" Text="@MikeVanTrufflebutt, that depends on what the actual question is, and what problem it is trying to solve -- the current question doesn't address that, which is why I can't suggest a rephrasing, since that would be inventing content I can't see there." CreationDate="2014-09-05T20:55:22.370" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6515" PostId="2916" Score="1" Text="@MikeVanTrufflebutt, you could leave comments to the asker with some clarifying questions. In these cases where the question isn't clear, we can oftentimes tease it out of them just by us asking the right questions. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2014-09-05T21:16:53.667" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6516" PostId="2916" Score="0" Text="Of course, I can see an argument for the post being a lot better than it was originally. Maybe it just needs someone to drop this link in chat to get more members of the community involved..." CreationDate="2014-09-05T21:19:02.260" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6517" PostId="2920" Score="1" Text="I didn't vote down but I guess that desire to be &quot;able to gain points for new up votes&quot; doesn't look like a solid justification for de-wikifying. After all, one can argue that reputation obtained from [lemming upvotes in hot questions](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/238420/165773) is enough already" CreationDate="2014-09-06T20:33:37.643" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6518" PostId="2920" Score="1" Text="I think I was hoping that a discussion of clean-up might interest people too :(" CreationDate="2014-09-06T21:18:34.377" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="6519" PostId="2920" Score="2" Text="discussing answers cleanup could be interesting but I guess readers perceive your question as primarily &quot;please de-wikify this to help me get moar repz&quot;. I understand your feelings (2 of my 5 top-voted answers at Programmers are CW) but these don't look like making a solid ground for meta discussion (FWIW [rep denial mechanism](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/227290/165773) like one that hit you back then has been recently turned off so your future posts will not carry that risk anymore)" CreationDate="2014-09-06T21:24:29.070" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6520" PostId="2920" Score="0" Text="I agree with @gnat. Also, I'm usually against de-wikifying a question because the first TWP generation gained so much rep on such poor questions. I just don't want to see another rep-grab like that one again." CreationDate="2014-09-07T00:05:25.163" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6522" PostId="2921" Score="0" Text="I bumped it with a couple of edits, and gained another answer. *wince*" CreationDate="2014-09-07T22:20:48.887" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="6533" PostId="2922" Score="1" Text="#2 should be a duplicate of http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/10456/16" CreationDate="2014-09-09T13:52:47.560" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6535" PostId="2922" Score="1" Text="#7 is a duplicate of http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/16921/underpaid-and-overworked-how-should-i-approach-my-boss" CreationDate="2014-09-09T14:01:37.963" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6527" PostId="2923" Score="0" Text="FWIW google seems to show [&quot;repelling&quot; summary for the closed questions](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/217913/165773) -- _&quot;As it currently stands, this question is not a good fit for our Q&amp;A format...&quot;_" CreationDate="2014-09-09T08:51:17.767" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6538" PostId="2923" Score="2" Text="Questions &quot;whose closure was not ambiguous or controversial&quot; are likely to be broken windows.  We don't want Google to direct people here for that content because that's not the kind of content this site is for.  We want Google directing people here for our many excellently-answered on-topic SE-suitable questions.  Not all closed questions are broken windows, but some are and deleting them would better serve readers than leaving them around, I think.  I'm not talking about the reasonable-but-closed questions, the ones where scope changed, duplicates, etc; those all help people." CreationDate="2014-09-09T15:12:07.190" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6528" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="lots of upvotes don't mean usefulness, see [The Trouble With Popularity](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/). I would expect more solid explanation for why posts are useful ([another answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2925/168) also uses the broken logic about lots-upvotes but it at least complements it with more tangible reasoning)" CreationDate="2014-09-09T10:26:55.940" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6529" PostId="2924" Score="1" Text="While the question itself is short, the answers expand on the theme enough to make the package useful. I think that's why the community agreed on the usefulness with its votes. It seems like a real question to me. I don't understand why it was closed." CreationDate="2014-09-09T11:29:10.203" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6530" PostId="2924" Score="3" Text="I made an edit that I think brings it back towards good subjective and does not invalidate Joe's great answer.  Let me know if you agree" CreationDate="2014-09-09T13:32:56.967" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6536" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame very nicely done. I'd vote to reopen if I had the privilege." CreationDate="2014-09-09T14:05:37.217" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6537" PostId="2924" Score="1" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame as far as I can tell, changes made to question invalidated (partly) two top answers which referred &quot;unethical&quot;. Possibly other answers were affected as well" CreationDate="2014-09-09T14:58:06.417" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6539" PostId="2924" Score="1" Text="If people agree that the edit saves the question, answers can be edited." CreationDate="2014-09-09T15:15:39.607" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6540" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="@Gnat - The answers are not invalidated just because they address something that is no longer in the question.  The answers still address the current question which is important.  The ethics are off topic here." CreationDate="2014-09-09T15:53:53.947" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6541" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame did you read these answers? they quote and address text which is not in the question. Having top answers so much out of sync with the questions asked is probably not quite okay even in closed question, but if it gets reopened, what signal is this going to send to site visitors?" CreationDate="2014-09-09T15:58:53.963" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6542" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="I dont really see the problem.  The answer can remove the quotes and with just a minor effort be a quality answer." CreationDate="2014-09-09T17:24:44.000" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6543" PostId="2924" Score="1" Text="And the second answer is horrible reguardless of how highly voted it is." CreationDate="2014-09-09T17:26:01.683" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6558" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame (why will you get back to Chad!:) ...just noticed, [yet another answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/31326/reducing-the-salary-after-job-offer#comment81470_31350) that can make site visitors raise eyebrows after recent question edits. Probably not as harmful as other two, as it's &quot;only&quot; 3rd top and has &quot;only&quot; 12 upvotes but still..." CreationDate="2014-09-10T15:54:47.863" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6559" PostId="2924" Score="0" Text="I dont really see the problem with any of these.  There are other answers to questions that make far less sense.  I could link too 2 users that have hundreds of them." CreationDate="2014-09-10T15:58:47.343" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6531" PostId="2925" Score="1" Text="The only thing I Can see doing with this question is asking how to determine if it is ok." CreationDate="2014-09-09T13:33:59.353" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6532" PostId="2925" Score="2" Text="That someone else might ask the same bad question in the future is not a good reason to keep a bad question around." CreationDate="2014-09-09T13:48:16.077" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6544" PostId="2926" Score="0" Text="It still seems really objective to me. They look like very minor word tweaks." CreationDate="2014-09-09T20:28:07.063" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="6547" PostId="2926" Score="0" Text="@yochannah Objective is a good thing...  Sometimes minor tweeks are all it takes to turn a bad question good.  And subjective isnt bad if it is focused and answerable.  See [Good subjective Bad Subjective](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/) and [Real Questions have Answers](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/01/real-questions-have-answers/)" CreationDate="2014-09-10T12:03:11.223" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6548" PostId="2926" Score="0" Text="I have no idea how I managed to type objective when I meant subjective. oops." CreationDate="2014-09-10T13:27:09.787" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="6549" PostId="2926" Score="0" Text="It is subjective but I think it is good subjective now." CreationDate="2014-09-10T13:33:40.520" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6551" PostId="2930" Score="1" Text="[This MSE request](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/131787/162102) seems to be pretty controversial, but if we had the narrower case of allowing mods to pin comments *left by mods*, would that help?" CreationDate="2014-09-10T14:51:38.410" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6552" PostId="2930" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio a simple workaround would be for moderators to just cross-upvote comments of their peers. (FWIW I do just that, although as a regular user - I simply walk over comments tabs in [moderators](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators) profiles and vote up what looks like a mod guidance - typically stuff in the bold font)" CreationDate="2014-09-10T14:56:20.690" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6553" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="@gnat I generally do that when I see a &quot;notice&quot; comment from another mod (as opposed to a &quot;just plain participation&quot; comment).  Walking over the comments tab never occurred to me. :-)" CreationDate="2014-09-10T14:58:25.217" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6554" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio this occurred to me immediately after I learned how the change we discuss here impacts mod comments :)" CreationDate="2014-09-10T15:00:54.530" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6555" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio ...or, to be precise, _almost_ immediately. I cast first handful upvotes on collapsed mod comments that followed up my own _too chatty_ flags. Then I thought, heck, these guys likely leave similar guiding comments elsewhere, and these comments remain invisible, too :)" CreationDate="2014-09-10T15:09:16.697" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6556" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="@gnat I appreciate that, I know I often drop them in Water Cooler hoping for the same effect." CreationDate="2014-09-10T15:13:03.303" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6557" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="yeah at first I was thinking about you guys dropping comments to-be-upvoted to chat. But then I thought, this would better be &quot;reserved&quot; for comments you consider especially important. For more ordinary, routine notices cross-upvoting looks more appropriate - not to mention that this is more reliable than waiting for someone in chat to pay attention and catch the drift" CreationDate="2014-09-10T15:16:29.170" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6560" PostId="2930" Score="1" Text="To be honest, one of the pleasures of hiding comments for me is no longer seeing meta-comments warning users not to use comments inappropriately. Such warnings are often worse than the disease in my experience as a reader since they have _even less_ to do with the post than the original comments. It's also hard to imagine what adding yet another moderator-only feature (in addition to [post notices](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/165006/what-are-these-notices-under-my-post)) would accomplish. As @gnat points out, _anyone_ can surface useful, relevant, or important comments by voting." CreationDate="2014-09-10T16:02:06.870" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6561" PostId="2930" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson you're an extremist! ([not that I complain](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/180752/165773 &quot;'Answers should prevail...'&quot;):)" CreationDate="2014-09-10T16:06:56.920" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6562" PostId="2930" Score="1" Text="@JonEricson try moderating here for a while on hot questions. I _just_ cleaned up another batch of comments after another moderator had previously cleaned up a bunch but not put the notice. Hiding comments almost assuredly will not stop them from being created..." CreationDate="2014-09-10T16:09:06.200" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6563" PostId="2930" Score="1" Text="While I agree hiding comments won't discourage them from being left, they do limit the number of people who will read them. (It's still too early to look at the statistics, however.) But remember that the act of leaving a comment reveals existing comments automatically. Therefore, the person who intends to leave a comment will necessarily see moderator warnings too. (No guarantee that they will _read_ them of course, but that's not a variable in this experiment. ;-)" CreationDate="2014-09-10T16:29:55.253" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6604" PostId="2931" Score="1" Text="Thanks for highlighting - we didn't intend that.  We're checking out whether they're deliberately linked somewhere, or if a bit got switched by accident." CreationDate="2014-09-12T13:58:05.160" UserId="2173" />
  <row Id="6605" PostId="2931" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Jaydles.  When I saw it I wondered if there's a &quot;very busy page&quot; state for which we do both -- deter more answers and collapse comments -- and if we'd tapped into that in changing the comment limit.  There are other question states that affect page behavior (protected, locked, closed, deleted), so it kind of makes sense.  Now I'm curious: did I correctly guess the design?" CreationDate="2014-09-12T14:12:32.427" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10575" PostId="2931" Score="1" Text="@Jaydles did you ever find out if this was an accident (and, if so, if it's reversible)?" CreationDate="2016-11-18T17:18:27.550" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10579" PostId="2931" Score="0" Text="We are abusing the old [Community Wiki conversion misfeature](https://stackoverflow.blog/2014/04/putting-the-community-back-in-wiki/). On most sites, it kicks in at 15 answers, but I adjusted the number down to 2 here. The CW conversion no longer happens, but the comment hiding and this popup are side-effects that still occur. I could easily raise it to 3 or 4, which would be retroactive. Removing the popup altogether is also possible, but we'd need to think about it in the context of other sites where the level is more reasonable for the popup. Maybe a new meta question is in order?" CreationDate="2016-11-18T17:46:17.210" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="10580" PostId="2931" Score="0" Text="Thanks @JonEricson.  We don't want to lose the comment push-back, but maybe we should look at raising it.  This calls for a separate discussion, thanks." CreationDate="2016-11-18T18:38:08.553" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6596" PostId="2932" Score="0" Text="Plenty of answers here get tons of comments, too." CreationDate="2014-09-12T00:28:26.157" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6606" PostId="2932" Score="0" Text="@enderland if you mean answers at meta, abuse of comments here is most likely [by design](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/239096/165773), just like multiple other ways how &quot;canonical&quot; Q&amp;A model is abused at meta" CreationDate="2014-09-12T21:09:38.797" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6566" PostId="2933" Score="1" Text="a sure way &quot;to gain a vote&quot; if there's something really valuable in the comment, would be to make it an answer or an edit to some answer, wouldn't it?" CreationDate="2014-09-11T12:07:33.840" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6568" PostId="2933" Score="0" Text="well then, as long as there's nothing in the comment that could make it into a valuable (part of an) answer, I see no reason to worry. &quot;This site is all about **getting answers**...&quot; ([tour]) ...it's not about _getting comments_" CreationDate="2014-09-11T12:15:46.990" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6569" PostId="2933" Score="1" Text="The point is that some comments could make questions/answers more valuable. (that's what comments are for). But if they are immediately hidden, others may not see them, and hence may not upvote them, and thus the question/answer may not be improved. So it goes." CreationDate="2014-09-11T12:21:39.527" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6570" PostId="2933" Score="0" Text="I see, thanks. That sounds like a known [Atwood's argument for introducing expanded comments](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/04/comments-top-n-shown/ &quot;'I’ve been amazed how useful and relevant the comments have become over time...'&quot;), a reasonable concern worth keeping in mind" CreationDate="2014-09-11T12:30:45.197" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6597" PostId="2933" Score="1" Text="I think my biggest frustration is when people ask someone a clarification/question in a comment, it often gets upvoted. But the responses in comments often do _not_ get upvoted (which causes what you've said here)." CreationDate="2014-09-12T00:31:07.163" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6601" PostId="2933" Score="0" Text="Hmmm. Maybe we need a meta post with some guidelines on when to upvote a comment, @enderland." CreationDate="2014-09-12T03:00:16.653" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6602" PostId="2933" Score="1" Text="The comments with responses shouldn't be upvoted; they should be edited into the post and then the comments asking for those clarifications can be removed as obsolete." CreationDate="2014-09-12T03:03:12.237" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6603" PostId="2933" Score="2" Text="@jmort253 that's STILL fighting symptoms rather than the root cause. The root cause is that SE uses comments different than the rest of the world. People upvote comments here exactly like people &quot;like&quot; or &quot;+1&quot; or otherwise upvote comments on other social media. SE being different causes this problem as well, a meta post about that is going to be largely ineffective as a result.." CreationDate="2014-09-12T13:18:55.490" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6598" PostId="2934" Score="1" Text="Just a comment on this (ha), pretty much every comment of yours I read is the good type of comments. Pretty much all your comments I see are beneficial." CreationDate="2014-09-12T00:32:58.043" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6576" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="do you suggest to blow _all_ answers or only those invalidated by the edit? (not that I disagree, in fact I am _heavily_ tempted to vote up, :) just want to better understand)" CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:16:10.133" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6577" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="@gnat - I would say all.  Any edit here is going to change it to where the answers need to be edited, this should help ensure that they either are edited or are not a broken window of their own." CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:20:19.043" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6578" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="To be clear I am only proposing this for the quesitons listed in the broken window meta question not all questions that ever get edited" CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:21:27.497" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6580" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="deletion leaves editing options to be available only to authors, 10K users and moderators, are you okay with that? (and of course I understand that your approach is limited only to posts listed in the broken window meta question)" CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:24:22.803" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6581" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="@gnat - I am lets face it they are the only ones likely to clean it up anyway and really its going to be the user that wants their rep back that is going to fix their own answer." CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:25:33.133" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6582" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="But then again I am not a big fan of people who answer these types of question in the first place.  There are too many answers that are just there to farm rep that are not good SE answers and they are by people who have been around long enough to know better." CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:28:21.620" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6583" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="I see, that makes sense. To be totally precise, &quot;rep back&quot; motivation won't work for answers [older than 60 days with score 3 or more](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/reputation-and-historical-archives/) but this likely doesn't matter" CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:28:34.737" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6584" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="@gnat - That is a bit disappointing... but I am still infavor of this method. No point in having bad answers hanging around even if they were once highly voted." CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:31:10.287" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6585" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="&quot;disappointing&quot;? actually no. Probably the main point of keeping legacy rep for cases like this is to lower resistance to approaches like you suggest. Just think of it, would you want meta to be filled with complaints like &quot;Y U took my 40 repz from 3 months ago&quot;. This happened once at MSE (&quot;Black Weekend&quot;) and keeping legacy rep is what saved it from total destruction back then. The point is, you let people keep their friggin' repz &quot;in exchange&quot; of less complaints about cleanup :)" CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:34:55.207" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6586" PostId="2936" Score="1" Text="@gnat yes because then we can tell them yea now stop posting answers to crap questions or you are going to keep losing it :)" CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:43:07.210" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6587" PostId="2936" Score="0" Text="as much as I like your attitude, it's too optimistic I'm afraid. MSE had much more regulars to tell like you suggest but even they gave up the _whining tsunami_ (iirc on Black Weekend Saturday, they were rather keeping up but when Sunday came, it was all over:). Let's bite what we can chew, answers under +3 or younger than 60 days will give us enough of it I think" CreationDate="2014-09-11T15:51:33.557" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6588" PostId="2937" Score="0" Text="currently affected answers seem to be discussed in [comments](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2922/broken-windows-for-review-week-3#comment6537_2924 &quot;example&quot;), could we agree on some more convenient place, in cases when discussion spans more than 2-3 comments?" CreationDate="2014-09-11T16:09:45.823" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6589" PostId="2937" Score="1" Text="...I also wonder if it makes sense to notify authors of these answers and if yes then how? my own experience so far was frankly somewhat disappointing, I posted couple comments but these seemed to be ignored, at least until moderators chimed in with their own comments" CreationDate="2014-09-11T16:12:54.200" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6591" PostId="2937" Score="1" Text="@gnat of course they ignored them.  Why bother cleaning them up when there is no real reason to so what the question got changed, I already go my rep for it." CreationDate="2014-09-11T17:28:20.677" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6640" PostId="2938" Score="0" Text="What browser are you using for this. I'm seeing it in Chrome 37.0.2062.120. That sidebar locks to the top of the window no matter how far down you scroll. Happens with the &quot;how to edit, how to format&quot; too. Tested on main StackOverflow and it's occurring there as well. Probably needs to be submitted as a bug." CreationDate="2014-09-25T13:45:18.467" UserId="18336" />
  <row Id="6931" PostId="2938" Score="1" Text="+1: Same on Firefox 36.0, Windows 7 SP1 x64, 1280x1024, 100% zoom level, AdBlocker turned off." CreationDate="2015-02-27T22:25:35.533" UserId="17036" />
  <row Id="6935" PostId="2938" Score="0" Text="[Similar bug on Mathematics](http://meta.math.stackexchange.com/questions/19587/when-editing-tags-the-bottom-of-the-tag-popup-is-invisible)." CreationDate="2015-03-03T00:55:53.717" UserId="208" />
  <row Id="6608" PostId="2941" Score="0" Text="what about voting on answers? hiding comments =&gt; less scrolling to get to answers =&gt; one can expect some increase in voting on these" CreationDate="2014-09-16T07:33:54.167" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6609" PostId="2941" Score="1" Text="Interesting, thanks.  Is it possible to break it down for account-holders versus casual visitors (e.g. Google)?  If most of *us* are clicking but most Googlers aren't, that's different than if everybody's clicking." CreationDate="2014-09-16T13:07:51.297" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6610" PostId="2941" Score="0" Text="@Monica Cellio: I updated the first graph to show by user type. Pretty much everyone is having to click an extra link to read more comments." CreationDate="2014-09-16T22:29:04.760" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="6611" PostId="2941" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  I realize they would have to click a link; I was wondering if some of them weren't bothering to do so (as a class).  Eyeballing it, it looks like we average about 2.5 times as many *clicks* for anonymous as registered; what's the ratio of anonymous to registered *visits*?  That is, do anon users click at about the same rate as everybody else (so our goal of cutting out noise for the Google crowd isn't really working), or *per capita* do they click a lot less (but there are a lot more of them in *total*)?" CreationDate="2014-09-16T22:35:21.773" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16455" PostId="2941" Score="0" Text="So you've just implemented a feature that just annoys everybody without any particular win. Great job." CreationDate="2018-09-17T13:03:16.310" UserId="61174" />
  <row Id="16464" PostId="2941" Score="0" Text="@red-shield: Not sure about &quot;just&quot;, but yes, the effect of the feature is to require more people to have to click an extra time. I'm willing to revisit this change if it is no longer deemed worth the cost by this community." CreationDate="2018-09-17T16:39:30.970" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="16558" PostId="2941" Score="0" Text="Oh, never mind. I created an extension for my browser that clicks that useless link for me and also removes the pointless _New Contributor_ labels :-P You can keep them both." CreationDate="2018-09-21T19:46:34.093" UserId="61174" />
  <row Id="6612" PostId="2943" Score="3" Text="consider more active _backlinking_ to meta from main site. Questions that enter the review list would better get mod comment referring to meta discussion, in bold font to denote mod hat on. Like **&quot;discussed at meta**: &lt;link&gt;&quot; ([example where this wasn't done](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/30858/168)). Probably same to be done for answers that pop up in respective review posts" CreationDate="2014-09-17T08:01:40.490" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6613" PostId="2944" Score="6" Text="putting a question on hold is precisely what you're requesting: a chance to fix a question and get it right for the site. If you're sure your question belongs, then edit and comment until everyone can see clearly that it belongs. Don't just leave it as-is because some people disagreed with it as first written" CreationDate="2014-09-17T19:17:01.833" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="6614" PostId="2944" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/196078/165773" CreationDate="2014-09-17T20:19:03.760" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6617" PostId="2944" Score="0" Text="@KateGregory - i altered it before i wrote this." CreationDate="2014-09-18T14:48:03.017" UserId="27084" />
  <row Id="6618" PostId="2944" Score="3" Text="i less mind the item being on hold than negative votes without reason why.  Negative votes are inherently negative and give a negative experience.  As a startup community i think there should be a greater focus on the positive and encouragement.  I've also noticed that there hasn't been activity on my question since the edit.  New questions get attention (neg or positive) It seems unlikely based on experience with other sites that I will see the negative votes removed or changed in to positive votes." CreationDate="2014-09-18T14:50:02.700" UserId="27084" />
  <row Id="6622" PostId="2944" Score="4" Text="'downvotes are taken so damn personal. A downvote does not mean _&quot;you are a bad person and you should feel bad, go die in a corner&quot;_. But that's how they're often understood...' ([MSO](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/253230/839601))" CreationDate="2014-09-18T16:38:38.800" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6623" PostId="2944" Score="2" Text="i agree @gnat and thats why i think a new community should be careful about using them too liberally.  I'm a big boy and I understand what they are from other stack exchange communities, but fixing a question so rarely gets people to go back and remove downvotes once the question is fixed, i think the community leaders/moderators should use them liberally and be more interested in developing good content for their sites rather than just pointing to bad content." CreationDate="2014-09-18T16:53:15.517" UserId="27084" />
  <row Id="6624" PostId="2944" Score="1" Text="well, rarely getting back to remove downvotes may happen at other Stack Exchange sites, but this is rather opposite to what I observe at Workplace. Here, people seem to be generally happy to revoke DVs when questions are brought into shape, and in cases when I can see some &quot;obsolete&quot; downvotes through vote split, these are typically offset by upvotes cast on improved question (it certainly helps that we're getting modest dozen questions a day, so that edited ones get conveniently bumped to front page and stay there for long enough for community to review improvements)" CreationDate="2014-09-18T17:02:39.167" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6626" PostId="2944" Score="1" Text="[This article](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/09/good-subjective-bad-subjective/) might be interesting for you to read. Writing good subjective questions is _hard_.  Even your revised question doesn't really fit the list of criteria in that blog very well. Your original question (and even after your revision) is basically &quot;hey give me a list&quot; which has never been a good fit for Stack Exchange Q/A sites. After you edited your question, [three of four people](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/21006) voted to keep it closed in the review queue." CreationDate="2014-09-18T23:03:04.017" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6627" PostId="2944" Score="1" Text="(cont) Also, see [this link](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask) for some specific &quot;don't ask&quot; subjects, one of them is `your answer is provided along with the question, and you expect more answers: “I use ______ for ______, what do you use?”` which is nearly exactly what your question is. Please also look through the scope [here](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) as the scope of this site is not just &quot;does it relate to work? on topic!&quot;  I hope this helps some, as like I said above, it's really hard to write good subjective questions for a Q/A site." CreationDate="2014-09-18T23:04:28.293" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6629" PostId="2944" Score="4" Text="Its too bad i didn't get that feedback in the comments of the question." CreationDate="2014-09-19T20:23:21.567" UserId="27084" />
  <row Id="6643" PostId="2944" Score="0" Text="@JeffMartin - I would consider trying to ask how you can determine the right items to include in a reference guide for someone new to a position in your group.  Keep it as position neutral as possible as really the process of determining the contents should be the same reguardless if the position is for a developer or an artist or a banker.  The difference will be what is in the contents.  I think this style question would be great." CreationDate="2014-09-29T18:13:17.590" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6644" PostId="2944" Score="0" Text="Part of the problem is what goes into the document for you workplace is going to be very different from what goes in my workplace.  But the process of determining how to put those documents together will be basically the same (or could be anyway)." CreationDate="2014-09-29T18:14:27.010" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6645" PostId="2944" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure i agree that the process would be the same as an artist or banker, but I take your meaning and understand how you would like me to change the orientation of the question.  I'll try to put some time in to that question again sometime soon." CreationDate="2014-09-29T18:18:12.167" UserId="27084" />
  <row Id="6615" PostId="2945" Score="2" Text="That's a good point, thanks.  I'm sorry we haven't been careful with this." CreationDate="2014-09-18T13:08:20.780" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6628" PostId="2945" Score="2" Text="I did this on one question where I really thought it could be improved -- *just not by me as I didn't have the context* -- but I think other users in the community can leave these comments too, especially on the posts where they have an interest or feel strongly it can be improved. With that said, I'll keep doing that on posts where I think it has value." CreationDate="2014-09-19T03:22:41.723" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6630" PostId="2945" Score="2" Text="Different close reasons require slightly different skill sets to improve them. Some also require working with the askers directly, while others just require a creative editor. I like the idea of grouping posts by close reason." CreationDate="2014-09-20T03:20:11.860" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6616" PostId="2947" Score="2" Text="The 'scala' tag is indeed impressive :)" CreationDate="2014-09-18T14:46:25.100" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6619" PostId="2948" Score="0" Text="I am learning something new today, so it's a good day :)" CreationDate="2014-09-18T15:30:49.487" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6620" PostId="2948" Score="0" Text="@VietnhiPhuvan the &quot;career dev with boss not supporting&quot; question is one I very deliberately asked because for a while, and still, we got SO MANY questions which basically boiled down to &quot;my boss won't help me advance my career&quot; and the core problem in all of them was what I asked." CreationDate="2014-09-18T15:32:04.477" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6621" PostId="2948" Score="1" Text="It can also be fun to make these questions because it helps feel like we as a community are taking ownership of helping people. YMMV here, I find it pretty fulfilling." CreationDate="2014-09-18T15:34:04.647" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6638" PostId="2949" Score="3" Text="Nice catch! Do you have a suggestion of which tags to use for each? If you can come up with tags (and excerpts/descriptions), people can start re-tagging. I am more than happy to help out with creating the tags if needed, mind [edit]ing your question to include what you want to do about it? Thanks in advance!" CreationDate="2014-09-22T06:12:04.140" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6647" PostId="2951" Score="1" Text="see [How do I explain ${something} to ${someone}?](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/6630/31260) at Programmers meta" CreationDate="2014-10-07T11:45:40.977" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6648" PostId="2951" Score="1" Text="That's a good answer, but it's about explaining a concept to someone, not interpreting their individual situation to provide useful advice. For instance, it suggests &quot;Make sure you understand the subject you are trying to explain, at least to the level you are going to try to explain it to and one deeper.&quot; - that's simply not possible in the questions I'm referring to." CreationDate="2014-10-07T12:04:41.727" UserId="13947" />
  <row Id="6649" PostId="2951" Score="0" Text="yeah it doesn't directly apply to the question you asked here, only somewhat related" CreationDate="2014-10-07T12:10:24.093" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6650" PostId="2952" Score="0" Text="rephrasing like this suggests that asker provided an explanation what does &quot;desired result&quot; mean for them, right?" CreationDate="2014-10-07T14:08:10.293" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6651" PostId="2952" Score="0" Text="@gnat - probably not. Not all OPs know how to construct effective questions in English. Thus they say &quot;how do I ask&quot; when that's probably not what they actually mean or need to know." CreationDate="2014-10-07T16:01:17.073" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6652" PostId="2952" Score="1" Text="I see, thanks. What would you recommend in case when &quot;desired result&quot; part appears to be missing in the question?" CreationDate="2014-10-07T16:03:02.983" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6653" PostId="2952" Score="3" Text="@gnat - I recommend Comments seeking clarification from the OP." CreationDate="2014-10-07T16:40:10.680" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6654" PostId="2952" Score="0" Text="Sounds reasonable Joe, thanks - I find them frustrating as questions, but when you think about it the way you've suggested, the questions have more worth. I would still think a little more thought from the questioner might prevent the question having to be asked! :-)" CreationDate="2014-10-08T13:50:56.790" UserId="13947" />
  <row Id="6655" PostId="2952" Score="0" Text="@TrueDub - I find it frustrating too. I think the OPs need help, they just aren't sure how to ask for it properly. Rather than just close the question (which would lead them to leave, frustrated), I'd like to help them anyway. I tend to leave comments requesting clarification when needed, or just answer the question as I think they meant it." CreationDate="2014-10-08T14:11:13.023" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6656" PostId="2953" Score="1" Text="This should be probably asked in workplace meta" CreationDate="2014-10-09T08:06:24.593" UserId="27375" />
  <row Id="6657" PostId="2953" Score="3" Text="The reason your answers have been downvoted are probably the same reason that this question has been - you've not read or understood the [help]. For this particular question, see http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/answer-bans" CreationDate="2014-10-09T08:45:59.653" UserId="9164" />
  <row Id="6661" PostId="2960" Score="0" Text="[How to react when boss is disappointed...](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/31746) question somehow made me recall infamous [My boss slapped me over a calculation error](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/6464/168)" CreationDate="2014-10-20T07:38:44.633" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6662" PostId="2961" Score="1" Text="high rating per se doesn't reliably indicate usefulness, see eg [The Trouble With Popularity](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/)" CreationDate="2014-10-20T16:27:45.260" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6663" PostId="2961" Score="3" Text="I think especially for #8 it would be pretty easy to make a minor edit to change it from, &quot;is it ethical?&quot; to &quot;how can I determine if I can?&quot; which basically means all the answers there are 95% relevant still." CreationDate="2014-10-20T16:28:33.313" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6665" PostId="2961" Score="2" Text="General comment (not about those questions in particular): one tool we have available is the *historical lock*, which keeps a question on the site but (a) adds a notice saying &quot;this was good then but it doesn't match our current scope and (b) prevents further changes.  If that makes sense for any of the questions under review, please suggest it." CreationDate="2014-10-20T21:09:44.107" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6666" PostId="2961" Score="0" Text="As enderland mentioned, sometimes just a slight edit can fix a problem or at least make a stronger case for reopening.  If something is closed, if a slight edit bumps it into review queue where you and 4 other like minded individuals reopen it, then we've made the Internet and our site better." CreationDate="2014-10-20T21:51:59.337" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6667" PostId="2961" Score="2" Text="The goal of these reviews is to weed out unsalvageable content and also bring attention to things worth fixing.  Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2014-10-20T21:53:22.053" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6668" PostId="2961" Score="1" Text="I think the edit that was made to #8 (presumably as a result of this review) makes it fit this site.  I see three reopen votes there right now; can we get more?" CreationDate="2014-10-21T03:42:15.207" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6671" PostId="2961" Score="4" Text="#8 has been reopened." CreationDate="2014-10-23T18:56:07.793" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6673" PostId="2962" Score="3" Text="I think this is no longer too broad. The problem is now well-defined and Wesley's answer is great and still pertinent after your edits. Some of the other answers might need further work, but that should not prevent this from being reopened. I'd vote if I had re-open privileges." CreationDate="2014-10-27T23:17:10.313" UserId="19612" />
  <row Id="6674" PostId="2962" Score="1" Text="I'm going to make the executive decision that Matt, [Wesley](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2965/325), another reopen voter, possibly some others (depending on who voted for this), and I, in combination with the edit, are enough to reopen." CreationDate="2014-10-28T03:28:12.507" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6669" PostId="2963" Score="0" Text="Maybe ux.stackexchange.com ?" CreationDate="2014-10-21T13:52:45.023" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6672" PostId="2965" Score="2" Text="see http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2962/2322" CreationDate="2014-10-25T15:20:53.487" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6670" PostId="2966" Score="0" Text="Awesome, thanks!" CreationDate="2014-10-23T01:22:34.003" UserId="618" />
  <row Id="6678" PostId="2968" Score="4" Text="It's difficult. In a real workplace situation, you could recommend talking to HR, discussing it with your immediate manager during your weekly 1-on-1 meeting, etc. But these clearly don't apply to someone on a club in High School. Pretty much anything we could respond with might help with some vague future reader in some generic way, but wouldn't help with the real OP's question. I think the question has very low value here." CreationDate="2014-11-07T14:29:29.367" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6677" PostId="2969" Score="3" Text="Your point was well taken and I modified the question to remove the &quot;school&quot; references." CreationDate="2014-11-06T18:05:36.580" UserId="12635" />
  <row Id="6683" PostId="2975" Score="0" Text="For what it's worth, you were right." CreationDate="2014-11-10T23:47:02.133" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6684" PostId="2975" Score="0" Text="Bharal: You deserve an up vote for your deleted answer; but I obviously can't up vote a deleted answer, so why don't you pick one of your other answers so I can up vote that one to compensate." CreationDate="2014-11-10T23:51:49.120" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6685" PostId="2975" Score="0" Text="Bharal: I just upvoted this one: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/36052/437" CreationDate="2014-11-11T04:09:55.247" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6682" PostId="2976" Score="0" Text="what, ah, &quot;bit&quot; of the section did i violate? i don't think i was rude to the OP of the post in question. i didn't use vulgar terms. i intended no bigotry, but if my use of the term &quot;autistic&quot; came across that way, let me know so i can 1. not do that again, 2. edit the question to remove that term." CreationDate="2014-11-10T18:44:14.340" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="6686" PostId="2976" Score="6" Text="&quot;if my use of the term &quot;autistic&quot; came across that way, let me know so i can 1. not do that again&quot; - yeah, don't do that again." CreationDate="2014-11-11T20:54:38.583" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6681" PostId="2977" Score="0" Text="this is a reason to downvote the answer though, not a reason to delete it?" CreationDate="2014-11-10T18:43:07.817" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="7100" PostId="2979" Score="55" Text="As I see it, people who can't get along with other are one of main reasons for the very existence of this site. So naturally we become a number of such people here at _the Workplace_. Practising what we preach here can very well become the proof of the purpose of this site, which is nice." CreationDate="2015-04-29T13:03:10.477" UserId="18685" />
  <row Id="6702" PostId="2981" Score="1" Text="Is there some other goal than &quot;have some fun in a  lighthearted way&quot;? Has anyone conducted a poll after the fact to try and see if the community found it accomplished the desired goal?" CreationDate="2014-11-19T15:58:12.250" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6703" PostId="2981" Score="1" Text="Yay! Yay! Yay! Yay! I loved the hats. Far too much. I can't explain it..." CreationDate="2014-11-19T16:03:08.247" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="6704" PostId="2981" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere it doesn't look like anybody's conducted a poll *here*, but if you go over to Meta.SE and look through the &quot;winterbash&quot; tags (there's one for each year), you'll see lots of discussion there." CreationDate="2014-11-19T16:19:42.117" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6705" PostId="2981" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - thanks!" CreationDate="2014-11-19T16:52:35.037" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6723" PostId="2981" Score="0" Text="Sounds awesome!" CreationDate="2014-11-28T23:54:54.693" UserId="5229" />
  <row Id="6720" PostId="2982" Score="2" Text="The voting seems pretty clear.  I signed us up." CreationDate="2014-11-27T01:58:41.653" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6722" PostId="2982" Score="0" Text="LESS TALKING MORE HATS-ING" CreationDate="2014-11-28T16:37:35.973" UserId="28766" />
  <row Id="6719" PostId="2983" Score="3" Text="And feel mighty envious..." CreationDate="2014-11-27T00:56:41.747" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="6706" PostId="2985" Score="0" Text="Multi line comment so you can see this happening: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco" CreationDate="2014-11-21T20:38:44.150" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="6711" PostId="2985" Score="0" Text="There is no question here. Do you think this is a problem?" CreationDate="2014-11-24T10:22:43.400" UserId="29196" />
  <row Id="6712" PostId="2985" Score="0" Text="@Bernhard I did add the [meta-tag:bug] tag - I think that this is a problem as it doesn't fit with other site's designs - for no practical reason." CreationDate="2014-11-24T10:37:38.967" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="6729" PostId="2987" Score="1" Text="possible duplicate of [What &quot;comments&quot; are not . . .](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not)" CreationDate="2014-12-02T14:50:21.740" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6707" PostId="2988" Score="4" Text="Thank you. Appreciate the explanation. Per your suggestion here, I've submitted an edit incorporating that information. (It has to be approved, of course.) I've also deleted my most recent comment, as it strayed into the debate you mentioned." CreationDate="2014-11-23T23:46:20.040" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="6708" PostId="2988" Score="5" Text="@jpmc26 thanks for the edit.  Approved.  And thanks for understanding.  The Workplace has something of a comments problem, and I hadn't noticed that a new user might be surprised by this." CreationDate="2014-11-24T00:46:56.753" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6709" PostId="2988" Score="3" Text="I can see why that might be the case. I come from StackOverflow, where the issues we tend to face are more concrete. Workplace is by its very nature somewhat more opinionated and appeals to a wider audience, so I can see why you'd need to be a bit more Draconian with comments. My apologies for any trouble I caused." CreationDate="2014-11-24T04:26:07.530" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="6710" PostId="2988" Score="2" Text="Oh, it's no trouble -- I would much rather that people ask about something that makes them confused or unhappy instead of just either walking away or stewing about it." CreationDate="2014-11-24T04:32:14.953" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6713" PostId="2988" Score="3" Text="@jpmc26 Just a note from another of the mods, we get a lot of comments flagged and end up deleting trains of comments somewhat often. These tend to have many comments (we regularly delete 10+ comment threads). We are bound to hit some good comments in the crossfire, especially in the longer threads which are completely off topic or in many cases inappropriate. Thanks for asking about it here and showing grace!" CreationDate="2014-11-24T22:12:02.593" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6714" PostId="2989" Score="1" Text="single question to cover both lightweight hobbies and important stuff may be too broad, I can easily imagine _two_ canonical questions (properly cross-linked for convenience of readers) instead of one" CreationDate="2014-11-25T17:17:57.927" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6715" PostId="2989" Score="0" Text="There's also the newb vs professional vs professional changing careers. I would prefer to see some of the existing question(s) broadened to _actually_ answer another question rather than simply closing as dupe however." CreationDate="2014-11-25T18:10:11.033" UserId="2196" />
  <row Id="6717" PostId="2989" Score="0" Text="...upon further thinking, I _yield_ to stratification suggested by @Telastyn above. Split by &quot;target audience&quot;, as in newbie-vs-experienced job seeker feels more productive than by the type of projects" CreationDate="2014-11-25T19:39:29.110" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6716" PostId="2990" Score="4" Text="Is there a way to structure a question such that a comprehensive question and can be answered somewhat like [this answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/907/2322)?" CreationDate="2014-11-25T19:18:52.510" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6721" PostId="2992" Score="2" Text="if the question gets reopened, yet another edit will be needed to wipe out &quot;This question has been put on hold&quot; phrase, otherwise it may confuse readers (FWIW I voted reopen)" CreationDate="2014-11-27T17:55:41.540" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6724" PostId="2992" Score="1" Text="Thank y'all, @gnat and Monica.  Monica, I've gone ahead and rewritten the question." CreationDate="2014-11-29T00:34:13.063" UserId="12532" />
  <row Id="6725" PostId="2992" Score="4" Text="@Panzercrisis I just cast the last reopen vote with some minor edits - awesome work rewriting the question!" CreationDate="2014-11-29T14:44:11.963" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6726" PostId="2992" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @enderland." CreationDate="2014-11-29T16:03:30.430" UserId="12532" />
  <row Id="6727" PostId="2992" Score="4" Text="@Panzercrisis, I want to echo what enderland said.  Great job on the rewrite!  Thanks for working with us on this." CreationDate="2014-11-29T23:33:12.530" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6730" PostId="2993" Score="0" Text="_disturbing female dressing_ was closed because [&quot;That is a terrible question&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/238594/how-many-questions-escape-community-protection-because-of-reputation-gained-with?noredirect=1#comment799457_238594)" CreationDate="2014-12-03T09:07:10.487" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6731" PostId="2993" Score="3" Text="@gnat, ? It was actually put on hold (pending possible improvements) for the reason I quoted, not a vague and ambiguous &quot;terrible&quot;....unless that is somehow a joke that I am cluelessly missing.rather" CreationDate="2014-12-03T16:35:38.687" UserId="8769" />
  <row Id="6741" PostId="2993" Score="0" Text="this refers comment of a guy who closed that question... and also [answered to your question, right here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2994/168)" CreationDate="2014-12-03T20:59:02.103" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6742" PostId="2993" Score="2" Text="@PaulDraper, thank you for raising this issue; I had not seen the closure before your post.  I appreciate knowing about it so we could address it.  I'm sorry you had to spend the time compiling all that data." CreationDate="2014-12-03T23:48:36.510" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6748" PostId="2993" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio, no problem. I just wanted to make the case that Workplace should be different than Skeptics, Mathematics, or Stack Overflow in the level of objectivity it requires. I hope future visitors will also agree with me." CreationDate="2014-12-04T21:51:24.857" UserId="8769" />
  <row Id="6732" PostId="2994" Score="0" Text="did you consider site-specific close reasons listed in [help/on-topic]? (&quot;advice on what to do...&quot; / &quot;focus on ranting...&quot;)" CreationDate="2014-12-03T17:13:29.997" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6733" PostId="2994" Score="1" Text="Thanks for a thoughtful answer. I agree with much of what you say in general, though I find Workplace to be different and inherently subjective. *&quot;'How can I deal with this?' ...is not an answerable question.&quot;* Should I flag/close each of the questions listed?" CreationDate="2014-12-03T17:40:21.323" UserId="8769" />
  <row Id="6734" PostId="2994" Score="1" Text="Close **or edit**, @Paul - if there's a good answer and you can suss out a more specific question, you may wish to salvage some of these instead. Also, be sure and read past the title: [this one](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/10249/how-do-i-deal-with-a-team-member-that-keeps-taking-on-tasks-that-he-cannot-solve) sounds pretty awful, but he does go on to state a more specific goal as well as outline what he's tried and how it has worked out." CreationDate="2014-12-03T17:48:31.773" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="6735" PostId="2994" Score="1" Text="Great post - I agree with almost all of it.  One issue I'd take is with the &quot;How can I deal with...&quot; indicating a question that can't elicit very good, very *rankable* answers. I agree that they almost always need a lot of detail about what you do and don't want to achieve, but we often see advice like that lead to really broad application.  Frankly, a huge percent of question on TWP could  be titled that way, and I think you're talking about a much narrower subset than comes through." CreationDate="2014-12-03T18:05:03.313" UserId="2173" />
  <row Id="6736" PostId="2994" Score="0" Text="See my reply to Paul, @Jaydles - it's always important to read past the title; there are plenty of questions that appear ill-defined at first glance but go on to outline a specific goal and constraints. It's the ones that never build on that title that tend to lead to problems." CreationDate="2014-12-03T18:35:39.207" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="6737" PostId="2994" Score="1" Text="@Shog9, yeah, I know what you're getting at. But it doesn't read nearly as clearly as what looks like &quot;How can I deal with this&quot; questions are no good.  It's the kind of thing we sometimes see quoted without the other nuance...  (You still got my upvote; I just might make it clearer that you're talking about something a lot more specific than &quot;how can I deal with...?&quot; which describes, well, most questions on anything. :)" CreationDate="2014-12-03T18:39:19.247" UserId="2173" />
  <row Id="6738" PostId="2994" Score="0" Text="See edit, @Jaydles." CreationDate="2014-12-03T19:06:26.803" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="6750" PostId="2994" Score="0" Text="Congratulations for nuking my answer. So far as I am concerned, you engaged in a high handed act of vandalism and censorship and you simultaneously showed utter disrespect to the 60 individuals who upvoted my answer. I can't wait for you to repeat your stunt." CreationDate="2014-12-05T01:47:12.500" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6754" PostId="2994" Score="0" Text="@gnat If Shog thinks that suppressing answers he don't like will suppress the fact that people who act and think the way I do exist and that the point of view expressed in my answer is not widely shared, then good luck with his concept." CreationDate="2014-12-05T16:57:28.810" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6757" PostId="2994" Score="1" Text="@VietnhiPhuvan &quot;get over it&quot; is right up there with &quot;get a new job&quot; IMO, hence my downvote. Also, the bulk of it was an anecdote about you looking at nude art, which I don't see the point of." CreationDate="2014-12-05T21:34:32.737" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6759" PostId="2994" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCello The fact is, close to 60 other people upvoted my answer because they saw the point of it. And I put that anecdote in in the first place because I saw the point of it. Which part if &quot;you give women respect no matter what they wear and you give them respect even if they are nude&quot; is pointless? Tell me." CreationDate="2014-12-05T22:35:11.137" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6739" PostId="2996" Score="3" Text="Your [other answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2995/8769) is quite good. There is is the sort of question that is &quot;pure&quot; opinion, e.g. what do you prefer. Then there is the sort of question that while still subjective, has answers grounded in basic human understanding, reasonable standards of behavior, etc. The bar might be different than it is on other sites (an answer on Skeptics should be almost entirely reference-based), but the bar still exists." CreationDate="2014-12-03T19:13:01.070" UserId="8769" />
  <row Id="6743" PostId="2996" Score="2" Text="I agree with this. Good summary of my thoughts too." CreationDate="2014-12-04T03:16:12.163" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6744" PostId="2997" Score="0" Text="IOW, post clamped [school of thought](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/238594/how-many-questions-escape-community-protection-because-of-reputation-gained-with) is not a begging like &quot;oh please dear system, save us, otherwise we all die&quot;, not even close. It's more like a simple note, &quot;hey system, if you intend to help us, consider checking whether you do it as intended&quot;" CreationDate="2014-12-04T16:25:09.923" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6753" PostId="2998" Score="7" Text="All good points, IMHO." CreationDate="2014-12-05T16:14:08.173" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6755" PostId="2998" Score="4" Text="If someone asked what is the difference between inside sales and outside sales, would that also be off-topic here?  How about an HR related question?" CreationDate="2014-12-05T17:23:14.127" UserId="3369" />
  <row Id="6760" PostId="2998" Score="0" Text="Good points overall, but Agile methodologies are not confined to software development nowadays http://pm.stackexchange.com/questions/1470/agile-methodologies-such-as-scrum-in-non-software-development-projects" CreationDate="2014-12-06T12:20:51.793" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="6761" PostId="2998" Score="0" Text="@Andy i'm not a moderator, so i don't have any authority ~ but i'd imagine that that inside/outside sales question (whatever that is) should be off topic, as it doesn't relate to the scope as defined as i write this." CreationDate="2014-12-06T13:12:18.700" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="6762" PostId="2998" Score="0" Text="@Andy inside vs outside sales is a very USA specific term" CreationDate="2014-12-07T12:52:02.773" UserId="19290" />
  <row Id="6763" PostId="2998" Score="0" Text="@Pepone and relieving letters are specific to India yet those aren't closed here, so what's your point?" CreationDate="2014-12-07T18:16:30.483" UserId="3369" />
  <row Id="6764" PostId="2998" Score="0" Text="@Andy well probably most of those relieving letter ones should be closed and inside vs outside is all about us law defines exempt vs non exempt which is a a legal q and b very specific to a single country" CreationDate="2014-12-07T18:35:54.003" UserId="19290" />
  <row Id="6774" PostId="2998" Score="0" Text="Agile is definately not only software based.  I worked for a major insurance company until end last year, everyone from senior management team down used agile, you could see the standups around the buildings each morning." CreationDate="2014-12-14T01:32:17.033" UserId="4937" />
  <row Id="6776" PostId="2998" Score="1" Text="related: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/574/industry-specific-tags-and-localisation" CreationDate="2014-12-16T10:28:53.477" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6746" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="oh, good to know. i didn't want to jump in and edit the question (for review q) to be more general without  some sort of understanding that that would be the appropriate course of action." CreationDate="2014-12-04T21:21:33.930" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="6747" PostId="2999" Score="2" Text="I endorse this approach.  Almost all SE sites walk a balance between &quot;too generic&quot; and &quot;too specific&quot;, but if an industry-specific question can be edited to still be *about the workplace issue* without being *about that specific industry*, that's a good edit.  Software developers, plumbers, schoolteachers, and doctors (to throw out just a few) should be able to come to The Workplace for answers to their workplace questions." CreationDate="2014-12-04T21:32:54.313" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6749" PostId="2999" Score="2" Text="@bharal I generally leave a comment when I significantly alter the question (like [this one](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/37069/how-to-gain-visibility-when-overloaded-with-less-important-tasks#comment93052_37069)) which are almost always received well. If you do that and want the edit to go through drop by [chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler) and link to the post, generally a few folks are around and can fast track the treview, too :)" CreationDate="2014-12-04T21:59:45.863" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6769" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="+1. [Here is a new question that seems to me to fall in the &quot;can't be meaningfully generalized beyond development&quot; category.](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/38447/programming-in-c-on-a-whiteboard-in-interviews) I'd vote for migrating this. How do other people think about this? (Do we need a &quot;belongs on another site --&gt; programmers.SE&quot; flag?)" CreationDate="2014-12-12T09:49:56.547" UserId="17125" />
  <row Id="6775" PostId="2999" Score="2" Text="I think this is spot on, we need to guide users and find the raw (I.e. non-industry specific) question amongst what's added by the OP.  You could equally argue the site is too US specific, and I've certainly had answers I've given been changed (in text AND meaning) to suit.  For example I answered a UK poster on going AWOL from a job without resigning, it was changed to say it was OK as it was at-will employment, which was wrong in the UK (and the change had multiple approvers, the changer didn't have enough rep to just do it themselves)." CreationDate="2014-12-14T10:19:18.007" UserId="4937" />
  <row Id="6785" PostId="2999" Score="0" Text="@StephanKolassa Please read my answer to this question. As a moderator on Programmers I have a very strong opinion about migrating questions from the Workplace." CreationDate="2014-12-18T17:41:13.490" UserId="70" />
  <row Id="6752" PostId="3000" Score="0" Text="I don't have time to flesh this out at the minute, but I can return later to improve it if people are interested. :-)" CreationDate="2014-12-05T12:55:22.197" UserDisplayName="user29632" />
  <row Id="6765" PostId="3001" Score="2" Text="This one is a pretty good duplicate for many of them? http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/111/2322  Is that what you are looking for?" CreationDate="2014-12-08T16:51:07.133" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6766" PostId="3001" Score="0" Text="That's certainly a good example to tag them as a duplicate of: although I was more wondering whether we can prevent more of them coming in" CreationDate="2014-12-08T16:53:33.740" UserId="28766" />
  <row Id="6767" PostId="3001" Score="3" Text="I can't flesh this out for a full answer, but I'm not sure we can. A lot of people aren't going to read anything or do any research and I think in these situations it's probably best to close them as duplicates, faster. People universally don't generally read FAQs/etc and so as a community we basically have to help people people craft questions, etc, and pull out the gems and bury the.. not gems." CreationDate="2014-12-08T17:09:04.477" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6768" PostId="3001" Score="5" Text="In addition, people tend to think that their individual experience is unique - that there is something special about their particular situation that doesn't fit the general case, and thus deserves new attention." CreationDate="2014-12-08T19:53:10.560" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6770" PostId="3006" Score="0" Text="related: [Off topic questions have to be cleared out of the way, but NOT via closure](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/251897/839601)" CreationDate="2014-12-12T12:34:01.403" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6772" PostId="3006" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere i didn't want to assume that the OP was using us all as his or her personal guinea pigs." CreationDate="2014-12-13T01:41:51.757" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="6773" PostId="3006" Score="2" Text="I just cleaned up this question and actually put a temporary lock on it." CreationDate="2014-12-13T16:03:34.577" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6777" PostId="3007" Score="1" Text="Our policy is long-established; I'm not sure what you're hoping to gain by posting this here now, years later.  And I think it's already established that logic is a fine way to back up an answer; &quot;back it up&quot; doesn't just mean &quot;cite published sources&quot;.  As for your examples, Jesus, Ben, and Confucius would likely get downvoted to oblivion if they took the approaches you suggest without *also* doing something more credible.  (Also, I've seen those examples before; where else have you posted them?)" CreationDate="2014-12-16T19:49:23.373" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6778" PostId="3007" Score="0" Text="@Monica Cellio: What? What do you mean by, &quot;What do I hope to gain?&quot; I saw a related question, so I posted a related answer. Merry Christmas!" CreationDate="2014-12-17T00:38:52.693" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6779" PostId="3007" Score="0" Text="I didn't mean that to sound rude - &quot;accomplish&quot; would have been a better word. I'm just puzzled by this answer *here*, *now* when our policy is established. Sorry if you took offense; not intended." CreationDate="2014-12-17T00:43:32.093" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6780" PostId="3007" Score="0" Text="@Monica Cellio: Ah. I see. I honestly saw this question listed as a related question to another one that I was viewing. I recognized it as a near duplicate of one that I had previously responded to, so I copied and pasted my answer. Nothing more." CreationDate="2014-12-17T00:44:31.813" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6782" PostId="3008" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure this would be the best site for the canonical answer itself.  Perhaps the question could be asked here as CW, but linked and locked to the canonical Programmers.SE question. … On second thought, I suppose it depends on how general you want the question/answer to be." CreationDate="2014-12-17T21:51:16.270" UserId="8260" />
  <row Id="6781" PostId="3009" Score="1" Text="+0, but this really would be better as a comment…" CreationDate="2014-12-17T21:49:25.743" UserId="8260" />
  <row Id="6787" PostId="3009" Score="1" Text="@SeanAllred Meta sites work differently, though. On a main site, this should almost certainly have been a comment. Here, it's a legitimate &quot;I don't think what's described in the question is a problem&quot; type of answer." CreationDate="2014-12-18T20:08:27.540" UserId="294" />
  <row Id="6788" PostId="3009" Score="0" Text="@MichaelKjörling perhaps here, this is the case. Vote count would show evidence to the contrary, though. (Again, +0)" CreationDate="2014-12-19T14:09:00.160" UserId="8260" />
  <row Id="6789" PostId="3009" Score="1" Text="@SeanAllred Not really. Meta site voting, particularly on [discussion] questions, can just as easily indicate agreement or disagreement with the point made. So the fact that a few people have downvoted this may just mean that a few people disagree with the point made." CreationDate="2014-12-19T14:24:12.000" UserId="294" />
  <row Id="6790" PostId="3009" Score="1" Text="@MichaelKjörling This is true in part -- trust me that I'm aware of how the model works :P For truly negligent answers though, `-1` will often be a note that the answer needs work. On Meta, it would note that the opinion needs to be expanded on or backed up." CreationDate="2014-12-19T14:32:14.790" UserId="8260" />
  <row Id="6804" PostId="3010" Score="0" Text="Related on MSE: http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/246018/162102" CreationDate="2014-12-23T16:54:10.803" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6783" PostId="3011" Score="0" Text="Ah, I see. I think it's mostly one person." CreationDate="2014-12-17T22:17:06.180" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6786" PostId="3011" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere Yes, I've seen a string of 20 edits at once from one particular user. They almost never add anything substantial to the question." CreationDate="2014-12-18T18:32:20.877" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="6792" PostId="3013" Score="0" Text="Ha! I know who cast that delete vote!" CreationDate="2014-12-19T22:56:15.220" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6797" PostId="3013" Score="0" Text="@JimG - Who is that?" CreationDate="2014-12-22T15:37:06.887" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6805" PostId="3013" Score="0" Text="update: question has been deleted, most likely by [roomba script](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/177675/165773)" CreationDate="2014-12-28T19:14:21.303" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6791" PostId="3014" Score="1" Text="related: [Aggressive Edits](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2153/168) -- &quot;When I can see a core question that I think will help the person asking, I make those edits, because I think a question that benefits the asker will be good for them, and good for The Workplace...&quot;" CreationDate="2014-12-19T21:03:15.720" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6798" PostId="3014" Score="2" Text="The question is not real... just like the last one was not real.  There is nothing we can do to help here." CreationDate="2014-12-22T15:38:12.250" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6806" PostId="3014" Score="1" Text="The question was later automatically deleted as abandoned (the Roomba).  Anybody who still wants to try to save it should probably just start over." CreationDate="2014-12-28T19:17:00.913" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6794" PostId="3016" Score="0" Text="What about blocking edits to very old questions that already have an accepted answer?" CreationDate="2014-12-21T23:47:30.807" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6795" PostId="3016" Score="4" Text="@JoeStrazzere then what should we do when accepted answers cease to be correct (or maybe were never correct in the first place)?  Acceptance just means the OP liked it; it doesn't mean the question was fully or correctly answered, which is why we also don't auto-close questions with accepted answers.  There's always room for improvement." CreationDate="2014-12-21T23:52:35.977" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6796" PostId="3016" Score="2" Text="I understand. Sounds like we can always have edits to very old questions, although for me, the recent &quot;improvements&quot; added no value at all." CreationDate="2014-12-22T00:02:18.687" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6799" PostId="3016" Score="0" Text="Alternatively, we could suggest something like this to the SE people: editing a question only bumps it if it is less than x days old. Or: you get a tick box when editing, saying &quot;bump this question&quot;, which is unticked by default. Would this make sense?" CreationDate="2014-12-22T19:48:20.790" UserId="17125" />
  <row Id="6800" PostId="3016" Score="0" Text="There have been various requests to be able to edit without bumping (e.g. if you only changed tags, if you only made minor formatting changes, etc).  They have always been declined AFAIK, and for good reason: the opportunity for community review is important and wouldn't happen otherwise.  *You* may say your change is minor and doesn't change anything, but you could be wrong.  Or you could be a lying spammer (not you *personally*, you understand, but some generic &quot;you&quot;)." CreationDate="2014-12-22T19:51:48.287" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6801" PostId="3016" Score="0" Text="So we'll have folks decide to &quot;clean up&quot; very old posts, and they will always bump up to the top. Ok by me. It's annoying, and tends to crowd out the new stuff, but so be it." CreationDate="2014-12-23T16:15:56.207" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6802" PostId="3016" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere well, that's why I'd like everybody to try to be more careful about how *much* of this we do (or approve, in reviews).  I don't think we're going to change the underlying system and there are some good reasons for it being set up the way it is, and unfortunately that allows people to go wild and mess up the site.  So let's try to reduce that.  Not an ideal answer, I know, but it's the best I can offer." CreationDate="2014-12-23T16:18:51.410" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6803" PostId="3016" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - got it, thanks." CreationDate="2014-12-23T16:26:14.280" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6812" PostId="3016" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio How about adding a new review queue to handle edits of old posts? If I edit an old post to make any correction, put it in the review queue where users with sufficient reputation can choose to A. reject the edit B. accept the edit, without bumping C. accept the edit with bumping. If 5 users choose option C, then bump it. I don't know if this has already been suggested (and declined) on SE." CreationDate="2014-12-30T03:35:00.480" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="6813" PostId="3016" Score="0" Text="@Happy I don't think I've seen such a feature request, though I haven't searched Meta.SE (which would be the place to look).  Please feel free to write that up as a feature request, either here or there." CreationDate="2014-12-30T03:37:13.113" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6815" PostId="3018" Score="0" Text="The question isn't directly for me, it came up in conversation with a relative, I had specifics for him being a young engineer. I removed the details because I figured it made the question too narrow and thus was more of advice which was off topic. Thanks for mentioning the workplace chat I didn't know about that, I may use it for next time." CreationDate="2014-12-31T15:58:09.743" UserId="27635" />
  <row Id="6808" PostId="3019" Score="4" Text="I'm trying to understand your last paragraph.  Do you really see downvotes and closures as an indication of snark, or have I misunderstood?  (If you see snark in the form of rude comments, please flag them.)" CreationDate="2014-12-29T18:45:49.523" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6809" PostId="3019" Score="6" Text="To me, large-scale downvoting, especially without comment or obvious cause, is either a small number of angry people, or a herd-mentality of cliquish, &quot;snarky&quot; people.   I'm open to other interpretations.  (I just counted, and on the front page, fully 20 of 40 questions shown are closed for one reason or another. 16 questions have Negative scores.  Other sites do not seem to have nearly these ratios)" CreationDate="2014-12-29T18:55:11.023" UserId="30630" />
  <row Id="6811" PostId="3019" Score="5" Text="Are any of those 16 questions undeserving of their downvotes? If yes, you can achieve a lot more by explaining why you think these questions are good questions for the site, instead of this vague rant." CreationDate="2014-12-30T01:12:13.197" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="6814" PostId="3019" Score="2" Text="Related:http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1627/437" CreationDate="2014-12-30T12:01:04.993" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6807" PostId="3020" Score="5" Text="I think the improve-and-reopen cycle is also taking a little longer just at the moment because many users are busy with other seasonal concerns." CreationDate="2014-12-29T18:44:58.087" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6810" PostId="3020" Score="0" Text="I wonder how many of recent troublesome questions are simply dumped at us by [Kofia hat](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/245658/165773) hunters: &quot;first post on a specific Stack Exchange site, which has to take place in those days...&quot;" CreationDate="2014-12-29T22:06:45.550" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6820" PostId="3020" Score="0" Text="@gnat: Ha! That's funny. But the answer to your question is 'No. Not a chance.'" CreationDate="2015-01-01T16:44:48.160" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6831" PostId="3020" Score="0" Text="@JimG. I don't understand you" CreationDate="2015-01-02T20:54:34.927" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6832" PostId="3020" Score="0" Text="@Gnat: Kofu hats have nothing to do with it. You're thinking too hard." CreationDate="2015-01-02T21:04:10.910" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6833" PostId="3020" Score="0" Text="@JimG. I still don't understand. I referred and quoted hat description, have you read it? &quot;first post on a specific Stack Exchange site, which has to take place in those days...&quot;" CreationDate="2015-01-02T21:05:35.790" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6863" PostId="3020" Score="0" Text="I actually have people down vote me just because of my name." CreationDate="2015-01-11T18:29:52.627" UserId="19588" />
  <row Id="6865" PostId="3020" Score="0" Text="Because a lot of workplace questions are &quot;Opinion based&quot; and the community hasn't quite decided where the dividing line is yet between relevant questions and those which are &quot;**Primarily** opinion based&quot;." CreationDate="2015-01-12T13:42:32.687" UserId="28766" />
  <row Id="6818" PostId="3022" Score="0" Text="[question timeline](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/38910/timeline) shows that there was only one accept. Your [reputation tab](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/30062/anthony?tab=reputation) seems to show the same (see +2 events from accepting)" CreationDate="2015-01-01T12:55:21.057" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6819" PostId="3022" Score="0" Text="@gnat Okay, but even so, why would the answer with the higher up votes be below the answer with the lesser up votes?" CreationDate="2015-01-01T14:32:51.250" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="6821" PostId="3022" Score="2" Text="Every user can decide to sort answers by active/oldest/vote. I may not see them in the same order you do." CreationDate="2015-01-01T19:33:50.790" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="6822" PostId="3022" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/110465/165773" CreationDate="2015-01-01T20:23:41.923" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6817" PostId="3023" Score="0" Text="Wow. Not a second to spare. It's not even 2015 in the Eastern time zone in the US!" CreationDate="2015-01-01T03:36:25.340" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6888" PostId="3023" Score="0" Text="Would an office collaboration tool (free open source) be acceptable here? I was thinking of adding http://NemakiWare.com" CreationDate="2015-01-29T05:55:13.283" UserId="19737" />
  <row Id="8277" PostId="3023" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Community Promotion Ads - 2016](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3470/community-promotion-ads-2016)" CreationDate="2016-01-28T03:50:03.783" UserId="13185" />
  <row Id="8280" PostId="3023" Score="0" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this has become out-dated" CreationDate="2016-01-29T06:37:07.067" UserId="40657" />
  <row Id="6816" PostId="3024" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting." CreationDate="2015-01-01T03:14:34.037" UserId="154" />
  <row Id="6823" PostId="3026" Score="3" Text="This is a repost of the ad [posted late in 2014](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2966/325)." CreationDate="2015-01-01T22:55:40.293" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6870" PostId="3026" Score="0" Text="Thanks for reposting the AD!" CreationDate="2015-01-13T15:29:55.877" UserId="618" />
  <row Id="8263" PostId="3026" Score="0" Text="@blunders can somebody from your community rework this ad for the new size requirements (300 x 250) and post to [this year's ads question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/3470/325), assuming you're still interested in the publicity?  Thanks." CreationDate="2016-01-19T21:27:55.447" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6824" PostId="3027" Score="2" Text="This is a repost of last year's ad, but I think it'd be nice to spruce it up some, maybe tweak the graphics so it doesn't fade into the background quite so much.  Also, this is a good time to review the linked post." CreationDate="2015-01-01T22:57:52.390" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7237" PostId="3027" Score="1" Text="It should be better posted to other SE the here." CreationDate="2015-05-22T05:32:44.860" UserId="14209" />
  <row Id="7238" PostId="3027" Score="0" Text="@AnkitSharma good point.  Any thoughts on which ones?  (Graduated sites only; betas don't get community ads.)" CreationDate="2015-05-22T13:10:05.447" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7239" PostId="3027" Score="0" Text="i think programming site will work better." CreationDate="2015-05-22T13:25:18.800" UserId="14209" />
  <row Id="7240" PostId="3027" Score="0" Text="@AnkitSharma that makes sense.  To make that happen, somebody who's active on Programmers would need to post this ad on their community-ads post (their analogue of this question).  If anybody does that, please leave a comment here with the link." CreationDate="2015-05-22T14:03:42.500" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7241" PostId="3027" Score="0" Text="done on [DBA](http://meta.dba.stackexchange.com/questions/1203/community-promotion-ads-2015/1258#1258), [programmers](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/7070/community-promotion-ads-2015/7383#7383) and [superuser](http://meta.superuser.com/questions/9012/community-promotion-ads-2015/9370#9370). Its a different factor that i am active in none of them ;). Now you need to get support on this. I think it can done on many other se sites too. Can't think now." CreationDate="2015-05-22T14:21:58.970" UserId="14209" />
  <row Id="6828" PostId="3028" Score="6" Text="I'm considering deleting the whole question, since the OP rejected the heroic edit that made the question ok.  The current form of the question, let alone the accepted answer, is a problem." CreationDate="2015-01-02T17:53:21.033" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6876" PostId="3028" Score="1" Text="Linked question is: &quot;This question was removed from The Workplace Stack Exchange for reasons of moderation&quot;" CreationDate="2015-01-15T10:34:44.303" UserId="26969" />
  <row Id="6880" PostId="3028" Score="1" Text="@Sempie http://dluat.com/is-there-a-standard-or-professional-way-to-call-off-because-youre-too-drunk-to-drive-in-to-work/" CreationDate="2015-01-20T20:50:25.860" UserId="9218" />
  <row Id="6829" PostId="3029" Score="0" Text="You have enough reputation to case a close vote.  (It's possible that a timer is still running and you can't *yet*, but please check back in a day or two if so.)" CreationDate="2015-01-02T19:55:05.733" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6830" PostId="3029" Score="1" Text="BTW, my thoughts about deletion are because of the question itself." CreationDate="2015-01-02T19:55:38.610" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6835" PostId="3029" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio: OK. Good to know. Thanks. Happy New Year!" CreationDate="2015-01-03T00:45:10.547" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6836" PostId="3029" Score="2" Text="-1 because the accepted answer tends to look like the &quot;sentiments of the site&quot; to any random search engine visitor. It's one thing to endorse a flawed math proof or bad algorithm, another something wholly unprofessional when, as I concur, the site is about professionalism." CreationDate="2015-01-03T18:40:53.233" UserDisplayName="user1084" />
  <row Id="6843" PostId="3029" Score="0" Text="@AAA &quot;because the accepted answer tends to look like the &quot;sentiments of the site&quot; to any random search engine visitor.&quot; Right. So are you suggesting that the original poster not be allowed to choose the Accepted Answer?" CreationDate="2015-01-05T15:43:48.523" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6846" PostId="3029" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I think the system works fine enough 99% of the time. We &quot;endorse&quot; something that is mostly correct, maybe a little incorrect, with votes and further answers to qualify or supplement it, and this scaled really well to programming Q&amp;A, and now to others. So yes, but I think professionalism is cross the line where we should intervene and so far the only time I've felt we should do something out of the ordinary. Deleting the question did the trick though, so I'm making an entirely academic point by now. Wanted to explain my views, but I think the course of action was good." CreationDate="2015-01-05T18:16:15.487" UserDisplayName="user1084" />
  <row Id="6856" PostId="3029" Score="0" Text="@AAA In the spirit of how StackExchange is supposed to work, wouldn't downvoting the accepted answer to oblivion be the right thing to do? A -20 answer would pretty clear show that a lot of people disapprove." CreationDate="2015-01-09T22:41:57.020" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="6857" PostId="3029" Score="0" Text="@jpmc26 this is a weird corner case where a visitor might not automatically know what &quot;the spirit of StackExchange&quot; is. Any content host goes through this - YouTube, Reddit, etc. and they have to decide the line where, gee, truly awful user content *does* reflect badly on the organization even if that's how the system is set up to work (e.g. YouTube pulling ISIS terrorism propaganda.)" CreationDate="2015-01-09T23:04:28.903" UserDisplayName="user1084" />
  <row Id="6871" PostId="3031" Score="0" Text="While there's no professional way to get into that situation in the first place, there is a professional way to deal with it: be honest and admit what you did. If the problem was just a matter of driving and not a matter of performing one's job functions (I can't think of many jobs where being drunk is ok, but hypothetically...,) you could call a cab, get a friend to drive you, or use some other such alternative form of transportation to get to work." CreationDate="2015-01-14T19:22:17.413" UserId="17337" />
  <row Id="6837" PostId="3032" Score="9" Text="Please flag rude comments when you see them.  (Maybe you are already, but this is a general request.)  The mods don't see every comment automatically, so please help us out so we can clean up inappropriate stuff." CreationDate="2015-01-04T01:40:14.153" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6838" PostId="3032" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [test failed: a question from unregistered, 0-score account](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2687/test-failed-a-question-from-unregistered-0-score-account): &quot;...All I can say is WTF. Totally new users are literally invited to drop anything at the site without even a hint to help them understand what it is about and how it works.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-01-04T13:38:27.670" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6840" PostId="3032" Score="1" Text="I was a new user once, so I'm receptive to your concerns. Can you cite some examples?" CreationDate="2015-01-04T18:26:39.760" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6842" PostId="3032" Score="1" Text="I tend to agree. Do you have some suggestions on how Workplace can do better?" CreationDate="2015-01-05T15:42:03.290" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6845" PostId="3032" Score="5" Text="One challenge with this site is that the &quot;primarily opinion-based&quot; litmus test is applied inconsistently.  For example, [this question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/37275/is-it-unprofessional-to-say-mm-hmm-on-phone-interviews/37276#37276) was closed for being opinion based, while [this one](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/38977/would-employment-abroad-after-graduation-damage-employability-in-home-country) remains open.  I understand the intent behind the guideline, but it's very difficult to consistently apply it." CreationDate="2015-01-05T17:23:51.033" UserId="14047" />
  <row Id="6847" PostId="3032" Score="4" Text="The problem with this site is that almost anything in a workplace is heavily opinion based, but as Roger said it's being applied inconsistently. I find this one of the trickiest SE sites to participate in, as we have a few people who seem determined to close every question." CreationDate="2015-01-06T11:38:41.230" UserId="28766" />
  <row Id="6848" PostId="3032" Score="0" Text="@Roger FWIW both questions you referred are closed now" CreationDate="2015-01-06T18:06:41.863" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6849" PostId="3032" Score="4" Text="I noticed that too.  I think my point remains, though.  On this particular SE site, the question of what is 'opinion based' and what's not is itself highly subjective, since the vast majority of questions asked are &quot;what do you think I should do&quot; questions.  I think this is at the root of a lot of new-user confusion about the site's purpose." CreationDate="2015-01-06T18:54:54.500" UserId="14047" />
  <row Id="6850" PostId="3032" Score="3" Text="Agree, people tend to downvote the question if they doesn't share the same worldview with the OP, instead of concentrating on answers that provide various worldviews." CreationDate="2015-01-07T15:15:08.273" UserDisplayName="user1023" />
  <row Id="6855" PostId="3032" Score="4" Text="The main reason I am not really contributing with questions on workplace is exactly the one mentioned in the post. &#xA;&#xA;If there is anything I am interested it will be about some somehow specific situation and posting that will result my question being closed.&#xA;&#xA;Even in the cases where I am actually posting a generic question which had upvotes and great answers the question was still closed. And I see such questions, with 4-5+ upvotes and 3-4 great answers being put on hold or closed although those are clearly useful to a large pool of people." CreationDate="2015-01-09T12:44:52.697" UserId="27011" />
  <row Id="6844" PostId="3034" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Yes, of course, there is that, but isn't there anything we can do to reduce such questions in the first place? Maybe a set of guidelines for new users posting their first question or something of that sort?" CreationDate="2015-01-05T15:44:13.427" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9450" PostId="3034" Score="0" Text="Amusing that your Question is 4 paragraphs. I find that many people do not read the entire Question, especially if more was added thru edits (ostensibly to improve it and head off further queries about it) and people do not follow the Comment chain, which *is intended* to have useful clarifying information. I get lots of &quot;fast draw&quot; Comments that are already addressed in the Question and in earlier Comments. For me, the real question is: if you do not have the patience to read all and understand fully, why are you even trying to answer? If it was worth time to write, it is worth time to read." CreationDate="2016-06-29T15:26:29.247" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="9451" PostId="3034" Score="1" Text="@nocomprende Your time wasted writing does not justify my wasting time reading. If something is important to your question, put it in the question description, not in the comments. That aside, this question is exactly about the same problem you are describing. When the question description contains too much unnecessary information, and too little necessary information, you won't get any useful answers." CreationDate="2016-06-29T17:43:11.237" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9453" PostId="3034" Score="0" Text="I guess I don't see reading as wasted time. If I am not interested, I withdraw and make no comments or answers. If I am interested, I read it all. Your question amounts to &quot;*How can we make people better?*&quot; which is what most of mine are about also. We could start by doing a better job of deciding to either participate fully, or not. Then follow through by doing so, or breaking off before any harm is done. &quot;Be the change you wish to see in the world.&quot; Cheers!" CreationDate="2016-06-29T18:17:22.967" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="7353" PostId="3035" Score="0" Text="There such a thing as &quot;too much information&quot; even on Stackoverflow. It's the whole essence of SSCCE." CreationDate="2015-07-01T14:06:46.820" UserId="18555" />
  <row Id="7357" PostId="3035" Score="0" Text="@Pacerier - Exactly. One thing members of the Workplace SE community can do is help askers formulate a good SSCCE question through helpful edits, helpful comments, and in some cases requests for clarity." CreationDate="2015-07-01T15:27:03.043" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="6851" PostId="3038" Score="0" Text="Great, thanks :)" CreationDate="2015-01-07T17:52:09.333" UserId="30751" />
  <row Id="6852" PostId="3039" Score="1" Text="Does this happen with all questions or just certain ones?  (If the latter, got some links?)  And main or meta?" CreationDate="2015-01-08T17:11:34.297" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6853" PostId="3039" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Posted my response as update. Seems odd that the option is disabled on specific questions only (and these questions are not locked/closed/on hold/anything special)." CreationDate="2015-01-08T17:20:23.273" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12112" PostId="3039" Score="0" Text="Another Workplace.SE question where edits seem to be disabled pending an edit (by the OP themselves!?) : [Interview rescheduled by employer two hours before the meeting](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/87683/interview-rescheduled-by-employer-two-hours-before-the-meeting)" CreationDate="2017-03-26T01:43:56.357" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="6854" PostId="3040" Score="0" Text="Thanks for that, I did try hovering over the link, but there was no tooltip. I can't confirm this now since that question has already been edited. The next time something like this happens, I will double-check if there was indeed no tooltip." CreationDate="2015-01-09T07:12:05.050" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="6858" PostId="3041" Score="0" Text="If you work for public sector, then salaries are public" CreationDate="2015-01-10T16:40:04.973" UserId="18729" />
  <row Id="6864" PostId="3041" Score="0" Text="The question you cited should be closed. The OP can do his own research." CreationDate="2015-01-11T21:05:37.687" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="6866" PostId="3041" Score="2" Text="It is not opinion based at all but it is overly broad.  The answer varies by industry and location." CreationDate="2015-01-12T19:15:32.570" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6878" PostId="3041" Score="1" Text="@Sonihal: Sometimes but not always." CreationDate="2015-01-15T20:39:47.540" UserId="10420" />
  <row Id="6859" PostId="3044" Score="0" Text="What that suggests to me is that we need to be better about explaining what the issue is and helping to edit questions into a form that fits here" CreationDate="2015-01-10T17:41:41.203" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="6860" PostId="3044" Score="1" Text="I agree that when you downvote or flag or vote to close a question you should leave a good explanation in a comment - personally, I try to do so. But editing is questionable IMO - I generally only edit questions that are fundamentally good,  but there are problems with language, etc. Editing a bad question to make it good is probably not such a good idea - it's a lot of work, and after all is said and done, you may not get it right." CreationDate="2015-01-11T00:32:48.383" UserId="8625" />
  <row Id="6861" PostId="3044" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure that it's productive to compare this SE to other SEs, not to mention differentiating between good and bad SEs. The Workplace SE has its own problems with a high number of downvotes and closings. This should be dealt with on its own merits." CreationDate="2015-01-11T11:27:09.377" UserId="27480" />
  <row Id="6862" PostId="3044" Score="1" Text="@Aleksander Does WP.SE have a problem with downvotes and closings... or does it have a problem with bad and off-topic questions? All a matter of point of view." CreationDate="2015-01-11T12:12:45.003" UserId="9959" />
  <row Id="6872" PostId="3047" Score="1" Text="I upvoted and voted to reopen a long time ago. Unfortunately, I can't vote to reopen again." CreationDate="2015-01-15T00:26:49.837" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6873" PostId="3047" Score="2" Text="I voted to close a long time ago. Fortunately, I can't vote to close again (this way system lowers the chance of close-reopen wars and of narrow groups of &quot;hyperactive&quot; users to gain too much control on the site)" CreationDate="2015-01-15T07:52:59.197" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6877" PostId="3047" Score="0" Text="@gnat Yes, I understand and agree with the policy of not allowing the same user to cast a vote to close or re-open the same question more than once. I was wondering why the question was closed to start with." CreationDate="2015-01-15T15:20:57.937" UserId="17337" />
  <row Id="6883" PostId="3047" Score="1" Text="I think some people got upset about it and felt better by pressing the close vote button." CreationDate="2015-01-20T21:23:52.093" UserId="9946" />
  <row Id="6881" PostId="3048" Score="2" Text="True, but a little filler doesn't mean it should be closed, does it?" CreationDate="2015-01-20T21:19:58.543" UserId="9946" />
  <row Id="6889" PostId="3052" Score="4" Text="And why not. After all Gaming has lasers (or is that Lazers?)" CreationDate="2015-02-03T12:24:52.177" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="6890" PostId="3052" Score="1" Text="would be funny if clicking these would bring user to [review page](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review)" CreationDate="2015-02-03T14:09:04.553" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6891" PostId="3052" Score="1" Text="I...never noticed the watercooler.  Or rather, I never had my browser window wide enough to cause it to appear.  (I thought 1200px was enough for pretty much all SE functionality.  I don't know how wide I had to make the window to see it, but it was way more than half the width of my 30&quot; screen here at work, so I assume it's not possible to see it on my smaller monitor at home.)" CreationDate="2015-02-03T21:12:08.540" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6892" PostId="3052" Score="0" Text="weird - even on the small monitors at work (1920x1080) it's visible even when the browser is not maximised" CreationDate="2015-02-04T15:11:49.450" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="6909" PostId="3052" Score="5" Text="Honestly, I'd rather have clicking on the water cooler take me to chat..." CreationDate="2015-02-19T16:52:07.630" UserId="17125" />
  <row Id="6893" PostId="3055" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [Are Ethics part of our purview?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/453/are-ethics-part-of-our-purview)" CreationDate="2015-02-06T18:08:54.197" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="6894" PostId="3055" Score="1" Text="@Jim this is... this is the same question i mention in my own question. I'm pretty sure it isn't a duplicate, I want to remove the tag." CreationDate="2015-02-06T18:36:52.067" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="6896" PostId="3055" Score="3" Text="Would something like [this](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/q/6983/52929) work? It could have a bit of text pop up warning users about questions related to ethics?" CreationDate="2015-02-07T01:37:54.127" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6898" PostId="3055" Score="0" Text="@enderland yes, i like that a lot" CreationDate="2015-02-07T18:22:19.000" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="6902" PostId="3055" Score="3" Text="@JimG. This is meta and the question you refer to is over 2 years old.  It is permissible to bring up this subject again." CreationDate="2015-02-10T04:45:30.130" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6903" PostId="3055" Score="1" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame for the sake of completeness, I believe it's _generally_ okay to dupe-close, even on meta, even after two (3, 4 etc) years. But in this _specific_ case, I am really with you, because [&quot;preemptive de-duplication&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/194489/165773) has been done fairly thoroughly" CreationDate="2015-02-10T20:44:26.283" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6895" PostId="3056" Score="1" Text="Um... is this the same question linked again? Is that a record for question links? Nobody should have a problem with the question linked - it is a fine question. But it has an &quot;ethics&quot; tag when it isn't about ethics (at all - look at what the OP there asks). It has an &quot;ethics&quot; tag and none of the answers answer in terms of ethics. So we have a tag that does nothing. Let's just remove it!" CreationDate="2015-02-06T18:38:55.933" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="6897" PostId="3057" Score="1" Text="I totally understand that, but I found it rather strange that out of the 6 or so comments there, only the 2 that I made were deleted and other comments like &quot;Why dont you ask them?&quot; &quot;What do you think it means?&quot; were left alone. This is also not the first time I have seen this happen. The previous times, I ignored it as a glitch or human error, but I had reason to believe I was being targeted for being outside the &quot;group&quot;, so just wanted to clarify that was not the case." CreationDate="2015-02-07T01:39:25.437" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="6901" PostId="3057" Score="1" Text="@Happy you were not being targeted.  I'm sorry I gave you that impression.  (I did also delete a response from the OP that had since been edited into the question, BTW.)" CreationDate="2015-02-08T02:57:30.587" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6922" PostId="3061" Score="0" Text="I'm a bit confused. &#xA;1- Why is it not allowed to have an open ended question? The answers (I believe) could well be pointers or thought to go on the right direction.&#xA;2- I've edited my question again, and waited.... Why is it still closed?" CreationDate="2015-02-24T15:06:21.317" UserId="32059" />
  <row Id="6904" PostId="3062" Score="2" Text="that's just a [race condition](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_condition) - question was closed while you were looking at it, which dropped the option from flag dialog" CreationDate="2015-02-14T21:04:20.540" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6905" PostId="3062" Score="0" Text="Oh! I guess next time I'll treat that as a clue." CreationDate="2015-02-14T21:05:38.867" UserDisplayName="user13659" />
  <row Id="6911" PostId="3065" Score="1" Text="do numbers for questions and answers include deleted ones? I suppose no but want to make sure" CreationDate="2015-02-19T20:52:31.483" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6912" PostId="3065" Score="0" Text="@gnat hmm, good question -- I'll try to find out." CreationDate="2015-02-19T20:58:07.287" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6914" PostId="3065" Score="5" Text="I love that there were 11k deleted comments good start mods... lets try to double that next year :)" CreationDate="2015-02-20T16:00:37.433" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6915" PostId="3065" Score="2" Text="Congratulations, Mods! Job well done!" CreationDate="2015-02-20T16:01:27.637" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6916" PostId="3065" Score="4" Text="I believe by 'promoted to management' you mean 'demoted to lowly servant of the almighty Community ◆' -- otherwise awesome." CreationDate="2015-02-23T04:34:25.210" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6917" PostId="3065" Score="2" Text="@jmac well, I imagine you *applied* for the job... :-)" CreationDate="2015-02-23T04:38:31.393" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6918" PostId="3065" Score="3" Text="Of course I did @MonicaCellio, and it was thanks to this wonderful community that I got it -- just making sure you all understand that community managers are more focused on the &quot;community&quot; part than the &quot;management&quot; part. Or should I say コミュニティ instead?" CreationDate="2015-02-23T04:39:59.223" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6919" PostId="3065" Score="3" Text="@gnat yes, they do" CreationDate="2015-02-23T04:43:16.070" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6913" PostId="3066" Score="8" Text="I concur with this, it's so satisfying to read a question and answers and then see &quot;UPDATE: things worked out!&quot; and how they solved the problem. Especially when the question is a difficult one which is easy to empathise with!" CreationDate="2015-02-20T11:49:52.603" UserDisplayName="user29632" />
  <row Id="6938" PostId="3066" Score="0" Text="&quot;This site is making an actual difference in real people's lives.&quot; I intended to go write an answer along those lines, but you just said it." CreationDate="2015-03-06T10:43:45.617" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="6923" PostId="3068" Score="2" Text="I concur.  And I'm sometimes surprised by the amount of help an answer sometimes gives; most recently, I hoped [this answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/41839/325) would help the OP and figured it might get a few votes, but for a &quot;niche&quot; problem I wasn't expecting much to happen there.  The voting on that has really surprised me; I hope that means I've helped some other people too." CreationDate="2015-02-25T02:00:28.250" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6929" PostId="3068" Score="2" Text="I think one awesome thing about Workplace is that questions here have a lot more &quot;life impact&quot; than say Stack Overflow. Most people's lives aren't going to be changed by answering a programming question. But they CAN be by a question here." CreationDate="2015-02-26T17:59:40.017" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6960" PostId="3072" Score="0" Text="I recently saw a quite detailed explanation on how to handle these matters at MSO: [How to decide whether to un-wiki questions/answers posted in rep-denial era](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/288022/839601)" CreationDate="2015-03-15T18:20:12.447" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6961" PostId="3072" Score="0" Text="@gnat thanks for the pointer." CreationDate="2015-03-15T18:20:59.467" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6921" PostId="3074" Score="1" Text="Yeah, it's a legal question, but it's not a legal **advice**. This little word makes the difference." CreationDate="2015-02-24T12:51:53.013" UserDisplayName="user1023" />
  <row Id="6928" PostId="3075" Score="6" Text="This strikes me as a good idea" CreationDate="2015-02-26T17:27:49.510" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6940" PostId="3075" Score="0" Text="AFAIK, all SE sites do this when you click Questions and leave the default spoon-feed page. It's a horrible way to browse, six questions at a time; I don't use these buttons for this reason. This belongs on Meta.SE" CreationDate="2015-03-08T21:59:21.700" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="6924" PostId="3076" Score="2" Text="as far as I can see, [reviewers weren't convinced](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/26609) about reopening" CreationDate="2015-02-26T12:11:09.977" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6934" PostId="3076" Score="0" Text="I regret the lack of communication. I'm all for refining the question to make it better. In this case it appears I'm working on it and asking for advice that does not come. Maybe I should re-work the question and re-reate a question?" CreationDate="2015-03-02T11:46:36.480" UserId="32059" />
  <row Id="6937" PostId="3076" Score="0" Text="Read the Help Center on how to ask.  Ask a question that states the specific goal you want to achieve.  If you can imagine a book on the subject then you are asking for something with too large of a scope.    Also realize that this question teeters on the what skills do I learn, which is off topic.  In this case since you were directed by your boss to do this, the best first step is to talk with him about his expectations from you in this task.  Then go about meeting those expectations." CreationDate="2015-03-05T21:21:57.863" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6926" PostId="3077" Score="0" Text="The specificity of the case was not held here as the issue. It was showing an example of a situation.&#xA;The issue here is: Should something being done to improve the 'quick to close/late to reopen' syndrome." CreationDate="2015-02-26T12:19:47.027" UserId="32059" />
  <row Id="6927" PostId="3077" Score="2" Text="If the question isn't appropriate the time to reopen will be infinite." CreationDate="2015-02-26T14:22:21.250" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="6930" PostId="3078" Score="4" Text="There are other sites that have less vertical space than Workplace -- Mi Yodeya, ELU, UX (and they should know!), Seasoned Advice, Travel, all beta sites... it's not just that SO changed." CreationDate="2015-02-26T23:39:25.650" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6933" PostId="3080" Score="2" Text="http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2947/168" CreationDate="2015-03-01T07:23:19.243" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14198" PostId="3080" Score="0" Text="I think [this post](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4932/practical-meme-handbook-for-navigating-the-workplace) would qualify as collective knowledge and ideas from TWP." CreationDate="2017-11-21T23:27:35.733" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="6936" PostId="3082" Score="1" Text="Fair enough, after looking for similar cases I could only find one easily (1 year old and still closed). Having not the time for a deeper search (and seeing a lot of the questions on meta refers to deleted question) I cannot make my case. &#xA;:(" CreationDate="2015-03-04T12:37:34.937" UserId="32059" />
  <row Id="6941" PostId="3085" Score="2" Text="While I agree that this site requires more searching, I'm not sure what that has to do with the number of questions seen on the main page (among other places), which is what is shown in the original question." CreationDate="2015-03-09T16:10:36.307" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="6942" PostId="3085" Score="0" Text="@Thunderforge I added clarification on how the front page design is additionally affected by the different userbase." CreationDate="2015-03-09T16:17:33.547" UserId="16277" />
  <row Id="6952" PostId="3086" Score="0" Text="I have never seen this - that's really strange..." CreationDate="2015-03-13T14:40:05.787" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16035" PostId="3087" Score="0" Text="I am unclear why the original question merits a meta thread what to discuss about it.  It sound like you have some commentary on it, but I'm not following why that merits a meta thread to &quot;do something&quot; about it.  Admittedly, I don't do a whole lot on this site, but I find myself sucked in all the time reading about workplace shenanigans; is that the culture on this SE?" CreationDate="2018-07-25T22:45:30.507" UserId="46562" />
  <row Id="16036" PostId="3087" Score="0" Text="@YetAnotherRandomUser the edit history (and maybe chat at the time? I don't remember, 3+ years later) raised some concerns, so I brought the question to meta to discuss.  The author then edited the question, so the discussion served its purpose.  I see that I had failed to accept the author's answer here to signal that; I've now corrected that." CreationDate="2018-07-26T00:38:06.763" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16052" PostId="3087" Score="0" Text="HNQ brought this to my attention, and I failed to see that this scenario was 3 years old. D'oh!" CreationDate="2018-07-28T19:01:12.687" UserId="46562" />
  <row Id="6950" PostId="3088" Score="11" Text="Since when do we need to verify that the questions are true? If he asked how write a for loop, would you complain that we can't verify that he really wants to write a for loop?" CreationDate="2015-03-13T14:20:08.807" UserDisplayName="user14155" />
  <row Id="6951" PostId="3088" Score="1" Text="@davor from [the Help Center](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask) *You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face.* - The OP Admits its not his problem to deal with, but I concede it is just my suspicion that the OP is grinding his ax." CreationDate="2015-03-13T14:32:08.083" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6953" PostId="3088" Score="2" Text="I partially agree with Davor. There are several well-received questions submitted by a third-party to the problem. The OP not being the manager, or the one responsible for any changes, should make no difference. Also let them grind their axes if it leads to some good answers. That said I wouldn't oppose freezing the question until it's been rephrased to get to the point." CreationDate="2015-03-13T18:27:00.417" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="6957" PostId="3088" Score="0" Text="@rath - Certianly...  I am not saying we should out right ban them all. this one has a bad smell to it that makes me think fake.  I dislike axe to grind questions." CreationDate="2015-03-15T04:17:49.943" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6963" PostId="3088" Score="0" Text="Why would we close the question?" CreationDate="2015-03-17T13:45:17.440" UserId="13361" />
  <row Id="6964" PostId="3088" Score="0" Text="@itcouldevenbeaboat - Because askign a general what should i do question is off topic and thats what this is.  but the heat is off the question now so i am content with letting to fade away." CreationDate="2015-03-17T13:47:01.760" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6965" PostId="3088" Score="3" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame Is there ***any other kind of question*** on SO the Workplace?" CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:23:42.557" UserId="13361" />
  <row Id="6966" PostId="3088" Score="0" Text="@itcouldevenbeaboat So create your meta post about that asking to change the rules everyone else does.  Just stop being snarky in my answers.\" CreationDate="2015-03-17T15:53:31.097" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6943" PostId="3089" Score="4" Text="WHAT SHOULD I DO IS OFF TOPIC!!!!!!!  That is what you are asking here &quot;what should i do about this employee that I don't want?&quot;  How do I tell her X?  is on topic.  How do I take [specific action] with reguards to here is on topic.  This is off topic." CreationDate="2015-03-11T22:10:57.263" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6944" PostId="3089" Score="2" Text="My second issue here is that you have not demonstrated that she is fragile... just that you are uncomfortable dealing with her.  Fix that!" CreationDate="2015-03-11T22:11:31.917" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6945" PostId="3089" Score="9" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame almost all questions here are some form of &quot;what should I do&quot;.  I'm not sure *that's* what's wrong with the question." CreationDate="2015-03-11T22:24:54.910" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6946" PostId="3089" Score="2" Text="That edit is much better.  (You've got some pronoun problems, though, so either fix them or just leave it as &quot;she&quot;.)  Instead of asking &quot;how would you manage&quot;, which is kind of vague, try asking the action question: you want to know how to keep the team productive and happy with this person in the company, I presume.  (One could ask instead &quot;how do I make this employee productive&quot;, but I don't get the sense that that's your question.)" CreationDate="2015-03-11T22:26:56.963" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6947" PostId="3089" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio: thank you for your feedback. The question is now edited." CreationDate="2015-03-11T22:39:22.177" UserId="2901" />
  <row Id="6948" PostId="3089" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio But this question is just a general here is my situation what should I do which is off topic." CreationDate="2015-03-12T14:11:38.610" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16032" PostId="3089" Score="2" Text="&quot;I've seen her resume. She was perfectly able to perform her job five years ago. It's just that personal reasons put her in a position where she has difficulties she hadn't five years ago.&quot; This needs to be made clear in the question.  You may have attempted to imply that, but I didn't pick up on it when I read the question and answers." CreationDate="2018-07-25T22:37:04.650" UserId="46562" />
  <row Id="16033" PostId="3089" Score="0" Text="If you want to remove the persons gender, then use neutral pronouns like &quot;this person&quot;.  I would not change it from a she to a he, because the bit about &quot;she&quot; is actually important.  A wheelchair bound female developer has all the privilege (legal, political, etc).  The only way to heap more on her is if she was also a minority of some kind.  Changing the question to a &quot;he&quot; means it's about yet another random programmer and there will be no sympathy for that kind of person." CreationDate="2018-07-25T22:40:42.943" UserId="46562" />
  <row Id="6949" PostId="3090" Score="3" Text="[&quot;I operated a second account for some time because I was curious to find out whether low-reputation users are really treated much differently than high-reputation users...&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/101988/165773)" CreationDate="2015-03-12T19:54:11.373" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6971" PostId="3093" Score="1" Text="'Questions asking for **advice on what to do are not [practical answerable questions](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask)** (e.g. *&quot;what job should I take?&quot;*, or *&quot;what skills should I learn?&quot;*)...' ([close reasons](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2695/168))" CreationDate="2015-03-18T15:11:26.797" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6974" PostId="3093" Score="0" Text="@gnat I did see that, but those questions like _What job should I take_ or _What skills should I learn_ are not so close to my question because I am not asking for recommendation for job, rather a situation in job career, which is primarily opinion based as I learnt more when I explored the Meta Workplace." CreationDate="2015-03-18T15:49:49.750" UserId="33406" />
  <row Id="6967" PostId="3094" Score="2" Text="For me it's not just that there are unsupported claims; as you said, that happens a lot. But when assessments are being made of people's health, personalities, or other traits, I see that as a little different than &quot;the company is financial trouble&quot; etc. I feel the same way about questions that describe coworkers as jerks, which clearly isn't a medical claim. These are not only matters of personal opinion but are often provocative, &amp; I'd rather not encourage rants, competitive war stories (&quot;you think *your* jerk coworker is bad?...&quot;), etc. We can ask questions without descending to that." CreationDate="2015-03-18T13:54:20.790" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6968" PostId="3094" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Hmm, but I think a question like, &quot;What do I do about a co-worker who is really rude and obnoxious?&quot; is a fair question. (Okay, as stated far too general to be likely to get useful answers, but that's not the point here.) If they're naming names then it might be slanderous and I'd certainly be uncomfortable getting into it, but it's the sort of problem people have in real life all the time, and to say, &quot;discussing people's personalities makes me uncomfortable&quot; doesn't help the person who is dealing with someone's difficult personality. Yes, if the person isn't asking a ..." CreationDate="2015-03-18T14:01:28.497" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="6969" PostId="3094" Score="0" Text="... question but just ranting about how much they hate so-and-so, sure, doesn't likely lead to useful responses." CreationDate="2015-03-18T14:02:02.810" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="6972" PostId="3094" Score="0" Text="Jay yeah, but wouldn't you need to explain what you mean by &quot;rude an obnoxious&quot; for it to be answerable?  &quot;Rude coworker&quot; could mean lots of things; a coworker who does such-and-such in meetings, or invades your personal space in this way, or uses gossip and manipulation to put others down, or whatever -- now *that's* something we can talk about.  At which point the real problem is that you've got a coworker who does that in meetings or behaves that way or whatever, and while &quot;rude and obnoxious&quot; is a shorthand it's not really the core question.  Does that make sense?" CreationDate="2015-03-18T15:32:49.953" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6973" PostId="3094" Score="2" Text="To *me* the original version of the post focused too much on labelling the coworker, which isn't helpful, and presenting personal opinions as facts.  That made me uncomfortable enough to raise it on meta so the community can weigh in.  Thanks for helping with that!" CreationDate="2015-03-18T15:36:07.910" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6975" PostId="3094" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio RE &quot;could mean lots of things&quot; Absolutely. That's basically what I meant when I said &quot;as stated far too general&quot; etc. &quot;Co-worker tells obscene jokes at meetings&quot; is a very different problem from &quot;co-worker claimed credit for something I had done&quot;, etc." CreationDate="2015-03-19T13:28:38.197" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="16034" PostId="3094" Score="0" Text="Dammnit, I can only give +1 to this." CreationDate="2018-07-25T22:43:27.117" UserId="46562" />
  <row Id="6970" PostId="3095" Score="1" Text="I have edited my question. Can you please take a look and let me know." CreationDate="2015-03-18T14:14:35.107" UserId="33406" />
  <row Id="6976" PostId="3095" Score="0" Text="Doesn't really change my answer. Yes, I could swap in &quot;digital marketing&quot; for &quot;auto mechanics&quot; and the last paragraph goes away, but besides that I think my answer stands." CreationDate="2015-03-19T13:30:21.753" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="6977" PostId="3096" Score="6" Text="Thanks for letting us know!  And thanks again for the beautiful design of our site." CreationDate="2015-03-20T14:20:14.940" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6978" PostId="3096" Score="0" Text="_&quot;More easily add new features to all of our sites in the future&quot;_ -- means, this update partially covers some [technical debt](http://programmers.stackexchange.com/a/132857/31260)? :)" CreationDate="2015-03-20T16:45:37.120" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6988" PostId="3096" Score="0" Text="Has the font changed? I remember it was a different font." CreationDate="2015-03-25T15:05:55.227" UserId="20862" />
  <row Id="6989" PostId="3096" Score="2" Text="@LéoLam We went from &quot;Open Sans&quot; to the font stack &quot;Helvetica Neue/Helvetica/Arial&quot;. It makes the site render faster because it doesn't load a custom font." CreationDate="2015-03-25T15:07:39.143" UserId="13131" />
  <row Id="6990" PostId="3096" Score="1" Text="I see. Nice update; it still looks like Workplace.SE, unlike some other sites who seem to have “lost” their design and now resemble other sites." CreationDate="2015-03-25T15:11:51.780" UserId="20862" />
  <row Id="6980" PostId="3098" Score="0" Text="I now see 3.25 questions instead of 2.5 questions. An improvement I guess, but I would prefer to see closer to 6 questions like on Stack Overflow." CreationDate="2015-03-22T18:56:38.630" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="6981" PostId="3098" Score="1" Text="@Thunderforge part of that is our much-bigger header.  Once you get down into the questions our spacing is now much closer.  I added screen shots." CreationDate="2015-03-22T19:08:13.293" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6982" PostId="3098" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the screenshots. It doesn't look so bad on yours, but it seems you have a much taller monitor than me (mine is widescreen 1280 x 800). I've added an additional screenshot to the question showing what I see. Perhaps the issue then is that we ought to decrease the size of the header and/or the whitespace above the first question to accommodate those with shorter monitors (which would include netbooks and tablets not on the mobile site)." CreationDate="2015-03-22T19:12:31.520" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="6983" PostId="3098" Score="0" Text="My monitor is 1280x1024, but I don't run full-screen or that would make the text too wide for me.  Yes the header is large (not just on this site  but on several others), but once I scroll a bit I can see a reasonable number of questions at once, so I just get used to doing that.  Yeah, the &quot;every page needs a big header&quot; meme that's sweeping the web is troublesome for those of us with smaller monitors, but at least for that there's something I can do, unlike the &quot;add tons of whitespace between entries&quot; problem." CreationDate="2015-03-22T19:15:28.147" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6984" PostId="3099" Score="2" Text="It's already done, we decreased a lot the vertical height of the question list, see http://cl.ly/image/3Z1H1D2V2b3b" CreationDate="2015-03-23T10:02:43.160" UserId="13131" />
  <row Id="6985" PostId="3100" Score="6" Text="They are all duplicates.  Close them as duplicates.  If they arent duplicates then leave them be." CreationDate="2015-03-24T13:42:42.123" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="6986" PostId="3103" Score="0" Text="possible duplicate of [Are the Downvoting police too active?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2496/are-the-downvoting-police-too-active)" CreationDate="2015-03-25T10:26:16.920" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6991" PostId="3103" Score="0" Text="@Joe Strazzere: The tag says &quot;Feature request&quot;" CreationDate="2015-03-26T10:15:29.177" UserId="33517" />
  <row Id="6992" PostId="3103" Score="0" Text="At first I didn't find questions on the same theme. Even if the &quot;dupe&quot; is a question and my post is a feature request, I found answers there quite usefull and even fun. This one got Nr.1 in my Top favourites: &quot;come to The Workplace, get a downvote&quot; :))" CreationDate="2015-03-26T10:56:14.660" UserId="33517" />
  <row Id="6993" PostId="3103" Score="2" Text="@TinelBarb - right. But your question indicates that you demanded an explanation: &quot;Since the down-voter didn't provide any explanation I demanded one&quot;" CreationDate="2015-03-26T13:24:47.143" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7008" PostId="3103" Score="0" Text="Looks like we may need to restrict down voting on questions about down voting." CreationDate="2015-04-07T19:29:31.500" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7001" PostId="3105" Score="1" Text="Regardless of what the guidelines say, you're free to vote however you wish - provided you're voting on the content and not the user. The tooltip for the downvote arrow states &quot;...it is unclear or **not useful**&quot; so if you think a question is so obvious that it's not going to be useful to anybody else, downvote if you want to." CreationDate="2015-04-02T15:39:39.947" UserId="13573" />
  <row Id="7003" PostId="3105" Score="2" Text="The first has already been (correctly) closed as primarily opinion-based, and I don't think the second one being closed as primarily opinion-based would be off-target either." CreationDate="2015-04-07T05:27:07.040" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="6994" PostId="3107" Score="0" Text="You would just write &quot;Don't overthink this&quot; in your answer or comment." CreationDate="2015-03-31T11:07:06.960" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="6995" PostId="3107" Score="0" Text="@JanDoggen hopefully that's a good thing... ?" CreationDate="2015-03-31T12:23:48.473" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="6997" PostId="3109" Score="2" Text="related: [Aggressive Edits](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2153/168)" CreationDate="2015-04-01T14:29:51.183" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="6999" PostId="3109" Score="2" Text="There were 3 reopen votes, so adding yours and mine makes 5.  Reopened." CreationDate="2015-04-01T19:34:16.583" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="6996" PostId="3110" Score="1" Text="I deleted my question out of frustration as defined scope and community action do not align and everyone seemed hell bent on saying it was a travel question or a personal finance question or some other question even though it was specific to the work place." CreationDate="2015-04-01T01:26:58.483" UserId="27655" />
  <row Id="7000" PostId="3110" Score="1" Text="Consider asking your question at http://money.stackexchange.com/" CreationDate="2015-04-02T11:38:51.613" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="6998" PostId="3111" Score="0" Text="I still disagree. My question is as specific to the workplace, as for personal finance nor personal travel do not get a per-firm advance nor have to create expense reports. All of your suggested questions imply a narrow &amp; specific solution of ultimately issuing a company credit card. Not providing ideas for alternatives nor a solution for a lone employee in a large corporation to ultimately solve the root issue." CreationDate="2015-04-01T19:04:30.693" UserId="27655" />
  <row Id="7004" PostId="3111" Score="1" Text="@CRSouser I can see how you'd be convinced it's a workplace issue -- after all, it's travel for work. The question itself though isn't about anything related to the workplace, it's about what options exist for people who want to use a card overseas and avoid skimming. If your question was about how to approach your boss about covering the additional costs/fees of a prepaid card, then it would be more relevant to the workplace, but as is I think enderland's answer is spot on." CreationDate="2015-04-07T07:18:42.180" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="7002" PostId="3112" Score="8" Text="Nobody *has* to respond to any question.  If you're viewing answering questions that you'd rather not spend time on as a &quot;cost of doing business&quot;, please reconsider.  There are lots of people here, so either there *is* something to say and somebody else will say it, or there isn't and the question will languish.  Either way, adding a non-answer to &quot;just [tell] them they are overthinking it&quot; really doesn't help anybody -- not the OP, not the site, and not future readers.  Further, these kinds of responses are often on the brusque side, sometimes bordering on rude, and that sure doesn't help us." CreationDate="2015-04-06T16:16:33.600" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7580" PostId="3116" Score="2" Text="I hate this ad, why is it there?" CreationDate="2015-08-24T17:40:34.460" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="7581" PostId="3116" Score="0" Text="@JonH it's here because it was proposed and enough people upvoted it to get it into the rotation.  If people downvote it it might fall out.  (And all ads reset each calendar year anyway.)  Some sites have had success with ads for specific questions to promote their communities, and that's what Community Building is trying here." CreationDate="2015-08-24T17:47:58.240" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7582" PostId="3116" Score="0" Text="The post is more than a year old...I guess I don't get what this stuff is for??  I've read the post more than a gillion times thinking its something new but sure enough its the same thing.  Why do we even do such a thing?" CreationDate="2015-08-24T17:50:07.873" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="7854" PostId="3116" Score="0" Text="This ad is a joke. A bad joke, at that. What's the link between Community Building and Perfect coworkers?" CreationDate="2015-11-01T20:21:15.340" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="7855" PostId="3116" Score="0" Text="@DeerHunter there's no call to be rude.  The ad was an experiment; &quot;joke&quot; implies negative intent.  As for the connection, did you try clicking it?  The whole point of this style of community-promotion ad (which I've seen from other sites) is that some *individual questions or categories of questions* are relevant to multiple communities." CreationDate="2015-11-01T20:25:44.633" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7856" PostId="3116" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - sorry, no offense intended. I'm still baffled; this kind of cross-pollination is way above my head. It is a pity that the ad uses Arial, of all typefaces, and the lower textbox is jarringly mis-aligned." CreationDate="2015-11-01T20:34:56.257" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="7857" PostId="3116" Score="0" Text="@DeerHunter thanks.  Both workplaces and communities sometimes attract people who are, shall we say, *problematic*, so it seemed to the CB folks that Workplace folks might be able to help out with, or just be interested in reading, some questions there.  As I said, it was an experiment.  I'm not planning to propose this ad for next year; I think this style of ad works best with shorter runs anyway.  (So I might propose a *different* ad for CB, if any of the folks in that community can make a reasonable one (I am not a designer :-) ), but it won't be *this* one.)" CreationDate="2015-11-01T20:38:05.047" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7858" PostId="3116" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - ah, okay, thanks. That was the first time I noticed the ad, clicked &quot;comment&quot;, and landed here. I like the typeface in the &quot;First job?&quot; ad, though." CreationDate="2015-11-01T20:47:57.647" UserId="5433" />
  <row Id="7010" PostId="3117" Score="5" Text="@JoeStrazzere it's the same situation as &quot;my boss asked me to do him a favor&quot; or &quot;...fix his spouse's computer&quot; or &quot;...host a visitor from another office in my home&quot; or &quot;...watch his dogs while he goes on vacation&quot; -- all of these are fundamentally about the fact that it's your *boss* who's asking, not about the price of dog-sitting or fair compensation for unwanted houseguests.  I don't think this question is about art at all; that's just the vehicle for the &quot;my boss asked me for something that costs me; how do I figure out what to ask for?&quot; question." CreationDate="2015-04-13T18:01:33.643" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7011" PostId="3117" Score="2" Text="I think if you remove &quot;much&quot; from the question title it shifts the focus from asking what specific amount for the painting to how to approach the situation. Most of the answers reflect how to approach the situation instead of how to assign a monetary value to the work." CreationDate="2015-04-13T18:50:21.623" UserDisplayName="user33201" />
  <row Id="7012" PostId="3117" Score="1" Text="@Austin that's a good point.  I changed it to &quot;How do I decide how much to charge my boss for a painting?&quot;." CreationDate="2015-04-13T18:53:55.833" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7017" PostId="3117" Score="0" Text="as far as I can tell, title edit in [rev 3](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/44039/revisions) has invalidated [this answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/44047/168) (not that it is worthy of keeping)" CreationDate="2015-04-14T08:36:25.573" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7019" PostId="3117" Score="0" Text="The question has been reopened by the community following an edit to the title." CreationDate="2015-04-14T03:39:27.063" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7020" PostId="3117" Score="0" Text="@gnat fair points.  I'm concerned about invalidating *answers*, but I'm not sure we need extend that to *responses*.  That post doesn't answer the question in the body of the question (which didn't change).  With luck the community will handle that." CreationDate="2015-04-14T13:06:26.193" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7021" PostId="3117" Score="0" Text="agree, it seems to ignore question body, that's why I thought it's not worthy of keeping" CreationDate="2015-04-14T17:43:37.003" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7014" PostId="3121" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the answer. Can you please correct the answer  I pointed. It is still showing 'you father' instead of 'your father'." CreationDate="2015-04-14T06:39:37.697" UserId="2289" />
  <row Id="7016" PostId="3121" Score="2" Text="@amit done. I fixed a couple other things so it ended up over 10 characters, [take a look](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/44081/revisions) if you want to see what I mean." CreationDate="2015-04-14T06:42:45.087" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="7024" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="FWIW, [asking for advice on what to do](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2695/168) is explicitly off-topic per [help/on-topic]" CreationDate="2015-04-16T21:24:33.127" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7025" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="@gnat Is the way I aproach a client or what I do while talking to him/her off-topic?" CreationDate="2015-04-16T21:47:54.100" UserId="31957" />
  <row Id="7026" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="did you check [meta guidance](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2695/168) referred in prior comment?" CreationDate="2015-04-16T21:58:03.373" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7027" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="@gnat That's talking about advice..." CreationDate="2015-04-16T21:59:13.080" UserId="31957" />
  <row Id="7028" PostId="3122" Score="3" Text="@gnat at some level, *all* questions on Stack Exchange are &quot;what to do&quot; -- you have a problem and you want to solve it, after all.  Our restriction on &quot;what to do&quot; questions is more focused -- questions that describe a situation and ask &quot;so what do I do?&quot; without identifying something more specific (all Ann Landers style).  *That's* what we object to here, not questions with clear problems that can be addressed through the SE Q&amp;A process.  Ismael's question is whether those questions may include the topic of client interactions, and I'm glad he brought the question here." CreationDate="2015-04-17T15:29:07.577" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7029" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Thank you a lot! Can you please add that information to the question? I'm really having a few troubles to express myself (I guess it is obvious, since you had to clarify it)." CreationDate="2015-04-17T16:25:51.073" UserId="31957" />
  <row Id="7030" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio agree - I only pointed to our custom close reason to remind that _some_ kinds of &quot;what to do&quot; questions are off-topic" CreationDate="2015-04-17T17:55:45.883" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7031" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="@IsmaelMiguel I think your question is clear as-is.  My difference is with gnat, not you -- you're fine!" CreationDate="2015-04-17T22:58:52.740" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7032" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Thanks miss. I guess no one else saw the big issue here, since I have 0 freaking answers. It is the goddamn 1st question on the &quot;newest&quot; tab. And look: 0 answers. I must say that I'm pretty disapointed." CreationDate="2015-04-18T00:09:08.417" UserId="31957" />
  <row Id="7033" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="you are probably comparing Workplace meta against CG.SE / CR.SE / SO. Per my observations, at smaller site metas questions, especially non-obvious ones, tend to be simply answered much slower. One has to just get used to that" CreationDate="2015-04-18T06:08:50.637" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7034" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="@gnat I have no idea what sites are those..." CreationDate="2015-04-18T14:53:13.533" UserId="31957" />
  <row Id="7035" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="you have [accounts on all of them](http://stackexchange.com/users/3235633/ismael-miguel?tab=accounts). CG stands for Code Golf, CR for Code Review, SO for Stack Overflow" CreationDate="2015-04-18T16:05:17.457" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7036" PostId="3122" Score="0" Text="@gnat CG should be PPCG. That's why I didn't had any idea of what you meant. But yes, I do. And usually the number of views is directly related to the number of answers. I've had answers to questions with 5 views! At the time of writting of this comment, this question had 48 views. And a lot of comments. But no answers." CreationDate="2015-04-18T19:20:36.600" UserId="31957" />
  <row Id="7037" PostId="3123" Score="0" Text="I'm on mobile so can't really say much but there is a meta post about heroic edits which is similar, I think?" CreationDate="2015-04-18T21:42:21.717" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7038" PostId="3123" Score="0" Text="@enderland do you by chance mean [Aggressive Edits](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2153/168)? FWIW with 10 answers, it would be tough to do so without invalidating some (even if you ignore two answers that seem to be quite worthless anyway, there would still be eight to keep an eye at)" CreationDate="2015-04-18T22:23:23.847" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7039" PostId="3123" Score="0" Text="Better to write a new question, and let this one go, IMHO." CreationDate="2015-04-19T00:26:40.330" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7040" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="I've looked into the tags before asking, and I have no idea how I have't seen a `clients` tag. I tried `client`, `costumer` and similars." CreationDate="2015-04-20T08:28:31.053" UserId="31957" />
  <row Id="7042" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="@IsmaelMiguel I sometimes find our tag set a little confusing.  It happens.  (Searching for or starting to add &quot;client&quot; should have suggested &quot;clients&quot;, though; if that didn't happen, please let us know.)" CreationDate="2015-04-20T12:59:38.933" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7043" PostId="3124" Score="0" Text="Probably it was my entire fault because (you know) I use IE (for reasons that sadden me). But this isn't the first time that I try to find a tag when asking a question and I don't find it. Or at least I don't remember. But you are really helpful. No wonder you are moderator." CreationDate="2015-04-20T13:07:29.557" UserId="31957" />
  <row Id="7041" PostId="3126" Score="0" Text="thanks, that clears everything." CreationDate="2015-04-20T10:13:45.667" UserId="2289" />
  <row Id="7044" PostId="3127" Score="1" Text="You appear to be missing half a sentence here:  &quot;In cases like this it's obvious a &quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-21T23:35:44.053" UserId="345" />
  <row Id="7045" PostId="3129" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I thought that functionality had to exist somewhere! :)" CreationDate="2015-04-23T14:48:30.650" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7046" PostId="3129" Score="0" Text="@DavidK glad to help. Some things about SE are confusing, this is one of them..." CreationDate="2015-04-23T14:52:13.900" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7047" PostId="3130" Score="0" Text="Oh neat, never saw that before." CreationDate="2015-04-23T16:41:41.810" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7048" PostId="3130" Score="0" Text="This is great! I wonder why it's not linked on the questions paged." CreationDate="2015-04-23T16:56:31.013" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7049" PostId="3131" Score="1" Text="I just edited out the sales pitchy stuff." CreationDate="2015-04-23T17:33:54.810" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7085" PostId="3131" Score="0" Text="Ian, is your question specifically about that answer (which has now been edited), or are you asking a broader question about what counts as spam and that's just one example?  (Trying to decide if this is status-completed...)" CreationDate="2015-04-26T04:41:43.227" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7092" PostId="3131" Score="0" Text="Yeah it was about that one question, go ahead and status-complete it." CreationDate="2015-04-26T20:11:44.263" UserId="19839" />
  <row Id="7051" PostId="3132" Score="2" Text="One correction: the first wave of comments was moved to chat, not deleted." CreationDate="2015-04-24T15:01:15.893" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7064" PostId="3132" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio The comments are still removed from the answer.  And I dont actually say that they were deleted just that comments (not the chat) are being suppressed." CreationDate="2015-04-24T17:35:14.967" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7077" PostId="3132" Score="0" Text="Just a note, I locked that question since the OP was pretty clearly not interested in having it not be a rant." CreationDate="2015-04-25T18:06:43.057" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7052" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="Citing the constitutional right to free assembly in your answer would strengthen it." CreationDate="2015-04-24T16:03:28.497" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7053" PostId="3133" Score="3" Text="I agree with this in theory, but it turns out that there are thousands of pages of laws debating or clarifying the &quot;obviousness&quot; of the Constitution, too, so it's not always as straight forward as this makes it seem." CreationDate="2015-04-24T16:03:57.827" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7054" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@enderland yes, so it's important to cite what you based an answer on, and important for readers to consider later works that might modify it." CreationDate="2015-04-24T16:05:29.450" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7056" PostId="3133" Score="2" Text="Thank you for making my point that you are making a legal arguement.  @monica Can we please add the back it up banner to the answer until it is cited." CreationDate="2015-04-24T16:10:16.767" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7059" PostId="3133" Score="6" Text="I'm not sure what relevance this has to the meta question - but the first amendment has zero to do with this.  The constitution enumerates what *congress*, and by later amendment/legal reasoning what the *state governments*, can or cannot do.  It does not have *any* bearing on whether an employer can or cannot attempt to control free association, free speech, or anything else (excepting a few of the civil rights related amendments).  It does say that *Congress* cannot pass a law forbidding free association, but that's not at issue here." CreationDate="2015-04-24T16:27:32.933" UserId="3227" />
  <row Id="7060" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@Joe - it has EVERYTHING to do with this.  I have background in 1st amendment law and that is what I studied at university.  I am not going to get into the debate with you on this because it is just a waste of time and too obvious.  We are talking about an employer stating to a US citizen who they can talk to and assemble with outside of the workplace." CreationDate="2015-04-24T16:38:32.060" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7061" PostId="3133" Score="2" Text="An employer certainly can't tell an employee who to assemble with (mostly), but it has zero to do with the first amendment, and everything to do with civil rights laws and employment laws.  Either way my point is more that I don't understand why this is an answer to the meta question..." CreationDate="2015-04-24T17:03:00.603" UserId="3227" />
  <row Id="7062" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@joe and when there is debate about civil/employment laws the supreme court reverts to which amendment?" CreationDate="2015-04-24T17:04:41.013" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7063" PostId="3133" Score="1" Text="@blankip - So please update your answer and explain your first paragraph to the rest of us like we were 5th graders.  Where do the rights you claim exist and how does that apply here." CreationDate="2015-04-24T17:33:22.873" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7065" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame - I just don't understand your point.  Could an employer fire you for being in Black Panther, for being in an all female bike club, belonging to a women's only gym, for a native French speakers club... just thinking of things in my workplace.  All of these things may appear racist or biased but have nothing to do with work." CreationDate="2015-04-24T17:39:33.743" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7066" PostId="3133" Score="5" Text="@blankip Yes, they can. [LMGTFY](http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fired+for+things+i+said)" CreationDate="2015-04-24T17:53:25.300" UserId="9018" />
  <row Id="7067" PostId="3133" Score="2" Text="@blankip - I am saying explain it in your answer why you can and where the rights come from or rework the first paragraph to make it clear it is your opinion that these are your rights." CreationDate="2015-04-24T18:23:35.293" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7068" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@blankip Can you cite any supreme court cases or applicable laws? Because I can. (1) Freedom of association does not extend to freedom to discriminate, see *Roberts v. United States Jaycees.* (2) As far as I can tell, association (for 1st amendment purposes) means a defined group with a membership (e.g. a political party, country club), and not a vague &quot;friend group.&quot; (3) I haven't done the research for this particular case, but when a constitutional prohibition is applied to private entities, there is usually a law involved (e.g. the civil rights act). Can you tell us the name of that law?" CreationDate="2015-04-25T03:29:17.197" UserDisplayName="user383" />
  <row Id="7069" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@blankip I'm not a lawyer, and that is in no means legal advice, but if you can't do better than my previous comment, and if you can only say &quot;it's the constitution,&quot; then *you have no business talking about legal matters.* I'm upset about the entire question, because it has serious implications for the OPs life, and people are making answers based on unreliable claims." CreationDate="2015-04-25T03:36:13.473" UserDisplayName="user383" />
  <row Id="7070" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@Christofian - What are you talking about?   You are comparing a non-profit subsidized by the US govt. with hundreds of thousands of members to a group of guys going out for drinks?  Yes I do have a law background and you should please refrain from giving me google's first hit with such a negative tone when you don't understand what you are saying.   How does my workplace have a Women's Yoga class that I am not allowed to attend?  Should I quote Roberts vs. JCs to my HR?  Remarks like yours is why people take real discrimination issues less serious." CreationDate="2015-04-25T04:54:04.917" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7072" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@blankip if you have a law background, can you at least do what I just did and and provide a few legal arguments more specific than just saying the first amendment? I promise I will stop debating if it gets too complicated for me (I'm not using wikipedia, but a constitutional law textbook). I think that quoting Roberts v. JC to HR is just as absurd as quoting &quot;the first amendment&quot; to HR, which is why answers shouldn't be based on legal distinctions. However, if you are going to make legal arguments, can you at least make better legal arguments?" CreationDate="2015-04-25T15:02:36.183" UserDisplayName="user383" />
  <row Id="7073" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@Christofian - I don't think it is a legal issue.  At all.  Well you could argue EVERYTHING is a legal issue but I am not going down that road.  Can you walk backwards?  Something gives you the right to do it.  Most of these simple things that don't need to be debated are basic Constitutional rights.  I am not going to spend time on supporting against your false assumption - hey I don't like something so it might be illegal.  Find me a law that allows you to walk backwards.  Find me a law that says men can't meet after work but women can have yoga classes at work." CreationDate="2015-04-25T15:13:29.093" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7074" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="constitutional rights are `&quot;simple things&quot;`? If you've studies law you should know that isn't true. This isn't `&quot;a legal issue&quot;`? Then why are you talking about the constitution? My `&quot;false assumption&quot;`? I never used legal reasoning to say my opinion on was correct; I'm only saying that you need better reasons. If you want, you can make the argument that people &quot;should&quot; be able to hang out with their bosses after work in groups, or that it's professional to do so, but that's different than saying they have a right to do so." CreationDate="2015-04-25T15:22:01.597" UserDisplayName="user383" />
  <row Id="7075" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@Christofian - yes most basic rights fall under the 1st amendment.  This is covered in any 101 level law class.  And you brought up Robers vs JCs.  And you have yet to give me a law that allows you to walk backwards or for women to have women's only yoga classes at work.  I have discussed Roberts vs. JC.  Next move is you answering." CreationDate="2015-04-25T15:25:19.820" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7076" PostId="3133" Score="1" Text="@blankip against my better judgement I will answer your arguments [in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/23175/constitutional-debate). However, I hope it's clear to everyone else that more work has to be done for this answer to work." CreationDate="2015-04-25T15:35:21.900" UserDisplayName="user383" />
  <row Id="7079" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="I just want to say I love how you guys are disagreeing in such a constructive way. Some of the, ah, I'll call them disagreements I've seen as a moderator on this site could use this perspective." CreationDate="2015-04-25T18:10:53.557" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7080" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@enderland - I have never answered a question with so many up and downvotes.  I also don't understand the huge opinion that this is obviously illegal when none of those people have a reason why women's yoga classes at my work are fine.  Really done arguing about it." CreationDate="2015-04-25T19:13:27.440" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7081" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@blankip before I end the debate, let me just say that women's yoga classes are also not constitutionally protected (they are neither intimate or expressive associations), and that whether they are &quot;fine&quot; is another (non-constitutional) issue. **I think one of the reasons behind the debate may be that the question should be edited to only focus on what is professional, as opposed to what is permitted.** e.g. &quot;As a boss, what guidelines should I follow when I want to make friends with my employees outside of work.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-04-25T20:19:03.353" UserDisplayName="user383" />
  <row Id="7083" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@Christofian - my answer was just how I honestly think this would pan out in the real world USA.  I am a bit torn because I strongly strongly believe that everyone should be treated the same.  I hate seeing preferential treatment in old-boys clubs, I hate racism of any kind, and I also can't stand minority groups given advantages - as I believe this fosters racism and isn't treating everyone fair.  However before this I believe in the autonomy and freedom the USA gives its citizens.  One day it might be illegal to do this guys night out... sadly." CreationDate="2015-04-26T04:06:42.257" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7091" PostId="3133" Score="1" Text="@blankip that is completely fair: my problem with your answer was that I felt you stated &quot;the constitution gives people x rights&quot; as if it was a simple fact. If you had said &quot;I believe in the autonomy and freedom the USA gives its citizens&quot; I would have been more supportive of your answer." CreationDate="2015-04-26T15:35:17.827" UserDisplayName="user383" />
  <row Id="14459" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="Not sure why there are so many down-votes for this. The First Amendment absolutely is the correct answer here." CreationDate="2017-12-26T16:09:12.930" UserId="58098" />
  <row Id="14463" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@PoloHoleSet - Because the first amendment only applies if the government itself is trying to prevent your speech.  An employer has no requirement to protect your right to speak where they are concerned." CreationDate="2017-12-27T01:12:15.260" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14466" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings -  Fair enough. - &quot;From a legal perspective, assuming we’re not in a state such as New York or California, the employer is opening itself up to liability, assuming this is truly a non-work related directive. If the employer is simply trying to control an employee’s private life or social life, then that directive could likely be an unfair labor practice under the National Labor Relations Act, as well as a violation of common law privacy laws.&quot;  http://www.askamanager.org/2012/02/can-my-company-prohibit-me-from-socializing-with-coworkers.html" CreationDate="2017-12-27T15:58:44.547" UserId="58098" />
  <row Id="14467" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="And the lawyer excludes New York or California from this hypothetical because they have specific laws that bar employers from interfering in the private lives of employees, period." CreationDate="2017-12-27T16:00:35.893" UserId="58098" />
  <row Id="14468" PostId="3133" Score="0" Text="@PoloHoleSet - I had already decided to hire the applicant before I asked the question it was just an attempt to get to know them better... Yeah it looks bad but the question itself is not some legal third rail." CreationDate="2017-12-28T01:26:46.683" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7055" PostId="3134" Score="5" Text="I am not complaining about the comments being deleted, but with them being deleted the fact that the answer is being challenged is being lost.  That is the part that I find problematic." CreationDate="2015-04-24T16:08:49.840" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7057" PostId="3134" Score="1" Text="Thanks for clarifying. There may be a tiny bit of challenge buried in a great big pile of argument, but if so it's really hard to find. The early wave of comments was moved to the linked chat room, but there's no automated way to add more comments to that room so the later ones got deleted. But what I just saw was a lot of tangential discussion of women's yoga classes, other types of discrimination (not relevant cases, just other discussion), &amp; stuff like that. If a comment shows up that asks for clarification or raises an issue in a way that *doesn't* invite this, I don't plan to delete it." CreationDate="2015-04-24T16:13:39.733" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7058" PostId="3134" Score="0" Text="The point is this isn't about discrimination.  This is about a function for men.  The question asked was hardly, &quot;I found a picture of my supervisor in KKK garb and now he wants to only meet with white guys after work.&quot;  But this is more or less how the question is being taken from some people.  It is not a legal question yet.  And for HR to step in may make it a legal question on their side.  You can debate ethically what a manager should or shouldn't do - but then this has to go all ways (gender, race, age)." CreationDate="2015-04-24T16:21:16.273" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7084" PostId="3135" Score="0" Text="The original question was a little bit of a rant but fine.  I agree that the additions should be deleted.  But this is more about the author just expressing her feelings and not understanding the &quot;rules&quot; of SE.  I think she just asked the question really early into the problem - which is a compliment to the SE community.  I for one hate closing questions.  Some yes are obvious but others should be reworded if they can to help the author.   Jest deleting stuff is akin to censorship though.  I am sure by the number of hits and comments that the question was relevant and helping many." CreationDate="2015-04-26T04:13:23.727" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7086" PostId="3135" Score="2" Text="The many additions to the question (including the stuff you quoted, and the drawing) made things much worse.  The original question should have been tightened up earlier; I think most of the answerers inferred the question (is this a problem and if so how do I resolve it).  I made an edit to cut out all the extra stuff and make the question a little more clear." CreationDate="2015-04-26T04:44:30.973" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7089" PostId="3135" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio now you have to figure what to do with answers which &quot;inferred&quot; the ranty part. After the cleanup, their answers would appear to readers like taken from thin air; that's not good" CreationDate="2015-04-26T07:50:54.357" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7090" PostId="3135" Score="0" Text="@gnat most of the answers predated all those additions.  I looked through the answers and don't see any that are damaged by this edit to the question; even the ones that quote from the question are still valid (those quotes are still there).  Which answers are you referring to?  My edit was mostly a *reversion*, not a *rewrite*, though I did also insert an answerable question (that answers had already inferred)." CreationDate="2015-04-26T15:28:22.387" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7093" PostId="3135" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I briefly re-checked all the answers, things aren't quite clear cut, but as example [this one](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/44654/168) looks off in the context of the question as of rev 27. Part of the answer that &quot;inspired&quot; [this very meta question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/3132/168) could make readers raise eyebrows - &quot;hockey managers&quot;, what's this" CreationDate="2015-04-26T21:33:01.053" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7094" PostId="3135" Score="0" Text="That first answer was a response to [revision 9](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/44587/9), before the explosion of distress (partially quoted in your answer here) happened, so I think that's ok.  As for the answer that inspired the present meta question, the author edited it, presumably in response to this question (at least in part), so I'm not sure what you'd have us do there." CreationDate="2015-04-26T21:42:56.143" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7095" PostId="3135" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio as far as  I can tell, [first answer I mentioned](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/44654/168) addresses that troublesome &quot;feelings validation&quot; part, which was there from the very beginning and in all next revisions until you cleaned it out. As for the second one, I really can't tell what to do with it, I only point to that for readers, &quot;hockey managers&quot; stuff may look really out of context there" CreationDate="2015-04-26T21:57:01.137" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7071" PostId="3136" Score="0" Text="A lot of comments were moved/deleted.  She did state at a point in comments or question (changed many times) that the social gatherings were.  You do raise a good point here and if this has been lost then I should add something to the beginning of my answer limiting its value to only private social gatherings.  Obviously if these were work gatherings, my answer would be very very different.  But this was answered by the OP from the start and the first few answers reflected this." CreationDate="2015-04-25T05:03:27.027" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7078" PostId="3136" Score="3" Text="Part of the problem is that when an OP clearly wants to troll/have a not constructive question, it's difficult to focus (as you have perfectly articulated). The significant edit Monica made was rolled back and additional not-constructive commentary added to the question." CreationDate="2015-04-25T18:09:53.517" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7082" PostId="3136" Score="0" Text="@enderland I think that the question should be simplified even further, perhaps to &quot;as a boss, how can I socialize with my employees outside of work while remaining professional.&quot; Right now it's asking too many things, including &quot;what recourse does OP have&quot;, which is too complicated." CreationDate="2015-04-25T20:21:21.353" UserDisplayName="user383" />
  <row Id="7098" PostId="3136" Score="0" Text="I agree my problem was with the original top answer, not yours.  If I had a magic want I would reverse the vote totals and yours would be at the top..." CreationDate="2015-04-28T22:57:16.977" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7132" PostId="3137" Score="0" Text="The developer of doxygen tool provides what is essentially customer support on StackOverflow through this account: http://stackoverflow.com/users/784672/doxygen, and nobody seems to have a problem with that. Unless the company account is actively promoting their products on unrelated questions, IMHO there shouldn't be a problem." CreationDate="2015-05-10T16:01:42.920" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7134" PostId="3137" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - sounds like good social media advertising. Again, I'm surprised." CreationDate="2015-05-11T00:14:53.107" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7099" PostId="3138" Score="1" Text="The question is now reopened after 5 votes" CreationDate="2015-04-29T08:34:00.363" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="7101" PostId="3139" Score="1" Text="[Can a question with an accepted answer be closed as unanswerable](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/258433/839601)" CreationDate="2015-04-29T13:14:46.873" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7102" PostId="3139" Score="0" Text="@gnat - it's clear that a question with an answer can't be *unanswerable* - by definition. As far as *closing* it, that's for others to decide. Any question can be closed with reason text that matches reality or not. If a member answers a question in a forest, but nobody is around, what sound does it make? (or something like that...)" CreationDate="2015-04-29T14:18:28.460" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7103" PostId="3139" Score="0" Text="per my reading of the guidance referred in prior comment, mere fact of users dropping something into Question and Answer text boxes is not sufficient to qualify the result as a content worth keeping (not even if asker clicks an Accept mark)" CreationDate="2015-04-29T15:06:03.270" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7104" PostId="3139" Score="1" Text="@gant - I understand. Rather than &quot;unanswerable&quot; it's actually more like &quot;not worth keeping&quot;." CreationDate="2015-04-29T15:25:25.817" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7105" PostId="3139" Score="1" Text="This is the way I read it as well and also seems to correspond to @mhoran_psprep's answer.  There doesn't seem to be a close reason that equates to &quot;not worth keeping&quot;, though.   Maybe we need one?" CreationDate="2015-04-30T01:14:29.280" UserId="14047" />
  <row Id="7126" PostId="3140" Score="0" Text="Actually, I don't think the change invalidates the answers. The best response to &quot;how should I word this&quot; remains &quot;don't&quot;." CreationDate="2015-05-07T04:50:27.813" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="7106" PostId="3141" Score="0" Text="Why do we have an 'untagged' tag? Is it to aid new users who cannot quite figure out what to do with the tags? And how are they able to figure out *that*?" CreationDate="2015-04-30T08:22:37.510" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7109" PostId="3141" Score="0" Text="@Happy questions which are migrated, the tag removed, etc.  A few edge cases." CreationDate="2015-04-30T12:00:56.193" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7111" PostId="3142" Score="0" Text="I did a big cleanup of the &quot;chasing&quot; question - deleted a lot and tried to focus it - but I'm not sure if it's enough. I focused on &quot;how can I ask why they're doing it?&quot; but it might be better to go with the (perceived) prejudice angle." CreationDate="2015-04-30T16:34:27.477" UserId="13605" />
  <row Id="7113" PostId="3143" Score="1" Text="It looks like this was edited, migrated away, and came back (migration rejected), after which the OP deleted it.  It had two reopen votes, so I left a comment for the OP about that.  If it gets undeleted we can take another look." CreationDate="2015-05-01T01:02:34.173" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7115" PostId="3144" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Some resources for more info for you: [Dr. Strangedupe: Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love Duplication](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/11/dr-strangedupe-or-how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-duplication/), [Help Center - Duplicates](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/duplicates), [Do not delete good duplicates!](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/32311/do-not-delete-good-duplicates). If these don't help you find the answer you're looking for, I think a new question on this meta or the global StackExchange meta is appropriate." CreationDate="2015-05-01T17:25:20.700" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="7123" PostId="3145" Score="0" Text="The question (in its current form) seems clear and on-topic to me." CreationDate="2015-05-04T15:12:55.197" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7116" PostId="3146" Score="0" Text="I have removed that phrase and attempted to make it even more clear that the question is for the general situation in Australia for employment contracts, but it was still closed." CreationDate="2015-05-04T00:07:21.340" UserId="5769" />
  <row Id="7117" PostId="3147" Score="0" Text="Well, in general, if there are no *specific terms about resignation* in the agreements, isn't there a reasonable answer? For instance, here in the US, there are some *at will employment* or *right to work* questions, and of course the specifics vary, but *at will employment* is broad enough that it isn't considered off topic." CreationDate="2015-05-04T02:38:19.427" UserId="5769" />
  <row Id="7118" PostId="3147" Score="0" Text="@daaxix I don't know what &quot;at will employment&quot; is in the sense given, so I can't give you an comparison on it.  Here we have awards, but again they are very much industry specific.  And beyond not giving worse conditions than the minimum allowable, there are certainly many variations from employment contract to employment contract." CreationDate="2015-05-04T02:41:19.293" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7119" PostId="3147" Score="0" Text="Perhaps the question is, afterall, too specific, but for instance, it is common knowledge in the USA that, generally, a person may resign or quit for any reason with no notice, and a company may fire or lay off for any reason *which isn't in a special protected off limits list,* also with no notice. In Australia more employment seems to be governed by employment contracts, so are you saying that there is no general sense of when and how and the general rules of resigning/quitting? I have already found that both employees and employers are bound by a notice period for example..." CreationDate="2015-05-04T03:12:29.747" UserId="5769" />
  <row Id="7120" PostId="3147" Score="0" Text="@daaxix Actually I'm saying that the rules are too diverse to generalise :)" CreationDate="2015-05-04T03:16:18.490" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7122" PostId="3147" Score="0" Text="@daaxix The reason why at-will employment is on-topic is because that is US labor law. It is not simply something that is widely used in employment contracts - it is absolutely true for (most) employment contracts in the US. If that law were not in place, then answering questions about employment and resignation terms would be considered off-topic." CreationDate="2015-05-04T12:44:56.423" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7127" PostId="3151" Score="3" Text="explaining [meta-tag:close-reasons] in answer feels weird. [answer] guidance doesn't seem to suggest anything like that" CreationDate="2015-05-07T14:24:26.990" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7128" PostId="3153" Score="0" Text="+1 This is what I do as well.  Comment to inform the user that it can't be answered, and vote to close." CreationDate="2015-05-08T05:10:23.020" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7129" PostId="3153" Score="1" Text="I definitely agree with this, but I'm more wondering what we do with the answers that *other* people post" CreationDate="2015-05-08T12:09:06.720" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7130" PostId="3156" Score="1" Text="As @enderland has said, there was a pending suggested edit that prevented you from editing yourself.  We try to put tooltips on these kinds of items ([here's what it would have looked like](http://i.stack.imgur.com/ojcvs.png)), but these built-in browser tooltips are often overlooked and we're working on making them clearer (as in the new user profile)." CreationDate="2015-05-10T03:21:41.123" UserId="99" />
  <row Id="7133" PostId="3156" Score="0" Text="@JarrodDixon yeah... I've used SE a long while now and never remember to look at the tooltips... oops :)" CreationDate="2015-05-10T20:20:29.887" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7219" PostId="3159" Score="3" Text="I was under the impression that we close those question because of the &quot;I&quot; in &quot;What should *I* learn.&quot; we cannot possibly guess what is best for another person. But &quot;how to become an airline pilot&quot; seems to be pretty straightforward, unlike unanswerables like &quot;C# or Java&quot;." CreationDate="2015-05-18T16:43:58.120" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="7221" PostId="3159" Score="1" Text="@Nvoight - No general how do I become a ___ questions have been off topic since early in beta." CreationDate="2015-05-18T17:42:20.753" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7136" PostId="3160" Score="9" Text="see [What is the etiquette for modifying posts?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/11476/165773) and [The Great Edit Wars](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/03/the-great-edit-wars/) &quot; if you aren’t comfortable with the community editing your posts, Stack Overflow may not be the right website for you...&quot;" CreationDate="2015-05-15T17:34:10.530" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7137" PostId="3160" Score="2" Text="@gnat - I am sorry that I don't have more rep to go back and grab the comments and stuff to make a better question.  This is not about that yet.  I feel that it is more about mod to mod interaction on this site being different than mod to user." CreationDate="2015-05-15T17:42:47.403" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7162" PostId="3160" Score="5" Text="@gnat From the &quot;The Great Edit Wars&quot; link: &quot;if the author of the post is resistant to your editing changes, even a perfectly legitimate edit based on the above rules, be the bigger man (or woman) and let them have it their way.&quot; Blankip is asking for exactly that, while the moderators keep editing." CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:08:36.360" UserId="34797" />
  <row Id="7165" PostId="3160" Score="0" Text="@Sjoerd I knew this will come up. Note it's #4 in the list, which opens with as fairly strong statement: &quot;I don’t like to see people go, but sometimes it’s just not a good fit&quot;. Per my reading, this means, author's resistance is to be respected only within context defined in prior points" CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:16:54.937" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7179" PostId="3160" Score="4" Text="...upon closer look, _respect-author_ part of the article appears to be focused on explaining how Stack Exchange editing differs from that on Wikipedia. Over here, it is definitely not okay to _add_ something that wasn't intended by post author, and this is completely different from Wikipedia where articles are anonymous by desigh. With this in mind, worth noting that edit we discuss did not _add_ anything to the post (it only removed part of it)" CreationDate="2015-05-15T22:24:04.760" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7193" PostId="3160" Score="6" Text="@gnat shame on you for trying to run off this user. Removing content like that changes the meaning of the remaining content. We excise content that is superfluous. Not content that is about the subject matter at hand. Even entirely redundant content removal is questionable. *I* think the content was removed because the mod removing it disagreed with it. Mods are called on to be judicious. This was overstepping." CreationDate="2015-05-17T01:56:43.447" UserId="12321" />
  <row Id="7228" PostId="3160" Score="3" Text="my point is, there's no easy way out here. You won't find an authoritative reference that discourages edits similar to one we discuss here. To be blunt, an answer to _general_, non-specific part of this question (&quot;What right do mods have...&quot;) is, not only moderators, every 2K user has a _fundamental_ right to edit posts as they see fit. Specific edits of course can be wrong, that's why there is even a dedicated feature to deal with these (rollback). But to explain that particular edit is wrong indeed, one needs more than vague slogans about author rights and content removal" CreationDate="2015-05-20T08:57:12.650" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7677" PostId="3160" Score="1" Text="Wow, excellent question, excellent answer about religion vs law, but for some reason so highly downvoted. Feel sorry for you." CreationDate="2015-09-19T08:36:21.180" UserId="32436" />
  <row Id="7135" PostId="3161" Score="2" Text="The comments are just the tip.  It is my answer being edited that I find outrageous.  I will work on the wording on things but I feel that you edited the &quot;best&quot; part of the answer out of it.  It would be nice for you to show the edited section and not two comments." CreationDate="2015-05-15T17:27:18.550" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7138" PostId="3161" Score="10" Text="If you're not comfortable with other people editing your posts, this may not be the right place for you.  You agreed to that in the terms of use.  And if that were actually the best part of your answer it would have already been deleted as *not an answer*.  The revision history is public: everybody is welcome to inspect the history." CreationDate="2015-05-15T17:50:46.803" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7139" PostId="3161" Score="1" Text="You deleted a whole section not edited it.  It was a boom/swipe/delete job.  How about I start doing that to parts of your answers I don't like?" CreationDate="2015-05-15T17:53:57.143" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7142" PostId="3161" Score="7" Text="You've been pointed to information about edits; I suggest you read it.  Edits *that comply with site policies* are welcome on anybody's posts, including mine.  Editing because you don't like a post isn't.  And that's not what I did in your case.  If you can't see that, there is nothing else I can do to explain it to you.  It's time for you to calm down, read the documentation, and start participating productively.  (And at your reputation level I assume you know by now how to look at revision histories.)" CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:00:13.627" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7143" PostId="3161" Score="2" Text="I am completely calm about this. I just think that people are being treated differently here.  And I think it needs to be addressed.  It seems that you want to ignore that.  That is fine and I will take it to the Meta site." CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:06:43.047" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7147" PostId="3161" Score="2" Text="So are you saying that if I don't have an answer I can comment on someone's answer but if I do have an answer then I have to take comments about issues with their answer and stick them in mine?  I have never heard of this.  Can you refer me to this documentation on SE?" CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:36:42.937" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7148" PostId="3161" Score="1" Text="This is the kind of editing wars that made Wikipedia untrustworthy. In case of editing conflicts, the one originally posting the answer should have the final say." CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:37:36.577" UserId="34797" />
  <row Id="7149" PostId="3161" Score="5" Text="@blankip see [the Help Center page on comments](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment).  In particular, see &quot;When should I comment?&quot; and &quot;When *shouldn't* I comment?&quot;.  Comments that are in line with those policies stick around; comments that are not in line with them are deleted when we become aware of them.  Just because you have something to say doesn't mean that we have to provide a platform for you to say it on." CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:38:56.733" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7150" PostId="3161" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio - That page in no way answers the question I asked stemming from your assertion that I am not allowed to comment on another answer based on me having an answer." CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:42:16.743" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7153" PostId="3161" Score="4" Text="@blankip I don't see how you could possibly get what you suggested from anything I've said or done, nor how you could think that your interpretation is reasonable if you'd read the documentation people have provided you." CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:51:45.663" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7157" PostId="3161" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio - what did you last comment mean?  Can you please be specific?  You keep referring to guidelines.  I am asking for the specific guideline you are referring to.  Thanks." CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:58:17.947" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7164" PostId="3161" Score="4" Text="@MichaelFredrickson it has nothing to do with my personal opinions (and for the record I don't follow religious laws about touching).  Assuming that working around a *social* convention is somehow *workplace discrimination* is a pretty big leap, don't you think?" CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:15:12.200" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7166" PostId="3161" Score="3" Text="@MichaelFredrickson - Thank you for the comment.  See we have gotten to the bottom the issue on this question.  Monica doesn't agree with my answer so she deletes part of it.  She then keeps comments that disagree with my answer there while wiping away similar comments from other answers that she does agree with.  I find this to be appalling mod behavior.  It is not the right of a mod to delete things they don't agree with and lock an answer." CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:18:21.387" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7168" PostId="3161" Score="3" Text="@MonicaCellio - based on your comment then you should go downvote my answer (which I am sure you have done).  Please refer to the Help Center page on what you should do if you disagree with an answer.  However this does not give you the right to play with the entire question and delete things you don't agree with.  Please go downvote my answer and then leave it alone." CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:20:36.550" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7191" PostId="3161" Score="4" Text="@MonicaCellio I am really confused by your summary of blankip's addendum. It basically said &quot;Unfortunately I would be remiss not to mention the fact that there is a negative stereotype in the US against Muslims which is blah. Be aware that doing blah may lead people to believe blah about you.&quot; S/he wasn't promoting or approving the stereotype, just presenting it as a sad fact of life. There are other parts of the answer that sound distinctly dodgier to me, so I'm not sure why you singled out that part. Can you be more specific about how you feel that the addedum violated site policy?" CreationDate="2015-05-16T20:02:43.520" UserId="13605" />
  <row Id="7197" PostId="3161" Score="0" Text="@starsplusplus see my edit to the answer." CreationDate="2015-05-17T03:53:34.177" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7273" PostId="3161" Score="1" Text="@starsplusplus - Does this sum up?  Don't comment on a mod's answer, put it in your own answer.  Then when mod's don't like the same comment in your answer then they delete that part of the answer.  Then when you readd that part of the answer they lock your answer.  Then when you raise any questions about the mod's they use circular logic." CreationDate="2015-06-01T21:50:30.250" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7140" PostId="3162" Score="5" Text="All of the comments then existing on enderland's answer were moved to chat.  A link saying to take it to chat was posted there. Are you saying that you continued to post comments instead of taking it to chat as requested?  And you're surprised that got deleted?" CreationDate="2015-05-15T17:54:29.797" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7141" PostId="3162" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - See now you are using some circular logic and HR type of mind games.  My question ALSO said things were moved to chat yet you kept the comments of some and not others there.   Also being a mod can you help me edit my question?  I would like you to find the original comments that correlate directly to Enderland's original answer.  I would also like my comments to Enderland's question so that people can see the similarities." CreationDate="2015-05-15T17:58:21.957" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7144" PostId="3162" Score="1" Text="Relevant: http://i.stack.imgur.com/lMnCX.png" CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:28:22.683" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7145" PostId="3162" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - I find it really odd that I asked for your help to find data for my question/this answer and you have a screenshot of you telling me to put information in my answer not comments, and then you delete those sections of my answer.  Am I in bizzaro world?" CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:31:06.260" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7146" PostId="3162" Score="1" Text="What you add to an answer still has to be *relevant as part of an answer*.  What I removed was not, which I have already explained.  Feel free to escalate your complaint; there's a &quot;contact us&quot; link on every page that goes straight to SE." CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:35:29.097" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7151" PostId="3162" Score="3" Text="@MonicaCellio - I am not trying to be rude.  I have an argument and you are presenting me with circular logic and you cannot answer why my comments were removed from Enderland's post and yet similar comments remained on mine FOR THE EXACT SAME CIRCUMSTANCES.    And you have never answered how the parts you deleted weren't relevant to my answer.  You must think very very highly of your personal opinions." CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:43:26.720" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7198" PostId="3162" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio You're being challenged on comment deletes and such. It would go a long way to snapshot *all* of them, even if it is a hundred long. Let the facts speak for themselves." CreationDate="2015-05-17T06:09:17.583" UserDisplayName="user15729" />
  <row Id="7204" PostId="3162" Score="3" Text="@fredsbend y'know, I think that would be pretty educational.  Stand by for a new answer with several screen shots." CreationDate="2015-05-17T14:35:03.863" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7152" PostId="3163" Score="3" Text="When the &quot;final say&quot; does not follow site guidelines, do you then agree that the post in question should be deleted -- that deleting inappropriate content is better if the author insists on his version?" CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:48:46.903" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7154" PostId="3163" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Whether or not the answer follows side guidelines (which, BTW, are guidelines) is frequently in the eye of the beholder. We shouldn't allow abusing guidelines to enforce one's point of view - let voting take care of that." CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:52:24.250" UserId="34797" />
  <row Id="7156" PostId="3163" Score="5" Text="As noted in enderland's answer on this question, the removed content is a clear violation of the &quot;be nice&quot; rule.  That's an SE-wide *rule*.  Either stuff like that has to be edited out or the post has to be deleted; given those choices, which do you favor?" CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:57:53.450" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7158" PostId="3163" Score="3" Text="According to your logic, the original post should be deleted - after all, not shaking hands of women is considered &quot;not nice&quot; by a lot of people." CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:01:56.140" UserId="34797" />
  <row Id="7160" PostId="3163" Score="4" Text="The question is just fine.  It's respectful, describes a workplace-related problem, and asks for solutions.  I hope all the people calling the OP a bigot didn't chase him off." CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:06:31.357" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7161" PostId="3163" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio - I felt that all of my posts were nice.  When you are debating something and you present a counter argument that doesn't mean you are being mean.  I was trying to convey an even/neutral stance about how his situation may be perceived.  Can you give me an example of when I was not nice?" CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:06:32.027" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7170" PostId="3163" Score="3" Text="@blankip you don't see how comparing Islam and the Muslim original poster to the KKK is offensive or &quot;not nice?&quot; Your answer (and many comments on the posts there) is deliberately drawing the analogy that the OP's actions resulting from his religious beliefs are comparable to the KKK." CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:26:11.743" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7171" PostId="3163" Score="2" Text="@enderland - Are you serious?  I even had a note that I wasn't comparing the two.  I was showing an example of how far someone could take freedom of religion.  This has already been through US courts.  I DELETED THIS POINT MYSELF because I did not want the association in my answer.   This was edited out very quickly (BY ME) and almost all of the votes were after this.  Even with the KKK - EXAMPLE - it has nothing to do with nice or not nice.  It was an example and I mentioned it was the most extreme.   What does this even have to do with this question?" CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:31:01.113" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7181" PostId="3163" Score="6" Text="The one point you're missing, @blankip, is that SE isn't a platform for debate/discussion, which is also why mods on this site have been removing comments.  While Workplace SE is not a technology topic, this is still a Q&amp;A site, and answers to questions should *objectively answer the question* and be supported by our [back it up](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/255/98) policy. Claims you make should be backed with facts, references, or experiences you've had that support your assertions, and most importantly, should *answer the question of how to politely decline shaking hands.*" CreationDate="2015-05-16T00:32:54.180" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7155" PostId="3164" Score="0" Text="That is not true.  I was posting mine while comments were made that said things like don't shake hands with anyone and that is exactly what your original answer said.  You have now edited it many times.  So it is different but many of your original upvotes came directly from a comment that was deleted by a mod.  This comment was still present (maybe I needed to refresh page) while I saw your answer pop up." CreationDate="2015-05-15T18:56:40.910" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7159" PostId="3164" Score="0" Text="Also the exact thing that is in my question was deleted.  This was my second attempt at wording it so that it directly answered the question.  It was deleted.  Please don't confuse people.  This was deleted.  I had a very very similar revision that was deleted, I tried to make it even more relevant (it was already) and then it was deleted." CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:03:15.100" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7167" PostId="3164" Score="3" Text="@blankip after further investigation, it seems you are correct - a Community Manager had purged comments about 9 minutes before I posted my [very short at that point] answer. One of those comments did contain what you are describing (after quite not constructive content). I apologize for not noticing this when I double and triple checked the deleted comments and timestamps.." CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:19:18.187" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7169" PostId="3164" Score="0" Text="I am not accusing you of stealing an answer.  I don't know nor do I care what you were looking.  Your answer did come at the exact same time of comment though.  You have to imagine how dubious this all looks when paired with so much biased mod behavior on a question.  I have never had issues with mods on the site before and it is sad that some sort of religious/political/legal question strikes people to act differently." CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:25:15.267" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7172" PostId="3164" Score="2" Text="@blankip the comment I am referring to on the question was added at 8:15pm server time, was deleted at 8:31, and my answer came at 8:41 (rounding to nearest minute)." CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:31:47.773" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7173" PostId="3164" Score="0" Text="Yes I know.  I was editing my answer at the time.  If it was deleted at 8:31 and you hit the submit button at 8:41 it was most assuredly on your screen while you were writing your answer." CreationDate="2015-05-15T19:34:46.110" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7174" PostId="3165" Score="6" Text="Thank you for your answer.  Your answer is purely reflective of the mods abusing this site.  You are telling me to calm down while I am presenting rational points and you are calling me a &quot;fool&quot;.  Also the mods are telling me my post weren't &quot;nice&quot; (and deleting) but I don't see anyone editing your answer saying that I am acting like a fool.  The only thing foolish here is the logic.   Seriously - and I am actually having a great day.  See people can present arguments while being in a great mood - sorry you are taking it differently." CreationDate="2015-05-15T20:38:40.077" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7175" PostId="3165" Score="3" Text="Also you have listed exactly zero examples of how my answer was not relevant to the question.  Zero.  I believe that I have a very good track record of answering questions.  And I don't see anything wrong with what I wrote on this one.  Please give specific examples of what wasn't relative and why.  You are the calm/rational one so this should be easy for you.  Also you did not answer why my comments were deleted and the others stayed and then my comments were deleted under Enderland's." CreationDate="2015-05-15T20:51:50.607" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7176" PostId="3165" Score="0" Text="The only thing that you have answered is the question about Enderland's answer.  I know that you stated that the comment &quot; Vaguely resembles&quot; the original answer but I think most rational people would think it is very similar if not exact in sentiments.  Rewriting the exact sentiments is a form of plagiarism.  By you deleting the comments and a mod having access to the deleted comments and the commenter probably being turned off by their comments being deleted I see an issue.  Sorry if you don't." CreationDate="2015-05-15T20:55:02.517" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7177" PostId="3165" Score="4" Text="@blankip, fair first point.  I agree with Shog's post, but a couple of lines *were* less nice than we aim for, so I did edit them." CreationDate="2015-05-15T21:14:55.377" UserId="2173" />
  <row Id="7178" PostId="3165" Score="11" Text="See, this is the sort of behavior that's really hurting your cause here, @blankip - if you can look at the two blocks I quoted and see evidence of plagiarism, then you need to look in a mirror (or rather, your own answer). Then you need to read the rest of the answers and comments on the question in question. These accusations and continued insistence on accusation instead of taking the time to take stock of the situation and build a coherent argument have cost you any credibility you might've had with me in this discussion; I've answered your questions - take it or leave it." CreationDate="2015-05-15T21:20:01.900" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="7180" PostId="3165" Score="7" Text="I just wanna say how much I respect you employees at StackExchange. You're really awesome people who know how to *exemplify* the kind of behavior you want to see in the community." CreationDate="2015-05-15T22:50:41.797" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="7182" PostId="3165" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 - do you work on the enterprise solution too and does your bosses accept this kind of behavior?   Just wondering because our company has been talking to your sales dept about trialing enterprise.  Just asking because you might want to ask on the workplace SE if you should be telling a potential client that he is a  fool.  I will be contacting our sales rep." CreationDate="2015-05-16T04:11:09.240" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7184" PostId="3165" Score="6" Text="@blankip Shog was trying to help you realize just how unwise your behavior is, in hopes of helping you see that you should change said behavior. Resorting to threatening a business deal over your voluntary participation in this community (which has *nothing* to do with whether a privately run StackExchange will be valuable to your company) is really just more of the same behavior." CreationDate="2015-05-16T15:08:01.923" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="7185" PostId="3165" Score="4" Text="@blankip Jay made some edits _while agreeing_ with your point. That is Shog9's boss, I just want to be certain that [you read his comment](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3160/what-right-do-mods-have-in-reconstructing-my-answers-and-comments/3165#comment7177_3165), as such things tend to slip by when notifications are plentiful :) There was some frustration that wasn't articulated as thoughtfully as it could have been, _that has been remedied_. I understand if you're still a bit sour about everything, but please do account for it being remedied." CreationDate="2015-05-16T16:05:44.850" UserId="5657" />
  <row Id="7186" PostId="3165" Score="1" Text="@TimPost - Listen I believe that your mods on this site were abusing their privileges.  That is way beyond the point.  I have been an active member of SE for years and just did an enterprise presentation of SE to our advisory board last month.  The issue is this - when a user has an issue with a mod/fellow employee the mod then has an answer that belittles the user and doesn't even come close to ATTEMPTING to answer the question.  THEN all his mod buddies come by and upvote his answer (which answers nothing) - cont." CreationDate="2015-05-16T16:40:03.407" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7187" PostId="3165" Score="0" Text="@TimPost - So now we have a bunch of mods/employees upvoting another mod belittling a member - please don't act like non-mods upvoted this - I am not dumb.  Did he know I was a potential customer?  I don't think so.  Should anyone be treated like this?  Holy cow no.  This makes me think if we have a problem with your enterprise solution that if I disagree with your employees then a will get a heap of other employees that jump on to tell me that I am wrong.  Trust me we have bad vendors with this behavior and we don't want to have anything to do with it.  I will take this to our sales rep." CreationDate="2015-05-16T16:43:14.123" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7188" PostId="3165" Score="0" Text="Also I took video captures of all of these comments, revision history, and the original question.  Want to make sure when SE management wonders why they have such a great product with low sales (you do know enterprise SE is ungodly expensive right?) that they understand the issues.  I haven't had many issues with mods on SE but I have seen this sort of behavior towards others more than once.   [What is funny is you have a mod admitting deleting my content below because she didn't like it and another admitting copying a deleted comment - good job mods]" CreationDate="2015-05-16T16:49:14.087" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7189" PostId="3165" Score="4" Text="@blankip Would you mind reaching out to me at tpost@stackoverflow.com? Cramming this into comments _probably_ won't work so well. I'd like to talk." CreationDate="2015-05-16T17:04:01.260" UserId="5657" />
  <row Id="7218" PostId="3165" Score="4" Text="I wonder if you know the difference between moderation and censorship. Moderators are not elected to delete content that they personally don't agree with. Don't agree with something in the answer? Downvote it and post a comment explaining what you think is wrong and why, and let OP have an opportunity to improve the post. OP has raised very valid points in his &quot;deleted&quot; answer. It might make the majority feel uncomfortable, but that doesn't automatically make it wrong. You are falling victim to the fallacy of Groupthink (look it up!)." CreationDate="2015-05-18T16:20:12.833" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7220" PostId="3165" Score="7" Text="Yeah... We're not here to host an open debate forum, @masked. Folks on this site tend to forget sometimes, but the purpose of this place - the *only* purpose - is to ask and answer questions about the workplace. If you'd rather do something else, then... Well, lots of other forums on this big ol' Internet." CreationDate="2015-05-18T17:03:01.450" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="7223" PostId="3165" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan you might be interested in this post - http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/3169/2322 - it provides more insight into _why_ that answer had the actions taken that were taken." CreationDate="2015-05-19T02:00:32.207" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7224" PostId="3165" Score="2" Text="@Shog9 If that is so, why not get rid of the comments feature entirely? If you don't agree with an answer, just edit it to suit *your* liking. That's what the site is about, isn't it?" CreationDate="2015-05-19T09:28:16.470" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7227" PostId="3165" Score="2" Text="@enderland I have no complaints about mods deleting the comments. I am only concerned about mods deleting several paragraphs from an answer. No matter what the provocation,  edits should not change the answer drastically. Find the tone of the answer too offensive? Then fix *that*, don't just get rid of the whole thing. That aside, there is nothing offensive in the portions that were deleted. Do you see any abusive language used there? He has raised a difficult question (as he even points out calling it &quot;elephant in the room&quot;), but that doesn't make it offensive by itself." CreationDate="2015-05-19T15:31:43.780" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7183" PostId="3166" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/289949/prevent-im-voting-to-close-this-because-it-belongs-on-custom-close-reasons#comment175406_289949" CreationDate="2015-05-16T05:42:09.317" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7190" PostId="3167" Score="0" Text="Upon further review,  might you be able to restore the comment? Or would you recommend that the OP repost it?" CreationDate="2015-05-16T17:19:38.583" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7199" PostId="3167" Score="6" Text="@JimG. - There's no community migration path to Islam SE, and this isn't a question we would migrate because it seems to fit Workplace SE, so reposting the comment would be unnecessary." CreationDate="2015-05-17T06:14:44.710" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7192" PostId="3168" Score="0" Text="@blankip perhaps you might have something to say here." CreationDate="2015-05-17T01:40:35.863" UserId="12321" />
  <row Id="7206" PostId="3168" Score="1" Text="possible duplicate of [What right do mods have in reconstructing my answers and comments?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3160/what-right-do-mods-have-in-reconstructing-my-answers-and-comments)" CreationDate="2015-05-17T16:55:40.533" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7208" PostId="3168" Score="5" Text="@AaronHall - There is no rule that says moderators should not actively participate in this site. Site moderators are selected in part due to their experience with the community and with Stack Exchange's mission.  As mentioned below, the post was locked because it was generating rude, off-topic, and non-answers, all of which are not part of our mission to make the Internet a better place.  If you wish to contact Stack Exchange for more clarification, please use the &quot;Contact Us&quot; link at the bottom of this page. Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2015-05-17T18:02:15.727" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7209" PostId="3168" Score="7" Text="Aaron first, as jmort said, mods are allowed to participate on the site.  But if you inspect the comments there carefully, my participation was primarily to *redirect blankip to more-constructive participation*.  Not only is that not a conflict of interest, but an astute reader would likely see it as the first warning bell: a moderator is telling you to knock off the arguments in comments." CreationDate="2015-05-17T19:15:41.343" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7210" PostId="3168" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio that's not the way I read it. I read it as you arguing the point under discussion. I think you need to pick a hat to wear." CreationDate="2015-05-17T20:22:07.440" UserId="12321" />
  <row Id="7196" PostId="3169" Score="2" Text="I don't think locking everything is at all constructive. In fact, the commotion appears to have died down. Now that the dust has settled, I think it apropos to reopen everything." CreationDate="2015-05-17T03:07:00.000" UserId="12321" />
  <row Id="7200" PostId="3169" Score="0" Text="@AaronHall All the hubbub was because the question ended up in the Hot Questions list. Locking the whole page for a few days was a great idea." CreationDate="2015-05-17T06:15:17.440" UserDisplayName="user15729" />
  <row Id="7203" PostId="3169" Score="2" Text="@AaronHall, keep in mind that locking a post is something we don't do often, and only when it's necessary to prevent our site from breaking down.  As enderland mentioned, the amount of flags, off-topic commentary, non-answers, and rudeness reached a threshold where locking the post seemed to be the best way to cool things off without us playing whack-a-mole with all of the flags.  We'll look into whether or not we're clear to unlock it. Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2015-05-17T14:02:04.077" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7212" PostId="3169" Score="0" Text="@AaronHall FYI - I edited in a large response to your additions to your initial post here. Hopefully this will help you better understand why the moderators here acted the way they did." CreationDate="2015-05-17T23:33:07.773" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7222" PostId="3169" Score="1" Text="Offensive, rude, and abusive comments should be handled with suspensions/bannings.  Especially in situations like this." CreationDate="2015-05-18T18:47:04.820" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7269" PostId="3169" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame - I believe that all of my responses/comments were very even on my answer.  We had a few people that went slightly overboard but they were just expressing their opinion one way or another.  The only abusive comment I read was made by a SE employee towards me and was deleted.  Nobody is talking about him being suspended though - the mods/employees just upvoted his harassing comment." CreationDate="2015-06-01T19:20:23.633" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7270" PostId="3169" Score="2" Text="@enderland - Please explain how my answer has any sort of bigotry in it?   What specifically was bigoted in it?  I was pretty clear that I felt that EVERYONE SHOULD BE TREATED THE SAME.  By pointing out that some people might find the person not shaking hands a bigot/sexist is not bigotry.  By stating the opposite stance and deleting my answer, I find it VERY sexist.  Actions speak louder than words and you allowed pro-Muslim discussion but not pro-woman.  Is your take on bigotry a reflection of SE and should this be its own meta question?" CreationDate="2015-06-01T19:24:54.247" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7194" PostId="3170" Score="2" Text="Ah great, then you can unlock it?" CreationDate="2015-05-17T02:56:53.800" UserId="12321" />
  <row Id="7195" PostId="3170" Score="2" Text="*Can*, yes.  When and whether anybody *will* I can't yet say, because I see a lot of new meta activity that I'm still catching up on and I need to check in with the other mods." CreationDate="2015-05-17T02:59:09.800" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7217" PostId="3170" Score="1" Text="@AaronHall for an example of how content dispute lock gets removed, refer [revisions history of a similarly disputed question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/44587/revisions). Per my observations, moderators tend to remove dispute locks after a week or two; if I spot a question hanging loner than that, I would consider flagging or asking about this in chat / meta" CreationDate="2015-05-18T09:48:06.893" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7268" PostId="3170" Score="1" Text="Did you mention that the edit that I rolled back was research related to my question and another not refuting another mod's answer (with research)?  Do you have a specific reason that I couldn't add research to my answer - isn't this what SE is about?  You and enderland also made comments that my answer was insensitive but this isn't in your answer?  So we have two big questions here - why would you delete research from an answer and why was my answer insensitive?" CreationDate="2015-06-01T19:17:23.567" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7272" PostId="3170" Score="0" Text="Did you read my answer to your other meta question?  I've already addressed the edit and am not going to do so again." CreationDate="2015-06-01T21:33:17.103" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7276" PostId="3170" Score="1" Text="Does anyone not working for SE or a mod think that Monica answered these questions in this question - http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3160/what-right-do-mods-have-in-reconstructing-my-answers-and-comments  I didn't see any specific stance on anything.  You said you didn't like what I said.  What made it offensive?  Which word(s)?  How is it offensive?  Is it offensive to you or by SE guidelines?  Jmort didn't say that it was offensive, he said I didn't answer the question.  So what was offensive??  Again answering with circular logic.  3 answers with no answer looping." CreationDate="2015-06-01T22:15:48.247" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7205" PostId="3171" Score="10" Text="Wow, that's like YouTube, without the videos. You _might_ just be on to something there; you should explore this idea more." CreationDate="2015-05-17T15:08:42.117" UserId="5657" />
  <row Id="7211" PostId="3171" Score="4" Text="Thank you for taking the time to do this. In my opinion, just the sheer volume of comments is reason enough to nuke them all." CreationDate="2015-05-17T23:11:09.390" UserDisplayName="user15729" />
  <row Id="7213" PostId="3171" Score="1" Text="@fredsbend you're welcome.  I had not realized (I guess because it was already deleted by the first time I saw comments) that the *very first comment* the OP received set the tone for a lot of the problems that followed." CreationDate="2015-05-17T23:48:33.967" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7214" PostId="3171" Score="1" Text="Note that not all comments on blankip's answer have been removed, e.g. comment 117012 by Mawg. Note that blankip's reply to that comment has been removed, both from the comments and his answer. I consider this not fair." CreationDate="2015-05-18T00:06:45.697" UserId="34797" />
  <row Id="7216" PostId="3171" Score="4" Text="@Sjoerd on further consideration, I am removing those comments.  While there was a chance that blankip would address the issues raised in an appropriate edit to his answer it made sense to keep them for reference, but it's not so clear that will happen now.  Mawg can always post an answer when the question is unlocked." CreationDate="2015-05-18T00:56:53.430" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7229" PostId="3174" Score="1" Text="Oh, ok. If I had 5 different answers it wouldn't be a problem for me. Many questions on SE have more than one correct answer, and there is a reason the format allows multiple answers. Is Workplace SE somehow different in that questions should have an *unique* answer?" CreationDate="2015-05-20T12:50:46.533" UserId="36035" />
  <row Id="7230" PostId="3174" Score="1" Text="The goal isn't to have a single answer (as you noted, that's true across SE).  But it needs to be possible to evaluate an answer against the question, which is where many subjective questions fail." CreationDate="2015-05-20T15:20:30.147" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7231" PostId="3174" Score="0" Text="My question is not subjective in any way, I ask for (economical) facts. If it appears to be suggestive then I worded it badly." CreationDate="2015-05-20T19:23:20.737" UserId="36035" />
  <row Id="7233" PostId="3174" Score="1" Text="Actually, the fact I was only getting subjective information on the matter and don't know how to get my hand on facts is the very reason I asked this. I surely do not ask for a suggestive answer." CreationDate="2015-05-20T19:27:51.343" UserId="36035" />
  <row Id="7236" PostId="3175" Score="0" Text="I voted to reopen after the edits as I feel it may now be answerable :)" CreationDate="2015-05-21T22:38:12.990" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7232" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="The worst part is that I still have absolutely *no slight idea* why it was closed." CreationDate="2015-05-20T19:25:11.813" UserId="36035" />
  <row Id="7234" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I share your confusion.  I hope somebody who voted to close (or thinks it should stay closed) will explain more clearly, and/or that community members will cast some reopen votes." CreationDate="2015-05-20T19:28:07.627" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7235" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="Well, I did give _my_ reasons for closing in my answer, but to be honest I could vote to reopen if there is the belief that it is indeed qualitatively answerable." CreationDate="2015-05-20T22:36:33.770" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7250" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="@JaneS Thank for giving me your reason to close, but still I don't see how to edit my question to fix the problem and thus having a valid question." CreationDate="2015-05-25T19:56:18.540" UserId="36035" />
  <row Id="7260" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="per my reading, title &quot;Where to find information...&quot; is ([was](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/46587/revisions &quot;not anymore&quot;)) a pure [list-question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/list-questions/info), prompting for answers like, &quot;you find it here...&quot; &quot;and here...&quot;, and &quot;here...&quot;, &quot;and for England you can find it here...&quot;" CreationDate="2015-05-31T08:50:38.277" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7262" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="@gnat that would be true for a question like &quot;where do I find good restaurant reviews?&quot;, but a question about where to find objective information is not a list. It's like asking &quot;where do I report unfair labor practices in the US?&quot; -- there's a government agency for that." CreationDate="2015-05-31T14:00:26.783" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7263" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="title doesn't (didn't) ask for _objective_ etc. It was plain where-to-find. I know what you think, you as moderator have a power to remove answers that match only the title yada yada. But I as a regular user simply do not want moderators to use their power like that. I don't want moderators to decide how much question title fits its body and both of them fit the answer. I want moderators to intervene only in straightforward cases - and for that it is really important for title to match the question (and yes, I've seen good questions polluted by garbage &quot;answers&quot; only because of slippery title)" CreationDate="2015-05-31T17:53:25.793" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7264" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="@gnat no moderator has intervened that I've seen. Mods are also community members and entitled to express our opinions. That's what I've done. I *didn't* use mod powers to reopen; I said I hope the community does." CreationDate="2015-05-31T19:27:27.520" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7265" PostId="3176" Score="0" Text="I was addressing your statement that &quot;question about where to find objective information is not a list&quot;. Per my reading, original title of the question was not like that" CreationDate="2015-05-31T19:29:36.420" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7242" PostId="3178" Score="0" Text="Thanks. Added recommendation to the answer." CreationDate="2015-05-23T10:49:48.797" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="7243" PostId="3179" Score="2" Text="Many questions on the Workplace have an answer that comes down to &quot;Bad idea - don't do that&quot;. There are many people who want to vote for such an answer on this question. So there should be one that says exactly that. Of course, exact wording can be discussed, but deleting all answers that say &quot;don't do that&quot; is wrong." CreationDate="2015-05-23T22:48:54.897" UserId="34797" />
  <row Id="7244" PostId="3179" Score="0" Text="Note that it was impossible for days to update those answers, and now they have been deleted without any chance to update them in a reaction to the criticism. I consider this bad." CreationDate="2015-05-23T22:50:25.093" UserId="34797" />
  <row Id="7245" PostId="3179" Score="0" Text="I've added personal experience to my answer. I don't see any offensive words either, and I've added references that support my claim about the customs." CreationDate="2015-05-23T23:11:17.810" UserId="34797" />
  <row Id="7246" PostId="3179" Score="3" Text="@Sjoerd - Your post was simply telling the op to fit in with local customs because it's the local custom, and then some photos of people shaking hands. There was no mention of personal experience or research done that indicates this is the *correct* course of action. Also, even in a &quot;Don't do this&quot; scenario, we still want to see objectivity and for the actual question to be answered by making the assumption that the op will still want to solve the problem as indicated in the question.  Such an answer would need to be more than just two lines with no thought, logic, or reasoning behind it." CreationDate="2015-05-24T07:21:06.683" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7247" PostId="3179" Score="2" Text="The answer also shouldn't contain such raw emotion, as it's indicative of a lack of objectivity.  Workplace SE isn't a platform to judge others; it's a place to find answers to questions about how to navigate the professional workplace.  Hope this helps." CreationDate="2015-05-24T07:22:08.103" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7248" PostId="3179" Score="0" Text="&quot;Don't do this&quot; is raw emotion? Would adding &quot;please&quot; make it polite?" CreationDate="2015-05-24T14:06:46.427" UserId="34797" />
  <row Id="7249" PostId="3179" Score="0" Text="Example of other answer that says don't: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/655/34797 . And see this answer that literally says &quot;No, there isn't.&quot; at the top: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/12190/34797" CreationDate="2015-05-24T14:25:10.860" UserId="34797" />
  <row Id="7275" PostId="3179" Score="1" Text="I am not sure who was judging who.  My answer clearly says that everyone should be treated the same.  While your answer says nothing specific your actions do support a judgment.  You have decided that a user bringing up the right of women to being treated equally is considered offensive and that religions have the ability to trump equality.  So in a nutshell Muslim rights more important than women's rights.  This is just your actions though which I believe are more powerful than words - locked or not." CreationDate="2015-06-01T22:05:29.043" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7285" PostId="3179" Score="0" Text="@Sjoerd regarding deleted answers, their author (and actually, also any other user with over 10K rep) can see these, edit and flag for undeletion" CreationDate="2015-06-03T16:35:52.250" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7286" PostId="3179" Score="0" Text="@gnat Thanks. In the meantime, I've added a new answer with improved wording, so there is no need to undelete the old answer anymore." CreationDate="2015-06-03T21:48:19.383" UserId="34797" />
  <row Id="7291" PostId="3179" Score="1" Text="Thank you Jmort.  I completely agree with this decision.  And for the record I am not unsympathetic to many of the arguments made in the answer, but it was primarily a diatribe and did not belong here." CreationDate="2015-06-05T14:08:24.190" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7251" PostId="3180" Score="5" Text="Have you looked at the questions asked by the OP? We've been answering pretty much the same question for (at least) the past the months, and I think people are just getting a bit fed up of it." CreationDate="2015-05-27T12:44:58.270" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="7258" PostId="3180" Score="0" Text="It is soothing to rant about your colleagues on the internet, but unfortunately it doesn't solve your problem. It was high time OP took control of her life and moved on. Posting the same question here every week doesnt help anyone, not her, not the ones answering the questions, not the future readers. She has been told this multiple times by multiple people. I hope she gets the message now and decides to stop suffering." CreationDate="2015-05-30T19:03:14.480" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7259" PostId="3180" Score="1" Text="@PhilipKendall if the questions asked are duplicates, then they should just be closed as duplicate.&#xA;Also, looking at her post history, I can't see that she's asking the same questions over and over. Clearly she has difficulty with her place, but she's asking questions regarding different aspects of it." CreationDate="2015-05-31T00:22:14.383" UserId="32078" />
  <row Id="7252" PostId="3181" Score="3" Text="I for one find &quot;opinion-based&quot; reason somewhat slippery for this site. Meta [posts here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=title%3Aopinion) suggest that I may be not alone. I often find it difficult to decide whether to use it. As opposed to that, &quot;what to do&quot; stuff seems to be relatively easy to identify:  &quot;what job should I take?&quot;, or &quot;what skills should I learn?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-05-27T16:16:23.810" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7253" PostId="3181" Score="1" Text="Since the &quot;what to do?&quot; questions seem to always be seeking opinions, I'd rather we fix whatever problems there are with the baked-in &quot;primarily opinion-based&quot; reason than create an ill-fitting off-topic reason." CreationDate="2015-05-27T17:15:54.553" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7256" PostId="3181" Score="0" Text="I think I understand, would be interesting to try that. Big question is, can opinion based be made more helpful for _askers_ than custom reason. Note how the latter suggests a guidance on how to improve, in [&quot;alternative is...&quot;](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2695/168) part" CreationDate="2015-05-27T20:46:04.763" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7290" PostId="3181" Score="1" Text="I would rather remove the opinion based option thank the custom close reason.  This was originally intended for the make a decision for me, tell me how to achieve my generic goal(What classes/skills should i learn to get a job doing x)  That off topic close reason should remain." CreationDate="2015-06-05T14:01:55.977" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7257" PostId="3183" Score="3" Text="Please use answers to make proposals, so it's easier for people to express agreement or disagreement.  Thanks." CreationDate="2015-05-28T01:44:22.690" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7261" PostId="3189" Score="2" Text="Fist, I am not angry or anything. Just wanting to find out the problem. I attempted to remove much of my personal situation from the question, although this definitely does not *narrow* it, it might make it more appropriate? Most other questions I've seen here are closely related to personal situations, as opposed to, for example, Stack Overflow or History SE." CreationDate="2015-05-31T08:59:14.137" UserId="36035" />
  <row Id="7279" PostId="3190" Score="1" Text="`There is also another somewhat related problem of &quot;what do I do&quot; questions that describe a difficult decision but don't really indicate what the OP intends or wants to know and are extremely open` &lt;-- this is why I think those questions become difficult. Almost all of them on this site end up with a huge train of clarifying comments, because to answer meaningfully require a huge series of questions. By the time the question is clarified enough it's specific to the asker and ultimately something they must make a decision on... (cont)" CreationDate="2015-06-01T23:23:25.560" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7280" PostId="3190" Score="0" Text="...but you can normally rewrite those questions in such a way to make them more answerable. For example, when considering &quot;should I apply for a team lead position?&quot; there's really no easy way to answer. But the question, &quot;what factors should I consider when determining if I should apply to a team lead position?&quot; will give the things that the OP needs to consider, and can be helpful not only to them but to others as well." CreationDate="2015-06-01T23:25:02.110" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7266" PostId="3191" Score="1" Text="Well, +1 from me, they don't tolerate dissent really well here, but we'll see what happens. Good luck!" CreationDate="2015-06-01T19:08:26.310" UserId="12321" />
  <row Id="7267" PostId="3191" Score="0" Text="@AaronHall - It isn't dissent.  The mods kept telling me my answer was insensitive.  I kept asking how it was insensitive.  Well these mods must work in HR because they are experts at talking while saying nothing.  Now it is another excuse it is locked....  I had mods firing in on all cylinders telling me that my answer was insensitive and that is why it was locked.  I still have not had anyone even come close to explaining why it was insensitive.  All I get is circular logic.  I am taking this to my SE sales rep and see if their employees reflect their beliefs." CreationDate="2015-06-01T19:12:50.643" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7271" PostId="3191" Score="3" Text="The addendum in my answer on your meta question addressed your complaints about the edit.  I suggest you read it.  As for the rest of your post here, until you show some ability to absorb corrections of your mistaken premises I see no point in trying to discuss it with you." CreationDate="2015-06-01T20:59:43.500" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7274" PostId="3191" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio - No it didn't.  Just because you say you answered it doesn't mean you did - at least two people commented that you didn't.  I made the comment in my answer here that the mods have gone around in circles saying &quot;nothing&quot;.  By you pointing out that you have another answer that says nothing is beyond circular logic.  You have yet to specifically say what I said was offensive or insensitive.  Just saying what I wrote is offensive in no way makes it true or is an answer.  By jmort's answer here your answer should be deleted right?" CreationDate="2015-06-01T22:01:38.687" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7277" PostId="3191" Score="5" Text="I stand for Stack Exchange's mission, which is to make the Internet a better place by providing objective answers to questions in Q&amp;A format. This is not a site for debate or discussion, and what you are missing is that you didn't answer the question. You side-stepped it by making assumptions about the op's motivation and injected your personal opinion based on your own interpretation of the op's motivations.. That is not what SE is about.  If you have more questions please use the contact us link at the bottom of this site, which goes directly to Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2015-06-01T22:22:13.143" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7278" PostId="3191" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 - In no way shape or form did anyone even come close to even throwing out my answer didn't answer the question - which it clearly does.   Only after the mods locking it for offensive content and your employees harassing me did you come up with this excuse for deleting it.  It is phoney.  There is NO WAY in the SE community would think that it isn't an answer.  I can put it on meta right now and let the votes take place in comments - no mods/SE employee votes count - let's see what happens.  You tell me I skirted my answer when that is your excuse?  Come on." CreationDate="2015-06-01T22:28:49.917" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="7283" PostId="3191" Score="8" Text="Hello. Jmort doesn't work for Stack Exchange, he's a volunteer :) But, I do - I'm the director of Stack Overflow communities. I've offered to speak with you about this if you'd care to email me, but I haven't heard from you yet - here's my email again just in case it slipped by in the avalanche of comments that were coming in: tpost@stackoverflow.com. I hope to speak with you soon." CreationDate="2015-06-02T13:15:32.897" UserId="5657" />
  <row Id="7284" PostId="3191" Score="1" Text="@TimPost OP may be mistaken about [jmort](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/98/jmort253) because of [jmac](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/7945/jmac)" CreationDate="2015-06-02T19:51:13.853" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7287" PostId="3193" Score="2" Text="As in my answer, I find value in both of these close reasons and use them in distinct ways.  But there _is_ an element of truth in the quote.  I guess it's primarily opinion if a question is primarily opinion based! :)" CreationDate="2015-06-04T01:57:12.517" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7289" PostId="3193" Score="2" Text="Please do not retire the reason all together.  Revert it back to the &quot;What job should I take/Skills should I learn&quot; or asking us to make a decision for you." CreationDate="2015-06-05T13:59:17.570" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7529" PostId="3193" Score="0" Text="Current example: [this question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/52109/325) was closed as &quot;advice on what to do&quot;, but that's IMO totally bogus there.  It's an on-topic question about a real workplace situation; that the OP uses the phrase &quot;what should I do about it&quot; (or some such) doesn't mean the question fits this close reason.  I think this close reason is causing more harm than good.  Rephrasing it along the lines of Really's comment would probably fix the problem." CreationDate="2015-08-14T23:27:09.700" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7292" PostId="3195" Score="0" Text="The questions has a very specific answer.  See my answer.  How is it too broad?  The answer is a bit surprising, but good answers tend to be.  Saying it is too broad because there are a wide variety of disabilities, is, yes going to either make the question too narrow or too broad.  But as it is, the question, and answer have both a uniquely wide-audience, and a very specific focused answer, the details of which are expanded on in the discovered document.  It's a perfect question, and I can't understand how it is closed." CreationDate="2015-06-12T11:28:13.137" UserId="36280" />
  <row Id="7293" PostId="3196" Score="6" Text="+1: Please don't refer to them as the comment police. They are the arbitrary police. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/199302/why-was-this-comment-flag-declined" CreationDate="2015-06-13T23:40:26.503" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7297" PostId="3196" Score="9" Text="I understand your frustration but please avoid this sort of piling on. It's fine to be forthcoming about your disagreement with mod's actions, but moderators here on TWP work incredibly hard to handle a complicated subject and enable everyone to produce constructive content. If you have a specific, separate issue with mod actions, please raise it for discussion (respectfully) in its own meta question." CreationDate="2015-06-15T18:57:18.727" UserId="11118" />
  <row Id="7341" PostId="3196" Score="2" Text="&quot;I understand your frustration but please avoid this sort of piling on.&quot;  Does it hurt to ask?  I notice that this is one of the highest voted question recently on workplace meta." CreationDate="2015-06-24T15:49:59.883" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="7294" PostId="3197" Score="2" Text="-1: This doesn't answer the OP's question." CreationDate="2015-06-13T23:43:02.997" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7295" PostId="3197" Score="2" Text="Then op wants to use comments to complain about rude answers. We have ways to address rude comments." CreationDate="2015-06-13T23:56:23.793" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="7339" PostId="3197" Score="4" Text="Nope, I want to use comments to clarify of expound.  Case in point...right here!" CreationDate="2015-06-24T15:39:19.203" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="7342" PostId="3197" Score="1" Text="quote &quot; I asked a question once where one of the answers was very rude and I could not comment on it because they kept getting blown away. &quot;" CreationDate="2015-06-24T15:50:02.217" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="7344" PostId="3197" Score="3" Text="That was one instance, not every instance." CreationDate="2015-06-24T17:06:06.230" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="7296" PostId="3198" Score="0" Text="As of 11:11 am 6/15/15 the last chat message was 6/10/15.  You may be there, but no one else is.  My point, is that sometimes moderators remove helpful comments.  This does happen.  As the community works on improving comments the moderators should focus on improving when comments should be deleted." CreationDate="2015-06-15T17:12:48.820" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="7298" PostId="3198" Score="3" Text="Enderland and I both monitor the chat transcript, and possibly others do as well.  I can't really be parked in there during the work day, but if something comes up that I can help with I'll try to do so.  Yes, it would be better if there were an active community of chatters, but please don't assume that a several-days-old last message means no one's watching." CreationDate="2015-06-15T21:25:35.950" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7338" PostId="3198" Score="1" Text="There is a mechanism to &quot;Add a comment&quot;, so comments like this is not a place for discussion are void and are meaningless.  Comments are there for a reason, and many mods snip too many of them too soon.  I believe this is not only a problem on this site but many of the stack exchange sites.  If you guys snip all these comments than the real question is why do we have an &quot;Add a comment&quot; button if comments are not allowed on the sites." CreationDate="2015-06-24T14:18:57.557" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="7340" PostId="3198" Score="1" Text="Is is possible the answer to this question is: &quot;Sometimes comments do get deleted when they shouldn't.&quot;?  I am sorry to call someone out in particular but @MonicaCellio seems to be the biggest culprit.  It seems whenever a comment line gets 8+ she cuts them all, no matter what.  On my  http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/48046/is-it-okay-to-ask-for-respect-from-interviewer question, she killed all the comments(some were good too)in response to the OP.  My question is, why kill all of them?  Maybe be selective?" CreationDate="2015-06-24T15:48:08.297" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="7343" PostId="3198" Score="0" Text="@RonnieW. there's no need to apologize; mods are accountable for our actions.  I don't do the majority of the deletions, FYI.  Comments are not for discussions and when comments become too chatty and *no longer about clarifying the post they're attached to*, they're subject to deletion. Usually that happens because somebody flagged it; nobody's got time to read all the comments on the site looking for things to clean up.  I hope this helps. Feel free to raise new issues here on meta, or you can use the &quot;contact us&quot; link (bottom of every page) if you want to appeal to SE." CreationDate="2015-06-24T15:56:15.947" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7345" PostId="3198" Score="0" Text="@RonnieW. it's possible moderators make mistakes. On that particular question, the comments which could have remained were comments with questions directed to you - which you did not address (?).  The other comments were discussion comments and while perhaps useful and interesting directly violate the bolded content above (especially point #2). As a voting based Q/A site it is difficult to handle comment answers as it's impossible to vote them down, etc. (cont)" CreationDate="2015-06-24T23:05:13.817" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7346" PostId="3198" Score="1" Text="I would encourage you in the future if people are posting useful answers as comments on questions to recommend the poster post them as an answer so you can vote on them for their helpfulness! This helps you thank the post authors and contributes to an overall better Q/A site." CreationDate="2015-06-24T23:06:13.280" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7299" PostId="3200" Score="0" Text="Ah, thanks!  So as I thought, I am indeed an idiot :)" CreationDate="2015-06-16T12:02:47.003" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7310" PostId="3200" Score="2" Text="@JaneS Not an idiot at all! Just learning the ropes, and rather quickly might I add! :)" CreationDate="2015-06-19T13:32:01.643" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7317" PostId="3200" Score="1" Text="@DavidK Thanks!  I just try to apply common sense and experience. Although my experience is that common sense isn't that common! ;)" CreationDate="2015-06-19T21:52:38.690" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7303" PostId="3201" Score="2" Text="Andyz, I can tell you are frustrated - but the right approach to frustration is not lashing out and attacking people who are trying to help and/or answer your questions. Your comments on that question were very confrontational. This meta question (and your answer/comments here) are also that way and come across as very much &quot;I am demanding that you listen to me. I also am the authority on Workplace.SE and am dictating to you how your site works.&quot; This really isn't helpful and makes it more difficult to have a meaningful discussion." CreationDate="2015-06-18T13:46:45.817" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7304" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text="@enderland Who have I attacked/lashed, personally?  Just answer the question.  If your answer is wrong, I may mention it, and help you improve it." CreationDate="2015-06-18T14:45:26.650" UserId="36280" />
  <row Id="7315" PostId="3201" Score="4" Text="I edited this post to remove the insults that were targeting the *entire* community. That diminishes any point you were trying to make.  It is possible your question was closed by at least one irate user, but I encourage you to step back and ask if using a little more tact in commenting may have yielded different results. Part of maintaining a healthy workplace, and a healthy online community, is for everyone to follow the [be nice](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice) policy. Treat everyone with the same respect that you expect to be given, and people will respond equivalently." CreationDate="2015-06-19T18:55:42.490" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7316" PostId="3201" Score="2" Text="With that said, it still takes 5 users to vote to close a question, and 4 other people also agreed the post was off-topic or too broad. I encourage you to edit the post to add more details. Editing the post will bump it back to the top of the page and put it in the review queue where it can be reviewed by people with the [reopen votes privilege](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/close-questions).  Hope this helps." CreationDate="2015-06-19T18:58:19.173" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7318" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 The close reason was that the question was either about company specific policies or a legal advice question. Is that your understanding?" CreationDate="2015-06-19T23:35:15.827" UserId="36280" />
  <row Id="7319" PostId="3201" Score="1" Text="@AndyzSmith Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. The post definitely rides the line of being a legal question, which oftentimes get closed here, but I made an edit to focus more on obtaining official documentation and sources, which may help clarify that this is something that could be definitively answered since it's now asking for *the actual law text* instead of people thinking they must *interpret the law*.  I'll drop a link in our [chat] and see what people think.  Hope the edits help." CreationDate="2015-06-21T09:50:50.230" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7320" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I have edited the question.  Thanks for your input, but I think your modifications made the questions merely a request for documentation, which is not what I intended.  See my answer. Thanks again." CreationDate="2015-06-21T14:44:19.233" UserId="36280" />
  <row Id="7321" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text="@AndyzSmith - My hope was to indicate that you wanted an answer explicitly backed by some documentation or sources. If you think this now makes it *only* about documentation, you're welcome to make further modifications to put in your own words or clear up any more confusion. Good luck!" CreationDate="2015-06-21T15:34:19.687" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7322" PostId="3201" Score="2" Text="Looks like your edits bring this post in line with what we're looking for. I went ahead and reopened this post." CreationDate="2015-06-21T15:45:20.607" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7323" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 ... ..." CreationDate="2015-06-21T22:57:14.850" UserId="36280" />
  <row Id="7324" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text="If those edits are what is takes to allow the question to remain open and receive valuable input, that's great.  If I knew that adding some phrasing would be helpful to clarify the intent of the question I would have added that much earlier, but unfortunately, I didn't receive any feedback to that effect.  I just assumed that the original phrasing of the question made it clear that an answer would be broadly applicable ( i.e, I didn't ask about my self, and I didn't refer to my company/agency or industry/geographical region )," CreationDate="2015-06-21T22:57:16.017" UserId="36280" />
  <row Id="7325" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text=", and would also  probably refer to some more legal-type rules and regs for guidance on specific cases." CreationDate="2015-06-21T22:57:35.060" UserId="36280" />
  <row Id="7326" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text="I think there are some problems with the way the site is administered.  The way a moderator becomes a moderator is by getting voted up, based on acceptance of his or her expert opinion, repeatedly.  I understand, this activity requires a certain confidence in one's thoughts and ideas.  The problem arises when the moderator(s) are posed a question they feel has no answer, or a very broad answer, etc.  This same confidence in their experience and knowledge means that they decide that question is no good, because they don't KNOW the answer, and presume, there is not one," CreationDate="2015-06-21T22:57:57.747" UserId="36280" />
  <row Id="7327" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text="or it will surely be a bad one.  In this case, in my opinion, a very valuable question with a very broad appeal, and a very specific focused answer, in the form of the legal theory of joint employment, was closed, within 24 hours, to those who may have been able A) answer the question B) clarify and qualify important points, invaluable to 'navigating the workplace'." CreationDate="2015-06-21T22:58:20.987" UserId="36280" />
  <row Id="7328" PostId="3201" Score="1" Text="That said, I do apologize for maligning the forum in general.  I feel strongly about the previous, but it was wrong to say those things.  Again, I apologize, I hope that you accept.&#xA;&#xA;At the end of the day, I just want to find the right answer to questions that are important to me.  If someone or group prevents me from doing that, I'm going to do what I can to 'fight' back." CreationDate="2015-06-21T22:58:31.993" UserId="36280" />
  <row Id="7329" PostId="3201" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 ... ... ..." CreationDate="2015-06-21T22:59:52.963" UserId="36280" />
  <row Id="7330" PostId="3201" Score="2" Text="@andy It isn't a perfect system but I feel the people in this community care deeply about the site's mission to build high quality q&amp;a. Sometimes subtle changes to the wording can have a huge impact on how a post is perceived.  If you see a question put on hold, remember that the purpose of &quot;on hold&quot; is to give both asker and community time to create an amazing question that will attract amazing answers. Not only does that help the asker but also hundreds of future visitors with the same or similar problem. Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2015-06-21T23:05:50.537" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7331" PostId="3201" Score="2" Text="@AndyzSmith a couple clarifications: (1) moderators are elected and needn't be among the top users reuptation-wise. (2) The question was put on hold by the community, not by the moderators. (3) &quot;On hold&quot; is meant to be temporary, so the question can be adjusted and reopened; there was never a bar to editing, but if you have answers coming in while that's happening, you end up with some answers answering different versions of the question and that's confusing for later readers.  So if there's a problem, we want to put on hold quickly, address the problem, reopen, and get answers." CreationDate="2015-06-22T00:25:09.827" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7332" PostId="3201" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 now that it's reopened, would it make sense to tag this question [meta-tag:status-completed]?" CreationDate="2015-06-22T15:19:19.143" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7311" PostId="3202" Score="2" Text="Well to be fair that answer/question is less than 24 hours old. Sometimes as an asker it can be good to wait longer as a newer answer can more completely and comprehensively your question. I've had a few times where I got an &quot;accept&quot; after posting an answer later than and which got fewer total votes but (apparently) better answered the question." CreationDate="2015-06-19T15:26:00.677" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7312" PostId="3202" Score="2" Text="Also, for what it's worth, I absolutely _loathe_ the &quot;auto accept&quot; systems that other sites have. MSDN has this process where their site moderators decide if an answer &quot;fixes your problem&quot; and basically force you to accept an answer. I cannot possibly express my distaste and dislike of that system enough..." CreationDate="2015-06-19T15:28:48.947" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7313" PostId="3202" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. I just noticed that this situation happens in this board way more often than Stack Overflow for example because of the ubiquitous nature of &quot;right and wrong&quot; in workplace issues." CreationDate="2015-06-19T15:33:04.757" UserId="29077" />
  <row Id="7314" PostId="3202" Score="2" Text="A lot of folks here too are 1-off accounts where people ask a question and never login again or never return. In your case, [the asker has accepted answers on all other questions](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/30165/learner?tab=questions) so I think just being patient is probably your best bet." CreationDate="2015-06-19T15:38:04.483" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7333" PostId="3202" Score="0" Text="@enderland As someone who relies on sites like that I can't agree more - there's nothing more infuriating than reading a whole thread based on the presumption it was solved only to find some moderator decided arbitrarily that 'xyz' fixed it" CreationDate="2015-06-23T15:08:00.027" UserId="5425" />
  <row Id="7334" PostId="3204" Score="0" Text="Should I take from this that Workplace SE is pretty US specific? I mean a lot of the questions I see would have varying answers depending on location. Thanks for the answer anyway, it would have been more helpful if someone had said something like this before or just after closing it, but that's a policy question more than anything else. Just one more thing though, could you point any phrases that suggest I was &quot;ranting&quot; or complaining about the situation? I did try to avoid doing this when asking the question, but clearly I was not successful." CreationDate="2015-06-23T17:00:34.213" UserDisplayName="user32931" />
  <row Id="7335" PostId="3204" Score="2" Text="@Crazymoomin Actually, I don't think 'ranting' applies to your post, though ranting questions to get the same close reason. The rambling And this site is definitely not US specific, and we do allow for questions that are specific to a country or part of the world. It's more that warehouse forklift drivers is a very specific job, and any information about layoff rates (if we had them) would only apply to that niche industry and to no one else." CreationDate="2015-06-23T18:15:57.167" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7336" PostId="3204" Score="0" Text="Would warehouse agency workers be generic enough? Generally the only difference between the forkies and the rest of the agency staff is that they are paid a little more. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned he was a forklift truck driver." CreationDate="2015-06-23T18:21:07.140" UserDisplayName="user32931" />
  <row Id="7337" PostId="3204" Score="4" Text="We shouldn't be closing questions for being *hard* or *obscure*; if the expert who can answer it isn't here right now, he might come along later.  And even if most of our users are from the US (I don't actually know what the geo-distribution is), this isn't a US-specific site." CreationDate="2015-06-23T18:27:32.653" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7356" PostId="3204" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - The question was not about navigating the workplace and was a giant rant... that is why I voted to close.  This is a my situation sucks am I right question" CreationDate="2015-07-01T15:21:26.387" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7362" PostId="3204" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame I wasn't ranting, I was providing background. I apologise if you misconstrued it that way." CreationDate="2015-07-02T15:36:10.350" UserDisplayName="user32931" />
  <row Id="7363" PostId="3204" Score="0" Text="@Crazymoomin - It is a rant, though granted, it is a milder rant than many I have seen.  It is mostly about all the things you think are wrong with your tenant.  The question boils down to you feel like you made a mistake in renting to this person and you want us to validate those feelings.  That is not what SE is for." CreationDate="2015-07-02T17:27:55.983" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7364" PostId="3204" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame No it isn't. You are reading too much into the question. If I thought I made a mistake I wouldn't let him go into arrears." CreationDate="2015-07-02T17:35:14.690" UserDisplayName="user32931" />
  <row Id="7368" PostId="3204" Score="0" Text="@Crazymoomin - I have tried to help you, but you do not want that help.  There is nothing further I am going to offer you since you refuse to try and see it from our side.  I wish you no ill will and it is nothing personal, we have standards here because we want to keep this site high quality and useful and enough of us believe your question falls below those standards as to close it and you so far have no support for reopening.  If you want it reopened I suggest you try to make the changes we asked for." CreationDate="2015-07-03T03:56:06.903" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7370" PostId="3204" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame No offence, but I personally don't see it that way. You _haven't_ tried to help me, all you have done is insist it was a rant when I have told you that is was not. If you want to be helpful, be like the others and make constructive suggestions on how the wording of the question could be improved (If indeed you believe the core question _is_ valid in the first place, which you haven't made clear). It's absolutely fine to close questions, but then to provide conflicting and confusing feedback when the OP asks _why_ is not." CreationDate="2015-07-03T05:56:19.407" UserDisplayName="user32931" />
  <row Id="7371" PostId="3204" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame as an addendum, I have said I am _not_ looking for a re-open. I am trying to learn your SE rules so I can post better in the future If I need to. I read your rules but clearly this wasn't enough. If I didn't care, I wouldn't have asked for an explanation in the first place." CreationDate="2015-07-03T06:00:22.430" UserDisplayName="user32931" />
  <row Id="7372" PostId="3204" Score="0" Text="@Crazymoomin - If I believed the core was a valid question I would have edited the question into shape.  You do not want the help offered that is fine.  Good luck." CreationDate="2015-07-03T15:28:15.607" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7374" PostId="3204" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame Fair enough. I don't think I can convince you that I didn't intend it as a rant, and you have the conviction (but not everyone here it seems) that the question should have never been asked in the first place, in any shape or form. Unless someone higher up can give a more authoritative opinion, or other members wish to enter into a debate, I guess pursuing this any further is pointless and futile. I would like to thank all of those who have offered constructive feedback, and I will bear all those points in mind in the future. Maybe things will work out better next time." CreationDate="2015-07-03T18:30:06.540" UserDisplayName="user32931" />
  <row Id="7347" PostId="3206" Score="1" Text="&quot;Maybe there's a way to make chat threaded and attach a chat discussion to a particular question?&quot; - I like that idea." CreationDate="2015-06-25T18:56:52.047" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7348" PostId="3206" Score="2" Text="If there are too many threads of conversation in the site's main chat room you can always [get a room of your own](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2691/325) and link to it from the question.  It would be nice if there were more automation, but it's possible." CreationDate="2015-06-25T20:50:24.327" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7349" PostId="3206" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio, obviously the rooms feature isn't working to eliminate discussion in comments in the way that the moderators would like. By &quot;automation&quot;, I assume you mean being able to flip between associated questions, answers and discussions effortlessly. I agree. Perhaps a lot of aggravation could be avoided by designing-in this feature and less drudgery for mods having to evaluate and cull commentary that turns into discussion." CreationDate="2015-06-26T11:01:52.127" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="7350" PostId="3206" Score="4" Text="FWIW, I knew about the rooms feature but completely forgot about it because it was effectively useless in practice. If you want to draw people away from extended comments, there needs to be some type of easy mechanism to do that. It is baffling that a ton of effort clearly went into UX doodads for chat, but there is no hyperlink in each Q or A with something like &quot;discussion (14)&quot; to encourage would-be commenters to discuss a hot topic." CreationDate="2015-06-26T11:11:45.197" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="7352" PostId="3207" Score="7" Text="FWIW IDK, BTW! :)" CreationDate="2015-07-01T03:11:11.953" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7404" PostId="3207" Score="1" Text="When I do this, I usually leave a comment for the OP to remind him that he is adressing an international audience. Occasionally, if the question shows little effort (bad quality) I will not do the edit myself, but leave a note with an edit link, asking the OP to improve the question himself. Teach a man to fish..." CreationDate="2015-07-13T12:24:07.207" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="7351" PostId="3208" Score="0" Text="What about the second part of the question? We should always edit, or just to some extend" CreationDate="2015-06-30T14:04:55.293" UserId="19366" />
  <row Id="7358" PostId="3208" Score="2" Text="@Llopis I guess just use your judgement on that. I don't think there is a defined &quot;rule&quot; for that, I've been thinking about how to answer your question here and am not sure!" CreationDate="2015-07-01T15:35:22.247" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7360" PostId="3208" Score="0" Text="I'd say anyone who wants to take on that housekeeping task should be given a pat on the back and a TWP T-Shirt." CreationDate="2015-07-01T17:09:16.820" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="7361" PostId="3208" Score="1" Text="@WesleyLong I suggest taking an Agile approach.  Don't take on the entire site, just take things on post by post.  If a member of the community edits and clarifies one post per week, that is a great success.  If folks become passionate about it and boost up to one per day, that's also a success. If they stop doing it, it's still a success because they cleaned up a total number of X posts.  And... it does make me wonder if SE is going to do any contests that involve t-shirt giveaways... hmmm... no t-shirts have been handed out in a long time!" CreationDate="2015-07-02T06:25:30.480" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7365" PostId="3208" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 - I'd agree with you.  I was referring to a theoretical &quot;someone&quot; who took it upon themselves to work a lot on this area.  If we notice a lot of old posts being edited by a user to link/define acronyms, person should be thanked and recognized.  I wasn't saying we should make it an &quot;assignment,&quot; but I can see how I wasn't clear." CreationDate="2015-07-02T18:23:07.257" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="7366" PostId="3208" Score="0" Text="@WesleyLong no one can edit everything, but if we as users each edit a few things here and there the site ends up a lot better and creates a great culture for making useful, clear, and helpful questions (wow, that sounds like buzzword bingo, but I guess I mean what I say...)" CreationDate="2015-07-02T18:24:27.143" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7367" PostId="3208" Score="0" Text="And building on that, getting more people involved just scales better, results in less burnout, and less frustration. In the end, more involvement in these areas by more people results in a more sustainable process." CreationDate="2015-07-02T20:19:41.847" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7373" PostId="3208" Score="0" Text="Guys, I wasn't debating any of that.  I was only saying that if Llopis wanted to tackle that, he should be acknowledged.  Something is apparently lost in translation, here." CreationDate="2015-07-03T16:15:01.057" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="7369" PostId="3209" Score="1" Text="[&quot;what skills should I learn?&quot;](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2695/168)" CreationDate="2015-07-03T05:47:14.887" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7397" PostId="3209" Score="0" Text="You might enjoy this book: http://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Technical-Leader-Gerald-Weinberg-ebook/dp/B004J4VV3I/ref=tmm_kin_title_0?_encoding=UTF8&amp;sr=8-1&amp;qid=1436393381" CreationDate="2015-07-08T22:10:04.207" UserId="33209" />
  <row Id="7398" PostId="3211" Score="0" Text="You should definitely describe the role, and maybe add more info, like areas you/he/she is already familiar with, etc, otherwise the question will attract 'too broad' close votes." CreationDate="2015-07-10T09:37:28.973" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="7380" PostId="3212" Score="0" Text="I'm still confused. Is my question on topic or not?" CreationDate="2015-07-06T07:27:31.447" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="7381" PostId="3212" Score="1" Text="As I mentioned, it depends on context. Try to focus on your question's details from a workplace perspective rather than an academic one and you should be fine. But without seeing the actual details of your question it is hard to issue guarantees." CreationDate="2015-07-06T09:39:51.267" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7383" PostId="3214" Score="0" Text="I'm sure unintentionally but the points system sure screwed me over on this." CreationDate="2015-07-07T02:33:56.407" UserDisplayName="user37816" />
  <row Id="7384" PostId="3214" Score="1" Text="If you registered as a user you could edit your own question." CreationDate="2015-07-07T02:59:34.007" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="7385" PostId="3214" Score="3" Text="You are showing up as two different users.  Fix that and you should be able to edit your post.  Also, even with this account, a suggested edit might have been accepted." CreationDate="2015-07-07T03:04:57.397" UserId="271" />
  <row Id="7387" PostId="3214" Score="3" Text="The question is a reasonable question.  I don't know why it was closed, which was why I answered it.  I feel that with some minor edits it could be reopened." CreationDate="2015-07-07T03:26:25.050" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7388" PostId="3214" Score="0" Text="I don't get it, you can always edit your own posts, regardless of reputation. What is the error you are facing when you try to edit?" CreationDate="2015-07-07T03:34:10.057" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7396" PostId="3214" Score="2" Text="This question has been reopened." CreationDate="2015-07-07T22:29:20.700" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7390" PostId="3215" Score="0" Text="I manually copied rejected edit into the question: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/49236/revisions" CreationDate="2015-07-07T16:25:42.480" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7391" PostId="3215" Score="2" Text="@gnat, thanks for finding and fixing that.  user37816, it looks like the reviewers didn't know that you were editing your own post (because of the different accounts) and thought somebody was making an inappropriate change.  The edit has sent the question to the review queue for reopening." CreationDate="2015-07-07T16:30:47.517" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7399" PostId="3216" Score="1" Text="It is  clear post, i think it should be on every SE site meta, mostly on SO because many programmers aren't on a expert level as the one answering and comments can turn up into &quot;you need to learn, before posting&quot; or &quot;bare becomes beer&quot;. Instead of asking for someone to differentiate between bare and bear, it might be good to edit topic or post and leave a note. I have been very found of SE networks and have numerous upvote but downvotes as well with people who are being a demotivate." CreationDate="2015-07-10T15:30:26.223" UserDisplayName="user15704" />
  <row Id="7401" PostId="3216" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere thanks; that's a good point.  Edited.  Rather than saying &quot;in my locale we...&quot;, I find it's better to actually *identify* that locale (&quot;in my experience with US high-tech companies&quot; or the like).  That helps readers decide whether an answer applies to them." CreationDate="2015-07-12T02:59:44.803" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7405" PostId="3216" Score="0" Text="Specific examples include: write out abbreviations and add metric system measurements when the OP uses imperial units. Both can usually be done in parentheses and should be **added to** the post, not replacing the original." CreationDate="2015-07-13T12:27:35.870" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="7417" PostId="3216" Score="9" Text="I have noticed that Americans are usually &quot;exempt&quot; from having to specify their location, based on the reasoning that this site is hosted in the US. In other words, if you are not an American, additional rules apply to you (you must specify your country in the post, etc.). Is this intentional, or only the opinion of a couple of people?" CreationDate="2015-07-15T16:51:24.717" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7419" PostId="3216" Score="1" Text="It isn't entirely unreasonable for there to be a default.... but in fact I agree, when it matters we should all be specifying this. What I'd _really_ like is for the user profile to carry country, and for that to be picked up as the default context.... overridable because we do sometimes ask how things work elsewhere." CreationDate="2015-07-15T17:09:10.237" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="7420" PostId="3216" Score="9" Text="I would prefer that Americans also specify instead of making us guess.  If you say nothing, is that because you're in Italy and forgot to say so or because you're an American who doesn't think it's needed?" CreationDate="2015-07-15T17:57:29.783" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7441" PostId="3216" Score="1" Text="keshlam - the idea of automatically using profiles was discussed on Travel.SE, and it brings in more problems than it solves. Much simpler just to ask everyone to state what locale they are looking for an answer in." CreationDate="2015-07-21T12:31:51.343" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="16026" PostId="3216" Score="0" Text="Would it be possible for you to set the location tags as required ones à la meta? This could cause issues if you don’t have a tag for a certain country (although you could have regional tags as well - perhaps each continent or sub continent - to cover those missing tags)." CreationDate="2018-07-25T09:53:05.527" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="7406" PostId="3217" Score="2" Text="Don't forget you can always ask via a comment, I often do this (especially when it seems likely the OP is from India/China/Asia)." CreationDate="2015-07-13T14:46:57.737" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7407" PostId="3217" Score="3" Text="True. I just wish we could avoid the ask/reply cycle. Not everyone clarifies, and it wastes time." CreationDate="2015-07-13T15:11:40.013" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="7408" PostId="3217" Score="1" Text="Is there a way this could be added to the question form?" CreationDate="2015-07-14T15:31:55.087" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7409" PostId="3217" Score="1" Text="@DavidK (CC keshlam), I encourage you to think through how this might work and propose something on Meta.SE.  We're probably not the only site that has an expectation of &quot;one from this set of tags&quot; (metas themselves have it), but the behavior would be very different if your tag set has four tags (like metas) or forty." CreationDate="2015-07-14T18:46:08.947" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7410" PostId="3217" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I don't think we want to require a certain set of tags as in Meta, but certainly a custom suggested list would be good. I could imagine that other SE sites would recommend that people tag with their coding language or operating system or version number. Right now every question requires at least one tag, but the only guidance provided is the &quot;How to Tag&quot; box." CreationDate="2015-07-14T19:03:13.370" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7411" PostId="3217" Score="3" Text="@DavidK so, some sort of per-site tagging guidance to add to the &quot;how to tag&quot; box?" CreationDate="2015-07-14T19:13:20.927" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7412" PostId="3217" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio, yes, I think that would be a good option - either added to the current box or a completely separate one. This could be done for the other helper boxes as well (How to Ask, How to Format). Individual SE sites could choose not to add anything custom, but it would certainly be helpful for some. I'll come back a little later and put this into a Meta.SE question." CreationDate="2015-07-14T19:23:01.367" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7413" PostId="3217" Score="0" Text="For now though, encouraging country tags (and any others people think of) could be added to some of the Help Center pages." CreationDate="2015-07-14T19:24:22.060" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7415" PostId="3217" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio and keshlam, I created a [question on Meta.SE](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/260738/custom-recommended-tags-list-for-individual-se-sites). Feel free to comment, edit, etc." CreationDate="2015-07-15T13:26:19.843" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7418" PostId="3217" Score="1" Text="@enderland Once upon a time, I asked someone to specify their country name when it seemed likely that they are from US. I was told to shut up because due to the site being hosted in US, all Americans automatically become first-class elite citizens here, and second-class non-Americans should be grateful that we are even allowed to use the site. &quot;This is our site, how dare you outsiders ask us to mention our country?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-07-15T16:54:30.423" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7423" PostId="3217" Score="2" Text="@MaskedMan I'm sorry to hear that.  Whoever said that wasn't speaking for the community; we don't have a US-centric *policy*, though we sometimes have US-centric *habits*." CreationDate="2015-07-15T19:25:24.980" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7435" PostId="3217" Score="2" Text="@MaskedMan. I hope you flagged that response as rude. It should be deleted, and it should be reported to moderators so that if the behavour continues, appropriate sanctions are issued to that user." CreationDate="2015-07-20T17:40:51.323" UserId="362" />
  <row Id="7588" PostId="3217" Score="0" Text="You would think that it would help but it doesnt.  Even if they stated directly in their post where they are people just ignore the fact that Europe is different from India is different from Japan is different from US Etc" CreationDate="2015-08-26T20:39:53.537" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7602" PostId="3217" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan is that a quote from what they actually said or are you paraphrasing? If they actually said that, I hope you flagged it and I hope they received a suspension" CreationDate="2015-09-08T08:54:41.153" UserId="4559" />
  <row Id="7414" PostId="3222" Score="0" Text="these should probably be [meta-tag:tag-synonyms]. I would also suggest to synonymize [tag:software-development] because even if we delete it (which would _in theory_ be right thing to do), there will be a high risk of it being resurrected" CreationDate="2015-07-15T04:45:10.200" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7416" PostId="3223" Score="0" Text="A synonym that's a strict substring of another tag isn't all that helpful; if &quot;software&quot; isn't there and people start typing that, the system will suggest &quot;software-industry&quot;.  Synonyms are really intended for cases where the words to describe an idea are more different." CreationDate="2015-07-15T15:29:04.693" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7421" PostId="3224" Score="0" Text="so, what would be a solution? unambiguous tag wiki to &quot;software&quot; plus retagging all questions that went there by mistake? and what about &quot;software-development&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-07-15T19:07:07.797" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7422" PostId="3224" Score="2" Text="@gnat yeah, I think someone needs to go through the [tag:software] questions, retag any that are really [tag:software-industry], and then look at what's left and write a tag wiki (or at least an excerpt).  Maybe that tag should really be called something like &quot;software-use&quot; to make it more clear it's not about software dev?  (I haven't reviewed the questions beyond a quick skim.)" CreationDate="2015-07-15T19:12:03.337" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7427" PostId="3224" Score="0" Text="&quot;software-use&quot; sounds like much more accurate tag name! Actually, I'd make &quot;software&quot; a synonym of software-use, to prevent it from being mistakenly recreated again (I'm sure it will resurrect if we simply remove it)" CreationDate="2015-07-15T21:35:22.113" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7428" PostId="3224" Score="0" Text="If we have both software-use and software-industry, I don't want software to be a synonym of either.  When you start typing that word you should be presented with both completions." CreationDate="2015-07-15T21:38:19.920" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7429" PostId="3224" Score="0" Text="I think you'd be presented with both anyway - tag completion simply pulls out all tags that start with letters you type, doesn't it?" CreationDate="2015-07-15T21:40:32.720" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7434" PostId="3225" Score="1" Text="I was one of the close-voters, and I have now voted to reopen the edited question." CreationDate="2015-07-18T08:21:35.480" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7431" PostId="3226" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the answer. However, I don't see how it is a philosophical discussion and there were already parameters in the question. I admit it is broad but many questions are broad here and everyone comes up with opinions/suggestions. I think it has an acceptable level of broadness. For example, how are the other questions I mentioned not too broad? There is also good subjective question factor here. But anyway, I will follow your suggestion and add more parameters." CreationDate="2015-07-16T19:06:58.023" UserId="16354" />
  <row Id="7432" PostId="3226" Score="0" Text="Added more parameters now. Please let me know if I can improve further. Thanks and +1 :)" CreationDate="2015-07-16T19:23:37.403" UserId="16354" />
  <row Id="7433" PostId="3226" Score="2" Text="Thanks; that's much better.  In general, I think it's better if questions are more specific and answers *expend* on that to demonstrate general principles.  That gets the asker a good answer while teaching all readers ways to look at the problem (so if their specific case is a little different they can still use it).  I haven't checked the other questions you referenced yet -- at work now and just driving by, so to speak, but I wanted to help out with what I could.  I support reopening the edited question." CreationDate="2015-07-16T19:35:46.790" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7436" PostId="3231" Score="0" Text="Hmm, what's the pay like? :)" CreationDate="2015-07-20T21:04:46.390" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7437" PostId="3231" Score="11" Text="​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​@JaneS You keep what you kill." CreationDate="2015-07-20T21:16:00.957" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="7438" PostId="3231" Score="1" Text="@Yannis Great, so I'm stuck with mosquitoes and spiders!" CreationDate="2015-07-20T21:18:18.057" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7446" PostId="3231" Score="1" Text="@JaneS - LOL! Them's good eatin!" CreationDate="2015-07-22T09:45:29.017" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7447" PostId="3231" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere It could be a good pate after I'm finished making sure they're dead! :)" CreationDate="2015-07-22T10:45:59.473" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7445" PostId="3235" Score="2" Text="at 3K, I see this choice. Close -&gt; Off-topic -&gt; third in the list there is &quot;Real questions have answers...&quot; Would you mind attaching a screen shot or just quoting items that are listed in flagging dialog under &quot;Should be closed -&gt; Off-topic&quot;?" CreationDate="2015-07-22T04:55:45.000" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7448" PostId="3235" Score="0" Text="I definitely see it at almost 10K.  I use it a lot :)" CreationDate="2015-07-22T10:49:39.090" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7452" PostId="3241" Score="1" Text="Ah! Surprising. And I can't mark my own question as a duplicate, because that one is on meta.SE ;-)" CreationDate="2015-07-22T20:13:18.580" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="7453" PostId="3242" Score="2" Text="related: [Aggressive Edits](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2153/168)" CreationDate="2015-07-23T14:40:06.290" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7458" PostId="3242" Score="2" Text="related - http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/2950/193412" CreationDate="2015-07-27T18:07:55.530" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7454" PostId="3243" Score="2" Text="Not a blonde moment; that number is often wrong.  I've seen discussion of it on Meta.SE but don't have a link handy.  The number in the header is a site-wide number, and cached.  With luck somebody will find the relevant MSE posts and write a proper answer." CreationDate="2015-07-24T03:06:01.410" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7455" PostId="3243" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Ok, thanks!  I did wonder if it were site-wide.  I saw go up to 13, I cleared a few which dropped it to 10.  A few minutes later it was 9 again when I hadn't been near the queues." CreationDate="2015-07-24T03:13:24.403" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7457" PostId="3246" Score="1" Text="I think apart from voting the answer down and leaving a comment for the user, there's not much else.  The garbage collector will pick it up if it gets downvoted far enough.  In this case, the answer should have been a comment anyway." CreationDate="2015-07-26T22:33:05.247" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7482" PostId="3246" Score="0" Text="I'm wondering if this might be signup-related - as in, I offered an answer for something (on puzzling.se I think), and signed up at or around that point, but then didn't do the e-mail activation process in the same session (answered at work, signed up under private e-mail account, didn't do the verification until I got home). That meant that the answer I provided wasn't linked to my new account, so I couldn't comment on it, and I didn't have the rep to make comments generally. If that's the case with this question, this may have been the only way for the OP to respond." CreationDate="2015-07-31T12:30:22.123" UserId="30040" />
  <row Id="7494" PostId="3246" Score="0" Text="Interestingly, a similar instance of this just cropped up: [Original Question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/50377/career-path-for-developers) (Closed), [New Question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/50693/from-developer-to-project-manager)." CreationDate="2015-08-05T09:46:17.643" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7459" PostId="3249" Score="0" Text="**Please number the questions 1) 1a) 1b) 2) 3) 4)** ... and also **group thematically-related subquestions together as 1a) 1b) 1c)** ... I remember I asked you the exact same request on the SO election 2(?) years ago :-) Can we please make that format standard? It helps speed-reading quickly and searching for answers to &quot;9) ...&quot; I really want to skip over the soft-fuzzy questions like &quot;What makes you excited..?&quot; and get to crucial questions like &quot;How to handle user who produced a steady stream of valuable answers...&quot; and &quot;...mod closed/deleted/etc a question that you feel shouldn't have been?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-07-27T21:05:30.167" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="7460" PostId="3249" Score="0" Text="Numbering them is a reasonable request; trying to impose a hierarchy/grouping where none exists is not.  Each of these questions was asked independently and should be treated as such.  You should also not assume that any given question serves only one purpose." CreationDate="2015-07-27T21:15:09.937" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7461" PostId="3249" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio: clearly I only asked a hierarchy/grouping be added where it does exist. Possible example: *&quot;In your opinion, what do moderators do?&quot;* and *&quot;What do you think TW Moderators could do (which they aren't doing yet)&quot;*" CreationDate="2015-07-27T21:21:32.497" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="7462" PostId="3249" Score="0" Text="I only just found out the Questionnaire was closed to submissions. Here are two of mine (paraphrase into general version as necessary): http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/23047029#23047029 1) How to handle Q which is interesting, but ambiguous, sprawling and lacks specific context 2) When vague title and retrospective title edit greatly changes meaning." CreationDate="2015-07-27T21:22:24.147" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="7463" PostId="3249" Score="2" Text="@smci just for you, I've added numbers :) I'm also not sure there are clear categories though so I've left them out. I'll respond to the extended questions in chat, as I'm not sure if we're supposed to add questions to the list at this point" CreationDate="2015-07-27T21:35:32.160" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="7464" PostId="3249" Score="0" Text="Thanks @yochannah. If there was a notification about the deadline for questionnaire entries, I didn't see it." CreationDate="2015-07-27T21:42:05.123" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="7467" PostId="3249" Score="0" Text="@smci from the question-collection post: &quot;During the nomination phase, (so, until Monday, July 27th at 20:00:00Z UTC, or 4:00 pm EDT on the same day, give or take time to arrive for closure), this question will be open to collect potential questions from the users of the site. &quot;" CreationDate="2015-07-27T22:03:30.040" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7468" PostId="3249" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio: that's not a notification. That was buried in the post. A notification would be a message title like &quot;Submit your questions to TheWorkplace election questionnaire before July 27th&quot;. I'm an active user of 5-10 different SE sites and metas, plus other stuff. I cannot read every message in full. I guess I'll just assume in future the questionnaire deadline is 7 days" CreationDate="2015-07-27T22:11:21.130" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="7465" PostId="3250" Score="0" Text="1) What about reactive comments or legitimate dissension where a poorly-phrased question/ ambiguous/ insufficient context/ retrospective edit changes things greatly, to the point of invalidating answers and setting them for a tsunami of downvotes? I gave two examples in my link above to chat. Downvoting is not the fix to all ills. Sometimes, question posters are behaving carelessly and wasting everyone's time." CreationDate="2015-07-27T21:45:09.243" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="7466" PostId="3250" Score="0" Text="**2) What is legitimate discussion, what is clarification, what is 'argument'?** Are we agreed legitimate discussion and clarification are good and healthy? Discuss wrt specific examples if possible. I see many questions asked here are vague and lack context; we beg the asker to supply, but they don't. Should we sit and wait, or just write a good-faith answer and expose ourselves to downvote, grief and cranky comments if they subsequently invalidate their own question? It seems unfair. What to do with users who are habitually vague and badly-behaved like that? Slap them with the clarity stick?" CreationDate="2015-07-27T21:47:46.587" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="7475" PostId="3250" Score="0" Text="@smci these questions have been addressed extensively in the mod election chat, so I'm not going to add a lot here. I'm curious though: how do you feel they should have been handled?" CreationDate="2015-07-28T20:51:57.670" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="7469" PostId="3251" Score="0" Text="Thanks!  That just about covers it :)" CreationDate="2015-07-27T22:18:15.850" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7470" PostId="3251" Score="1" Text="If you poke at the 10k tools page (review -&gt; tools -&gt; close (last 30 days)), you can get a hint of what tasks are sitting around in that queue that might need some action." CreationDate="2015-07-27T22:19:43.350" UserDisplayName="user10042" />
  <row Id="7471" PostId="3251" Score="0" Text="Thanks again, I will do just that! :)" CreationDate="2015-07-27T22:26:36.787" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7474" PostId="3254" Score="0" Text="Hi.  The questionnaire has already been posted, so if you want to ask candidates your question, please use the election chat room or ask in comments on their answers to the other question.  I've now closed this as a dupe of the questionnaire so nobody else is confused; sorry for not catching that earlier." CreationDate="2015-07-28T17:22:27.547" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7480" PostId="3256" Score="0" Text="I did this, I might add the names of whose advice made what impact afterwards, but I feel like I'm already adding too much as is." CreationDate="2015-07-29T18:11:38.220" UserId="32778" />
  <row Id="7483" PostId="3256" Score="4" Text="I agree with this, one of the things which I like the most about this site is how meaningful it is on people's REAL LIFE. It's not just a code question, it's real life issues. Having real life &quot;how did this work?&quot; tacked onto a question might be really beneficial (like it was in your case)." CreationDate="2015-07-31T20:28:05.313" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16727" PostId="3256" Score="0" Text="I agree that it's helpful to know, but I disagree that it belongs as part of the question itself. It should either be a comment on the question, a comment on the answer whose advice you followed, or an answer itself (if you didn't follow any one answer's advice)." CreationDate="2018-10-04T02:47:54.657" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="7476" PostId="3257" Score="0" Text="Because I received several good answers, one of which I accepted. My answer won't really add anything simply summarize parts of the other answers with the benefit of hind-sight. And I believe that any answer should add information to the question, otherwise it's simply noise." CreationDate="2015-07-29T11:28:10.353" UserId="32778" />
  <row Id="7477" PostId="3257" Score="2" Text="If it's not going to add value, don't write anything. This isn't a discussion forum - we don't need &quot;thanks, this helped&quot; messages or the like as that's what we've got upvotes and accepted answers for." CreationDate="2015-07-29T11:35:30.660" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="7478" PostId="3257" Score="2" Text="Is it though? I mean, for other parts of stack exchange I very much agree. But for the workplace it might help to know how things panned out for someone else. And in most other parts of stack exchange you know something helped if it was the accepted answer. In the workplace you just don't really know if it helped or not, you just know the author agrees with your advice." CreationDate="2015-07-29T11:38:44.397" UserId="32778" />
  <row Id="7479" PostId="3257" Score="6" Text="I see @Reaces point; a subject like TWP doesn't have a clear feedback loop for whether or not something worked the way computers do. As a result, updating to say &quot;This thing worked well in the real world!&quot; is actually a big help to the community. I recommend adding an update to the question because if you summarize in a new question, it takes some of the shine away from your existing answerers. My $.02." CreationDate="2015-07-29T15:05:54.907" UserId="11118" />
  <row Id="16728" PostId="3257" Score="0" Text="I agree that it's helpful to know, but I disagree that it belongs as part of the question itself. It should either be a comment on the question, a comment on the answer whose advice you followed, or an answer itself (if you didn't follow any one answer's advice)." CreationDate="2018-10-04T02:48:40.533" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="7481" PostId="3259" Score="0" Text="Agreed, we obviously don't want to remove statements that add value to the post, even if they could be considered overly emotional. The keyword on this topic seems to be **clutter** (which is best removed)." CreationDate="2015-07-31T07:44:28.513" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7491" PostId="3260" Score="3" Text="we are simply [attacked by spammers](http://i.stack.imgur.com/DnkMk.png)" CreationDate="2015-08-03T09:07:24.053" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7488" PostId="3262" Score="1" Text="I see the reasoning behind restricting the site to English. However, non-English questions are still useful to keep around. Posts on SE are editable by community. There have been a few questions translated from &quot;gibberish&quot; to English, and those got a decent response. Even if the answer doesn't benefit the *asker* per se, it is still useful to the community, especially if the question is a great one. There are also people who can &quot;read&quot; English but cannot &quot;write&quot; it, so it might benefit the asker too. BTW, I am not *bi*lingual, I am *penta*lingual (*octa*, with some shoehorning). :)" CreationDate="2015-08-02T17:10:44.677" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7489" PostId="3262" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I _almost_ said &quot;multilingual&quot; :)  I am barely monolingual ;)" CreationDate="2015-08-02T23:38:40.933" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7499" PostId="3262" Score="1" Text="In hindsight, my above comment sounds pompous, but anyway, my point there was non-English users visit this site quite often, so there is value in keeping non-English questions here and hoping that someone would come along and translate it. I vaguely recall someone had once posted a question in Arabic (maybe it was on SO, not here) a few years ago, someone else translated it to English, and it received some decent answers. Also, I am one of those who can understand when someone else *speaks* (not writes, though), but cannot frame a sentence myself (in case of Japanese)." CreationDate="2015-08-05T16:33:31.793" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7500" PostId="3266" Score="3" Text="Well done Jane. Like everyone else clearly thinks, I'm positive you'll do well. Everyone who voted for me: thanks. Running was really good fun, and I'm very happy with how it turned out." CreationDate="2015-08-05T19:38:18.023" UserId="12655" />
  <row Id="7501" PostId="3266" Score="3" Text="https://youtu.be/xh-5FI21s6M" CreationDate="2015-08-06T00:55:10.817" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7502" PostId="3266" Score="0" Text="@JimG. OMG how awesome!  Thank you! :)))" CreationDate="2015-08-06T10:51:49.907" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7503" PostId="3266" Score="0" Text="@yochannah Thank you!  I voted for you by the way, so I firmly believe you would have been awesome! :)" CreationDate="2015-08-06T10:52:56.833" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7492" PostId="3267" Score="6" Text="And thanks to all the candidates for stepping up!" CreationDate="2015-08-04T23:36:11.263" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7493" PostId="3267" Score="0" Text="Thanks Joe!  I'm feeling _very_ underqualified right now with experienced people such as yourself here, but I'll try to limit my number of mistakes :)" CreationDate="2015-08-05T00:36:07.400" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7495" PostId="3267" Score="4" Text="@JaneS - I've seen your recent answers to questions and I'm sure you'll be great." CreationDate="2015-08-05T10:10:33.233" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7496" PostId="3267" Score="0" Text="Thanks again Joe :)" CreationDate="2015-08-05T11:19:28.313" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7497" PostId="3268" Score="1" Text="I told you before it was an &quot;obvious&quot; choice..." CreationDate="2015-08-05T12:08:43.320" UserId="2289" />
  <row Id="7498" PostId="3268" Score="0" Text="@aProgrammer LOL!  Well, obvious to others apparently :)" CreationDate="2015-08-05T12:12:56.473" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7504" PostId="3268" Score="2" Text="You will continue to be awesome - now you just have a few extra tools and colleagues to help out. Congratulations again. And to you too @yochannah" CreationDate="2015-08-06T14:46:38.040" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="7507" PostId="3268" Score="0" Text="@RoryAlsop Thanks Rory :)  I'm trying to do some small tasks around the edges and not do too much damage :)" CreationDate="2015-08-06T21:59:25.953" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7509" PostId="3269" Score="0" Text="Thank you!  I am sure that both of the other candidates would have been excellent moderators too, but I am proud that so many people felt that I was capable of helping look after this community :)" CreationDate="2015-08-08T02:52:11.503" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7510" PostId="3270" Score="1" Text="meta thread some time back on a polite &quot;Engrish&quot; type tag: [Feature or tag to request assistance from non native English speakers?](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/283204/839601) - this one, right?" CreationDate="2015-08-10T13:37:23.727" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7515" PostId="3270" Score="0" Text="@gnat Yep, that's the one. I'm kind of surprised at how negative the question score was compared to the answer score. It was a very well meant question." CreationDate="2015-08-10T16:43:30.773" UserId="19259" />
  <row Id="7516" PostId="3270" Score="1" Text="at MSO, this is to be expected. I think the fact that it was well meant (and especially that it was well presented) literally saved you from it getting to like -13 or even lower (I for one recall voting it up solely for this reason, I thought it was very well fit for an answer explaining why it would be bad idea)" CreationDate="2015-08-10T16:47:12.163" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7525" PostId="3270" Score="1" Text="@Dogbert I recall reading that downvotes on meta questions are often used to signify disagreement with the suggestion rather than an indication of the question's quality but I don't know if that's actually true, useful or encouraged." CreationDate="2015-08-11T13:33:37.417" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7528" PostId="3270" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal Yes, that's true. It's explained in the [What's Meta?](http://stackoverflow.com/help/whats-meta) Help Center page: &quot;**On posts tagged feature-request, voting indicates agreement or disagreement** with the proposed change rather than just the quality or usefulness of the post itself.&quot; So it's a good &quot;question&quot; (as much as feature requests on Meta are questions), but it's not really a proposal that's going to get a lot of support, hence the downvotes." CreationDate="2015-08-14T08:44:48.837" UserId="13573" />
  <row Id="7511" PostId="3271" Score="1" Text="Some of my thoughts from before, which are very related - http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1627/2322" CreationDate="2015-08-10T14:19:04.400" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7512" PostId="3271" Score="1" Text="related (possibly a duplicate): [FAQ proposal: Back It Up and Don't Repeat Others](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/255/faq-proposal-back-it-up-and-dont-repeat-others). As opposed to most other Stack Exchange sites, Workplace has explicit and fairly strongly maintained policy on repetitive answers. If memory serves, two or three other sites have similar enforcement" CreationDate="2015-08-10T14:20:41.317" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7524" PostId="3271" Score="0" Text="I think such comments could serve to educate folks in what is a good comment and what is not. Unfortunately, it often just seems to be a race to see who is first to push the &quot;this doesn't add value&quot; or &quot;this doesn't answer the question&quot;  button. Far better would be for a comment to explain *why* or to offer an alternative way to answer." CreationDate="2015-08-11T13:09:18.223" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7513" PostId="3273" Score="1" Text="the question explicitly states that it's about &quot;Me Too answers duplicating most or all of the content of earlier, _better/more elaborate answers_&quot;. Cases when another answer _says it more clearly_ are hardly within scope of this discussion. Though that could be a sensible topic of separate discussion, if one could find examples of later-but-better repetitive answers" CreationDate="2015-08-10T15:16:26.847" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7519" PostId="3273" Score="0" Text="The point I was trying to make is that whether an answer just repeats a previous answer or provides additional insights or information is a subjective evaluation. Unless it's word for word the same, it arguably adds SOMETHING: some different information, an alternative and maybe better way of explaining, etc. My idea of &quot;more clear&quot; and yours may not be the same. I may think that some additional point is a valuable insight while you think it's a trivial side issue. Etc." CreationDate="2015-08-10T17:08:10.867" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="7520" PostId="3274" Score="1" Text="Now see, I specifically said in the question that I do NOT want to debate whether my answers in these cases were good or bad as that's not the point. So your answer is non-responsive and adds no value! :-)" CreationDate="2015-08-10T17:12:24.663" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="7521" PostId="3274" Score="4" Text="@Jay but it is the point. You aren't talking about these comments about &quot;not adding value&quot; being posted on answers which contribute to the site and are great answers. You are talking about them being applied to answers which they _should be applied to_ because those comments are 100% applicable and relevant. As a moderator (and before that, high-rep user) here I want and hope everyone on this site will fight for quality answers, not quantity of answers. Discouraging noisy, &quot;me too!&quot; types of answers that basically copy content from other answers is a great way this can be accomplished." CreationDate="2015-08-10T17:24:26.720" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7522" PostId="3274" Score="0" Text="[downvoting police](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2499/168) :) &quot;We encourage people to downvote content they don't find useful...&quot;" CreationDate="2015-08-10T18:03:19.077" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7523" PostId="3274" Score="1" Text="@enderland My comment above was intended to be a joke -- hence the emoticon -- but on the serious point: OF COURSE a comment that says &quot;this post adds no value&quot; would be inappropriate on a post that does add value. The point of my question was to ask whether there was value added by making such comments on posts that are admittedly of low quality. My implication was that they don't, that they just add noise on top of noise. Apparently you feel differently." CreationDate="2015-08-10T19:51:06.000" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="7526" PostId="3274" Score="2" Text="@Jay As the person who is primarily responsible for your comments and downvotes, both Air's and enderland's answers explain why I did so. An answer with no value is far worse than a comment with no value. Any new answer or edit will bring a question back to the top of the active questions list, distracting from new unanswered questions. If you had posted those answers on current questions, I probably wouldn't have cared, but resurrecting old questions with accepted answers is more harmful than helpful. I commented and downvoted so that you would hopefully avoid doing this again." CreationDate="2015-08-11T15:15:23.763" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7514" PostId="3275" Score="1" Text="&quot;absolutely no expectation&quot; doesn't feel right. Typical reason for downvotes is [because Tim lost his keys](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/215397/165773)" CreationDate="2015-08-10T15:55:32.773" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7517" PostId="3275" Score="0" Text="&quot;flag as not constructive&quot; Sure. Personally I don't want to get into a fight with someone and then run crying to the moderators. That seems a little childish. When is such flagging good and valid? Different question, I think." CreationDate="2015-08-10T16:59:46.980" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="7518" PostId="3275" Score="1" Text="@Jay For what it's worth, neither comment flags nor comment deletions notify the comment author, so assuming you haven't already gotten into an argument, a flag isn't that likely to start one. Any time comments make a Q&amp;A page less useful, they should be moved or nuked. The FAQ is clear: [&quot;Comments are disposable ... and they can be deleted without warning.&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/19756/254929)" CreationDate="2015-08-10T17:04:57.897" UserId="17949" />
  <row Id="7576" PostId="3275" Score="0" Text="+1 - This is exactly how I think such answers and the comments on them should be handled." CreationDate="2015-08-24T10:52:09.773" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7531" PostId="3278" Score="1" Text="&quot;there is also a trend towards the number of comments per question increasing. It's this figure we need to try to manage&quot; Ok, then I'll continue to actively prune my comments every few days. I don't want to contribute to this problem." CreationDate="2015-08-15T19:28:52.260" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7532" PostId="3278" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere from what I've seen, *your* comments are not usually part of the problem.  It's not that comments are inherently bad; it's that a lot of our comments are arguments or other non-constructive stuff that we really don't want to host." CreationDate="2015-08-16T04:45:40.357" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7533" PostId="3278" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Note that here I haven't differentiated between comments being deleted or retained.  It's the fact that a high level of comments are being generated.  I should go back and look at the deletion rate as that would be indicative of how many comments are off topic for whatever reason.  From my experience, yours would not be a contributing factor." CreationDate="2015-08-16T04:48:18.747" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7536" PostId="3278" Score="0" Text="Comments are comments. It doesn't matter whose comments - they all add to the numbers that folks use to bolster the argument that we have *too many comments*. So to make sure I don't contribute to that problem, I have been deleting *all* of my comments that are more than a few days old (except the comments that the system doesn't permit me to delete). As long as we have a comments problem, I'd encourage everyone to do the same." CreationDate="2015-08-16T21:20:24.143" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7559" PostId="3278" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere we moderators are very appreciative of your efforts here!  Just a thought, it may be beneficial to flag comments as Obsolete rather than just delete yours (or just flagging a post with &quot;comment cleanup&quot; or something). As moderators, we routinely delete comments threads which are no longer needed and it would benefit us greatly if instead of silently deleting your comments you flag the posts/comments for cleanup (this way we can delete both halves of the comment thread)." CreationDate="2015-08-18T12:19:43.447" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7537" PostId="3279" Score="3" Text="possible duplicate of [How can we migrate questions to other SE sites?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2112/how-can-we-migrate-questions-to-other-se-sites)" CreationDate="2015-08-17T06:57:43.607" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7548" PostId="3279" Score="2" Text="@MaskedMan this doesn't look like a duplicate.  That question asks how to migrate to sites that aren't options; this question asks for a new option.  (Also, and I don't know how significant this is, that question was asked when we were still in beta, when it's *very* unusual to have other options.  Graduated sites can ask for custom migrations, though you still have to make a case.)" CreationDate="2015-08-17T13:02:48.527" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7549" PostId="3279" Score="2" Text="Dale, in order to consider adding a custom migration target, the team will need to see a convincing argument backed by data.  Which questions *that are not poor questions anywhere* (&quot;don't migrate crap&quot;) should have been migrated to Law?  A list of such questions that the community agrees on would help.  Thanks." CreationDate="2015-08-17T13:04:00.380" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7551" PostId="3279" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio While that may be true, Jim's answer to that question adequately answers this question, in particular, the point about this being intentional, and the link which points to an answer on meta.SE by Jeff Atwood. (A few years ago, I learned on SO that when flagging a question as duplicate, the answers have to be considered as well.)" CreationDate="2015-08-17T16:46:21.387" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7593" PostId="3281" Score="0" Text="Moderators and 10k users should have access to closed question stats,which includes a list of the custom off-topic comments; this should be useful in determining what kind of migration volume you'd have." CreationDate="2015-08-27T05:50:12.497" UserId="40468" />
  <row Id="7557" PostId="3282" Score="0" Text="as an answerer, I find it that [when there are many answers already, it gets hard to check that mine won't repeat others](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2562/168). Probably that's the issue for question readers as well - when they have to crawl through repetitive answers, that's sort of wasting their time and decreases our appeal as Q&amp;A site" CreationDate="2015-08-18T06:16:17.873" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7554" PostId="3283" Score="0" Text="I guess my issue is that it comes down to the fact that so many of these questions cannot be answered definitively.  People might give 20 answers to one question, all with valid points, but non can be said to be 100% right or wrong." CreationDate="2015-08-17T21:58:52.107" UserId="9490" />
  <row Id="7555" PostId="3283" Score="1" Text="The Workplace is a very _human_ site :)  What we are dealing with 99% of the time is someone trying to deal with a situation at work that is impacting on their ability to enjoy their job.  If you look at those 20 questions, there is some common thread of an answer (be aware of [me too](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/172/what-can-we-do-about-me-too-answers) type answers), unless the question is blatantly unanswerable like &quot;What colour should I make my curtains?&quot; :)" CreationDate="2015-08-17T22:03:47.897" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7556" PostId="3283" Score="1" Text="@Keltari that is precisely why you should _always_ include an answer to &quot;why?&quot; in an answer here, because it provides insight into how to make the decision. That insight is what is helpful to other users here, not necessarily just &quot;do X&quot; but &quot;because of X, Y, Z [which might not be applicable to other readers] do this.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-08-17T22:23:32.950" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7577" PostId="3283" Score="1" Text="+1 for your first phrase alone (though I agree with the rest of it as well). By all accounts I'm no managing or workplace expert since I'm relatively new to the workforce but I can still provide useful answers just by outlining the common sense approach to user's questions." CreationDate="2015-08-24T10:56:34.993" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7560" PostId="3284" Score="3" Text="&quot;It also needs some cleanup work and propably a retitle but I'll leave that for if/when it's reopened&quot; -- actually, it's best to make whatever changes are needed to prepare it for reopening.  And as a bonus, an edit will send the question into the reopen review queue.  So if you see something that can help a question on its path to reopening, please don't wait -- go ahead and fix it." CreationDate="2015-08-18T20:50:58.583" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7561" PostId="3284" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Ah I forgot to update this. I have in fact [already made the edit.](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/33166) Regarding Alec's Reject Vote: there's a lot of red and green in there but the author's intent should not have changed: he clarified a few things in the comments which I incorporated in his question." CreationDate="2015-08-18T20:59:05.503" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7563" PostId="3285" Score="4" Text="The question is reopened now." CreationDate="2015-08-19T07:15:08.530" UserId="17125" />
  <row Id="7564" PostId="3285" Score="0" Text="And [answered](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/52303/25739), thanks for the reopen. I think I covered the FLSA well but it'd be interesting to get input from anyone with HR experience." CreationDate="2015-08-19T09:44:10.567" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7568" PostId="3286" Score="0" Text="if memory serves, intent was to make it easier to see how to edit the question to prevent close or to reopen. You edit out &quot;what should I do&quot; and after that, try to make sense of what remains - and, if you can make it, question is worthy of staying open (I didn't actively participate in wording this, so I may miss something)" CreationDate="2015-08-19T22:27:37.493" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7570" PostId="3286" Score="5" Text="I've always thought we should not include the phrase &quot;What do I do?&quot; when explaining the reason to close. I come across so many questions that clearly state the problem and the desired outcome but finish with &quot;What do I do [to achieve what I have just explained]?&quot; These questions almost always get a few close votes just for having that specific wording at the end, even though they meet our standards." CreationDate="2015-08-20T14:38:47.580" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7590" PostId="3286" Score="1" Text="For some context why that close reason exists: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2693/16" CreationDate="2015-08-26T20:47:19.563" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7591" PostId="3286" Score="1" Text="Another for Context: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2644/good-subjective-bad-subjective-and-agony-aunt-questions" CreationDate="2015-08-26T21:10:23.147" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7614" PostId="3286" Score="1" Text="I think the general consensus is that this close reason should change, though we maybe haven't settled on a particular wording. (My current favorite is Chad's.) I'm guessing the mods need to take the next steps? I just want to make sure this doesn't drift away and get forgotten before action gets taken." CreationDate="2015-09-09T13:40:01.530" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7690" PostId="3286" Score="3" Text="When I first came to this SE site, I couldn't help but notice that 99% of the questions violate at least the letter of that rule... as written." CreationDate="2015-09-28T06:51:39.863" UserId="32418" />
  <row Id="13025" PostId="3286" Score="1" Text="Per the update, I'm totally on board with this!" CreationDate="2017-07-18T17:46:32.350" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13031" PostId="3286" Score="1" Text="This question should be closed as it's asking for advice on what to do..." CreationDate="2017-07-18T21:37:55.907" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13200" PostId="3286" Score="0" Text="Thanks for updating this Monica! Slight grammar nitpick - I think the last line should be &quot;asking how to make the decision, or ***for*** more specific details&quot;" CreationDate="2017-08-03T12:10:59.093" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7567" PostId="3287" Score="0" Text="I think it's a good improvement.  I sort of wonder if we should include that asking &quot;What should I do?&quot; is _not_ what we can answer but rather, &quot;How can I make an informed decision?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-08-19T22:22:00.883" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7569" PostId="3287" Score="2" Text="Not just rarely useful to anyone else, but also rarely answerable without going into far more detailed analysis of this person's hopes fears, likes and dislikes, skills, and so on than we could possibly address here." CreationDate="2015-08-20T04:08:37.897" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="7584" PostId="3287" Score="1" Text="This reason was changed a year or so ago with the intent of encompassing the general here is my problem tell me what to do questions.  This would remove that part.  I have always disliked the wording on the close reason, but I also hate to see that portion removed." CreationDate="2015-08-24T21:39:41.830" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7566" PostId="3288" Score="8" Text="consider that you haven't seen if user had deleted answers / comments. This means some part of the picture is not visible to regular users. One interesting example worth looking at is [here](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/46970/168)" CreationDate="2015-08-19T22:19:49.363" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7571" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="Nice!  I like this wording." CreationDate="2015-08-20T15:53:35.990" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7572" PostId="3290" Score="2" Text="This is much, much better than the current version." CreationDate="2015-08-20T20:31:27.423" UserId="14047" />
  <row Id="7575" PostId="3290" Score="4" Text="The final sentence doesn't flow smoothly. I'd suggest something like `Instead of asking what decision to make, try asking how you should come to a decision or narrow your question down to specific elements of the decision.`" CreationDate="2015-08-24T10:46:41.407" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7578" PostId="3290" Score="1" Text="I like this too!" CreationDate="2015-08-24T17:31:47.697" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7579" PostId="3290" Score="5" Text="If Lilienthal's version of the last sentence is preferred that's fine - I have no preference." CreationDate="2015-08-24T17:33:19.900" UserId="3227" />
  <row Id="7583" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="This wording implies that &quot;advice on a specific choice&quot; is an accurate summary of what's problematic with these questions, which seems like it would include every question on the site (i.e. the same problem as the current phrasing). If it was made more precise like &quot;advice on a specific long-term career development choice&quot; then I'd support this." CreationDate="2015-08-24T19:42:21.557" UserId="33628" />
  <row Id="7585" PostId="3290" Score="1" Text="This close reason loses the close for the general here is my situation tell me what to do questions that the current close reason is intended to include.  Perhaps rewording &quot;Instead of asking which decision to make&quot; to &quot;Instead of asking what/which decision to make&quot; will make it clear that those questions are not appropriate but im not sure." CreationDate="2015-08-24T21:43:49.263" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7586" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="@ReallyTiredOfThisGame I'd probably be tempted to close &quot;here is my tale of woe; what do I do?&quot; as either &quot;too broad&quot; or &quot;primarily opinion-based&quot;, depending on the specific content of the question.  That sort of question isn't on-topic *anywhere* on SE that I'm aware of, so maybe the general reasons work?  (Just thinking out loud here.)" CreationDate="2015-08-24T21:55:31.700" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7587" PostId="3290" Score="1" Text="We wanted them declared specifically off topic though." CreationDate="2015-08-25T15:48:44.757" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7592" PostId="3290" Score="1" Text="Why?  All close reasons say &quot;doesn't fit here&quot;; if an SE-wide reason applies, why does our close reason need to be specifically an *off-topic* reason?  &quot;Here is my situation; what do I do?&quot; is closed all over the network as unanswerable, but most sites haven't made custom off-topic reasons for it as far as I know." CreationDate="2015-08-26T21:11:30.887" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7595" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio because they were a problem that is effectively dealt with this way.  Read the linked threads above." CreationDate="2015-08-30T06:41:15.983" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7596" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="@really I disagree with &quot;effectively&quot;. Have you read the many comments on those questions about this reason?  You can also prevent poor questions by allowing none, but that would obviously be overkill. I say this reason is overkill and the built-in reasons apply to those not covered by a new wording here.  It looks like the community agrees, so barring a *compelling* argument we will probably change this." CreationDate="2015-08-30T12:41:22.177" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7597" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="Well the IMO the mods should be culling comments far more agressively.  If their comments dissappear people will stop chatting in comments. And while we have more of a comment problem we have far less of a question problem.  And even the comments are not as bad as they have been." CreationDate="2015-08-31T12:59:58.363" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7598" PostId="3290" Score="1" Text="I like this wording a lot - it gets at the core of why these questions are a problem (&quot;tell me what to do&quot;) but doesn't stop &quot;tell me what to do _to accomplish this goal_&quot; which is great. The difficult questions are when people ask us to make a decision for them. Which are nearly impossible to answer, since there are always more factors which are unknown and yet is required for a good answer." CreationDate="2015-09-01T14:10:14.427" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13030" PostId="3290" Score="1" Text="I can think of no better phrasing." CreationDate="2017-07-18T20:27:33.993" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13032" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="(1) Most questions relate to a specific choice, this has the same problem as the original reason. (2) I'm not sure a question like &quot;what job to take&quot; can really be fixed by simply asking how to make the decision instead (e.g. &quot;how do I compare these job&quot;), as this phrasing seems to imply - I feel like the &quot;Instead of&quot; part should be removed." CreationDate="2017-07-18T22:00:21.117" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13066" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="*or more specific details about one element of the decision.*  - This wording is unclear to mean what is intended by this.  I think this wording needs to be clarified before implementing this." CreationDate="2017-07-20T16:44:09.813" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13203" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="It should not be limitied to career choices.  I find this last minute stealth change to be unacceptable." CreationDate="2017-08-03T15:10:39.557" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13204" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - Please provide a link to where the new wording that limited the close reason to career choices was discussed?" CreationDate="2017-08-03T16:35:46.197" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13206" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="Are you objecting to the word *career*?  That suggestion came from [this recent answer](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4648/325), which didn't garner any opposition and seemed uncontroversial, and examples, and what we actually use it for.  If it's a big deal to you I don't mind removing that one word; just get two mods to edit it (changes to close reasons require two mods).  I won't be able to help for a while.  (If you'd skipped the nonconstructive commentary and accusations on a completely different site and said what you actually object to earlier, I could have helped then.)" CreationDate="2017-08-03T17:14:25.243" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13211" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - It had 3 votes vs 30 for the one without... i thought the community decision would be clear.  What I think would be the best course would be to remove the word career from the close reason for now.  If you really think it should be limited to career start a new topic to limit the close reason to only career choices...  So we can get a community consensus" CreationDate="2017-08-03T18:38:21.477" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13214" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="Not a fan. This is a 2 year old question. It would have made more sense to ask it again and let the current community discuss it rather than play necromancer to a topic and make a decision. I'd rather it go back the way it was and revisit the topic with a new discussion, since it wasn't compelling enough to change back then. I find changing something based on something suggested 2 years ago to be ... bizarre" CreationDate="2017-08-03T19:38:03.717" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13215" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="@chris Chad we updated and featured the  question 2 weeks ago saying we wanted to do this. The career suggestion cane after that and as I said seemed ok - I wouldn't expect 30 votes  in that time. This one took 2 years to get there. Removing career is ok but I see no reason to completely revert." CreationDate="2017-08-03T22:36:58.560" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13216" PostId="3290" Score="0" Text="&quot;details about one element of the decision&quot; Is even more specific than &quot;advice on a specific choice&quot;. These two elements seem counteracting each other." CreationDate="2017-08-04T09:35:22.857" UserId="54561" />
  <row Id="7599" PostId="3291" Score="0" Text="This has been up for almost a week, with 9 upvotes and no downvotes. It looks to me like there won't be a lot of discussion here. Do you want to ping a moderator and ask him to merge?" CreationDate="2015-09-02T12:39:11.830" UserId="17125" />
  <row Id="7600" PostId="3291" Score="0" Text="@StephanKolassa Dropped a link in the chat, I'll ping a mod directly later if no one picks it up." CreationDate="2015-09-03T08:47:57.580" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7615" PostId="3294" Score="1" Text="I think I really like this.  I fear that some will think this also over broad but I think it is exactly what we need." CreationDate="2015-09-09T14:31:36.777" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7620" PostId="3294" Score="1" Text="I like this too." CreationDate="2015-09-10T14:45:28.283" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7665" PostId="3294" Score="2" Text="I like how this is short yet covers this close reason very well. One nitpick, I'm admittedly not a native speaker but &quot;Consider instead asking&quot; feels like an unnatural construct, wouldn't &quot;Instead, consider asking&quot; be preferable? It also scans better and makes it clear that sentence is what the OP should do to improve the question." CreationDate="2015-09-16T15:23:02.463" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7667" PostId="3294" Score="2" Text="Lilienthal: done, thanks." CreationDate="2015-09-16T16:45:37.397" UserId="610" />
  <row Id="13033" PostId="3294" Score="0" Text="You might want to remove &quot;or circumstances&quot; from this (and rephrase &quot;your personal situation&quot; in some manner), as most on-topic questions depend heavily on the asker's circumstances (and personal situation)." CreationDate="2017-07-18T22:08:02.910" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13034" PostId="3294" Score="1" Text="Of course this could also be phrased like: `&quot;Questions that depend exclusively on one's own abilities and preferences (e.g. ...) are off topic because ...&quot;`." CreationDate="2017-07-18T22:23:46.573" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13035" PostId="3294" Score="0" Text="&quot;abilities, preferences or motivations&quot; maybe?" CreationDate="2017-07-18T23:02:43.997" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13052" PostId="3294" Score="0" Text="This option has my vote." CreationDate="2017-07-19T18:51:19.793" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="7601" PostId="3295" Score="1" Text="As one of the close-voters of that same question on ELL, I'm pleasantly surprised that it got such a good reception (and solid answers) over here. Well done!" CreationDate="2015-09-07T21:52:21.887" UserId="31885" />
  <row Id="7606" PostId="3296" Score="0" Text="The tag was suggested in [an edit](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/48181/2). Though he doesn't have the required 1500 rep for a mature site, I'm assuming this edit dates back to the public beta where [only 150 rep is required to create a tag.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/160292/260382)" CreationDate="2015-09-08T16:52:33.127" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7603" PostId="3300" Score="0" Text="The profile  part happened after the rest.  It was not there during the Downvoting.  I dont have a problem with the duplicate flags... they are pretty accurate.  Its the downvoting with out trying to help that I have an issue with" CreationDate="2015-09-08T16:08:02.860" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7604" PostId="3300" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure I saw the profile quote *before* the most recent question. No matter - I have no idea why people ever downvote any question. Something about the question or individual they don't like, I assume." CreationDate="2015-09-08T16:11:35.490" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7605" PostId="3300" Score="1" Text="I can verify that that comment was in his profile at the time the user posted his [most recent question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/54042/how-to-go-on-interviews-while-on-resignation-period-without-offending-my-manager). In fact he responded there around 6 hours ago." CreationDate="2015-09-08T16:16:00.403" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7607" PostId="3300" Score="1" Text="I don't think we should be downvoting questions just because they are duplicates.  I *do* downvote questions that are poorly asked -- one-liners, clear discussion/opinion questions, those that are *wildly* off-topic, etc -- because such questions show a lack of effort.  I haven't downvoted the specific questions being talked about here." CreationDate="2015-09-08T17:46:24.540" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7608" PostId="3300" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio &quot;I don't think we should be downvoting questions just because they are duplicates.&quot; I agree, but I suspect that is indeed the source of a lot of downvotes. I'm guessing some folks feel that not searching for an existing question/answer before posting demonstrates &quot;a lack of effort&quot;." CreationDate="2015-09-08T18:39:25.293" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7609" PostId="3300" Score="3" Text="To clarify, I've [summarised the questions for the user being discussed in chat along with up/downvote counts](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/23964299#23964299). I wouldn't call a maximum of 6 downvotes &quot;mass downvoting&quot; and there's little point in speculating which particular reason users had to downvote these questions. I think we can objectively say that the questions showed a lack of effort so downvotes for that reason would, in my opinion, be legitimate." CreationDate="2015-09-09T08:09:49.043" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7613" PostId="3300" Score="2" Text="I don't believe I downvoted any of these questions, but the only times I give a downvote purely for being a duplicate is when the question is very common and already exists in many forms on the site. It shows to me that the poster has put extremely little effort into researching and searching for the question. Though often those questions are also poorly written, making me more likely to downvote." CreationDate="2015-09-09T13:35:05.457" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9852" PostId="3300" Score="0" Text="Sorry for necroing this thread, but don't questions with scores of -5 and no answers get closed automatically? This is why I downvote duplicate questions." CreationDate="2016-08-15T15:23:37.077" UserDisplayName="user43144" />
  <row Id="14914" PostId="3300" Score="0" Text="@puzzlepiece87 no, questions are never automatically closed.  Downvoted unanswered questions are eventually deleted (as abandoned) by the system; perhaps that's what you were thinking of." CreationDate="2018-03-06T21:06:55.107" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14916" PostId="3300" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Thanks for clearing that up! Yes, that's what I was thinking of." CreationDate="2018-03-06T21:24:42.767" UserDisplayName="user43144" />
  <row Id="7610" PostId="3302" Score="1" Text="This is a core site feature and [has been discussed on the main site's meta before](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/296/reputation-for-comments) (have a look at the linked questions there which has a lot of duplicates)." CreationDate="2015-09-09T10:40:27.527" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7611" PostId="3302" Score="0" Text="Thanks @Lilienthal - I didn't find those posts in my search before posting the question." CreationDate="2015-09-09T10:47:38.543" UserDisplayName="user27483" />
  <row Id="7617" PostId="3306" Score="3" Text="Most schools have a Placement Office that can help answer this sort of question far better than The Workplace could. Consider asking them." CreationDate="2015-09-10T12:06:03.767" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7618" PostId="3306" Score="7" Text="I just want to say ***thank you*** for actually putting in the effort to understand our site and make your question on-topic before blindly posting. It is astonishing how many questions get closed because people don't bother." CreationDate="2015-09-10T12:54:58.510" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7619" PostId="3306" Score="0" Text="Yeah, what @DavidK (and Joe) said. Career services will have a much better understanding than anyone here would because your specific circumstances are not known to us - and are known, at least better, by your school officials." CreationDate="2015-09-10T14:27:35.313" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7675" PostId="3306" Score="0" Text="General comment: there are basically two kinds of jobs you (or anyone) are live candidates for. One of them would be something your training is labelled as training for. Another of them is what you can do with transferable skills. Biology, like practically any other real mainstream major, requires and teaches certain basic and useful skills beyond the surface level. I would pick out, for biology, thinking abstractly, formulating and testing hypotheses, keeping track of details a lot more effectively than either of my majors calls for. A good career counselor could find more." CreationDate="2015-09-19T00:02:58.770" UserId="8198" />
  <row Id="7676" PostId="3306" Score="0" Text="I'd personally go through all the first-page links at http://tinyurl.com/ncbf8u6 exhaustively (the first page has an online inventory tool), and read cover to cover some edition of [What Color Is Your Parachute?](http://tinyurl.com/ooczfwc). And I know you might not be in a position to get an advanced degree, but depending on where you live if you are willing to deal with stress and adventure, training for an EMT was 10 credit hours for me at a community college. And scaling back on stress, there are a lot of &quot;some sort of medical helper&quot; professions that require surprisingly little training." CreationDate="2015-09-19T00:09:33.033" UserId="8198" />
  <row Id="7684" PostId="3306" Score="0" Text="I just posted [an attempt to take your question as the basis for a permitted question and provided a useful answer.](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/54717/i-have-level-of-training-in-area-how-can-i-tell-lines-of-work-ar/54722#54722) HTH..." CreationDate="2015-09-19T20:51:05.017" UserId="8198" />
  <row Id="7682" PostId="3307" Score="1" Text="I might comment, though, that ideally there should be some sort of question that could rightly be answered by talking about transferrable skills, identifying what transferrable skills one has, and identifying jobs one can do based on transferrable skills. I don't see an answer of that sort as spouting opinion, and perhaps there is some way of formulating a general question that lends itself to answers in terms of transferrable skills." CreationDate="2015-09-19T13:03:56.653" UserId="8198" />
  <row Id="7626" PostId="3309" Score="1" Text="One little thing, SHOUTING (using upper case for emphasis) in your comment stating it's off-topic probably came across as a little more aggressive than you intended.  It's perhaps one reason this particular user got defensive :)" CreationDate="2015-09-10T21:04:45.877" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7625" PostId="3310" Score="0" Text="while I agree with idea to show them such a guide, please note that [SE team likely thinks opposite](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2688/168): &quot;On the smaller sites, I believe the idea is that, since they get less traffic than Stack Overflow, there's not as much of a disincentive to prevent people from posting, since the community can help users fix problems with their posts, or close, flag, and delete...&quot; (do I think they're wrong? you bet)" CreationDate="2015-09-10T20:36:59.207" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7627" PostId="3310" Score="0" Text="&quot;It there a way I can send him a message privately?&quot; I'm afraid not, Joe.  Any private interactions such as mod messages are very carefully controlled." CreationDate="2015-09-10T21:18:01.177" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7628" PostId="3310" Score="0" Text="@JaneS _technically_ Joe could stalk him to another SE and post a comment somewhere. But when I say it like that.. it sounds really stalkerish :)" CreationDate="2015-09-10T21:53:28.307" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7629" PostId="3310" Score="0" Text="@enderland Hmm, in that case I probably shouldn't do that.  Any more.... ;)" CreationDate="2015-09-10T21:59:05.947" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7633" PostId="3310" Score="0" Text="Maybe someone with power could *undelete* that question? Perhaps it's not worth doing..." CreationDate="2015-09-11T23:45:58.273" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7634" PostId="3310" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere you the ability to cast an undelete vote, too - I think anyone with 10k rep can cast undelete votes." CreationDate="2015-09-12T15:01:13.737" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7624" PostId="3311" Score="1" Text="I think your final point is most important.  If all you are doing is posting a message that is critical of the post, and often implied of the OP, then there is no constructive value in the post.  These posts just need to stop period.  If you have a constructive suggestion make it plain and pleasant or dont post it." CreationDate="2015-09-10T17:26:26.467" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7630" PostId="3311" Score="0" Text="+1: You're good with new users." CreationDate="2015-09-10T23:09:09.323" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7631" PostId="3312" Score="0" Text="+1: For &quot;A big problem Workplace has is people wanting to validate their preexisting notions.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-09-11T03:02:42.100" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7649" PostId="3314" Score="1" Text="You've done great... I remember voting for you a month ago :)" CreationDate="2015-09-15T07:51:36.587" UserId="18799" />
  <row Id="7653" PostId="3314" Score="0" Text="@eyoung100 LOL, thanks! :)" CreationDate="2015-09-15T10:36:08.320" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7635" PostId="3316" Score="2" Text="One issue I see is that what the OP describes isn't actually a project or workplace mentor but more a sort of guidance counselor. The validity of college-related questions has been brought up on the Workplace before: **[Should we allow school/college-related questions?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/18/)** and **[Are questions concerning the dynamics of clubs and projects on-topic for The Workplace?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2003/)**" CreationDate="2015-09-14T15:16:47.650" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7636" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="Questions which are at best tangentially related to the workplace should be off-topic. However, the question which led you to make this post will likely end up as a strawman, since its on/off-topic status seems to be toggling with every new piece of information that the OP provides. A better example might be less confusing for people who did not witness the discussion on that question." CreationDate="2015-09-14T16:54:23.780" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7637" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="I agree with @enderland - seems off-topic to me." CreationDate="2015-09-14T18:19:45.690" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7638" PostId="3316" Score="1" Text="can the advice in the question answers be applied to the workplace? can the question be edited to better fit the site guidelines? Are the answers of high enough quality (minus the upvotes because HNQ gets tons of them even if they are crappy) to add to the site? I think yes for all three." CreationDate="2015-09-14T18:30:35.353" UserId="17660" />
  <row Id="7639" PostId="3316" Score="1" Text="Two of the OPs comments on that question _&quot;I don't understand how a middle aged man **who works at one of the biggest corporations in the world** does not realise what he's doing is inappropriate?&quot;_  and _&quot;He provides mentoring sevice to both students who are seeking employment, interns and full time workers. **He's not a mentor who works for the university**&quot;_ Push me towards thinking this IS on topic." CreationDate="2015-09-14T18:31:17.713" UserId="14134" />
  <row Id="7640" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="@LindaJeanne the question is fine, just remove the &quot;I am a student&quot; part. Furthermore, the OP already got the advice she wanted." CreationDate="2015-09-14T18:32:55.797" UserId="17660" />
  <row Id="7641" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="@Mindwin -- yeah, I cross posted with you :). As I was writing that, the comments so far seemed to be claiming it was straight-up off-topic, rather than needing a tweak or two to keep it on topic." CreationDate="2015-09-14T18:34:43.110" UserId="14134" />
  <row Id="7642" PostId="3316" Score="3" Text="The main thing is that the answer may vary greatly if she is finding this person through her career services or an internal company resource. Talking to HR, for example, is only a good suggestion if she works at that company - if she's a student the best answer really would be talk with her career services team that connected them together." CreationDate="2015-09-14T18:37:47.977" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7643" PostId="3316" Score="1" Text="@enderland: she said she found out about him through a friend, so this doesn't seem to be university-mediated." CreationDate="2015-09-14T18:46:02.167" UserId="14134" />
  <row Id="7644" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="Certainly the general question of what makes a good (workplace or job-hunt or career) mentor and how to work well with one seems on-topic. The particular question of whether this guy was overstepping boundaries is on the fractal edge of the topic; that seems more a general social behavior/communications problem than anything specific to workplace. (Yes there's an asymmetric power relationship; otoh she can walk away more easily than the workplace or academic equivalents.)" CreationDate="2015-09-14T20:47:52.400" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="7645" PostId="3316" Score="1" Text="_Lolita_ style stories are good for hot questions but I would prefer this site to focus on topics involving adult professionals" CreationDate="2015-09-14T20:51:13.673" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7646" PostId="3316" Score="3" Text="@LindaJeanne - just because one of the two principals in the tale happens to work for &quot;one of the biggest corporations in the world&quot; doesn't make it on-topic. If that were the criteria, then questions about football would be on-topic (since the NFL is a $12 billion corporation). The question is currently more about academia, but perhaps could be edited into shape to become on-topic." CreationDate="2015-09-14T22:07:12.780" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7647" PostId="3316" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Right. But the impression I got (perhaps incorrectly) from the post and all the OPs comments is that while the OP is a student, the mentoring itself was taking place in a corporate environment. It could be that I misinterpreted, of course." CreationDate="2015-09-15T01:21:19.973" UserId="14134" />
  <row Id="7648" PostId="3317" Score="2" Text="The point about reshaping the question leads me to repeat [the question I asked in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/24088281#24088281) yesterday for further discussion: can we edit a question so much that it is no longer relevant to the OP? In this case, it would mean, &quot;OP being a student makes it off-topic, but the core problem  is still useful to *us*, so let's just hijack the question and edit out the student part&quot;. I am not sure this sounds right. (This comment is not directly in response to your answer per se, but I didn't know where else to put it up.)" CreationDate="2015-09-15T04:34:49.177" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7650" PostId="3317" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I think you should post that as its own question on meta since it's a distinct topic but should probably be explored. (My personal view is that such questions should be closed and the valid question reposted, by another user if necessary.)" CreationDate="2015-09-15T09:16:51.870" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7651" PostId="3317" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal Yes, I thought of it and realized that it is a completely different question, although this one led  to it. I will post it once I go back to a laptop. :)" CreationDate="2015-09-15T10:22:12.023" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="7652" PostId="3317" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Yes, it _is_ a good question :)  I'll reserve my answer for when you get a chance to post it properly :)" CreationDate="2015-09-15T10:31:39.567" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7654" PostId="3317" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2168/16 for context.  It was a discussion here 2 years ago but I think it still holds true" CreationDate="2015-09-15T14:36:12.490" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7655" PostId="3321" Score="1" Text="related: [Aggressive Edits](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2153/aggressive-edits)" CreationDate="2015-09-15T20:32:01.127" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7668" PostId="3321" Score="0" Text="[This question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/54595/1) seems like a related example: the OP asked 4 different questions and his entire post is basically a rant against bad management but the core question in his title is both useful and on-topic." CreationDate="2015-09-17T15:35:10.083" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7669" PostId="3321" Score="0" Text="Do you have some idea of how you would edit it? I see two different options: 1. concentrate on the title and answer if this is harassing or not (+why). 2. give advice how to make the relationship more professional. The first one would keep most of the answers intact, but I think the second one would be more useful." CreationDate="2015-09-18T10:44:27.073" UserId="35882" />
  <row Id="7685" PostId="3322" Score="1" Text="The current site mechanics support this: Low(er) level user can only *suggest* edits and one of the rejection reasons is *conflicts with the author's intent*. In other words: the contents moving too far from the author's intent is not supposed to happen." CreationDate="2015-09-25T14:48:30.867" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="7692" PostId="3322" Score="0" Text="@JanDoggen Yes, exactly! :)" CreationDate="2015-09-28T11:54:13.467" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7656" PostId="3323" Score="0" Text="I'm not suggesting that we need to replace one of the custom reasons because the volume of questions that would be strictly off-topic for this specific reason doesn't seem to come close to the number closed for the three current reasons. Perhaps I should have generalised the question to &quot;What reason do I give if none of the suggested ones work?&quot; so I guess I was basically asking if the Custom Close reason can be used liberally or should be avoided." CreationDate="2015-09-16T07:57:51.813" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7663" PostId="3323" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal oh, ok.  Yes, if you're voting to close and none of the provided reasons apply, use a custom reason (which leaves a comment with that text as well).  Thanks for helping to moderate the site!" CreationDate="2015-09-16T14:14:18.197" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7657" PostId="3325" Score="4" Text="What makes you think it's a troll? OP seems to have seriously misguided notions on suitable workplace behaviour but we've had our share of those." CreationDate="2015-09-16T11:49:40.590" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7658" PostId="3325" Score="1" Text="It's basically this question, right? Except with more &quot;I'm awesome! Why wont' my manager bow down and respect me?&quot; http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/18119/2322" CreationDate="2015-09-16T11:49:48.603" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7659" PostId="3325" Score="0" Text="You're not alone, Joe. You'll notice my opening statement in my answer said I wasn't going to answer. If it's trolling, I fed the troll :)" CreationDate="2015-09-16T12:11:11.907" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7660" PostId="3325" Score="0" Text="@enderland - yup, very similar." CreationDate="2015-09-16T12:38:33.377" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7661" PostId="3325" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - I guess it's because in my 45 years of work I never personally encountered a software engineer with quite this high a level of &quot;entitlement&quot;. Maybe I've lived a sheltered life..." CreationDate="2015-09-16T12:40:25.100" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7662" PostId="3325" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere I have _definitely_ encountered them in my 20 years in this industry :)  They're the ones that you quietly move on because they don't have the capacity to think beyond their own little wants and needs rather than the bigger picture." CreationDate="2015-09-16T12:54:03.930" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7664" PostId="3325" Score="4" Text="I've met people who think this way, and I'm very new (8j) to the working world... It just reads like he put what he wanted to do in the question as if he actually did it. Harmless all-be-it childish fantasizing." CreationDate="2015-09-16T15:02:22.897" UserId="32778" />
  <row Id="7666" PostId="3326" Score="2" Text="That seems like a more comprehensive close reason and would fit these questions well. That suggestion really needs more love as it's more concise and clear than the currently highest voted one." CreationDate="2015-09-16T15:25:46.380" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7687" PostId="3331" Score="0" Text="The problem with putting unprofessional behavior into professionalism is that many questions ask how can I professionally cancel after accepting a job offer. In those cases they are asking how can I quit without people hating me." CreationDate="2015-09-27T18:57:13.163" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="7688" PostId="3331" Score="0" Text="@mhoran_psprep I don't understand your comment.  Are you saying that there are some things that are never professional and they should go into an &quot;unprofessional&quot; tag?  But the asker (and anybody else coming here for answers) *thinks* it's professional and he just needs to know how to do it, so why would he look in, or label, his question &quot;unprofessional&quot;?  Perhaps I'm missing your point?" CreationDate="2015-09-27T19:22:37.923" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7689" PostId="3331" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio As I see it, unprofessional behaviour is usually the OP observing it in others or being treated unprofessionally, whether by colleagues, management or job candidates. Professionalism is the OP asking how to behave in certain scenarios to avoid ending up as the subject of someone else's unprofessional behaviour question. I wouldn't merge any of the tags mentioned in this thread, but questions tagged with both professional tags should probably be cleaned up to only have one." CreationDate="2015-09-28T06:50:56.817" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7717" PostId="3331" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal whether the question were asked by the person doing (or considering) the behavior or a critical observer, wouldn't you want the question to have the same tag for findability?  If I'm trying to use tags to find relevant questions, shouldn't I find that question no matter who asked it?" CreationDate="2015-09-29T02:46:50.700" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7720" PostId="3331" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio No, since the answers to questions of one type won't apply to someone with a question of the other type: I'm either trying to find tips on how to behave professionally in a certain situation, or I'm trying to find a way to stop/discuss/mitigate/accept a colleague's unprofessional behaviour. The strategies or recommendations for each are wildly different. You could argue that dealing with other's unprofessional behaviour is part of being professional yourself but such answers wouldn't be very useful." CreationDate="2015-09-29T10:58:38.753" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7727" PostId="3331" Score="2" Text="I agree with monica, Unprofessional-behavior is the flip side of the professionalism coin.  If professionalism is not an appropriate tag then unprofessional behavior is not either." CreationDate="2015-09-29T20:06:57.590" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8278" PostId="3331" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I changed my mind and created [a separate thread](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3477/merge-tags-professionalism-and-unprofessional-behavior) to discuss merging the two." CreationDate="2016-01-28T09:55:10.163" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7706" PostId="3332" Score="0" Text="Agreed. Unprofessional behavior could be an employee not showering enough, and smelling bad at work. Professionalism could be oriented towards questions where TC is unsure if he/she is behaving appropriately in a scenario where he/she has little experience. Harassment (bullying, enough said), sexual harassment (degrading attractive colleagues, questionable hiring practises, butt-slaps, etc)." CreationDate="2015-09-28T15:09:35.350" UserId="19259" />
  <row Id="7719" PostId="3333" Score="3" Text="As worded the question itself is actually quite lucid and detailed. I wish I could answer to provide my POV which is, &quot;Your concerns are negated not just by legal obligations to the company but also your desire to not have been a part of the initial interview. By not being a part of the process you sent the message that your religious beliefs outweigh the goals of the company. If your visa hinges on this job, why play games with this aspect of it? Respect for your religious beliefs are at odds with the company's goals. How to solve that? Maybe find a new job.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-09-29T05:17:34.130" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="7724" PostId="3333" Score="0" Text="I modified my answer to the question, so unsure if this still applies. Happy enough to remodify if there's any suggestions." CreationDate="2015-09-29T14:52:54.833" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="7725" PostId="3333" Score="4" Text="I proposed an edit to the question (title included), trying my best to remove all the ranting." CreationDate="2015-09-29T17:38:21.077" UserId="34501" />
  <row Id="7728" PostId="3333" Score="1" Text="A good edit @Trickylastname, upvoted. I did add my own edit as &quot;females&quot; is generally not a great way to refer to women." CreationDate="2015-09-29T20:17:01.980" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7729" PostId="3333" Score="1" Text="Thanks @Lilienthal. English is my second language, and even though I'm really fluent I'm not aware of every little detail." CreationDate="2015-09-29T20:22:34.603" UserId="34501" />
  <row Id="7735" PostId="3333" Score="4" Text="@Dogbert As I expected, reopening this was not so much a teaching moment for the OP as it was a teaching moment for some of the userbase that some people just have an unshakeable and overly narrow view of the world that you're just not going to change." CreationDate="2015-09-30T13:07:13.450" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7737" PostId="3333" Score="3" Text="@Lilienthal so sad this happened, but with such extreme opinions I had very little hope of improvement. One could say such change of mind would be a _miracle_." CreationDate="2015-09-30T14:25:27.187" UserId="34501" />
  <row Id="7738" PostId="3333" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal You are correct. I had hoped that with the carefully written responses other people had provided, this could either be a constructive question, or TC would have considered a more liberal approach to the topic. Instead, he sets equality back a couple centuries in his office." CreationDate="2015-09-30T14:38:42.627" UserId="19259" />
  <row Id="7748" PostId="3333" Score="2" Text="The biggest problem I have is that the question was deleted to &quot;prevent abuse of the OP&quot;. This is a very weird reason, considering that the OP can delete his question whenever he wants anyway and the people who are the problem are the abusers, not the victim." CreationDate="2015-10-01T07:01:43.797" UserId="41896" />
  <row Id="7749" PostId="3333" Score="1" Text="@LarsFriedrich once a question has multiple answers or any upvoted answer, the OP can't delete it." CreationDate="2015-10-01T13:13:18.870" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7754" PostId="3333" Score="3" Text="How far can we go to define a question as potentially offensive. If the OP was launching a tirade because one of his fellow workers openly eats ham sandwiches while the very sight of pork violates his sensibilities, would that be offensive? Or a Hindu being upset with someone chewing beef jerky? Or a Christian ranting about a transgender?" CreationDate="2015-10-02T01:05:10.710" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="7761" PostId="3333" Score="1" Text="I suspect any of those would draw votes to close as likely to draw more opinion than anything else." CreationDate="2015-10-03T02:50:48.180" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="7693" PostId="3334" Score="1" Text="This seems like the best way to handle these questions. At the risk of playing devil's advocate though, I wonder if we should have handled that question differently if the OP was located in the UAE or another country where (some version of) sharia law applies." CreationDate="2015-09-28T11:58:09.300" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7694" PostId="3334" Score="6" Text="@Lilienthal I doubt the question would have been asked in those places, depending on what the law actually states.  However the OP was trying to break a law and even quoted the US legislation he was hoping to use to do so." CreationDate="2015-09-28T12:02:05.420" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7695" PostId="3334" Score="1" Text="Good point. I suppose there actually isn't much value in discussing those hypotheticals and it's better to assume that the current system of votes and flags will continue to work, just as it did in this case. Mods like yourself are there to catch anything that slips through the cracks after all." CreationDate="2015-09-28T12:09:52.157" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7722" PostId="3334" Score="2" Text="I totally agree, the handshake one was very different." CreationDate="2015-09-29T12:55:51.677" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="7726" PostId="3334" Score="2" Text="*The best way to handle these is to simply downvote them* - I completely disagree.  This is one the reasons we have moderators to jump in and send people to their corners when they are behaving badly.  This is a time to jump in, Lock a question, purge any comments and answers that are not incredibly appropriate and on topic," CreationDate="2015-09-29T19:12:44.217" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7730" PostId="3334" Score="9" Text="@Chad I'm saying what _non-moderator_ members should do.  They shouldn't be _making_ comments and answers that are not incredibly appropriate and on topic.  If a member feels they are incapable of being professional and polite, then simply downvote, vote to close if you feel it warrants it and you have the rep, and move on." CreationDate="2015-09-29T20:53:26.297" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="15592" PostId="3334" Score="0" Text="Sweeping differing, controversial or questionable, even dangerous or criminal views under the rug by downvoting and deleting will not make them go away from the fabric of society.&#xA;In fact,one needs to logically argue and educate if one is convinced of having a morally or factually more sound understanding.&#xA;During this discourse ones' opposite might change their mind (provided they are willing to) if they see merit in the presented logic or indeed might change ones own opinion if oneself is open for objective debate and the pursuit of truth rather than ego." CreationDate="2018-06-09T20:51:45.973" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="15596" PostId="3334" Score="0" Text="@DigitalBlade969 Downvoting and deleting is not sweeping things under the rug.  You seem to be missing the point of Stack Exchange: it is a Q&amp;A site, not a discussion forum.  Questions are asked, answers are given.  If answers are considered useful, they are upvoted.  Otherwise, they are downvoted.  Those kinds of discussions are important, but places like Reddit and Quora are more appropriate for them by virtue of the format here." CreationDate="2018-06-09T22:25:13.007" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="15597" PostId="3334" Score="0" Text="@JaneS well,that's exactly the problem,isn't it.&#xA;Disregarding my personal opinion/views and instinctive reactions on the question at hand &quot;how to prevent a female being hired&quot;, someone might answer with appropriate steps to achieve exactly what was asked.&#xA;Wouldn't that be the definition of a useful answer (notwithstanding its potentially illegal or unethical implications in certain parts of the world?) therefore warrant a plethora of upvotes?&#xA;See by kneejerk downvoting/deleting biased by our western views, the community resorted to censorship,not the Q&amp;A &quot;game&quot;." CreationDate="2018-06-09T22:55:12.137" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="7696" PostId="3335" Score="1" Text="I've searched the metas on this before but the few &quot;official&quot; comments on down-votes are hard to track down. As I remember, the official party line is that all votes are to be used at each user's discretion. The SE framework attempts to guide users to use them to identify whether posts are useful and show effort by explaining that in the on-hover text of the vote arrows but in the end the choice to vote is up to the user alone. The only known exception is serial downvoting." CreationDate="2015-09-28T13:10:48.060" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7697" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="This answer over on Physics' meta is also worth reading: [We seem to be over-eager to downvote](http://meta.physics.stackexchange.com/a/6767/56499)" CreationDate="2015-09-28T13:11:48.027" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7698" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I appreciate the input, but I have a problem with the site's content saying what down-votes should be for, and the community &quot;understanding&quot; ignoring it. How would a new user know anything about a community's unwritten rules, when there are written rules displayed on the page? (Having said this, I am guilty of down-voting in haste based on ideas. I try not to, and I try to clean up my votes, but after the timeout, I have to wait for an edit that may never come.)" CreationDate="2015-09-28T13:15:08.547" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="7699" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal If you move the cursor onto the downvote button, you'll see the explanation of downvote: does not show any research effort, it is unclear or not useful." CreationDate="2015-09-28T13:26:29.273" UserId="1193" />
  <row Id="7700" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="Interesting point: The current tooltip for the up/down votes for answers simply says &quot;This answer is [not] useful.&quot; For questions, in addition to the usefulness clause, the idea of the quality of the question is included (research effort). I suppose this leaves the door wide open for opinions to sway the votes. So is the &quot;down-vote means poor writing quality&quot; mentality what's really the unwritten rule, now? Personally, I could get behind the idea that a vote indicates my like for the question/answer, whatever my reasons. It is more intuitive that way, and could save a little bandwidth :)" CreationDate="2015-09-28T14:00:30.607" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="7701" PostId="3335" Score="5" Text="It is &quot;not useful&quot; to ask &quot;How can I do a thing that nobody should do and that is not legal where I live?&quot; Therefore anyone who wants to downvote that question is acting in accordance with the tooltip. That said, SE wide, the tooltip is a suggestion to new users about times they might wish to downvote: it is not an explanation of **all** downvotes or a restrictive explanation of when downvoting is permitted. Those with the dv privilege can use it as and when they wish." CreationDate="2015-09-28T14:49:35.507" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="7707" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="@KateGregory I'm with you on this. It would be nice to be able to down-vote based on a judgement of the value of the question/answer without feeling like I was breaking some rule or protocol, but only if that is the mutually understood community standard. (I also think being able to down-vote comments would lead to less &quot;chat&quot; :)" CreationDate="2015-09-28T15:16:45.727" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="7713" PostId="3335" Score="0" Text="@scaaahu Indeed, that's what I was referring to about the SE framework recommending that downvotes be used to indicate whether a post is useful or not. However, as Kate rightly mentioned each user is allowed to (and told to) vote at his own discretion. [SO had an interesting discussion on this](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252677/when-is-it-justifiable-to-downvote-a-question) but that site has a rather unique visitor profile that requires much more effort to separate the wheat from the chaff." CreationDate="2015-09-28T18:22:18.357" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7714" PostId="3335" Score="3" Text="By the way @KentAnderson I think this is a valid point to raise here but you may also want to create a separate meta discussion on the purpose of up/down votes on Workplace. It's been brought up as a problem on chat several times before but I don't think it's been discussed on meta." CreationDate="2015-09-28T18:26:50.880" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7723" PostId="3335" Score="2" Text="wouldn't the whole system become useless if you tampered with peoples down/up vote ability. If a lot of people downvote a question because they find it offensive, that in itself is useful for the OP to know, I would think." CreationDate="2015-09-29T12:59:38.210" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="7708" PostId="3336" Score="6" Text="This is pretty similar to my thoughts, too. I posted a longer answer here that contains my perspective too - but &quot;oh well&quot; seems to be the best tl;dr of everything I wrote.." CreationDate="2015-09-28T17:26:48.833" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8143" PostId="3336" Score="0" Text="What if the question said &quot;How to prevent black people from being hired&quot; and assume that the person's religion supported this?  Same thing?" CreationDate="2015-12-14T22:08:52.183" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="8144" PostId="3336" Score="1" Text="@blankip - Good point. Either everyone is allowed to express their opinions, or not - you either censor, or you don't. If you choose to censor, then you have to decide who gets to do the censoring, and what criteria they are allowed to used. As with the real question, I probably wouldn't have flagged the question as offensive and asked moderators to censor it, but instead would have relied on votes and answers to provide an education for the question writer. If I were the benevolent dictator of the world, things would be wonderful for everyone (at least in my eyes)." CreationDate="2015-12-14T22:46:01.447" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7715" PostId="3337" Score="14" Text="Well said! Even if we cannot seek to understand why they have their viewpoint we could at least seek to educate folks on how the real-world workplace exists in the target part of the world. That would help others, where being intolerant and nuking the question won't help anyone." CreationDate="2015-09-28T19:06:03.007" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7731" PostId="3337" Score="4" Text="I have to disagree with your opinion because your opening statement is wrong in my eyes. I would argue the question discussed here is _not_ in fact legitimate to anyone in their right mind regardless of their personal beliefs. The OP's issue is that they are living among a society whose fundamental ideas they don't share, yet leaving is no option for them. I believe that regardless of what your personal opinions on women's rights or any other social matters are, you will thus find no meaningful answer to a question like this." CreationDate="2015-09-29T23:31:05.653" UserId="42475" />
  <row Id="7732" PostId="3337" Score="10" Text="@zinfandel: I have to disagree with your disagreement.  There is most definitely a meaningful and useful answer; &quot;you can't do that&quot;.  Adding details about where to focus their energies in order to make their workplace more pleasant and acceptable is also useful.  Also identifying whose problem it is (his) and not hers or his employers is useful." CreationDate="2015-09-30T03:48:27.540" UserId="271" />
  <row Id="7733" PostId="3337" Score="1" Text="@zinfandel: Actually, I think your comment would make a good answer - essentially &quot;this will not work in the society you live in&quot;. Sometimes, the right answer is simply &quot;this is not possible (and here's why)&quot;." CreationDate="2015-09-30T08:51:00.497" UserId="57" />
  <row Id="7742" PostId="3337" Score="5" Text="No. No. And No. If someone said, &quot;My religion prohibits me from working with people with dark skin. How can I tell my manager?&quot; Would you encourage people to act the same way? Why are women any less of a minority?" CreationDate="2015-09-30T17:50:36.403" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7744" PostId="3337" Score="2" Text="@JimG. but we're not encouraging anyone here are we? with the extremely negative reception OP had, I think he understand that this isn't condoned in the US. To me, it's &quot;reason X&quot; (let's forget WHAT reason X is for a second) &quot;stops me from working with employee Y&quot; (again let's forget what makes Y special) &quot;how do I work around this&quot;. If it was &quot;Y is an ex-coworker and used to harass me&quot;, it would be appropriate. Just like on Stack Overflow when people ask how to reverse engineer or code virus, let's not attribute any intent and look at the question. OP's navigating a workplace problem, period." CreationDate="2015-09-30T18:45:45.503" UserId="42103" />
  <row Id="7747" PostId="3337" Score="2" Text="@JimG agreed. If the OP were a member of the Aryan Nation and was trying to convince the boss not to hire people of different races, I doubt anyone would label it &quot;simply a workplace problem.&quot; Clearly a double standard." CreationDate="2015-10-01T02:46:34.000" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="7750" PostId="3337" Score="1" Text="@mcknz I don't know for everyone involved here, but I would react the same way for someone with THAT misguided view. It may be there is some double standard, but I would react the same way no matter the reason for the &quot;cannot work with employee Y&quot;" CreationDate="2015-10-01T13:57:30.217" UserId="42103" />
  <row Id="7751" PostId="3337" Score="7" Text="People come from all sorts of backgrounds different than &quot;Western&quot; views. For example, government [forced labor](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_production_in_Uzbekistan#Forced_labour) is part of life for people in Uzbekistan. Places in the world culturally are very different in some cases. We can't change where people are born and what culture they are born into. Sometimes that causes problems when people have very different cultural backgrounds and they, ah, let's call it clash. Someone has to help people see that difference - sometimes it will fail completely and that's ok.." CreationDate="2015-10-01T14:20:32.043" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7752" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="@Patrice Fair enough -- I suppose there is something to be said for civility here, even if the beliefs/views are offensive to most." CreationDate="2015-10-01T16:57:43.413" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="7762" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="Its interesting that the view of this post seems to suggest that Western values are in fact &quot;correct&quot; while others that disagree are not." CreationDate="2015-10-04T16:20:19.503" UserId="3369" />
  <row Id="7765" PostId="3337" Score="1" Text="@enderland Just to give you guys [some numbers](http://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/358351/stack-exchange-sites-question-voting-stats), Workplace has the highest percentage of questions voted to below zero. (I leave this here as it validates your comments on how people vote.) It also has a high number of deleted questions (presumably for the same reason)." CreationDate="2015-10-06T17:13:57.710" UserId="42533" />
  <row Id="7794" PostId="3337" Score="1" Text="@Andy in the context of employment in a western cuture they are" CreationDate="2015-10-10T14:46:53.027" UserId="19290" />
  <row Id="7795" PostId="3337" Score="2" Text="@Pepone Yet this site is not limited to only Western cultures, is it?" CreationDate="2015-10-11T17:05:45.597" UserId="3369" />
  <row Id="7798" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="@Andy so a question about how to organize a slaving ring or working in a cartel death squad would be fine with you." CreationDate="2015-10-12T20:03:22.240" UserId="19290" />
  <row Id="7799" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="@Pepone I'm not aware of any countries where those activities are actually legal.  Why the strawman?  Usury is considered immoral in Islamic culture, so is Western morals lacking or is Islam wrong?" CreationDate="2015-10-12T23:01:58.423" UserId="3369" />
  <row Id="23690" PostId="3337" Score="0" Text="How is equal rights a &quot;Western&quot; concept? To be honest, the former Soviet and states such as East Germany were actually progressive when it came to women in the workplace. You can fact check this. e.g. the birthrate dropped after East Germany and West Germany were reunited because the better childcare system was adapted to the &quot;Western&quot; system. Also, many Arab and Muslim countries have more women studying in tech because tech is not as much considered a male-only domain. You can also fact-check this. The only problem are the dogmatic religious groups. What is Japan? An &quot;Eastern&quot; country?" CreationDate="2023-07-10T18:05:02.967" UserId="82961" />
  <row Id="7709" PostId="3338" Score="1" Text="I've voted to close with the reason &quot;belongs on meta&quot;. If enough people agree, it'll automatically move the post there (I believe)." CreationDate="2015-09-28T16:55:15.523" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="7710" PostId="3338" Score="2" Text="Be aware that the answer may well be &quot;nowhere on Stack Exchange&quot;." CreationDate="2015-09-28T17:03:09.213" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="7711" PostId="3338" Score="0" Text="Keep it generalized as possible so the principles discussed in the answers can be useful to as many people as possible." CreationDate="2015-09-28T17:18:27.390" UserId="12321" />
  <row Id="7712" PostId="3338" Score="2" Text="[Chat] is a great resource. Are you able to use it? You have enough rep I think from Stack Overflow so you should have access." CreationDate="2015-09-28T17:37:20.557" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7716" PostId="3338" Score="0" Text="Is there a specific room that you think would be a good place for this type of question?" CreationDate="2015-09-28T19:26:49.410" UserId="42446" />
  <row Id="7753" PostId="3338" Score="0" Text="@Damien you could try [The Water Cooler](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler), which is this site's chat, or [The Whiteboard](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/21/the-whiteboard) which is for programmers.SE." CreationDate="2015-10-01T17:18:38.200" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7718" PostId="3340" Score="5" Text="Yes.  The reason I actually deleted the question was to prevent the further abuse to the OP after I put down the final close vote." CreationDate="2015-09-29T03:48:51.197" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7743" PostId="3340" Score="5" Text="THANK YOU FOR THIS. honestly, even if I disagree 10000000% with the OP's point of view, I see his question just like anyone else who would say &quot;there's someone at work I JUST CANNOT WORK WITH, how do I deal with this?&quot; It's definitely not a good point of view, but there IS a workplace issue for this OP. Happy to see mods who agree on that" CreationDate="2015-09-30T18:29:56.643" UserId="42103" />
  <row Id="7745" PostId="3340" Score="3" Text="-1: &quot;Our community seems to be especially ready to go on the attack when somebody mentions religion.&quot; No. Our community is quick to respond when somebody *uses* religion to defend an objectionable belief. Completely different." CreationDate="2015-09-30T22:30:39.400" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7746" PostId="3340" Score="15" Text="@JimG. if that were true, the handshake question wouldn't have drawn the rapid, voluminous, and rude responses it did." CreationDate="2015-09-30T22:35:53.183" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7774" PostId="3340" Score="2" Text="Thank you Monica   - agreed, we need to work on this issue of name-calling other peoples' religions. The place sometimes starts looking like Reddit unfortunately" CreationDate="2015-10-08T02:37:36.930" UserId="761" />
  <row Id="7787" PostId="3340" Score="3" Text="@Adel when you see stuff like that - flag, flag, flag! As moderators we delete a lot of stuff here, but we don't read everything since we can't. The question there had 58 flags and nearly 100 deleted comments on it..." CreationDate="2015-10-09T15:40:48.557" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7740" PostId="3341" Score="2" Text="These reasons are exactly why a back/forth is required for any question like this. hence chat/discussion boards are better, because the core questions there require a lot of &quot;what about X?&quot; types of clarifications." CreationDate="2015-09-30T17:21:46.513" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7741" PostId="3342" Score="2" Text="Thanks to either you or whoever flagged that, too. Questions like this get a TON of, ah, let's call it questionable/objectionable content posted in comments and answers and flagging is so helpful for moderators.  We have yet to have our minds incorporated into the Stack Exchange API yet, though I'm hopeful they develop the human-machine interface soon so we can get direct links of information without logging in ;)" CreationDate="2015-09-30T17:42:19.870" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7767" PostId="3342" Score="0" Text="If the information provided in question and answers is correct, it sounds like that person somehow convinced his manager to perform an act of illegal discrimination against a specific woman. She might be unaware what has been going on. If she did find out, she could rightfully sue the company. But some of the information necessary to prove the connection between her and the question has been deleted. So the deletion of said information could be seen as covering up somebody's illegal activities." CreationDate="2015-10-06T23:29:58.500" UserId="32494" />
  <row Id="7768" PostId="3342" Score="1" Text="I agree that people do have a right to some amount of anonymity online. But at the same time we shouldn't forget about the rights of the victim of this illegal discrimination. I don't have an answer on how to weigh those two sides. But both sides should be kept in mind." CreationDate="2015-10-06T23:33:10.833" UserId="32494" />
  <row Id="7769" PostId="3342" Score="0" Text="Public shaming is not appropriate here. Period. Even it this did eventually catch up with the OP, it would be much too late to help anyone. At best this big of nastiness gets the OP into trouble someday, *if* anyone happens to find the comment -- and comments are not guaranteed to persist. If you really feel a need to be a vigilante, don't do it here; if you don't feel strongly enough to take it to the authorities yourself, let it lie. Slactivism is Not Useful." CreationDate="2015-10-07T02:30:12.480" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="7784" PostId="3342" Score="3" Text="I don't think it's necessarily self-correcting: TC admitted to having a hand in preventing a lady from being hired, illegally (he claims he sat down with his boss and convinced him a lady being brought on board would be &quot;too much hassle, and hired a man of equal or better skill&quot;, before his self-answer was deleted)." CreationDate="2015-10-09T12:37:16.773" UserId="19259" />
  <row Id="7786" PostId="3342" Score="1" Text="As I said: if you want to do something punitive, this is the wrong place" CreationDate="2015-10-09T12:41:05.027" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="7804" PostId="3342" Score="1" Text="@dogbert, on the other hand, maybe the manger went along with it because he had already ruled the person out  as not being the best person for the job. Not all women get offers from interviews just like not all men do. We have no idea how good this woman was, possibly she would not have been hired in any event." CreationDate="2015-10-13T21:50:59.867" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="7758" PostId="3345" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I kind of thought this would be the answer, but I wanted to know what the &quot;official&quot; stance was. And I think that comic is now going to be linked in my profile..." CreationDate="2015-10-02T15:17:43.157" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7759" PostId="3345" Score="2" Text="@DavidK this might be helpful too, though it's not &quot;official&quot; it seems pretty official to me - http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/57516/193412" CreationDate="2015-10-02T15:20:40.030" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7760" PostId="3345" Score="6" Text="Yeah, I've seen accounts that have URLs as names elsewhere on the network, and what I've gathered from Meta.SE is that people can name their accounts anything they want that's not profane or fraudulent, and (within those bounds) their profiles are theirs to do with as they wish.  If their *posts* are good then that's fine; if their posts are spammy they'd be spammy regardless of account name and we'll deal with them as spammers." CreationDate="2015-10-02T16:14:44.747" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7764" PostId="3345" Score="0" Text="I'd agree with this answer - the posts are what matters, and having the affiliation disclosed is better than otherwise as it makes things easier to keep an eye on." CreationDate="2015-10-06T15:33:11.230" UserId="28766" />
  <row Id="7766" PostId="3345" Score="0" Text="@DavidK That comic has been linked from my profile for a long time." CreationDate="2015-10-06T22:32:59.653" UserId="32494" />
  <row Id="7801" PostId="3345" Score="3" Text="I think every user of this site who answers a question is motivated by 1) a desire to help, and 2) a desire to build a reputation for him/herself (pun intended). This applies to individuals, as well as to any other entity. I agree that so long as any user's behavior contributes to the value of the site, they should be welcomed. The site works well, and our current set of mods are great at keeping it that way." CreationDate="2015-10-13T12:52:41.760" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="7772" PostId="3350" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere :)" CreationDate="2015-10-08T01:39:05.863" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7773" PostId="3350" Score="3" Text="Joe, congratulations on this achievement and thanks for helping to make The Workplace great!" CreationDate="2015-10-08T01:49:00.053" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7777" PostId="3350" Score="31" Text="Thank you - that was very nice. What a neat post to wake up and read!" CreationDate="2015-10-08T10:20:42.027" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7778" PostId="3350" Score="2" Text="@joestrazzere I saw your rep at 99,999 and thought &quot;Well, we can't let _that_ go unmarked!&quot; :)" CreationDate="2015-10-08T10:27:06.550" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7788" PostId="3350" Score="1" Text="Congratulations @JoeStrazzere, thanks for both your contributions on the main site, as well as your help in guiding the direction of our site here on meta!" CreationDate="2015-10-10T08:04:46.947" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7790" PostId="3350" Score="6" Text="Does **Jane S** means Jane Strazzere? Uhmm... I just want to know. I am not assuming. :)" CreationDate="2015-10-10T08:08:56.757" UserId="25837" />
  <row Id="7791" PostId="3350" Score="1" Text="@CaryBondoc LOL! No, my &quot;S&quot; is a different surname.  I'm also in the wrong country.  Actually, I'm on the wrong side of the planet :)" CreationDate="2015-10-10T08:13:09.617" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7792" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="Oh, thanks! I'm glad that it's clear to us now. :)" CreationDate="2015-10-10T08:18:18.053" UserId="25837" />
  <row Id="7796" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="I remember when I had more rep than Joe. It lasted all of three days. Congratulations @JoeStrazzere! 100k more! 100k more!" CreationDate="2015-10-12T17:31:45.887" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="7800" PostId="3350" Score="12" Text="Which begs the question, &quot;Where do you find any time to work?&quot;  :)  Seriously, though, congrats, Joe!" CreationDate="2015-10-13T04:11:29.320" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="7825" PostId="3350" Score="2" Text="@WesleyLong (Joe is secretly a conglomerate of HR professionals writing under a pseudonym!)" CreationDate="2015-10-20T23:46:04.490" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="12106" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="Maaaan, Joe, you talk too much. ^_^ Goncrats!" CreationDate="2017-03-24T15:08:32.773" UserId="59722" />
  <row Id="13667" PostId="3350" Score="0" Text="@JaneS Get ready to prep for Joe's 200K! I estimate it to come around in 3-4 months." CreationDate="2017-09-21T05:28:33.913" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="7779" PostId="3351" Score="32" Text="Yeah can we implement some kind of &quot;Joe can't answer for 30 minutes&quot; rule, to give the rest of us mere mortals a chance? :)" CreationDate="2015-10-08T11:08:21.113" UserId="28766" />
  <row Id="7780" PostId="3351" Score="2" Text="@JonStory Feature request? ;)" CreationDate="2015-10-08T12:17:50.723" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7817" PostId="3351" Score="13" Text="The Jon Skeet of TWP. Joe Skeetzere." CreationDate="2015-10-16T14:17:43.013" UserId="18336" />
  <row Id="7826" PostId="3351" Score="9" Text="@Bmo It is odd that we never see Joe Strazzere and Jon Skeet in the same place..." CreationDate="2015-10-21T14:56:46.973" UserId="17616" />
  <row Id="7806" PostId="3354" Score="2" Text="Thank you for your kind comments!" CreationDate="2015-10-14T12:32:59.687" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7802" PostId="3355" Score="0" Text="I also had this concern when writing the question. I thought about it for a while, and I wasn't quite sure how to resolve the issue, but thought it was not as serious a case of too-broadiness. I'm definitely open to suggestions and feedback." CreationDate="2015-10-13T18:18:55.270" UserDisplayName="user8712" />
  <row Id="7803" PostId="3355" Score="0" Text="@Emrakul Well so far there's only 1 close vote (and not for broad or opinion-based), so I think you should be okay." CreationDate="2015-10-13T18:49:15.003" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7815" PostId="3355" Score="0" Text="So it looks like it got closed, which I think is unfortunate.... :(" CreationDate="2015-10-16T13:10:27.373" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7816" PostId="3355" Score="0" Text="@enderland At least it got some good answers and up-votes in the process. Is there a way to edit the question to get it reopened?" CreationDate="2015-10-16T13:15:18.523" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7818" PostId="3355" Score="0" Text="@DavidK any edit or reopen vote puts it into the reopen queue, so that'd be one way?" CreationDate="2015-10-16T14:18:59.283" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7819" PostId="3355" Score="0" Text="It could use a less opinion-y/extreme title.  (&quot;Misses the mark for perfection&quot;? Is that really what's being asked about?)  I ignored the question the first several times I saw it on the front page because of the title, and only read it when it was brought up here on meta.  If you can improve the title (or anything else about it), please do." CreationDate="2015-10-16T15:15:16.570" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12096" PostId="3357" Score="1" Text="I was searching for my answer here and noticed that you now have 100k rep too!" CreationDate="2017-03-23T14:29:12.020" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="15526" PostId="3357" Score="0" Text="@ElysianFields The question is why would you want to do that ~1.5 years later? ..." CreationDate="2018-06-02T13:36:46.867" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="15533" PostId="3357" Score="0" Text="@ΈρικΚωνσταντόπουλος, you chose to comment on his comment more than a year later." CreationDate="2018-06-04T14:40:05.357" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="15534" PostId="3357" Score="0" Text="@HLGEM At least I stumbled on this post, not searched for it. ;)" CreationDate="2018-06-04T14:44:11.690" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="7810" PostId="3358" Score="0" Text="[This answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2120/25739) on a related question is recommended reading. The main problem with this question, I feel, is that people are interpreting the question in different ways. The ethical/professional angle in it seems to be on-topic and is what my answer covered." CreationDate="2015-10-15T07:33:06.567" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7839" PostId="3358" Score="1" Text="Naming a meta-question exactly the same as the main-question it's discussing is confusing to me. Could this be edited to be titled something like &quot;Is … on topic?&quot;" CreationDate="2015-10-24T18:20:09.267" UserId="17677" />
  <row Id="7812" PostId="3361" Score="1" Text="thanks for the confirmation &amp; further info. one thing is unclear though - could you confirm if someone would be notified if their comment was deleted as the result of an offensive flag or similar?" CreationDate="2015-10-15T15:16:02.637" UserId="18793" />
  <row Id="7813" PostId="3361" Score="3" Text="@jammypeach no, that unfortunately doesn't exist (I wish it did... trust me, I wish it did...).  Generally though, if someone is making enough inappropriate comments to cause problems they get a warning message explaining what comments they made that were inappropriate, etc. And in case you are curious, I expect anyone worried/interested enough in posting a meta post like this would not make any of the comments to get themselves in trouble." CreationDate="2015-10-15T15:32:09.383" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7814" PostId="3361" Score="2" Text="Check out [this meta post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2979/2322) and the [Be Nice](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice) policy have perfect guidance on this." CreationDate="2015-10-15T15:32:11.757" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7848" PostId="3362" Score="0" Text="What if we changed the question to &quot;When should I disclose?&quot;  I think that is the type of focus this question needs." CreationDate="2015-10-26T13:47:22.700" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7851" PostId="3362" Score="0" Text="@Chad &quot;when, if ever&quot; would seem to cover that while reserving the OP's intent, yeah.  Goo idea; want to edit?" CreationDate="2015-10-27T02:13:34.753" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7820" PostId="3363" Score="7" Text="Describing the OP's girlfriend as &quot;crazy&quot; isn't very professional." CreationDate="2015-10-19T06:42:45.100" UserId="2472" />
  <row Id="7821" PostId="3363" Score="1" Text="@AndrewGrimm - so what? This is not a professional setting. And even if it were a professional setting, I'm not one to mince words. &quot;I would reconsider my relationship based on her decisions.&quot; Is just a fancy way of questioning her sanity." CreationDate="2015-10-19T11:44:16.203" UserId="2196" />
  <row Id="7823" PostId="3363" Score="4" Text="@Telastyn: Note that even if she has mental issues (which we cannot judge), OP may decide not to break up - that is not a decision you can take for someone else. Also, on a personal note, as someone who knows people with mental health issues, I find the comment &quot;dump my crazy girlfriend&quot; disrespectful." CreationDate="2015-10-20T07:06:32.220" UserId="57" />
  <row Id="7824" PostId="3363" Score="2" Text="@sleske - Thanks for helping my argument - that is _absolutely_ not a decision we can take for this person. &quot;What should I do?&quot; questions have that problem." CreationDate="2015-10-20T11:30:10.737" UserId="2196" />
  <row Id="7835" PostId="3363" Score="2" Text="I'm with @Telastyn on this... I thought the same thing when I read the question. She is a crazy girlfriend, not in that we perceive she has mental health concerns, but in the sense that she is selfish, short-sighted, and makes really bad decisions. It's a perfectly acceptable use of the word &quot;crazy&quot; in modern English." CreationDate="2015-10-22T13:57:18.177" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="7841" PostId="3363" Score="0" Text="I did exactly the opposite (first, I didn't dump anything, second, if I had to choose, I would choose the girl and not the job). But I think, if this question had both of our answers below that, and the community and the OP would decide between them with upvotes and the pipe, it would be a very worthy content, because it would make possible to evaluate the opposite viewpoints and arguments for the same case. I simply can't any reason why should be such a content expelled from the site." CreationDate="2015-10-26T00:54:21.680" UserId="32611" />
  <row Id="7842" PostId="3363" Score="0" Text="Yes, questions about complex workplace situations may have sometimes multiple answers, and sometimes contradictional answers. What is the problem with that? This is not the math SE." CreationDate="2015-10-26T00:56:51.200" UserId="32611" />
  <row Id="7844" PostId="3363" Score="1" Text="@Telastyn You don't decide anything instead of him, You answer what you see, (s)he will decide. If (s)he doesn't calculate into his/her decision that your suggestion couldn't be based on every important details, (s)he is crazy - but it is anyways his/her responsibility, and not yours. The OP asks, you answer, over that it is not your responsibility." CreationDate="2015-10-26T06:16:09.350" UserId="32611" />
  <row Id="7845" PostId="3363" Score="1" Text="@MorningStar - StackExchange as a whole is a Q&amp;A site. While there may be multiple possible answers, there should be one single answer preferred by a majority of experts. Otherwise questions are not a good fit for the site, since it is no longer Q&amp;A, but Q&amp;discussion/debate/etc. A question like this especially _has no correct answer_." CreationDate="2015-10-26T11:17:28.943" UserId="2196" />
  <row Id="7846" PostId="3363" Score="2" Text="We don't have enough information to know who's being unreasonable. (Especially since this is Northern Europe, which does not follow the same employment rules as 'at will' states in the U.S.). Answering the question has to start from the premise that the OP wants to keep both the girlfriend and the job, and answer whether non-disclosure is professional or not (aside from any legal responsibilities/risks, which are clearly out-of-scope.) Evaluating whether keeping the relationship and/or the job is desirable is out-of-scope (and impossible to do well with the limited info we have.)" CreationDate="2015-10-26T11:31:36.907" UserId="14134" />
  <row Id="7847" PostId="3363" Score="2" Text="(continued: In the U.S, a lawsuit against a company that fired you would be -- at best -- futile and unwise, unless the firing were for discriminatory reasons. As such, it would likely come across as vindictive and unprofessional; this seems to be the perspective from which you are answering. In most places in Northern Europe, the legal and cultural expectations are very different: you can't fire someone just because you don't get along with them. Therefore, the girlfriend may well have a strong case from both a legal and a 'reasonableness' perspective, given the context.)." CreationDate="2015-10-26T11:44:28.210" UserId="14134" />
  <row Id="7822" PostId="3365" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the kind words. I agree - this is a great community." CreationDate="2015-10-19T18:50:22.937" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7871" PostId="3366" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Are the Downvoting police too active?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2496/are-the-downvoting-police-too-active)" CreationDate="2015-11-02T17:42:07.310" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11322" PostId="3366" Score="1" Text="A link to an answer's revision history, *hosted on Stack Exchange,* provided as evidence of censorship...oh, the irony...." CreationDate="2017-02-01T09:07:40.617" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="7827" PostId="3367" Score="1" Text="Agreed answers are for answers not opining and ranting and crying.  They also are not for band camp stories.." CreationDate="2015-10-21T19:32:26.007" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7828" PostId="3367" Score="1" Text="You make fair points.  But now if a bully comes along who doesn't agree with you wrote they have the power to remove what you've just posted.  Might makes right, in other words.  As they say &quot;history is written by the victors&quot; and this place is the same.  If a different opinion is removed by someone with more points then that opinion is effectively gone forever.  It's no longer a conversation but some one-sided monologue by those with points.  In fact, check this guy out:  http://michael.richter.name/blogs/awhy-i-no-longer-contribute-to-stackoverflow  He's pretty much saying the same thing." CreationDate="2015-10-21T20:49:56.700" UserId="42690" />
  <row Id="7829" PostId="3367" Score="3" Text="@MichaelBlankenship if you see content that is inappropriately removed, feel free to flag or post on meta. But keep in mind if you flag in situations that _should_ be removed/edited  those flags nearly always will be declined. For example, if someone edits your post here to remove some of the... ah, let's be generous and call it a rant - no moderator will take action and revert edits (cont)" CreationDate="2015-10-21T20:56:46.063" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7830" PostId="3367" Score="9" Text="@MichaelBlankenship I would also suggest being considerably less confrontational in how you choose to do this. When someone comes onto meta ranting and attacking the entire site about how horrible they are, it's generally received poorly. In fact, calling out users specifically (and incorrectly, I might add) and blaming them for making things horrible is far more &quot;bully&quot; like behavior than the edits in the first place. Stack Exchange is _designed_ to work like a wiki. If you want a forum SE is not going to fit your interests well at all." CreationDate="2015-10-21T21:00:44.267" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7831" PostId="3368" Score="1" Text="There's a difference between being a moderator and removing answers which you don't agree with.  You're guilty of the latter, to be honest." CreationDate="2015-10-21T21:07:56.837" UserId="42690" />
  <row Id="7832" PostId="3368" Score="5" Text="@MichaelBlankenship I only remove answers that have been downvoted significantly by the community and flagged.  It's a clean up operation once the community has decided something is not of value, not censorship." CreationDate="2015-10-21T21:09:46.840" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7834" PostId="3368" Score="9" Text="@MichaelBlankenship I'm not really sure how to respond to that, so I'll be blunt. Knock if off. If you have problems with how Stack Exchange works, feel free to stop using it. No one is forcing you to use it. If you have problems with the way The Workplace is moderated, constructively bring up those concerns (or use the &quot;contact us&quot; link at the bottom of the page). I would also encourage you to read the [Be Nice](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice) policy of Stack Exchange. [This meta post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2979/2322) would also be good reading. Thanks." CreationDate="2015-10-22T00:25:32.593" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7837" PostId="3370" Score="0" Text="Ok, thanks. Sounds messy, indeed. So, would it be ok then, or even desired that I roll back to my original answer?" CreationDate="2015-10-24T17:04:43.637" UserId="43044" />
  <row Id="7838" PostId="3370" Score="0" Text="@vic yeah, go for it!" CreationDate="2015-10-24T17:05:42.257" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7840" PostId="3370" Score="4" Text="Yeah, my guess would be a ninja-edit -- if somebody made a change and then made a second edit to manually undo it within the five-minute window, but it wasn't a 100% undo, I could see this happening." CreationDate="2015-10-25T00:56:55.690" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7843" PostId="3371" Score="0" Text="In short: _Only_ the diamond mods can convert a question to cw. It is so since years." CreationDate="2015-10-26T01:00:07.663" UserId="32611" />
  <row Id="7853" PostId="3371" Score="0" Text="Why do you think they should be community wiki?  What would the benefit to the commuity be if it were converted?" CreationDate="2015-10-29T21:41:34.190" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7850" PostId="3372" Score="0" Text="Thanks...  I guess I can leave making it a community wiki.. I was under the misconception that CW is also appropriate to posts with multiple correct answers" CreationDate="2015-10-26T17:47:28.533" UserId="12685" />
  <row Id="7852" PostId="3372" Score="0" Text="@user87166 that happens automatically if there are many, many answers. It's totally ok to have your questions keep giving you reputation - asking a good question is great!  SE's mechanism for that is probably bounties, you can offer reputation for great answers if you want (but this is not required at all)." CreationDate="2015-10-27T16:48:15.107" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7849" PostId="3373" Score="2" Text="Stack Exchange is not a discussion forum, it's a Q/A site. It is important to keep a question here an actual _question_ -- not a request for opinions. The &quot;situation, what to do?&quot; misses the question part. Confusion and &quot;help me please&quot; types of things are good for discussion, but not answers. A &quot;tell me how to do X&quot; type of question? That is fine. It's the open ended questions where no objective/goal/problem are listed that are impossible to meaningfully answer." CreationDate="2015-10-26T14:45:46.480" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11199" PostId="3373" Score="0" Text="@enderland It essentially means that you can't ask &quot;situation X, what to do&quot;, but you can ask, for example, &quot;situation X, how to solve Y while Z?&quot;. The second matches the Q/A as you describe, while the first doesn't. But they are essentially the same questions. I can't disagree your idea about that the Q/A format should be enforced on a Q/A site; but also I can't agree with hairsplitting. I think, a little bit of rigor is acceptable; particularly considering the worth of the answers (it is about to solve workplace problems), but it should be at least more clearly communicated for the newbies." CreationDate="2017-01-15T13:20:54.233" UserId="32611" />
  <row Id="8156" PostId="3374" Score="1" Text="Thanks, I'm just throwing my efforts at other websites now rather than here.  For example, I'm now actively creating opensource code on github." CreationDate="2015-12-15T18:27:40.767" UserId="42690" />
  <row Id="8157" PostId="3374" Score="0" Text="Good for you, glad to see you're moving forwards in any case, take it easy" CreationDate="2015-12-15T20:27:04.000" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="7859" PostId="3375" Score="2" Text="I think any answer which doesn't explain &quot;why?&quot; falls short.  This doesn't have to mean a long explanation, but it _does_ mean that it's not just &quot;do X&quot; - maybe &quot;do X. It's the best idea because of A, B, and C&quot;." CreationDate="2015-11-01T23:43:37.623" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7860" PostId="3375" Score="1" Text="@enderland I agree.  But some of these answers have a number of upvotes, so it seems the community may think that they are okay." CreationDate="2015-11-01T23:47:04.880" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7862" PostId="3375" Score="1" Text="I might be guilty of this, but wouldn't a bad short answer be downvoted? Some of the longer answers just seem to be a little overdone. No offence intended." CreationDate="2015-11-02T07:38:12.247" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="7863" PostId="3375" Score="5" Text="Some of my most &quot;backed up&quot; answers have been some of my most downvoted ones. Generally I get the impression that people upvote what they want to hear and tend to downvote any bitter truths no matter how well-sourced they are." CreationDate="2015-11-02T09:34:51.637" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7864" PostId="3375" Score="5" Text="Additionally, **what would it mean to &quot;adhere more strictly&quot; to the policy**? Answers being outright deleted by the mods? The real issue seems to be an **unwillingness to downvote** poor, incomplete or dangerous answers, regardless of their source. Just because I link to some archaic advice book that says that Objectives are a good thing on a resume doesn't mean such a suggestion shouldn't be downvoted into oblivion." CreationDate="2015-11-02T09:37:46.707" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7865" PostId="3375" Score="2" Text="And another question: do these high-rep users show up in the low quality queue if they give short answers or does their rep prevent that? If it's the latter, how did you identify it as a trend? If anything I find that answers can be overly verbose on this site. I'm certainly guilty of it myself." CreationDate="2015-11-02T09:39:15.323" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7875" PostId="3375" Score="4" Text="@Lilienthal They certainly do show up in the queue. I've seen some of these one-liners pass through and had the urge to simply comment &quot;You should know better.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-11-02T19:17:35.717" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7876" PostId="3375" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi I didn't say they were _bad_ short answers, just that they don't tend to really back up _why_ they are saying it." CreationDate="2015-11-02T20:46:34.440" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7877" PostId="3375" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal The mods don't delete answers unless they are heavily downvoted and have been flagged for deletion by the community.  By *adhere more strictly*, I mean does the _community_ feel that answers require more backing up?  If so, then answers that don't should be either downvoted or a comment left for the answerer." CreationDate="2015-11-02T20:48:13.580" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7878" PostId="3375" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal `Some of my most &quot;backed up&quot; answers have been some of my most downvoted ones.`  Interesting.  I have had the opposite experience :)" CreationDate="2015-11-02T20:49:06.217" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7879" PostId="3375" Score="0" Text="@JaneS It's mainly because I tend to source the &quot;unpopular&quot; answers the most in an effort to stave off the downvotes. :)" CreationDate="2015-11-02T20:53:48.983" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7880" PostId="3375" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal I will say that some of the &quot;walls of text&quot; answers are difficult to read.  My preference is a concise answer with sufficient evidence to reinforce your point.  I'm just not that good at doing it ;)" CreationDate="2015-11-02T21:52:28.383" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7882" PostId="3375" Score="0" Text="Search for &quot;Back it up&quot; here on Meta, and you can see that this question has been raised many times. Without a sufficient conclusion, apparently." CreationDate="2015-11-03T18:50:11.013" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7883" PostId="3375" Score="0" Text="&quot;I've noticed lately that there have been a number of answers from mid to high level rep users that have, while answering the question with common sense, been just more or less one liners&quot; - Jane - is your concern more about *short* answers? Because reading through answers, I see very, very few answers (short *or* long) that actually follow the Back It Up Guidelines." CreationDate="2015-11-03T18:59:44.810" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7884" PostId="3375" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Yes, I know about the history on meta :)  I just seem to have encountered more answers in the past month or so that, while they answer the question, don't really give any evidence for it.  As far as long or short answers, I guess I'm focusing on short ones but walls of text can be challenging as well." CreationDate="2015-11-03T20:46:18.743" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7890" PostId="3375" Score="0" Text="@JaneS - &quot;By adhere more strictly, I mean does the community feel that answers require more backing up?&quot; I think the community has spoken, and I think the community doesn't care if answers are backed up or not. (Just my personal opinion after having read many, many answers)." CreationDate="2015-11-04T22:51:03.107" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7891" PostId="3375" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I guess that answers my question, and I would agree with your observation.  We've talked about the &quot;back it up&quot; policy for ages on meta, but realistically the community seems happy with shorter answers or longer answers as long as they make sense." CreationDate="2015-11-04T22:57:33.277" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7861" PostId="3376" Score="2" Text="got to agree with you, I don't see anything wrong with it" CreationDate="2015-11-02T07:33:54.563" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="7881" PostId="3376" Score="2" Text="(shrug) I'd guess because it has more to do with religion than dress-code, but I have no real idea." CreationDate="2015-11-03T18:42:44.893" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7866" PostId="3377" Score="1" Text="I don't want to edit your answer directly, but suggest removing *is also unfortunate, but*. I don't see why it would be unfortunate ;-)" CreationDate="2015-11-02T12:08:23.040" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="7867" PostId="3377" Score="5" Text="@JanDoggen I'm using it as a synonym for &quot;[regrettable](http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unfortunate)&quot; in the sense that it needlessly limited the scope of the question to just a Star of David. The question could be asked for any type of religious item without that impacting the answers too much. Of course it makes sense considering it was migrated from the Judaism site. In the event that the question is declared on-topic and reopened I would suggest that it be generalised." CreationDate="2015-11-02T12:24:43.947" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7869" PostId="3377" Score="2" Text="I think that a different religious symbol in a different region would be a different question. For instance, wearing a cross in the South would almost certainly help your career." CreationDate="2015-11-02T16:48:01.740" UserId="1437" />
  <row Id="7870" PostId="3377" Score="0" Text="Is this question any different in that regard than http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/56983/interviews-during-no-shave-november-unkempt-beard -- which is marked as a *dupe*, not off-topic, and is on its way to being reopened?" CreationDate="2015-11-02T17:14:14.553" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7873" PostId="3377" Score="2" Text="@AmyBlankenship Perhaps, but that illustrates part of my point: answers are going to be so situation-specific that they are no longer useful to others (unless we maintain a question catalog of Religion X in Region Y) or if we generalise the question to just religious symbols it becomes too broad." CreationDate="2015-11-02T18:40:24.183" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7874" PostId="3377" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I [commented](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/56983/interviews-during-no-shave-november-unkempt-beard#comment147405_56983) on the Movember question that it's either a duplicate or off-topic. The original question has a clearly defined scope and concerns a subject that is not nearly as divisive and tricky as religion. It's a simple question with a simple answer: &quot;an unkempt beard is unprofessional, in other cases they're fine in most companies though exceptions exist&quot;. I've yet to see simple answers to *any* question about religion." CreationDate="2015-11-02T18:47:36.873" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7886" PostId="3377" Score="2" Text="@AmyBlankenship - actually, that's not really a different question. Changing the variables to &quot;wearing a cross&quot; and &quot;in the south&quot; just changes the context - which is the whole point. Without knowing the full context of all the variables, the question &quot;Could Wearing My [religious symbol] Be Bad for Career? &quot; is solely contextual. Even in &quot;the south&quot;, wearing a cross at *some* companies might not go over well." CreationDate="2015-11-04T12:01:20.417" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7943" PostId="3377" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere: and at others it may be beneficial.  Which again is contextual." CreationDate="2015-11-11T06:35:13.747" UserId="271" />
  <row Id="7944" PostId="3377" Score="2" Text="-1: Voting to reopen. The rationale for closing is pedantic at best. Also the concept of you making this a generic “religious symbol” question is ridiculous. While not as minority as it once was, Judaism is still not a majority religion in the world. Christian symbols so surround us in the western world we tend to forget they are such. A non-majorty religion like Judaism carries its own unique weight/burdens to many even in places where Jews are in more number like NYC. Asinine logic to close that question. My overall answer, “If you have to ask if it’s an issue, it is an issue. Period.”" CreationDate="2015-11-11T15:53:42.333" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="7945" PostId="3377" Score="2" Text="Sorry to comment again, but this boils my blood: **“The fact that the OP limited the question to a Star of David rather than a generic religious symbol is also unfortunate, but not the real issue.”** Yes it **is the real issue**! The most well accepted religion in this world—for better or worse—is Christianity; not Judaism at all. Being Jewish still carries a stigma and weight in many environments. This whole “splitting hairs” mentality is tone deaf to what the question is about." CreationDate="2015-11-11T16:03:51.617" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="7946" PostId="3377" Score="2" Text="@JakeGould I think you have entirely missed my point, which was that *if* the question were valid, it should still be modified to include all religions as the specific religion is not important to the question. The real issue is that the question isn't on-topic or sufficiently defined to be useful." CreationDate="2015-11-11T17:20:00.617" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7952" PostId="3377" Score="4" Text="@Lilienthal I don't think a general &quot;can I wear my religious symbol&quot; question would be valuable, actually.  The details matter: where in the world you are, who your colleagues and clients are, whether the religion is dominant, respected minority, or disliked minority, what your role is... those things make a question answerable." CreationDate="2015-11-12T02:47:05.167" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7957" PostId="3377" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio I agree. My stance is that both questions are too broad and unlikely too attract useful answers as they would have to cover too many possible situations. I can imagine partially useful answers which include general coping strategies and the like but nothing that truly answers an unanswerable problem." CreationDate="2015-11-12T08:31:50.403" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7868" PostId="3378" Score="3" Text="Note that any question receiving 3 answers scored 0 or below from users with no site reputation automatically protects the question (which is what happened here)." CreationDate="2015-11-02T14:31:16.077" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7885" PostId="3381" Score="3" Text="Note that basic legal questions that require no *interpretation* of the law but rather a simple summary or referral to a specific law *are* on-topic here. Some examples: [explaining exempt versus non-exempt](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/52303/25739) (any HR person in the US should know this), [contracts overriding a legal minimum](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/10215/), [the definition of &quot;hostile workplace&quot;](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/54595/25739), applicability of FMLA, whether you can fire a pregnant employee, etc." CreationDate="2015-11-04T08:05:12.430" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7896" PostId="3381" Score="1" Text="There is also a specific close reason for &quot;questions requiring a lawyer are off topic&quot; too." CreationDate="2015-11-05T13:30:05.170" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7897" PostId="3381" Score="0" Text="@enderland My suggestion was more to prompt people to write more from a workplace than legal perspective initially. Happy to concede that I have less experience in this community and that this may not work though!" CreationDate="2015-11-05T22:58:11.177" UserId="2251" />
  <row Id="7887" PostId="3382" Score="6" Text="The community can also vote to delete if they think that's called for." CreationDate="2015-11-04T18:23:38.433" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7888" PostId="3382" Score="0" Text="`But it would be nice if the community downvoted answers for being long on what to do and short on why to do it.`  This is the crux of my question :)" CreationDate="2015-11-04T20:58:39.640" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7889" PostId="3382" Score="1" Text="&quot;it would be nice if the community downvoted answers for being long on what to do and short on why to do it&quot; - The community has always had the ability to do this. If they aren't doing so, the implication seems to be  that either they don't understand that &quot;back it up&quot; is required, or that they don't care. I suspect it's going to be hard to change the culture here, since few answers currently provide much &quot;back it up&quot;. I don't see much in the short answers, but I don't see much in the longer answers, either." CreationDate="2015-11-04T22:41:29.393" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7893" PostId="3383" Score="0" Text="@NormalHuman - hmm. I can't delete http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/56847/could-wearing-my-star-of-david-be-bad-for-career#comment147155_56847 and the question is On Hold." CreationDate="2015-11-04T23:03:34.047" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7895" PostId="3384" Score="0" Text="I had not noticed that the star-of-david question was locked, and I've just unlocked it.  In particular, it's unfortunate that it was blocked from edits -- sorry folks; didn't notice." CreationDate="2015-11-04T23:26:06.493" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7932" PostId="3391" Score="1" Text="Just as we do with legal questions, we should close questions which need medical answers. We do see to get lots of both kinds of questions. Perhaps folks should be referred to http://health.stackexchange.com/ ? Or perhaps the question should even be moved there?" CreationDate="2015-11-10T00:15:43.203" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7933" PostId="3391" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I like the idea of moving them to Heath.SE, that may provide the immediate input that person needs. I assume the question would still need to be edited to be on-topic there?" CreationDate="2015-11-10T00:25:21.877" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="7934" PostId="3391" Score="0" Text="Agreed on the general idea of migration, but [don't migrate crap](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/225006/add-a-dont-migrate-crap-migration-path-to-all-sites)." CreationDate="2015-11-10T09:39:05.333" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="7935" PostId="3391" Score="1" Text="@PhilipKendall - it's an interesting rule. Who is better to judge what is considered &quot;crap&quot; in a question about health - The WorkPlace, or Health?" CreationDate="2015-11-10T17:07:04.220" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7936" PostId="3391" Score="0" Text="@PhilipKendall right, would assume that the &quot;question&quot; would need to be edited to be an actual question. Calling the question crap is fine for technical questions, but quite different for ones with an emotional edge." CreationDate="2015-11-10T17:13:17.773" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="7937" PostId="3391" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Is there a way to migrate after the question is closed?" CreationDate="2015-11-10T17:18:18.380" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="7938" PostId="3391" Score="0" Text="@mcknz - sorry, no idea. I've never migrated anything." CreationDate="2015-11-10T17:51:17.307" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7939" PostId="3391" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere thanks, looks like you can select a different site when you close as off topic. For this specific question, given the current quality, it's probably best left as is." CreationDate="2015-11-10T18:27:18.783" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="7940" PostId="3391" Score="3" Text="see also: [What's the official SE response to serious mentions of suicide in posts?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/243700/165773)" CreationDate="2015-11-11T00:09:08.100" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="7956" PostId="3391" Score="0" Text="Can people with depression hold down a job? Not something I'm familiar with, but hear about depression a bit while surfing. And why would someone with such a severe problem post a question in a group like this? Sorry, probably shouldn't ask so many questions but can't understand the motivation." CreationDate="2015-11-12T08:15:18.647" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="7958" PostId="3391" Score="2" Text="@kilisi it depends on how severe it is, how persistent, and how it manifests.  It's like asking whether someone with broken bones can work -- depends on whether it's a nicely splinted broken leg, or if the person is in traction in the ICU, (and also on what work they are trying to do). It's a sliding scale of impact, not a binary." CreationDate="2015-11-12T10:35:11.117" UserId="14134" />
  <row Id="7976" PostId="3391" Score="1" Text="On Health SE, a lot of questions get downvoted, and personal medical advice amongst many other things is not welcome." CreationDate="2015-11-16T20:38:37.937" UserId="9218" />
  <row Id="7931" PostId="3392" Score="0" Text="agreed -- it's not really a question as originally presented." CreationDate="2015-11-09T22:57:38.110" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="7955" PostId="3393" Score="0" Text="thanks, appreciate the template." CreationDate="2015-11-12T06:28:13.567" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="7941" PostId="3394" Score="0" Text="It can probably be rejected as a suggested edit... if someone rejects it before others approve it :)" CreationDate="2015-11-11T00:52:20.270" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7942" PostId="3395" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I thought as much. Ended up sorted it out with @enderland in the watercooler room already." CreationDate="2015-11-11T01:12:36.887" UserId="2251" />
  <row Id="7953" PostId="3395" Score="1" Text="@Codingo Be aware that you don't want to get your edits rejected _too_ often, or you'll wind up [temporarily edit-banned](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/91392/too-many-of-your-edits-were-rejected-try-again-in-7-days)." CreationDate="2015-11-12T03:09:45.367" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7954" PostId="3395" Score="0" Text="@JaneS No worries, once off should be ok. Just passed my 2k rep anyway - so no longer an issue" CreationDate="2015-11-12T03:12:54.703" UserId="2251" />
  <row Id="7964" PostId="3398" Score="0" Text="Could you edit in links to some questions that would potentially be closed as duplicates of the canonical post if we had it?  (That's the main value of canonical posts -- to have some place to send people when the same questions keep coming up.)  Seeing some sample questions that you hope to address in a canonical post would help me better understand what you're proposing.  Thanks!  And thanks for offering to help out." CreationDate="2015-11-13T04:53:26.777" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7965" PostId="3398" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio This has now been done! Note that there's some really great answers on those already and my intent would be to preserve the substance of them but put it into a friendlier format." CreationDate="2015-11-13T04:57:45.077" UserId="2251" />
  <row Id="7967" PostId="3398" Score="4" Text="Note that questions like these should *not* be wikified. In general, questions should almost never be wikified. (There's some relevant stuff on meta about this.)" CreationDate="2015-11-13T08:48:24.410" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7959" PostId="3399" Score="0" Text="(Oh, and I don't have this badge yet :) )" CreationDate="2015-11-13T01:08:11.917" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="7960" PostId="3399" Score="1" Text="But the system tracks revision history, so it ought to be able to know about the edit (editor and timestamp).  If you improved a post and then somebody made it even better, why would that count against you?  We'll have to wait for somebody from SE to weigh in, I suspect." CreationDate="2015-11-13T02:51:13.117" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7962" PostId="3399" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio hit the nail on the head. I'm not expecting the badge anytime soon but I also wouldn't expect the counter on it to go down when somebody further edits an improvement that I've made (which is the current behavior it seems)." CreationDate="2015-11-13T03:40:54.077" UserId="2251" />
  <row Id="7970" PostId="3399" Score="3" Text="I think it is more that the system is unable to tell if your edit was revised because it was not a great edit or just because more things needed to be added after." CreationDate="2015-11-13T19:55:12.693" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7971" PostId="3399" Score="1" Text="@Chad If that were the case, I think a good distinguisher would be whether it was a rollback or new edit that changed your revisions. I would be surprised if it tracked at this level though." CreationDate="2015-11-13T20:01:22.750" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7972" PostId="3399" Score="1" Text="@DavidK - I am sure we could come up with some determination factor.  I think we edit alot more often than SO on SO this is less likely to be an issue.  Its going to be a effort vs reward to change for SE I would guess." CreationDate="2015-11-13T20:02:45.523" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7973" PostId="3399" Score="0" Text="@Chad I likely edit more than most at the moment and I've found that it is very rare on this site for a post to undergo a single edit. Many go through three or even more revisions. I think it's normal for more essay rather than code based questions. The badge doesn't really appear to fit this context." CreationDate="2015-11-14T02:05:19.130" UserId="2251" />
  <row Id="7975" PostId="3399" Score="2" Text="@Codingo - I would say that is true, that most posts here undergo multiple edits.  These badges are basically the legacy of Stack Overflow.  I seriously doubt that SE will address the issue to make it more attainable on the SE sites.  However the place to address that would be meta.stackexchange.com this meta is for addressing The Workplace issues, as our mods can not change the programming of the site." CreationDate="2015-11-16T15:33:59.843" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="7963" PostId="3400" Score="0" Text="Wouldn't closing questions as a duplicate just cause the same frustrations? Wouldn't it be better to having something more substantial to link those closures to?" CreationDate="2015-11-13T03:48:00.517" UserId="2251" />
  <row Id="7966" PostId="3400" Score="1" Text="The issue is that we lack a one-size-fits-all answer. Most people get hung up on one or two specifics mentioned in the linked post which makes them convinced that the answers don't apply to them and feel cheated. For this particular question, IIRC, there are also no generic answers: most address those specifics as well and therefore become less useful." CreationDate="2015-11-13T08:47:47.113" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7968" PostId="3400" Score="3" Text="@Lilienthal - If someone feels that the linked duplicates don't apply to them, what we generally advise question askers and editors to do is to reference the duplicates in the post and briefly explain why that person's situation is different. That helps keep relevant posts from being closed as duplicates.  In general, on Stack Exchange, real questions and real problems are much more valuable than canonical one-size fits all approaches, as Stack Exchange serves to solve the problems that haven't already been solved elsewhere on the Internet." CreationDate="2015-11-13T11:05:51.913" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="7969" PostId="3400" Score="5" Text="Yes, but the issue here is that they think it's not a duplicate but are wrong and have their question closed on them without finding a solution. While you make a good point on SE's goals, the fact remains that we routinely get questions on the same topic but lack a **useful** way to deal with them. I would contend that at this point SE *is* routinely solving questions that have already been solved on the net and its main value is in providing a peer-reviewed, easily searchable platform for them." CreationDate="2015-11-13T11:20:41.313" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7961" PostId="3401" Score="0" Text="Not expecting to be on the map yet but I have noticed that the count in general has been going down when somebody edits a question after I have." CreationDate="2015-11-13T03:30:29.683" UserId="2251" />
  <row Id="7977" PostId="3401" Score="0" Text="@Codingo it looks like only 3 people on the site (you, Chad, and me) are even above 20." CreationDate="2015-11-23T14:24:33.443" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7978" PostId="3401" Score="0" Text="@enderland Which is kind of the crux of my argument. The reason this count is so low is because if another editor comes along after you then that number would drop to 19. If it weren't flawed in design then I think these numbers would be telling a very different story." CreationDate="2015-11-24T00:31:34.203" UserId="2251" />
  <row Id="7974" PostId="3404" Score="1" Text="Thank you Jane S." CreationDate="2015-11-15T07:58:54.687" UserId="38636" />
  <row Id="7979" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="I can't tell what you're asking, but if it's about a question then meta is the place to ask it.  Questions on main need to be actual questions about the workplace, not commentary on other questions.  Also, you can propose an edit to any post by clicking on the &quot;edit&quot; link below it; your edit will then be reviewed." CreationDate="2015-11-24T03:41:06.353" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7980" PostId="3407" Score="3" Text="Why was this migrated instead of just outright deleted? I don't see an actual question here or even links to the original question(s) that this seems to be about. Surely Meta shouldn't be a dumping ground for people trying to bypass posting privileges or limits." CreationDate="2015-11-24T09:37:38.410" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7981" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal: Ha! People love to be &quot;anti-dumping ground&quot;. This question is, in fact, quite poor (I've voted to close it). But it *can* be rehabilitated." CreationDate="2015-11-24T12:30:17.067" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7982" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I migrated because it sounded like a question about a (closed) question.  I also left a comment saying that what the person is asking was unclear to me, but for me it was late and I was a little fuzzy-brained so I wasn't going to go straight for &quot;delete&quot;.  It feels like there's a question in here somewhere, but the asker is going to have to clarify.  Or maybe other people who were involved in the question understand what this is about?" CreationDate="2015-11-24T16:43:44.107" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7985" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio That's fair enough, I had to give it a few hours before I could be bother to read this (semi-)properly myself :). As I understand it this is just a case of an unregistered user opening his question from another machine and creating two accounts in the process by trying to post his comments as a new question. This whole thing could be added as an edit to [the original question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/58181/) though that's still not a great practice. Suggested approach would be to migrate the users but since they're unregistered...." CreationDate="2015-11-24T19:04:23.203" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7986" PostId="3407" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I just wasn't sure if my failure to parse was at my end or the other end, and I didn't know what question was being discussed.  But I figured somebody here might know what this is about.  Anybody should feel free to make (or propose) an edit, *especially* if it's on a closed question that you can help advance." CreationDate="2015-11-24T19:14:55.493" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7983" PostId="3410" Score="2" Text="FYI, I locked it (temporarily, for an hour) since... it had 50+ comments in total and was accumulating several comments a minute at its current rate." CreationDate="2015-11-24T17:23:35.793" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7984" PostId="3410" Score="0" Text="OK, that makes sense. More of a &quot;cool down&quot; period than a permanent lock down. I was just surprised you didn't go for the &quot;Let's continue this in chat&quot; first." CreationDate="2015-11-24T17:27:39.213" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7988" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the explanation. When I posted I wasn't sure how permanent the &quot;locked&quot; status would be, so I wanted to bring it up. As of now it looks like the question has gotten enough votes to be reopened. Now hopefully it can get some good answers!" CreationDate="2015-11-24T19:17:52.760" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7989" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="Oh, did the lock notice not show timing information to you?  (We mods see something like &quot;expires in N minutes&quot;, but I didn't think to test that in an incognito window.)  That's good to know.  And yes, it's reopened now; I cast the fifth vote." CreationDate="2015-11-24T19:20:32.383" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7990" PostId="3411" Score="0" Text="No, I don't think it gave any timing information. From what I remember it said that it was locked, by whom, and the reason (in this case too many comments, so continue in chat)." CreationDate="2015-11-24T19:25:08.167" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="7987" PostId="3412" Score="4" Text="4. Ask on meta whether the edits merit reopening and, if not, what else is needed.  You've indirectly done that by posting this, so with luck you'll get some feedback.  (You can also ask in chat.)" CreationDate="2015-11-24T19:17:23.837" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="7991" PostId="3412" Score="0" Text="Oh, I've read the help section, but I didn't know this. Thanks!" CreationDate="2015-11-24T20:26:00.843" UserId="44093" />
  <row Id="7992" PostId="3412" Score="0" Text="+1 to &quot;ask in [chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler)&quot;. It's one of the easiest and (usually) fastest ways of getting help with rescuing a question." CreationDate="2015-11-25T17:10:40.073" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7993" PostId="3412" Score="0" Text="Do you want to convert this post to a topic on the edits needed to make your question on-topic, or do you want to go ahead with the more general case of &quot;how do I check the status / speed up the reopen?&quot;? The major problem I see with your current question and what will always prevent me from reopening a company-specific close reason is that you first sentence cites a specific clause in your contract." CreationDate="2015-11-25T17:19:39.980" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="7994" PostId="3412" Score="0" Text="No, I want to keep this question here generic. Now, about my closed question, I don;t think it's company-specific either. The sentence you are talking about is a very common/generic term used in many types of contracts. I didn't even copy from my contract, I found a 95% similar one from the internet." CreationDate="2015-11-26T00:02:51.560" UserId="44093" />
  <row Id="8004" PostId="3412" Score="0" Text="By the way I've made a separate specific re-opening request for my question at http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3416/reopen-should-i-notify-my-employer-that-i-intend-to-work-on-an-open-source-or-p" CreationDate="2015-11-28T00:40:33.250" UserId="44093" />
  <row Id="7995" PostId="3413" Score="0" Text="25 people? You're crazy! That's a lot of prep and space :). We're visiting relatives, only 15 or so total -- assuming the snow and ice hold off... Might be a lot fewer." CreationDate="2015-11-26T13:56:12.403" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="7996" PostId="3413" Score="1" Text="@enderland - it is a lot of prep, but we enjoy it. We don't have a lot of space, so we have tables set up in the dining room, kitchen, and even the living room. It's a beautiful day in New England, so looks like we'll work off some of the turkey with touch football in the back yard." CreationDate="2015-11-26T15:00:08.050" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7997" PostId="3413" Score="0" Text=":) We got snowed out. &quot;Snow/sleet/ice mix&quot; and multi-hour drive for the first winter snowfall of the year... sounds fun!" CreationDate="2015-11-26T16:07:50.080" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8017" PostId="3413" Score="0" Text="We're now past Thanksgiving, Black Friday, Cyber Monday, and Giving Tuesday, so I'm going to call that a wrap and close this now." CreationDate="2015-12-03T01:55:26.017" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14258" PostId="3413" Score="0" Text="Happy Thanksgiving @JoeStrazzere :) hope you have another big and fun gathering with your Family. Cheers." CreationDate="2017-11-23T16:04:51.023" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14259" PostId="3413" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus - thank you! Actually this year is going to be different from the rest. I'm dealing with a medical issue at the moment, and had my first treatment this week. I'll be avoiding crowds until my treatments are completed (probably by year end). So we had to tell everyone that we wouldn't be able to host Thanksgiving this year. Fortunately, my brother took it over this time, so the family can still gather and enjoy themselves without us. This is the first time in many, many years we have had to do this. Hopefully, it will be the last." CreationDate="2017-11-23T16:10:48.587" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="7998" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="What are you talking about? Indians partook in the very first Thanksgiving!" CreationDate="2015-11-26T22:15:34.473" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="7999" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="@JimG. Is it?  Maybe they forgot to inform me!   On a serious note, no one knows about it here, leave alone celebrating it :)" CreationDate="2015-11-27T02:10:30.243" UserId="40657" />
  <row Id="8001" PostId="3414" Score="3" Text="@Dawny33 - Jim was joking, since it was Native Americans (sometimes called Indians) who took part in the first Thanksgiving. I live near the location where it took place. It's a nice holiday for many - college students often return home for the occasion, lots of family join, and there are no gits - just lots of food." CreationDate="2015-11-27T13:02:58.287" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8002" PostId="3414" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Ha ha, yeah it took some time for me to get it  :D   But, I let the comment as is!" CreationDate="2015-11-27T13:05:16.827" UserId="40657" />
  <row Id="8000" PostId="3415" Score="2" Text="Thanks. I'm guessing there are a few European holidays that aren't celebrated in the US, so you can feel good about that." CreationDate="2015-11-27T12:58:20.673" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8003" PostId="3415" Score="0" Text="It's ok; *Big Bang Theory* should be back next week. :-)" CreationDate="2015-11-27T20:39:30.757" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8013" PostId="3415" Score="3" Text="Reading this again I realise that my attempt at &quot;disgruntled foreigner sarcasm&quot; may not have been apparent to all. Rest assured that I wrote this with tongue firmly in cheek and that I don't begrudge anyone their holiday. :)" CreationDate="2015-11-30T14:44:57.357" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8005" PostId="3416" Score="1" Text="I upvoted this meta question not because I think the other question should be reopened but because asking on meta is the right thing to do (so this is an appropriate meta question).  I hope that somebody will explain in an answer here what the issues in that question are and what would need to be changed for it to be reopened." CreationDate="2015-11-29T18:37:45.553" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8007" PostId="3417" Score="3" Text="[Encouraging people to explain downvotes](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/2373/260382)" CreationDate="2015-11-30T10:39:41.647" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8008" PostId="3417" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Gotto agree with that answer there  :)   But, I really think doing so, in _this community_ would be very useful." CreationDate="2015-11-30T10:51:05.310" UserId="40657" />
  <row Id="8009" PostId="3417" Score="2" Text="Well the issue is that we can't really enforce any practices. Users are already suggested to add advice for improvement to a post they downvote. I further agree with [this comment](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/135/encouraging-people-to-explain-downvotes/2373#comment313_135): &quot;*I enjoy being able to down-vote posts I don't care for without worrying about retaliation. And I really enjoy being able to leave honest comments without worrying that they'll be justifiably interpreted as evidence that I've down-voted. I would not like to see the two systems linked.*&quot;" CreationDate="2015-11-30T10:53:00.230" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8010" PostId="3417" Score="0" Text="So this thread is a bit of a non-question: it *is* a good practice to explain downvotes and in fact that's a suggested practice across the Network, but there's nothing we can do about it. I could put an answer below saying &quot;Yes this is a good practice.&quot; and that'd be the end of it probably. :)" CreationDate="2015-11-30T10:54:35.347" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8011" PostId="3417" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal  Haha,  go ahead, put that in.  I'll accept it. &lt; End of story &gt;  :D" CreationDate="2015-11-30T10:55:20.910" UserId="40657" />
  <row Id="8012" PostId="3417" Score="0" Text="Hah, I think you can probably reword this post to be more useful/generic or to get a bit more of a discussion going. A PSA on the subject could be useful in and of itself. The linked post suggest that the warning disappears above 2K rep but I still see it I think." CreationDate="2015-11-30T10:59:19.160" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8014" PostId="3419" Score="1" Text="Aside: the question is now reopened." CreationDate="2015-12-01T12:02:30.647" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="8016" PostId="3422" Score="0" Text="Nice! Sounds colorful..." CreationDate="2015-12-02T12:51:09.203" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8022" PostId="3422" Score="0" Text="A real Red Velvet cake uses beets? TIL... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_velvet_cake" CreationDate="2015-12-03T21:13:54.027" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8024" PostId="3423" Score="2" Text="Just a note, **only upvotes** are going to be used to count for voting (feel free to downvote away on whichever you disagree with, though!)." CreationDate="2015-12-03T21:27:10.637" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8038" PostId="3423" Score="3" Text="Are there any reasons not to hat? Seems like harmless fun to me!" CreationDate="2015-12-04T13:41:12.873" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8077" PostId="3423" Score="3" Text="0/10, not in iambic pentameter =P" CreationDate="2015-12-07T18:00:00.950" UserId="34412" />
  <row Id="8163" PostId="3423" Score="2" Text="___Hat___ is the question!" CreationDate="2015-12-15T23:21:51.033" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8164" PostId="3423" Score="1" Text="And hatters gonna hat." CreationDate="2015-12-15T23:24:20.427" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8018" PostId="3424" Score="3" Text="I can't vote for my own answer... silly SE preventing me from sock puppeting. But my avatar is so great for hats!" CreationDate="2015-12-03T20:40:57.357" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8021" PostId="3424" Score="2" Text="My avatar is NOT so great for hats :O  But I still think we should participate :)" CreationDate="2015-12-03T20:46:22.300" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="8174" PostId="3425" Score="0" Text="Hats suck and are only for people who like having fun.... and everyone knows we hate fun here at SE!" CreationDate="2015-12-18T22:47:47.103" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8175" PostId="3425" Score="2" Text="@Chad I find your lack of hat disturbing... :o" CreationDate="2015-12-18T22:48:12.677" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8039" PostId="3427" Score="0" Text="Hmm, this is an interesting question.." CreationDate="2015-12-04T15:33:23.053" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8040" PostId="3427" Score="0" Text="@Mods: would the question suggestion violate any SE Prime Directives? I can't imagine the network encouraging the use of locked questions to bypass rules on off-topic/subjective questions." CreationDate="2015-12-04T15:39:13.680" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8041" PostId="3427" Score="0" Text="I like the idea of more useful tag wikis, but does anyone even really use them? You first need to click on the actual tag (instead of tagging your post with one) and then need to click on the &quot;learn more&quot; to actually reach the full wiki page." CreationDate="2015-12-04T15:39:45.840" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8042" PostId="3427" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal: Isn't that what historical locks are? Locks used on questions that are off-topic/subjective/some-other-close-reason but that mods wish to keep around? Granted, this wouldn't be a &quot;historical&quot; lock, but I think the principle is the same." CreationDate="2015-12-04T15:42:22.093" UserId="36983" />
  <row Id="8043" PostId="3427" Score="1" Text="@R_Kapp [Not quite.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126587/what-is-a-historical-lock-and-what-is-it-used-for)" CreationDate="2015-12-04T15:46:18.377" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8046" PostId="3427" Score="0" Text="If it's tag-specific, the tag wiki is a good place to put this information.  Historical locks are sometimes applied to questions that *turned out not to be* good questions; I'm not aware off-hand of a site that *set out to create an off-topic locked post from the start*." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:08:39.050" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8072" PostId="3427" Score="3" Text="Possible duplicate of [Do we have a procedure for recommending good sources, or a place where we can store the links to these references?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2946/do-we-have-a-procedure-for-recommending-good-sources-or-a-place-where-we-can-st)" CreationDate="2015-12-04T19:40:30.133" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8044" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="+1 to the proposal" CreationDate="2015-12-04T15:57:29.850" UserId="40657" />
  <row Id="8047" PostId="3428" Score="3" Text="Apparently you seem to be on an editing spree, changing out &quot;resume&quot; for &quot;résumé&quot;. I assume most of your edits are making it through but note that SE normally frowns on such insignificant edits. &quot;Resume&quot; is *not* incorrect, it's an accepted alternative spelling which makes such edits trivial. Changing American for British English is similarly not an acceptable edit." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:08:52.463" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8063" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="I just edited your question with &quot;résumé&quot; as a tag and it... seems it was auto convered to &quot;resume&quot; :)" CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:33:24.113" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8066" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="@enderland I know. :-(" CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:37:51.220" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8074" PostId="3428" Score="1" Text="Why bother? Nobody will be confused or inconvenienced by using the term &quot;resume&quot;." CreationDate="2015-12-05T16:05:05.927" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8075" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="Nobody will be confused or inconvenienced by many things. It is a grammatical question, much like whether to capitalize &quot;Facebook&quot; as the logo has a lower case f." CreationDate="2015-12-05T22:27:13.043" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8115" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="You wrote 'unilaterally', but I think you meant 'universally', which is pretty much the opposite meaning." CreationDate="2015-12-10T23:21:43.150" UserId="610" />
  <row Id="8123" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="@user52889 &quot;Unilateral&quot; can mean &quot;one-sided&quot;. A &quot;unilateral effort&quot; can be undertaken by more than one party so long as each member of the party is taking the same effort." CreationDate="2015-12-11T15:36:30.157" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8197" PostId="3428" Score="0" Text="In 35 years at work (UK)  I have never used the accented version of resume - I think most would think it pretentious think Niles in Frasier" CreationDate="2015-12-25T20:57:32.577" UserId="19290" />
  <row Id="8048" PostId="3429" Score="2" Text="Also, keep in mind most people have keyboards with &quot;e&quot; characters - I do not have an &quot;é&quot; character on my keyboard and I suspect nearly all who type in English do not either.." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:18:51.800" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8049" PostId="3429" Score="2" Text="@enderland That is all the more reason to keep it on as an alias. It would mean that someone would type in `resume` and get the expected `résumé`." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:20:13.170" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8051" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="@cwallenpoole except most of your edits relate to changing the actual characters in question body/edits..." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:20:44.440" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8052" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="Wikipedia's take: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%A9sum%C3%A9" CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:21:55.783" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8053" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="@enderland Not the question at hand :-P" CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:22:29.740" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8054" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="Also, should be noted, that while the article you cite does mention that &quot;resume&quot; is common, Wikipedia, freedictionary.com, as well as *BOTH* dictionaries that post cites use the spelling &quot;résumé&quot; for the *name* of the entry. This implies that résumé is the more expected spelling." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:24:10.910" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8055" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="@cwallenpoole Conversely, [Alison Green] and a few other workplace/management bloggers that I've read exclusively use &quot;resume&quot;. The [tag:résumé]  tag also looks fairly odd in my opinion." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:26:34.197" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8057" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="The &quot;resume&quot; tag looks more odd in my opinion. It looks like it's defaulting the ASCII instead of unicode." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:29:35.060" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8059" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="And a cursory look at the `Harvard Business Review` suggests that résumé is more common among its authors." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:30:52.737" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8060" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="As a general rule – it is hard to go wrong erring on the side of formal English." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:31:22.540" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8061" PostId="3429" Score="1" Text="@cwallenpoole Updated my post: diacritic marks break tag syntax in questions and answers. Enough of a reason to go for a firm no on this in my opinion." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:32:16.760" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8064" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal As I mentioned, I checked french.stackexchange.com before asking. Otherwise I would have reported this as a bug. `[tag:compléments]` works there." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:35:04.230" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8065" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal The problem is that `résumé` is not a tag. The highlighting syntax won't work because the tag doesn't exist. If you were to create a tag `flambé` you could use `[tag:flambé]`. Diacritics have nothing to do with it." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:36:50.497" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8067" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="@cwallenpoole just FYI, as a moderator (or user with lots of rep) I can create tags, and tried on your question here, but it seems on Workplace this is not supported currently." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:38:49.533" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8068" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="@cwallenpoole Tested on the French site: creating fake tags in the editor correctly displays tag syntax but this is not the case here. Seems like a site limitation as enderland suggests." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:42:38.143" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8069" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal @enderland That seems like a bug. I am able to create tags in both Christianity and SO, in SO it supports `é`, Christianity does not. french does. This one does not." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:46:29.627" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8070" PostId="3429" Score="0" Text="@cwallenpoole Either that or [a site setting according to @enderland](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/25912844#25912844)." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:55:25.010" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8071" PostId="3429" Score="1" Text="Forwarded the &quot;why&quot; to here: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/270362/why-are-diacritics-not-supported-in-tags-consistently" CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:57:42.003" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="8058" PostId="3430" Score="4" Text="Here's an example from Stack Overflow of a comprehensive and (it appears) oft-cited tag wiki: http://stackoverflow.com/tags/java/info." CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:29:52.130" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8062" PostId="3430" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio  Yeah, when the wikis can be crafted so nicely, there is no reason why questions need to ask for **good books** or **good resources.**    They definitely need [to be closed](http://datascience.stackexchange.com/q/8963/11097)" CreationDate="2015-12-04T16:32:52.507" UserId="40657" />
  <row Id="8124" PostId="3431" Score="0" Text="The reason I thought we could make this the default is because it would mean that an American with Windows would be able to type `resume` and the accented word would appear. We have something very similar right now – someone who puts the accents in the words will find that the default *removes* them. That seems to be a SE setting? bug? though." CreationDate="2015-12-11T15:38:52.040" UserId="18610" />
  <row Id="10089" PostId="3431" Score="0" Text="@cwallenpoole But  a person may not want to use the only meaning of the word, it's like the history of the word clbuttic. What if you wanted to actually use the word resume, and not résumé? We'd then see lots of complaining posts about it." CreationDate="2016-10-04T12:26:45.003" UserId="43309" />
  <row Id="8107" PostId="3433" Score="0" Text="I haven't reviewed the links yet, but from your quotes it looks like the first is asking about the first couple months (so, first day +), while the second asks specifically about the first day.  Do the answers reflect that difference too, or did everybody just end up talking about the first day?" CreationDate="2015-12-10T16:19:24.300" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8110" PostId="3433" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Good catch. I thought they did, but it turns out it's the most recent question mentioned day 1 + first months. Of the more recent question, only 3 answers specify the timeframe. The others are general dress code answers that aren't specific to the first day/weeks. The older question is specific to the first day and answers there are assumed to cover that specific day, they don't expand beyond that." CreationDate="2015-12-10T16:31:00.750" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8111" PostId="3433" Score="0" Text="Given that, perhaps the better option is to edit both questions to clarify the difference (first day versus first weeks) and redirect new duplicates accordingly: [this](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/59088/is-it-good-to-overdress-more-than-the-first-day-of-work) one mentions the first months on the job so would redirect to the more recent question (first one linked in this question)." CreationDate="2015-12-10T16:32:35.990" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8113" PostId="3433" Score="1" Text="Editing to clearly differentiate, cross-linking where helpful, and marking dupes where they exist sounds like the right approach, then. Unfortunately we can't move answers, so if there are any answers on the &quot;first few months&quot; question that *only* talk about the first day, we can't migrate them.  On the other hand, if that's the case then they don't answer the whole question (and somebody could point that out in a comment and suggest answerinng the other question)." CreationDate="2015-12-10T16:54:30.163" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8078" PostId="3434" Score="20" Text="How would answers differ if it was a male senior/female junior vs a female senior/male junior or some other gender combination?" CreationDate="2015-12-09T21:56:53.773" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8079" PostId="3434" Score="20" Text="From the sound of it, there's no actual reason to believe it's a gender issue (eg. a comment she made: _&quot;When a man is rude to a woman of course she will think it has to do with gender&quot;_). Including that information is likely a red-herring, and narrows the scope of the question to be less useful to future visitors." CreationDate="2015-12-09T23:23:52.863" UserId="2345" />
  <row Id="8080" PostId="3434" Score="8" Text="@BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Whether it *sounds* like it’s a gender bias issue and *it’s not* a gender bias issue is not the job of any of the non-involved editors here to take. *Always* assume good faith unless proven otherwise. In my case I answered the question but addressed my personal POV that somehow this was not gender related. That is how things like this should be addressed. If anything the title *should* have been edited to add the concept of a personality conflict at the core with gender being a *possible* motivating factor. Which it is at this point thanks to this edit I made." CreationDate="2015-12-09T23:45:41.173" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="8106" PostId="3434" Score="13" Text="Note that the OP accepted an answer that mentioned nothing about sexism. That tells us something." CreationDate="2015-12-10T13:06:40.150" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8108" PostId="3434" Score="9" Text="That the original version of the question included something about the senior person's desire for more women in the workplace, and that the OP is having trouble reconciling that with his behavior, suggests to me that the OP *did* consider it potentially relevant." CreationDate="2015-12-10T16:24:14.097" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8118" PostId="3434" Score="4" Text="It seems the right solution to this would be to have the OP clarify, rather than go edit happy and inject a gender issue into a non-gender issue, or remove the gender issue if it was one. As it stands now it looks more like junior vs. senior issue rather than male vs. female, but if that was really due to OP input, who can tell?" CreationDate="2015-12-11T09:21:16.317" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="8122" PostId="3434" Score="5" Text="@Brandin the [OP has spoken](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/59095/revisions) (edit 14)" CreationDate="2015-12-11T15:04:19.677" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8149" PostId="3434" Score="0" Text="I remember originally reading the question and thinking to myself that the premise of sexism had no evidence to back it up. I was actually happy when it was edited to remove that aspect, and did notice the subsequent tug-of-war over it. In the end, even without the OP's support for the move, I still think that it was the right move." CreationDate="2015-12-15T14:24:34.317" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8089" PostId="3435" Score="14" Text="The only explicit sexism (prejudice or bias) was the OP's comment &quot;When a man is rude to a woman of course she will think it has to do with gender&quot;.  Not to say that sexism isn't playing a part (and I disagree that if there is gender bias happening that the question should be closed), but if that is part of the problem, it should be explicitly mentioned and described -- we can't suggest ways to deal with prejudice or bias without knowing how it is being exhibited." CreationDate="2015-12-10T01:06:03.677" UserId="271" />
  <row Id="8101" PostId="3435" Score="8" Text="If a person *perceives* sexism, than the topic sexism is relevant regardless or not of whether there is real sexism going on.  No further evidence should be required." CreationDate="2015-12-10T12:41:45.147" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="8102" PostId="3435" Score="12" Text="&quot;If it's not a sexism thing, take gender out of the question, since it will only muddy the results.&quot; Agreed. Imagine if everyone chose to include gender, race, religion, etc in all of their questions. We'd get endless dogmatic answers as to why male Caucasians who were Catholic should give more notice when resigning. If the question is fundamentally about sexism in the workplace, then we might be able to answer that. But if the question is about a junior developer dealing with a senior developer, then let's just answer that." CreationDate="2015-12-10T12:50:17.377" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8109" PostId="3435" Score="7" Text="Questions about sexism in the workplace are out of the scope of this site?  What?" CreationDate="2015-12-10T16:25:44.910" UserId="3017" />
  <row Id="8112" PostId="3435" Score="1" Text="In my opinion, yes.  Because answers will devolve to &quot;talk to HR&quot; which is specifically mentioned as a close reason." CreationDate="2015-12-10T16:33:39.083" UserId="18054" />
  <row Id="8120" PostId="3435" Score="5" Text="@GarrisonNeely &quot;Talk to HR&quot; is a close reason when the question is about company policies that we can't possibly answer here. Good questions about workplace issues can still be answered with &quot;Talk to HR&quot; when the answerer believes that the best way to solve the problem is to involve management." CreationDate="2015-12-11T13:10:21.450" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8150" PostId="3435" Score="1" Text="@GarrisonNeely - I think you made a good call, as there was no evidence supporting sexism - as the OP herself has now come forward to state." CreationDate="2015-12-15T14:26:20.110" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8121" PostId="3436" Score="6" Text="As a woman, I would have edited it out as well.  Knowing the gender of either participant in the conflict in this particular case is irrelevant.  It's not uncommon for individuals to perceive any slight they receive is because of their status as a minority.  When you hear all the time how &quot;[minority class] is treated badly in [industry X]&quot;, its easy for individuals to believe they are the victim of whatever *-ism* applies here." CreationDate="2015-12-11T14:30:48.960" UserId="13404" />
  <row Id="8129" PostId="3436" Score="2" Text="This site is a Q&amp;A site not a dear abby site.  The edit removed information that was not necessary.  The OP can always edit it back in if they feel strongly about it hopefully clarifing why they think it is a gender issue." CreationDate="2015-12-11T20:59:13.360" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8081" PostId="3437" Score="9" Text="**“That said, I disagree with the edit on the grounds that it removed something from the question that OP felt was important enough to include.”** Bingo!" CreationDate="2015-12-09T23:46:10.127" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="8087" PostId="3437" Score="2" Text="I agree that commentary may have been useful.  I was concerned that without adequate proof of a sexism concern, the comments would degrade into a mudslinging fest." CreationDate="2015-12-10T01:00:19.067" UserId="18054" />
  <row Id="8100" PostId="3437" Score="4" Text="&quot;That said, I disagree with the edit on the grounds that it removed something from the question that OP felt was important enough to include.&quot; - but doesn't that argue that questions should never be edited in any way (since we assume that words in the original question are important enough to be included)?" CreationDate="2015-12-10T12:36:07.537" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8114" PostId="3437" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere - In most cases, I think that edits should be restricted to grammar, spelling, formatting, and fixing broken links." CreationDate="2015-12-10T21:33:10.493" UserId="13865" />
  <row Id="8131" PostId="3437" Score="1" Text="@Pikamander2 That is not how SE Works.  We edit questions to stream line them and make them on-topic.  That is how SE has worked for almost 10 years" CreationDate="2015-12-11T21:06:39.840" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8134" PostId="3437" Score="0" Text="@Pikamander2 - I agree with you. But as Chad says, that's not how The Workplace works." CreationDate="2015-12-11T23:52:02.927" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8158" PostId="3437" Score="2" Text="@Chad And sometimes &quot;how it works&quot; is not so great." CreationDate="2015-12-15T21:18:55.687" UserId="33878" />
  <row Id="8159" PostId="3437" Score="1" Text="@Dronz - Well then go start your own site..." CreationDate="2015-12-15T21:22:03.573" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8160" PostId="3437" Score="3" Text="@Chad What I'm getting from your comments is &quot;because you've got 27,000+ points on this one, and are clearly an overlord and so i should not make waves and should not express my opinions?&quot; Seems to me that is one of the worst sides of the SE system, and it definitely does discourage my participation." CreationDate="2015-12-15T21:30:51.000" UserId="33878" />
  <row Id="8161" PostId="3437" Score="1" Text="I am not an over lord, but I have been here since the site first started and we built this site up because we like the way the SE system works.  These are the rules set out for us to keep the site most useful to everyone.  If you do not want to participate you are not forced to do so.  Alternatively you could purchase SE and implement the rules the way you like." CreationDate="2015-12-15T21:37:41.750" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8097" PostId="3438" Score="0" Text="@JakeGould I posted a question regarding the &quot;a female&quot; issue on [English SE](http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/293015/is-it-offensive-to-refer-to-women-as-a-female)" CreationDate="2015-12-10T09:32:02.633" UserId="34099" />
  <row Id="8139" PostId="3438" Score="3" Text="@JakeGould, Lilienthal, please make your cases in your respective answers rather than an argument in comments.  This thread has gotten heated and is attracting flags, and I am going to flush it now." CreationDate="2015-12-12T23:53:07.197" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8103" PostId="3439" Score="3" Text="The OP said in a comment &quot;When a man is rude to a woman of course she will think it has to do with gender&quot;. If the question is really about sexism, then it needs a ton of editing to make it read as a question about sexism, rather than relying on a comment for emphasis." CreationDate="2015-12-10T12:54:02.353" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8104" PostId="3439" Score="2" Text="It does need editing, but preferably based on what the OP considers relevant rather than what others deem to be relevant.  The question was initially poorly phrased, but only the OP can clarify whether she perceived sexism to be relevant.  My point is that she does not need to provide evidence of sexism to include it in the question.  This is not a tribunal." CreationDate="2015-12-10T12:56:43.663" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="8105" PostId="3439" Score="1" Text="this is always a problem when the community is free to edit the words of the original poster. It often changes the emphasis in ways the author didn't intend. We aren't mind readers. Perhaps the question should be rolled back to the original words and not &quot;improved&quot;." CreationDate="2015-12-10T12:59:58.037" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8132" PostId="3439" Score="1" Text="She didn't attribute the problem to sexism in her post. In a comment she at most either exhibited sexism or assumed it, but I think it was meant to say she had **considered** sexism as a possible explanation for his behavior. IMO both the comment and gender details were irrelevant, not because she later came back and said that her problem wasn't sexism, but because neither the body of her post nor the comment showed that sexism needed to be addressed.  &quot;I have a sexist boss that demands a kickback from all employees (male and female)&quot; doesn't need to address the sexism, and neither does this." CreationDate="2015-12-11T21:49:20.233" UserId="271" />
  <row Id="8151" PostId="3439" Score="1" Text="@gerrit - while overall your comment seems sensible, I have to point out that in this day and age far too many people feel that their ***feelings*** on a situation constitute valid and rational arguments. This is a trend that is sweeping colleges and universities, and which I fundamentally do not agree with: just because something offends a person does not automatically make it a micro-aggression, bullying, sexism, or racism. Thus, someone being rude is not automatically sexism - proof of some sort must be provided for such a serious allegation. ***Feelings*** of sexism do not constitute such." CreationDate="2015-12-15T14:33:20.397" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8152" PostId="3439" Score="2" Text="@AndreiROM To look into an allegation in a tribunal sort of way, I agree there is a need for evidence.  But if someone reports that they experience a behaviour of sexism in the workplace, then this affects the workplace and deserves to be addressed in *some* way, regardless of whether the sexism is really there or a figment of the persons imagination." CreationDate="2015-12-15T14:52:37.653" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="8153" PostId="3439" Score="0" Text="@gerrit - there's no point reviving a thread almost a week old, I suppose, especially since the OP has now clarified the issue. My initial impression when reading the question was that the gender issue was blown out of proportion, and I agreed with the edit. I also understand your concern though, and I agree that dismissing people's concerns is a bad precedent. However, in this particular case I felt like the sexism accusation was a knee-jerk reaction." CreationDate="2015-12-15T15:03:28.480" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8137" PostId="3442" Score="5" Text="Good people can disagree about what is a good and what is a bad/dangerous answer. You have the ability to downvote and comment, as does everyone else. Answers often become &quot;popular&quot; without regard to their &quot;goodness&quot;. Many answers seem to get upvoted if they reinforce the majority's beliefs, even if they don't really address the core problem being posed in the question. Such is the nature of sites that encourage voting/reputation points/badges and where answers aren't curated much if at all. So it goes..." CreationDate="2015-12-12T23:20:14.377" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8136" PostId="3444" Score="3" Text="Are you speaking from experience? In my experience, daily pressure in such a culture is not nearly so benign as you make it sound. The anxiety about being selected for challenging/interesting tasks, important projects and concerns about your boss seeing your work schedule as a hindrance to progress are not accounted for in your response. You do not include those aspects in your &quot;realistic worse case scenario&quot; description." CreationDate="2015-12-12T17:28:43.847" UserId="42908" />
  <row Id="8140" PostId="3444" Score="0" Text="What you are describing are self imposed consequences, not something imposed by management or even peers.  Here's a real consequence for you: a 9.1% reduction in pay.  That's what the OP gets for giving up his vacation days. He can fight any negative impression of &quot;slacking&quot; that his boss or co-workers might form because he took time off by getting his task done.  But in a use it or loose it business, his pay cut is very real, and no amount of &quot;he does a good job&quot; will get it back." CreationDate="2015-12-13T00:08:52.377" UserId="271" />
  <row Id="8142" PostId="3444" Score="2" Text="**As long as he is not actually slacking off, any negative view of his taking time off that he is owed, is going to be minor.** Isn't that making some broad assumptions regarding culture?" CreationDate="2015-12-14T19:37:49.950" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="8145" PostId="3445" Score="0" Text="I appreciate your response here. Your answer is representative of my concern. The OP asked &quot;how to not look like a slacker&quot; and your response is essentially, &quot;it shouldn't matter if you do&quot; which didn't address the question. Also, you had embedded assumptions (&quot;use it or lose it&quot;, the boss may hate doesn't take vacation but does he care if the OP does?), ignore sacrifices now for a better future (&quot;saved&quot; personal time is valuable, an early career promotion can provide significant leisure time and money later). You are &quot;V for Vendetta&quot; and rebellious, and you have cheerleaders... but..." CreationDate="2015-12-15T05:33:37.617" UserId="42908" />
  <row Id="8146" PostId="3445" Score="0" Text="No no no.  I am saying that vacation has absolutely nothing to do with slacker - there is maybe even a negative correlation in my opinion.  Equating the two seems completely asinine to me.  I run a large tech group.  I went on a 3 week vacation this summer and we had some outages that were a bit outside my group's control... I had my boss's boss calling me on my cell to VPN in and help...  Yea it sucked taking a day out of my vacation but its the job.  So if I never took vacation I would just do these things and really no one may even understand my impact...   they do now." CreationDate="2015-12-15T05:45:42.440" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="8147" PostId="3445" Score="0" Text="I agree with you about vacation. However, the question is &quot;the appearance of being a slacker&quot; and how his actions might hinder his &quot;push for raises and promotions&quot; - which means he's asking how to address *immediate* concerns in his current role. It may seem asinine to you, but it is a real workplace worry that people have. He is asking, as a new hire, how to handle this so that the things you are saying will be accepted/evident - and if they are not, what steps to take. Also &quot;music festival vacations&quot; may not allow him to be on call, or perform well if asked to, like you did." CreationDate="2015-12-15T06:03:50.480" UserId="42908" />
  <row Id="8148" PostId="3445" Score="1" Text="Yea I think we are going around in circles.  I completely disagree with you and I have been very very successful in the tech industry always taking my full vacation.   I took my vacation my first year and actually went on a 2 weeker within 6 months of me being hired.  And was promoted to a manager position 6 months after that...  A slacker is really a euphemism for a lazy dumbass.  Nobody thinks you are a lazy dumbass for taking vacation.  They think you are a lazy dumbass because you don't pull your weight, learn things as quick as others, bring extras to the table etc." CreationDate="2015-12-15T06:24:35.973" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="8155" PostId="3445" Score="3" Text="The OP may not be as talented as you or you may not have had a boss like his. If the OP is as strong willed, talented, perhaps lucky and other things, as you have been in your career, then the question is really unimportant - he will succeed regardless of maximizing his vacation time. I will give more thought to what you are saying, though. I am trying to understand how to interpret answers from this site for myself as well..." CreationDate="2015-12-15T17:47:51.227" UserId="42908" />
  <row Id="8162" PostId="3445" Score="1" Text="@Jim - The expectation of your job is where you are at.  Would I answer something suggesting that anyone could run a large tech group at a multinational?  No.  If someone were not good enough they would stay at current position, not skipping vacation given to them.  You are basically saying that I should have written the answer as if I was talking to a person who was very very lucky to be in their position that they don't have the skills for so they need to suck up and don't ever take vacation?" CreationDate="2015-12-15T23:08:35.093" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="8165" PostId="3449" Score="3" Text="I was one of the VTC's on the computer shut-down question.  I interpreted that question to fall squarely into the realm of following a company-specific policy." CreationDate="2015-12-17T00:28:19.050" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="8166" PostId="3449" Score="2" Text="Power-off is either company policy, or belongs in an electronics or efficiency area." CreationDate="2015-12-17T01:19:13.890" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8172" PostId="3449" Score="1" Text="They were placed on hold so they could be fixed. they were not closed." CreationDate="2015-12-17T16:13:34.437" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8234" PostId="3449" Score="0" Text="Another on-hold: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/60430/which-way-should-i-put-pens-in-a-container-pointing-up-or-down" CreationDate="2016-01-10T15:20:26.403" UserId="610" />
  <row Id="8167" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="I agree, and I've been guilty of agreeing with some of those simply because i did indeed feel that the question should be closed, but didn't feel any of the reasons listed truly nailed the reason." CreationDate="2015-12-17T06:42:46.157" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8168" PostId="3450" Score="3" Text="Remember that &quot;Offtopic &gt; Other&quot; allows you to add any comment you choose, There, your reasoning can be as nuanced as you like." CreationDate="2015-12-17T12:59:30.737" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8173" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere that's the problem though...  nuance takes a tremendous amount of time as evidenced by the many meta threads discussing exactly what the existing reasons should be. And people don't tend to want to put a lot of effort into questions they already feel shouldn't be around in the first place. So AndreiROM may be right that tweaking to the standard reasons may be needed." CreationDate="2015-12-18T04:42:58.700" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="8177" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="@djechlin - I agree that most people wouldn't bother. But I'm not sure it's possible to come up with enough &quot;standard&quot; reasons to make everyone happy. Personally, I don't think it's worth trying. If the current list doesn't suffice - make an effort and use &quot;Other&quot;. If it's not worth the effort, don't bother." CreationDate="2015-12-19T02:17:34.880" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8194" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere: see added paragraph." CreationDate="2015-12-25T07:14:09.407" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8195" PostId="3450" Score="0" Text="@keshlam - I agree. The system as it stands now, doesn't really let you change your mind and be more precise in your close reasons. Honestly, I often don't bother trying to be accurate. I can't see that it matters very much." CreationDate="2015-12-25T12:40:13.473" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8196" PostId="3450" Score="1" Text="It matters if we're trying to teach folks how to write a good question... I hope...." CreationDate="2015-12-25T19:29:29.023" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8169" PostId="3451" Score="1" Text="One, because you have to commute to work each day. Two, it's beside the point that it's not workplace specific - you can ask a question about neural networks on SO or datascience.SE or math.SE, or a question on how long water will take to boil under weird circumstances on physics.SE or cooking.SE, and if someone creates an interpersonalrelationships.SE the whole of workplace.SE's questions won't suddenly become off topic." CreationDate="2015-12-17T13:55:28.727" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="8170" PostId="3451" Score="0" Text="The second is admittedly weaker. It's not *a priori* company policy, the OP might not even realize the company has a policy. In a twist of irony the answer appears in the very close reason itself. I also felt the factors one would consider in absence of a company policy, or why a company might have a particular policy, as germane. Wouldn't surprise me if 7 people asked this, were closed and deleted because they really *did* need to Google it and read the answer &quot;check your company policy.&quot;" CreationDate="2015-12-17T13:57:20.377" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="8171" PostId="3451" Score="2" Text="@djechlin I also have to drive to the gym every day and plenty of people commute to college, but that doesn't make that question on-topic on Fitness or Academia. There is always overlap, but questions should be relevant to the core audience of the site. Simple logistics problems are not of interest to the site and hence attract off-topic votes. The second question is easily and only answered by checking the company policy, hence the easy close. While really good and useful questions are given leeway when it comes to being borderline on-topic, this isn't one." CreationDate="2015-12-17T16:12:18.370" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8176" PostId="3452" Score="0" Text="IMSHO, if this were true, and as common as you say, no one would ever ask a second question. And for the record, the only non-author edits I've noticed have involved formatting, or, occasionally, tags and/or grammar. But perhaps the workplace site is different from other Stack Exchange sites." CreationDate="2015-12-18T23:49:34.967" UserId="34181" />
  <row Id="8178" PostId="3452" Score="1" Text="&quot;It's up to the OP to argue and prove that his original question makes sense,&quot; - not really. Virtually no question authors are actually held to this standard. Just a few, and just when a bunch of folks decide that something in the question is offensive. Read through a few questions and you'll almost never find that anyone is forced to &quot;prove&quot; that their situation is really as they claim (assuming there is actually a way to prove anything here)." CreationDate="2015-12-19T13:13:15.477" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8179" PostId="3452" Score="0" Text="This topic is about use of **editing privileges** to remove OP concerns. Of course, guesses/hypotheses/assumptions can and should be challenged - and it's perfectly possible to do that usefully and effectively in comments and in answers. It's a less heavy-handed approach than editing, and it's far more transparent." CreationDate="2015-12-19T19:52:30.150" UserId="610" />
  <row Id="8180" PostId="3452" Score="0" Text="The question here is not about whether it's okay to challenge the premise of a question. It's about whether it is okay to remove gender information from a question when it is unclear whether the OP believes it to be important or not. Regardless of what actually happened, it is extremely important if the OP **perceives** discrimination (which, in this case, she did not)." CreationDate="2015-12-21T14:52:59.303" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8182" PostId="3453" Score="0" Text="It is reopened now." CreationDate="2015-12-22T21:40:20.767" UserId="233" />
  <row Id="8187" PostId="3453" Score="3" Text="Thanks for posting this here. I'm continually encouraged to see how many people are taking ownership and interest in meta!" CreationDate="2015-12-23T14:48:31.777" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8181" PostId="3454" Score="0" Text="I made a further edit to try to focus it more." CreationDate="2015-12-22T21:37:43.670" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8198" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="I didn't realize this was editable. Yes, please do this! I notice this particularly in comments which has even smaller font." CreationDate="2016-01-06T17:05:53.430" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8206" PostId="3456" Score="3" Text="Shameless self-promotion: [this answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/59082/25739) of mine contains half a dozen links to experiment with. It's sometimes difficult to see even unvisited links." CreationDate="2016-01-07T17:13:16.987" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11518" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="I suggest [bug] and [design] may also be appropriate tags." CreationDate="2017-02-10T17:48:58.853" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="11522" PostId="3456" Score="0" Text="I find the visited links very hard to see compared to the regular text color, too." CreationDate="2017-02-10T18:59:09.480" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8203" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="I've based my template off BWR4, please comment if you think it can still be improved." CreationDate="2016-01-07T16:16:53.710" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8207" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="[31 candidate questions to consider](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=closed%3Ayes+score%3A-10..-6)" CreationDate="2016-01-07T21:00:19.743" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8208" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="@gnat I've based this list off closed question from the past few (basically ones I cast delete votes on). The questions you linked should be handled as well, but should we keep those for Review #6 (&quot;Return of the Downvotes&quot;)? I think it makes sense to group those negative score questions together. I imagine a few can be improved or got unjustified downvotes but the majority are probably candidates for deletion and can be handled in a batch." CreationDate="2016-01-08T09:53:37.030" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8209" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="I see, your reasoning makes good sense" CreationDate="2016-01-08T09:58:10.563" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8210" PostId="3457" Score="1" Text="@gnat If you want you could even start BWR 6 concurrently. I wanted to step away from making it a weekly thing. The deadlines for previous reviews was possible because jmort was running it and as a mod he could clean up any unhandled questions himself. We don't want to saturate meta with too many threads or tackle too many questions in a single review but I'd argue that so many negative score questions do require cleanup." CreationDate="2016-01-08T10:03:33.780" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8211" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="that's an interesting idea, I need to think about it a bit" CreationDate="2016-01-08T12:45:13.953" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8216" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="Q4 has been deleted. Can it be undeleted for the benefit of those of us without 10k rep?" CreationDate="2016-01-08T16:06:45.057" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="8217" PostId="3457" Score="1" Text="@PhilipKendall I undeleted it. But if it doesn't get some love I probably will redelete it (it was auto-deleted by the built-in cleanup process). There are also almost 40 people now who can vote to delete (or undelete) questions, too, which should help in future cleanups!" CreationDate="2016-01-08T16:21:05.133" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8218" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="@PhilipKendall Deletion is one of the normal outcomes of the review process. It doesn't really make sense for us to undo the cleanup actions we're taking in this project. I suggest using google's [caching](http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_dNf-hE34J0J:workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/59975/why-were-bad-at-assessing-risk+&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us) if you want to view the page. Cached versions are typically available for a short time after deletion." CreationDate="2016-01-08T16:23:11.923" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8219" PostId="3457" Score="1" Text="My take on it (as mentioned [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2898/broken-windows-for-review-week-1)) is that there's no real need for sub-10K users to view deleted questions because they can't act on them (i.e. undelete) anyway. I'd be open to ideas on how to better present these questions on the review though if people think it's problematic." CreationDate="2016-01-08T16:24:43.403" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8221" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="@Lillenthal I think it should be the responsibility of the person proposing the question for review to ensure everybody can review it; it's not reasonable to expect every user to go and find the Google cache of the question on their own. Why not just start with the Google cache link in the question?" CreationDate="2016-01-09T11:42:56.653" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="8222" PostId="3457" Score="1" Text="@PhilipKendall I disagree. The purpose of the review is to group these questions and make it easier for users to weigh in without having to track them down themselves. Voting to delete is one of the tools at our disposal and if enough people decide to delete then the review is essentially over for that question. Checking the cache is a last-resort for people to satisfy their curiosity but it's frankly way too much effort for no gain to start mirroring the questions up for review. In the case of Q4, it was actually deleted by the [Community user](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/173513/)" CreationDate="2016-01-09T13:16:36.353" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8223" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure I understand the philosophy of &quot;Closed&quot; questions. Why aren't Closed questions just automatically deleted after a number of months? Do we just hang on forever to the hope that someone, sometime will eventually update the question and make it valuable? Seems like that might have been important in the early days. But it seems completely unnecessary today." CreationDate="2016-01-09T19:21:38.447" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8226" PostId="3457" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere There is auto-cleanup for closed questions with no upvoted answers, they are deleted by the Community user. In regards to the points you raise in your answer, that's precisely why we *want ill-fitting question to be closed quickly!* As long as they remain open they can be answered by users with good intentions despite the fact that question isn't clear or won't fit the site. It's why we get many questions with answers saying &quot;Check with a lawyer.&quot; That's true, and they harvest upvotes for them, but the question itself should be closed." CreationDate="2016-01-09T21:21:09.030" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8227" PostId="3457" Score="3" Text="And because of those answers, the questions aren't automatically deleted, which is the whole reason the BWR was started: to deal with closed questions that are lowering the quality of this site's content." CreationDate="2016-01-09T21:21:42.297" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8235" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - I understand. I just think the whole Broken Window Review concept is a waste of time to a problem that should be dealt with automatically by the system. Either leave everything around forever, or delete old, closed question automatically. Don't expect people to manually review a small batch of closed questions. Just my opinion." CreationDate="2016-01-10T17:51:37.103" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8236" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere In theory managing the questions for review wouldn't take long, just a simple vote to reopen/delete or an edit if you're feeling generous with your time or like the idea of the question. Discussing the questions on the meta thread is largely optional but can be a good way of improving a question that needs work but would be a good addition to the site. Full disclosure: the questions I listed here are ones I voted to delete. Since I realised there's no queue for them, I figured I'd restart the BWR to feature them since it was brought up in chat earlier." CreationDate="2016-01-10T18:25:37.423" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8237" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="IMHO - in a site with this number of questions, spending any manual time at all debating the merits of 8 or 10 questions is a waste of time. There's simply no impact on the site as a whole. Again, have at it since you have a personal reason for this batch. And I suppose it can't hurt. I just don't see that it really makes the site visibly better. It's just not an effective way to deal with the bigger problem (if one agrees that closed questions are really a problem)." CreationDate="2016-01-10T19:06:24.123" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8239" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I didn't realize the problem was quite this bad, you may be right. A full quarter of the questions on the site, [2500 out of 9500](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=closed%3Ayes+duplicate%3Ano) are closed." CreationDate="2016-01-10T23:31:28.403" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8240" PostId="3457" Score="1" Text="[1200 have a score of 0 or less.](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?page=42&amp;tab=votes&amp;q=closed%3ayes%20duplicate%3ano%20score%3a-30..-0). That's definitely quite the backlog." CreationDate="2016-01-10T23:34:00.950" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8241" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - it's best to look at the rate of arrival for new Closed questions. So, doing a broken window review for a couple of days for each 10 or so Closed question means - you'll never catch up." CreationDate="2016-01-11T00:17:18.097" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8242" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="Hmm, I guess I don't understand the numbers. closed:yes returns 3675. closed:no returns 5772. So what are the correct numbers?" CreationDate="2016-01-11T00:20:33.483" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8243" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere If you're referring to my search of *only* 2500 being closed, I added a filter excluding duplicates. If you mean how the total is off by one, I'm not too sure, could be a cache issue." CreationDate="2016-01-11T01:28:13.097" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8244" PostId="3457" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - so 3675 are actually closed (much more than a quarter of the questions on the site). Some of those are duplicates. Right?" CreationDate="2016-01-11T01:52:07.500" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8220" PostId="3459" Score="1" Text="I would agree. This could possibly be on topic at Law SE, but I can't say I understood what the question was asking." CreationDate="2016-01-08T21:01:29.420" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8231" PostId="3459" Score="1" Text="This has been deleted (presumably as a result of this review)." CreationDate="2016-01-10T04:08:15.157" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8224" PostId="3460" Score="2" Text="Disagree on this. The issue with it is that the OP never clearly clarified what he wanted to accomplish. Brag to management? Get input on useful courses to follow? Leverage this training for increased responsibilities? Argue a raise? Since the OP didn't come back to clarify the close is valid and I voted to delete. The answers are well-meant but not that useful given the lack of a core question." CreationDate="2016-01-09T21:16:16.343" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8249" PostId="3460" Score="0" Text="The OP also doubts him/herself *Are they worth bringing up* but does not say anything about what kind of MOOOCs (one fictitious example), or what industry. This question is too unspecific/broad." CreationDate="2016-01-12T10:49:38.093" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="8225" PostId="3461" Score="0" Text="Was reopened by Monica, check the comment history. Looks decent enough to be kept open to me." CreationDate="2016-01-09T21:18:47.730" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8229" PostId="3461" Score="1" Text="This question was edited and reopened after this review started.  (I cast the fifth reopen vote.)  It has, since then, picked up two close votes." CreationDate="2016-01-10T04:03:36.920" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8233" PostId="3461" Score="0" Text="The edit wasn't to improve the question. It was closed months ago. The edit was the OP begging  for it to be deleted. I think that the question would take a book to answer. The OP has union issues, and/or has bullying issues. They will need a top to bottom review of the company/work site. where was HR? what doe the Union contract say?..." CreationDate="2016-01-10T13:38:23.730" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="8250" PostId="3461" Score="0" Text="If it wasn't specifically about union pressure it would be like many other bullying questions. 3 decent answers boiling down to &quot;this is union promoted bullying&quot;. Suggest to leave open because this specific issue may happen more often, and can easily be found just by searching for `is:q union` (currently 19 questions)." CreationDate="2016-01-12T10:55:06.233" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="8253" PostId="3461" Score="0" Text="I actually like this question, maybe because I've worked in multiple environments where we had mixes of union/non-union." CreationDate="2016-01-13T16:57:58.143" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8228" PostId="3462" Score="1" Text="I somewhat disagree with the close reason used but feel that this is still off-topic. All answers basically boil down to: ask your scrum master / manager / team because each team will handles their meetings differently. Perhaps this would be better suited to the Project Management SE." CreationDate="2016-01-09T21:47:02.097" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8251" PostId="3462" Score="0" Text="Could also be related to the scrum variant chosen in practice. So yes, ask your scrum master/too narrow for here." CreationDate="2016-01-12T10:57:18.567" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="8230" PostId="3463" Score="1" Text="This currently has two delete votes." CreationDate="2016-01-10T04:06:03.280" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8232" PostId="3463" Score="1" Text="it has now been deleted" CreationDate="2016-01-10T13:26:47.157" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="8323" PostId="3463" Score="0" Text="Why delete this.  It doesnt hurt to be there to be found by search engines..." CreationDate="2016-02-04T20:00:19.583" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8238" PostId="3464" Score="2" Text="question as stated (&quot;how should I communicate with them to resolve this thing?&quot;) matches picked close reason because of missing this part: &quot;explain what you want to do to make it better&quot;" CreationDate="2016-01-10T19:55:33.387" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8245" PostId="3464" Score="0" Text="@gnat &quot;communicate with them&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-01-11T05:50:08.347" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="8246" PostId="3464" Score="1" Text="@djechlin That's an action, not a goal. As gnat said, the OP doesn't say what he wants to do. He'd &quot;like to continue using the tool&quot; but a lot of the details are missing. As Monica commented we don't know why his tool isn't allowed and how far OP would like to go in pushing his choice of tool through. He mentions configurations of the tool, which would imply that their support would have to support multiple tools and keep them up to date with their system. I'd vote to close as unclear over RQHA but I can see why people voted that." CreationDate="2016-01-11T08:54:59.217" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8247" PostId="3464" Score="0" Text="note how close reason uses word &quot;explain&quot;. Per my reading, quoted sentence doesn't qualify as explanation" CreationDate="2016-01-11T09:02:54.973" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8266" PostId="3466" Score="0" Text="I am very disappointed that this question was closed and deleted.  It is an india specific question of standard workplace practices in that region.  I strongly urge the mods to overrule this close/delete decision" CreationDate="2016-01-25T18:34:16.143" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8254" PostId="3467" Score="1" Text="ok, I did not read the question before it appeared in my mailbox. I'm still new to this SE, so editing a question that seem to be unanimously put on hold -and then closed- seemed a waste of time. Thanks for the answer." CreationDate="2016-01-13T17:42:06.143" UserId="8953" />
  <row Id="8256" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="Attempted an edit, care to take another look?" CreationDate="2016-01-14T12:36:07.680" UserId="48" />
  <row Id="8257" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="I voted to reopen. A few more votes are needed. That said, someone who knows Indian law may need to respond to the question." CreationDate="2016-01-14T12:43:26.787" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8258" PostId="3467" Score="0" Text="@yannis that's exactly what I understood from the original question. Wording was deficient, but the intent seemed clear enough to me. Thanks for your input." CreationDate="2016-01-14T17:02:45.383" UserId="8953" />
  <row Id="8265" PostId="3468" Score="0" Text="It is not company specific.  It is india specific which seeing as that encompasses 1/6 of the worlds population it is not to specific." CreationDate="2016-01-25T18:33:11.373" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8260" PostId="3469" Score="0" Text="&quot;A close vote is not a super down vote, but must close votes should be accompanied by a downvote! This allows the system to automatically clean up closed questions.&quot; - I don't understand. Under what conditions does the system automatically clean them up?" CreationDate="2016-01-14T19:00:49.360" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8261" PostId="3469" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/how-does-deleting-work-what-can-cause-a-post-to-be-deleted-and-what-does-that" CreationDate="2016-01-14T20:03:03.713" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8275" PostId="3470" Score="0" Text="What happens if no ads reach the 6 vote minimum?" CreationDate="2016-01-27T21:28:09.757" UserId="43977" />
  <row Id="8276" PostId="3470" Score="2" Text="Then you don't get any extra ads shown from the community, is all." CreationDate="2016-01-27T21:31:18.267" UserId="154" />
  <row Id="8377" PostId="3470" Score="0" Text="It's sad that after nearly a month, no one submitted anything... :/" CreationDate="2016-02-11T22:43:29.413" UserId="31957" />
  <row Id="8262" PostId="3471" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted, now with 80px more width! It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting." CreationDate="2016-01-15T03:32:33.387" UserId="154" />
  <row Id="8268" PostId="3472" Score="0" Text="Your embedded title question contains two different questions with different answers. Are you worried about the more specific &quot;How do I apply for a position with a company at which I have no point of contact?&quot; anything more general I think is way too big for one question, &quot;reference&quot; or not." CreationDate="2016-01-25T19:07:44.550" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="8264" PostId="3473" Score="0" Text="Agreed. But if you really think you could come up with a generic answer, do so. Then close upcoming questions as duplicates with a pointer back to the generically-answered original." CreationDate="2016-01-22T23:33:14.797" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8267" PostId="3474" Score="0" Text="+1, in particular, I think your last sentence is a much better proposal than &quot;try to think of all the non-duplicate situations and write answers to them in one mega-post&quot;" CreationDate="2016-01-25T19:04:33.980" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="8269" PostId="3474" Score="0" Text="Hmm good point. It just feels like these questions come up very often and a good 60-80% of them I can answer perfectly by saying &quot;*Don't do what you're suggesting (X), do this instead: [examples given in question].*&quot; I guess I don't mind the easy reputation but it feels like busywork. If I understand you correctly, you'd propose broadening the questions to &quot;Should I do X?&quot; to which the answer is &quot;No, because of A, B and C.&quot; and then have the advice of what you *should* do be an optional extra?" CreationDate="2016-01-25T20:07:38.923" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8270" PostId="3474" Score="0" Text="No Should I do X is not a good way to broaden questions.  Instead just remove the hyper local details and change it to ***How can I effectively accomplish goal X?***" CreationDate="2016-01-26T15:48:12.290" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8271" PostId="3474" Score="0" Text="Agreed. Trying to whittle down the essence of anything as dynamic as The Workplace into a handful of generic questions seems misguided to me. I also think that anything that compels/encourges people to mark even more questions than we already have as duplicates is misguided." CreationDate="2016-01-27T13:47:36.907" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8272" PostId="3475" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Should we reduce the Community Wiki threshold to 10 answers?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/280/should-we-reduce-the-community-wiki-threshold-to-10-answers)" CreationDate="2016-01-27T18:23:06.390" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8273" PostId="3475" Score="0" Text="CW threshold was set to 15 answers since Jan 2013" CreationDate="2016-01-27T18:23:45.380" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8274" PostId="3475" Score="0" Text="@gnat [Checks out](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1659/25739). The main &quot;What are CWs&quot; meta thread didn't mention any other sites except for SU [back in 2013](http://meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/11741/23). Add an answer if you'd like, otherwise I'll probably add it in for completion's sake." CreationDate="2016-01-27T18:46:59.757" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8279" PostId="3478" Score="2" Text="Hi Chad, feel free to create a tag cleanup post for that particular tag.  Once it's cleaned up, we can look at next steps if there is still support for a merge." CreationDate="2016-01-29T06:12:32.987" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="8305" PostId="3478" Score="0" Text="@jmort253 I think most of them have been cleaned up" CreationDate="2016-02-03T19:03:42.697" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8281" PostId="3479" Score="1" Text="Is it only on Workplace? Or everywhere on Stack Exchange? What Lilienthal put is probably the best bet, but a discussion here can be helpful too as there are sometimes site specific bugs too." CreationDate="2016-01-29T15:11:23.380" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8282" PostId="3479" Score="0" Text="Everywhere on SE.  I'm not able to attach images and the reproduction step is &quot;Hit Edit&quot; or &quot;Hit Close&quot; and things look weird." CreationDate="2016-01-29T21:28:38.217" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="8283" PostId="3479" Score="0" Text="And there is my solution.  A corpoarte update yesterday downgraded my browser to an unsupported version." CreationDate="2016-01-29T21:29:57.583" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="8304" PostId="3482" Score="0" Text="Here is the problem neither is a good tag for both.  Quitting is not necessarily resignation and vice versa.  I would support this if you can can come up with a tag synonym that does encompass both accurately and has the right feel for the site." CreationDate="2016-02-03T18:43:16.803" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8308" PostId="3482" Score="1" Text="@Chad Well, Merriam-Webster defines to quit as &quot;to give up employment&quot; while resignation is defined as &quot;an act of giving up a job or position in a formal or official way&quot;. Both seem to cover the act of an employee terminating his employment quite well. I would personally consider them synonyms though quitting is perhaps slightly more informal or emotional. Even if there is a significant distinction, I'm not sure it's worth having fragmented tags for a few hundred questions." CreationDate="2016-02-03T20:58:15.103" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8309" PostId="3482" Score="0" Text="They are related but not the same.  I am sure there is a word that would encompass them both and be an appropriate tag.  Quitting is more about the leaving of the job where resignation is more about the act of informing management of the decision" CreationDate="2016-02-03T21:00:45.667" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8426" PostId="3482" Score="0" Text="Ha, yes. Resigning is just a nicer way of saying quitting." CreationDate="2016-03-03T23:57:46.973" UserId="40440" />
  <row Id="8284" PostId="3483" Score="0" Text="Like this one? http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/61360/is-this-response-from-management-to-a-casual-harassment-claim-appropriate" CreationDate="2016-02-02T11:17:43.660" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8285" PostId="3483" Score="0" Text="Like this one? http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/55650/437" CreationDate="2016-02-02T11:18:30.933" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8286" PostId="3483" Score="8" Text="You realise that no one is forcing you to participate on this site right?" CreationDate="2016-02-02T11:50:59.180" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8287" PostId="3483" Score="3" Text="This is basically another rant against the &quot;common sense&quot; nature of Workplace question which has been covered before: [What goes through your mind when answering these questions?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3282/what-goes-through-your-mind-when-answering-these-questions)" CreationDate="2016-02-02T12:21:36.833" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8288" PostId="3483" Score="0" Text="Hmm, &quot;cuddlecakes&quot; doesn't seem like the proper term for this scenario." CreationDate="2016-02-02T12:45:13.057" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8293" PostId="3483" Score="0" Text="See also: [No such thing as a stupid question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3105/no-such-thing-as-a-stupid-question)" CreationDate="2016-02-02T17:20:42.783" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8295" PostId="3483" Score="13" Text="@Pequod if your goal is to make fun of other users let me be perfectly clear - **that attitude is not welcome here.** It seems rather ironic to be mocking other people for their inability to grasp &quot;common sense&quot; questions but demonstrating you seem unable to grasp basic common sense in actual interpersonal interactions yourself." CreationDate="2016-02-02T17:42:08.800" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8291" PostId="3484" Score="1" Text="I think an honest answer is more useful than a long winded explanation as to the pros and cons of turning the air conditioning down. An office environment isn't as complex as some people on here make it out to be. A lot of questions seem to come from the overthinking of a relatively simple situation. Not even a work related situation, a basics of human interaction situation." CreationDate="2016-02-02T15:52:04.937" UserId="37082" />
  <row Id="8292" PostId="3484" Score="8" Text="Further, norms and expectations vary.  We're a worldwide site; if I go into a workplace in Germany or Japan or Outer Mongolia and just assume that my American-bred &quot;common sense&quot; applies, I'm probably going to be in for some hurting." CreationDate="2016-02-02T15:55:53.077" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8376" PostId="3484" Score="0" Text="@Pequod While your point is certainly valid, &quot;you are overthinking this&quot; accompanied by reasons is still a lot more helpful than &quot;you are an idiot&quot;. It might be obvious to *you* that the asker is overthinking his situation, but not to him. If you are capable of helping him see better, why would you instead choose to poke him in the eye? That doesn't sound like common sense to me, but maybe I am overthinking this. :-)" CreationDate="2016-02-11T15:44:12.737" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8380" PostId="3484" Score="0" Text="Common sense changes from person to person. Let me give you an example: if I ask my parents (who grew up between various military regimes in their home country) about my last question, their answer would probably be something like &quot;shut up, do as you're told, save your neck whatever it takes&quot;. Their answer would have been acceptable back in their days, but not so much now." CreationDate="2016-02-13T18:56:49.457" UserId="34501" />
  <row Id="8307" PostId="3487" Score="1" Text="Programmers meta: [Why do 'some examples' and 'list of things' questions get closed?](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/7538/31260)" CreationDate="2016-02-03T19:22:03.563" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8353" PostId="3487" Score="0" Text="@gnat: It's an inconvenient truth, but MichaelT is right. http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/10769/437" CreationDate="2016-02-09T14:56:34.850" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8310" PostId="3488" Score="1" Text="Historical locks are supposed to be for questions that no longer meet criteria set out but did at the time they were asked.  This is not that.  At no time has this type of question been acceptable anywhere on SE.  (Yes I was around for NPR)" CreationDate="2016-02-03T21:33:36.700" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8311" PostId="3488" Score="1" Text="&quot;we can't deny that the question is popular &quot; - does popularity make a difference in this context?" CreationDate="2016-02-03T23:52:45.043" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8312" PostId="3488" Score="1" Text="[collaborative effort lock](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/182572/165773) looks worth considering. Though I think @JoeStrazzere makes quite a strong point that popularity in this case is irrelevant - it's fake, only from hot list lemmings, [flash in the pan](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/615/168) kind of" CreationDate="2016-02-04T07:31:10.327" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8313" PostId="3488" Score="1" Text="@Chad Despite the name, the description of historical locks has no criteria for the age of the question. It should not be used lightly on recent questions but I believe this may be more useful than outright deleting a question that many people found helpful." CreationDate="2016-02-04T07:41:47.387" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8314" PostId="3488" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Speaking of many people, I'm aware that the numbers are inflated by the HNQ, as I mentioned in my answer. Accounting for those, this particular question has significantly higher upvotes, favorites and considerably better spread of answer votes (beyond the top-voted) than other questions that have ~4K more views. That tells me that the question was well-received." CreationDate="2016-02-04T07:45:17.967" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8315" PostId="3488" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - I understand. But I had thought that how well the question was received, if it was popular or not, if it had answers, etc - none of that mattered if the question doesn't belong on The Workplace. Perhaps I am wrong. But if I am indeed wrong, then we are just encouraging off-topic, but popular questions and answers. (After all this time I still struggle with understanding the &quot;rules&quot; for declaring a question off-topic and/or deleting it. I don't see any consistency, and that leads me to think we are better off never deleting anything. Just my opinion.)" CreationDate="2016-02-04T12:06:53.323" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8316" PostId="3488" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere You're quite right that it probably shouldn't matter, but given that a full quarter of our questions are closed and *not* deleted, I'd say that deleting popular questions which are useful, even if they are off-topic, should not be our priority. The off-topic &quot;rules&quot; are incredibly ambiguous and ill-defined; I've taken to interpreting them as guidelines rather than hard-and-fast rules." CreationDate="2016-02-04T13:20:47.180" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8318" PostId="3488" Score="1" Text="If the question is truly useful then it should not be closed.  To me it is a much bigger broken window because of its popularity.  Removing the question removes the incentive to participate in this type of question, which will help keep them off of the hot list improving the site." CreationDate="2016-02-04T16:19:11.173" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8325" PostId="3488" Score="0" Text="@Chad Note that we almost never manage to keep questions like this off the HNQ because our userbase tends to answer too quickly and closevote too late. A mod usually has to step in to get it off HNQ or close it before it gets there, which they seem reluctant to do except for truly poor questions." CreationDate="2016-02-05T08:34:18.727" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8335" PostId="3488" Score="3" Text="@Lilienthal - all of this just reinforces for me my belief that trying to set up and enforce rules for deleting questions is a waste of time. Some questions are &quot;off topic&quot; but useful. Some are not useful but got a lot of votes. There's always a reason... All of this leads to a front page where half the questions are &quot;on hold&quot; most of the time, and where the userbase gets frustrated by the seemingly random enforcement of &quot;rules&quot;. I think we are getting way off track as a community. I think we'd be better off never deleting any questions, and probably never closing any questions. Oh well." CreationDate="2016-02-06T12:21:53.447" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8348" PostId="3488" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere I think one difficulty is that Workplace is all opinion based to some extent.  This makes it complicated, to say the least. But when I look through the [recent closed questions list](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?tab=newest&amp;q=closed%3a1) it feels like most of those are pretty appropriate closes - some duplicates, a lot of &quot;plz [research, write, etc] this for me&quot; types, a fair number of &quot;talk to a lawyer&quot; types, and the majority of the remainder seem to require reading someone's mind to answer." CreationDate="2016-02-09T02:38:17.053" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8350" PostId="3488" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere: Great points, Joe." CreationDate="2016-02-09T14:44:37.050" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8351" PostId="3488" Score="0" Text="Lilienthal: Historical locks were originally instated on Workplace.SE so that the founding fathers didn't suddenly lose rep points. http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/10769/437" CreationDate="2016-02-09T14:47:32.187" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8355" PostId="3488" Score="1" Text="@enderland - I agree it's difficult due to the nature of Workplace. On the other hand, approximately half of all questions on the front page are closed at any given time. To me that says that the rules aren't being understood, or that they are too aggressively applied, or both. That's a systemic problem. Just encouraging everyone to race to be the first to vote for closing lots of questions isn't a good thing for the community, IMHO. I don't believe it leads to better questions and answers - it sets a poor tone, frustrates members, and doesn't get them the help they are seeking. Just my $0.02." CreationDate="2016-02-09T15:01:09.647" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8359" PostId="3488" Score="1" Text="@JimG. historical locks aren't needed to preserve rep. Deleted posts keep author's rep if it was +3 or higher score and has been visible for at least 60 days. See [Reputation and Historical Archives](https://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/reputation-and-historical-archives/)" CreationDate="2016-02-09T16:47:58.117" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8361" PostId="3488" Score="0" Text="@gnat: Correct, but it's a disingenuous compromise in the sense that when other people ask very similar questions, they get *immediately* closed and deleted." CreationDate="2016-02-09T20:51:58.103" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8362" PostId="3488" Score="2" Text="@JimG. From what I can tell very few questions on this site ever get deleted, and it certainly doesn't happen immediately. Quick closes are good because they prevent people from answering a question that's been identified as off-topic or that needs to be improved to focus on the core question. And if you're comparing current standards to the original guidelines from the site's launch then it's only natural that our scope is better defined now." CreationDate="2016-02-09T21:07:52.430" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8363" PostId="3488" Score="0" Text="@JimG. this compromise is not much disingenious, people don't complain much about rep loss from quickly deleted questions, as opposed to that coming from &quot;grandfathered&quot; ones (there was a black weekend in beginning 2012 when MSE was practically paralyzed by such complaints, which in turn led to introducing this trick)" CreationDate="2016-02-09T21:24:15.187" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8365" PostId="3488" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal lots get deleted - it's amazing how often people seem to want to sell various products here! Oh you mean _normal_ posts? You can look through [the recently deleted questions here (10k only, I think)](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/tools) and see what the recent deletions are. It looks like nearly all are either spam or heavily downvoted questions the community user deletes." CreationDate="2016-02-10T00:05:55.027" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8366" PostId="3488" Score="0" Text="@enderland Yes, I was referring to manual deletion votes only." CreationDate="2016-02-10T00:06:57.353" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8317" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="Wesley there are rules for the site.  One is that all answers will explain why they are right not just say what the answer is.,  You just choose to ignore that rule consistantly" CreationDate="2016-02-04T16:03:35.227" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8319" PostId="3489" Score="2" Text="Well pardon the hell out of me for trying to be helpful rather than being a pedantic .... Person.  I believe personal experience is still a valid &quot;Back it up&quot; source, last I checked." CreationDate="2016-02-04T16:22:01.743" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="8320" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="I did not say that personal experience was not valid.  But you are not doing explaining why in your personal experience makes you believe this.  That is the most important part.  Saying in my expereince is not enough if you dont explain why." CreationDate="2016-02-04T16:56:55.223" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8321" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="You know, Chad, I understand you don't like me.  This is not the first time we've locked horns.  I believe I have followed the letter and spirit of the site's guidelines.  Just because I dove to the meat of the issue rather than spreading garnishes out everywhere doesn't mean I didn't make the meal.  The answer was on THINGS I'VE SEEN that, looking back, were warning signs that a client/company was about to fail.  That, incidentally, is what was asked for." CreationDate="2016-02-04T17:54:48.367" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="8322" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="It is not that I dont like you.  There are basic rules and you have been around long enough that you should understand them and at least try to play by them.  Why are those things warning signs?  How can I tell if they are warning signs or just a quirk of my company if I do not understand that?  That is why we have the rule of explain your answer not just say what it is" CreationDate="2016-02-04T19:55:48.827" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8324" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="@Chad citing personal experience without going into details meets our minimum &quot;back it up&quot; requirement.  Obviously the more specifics an answer provides the stronger it is, and you're free to ask for further explanation, downvote, write a competing answer, ignore the question entirely, vote to close if you think it's close-worthy, bring it up on meta (as you did), and so on.  But Wesley is not ignoring the rules as I understand them." CreationDate="2016-02-05T03:06:52.593" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8326" PostId="3489" Score="2" Text="@Chad Please remember that this is a community-run site and many rules/guidelines are intentionally kept vague to allow room for discretion. We have voting thresholds and meta to build consensus but at the end of the day it could be that your view of how this site should work is different from someone else's. It's fine to argue your point but please don't resort to absolutes like &quot;you are just wrong based on how I see the rules&quot; as it's very confrontational. I've had my share of disagreements on this site and its chat but in some cases you just have to conclude that you see things differently." CreationDate="2016-02-05T08:47:07.037" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8333" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio - It is not the experince that needs details it is that the answer must explain why it is correct.  That is the part that is consistantly missing.  The rule i quite clear that just saying what the answer is, is not enough." CreationDate="2016-02-05T15:59:20.647" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8336" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="@WesleyLong - I upvoted your answer, because I agree with your sentiment. For good or for bad, the culture of this community is &quot;we got rules&quot;. And sometimes the rules are viewed as more important than actually helping or encouraging the userbase. Virtually all the questions that have been put &quot;on hold&quot; or have been deleted held value for some users. I agree that this question has value for you, and for (many?) others. But the rules allow it to be put on hold and the rules allow it to be deleted. Personally, I don't like the way some of these rules work in practice. But I'm not in charge." CreationDate="2016-02-06T12:29:28.943" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8339" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere so propose a change to the rules.  Thats the thing about this you can change the rules if you dont like them but we do not do it unilaterally." CreationDate="2016-02-08T15:27:39.957" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8340" PostId="3489" Score="3" Text="@Chad - I've already proposed eliminating most of these rules. I tend to be a strong believer in avoiding rules that aren't consistently followed, rules that are so vague most people cannot apply them, and those that don't have the desired effect. It doesn't appear that enough folks share my sentiment. So I struggle to understand which rules apply in each circumstance. I think the lack of consistency hurts this community. But it will survive anyway, if not in the manner I think would be even better." CreationDate="2016-02-08T15:36:06.213" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8341" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere - I agree.  But instead of abandoning the rules I think they just need to be enforced.  But I agree that inconsistent application of the rules is very bad for the site." CreationDate="2016-02-08T18:51:30.267" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8342" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="@Chad - I suppose moderators could decide to single-handedly strictly enforce all rules as they interpret them. That doesn't seem to be the vibe here. Absent that, it doesn't seem to be possible to get any significant percentage of the user base to agree on an interpretation of most of the rules - never mind to enforce them. I see this as a lost cause in a community like this, thus my preference to abandon rules that aren't going to be enforced." CreationDate="2016-02-08T18:56:54.327" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8349" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="WesleyLong: I agree with you, yet I thought Chad was right as far as &quot;this question does not conform to the rules of the site.&quot; I'm definitely willing to change my opinion on this, I just didn't know that the new sheriffs (a.k.a. moderators) had changed the rules of the site. If I had asked this question a few years ago, one of the diamond mods would've closed it within minutes; even if it was Saturday morning. http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/3007/437" CreationDate="2016-02-09T14:43:24.383" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8352" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere: 100% agree. Rules have never been followed consistently. If I had asked this question, it would have been deleted by a diamond mod within minutes; even if it was Saturday morning.http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/10769/437" CreationDate="2016-02-09T14:53:45.793" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8356" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="@JimG. - have the rules actually been changed? I don't think so. I just think they get more or less aggressively interpreted at times. It seems to go in waves. I think the mods do the best they can under the circumstances." CreationDate="2016-02-09T15:04:32.517" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8357" PostId="3489" Score="1" Text="@JimG. do you actually have any evidence to support your claims?" CreationDate="2016-02-09T15:28:18.690" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8360" PostId="3489" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio: Yes. Years ago, I asked my very first question on Workplace.SE. It was a Saturday morning. I was so excited. I had enormously high expectations for this site. Within minutes, a pro tempore diamond mod, who is no longer a part of the community, closed it. There was no consideration, no deliberation. Just closed it. It was extremely frustrating and annoying. I never asked many questions that I wanted to ask because I knew that pro tempore moderator was still in power. Such a shame." CreationDate="2016-02-09T19:09:05.653" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8328" PostId="3491" Score="0" Text="Small note: there's special syntax for tags: `[tag:workplace-rhythm]`. Use `meta-tag` to link tags on meta." CreationDate="2016-02-05T09:22:37.747" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8334" PostId="3491" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal ty this was my first meta Q" CreationDate="2016-02-05T20:07:55.007" UserId="19290" />
  <row Id="8338" PostId="3491" Score="0" Text="This tag just makes me picture everyone dancing through the hallways at work." CreationDate="2016-02-08T13:34:21.827" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8327" PostId="3492" Score="0" Text="&quot;*If so, do that in a few batches, not all at once?*&quot; Why? Edit limits kick in after 4 or 5 questions but that just means you have to wait some time inbetween saving the edits. Do you mean to avoid saturating the updated question queue?" CreationDate="2016-02-05T09:20:30.110" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8329" PostId="3492" Score="3" Text="it avoids having the entire front page full of these. Every edit bumps to the front page" CreationDate="2016-02-05T13:07:48.480" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="8330" PostId="3492" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal yeah, I meant let's not flood the front page all at once and push out new (or newly-active) questions that haven't had a chance to draw attention yet.  If we keep it down to 8-10 at a time, or if people edit them when they come across them, we can clean it up without disruption." CreationDate="2016-02-05T14:23:41.883" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8331" PostId="3492" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio Ah okay. I don't ever use the front page myself, I always check the newest questions instead." CreationDate="2016-02-05T14:35:39.517" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8332" PostId="3492" Score="1" Text="The front page is useful for seeing new answers come in.  Both views have their merits." CreationDate="2016-02-05T15:18:15.867" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8337" PostId="3492" Score="0" Text="[tag:workplace-environment] or [tag:company-culture] seem viable candidates for most. I could only see two questions with only one tag: [Take your child to work day](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/490/take-your-child-to-work-day), and one where I'm genuinely sure which meaning of rhythm is intended: [Would listening to music be a good solution to avoid office keyboard sound](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/42721/would-listening-to-music-be-a-good-solution-to-avoid-office-keyboard-sound)" CreationDate="2016-02-07T20:02:42.953" UserId="610" />
  <row Id="8403" PostId="3493" Score="0" Text="I do not either but I would prefer some 3rd term that encompassed both. Like seperation or departure" CreationDate="2016-02-22T19:39:42.413" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8404" PostId="3493" Score="2" Text="Both quitting and resignation have to do with the employee deciding to leave their job. Separation and departure include dismissals, and I think most of the time, users explicitly distinguish between dismissal and resignation. I'm still struggling to see what the practical downside of merging into resignation is." CreationDate="2016-02-22T19:58:13.810" UserId="610" />
  <row Id="8405" PostId="3493" Score="0" Text="because the 2 things are as different as crash landing and regular landing." CreationDate="2016-02-22T20:45:01.073" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13163" PostId="3493" Score="0" Text="The tag names still need to be things that users asking those questions will naturally type.  Those words seem to be &quot;quitting&quot; and &quot;resigning&quot; (or &quot;resignation&quot;).  Tags don't have to be pedantically exacting; they need to function as buckets into which to group questions.  These all belong in one bucket and the names in use seem fine, barring a specific suggestion that's better without having unwanted connotations like &quot;separation&quot; does." CreationDate="2017-07-31T20:52:17.920" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8354" PostId="3494" Score="1" Text="&quot;somewhat suffers&quot; seems to be a bit understatement when an answer opening with [&quot;Just to add to the list...&quot;](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/61513/168) gets three legitimate upvotes (legitimate as in, answer matches what was asked in the question). [Real questions have answers](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/01/real-questions-have-answers/)... &quot;not _items_ or _ideas_ or _opinions_&quot;" CreationDate="2016-02-09T14:58:31.850" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8358" PostId="3494" Score="1" Text="So change the rules to allow for this type of question." CreationDate="2016-02-09T16:29:51.317" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8367" PostId="3496" Score="4" Text="&quot;Coworkers say thing that I find offensive. How do can handle it?&quot; - that question has already been asked and answered." CreationDate="2016-02-10T00:46:01.827" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8369" PostId="3496" Score="3" Text="I edited a lot of the commentary out of it, which was unrelated at best. I think now it's ok but it's nearly an exact duplicate of the question @JoeStrazzere linked." CreationDate="2016-02-10T15:32:50.523" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8370" PostId="3496" Score="0" Text="In the existing question it is implied that the offensive remarks would be about a protected group and the answers focus on that fact.  I'd say they are close but fundamentally different." CreationDate="2016-02-10T16:09:16.213" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="8372" PostId="3496" Score="0" Text="related: [Aggressive Edits](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2153/168)" CreationDate="2016-02-10T20:39:28.200" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8368" PostId="3499" Score="0" Text="+1: Very well said." CreationDate="2016-02-10T14:04:55.523" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8371" PostId="3499" Score="3" Text="It seems here that the OP wants to be told they can sue their employer... I do not think they have any interest in how to actually solve the problem." CreationDate="2016-02-10T18:38:29.803" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8373" PostId="3500" Score="1" Text="If you feel it was out of line, roll it back." CreationDate="2016-02-10T21:48:16.137" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="8378" PostId="3503" Score="2" Text="You are asking for opinions. By the rules, that is off-topic." CreationDate="2016-02-12T23:47:51.827" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8379" PostId="3503" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Just post that as an answer because it's pretty much true. I don't see how this would ever make a good question." CreationDate="2016-02-12T23:57:55.700" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8402" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="Don't forget about http://webapps.stackexchange.com/ for questions that are specific to that platform, and less about the concept being discussed more generally (i.e. they wouldn't apply to other professional sites, some of which do exist)." CreationDate="2016-02-21T17:32:45.877" UserId="37509" />
  <row Id="8416" PostId="3506" Score="0" Text="unfortunately my experience with Linkdln is limited to receiving unsolicited spam all the time (I don't have a Linkdln account). The few profiles of people I know that I have read were a pack of lies. So I don't think much of it and therefore don't see it as valid for the Workplace'... just a mild opinion though" CreationDate="2016-02-27T21:32:28.943" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="8381" PostId="3507" Score="0" Text="Agreed. Basically if the question can substitute LinkedIn for any similar service or platform then it should be fine. While editing the question I actually considered removing references to the site but I had to admit that I don't actually know of any alternatives and it seemed silly to try to generalise a concept that would be immediately understood with the two words &quot;LinkedIn recommendation&quot;." CreationDate="2016-02-15T16:41:25.947" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8382" PostId="3507" Score="1" Text="Hmm. So asking how to connect with colleagues on Facebook, Pinterest and Twitter would likewise be on-topic? Or is there something special about LinkedIn?" CreationDate="2016-02-15T16:56:47.303" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8383" PostId="3507" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'm... not sure... that's a really good question :-) It feels like LinkedIn is more &quot;on topic&quot; than Failbook. I mean Facebook. :)" CreationDate="2016-02-15T17:00:39.503" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8384" PostId="3507" Score="0" Text="@enderland - so that does answer the question. You believe questions regarding one website/product are more on topic than other, similar websites/products. If it were a piece of software (&quot;how to I use Word to print thank-you letters for the interview contacts I have listed in my Excel spreadsheet?&quot;) - that would presumably be on-topic as well? (just trying to expand and explore the thought process here)." CreationDate="2016-02-15T17:05:29.683" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8385" PostId="3507" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I think it might be that the focus of LinkedIn is professional/workplace related. But the others are not. Though I'm really not definitively sure on this." CreationDate="2016-02-15T17:06:42.623" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8386" PostId="3507" Score="0" Text="We have plenty of question about using Glassdoor, which I think falls into a similar category. LinkedIn is to Facebook as Glassdoor is to Yelp? They perform similar functions, but the former is more focused on the professional workplace environment." CreationDate="2016-02-15T18:56:07.373" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8387" PostId="3507" Score="0" Text="Right. But are questions about using Glassdoor considered on-topic? If we are expected to selectively permit questions about some websites, but not others, it would be nice to have a list of &quot;allowed&quot; versus &quot;not allowed&quot;." CreationDate="2016-02-15T23:08:22.333" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8388" PostId="3507" Score="4" Text="@JoeStrazzere I don't think it's a black/white list for sites, but just comes down to &quot;Is the question about the workplace?&quot; - and due to their nature, almost every question about LinkedIn/Glassdoor is about the workplace. But I'd still see a question like &quot;Should I be friends with my manager on Facebook?&quot; as on-topic here due to the impact that could have on the professional relationship." CreationDate="2016-02-16T21:33:59.783" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="8389" PostId="3508" Score="3" Text="This _is_ the way to dispute it.  Edit the question so that it's clearer as to what you're asking, then raise a question here indicating why it's not a duplicate." CreationDate="2016-02-17T20:52:13.637" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="8390" PostId="3508" Score="0" Text="Thank you.  Good to know I took the right approach" CreationDate="2016-02-17T21:04:39.700" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8397" PostId="3508" Score="0" Text="see also: [Someone flagged my question as already answered, but it's not](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/194476/165773) and [What can I do if I believe that my question was wrongly marked as a duplicate?](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/253521/839601)" CreationDate="2016-02-18T05:17:49.913" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8391" PostId="3510" Score="3" Text="I think the answers to the linked question apply equally well in your case. I think the reason behind seeking a job for which you are overqualified need to be conveyed to the interviews no matter what those reasons are. And quelling any fears the interviewer might have are the key to success. All of these thoughts are contained in answers to the linked question." CreationDate="2016-02-17T22:01:44.513" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8392" PostId="3510" Score="0" Text="I'd be happy to vote to re-open your question, but I don't think you'll get a different set of answers. VIOLA - it's done!" CreationDate="2016-02-17T22:02:33.293" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8393" PostId="3510" Score="0" Text="Thank you Joe.  I might not get any more or different answers but it's worth a shot.  Again, thank you." CreationDate="2016-02-17T22:04:58.237" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8394" PostId="3510" Score="1" Text="Unfortunately I agree that your question is indeed a duplicate. The reasons why you'd be working at a lower level are different, but the outcome is the same: an overqualified individual seeking work at a &quot;lower level&quot;. I sense that what you're seeking is a medical-minded approach to how to phrase why you're overqualified, at which point Worplace SE is not really the place to ask that question ..." CreationDate="2016-02-17T22:05:46.907" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8395" PostId="3510" Score="0" Text="I think you should read through the other answers. They have some good advice contained in them." CreationDate="2016-02-17T22:05:58.620" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8396" PostId="3510" Score="3" Text="Why did you accept an answer already, if you wanted more? What do you think re-opening this question will do for you if you already think you found the answer? (confusing...)" CreationDate="2016-02-17T22:12:53.280" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8399" PostId="3510" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Is there a process in place to dispute a &quot;duplicate&quot; flag?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3508/is-there-a-process-in-place-to-dispute-a-duplicate-flag)" CreationDate="2016-02-18T12:53:37.390" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="8398" PostId="3511" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the answer! So would discussions about how to use Monster.com more efficiently also be on topic? How about help with a formula for Excel - would that be on topic as well? In general, as long as the website or software tool is for professionals, that makes questions specifically about it on-topic?" CreationDate="2016-02-18T12:37:12.477" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8400" PostId="3511" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I've edited answers to your questions above, obviously they are my opinion only, but I think there is some wiggle room for software thats on-topic." CreationDate="2016-02-18T20:38:24.350" UserDisplayName="user9158" />
  <row Id="8401" PostId="3511" Score="4" Text="Thanks for the enhancements. I agree with your assessment that it isn't a binary yes/no answer. I suspect there will continue to be disagreements with on/off-topic votes here. And I suspect it will continue to confuse new community members. Perhaps that's the best we can do." CreationDate="2016-02-19T12:15:51.430" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8406" PostId="3513" Score="0" Text="Ah, yes that's what I see. So I could vote to close 24 (presumably _other_) questions? Got it, that makes sense." CreationDate="2016-02-23T15:30:30.337" UserId="32713" />
  <row Id="8407" PostId="3513" Score="0" Text="@KlaymenDK yup. That's.. not super clear when you VTC a question, now that you mention it" CreationDate="2016-02-23T15:30:51.520" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8409" PostId="3515" Score="1" Text="Unless there's a Home Decoration SE which specifically allowed subjective questions, this would be off-topic on the entire network as you're asking for opinions." CreationDate="2016-02-25T11:38:31.673" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8410" PostId="3515" Score="0" Text="...which was exactly my (sad) expectation, and why I posted on Meta. I'll find another watering hole for it. :)" CreationDate="2016-02-25T11:41:09.930" UserId="32713" />
  <row Id="8411" PostId="3515" Score="5" Text="You might try [chat] for this - it's a good place for these sorts of opinion questions, which are a better fit for discussion." CreationDate="2016-02-25T12:21:22.583" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8412" PostId="3515" Score="1" Text="I don't see why this would be off-topic in The Workplace. Seems as on-topic as many questions like this: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/59295/how-can-we-promote-informal-water-cooler-moments-in-a-remote-only-organization or this: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3105/team-building-activities-for-a-fast-growing-team" CreationDate="2016-02-25T12:32:25.843" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8413" PostId="3515" Score="1" Text="&quot;What's a good use for such an area? What's a fun use for such an area? &quot; - couches, and a few tables+chairs for coffee, snacks, and quiet chats." CreationDate="2016-02-25T13:55:22.500" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8414" PostId="3515" Score="0" Text="We do have couches (that nobody uses), and we do have coffe tables by the kitchenette." CreationDate="2016-02-25T13:58:33.157" UserId="32713" />
  <row Id="8415" PostId="3515" Score="0" Text="[The fourth place: Polling, Recommendations and subjective-ish stuff](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/57383/165773)" CreationDate="2016-02-25T17:07:14.487" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8408" PostId="3516" Score="0" Text="Ah, I was just one click away, then. I don't think I ever noticed the topmost yellow box. O_o" CreationDate="2016-02-25T11:35:54.620" UserId="32713" />
  <row Id="8417" PostId="3519" Score="1" Text="I think example questions would be helpful - the biggest problem I've seen from these sorts of questions is that they tend to be way too broad and general to be answerable outside a dissertation." CreationDate="2016-02-28T01:31:52.357" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8418" PostId="3519" Score="0" Text="As an example I posted a question, which is now closed, about two person drama.  The answer was weird.   Why would experts on drama create drama on a question about drama in direct opposition to correct advice just given to ignore drama. Drama is certainly something this exchange does not need. I want to break the triangle formed in this exchange by enlighting as opposed to participating in the triangle. Fundamentally, I may have opened a can of worms best left closed with karpman drama theory.  I have not been on this exchange long enough to know the consensus on managerial theory." CreationDate="2016-02-28T02:31:44.227" UserId="43413" />
  <row Id="8419" PostId="3519" Score="1" Text="related (possibly a duplicate): [What should we do with questions about personal dilemmas with no right answer?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/410/168)" CreationDate="2016-02-28T09:07:26.417" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8420" PostId="3519" Score="3" Text="@gnat how is that anywhere near a dupe?  That's the personal-advice question; this appears to be a question about formal management theory.  (I say &quot;appears to be&quot; because this question is a little unclear to me; examples would help.  But I don't see any connection to the question you linked.)" CreationDate="2016-02-28T21:57:47.360" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8421" PostId="3519" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I'll be happy if it's not a dupe. As long as &quot;handling tough workplace situations&quot; _really_ doesn't have any connection with &quot;personal dilemmas with no right answer&quot; I would welcome questions about this" CreationDate="2016-03-01T13:29:53.330" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8422" PostId="3519" Score="0" Text="Reworded this question could read: Should theory surrounding personal dilemmas be brought up?   When I get some time I may try to add a neutral example." CreationDate="2016-03-01T18:21:13.997" UserId="43413" />
  <row Id="8423" PostId="3522" Score="0" Text="Yes, I think you strayed over the borderline a bit here. You are positing how a lawsuit would proceed, and offering suggestions on legal tactics, IMHO." CreationDate="2016-03-03T18:44:54.130" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8424" PostId="3524" Score="1" Text="IMHO, if you aren't a lawyer, it's always a mistake to provide legal advice (for the same reason most of us shouldn't be providing medical advice). We don't let people write questions asking for legal advice. And even if they haven't asked for it, I don't see how providing legal advice in an answer is any better. (I don't make the rules here, I just attempt to understand and follow them.)" CreationDate="2016-03-03T19:02:55.690" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8425" PostId="3524" Score="0" Text="If you aren't a lawyer you shouldn't be dispensing legal advice (arguably the same for managers, recruiters, programmers, etc), but just because somebody says something that sounds *kind of like it might be in the space of one of those areas* doesn't make it something that needs to be removed.  And if a lawyer is so foolish as to actually *give* legal advice on the Internet that's *his* problem, and we should evaluate it based on its *usefulness*, not on its *formulation*.  This is my opinion (not speaking with mod authority).  And we all make the rules here, together, aside from SE givens." CreationDate="2016-03-03T20:24:12.813" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8433" PostId="3525" Score="0" Text="I'm confused again. If the math is wrong on a physics question, or if the physics is wrong on an electronics question then those questions get downvoted. The downvote is typically reversed when the theory is corrected. Also, experts are highly specific with language. For example, if a physicist thinks divergence is a difference of opinion or if an electronics specialist thinks a phasor is from Star Trek then their opinions instantly cease being held in high regard." CreationDate="2016-03-04T19:13:39.317" UserId="43413" />
  <row Id="8434" PostId="3525" Score="0" Text="If you are focused on a physics question, then of course you can use math to discuss it. If you start discussing pure math in a physics area,  it will be ruled offtopic; the general is not approved even though the specific is. Re language:  that is precisely the problem; you responded to a word by assuming we were using the other meaning, and you can't expect this crowd to be familiar with or to discuss everything in terms oif your model. Which is part of why I think that while you have a valid discussion topic, this isn't the place for it." CreationDate="2016-03-04T22:12:57.617" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8436" PostId="3525" Score="0" Text="+1 @keshlam I finally see your point of view...  Defining the lines between which definition goes with which discipline can sometimes be quite subjective, so at some point it is necessary to forgo ones own opinion and simply go with the flow." CreationDate="2016-03-05T01:46:22.410" UserId="43413" />
  <row Id="8429" PostId="3526" Score="0" Text="Online vs. offline can be different (visibility, durability, volatility), but I agree that a question that applies to LinkedIn should also be able to apply to other online career-profile sites including SO Careers." CreationDate="2016-03-04T14:07:26.290" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8438" PostId="3526" Score="0" Text="So do you feel that questions about how to use LinkedIn *not* on-topic?" CreationDate="2016-03-05T19:00:33.707" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8439" PostId="3526" Score="0" Text="Questions about how to use LinkedIn, specifically, should probably be directed to LinkedIn support. I don't think they have a presence here. Questions about how to use online resumes in general would be more within scope. Or we can explicitly define them as within scope, if folks really prefer that; it's over the edge of where I think we've recently bounded workspace but that's just one man's interpretation." CreationDate="2016-03-05T19:07:52.327" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8427" PostId="3527" Score="7" Text="One thing to keep in mind is that if it takes a book to answer, it's _probably_ out of scope for a Q/A site (there is also a &quot;too broad&quot; close reason)." CreationDate="2016-03-04T13:51:03.647" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8428" PostId="3527" Score="0" Text="It's not a big book, and the answers given to him were not broad.  and as I've said, it's a topic many people face in this day in age.  Including the Atari computer programmer who designed &quot;ET&quot; who later became a psychologist." CreationDate="2016-03-04T14:02:18.637" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8457" PostId="3527" Score="1" Text="ET was a massive flop with countless copies becoming landfill... just saying" CreationDate="2016-03-13T07:52:26.367" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="8430" PostId="3528" Score="0" Text="Of COURSE there are definitive answers on how to change careers, with very specific steps to take.  I learned a whole bunch when I went through vocational rehab.  There is a very clear, step by step process of outreach, networking, filling education gaps, finding a mentor, and moving into the new career." CreationDate="2016-03-04T14:07:42.153" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8432" PostId="3528" Score="3" Text="I'm not convinced those are universal steps." CreationDate="2016-03-04T16:30:48.750" UserDisplayName="user29055" />
  <row Id="8437" PostId="3528" Score="2" Text="@RichardU - if you already have the book with the *definitive answers* - why would you need to ask the question here? The answer would appear that you are looking for **other opinions** - which also appears to be the reason the question was put on hold." CreationDate="2016-03-05T18:57:36.983" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8440" PostId="3528" Score="0" Text="Not my question, @JoeStrazzere" CreationDate="2016-03-07T13:10:40.667" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8431" PostId="3529" Score="1" Text="Okay, I'm confused then.  I'm going to open another question as to why some similar questions (or at least appear similar to me) are flagged and others are not.  I'm trying to get a better understanding, as I'm getting tired of writing answers to questions that get killed" CreationDate="2016-03-04T15:38:34.453" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8435" PostId="3529" Score="0" Text="@RichardU: I'm looking forward to that question." CreationDate="2016-03-04T23:47:40.827" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8441" PostId="3530" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the feedback. Regarding the &quot;my client would not file a lawsuit&quot; bit: My thinking about this was that the service provider could sue for breach of contract." CreationDate="2016-03-08T14:10:13.907" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="8442" PostId="3530" Score="0" Text="@GreenMatt and that's where we really are getting in to dangerous legal waters, because none of us know what the contract says/what the status of the contract currently is. If you have some reason to think this could get sticky, you may want to suggest &quot;contact an attorney&quot; as part of your answer, but if it isn't to the point where it merits talking to a real lawyer, it probably isn't worth the conjecture in the answer, no?" CreationDate="2016-03-08T14:54:42.433" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="8443" PostId="3530" Score="0" Text="The answer has been updated." CreationDate="2016-03-08T15:09:19.977" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="8444" PostId="3531" Score="0" Text="That's not a bad approach. But it would be easy to suggest that the topic of &quot;How do I include recommendations for a mentor?&quot; would fit nicely in a FAQ for LinkedIn." CreationDate="2016-03-09T11:53:53.180" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8445" PostId="3531" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere, I agree! But asking *how do I do X on  LinkedIn?* is a fundamentally different question than asking about *how socially acceptable is doing X on LinkedIn?*. The first deals with mechanics specific to LinkedIn (and should therefore be considered off-topic), the second deals with social consequences (and should therefore be on-topic)." CreationDate="2016-03-09T15:01:27.067" UserId="47632" />
  <row Id="8446" PostId="3531" Score="2" Text="If the OP had removed all references to LinkedIn, and just asked &quot;Is it socially acceptable to write a recommendation for a mentor I didn't work for on social media?&quot; it would make it easier to consider it on-topic. Maybe." CreationDate="2016-03-09T15:05:50.587" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8447" PostId="3532" Score="1" Text="Do you mean on the front page, for when you're scanning question titles, or somewhere else?" CreationDate="2016-03-09T15:52:55.313" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8448" PostId="3532" Score="1" Text="When you're scanning question titles.  It would just be easier to skip if the link, or even the text showed up as red, or something that would identify them quickly, or even an asterisk to the left... anything, really." CreationDate="2016-03-09T15:54:35.737" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8449" PostId="3532" Score="0" Text="Don't all of those questions already say &quot;[on hold]&quot; or &quot;[closed]&quot; or &quot;[duplicate]&quot; at the end of the title?" CreationDate="2016-03-09T18:48:52.610" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8450" PostId="3532" Score="0" Text="@DavidK yes, they do, at the end.  I just think it would make scanning easier, especially with 50-75% of the questions ending up in this status, depending on the day." CreationDate="2016-03-09T18:53:27.363" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8451" PostId="3532" Score="0" Text="A mod can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm guessing this kind of functionality does not exist for individual sites and is something you'd have to petition Meta.SE for." CreationDate="2016-03-10T03:19:06.697" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8458" PostId="3532" Score="0" Text="I suppose putting the &quot;[On Hold]&quot; status at the *front* of the title line rather than at the end would accomplish the same thing, without introducing a new color scheme." CreationDate="2016-03-13T14:29:41.140" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8453" PostId="3534" Score="0" Text="@404 that's what edits are for!" CreationDate="2016-03-10T15:32:18.123" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="8455" PostId="3534" Score="0" Text="Any idea where to go to learn browser scripts.  I'm a fast study, but I don't know where to go.  I'm also mildly dyslexic so it would help me a bit." CreationDate="2016-03-11T19:10:49.563" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8456" PostId="3534" Score="0" Text="I don't want to move this too OT, but &quot;doing awesome things like making question navigation easier take a whole bunch of iterations and still get downvotes&quot; gets my downvote because it breaks functionality and my workflow by breaking the back button. Sorry :-( I feel this is not a good comparison, as changing the colour of links does *not* break any specific functionality or workflow." CreationDate="2016-03-12T21:33:58.647" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="8459" PostId="3534" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I have no idea to be honest -- try asking in [chat]?" CreationDate="2016-03-14T02:53:37.230" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="8460" PostId="3534" Score="0" Text="@Carpetsmoker Noted on the back button breaking. So if you want [something a bit more similar...](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/204769) Or how about [this one](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/198821) (note: these are two occasions when I was on the wrong side of history). Point being, people don't like things looking different. Regardless of what example you want to use, the point is that many people are scared of change. Myself included." CreationDate="2016-03-14T02:56:23.620" UserId="7945" />
  <row Id="11519" PostId="3536" Score="1" Text="I was just running into this issue and wondering if I should resurrect this post. This is something that is so simple to change and would improve things considerably!" CreationDate="2017-02-10T18:20:28.107" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8461" PostId="3538" Score="0" Text="I can't make sense of it either." CreationDate="2016-03-15T21:03:47.393" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8462" PostId="3538" Score="1" Text="closed questions can be reopened - in that sense, preventing dupe closure to these would be unnecessarily complicated. Especially if you take into account that reopened question can be closed again. And after that, reopened again. Etc" CreationDate="2016-03-15T21:23:45.913" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8463" PostId="3538" Score="0" Text="@gnat, which is probably why I didn't make a feature request.  But linking to a closed question seems less than useful.  If the original question is reopened, then it would be fine.  But if the original question is bad, linking to it seems somewhat bad too.  And perhaps just something that people marking questions as a duplicate should consider." CreationDate="2016-03-15T21:34:45.970" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="8468" PostId="3538" Score="0" Text="@JimG. Hah!  And I looked to see if a question like this had been asked too!  I failed.  Although, I consider the answer here a better explanation." CreationDate="2016-03-17T16:00:35.010" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="8464" PostId="3539" Score="0" Text="When questions are closed or put on hold, many, if not most of us simply don't vote or answer after that, so I think that the fact that there are zero-score answers shouldn't be taken into account." CreationDate="2016-03-16T13:17:10.450" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8465" PostId="3539" Score="1" Text="Ok, I see your point, especially for duplicates of off-topic questions." CreationDate="2016-03-16T15:33:43.940" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="8467" PostId="3541" Score="0" Text="Seconded, the first question is not about company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies. They were asking the benefit of being outspoken in the workplace, a perfectly valid question as some people are introverted and some are extroverted and the pros/cons of each are open to analysis." CreationDate="2016-03-17T14:26:50.007" UserId="46931" />
  <row Id="8469" PostId="3541" Score="2" Text="The title might be part of the problem; it sure sounds like an open-ended opinion question from that.  I think there's an interesting question under there about deciding when and how to adopt norms that aren't your own but that your boss seems to want; I'm not sure the current revision brings that out enough.  (I also realize this reaction is vague; best I can do right now, sorry.)" CreationDate="2016-03-17T16:42:27.620" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8477" PostId="3541" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Thank you.  You obviously game this thought and an honest answer is always appreciated." CreationDate="2016-03-18T13:24:15.413" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8470" PostId="3542" Score="3" Text="I'm not sure the problem is as much a lack of guidelines, as it is the squishiness of the kinds of questions that are asked in this community. I suspect hundreds of guidelines could be written and we'd always feel that some posts are kept open when they shouldn't be, while others are closed when they should be kept open. I agree there isn't a lot of consistency. Assuming we want to close any questions at all (and we could discuss the merits of that), I think we just have to live with it and do the best we can. I know the Moderators try their best in a difficult job." CreationDate="2016-03-17T17:02:17.460" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8472" PostId="3542" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'm sure you're correct.  That said, if approximately 60-75% of the questions being asked are getting dumped, there is either a problem in moderation, or in the users.  If that many users are asking that many poor questions then they should be kicked out.  It that's not the problem, then the guidelines should be loosened.  I agree, the questions ARE squishy to begin with, so IMO, moderation should take that into account.  $.02" CreationDate="2016-03-17T18:48:01.950" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8473" PostId="3542" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere: ...Or the squishiness of the guidelines. ;)" CreationDate="2016-03-17T23:02:18.407" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8479" PostId="3542" Score="0" Text="Meta (and [chat] sometimes, though it goes in spurts of activity)  is a great place to bring questions that seem unfairly closed/opened." CreationDate="2016-03-18T14:13:25.123" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8482" PostId="3542" Score="2" Text="Three cheers for the moderators. I'm not one, but I've played that role, and I know how hard it is to draw a sharp line when reality is fractal. You know you're doing the job right when both sides of your face are equally splattered by the thrown tomatoes." CreationDate="2016-03-18T15:52:09.637" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8495" PostId="3542" Score="0" Text="@Keshllam, as have I.  While being a moderator is not a popularity test, your effectiveness is not judged by how many people you irk either." CreationDate="2016-03-21T12:26:45.283" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8471" PostId="3543" Score="0" Text="Given that the person in question's native tongue was not English, I think he deserves a bit of latitude, and while there are variations from culture to culture, how universal do answers need to be to be of use?" CreationDate="2016-03-17T18:40:15.133" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8507" PostId="3543" Score="0" Text="RichardU: one of the difference between SE and other q&amp;a sites is that SE has aspirations of becoming a crowdsourced FAQ site. As such, there is a stronger emphasis on reusable answers here than elsewhere, and some effort to shape questions toward that end." CreationDate="2016-03-21T21:50:50.613" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8475" PostId="3544" Score="0" Text="If you crafted your response to be irksome and condescending, you succeeded.  You completely ignored the points I raised and dropped in a canned response." CreationDate="2016-03-18T12:28:32.983" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8478" PostId="3544" Score="6" Text="@RichardU it would be helpful for you to include questions you think were improperly closed and explain why you feel the closes were invalid. It is hard to really get what you are suggesting here because you are not really giving any context for your complaint - a list of closed questions with &quot;here's why I think this should be reopened&quot; would be a much better talking point." CreationDate="2016-03-18T13:57:48.513" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8481" PostId="3544" Score="1" Text="Or talking points, plural; each example may actually be a different issue." CreationDate="2016-03-18T15:48:53.380" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8484" PostId="3544" Score="2" Text="&quot;Duplicates are almost always immediately obvious so. When the questioner is formulating their question, the suggested list of questions almost always would clearly indicate that the question has been asked before. Obviously, they are not paying attention to it.&quot; - I disagree. I don't think it's a matter of naughty questioners. Human nature leads almost everyone to believe their question is just a *bit* different from the others, and deserving of individual attention." CreationDate="2016-03-19T17:05:52.547" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8493" PostId="3544" Score="0" Text="-1: @keshlam: Why would friends and family necessarily dispense better advice than &quot;strangers on the Internet&quot;? Do husbands give good advice to their wives when they ask, &quot;Does this dress make me look fat?&quot; Do parents give good advice after they've paid college tuition and their children ask, &quot;What should I do with my philosophy degree?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-03-20T18:09:59.903" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8497" PostId="3544" Score="0" Text="@Enderland I was as specific as the guidelines and that should have been immediately obvious &lt;/sarcasm&gt;  Or in less sarcastic terms.  Why is it that only some of us are required to be mind-readers" CreationDate="2016-03-21T12:30:34.643" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8500" PostId="3544" Score="1" Text="@RichardU I don't understand why you think being condescending and intentionally hostile is helpful. None of us are mind readers, which is why I posted my first comment. &quot;this place sucks, why are you closing everything?!&quot; --&gt; not useful. &quot;I don't understand why these specific questions were closed?&quot; --&gt; useful. If you post a vague question with a vague complaint it should not be too surprising that you get vague, generic answers." CreationDate="2016-03-21T14:53:44.460" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8501" PostId="3544" Score="1" Text="@enderland forgive me if I'm coming across as condescending.  What I am is frustrated.  I've asked about specific questions, which prompted me to write this one.  What I've noticed is a trend.  that trend being a majority of questions being closed.  I asked if the guidelines could be more specific, and the response above was essentially that people are either too stupid to read them, or are deliberately ignoring them.  This place does _not_ suck.  In fact I find it quite useful, as do the many people who come here.  What I am trying to address is the fact that the closure rate is over 50%" CreationDate="2016-03-21T15:41:38.540" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8509" PostId="3544" Score="1" Text="@RichardU - &quot;What I am trying to address is the fact that the closure rate is over 50% &quot; This might be of interest:  http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2038/high-volume-of-questions-being-put-on-hold-or-closed-is-that-a-problem" CreationDate="2016-03-22T00:16:49.137" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8474" PostId="3545" Score="4" Text="Remember Stack Exchange's stated goal is to become a library of answers that will be of use to future readers. Even if we could tell one person what to do in these cases, the answer would be so specialized to them and their situation that its value in the longer term would be questionable. The usual recommendation, here as on many other SE boards, is to ask for techniques to help evaluate the options -- ask how to fish, not for a fish --  which has much higher value to the community, and arguably better value to the querant." CreationDate="2016-03-18T05:18:44.540" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8476" PostId="3545" Score="1" Text="@keshlam Recent questions closed as &quot;off topic&quot; were asking for how to fish and closed regardless.  If you want to build a library, one of the criterion should be that if a book exists on the subject, there is already value.  Unlike SO, any input we give here will be of the &quot;softer&quot; variety and not nearly as cut and dry" CreationDate="2016-03-18T13:21:39.023" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8480" PostId="3545" Score="0" Text="Specifics, please. There are other things that will make a question inappropriate, such as asking how to catch too specific a fish, or how to fish for moose, or how to chop down a tree with a haddock. (&quot;Ni!&quot; &quot;Shhh!&quot;)" CreationDate="2016-03-18T15:47:35.873" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8483" PostId="3545" Score="1" Text="And sometimes the right question is really whether one should be fishing at all." CreationDate="2016-03-18T15:54:30.630" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8492" PostId="3545" Score="0" Text="@keshlam: Why would friends and family necessarily dispense better advice than &quot;strangers on the Internet&quot;? Do husbands give good advice to their wives when they ask, &quot;Does this dress make me look fat?&quot; Do parents give good advice after they've paid college tuition and their children ask, &quot;What should I do with my philosophy degree?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-03-20T18:08:20.950" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8494" PostId="3545" Score="0" Text="Locals at least have all the facts, and are not constrained by the goal of trying to draw general advice from an overly specific case. If you want to ask strangers this kind of question, fine, but that isn't in SE's mission, and it can and should be politely directed elsewhere to a board which would welcome it and handle it better." CreationDate="2016-03-21T06:02:51.027" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8502" PostId="3545" Score="0" Text="@keshlam: `Locals at least have all the facts`: Definitely not. Does a teenage girl have all of the facts when her BFF tells her that her boyfriend is a jerk?" CreationDate="2016-03-21T18:28:34.497" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8503" PostId="3545" Score="0" Text="This is not a relationship forum. And the fact remains that some questions are simply better addressed either in the chat area, or on another part of the Internet. No system can be all things to all people, and SE has decided what it wants to be." CreationDate="2016-03-21T18:32:08.913" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8505" PostId="3545" Score="0" Text="@keshlam: OK. Does a husband have &quot;all the facts&quot; when his wife comes home from work and says, &quot;My boss is a jerk.&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-03-21T18:33:34.773" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8506" PostId="3545" Score="0" Text="He has more. And the fact remains." CreationDate="2016-03-21T18:35:46.887" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8524" PostId="3545" Score="0" Text="I think it's less about knowing all the facts and more about knowing the *person*. If you are trying to decide between two different jobs, the answer will vary greatly depending on the person's personality, life experience, and job goals. There's no way that we can say which is a better choice, because *we do not know the poster personally.* That is the type of advice that only a friend or family member can give. And even if we could give that advice, it would be applicable to only that one person, and therefore not a good fit for the SE format." CreationDate="2016-03-25T13:44:50.273" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8525" PostId="3545" Score="0" Text="@DavidK: I disagree. Often, the nature of a relationship limits someone from being &quot;Simon Cowell-honest&quot; with another. Husbands usually know their wives very well. But the nature of a husband's relationship with his wife limits his ability to be honest with her when she asks &quot;Does this dress make me look fat?&quot; or &quot;Do you think I'll be able to find a job with my philosophy degree?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-03-25T20:00:47.710" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8496" PostId="3546" Score="0" Text="If you think questions can't have very different answers based on cultural context, you may be in for a future meeting with your company's diversity officer." CreationDate="2016-03-21T12:29:03.673" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8498" PostId="3546" Score="2" Text="@RichardU It's not that questions can't have different answers based on cultural context, it's that cultural differences don't *always* mean the answers will be different." CreationDate="2016-03-21T12:34:22.837" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8499" PostId="3546" Score="0" Text="Perhaps, but would it really kill us to allow a little bit of latitude?" CreationDate="2016-03-21T12:37:44.337" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8486" PostId="3549" Score="1" Text="Does this have anything to do with the number of closed questions on the site?" CreationDate="2016-03-20T04:26:20.277" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8487" PostId="3549" Score="0" Text="see also: [Why is Stack Overflow so negative of late?](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/251758/839601) and [Programmers SE has become a site to avoid](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/q/7910/31260)" CreationDate="2016-03-20T09:44:11.480" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8488" PostId="3549" Score="1" Text="@JimG. I can't see closed questions so I can't judge them, but not specifically no." CreationDate="2016-03-20T10:18:35.677" UserId="41999" />
  <row Id="8489" PostId="3549" Score="8" Text="&quot;at times I have found The Workplace to be quite unhelpful and unsympathetic&quot; - I think at times this is true, although I believe the vast majority of answers are indeed helpful. &quot;Sympathetic&quot; is a bit harder to judge. Often people who ask questions at The Workplace really just want to vent. Sometimes, those sorts of questions do get less sympathy. Perhaps you could add a few examples where you think the responses weren't as helpful and/or sympathetic as you would have hoped? Examples are often a powerful way of communication an impression." CreationDate="2016-03-20T10:59:02.780" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8490" PostId="3549" Score="5" Text="My take is that someone has had to come to random strangers on the internet for advice,  I would have thought that would be to get an unbiased opinion not for some sympathy.   When I answer a question I can only judge on what and how was asked,  so I try and be as plain spoken over my advice. I get short when I see a venting question that just ends in &quot;what do I do?&quot;,  they need to make some suggestion,  even if it's &quot;I thought I could do x,  but I think it's a bad idea because...&quot; we can get a discussion going,  and tweak answers." CreationDate="2016-03-20T11:26:41.107" UserId="4937" />
  <row Id="8516" PostId="3549" Score="8" Text="Just a note, too, if you (or anyone else) sees things you find hostile/not helpful use the flag feature. Workplace gets a _lot_ of content and there is no way us mere mortal moderators can see everything." CreationDate="2016-03-23T12:49:19.063" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8565" PostId="3549" Score="0" Text="I find it ironic that the answer you show as an example is a much downvoted one. Do you happen to remember if it was as ill-received before you linked it here?" CreationDate="2016-04-01T18:58:03.507" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="8566" PostId="3549" Score="0" Text="@rath No it wasn't, that question was fairly new at the time and there hadn't been much voting either way." CreationDate="2016-04-01T19:00:49.950" UserId="41999" />
  <row Id="8571" PostId="3549" Score="1" Text="By means of reference ... it can be a tough crow ... http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3561/are-bias-edits-due-to-political-view-allowed" CreationDate="2016-04-01T19:34:45.580" UserId="44002" />
  <row Id="8580" PostId="3549" Score="0" Text="Note that much of this is inherent in SE design decisions, and arguably could be taken to the top level Meta... Except that I think they have already decided not to do anything." CreationDate="2016-04-02T14:25:04.050" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8627" PostId="3549" Score="0" Text="One thing I do notice is that there's a lot of talk that would normally be edited out or users even banned for on other SE networks. I'm posting a comment because I don't feel like digging up the references, but I've seen a lot of answers that make statements like &quot;suck it up&quot;. I think people in this age are overly sensitive to begin with, but I'm just pointing out that comments or answers with such a tone would at the very least be downvoted into oblivion on other network sites." CreationDate="2016-04-03T01:35:55.853" UserDisplayName="user41761" />
  <row Id="8742" PostId="3549" Score="3" Text="I have commented this elsewhere recently, and would post it here again since it is relevant. One aspect I find unwelcoming is the unwritten requirement to please the American majority. Far too often, you come across questions which clearly state &quot;I am from so-and-so country and here is my issue ...&quot; only for the (highly upvoted) answers to brush it aside entirely with &quot;Here in the US, this is what you should do.&quot; usually followed by a &quot;holier than thou&quot; explanation of why they think the issue is better handled in the US. I have reduced my participation on this site for this reason." CreationDate="2016-04-10T13:12:31.573" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8508" PostId="3551" Score="11" Text="&quot;The Workplace is perfectly kind and welcoming to users that approach the site in good faith&quot; - while I think that's generally true for experienced users, I'm not sure newbies are always treated in a kind and welcoming way. I see cases where they seemingly are expected to know the &quot;unwritten rules&quot; of the site. &quot;Many first-timers post their question and never return to the site and those questions are handled quickly and curtly.&quot; - I suspect some of these first-timers never return due to the way they were handled (quickly and curtly). I think we are mostly good, but we can do better." CreationDate="2016-03-22T00:03:56.690" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8511" PostId="3551" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere We have to be realistic here: the vast majority of first-time posters never seem to return to the site to clarify their actual question, and that's not because of the reception they get but because they're posting to vent or can't figure out the SE model or login system. Yes, SE's login and account management is abysmal, but that's a systemic problem. I can't personally hand-hold every question posted and part of the SE model is that good questions are rewarded and bad ones are punished (with downvotes/closevotes). I offer considerably more leeway to users here...." CreationDate="2016-03-22T10:10:04.930" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8512" PostId="3551" Score="0" Text="...especially to first-timers, as compared to on other sites like SO, but there are only so many hours in the day. Any user that has a legitimate problem and takes the time to write it down here *and* is interested in actually seeing answers is helped on this site, even if the question is off-topic. I don't feel that we should do more than this and I also don't see how we could without encouraging the broken windows problem." CreationDate="2016-03-22T10:11:23.467" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8513" PostId="3551" Score="2" Text="We don't really know why many first-timers never return. You may be right that they are simply venting or don't like the SE model or login. (I wonder how our one-and-done record compares to other SE sites?) Or you may be wrong and they have decided that Workplace is too unwelcoming to be bothered with. I'm sure you would agree that focusing on &quot;the broken window problem&quot; sometimes leads us to be less welcoming than we could otherwise be," CreationDate="2016-03-22T10:26:47.600" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8514" PostId="3551" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I agree that I'm speculating on their reasons, but I'm basing that on the fact that in the majority of &quot;one-and-done&quot; cases, the OP is marked as not having returned to the site since originally posting the question, even if they registered an account. That's typically what I base the level of customisation in my response on. And I do agree with your last statement but I consider it an acceptable trade-off. Remember that SO is also very strict on its quality guidelines: people are expected to downvote and ignore questions that are poorly written or show little thought or clarity." CreationDate="2016-03-22T13:58:46.107" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8523" PostId="3551" Score="4" Text="There is, IMO, a bit of an attitude towards new users that can be summed of as &quot;If you have a problem, it's your fault, and if you don't like it, leave&quot;.  If there is a flood of &quot;one and done&quot; posts/users, then I think it would be wise to discuss _all_ the possible reasons why, and not just dismiss it as a problem with users.  My own early experiences were quite negative, and I almost said &quot;to hell with it&quot; for the entire group of stack sites.  While I'm not advocating for any site to become coddling, I do believe that we can be far more welcoming to new users" CreationDate="2016-03-25T13:25:13.547" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8532" PostId="3551" Score="3" Text="Yay, don't mind me, I'm just a noob just watching the discussion, but sometimes I have to agree with the OP, IMHO all StackExchange sites have their level of rudeness, especially StackOverflow and TheWorkPlace, sometimes they make me feel like I should know the secret rules that are never shared" CreationDate="2016-03-31T21:05:06.303" UserId="43446" />
  <row Id="8534" PostId="3551" Score="2" Text="@Mr.Derpinthoughton Keep in mind that those &quot;secret rules&quot; are all explained in the help center. The main problem with SE's framework is that they aren't made as explicit and obvious as they perhaps should be." CreationDate="2016-03-31T21:19:57.873" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8536" PostId="3551" Score="3" Text="@Lilienthal Kinda my point as well.  It takes a bit to learn what the rules and what the REAL rules are around here.  Gotta agree with Mr.Derpinthoughton  that SO and TWP are the rudest, and criticism with regards to the general attitude towards new users is pretty much ignored." CreationDate="2016-03-31T21:43:11.687" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8549" PostId="3551" Score="1" Text="@RichardU I'd disagree but I've covered most of what I'd say in response in my answer here. In the end we don't have a set standard for how a user should be treated and it's left to each user's discretion how helpful or &quot;rude&quot; he is when dealing with poor questions. In my time here I've yet to see truly malicious behaviour towards new users and the balance we strike between being helpful and direct seems fine to me." CreationDate="2016-04-01T07:31:49.120" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8551" PostId="3551" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal There is nothing wrong with direct, and I've said as much about Kilisi.  All I'm saying is that if you keep hearing the same complaint, don't dismiss it out of hand." CreationDate="2016-04-01T13:07:07.553" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8562" PostId="3551" Score="1" Text="How many of us even bother looking at who the question is from? I don't, unless it is spectacularly good or bad...    I suspect that it's less a matter of us singling out newbies than not giving them extra room to make beginner mistakes. I sorta count on the admins stepping in to do that..." CreationDate="2016-04-01T17:59:05.410" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8577" PostId="3551" Score="2" Text="@keshlam I always check the username/rep when voting to close because I also usually leave a comment to explain. I'll typically make a judgement call to see if more than a basic explanation is required and that usually depends on whether I'm dealing with a new user, how emotional the question is and whether it can be improved to be on-topic. That's about as much as anyone can realistically do in my opinion. But I'm not sure what you're expecting the mods to do? Keep in mind that their responsibilities are rather limited. They do important work but a site has to be run by the community." CreationDate="2016-04-02T12:32:09.827" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8581" PostId="3551" Score="1" Text="I'm not really expecting the mods to do more, but I'd like to see SE take this more seriously at the system design level, at least improving the boilerplate messages. And it might be with finding a way to remind the rest of us periodically that most bad posts arise from misunderstanding both the workplace and The Workplace rather than deliberate contrariness." CreationDate="2016-04-02T14:30:16.663" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8582" PostId="3551" Score="0" Text="....  And I need to remember that I sometimes get grumpy when tired." CreationDate="2016-04-02T14:31:55.073" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8771" PostId="3551" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I think you're right. I used to lurk on workplace a lot until I asked a question, which was imo borderline on topic. It got deemed off-topic, even though it had a great response that I can't accept now and lots of down votes. And every time I look here there's more closed than open questions. I honestly don't know why I even bother looking anymore." CreationDate="2016-04-16T15:28:09.860" UserId="44419" />
  <row Id="8772" PostId="3551" Score="1" Text="I've been around for a little while but not all too long. I find that the community is not nearly as light hearted than in other places. Questions tend to get put to off-topic incredibly fast, even when a proper answer could be given. This quite often feel as if a banhammer has been thrown at them. It's very intimidating to even start asking a question. This was the case for me too, While I'm happy with the many answers I received. I certainly noticed the difference between the workplace and other places. While I've seen a few uplifting comments, if feels as though they are discouraged..." CreationDate="2016-04-18T13:15:43.920" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="8504" PostId="3552" Score="0" Text="jmort253 and jmac were rock stars in the sense that when they were moderators and they were actively engaged, they were extremely welcoming to new users." CreationDate="2016-03-21T18:32:22.390" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8517" PostId="3552" Score="2" Text="Whole heartedly agree regarding duplicates.  Duplicate votes are often based entirely on question title rather than content.  IMO as soon as a question has one over zealous close vote on it, it's doomed." CreationDate="2016-03-23T13:46:02.430" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="8518" PostId="3552" Score="1" Text="Huh? You're arguing that those two questions aren't duplicates?" CreationDate="2016-03-23T23:11:18.670" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8519" PostId="3552" Score="3" Text="One is an &quot;at the end of a phone screen&quot; scenario. The other is an &quot;after my application was rejected&quot; scenario. To me they aren't the same." CreationDate="2016-03-24T09:59:35.547" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8520" PostId="3552" Score="1" Text="@JimG.  are you saying that there is no difference between being rejected and not being rejected" CreationDate="2016-03-24T12:10:30.337" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8533" PostId="3552" Score="1" Text="Hold on, we got your back +1, this being a meta website, you shouldn't have gotten so many downvotes for expressing your opinion, even if it's wrong (it's not), you're just trying to help, this is ironically what you were talking about in your comment on Lilienthal's answer" CreationDate="2016-03-31T21:15:01.933" UserId="43446" />
  <row Id="8564" PostId="3552" Score="0" Text="Note that downvote on Meta don't count against your overall score." CreationDate="2016-04-01T18:27:02.910" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8521" PostId="3553" Score="4" Text="You're not exactly known for your warm fuzzies, no.  That said, while I often disagree with your advice and tone, you're hardly the problem here." CreationDate="2016-03-24T12:13:39.590" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8531" PostId="3554" Score="0" Text="You could ask how you can find out a the going rate when Glassdoor.com is not helpful." CreationDate="2016-03-31T15:02:35.650" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8526" PostId="3555" Score="2" Text="Did you read the text in the close reason that said &quot;for more information click [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2694)&quot; ?" CreationDate="2016-03-30T19:16:30.950" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8528" PostId="3555" Score="0" Text="My impression is that it is becoming more and more common to jack up the salary significantly after a probationary period.  I'm looking for general information about this trend.  I am not asking for information about this specific company.  That would be absurd, given its relatively small size, and given that I didn't even supply the name of the company!  Also note, my question has nothing to do with anything legal." CreationDate="2016-03-31T02:56:12.093" UserId="48606" />
  <row Id="8530" PostId="3555" Score="1" Text="You can probably get the question reopened by changing the entire question to ask &quot;How can you find out how much of a raise you will get after the probation period?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-03-31T15:00:43.537" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8578" PostId="3555" Score="1" Text="Even if there is such a trend, how is that relevant to you? Whether you should start people off on a lower salary during their probationary period is a choice that your company's management will have to make, factoring in everything that they know about their location, attractiveness of the positions they have, the candidate pool, their culture and so on. Further, the title of your question doesn't match your edit and neither actually matches the real reason why you're asking. You need to make sure your question has a clear scope and focus." CreationDate="2016-04-02T12:43:16.827" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8765" PostId="3555" Score="0" Text="@aparente001 You've misunderstood the reason. It's not that we're saying it's specific to your company, which as you say, you didn't identify so how could we know it. The reason is that it is a rule that is specific to each company. Starting a new employee with a low wage, and an automatic increase, for instance, is not a common practice or trend that I've ever heard of, and at least a few others haven't as well. So the close vote was because we cannot possibly know the reason behind the rule of those companies that DO do it. Heh heh, I said doodoo. :p" CreationDate="2016-04-14T18:40:26.503" UserId="18768" />
  <row Id="8529" PostId="3558" Score="0" Text="related: [Let's stop displaying a user's accept rate](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/136951/165773)" CreationDate="2016-03-31T11:38:11.047" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8535" PostId="3558" Score="1" Text="This is a problem on every site so would probably be best discussed on the global meta. I imagine that there are plenty of threads about it already though." CreationDate="2016-03-31T21:34:14.907" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8541" PostId="3561" Score="5" Text="And you think political views are on-topic on The Workplace...why?" CreationDate="2016-03-31T22:24:46.637" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8543" PostId="3561" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I'd like to direct you to my comments for enderland's answer... Really, read the question.  It's NOT ABOUT ME EXPLAINING MY POLITICAL VIEWS, I AM ASKING IF IT'S OK FOR THE ACTUAL WORKPLACE.  As in that thing you're suppose to do during the day and get paid for as oppose to answering questions that amount to nothing." CreationDate="2016-03-31T23:06:26.893" UserDisplayName="user48661" />
  <row Id="8544" PostId="3561" Score="12" Text="@Walle if your goal is to ask if &quot;its ok&quot; then the specifics of who your favorite candidate is doesn't matter. Considering the entire point of this meta question is &quot;why did you censor my political candidate&quot; it seems pretty clear your primary interest in posting your question was to talk about Trump -- not get an actual answer to your question." CreationDate="2016-03-31T23:15:33.583" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8545" PostId="3561" Score="2" Text="-_- you're making about this much sense http://www.razerzone.com/breadwinner.  The reason I specify Trump is because people do often have a much stronger bias against him than other candidates.  You know IT'S POSSIBLE PEOPLE WOULDN'T GET UPSET OVER HILLARY, OR LINCOLN CHAFFEY, OR LITTLE MARCO RUBIO. But since there's a very strong bias against Trump, you know, maybe people would think that matters?" CreationDate="2016-03-31T23:20:29.760" UserDisplayName="user48661" />
  <row Id="8547" PostId="3561" Score="2" Text="related: [Why is Stack Exchange so hard to troll](http://i.stack.imgur.com/a0jCv.png)" CreationDate="2016-04-01T05:54:47.740" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8548" PostId="3561" Score="8" Text="Rarely have to say this on meta, but voted to close. Your question seems to be &quot;Is it okay to do X because of reason Y?&quot; when neither X nor Y actually happened. On the off-chance that this isn't some poor attempt at trolling, consider some self-reflection, assuming that your political views don't prevent such a radical action." CreationDate="2016-04-01T07:19:37.387" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8550" PostId="3561" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal my palm has transcended my face and gone into the cosmos now." CreationDate="2016-04-01T12:45:15.123" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="8552" PostId="3561" Score="2" Text="On a very likely related note, Happy April Fool's Day." CreationDate="2016-04-01T13:11:47.313" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8554" PostId="3561" Score="0" Text="So I'm confused, why is his question an issue?  Like what rules does he break in saying &quot;Trump&quot;?  There is a bias against him, I'll be honest, I don't like Trump, and I don't like any other candidate and it's pretty clear the internet will have a civil conversation about any other candidate, but the moment it's Trump, it's guns (down votes and edits) a-blazing." CreationDate="2016-04-01T16:26:40.653" UserDisplayName="user45641" />
  <row Id="8558" PostId="3561" Score="0" Text="@keshlam but should answers really impact the question? I'm thinking that answers could potentially be different based on candidates because they're human, and everyone has opinions, that's pretty clear on other stackexchanges like SO where 80% of questions involving windows have to specify they don't want a &quot;Windows sucks&quot; answer.  Specifying these things can bring about different emotions, particularly in the OP's original question, Trump is controversial, other candidates, not really, his coworkers might be fine with hearing about others for all we know. Just trying to keep this unbias." CreationDate="2016-04-01T16:51:50.300" UserDisplayName="user45641" />
  <row Id="8560" PostId="3561" Score="1" Text="Yeah I don't think anyone wants a bias answer.  I'm just playing devil's advocate in saying &quot;maybe if it weren't about Trump, it have been received more positively&quot;" CreationDate="2016-04-01T16:58:22.660" UserDisplayName="user45641" />
  <row Id="8568" PostId="3561" Score="1" Text="I'm pretty sure my answer was Trump specific, because Trump is ... well ... different. If he had said he had a scary psychopath costume for Halloween, or favorite cartoon character, that would modify the answer. Trump is a combination of it all: political, cartoon character and scary psychopath." CreationDate="2016-04-01T19:18:05.863" UserId="44002" />
  <row Id="8570" PostId="3561" Score="1" Text="I would not want to close this question as it is such a good example of such a bad example." CreationDate="2016-04-01T19:26:10.870" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8573" PostId="3561" Score="1" Text="When do we vote for moderators? I want to nominate @Walle. He promises to build a wall between the trolls and the good users!" CreationDate="2016-04-01T20:06:00.927" UserId="44002" />
  <row Id="8537" PostId="3562" Score="1" Text="Seriously, does anyone on stackexchange actually read the questions? I'm not asking to reopen my question.  Read the question please.  I am asking if it's ok for those edits because of people's political views don't align. But same thing is happening here.  Talk about abuse of power..." CreationDate="2016-03-31T21:56:15.533" UserDisplayName="user48661" />
  <row Id="8538" PostId="3562" Score="6" Text="@Walle if you want to argue politics with people, you will find Stack Exchange is not the place for you." CreationDate="2016-03-31T21:56:43.107" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8576" PostId="3565" Score="0" Text="'Real questions have answers&quot; is a rather telegraphic reference to a policy that's used across all of Stack Exchange. If you followed the link you'd have gotten an explanation of why this question was deemed to be in need of improvement.... But it may be unreasonable of SE to expect newcomers to realize that the deeper explanation is available." CreationDate="2016-04-02T11:54:46.887" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8579" PostId="3565" Score="0" Text="Downvote without comments is also a SE-wide issue. Unfortunately, that is a designed-in option and unlikely to change." CreationDate="2016-04-02T14:23:00.303" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9026" PostId="3565" Score="1" Text="I too find the &quot;real questions have answers&quot; wording to be very rude, although I don't know what wording could be better." CreationDate="2016-05-06T16:57:33.220" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9766" PostId="3565" Score="0" Text="I don't like the &quot;real questions have answers&quot; wording either.  It's snide." CreationDate="2016-08-10T16:55:27.543" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8611" PostId="3567" Score="0" Text="I have to endorse this. We don't know all the details, only the asker's perceptions. I know of a case on another system where it turned out that the individual was completely in denial about a situation, but write week enough that strangers has no way of knowing this and gave advice that reinforced his delusions -- and I'm not using that word lightly. Be very careful about unconditional validation, and try to offer advice that won't get the querant into trouble if they are misunderstanding what's going on." CreationDate="2016-04-02T20:32:43.707" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8620" PostId="3575" Score="1" Text="Good question. By Stack Exchange's policy -- which I don't entirely agree with, but it's their site -- I think the canonical answer would be that there are other sites which deal much better with that sort of question and it's out of SE's scope. Having a place to hang &quot;other useful resources&quot; links might partly address that..." CreationDate="2016-04-02T21:14:42.030" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8621" PostId="3575" Score="1" Text="This seems like the kind of thing that would have been asked while in beta and the quietly grandfathered in during graduation." CreationDate="2016-04-02T21:17:23.630" UserId="41999" />
  <row Id="8625" PostId="3575" Score="0" Text="Perhaps it could have been. Unfortunately, the nature of grandfathering is that it is not accepted as a justification for later violations. If we weren't too do something, we need to produce a specific recommendation and figure out how to implement it... And convincing out SE hosts that  this implementation is better than simply accepting that there are questions we aren't set up to answer and trying to find a gentler way to express that." CreationDate="2016-04-02T21:32:37.583" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8630" PostId="3577" Score="0" Text="Good thoughts. I appreciate the reminder." CreationDate="2016-04-04T01:17:19.980" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8639" PostId="3577" Score="2" Text="I agree, rath.  I would say that even a rant, if the rant part is edited out, can be a source of good answers." CreationDate="2016-04-04T12:54:45.250" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8667" PostId="3577" Score="4" Text="`real questions have answers` I really hate this reason to be honest because it feels dumb. I personally see it more as &quot;this is a rant&quot; or &quot;there's really no way to answer this&quot; or &quot;this is kind of a discussiony post&quot; than &quot;not a real question&quot; because frankly from a pedantic perspective, it's really easy to make a &quot;real question.&quot; It's more &quot;not a real good fit for Stack Exchange.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-04-04T23:30:50.733" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8677" PostId="3577" Score="0" Text="@enderland when it was last time you clicked the link under [real questions have answers](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2011/01/real-questions-have-answers/) and read explanation laid out there? I for one find it fairly reasonable: **&quot;real questions have answers, not _items_ or _ideas_ or _opinions_&quot;**" CreationDate="2016-04-06T14:48:53.887" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8678" PostId="3577" Score="0" Text="@gnat This site accepts answers that are opinion-based to a large degree, so the difference is lost to me." CreationDate="2016-04-06T14:51:14.407" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="8679" PostId="3577" Score="0" Text="@gnat just because it pedantically is correct doesn't change the wording being fairly misleading. It would be nice if that language was included in the close reason itself.." CreationDate="2016-04-06T14:53:56.880" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8680" PostId="3577" Score="0" Text="@enderland when one can't find a way to reasonably challenge a statement, all they can do is to add negatively sounding verbiage. &quot;Pedantically&quot; does the trick..." CreationDate="2016-04-06T15:23:44.943" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8681" PostId="3577" Score="1" Text="@gnat what? If there is a statement &quot;real questions have answers&quot; and then there are posts posted as questions with posts posted as answers... it seems quite poorly worded to have the original question closed saying &quot;real questions have answers.&quot; I get the intent but the wording is still not clear at all unless you _fully_ understand what it means. Because the literal words do not mean what they say, they mean what they say _only in the context of SE language_." CreationDate="2016-04-06T15:29:30.347" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8688" PostId="3577" Score="2" Text="&quot;*When in doubt, give it a few days*&quot; Close votes exist precisely to quickly put the question on hold and prevent answers from shaping the question. In some cases this works great, but then it would also have worked by simply editing the question and reopening it. Leaving it open makes it difficult to modify the question because it would invalidate off-the-cuff answers. And often those answers have upvotes because the question itself is invalid, which is a pointless exercise." CreationDate="2016-04-07T13:36:41.817" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8696" PostId="3577" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I'd argue that much of a question's value comes from the answers. This site is, after all, dedicated to help navigating the workplace, not to maintaining questions that fit certain criteria. Hopefully the two are in harmony but sometimes they're not. The question then becomes, _can someone save this question with a good answer_. My thus-far unstated (and unverified) assumption is that close votes might discourage the OP or those who want to answer." CreationDate="2016-04-07T14:41:53.913" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="8697" PostId="3577" Score="2" Text="They should, and often for a good reason. Close votes are a signal that a post is potentially problematic and that would-be answerers should check if the question is clearly specified and answerable before writing down the first thing they think of when they see the title. It's Q&amp;A, not A&amp;Q." CreationDate="2016-04-07T14:58:42.390" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8741" PostId="3577" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Good point well made." CreationDate="2016-04-10T10:58:38.190" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="8632" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="The software test one is asking for a list of companies to apply to..." CreationDate="2016-04-04T12:30:43.523" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8633" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="The cities one is too. List types of questions are really not good fits in stack exchange. I think the test question could probably be edited, though." CreationDate="2016-04-04T12:31:55.453" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8634" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="@enderland Oy vey!  color me embarrassed!  Deleting that one." CreationDate="2016-04-04T12:32:40.993" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8635" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="@enderland There are some cities better than others, for example, anything to do with Oracle or Open office, Denver is your choice.  Silicon valley is another area.  If you're doing financial development, NY or Chicago, et cetera.  There are some pretty clear lines of demarcation." CreationDate="2016-04-04T12:35:48.793" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8636" PostId="3579" Score="2" Text="That's a very American answer. What if I live in Germany?" CreationDate="2016-04-04T12:37:32.483" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8637" PostId="3579" Score="3" Text="What are the asker's priorities? What else do they care about? If it just the job, what about family, cost of living and lifestyle, job security desires, it other factors? The reason &quot;tell me what to do&quot; questions like that are hard is no one besides the asker knows. What do they want to do, are they OK with boring companies? Do they need a hip startup? Etc." CreationDate="2016-04-04T12:40:14.717" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8638" PostId="3579" Score="0" Text="@enderland then I'd suggest moving to Poland, where all the IT positions in Germany are being outsourced." CreationDate="2016-04-04T12:40:45.230" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8670" PostId="3580" Score="0" Text="&quot;IMO, the question should be given a chance to be edited when the answers below it have real-life, pragmatic applications.&quot; - I don't think I understand what you are saying here. Questions are *always* given a chance to be edited. You could edit any question and if the community likes the results folks can vote to reopen it." CreationDate="2016-04-05T22:49:20.047" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8672" PostId="3580" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere That's not true.  The community isn't given a choice to reopen, only those of us with more than 3000 rep have that choice.  Beyond that, I've seen a marked reticence to reopen something once it's been closed.  What you say is true in theory, but as a friend of mine used to say (God rest his soul) &quot;In theory, theory and practice are the same, in practice they are not&quot;." CreationDate="2016-04-06T12:25:46.027" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8676" PostId="3580" Score="2" Text="&quot;The community isn't given a choice to reopen, only those of us with more than 3000 rep have that choice.&quot; - thus, since there are plenty of folks with sufficient rep, questions are always given a chance to be edited and reopened. Perhaps you could add the &quot;by folks with sufficient rep&quot; part to you answer to make it clearer what you mean." CreationDate="2016-04-06T13:03:47.353" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8668" PostId="3582" Score="2" Text="click here to find over 5,000 examples: [list of open questions with positive score](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=closed%3Ano+score%3A1)" CreationDate="2016-04-05T08:19:12.023" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8669" PostId="3582" Score="0" Text="The text for the &quot;opinion&quot; close reason says something like &quot;Of course any set of answers will reflect their author's o opinions, but we believe that answers to this question will be less supportable with facts than is desirable, making it difficult to say what is a good or bad answer.  That makes the question one that is outside the scope of SE as a whole; it's really discussion rather than q&amp;a, and as such should be moved to a site which is discussion oriented.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-04-05T09:46:10.283" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8673" PostId="3582" Score="1" Text="@gnat I'd hazard a guess that quite a few of those questions would probably be closed if asked today. Some will have inevitably slipped through and a number of olders questions are probably off-topic under the current guidelines without getting a historical lock. In fact, unless this query is no longer functional, we only have [a single](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=hasnotice%3Atrue+is%3Aq+locked%3Atrue) historical lock on the site (hasnotice covers more than just historical locks)." CreationDate="2016-04-06T12:32:39.780" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8674" PostId="3582" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I think this is the case when it's more productive to stick with the principle &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot; and just fix occasional [broken windows](http://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/broken-windows/info) when these are discovered" CreationDate="2016-04-06T12:47:24.300" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8675" PostId="3582" Score="0" Text="@gnat True, but I just wanted to mention that not every one of those 5000 questions will be a proper question." CreationDate="2016-04-06T13:01:30.273" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8671" PostId="3583" Score="3" Text="Good answer! While we could nitpick some of the specifics here, I think this is a great framework for considering questions. Thanks!" CreationDate="2016-04-06T12:06:38.000" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8684" PostId="3583" Score="3" Text="Nicely done!  Thank you for writing this up." CreationDate="2016-04-06T21:08:00.143" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8744" PostId="3583" Score="1" Text="So how does this get codified as practice? From my small viewpoint, relative to other SE sites, workplace has far more closed questions, far fewer questions up for review, far more upvotes and answers to closed questions, and far less pushback on the OP to aid in framing the question in an appropriate way. There are also many with nearly identical answers, where a comment is far more appropriate, and high upvote counts on those duplicates." CreationDate="2016-04-11T13:10:33.607" UserId="44002" />
  <row Id="8745" PostId="3583" Score="0" Text="@jimm101 The problem is that SE does not allow for codification. Users are free to use the site as they wish and it's an unfortunate truth that many of our users are reluctant to downvote or review questions and answers critically. This is partly due to the subjective nature of much of our content (there is usually no correct answer, everyone feels qualified to weigh in) and partly out of a genuine intent to help people with their issue even if it's not a good fit for the site. [...]" CreationDate="2016-04-11T15:56:07.287" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8746" PostId="3583" Score="0" Text="Workplace is one of the few sites where we don't deal with relatively minor problems like coding projects, educational questions or trivia but where people come with situations that can and will affect their livelihood and significantly impact their future. [parenting.se] is the only other site I know of and while I avoid it, the brief visits I've made gave me the impression that it has its own share of problems. And to clarify my initial sentence above: codification can't be done because SE relies on the community to decide. And while I agree that ours is too soft, I am only one voice." CreationDate="2016-04-11T16:00:48.050" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8749" PostId="3583" Score="0" Text="Nice answer. In reply to some of the comments, don't you guys think it will find it's own balance? Or has already found a sort of balance? It's the internet, we can't dictate what people do or how they do it." CreationDate="2016-04-12T03:05:16.183" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="8682" PostId="3584" Score="3" Text="Good answer. Even the premise of the question (&quot;New Orleans&amp;Baton Rouge don't really have a flourishing IT market.&quot;) is an opinion. A quick query in an online job site shows &gt;1000 relevant jobs in and around Baton Rouge alone. That said, if anyone really wanted to help, they could always leave a comment." CreationDate="2016-04-06T16:34:41.140" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8733" PostId="3585" Score="0" Text="It's almost certainly the same person trying to ask his question again, maybe intentionally trying to bypass the fact that the original question was closed. Since the OP didn't return after asking, there's no point in guessing at intent or recovering the question in my opinion so I agree with the close votes." CreationDate="2016-04-08T08:33:36.717" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8699" PostId="3586" Score="0" Text="Yea, as much as I hate to admit it I think you could be on to something and I think that may be the main issue which is making people reluctant to re-open it. My issue with that is that if I take out all the poisoning references and make it explicit that it is about someone eating it accidentally then __it is still the same question__ just slightly reworded and fundamentally I think questions should be closed based on the 'fundamental' question rather than how it is asked, and since the fundamental question here is fine (at least I'm trying to convince people it is!) it should be fine." CreationDate="2016-04-07T16:07:44.563" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8700" PostId="3586" Score="0" Text="Also, I'm not going to lie, the question is a lot more interesting and eye catching when you refer to poisoning people rather than them accidental taking your medication. There is some gamification going on here as well! Regardless of the gaming though it is still a question I feel is good and would genuinely like an answer to.&#xA;&#xA;Am I ok to put example revisions into my question here under the rest of the actual question?" CreationDate="2016-04-07T16:11:34.407" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8709" PostId="3586" Score="0" Text="I don't want to set a precedent that descends this place into chaos. I'd need to think it out more but could possibly write something more generic (this may have already be asked) along the lines of 'What happens if I injure someone at work' and that way a canonical answer can be given and any resultant 'Stab, choke, shoot...' questions can get flagged as dupe and linked back but I think you are right in that I wouldn't be happy with the result (and it would be harder to keep non-legal non-policy orientated). If you think that would help I'd spend sometime considering it though?" CreationDate="2016-04-07T16:53:10.643" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8713" PostId="3586" Score="0" Text="Is asking question on The Workplace and having fun mutually exclusive? Assume for a second then that isn't a revenge fantasy, that I am genuinely happy at my work, get on with all my colleagues and have no medical issues that require me to take medication, but I'm still wondering about what would happen if I did put my sandwich in the fridge and someone ate it and because ill; would it be a valid question then?" CreationDate="2016-04-07T17:06:42.430" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8728" PostId="3586" Score="4" Text="Hypothetical questions are specifically called out in http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask as a type of question to avoid, because they invite subjective responses that couldn't really be described as answers." CreationDate="2016-04-07T20:02:36.573" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="8729" PostId="3586" Score="0" Text="Thanks @mcknz but that refers to open-ended hypotheticals like 'What if Hilter had never been born.' Where noone can really know the answer. I think here, although no-one has been posioned yet, the question is answerable based on previous similar incidents." CreationDate="2016-04-07T20:12:41.590" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8685" PostId="3588" Score="1" Text="I don't think &quot;what is the likely fallout&quot; is any more off-topic than questions asking how hiring managers are likely to interpret something on a resume or how to bring up a conflict with one's manager or many other topics we handle here.  We can't address *company-specific* issues (as you note) and we shouldn't be *speculating*, but some questions can be answered from general experience.  Such questions do need to be written carefully, and I haven't yet reviewed the edits on this one." CreationDate="2016-04-07T13:22:28.143" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8686" PostId="3588" Score="2" Text="Good comment @MonicaCellio, but I think there *is* a difference- how people might interpret a resume, or how to facilitate conflict, are examples of commonly recurring issues and a body of experience is likely to have built up allowing many people to answer with a degree of confidence that their answer is likely to be correct in general terms. In this case, it is very unlikely there is a de facto body of experience about the consequences of accidentally poisoning someone- therefore there will be an almost complete lack of confidence that any one answer is the correct answer." CreationDate="2016-04-07T13:27:39.660" UserId="34627" />
  <row Id="8687" PostId="3588" Score="0" Text="If I roll a dice I can tell you the likely outcome without foreseeing the future. It won't be opinion based. Company-specific circumstances and rules do not dictate how other co-workers react, what impact it will have on career, likelihood of legal action, how I will be viewed by management to name a few. These may initially feel opinion based but I think can be answered by considering other factors (i.e. cultural). If you feel I have failed to give good non-opinion based answer I remind you I am asking the question hence don't have the answer! But I feel it can be answered." CreationDate="2016-04-07T13:30:51.337" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8689" PostId="3588" Score="1" Text="&quot;how people might interpret a resume, or how to facilitate conflict, are examples of commonly recurring issues and a body of experience is likely to have built up allowing many people to answer with a degree of confidence that their answer is likely to be correct in general terms.&quot; - This sounds a lot like you are saying we can only ask questions that everyone can answer. What's the point if that is the case? Just because you or a large amount of users don't have the answer doesn't mean no-one will!" CreationDate="2016-04-07T13:37:59.380" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8690" PostId="3588" Score="2" Text="But you are not asking about something probabilistic such as rolling a dice, are you?! The actual consequences you would face are highly specific to the exact circumstances in which you find yourself- no-one here can know these, only you do, so answers from anyone else would be utter speculation, about a single-specific case and there would be no way for anyone else to determine the &quot;rightness&quot; of any answer. Nor would the answers be applicable to anyone else's circumstances. SE sites are designed to provide, to a greater or lesser extent, canonical answers to specific questions." CreationDate="2016-04-07T13:38:53.733" UserId="34627" />
  <row Id="8708" PostId="3588" Score="0" Text="See I don't see it as being highly specific. Here is a link to 5 cases of accidental poisoning: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/FirstAid/story?id=7292295&amp;page=1 from a quick Google. I haven't read the article in depth but I'm sure they likely don't match my question's scenario exact or each others but all would have results similar in nature" CreationDate="2016-04-07T16:47:33.443" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8692" PostId="3589" Score="5" Text="@RyanfaeScotland `What happens if I poison a co-worker who has been stealing my food?` is the explicitly worded question. I'm not sure how else to read that." CreationDate="2016-04-07T13:52:29.420" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8734" PostId="3589" Score="0" Text="Hey enderland, I've updated the post here and think it now addresses the two points you have highlighted. 4. Deals with why it isn't an XY Problem, 3. deals with why it isn't a 'how would you deal with this problem' along with why I don't want to change the question to something different. Is this any help in convincing you it should be re-opened?" CreationDate="2016-04-08T12:03:34.350" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8995" PostId="3589" Score="1" Text="&quot;How can I poison my co-worker without anyone finding out it was me?&quot; seems to be a damn useful question to a lot of people. :)" CreationDate="2016-05-04T17:58:31.677" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8703" PostId="3590" Score="0" Text="Although I can see that being an acceptable question I reckon it would also be an incredibly boring one which would generate rather lacklustre answers that could be discovered with a 2 second session on Google. And the fallout you describe is purely from a 'corporate' POV, there are other areas that could be referred to in the answer (examples given in another comment)." CreationDate="2016-04-07T16:21:20.693" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8714" PostId="3590" Score="1" Text="Corporate POV is pretty much what we do here.  Best of luck getting it reopened." CreationDate="2016-04-07T17:27:14.677" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="8739" PostId="3590" Score="0" Text="disciplinary, legal, or possibly they'd just ship him off to a mental institute..." CreationDate="2016-04-09T11:54:28.900" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="8711" PostId="3591" Score="2" Text="Good answer. &quot;If it belongs on SE at all, it probably belongs in Legal.&quot; You are probably right. I'd be surprised if Legal would want it though." CreationDate="2016-04-07T17:00:58.163" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8712" PostId="3591" Score="0" Text="&quot;If it is unlikely that anyone same would websearch the question, it is not a good SE question.&quot; - How do I measure this? If I search &quot;what happens if I poison someone stealing my food&quot; I get 1.9 million results, the first page of which is all about this exact topic. &quot;you get fired, you get your pants sued off...&quot; See I think that would actually make a good answer. Use them as headings, add explanations as to why along with sources / examples and there you go." CreationDate="2016-04-07T17:02:56.653" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8726" PostId="3591" Score="2" Text="OK. If this is a good answer, you now have your answer, so why does it matter that the question was closed? You can do your own deeper research; I'm not that interested.... And I did say &quot;nobody sane.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-04-07T19:34:29.740" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8727" PostId="3591" Score="0" Text="@joestrazzere Maybe world building would be another place for it; that discussion, by its nature, is already only loosely coupled to reality. Good SF stories have been written that incorporate unintended poisoning,  and I can think of at least one that incorporates a deliberate attempt." CreationDate="2016-04-07T19:42:13.810" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8731" PostId="3591" Score="0" Text="&quot;If this is a good answer, you now have your answer, so why does it matter that the question was closed?&quot; Because there is still plenty of scope for a better answer!" CreationDate="2016-04-07T22:26:10.057" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8704" PostId="3592" Score="0" Text="Hey Monica, thanks for the advice. I can understand the 'bad taste' (very good btw) especially because what you are essentially seeing is someone random on the internet asking if he can get away with poisoning his colleagues and if it was me reading it without knowing me then you are right, I'd probably be a bit worried too! I tried to alleviate some of that worry in the edit by making it less explicit but by that point I think the damage was done and the question is permanently tainted. I've consider a re-write again to frame as 'this is something I am going to do, what is the likely outcome'" CreationDate="2016-04-07T16:32:37.907" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8705" PostId="3592" Score="0" Text="but I think that just invites more 'don't do it' answers which isn't what I am interested it. I think I'm going to have to make more of a point that I am not going to do this, **that my colleagues know about my question and are interested in the answer as well**, and see what answers that brings about. Think that would help?" CreationDate="2016-04-07T16:34:46.327" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8722" PostId="3592" Score="0" Text="I'm reading your example question again and something that gets me is that it is in essence answering itself. At least the first part. Isn't that an issue?" CreationDate="2016-04-07T18:33:56.710" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8723" PostId="3592" Score="1" Text="@RyanfaeScotland sorry for the confusion there -- I meant that the worst outcome *for others* would be discomfort, and to ask about the probable outcome *for the asker* -- two different outcomes.  BTW, if you ask about outcomes then &quot;don't do it&quot; is Not An Answer, same as &quot;quit your job&quot; is NAA on a question about improving something at your current workplace." CreationDate="2016-04-07T18:38:35.493" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8724" PostId="3592" Score="0" Text="Monica sorry I've referred to the wrong part (on my phone now so harder to refer back). I mean that after saying &quot;what would be the likely outcomes?' You give a list of likely outcomes, isn't that what I'm asking for and likely to sway answers towards that list? Also according to another answer here 'Don't' isnt NNA. I may flag them and see what comes out of that if there is uncertainty." CreationDate="2016-04-07T18:48:38.187" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8725" PostId="3592" Score="0" Text="@RyanfaeScotland I offered a range of possibilities from &quot;no harm down&quot; to &quot;get out now&quot;; they were meant as examples, not an enumeration.  I figure it shows some initial thought about possibilities and then goes on to ask what's likely or how do you tell.  Anyway, it's just a suggestion; you could certainly omit that part." CreationDate="2016-04-07T18:53:46.487" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8730" PostId="3592" Score="0" Text="No no, I think it is a good idea, I'm just worried about people posting answers that are basically rehashes of my question (although that may not be a bad thing if they take that and run with it!). Since reading more and more on the issue I'm now inclined to agree that 'Don't do it' is NAA in this situation. I'll flag later though, one issue at a time!" CreationDate="2016-04-07T22:20:49.310" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8715" PostId="3593" Score="0" Text="The circling and inconsistency you see is a result of me trying to adapt the question to be more palatable to the answers / commenters I've had so far. I can 100% guarantee that I wouldn't do it in real life, either as a joke or as revenge. However I wrote in the first person as if I would / was as I enjoy writing in the first person more than the third. &quot;You want an answer to what will happen if I do something (wrong). And the answer is don't do something wrong.&quot; - That ISN'T an answer to the question though, it simply isn't. Q: 'What happens if X' A: 'Just don't X' How is that an answer?" CreationDate="2016-04-07T17:45:11.140" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8716" PostId="3593" Score="3" Text="@RyanfaeScotland See &quot;[When asked 'How can I foo the bar?' is 'Don't foo the bar' an appropriate answer?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2321/when-asked-how-can-i-foo-the-bar-is-dont-foo-the-bar-an-appropriate-answer)&quot;" CreationDate="2016-04-07T17:47:07.870" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8717" PostId="3593" Score="0" Text="Ahhh thanks @DavidK, that explains why I'm getting so many 'don't do it' answers! And Paparazzi, using that criteria does make it more of a valid answer than I gave it credit for, thanks for taking the time to add it but I'm looking for an answer to the specific question set out, not an alternative. Knowing that 'Don't Foo the Bar' is a valid answer if a little more explanation is given I'll see if I can re-word to discourage those answers." CreationDate="2016-04-07T17:59:02.763" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8718" PostId="3593" Score="1" Text="@RyanfaeScotland No, it started and finished inconsistent.  So you did not  get an answer to the *stated* question.  The *stated* question was closed by people that had the points to close it. You can play semantics all you want but that is how it works here." CreationDate="2016-04-07T18:01:30.560" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="8719" PostId="3593" Score="0" Text="Can you elaborate on 'inconsistent'?" CreationDate="2016-04-07T18:17:21.407" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8720" PostId="3593" Score="2" Text="@RyanfaeScotland This is not constructive.   I can't help you." CreationDate="2016-04-07T18:19:53.557" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="8721" PostId="3593" Score="0" Text="&quot;How can I make this code work when the answer is that code is the wrong approach?&quot; But I'm not asking 'How can I save a file by entering Format C:?' I'm aksing 'What will happen if I enter Format C:' Hmmm that does make me think though, why would I include the saving info if it isn't what I am asking about? Perhaps I can apply that to my question to reduce it and focus it on an acceptable version of the question. Thanks, you have helped me!" CreationDate="2016-04-07T18:28:58.983" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8732" PostId="3593" Score="2" Text="If it isn't something you intend to do, it can also be closed on grounds of being speculative. SE is not a conversational site. With specific exceptions like the world-building discussion or the community wiki discussions, if it isn't a problem you actually have, it's considered rude to ask us to spend time on it. This is not the community you are looking for;  I do encourage you to try elsewhere if you want to simply brainstorm about what-if cases." CreationDate="2016-04-08T03:53:10.833" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8735" PostId="3593" Score="0" Text="Just because **I** don't intend to do it doesn't mean that others don't and that the situation won't arise. As per another comment I've already shown that it can and has. I can understand it being considered rude if I claimed something had happened when it hadn't in order to deceive people to get quick answers but this isn't the case. If you do not want to spend time answering a questions that hasn't happened then don't, move on and don't give it another thought, no point in getting upset about it, that doesn't mean you should stop other people answering who think it worth while though." CreationDate="2016-04-08T12:11:21.130" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8736" PostId="3593" Score="4" Text="It is closed. That is how the site works. I will use my close votes how I chose." CreationDate="2016-04-08T12:19:54.573" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="8738" PostId="3593" Score="0" Text="Hmmm I guess you are right, if enough people disagree and think it is worth while then it can get re-opened. Food for thought, thanks." CreationDate="2016-04-08T22:12:58.713" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="8743" PostId="3594" Score="3" Text="Still pretty long, why not summarise it into the core issue, which is 'How to stop people treating me like a kid and being disrespectful to my face.' or something like that...." CreationDate="2016-04-11T12:39:07.047" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="8747" PostId="3594" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Thanks. Wouldn't deleting some-more make it too vague or general for people to understand? I wrote the particular things to avoid being asked questions about particular things later. But never mind, I have deleted some fluff. Is it better now?" CreationDate="2016-04-11T18:03:55.067" UserId="38572" />
  <row Id="8748" PostId="3594" Score="2" Text="Many of us went through something similar in our youth, so perhaps that's why you're not getting much sympathy, because realistically there isn't a lot you can do without making it worse. You push back when you can, but mostly you just keep your head down and act professional until you gain respect." CreationDate="2016-04-11T21:46:41.173" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="8764" PostId="3594" Score="0" Text="I agree that it's too long." CreationDate="2016-04-14T17:05:22.410" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8753" PostId="3596" Score="5" Text="Could you edit in some examples?  Also, we aren't really here to &quot;discuss&quot; things; we're here to answer questions.  If you're raising ideas for discussion instead of asking clear questions, that could be the problem." CreationDate="2016-04-13T16:27:10.883" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8755" PostId="3596" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I figured that people would be interested in techniques or knowledge which could improve the workplace environment. But without any &quot;data&quot; to work on, there is no way to feed that in to the SE machine. I can't reach the very audience I most want to interact with." CreationDate="2016-04-13T17:33:19.877" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="8757" PostId="3596" Score="3" Text="For good or for bad, The Workplace apparently isn't the place for &quot;what do you think of &lt;this book&gt;?&quot; or &quot;what do you think of &lt;this philosophy&gt;?&quot; type discussions. Perhaps if you form them into a specific question that could gain a specific answer, they would be considered more on topic here." CreationDate="2016-04-13T17:50:30.753" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8758" PostId="3596" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - see: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/65167/what-success-have-you-had-using-the-true-colors-personality-type-approach&#xA;http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/65159/how-do-you-use-appreciative-inquiry-in-your-workplace-or-as-a-consultant-to-busi&#xA;http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/64943/is-there-a-good-way-to-appreciate-the-contributions-of-people-even-when-they-are" CreationDate="2016-04-13T17:55:11.900" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8759" PostId="3596" Score="2" Text="If you're looking for discussion (what did people think of this book, etc), you can also try [chat]." CreationDate="2016-04-13T17:57:03.733" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8762" PostId="3596" Score="1" Text="The audience you want to interact with can be found at many sites on the Internet. This isn't one of them, by design." CreationDate="2016-04-14T02:35:30.913" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8773" PostId="3596" Score="0" Text="Your last 2 questions would have been fine had you asked directly about how and when to apply the techniques you mentioned.  Instead of asking for anecdotes ask for help in applying the skill and you will likely get some anecdotes to help you understand in the answer.  Do not ask for thoughts or suggestions ask for solid answers." CreationDate="2016-04-21T18:58:53.760" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8774" PostId="3596" Score="0" Text="@Chad I thought that a couple of my questions were more directed toward &quot;how&quot;. Somehow I am just not wording things properly. It seems like if I am close but have missed the mark, someone could make an edit or at least a comment." CreationDate="2016-04-21T20:05:26.783" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="8775" PostId="3596" Score="0" Text="As I said the last 2 questions were closer to that and could have worked had you asked how to implement the techniques.  Just ask directly how do you do X, do not ask for opinions, thoughts, or ideas.  Ask for the answer to your question.  If you can not envision there being a single right answer to your question, then it needs to be refined. If you forsee your question leading to discussion then it is not a good fit here.  Questions here should have correct answers.  To do that they need to be asking for practical answers, not guesses or opinions." CreationDate="2016-04-21T21:57:33.333" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8776" PostId="3596" Score="1" Text="*What problems have you solved by applying Appreciative Inquiry?* - This question is problematic because there is not &quot;One right answer&quot; It basically solicits a potentially infinate list of different problems that can be solved. - &#xA;&#xA;*How do you use Appreciative Inquiry in your workplace or as a consultant to business?*  Instead try *How can I use Appreciative Inquiry to improve our Change management process?*   The difference is asking a practical question with a definate answer.  There could be many ways to do it and that is fine but the list is effectively finite because the scope is limted" CreationDate="2016-04-21T22:03:25.537" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8777" PostId="3596" Score="0" Text="@Chad I guess you have answered my poorly-formed question: how do I improve one or more of my questions? Thank you. I don't think anyone here knows a thing about Appreciative Inquiry, so I suppose I will not try to fix it. I will try to remember how to ask a good question here, but it seems like one of those things that I do not fully understand, because my approach to things is so very different from what I see here. Maybe I should ask how I can fix that, but I am afraid I would ask wrongly. I tried once already... It is like playing Pin the Tail on the Donkey." CreationDate="2016-04-22T00:41:12.293" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="8779" PostId="3596" Score="0" Text="*I don't think anyone here knows a thing about Appreciative Inquiry* - I will admit I dont, but do not sell the whole site short.  Also these questions end up on google so someone looking for information on it may find the question, and have an answer.  In this way we bring new people into the site, and expand the knowledge base of the site. that is how this is supposed to work.  Do not be afraid to ask questions that we may not have answers to.  As long as they are well constructed questions that are on topic they will be accepted." CreationDate="2016-04-22T15:08:49.437" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8754" PostId="3597" Score="0" Text="I have struggled with this distinction all along, for about 2 years while on SE. To me, anything interactive is a discussion by definition. Yet, from your point of view, there are questions which can *only* be addressed discursively, and not definitively. Perhaps my personality type is not suited to this. I don't think in terms of solved problems, I explore new things. That is part of what made me a programmer, and why I moved on from programming once I understood it. Perhaps this could explain the people who keep showing up expecting discussions?" CreationDate="2016-04-13T17:29:45.153" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="8756" PostId="3597" Score="5" Text="Well, then move on to a discussion site. All SE sites have a strict Q&amp;A format. A question is expected to be well defined and answerable with a definite answer. Discussing things isn't what makes SE successful, there are sites that are better suited for it. You can get some discussions going in chat, though." CreationDate="2016-04-13T17:37:53.610" UserId="2380" />
  <row Id="8763" PostId="3597" Score="4" Text="@nocomprende To clarify, Polygnome isn't suggesting you leave our community or that we don't want you here.  For discussion questions, you go to discussion sites; if you have a Q&amp;A question, we welcome and embrace those here. We simply suggest using the right tool for the job, and that may mean being a member of both a discussion site as well as our Q&amp;A site. :)  Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2016-04-14T07:11:20.050" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="8768" PostId="3599" Score="0" Text="I want to say thanks for raising this issue here. Even if I disagree with reopening it, I am always glad to see more people taking an active interest in questions and meta." CreationDate="2016-04-15T14:50:52.247" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8769" PostId="3599" Score="0" Text="@enderland Thanks.  I'm still learning about this place, and I'm trying to take my questions here and chat instead of the main board" CreationDate="2016-04-15T15:37:10.577" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8770" PostId="3599" Score="2" Text="Could you explain *why* you think the question should be reopened? It wasn't closed because people were denying the existence of ageism - it was closed because it was considered too broad. Your meta question doesn't present any reasoning or evidence to show that the original question does have a reasonably scored answer." CreationDate="2016-04-15T21:35:00.933" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="8766" PostId="3600" Score="0" Text="http://fortune.com/2014/06/19/tech-job-ads-discrimination/" CreationDate="2016-04-14T20:10:53.327" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8767" PostId="3600" Score="2" Text="I don't think that refutes either of my points. It's a valid concern, but since this isn't a discussion site it needs to be phrased as an answerable question or it's going to get closed." CreationDate="2016-04-14T20:45:06.270" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8944" PostId="3603" Score="1" Text="Shameless plug: [Area51 Proposal for Non-Profits](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/96178/how-can-i-create-a-succession-plan-for-my-organization/96181) here" CreationDate="2016-05-03T17:41:51.120" UserId="716" />
  <row Id="8778" PostId="3606" Score="5" Text="We've previously discussed the issue with your posts on your [original meta question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3596/how-to-introduce-a-useful-topic-that-is-not-already-here). Your understanding of SE's purpose and scope seems fundamentally flawed. We are not an entertainment center or social circle for hire." CreationDate="2016-04-22T06:48:47.600" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8781" PostId="3606" Score="0" Text="Have you tried reddit?" CreationDate="2016-04-22T18:01:37.407" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8841" PostId="3606" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I was offering *my* services as entertainment and social companion. &quot;*Be the change you wish to see in the world.*&quot; That is all that I really know how to do. I guess I will look for other sites, but I know zero about that. My attempts on Meetup to create, co-lead or participate with in-person groups are not really taking off." CreationDate="2016-04-26T23:24:13.093" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="8782" PostId="3607" Score="1" Text="I suggest playing Diablo 2, not only can you chat away, but you can then go chop each other up in Blood Moor with fancy effects. Something we're sadly missing here in SE" CreationDate="2016-04-22T20:58:12.007" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="8842" PostId="3607" Score="0" Text="I really do like the &quot;Great question - Great answer&quot; concept, and I think I have sometimes given some good answers, and occasional good questions. But some SE sites seem much more focused than others. I wonder if there is anything other than Meetup for finding ways to meet in person? It is so scattered and uncoordinated." CreationDate="2016-04-26T23:28:43.883" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="8843" PostId="3607" Score="0" Text="Alternatives to meetup is ***wildly*** off topic here. Find another place, probably not on SE, to ask that question." CreationDate="2016-04-26T23:33:28.057" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8780" PostId="3610" Score="4" Text="Please re-read the reason it was closed. I'd say that this is a company-specific (internal) ***agreement***. As such, it's not something we can help with." CreationDate="2016-04-22T17:37:16.867" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="8792" PostId="3612" Score="1" Text="Can you cite some examples?" CreationDate="2016-04-22T23:43:15.180" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8794" PostId="3612" Score="4" Text="By what measure is the site being harmed? And do you think a &quot;welcoming attitude&quot; evidenced by calling people &quot;lemmings&quot; might harm the site even more?" CreationDate="2016-04-23T01:28:31.420" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8824" PostId="3612" Score="0" Text="@JimG [Example 1](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/65559/16) - [Example 2](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/65666/16)" CreationDate="2016-04-25T14:35:52.180" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8825" PostId="3612" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere - Then why bother having the policy at all if we are not going to enforce it.  Personally to me these types of answers reduce the usefulness of the site." CreationDate="2016-04-25T14:42:04.260" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8834" PostId="3612" Score="0" Text="@Chad - I don't know why we have this policy. We seem to have many that aren't aggressively enforced. Personally, I think up/downvoting handles incomplete answers better than any other method and I don't see evidence that the site is suffering due to the current level of moderation." CreationDate="2016-04-25T22:02:54.800" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8795" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="FYI there are 28 currently deleted comments on that question (with 13 more there now for a total if 41)... Stack exchange is not a discussion board, by design." CreationDate="2016-04-23T03:51:03.690" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8796" PostId="3613" Score="3" Text="Also I would encourage you to read through the help center page on comments - http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment - it has a lot of good content about what the purpose of comments is, when comments are intended to be used, etc (however controversial it might be)." CreationDate="2016-04-23T03:58:05.933" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8799" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="@enderland - *Criticisms which do not add anything constructive* This is subjective; If I was a moderator I would err on the side of leaving it in. Also seems that deleting comments from multiple people seems rather harsh" CreationDate="2016-04-23T04:18:44.820" UserId="27019" />
  <row Id="8800" PostId="3613" Score="0" Text="I also think there may be a cultural element to this" CreationDate="2016-04-23T04:22:09.070" UserId="27019" />
  <row Id="8822" PostId="3613" Score="3" Text="Possible duplicate of [Our Comments Problem](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2748/our-comments-problem)" CreationDate="2016-04-25T12:40:14.893" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8783" PostId="3614" Score="1" Text="Why was they just deleted and not just moved to chat? If they are just to be deleted why not have a note to say why this was the case" CreationDate="2016-04-22T22:36:39.473" UserId="27019" />
  <row Id="8784" PostId="3614" Score="4" Text="Almost half were flagged, there was no value in moving them to chat." CreationDate="2016-04-22T22:38:37.547" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="8785" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="Who makes that judgement? What about the others that was not flagged?" CreationDate="2016-04-22T22:39:20.147" UserId="27019" />
  <row Id="8786" PostId="3614" Score="3" Text="The community moderators do.  It comes back to the understanding that comments are not intended to be permanent, and when a number have been flagged _by the community_, then we may remove them." CreationDate="2016-04-22T22:42:10.580" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="8787" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="I would like to understand that a moderator can remove a comment even if was not flagged just because a comment before or after in the list has been. Also why cannot a note in that part of the interface be made to inform us lesser mortals why this is the case so we can learn?" CreationDate="2016-04-22T22:45:24.197" UserId="27019" />
  <row Id="8788" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="Perhaps this is a discussion and therefore should be deleted or moved" CreationDate="2016-04-22T22:45:53.103" UserId="27019" />
  <row Id="8789" PostId="3614" Score="1" Text="Comments can be removed at a moderator's discretion.  If you wish to discuss a thread, you are welcome to create a chat room.  I would have thought that given your considerable experience with SE communities that you would already be aware of this :)" CreationDate="2016-04-22T22:48:37.663" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="8790" PostId="3614" Score="1" Text="I have a more liberal outlook on life and think that any comment (free speech) should not be muted. Most of this will run out of steam. I think that the stuff that should be deleted is when it is offensive or personal. I am sorry that you think otherwise" CreationDate="2016-04-22T22:52:53.197" UserId="27019" />
  <row Id="8791" PostId="3614" Score="2" Text="@EdHeal: Ha! You'd be surprised. Many Internet discussions do not run out of steam. Try Reddit sometime." CreationDate="2016-04-22T23:42:29.113" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8793" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="Clearly comments get deleted only when a moderator gets tired of them. Most comments here are nothing more than extended discussion. And most of them are far from ephemeral. I have made a habit of deleting my comments once they get a few days old, so as not to contribute to the &quot;comments problem&quot; discussed here a while back. But most comments remain forever. If comments were truly intended to be ephemeral, they would become auto-deleted after a certain period of time." CreationDate="2016-04-23T01:23:02.573" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8797" PostId="3614" Score="5" Text="@ed the purpose of SE never has been to give people a platform for &quot;free speech&quot; - it's a framework for question and answer. If you want a discussion board or forum, the SE suite of sites is really not a good fit philosophically. It has a fundamentally different purpose." CreationDate="2016-04-23T04:01:13.983" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8798" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="I just think that the moderator has been a bit heavy handed in this instance and just delete comments without comment. How can somebody learn? It is about free speech. Or is it about writing comments that you think that the moderator will be happy with? Why could the moderator not just move it to chat - or perhaps the moderator is more wiser that the rest of us lesser mortals." CreationDate="2016-04-23T04:12:02.383" UserId="27019" />
  <row Id="8801" PostId="3614" Score="1" Text="@EdHeal: To some extent, it *is* about which comments make the moderators happy.http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/199302/131956" CreationDate="2016-04-23T10:35:43.260" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="8802" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="Note that freedom of the press belongs to the man who owns and operates one. SE's site, SE's titles, as implemented by the admins. I agree that there is often good info in the comments, but we've been warned often enough that they are ephemeral and may be discarded any time they start getting out of control and/or at admins whim. If you can't deal with having your deathless prose cleans up, make it an answer" CreationDate="2016-04-23T12:42:07.983" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8803" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="... Though I do wish the admin cleanup process included summarizing as an answer more often." CreationDate="2016-04-23T12:43:09.877" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8805" PostId="3614" Score="2" Text="@EdHeal - I think the Admins do the best they can. Sometimes it seems they don't delete enough, sometimes too often. But there are a LOT of comments posted, so I think that is to be expected. (And of course elections occur annually, so anyone can decide if they could do a better job and run for a position!) If it were my site, I'd leave all comments intact for a long period of time, then automatically delete them. But it's not my site - I just enjoy being here." CreationDate="2016-04-23T13:47:36.090" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8811" PostId="3614" Score="0" Text="C/titles/rules/ in above. Autocorrect..." CreationDate="2016-04-23T18:17:08.150" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8806" PostId="3615" Score="0" Text="so far you did one review is Suggested Edits. Review history is public by design, [here is yours](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/48356/peter-david-carter?tab=activity&amp;sort=reviews)" CreationDate="2016-04-23T17:08:59.317" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8807" PostId="3615" Score="0" Text="I looked. It certainly said I have... but I have never had enough rep to access the review queue, so how would that be possible?" CreationDate="2016-04-23T17:10:43.410" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="8808" PostId="3615" Score="3" Text="It was edit suggested to your post. &quot;Any user can review suggested edit on his _own_ posts without having enough privilege. &quot; ([How can a user with less than 10 rep can do a review on suggested edits?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/207061/165773))" CreationDate="2016-04-23T17:14:27.627" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8809" PostId="3615" Score="1" Text="Hhhhhhhhmmmmmmm. So other users can allocate review tasks to me, as long as it's my own? Because there's a separate badge for just 'editing' a post..." CreationDate="2016-04-23T17:15:41.467" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="8810" PostId="3615" Score="2" Text="in a sense yes. Since you have a right to review suggested edits to your posts one can say that reviewing these is &quot;allocated&quot; to you (along with other reviewers who have sufficient rep to review any edit)" CreationDate="2016-04-23T17:17:32.063" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8804" PostId="3616" Score="1" Text="Very well said!" CreationDate="2016-04-23T13:44:22.463" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8813" PostId="3616" Score="4" Text="Life experience is an acceptable and oft-appropriate way to &quot;back it up&quot;, though I do wish people would actually declare it more often.  The one-liner &quot;do X&quot; answers without any explanation of *why* (I did this, I've seen this, such-and-source says this) really need to be improved." CreationDate="2016-04-24T17:36:44.330" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8820" PostId="3616" Score="0" Text="I agree. Almost all my answers are based on life experience or common sense, mind you I get a lot of downvotes. But the downvotes just validate what Keshlam is saying." CreationDate="2016-04-25T09:45:08.490" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="8823" PostId="3616" Score="0" Text="I agree that life experience is a valid source.  I am not talking about answers that are complete and explain why using personal experience.  I am talking about answers that are one or 2 lines, that do not make any attempt to explain why, but just play on the populism of the statement for votes." CreationDate="2016-04-25T14:25:46.830" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9103" PostId="3616" Score="1" Text="@Chad, there are many different kinds of answers. Some of the longer mansplained answers are just as ineffectual as poorly-reasoned quips. If you think an answer is poor just provide your own and/or downvote or comment on the other. Why do you need more?" CreationDate="2016-05-10T01:01:32.290" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="9104" PostId="3616" Score="0" Text="Interestingly, one can't downvote comments, only flag them if they are really problematic. Another way/indication SE considers comments secondary and really wants Answers to the long-term data. I'd feel better if there was some organized way of summarizing comments and making sure the valuable ones were retained, beyond the &quot;please edit this in&quot; pleas... But there isn't. Nature of Stack Exchange. Sigh/shrug." CreationDate="2016-05-10T01:35:56.883" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9125" PostId="3616" Score="0" Text="@keshlam there is a meta post about them : http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/278859/163292" CreationDate="2016-05-10T15:00:50.590" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9126" PostId="3616" Score="0" Text="@teego1967 - I have specified not talking about bad answers in general just really crappy short answers that say something popular like: &quot;X is a stupid idea in the first place dont do that.&quot;  They get tons of votes but are of no value to anyone." CreationDate="2016-05-10T15:02:20.173" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9153" PostId="3616" Score="1" Text="@Chad, you should consider _why_ the answers you're talking about get &quot;tons of votes&quot;. It means there's a thread of value there regardless of what you may think. Perhaps it needs further elaboration, or perhaps its a fluke. It just doesn't seem like an egregious problem (your examples aren't particularly compelling). You still haven't spelled out exactly what you propose to do with such answers, anyway." CreationDate="2016-05-11T10:39:10.663" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="9154" PostId="3616" Score="0" Text="And sometimes &quot;you are asking the wrong question&quot; really ___is___ the only right answer. SE has a long-establised concept of _A/B questions_ referring to exactly that usage pattern.  If you think it's not the right answer, you can already do something about that: downvote it and/or offer a better one. &quot;No problem found; working as designed.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-05-11T11:01:04.250" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8812" PostId="3618" Score="1" Text="That's good insight. However, I think the same argument could be applied to matters of sex, race, religion and nationality, and still I've seen some great answers on this site treating the subjects. I agree that they are closer to advise than an actual solution (all in all, we are still strangers on the internet) but I think that does not make it less useful." CreationDate="2016-04-24T16:01:52.923" UserId="25611" />
  <row Id="8819" PostId="3618" Score="3" Text="Great answers does not mean they were good questions. The tail does not wag the dog; an exception is not a precedent. And some of these may in fact have been workspace specific enough to pass." CreationDate="2016-04-24T22:38:57.803" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8814" PostId="3619" Score="0" Text="Ah! I don't seem to see those very often so I just assumed they only occurred under special circumstances." CreationDate="2016-04-24T17:51:30.000" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="8815" PostId="3620" Score="1" Text="Thanks a lot! For future reference, does the edit itself trigger the review process to reopen? If I am ever in the same situation, should I still create a meta-question?" CreationDate="2016-04-24T17:56:37.527" UserId="25611" />
  <row Id="8816" PostId="3620" Score="2" Text="If the question is still *on hold* (not yet *closed*), an edit triggers the review.  Feel free to ask on meta, particularly if it seems to be taking a while, or the question was somehow contentious, or you're not sure if the edit addressed people's concerns, etc." CreationDate="2016-04-24T18:00:54.910" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8817" PostId="3620" Score="1" Text="I really appreciate the guidance and the help. Thanks!" CreationDate="2016-04-24T18:01:49.580" UserId="25611" />
  <row Id="8818" PostId="3620" Score="1" Text="Happy to help!  I hope you get some useful answers for your friend." CreationDate="2016-04-24T18:04:57.600" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8821" PostId="3620" Score="4" Text="@Alpha exact conditions when question edits automatically trigger reopen review are [described in this post at MSE](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/196078/165773)" CreationDate="2016-04-25T12:36:56.483" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8826" PostId="3622" Score="1" Text="Which question are you looking at? This user's only question says nothing about something being humorous." CreationDate="2016-04-25T18:20:50.527" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8827" PostId="3622" Score="1" Text="It was in one of the comments." CreationDate="2016-04-25T18:22:32.610" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="8830" PostId="3622" Score="0" Text="Yes, I did do that.  I realize now it was my mistake.  This is probably not the best forum for this type of discussion." CreationDate="2016-04-25T19:32:40.940" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="8833" PostId="3622" Score="2" Text="We dont like fun here... https://blog.stackoverflow.com/2010/01/stack-overflow-where-we-hate-fun/" CreationDate="2016-04-25T21:39:41.627" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8829" PostId="3623" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the clarification.  I apologize for my first comment.  I deleted it.  In my mind, these rigid definitions and proscriptive requirements are not conducive to welcoming people into the online community.  On the other hand, I do understand the need to maintain focus on the goals of the community.  In my mind, i did ask a question with a real answer in my mind.  Is delivering an ultimatum in this context bullying as we normally understand bullying in a workplace?  If this is not the forum discussing that, that is OK." CreationDate="2016-04-25T19:31:58.770" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="8831" PostId="3623" Score="2" Text="@mrsuttonsaiditfirst &quot;Is delivering an ultimatum in this context bullying as we normally understand bullying in a workplace?&quot; Even that wording is a much clearer and answerable question. I still think it would be off-topic, because answers would be too opinion-based and it would invite a discussion. And in fact it would be an interesting discussion, but [Stack Exchange isn't about discussions](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/3597/16983), it's about concrete questions and answers." CreationDate="2016-04-25T19:41:46.033" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8832" PostId="3623" Score="3" Text="And as to your deleted comment, yes, sometimes the Workplace can be perceived as unwelcoming. Even more-so when some of us &quot;higher-power&quot; users don't always have the energy to kindly explain to the dozens of off-topic questions a day from new users, and instead just turn to being straightforward and possibly blunt. There's been [some discussion](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3549/is-the-workplace-unwelcoming) on this already." CreationDate="2016-04-25T19:49:52.613" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8835" PostId="3623" Score="0" Text="I appreciate the ongoing dialog and openness to it.  I'm aligned with an epistemological tradition that knowledge is not opinion.  However, I'm also in a tradition that acknowledges the possibility of error (a form of fallibilism).  The meaning of words in various contexts is an extremely challenging area.  I was appealing to this community to validate my intuitions about bullying in a workplace context.  Please don't take this as an attempt to win favor or anything else.  I respect the authority of users who are administering the community to define the boundaries." CreationDate="2016-04-25T22:04:07.943" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="8844" PostId="3623" Score="1" Text="Speaking to the community to validate your own opinion usually results in a bad question, precisely because it's about opinion." CreationDate="2016-04-27T03:07:18.793" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8836" PostId="3624" Score="4" Text="I voted to reopen but wish I hadn't now that I noticed that the OP rolled back my edit for some reason. Not saying that my edit was perfect but the original version of this question doesn't belong on this site in that form and I'd vote to reclose this with its current wording." CreationDate="2016-04-26T06:12:35.390" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8837" PostId="3624" Score="1" Text="it's obviously too broad. If you look at the differences between the 2 top voted answers, they are almost polar opposites. It is not unfair to say that there are many more answers that are much more extreme and go in between. To be honest, this reminds me of all the 3rd wave feminism vs equalism conversations. There is no right answer that could satisfy everyone." CreationDate="2016-04-26T07:15:50.473" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="8840" PostId="3624" Score="3" Text="I agree with @Lilienthal; that edit made the question suitable, but the current (rolled-back) version has problems.  The OP did not respond to a comment asking for an explanation of that rollback." CreationDate="2016-04-26T15:58:50.547" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8838" PostId="3625" Score="0" Text="`There are literally books written on this very subject` I get the feeling this is getting more political than it needs to be (correct me if I'm wrong). This is not about how to treat women, it's about how to deal with women since the OP has never had to do it before. Practical advice vs political philosophy. Again, correct me if I misunderstood what  you meant by the sentence I quoted." CreationDate="2016-04-26T08:31:31.530" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="8839" PostId="3625" Score="3" Text="@rath This should not be taken as the question should not be asked somewhere.  It just does not belong here." CreationDate="2016-04-26T15:32:32.940" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8847" PostId="3629" Score="5" Text="A lot of those might be a better fit on [startups](http://startups.stackexchange.com/)?" CreationDate="2016-04-29T14:27:31.283" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8848" PostId="3629" Score="0" Text="Why would that be limited to startups?  Large companies also have investors, publicly or privately trade.  Does Workplace limit itself to those who wouldn't deal with it?" CreationDate="2016-04-29T14:41:23.520" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="8858" PostId="3629" Score="0" Text="Because the workplace is about navigating the workplace environment not about investing and starting a business.  questions about managing a company are on topic but how they get investmetns would be off topic." CreationDate="2016-04-29T19:20:56.747" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8859" PostId="3629" Score="0" Text="@Chad how do you figure?  VC negotiations impact the workplace just the same as any other topic on here." CreationDate="2016-04-29T19:31:37.283" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="8860" PostId="3629" Score="0" Text="Well then feel free to ask questions if a new tag is warrented for a question it will get added." CreationDate="2016-04-29T19:52:22.950" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="8861" PostId="3629" Score="0" Text="Yes? I did? Can someone put this as an answer already?  I said @RichardU was correct in what he was saying in Lillienthal's answer and I asked if he could put that as answer.   Your welcome to too Chad, as far as I know at least." CreationDate="2016-04-29T19:54:36.620" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="8849" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="How would VCs/Investors be off topic?  There is no rule excluding questions on this as far as I'm aware?" CreationDate="2016-04-29T14:41:55.317" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="8850" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="Here's my VC question, how is this off topic? http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/66167/negotiating-with-venture-capitalists-while-employed-elsewhere" CreationDate="2016-04-29T14:42:39.833" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="8851" PostId="3630" Score="3" Text="@JeffQuick Not having a tag does not mean it's off topic, simply that the topic is not frequently addressed or addressed enough to justify creating a tag for it.  Ask enough questions and it might earn a tag" CreationDate="2016-04-29T14:44:22.820" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8852" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Ok that's fair.  Want to make that an answer?" CreationDate="2016-04-29T14:44:59.987" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="8853" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="@JeffQuick Whether the entire subject is off-topic has no relevance to the question of whether a tag should be created. I've expanded my answer to clarify the conditions for tag creation (as I see them). My search filters were too strict to catch your question, whether that's on-topic is not that relevant to this meta question." CreationDate="2016-04-29T18:11:00.450" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8854" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal care to elaborate? All I got from that was confusion on what you're trying to say." CreationDate="2016-04-29T18:44:11.743" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="8855" PostId="3630" Score="1" Text="@JeffQuick This meta question is asking why there is no tag for VC. Whether or not your question (that could potentially be tagged as [tag:VC]) is on-topic or not does not matter for this meta question." CreationDate="2016-04-29T18:49:42.150" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8856" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="Yes I agree.  So your point is?" CreationDate="2016-04-29T18:50:24.867" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="8857" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="By that logic, your answer is irrelevant." CreationDate="2016-04-29T18:58:01.320" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="8862" PostId="3630" Score="2" Text="@JeffQuick Feel free to think that, but I suggest reading it again as you don't seem to understand what I'm getting at." CreationDate="2016-04-30T11:37:18.620" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8890" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="@JeffQuick &quot;Q:Why don't we have a tag X? A:We don't have enough questions or expectation of future questions about X to justify it.&quot;  I think you are trying to pick a battle about VC relations being on topic and are missing the point that On/Off topic is not the driver for tag creation." CreationDate="2016-05-02T22:50:47.900" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="8918" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="@Myles I'm not picking battles.  That would be Lilienthal.  I already asked 2 other people if they could make  &quot;A:We don't have enough questions or expectation of future questions about X to justify it.&quot; They answer if you look through the other comments." CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:54:15.157" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="8946" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="@JeffQuick You realise that that's basically what my answer says as well?" CreationDate="2016-05-03T19:58:57.647" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8950" PostId="3630" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal where does it say that?  Your answer is wordy and confusing beyond the list." CreationDate="2016-05-03T23:35:18.250" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="9117" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="I made an userscript for those who need to highlight those tags. However there's currently no way to even get a list of country related tags. If you even want to start with this, you need naming and wiki contents convention." CreationDate="2016-05-10T13:46:35.083" UserId="45619" />
  <row Id="9159" PostId="3631" Score="1" Text="I have asked the same question at [Academia.SE](http://meta.academia.stackexchange.com/q/3327/4140). If multiple sites have the same feature request, the good people at SE might look more kindly upon it." CreationDate="2016-05-11T14:13:39.390" UserId="17125" />
  <row Id="9175" PostId="3631" Score="3" Text="@StephanKolassa I think it could work at both Academia.SE and Expats.SE (I am a mod at both) and off the top of my head it might be useful at Travel.SE,  Money.SE, and Law.SE. It might be better to ask on the Meta.SE." CreationDate="2016-05-11T23:17:44.713" UserId="22537" />
  <row Id="9188" PostId="3631" Score="1" Text="@StrongBad: excellent suggestion. I have [asked the question at Meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/279254/256777), linking here." CreationDate="2016-05-12T07:41:54.697" UserId="17125" />
  <row Id="9208" PostId="3631" Score="0" Text="Related at MSE (tag groups in general, not only countries -- other sites could benefit too): http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/278889/162102" CreationDate="2016-05-12T21:29:00.120" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8863" PostId="3632" Score="3" Text="This is pretty much already possible. Country tags exist, and you can search by tag. For example, let's say you want to ask about &quot;Serving notice period&quot;, but only as it applies to India, you can use [this search](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=%5Bindia%5D+Serving+notice+period). What Lilienthal is asking about it **visually** making country tags distinct from other tags, so that they stand out more." CreationDate="2016-05-02T11:48:40.557" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8876" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="Are you 100% certain? Because when I read the 'CSS love' bit in massive orange writing I totally thought we were talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_(band) . Now you point it out it seems very obvious. **I understand that in some places employers can pretty much get away with whatever they want.**" CreationDate="2016-05-02T18:51:24.083" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="8882" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="@PeterDavidCarter On the off chance that this isn't a joke that went over my head, the orange writing is a hyperlink to the wiki page for Cascading Style Sheets. So yes this is only about making the tags more visible. Site analytics are available for 25K+ reputation users but I'm not entirely clear on what those offer." CreationDate="2016-05-02T20:14:47.237" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8887" PostId="3632" Score="0" Text="It *was* supposed to be a joke... :/ Kinda. I dunno. I get confused when I try to explain things to people. Like, it seems obvious or something and then I don't know... like, they don't know things or something but maybe not and then it upsets me :/." CreationDate="2016-05-02T21:24:13.903" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="8870" PostId="3633" Score="1" Text="As discussed on some of the topics I linked, we want to avoid turning country tags into meta tags that are added to every question, even when the location isn't important. I'd like to avoid taking this off-topic so I'd suggest making a separate meta question about your suggestion." CreationDate="2016-05-02T14:33:21.750" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8866" PostId="3634" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure what to think, but am glad you raised this here. It definitely feels like an ok question even if it's not &quot;technically&quot; a workplace question, it still relates fairly well to the Workplace. But... it's not about the Workplace (but we do have volunteer related things here too)." CreationDate="2016-05-02T13:23:34.333" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8867" PostId="3634" Score="0" Text="@enderland agreed.  It  may not be an EXACT fit, but it still has many workplace applications, including volunteer work." CreationDate="2016-05-02T13:25:12.007" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8875" PostId="3634" Score="5" Text="***&quot;Should this be closed?&quot;*** - No. If a few details were altered, or left out this would be 100% on topic (for example a social committee asking for donations at an off-site event)." CreationDate="2016-05-02T15:01:07.917" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8889" PostId="3634" Score="1" Text="@enderland Volunteer questions would revolve around the interactions with other volunteers and the management of those volunteers. Client interactions would be borderline but have been judged on-topic in the past I think. I have trouble calling students at a volunteer-run course clients when so little organisation is involved." CreationDate="2016-05-02T21:30:05.860" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8891" PostId="3634" Score="0" Text="How do I get my neighbors to buy more girl scout cookies from my niece?" CreationDate="2016-05-02T22:55:05.077" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9264" PostId="3634" Score="0" Text="Is the post by a mod?" CreationDate="2016-05-23T14:29:14.747" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="8864" PostId="3635" Score="3" Text="I don't think it's the same as putting out a donation box at the office. On the one hand, logistically, people can come and go at the office, which is not the case in a classroom setting. Secondly, there is a difference between asking your colleagues for a donation and asking your non-paying clients/students for a donation." CreationDate="2016-05-02T12:23:36.180" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8865" PostId="3635" Score="0" Text="And as to your last point, yes, you are correct. It just always pains me to see an otherwise good question get turned away because it doesn't fit anywhere." CreationDate="2016-05-02T12:24:32.983" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="8872" PostId="3635" Score="3" Text="@DavidK - ***&quot;there is a difference between asking your colleagues for a donation and asking your non-paying clients/students for a donation&quot;*** - there's a hundred different variations of this question in an office setting (or regarding a company event at a different location) that would be appropriate. I think what you're really getting stuck on is the fact that this is taking place in a classroom. Personally, I agree with Stephan: this is on-topic." CreationDate="2016-05-02T14:48:25.037" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8920" PostId="3635" Score="0" Text="It would set a bad precedent if we allowed off-topic questions by &quot;editing the question somehow to shoehorn a workplace scenario&quot;. This site should not be a catch all for &quot;what if this happened at a workplace&quot; questions. We have closed several questions which were based on hypothetical situations, the spirit of this answer goes against it. I could have misunderstood though." CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:57:24.263" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8868" PostId="3636" Score="0" Text="Many work-related questions have multiple answers and answers that are not easy to get.  That doesn't make it too broad, just tricky.  Are we afraid of difficult questions now?" CreationDate="2016-05-02T13:26:32.240" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8873" PostId="3636" Score="2" Text="The possible answer set is actually not that large: PO Box, jar, pass a basket, PayPal, plus maybe one or two more. That's _nothing_ compared to what answering some other questions entail." CreationDate="2016-05-02T14:49:58.500" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8869" PostId="3637" Score="1" Text="Keep in mind that those tags already exist in site consensus seems to be that they are useful but should be used with caution. Basically that means: don't tag unless the location is relevant and actually affects possible answers. This suggestion is specifically about making them more visible to further encourage their use *and* to make it clear that there's a regional factor at play. (Your answer seems to support the suggestion but you can argue that tags are already clear and distinct without additional formatting." CreationDate="2016-05-02T14:30:09.297" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8871" PostId="3637" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal Sorry, I'm not always as clear as I should be.  I'll edit." CreationDate="2016-05-02T14:38:25.580" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8883" PostId="3637" Score="0" Text="No problem, just wanted to make sure that everyone's on the same page." CreationDate="2016-05-02T20:15:44.313" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8874" PostId="3638" Score="3" Text="It feels off-topic because you're getting stuck on the &quot;classroom&quot; aspect of it. There's a million settings in which a social committee might ask for donations at an off-site company event which would generate the same answers." CreationDate="2016-05-02T14:52:45.153" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8877" PostId="3639" Score="0" Text="I disagree as I feel that country flags might seem to indicate an 'alignment' with a country one does not feel a kinship with anymore. No offense to your answer, which is generally a well considered one, but I wish to register my disagreement. I would not want to be considered anything other than opposed to the current UK government, and their regime, whether regarding employment or general political action." CreationDate="2016-05-02T19:11:16.157" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="8878" PostId="3639" Score="2" Text="@PeterDavidCarter that had not occurred to me. Does a *tag* icon convey *personal allegiance*?  Do hardcore Ubuntu users avoid asking Windows-related questions on SO for fear of being seen as Microsoft fans?  I'm not trying to challenge your feelings; we all have them and should own them, as you're doing here.  I'm just trying to understand it and its implications." CreationDate="2016-05-02T19:18:01.437" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8879" PostId="3639" Score="0" Text="It was just where you said 'I think *national flags* are pretty safe from that kind of confusion'. I love my country and I *very muc*h love many of the people I know here, but I do not love my government, nor the current lack of employment rights or representation (unless one happens to be rich or curry favour with the power-brokers, which, perhaps sadly, it is not in my nature to do). I would feel a flag relating to a national tag would send out the wrong message in this regard." CreationDate="2016-05-02T19:27:06.617" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="8880" PostId="3639" Score="0" Text="@PeterDavidCarter thanks.  I see now.  And yes, not everybody who lives somewhere loves that place's current government; believe me, I understand *that*.  So maybe a generic icon for the country tags?" CreationDate="2016-05-02T19:42:49.840" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8881" PostId="3639" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I think I would prefer that. I would just like people to know, as much as is possible, how employment is in particular countries, as a general rule." CreationDate="2016-05-02T19:46:18.513" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="8884" PostId="3639" Score="4" Text="Wouldn't you sooner associate a country flag with the people and culture of that country than with its politics? That said though, it *could* be a sensitive topic and I also think that a generic &quot;globe&quot; icon for all location tags would be more appropriate and avoid the giant political mess that could ensue. It would also be useful for the [tag:europe] and [tag:asia] tags and any other locale tags that might conceivably be created to group areas with a similar cultural mindset. Not saying that those are useful or should be created (that should be an organic process) but it's an added bonus." CreationDate="2016-05-02T20:21:44.000" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8885" PostId="3639" Score="2" Text="@Lilienthal good point about regions that don't have their own flags, and good idea about using a globe.  I've updated this answer to remove flags and just suggest a single icon for all the location tags." CreationDate="2016-05-02T20:29:55.340" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9220" PostId="3639" Score="1" Text="@PeterDavidCarter: I must say, I do not completely understand your doubts. Very similar points are often brought forth with respect to flags representing languages, and there, these points absolutely make sense IMO: A given language can be spoken in several countries, and more so, users are often asked to *identify* with a language (by configuring their account or an application to use a given language), and thereby indirectly also with the flag. I see why this can be undesirable. But how does it apply to question tags? On sites like Law SE, Travel SE, or Academia SE, questions that really ..." CreationDate="2016-05-14T17:52:22.777" UserId="19158" />
  <row Id="9221" PostId="3639" Score="1" Text="... lend themselves to receiving country tags are those that are strongly coupled to particular legal or otherwise aspects, specifically in the way they occur exactly in the given country, often tightly linked to the country's current legal framework. Isn't this *exactly* what is denoted by the country flag, rather than any kind of endorsement for the country's legal and political situation as such?" CreationDate="2016-05-14T17:54:55.497" UserId="19158" />
  <row Id="8888" PostId="3640" Score="1" Text="Of course schools are workplaces. Those people are being paid to be there, which is why it's a job. Social engineering of contributions to a volunteer-run course isn't a job. The OP doesn't have clients he has students that he helps out of his own free will." CreationDate="2016-05-02T21:27:58.203" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8921" PostId="3640" Score="1" Text="&quot;One of the toilet flush in my office washroom is broken, how do I find a plumber to repair it?&quot; Plenty of questions like those would be on-topic by shoehorning workplace somehow into the question." CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:01:02.233" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8892" PostId="3641" Score="0" Text="I agree. Not on-topic in my eyes. Now, how do I get homeowners in my HOA to vote for board members?" CreationDate="2016-05-02T22:57:41.980" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8898" PostId="3644" Score="0" Text="I don't even know. I'd certainly delete my answer now if I could." CreationDate="2016-05-03T09:39:23.370" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="8903" PostId="3644" Score="28" Text="If someone wrote a question like &quot;What's the best way to pretend to be at work, so I can instead go fool around with my girlfriend without my wife knowing?&quot; - would that be on-topic? How about &quot;What's the best way to steal office supplies?&quot; Or &quot;What the best way to cover up embezzlement at the office?&quot; What flavor of questions do we want to encourage here?" CreationDate="2016-05-03T11:23:11.970" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8904" PostId="3644" Score="0" Text="I agree that those questions do not feel right (embezzlement and theft are illegal though, but this is obviously not your point) and thus should not be asked, but that's my opinion.&#xA;&#xA;Furthermore, if that question should not be here, what can I do about it ? It is not actually against the rules, should I just downvote it ? Or is there a way I can flag it ? Should we be able to flag those sleazy questions ?" CreationDate="2016-05-03T11:34:41.073" UserId="49840" />
  <row Id="8905" PostId="3644" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere in that case, Should we be able to flag questions for being plain unethical and illegal? Because that's what you're basically saying here. If that's case I'd wholeheartedly agree if you are. But other than being unethical I don't see the question committing any serious problems." CreationDate="2016-05-03T11:51:58.457" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="8906" PostId="3644" Score="2" Text="I think what @JoeStrazzere means is that the whole point of The Workplace is providing answers to people to help making their working lives better. Unethical questions are often not contributing to this goal, and do not correspond to the spirit of this SE.&#xA;Again, I understand that such a question can follow the rules, but still be unwanted on The Workplace. What should we do about it then ?" CreationDate="2016-05-03T11:58:55.757" UserId="49840" />
  <row Id="8922" PostId="3644" Score="1" Text="I think the OP has found a perfect answer to his own question without knowing it... [Being progressive in the work zone without alienating yourself](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/66385/being-progressive-in-the-work-zone-without-alienating-yourself)" CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:02:26.697" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="8926" PostId="3644" Score="3" Text="I just closed it (cast the 4th/5th votes). I am not sure what to do with it overall, but I can tell you that leaving it on the Hot Network Questions to accumulate even _more_ flags? Not high on the &quot;ways the question will be good&quot; list." CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:08:00.650" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8927" PostId="3644" Score="6" Text="I also deleted a fair bit of comments and at least one joke (I think?) answer. I'm not at all convinced this question is remotely appropriate since it is pretty clearly an XY problem at best and someone clearly trolling at worst." CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:15:55.107" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8931" PostId="3644" Score="3" Text="Given the second question he asked, which is now gone, I am pretty sure he's trolling.  Just wondering how he got such a high rep." CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:40:23.877" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8932" PostId="3644" Score="0" Text="I am a bit disappointed because people focused on the question rather than on the idea of having on-topic content on SE which ethicality is questionable. I feel like people missed the point of my question, but it might be because I did not word it correctly." CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:44:16.907" UserId="49840" />
  <row Id="8935" PostId="3644" Score="1" Text="@RichardU The poster doesn't really have any rep here - 100 association bonus for having rep elsewhere, and then ~75 rep for the question under discussion (upvotes being worth more than downvotes). I'm wondering how the question got 23 upvotes - did it hit the hot network questions list?" CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:56:44.033" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="8936" PostId="3644" Score="3" Text="@PhilipKendall yes, it was on Hot Network Questions prior to being closed - this contributed to why I closed it, a controversial question such as this sticking on there is not a fun situation for anyone (except people who like to make joke comments when they see the link on the sidebar...)." CreationDate="2016-05-03T15:00:31.853" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8937" PostId="3644" Score="0" Text="@enderland, it was pretty funny though, as was Kilisi's answer" CreationDate="2016-05-03T15:02:52.527" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8938" PostId="3644" Score="1" Text="@sheldonator: you might need to re-raise the question without reference to this one blatently bad example." CreationDate="2016-05-03T15:27:11.420" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8939" PostId="3644" Score="0" Text="You can always flag a question for &quot;other&quot; and describe why you want the admins to look at it. That covers a host of sins..." CreationDate="2016-05-03T15:29:24.387" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8949" PostId="3644" Score="0" Text="I was expecting my answer to be downvoted into oblivion despite being a perfectly reasonable resolution strategy.... however it was UPVOTED into oblivion instead, which is pretty amusing :-)" CreationDate="2016-05-03T21:39:39.853" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="8961" PostId="3644" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Technically speaking, your answer was viable to do exactly what OP wanted" CreationDate="2016-05-04T06:47:35.560" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="8962" PostId="3644" Score="0" Text="@Magisch yeah I know, it was probably deleted unfairly since it doesn't actually violate any guidelines, but que sera sera :-) (it would also work for someone seeking a divorce though)" CreationDate="2016-05-04T06:52:42.650" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="8963" PostId="3644" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi I think more that this whole Q needs to go" CreationDate="2016-05-04T06:53:14.273" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="8964" PostId="3644" Score="0" Text="@Magisch ~shrugs~ I don't really have an opinion on that, could argue either side." CreationDate="2016-05-04T06:55:25.570" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="8999" PostId="3644" Score="0" Text="I've just cast the final deletion vote. I've added the status history to the question here for future reference." CreationDate="2016-05-04T20:02:06.063" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="8894" PostId="3645" Score="3" Text="2. This is about OP's behavior, and not the question, though." CreationDate="2016-05-03T08:59:15.443" UserId="49840" />
  <row Id="8895" PostId="3645" Score="0" Text="True. My personal belief is however that if borderline question comes from bad behaving user, it gains more reasons to get closed." CreationDate="2016-05-03T09:00:19.193" UserId="27375" />
  <row Id="8896" PostId="3645" Score="0" Text="I edited the answer a lot, adding my other speculation" CreationDate="2016-05-03T09:34:36.417" UserId="27375" />
  <row Id="8897" PostId="3645" Score="0" Text="Mmh... Being able to apply the question to another context does not mean the question is not on-topic, this sounds highly fallacious to me.&#xA;&#xA;Someone being harassed by his coworkers could ask a question (of course, this is probably a duplicate, this is not the point) about how to handle it, and you could say that it is not workplace related because you could replace &quot;someone&quot; by &quot;some kid&quot; and &quot;coworkers&quot; by &quot;classmates&quot; and it would still make sense." CreationDate="2016-05-03T09:38:57.230" UserId="49840" />
  <row Id="8899" PostId="3645" Score="5" Text="I admit I am totally speculating here. But if you replace &quot;future employer&quot; with &quot;family member&quot; as OP suggests, then the real answer is: &quot;Grow a pair and talk to your relatives about how do you hate your current job&quot;" CreationDate="2016-05-03T09:41:57.760" UserId="27375" />
  <row Id="8900" PostId="3645" Score="0" Text="I do not agree. You don't get fired from your family (... well, in a sense, you could, if it's about inheritance), and you don't get guaranteed offers to get into another family once you're fired from your current one. The contexts are completely different and can hardly be compared." CreationDate="2016-05-03T09:45:04.493" UserId="49840" />
  <row Id="8901" PostId="3645" Score="0" Text="@Sheldonator: The wording of that comment (&quot;whose really interested&quot;) makes it clear that this is not just another way to apply that question, but that this is the real thing behind it." CreationDate="2016-05-03T09:51:27.850" UserId="16712" />
  <row Id="8902" PostId="3645" Score="0" Text="You seem to be right. I'll flag the question, then.&#xA;&#xA;My original question doesn't change though. I used this one because it seemed to illustrate my point, but it's still about correctly formulated on-topic questions with questionable (but legal) intent." CreationDate="2016-05-03T10:01:19.163" UserId="49840" />
  <row Id="8919" PostId="3645" Score="0" Text="@Sheldonator, re #2, arguably the same attitude/behavior is found in the question itself in the note at the top." CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:56:08.623" UserDisplayName="user45590" />
  <row Id="8907" PostId="3647" Score="2" Text="I don't think its off topic, but I think its unsavory enough that we don't want or need it here." CreationDate="2016-05-03T12:28:25.613" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="8917" PostId="3647" Score="11" Text="I interpret the question as being secretly about a divorce, not getting fired.  As such, blatantly off topic (despite being disguised as on topic)." CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:53:11.110" UserDisplayName="user45590" />
  <row Id="8929" PostId="3647" Score="2" Text="I think until the OP makes the question squarely about the Workplace it cannot be on topic here. Given the refusal to answer actual questions that might make it on topic and address them in the post I find it hard to believe the OP is actually asking a real question." CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:17:58.467" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8957" PostId="3647" Score="0" Text="Well you answered the &quot;is *this* question OK&quot; but I was hoping we'd go for a broader category, a generalization like you did in the comments. The *flavor of questions* route looked promising." CreationDate="2016-05-04T06:32:40.927" UserId="1086" />
  <row Id="8965" PostId="3647" Score="0" Text="I want to ask another question to generalize the scope of this one, but I don't know if it's OK. I feel like it's too late to edit this one though." CreationDate="2016-05-04T07:29:30.243" UserId="49840" />
  <row Id="8908" PostId="3649" Score="0" Text="Why not asking the OP to indicate the concerned culture when you think that has importance for the question?" CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:00:37.017" UserId="38233" />
  <row Id="8909" PostId="3649" Score="1" Text="@bilbo_pingouin In my opinion every question and answer would be improved with this. We shouldn't have to assume or ask." CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:02:04.867" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="8910" PostId="3649" Score="3" Text="A lot of users aren't too keen to provide too many details about themselves, sometimes for good reasons. So enforcing it would probably be a recipe for missing on potentially good questions. Having a systematic  focus on one culture might render many question far too specific and useless for people not from that culture. You'd see a multiplication of dupes: &quot;How to quit in the USA, how to quit in India, how to quit in Spain, how to quit in Bahrein, how to quit in Japan, ...&quot; If the answers indicate which culture they talk about, it might be much more interesting than limiting the questions." CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:09:01.113" UserId="38233" />
  <row Id="8911" PostId="3649" Score="3" Text="But just country flags would introduce a different form of bias into it. Within a country there can be vastly different cultures, and quite frankly, many people would hit the downvote button on certain countrys they don't like almost instinctively." CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:10:38.030" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="8912" PostId="3649" Score="0" Text="@bilbo_pingouin I understand we'd have to give the option to be anonymous. But hopefully many people would be proud of their country and want to share that. Also this shouldn't generate dupes if the question is generic enough. But in the answers we could have something from India and something from UK. So that would inform me of it's relevance. And I might learn something from all of them." CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:14:22.287" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="8913" PostId="3649" Score="0" Text="@Magisch I understand the fear, but I hope we have enough good people that it wouldn't be a problem." CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:16:09.233" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="8915" PostId="3649" Score="2" Text="@Magisch Very true.  The USA has VERY different standards from region to region and even state to state, for example.  I know this is also true in Germany" CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:21:50.667" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8916" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="The thing about culture is that people don't think about it. We need some way to bring that forward in a way that is pleasing. This would greatly improve the usefulness of this site." CreationDate="2016-05-03T13:25:59.627" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="8925" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="Oh, people do think about it and do it purposely all the time. Just start counting the number of questions where OP has clearly spelled out their country and cultural context, only for half of the answers to start with &quot;Don't know about country X, but here in the US ...&quot; followed by a lengthy explanation of how everything is better in the US, and why the OP is an idiot for following such a stupid culture. None of it benefits the OP or even any other user, but it gets massive number of upvotes anyway." CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:07:05.470" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8933" PostId="3650" Score="3" Text="@MaskedMan I downvote nearly all of those answers I read. I wish other people did the same." CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:48:31.050" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8934" PostId="3650" Score="1" Text="@D_Bester some people think about it; we definitely have answers that start by describing the answerer's context.  We need to encourage people to do this more, but I don't think the proposed mechanism is the way to do it." CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:54:35.167" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8945" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan That's only because we are so much better in the USA, at least in the fact that we don't paint all posters from a particular nation with that broad brush." CreationDate="2016-05-03T19:21:54.100" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8958" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I am not denying that US is much better, just that it is not relevant to the question asked. As for the painting, maybe *you* don't, but a lot of others do. (Example: There are some 30-odd questions here about relieving letter issues, hence, *every* employer in India abuses *every* employee by denying them the relieving letter.) Anyway, I did not claim that all US posters are like that, I am sorry if you got that impression." CreationDate="2016-05-04T06:37:02.157" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8970" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I actually know a bit about India and it's laws.  The laws regarding relieving letters make it very easy for Indian businesses to abuse them.  European and American businesses doing business in India tend to not abuse those laws for fear of backlash in their home nations.  So, to a degree, those people are right about Indian businesses, they're just right for the wrong reason.  And I apologize for being snarky.  I am in an amazingly bad humor due to events in RL.  Please don't take anything I say personally." CreationDate="2016-05-04T12:15:18.660" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8974" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="@Richard I am Indian, I know a lot more than &quot;a bit&quot; about India. The relieving letter problem is not as serious as you guys make it appear, and this holds even in proper Indian companies. I keep telling people here all the time, but they just don't want to give up their prejudices. But anyway, I will complain about it and keep trying ... sigh. No worries about your comments, I don't take anything on teh interwebz too seriously. I hope your RL issues get resolved soon. Good luck. :)" CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:04:26.627" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8978" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Sorry, that came off as condescending, I realize that.  What I meant to say is that the internationals are fearful of looking bad.  The mere notion that you need to be released by a company is repugnant to many in Europe and the US, so even the accusation of abuse of such is enough to make them behave(mostly).  I think much of what you're seeing is more of a visceral cultural reaction to the existence of the relieving letter more than anything else.  Stereotypes exist because a few bad examples stick in memory." CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:27:32.610" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8992" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="@RichardU No, I didn't consider it condescending, even if you thought so! :o In this case, stereotypes exist because people want to believe in them. Considering the size of the Indian workforce and the number of &quot;relieving letter abuse&quot; cases, it there enough evidence to conclude that the whole country is rife with abusive employers? Did people from across the world stop attending US universities after the Virginia Tech Shootout? Looking at the [Wikipedia page](http://www.videocond2h.com/wsc/south_packages.aspx), we can &quot;safely&quot; conclude that US universities are full of shady characters." CreationDate="2016-05-04T17:27:13.797" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8996" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Yep, only the bad stuff makes it to the media.  But you're right about the universities containing shady characters, just not of the shooter type." CreationDate="2016-05-04T18:38:28.047" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8997" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="Hey @RichardU, Masked Man, could you get a room?  I'm getting pinged on every comment in this conversation and it doesn't seem to be about my post any more.  Thanks!" CreationDate="2016-05-04T18:57:38.997" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9249" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Yes, I could get a room. How do I do it? Let's see: I go to his profile, and add him to  chatroom (or something). Or I could take the easier option, and click on the &quot;create a chat room for discussion&quot; next to &quot;add comment&quot; option below your answer. But wait, there is no such option, and the first option is illogical and cumbersome, so let's not go there. Instead how about you use the &quot;mute&quot; option to prevent getting any notification from either of us? No wait,  no such option either. So how about this? Shall we fix the disease instead of complaining about the symptoms? :)" CreationDate="2016-05-22T17:42:54.350" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9250" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan you could support http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/259622/162102. Meanwhile, we're stuck with the system as it is. Next time, instead of responding to a polite request with complaints, how about asking for help if you need it?" CreationDate="2016-05-22T18:08:48.477" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9254" PostId="3650" Score="0" Text="When requests for help are ignored, there is no other option left but to complain." CreationDate="2016-05-23T01:40:13.170" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8923" PostId="3651" Score="2" Text="This is most likely a troll." CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:04:35.410" UserId="49840" />
  <row Id="8924" PostId="3651" Score="0" Text="@Sheldonator  I certainly hope so" CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:05:29.527" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8928" PostId="3651" Score="2" Text="If he is a troll, he is not &quot;very skilled&quot;" CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:15:58.433" UserId="37909" />
  <row Id="8930" PostId="3651" Score="4" Text="@DSKekaha this place has some pretty sharp people.  He's managed to get serious answers.  Skilled Troll" CreationDate="2016-05-03T14:35:23.733" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8940" PostId="3651" Score="0" Text="The question was utterly hilarious. Obviously a troll. I'm surprised as heck that anyone reading that would take it seriously for even one second. Sounds like something a really suicidal stand-up comedian would say." CreationDate="2016-05-03T16:51:33.523" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8943" PostId="3651" Score="3" Text="It would be really nice if people didn't feed obvious trolls like the now-deleted question linked in this answer.  Flag (offensive if you think appropriate), vote to close, downvote, but if it's an obvious troll, then both comments and answers give the troll what he came for: entertainment at others' expense.  Please don't help trolls get their jollies." CreationDate="2016-05-03T17:34:19.550" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8947" PostId="3651" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio He fooled me at first, as he did a bunch of us, which is why I brought up that one in here.  That's not helping them." CreationDate="2016-05-03T20:41:39.690" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8948" PostId="3651" Score="0" Text="@RichardU yes, a lot of people took the earlier post (that this question is about) at face value.  It was when I saw the one you linked that it became clear that we were being trolled.  I'm not criticizing people who responded to the former." CreationDate="2016-05-03T20:45:08.103" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8941" PostId="3652" Score="2" Text="Sometimes even those answers which are not entirely on-culture can be very useful to people who visit the question at a later time (although not necessarily to the OP). I remember a question about a woman being bullied in the workplace in India, or some other country like that. The answers were mostly along the lines of &quot;Go to HR! Get your manager involved!&quot;. These are useless to the OP, as in her culture those steps will get you laughed at, nothing more. However the answer of &quot;have your brother _talk_ to the guy in private&quot; - although appropriate in that culture - wouldn't help future users." CreationDate="2016-05-03T17:03:00.177" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8959" PostId="3652" Score="1" Text="@AndreiROM Why wouldn't it help future users, unless that woman will forever be the only person from that culture to use this site?" CreationDate="2016-05-04T06:38:43.057" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8975" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - what about those people of different culture? Should they ask a separate question? Then why not have an Indian Workplace SE, and a Canadian Workplace SE, and an American Workplace SE ... What's wrong with having answers on a question which help many different cultures?" CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:11:37.933" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8977" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="@AndreiROM the biggest thing I find as a problem is that people blatantly and unapologetically answer from the _wrong_ country perspective. If a person is asking about India, how is it helpful for them to get all sorts of &quot;In United States/Canada/Germany/UK, I would do X&quot; (which then get lots of upvotes). It means questions with less common cultural context consistently get mediocre and poor answers." CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:22:17.013" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="8979" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="@enderland - that's when a bounty should be offered. I think this problem stems from the fact that most of our users are from Europe/North-America. If we had more active users from India, etc. then those questions would get more relevant answers. The only real solution is educating the community, not creating localization based answer permissions, etc." CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:35:28.217" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8988" PostId="3652" Score="1" Text="@AndreiROM That is irrelevant. Your claim seems to be that an answer relevant to the OP's culture is &quot;not helpful to future users&quot; unless the question *also* gets answers relevant to many other cultures. If 10 &quot;future users&quot; from the OP's culture find the answer useful, you cannot call it useless because there are 1000 users from other cultures. By that logic, most of the answers here are useless since they cover specific scenarios that only a handful of users will encounter. (Example: &quot;My boss asked my coworker to stay at my house.&quot;)" CreationDate="2016-05-04T17:10:54.943" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8990" PostId="3652" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - and yet we don't really see users asking a question from the perspective of 1000 different cultures, do we? Most questions are actually answerable from a Western perspective. So I could easily argue that we are wasting our time answering questions which benefit users from a single culture, rather than focusing on questions which fit more than one. But that would be silly. So, in my opinion, is your implied suggestion that we somehow ban people from answering questions from a different culture's POV." CreationDate="2016-05-04T17:20:01.330" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8951" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="The woman bullied in India is an excellent example. Thanks. In my opinion the existing mechanisms are not good enough." CreationDate="2016-05-04T00:01:45.703" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="8952" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="@D_Bester - i was actually using the example _against_ your idea, but I guess it supports both sides" CreationDate="2016-05-04T00:05:08.433" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8953" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="I didn't see that question; sure there are questions where it works OK. But in general it's not enough. Having the cultural background explicitly shown would greatly improve this site. Of course people can also say &quot;I worked in India and this is what I saw/experienced&quot; that's also great." CreationDate="2016-05-04T00:14:49.673" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="8954" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="I also don't think tags are the best way. Tags localize the question when it's the answers that should be generally understood as localized. The question should be left more general if possible." CreationDate="2016-05-04T00:16:07.570" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="8955" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="Of course if the goal is to export US customs and values then we're doing a great job and nothing should be changed." CreationDate="2016-05-04T00:17:55.723" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="8956" PostId="3654" Score="1" Text="@D_Bester - but what about users from Western countries? For them that question would be utterly useless. At that point why not localize the whole site? Instead, leave the tag system in place, let the OP choose the answer which applies, and move on with our lives." CreationDate="2016-05-04T00:25:53.550" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8960" PostId="3654" Score="1" Text="&quot;which wouldn't help too many users in the future&quot; Well, why not? While we are at it, we should also encourage every &quot;Western&quot; question here to be answered from the perspectives of various other cultures/countries. But wait, we already have Quora for that. :P" CreationDate="2016-05-04T06:43:04.207" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8976" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - again, if you're going to be so rigorous about only people from certain cultures answering certain questions then push for localized Workplace SE sites. Otherwise let our users answer as they will, and let the OP choose that which most applies to them. I don't see any issue with the current system whatsoever. The OP is always free to choose which answer is relevant to him/her." CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:15:24.017" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8989" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="@AndreiROM I am not rigorous about who should answer what, my only objection is to the claim that an answer local to the OP's culture is useless because it is inappropriate in other cultures." CreationDate="2016-05-04T17:13:39.187" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8991" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - where do I claim an answer to be useless? It is useful to the OP, and I encourage the OP to choose that reply as **the** answer. However, it will not necessarily be useful to a woman being bullied in France, now is it? However another post on that question answering from a European POV will be. So why is it so terrible to have both POVs on the same question?" CreationDate="2016-05-04T17:21:35.213" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="8993" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="Well pardon my poor English, but &quot;wouldn't help too many users&quot; sounded very close to &quot;useless&quot;, but yeah, you are technically right, you never said it was useless." CreationDate="2016-05-04T17:50:12.697" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="8994" PostId="3654" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - I want the OP to get useful answers, but I also don't want to limit the scope of the question to the point where we are rejecting answers which don't strictly match the localization. After all, each answer may give the OP some piece of advice which is useful." CreationDate="2016-05-04T17:53:59.717" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="9321" PostId="3655" Score="1" Text="I would like to point out that your location is being showed in your user profile, still the qeustion of that is actually your country, but still there." CreationDate="2016-05-27T09:15:30.077" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="9323" PostId="3655" Score="0" Text="@RaoulMensink I just put it in a couple of days ago, but Polynesia is not a country, it's an area of over 2 million square kilometers comprising probably dozens of countries, languages etc,. If someone tried hard enough they could work out who I am, but why bother? In fact that's just where I am, I grew up in Micronesia which is made up of hundreds of little scattered islands and hundreds of languages." CreationDate="2016-05-27T10:27:23.050" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9325" PostId="3655" Score="0" Text="Ment to say &quot;Still the question of what your actuall Country is&quot;. Also Europa has a flag, Polynesia can get one :P" CreationDate="2016-05-27T10:56:27.413" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="9326" PostId="3655" Score="0" Text="Can't get two Polynesians to agree on lunch, never get them to agree on a flag :)" CreationDate="2016-05-27T10:59:57.613" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9065" PostId="3657" Score="2" Text="So should we ban people who answer a question with out reading and fulling understanding the context?" CreationDate="2016-05-09T14:46:12.253" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9080" PostId="3657" Score="1" Text="How'd did you get that out of my answer? I'm not even suggesting we should ban you for typing drivel for no reason... hehe... you can type whatever you want, but you shouldn't do so if you haven't actually read the question. Or in this case, the answer." CreationDate="2016-05-09T22:56:32.017" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9053" PostId="3658" Score="0" Text="I think that any ethical answers to an unethical question will only serve to promote the ethics of our community.  Anyone who sees the question will hopefully see a consensus clearly stated about what is unethical about the question, and how a professional can strive to avoid the situation." CreationDate="2016-05-08T12:21:39.453" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="8968" PostId="3659" Score="0" Text="Good, practical answer." CreationDate="2016-05-04T11:47:54.827" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8972" PostId="3659" Score="0" Text="The two questions I think the OP is referring to were shut down quickly.  The site's community policing works.  I agree with you." CreationDate="2016-05-04T12:54:03.193" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8985" PostId="3659" Score="2" Text="Remember that __everyone with 3,000 reputation can vote to close__. It doesn't take a moderator to do this.  People with more than 20,000 reputation can vote to delete a lot of content (you've got 24k or so rep yourself). It's very helpful for us moderators for community folks to actively police/close questions like this. We are merely mortal and cannot see the site 24/7.. :)" CreationDate="2016-05-04T14:18:18.470" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10867" PostId="3659" Score="0" Text="@enderland and I've seen offensive and/or unethical questions closed in under five minutes.  We are very effective in policing ourselves" CreationDate="2016-12-12T17:01:32.117" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="8966" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="I've resubmitted the edit - feel free to review: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/42297" CreationDate="2016-05-04T09:55:38.040" UserId="43309" />
  <row Id="8967" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="The latter edit has since been approved." CreationDate="2016-05-04T10:34:45.070" UserId="43309" />
  <row Id="8973" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="I also don't know what it means that Community, rather than a user or group of users, reviewed an edit.  I think I've had that question before (somewhere on the network) but I don't remember the answer. :-(" CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:01:01.087" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8980" PostId="3660" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio it means that a (human) reviewer has picked an option &quot;Reject and Edit&quot;, see [Why does the Community ♦ user approve and reject edits?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/184992/165773) FWIW as a moderator you can suspend users from reviewing edits for a while if you feel like their approach needs correction" CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:40:43.603" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8982" PostId="3660" Score="0" Text="@gnat OK, so it was because the other guy picked 'Reject and Edit'? Makes sense - the community user marks it as rejected, and at the same time the other user can edit the post. Thanks for the info." CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:44:06.297" UserId="43309" />
  <row Id="8986" PostId="3660" Score="3" Text="@gnat thanks.  So there were really only two reviewers, but Community did the bidding of one of them, generating a separate entry.  Yeah, that's confusing -- the &quot;(user) Reject and Edit&quot; entry should be enough." CreationDate="2016-05-04T14:26:07.090" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="8969" PostId="3661" Score="0" Text="How are Hot Topics selected? The algorithm may want to be adjusted, if trolling it is possible. Require an insignificant percentage of down votes, perhaps..." CreationDate="2016-05-04T12:06:55.340" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="8971" PostId="3661" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere That's exactly what I am asking about, yes, since there is no defined policy about that." CreationDate="2016-05-04T12:21:14.720" UserId="49840" />
  <row Id="8981" PostId="3661" Score="0" Text="I still find this answer VERY vague and unclear. It might be me, but what I'm sensing here is a slight form of elitism? Arrnt the tools to moderate a question simply meant to remove questions that dont go by the workplace rules? If 60% of the people LOVE a question and upvote it, and 10% loath it and downvote it AND flag. it'll get taken down. Is this what you mean by &quot;the community will do what it chooses&quot;? If so, it will always be the minority who decides what's correct and what's not. This answer doesn't sound logical to me. Nor does it remotely explain what questions could be acceptable." CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:43:54.680" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="8983" PostId="3661" Score="4" Text="@keshlam hot questions selection heavily favors trolling - the more answers feed the troll, the higher is [&quot;hotness score&quot;](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/61343/165773), and it tends to stick due to snowball effect when careless random visitors from sidebar (_not_ site regulars) upvote &quot;entertaining&quot; questions and answers. This is by design, hot questions have nothing to do with promoting quality content, see eg [What is the Goal of “Hot Network Questions”?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/219922/165773)" CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:50:40.460" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8984" PostId="3661" Score="1" Text="@Migz see above ^^^ - in hot questions, 90-99% people who &quot;love&quot; (_entertain_) the question are random passers by attracted from sidebar, not site regulars. It's indeed opposite to elitism because feedback from site community, from folks who provide and care about content is totally overwhelmed by entertained audience from outside. You can find more concrete examples of how attention of hot list audience promotes inappropriate questions and makes it harder to moderate content in [Recent Trouble With Popularity](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/q/7525/31260) at P.SE meta" CreationDate="2016-05-04T13:55:46.667" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="8987" PostId="3661" Score="1" Text="@Migz - I don't think it has anything to do with elitism, but that's only my opinion. I don't make the rules here. We can talk all we want about what questions could be acceptable. But practically speaking, the community makes that decision. The site is lightly moderated by design, and the moderators do what they can. But the votes and flags are community driven, according to the community's whims at the time. This Meta forum and Chat exist to plead the case for any individual question. But in large part, if the community likes a question (even if you &amp; I don't), the question remains in place." CreationDate="2016-05-04T16:56:34.350" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="8998" PostId="3661" Score="0" Text="And there are always the comments and moderators. I have seen questions here, which initially brought up a lot of sentiments, that through comments and moderation turned into great resources." CreationDate="2016-05-04T19:43:47.030" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="9000" PostId="3661" Score="0" Text="+1. I second your last paragraph: the community here typically does a good job and potentially volatile questions like this are typically handled way better than I've come to expect from online communities. Giving such questions the benefit of the doubt can sometimes keep a troll post on the site longer but has often resulted in good additions to the site, as @JanDoggen points out." CreationDate="2016-05-04T20:18:12.710" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9004" PostId="3663" Score="0" Text="in cases like that when I am not sure about my rephrasing of the question in the title, I simply copy the title as is" CreationDate="2016-05-05T12:34:06.727" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9009" PostId="3663" Score="1" Text="@gnat That's the foolproof solution. :)" CreationDate="2016-05-05T14:13:47.530" UserId="43309" />
  <row Id="9005" PostId="3664" Score="2" Text="That's not a workplace problem, that's a family and relationship problem." CreationDate="2016-05-05T12:51:06.470" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9011" PostId="3664" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere no the repercussions might be too much as I explained" CreationDate="2016-05-05T17:43:54.367" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9012" PostId="3664" Score="0" Text="@DavidK nope the underlying issue is, but getting fired is workplace. Underlying issues for quitting are often personal issues anyway. In any case this is a possible explanation of a 'reason' for a question like that, rather than assume trolling." CreationDate="2016-05-05T17:46:49.133" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9002" PostId="3665" Score="2" Text="Thanks. Asking the OP is good, but it may not always work. One person had a long wall of text. I reviewed his post to split the wall and he rejected the edit, and then asks why someone downvoted his post(I didn't)." CreationDate="2016-05-05T11:26:29.920" UserId="43309" />
  <row Id="9003" PostId="3665" Score="2" Text="@cst1992 Sometimes the OP just doesn't get it :)  Keep doing what you're doing, for every poster that doesn't understand why it's being edited, you'll be helped dozens more.  Remember, when you get to 3k, your edits are automatically applied." CreationDate="2016-05-05T11:40:53.037" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="9015" PostId="3666" Score="0" Text="This is close to being a duplicate of the flags question. If folks had agreed with the concept but not the implementation, this would b be useful exploration of alternative implementations. Since consensus rejected the core premise, I don't think reviving it with cosmetic differences are anything or changes any of the answers. When folks feel it's relevant, they already started the context of their answer. Normal SE interactions, including comments and voting, are sufficient to do what's needed when they are off target in a way that makes the answer not useful." CreationDate="2016-05-06T03:58:50.933" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9018" PostId="3666" Score="1" Text="**What problem are you trying to fix?** I don't get your fascination with labels and you seem to assume that we're all horribly biased people who should check our cultural privilege. What is the &quot;*cultural slant of the site*&quot;? Wouldn't defining a question by a single cultures be directly opposed to your goal of attracting answers from a different cultural perspective?" CreationDate="2016-05-06T09:30:39.040" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9020" PostId="3666" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal What I'm really looking for is a clear indication of the cultural slant of each answer. This helps me evaluate the relevance of the answer. It would really improve the value of the site." CreationDate="2016-05-06T09:40:46.007" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="9021" PostId="3666" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Nobody's &quot;horribly biased&quot; that I've noticed, but we all have a perspective. In real life, knowing a person's perspective helps me evaluate their advice. I'm less likely to dismiss it quickly if they understand me." CreationDate="2016-05-06T09:44:28.957" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="9022" PostId="3666" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal About the &quot;cultural slant&quot;: many have mentioned that this site is primarily (but not exclusively) western in perspective. This isn't about &quot;cultural privilege&quot; whatever that means. We would attract a more diverse global participation if we do something to help readers evaluate the cultural relevance of the answers." CreationDate="2016-05-06T09:50:47.207" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="9023" PostId="3666" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal It's been a while (2013) but jmac has said the assumed context is &quot;American office&quot; http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1710/assumed-cultural-context-and-the-workplace" CreationDate="2016-05-06T09:53:39.300" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="9024" PostId="3666" Score="1" Text="@D_Bester That has indeed been a while. It's true that many users default to a Western perspective because in my experience questions written in native speaker-level English are almost always posted by an American user. Europeans typically specify their country and less well-written questions often indicate a non-Western author. That said, the site reaction has changed since that question to incorporate the practice of leaving comments asking for clarification of the location if it's unclear, [as suggested by Rhys](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1712/25739) on that question." CreationDate="2016-05-06T10:00:22.983" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9025" PostId="3666" Score="1" Text="In short, I don't think there is an issue that requires solving and your suggested approach causes more problems than it could potentially fix. Keep in mind that it's also never going to happen from a technical point of view." CreationDate="2016-05-06T10:01:47.070" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9006" PostId="3667" Score="1" Text="I don't think the programming example is relevant because programming answers tend have correct answers. Correctness can be judged by asking &quot;Does it work&quot;. WorkPlace answers are fundamentally different; the correctness is a subjective judgement, not an objective one." CreationDate="2016-05-05T13:22:33.553" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="9007" PostId="3667" Score="1" Text="Also I note that you advocate downvoting answers from the wrong culture. Others strongly disagree with you; notably @AndreiROM" CreationDate="2016-05-05T13:25:21.303" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="9008" PostId="3667" Score="2" Text="@D_Bester I disagree that because answers here are often subjective there is no way to judge which are more appropriate. There are answers that are considerably _more_ correct, and those normally tend to be the ones written which address the full set of circumstances for the OP. The fact that it is perhaps harder does not mean that &quot;any answers are valid&quot; to any question." CreationDate="2016-05-05T13:30:58.453" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9010" PostId="3667" Score="2" Text="@D_Bester Just because there isn't one correct answer to a question doesn't mean that there aren't answers that are definitely wrong. And sometimes those answers that are definitely wrong in one culture could be very good answers for other cultures. This could result in the highest answer being voted because &quot;This is great, and definitely what you should do in America!&quot;, but not at all applicable to the OP who is asking about India. This would be very confusing, and possibly harmful if it isn't made clear to the OP that the answer doesn't apply to them." CreationDate="2016-05-05T15:37:26.527" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9016" PostId="3667" Score="0" Text="In fact, sometimes an illustration is useful even if described in another language, or pseudo code. Sometimes &quot;our culture doies it thius way&quot; is useful as a source of ideas on  possible alternatives.  If it isn't useful, comment on why not oir downvote it... but I don't think this proposal helps predict what will or won't be useful." CreationDate="2016-05-06T04:00:16.397" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9014" PostId="3668" Score="0" Text="I do think the system is broke. I don't think it would be complex or confusing. And I don't think we need to go where your extrapolations take you." CreationDate="2016-05-06T00:59:14.123" UserId="18554" />
  <row Id="9017" PostId="3669" Score="0" Text="I do agree with the revert part. I might go with gnat's suggestion to just copy the title into the question. That'll have a lower chance of getting reverted. But then I fear the edit will get rejected on the grounds 'this does not make the post easier to read; edits are superfluous'." CreationDate="2016-05-06T09:22:36.877" UserId="43309" />
  <row Id="9019" PostId="3669" Score="1" Text="@cst1992 To clarify: reverting is only a problem for **major edits** that *change the nature of the question*! The kind of edits you're talking about are almost always fine. There's no need to stick to the OP's wording as long as you respect the original intent. I've rewritten entire posts where I only preserved 10% of the original text without actually changing the question. To be clear, that's a major edit, not a minor one and you'd best leave a comment if you make one, but it's still an edit that should be approved." CreationDate="2016-05-06T09:35:47.750" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9035" PostId="3670" Score="1" Text="Bingo. If you really want to debate this, take it to the top-level Stack Exchange Meta and discuss it with the system's designers and implementors. Though as Lillienthal points  out, this has essentially been considered and rejected previously, so be sure to read that material and find some new justifications or you're likely to just get tagged as duplicate of a resolved issue. Good luck." CreationDate="2016-05-07T01:09:10.107" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9027" PostId="3671" Score="0" Text="Would it be uncouth to attract the attention of individuals who have flagged my question by mentioning them in the comments here?" CreationDate="2016-05-06T22:24:15.990" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9028" PostId="3671" Score="5" Text="It wouldn't be uncouth, but it also wouldn't ping people.  Thank you for bringing your question to meta; that's the best way to get community feedback.  (Or sometimes chat, but meta is more structured and people can vote.)" CreationDate="2016-05-06T22:47:34.417" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9029" PostId="3671" Score="0" Text="I kind of agree they are different but I just don't think it is a good question." CreationDate="2016-05-06T23:24:46.777" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="9030" PostId="3671" Score="1" Text="@Paparazzi Why not?  Have you never had a day where you were especially flatulent?  Do you not feel that it can ever be a concern in the workplace?  Or is the issue not with the topic, but rather with the way in which I approached the question?  I am genuinely interested in hearing your feedback." CreationDate="2016-05-06T23:28:22.117" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9031" PostId="3671" Score="0" Text="@Lumberjack This is site where people get to have opinions and I think I expressed mine in a polite way.   *Can* be a concern in the workplace does not make it a good question." CreationDate="2016-05-06T23:46:13.133" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="9032" PostId="3671" Score="1" Text="@Paparazzi  Interesting that you feel the need to express your right to an opinion in response to my request for your opinion.  As for whether or not your comment is polite: I would dispute the politeness of any criticism that does not include some constructive element or detail beyond a declaration of your dislike.  I'm still trying to understand what if any issues you have with my question." CreationDate="2016-05-07T00:22:42.363" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9033" PostId="3671" Score="1" Text="@Paparazzi That said, I am perfectly fine with you being **impolite.**  I am more interested in your opinion than I am in your decorum.  It seems to me that the latter is impeding the former at the moment." CreationDate="2016-05-07T00:24:42.483" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9034" PostId="3671" Score="0" Text="Now it is **need** and **dispute the politeness**.   To me you are tolling and I don't wish to interact with you.  I get you will disagree and I don't care." CreationDate="2016-05-07T00:58:19.763" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="9036" PostId="3671" Score="1" Text="@Paparazzi I can see where my questions might be misconstrued as [trolling.](http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&amp;aid=10293503&amp;fulltextType=RA&amp;fileId=S2053447716000099)  I have no doubt that my arguments will do nothing to change your opinion, so instead I'll invite you to read the philosophical article I linked [Aristotle, On Trolling,](http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&amp;aid=10293503&amp;fulltextType=RA&amp;fileId=S2053447716000099) and bid you adieu." CreationDate="2016-05-07T02:05:09.043" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9042" PostId="3671" Score="4" Text="I totally *love* this site for this! &quot;This is not a good question.&quot; - Why not? &quot;You are trolling, I don't need to explain.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-05-07T14:17:23.063" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9044" PostId="3671" Score="0" Text="I think you are correct that yours is the only flatulence question here from the point of view of the originator. Did you get a sufficient answer to your question anyway?" CreationDate="2016-05-07T16:44:55.310" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9045" PostId="3671" Score="0" Text="@joestrazzere it was closed so quickly, I don't feel like the question has been fairly considered.  A number of people have made helpful suggestions but the question was closed, so their only option was to answer in the comments.  A lot of the people commenting seemed to hold the opinion that it is not unprofessional to pass gas in the office, and others felt so strongly that the restroom is the only place for flatulence that they sought to silence the discussion.  In short, no.  I do not, though I do thank you asking." CreationDate="2016-05-07T17:29:28.410" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9048" PostId="3671" Score="2" Text="If the community voted to close it, that means that enough people considered it to meet the site threshold for closing. If prople disagree with that decision, they can vote to reopen and if that threshold is met it will be reopened; if they don't do so, that means there is a consensus that the decision was correct. Standard Stack Exchange process. In many cases, a question can be edited to improve it and encourage reopening." CreationDate="2016-05-07T17:44:14.153" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9051" PostId="3671" Score="0" Text="Is Gas-x available in your part of the world? If flatulence is this big of a problem for you, it might be wise to keep some in your desk." CreationDate="2016-05-07T23:18:39.740" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11033" PostId="3671" Score="0" Text="Is meta really the place to discus questions @MonicaCellio" CreationDate="2017-01-01T15:15:55.160" UserId="59933" />
  <row Id="11034" PostId="3671" Score="1" Text="@IshanMahajan we shouldn't be trying to *answer the original question* on meta, but meta is the place to discuss community decisions, including closures, reopening, how to improve a question so it can fit better, etc.  We even have a tag, [meta-tag:specific-question], for this purpose." CreationDate="2017-01-01T15:45:19.320" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9050" PostId="3672" Score="1" Text="Relevant: http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/199302/131956" CreationDate="2016-05-07T22:02:27.033" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="9052" PostId="3672" Score="2" Text="You're making an implicit assertion that rules are applied selectively.  If you think they are please bring *that* up rather than a question that boils down to &quot;is it ok to cheat?&quot;." CreationDate="2016-05-08T04:01:06.373" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9054" PostId="3672" Score="0" Text="@monicacellio Your comment assumes that selective application of the rules is cheating.  My question doesn't discuss particular examples of where this behavior is evident, because the purpose was not to debate the rightness of any one application of the practice, but rather the justice of the practice in general." CreationDate="2016-05-08T17:27:11.370" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9057" PostId="3672" Score="0" Text="@monicacellio We shouldn't ban users with red hair.  A meta post on this topic would be pointless because no one is banning red headed users.  If I want to discuss the practice of banning redheaded users, first I must prove that it is happening.  That is the crux of your post, yes?" CreationDate="2016-05-08T17:40:19.470" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9058" PostId="3672" Score="4" Text="*Either* you are asserting that this is happening, which claim you have not supported at all, *or* you want to have a conversation about something that is not happening.  Which is it?  I see no point in responding further until you clear that up; I disagree that it is happening and I'm not interested in a hypothetical conversation." CreationDate="2016-05-08T17:58:01.953" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9059" PostId="3672" Score="0" Text="I believe it is happening, but I recognize that proving it will be an involved and difficult process.  I believe this to be true for the following reasons. Comments that are deleted leave no trace.  There is no historical record I can point to as a source to support my claim.  I can point you to my own question which has had some but not all of the answer-like comments have been removed, only some.  I don't know who deleted the comments, or why, so it would be speculation for me to say why, however ..." CreationDate="2016-05-08T18:07:40.883" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9060" PostId="3672" Score="0" Text="however I do believe we can agree that each moderator uses his/her discretion when deciding which comments to delete and which to leave.  One might define discretion as the application of an individual opinion or bias." CreationDate="2016-05-08T18:08:27.807" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9061" PostId="3672" Score="1" Text="In the end you are complaining about something which is a design feature of SE: comments are not guaranteed to persist, moderation unavoidably requires judgement calls, we have multiple moderators to crosscheck each other, we have an appeals process, but a decision can still go against you and that's just the nature of the beast. We can't change that here, the central SE meta _won't_ change it, it is what it is. Next time there is a need for a new moderator you can vote for someone whom you think will better match your style, but you may lose that too. No Trouble Found; Working As Designed." CreationDate="2016-05-08T18:40:30.360" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9062" PostId="3672" Score="1" Text="@Lumberjack I am confused here as to what you are trying to discuss. On the one hand you seem to be talking about moderator misuse of power (or something like that) with respect to your question, but on my answer here which addresses that you told me you want to talk about the generalized case. But it leaves me confused as to what the _real_ topic here actually is - are you just saying moderators shouldn't delete any comments as answers? Do you want moderators to read every question in detail and actively remove any answer-as-comment? I'm not really sure what you are proposing (or lamenting)." CreationDate="2016-05-08T20:11:31.483" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9063" PostId="3672" Score="4" Text="I think this would be much clearer if you [edit]ed it to be either &quot;moderators are selectively removing comments they disagree with, is this ok&quot; or &quot;why are answer-comments sometimes deleted?&quot;  or &quot;why were only some comments on my question deleted?&quot; Right now it's a mix of all those but not really clarified or clear which you are actually asking." CreationDate="2016-05-08T20:16:30.417" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9064" PostId="3672" Score="2" Text="I'm very close to using that very rare meta vote to close (as &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot;) due to the mixed up nature of the question and underlying assumption of bad faith." CreationDate="2016-05-09T08:16:53.897" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="9070" PostId="3672" Score="0" Text="@lumberjack has effectively withdrawn question; see his own answer. I think VTC is, in fact, in order at this point." CreationDate="2016-05-09T16:21:13.283" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9037" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="As an asker who has been forced to defend first the originality and then the veracity of my question, it is frustrating to see the rules applied selectively in support of one viewpoint over another." CreationDate="2016-05-07T13:10:34.017" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9046" PostId="3673" Score="1" Text="Should we? No. Do we? Not that I have seen. This answer is trivially correct, but the question it replies to is not helpful." CreationDate="2016-05-07T17:38:13.203" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9066" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="I completely agree and think that anyone who posts an answer comment should be banned permanently from the site." CreationDate="2016-05-09T14:49:27.990" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9068" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="As revised -- acknowledging non-issue -- upvoted answer but voted to close question." CreationDate="2016-05-09T15:27:39.100" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9069" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="@keshlam Me too.  I would delete the question, but the system won't permit it." CreationDate="2016-05-09T15:30:13.593" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9071" PostId="3673" Score="0" Text="Generally, Stack Exchange doesn't like hypothetical questions in Meta much more than it likes them elsewhere. If you see evidence of a real problem, raise it -- asking, rather than assertng, will be received better in many cases. But there are an infinite number of things that ___might___ happen and until they are an immediate or impending problem is usually better to just let the moderators do their job without trying to micromanage them." CreationDate="2016-05-09T20:33:04.467" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9040" PostId="3674" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry you feel that way.  I made an effort to intentionally exclude any discussion of my question, as I felt including it would detract from the discussion of selective application of the rules." CreationDate="2016-05-07T14:07:22.823" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9047" PostId="3674" Score="2" Text="In doing so, you created a non-question." CreationDate="2016-05-07T17:39:36.020" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9056" PostId="3674" Score="0" Text="This is not a non question, it is a meta discussion about a general topic. I am of the opinion that not every meta question needs to directly correlate to a particular question.  I feel that there is some intrinsic value in considering the way in which we conduct ourselves here." CreationDate="2016-05-08T17:35:00.817" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9067" PostId="3674" Score="0" Text="It's a question about a hypothetical, with a trivial answer." CreationDate="2016-05-09T15:25:02.897" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9039" PostId="3675" Score="3" Text="I made another edit to hopefully focus the question more. The way it was worded initially was pretty much a duplicate, but I think at this point it's a slightly different enough situation that they are separate questions." CreationDate="2016-05-07T13:36:29.220" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9043" PostId="3675" Score="3" Text="Good answer - here at The Workplace, like other stackexchange sites, it is what it is." CreationDate="2016-05-07T16:41:15.057" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9222" PostId="3675" Score="1" Text="Gamification works **against** closing since people want rep and badges, which they get for their answers, and you can't answer a closed question. People close because they genuinely believe the question should be closed. You can disagree with them without mocking and belittling them." CreationDate="2016-05-14T19:14:05.573" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="9228" PostId="3675" Score="0" Text="@KateGregory, in the case of &quot;closing-for-duplicates,&quot; I've seen far too many instances which are outrageous by any reasonable interpretation. Sometimes I even wondered if there was a bot making the dupe judgements. In such cases, those who &quot;truly believe&quot; a question is dupe should explain themselves, a checkbox is not enough. I don't mean to belittle anyone." CreationDate="2016-05-15T11:50:26.363" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="9038" PostId="3676" Score="3" Text="In my experience, normally &quot;comments as answers&quot; that get deleted are either 1) specifically flagged (often as &quot;too chatty&quot;) or 2) part of a long chain of discussion comments that gets deleted/moved to chat." CreationDate="2016-05-07T13:32:28.807" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9041" PostId="3676" Score="0" Text="I ask that you please take as a given that comments are subject to deletion, and that they have been strictly forbidden in the help pages.  Would it be fair to read your answer as endorsement of selective application of the rules, based on the trust you have in the moderators?" CreationDate="2016-05-07T14:15:01.800" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9049" PostId="3676" Score="3" Text="@Lumberjack If you mean that I support moderators deleting comments at their discretion and, as enderland points out, based on flags from the community, then yes. Is that what you're asking? Your mention of &quot;*should we apply the rules*&quot; is why I questioned your premise as only the mod team is included in that &quot;we&quot;." CreationDate="2016-05-07T21:23:37.463" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9073" PostId="3678" Score="10" Text="The remaining comment was from the moderator reminding people of the &quot;Be nice&quot; policy.  Given the direction the comments had taken, it was completely in line." CreationDate="2016-05-09T22:37:27.847" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="9076" PostId="3678" Score="0" Text="@Myles that comment is not from a moderator. And again, the issue is the silent moderation." CreationDate="2016-05-09T22:47:08.947" UserId="12681" />
  <row Id="9077" PostId="3678" Score="3" Text="this is one of the worst policies of SO. i understand it's a policy, but i think it sucks." CreationDate="2016-05-09T22:47:49.103" UserId="35861" />
  <row Id="9079" PostId="3678" Score="4" Text="@sgroves Silent moderation is not a policy. It's wrong, and it's lazy." CreationDate="2016-05-09T22:53:02.090" UserId="12681" />
  <row Id="9081" PostId="3678" Score="2" Text="@SnakeDoc that's good to hear. i always assumed it was a policy because i see it happen *very frequently* on every single SE site." CreationDate="2016-05-09T22:58:00.060" UserId="35861" />
  <row Id="9082" PostId="3678" Score="14" Text="Possible duplicate of [Reason for deleting comments?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2987/reason-for-deleting-comments). Good comments are often collateral damage when there are a lot of off-topic or rude comments. This is okay. Comments are ephemeral. Important details should be in answers or questions (and may be edited in). If you want &quot;discussion,&quot; you're looking for chat anyway, not comments." CreationDate="2016-05-09T22:58:49.863" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="9083" PostId="3678" Score="3" Text="@sgroves from my understanding, it's supposed to have a moderator comment say something like: &quot;Comments are not for discussion. This discussion has been moved to &lt;Chat Room&gt;.&quot; Perhaps that's the issue, because on Workplace, comments *are* for discussion... at least until a grumpy moderator takes personal issue and deletes the entire thread." CreationDate="2016-05-09T22:59:08.427" UserId="12681" />
  <row Id="9084" PostId="3678" Score="1" Text="@SnakeDoc i've seen that as well and assumed it was only for comment chains that are relevant but too long. if a mod determines a comment is &quot;off-topic&quot;, they can delete it, according to my understanding. i *hope* i'm wrong about that last part, though." CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:00:01.093" UserId="35861" />
  <row Id="9092" PostId="3678" Score="6" Text="@SnakeDoc: don't confuse common practice with policy. Not all discussions are moved to the chat room (not by a long shot, anywhere on SE), and the explanation is a courtesy, nothing more. Would it be appropriate? Sure. Can/should we require it? Not on a system where the admins are very kindly volunteering their time, for very little thanks. Can we encourage it? Certainly, but an attack is not the way to do so." CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:25:37.140" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9094" PostId="3678" Score="9" Text="Twitter is irrelevant, for whatever that is or isn't worth." CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:30:14.777" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9099" PostId="3678" Score="14" Text="@SnakeDoc - as far as I can tell, there is no &quot;rule&quot; requiring moderators to leave a comment about their moderation. And if I remember correctly, most of those comments were way, way off-topic from the real issue in the question at hand." CreationDate="2016-05-10T00:06:41.097" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9122" PostId="3678" Score="2" Text="Comment from someone who got here from Hot Questions:  The _top voted answer_ is based entirely on one of those deleted comments.  They were absolutely necessary and not rolled into the question upon deletion." CreationDate="2016-05-10T14:46:10.333" UserId="1514" />
  <row Id="9166" PostId="3678" Score="7" Text="If the comment has been incorporated into am Answer, it should no longer be necessary. (Remember, when so incorporating, that comments are transient by design; quote anything necessary, for the same reasons link-only references are bad.)" CreationDate="2016-05-11T17:30:51.447" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9074" PostId="3679" Score="3" Text="You missed the point. You may have a personal opinion the comments &quot;deserved&quot; to be deleted, but that's irregardless to how the moderator went about doing so. Silent moderation is not OK." CreationDate="2016-05-09T22:38:32.417" UserId="12681" />
  <row Id="9078" PostId="3679" Score="3" Text="@snakedoc completely agreed. the mod was *totally* out of line here. would downvote if i could." CreationDate="2016-05-09T22:48:31.337" UserId="35861" />
  <row Id="9098" PostId="3679" Score="5" Text="They weren't moved to a chat room either, which may be part of what is confusing the OP. Off topic discussions that are worth keeping may be moved to chat. Noise that isn't worth helping goes to the bit-bucket. Hence no &quot;moved to chat*&quot; link, hence no reason to post one." CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:49:36.657" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9100" PostId="3679" Score="19" Text="@SnakeDoc - &quot;Silent moderation is not OK&quot;. Again, that's your opinion (and you are entitled to one). But that's not a rule. You are free to post something on Meta arguing that it *should* be a rule." CreationDate="2016-05-10T00:08:52.467" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9128" PostId="3679" Score="0" Text="Even if most of them were name-calling, some of them weren't, and now they're gone." CreationDate="2016-05-10T16:30:09.103" UserId="11039" />
  <row Id="9147" PostId="3679" Score="4" Text="@OrangeDog: Standard and well documented Stack Exchange practice. If it's important, the SE answer is &quot;don't put it in a comment&quot;, and has been for years. That's the local rules of the game; it ain't perfect but no set of moderating practices ever is." CreationDate="2016-05-11T03:32:31.137" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9151" PostId="3679" Score="1" Text="I'm pretty sure I commented asking for clarification from the asker about one aspect of their question, which I understand to be one of the correct uses for comments. Of course I'm not 100% sure because in this case, all the comments were deleted and none were moved to chat, which is the first time I've ever seen something so drastic on any stack." CreationDate="2016-05-11T05:41:21.060" UserId="35944" />
  <row Id="9085" PostId="3680" Score="4" Text="that's what OP did. i am not sure how this answer contributes anything at all. it certainly doesn't answer the question. would downvote if i could." CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:04:24.707" UserId="35861" />
  <row Id="9086" PostId="3680" Score="0" Text="are you going to delete it?" CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:04:55.847" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9087" PostId="3680" Score="1" Text="@killsi i can't delete answers. also, i'm not sure how that's relevant? you're the mod here, how about you act like one instead of taunting users?" CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:06:24.940" UserId="35861" />
  <row Id="9089" PostId="3680" Score="2" Text="I'm not a moderator, I'm just the same as you chaps" CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:10:24.803" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9091" PostId="3680" Score="1" Text="@sgroves These are the mods, apparently 2 of them only have 100 rep each, no idea how that works http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators" CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:15:41.037" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9095" PostId="3680" Score="6" Text="@Kilisi They are Stack Exchange employees." CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:35:19.393" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="9096" PostId="3680" Score="0" Text="ahhh... oh well, I'd never really looked at who was moderators until now" CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:37:28.530" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9101" PostId="3680" Score="5" Text="I'd rephrase the first sentence as &quot;at times a moderator might make a mistake and edit based on personal bias --they're only human, after all.&quot; I don't think there is any evidence of people editing to suit personal biases _except_ by mistake. You don't have to agree; just a reaction/suggestion." CreationDate="2016-05-10T00:35:11.127" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9106" PostId="3680" Score="0" Text="Your opinion may be unpopular, but that doesn't make you wrong.  To be clear, I am not saying I have any evidence to support your claim, but @keshlam is probably right. When it does happen it is likely not done intentionally, but rather subconsciously." CreationDate="2016-05-10T03:01:33.817" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9108" PostId="3680" Score="3" Text="We're all bigots dependent on who is viewing our ideology, that's just a fact of life. But I agree, probably no malicious motive behind any of it." CreationDate="2016-05-10T04:47:48.993" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9111" PostId="3680" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi bug in the system for those two, I think. I will hopefully still have an account after asking [this question on the main site meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/279186/193412) :-)" CreationDate="2016-05-10T12:42:34.977" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9114" PostId="3680" Score="5" Text="`moderators personal opinion overrides anything else` just a clarification, everything that moderators do is by definition requiring judgment - if the things we have to do _could_ be automated, they would be. Nearly all moderation results in some application of personal judgement - there is not a &quot;formula&quot; for &quot;what to do as a moderator.&quot; Oftentimes this is way harder than it might seem and we often consult each other or moderators on other sites as it's non-trivial to know necessarily the best course of action. (cont)" CreationDate="2016-05-10T13:17:28.973" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9115" PostId="3680" Score="1" Text="(cont) This is particularly true when there is no clear best course of action - for example, I still wonder about [this whole debacle](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/66352/how-can-i-engineer-my-own-firing) and whether my aggressive cleanup was best (including deleting your answer) though everything there is now deleted, so it's kind of a moot point now." CreationDate="2016-05-10T13:18:07.820" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9116" PostId="3680" Score="0" Text="@enderland I think you did the right thing deleting at the end of the day, my answer while technically correct was absolute rubbish... as was the question... good judgement call :-) I'm not the sort to have sour grapes even if it wasn't." CreationDate="2016-05-10T13:27:48.873" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9093" PostId="3681" Score="16" Text="Good answer to a bad question" CreationDate="2016-05-09T23:27:09.633" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9190" PostId="3681" Score="8" Text="&quot;A moderator doesn't need to explain anything&quot; I think this is so wrong." CreationDate="2016-05-12T11:18:48.697" UserId="44500" />
  <row Id="9346" PostId="3681" Score="2" Text="@akostadinov You have a point. My statement was probably too broad, as sometimes it's appropriate for a mod to explain their actions in borderline or unclear situations. This isn't one of those situations at all, but I've revised my answer slightly to be less absolute about that point." CreationDate="2016-06-01T04:42:36.170" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="9351" PostId="3681" Score="2" Text="I've moderated boards on other sites.  IMO, there is no quicker way to get the users upset than to moderate without explanation.  While I agree that explaining every last move is annoying, it is often better to err on the side of explaining." CreationDate="2016-06-02T16:35:53.790" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9353" PostId="3681" Score="0" Text="I agree that the mods are just doing their jobs, but the criteria is no longer clear. Some questions seem to be incredibly subjective and broad, but do not get flagged as off-topic. Others seem fairly relevant, but are flagged as well. If the rules were followed to a T, then no questions that are open to interpretation would be allowed at all." CreationDate="2016-06-02T21:07:09.813" UserId="42605" />
  <row Id="9354" PostId="3681" Score="0" Text="@Zeejet This has nothing to do with closing questions. This is about moderators cleaning up comments. Closing questions as off-topic are typically done by non-moderator users who have acquired the necessary reputation, so there is bound to be some inconsistency. Even despite the variability among users, the general &quot;topic&quot; of the question is not the sole criterion for closing questions; there are also issues of clarity, specificity, and whether the question even *has* an answer. Yes, there is *by design* a certain amount of subjectivity in closing questions. You may find the help pages useful." CreationDate="2016-06-02T21:11:32.377" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="9355" PostId="3681" Score="0" Text="@jpmc26 Thanks for clarifying. I have indeed read the help pages. My impression is that if the question does not have a finite set of answers, it should not be asked. A question with a high degree of specificity might make the question off-topic. The converse would make the question too vague/broad. I've resigned to just letting the mods do their jobs though." CreationDate="2016-06-02T21:16:52.147" UserId="42605" />
  <row Id="9102" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="Difficult balance. You need to leave a bit of room for brainstorming -- including digressions -- if you want to find the best answers. At the same time, you don't want to let the brainstorming drive out of hide the answers.. In most. FAQ systems the mod/editor would eventually summarize/synthesize/merge answers and three into a coherent whole. SE, in attempting to crowdsource the whole process, loses that step. Oh well; it is what it is." CreationDate="2016-05-10T00:46:21.403" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9105" PostId="3682" Score="4" Text="+1 I am also in favor of more comment deletion, answer-like comments in particular .  Once they have been read by the OP,  they do nothing but detract from the quality of the question." CreationDate="2016-05-10T02:52:03.407" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9107" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="Mild disagreement. Sometimes something which isn't a complete answer itself (and shouldn't be posted as one) still helps to illuminate the question and answer space and can help lead to an answer. When I have a partial response I'll often post it as comment in the hope that someone else has the other half, or the time and energy to write it up properly. Comments, used well, can add value." CreationDate="2016-05-10T03:33:54.043" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9109" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="@keshlam I have wanted a &quot;convert comment to answer&quot; moderator function for a long time. But alas... :(" CreationDate="2016-05-10T12:30:41.570" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9110" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="Personally, I wouldn't object if someone else cut-and-pasted one of my comments into an answer, though it might be nice if they @-cited me as the source of the idea.  This is a case where getting the point system is ___discouraging___ users/admins from doing the right thing, for fear of appearing to take someone else's  points... if I objected to being quoted i wouldn't have posted the comment!!!" CreationDate="2016-05-10T12:38:39.717" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9112" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="@keshlam I do that when I write an answer and people post suggestions I think are worth including(often I attribute it too like you are saying)." CreationDate="2016-05-10T12:55:05.310" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9113" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="Right. I'm suggesting that the same applies even if the comment causes you to start a new answer. Or should, if people were being reasonable." CreationDate="2016-05-10T12:57:18.440" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9118" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="@keshlam yeah... that's a whole other topic. &quot;How to convince the Internet to be reasonable.&quot;  ;-)" CreationDate="2016-05-10T14:04:18.590" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9209" PostId="3682" Score="0" Text="BTW, that sort of useful tool being neglected is exactly why I get annoyed when SE asks for suggestions for more &quot;reward&quot; utilities. Making the system work better will help it more than additional gameification." CreationDate="2016-05-13T06:54:37.993" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9121" PostId="3683" Score="0" Text="First sentence; answer .. Or ask, which I think was the bigger issue in this case. I'd say typo, but both are valid points; never assume malace." CreationDate="2016-05-10T14:39:31.093" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9183" PostId="3683" Score="0" Text="Would it be possible for you to give an example of one of the offensive comments? I'm honestly curious as to what was said, and it would certainly help make your point." CreationDate="2016-05-12T03:48:44.830" UserId="30756" />
  <row Id="9191" PostId="3683" Score="5" Text="@QPaysTaxes I thought about screenshotting the entire thread, but I don't really want to have to go through the now 59 deleted comments and censor names. A few examples: `I mean... from the &quot;facts&quot; you've pointed out, it seems you may actually be the &quot;ignorant&quot; one here.` and `Stop being vegan, thats the most stupid position ever created` and `A simple solution - eat him! `" CreationDate="2016-05-12T11:24:35.890" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9192" PostId="3683" Score="0" Text="@enderland Oh, I see. I was imagining things that were off-topic and a little offensive, but not really -- more like &quot;Why're you vegan? You don't get to eat meat!&quot;, not that. Thanks a ton!" CreationDate="2016-05-12T12:06:06.813" UserId="30756" />
  <row Id="9399" PostId="3683" Score="2" Text="I remember this post vividly. The OP had *sooo* much misinformation, which was likely a key reason why there was hostile behavior at work. And OP wasn't willing to address that fact. It became quite apparent why the work problems were happening with a few probing questions. The problem was that instead of taking that information and crafting an answer, people took to the comments to solve the problem at its core. It escalated (and degenerated) from there. I'm probably the most pro-comment person on SE, but even I would say that post's comments were getting *way* out of hand." CreationDate="2016-06-09T15:11:25.150" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="9200" PostId="3684" Score="0" Text="This looks really great! I know we often distinguish between different states in the US as well. I can't imagine using state flags would work very well though, as many of them are just a seal on a colored background. And it should probably be limited to countries anyway, so that we don't have too many states/territories requiring special tags." CreationDate="2016-05-12T15:30:52.123" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9296" PostId="3684" Score="1" Text="@DavidK - For the most part there is a common set of laws and customs that rule over US workplaces.  There are minor differences but nothing like the difference between US - Europe - Asia - India" CreationDate="2016-05-25T19:54:02.990" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9119" PostId="3685" Score="0" Text="This question is rather dated, but relevant and it provides some interesting background into the discussion.&#xA;&#xA;http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2038/high-volume-of-questions-being-put-on-hold-or-closed-is-that-a-problem?rq=1" CreationDate="2016-05-10T14:17:25.190" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9120" PostId="3685" Score="0" Text="Well, it is better than the three votes that were required in the (g)olden days... but keep in mind that those that are able to cast the votes already have some weight in the community." CreationDate="2016-05-10T14:23:23.373" UserId="16712" />
  <row Id="9123" PostId="3685" Score="2" Text="Everyone on this site with 3,000 reputation can both vote to close and vote to reopen. There are [23 people who have gained that reputation just this year alone](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Reputation&amp;filter=year) (not to mention the huge number of people who have currently have at least that much, just not all gained this calendar year)." CreationDate="2016-05-10T14:46:48.510" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9124" PostId="3685" Score="3" Text="Also, regarding that example, 11 answers in 5 hours _generally_ suggests a question is probably a good indication a question is too poll-like and opinion-seeking." CreationDate="2016-05-10T14:59:23.610" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9127" PostId="3685" Score="2" Text="Note that your suggested solution would have to be discussed on the main Stack Exchange meta as it involves a complete revamp of a system that's been working well (though of course not perfectly) for years." CreationDate="2016-05-10T15:18:17.793" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9129" PostId="3685" Score="0" Text="@enderland To look at it another way, there are 158 people total who have the privilege as of this comment.  Is 3000 rep the right threshold?  Is 158 too few?  Too many?" CreationDate="2016-05-10T16:53:07.350" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9131" PostId="3685" Score="2" Text="@Lumberjack I think it is important for people to be familiar enough with the site before being able to partake in various moderation activities such as closing/opening questions. SE operates under a community moderation mindset -- while reputation isn't the only way to measure this, it is a &quot;better than alternatives&quot; way. There is a reason why many community activities are possible at much lower reputation, such as editing. Closing/deleting/reopening are privileges that happen at higher thresholds for good reasons in my opinion." CreationDate="2016-05-10T18:00:23.890" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9203" PostId="3685" Score="0" Text="Perhaps the problem could be too many close-votes per user.  What is it?  25 per day?  There's one with the privilege who uses every last one." CreationDate="2016-05-12T15:46:31.197" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9148" PostId="3687" Score="4" Text="Many if us have voted to reopen questions that we voted to close, after the problem which required a close vote was corrected. Note that problematic questions are generally put on hold, _not_ actually closed, specifically to give the author and the community a chance to go through this re-reviewing process." CreationDate="2016-05-11T03:39:52.677" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9177" PostId="3687" Score="2" Text="@jim-g That is one of the finest edits I have ever seen.  As an aside, it looks like there may be an issue with the way the system is storing re-open votes.  When I run the query today it seems like the results are too low to be accurate." CreationDate="2016-05-12T01:04:04.190" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9178" PostId="3687" Score="0" Text="Nice edit, I rarely vote to close, but I quite often vote not to close. So I don't know the stats but in at least those ones it would take 6 close votes. Most of the higher ranked people seem to have a similar background to each other and therefore similar viewpoints on questions (I assume) so that may be a factor as well." CreationDate="2016-05-12T01:35:08.533" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9196" PostId="3687" Score="0" Text="The problem, IMO, is that there are a few experienced members who have let their reputation scores go to their heads.  One comes to mind who would vote to close a topic on oranges because there was a previous question on apples since they are both fruit.  THAT is frustrating as a single VTC triggers others.  It's human nature." CreationDate="2016-05-12T14:19:03.050" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9199" PostId="3687" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Unsure what reputation has to do with it, it's easy to amass, I got 36 votes just for advising a chap to poo his pants at work before my answer got deleted :-)" CreationDate="2016-05-12T15:29:09.827" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9202" PostId="3687" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi I don't think you'd ever let anything go to your head.  And yes, it's amazing what gets you upvotes" CreationDate="2016-05-12T15:45:13.213" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9133" PostId="3689" Score="11" Text="Far be it from me to discourage people from participating on meta, but wouldn't it have been easier and faster to google the term?" CreationDate="2016-05-10T19:17:07.130" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9145" PostId="3689" Score="1" Text="I thought IANAL is a StackExchange term, not an Internet-at-large term like BRB, LOL, and IMHO." CreationDate="2016-05-11T02:50:55.403" UserId="44371" />
  <row Id="9152" PostId="3689" Score="12" Text="@lillienthal: There are times when I really regret our policy of not considering lmgtfy answers acceptable. Sometimes the best thing you can do for someone is to teach them how to find their own answers." CreationDate="2016-05-11T09:36:45.757" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9198" PostId="3689" Score="9" Text="@Lilienthal Normally I'd agree with you, but if you're at work, I would advise you don't google anything that might end with the unfortunate 4 letters in this acronym." CreationDate="2016-05-12T15:23:47.810" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="9214" PostId="3689" Score="2" Text="@corsiKa: A simple query on Google for &quot;define:IANAL&quot; would've sufficed without returning objectionable material." CreationDate="2016-05-13T17:40:28.357" UserId="13319" />
  <row Id="9233" PostId="3689" Score="2" Text="Hum... I've read the question waaaay too fast." CreationDate="2016-05-18T08:12:20.383" UserId="17785" />
  <row Id="9236" PostId="3689" Score="1" Text="Make sure not to put a space after the first letter." CreationDate="2016-05-20T04:31:22.977" UserId="2494" />
  <row Id="9238" PostId="3689" Score="1" Text="@JennyTengsonMandani It goes back to at least Slashdot, probably newsgroups." CreationDate="2016-05-20T14:37:39.183" UserDisplayName="user38933" />
  <row Id="9240" PostId="3689" Score="0" Text="http://ianal.urbanup.com/2797978#.V0A7EUY2QrE.google" CreationDate="2016-05-21T10:42:39.493" UserId="49564" />
  <row Id="9132" PostId="3690" Score="8" Text="FWIW I disagree with your last sentence.  IMHO these sorts of &quot;succinct terms&quot; are the jargon of our community.  Jargon isn't only about communication.  It also plays a valuable role in tying communities together." CreationDate="2016-05-10T18:21:21.893" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9134" PostId="3690" Score="2" Text="I worked out what IMHO is... but too lazy to google FWIW... I actually didn't know what IANAL meant either, we use internet slang here, but it's a different language so different abbreviations except we all know LOL and LMBO and a few others." CreationDate="2016-05-10T20:58:58.220" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9146" PostId="3690" Score="6" Text="For What It's Worth... Slang's quicker when folks grok the jive, but may be impenetrable to others, especially when it isn't in their native language. (Lots of examples can be found in the linguistic areas of SE.) Best practice is to try to avoid it when the idea is actually important, or at the very least to define it the first time it's used in a question/answer set. But that doesn't always happen... When in doubt, it is _always_ legitimate to ask for clarification." CreationDate="2016-05-11T03:26:39.030" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9156" PostId="3690" Score="0" Text="@Lumberjack PEYA. IMNSHO it's nicer than making people STFW." CreationDate="2016-05-11T13:21:26.980" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9158" PostId="3690" Score="0" Text="I am totally stumped!" CreationDate="2016-05-11T13:59:08.987" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9215" PostId="3690" Score="1" Text="Lumberjack: @MonicaCellio clearly meant, &quot;Pretty Elegant Yet Asinine.  In my not so humble opinion it's nicer than making people Search The Friendly Web." CreationDate="2016-05-13T19:10:37.193" UserId="45088" />
  <row Id="9216" PostId="3690" Score="3" Text="@TOOGAM two out of three; PEYA is actually &quot;Please Expand Your Acronyms&quot;.  Lumberjack, I trust I've made my point about (not) using cryptic jargon." CreationDate="2016-05-13T19:34:11.857" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9217" PostId="3690" Score="1" Text="MC: Your point was drowned out by the comment's unfairness.  Websearching for PCEA doesn't pull up the answer.  Only Result 5 out of 121 of [Google search including right answer](https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#safe=off&amp;q=PEYA+please+expand+your+acronyms) showed this.  It was a Usenet post which sensibly gave the expansion right by the acronym. When using something so uncommon, hyperlinking to answer is polite and rather common (especially when unfamiliarity is shown).  I quickly (re-)learned IANAL and FWIW by searching, but PEYA just doesn't work the same. @Lumberjack: Answers are here now" CreationDate="2016-05-13T20:21:45.823" UserId="45088" />
  <row Id="9223" PostId="3690" Score="0" Text="@keshlam .. Now you are going to have to explain &quot;**grok**&quot; for those who have never [**read Robert Heinlein**](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grok).  8^D" CreationDate="2016-05-14T23:53:27.847" UserId="38636" />
  <row Id="9225" PostId="3690" Score="0" Text="Post of the point being made is &quot;know your audience&quot;. Anyone who has gotten this far has seen the search-the-web point." CreationDate="2016-05-15T01:05:59.040" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9234" PostId="3690" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi OK, I know IMHO FWIW IANAL LOL but not LMBO... LMAO OTOH." CreationDate="2016-05-19T16:14:53.700" UserId="15886" />
  <row Id="9235" PostId="3690" Score="0" Text="@AaronMcMillin B = bum ... I don't use the 'donkey' word...." CreationDate="2016-05-19T18:53:20.973" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9135" PostId="3691" Score="6" Text="Thank goodness for that, I'd always assumed it was something a bit ruder." CreationDate="2016-05-10T20:59:56.610" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9205" PostId="3691" Score="0" Text="Me, too, but I usually think of it as OCD, instead." CreationDate="2016-05-12T19:27:19.783" UserId="32767" />
  <row Id="9224" PostId="3691" Score="4" Text="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holiday_Inn_Express#Marketing" CreationDate="2016-05-15T01:02:37.523" UserId="2472" />
  <row Id="9136" PostId="3692" Score="3" Text="I think your basic premise is totally wrong, thousands of policemen must face the same issue and they cope with it and get ahead. Also your advice is probably physically dangerous to the OP. On the bright side making me reread the question has enabled me to suggest the perfect strategy, so your typing wasn't a total waste." CreationDate="2016-05-10T21:23:55.427" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9137" PostId="3692" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi India is a civilized democracy with a significant Christian minority. The life is so terrible there only because it is overpopulated. This overpopulation will lead to a clearly visible catastrophe in the near future. Conversion can mean there a permanent social stigma, but it is clearly not life-threatening. It is also a possibility to collect people thinking similarly to him." CreationDate="2016-05-10T21:29:36.963" UserId="32611" />
  <row Id="9140" PostId="3692" Score="2" Text="Civilised is a matter of opinion. And it can easily be life threatening, the OP could get into a bad situation and his fellow policemen could just leave him in it because they dislike Christians.... I was a bouncer I know what that is like. He's in a dangerous profession." CreationDate="2016-05-10T21:42:10.813" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9138" PostId="3693" Score="0" Text="The &quot;revolve&quot; means here doing some unconditional, some... *revolutionary unconditional*, and not actual fight with weapons. If you would read that answer again, I didn't said *&quot;OP to convert to a religion so they can be a martyr&quot;*. This martyr-thing you mention twice, it seems it seriously harmed you. I addressed very clearly the OPs &quot;situation and constraints&quot; (i.e. his hopeless fight with the caste system). I didn't attacked anybody, especially not the culture/country of the OP, except that I condemned the caste system, with it I am probably not alone." CreationDate="2016-05-10T21:35:01.223" UserId="32611" />
  <row Id="9139" PostId="3693" Score="0" Text="After perfectly mis-interpreting my writing, you also ask me to leave. May I ask you, *what is your real problem to me*?" CreationDate="2016-05-10T21:35:29.843" UserId="32611" />
  <row Id="9141" PostId="3693" Score="2" Text="@MorningStar I think a good answer to this question will 1) not focus on how bad of a country the writer thinks India is,  2) respect the asker (ie not tell them their life is hopeless and meaningless) and 3) provide actionable things to do which address their problem and situation. Additionally, should an answer say &quot;convert to Christianity&quot; I would think that there would be a detailed explanation as to how this will help the asker in their current situation as well as how they can manage the social implications such an action would have (particularly in India)." CreationDate="2016-05-11T00:53:05.903" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9142" PostId="3693" Score="0" Text="1) I didn't said any bad from India in the deleted answer 2) I respected the asker 3) I didn't mention anything about his life, I mentioned his fight against the caste-system is hopeless. 3) My answer was full with actionable things. 4) My answer detailed very clearly, how could it help (mostly not, but he will at least have the possibility to make to world better on a long term). After you again misinterpreted nearly everything I wrote, I need to ask again: *What is you real problem to me?*" CreationDate="2016-05-11T01:41:36.227" UserId="32611" />
  <row Id="9144" PostId="3693" Score="0" Text="...and, without a clear answer, I think the real reason is that you simply hate the Christianity, which is really surprising, considering the fact, that I never did any bad for you..." CreationDate="2016-05-11T01:57:15.993" UserId="32611" />
  <row Id="9150" PostId="3693" Score="3" Text="Recommending someone convert, when they have not asked specifically for that advice, will always be taken badly and trigger irrelevant debates about religion.  Even if you think it would be good for them, it is a bad thing to suggest if you want them-- or anyone else -- to hear anything else you may want to say. For purely strategic reasons, I strongly suggest you abandon that part of your post... Among other things, some people will read it as evidence that Christians are intolerant of other religions. There are appropriate times and places. This is neither" CreationDate="2016-05-11T03:52:52.353" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9155" PostId="3693" Score="2" Text="@MorningStar I added specifics addressing your answer to this." CreationDate="2016-05-11T12:02:41.783" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9157" PostId="3693" Score="5" Text="Excellent edit, illustrating exactly why this is not a valid answer -- while at the same time being like to to incite an off topic flame-war. I was trying to give the OP the benefit of the doubt and a chance to reach this conclusion on their own, but somtime application of a clue-by-four is needed." CreationDate="2016-05-11T13:26:27.243" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9187" PostId="3693" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure why you think attacking the Caste system is justified just because you think so. It's a 5 thousand year old system which has basically stopped wholesale genocide in a country with multiple societies by giving each recognition of a sort and a niche. Some niches are better than others, but thats true of any society. The OP's problem is because he's outside his niche, and answers from overseas Indians are a waste of space since by definition they have lost caste by going overseas." CreationDate="2016-05-12T05:27:31.590" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9160" PostId="3695" Score="0" Text="Perhaps this is a clear sign that comments are indeed for discussion... particularly on Workplace, where almost every question is heavily opinion based and there is no single correct answer. When you delete all these comments, instead of moving to chat, or leaving in-place, you lose context of the answers, which are almost always based on discussion from comments. At the very least, Mods need to make it clear when comments are moved to chat, and really aught to never delete comments unless they are incredibly offensive (racism, etc), not just borderline questionable." CreationDate="2016-05-11T16:56:23.413" UserId="12681" />
  <row Id="9161" PostId="3695" Score="0" Text="Normal users have a box they must checkmark a reason for flagging something, why do Mods not have to checkmark something similar when performing a moderation task such as deletion of comments? This box/checkmark reason could automagically insert canned responses of &quot;Comments have been moved to chat because of reason X&quot;, where X is the checkbox the Mod selected." CreationDate="2016-05-11T16:57:45.217" UserId="12681" />
  <row Id="9162" PostId="3695" Score="0" Text="Silent moderation creates problems, exactly like this here. People dont' know the reason things are going away, and it can lead to hostile feelings, or bad assumptions of favoritism or bias coming from Mods directed at users. I know most Mods intend good, but accountability and transparency are good for everyone, and protects both sides of the fence from false acquisitions." CreationDate="2016-05-11T16:59:24.803" UserId="12681" />
  <row Id="9163" PostId="3695" Score="0" Text="In addition, discussions in comments with high upvote counts are very valuable to future site visitors. Since Workplace is highly opinion based, most users accept the answer they want to hear, not necessarily the best answer. Having discussion on the permanent record of why people feel the accepted answer is wrong, is very valuable, often times more valuable than the answer itself. I know, people will say those comments should be made into answers, but this doesn't happen and won't happen, since it means risking downvotes on contentious opinion based answers." CreationDate="2016-05-11T17:16:27.103" UserId="12681" />
  <row Id="9164" PostId="3695" Score="11" Text="@SnakeDoc Your claim that modes should &quot;never delete comments unless they are incredibly offensive&quot; is absolutely not the way any of the SE sites I've participated in operate.  There are countless discussions where comments are declared ephemeral and temporary." CreationDate="2016-05-11T17:16:28.693" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="9165" PostId="3695" Score="0" Text="@Beofett It's pretty irrelevant how SE sites have historically operated... we're discussing why this mode of operation may indeed be bad for Workplace in particular. The traditional SE model really only works for fact driven sites, like SO, where there is mostly only a single correct answer." CreationDate="2016-05-11T17:26:57.703" UserId="12681" />
  <row Id="9167" PostId="3695" Score="16" Text="@SnakeDoc thanks for providing such a clear demonstration of the problem. You chose to post *four successive comments*, ~2000 characters, arguing with an answer instead of *supporting your perspective in your own answer*. Answers can be voted on in *both* directions, can be edited, are sorted, and rarely number more than 10. **Nobody** should have to wade through 200+ comments on a question and all of its answers to figure out what conclusions to draw. Answers go in answers; comments are temporary &amp; secondary and there is *no* obligation to preserve each one. We are not a special snowflake." CreationDate="2016-05-11T17:50:15.553" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9169" PostId="3695" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio If I had posted my 4 comments in an answer, you would never have seen them or known I was discussing issues raised by your answer. That is the value of comments. And nobody has to wade through 200+ comments, the community takes care of that on their own. Upvoted comments are visible, while others not so important, aren't. Also, what do you make of my suggestion to help guard against silent moderation?" CreationDate="2016-05-11T18:12:04.853" UserId="12681" />
  <row Id="9170" PostId="3695" Score="10" Text="@SnakeDoc that &quot;value&quot; pretty much smells of trolling / pestering. Especially since most readers tend to ignore comments making it primarily focused on a single person (author of the post). Answers are whole different game" CreationDate="2016-05-11T19:12:48.367" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9171" PostId="3695" Score="11" Text="@SnakeDoc you don't like the moderation policy - we get that. You raised it on meta, which is the right thing to do. The community has responded, and the consensus is that we're happy with the moderation policy. Time to let it go." CreationDate="2016-05-11T19:55:16.430" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="9172" PostId="3695" Score="7" Text="@SnakeDoc no, it absolutely is relevant. It's relevant because*time and time again it has been shown that comments are a poor format for anything of lasting value*.  As for this site being somehow different because it's not &quot;fact based&quot;, and &quot; the traditional model only works for fact driven sites&quot;... Well, for several years, I moderated parenting.SE, one of the longest running &quot;non traditional&quot; SE sites, and I can say unequivocally that comments are best handled on such sites exactly the way you're saying doesn't work." CreationDate="2016-05-11T21:23:55.463" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="9184" PostId="3695" Score="6" Text="@SnakeDoc What you should be doing is posting your answer explaining your point of view -- heck, a copy/paste of your current comments would be perfect -- and then _linking the answer in a comment_, saying something like &quot;I've addressed a few of your points in [this answer], wanna take a look?&quot; That way, the community is able to vote on your answer to show agreement/disagreement, rather than having to happen to stumble on a series of very, very long comments, read them all, and decide to add their voice to the discussion of your answer, in the comments of _another answer_." CreationDate="2016-05-12T03:52:29.693" UserId="30756" />
  <row Id="9185" PostId="3697" Score="1" Text="Let him go, his perceptions haven't changed, he'll also think his next manager is micromanaging him, the whole world is trying to micromanage him... it's not in the slightest his fault... and he has zero interest in meeting you halfway, you are now the excuse for him leaving, and that is not going to change. Your biggest mistake was wasting all that time asking people if you're a micromanager." CreationDate="2016-05-12T04:00:01.163" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9237" PostId="3697" Score="1" Text="OP, while this isn't really the place for it I wanted to mention that I'm impressed by the contributions you've made since joining earlier this month. You've submitted some excellent questions both here and on the main site, added some well-written and well-reasoned answers and commented your close or downvotes. Well done. Consider joining [chat] if you want to be even more involved." CreationDate="2016-05-20T08:19:13.817" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9212" PostId="3698" Score="1" Text="Thank you Jim.  I hope you are right!" CreationDate="2016-05-13T16:18:30.070" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9193" PostId="3700" Score="0" Text="I definitely agree with the shortening and cutting out some of the backstory. It should be enough to say that your direct report went to your boss about feeling micromanaged, but after talking to your boss and your other direct reports, no one else views you that way." CreationDate="2016-05-12T12:43:53.713" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9201" PostId="3700" Score="0" Text="Thanks very much for your feedback.  At your suggestion, I have removed some of the backstory to make the question less wordy.  Curious to solicit your feedback on the edits: is the question better or worse in your opinion?" CreationDate="2016-05-12T15:41:17.127" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9204" PostId="3700" Score="0" Text="@Lumberjack Looks like a good improvement. I'd probably keep a phrase on how you requested input from a mentor (who presumably has management experience) as that should help avoid comments like &quot;are you *sure* you're not micromanaging him&quot;. Like I said, I'd go ahead and post it. You can add a comment encouraging people to edit the question if they see a way to improve it but that's optional. I've considered submitting an edited version but our writing styles are fairly different and I don't want to butcher a well-written question. :)" CreationDate="2016-05-12T17:03:41.283" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9213" PostId="3700" Score="0" Text="Thank you @Lilienthal" CreationDate="2016-05-13T16:18:49.007" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9197" PostId="3701" Score="0" Text="This seems to be more of an answer to the original question, not this meta question." CreationDate="2016-05-12T15:20:36.040" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="9210" PostId="3701" Score="0" Text="You are right @mhoran_psprep , maybe I didn't mention it correctly but actually I have all past historical data and statistics of every single sprints so far and what I mentioned is based on 6 months historical data." CreationDate="2016-05-13T11:22:52.393" UserId="50272" />
  <row Id="9206" PostId="3703" Score="0" Text="Your first bullet point is moot, since that phrase was replaced in an edit hours ago.  I can update with any questions you might have for my friend.  Also the questions are now very materially different, there having been a number of edits to both since they were asked." CreationDate="2016-05-12T20:04:56.967" UserId="2052" />
  <row Id="9207" PostId="3703" Score="2" Text="@eggyal Updated, but you should also edit the title if you want to make your core question clear. I dislike working through a proxy and having people ask advice for friends who are perfectly capable of asking for themselves, but I think opinions on that differ on this site. Anyway, despite your edits I still feel that the question is too problematic to be reopened and any version that would be sufficiently on-topic here would not be sufficiently different from the Academia one." CreationDate="2016-05-12T20:17:38.043" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9218" PostId="3703" Score="1" Text="I was going to argue that The Workplace might have some unique perspectives to share.  We have some really thoughtful and quality answerers here, but your answer convinced me." CreationDate="2016-05-13T23:33:34.223" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9312" PostId="3703" Score="0" Text="1) Lots of things we deal with have a legal aspect.  As long as the question is not asking for legal advice(Should I sue, can I be sued, if i get sued what should i do, etc) they are not off topic because of that. &#xA;2) Cross posting itself while definately frowned upon does not mean the question should be automatically closed.  We should evaluate the question based on the value it adds to the site.  If it fits well here it should be accepted on its merits.&#xA;Otherwise I agree that with your assessment that the post does not belong,,, and it has been deleted." CreationDate="2016-05-26T15:32:32.877" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9219" PostId="3704" Score="0" Text="Are you proposing a different color for each country? That could be a lot of colors." CreationDate="2016-05-14T10:41:02.353" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9226" PostId="3704" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere yikes, no -- that would look like an explosion in a kaleidoscope factory.  I mean a single color that is different from the standard tag color, that is applied to all tags in a designated set (countries for us)." CreationDate="2016-05-15T03:15:28.583" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9227" PostId="3704" Score="0" Text="Ah, I see. Would only the set of countries have a color? Or would there be other sets of tags for The Workplace?" CreationDate="2016-05-15T11:38:21.657" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9229" PostId="3704" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere nope, one special set of highlighted tags per site, whatever each site thinks is important to call out that way." CreationDate="2016-05-15T17:15:43.903" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9230" PostId="3706" Score="1" Text="How did you notice this?" CreationDate="2016-05-16T02:02:25.410" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="9231" PostId="3706" Score="1" Text="@JimG. Suspension is rare so users are often intrigued when they see a post from a 1-rep user for the first time and click the profile to find out why he has only 1 rep. The &quot;last seen&quot; stat is prominently placed on that page. Other users may check the profile to find out when the suspension expires and will also see the stat." CreationDate="2016-05-16T09:36:24.907" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9232" PostId="3707" Score="4" Text="And it's not exactly like we could stop them reading the site - all they'd have to do is log out." CreationDate="2016-05-16T15:13:23.813" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="9241" PostId="3711" Score="7" Text="There isn't space to do much that &quot;reads&quot; well. They were trying for the impossible-object vibe... though the classic version of that is a triangle, which would both be more different and might read better... To my eyes it's sufficiently distinct to not be more that a minor annoyance, but I would like to hear whether it's sufficiently different for folks who are color-blind." CreationDate="2016-05-22T02:50:41.637" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9242" PostId="3711" Score="2" Text="Many of the icons are pretty much meaningless anyway. There's nothing about the icon for The Workplace that screams &quot;workplace&quot;, as far as I can see. Tossing it out and starting over might be a good approach. I'm not sure it matters all that much." CreationDate="2016-05-22T11:46:04.053" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9243" PostId="3711" Score="5" Text="@keshlam I'm not sure why they didn't just go for a jigsaw piece to be honest. And I agree that it's a minor issue for people without a visual impairment, I just figured I'd throw it out here to see if anyone considers it a real problem." CreationDate="2016-05-22T12:16:37.603" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9245" PostId="3711" Score="0" Text="FWIW, it is not just you. I had the same misunderstanding.  Moreover, the screenshot you posted was also the first time I saw &quot;their&quot; new icon, and coincidentally the accompanying text happened to suggest a &quot;workplacish&quot; question as well." CreationDate="2016-05-22T16:05:55.530" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9246" PostId="3711" Score="7" Text="As for what could be done about it, if anything needs to be done, I think this is a good time &quot;we&quot; change &quot;our&quot;  icon. As it stands, even a person who doesn't frequent &quot;their&quot; site can &quot;get&quot; their icon, but even someone who regularly visits &quot;our&quot; site will have a hard time figuring out what &quot;our&quot; icon means. Personally I have no idea how that square-like thing represents the workplace. Does it represent the 4 walls of an office room, or 4 colleagues working together, or something else? What about the colours? Were they chosen at someone's whim, or do they represent anything?" CreationDate="2016-05-22T16:11:48.183" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9248" PostId="3711" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan No clue. It's forced into the O in Workplace but that also doesn't really make sense. I personally quite like the colours and abstract design but I agree that it's fairly meaningless." CreationDate="2016-05-22T17:19:50.683" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9258" PostId="3711" Score="4" Text="[Related discussion on Puzzling's meta](http://meta.puzzling.stackexchange.com/q/4748/6200)." CreationDate="2016-05-23T14:18:17.067" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9280" PostId="3711" Score="1" Text="I still get confused which site I'm on. It's not going to be a problem because, if you're reading something on Workplace or Puzzling, chances are you're interested and the site it's on doesn't matter. If you have an account on one site, you could be confused by lack of privileges, but there's no pressing issue here." CreationDate="2016-05-23T15:26:45.143" UserId="27449" />
  <row Id="9284" PostId="3711" Score="0" Text="I suggest a [meta-tag:hot-questions] duel. Site which gets more and longer stuck questions in the list wins (or loses, I haven't yet made up my mind). Winner keeps an icon, loser changes their" CreationDate="2016-05-23T17:35:14.287" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9285" PostId="3711" Score="1" Text="@gnat I would normally agree and consider us unbeatable, but I've just seen 5 Puzzle questions in a single HNQ sidebar. :)" CreationDate="2016-05-23T19:51:40.683" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9286" PostId="3711" Score="2" Text="that's why we need to carefully weight our chances and depending on that decide which outcome is to be considered a win (&quot;I haven't yet made up my mind&quot;:)" CreationDate="2016-05-23T20:00:40.653" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9292" PostId="3711" Score="0" Text="**The Workplace can definitely be Puzzling.** Maybe that is why we get so many Questions? (Perhaps we should have gone with a W instead of an O? Or am I just being silly there?)" CreationDate="2016-05-24T20:14:42.900" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="9293" PostId="3711" Score="1" Text="I'm inclined to agree with @MaskedMan myself (as a casual visitor to both sites).  The &quot;O&quot; doesn't really relate to the Workplace in any way, and the design logic for it *also* doesn't relate (key feature at the time: it was distinctive).  That said, two years of history with the current icon is nothing to sneeze at, so unless someone has an actual suggestion for changing it, I don't think it should be changed for the newcomer.  In other words, this is an **opportunity** to redesign the logo, but **only** if someone has an idea to take advantage of it with." CreationDate="2016-05-24T22:27:11.693" UserId="2341" />
  <row Id="9294" PostId="3711" Score="0" Text="Puzzlings is also very similar to the Google Developer Group logo... Illuminati!" CreationDate="2016-05-25T09:23:57.320" UserId="8039" />
  <row Id="9295" PostId="3711" Score="2" Text="There was an [official response](http://meta.puzzling.stackexchange.com/a/4911/373) from Stack Exchange posted on Puzzling. The short version: The logos aren't going to change." CreationDate="2016-05-25T18:40:53.713" UserId="18547" />
  <row Id="9244" PostId="3712" Score="0" Text="http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2153/aggressive-edits This post talks about aggressive edits, but I feel like it misses the mark from what I'm talking about here.  I don't want to change the content of the question in any significant way, only the language." CreationDate="2016-05-22T14:02:36.767" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9247" PostId="3712" Score="2" Text="FWIW, I speak English as my *fifth* language, and I have no problems if someone edits my posts substantially for the better." CreationDate="2016-05-22T16:15:30.077" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9252" PostId="3712" Score="1" Text="Assuming you don't change the intent and meaning, then I don't think it's in bad taste. Which also assumes you have a way to understand the original intent despite the language issues." CreationDate="2016-05-22T19:47:41.143" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9282" PostId="3712" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere It's definitely a balancing act. In my experience, if there's even a minor chance that you're misunderstanding the OP you should refrain from editing and leave a comment (and ideally a close vote) instead. A number of users never return to the site after submitting a hodgepodge of broken English. In those cases the editing (and guessing) required often isn't worth the effort." CreationDate="2016-05-23T16:00:04.783" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9255" PostId="3713" Score="0" Text="+1 Pretty much my answer" CreationDate="2016-05-23T05:21:41.820" UserId="4937" />
  <row Id="9256" PostId="3713" Score="3" Text="One thing to add: aside from leaving a comment, which is a good practice if you've changed a lot (but kept the intent), **make sure to fill in the edit reason.** If you don't specify that you're only copyediting without changing the author's intent you risk an edit being rejected by hasty reviewers. This is mainly a problem for sub-2K rep users (who need to have edits approved) but it's a good practice for everyone to describe large edits." CreationDate="2016-05-23T10:40:03.767" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9275" PostId="3716" Score="3" Text="It was deleted by the community as offensive." CreationDate="2016-05-23T15:01:22.700" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9276" PostId="3716" Score="2" Text="The truth is often seen as such. It's an ongoing issue. You can trace it a long, long way back through history and see this pattern play out again and again." CreationDate="2016-05-23T15:04:15.533" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9277" PostId="3716" Score="0" Text="Also, I'm not really asking for support as I don't really expect to get any here, it's more something of a bugbear." CreationDate="2016-05-23T15:05:20.570" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9278" PostId="3716" Score="14" Text="So you're just trolling and/or ranting?  Knock it off." CreationDate="2016-05-23T15:07:09.857" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9288" PostId="3716" Score="1" Text="What was your question?" CreationDate="2016-05-24T02:22:17.640" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="9344" PostId="3716" Score="2" Text="@JimG. I was asking about why certain types of question had become the norm when all they seemed to be doing was helping rich people get richer. I made a joke about 'The Six Sigma Illuminati' to try to avoid outright offending people while still hoping it would garner the appropriate response. Which in this case was my suspension from the site, though I had of course hoped for a more amicable resolution similarly effective in drawing attention to the issue." CreationDate="2016-05-30T17:17:27.123" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9345" PostId="3716" Score="3" Text="&quot;The rich getting richer&quot; was a thing years ago on Workplace.SE. I didn't know that it was still happening though. These days, I think people are actually earning their rep points." CreationDate="2016-05-30T18:14:01.493" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="9343" PostId="3718" Score="1" Text="It wasn't a personal amusement, @MonicaCellio. I was using art to make a point about aspects of the site and the sort of questions which had become the norm, and were going unchallenged. I felt a less artistic response would have lacked the necessary emotional weight. I am aware this sort of &quot;rocking the boat&quot; is as almost universally unwelcome as it is often necessary." CreationDate="2016-05-30T17:12:16.027" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9287" PostId="3719" Score="8" Text="Also note that puzzling seems to prefer their logo changes anyways given their meta discussion - it seems _everyone_ wants their logo to change (including them)." CreationDate="2016-05-23T22:55:42.553" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9324" PostId="3719" Score="2" Text="As someone who's never asked a question or answered any question on either site, I found the Puzzling SE logo to be low contrast and rather indistinct in the sidebar. Even if the full size logo is distinct and understandable, it's often the smallest logos that get my attention when I looking at the sidebar. At a bare minimum, I think it needs stronger contrast that's visible at the smallest size presented." CreationDate="2016-05-27T10:40:23.687" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="9335" PostId="3719" Score="0" Text="And of course, the extra contrast is added in less than 24 hours after my comment... guess I wasn't the only one asking for more contrast!" CreationDate="2016-05-28T16:11:59.487" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="9298" PostId="3723" Score="0" Text="Your link goes to a specific comment on an answer. I assume you're referring to the OP of the question?" CreationDate="2016-05-26T09:17:50.210" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9308" PostId="3723" Score="3" Text="I think it's a real question from someone who doesn't really want the answers." CreationDate="2016-05-26T11:00:21.657" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9310" PostId="3723" Score="0" Text="It looks like someone with extremely rigid thinking who is unable to accept advice.  I have Asperger's syndrome and I'm less rigid than this guy.  PHEW!" CreationDate="2016-05-26T12:21:24.187" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9297" PostId="3724" Score="4" Text="Keep in mind that those sites have those icons because they haven't graduated yet, which is when they get their own design. And while those icons aren't great visually, you can actually tell them apart much easier. And remember, you're on meta where everything is deadly serious. :)" CreationDate="2016-05-26T06:16:27.810" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9309" PostId="3725" Score="0" Text="I don't think it's a bad fit, per-se.  I **do** think it's a good example of a bad example of job hunting.  There's good advice in there." CreationDate="2016-05-26T12:19:50.873" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9299" PostId="3727" Score="0" Text="&quot;What tips could you give me?&quot; -- remember this is a public forum. If you would have major doubts if someone came across it, don't post." CreationDate="2016-05-25T23:47:00.493" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="9300" PostId="3727" Score="13" Text="Don't t post from an ID associated with your actual name or business, of course. Avoid unnecessary detail. See if your question, or something close enough to it, has already been asked and answered; don't insist that your case is different when the difference uniquely identified you." CreationDate="2016-05-25T23:51:34.577" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9301" PostId="3727" Score="12" Text="I agree with Keshlam, create yourself a second email address and a second username on stack overflow. Perhaps, even use a different non-default web browser when you use that second account to ask questions. And as long as you don't abuse the second account to unfairly give yourself extra reputation on the first, I think that should be ok." CreationDate="2016-05-25T23:57:08.467" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="9302" PostId="3727" Score="0" Text="somewhat related: [My facebook wall is bothering some colleagues at work, do they have the right?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/11660/my-facebook-wall-is-bothering-some-colleagues-at-work-do-they-have-the-right)" CreationDate="2016-05-26T00:22:26.850" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9303" PostId="3727" Score="9" Text="I vote to add this post to the Wiki; it is a common problem and people will face it again in the future." CreationDate="2016-05-26T00:54:42.417" UserId="48730" />
  <row Id="9304" PostId="3727" Score="2" Text="This is one of the reasons I don't use my real name or publish any real life information to my profile. I prefer to wear a mask here.  :)" CreationDate="2016-05-26T01:10:00.347" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9305" PostId="3727" Score="0" Text="Whereas Keshlam is almost unique; I just try not to say anything I wouldn't want quoted." CreationDate="2016-05-26T02:31:57.260" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9311" PostId="3727" Score="0" Text="This is **not** a meta question; the exact same question could have been asked about posting on Reddit, Glassdoor, LinkedIn, etc, and we would not have migrated it.  Meta discussion: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/3729/325." CreationDate="2016-05-26T12:50:14.337" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9307" PostId="3728" Score="7" Text="Excellent FAQ-worthy answer." CreationDate="2016-05-26T02:34:02.803" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9397" PostId="3728" Score="1" Text="Also - and forgive me if this seems obvious - make sure your 2nd account name is difficult to trace back to you. I.e. if your coworkers know that the &quot;Luis Masuelli&quot; account is yours, avoid using &quot;LuisM&quot; or &quot;LMasuelli&quot; as your 2nd account. Try something like &quot;Anonymous1234&quot;." CreationDate="2016-06-07T22:16:10.097" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="9313" PostId="3730" Score="2" Text="I agree with your disagreement. I think this question fits Meta well." CreationDate="2016-05-26T16:47:43.843" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9314" PostId="3732" Score="9" Text="&quot; I find the discussion on this meta and on Puzzlings meta and in various chat rooms to be highly disrespectful. I'm working hard to look past the disrespectful things said of me and my decision. &quot; Unless the disrespectful comments on this meta have been deleted, I don't see where anyone's been disrespectful here. Perhaps it's other question or just in chat. If not, I think you're being a it thin-skinned, especially for a community manager. I hope this isn't disrespectful too." CreationDate="2016-05-26T20:55:58.910" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="9315" PostId="3732" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherEstep: That's fair. I suspect that nothing on this page would have bothered me without context I gleaned elsewhere. (Well, except the &quot;non-answer&quot; reference edited into the question. I don't think that was meant as a compliment.)" CreationDate="2016-05-26T21:01:41.100" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="9317" PostId="3732" Score="1" Text="@JonEricson First off, let me apologise for linking to your answer on Puzzling like that. You are right that it wasn't intended as a compliment and it was entirely inappropriate. I normally make an effort not to insert my personal opinion into meta threads like this and can only blame an incredible lapse in judgement on my part. As I commented over there, the problem I had with your answer there was that you seemed to want to pretend like there is no design conflict." CreationDate="2016-05-27T08:14:01.573" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9318" PostId="3732" Score="0" Text="You also bring up a suggested improvement to the HNQ sidebar which is definitely interesting but seemed intended to deflect from the actual issue that meta thread raised and I imagine that's why you feel like it doesn't cover our concerns. Now, your answer here is much more nuanced and clearly explains the reasoning behind the decisions. It's what I would have expected to read after your short answer on the other meta instead of a random comparison to other logos that some users have also [taken issue with](http://meta.puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/4748/4911#comment10441_4911)." CreationDate="2016-05-27T08:14:07.683" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9319" PostId="3732" Score="0" Text="Now, while I shouldn't have linked to your question like that, I don't feel like my or other's comments on the Puzzling thread or here were intended to be disrespectful. The SE commenting format is such that we're limited in length and whenever I go over 2 or 3 comment boxes I start cutting stuff until I'm left with the essential. Maybe that's why curt or strong replies are sometimes taken as more critical than they were intended to be. As for the interactions between the two communities, I disagree. You're right that I personally don't care for the site and probably won't ever visit it." CreationDate="2016-05-27T08:14:14.420" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9320" PostId="3732" Score="0" Text="Because I'm not sure the concept fits SE I purposefully avoided linking an account until I felt the need to chime in on meta. But that doesn't meant that I can't respect their community, the fact that their users put in a lot of work to get that site through Area51 and beta, or that a good chunck of the SE community supports the site.  Most of us here are not part of their community and no one wants to tell them what to do or what their logo should be but I feel we deserve the right to comment on issues that impact our own site or join a discussion on site-wide procedures." CreationDate="2016-05-27T08:14:32.340" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9333" PostId="3732" Score="1" Text="@JonEricson Disrespect doesn't belong anywhere, but an honest critique as an avid user of both sites: I really don't understand what the Puzzling icon has to do with puzzles. Really!" CreationDate="2016-05-27T17:16:38.410" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="9340" PostId="3732" Score="7" Text="`Finally, I feel The Workplace community has been fairly dismissive of the Puzzling community. Instead, I'd like to point out that a number of users from this site have gone over to Puzzling's meta to tell them what their logo should be. ` &lt;-- citation needed?" CreationDate="2016-05-30T14:45:33.577" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9341" PostId="3732" Score="5" Text="Also, rereading your answer, I really do not understand where you are coming from with the second half of your post here. I get the feeling it is really written in a way to say &quot;enderland's opinions =&gt; Workplace community&quot; more than anything else - if your feelings driving your second half of this answer are primarily the result of me, edit my name in this answer directly. I do not particularly appreciate seeing the passive aggressive way you are throwing everyone here under the bus as being a disrespectful and dismissive as a community, backed only with vague statements and generalizations." CreationDate="2016-05-30T14:52:39.287" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9342" PostId="3732" Score="2" Text="Can I suggest that the various involved parties here de-escalate? @enderland, your last comment says to me that you're worked up over this; take a while away from the computer if you need to. Jon, can I suggest that (if possible) you hand this to another community manager? You're also very involved here and now that you feel it's personal, there's quite a chance that you could inadvertently let that cloud your otherwise clear judgement." CreationDate="2016-05-30T16:00:31.750" UserId="27355" />
  <row Id="9352" PostId="3732" Score="1" Text="Just for the record, my&#xA;[prompt](http://meta.puzzling.stackexchange.com/questions/4630/puzzling-design-pitch-congratulations-youre-graduating?lq=1#comment9884_4630)&#xA;at Meta Puzzling, to &quot;check out the color-bordered diamond of&#xA;workplace.stackexchange.com,&quot;&#xA;was a failed signal flare to help ward off this icon conflation,&#xA;feebly following other sentiments accurately represented here.&#xA;Seems like it would be so easy to alter the Puzzling logo to&#xA;one, such as a proposed [triangle](http://meta.puzzling.stackexchange.com/a/4752/18129), that does full justice to the present commendable design." CreationDate="2016-06-02T19:12:33.153" UserId="51265" />
  <row Id="9316" PostId="3734" Score="0" Text="If you think it's a problem, flagging it is the best way to call it to the moderators' attention." CreationDate="2016-05-27T03:47:52.397" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9328" PostId="3734" Score="5" Text="@keshlam keep in mind as moderators we nearly _never_ close things as a result of flags (except spam or other stuff like that). The site is community moderated for a reason and all of us are hesitant to cast close votes unless there are already quite a few community votes on a question to begin with." CreationDate="2016-05-27T13:10:47.143" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9330" PostId="3734" Score="0" Text="Granted, but if someone seriously believes downvotes are insufficient flags are a logical next step designed into the system. Of course if you want to argue your case Meta is the right place to do it, but unless you have a novel argument that isn't likely to do anything the others wouldn't... except possibly help you understand why you're wrong." CreationDate="2016-05-27T15:25:41.947" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9395" PostId="3734" Score="0" Text="Why on earth are you asking for a moderator?" CreationDate="2016-06-06T17:10:57.110" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9327" PostId="3735" Score="0" Text="OK. Could you please apply the &quot;regular&quot; close vote then? Thank you." CreationDate="2016-05-27T11:03:36.257" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="9331" PostId="3735" Score="0" Text="It's outvoted, I assume. Let it go." CreationDate="2016-05-27T15:26:35.947" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9329" PostId="3737" Score="1" Text="Thanks for this information.  Would adding light color to the background of one of them like I proposed [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/3733/325) help you, or does that just wash out for you?" CreationDate="2016-05-27T13:59:51.793" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9332" PostId="3737" Score="0" Text="grayscale looks like this: http://i.stack.imgur.com/UEbh4.png" CreationDate="2016-05-27T16:12:40.510" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9334" PostId="3737" Score="0" Text="You depend on a favicon to remind you which site you are on (rather than the URL for example, or the rather large &quot;THE WORKPLACE&quot; title near the top of each page)?" CreationDate="2016-05-28T02:15:13.713" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9336" PostId="3737" Score="0" Text="@gnat your grayscale is darker then the regular favicon is for me." CreationDate="2016-05-30T08:45:07.827" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="9337" PostId="3737" Score="0" Text="that's possible; I simply converted color images to grayscale using gimp tool" CreationDate="2016-05-30T08:47:34.433" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9338" PostId="3737" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere well when you jump from Workshop to puzzling useing the hnq yes, 90% of the designs of se washes out for me and headers in General don't Pop out for me." CreationDate="2016-05-30T11:15:32.687" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="9339" PostId="3737" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio well honestly the other suggestions made on the puzzling meta would help. my mind just jumps to Workshop and for others it might be the otherway around. It is quite puzzling how the logo represents them. (joke not intended)" CreationDate="2016-05-30T11:25:03.223" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="9347" PostId="3740" Score="0" Text="Agreed. It's buggy (at least in some browsers), unless that effect was the intent (unlikely)." CreationDate="2016-06-01T16:41:43.333" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9348" PostId="3740" Score="0" Text="Reproducible in FF/IE/Chrome for me so it does seem to be a CSS bug." CreationDate="2016-06-01T17:58:36.357" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9349" PostId="3742" Score="1" Text="Suggestion: put links in the about-you section of your profile?" CreationDate="2016-06-02T12:17:37.677" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9350" PostId="3742" Score="2" Text="@keshlam Isn't that a separate issue though? Joe's asking about linking from a question and either the link is relevant to the post and should be featured there or it doesn't deserve to be included. Or are you suggesting linking from the profile to avoid link building?" CreationDate="2016-06-02T12:27:32.757" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9358" PostId="3743" Score="1" Text="Keep in mind that [voting is different on meta.](http://stackoverflow.com/help/whats-meta)" CreationDate="2016-06-03T10:53:49.363" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9359" PostId="3743" Score="1" Text="Anyhow, technically it is not possible to split this reason up. Sites only get a few custom close reasons and choices have to be made. This has been brought up on meta quite a few times before." CreationDate="2016-06-03T10:54:44.070" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9394" PostId="3743" Score="0" Text="Voting to close - too opinionated." CreationDate="2016-06-06T16:08:01.297" UserId="40650" />
  <row Id="16198" PostId="3743" Score="0" Text="Strange, in regards to that question, it is obvious without needing a lawyer that the company cannot sue you for leaving with appropriate notice and then blame you for the company closing. A simple answer to that would be, &quot;by the UK general standards of employment, as an employee and not partner/ director, X Y Z...&quot; ...No fine-toothed legal inspection required. Colour me confused overall." CreationDate="2018-08-20T09:01:37.653" UserId="90305" />
  <row Id="16219" PostId="3743" Score="0" Text="@SaltySub I think my 'Added later' section explains the opinions of our American cousins. Because they work in 'at-will' jurisdictions, any legal question whose answer is more complicated than 'they can fire you any time, you have no rights' tends to get a close vote." CreationDate="2018-08-21T14:02:08.570" UserId="40650" />
  <row Id="16225" PostId="3743" Score="0" Text="@Resigned Actually 'at-will' US jurisdictions can be even more complicated than UK, Australia non-'at-will' jurisdictions. Because employers (not so much employees) can be sued for unrightful dismissal, for example... that's why companies will do retrenchments ('layoffs') as opposed walking up to a single person, saying, 'you're fired'! In some Asian countries it gets even weirder, both the employee or employer, if they don't want to serve the notice period the party has to pay the other party 'wages in lieu'. So I guess closing the question in light of jurisdictions is fair enough LOL." CreationDate="2018-08-22T09:39:55.857" UserId="90305" />
  <row Id="9360" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="While the original question could have been edited, it creates a bias in the answers. Your suggestion assumes that it is up to the OP to solve the first employer's problem. He is already providing that employer with plenty of notice - he's from the UK - where long notice periods are required. To be a good answer, it isn't necessary to suggest placating an unreasonable person." CreationDate="2016-06-03T16:42:59.080" UserId="40650" />
  <row Id="9392" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="@user19474 If you want to argue against a close reason for a specific question please don't try to smokescreen that by suggesting there is a general problem with this site's close templates." CreationDate="2016-06-04T14:35:35.420" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9393" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal No smokescreen. It's just that arguing abstractions tends to go nowhere. However, I have become convinced that I shall not be doing any convincing here, so the matter can rest." CreationDate="2016-06-06T16:06:25.963" UserId="40650" />
  <row Id="9396" PostId="3744" Score="0" Text="@Resigned - That was just an example I came up with on the fly. If you can think of a better way to edit the question to remove the questions of legality and help make it an on-topic question, I encourage you to do so. It would help the OP, as well as anyone else who may come upon that post who has a similar question. Hope this helps clarify." CreationDate="2016-06-07T09:29:15.293" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="9371" PostId="3745" Score="8" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because I'm pretty sure this guy is trolling us." CreationDate="2016-06-03T17:30:42.497" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="9381" PostId="3745" Score="0" Text="What even is trolling if a legitimate question counts as such. Like tears count as a pool of water." CreationDate="2016-06-03T18:08:45.763" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9382" PostId="3745" Score="4" Text="@AndreiROM I agree.  This joker has a habbit of trolling, then posting in here playing innocent." CreationDate="2016-06-03T18:12:40.830" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9383" PostId="3745" Score="0" Text="@RichardU What is trolling here? What are the rules? Just disagreement? I nearly died because of workplace decisions. I got angry. People here called it trolling." CreationDate="2016-06-03T18:15:11.827" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9386" PostId="3745" Score="6" Text="@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen We have a &quot;be nice policy&quot; here.  You are either deliberately trolling, or have extreme difficulty expressing yourself.  I suspect the former.  If I am wrong, I would suggest seeking assistance in improving your online conversational skills." CreationDate="2016-06-03T18:18:43.100" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9388" PostId="3745" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I like to fix things, people. Most people don't want to be fixed. Or rather they do, but they still hate it when you try." CreationDate="2016-06-03T18:29:57.527" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9389" PostId="3745" Score="9" Text="This is troll or someone with metal health issues.   He has used foul language in a few comments that have been deleted.   Moderators I hope you are considering a ban." CreationDate="2016-06-03T18:54:02.297" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="9390" PostId="3745" Score="2" Text="@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen This is the best definition I have found for  [Trolling](http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=6&amp;fid=10293504&amp;jid=APA&amp;volumeId=-1&amp;issueId=-1&amp;aid=10293503&amp;bodyId=&amp;membershipNumber=&amp;societyETOCSession=&amp;fulltextType=RA&amp;fileId=S2053447716000099)" CreationDate="2016-06-03T20:02:17.870" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9362" PostId="3746" Score="0" Text="Yet all comments are true. At least, all from me. If other people lie should I be responsible? Also the question is true; can a true thing be unrealistic?" CreationDate="2016-06-03T16:43:51.700" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9363" PostId="3746" Score="4" Text="I don't believe you.  Companies fire you then try and rehire at less under a phony name?    Most assertions are just plain unbelievable.  They don't want to accept your changes as they are afraid you will take control of the company?" CreationDate="2016-06-03T16:49:47.983" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="9364" PostId="3746" Score="0" Text="yet it did happen. You changed the answer to pretend. Pretending is impossible. The past always exists." CreationDate="2016-06-03T16:50:11.747" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9365" PostId="3746" Score="6" Text="I don't believe your stories." CreationDate="2016-06-03T16:51:54.763" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="9366" PostId="3746" Score="0" Text="they are true. Are yours?" CreationDate="2016-06-03T16:52:23.537" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9367" PostId="3746" Score="0" Text="I changed &quot;have&quot; to &quot;had&quot;.   Anyone can see the edit history.   Yes the past always exists - recollection of the past is another thing." CreationDate="2016-06-03T16:56:27.293" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="9368" PostId="3746" Score="1" Text="Can only hope you are trolling.  Signing off." CreationDate="2016-06-03T16:57:17.060" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="9369" PostId="3746" Score="0" Text="A troll is a false face @Paparazzi. You can find no such here." CreationDate="2016-06-03T17:00:18.450" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9370" PostId="3746" Score="1" Text="That is your real face is about the only thing I believe from you.  There is a be nice policy and this is going no where.   I cannot be both nice and honest with you." CreationDate="2016-06-03T17:03:06.123" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="9384" PostId="3746" Score="5" Text="@PeterDavidCarter-Poulsen I do not find you to be sincere.  Perhaps you have difficulty expressing yourself, but I do not think that is the case.  If I am wrong, then you should seek aid in improving that skill." CreationDate="2016-06-03T18:15:32.630" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9373" PostId="3747" Score="0" Text="It happened. You think... what you like. It still occurred." CreationDate="2016-06-03T17:39:07.477" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9374" PostId="3747" Score="4" Text="See, this is what I mean. You're not a character in a Shakespeare play. Please express whatever it is you have to say clearly, and concisely." CreationDate="2016-06-03T17:39:55.417" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="9375" PostId="3747" Score="0" Text="&quot;a situation which is borderline fantasy,&quot; Yet it happened. Why make me pretend. I say the truth. People here ask me to lie. I refuse." CreationDate="2016-06-03T17:40:56.690" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="9376" PostId="3747" Score="7" Text="No one is asking you to lie - on the contrary. they're asking for the full picture. At this point my understanding of the situation is that you seek to start some kind of worker's revolution in every workplace that hires you. Maybe those workplaces are truly horrible, it's really besides the point.The question you finally ending up asking - and I answered - was all that was truly necessary for your main post. Instead, you initiated a whole conversation about yourself through vague explanations which resulted in a lot of frustration and misunderstandings." CreationDate="2016-06-03T17:50:03.203" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="9380" PostId="3748" Score="0" Text="We've had questions about remote workers interacting with one another before. Ask away :)" CreationDate="2016-06-03T18:05:06.340" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="9391" PostId="3748" Score="0" Text="Suggest you retitle this to &quot;remote (only)&quot; positions which is what I think these are more commonly referred to as." CreationDate="2016-06-04T14:32:11.933" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9398" PostId="3748" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal yeah, the current title sounds like it's about dating." CreationDate="2016-06-08T18:38:17.400" UserId="18463" />
  <row Id="9407" PostId="3754" Score="0" Text="I just cast a 5th reopen vote (it had 4, so mine counted as a single vote) on the question." CreationDate="2016-06-14T14:36:39.170" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9400" PostId="3755" Score="0" Text="Are you sure we're talking about the same post?  This one is not about a job offer, but someone walking into a situation where they have to learn fast and are feeling like an imposter.  Nobody has, to my knowledge called anyone a jerk, yet.  As for precedents, nobody needs one to whine as that precedent has been set long ago.  IT is a fairly unique field in many ways as it is constantly shifting and changing.  Quite frankly, a mechanic, for example, isn't having HIS tools changing every ten minutes or being told to work on a type of vehicle that didn't exist five years ago." CreationDate="2016-06-13T17:40:13.093" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9401" PostId="3755" Score="0" Text="@RichardU A mechanic might be a bad example, as with electronics dominating the car market right now they are forced to change tools quite often compared to a decade ago. A better example would be a carpenter, workbenches today vary only slightly from those used centuries ago." CreationDate="2016-06-13T18:34:53.340" UserId="32778" />
  <row Id="9402" PostId="3755" Score="0" Text="@Reaces my brother is an aircraft mechanic, even his field hasn't changed as much as mine, not by several orders of magnitude" CreationDate="2016-06-13T19:29:18.253" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9403" PostId="3755" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Which makes sense, aircraft have a much longer life-cycle than cars. And there are a lot fewer models, and fewer people who service multiple models. When you said mechanic I immediately thought car mechanic." CreationDate="2016-06-13T19:36:12.340" UserId="32778" />
  <row Id="9404" PostId="3755" Score="0" Text="@Reaces neither have changed that much in 50 years, where we've gone from vacuum tubes to microchips, to the internet with integrated technology." CreationDate="2016-06-13T19:50:51.280" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9405" PostId="3755" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Hmm, interesting. I posted 2 links in my answer which lead to that question, and you still have doubts whether I am referring to the same question? I know what the situation is, but nonetheless, the question is still, &quot;should I continue this job or should I quit?&quot;. Shoehorning a &quot;how should I decide?&quot; doesn't change anything, IMHO. The point about &quot;which job to take&quot; was just to emphasise why such shoehorning sets a bad precedent. Anyway, it is not the goal of my life to keep that question closed. If you guys want to reopen it, then do so." CreationDate="2016-06-14T00:33:43.183" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9406" PostId="3755" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Sorry.  I misunderstood." CreationDate="2016-06-14T12:14:18.653" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9409" PostId="3757" Score="3" Text="It fits the &quot;maintaining employment part&quot;. In SoftEng, it is common to see easter eggs, but the tendency tends to decrease lately, due to a lot of factors. This question has some interesting consequences, which are interesting. The problem is to word it properly, so the impact of that kind of question will not be bad for the workplace website." CreationDate="2016-06-16T07:28:15.703" UserId="51195" />
  <row Id="9408" PostId="3758" Score="0" Text="I suppose, it might be because your question was not really clear for a lot of people. Wording it differently might cause the reopening." CreationDate="2016-06-16T07:25:32.013" UserId="51195" />
  <row Id="9411" PostId="3758" Score="0" Text="I've edited your question again (see comment there) and voted to reopen." CreationDate="2016-06-16T08:27:24.917" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9412" PostId="3758" Score="0" Text="I put in the 5th reopen vote.  You are back in business." CreationDate="2016-06-17T17:49:55.393" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9410" PostId="3759" Score="0" Text="Ok. I will rewrite the question header to match the idea behind this commend and will notify for reopening." CreationDate="2016-06-16T07:51:23.733" UserId="13306" />
  <row Id="9413" PostId="3761" Score="1" Text="&quot;Does The Workplace must have an accepted answer?&quot; - no. Lots of questions clearly have no accepted answer." CreationDate="2016-06-20T16:50:00.627" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="9414" PostId="3762" Score="0" Text="Thank you, I wasn't sure if rules were different or equal between SE sites, I appreciate the link." CreationDate="2016-06-20T16:54:21.310" UserId="46494" />
  <row Id="9415" PostId="3762" Score="5" Text="Aside from accepting an answer, I'd encourage people to provide an update on how the situation resolved itself as an edit to their question. A few short lines on what you decided to do and how everything worked out can be very valuable and provide a sense of closure that questions often lack, particularly on the Workplace." CreationDate="2016-06-20T18:10:47.537" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9416" PostId="3762" Score="2" Text="All I would add is to give it a day or so before accepting. You may may get answers with a new perspective that might change your mind from your initial decision." CreationDate="2016-06-21T12:56:36.270" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="9418" PostId="3763" Score="0" Text="It's actually [tied](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/68209/how-best-to-demonstrate-that-as-a-software-developer-you-make-the-company-money) at the moment." CreationDate="2016-06-22T06:32:56.240" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9420" PostId="3763" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal not anymore.  Out of curiosity, if David K gets the 20 votes needed to get the Reversal Badge, and then the question gets deleted. does he keep the badge?" CreationDate="2016-06-22T10:12:05.543" UserId="50529" />
  <row Id="9421" PostId="3763" Score="0" Text="@Anketam [Signs](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/88709/the-lost-worlds-of-the-reversal-badge) point to yes, though it means you won't earn another reversal badge if you qualify as the system considers you have &quot;one more than you should&quot;." CreationDate="2016-06-22T10:27:58.890" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9424" PostId="3763" Score="2" Text="Actually, it is not about the workplace, it is about family relationships.  The title really should be &quot;How can I get a family member fired?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-06-22T21:36:54.297" UserId="544" />
  <row Id="9452" PostId="3763" Score="0" Text="@Anketam Yes, you keep badges earned for deleted content." CreationDate="2016-06-29T17:48:14.540" UserId="3188" />
  <row Id="9422" PostId="3764" Score="0" Text="Arguably, the question itself violates the &quot;be nice&quot; policy, even it it wants to be rude to someone not p present. I really see no value to the community or future readers in saying much more than &quot;stupid idea, find another way to resolve your issue&quot;... and it isn't clear that has enough value to be worth retaining. If the x/y was unwrapped so we could discuss how to solve the real issue, that might be a different kettle of worms." CreationDate="2016-06-22T18:36:12.610" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9432" PostId="3764" Score="2" Text="@keshlam Pretty much. While &quot;be nice&quot; only applies to on-site interaction and we don't actually have a &quot;don't be an ass IRL&quot; policy, I think the site community should be able to use the tools they have to identify questions that do not fit the spirit of the site. Professionalism, respect and sane management are a big part of our site identity." CreationDate="2016-06-23T08:03:23.920" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9433" PostId="3765" Score="1" Text="I brought up the language as a last point because I considered it the proverbial nail in the coffin. I'm happy to edit poorly written questions that have value or where the OP struggled with a foreign language. I'm happy to work with an OP to salvage a question that they obviously put effort into. I'm typically not prepared to spend that kind of time on off-topic questions where the OP basically vomited his thought on the screen and walked away." CreationDate="2016-06-23T08:05:34.483" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9434" PostId="3765" Score="1" Text="As for the first two points, this site's main focus is about professionalism in a workplace, which involves an ethical component. Sure, we could answer &quot;don't do this&quot; in a million different ways but that's only harvesting cheap rep, as we so often see with 2-sentence answers to &quot;inappropriate&quot; questions. Answers should match the question being asked so if you wanted to answer &quot;Here's why you shouldn't do X&quot; then the question should be &quot;Should I try to get my friend to lose his job?&quot; not &quot;How do I make my friend lose his job?&quot;." CreationDate="2016-06-23T08:09:04.070" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9435" PostId="3765" Score="1" Text="The question should either have been edited right away to something answerable or it should have been closed. I'm frankly baffled that it's now on 3 reopen votes with no one taking the time to edit the question if they consider it valid. If it does get reopened in its current state it will likely be closed again shortly after." CreationDate="2016-06-23T08:10:11.367" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9423" PostId="3766" Score="3" Text="This doesn't answer your actual question, but I don't believe that question would be considered off-topic. It falls under the category of being legal, but something that your typical HR person should know the answer to. See [this Meta answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1861/16983) for more discussion on the topic of how much 'legal' is allowable." CreationDate="2016-06-22T18:43:02.963" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9425" PostId="3766" Score="0" Text="Turnabout is fair play. I had this happen to a question I considered off-topic a few months ago. :) Suffice to say that I wouldn't put a bounty on a question I'd consider off-topic and I'm basing that on the meta answer @DavidK linked." CreationDate="2016-06-22T22:00:22.333" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9436" PostId="3766" Score="0" Text="Fully agree with David K, a competent local HR manager would be able to answer this without consulting their lawyer.  If only the community would uphold the same standards when local≠US." CreationDate="2016-06-23T14:37:02.850" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="9426" PostId="3768" Score="0" Text="Did you already flag the question for moderator attention?" CreationDate="2016-06-22T22:01:49.530" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9427" PostId="3768" Score="2" Text="Possible duplicate of [How should we handle work sensitive questions?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/139/how-should-we-handle-work-sensitive-questions)" CreationDate="2016-06-22T22:30:25.940" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9428" PostId="3768" Score="0" Text="@gnat I don't see how that's a dupe.  This asks how to disassociate; that asks how careful one should be." CreationDate="2016-06-23T02:09:44.373" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9429" PostId="3768" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio check [the answer](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/143/168) over there: &quot;You can ask Stack Exchange to disassociate the question from your account...&quot;" CreationDate="2016-06-23T02:12:30.143" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9430" PostId="3768" Score="1" Text="But we evaluate duplicates based on the *question*, not on the *answers*." CreationDate="2016-06-23T02:14:02.997" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9431" PostId="3768" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio that's not how I read [MSE guidance](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/166707): _&quot;if the other question helps them, they're happy because they got an answer... this is subtly different from saying &quot;If that other question isn't asking the exact same thing as yours...&quot; That's because **the proof is in the answers**...  we now indicate &quot;This question already has an answer here&quot;... The fundamental goal of dupes is to help people find the right answer by getting all of the answers in one place... much better experience for the asker and the Googler **who just want to find an answer**.&quot;_" CreationDate="2016-06-23T02:24:19.167" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9454" PostId="3768" Score="2" Text="In this case, both the question __AND__ answers on the &quot;possible duplicate&quot; don't apply here so the distinction doesn't really matter." CreationDate="2016-06-29T18:51:20.160" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9459" PostId="3768" Score="1" Text="Now you have to have this question disassociated too!  I would create another meta question to delete you from this question :)" CreationDate="2016-07-01T20:02:04.763" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9437" PostId="3771" Score="3" Text="Can you link to some specific examples where you think the answer was unhelpful?" CreationDate="2016-06-23T16:21:51.047" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9438" PostId="3771" Score="0" Text="Also, for more discussion on whether &quot;just quit&quot; is a good answer, check out [this meta question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1692/is-quit-your-job-an-acceptable-answer)" CreationDate="2016-06-23T16:22:20.877" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9439" PostId="3771" Score="0" Text="@DavidK it's more often comments than answers, but I'll try and dig a few up. Most recently my own question had a few of those as comments, but I didn't want to make meta-waves by linking it." CreationDate="2016-06-23T16:28:13.847" UserId="18793" />
  <row Id="9440" PostId="3771" Score="0" Text="one example: a supervisor asking about how to help his subordinate: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/63698/training-a-team-member-to-be-less-conflict-avoidant-and-more-assertive/63709#63709" CreationDate="2016-06-23T16:33:58.777" UserId="18793" />
  <row Id="9441" PostId="3771" Score="2" Text="Well, that one has a negative score, so I would say it isn't useful, and if you look at the comments, the author has also changed his mind." CreationDate="2016-06-23T16:49:11.237" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9442" PostId="3771" Score="1" Text="[Here's another example](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/70234/16983), where the OP is asking about enforcing company policy for a colleague (not subordinate). The answer happens to be from the same user, but in that case I would say &quot;It's not your job&quot; is an appropriate response." CreationDate="2016-06-23T16:53:26.260" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9455" PostId="3771" Score="0" Text="The point of comments it to elicit more information or clarification.  If in fact it is the posters job they should clarify that.  Often people come here looking for help in changing the behavior/expectations of their coworkers whom they are not responsible for.  Sometimes reminding people that they need to let their manager manage is the right answer" CreationDate="2016-06-29T19:46:21.740" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9457" PostId="3771" Score="0" Text="Not sure what upvoting means in regard to this question, especially since you phrased an either / or at the end, but hey, I upvoted all the same!" CreationDate="2016-06-30T02:39:29.543" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="9443" PostId="3772" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the answer, but please understand I'm not in any way complaining about (or attempting to draw attention to) a particular user. It was the first example I found while searching, otherwise unrelated." CreationDate="2016-06-24T10:55:22.273" UserId="18793" />
  <row Id="9444" PostId="3772" Score="0" Text="@jammypeach I think you used a prime example, an archetypical one if you would find." CreationDate="2016-06-24T11:58:22.143" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9448" PostId="3772" Score="2" Text="It's even more true on workplace.SE, depending on the people you're facing, one gentle answer will fail where the terse one will work. However it's better to always start with the gentle approach i guess." CreationDate="2016-06-27T09:41:09.077" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9559" PostId="3772" Score="1" Text="I think, at the very least, *saying* whether or not a terse response is what should be given should be the bare minimum for giving it as an answer.  And even then, it would be better to explain *why* a terse answer is the best way to go as well." CreationDate="2016-07-08T17:04:12.373" UserId="16504" />
  <row Id="9445" PostId="3775" Score="2" Text="I think your tone aggravates some people on here.  Not me, of course.  I appreciate people who speak their minds.  You go for a blunt response and you don't sugar coat things to save feelings." CreationDate="2016-06-24T12:02:43.490" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9447" PostId="3775" Score="1" Text="@RichardU I'm old and my English isn't great, so short, to-the-point answers. But the OP isn't complaining about me specifically." CreationDate="2016-06-25T01:45:19.947" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9449" PostId="3775" Score="5" Text="Your English is better than many who speak it natively.  I like your short and to the point answers.  I think we need more, not less of that." CreationDate="2016-06-27T12:10:32.103" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9458" PostId="3776" Score="1" Text="Maybe &quot;Just Grow Up&quot; would be more correct, and to the point? I will try using that as my standard answer..." CreationDate="2016-06-30T02:43:20.547" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="10489" PostId="3777" Score="0" Text="I have now voted to close that question as &quot;Unclear what you're asking&quot;, because ... uhm, I don't get what his issue is, and the description doesn't even match the title." CreationDate="2016-11-08T04:29:05.843" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9523" PostId="3778" Score="0" Text="And it's really a duplicate of how to deal with an apparent mis-statement by any other co-worker. Either ask them about it (if your relationship with the manager permits that; mine usually have), preferably in the form of a question rather than challenge (as discussed elsewhere), or let it go. And consider that an oversimplified answer is not necessarily the wrong answer depending on the audience's needs." CreationDate="2016-07-06T14:28:25.040" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9456" PostId="3779" Score="0" Text="Great idea! I love it." CreationDate="2016-06-30T02:15:36.173" UserDisplayName="user37746" />
  <row Id="9460" PostId="3781" Score="2" Text="I agreed with you back then, I agree with you now. Moderators here are *totally* unbiased as in &quot;it isn't bias when we do it&quot;. Being an SE (or SO?) employee is rumored to come with this unwritten perk: rules can be bent to suit your actions. For instance, look [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3160/what-right-do-mods-have-in-reconstructing-my-answers-and-comments/3165#comment7220_3165), the great Shog9 justifies chopping several paragraphs from an answer by &quot;we are not hosting an open discussion forum&quot;. (Wait, what? Over a year later, it still doesn't make sense.)" CreationDate="2016-07-03T14:39:33.320" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9461" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - The great Shog9 was the one that called me a fool in an answer in meta.  What is sad is that 20+ SE employees then go to that meta question and upvote his answer.  Literally one answer on a meta and the onslaught of employee upvotes and they lost a million+ contract.  I just can't imagine being responsible for bringing that type of vendor behavior to my work - and the SE people know I run a large tech group for a large multinational - I have seen a few of their employees hit my linkedin.  Its not just the bias but how they handle it." CreationDate="2016-07-03T17:32:14.720" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9462" PostId="3781" Score="3" Text="Do you have actual proof that &quot;20+ SE employees then go to that meta and upvote his answer&quot;? If so, that's not appropriate behaviour and should probably be escalated to Jeff and Joel." CreationDate="2016-07-03T19:18:31.167" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="9463" PostId="3781" Score="2" Text="@PhilipKendall - What other explanation would there be?  It got the upvotes almost instantly.   The only comments left were generally negative of the answer - by actual users.  Does workplace meta have so much activity that there is any other explanation?  In general on all of the discussion around that and similar questions there were NO normal users that agreed with the mod/employee answers yet they are always heavily upvoted." CreationDate="2016-07-03T19:55:31.787" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9467" PostId="3781" Score="7" Text="For avoidance of doubt, I *entirely disagree* with any suggestion that &quot;votes don't count without a comment&quot; or anything similar. Voting is *deliberately* anonymous SE. You don't get to make the rules here." CreationDate="2016-07-04T06:02:29.200" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="9468" PostId="3781" Score="1" Text="@PhilipKendall - No they don't count.  Because the question/answers should be about the community not the SE employees and mods from other sites.  This meta in general gets little to no traffic except for these types of questions, and then of course we see a spike in voting - always agreeing with the mods... but nobody ever comments agreeing with the mods.  Someone at SE might as well be sitting there with a counter - as far as I am concerned.  I agree with you on 99.9% of questions but this is specifically looking for input not from the mods or employees." CreationDate="2016-07-04T06:52:25.437" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9469" PostId="3781" Score="8" Text="**If you have serious issues to raise, I suggest you do so in a serious manner.** This wall of text lamenting the mods and digging up past slights is not the way to do so. Not many people are going to dig through something this chaotic and rambling. The mods are human and I wouldn't be surprised if they occasional handle things poorly in the eyes of some. If you want to bring to light a systemic problem then you can do so rationally and without inserting this much bias. I think you've ruined any chance of a reasonable discussion here." CreationDate="2016-07-04T06:57:07.197" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9471" PostId="3781" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - downvote it, don't read it.  Another mod trying to censor." CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:05:23.947" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9475" PostId="3781" Score="3" Text="@blankip I'm sorry? I did read your post and I'm not a mod." CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:18:03.820" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9478" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - So you read it, **then give tips on how you would bring it up in a serious manner - very specific tips.**   So to bring it up in a serious way I am not supposed to bring up the full history of their actions?  I just get to bring up things in a small window?  Enlighten me on your rules of what is allowed to be brought up." CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:27:58.520" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9479" PostId="3781" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - And no, they never handle anything poorly.  Because after you bring something up the mods and employees gang up on you, harass you, call you names, and suspend you.  So obviously they are right and you are wrong.  If someone even thought that something was handled poorly their would be a glimpse of discussion and possibly even an apology or even slight notice that &quot;I could have been wrong&quot;.  But as far as I am concerned - never have seen it here.   So if the mods have always been right, then why would they care if something in the past was brought up?" CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:31:32.007" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9480" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - Also I think since you so blatantly pointed out you are not a mod you should let us know about your affiliation with SE.  It seems that you were doing an awful lot of mod type things, even here on meta the past year.  I find it kind of hilarious that you go out of your way to try to censor my question as a &quot;wall of text&quot; yet you have some of the longest answers on the site.  Please tell us how a joe-average-user does mod type tasks?" CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:46:36.117" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9481" PostId="3781" Score="7" Text="Are you being intentionally dense? I'm not saying that you're not &quot;allowed to bring this up&quot;. I'm saying that you're not doing so properly. Every post and comment you've made here is just vitriolic stream of consciousness writing. You're coming across as a fool or half-hearted troll at best. You're on the Workplace. If you can't make your point in a professional manner perhaps this site doesn't suit you.&#xA;Now, as for your more recent comment: do you even read what you're writing here? I'm not censoring anyone. I'm not affiliated with SE." CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:57:42.347" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9482" PostId="3781" Score="9" Text="I'm pointing out that your efforts to 'fight the system' are doomed from the start because of the poor way you raise or discuss them. Your remark on the length of my answers would be an ad hominem even if the comparison held water. And your reference to &quot;mod type tasks&quot; confirms that you have no clue how SE works. *The community is supposed to participate*, which is what I'm doing here. Mods are glorified janitors and their diamond doesn't make them any more qualified to address site culture: the fact that they're established users and contributors does that." CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:57:49.410" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9485" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - I see that you got some ticks on your comments from mods and employees - expected.  I don't care about your opinion or comments until you share with everyone your affiliation with SE.  Thanks.  And dense?   Have you read your stuff?" CreationDate="2016-07-04T18:26:26.477" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9491" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - Is this now the third time I am asking... please share your affiliation with SE?    Until you do so I am going to assume you are an employee." CreationDate="2016-07-05T14:57:18.200" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9493" PostId="3781" Score="5" Text="@blankip You are free to assume whatever you want. I've clearly stated that I am not affiliated in any way with SE and I can't prove a negative. At this point I'm going to conclude that you have no real argument to make here so I'll leave you to your fantasies." CreationDate="2016-07-05T18:08:45.360" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9494" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - if you are not affiliated with SE or a mod I find this EXTREMELY hard to believe.  Your presence on Meta and the site is almost like you are a clone of the current mods and your interactions on Meta suggest that you have a relationship with the mods.  Do we need to create a Meta question to discuss this.   Couple that with the fact that this is the only site you have posted on I find your statements very hard to believe.  Therefore since you exhibit behaviors in which you act like a mod I will treat you like a mod/employee - you can ignore this question.  Thanks." CreationDate="2016-07-05T18:15:58.313" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9496" PostId="3781" Score="2" Text="If you agree with teh mods, you must be one of them. Confess, @Lilienthal!" CreationDate="2016-07-05T19:25:46.227" UserId="1236" />
  <row Id="9499" PostId="3781" Score="3" Text="This is getting ridiculous. First, your vote doesn't count unless you comment. If you do comment, you get accused of being a Stack Exchange plant. If you say you're not, you get told that you are and because you agree with the mods, your vote doesn't count. It's obvious that you're only to going to &quot;accept&quot; any views which agree with your own - personally, I'd suggest it's time for you to take a break from the site as I can't see how you're going to get any enjoyment out of it. But despite the accusation that I'm sure is coming, I don't have any ability to enforce that so it's in your hands." CreationDate="2016-07-05T20:33:06.503" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="9500" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@PhilipKendall - why would a normal user do admin type tasks?  Also why would comments disagreeing with a normal user be wiped so quickly as with ones disagreeing with Lilienthal's?  You have been on the site.  If you disagree with a mod via comment it is gone in no time - the only regular user this happens with too is Lillienthal - two examples today if you would like me to post that in a Meta.  Also really no use in worrying about someone who calls me a fool before discussing.  Of course I have been suspended for much less than calling someone a fool." CreationDate="2016-07-05T20:45:14.460" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9503" PostId="3781" Score="2" Text="@blankip: It's known as community spirit. If you don't understand the appeal of volunteering to try to make the site work more smoothly, you are ****really*** on the wrong website --  it's a basic assumption in SE's stated mission and design." CreationDate="2016-07-06T00:29:56.070" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9504" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@keshlam - Any time I write a comment disagreeing with a mod, the comment is soon poof, wiped in minutes - especially if it has upvotes.  The only other user this happens with is Lilienthal and it is super consistent - 2 in the past day.  Just because I don't beat around the bush doesn't make me anti-community nor does it make me wrong.   I call a frog a frog.  And there are lots of frogs around here." CreationDate="2016-07-06T01:19:30.613" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9506" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@keshlam - And this question isn't about the stuff in the comments above.  The question is about a pattern of very inconsistent behavior.  I am not crying about it.  Just poking at it - because it is so obvious.  It is sad that there are a only a few people that will bring it up other than me.  It is like we will be banished or sent away.  Maybe people care more about their fake identity than I do." CreationDate="2016-07-06T01:28:21.170" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9507" PostId="3781" Score="1" Text="@blankip: consider that the common factor in these instances may not be the mods -- especially as we've seen you may have been a bit confused about who here has any special status -- but that you're trying to fight battles already resolved, and &quot;let's you and him fight&quot; gets erased pretty quickly here.  If it hurts when you do that, you are probably doing it the wrong way." CreationDate="2016-07-06T01:28:43.183" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9508" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="Hate to admit I'm considering writing a plonk plugin..." CreationDate="2016-07-06T01:30:01.070" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9509" PostId="3781" Score="0" Text="@keshlam - sure things get erased.  Don't care.  But they get erased at a very inconsistent rate depending on if you conflict with mod or not.  Again don't care but an obvious observation can be made.  Yes comments will get cleaned up, but rather slowly if mods agree with comment.  Not really talking about people fighting or whatever." CreationDate="2016-07-06T01:34:41.340" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9529" PostId="3781" Score="1" Text="Hookay. I just cleaned up some comments here that weren't really adding anything. It's easy for these sorts of discussions to become personal, in those cases it's probably best to not post comments if you can't do so without [needing to be right](http://xkcd.com/386/). I'm also going to lock this as at this point I think it's run its course and there isn't any value in continuing the discussion here. If anyone feels there are further issues needing to be discussed regarding this topic, go ahead and open another meta post." CreationDate="2016-07-06T16:01:36.840" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9464" PostId="3782" Score="2" Text="I appreciate your answer.  I don't think there is a conspiracy theory.  I don't think there is a mod confederation out to get me.  I simply think the mods on this site have done some very very questionable things.  Then instead of talking about it rationally other mods and employees jump in and defent the mod's incorrect point and belittle users - it is that behavior that is more worrisome (to at least me) than how biased I believe they are.     cont..." CreationDate="2016-07-04T00:29:21.323" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9465" PostId="3782" Score="2" Text="And it is not a tolerant community.  The mods tolerate what they want and throw away what they want.  You mention that it isn't systematic - IT IS EXACTLY THAT.  It is the same reaction over and over and over.  Your answer and words really mean nothing because it is the actions that really matter.  You can say you are fair and try and that you don't team up, but actions and history say the exact opposite.  Again the answer lays there in sexism with no sources when mine with credible sources was deleted.  ACTIONS not words." CreationDate="2016-07-04T00:34:39.263" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9466" PostId="3782" Score="1" Text="Also at the top of your answer why don't you ask people who vote for or against your answer to simply leave a comment.  I would like to see how many non-mod/employees agree with you.  I would say any upvotes you get without a comment are crap - we all know how the meta voting goes on questions like this." CreationDate="2016-07-04T00:37:04.610" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9470" PostId="3782" Score="1" Text="-1 from me for this &quot;You have said that you feel there is bias of Muslim &gt; Women &gt; Men&quot;.   I did not say this was the bias - the mods have proven it through their actions.  Please find any proof contradictory.  Also what does people == tolerance mean?  Does that mean we should tolerate people who do bad things?  Does SE tolerate ISIS (serious question)?  As the answer is edited more and more it says less.  I am sure anyone could decode what the phrase people == tolerance means.  Obviously the mods here aren't tolerant or they wouldn't delete things based on their views." CreationDate="2016-07-04T06:58:33.580" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9484" PostId="3782" Score="1" Text="@blankip I've updated my answer to try to clarify what I mean by &quot;tolerance&quot;.  I might have rambled a bit in some places, and also probably missed lots of other things, but I hope that it helps to get the idea :)" CreationDate="2016-07-04T09:31:50.833" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="9486" PostId="3782" Score="0" Text="I have never had a problem with your personally Jane.  Out of all of the mods you are probably the one that will engage in dialogue and have a conversation.  But I think you need to recognize that there at the very least is &quot;corrupt looking&quot; behavior.  Seriously why would I write this question.  I didn't even write an answer for the question.  I am just a bystander watching a community being manipulated.  People are upset at me because I recognize the behavioral issues.  I did not have any personal beef with what happened - no one slapped my wrist." CreationDate="2016-07-04T18:33:35.807" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9487" PostId="3782" Score="0" Text="And Jane probably the **biggest issue I have with your answer**.  Is that I know it has a few downvotes - which means it has at least 8-10 upvotes.  So here we go again.  A question about mod behavioral all of a sudden has an answer defending the mods - and **the answer has an inordinate amount of upvotes in relation to what a normal answer would have in Workplace Meta**.  Since no one has left one comment defending your answer every Workplace community member has to assume that these are mods/employees.  Don't you see the issue?" CreationDate="2016-07-04T18:37:09.777" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9489" PostId="3782" Score="13" Text="Maybe the community just doesn't want to play your &quot;you must comment when voting&quot; games? And even if it *were* only them voting - what are they supposed to do? Herd other users to this question at gunpoint?" CreationDate="2016-07-04T22:43:22.030" UserId="1236" />
  <row Id="9490" PostId="3782" Score="0" Text="@Pekka웃 - Then we don't know they are part of the actual community.   Let me know of another way around making sure that voters are part of the community and its not just mods/employees rigging things?  Also not asking for people to be herded here - asking for votes from people in this community." CreationDate="2016-07-05T14:56:08.427" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9492" PostId="3782" Score="0" Text="I appreciate your extra comments on your answer.  At least you are willing to put your name next to something.  On the idea of mods/employees they are one in the same.  Mods are representatives of SE, just not paid.  If a mod did not represent according to SE standards, they wouldn't be a mod.    Also you have turned my question into a witch hunt on HLGEM's answer, which it is not.  My question is derived from the mods having different standards of what bias is based on their personal beliefs.  I believe the mods are sexist/racist in their actions so I wrote the question." CreationDate="2016-07-05T15:03:23.407" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9558" PostId="3782" Score="0" Text="+1 for a good answer from a solid viewpoint, even though I disagree with half of it" CreationDate="2016-07-08T05:05:27.283" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9472" PostId="3783" Score="1" Text="You've been here a fair bit longer than I have so I'm inclined to trust your experience but I'm not sure I've seen much evidence of the &quot;circle the wagons&quot; mentality you describe. But maybe I've been avoiding these kinds of threads." CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:09:46.387" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9473" PostId="3783" Score="1" Text="The first red flag that I noticed within a few weeks of being a member on the site was the comments being deleted all the time - well it was actually the comments that are left.  Very very very often I see a question that has a bunch of comments that are upvoted.  Then they do their comment sweep.  But they leave other mod comments that are upvoted heavily or comments that support their answers.  Please tell me I am not the only person seeing this - almost daily?  Now they get to go back and forth on what is racist/sexist/biased?  And they all agree like they are one robot..." CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:13:34.250" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9474" PostId="3783" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal: This happened many times in the early days when we were shaping this community. I don't remember the last time when I really thought that a minority opinion deserved more weight, so perhaps things have changed." CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:13:58.863" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="9476" PostId="3783" Score="0" Text="Well if this happen really early whe Workplace was still being shaped, it was probably to set up a clear way about how things works in Workplace.SE. You don't start something by having the most important protagonist going in all ways." CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:19:01.490" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9477" PostId="3783" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat: When you start something, things are volatile. Decisions haven't been cemented yet. On the other hand, when things have been agreed upon, the community should keep a united front and be willing to try things, even if for just a short duration." CreationDate="2016-07-04T07:23:33.253" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="9483" PostId="3783" Score="6" Text="@JimG. That makes sense, though I want to point out that people being of like mind about a topic or (re)acting similarly isn't necessarily a case of groupthink. The scientific community can laugh away the conspiracy nut with the 500-page manifesto proclaiming a flat earth because &quot;space is a lie&quot; without having the same hostile reaction to a well-reasoned paper that contradicts the status quo. I just feel like this thread is closer to the former than the latter and because of that it's unlikely to make for a useful examination of moderator behaviour." CreationDate="2016-07-04T08:48:11.273" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9488" PostId="3783" Score="1" Text="Jim look at the hits and voting patterns already.  What is funny is that the mods/employees either feel they are so above reproach that they don't even need to recognize your point of view or they simply don't get it.  But they went in and downvoted your answer and then displayed the exact behavior your answer explains by teaming up to upvote Jane's.   It is this comical behavior that lead me to write the question.  Do I care that much about their behavior... not really.  But I know that since they can't explain being unfair it makes good TV." CreationDate="2016-07-04T19:00:54.583" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9511" PostId="3783" Score="1" Text="Please list who you believe &quot;the mods/employees&quot; are, if you're going try to make that broad accusation. One can support the site's stated lines without being either, and sometimes despite disagreeing with those lines." CreationDate="2016-07-06T01:42:00.323" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9518" PostId="3783" Score="0" Text="@keshlam: Are you talking to me or blankip?" CreationDate="2016-07-06T11:28:34.520" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="9521" PostId="3783" Score="0" Text="Was directed to BlankIP, since there's strong evidence here of not understanding who moderators are and aren't, how they differ from other experienced users, what SE's relationships are with its users, how the SE crowdsource model is intended to work, and other basic contexts." CreationDate="2016-07-06T12:37:10.640" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9526" PostId="3783" Score="3" Text="`I have always detected a certain &quot;circle the wagons&quot; mentality from the mods on this board, and I'm not sure why` -- One thing to keep in mind is for nearly anything controversial or unclear, moderators here _never_ unilaterally act - we almost always discuss as a team prior to any &quot;public&quot; decisions. This means a lot of public facing posts about &quot;issues&quot; have been discussed prior to posting. Also, interesting and related: literally as I was typing this comment I got a ping about another question from one of the other moderators (unrelated to all this)." CreationDate="2016-07-06T15:13:38.687" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9495" PostId="3786" Score="3" Text="&quot;In my opinion, answers should never be deleted because they have an unpleasant viewpoint or tone. &quot; - agreed! I disagree that there is some sort of growing sense that misandry is cool though. IMHO, that's nothing more than a myth, at least in my part of the world." CreationDate="2016-07-05T19:17:27.490" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9497" PostId="3786" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere - It's (misandry) not a myth.  I've seen it.  I've experienced it.  However, I'm not so thin-skinned or myopic to think that the overall gender-bias isn't heavily tilted to the male side, so I generally write it off as, &quot;The world isn't fair, but it's not always unfair against me.&quot;  -  Not to imply you do, at all." CreationDate="2016-07-05T19:27:09.877" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="9505" PostId="3786" Score="2" Text="@WesleyLong - Nobody was dissing me.  I brought this up because I see it.  Not because it wrongs me or hurts me.  It is simply something that is there.  I am saying it is there, prove to me it isn't.   The comments that I am &quot;fighting the system&quot; are funny and maybe I shouldn't rile those people up but it is simply too much fun.   There are clearly biases involved when humans are involved, some are fun to point out because they are so inconsistent.   The mods know they are wrong that is why they asked HLGEM to provide sources and haven't whispered here.  Glad I don't work with these peeps." CreationDate="2016-07-06T01:25:22.623" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="9513" PostId="3786" Score="0" Text="Plus a million for this." CreationDate="2016-07-06T06:38:38.873" UserDisplayName="user41761" />
  <row Id="9522" PostId="3786" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere misandry is not a myth.  I too have seen and experienced it, I just go where it is not." CreationDate="2016-07-06T14:00:02.483" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9530" PostId="3786" Score="2" Text="I never said misandry was a myth. I said that a &quot;growing sense that misandry is cool&quot; is a myth. I see absolutely nothing to support a &quot;growing sense of coolness&quot;.." CreationDate="2016-07-06T19:10:41.097" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9531" PostId="3786" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/08/08/ironic_misandry_why_feminists_joke_about_drinking_male_tears_and_banning.html It may be &quot;ironic&quot; but that doesn't make it less hurtful. If you don't get the sense that more guys are getting frustrated by the tone of the conversation lately, we must run in really different circles." CreationDate="2016-07-06T20:09:11.067" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="9532" PostId="3786" Score="2" Text="@ColleenV - I'm certain we run in different circle. You chose to post an article from 2014 as evidence of &quot;lately&quot;." CreationDate="2016-07-06T20:14:42.007" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9537" PostId="3786" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Maybe when I think about societal trends, I think in time frames longer than 15 minutes ago. Regardless you don't see it, I do." CreationDate="2016-07-07T00:54:45.630" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="9557" PostId="3786" Score="0" Text="good answer, although I don't care much either way" CreationDate="2016-07-08T05:02:01.360" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9524" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="Other than [the obvious](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3781/here-we-go-again-certain-biases-are-ok-others-not), could you give some examples of where experienced have not &quot;got the message&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-07-06T14:34:03.243" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="9525" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="I do remember some past cases where we've had to explain that this is Q&amp;A rather than discussion, that text once contributed may be edited, and that if this isn't their idea of a good time they are probably in the wrong place. I don't have individual citations handy; can try to dig them out later. It just feels like an opportunity to build some fire cuts before the next flame comes thru." CreationDate="2016-07-06T14:40:40.770" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9527" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="I made a fairly significant edit to make this a bit to make it more generic and less of a reaction to recent events. I don't _think_ this changed your intent too much, if so, you know the drill -  go ahead and [edit] to clarify :-)" CreationDate="2016-07-06T15:30:50.817" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9528" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="That:s fine, @enderland. This wasn't a highly wordsmithed question, just a start for brainstorming to see if we can get folks to understand our model faster." CreationDate="2016-07-06T15:52:03.360" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9539" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="What, y'all don't have a ten page template file saved with stock responses and close reason explanations? :) But are you asking for something like that (i.e. more in-depth explanations of common actions) or for a model timeline of a moderation incident?" CreationDate="2016-07-07T10:44:07.083" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9543" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="I was thinking model timeline, but the built-in canned responses are often not a good fit..." CreationDate="2016-07-07T15:24:23.027" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9545" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="Somebody asked for examples: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3745/what-was-wrong-with-this-question" CreationDate="2016-07-07T19:29:25.693" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9546" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="Relevant: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/355/what-is-rude-on-the-workplace/356#356" CreationDate="2016-07-07T19:41:16.937" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9547" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="A lot of people (including myself) have expressed a concern about potential biases that each of us brings to the table.  I think any meaningful discussion on this topic should also acknowledge _that_ problem in the greater context of SE design principals." CreationDate="2016-07-07T19:48:44.433" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9548" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text=".... Perhaps, Lumberjack. On the other hand, some of that winds up being a mix of best judgement, elected moderators , discussion here on Meta when things seem to diverge from best practice ... and, in the end, accepting that no system managed by any one else will ever perfectly track how we woulda done it, and that's the trade-off we accept when using services such as SE." CreationDate="2016-07-07T19:51:51.197" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9549" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="Oh I don't disagree at all, but aren't you trying to manage the expectations of people new to the system?  It seems to me that addressing common complaints would be a good measure.  With that in mind, a case study or two or three might be just the vehicle to show people how the system is intended to work and how it can be successful when we use it properly." CreationDate="2016-07-07T19:53:47.853" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9550" PostId="3791" Score="0" Text="Good point, @lumberjack." CreationDate="2016-07-07T19:54:48.800" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9551" PostId="3794" Score="4" Text="I'd rather use a synthetic problem closely modelled on a past problem (possibly a composite, maybe not), just to avoid singling out specific actors and issues. I think." CreationDate="2016-07-07T21:06:50.667" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9552" PostId="3794" Score="0" Text="@keshlam Good point.  I will edit my answer." CreationDate="2016-07-07T21:09:12.427" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9562" PostId="3795" Score="1" Text="Just cast the last vote to reopen" CreationDate="2016-07-13T12:22:16.310" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9588" PostId="3796" Score="1" Text="Three negative votes?  Really?" CreationDate="2016-07-20T19:24:27.003" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9590" PostId="3796" Score="0" Text="@RichardU: Haters gonna hate." CreationDate="2016-07-20T19:39:49.647" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="9564" PostId="3798" Score="0" Text="No, it's just explaining risk, not about explaining a job function." CreationDate="2016-07-13T15:33:48.620" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9565" PostId="3798" Score="1" Text="Explaining the risk is the job function though.  I think it the question were more general rather than specifically about a risk of specific security threats it would be more on topic" CreationDate="2016-07-13T15:51:45.077" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9566" PostId="3798" Score="1" Text="If you split the hair any finer, you'd have fission.  This was a needless close" CreationDate="2016-07-13T17:22:50.777" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9569" PostId="3798" Score="4" Text="So if the security part were wrapped up in a big &quot;for example&quot;, that would change this for you?  I find that concrete examples help produce answers that aren't vague or fluffy, but that doesn't mean the question is only about the specific situation.  That was the spirit in which I answered it." CreationDate="2016-07-14T01:24:19.203" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9570" PostId="3798" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I did the same thing.  Explaining terms and situations to someone outside a given field is a skill that is important to have.  Queries on how to do so are important ones to answer." CreationDate="2016-07-14T13:22:32.940" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9571" PostId="3798" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - Once you lose the context though I think it becomes too broad.  Which is why I did not edit the question to do something like that in the first place. This really belongs with IT Security SE more than here.  But that is my opinion." CreationDate="2016-07-14T16:13:26.770" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9572" PostId="3798" Score="0" Text="@RichardU - I agree it is an important job function skill.  It is not about navigating the workplace but performing your job duties.  How an IT Security person does that is different than how a suport person does that is different from how a sales guy does that is different than how a Business guy does that, etc." CreationDate="2016-07-14T16:17:50.883" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9573" PostId="3798" Score="1" Text="@Chad the basic principle is the same, and fairly universal.  You put things in terms that the other person can understand, and what you want them to understand.  As someone who had to learn how to speak TWICE, I know how important communication skills are.  This question was about communication skills on the job and while the question was about security, the answers are universal.  Don't confuse people with jargon native to your field, put things in their terms." CreationDate="2016-07-14T16:23:55.023" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9574" PostId="3798" Score="0" Text="@RichardU - I disagree that the answer is not dependant on what you are doing.    In this case I doubt either of us will be swayed and I have no desire to argue the point with you further." CreationDate="2016-07-14T17:57:55.973" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9576" PostId="3801" Score="0" Text="I guess I was thinking something along the lines of how can i set myself up for the best chance to move forward.  But I suspect you are right the entire dealing with depression part probably needs to be removed to be on topic which kind of defeats the purpose of the question for the OP" CreationDate="2016-07-15T03:18:33.193" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9585" PostId="3802" Score="13" Text="If it is taking an asker a *week* to respond to comments, you have much bigger problems than comments being moved." CreationDate="2016-07-20T17:03:51.607" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="9647" PostId="3802" Score="7" Text="@Shog9 Disagree. I realize that many people use SE sites to get others to give them quick answers 'now' and no research required (`give me teh codez` or other site specific), others use SE as a way to get more heads to think more in depth about a problem that they are not alone in facing. SE, as I understand it, is meant to, as at least one of its main goals, to create a resource for the future. That requires time to consider, among other things." CreationDate="2016-07-31T01:22:57.290" UserId="53095" />
  <row Id="9649" PostId="3802" Score="1" Text="Enough time to consider, @cwilson? That's enough time to cross the Atlantic on the QE2! If you're planning on leaving the country for a while, maybe you could just hold onto your questions until you've got reliable Internet again, just in case these sorts of discussions arise..." CreationDate="2016-07-31T03:07:36.953" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="9656" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="I generally figure that if someone's going to post a question and then wait a week before responding to requests for clarification, then the question has easily been unclear for long enough that I should downvote it. As a side-effect of this, if I've posted such a request, then come back and a moderator has removed my request (without the asker responding) then the question by site/mod/softwre policy will never be clarified, so I *usually* downvote or in extreme cases close-vote." CreationDate="2016-08-01T12:12:53.273" UserId="13722" />
  <row Id="9659" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 I don't think that leaving the country is related to this question, any answers, or any comments (thus far). I also didn't know what the QE2 was, but it looks like it is an old ocean liner that is dry docked in Dubai, and hasn't moved for 8 years now. I am missing the relevance, but I want to assume that a comment by someone with an stackexchange.com email address who visits the various sites far more often than a standard user would have direct relevance, instead of just assuming it is an off topic comment clouded by someone whose outlier activity has clouded their judgement. Help?" CreationDate="2016-08-01T15:00:11.397" UserId="53095" />
  <row Id="9660" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="@SteveJessop Established user experience and tendencies are very relevant here. Thank you. I stand by my 'time to consider' comment, and though it may be wrong, I don't think your comment contradicts that. Perhaps the discussion should move toward discussion of the time frame. It appears that at least two users say that 1 week is too long, and at least two users say that 1 day (see answer below, all are 'yesterday' time stamps) is too short. Is there value in a middle ground? Is it possible with the current moderator tools?" CreationDate="2016-08-01T15:04:05.493" UserId="53095" />
  <row Id="9661" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="The relevance is the absurdity, @CWilson. I do not believe for a second that there is a topic here so thorny, so deep, that it requires a solid week for the author to respond to requests for clarification. Nor am I particularly convinced that most of the askers here do any more research than the folks asking for code elsewhere." CreationDate="2016-08-01T15:04:07.140" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="9662" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 You raise a good point: are any questions on WorkplaceSE ever worthy of real research, or are anecdotes from random faceless internet usernames all that should/could ever be expected? That is a question for another time, perhaps. In the meantime, my comment was perhaps off topic here, because I read the answer (&quot;as intended by Stack Exchange&quot;) to be relevant SE wide, and not merely to WorkplaceSE. That said, your initial comment fell just over an hour prior to the SE wide answer, and almost certainly was not intended to be SE wide. I should not have pointed my disagreement @ you. Sorry." CreationDate="2016-08-01T15:17:14.080" UserId="53095" />
  <row Id="9663" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="All that said, I still maintain that those who are facing real problems in the workplace may in fact not be able to get back to the question within 24 hours, and that those who know how to navigate workplace problems successfully by experience should be so busy by definition that 24 hours is not always practical. One possible solution is restrict or move comments that are off topic or just noise. Another is to increase the time until comments are moved. I believe that the OP did a good job offering those ideas, and that @enderland answered well the former. What about the latter?" CreationDate="2016-08-01T15:34:01.947" UserId="53095" />
  <row Id="9665" PostId="3802" Score="1" Text="Easiest way to handle the latter is just to close the question until the asker returns, @CWilson. Then you don't end up with a pile of misguided answers to contend with after clarification is made." CreationDate="2016-08-01T21:30:38.860" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="9668" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="Interesting idea. We could also close it until the appropriate answerer returns as well. That way we don't end up with a pile of misguided comments burying and causing deletion of the comment that said answerer requires. Not an idea I had ever really considered. I had never thought of closing questions as a way to improve on moderators' abilities, though in retrospect it seems quite obvious. Very interesting implications, to say the least." CreationDate="2016-08-02T02:01:55.097" UserId="53095" />
  <row Id="9669" PostId="3802" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 responding to comments and clarifications can easily take some days when people are in different time zones. I often have an influx of comments on my posts from american people that come during times when I'm asleep and only answer on the next day. So if there is someone who has a comment, and maybe another comment, it can easily take three days to work that out. Chat is really terrible for that. I agree it shouldn't take a week, but at least 48-7h seems reasonable." CreationDate="2016-08-02T17:47:23.063" UserId="2380" />
  <row Id="9676" PostId="3802" Score="4" Text="These comments seem to be discussion-like.  They should be moved to chat." CreationDate="2016-08-03T13:30:55.043" UserId="19849" />
  <row Id="9687" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="@Kik the joys of making meta sites a discussion board for a non-discussion board.... XD" CreationDate="2016-08-04T23:10:14.117" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="15146" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 Not everyone visits the site every hour, people may visit the site only on the weekend, or perhaps once every 2 or 3 days, because they actually have a life outside this site as well. I don't seem to recall it mentioned anywhere on the help pages that people who cannot visit the site every hour are not allowed to post questions here, nor that questions will be closed if you do not respond to comments within a specified time. If you want the site to be run that way, then make it official in the help pages." CreationDate="2018-04-22T14:35:10.133" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15154" PostId="3802" Score="0" Text="Not every practical necessity needs a rule to justify it, @MaskedMan. If a question is problematic without a response, that problem exists whether or not there is a line in the help center alluding to the need for such responses; I think we can trust the good folk here to use the tools responsibly." CreationDate="2018-04-23T20:25:07.373" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="9586" PostId="3803" Score="3" Text="Thank you, this is a very informative explanation. I still think something could be better, but you've convinced me that it's not so obvious how to do it." CreationDate="2016-07-20T18:21:27.490" UserId="12445" />
  <row Id="9587" PostId="3803" Score="1" Text="In other words, not bad moderators, but bad tools." CreationDate="2016-07-20T19:23:31.763" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9589" PostId="3803" Score="1" Text="@RichardU the tooling is part of it, but the reality is reading 20+ comments and finding the 1 or 2 that are relevant and well intentioned is... hard, too." CreationDate="2016-07-20T19:29:44.920" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9591" PostId="3803" Score="5" Text="I did those deletions in two steps, BTW.  The first several were subsumed by an edit and were thus obsolete (thanks to the flagger who pointed that out), so I deleted them. Then I looked at the *rest* and it was still too long and I didn't see further requests to the OP, only discussion and advice and opinions about the wrongness of it all.  General guidance would call for purging those, but I moved them to chat instead. (I missed the patent comment.)" CreationDate="2016-07-20T20:05:08.363" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9594" PostId="3803" Score="0" Text="I feel like just makeing a Chat link for These Situation and block the comments on the question. Since every HNQ I have seen has People just chatting. I dont know if this is possible. something else might be to get a high reputation requirement of 500 or 1000 rep protection that mods can put up" CreationDate="2016-07-21T08:30:11.237" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="9595" PostId="3803" Score="0" Text="Maybe '@' mentions could be used as a guide for which comments are directed at OP and which at other comments. System could even automatically move long '@' chains to chat.." CreationDate="2016-07-21T14:14:21.813" UserId="12445" />
  <row Id="9597" PostId="3803" Score="0" Text="@Owen you cannot do an `@originalposter` though (on any post -- if you try to do (at)enderland here it will not work either)..." CreationDate="2016-07-21T14:29:31.637" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9598" PostId="3803" Score="3" Text="Yeah I have to say that nothing of value was lost in that comment thread, apart from perhaps the patent comment, though even that is ultimately only relevant to the OP's specific problem and shouldn't affect answers. (@enderland does seem to work by the way. I think it only removes it if you've got a one-on-one comment thread going or the author hasn't participated in the comments yet)" CreationDate="2016-07-21T14:32:52.573" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9599" PostId="3803" Score="0" Text="Huh... something-something about the way things may have used to be, something-something. In other words, didn't know that :-)" CreationDate="2016-07-21T15:47:40.107" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9610" PostId="3803" Score="0" Text="@enderland If there are two people, @ doesn't do much. If there are more than 2 people, it does. It's (suprisingly) as simple as that! (I think.)" CreationDate="2016-07-22T18:06:50.803" UserId="49123" />
  <row Id="9643" PostId="3803" Score="0" Text="I *like* to read comments. Sometimes even if they're off-topic. Sometimes I see several comments, then one saying this discussion has been taken to chat `link`. I can happily click through that link and continue reading those comments. What bothers me to no end, is when (as I repeatedly encountered on academia.se) I click that link in an old thread and get sent to the main chat page of the .SE site with no hope of finding the original comments. As an aside, I wish there was not a possibility to delete comments, except maybe those flagged as offensive, etc." CreationDate="2016-07-30T07:26:23.870" UserId="50512" />
  <row Id="9675" PostId="3803" Score="1" Text="@LLlAMnYP It's not about liking it.  In SE's site you have Questions, Answers and Comments, each of them aim for a defined purpose. The prupose of the comments is to ask for/give clarification to an existing Question/Answer or eventually arguments for/against another comment. Once the clarification has been integrated in the post, they don't need to live anymore and sould be deleted. The goal of SE sites is to have a &quot;clean&quot; repository of knowledge where the knowledge holds in answers, not comments." CreationDate="2016-08-03T13:00:21.930" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9677" PostId="3803" Score="1" Text="@Walfrat Quite frankly, I don't care what the goal of SE in general is. The individual sub-communities often develop their own, slightly unique culture which in some areas deviates from the goals and intents of SE. IMO answers are to comments, what a wiki entry about, say, some interesting town is to anecdotal evidence and personal accounts of people who live there. The latter may not be structured enough or backed up with references enough to be included in the encyclopedic entry, but it will give insights one would never get from wiki..." CreationDate="2016-08-03T13:39:36.323" UserId="50512" />
  <row Id="9678" PostId="3803" Score="1" Text="...and at risk of sounding vain, I'll use my two comments here as an example: are they worth being upgraded to answers? Hell no. Should it be somehow incorporated into the above answer? I don't see how. But doesn't my above comparison still contribute something? I believe it does. And in the comment thread shown in the screenshots above there are people disseminating snippets of knowledge, which maybe aren't directly relevant to the specific QA, but, y'know, knowledge is power and all that jazz :-)" CreationDate="2016-08-03T13:48:35.433" UserId="50512" />
  <row Id="9679" PostId="3803" Score="1" Text="@LLlAMnYP What i meant by general goal is what is common to all SE sites. The community changes, allow more discussion in comments as in Workplace, but Question are still Question, Answer are Answers, and Comments are Comment. So a good Question/Answer on stack overflow must be edited to include valuable content from comments that get cleaned afterhand to avoid any confusion for the next people. Comments is per nature more subjective than. SE aim for objective content. Sometimes interesting coms are dropped, but i'm sure very most of them aren't necessary anymore or weren't from the beginning." CreationDate="2016-08-03T14:01:39.273" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9680" PostId="3803" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat I'll agree only on the point that they (comments) weren't necessary for the Q and A, but that's as far as I'll go :-)" CreationDate="2016-08-03T17:19:19.793" UserId="50512" />
  <row Id="9596" PostId="3804" Score="2" Text="Just added final vote to reopen,  looks straight forward as a question to me." CreationDate="2016-07-21T14:27:21.283" UserId="4937" />
  <row Id="9601" PostId="3804" Score="1" Text="There's nothing unclear about this question." CreationDate="2016-07-21T17:35:29.750" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9605" PostId="3804" Score="0" Text="Yes, but should still be closed with the actual reason since this is nearly the definition of Company specific." CreationDate="2016-07-22T06:53:55.077" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="9763" PostId="3804" Score="0" Text="I always interpret &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot; to mean &quot;unclear *why* you're asking (us)&quot;. This is not without precedent: http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/215705/202356. When viewed this way, the question is closeable for exactly the same reason. By the way, &quot;what is the purpose of 1:1 meetings?&quot; is not the same question as &quot;why did my manager call me for a 1:1 meeting?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-08-10T16:34:19.787" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9592" PostId="3805" Score="4" Text="1:1 meetings with your manager are a *common* practice in my experience.  That's hardly company-specific, meaning a question that can only be answered by one's company.  But thanks for pointing out that not all the close voters agreed on the reason." CreationDate="2016-07-21T01:42:24.427" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9593" PostId="3805" Score="4" Text="@MonicaCellio: And every manager's motivation for holding frequent one-on-one meetings is... Company-specific." CreationDate="2016-07-21T03:03:12.153" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="9609" PostId="3807" Score="0" Text="By that reasoning, questions about how to present things on resumes or in cover letters are company-specific (each hiring manager is different), as are questions about negotiating salary (some companies are more flexible than others), as are questions about socializing with coworkers (every place is different)... what do you think is *not* company-specific?" CreationDate="2016-07-22T14:13:37.330" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9619" PostId="3807" Score="0" Text="&quot;How to present things on resumes&quot; is not Company-Specific´.&#xA;&quot;Negotiating Salary&quot; Many of These questions are People who accepted a Job and dislike their &quot;benefits&quot; and complain, but still not Company specific." CreationDate="2016-07-25T08:56:17.297" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="9620" PostId="3807" Score="0" Text="&quot;socializing with coworkers&quot; IDK, it might be? Honestly I see/seen alot of answers which basicly say that every place is different bla bla bla, do a judgement roll and hope for the best. Now this is kinda narrow minded as I don't really read the answers to the qeustions. :D" CreationDate="2016-07-25T08:59:54.687" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="9622" PostId="3807" Score="0" Text="Isn't &quot;how to X on resumes&quot; just code for &quot;how do I get my target company to hire me&quot;?  Which would be company-specific, by your reasoning.  &quot;What's the purpose of 1:1 meetings&quot; is no more company-specific than that.  Similarly, what tactics for negotiating salary can be company-specific; some companies have rigid job-grade systems.  There are plenty of questions here that *are* company-specific (or employee-specific) and they rightly get closed; I just don't think this current question is one of them." CreationDate="2016-07-25T12:57:14.610" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9625" PostId="3807" Score="0" Text="can we agree to disagree? :X" CreationDate="2016-07-25T14:20:40.357" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="9608" PostId="3808" Score="1" Text="I might argue that &quot;benefits&quot; covers the official job benefits, like health insurance and retirement plans, while &quot;perks&quot; covers the non-official things like free coffee and office parties. However, since there's only one question tagged &quot;perks&quot; (and Monica has already done the merge), I think combining the two is fine." CreationDate="2016-07-22T12:26:54.837" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9618" PostId="3808" Score="1" Text="@DavidK that's a good point.  If, later, people want to ask questions about perks-not-benefits and the synonym is tripping them up, we can remove the synonym." CreationDate="2016-07-24T18:02:18.570" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9602" PostId="3809" Score="3" Text="&quot;Why was mine closed?&quot; - Your question was &quot;closed as off-topic&quot;. The other question already has 4 close votes, so most likely there won't be any difference between the two fairly soon." CreationDate="2016-07-22T02:04:50.647" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9603" PostId="3809" Score="2" Text="I cast the final close vote.  The new question could have been closed for any number of reasons for being off topic." CreationDate="2016-07-22T02:08:27.470" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="9604" PostId="3809" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Ah okay. I guess the fact that I saw an upvote and no close made me feel like people thought that questions was okay." CreationDate="2016-07-22T02:17:08.650" UserId="50030" />
  <row Id="9606" PostId="3809" Score="4" Text="@bmarkham up and down votes have nothing to do with Close votes. They are 2 separate Systems. something with 1000 upvotes can be closed." CreationDate="2016-07-22T06:55:49.750" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="9611" PostId="3809" Score="1" Text="I dont know if it would help but you might want to restate your question as looking for suggestions on how to get a job in California while living abroad rather than a should I/shouldn't I." CreationDate="2016-07-22T18:40:32.223" UserId="42099" />
  <row Id="9627" PostId="3809" Score="1" Text="@bmarkham - both are closed now. So basically there is no real difference." CreationDate="2016-07-25T18:52:54.053" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9653" PostId="3811" Score="0" Text="reasonable enough question, I did this, went to University as an adult after dropping out of school at 14. There's a couple of things worked well for me." CreationDate="2016-07-31T14:14:34.317" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9607" PostId="3812" Score="0" Text="Education tends to deal more with how to be a postgraduate than with educational choices and resources. I'd go for a computing topic, personally, since that's where you'll find folks who can opine on what they have and have found useful...." CreationDate="2016-07-22T11:00:59.903" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9612" PostId="3813" Score="0" Text="Ok, done: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/71894/where-and-or-how-to-conduct-a-mid-life-skills-assessment-and-identify-areas-of-i (thanks)" CreationDate="2016-07-23T05:41:51.847" UserId="54196" />
  <row Id="9626" PostId="3813" Score="0" Text="The problem here is what skills should I learn is explicitly off topic. *I don't have a particular end game in mind* is very problematic for asking the question here." CreationDate="2016-07-25T14:43:11.583" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9613" PostId="3814" Score="0" Text="Unless we have a specific case where that is causing a problem, and/or a better tag suggestion." CreationDate="2016-07-23T18:26:24.860" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9614" PostId="3814" Score="0" Text="@keshlam That's pretty much what I thought. Mind adding that as an answer?" CreationDate="2016-07-23T20:15:56.687" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9615" PostId="3814" Score="0" Text="I have to admit that I'm not wild about the judgemental tone of &quot;rejection&quot;, though, and it's begging to be used by someone heartbroken by a workplace relationship... So I'd actually rather fix the tag for clarity. I don't have a good suggestion , though." CreationDate="2016-07-23T20:22:22.073" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9616" PostId="3814" Score="0" Text="You could turn it into &quot;offer-rejection&quot; to avoid that but I'm not a fan of lengthening tags when there's no real need to do so. If someone abuses the tag in the scenario you give it's just up to the community to fix the tags. I actually expected we'd have an 'office-romance' tag but apparently we don't." CreationDate="2016-07-23T20:35:26.400" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9617" PostId="3814" Score="2" Text="&quot;But should this tag also include questions from the other side,&quot; - sure. No reason to create yet another tag." CreationDate="2016-07-24T16:49:17.463" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9621" PostId="3816" Score="0" Text="Too late, the author removed it." CreationDate="2016-07-25T12:05:46.347" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9623" PostId="3816" Score="2" Text="@RichardU Monica commented on the question and I've voted to undelete." CreationDate="2016-07-25T13:33:26.383" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9624" PostId="3816" Score="2" Text="600 hundred more points to go 'til 10,000 :)" CreationDate="2016-07-25T13:36:04.653" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9628" PostId="3816" Score="2" Text="I would definitely support it being both undeleted and reopened.  It seemed to be a legitimate question.  The only reason I only commented rather than answer it was because I didn't have time just then to frame up a proper answer." CreationDate="2016-07-26T00:44:46.037" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="9629" PostId="3816" Score="0" Text="If it's undeleted, I'll vote to reopen" CreationDate="2016-07-28T12:05:57.780" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9630" PostId="3816" Score="2" Text="@JaneS Perhaps a mod could notify the OP that his question is being discussed here? I could comment on his other question on the main site but don't like abusing comments to PM." CreationDate="2016-07-28T12:08:27.950" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9631" PostId="3816" Score="0" Text="I don't know if I can undelete the question at this point" CreationDate="2016-07-29T00:40:07.337" UserId="38483" />
  <row Id="9632" PostId="3816" Score="0" Text="Oh nevermind. It looks like someone else undeleted it." CreationDate="2016-07-29T00:40:32.853" UserId="38483" />
  <row Id="9633" PostId="3816" Score="0" Text="I thought it was a pretty fair question. I think depending on their experience it's reassuring to know they can tell the recruiter the truth and ask them to wait whilst it's updated" CreationDate="2016-07-29T10:13:54.350" UserId="48691" />
  <row Id="9634" PostId="3816" Score="0" Text="I just cast the fifth reopen vote." CreationDate="2016-07-29T13:11:15.800" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9635" PostId="3816" Score="1" Text="Thanks for reopening it everyone. @michaelsnowden I've dropped a bounty on the question to help it get some more attention." CreationDate="2016-07-29T14:08:03.787" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9636" PostId="3818" Score="4" Text="If that's an individual's actual opinion -- if they feel it's a nonproductive question with counterproductive answers -- downvoting everything is legitimate. If it's malicious &quot;serial downvoting&quot;, it's against the rules and should be cancelled." CreationDate="2016-07-29T16:16:03.413" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9637" PostId="3818" Score="5" Text="I don't see how they're inexorably tied together though. I've upvoted plenty of answers and downvoted the question. I could see downvoting them all if they're individually bad, both the answer and the the question a bad attempt to answer an equally bad question. But to downvote answers because they don't think the question doesn't deserve answering (which is more likely the case) is just dumb." CreationDate="2016-07-29T17:03:55.863" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="9638" PostId="3818" Score="0" Text="@keshlam  I've seen it a few times recently.  I don't know if it would qualify as serial down voting, as this seems to be against a question and it's participants rather than a person." CreationDate="2016-07-29T17:04:10.603" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9639" PostId="3818" Score="7" Text="@ChristopherEstep The few I've seen lately have been to quick for the person to have actually read the answers unless they're speed reading.   I think it's downvoting the answers because they're not liking the questions." CreationDate="2016-07-29T17:07:32.653" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9640" PostId="3818" Score="1" Text="i've seen it as well and i agree" CreationDate="2016-07-29T17:16:03.720" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="9641" PostId="3818" Score="2" Text="The same person is doing this for multiple questions/answers?" CreationDate="2016-07-29T19:47:18.407" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9642" PostId="3818" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere It looks like it, but we're not moderators" CreationDate="2016-07-29T20:07:14.187" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9648" PostId="3818" Score="3" Text="Some of us have speed reading as our _slowest_ reading speed. Fast response is not necessarily an unconsidered response." CreationDate="2016-07-31T01:49:53.070" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9654" PostId="3818" Score="1" Text="&quot;Is this something we should be concerned about?&quot; - I'm not concerned." CreationDate="2016-07-31T20:58:33.393" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9644" PostId="3820" Score="0" Text="Close reasons are not rigorous. When several are considered correct, as in this case, any if those may be chosen." CreationDate="2016-07-30T12:11:13.307" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9655" PostId="3820" Score="0" Text="If the result is that both questions are closed, I don't see how it matters if the reason was &quot;because they are duplicates and the original was off-topic&quot; or &quot;because they are both off-topic&quot;. What's the practical difference?" CreationDate="2016-07-31T20:59:59.173" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9645" PostId="3821" Score="2" Text="I've noticed it in a few posts and just wanted to let the community know.  I don't think it's widespread, and have only seen it in around ten questions in the past few weeks.  I'm of high enough rep that it's not going to affect me.  Thank you for your answer" CreationDate="2016-07-30T17:55:39.790" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9651" PostId="3822" Score="7" Text="Yep, I'm with you, they can do whatever they want" CreationDate="2016-07-31T09:44:39.157" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9742" PostId="3822" Score="3" Text="It's allowed; but allowed isn't the same as desirable. I'd say it's healthier for SE and more desirable if people would choose to *not* indiscriminately downvote. For one thing, it reduces the impact of downvotes if people begin to just expect seemingly random unexplained downvotes." CreationDate="2016-08-09T11:34:07.380" UserId="4559" />
  <row Id="9657" PostId="3825" Score="3" Text="It was flagged for deletion apparently and showed up on the queue. As for why it was deleted, I would think it would be obvious. You insulted OP's friend, you accused the OP of potentially trolling and then mocked the post itself. But the other thing is that it's not an answer, it's a comment.  I'm bewildered that you would be even a little surprised, given your rep and how long you've been here." CreationDate="2016-08-01T14:42:29.373" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="9658" PostId="3825" Score="0" Text="@ChristopherEstep I call a potential troll a troll when I see him or her. A lot of people agreed by downvoting the post. The answer was &quot;there is no answer to a troll&quot; (whether it's the OP or their friend, I cannot tell). But it's not about the content. It's about the fact I wasn't even notified. Why wasn't I notified of my post being deleted? I'm notified of any crap happening on this site, deletion should be on top of that list, right?" CreationDate="2016-08-01T14:46:09.243" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="9667" PostId="3825" Score="0" Text="Keep in mind that just because someone else is &lt;wrong, dumb, ignorant, bigoted&gt; does not mean it's suddenly &quot;ok&quot; to be that way back to them. Check out the [Be Nice](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice) section of the help center. And the obligatory [XKCD](https://xkcd.com/386/) on the subject." CreationDate="2016-08-02T01:26:00.793" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9702" PostId="3825" Score="0" Text="I had an answer deleted that had over +30 votes, que sera sera, got to be philosophical about these things :)" CreationDate="2016-08-05T11:46:43.950" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9686" PostId="3826" Score="2" Text="Indeed, people who post bad answers, regardless of the merit of the question, need to be informed that there's something wrong with what they're doing." CreationDate="2016-08-04T20:46:46.837" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="9664" PostId="3827" Score="1" Text="hm, at least that's interesting info. Do you think it's as intended that we get no feedback on deletion, or does it make sense to request that feature? I think deletion is one of the most drastic measures a site can take, so there should be at least a message." CreationDate="2016-08-01T16:16:16.810" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="9666" PostId="3827" Score="1" Text="@nvoigt honestly? For every improperly deleted post there are probably _hundreds_ that were worthy of deletion. I'm not sure there is much value in   publicizing this given that most are properly deleted." CreationDate="2016-08-02T01:24:52.163" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9685" PostId="3827" Score="0" Text="I agree all a message that your post was deleted is likely to do is spur the average user to protest the deletion.  Adding more conflict to the SE is not constructive." CreationDate="2016-08-04T18:48:23.683" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9670" PostId="3830" Score="0" Text="No argument, but the answer remains &quot;unless you are willing to get a bad review, quit, or be fired over it you can't, and if you hope to survive in this industry you should expect to be continuously learning.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-08-02T19:42:31.170" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9671" PostId="3830" Score="0" Text="@keshlam YEP, that's the nature of the beast" CreationDate="2016-08-02T20:16:05.713" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9672" PostId="3830" Score="0" Text="I just cast the 5th reopen vote." CreationDate="2016-08-02T20:34:41.467" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9684" PostId="3831" Score="0" Text="[Help Center -&gt; How do I delete my account?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/deleting-account) (FWIW you can also edit your real name out from your profile)" CreationDate="2016-08-04T14:02:14.747" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9681" PostId="3833" Score="0" Text="This is a matter of interpretation, i red this as &quot;how refuse to be moved to new language / system professionally ?&quot;. Of course an answer of such question should first start by &quot;legally you can't&quot;.  But that doesn't mean there is nothing to be said in the workplace about it." CreationDate="2016-08-04T07:11:58.017" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9682" PostId="3833" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat What if the answer for his jurisdiction is &quot;forget doing it professionally, legally you *can*&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-08-04T07:22:09.947" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="9683" PostId="3833" Score="0" Text="Then you could add &quot;for the specific legal aspect go to law.SE&quot;. If it's not possible professionally, that's an answer" CreationDate="2016-08-04T07:32:26.017" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9688" PostId="3834" Score="0" Text="http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3434/washing-away-apparent-gender-bias-conveyed-in-an-original-poster-s-question?rq=1" CreationDate="2016-08-04T23:11:52.773" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9692" PostId="3834" Score="0" Text="In this case the moderator action was to move comments to chat, but I don't think the scope of this question should be limited to the one example I have provided.  Instead I hope that we can discuss whether or not the practice in general is appropriate." CreationDate="2016-08-05T01:00:02.183" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9694" PostId="3834" Score="0" Text="@redredwine http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/118972/stack-exchange-moderator-faq" CreationDate="2016-08-05T01:11:00.840" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9698" PostId="3834" Score="0" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/75189/who-are-the-diamond-moderators-and-what-is-their-role" CreationDate="2016-08-05T01:30:41.177" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9701" PostId="3834" Score="0" Text="cross-site duplicate at MSE: [Closing Etiquette: Why Do Some Answer *and* Close?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4283/closing-etiquette-why-do-some-answer-and-close)" CreationDate="2016-08-05T07:23:24.357" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9705" PostId="3834" Score="2" Text="I think this would benefit from an [edit] clarifying what you mean. Do you mean handling flags? Making edits to a question?  Right now, you state you want to discuss a general question but about 75% of this is addressing a specific situation and talking about trends of people complaining about moderator bias. Is the purpose of this to discuss &quot;moderate or answer?&quot; or to discuss mod bias or to discuss a specific question?  It's hard for me to understand your intent when you call out the purpose as a general discussion but include so much specific information." CreationDate="2016-08-05T12:44:22.203" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9699" PostId="3835" Score="2" Text="@redredwine &quot;Moderating a question&quot; in general means review flags that have been raised by the community.  That particular question had accumulated a LOT of flags.  _In general_, we take only action once flag(s) has been raised, however there are times when we moderators, who are also still members of the community, see something that if we _weren't_ moderators, would flag." CreationDate="2016-08-05T05:06:33.763" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="9758" PostId="3835" Score="1" Text="I think its a good practice to follow but honestly I would rather have you step in and purge comment chatter than allow it to continue and create further conflict.  Similarly an answer that is bad enough to need a to be deleted with out warning I would rather you take the action.  And if it is bad enough to warrent a warning, cautionary comment , or banner applied I would rather you take that action when you see it rather than wait and hope another mod will handle it." CreationDate="2016-08-10T15:32:28.490" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9695" PostId="3836" Score="0" Text="&quot;Moderators try hard to avoid even the appearance of conflict of interest. But this community elected us to act when needed. We're not going to tie our hands and say &quot;sorry, can't do anything&quot; while things are spinning out of control.&quot;  Fair enough.  I agree that your duty as a moderator might require that you take action to moderate a question and possibly create a perceived conflict of interest after you have already answered." CreationDate="2016-08-05T01:15:57.250" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9696" PostId="3836" Score="0" Text="Given your good faith desire to &quot;avert an explosion&quot; I would like to point out the repeated &quot;explosions&quot; that pop up on meta around the perception of moderator bias.  In my opinion, choosing not to answer a question after you have already taken action to moderate the controversy will go a long way to reducing that perception." CreationDate="2016-08-05T01:19:10.437" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9700" PostId="3836" Score="2" Text="@Lumberjack We as moderators are very mindful of trying to not just _be_ fair, but _seen to be_ fair.  As both Enderland and Monica state, if we have answered a question, then unless there are extenuating circumstances, we take great lengths to avoid moderating that question.  Sometimes that isn't possible, especially when there is a sensitive topic that starts to generate emotional responses." CreationDate="2016-08-05T05:10:38.733" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="9703" PostId="3836" Score="0" Text="I went back and reviewed that particular question, only TWO of the comments moved to chat were non-constructive.  Most of them were either clarifying or asking for clarification.  Why couldn't the obnoxious ones be removed and the ones asking for clarification?" CreationDate="2016-08-05T12:22:25.937" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9704" PostId="3836" Score="4" Text="@Lumberjack keep in mind that when you say &quot;repeated explosions&quot; on meta what you really mean is a small handful of users (such as yourself) repeatedly raising issues like this in fairly non-constructive ways." CreationDate="2016-08-05T12:33:07.170" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9708" PostId="3836" Score="0" Text="@enderland watch how many up votes this question gets." CreationDate="2016-08-05T13:20:21.957" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9709" PostId="3836" Score="3" Text="@RichardU that's the problem with a [post that isn't clear what the primary intent is](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3834/either-moderate-the-question-or-answer-the-question-choose-one-but-not-both/3836?noredirect=1#comment9705_3834). Are people upvoting because of the not-so-thinly veiled &quot;mod bias&quot; comments? Because people agree with the grievance towards this specific situation? Because people agree with what appears to be the ultimate point of the meta question - the &quot;should moderators both moderate/answer a question?&quot; Because people agree this discussion should happen?" CreationDate="2016-08-05T13:32:20.987" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9710" PostId="3836" Score="0" Text="@enderland again, I'm not unsympathetic.  You're always going to get the folks with oppositional defiance disorder who are going to upvote any question that brings the mods to task, because of a natural dislike for authority.  Perception, however affects reality.  I've seen other questions bringing up concerns where the moderator responses have been essentially &quot;We're doing fine, now shut up&quot;. not in those words, but with that sentiment.  Present company excluded." CreationDate="2016-08-05T13:38:04.450" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9711" PostId="3836" Score="1" Text="Moderate or answer, not both.  It's that simple." CreationDate="2016-08-05T16:24:56.517" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="9712" PostId="3836" Score="4" Text="For context, @RonnieW. is [on record as objecting to comment moderation](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3196/what-is-wrong-with-comments)." CreationDate="2016-08-05T16:51:37.420" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9713" PostId="3836" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio I am not sure why you are bringing that up.  I feel like you are trying to label me as a 'serial complainer'.  I don't mean to complain.  I just want to fix problems I see.  Workplace is awesome.  I hate to see it lose people because their is little incentive to participate because 'the rich get richer' and the 'poor get poorer.  I feel like an obvious 'conflict of interest' existed here.  In this case, it I felt it hurt my reputation(or chances of reputation).  Should I not bring it up?  What would you have me do?" CreationDate="2016-08-05T17:25:30.890" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="9715" PostId="3836" Score="4" Text="@RonnieW. how did this hurt your reputation?  The question was not edited.  The OP's opinions about it being gender-related are right there in the question, and the discussion about it is right there in chat.  You responded to the OP. Since you object to comment moderation in the first place and nothing happened to the question that affected your answer in any way, I'm left puzzled about just what your complaint is. Whatever it is, please express it in a meta post, not comments (and especially not comments on main)." CreationDate="2016-08-05T18:00:51.903" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9716" PostId="3836" Score="0" Text="You removed comments on the question that did not favor your answer.  You controlled the conversation.  It did not &quot;hurt&quot;, but more favored you instead to get more votes.  I object to over zealous comment moderation especially when it's biased favoring the answer given by a moderator.  I don't think that is unreasonable." CreationDate="2016-08-05T18:19:33.350" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="9717" PostId="3836" Score="5" Text="@RonnieW. I think what Monica is saying is that the original question was not edited (well, I guess I edited it to include some comment information unrelated to this discussion) so the question has remained the same the entire time since posting - which means that the comments should not have had much impact on the overall voting on the question." CreationDate="2016-08-05T18:21:25.910" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9718" PostId="3836" Score="5" Text="@RonnieW. I'm afraid I don't see it, for reasons I've already explained.  I didn't remove any of the stuff about gender (except one comment that was obsolete after being edited into the question).  We're going around in circles, so I'll stop. I'm sorry for what you saw as conflict of interest. My goal was not to influence voting on answers but help keep the question comment section (which was getting out of hand) clean, but I can see how it might seem that way to you." CreationDate="2016-08-05T18:23:38.627" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9706" PostId="3838" Score="7" Text="`you get way more leniency than if your politics are not` &lt;-- just a comment regarding this, one's politics has no influence on this. Calling another poster dumb or an idiot or moron (or worse..) or otherwise attacking other users and making discussion about them and not the post will always be unacceptable. The [Be Nice](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice) and the [What if I see someone doing something bad](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/flagging) sections of the help center provide useful guidance on this subject and what we as moderators use to guide our actions." CreationDate="2016-08-05T13:04:28.283" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9707" PostId="3838" Score="1" Text="@enderland I'm reporting what I've observed.  That said, I've never seen that kind of behavior from you." CreationDate="2016-08-05T13:19:18.967" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9721" PostId="3838" Score="0" Text="I totally agree about the political side, I've seen it many times" CreationDate="2016-08-06T07:02:52.500" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9719" PostId="3839" Score="0" Text="To be honest, I don't have a problem with both, unless it seems to favor your own answer.  A mod can change a question/dialogue so their answer best fits the OP.  I see that as unethical." CreationDate="2016-08-05T20:59:19.463" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="9720" PostId="3839" Score="1" Text="@RonnieW. = that's not something I've seen much of. Moderators tend to have more to worry about than gaming the questions/answer to get points." CreationDate="2016-08-06T00:13:44.140" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9722" PostId="3839" Score="1" Text="Anyone can offer an edit if it improves the answer's value to the OP and the community. That's designed into SE, hence ethical by definition for this site. Edits get reviewed, can be reversed or further edited, etc. There really is no incentive to cheat; the point system is a bad joke at best, useful mostly for not giving folks too much power before they have learned how the community functions." CreationDate="2016-08-06T17:26:20.140" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9723" PostId="3839" Score="0" Text="@Joe No, you are right.  Generally doesn't happen.  I think in this case it did though." CreationDate="2016-08-07T05:36:44.333" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="9725" PostId="3839" Score="0" Text="@RonnieW. - you think the moderator was gaming the questions and answers in order to gain points?" CreationDate="2016-08-07T22:02:16.700" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9728" PostId="3839" Score="0" Text="@Joe In this case the mod removed(and admitted to doing so) comments on the question that did not fit her definition of the scope of the question.  In this specific case, any comments relating to gender(which my answer deems important and their answer does not) were removed.  Thus making her answer seem more relevant.  Egregious? No.  Disingenuous?  I think so." CreationDate="2016-08-08T13:44:23.353" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="9756" PostId="3839" Score="1" Text="@RonnieW. Nowhere did she actually say what you are inaccurately quoting. And your accusation is serious and a very long bow to draw. The member to whom you are referring has absolutely no reason to game questions to gain points. If you feel there is evidence of impropriety, you are more than welcome to flag it for review by a CM." CreationDate="2016-08-10T01:29:23.397" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="9757" PostId="3839" Score="0" Text="@JaneS From a comment on the original question &quot;The discussion about gender has been moved to chat.&quot;.  Please double check before you accuse me inaccurately of accusing someone inaccurately." CreationDate="2016-08-10T13:58:05.073" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="9724" PostId="3840" Score="1" Text="`There is no way to retract a moderation vote` Just a note, you can actually retract close votes now. As a moderator it's not possible since a close vote becomes binding, but if vote to close and later change your mind, or the question is edited, or otherwise you can retract your close vote. This was a new feature not super long ago." CreationDate="2016-08-07T13:58:48.193" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9726" PostId="3840" Score="0" Text="Didn't seem to be available last time I looked, but that was via the app, which is not being maintained at all well." CreationDate="2016-08-07T22:14:31.983" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9727" PostId="3840" Score="2" Text="A bit off topic, but I just use the mobile site view. Every time I've tried the app I've ended up frustrated and the mobile view seems to work really well." CreationDate="2016-08-07T22:20:28.873" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9729" PostId="3842" Score="2" Text="This could probably benefit from an [edit] to make it a bit less abrasive." CreationDate="2016-08-08T14:23:20.147" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9730" PostId="3842" Score="1" Text="@enderland by your command.  Sorry, abrasive is my &quot;default&quot; setting.  I don't always realize just how much so until it's pointed out." CreationDate="2016-08-08T14:35:40.133" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9731" PostId="3842" Score="0" Text="Somehow, I doubt this will get an answer." CreationDate="2016-08-08T15:39:47.497" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9733" PostId="3842" Score="1" Text="http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/75189/who-are-the-diamond-moderators-and-what-is-their-role" CreationDate="2016-08-08T18:01:22.040" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9734" PostId="3842" Score="0" Text="http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/05/a-theory-of-moderation/" CreationDate="2016-08-08T18:02:30.180" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9735" PostId="3842" Score="0" Text="@Lumberjack not helpful, very condescending." CreationDate="2016-08-08T18:05:24.087" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9739" PostId="3842" Score="1" Text="@RichardU I linked those posts because they are both relevant to your question.  No disrespect intended." CreationDate="2016-08-08T23:29:06.677" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9741" PostId="3842" Score="2" Text="Sad, I just read the question for the first time and it took me all of 30 seconds to formulate an excellent and incisive answer for the OP which would have left him/her in no doubt about the matter. But que sera sera.... I'm almost tempted to edit it to suitability just so that my 30 seconds isn't wasted." CreationDate="2016-08-09T09:06:41.107" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9750" PostId="3842" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi if you can edit a closed question to make it fit the site (and without going against the OP's intent), then not only is that ok but it's *preferable*. We'd rather fix the question and provide helpful answers than just send it away.  Please go ahead and edit." CreationDate="2016-08-09T14:18:52.183" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9755" PostId="3842" Score="0" Text="@Lumberjack I apologize to you too.  I can only blame an exceedingly bad mood.  No excuse" CreationDate="2016-08-09T17:12:23.487" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9732" PostId="3843" Score="0" Text="So....  Why should we bother voting then?" CreationDate="2016-08-08T17:57:25.187" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9740" PostId="3843" Score="0" Text="@RichardU err, for the other 99.9% of cases?  Mods rarely act unilaterally; we only do it when we're sure.  If a question is blatantly off-topic, what possible benefit could there be to leaving it open?" CreationDate="2016-08-09T04:39:40.813" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9746" PostId="3843" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Please allow me to apologize to you as well.  I'm not going to delete this question because it's a good example of a bad example.  I went off hot-headed and I apologize to all the mods for my bad judgment and hot=headedness." CreationDate="2016-08-09T13:29:27.387" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9749" PostId="3843" Score="0" Text="@RichardU apology accepted.  I'm glad Jane and enderland were able to clear up the confusion for you.  If you have a question about site policy or mod actions please do bring it to meta, though if you're really upset you might want to wait a bit. :-)" CreationDate="2016-08-09T14:17:27.233" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9751" PostId="3843" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio  &quot;Act in haste repent in leisure&quot;   I think I've learned my lesson." CreationDate="2016-08-09T14:23:38.873" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9752" PostId="3843" Score="1" Text="@RichardU FWIW, I also apologize for some of my snide-ish remarks. I have now removed them from the answer and the comments." CreationDate="2016-08-09T14:57:00.900" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9753" PostId="3843" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan No worries, I deserved it.  :D   apology accepted." CreationDate="2016-08-09T15:00:09.383" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9736" PostId="3844" Score="2" Text="Just a note, this is my perspective - I'm not trying to speak for Jane about this particular question, but sort of just rambling my thoughts on the situation and question you are asking." CreationDate="2016-08-08T20:21:37.763" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9737" PostId="3844" Score="0" Text="thank you for taking the time to answer. I mean that sincerely.  You've given me new insights." CreationDate="2016-08-08T20:49:20.800" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9747" PostId="3844" Score="0" Text="@enderland I've apologized to others, and you deserve one as well.  I'm sorry I went off hot-headed about this one.  I was wrong, and I apologize." CreationDate="2016-08-09T13:30:24.283" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9754" PostId="3844" Score="0" Text="@RichardU no worries and I appreciate the honesty!" CreationDate="2016-08-09T16:09:44.740" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9743" PostId="3845" Score="3" Text="Thank you for your response.  Time for me to eat a bit of crow, I suppose.  It probably has not come across with the tone of my post, but I do have a great deal of respect for the job you moderators do, so that was a bit jarring.  I now realize that the ***reason*** it was jarring is because I had not seen it before.  Upon reflection this proves your very point.  I would like to extend a personal apology to you.  I'm sorry.  I was a hothead, and I was wrong." CreationDate="2016-08-09T12:18:54.623" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9744" PostId="3845" Score="1" Text="@RichardU Apology accepted :)  I'm glad I was able to articulate what I was trying to convey, which before I'd had my coffee was quite a feat! :)" CreationDate="2016-08-09T12:40:36.080" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="9768" PostId="3848" Score="3" Text="Related: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/3138/16&#xA;&#xA;Its kind of a dupe actually but since this is meta I have no objection to revisiting it since it has been over a year." CreationDate="2016-08-10T17:38:17.437" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9770" PostId="3848" Score="2" Text="@Chad thanks.  I did see that one while searching, but it seemed to be more about the scope itself, while what I'm asking here is if we can explain it differently.  I'm not trying to change what's closable under that reason; I'm just hoping we can be a little nicer in telling people why we're closing questions." CreationDate="2016-08-10T18:39:58.093" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9771" PostId="3848" Score="2" Text="My initial thought was no we do not need to, but the more I think about it I think it may contribute to the culture that it is ok to be blunt nearly to the point of being rude.  After all look at that close reason." CreationDate="2016-08-10T18:45:12.830" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9774" PostId="3848" Score="0" Text="Since this topic got brought up, I want to readdress the same question for the [advice on what to do](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3286/advice-on-what-to-do-close-reason-is-over-broad) close description. I think a year ago we came to a consensus that it should be changed and some good ideas were put out, but no action was ever taken." CreationDate="2016-08-10T19:14:33.947" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9777" PostId="3848" Score="0" Text="The whole text of the close reason reads as somewhat snarky from my perspective.  We're basically accusing OP of being a whiner.  I agree this could be improved, but I think you need to target more than just the first sentence.  The whole explanation could be worded to be nicer." CreationDate="2016-08-10T20:55:29.680" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9778" PostId="3848" Score="1" Text="I don't have enough rep here to VTC.  Is &quot;Unclear what you are asking&quot; one of the choices?  If so, we might consider doing away with this close reason altogether and using &quot;Unclear what you're asking&quot; instead." CreationDate="2016-08-10T21:01:50.633" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9779" PostId="3848" Score="0" Text="@Lumberjack I made an edit; we should look at the whole thing, and especially the first, bold sentence but the rest too.  Yes, &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot; is a standard close reason.  If you propose that in an answer people will be able to vote." CreationDate="2016-08-10T21:04:27.880" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9786" PostId="3848" Score="0" Text="@DavidK - Feel free to ask that question.  I have never been happy with the wording of that close reason." CreationDate="2016-08-11T15:03:21.893" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9787" PostId="3848" Score="0" Text="@Chad The question was asked a year ago in the link I provided. Is it worth re-asking and linking to the old question?" CreationDate="2016-08-11T15:05:09.693" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9788" PostId="3848" Score="0" Text="@DavidK absolutely.  worst case scenerio the community is completely against the idea.  Even that is something good to know but in this case I suspect it would be well received." CreationDate="2016-08-11T15:07:11.867" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9822" PostId="3848" Score="1" Text="I'm too tired to actually suggest a wording myself, but could I advocate for getting rid of *click here*? Use meaningful link text. Always." CreationDate="2016-08-12T15:10:49.420" UserId="362" />
  <row Id="9781" PostId="3849" Score="8" Text="I think &quot;be helpful and be nice while you are helping&quot; is a good culture to encourage." CreationDate="2016-08-11T01:40:41.263" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9780" PostId="3850" Score="2" Text="I agree this is far too subjective. &quot;Some people need to be gives a swift kick in the backside to move, others need hand holding while still others need a plan laid out for them and they'll take it and run.&quot; - who gets to decide what some people need?" CreationDate="2016-08-11T01:39:39.183" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9790" PostId="3850" Score="2" Text="My answer may address this concern. A swift kick, if done politely and aiming them in the  proper direction, may be entirely appropriate. The kick alone probably iisn't optimal." CreationDate="2016-08-11T15:23:16.973" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9769" PostId="3851" Score="2" Text="To me that bold &quot;real questions have answers&quot; is a big part of the problem.  (That's what I meant by the first sentence.  Sorry if that wasn't clear.)  Can you think of a way to recast this somehow, still keeping the link?" CreationDate="2016-08-10T18:32:56.563" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9772" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio How about that?" CreationDate="2016-08-10T18:54:25.823" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9773" PostId="3851" Score="1" Text="Thanks, that's better!" CreationDate="2016-08-10T18:56:27.470" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9791" PostId="3851" Score="1" Text="@chad.  I .like it" CreationDate="2016-08-11T15:31:36.907" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9889" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="This is now implemented." CreationDate="2016-08-23T02:23:57.997" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9909" PostId="3851" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio You may want to edit the actions taken into the OP as well. Comments are easy to miss." CreationDate="2016-08-25T07:45:19.797" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9775" PostId="3852" Score="0" Text="Would you consider &quot;Questions must have a constructive goal&quot; for the opening phrase?" CreationDate="2016-08-10T19:18:38.910" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9776" PostId="3852" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio, yeah, that works too. I can edit that in. My main suggestion here was the use of the word &quot;goal&quot; to indicate a purpose other than ranting." CreationDate="2016-08-10T19:56:33.620" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9785" PostId="3853" Score="0" Text="I agree.  I think the be helpful should be the most important part.  If all a post does (be it comment or answer) is beat up on a post it is not helpful, even if it is done politely." CreationDate="2016-08-11T14:47:09.250" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9782" PostId="3854" Score="0" Text="Basically, no, other than using the alias account enough to gain those privileges or using it to ask here if someone bcould edit for you... which of course is now potentially compromised. The system is designed for participation, not just as an oracle." CreationDate="2016-08-11T03:18:40.603" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9783" PostId="3854" Score="0" Text="What is it that you want to do with this question? Some folks without sufficient rep ask for help in a comment to their own question or in chat. If you can still be anonymous, you could ask here." CreationDate="2016-08-11T14:00:46.530" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9784" PostId="3856" Score="0" Text="No I think consider this instead is exactly what would make this work" CreationDate="2016-08-11T14:44:20.580" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9797" PostId="3857" Score="0" Text="As Ben has now asked this meta question from his main account, an anonymous suggested edit saying &quot;this is my question really&quot; is pretty much going to tie Ben to the question he wanted to keep anonymous..." CreationDate="2016-08-11T18:13:31.647" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="9792" PostId="3860" Score="3" Text="It's also not clear why they become the &quot;talk of the company&quot;. Is their relationship a secret at work? If they are known to be in a relationship and living together, it shouldn't be surprising to coworkers that they often take leave together." CreationDate="2016-08-11T15:58:19.837" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9793" PostId="3860" Score="0" Text="I missed that part initially... now I guess I think I see the problem.  I assume in this context it is the European version of holiday (Vacation in the US).  I did revise the title to remove the immediately." CreationDate="2016-08-11T16:01:21.417" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9821" PostId="3860" Score="0" Text="While I agree the question can be improved drastically, I'm not sure that we need to know these details.  Personally, I think the question would be vastly improved by removing most if not all of the background." CreationDate="2016-08-12T15:08:19.600" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9823" PostId="3860" Score="0" Text="I tried for an edit, but it is beyond my skills.  I'm sorry." CreationDate="2016-08-12T15:15:58.053" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9824" PostId="3860" Score="2" Text="The biggest problem I can see is that it is really two issues rolled into one.  We have a workplace relationship that is generating office gossip, and we have an informal environment where the CEO is often second guessing peoples PTO.  Communicating differently won't resolve these issues IMHO." CreationDate="2016-08-12T15:17:36.833" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9837" PostId="3860" Score="2" Text="I think the bottom line here is that this isn't a question we as the community can rescue - it needs input from the original poster and they're probably long gone by now." CreationDate="2016-08-12T20:28:07.650" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="9803" PostId="3861" Score="1" Text="I like the sentiment, but this text is too long by 120 characters not including the link.  It'll need to be tightened up." CreationDate="2016-08-12T03:51:04.633" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9831" PostId="3861" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - Updated" CreationDate="2016-08-12T17:59:01.773" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9835" PostId="3861" Score="0" Text="Do you think it would be better to link to the [specific meta post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2693/custom-off-topic-close-reasons-change/2696#2696) about this close reason? That would also need to be updated to match the changes." CreationDate="2016-08-12T19:07:34.133" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9838" PostId="3861" Score="0" Text="@David K I am open to putting the link elsewhere if someone has a better suggestion" CreationDate="2016-08-12T20:51:46.590" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9839" PostId="3861" Score="1" Text="Linking to the specific meta post is a good idea; thanks.  (When we update the reason we need to remember to update the quoted text in that post, too.)" CreationDate="2016-08-12T20:56:32.237" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9899" PostId="3861" Score="2" Text="I like this answer,  the word &quot;advice&quot; has stuck in my craw for some time, as that is EXACTLY what we are doing, giving advice.  I think Chad's rewording is a good one" CreationDate="2016-08-24T13:43:11.380" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9806" PostId="3862" Score="0" Text="I think I told a guy to change his nappy once... unsure if that counts" CreationDate="2016-08-12T13:05:55.543" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9795" PostId="3863" Score="1" Text="Wiki worthy, except it's a double edged sword.  This amounts to &quot;How to troll: 101&quot;  Be careful with this." CreationDate="2016-08-11T17:13:13.410" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9796" PostId="3863" Score="0" Text="Could you please add spaces between the samples? Or was it intended to be like this (due to offensive amount of... offensive)?" CreationDate="2016-08-11T17:34:24.797" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="9798" PostId="3863" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I think that over here it's really not as dangerous as it could be at some other sites / forums. Thanks to regulars culture and solid tooling to handle stuff like that, Stack Exchange is [known to be hard to troll](http://i.stack.imgur.com/a0jCv.png)" CreationDate="2016-08-11T18:23:21.940" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9799" PostId="3863" Score="0" Text="@gnat, yes hard, but not impossible.  IF I put forth half an effort, I could do it.  Fortunately, I am old and unmotivated.  And, because my tricks would work, I'm not posting them.  But yes, SE is harder to troll." CreationDate="2016-08-11T18:26:09.040" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9800" PostId="3863" Score="0" Text="I recognize some of these as being snipes aimed at me!" CreationDate="2016-08-11T21:01:34.730" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9805" PostId="3863" Score="2" Text="While most of these are rude, some of these I think are acceptable. For example, &quot;Whether or not management might actually consider this is highly dependent on the culture of the company.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-08-12T12:44:41.420" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9813" PostId="3863" Score="0" Text="If something is listed here, does that indicate that it was flagged and action was then taken?" CreationDate="2016-08-12T14:09:43.937" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9815" PostId="3863" Score="0" Text="Yes, @Lumberjack" CreationDate="2016-08-12T14:14:11.403" UserId="33683" />
  <row Id="9801" PostId="3865" Score="0" Text="removal of &quot;real&quot; feels surprisingly smooth. But &quot;questions have answers&quot; sounds a bit abstract. How about borrowing a little clarification from the article linked from that phrase? &quot;Questions have _answers_, not _items_ or _ideas_ or _opinions_&quot;" CreationDate="2016-08-11T21:41:10.070" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9802" PostId="3865" Score="1" Text="@gnat, I like that both because it removes ambiguity and because it changes the response from the title of the article to the takeaway from the article." CreationDate="2016-08-11T21:50:56.400" UserId="52776" />
  <row Id="9804" PostId="3866" Score="0" Text="IMO a bit too strict.  Name calling is not always inappropriate.  If someone were to ask if it were appropriate to disable a smoke detector, it would be proper to call them foolish, or to call it a foolish action.  Stereotypes... a bit of a slippery slope, as they are caricatures and flanderizations of actual traits.  Tell me that Germans don't tend to be overbearing, and I'll cite my entire family as a counter example.  Then of course, there are actions that are rude in some cultures and acceptable to others.  trying to get down to the minutia is an exercise in futility" CreationDate="2016-08-12T12:42:45.060" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9807" PostId="3866" Score="2" Text="@RichardU no, name-calling isn't ok.  You can talk about an *action* without denigrating a *person*.  Note that this doesn't just mean moving the adjective; saying it would be &quot;foolish&quot; to do X is pretty close to calling the person doing it a fool.  But do you really need to make a value judgement at all?  Instead of *sharing your opinion about it*, you can *explain the consequences*.  Show, don't tell.  Or, as you said in your last sentence, edit to avoid the problem." CreationDate="2016-08-12T13:19:59.403" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9810" PostId="3866" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio If you cannot say what you mean you cannot mean what you say.  To extend your logic, this very question should be deleted as it is requiring a value judgment on what is rude.  Then, of course, I could plead &quot;Asperger's Syndrome&quot; every time I post something remotely offensive and am called on it.  What is rude also varies by cultures.  Should we default to the Japanese cultural way of responding?  If som, you're going to have to raise the size limits for comments, as we'll run out of characters before expressing the proper deferrence" CreationDate="2016-08-12T13:34:46.973" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9811" PostId="3866" Score="1" Text="@RichardU actually, if you read the question again, you'll see that I asked *what has been removed as rude*.  (Technically this answer doesn't answer that question.)  It's possible to be nice without being verbose or going to extremes.  If somebody can't be nice, *for whatever reason*, he should refrain from whatever activity brings out the rudeness in him.  If you want to discuss our standards further, please bring it up somewhere other than these comments." CreationDate="2016-08-12T14:02:33.953" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9814" PostId="3866" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio &quot;If you want to discuss our standards further, please bring it up somewhere other than these comments.&quot; What, why?" CreationDate="2016-08-12T14:12:04.377" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9816" PostId="3866" Score="2" Text="@Lumberjack he has his own answer; he can do it there.  Or in chat.  Or a new meta post.  Even though meta is different, long comment threads are still unwieldy; comments are not designed for discussion.  Plus, it's all kind of off-topic on a question *about flag data*." CreationDate="2016-08-12T14:16:47.157" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9818" PostId="3866" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio I am beginning to detect something of a double standard." CreationDate="2016-08-12T14:30:31.990" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9827" PostId="3866" Score="1" Text="@richardu: I am beginning to detect something of a troll. I think/hope we are both wrong." CreationDate="2016-08-12T16:27:34.490" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9830" PostId="3866" Score="0" Text="@keshlam I've come to trust your judgment." CreationDate="2016-08-12T17:47:06.433" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9812" PostId="3867" Score="2" Text="This question asked for *data*, so technically this isn't an answer, but, that aside... I think you've misunderstood.  We're not building filters, and we still rely on human judgement.  Your hypothetical &quot;I didn't technically say that bad thing&quot; dodge won't work if the flaggers and moderators still see a rude comment.  I asked for this data because of a conversation in chat -- in which you participated -- about rudeness.  I wanted to be able to supply some examples of what's definitely over the line, to help people who are struggling to understand why their comments get deleted to improve." CreationDate="2016-08-12T14:07:41.267" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9817" PostId="3867" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio  Oh, I could supply you with all the data you could ever need, as I trolled several forums into extinction when I was young and obnoxious. But if you want some data, it's an exhaustive list." CreationDate="2016-08-12T14:28:26.607" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9819" PostId="3867" Score="0" Text="http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3672/should-we-selectively-apply-the-rules-to-defend-our-own-bias" CreationDate="2016-08-12T14:35:01.893" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9820" PostId="3867" Score="2" Text="Richard, I could have gathered sample data by going through the histories of a few users here with track records, too, but I simply asked SE for the whole set (within a reasonable timeframe).  It's not meant to be a challenge or an invitation, and we'll continue to deal with trolling and rudeness as we always have." CreationDate="2016-08-12T14:35:41.313" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9825" PostId="3867" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Perhaps I am not getting it, which is of course quite possible, perhaps even likely.  What I'm trying to convey is that if you want an exhaustive list, I am quite capable of not only supplying words, but methodologies.  When I was young, I was more than a bit of a jerk.  I don't disrupt places anymore, but I know the techniques, and methods.  If you're interested in those, I can supply them." CreationDate="2016-08-12T15:27:02.643" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9826" PostId="3867" Score="2" Text="@RichardU I don't want an exhaustive list; I want a representative sample.  Exhaustive would be impossible; people will always find new ways to be offensive.  This is 90 days' worth of data; it doesn't even include the Muslim-handshake offense-o-rama." CreationDate="2016-08-12T15:58:14.227" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9828" PostId="3867" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio here's a few methodologies:  Double entendre &quot;Words can not express what I think of you&quot;.  Playing dumb is another one.  Deliberate misinterpretations, Hiding behind a disability &quot;I've got Asperger's syndrome, so you just have to deal with it&quot;  (not one I use, I am actually embarrassed when I come across as rude, but I've seen others do it.)  then there are the people who fake being offended to get someone else in trouble, as well as the ones skilled in baiting people." CreationDate="2016-08-12T17:25:28.793" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9829" PostId="3868" Score="1" Text="at least 3 of 5 close votes went to [original revision](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/72409/1) of the question. I just re-checked this in my profile: my vote is dated Jul 31 and I am third who voted there" CreationDate="2016-08-12T17:47:01.040" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9832" PostId="3870" Score="0" Text="I was thinking the same thing if it gets reopened I would vote to close it as a duplicate.  Perhaps a mod could do that and just avoid the process?" CreationDate="2016-08-12T18:09:07.323" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9833" PostId="3870" Score="2" Text="Duplicate of the second one sounds reasonable to me.  The &quot;very bad reason&quot; aspect is an important part of the current question." CreationDate="2016-08-12T18:12:57.353" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9834" PostId="3870" Score="1" Text="I've always wondered what the process should be for a question that was closed for one reason, edited to fix it, but still off-topic for another reason." CreationDate="2016-08-12T19:03:08.447" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9840" PostId="3870" Score="1" Text="@DavidK if a question closed for some other reason turns out to be a duplicate we should re-close as the dupe instead.  Dupes help with navigation.  Among the other reasons I don't think it matters much, unless the reason used is actively giving bad signal to readers or something.  Sometimes the lines are fuzzy, particularly when &quot;unclear&quot; is involved." CreationDate="2016-08-12T20:58:25.410" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9846" PostId="3870" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio at Programmers I sometimes flag asking moderator to re-close with different reason. It happens when edit makes current reason blatantly incorrect (and when question is not on a way to [auto-deletion](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/177675/165773)) - _very_ infrequently - once, maybe twice a year" CreationDate="2016-08-13T10:10:40.947" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9841" PostId="3871" Score="1" Text="I suspect the context of the question may have influenced the decision (which I fully support as being the right choice) to close the question before it started attracting trash." CreationDate="2016-08-12T21:09:49.447" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9836" PostId="3872" Score="0" Text="After seeing that, I did edit the question slightly to include OP's comments since the question was closed.  Hopefully that helps." CreationDate="2016-08-12T19:20:59.540" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9845" PostId="3872" Score="6" Text="I think this needs input from the OP before it can be reopened. There's a world of difference between working with heavy machinery in a strongly secular country and working in a religious institution a strongly Muslim country." CreationDate="2016-08-13T06:52:34.703" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="9847" PostId="3872" Score="1" Text="@PhilipKendall I hope that OP returns to make the edits, but I disagree that they required for this to be a useful question.  [This related question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/13216/are-beards-perceived-as-unprofessional-in-the-workplace) makes no mention of the industry or the culture, yet it has some great answers." CreationDate="2016-08-13T14:11:50.820" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9842" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="It's not so much the unhelpful that is the problem we deal with those already with the not an answer flag.  The problem is the I dont like your question so I am going to tell you what I think.  They are not unhelpful nor are they helpful they are really the not a real answer version of an answer.  They barely crawl over the bar of providing a solution (dont do that) but the overt intent is to provide a podium from which the answerer can lecture on their perception of the problem." CreationDate="2016-08-13T00:10:03.463" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9843" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="@Chad, I think we're abstracting too much—it is hard to make conclusions that apply so generally.  Too give a specific example: Read [this question](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/13593/47537) and its answers.  Those answers are *very* helpful, and are actually quite nice thereby—even the blunt ones.  My statements above certainly apply there (I feel no need to modify them based on that link).  Do you have another specific instance to cite?" CreationDate="2016-08-13T00:15:14.977" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="9848" PostId="3874" Score="0" Text="I am confused. &quot;'You are asking the wrong question; what you actually need to know is _____' is helpful, but not very nice.&quot; How is that? Wrtten that way, its completely without any positive or negative connotation. Its simply pointing out a fact. How else would you say it? Why do you think such a statement is rude or inpolite?" CreationDate="2016-08-13T18:22:14.757" UserId="2380" />
  <row Id="9851" PostId="3874" Score="1" Text="@Wildcard - I disagree that the most blunt answer there is helpful at all.  It is basically 2 paragraphs of beating up the OP.  None of it is explained why employers have a problem with the actions that are listed.  Which while pretty obvious to you and I are apparently not so obvious to the OP." CreationDate="2016-08-15T15:07:02.907" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9853" PostId="3874" Score="1" Text="Sometimes you need to get people's attention, and I can give someone a thorough dressing down which will make them WISH I had merely thrown a simple ad hominem their way." CreationDate="2016-08-16T16:44:13.310" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9855" PostId="3877" Score="3" Text="I tend to vote down _all_ the cross-posts when asker isn't [forthright  about this](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/141824/165773) - because this is netiquette norm that long precedes Stack Exchange (and will likely be there long after SE is gone). In this case though this seems to be not the case - to me that means cross posting is not an issue here" CreationDate="2016-08-18T15:03:27.427" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9857" PostId="3877" Score="1" Text="Seemed like a legit question to pose here, theory was way out there with the space cadets, but many questions are." CreationDate="2016-08-18T19:12:00.823" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9854" PostId="3878" Score="3" Text="I agree with this. Questions that are cross-posted at Workplace and Academia, or Mathematics and Statistics, are going to get pretty much the same answer at both sites. This particular question will get an economic theory answer at Economics and a people management answer here at the Workplace." CreationDate="2016-08-18T13:15:28.260" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9856" PostId="3878" Score="3" Text="I also agree with this but that's because I asked the question! :) You'll notice that I queried the etiquette of it in the cross post. That's got to win me an award for being meta-meta-meta, right?" CreationDate="2016-08-18T15:48:25.393" UserId="56373" />
  <row Id="9859" PostId="3878" Score="1" Text="I'd argue that it's not an exception, it's just not a real cross-post." CreationDate="2016-08-18T19:32:27.823" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9860" PostId="3880" Score="3" Text="[This answer](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/243797/256587) in particular details why it is a bad idea to cross post." CreationDate="2016-08-19T15:41:38.327" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9861" PostId="3880" Score="0" Text="@Lumberjack Good catch, that one's kind of buried in there but it gives a good overview." CreationDate="2016-08-19T16:19:15.840" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9944" PostId="3880" Score="1" Text="Cause it might be weird:&quot; if we didn't discourage cross posting (even when the question is very much on topic in both places), we would see duplicate questions featured on the front page, which would look a bit weird.&quot; But seemingly neither is closed." CreationDate="2016-08-30T18:59:23.493" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="9863" PostId="3881" Score="1" Text="Are you sure your response was deleted as opposed to moved to chat? Also how is this related to the workplace? Sounds more like a rant." CreationDate="2016-08-19T17:48:54.003" UserId="40426" />
  <row Id="9865" PostId="3881" Score="0" Text="My question is not a complaint.  It is questioning apparently heroic efforts to preserve staus quo in the workplace." CreationDate="2016-08-19T18:12:49.530" UserDisplayName="user56401" />
  <row Id="9867" PostId="3881" Score="0" Text="My question is not asking how people would react to me wearing a skirt. I already know that real workplace reaction to me wearing a skirt is very positive.  It honestly questions heroic efforts to preserve status quo." CreationDate="2016-08-19T18:25:50.370" UserDisplayName="user56401" />
  <row Id="9868" PostId="3881" Score="5" Text="And therein lies the issue. The real workplace reaction to a man wearing a skirt is most definitely not &quot;very positive&quot;, and your refusal to even acknowledge the possibility that you might be wrong makes it difficult for anyone to take you seriously." CreationDate="2016-08-19T18:35:54.987" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9871" PostId="3881" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Not all workplaces are created equal.  http://www.xmarksthescot.com/forum/f100/wearing-kilt-work-33276/" CreationDate="2016-08-19T19:16:30.307" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9872" PostId="3881" Score="1" Text="@Lumberjack I don't mean to say that the reaction will always be decidedly negative or that there don't exist ways to professionally pull off a skirt/kilt, but the blanket statement that the reaction will definitely be very positive is most certainly not correct." CreationDate="2016-08-19T19:21:53.530" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9875" PostId="3881" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Does 'back it up' apply 'round here?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2885/does-back-it-up-apply-round-here)" CreationDate="2016-08-19T20:26:11.633" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9876" PostId="3881" Score="0" Text="Dear David K,  I am not wrong in my personal experience. I may be wrong somewhere in my understandings of history or whatever. It would be interesting for anyone to share any evidence of my being wrong. A few years ago wearing cutoffs would be scandalous.  Now it appears to be universal except for salesmen. Various evidence suggests that in a few years skirts will be somewhat universal except for salesmen." CreationDate="2016-08-19T20:40:42.927" UserDisplayName="user56401" />
  <row Id="9882" PostId="3881" Score="6" Text="@tamroi then you should present that evidence.  We expect answers to back up what they say, not just assert things.  (And, informally, the more outlandish the claim, the more important it is to back it up.)" CreationDate="2016-08-19T23:01:22.947" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9884" PostId="3881" Score="3" Text="&quot;Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.&quot; Always. Everywhere." CreationDate="2016-08-20T04:23:09.770" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9886" PostId="3881" Score="0" Text="&quot;Clothing designers, retailers, and websites, are seriously promoting skirts for men.&quot; - they are? for work? In England? Your &quot;sensible&quot; answer was deleted. Do you consider this a &quot;sensible&quot; question, or are you just trolling? Have fun either way." CreationDate="2016-08-20T17:15:54.710" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9888" PostId="3881" Score="0" Text="Do you folks realize we're being trolled?  It's this guy under a new account.  http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/48356/peter-david-carter-poulsen" CreationDate="2016-08-22T12:15:09.437" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9869" PostId="3882" Score="1" Text="As one of the 6 to delete it, I concur with this and would do so again." CreationDate="2016-08-19T18:39:21.567" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="9870" PostId="3882" Score="2" Text="+1, thank you for this answer. It completely addresses why the answer was deleted without getting bogged down by whether skirts are appropriate attire or not." CreationDate="2016-08-19T18:39:24.330" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9873" PostId="3882" Score="3" Text="I think that we're seeing a sock-puppet account http://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/48356/peter-david-carter-poulsen" CreationDate="2016-08-19T19:49:07.297" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9877" PostId="3882" Score="0" Text="Let me try to clarify. I work with GNU, FSF, consumer techie service, web design, and Google. Non-usual dressing in these jobs is a plus. Try it. This is the type of job that  &quot;Is being casual unprofessional?&quot; seemed to be asking about.  I have never sought a sales job. I suspect that is different, perhaps more like hotel doorman, and requires a kind of uniform." CreationDate="2016-08-19T21:53:53.493" UserDisplayName="user56401" />
  <row Id="9878" PostId="3882" Score="6" Text="@tamroi do you live in England? Are you 17? Do you freelance with more traditional clients (which are the majority of companies)? Does wearing a skirt imbue you with a magical ability to know how to act around the clients (which was the OPs actual question)? And why are you assuming the OP is male? Your answer addresses none of this." CreationDate="2016-08-19T22:19:08.847" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9879" PostId="3882" Score="0" Text="You say my &quot;answer makes fairly.non-standard claims without attempting to explain them&quot;. I will try: &quot;Skirts are way more sensible and comfortable&quot; than trousers partly because there is no rubbing of the inner thighs and genitals. &quot;Trousers for men are the dumbest taboo there is&quot; because of its wide spread, only current, and the previous answer. I do not understand and can not answer the third bullet statement about England. I am willing to try to answer any further questioning." CreationDate="2016-08-19T22:34:14.770" UserDisplayName="user56401" />
  <row Id="9880" PostId="3882" Score="0" Text="@tamroi &quot;Trousers for men&quot; is not a taboo... it's de rigueur... If anything &quot;skirts for men&quot; is the taboo. So even your text doesn't make sense. A &quot;taboo&quot; is a thing that you are discouraged or prohibited by your culture from doing. As far as I know, no Western culture prohibits men from wearing trousers." CreationDate="2016-08-19T22:39:21.717" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="9881" PostId="3882" Score="0" Text="Dear enderland. I do not know England. I am mature and experienced. I do not know whether you regard the clients I cite as traditional. My guess is that sales versus non-sales is the clincher. Yes, I think wearing a skirt does imbue me with a cutting edge appeal. I am not assuming any gender. I am hetero male with a beard. Skirts are presumably also fine for non-males." CreationDate="2016-08-19T22:56:00.987" UserDisplayName="user56401" />
  <row Id="9883" PostId="3882" Score="0" Text="Dear Catija, Thanks for correcting my semi-grammatical mistake. You are correct that 'taboo' is something socially prohibited. More correct would be 'Skirts for men is the dumbest taboo there is'." CreationDate="2016-08-19T23:11:48.627" UserDisplayName="user56401" />
  <row Id="9885" PostId="3883" Score="3" Text="Sorry for the nitpicking, he wasn't whinging about it on meta. He was whinging on the *main site*, we &quot;helpfully&quot; flagged to migrate his whinging here. ;)" CreationDate="2016-08-20T17:12:04.937" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9887" PostId="3883" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan well done !, how do I upvote that?" CreationDate="2016-08-20T19:25:54.113" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9890" PostId="3884" Score="6" Text="That's exactly what upvotes and downvotes are for. Nobody's suggesting deleting his posts, but if someone disagrees with the resolution he is proposing than they can downvote it. Is it a valid answer? Yes. That's why you don't delete it. Is it a good answer? That's a matter of opinion and that's where the downvotes come." CreationDate="2016-08-23T14:38:27.157" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="9891" PostId="3884" Score="5" Text="For better or for worse Stack Exchange is, by necessity, based on &quot;the wisdom of the crowds&quot;. You can try to persuade people that their opinion is wrong (assuming you could find them), but other than that you cannot change what they will or will not vote for." CreationDate="2016-08-23T14:40:56.427" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="9892" PostId="3884" Score="5" Text="Based on this user's reputation, he has a lot of upvotes too. I don't see any issue that needs addressing." CreationDate="2016-08-23T15:25:04.487" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="9895" PostId="3884" Score="3" Text="when done right blunt answers are rewarded not penalised. [Look at this example](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/1485/16) (its later revisions had to reflect the edit done to question but original wording is what gained it hundreds upvotes and made it canonical)" CreationDate="2016-08-23T16:59:03.950" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9949" PostId="3884" Score="1" Text="Kilisi is one of the more polarizing users on the site but I'd argue he's also one of the essential ones, often providing a different perspective than the core group. He has a fair amount of experience that our main demographic (IT people working exclusively in the West) lacks. He also doesn't mince words in the advice he gives, which is why he also seems to attract more downvotes than others." CreationDate="2016-09-02T07:27:18.303" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9893" PostId="3885" Score="2" Text="Honestly, the higher my rep gets, the less I am annoyed by it myself.  I don't play the point game either, but for some reason, my answers are better received.  I don't understand why, because I've seen questions we've both answered and I actually thought his to be at least as good as mine, if not better." CreationDate="2016-08-23T15:56:51.613" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9894" PostId="3885" Score="7" Text="Some people do react to style. Nature of the beast." CreationDate="2016-08-23T16:57:53.547" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9898" PostId="3886" Score="2" Text="Best answer because of this:  &quot;People can get fired or get raises or get jobs -- or not -- because of the guidance and advice here.&#xA;&#xA;You don't get a chance to just &quot;copy/paste hit compile and try!&quot; like you can on Stack Overflow.&quot;  A very deep and salient point, one we should all remember.  ***THIS*** group on SE, more than any other can be life-changing for some people, and we shouldn't take that lightly." CreationDate="2016-08-24T13:04:24.047" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9981" PostId="3886" Score="0" Text="`The answers we write here have possibility to have a lot of real life impact` this is why i didn't agree with that post. I don't really like real life example which sounds like &quot;i did so much that job, so i expect every one to do it&quot; (yes it's caricatural).  I already heard enough of the arguments like &quot;they are peoples who have no problem working 10h a day, so you shouldn't have any problem&quot;, &quot;you are expected to be passionate about IT, so instead of formation, learn of your own time&quot;. Well no thanks, and i will reject them. I agree startups require commitment though but then hire better." CreationDate="2016-09-12T07:31:43.957" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9982" PostId="3886" Score="1" Text="However i think i did upvotes kilisi more than i downvoted him. I don't upvote that often and even less when it comes to downvotes." CreationDate="2016-09-12T07:32:48.257" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9918" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="Thanks for taking a try at this.  I don't see any public documentation of this, but I just tested and the limit is in fact 400 characters.  Our other custom reasons have links to meta posts for more info, so maybe you can think about how you'd divide up this info.  Feel free to propose some meta text to go along with a shorter close reason." CreationDate="2016-08-26T03:14:41.780" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9920" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="Makes sense, thanks for checking @MonicaCellio." CreationDate="2016-08-26T06:05:54.710" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9932" PostId="3887" Score="0" Text="I think the last sentence essentially repeats what has been said before. You could consider trimming down that sentence or the earlier sentences." CreationDate="2016-08-26T17:12:33.937" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9917" PostId="3888" Score="3" Text="I think the question is very reasonable, and I voted to reopen it." CreationDate="2016-08-26T02:37:11.843" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9919" PostId="3888" Score="2" Text="at the very least, I'd remove word &quot;dreaded&quot; from the title. I'd also check and remove all value judgements from question text. Although I personally believe that this system is dreaded we have [help/dont-ask] saying: &quot;avoid asking subjective questions where … your question is just a rant in disguise: “______ sucks, am I right?”&quot;" CreationDate="2016-08-26T04:14:08.153" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9926" PostId="3888" Score="0" Text="I voted to reopen there are now for reopen votes." CreationDate="2016-08-26T14:14:45.103" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9943" PostId="3888" Score="0" Text="I thought this was a great question, and I'm glad it has been re-opened.  Thank you Monica." CreationDate="2016-08-30T16:50:09.253" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9911" PostId="3889" Score="4" Text="We ask people to provide experience-based answers, though, and this seems to be asking for exactly that.  We *don't* just want random unsupported personal opinions." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:40:49.960" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9913" PostId="3889" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio see edit" CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:49:00.890" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9914" PostId="3889" Score="0" Text="Oh, I see.  I read it as &quot;how can I do this fairly when I'm stuck with this system?&quot;, where answers could be about things like metrics, peer reviews, and whatever." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:51:06.520" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9915" PostId="3889" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I'm not sure. I could read the question being about that or I could read it about focusing exclusively on the employee morale aspect. It's not clear which the OP wants, though, and as it is written would be a huge discussion imo." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:53:48.597" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9921" PostId="3889" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio - I read it as &quot;how can I do this fairly despite being stuck in this system?&quot; Seems like a reasonable question to me, and one that many managers would like answered." CreationDate="2016-08-26T12:06:05.427" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9923" PostId="3889" Score="2" Text="I'm with you on this. That phrase alone is enough for a close in my view and while it could of course be edited out, that still seems to be the spirit of the question. The fact that the question seems to be mostly academic while also being too long and unclear only solidify the close. I think this could be edited to be on-topic but in its current state the close is correct." CreationDate="2016-08-26T12:10:37.913" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9912" PostId="3890" Score="1" Text="Just to be clear, enderland didn't vote to close.  The close-voters are Philip Kendall, Richard U, gnat, alroc, Paparazzi." CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:43:02.367" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9916" PostId="3890" Score="0" Text="I might be prolific at posting and voicing my opinion but that in no ways means I am always right :-)" CreationDate="2016-08-26T00:57:36.487" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="9976" PostId="3891" Score="1" Text="I'd always downvote + flag as spam: if a question is -4 or worse it disappears off the home page." CreationDate="2016-09-07T13:07:17.537" UserId="30647" />
  <row Id="9925" PostId="3893" Score="1" Text="I'll let others comment on how to edit your question, since I don't really understand why it was put on hold. I suspect you might get better information from the startups stackexchange site at http://startups.stackexchange.com/. Consider posting your question there and seeing what happens." CreationDate="2016-08-26T12:30:27.413" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9945" PostId="3893" Score="1" Text="A few pointers: 1) shorter is almost invariably better. Long posts aren't bad by definition but typically benefit from or even require a TLDR or highlighted core question. 2) Questions aren't put on hold as a forms of punishment. The goal is to prevent people from answering when the question needs work or is unclear so it can be improved and answers can be submitted for the most clear version of your question. That seems to have worked out here fine. I've yet to see anyone use close votes with malicious intent. 3) The odd downvote also isn't a problem and generally not something to focus on." CreationDate="2016-08-30T20:14:04.060" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9922" PostId="3894" Score="0" Text="The risks of bring a startup:s firs employee are essentially those of working for a startup. Being first may or may not get you additional ownership points; it may or may not put additional demands on you. But those will vary on a case by case basis." CreationDate="2016-08-26T12:08:41.483" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="9924" PostId="3894" Score="0" Text="@keshlam if this is the answer and anything that OP said don't really change anything, then it is the answer." CreationDate="2016-08-26T12:26:33.523" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9928" PostId="3894" Score="1" Text="This question is too discussiony and too broad.  Its not the type of question that works well at SE." CreationDate="2016-08-26T14:24:59.680" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9927" PostId="3895" Score="1" Text="I agree that the revised question would be better, but I think it would still be to broad which is why I choose not to edit the question down to something similar in the first place.  I think if the OP focused on any one of the last 3 bullets for a question it could work.  the first bullet has many duplicates already on the site." CreationDate="2016-08-26T14:23:52.733" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9929" PostId="3895" Score="0" Text="I forgot the country tags instead of putting in text in my answer i will edit accordingly. Thanks for the reminder." CreationDate="2016-08-26T14:33:00.117" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9930" PostId="3895" Score="1" Text="Using the location tags is important, but there's no need to exclude that information from the question.  In fact, it helps to say &quot;I'm in Sweden&quot; or wherever *in the question*, because the tags (on the web interface) show up down at the bottom, after the point where you needed that context." CreationDate="2016-08-26T15:34:34.000" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9931" PostId="3895" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio True." CreationDate="2016-08-26T16:19:05.123" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9933" PostId="3897" Score="4" Text="&quot;Best to let the people decide what to vote for without hindrance I reckon, it's their site.&quot; - well said!" CreationDate="2016-08-28T20:05:37.430" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="9942" PostId="3897" Score="2" Text="I want to thank you for your contributions to this site.  I always enjoy reading your answers, and I am grateful for the opportunity to understand your perspective on things." CreationDate="2016-08-30T16:38:15.087" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9934" PostId="3898" Score="1" Text="Why does it matter if they are clickable or not?" CreationDate="2016-08-29T16:33:29.743" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="9935" PostId="3898" Score="2" Text="@WorkerDrone Just to keep people from accidentally clicking on them and going to potentially NSF, or malignant sites" CreationDate="2016-08-29T16:49:59.897" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9936" PostId="3898" Score="1" Text="edits to spam posts introduce difficulties in detecting these. I think that's why canonical MSE post [referred in an answer to prior question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/3892/168) makes exception only for links to &quot;porn, viruses, or disturbing content&quot;" CreationDate="2016-08-29T17:29:51.970" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9937" PostId="3898" Score="0" Text="@RichardU wouldn't removing the link altogether would be far more effective?" CreationDate="2016-08-29T17:31:05.170" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="9938" PostId="3898" Score="0" Text="@gnat, but that's not what I'm asking.  I'm asking if links should be disabled, not deleted, thus the new question." CreationDate="2016-08-29T17:32:13.850" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9939" PostId="3898" Score="1" Text="@WorkerDrone, in another question, it was stated that it's not a good idea to remove the links because it makes moderation more difficult." CreationDate="2016-08-29T17:33:02.787" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9940" PostId="3898" Score="5" Text="@RichardU per my reading you ask about editing: &quot;should we edit the links so that they are not clickable?&quot; I believe that anti-spam system works best when posts aren't modified _at all_ - first because this way it's easier to match against prior spam posts and second because edits send wrong signal to detection heuristics, edited posts are generally considered more likely to be salvageable" CreationDate="2016-08-29T17:36:39.843" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="9941" PostId="3898" Score="0" Text="@gnat.  Okay, thanks!  That's the answer I was looking for" CreationDate="2016-08-29T17:46:20.393" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="9946" PostId="3900" Score="2" Text="Also, keep in mind that any time the OP rolls back an edit you made to their post, the reason is almost always because they disagree with the changes you have made and that is completely within their right." CreationDate="2016-09-01T12:49:33.370" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9947" PostId="3902" Score="1" Text="I think editing in the author's *own words* from comments is usually fine; do you know of cases where it was contested?  New users, in particular, tend to respond to a question in a comment with another comment instead of by editing the post.  We can try to get them to edit it themselves, but sometimes it seems expedient to just do it." CreationDate="2016-09-01T16:01:29.283" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9948" PostId="3902" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Not off the top of my head, but rejected edits or roll-backs also generally aren't very visible, particularly on answers. Some comments can be folded into the answer but some require restructuring it or otherwise doing more than a simple paste. I very often end up defending my answer in the comments but I'd almost never accept an edit that copies part of those comments into my answer. (I think I've rejected/improved one such edit before but it was a while back.)" CreationDate="2016-09-01T16:27:34.270" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9950" PostId="3902" Score="0" Text="I would add to this improving an answer by adding references, or additional information a that bolsters the existing answer." CreationDate="2016-09-02T19:20:11.777" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9952" PostId="3902" Score="0" Text="@Chad It's not as likely to happen on this site as more technical ones as truly new information would tend to change the intent of the answer but it's a good point." CreationDate="2016-09-03T16:20:23.407" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9951" PostId="3903" Score="0" Text="have you asked it yet? I know it's allowed but haven't actually seen anyone do it, should be interesting" CreationDate="2016-09-03T13:11:44.443" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9953" PostId="3903" Score="3" Text="Under the 'ask question' button there is even a checkbox which allows you to ask and answer at the same time: http://i.stack.imgur.com/75YfV.png" CreationDate="2016-09-04T06:43:44.330" UserId="53478" />
  <row Id="9954" PostId="3903" Score="9" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is answered clearly and completely in the help center: &quot;*[Can I answer my own question?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/self-answer)*&quot;" CreationDate="2016-09-04T19:15:59.360" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9973" PostId="3903" Score="0" Text="I would consider asking in chat first and get some help to make sure its not a duplicate." CreationDate="2016-09-06T21:53:50.920" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9978" PostId="3903" Score="0" Text="Related Meta StackExchange Question: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/17845/etiquette-for-answering-your-own-question" CreationDate="2016-09-08T21:35:35.493" UserId="37216" />
  <row Id="9977" PostId="3904" Score="0" Text="@chrisG While the site clearly allows the practice, I believe the practice is often viewed in an unfavorable light.  Unless your answer question and answer are both high quality, you should expect to see some downvotes." CreationDate="2016-09-07T14:55:20.403" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="9975" PostId="3907" Score="0" Text="I was one of the close voters on this question on the main site, but I am now having second thoughts. &quot;Why do you answer questions here?&quot; is definitely off-topic, but &quot;does contributing to Workplace.SE help you in your professional career?&quot; sounds like a useful question." CreationDate="2016-09-07T06:32:52.833" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9980" PostId="3907" Score="0" Text="If I ever apply to be an astronaut, I will definitely mention my 138 rep on SE Space Exploration" CreationDate="2016-09-11T14:29:38.427" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="9971" PostId="3908" Score="3" Text="See: http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/132117/202356" CreationDate="2016-09-06T14:39:11.037" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9972" PostId="3908" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Perfect, thanks!" CreationDate="2016-09-06T14:45:29.427" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="9979" PostId="3910" Score="4" Text="Sometimes the community can do what mods won't single-handedly do, so bringing your concerns to mets is the right thing to do.  (BTW, custom mod replies to flags are very limited in length.)" CreationDate="2016-09-09T22:53:23.653" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="9984" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="I don't know that it should necessarily be deleted, but the fact that it hasn't been edited at all despite it's lack of reflection on the situation in the op, and attacks other answers on the page seems like bad president. Leaving unpopular opinion is one thing, attacking others entirely different." CreationDate="2016-09-13T16:11:46.087" UserId="4618" />
  <row Id="10011" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@ryan - What specifically do you see as attacking others in the answer?" CreationDate="2016-09-16T21:05:39.657" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10012" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@Chad, the language in her post is very specific to the op, she consistently uses the word &quot;You&quot; and then declares failure, &quot;You don't realize&quot;... &quot;You can't see&quot;, then moves on to mention again specifically &quot;the other posters here all support You&quot;. saying not just the op is wrong and insensitive but that everyone who's posted on the page is wrong and insensitive. She even flat out says it in her comment below *&quot;And **every** answer and comment was ... That belief is **wrong**&quot;*.  That isn't neutral language used for general SE posts." CreationDate="2016-09-16T21:24:18.503" UserId="4618" />
  <row Id="10013" PostId="3913" Score="1" Text="@ryan - That seems overly sensitive for someone advocating that offending people is ok." CreationDate="2016-09-16T21:26:56.627" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10014" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@Chad, who's advocating that offending people is ok? I certainty am not, but to declare everyone else on the page to be wrong, and yourself the sole source of truth? That's pretty against what SE is about." CreationDate="2016-09-16T21:29:51.293" UserId="4618" />
  <row Id="10015" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@Ryan that is exactly what SE is about.  That is why we have multiple answers and not just one editable wiki type entry.  If the only thing that the answer said was &quot;All these other answers suck and are wrong&quot; then you would be right. but the answer is well reasoned and explained." CreationDate="2016-09-16T21:31:21.417" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10016" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@Chad, multiple correct answers or ways of getting at the answer is why we have multiple answers, not to declare, he's wrong I'm right. That's why you can upvote/downvote everyone on the page, not winner take all." CreationDate="2016-09-16T21:33:14.083" UserId="4618" />
  <row Id="10017" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@ryan - unless all of the other answers are wrong...  The whole point is because sometimes people will have conflicting points of view.  The SE System allows for that" CreationDate="2016-09-16T21:33:55.270" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10018" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@Chad, but as the answerer it's not your place to declare who's right or wrong, you give objective advice, then let those that come seeking advice, the community and the OP decide that." CreationDate="2016-09-16T21:36:22.660" UserId="4618" />
  <row Id="10019" PostId="3913" Score="2" Text="As an answerer you should always believe you are right... if you do not then you should not be answering the question in the first place.  Also the question is not saying that those voices should be shouted down, just that just being the loudest voices does not make them right." CreationDate="2016-09-16T21:39:07.217" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10020" PostId="3913" Score="0" Text="@Chad, sure, I can agree with that. But that doesn't mean you declare *in your post* that everyone else is wrong." CreationDate="2016-09-16T21:40:17.477" UserId="4618" />
  <row Id="10021" PostId="3913" Score="1" Text="@ryan - I do not see that being done overtly.  Only through the fact that her answer contradicts the answers already in place.  I assume you are not trying to say that you can not have a dissenting opinion in an answer?" CreationDate="2016-09-16T21:42:55.340" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="9983" PostId="3914" Score="0" Text="To this, I'll copy a comment that someone posted on Kates answer cause it says it perfectly: &quot;*@KateGregory I'm very interested in how the specifics of the offending comment affect this answer. '**I answered to educate the OP and all others who reject any and all limits on appearance discussion.**' I'd say that this case specifically falls within reasonable limits of appearance discussion. How should one handle a situation when someone complains about comments that are well within the bounds of social acceptability? – Myles 21 hours ago*&quot;" CreationDate="2016-09-13T16:07:12.047" UserId="4618" />
  <row Id="9985" PostId="3914" Score="0" Text="@ryan well I saw that's comment, i'm not Kate, I will refer to what i said  : `some people just get offended by such trivial matters because they lack self-confidence...`. How to handle it ? Well I don't know i just think it may shows the fact that person may lack confidence, i just think she wanted to point out that it's not because most of people think it's in the bounds of social acceptability that it is, surely in some years tons of things were in the bounds of social acceptability, yet they aren't any more. Kate's answer address is more generic that specifics to OP's question" CreationDate="2016-09-13T16:16:59.747" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9986" PostId="3914" Score="0" Text="fixing my last sentence in comments... : some years **ago** ton of things  were in the bounds of social acceptability, yet they aren't any more." CreationDate="2016-09-13T20:41:39.893" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10005" PostId="3914" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat metric tons or pounds?" CreationDate="2016-09-15T14:07:58.170" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10006" PostId="3914" Score="0" Text="@RichardU i meant &quot;lot of&quot;, i guess my google trad check wasn't good :P" CreationDate="2016-09-15T14:15:42.993" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9987" PostId="3915" Score="0" Text="I agree, voted to reopen." CreationDate="2016-09-14T15:12:11.667" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="9988" PostId="3915" Score="0" Text="agree, also VTRO" CreationDate="2016-09-14T18:13:50.860" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10007" PostId="3915" Score="0" Text="It's been reopened and I've gone ahead and edited the title so it's a bit more general. Tags look good." CreationDate="2016-09-15T19:32:59.053" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="9992" PostId="3916" Score="3" Text="Considering the OP state that he didn't want to spoil his image at company, reporting a single slap to the police seems to be even a worst idea, though i agree that physical retaliation can either stop the bully or get worst, it's asking the OP to take a risky gamble." CreationDate="2016-09-15T06:51:18.393" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="9994" PostId="3916" Score="0" Text="[Relevant question on DIY meta](http://meta.diy.stackexchange.com/questions/70/dangerous-answers)." CreationDate="2016-09-15T08:12:51.583" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10000" PostId="3916" Score="9" Text="Same way any other question is handled." CreationDate="2016-09-15T12:30:47.730" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10023" PostId="3916" Score="7" Text="What is the purpose of this question?  Are you advocating for censoring the answer?" CreationDate="2016-09-17T18:56:53.697" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10024" PostId="3916" Score="8" Text="&quot;For this particular user, I have noticed this common theme in many of his answers. A theme of distrust of the established system of law is evident.&quot;  What bearing does this have on your question?" CreationDate="2016-09-17T18:58:59.203" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10027" PostId="3916" Score="1" Text="Kirsili threatened to punch me once in a comment and has suggested violence many times in answers.   I flag and mods let it continue." CreationDate="2016-09-19T12:51:32.457" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="10029" PostId="3916" Score="3" Text="@Paparazzi - Just because you did not see any action taken does not mean that no action was taken.  With a few rare exceptional situations actions taken against users by the powers that be are kept private." CreationDate="2016-09-19T14:23:48.583" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10031" PostId="3916" Score="1" Text="@Paparazzi you may see the effects of the intervention but pretty rare for the mods or SE staff to comment on specific situations or actions" CreationDate="2016-09-19T14:33:16.167" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10033" PostId="3916" Score="0" Text="SO is a self-managing site.  If you let it do what it naturally would/will do to such answers then it will be managed just fine.  If they are posting bad answers they will be downvoted and/or removed and the user's reputation will dry up." CreationDate="2016-09-19T17:34:32.660" UserId="44146" />
  <row Id="10035" PostId="3916" Score="4" Text="This isn't really an answer to this question (which already seems to have been answered well, IMO,) but on the question you're asking about, it's important to note cultural differences. If this had happened in most parts of the West, what you say would be completely right. However, the whole world is not the West. In some cultures, defending yourself would be viewed as the correct action against a bully and in some cultures the police would laugh at you for reporting that someone slapped you. Whether it was 'criminal assault' depends on local law that might not be the same as you're used to." CreationDate="2016-09-20T01:21:14.777" UserId="17337" />
  <row Id="10036" PostId="3916" Score="2" Text="Related: [Penalizing blunt answers](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3884/penalizing-blunt-answers)" CreationDate="2016-09-20T11:10:57.253" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="10062" PostId="3916" Score="3" Text="The OP of the post was attacked, Kilisi suggested an appropriate response given the attack.  @Anthony isn't comfortable with people defending themselves and gets upset.  Then he runs to meta to tell on Kilisi.  Just want to make sure I'm on the same page." CreationDate="2016-09-22T14:19:28.783" UserId="50741" />
  <row Id="10064" PostId="3916" Score="1" Text="__Many comments removed.__ Remember to __be nice__." CreationDate="2016-09-23T20:22:38.040" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15860" PostId="3916" Score="0" Text="What does &quot;have DV&quot; means ? [Wikipedia page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DV_(disambiguation)) for this is not helping me understand it." CreationDate="2018-07-09T19:20:28.020" UserId="76073" />
  <row Id="9999" PostId="3917" Score="3" Text="Good points, many answers may be disagreed with, and I like the fact that, in almost all cases, it is the community that gets to discuss, debate, and dispute.  Here, community standards are truly community standards and not what someone in an office decides what they should be." CreationDate="2016-09-15T12:30:08.443" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10008" PostId="3917" Score="7" Text="Good answer, I totally agree" CreationDate="2016-09-16T06:58:30.600" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10034" PostId="3917" Score="4" Text="I don't believe you should list editing it as an option. An edit should not change the intended message of the original author. I do agree if it's offensive you should flag it, and with delete votes from high rep users *if and only if* it is determined that the post harms the community by existing more than it helps, which in my experience is rather rare. And of course, I always advocate comments to leave feedback. I'd also add to this answer &quot;Make a meta post to reach community consensus&quot;." CreationDate="2016-09-19T20:02:10.067" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="10043" PostId="3917" Score="2" Text="@corsiKa.  I agree with the editing.  A few times, mine have been edited because someone got their knickers in a twist.  Believe it or not, the post that so offended the person was one where I used the word &quot;he&quot;.  I went right back and put all of the &quot;he&quot;s back where I had them." CreationDate="2016-09-20T19:22:52.527" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10026" PostId="3920" Score="4" Text="&quot;We all think we're correct.&quot;  I don't ;)" CreationDate="2016-09-19T12:48:34.820" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10032" PostId="3920" Score="5" Text="@RichardU except you.. the exception that proves the rule" CreationDate="2016-09-19T16:50:58.413" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10040" PostId="3922" Score="1" Text="this seems like a reasonable question to me" CreationDate="2016-09-20T16:08:04.760" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="10061" PostId="3922" Score="3" Text="As others have answered below a construction site is a workplace so the environment isn't a criteria. But the examples you give here all seem to have more to do with health and safety or technical support which isn't what we deal with here. To borrow Richard's example, &quot;How do I argue for better maintenance of our forklifts?&quot; is fine, &quot;What do I do when my forklift breaks down?&quot; isn't. The answer to the latter is invariable &quot;follow company policy&quot; or &quot;do what you've been trained/taught to do&quot;." CreationDate="2016-09-22T07:37:45.200" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10057" PostId="3926" Score="2" Text="I agree.  I started as a laborer and truck driver, I'd like to see more questions like that as well." CreationDate="2016-09-21T14:24:29.423" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10058" PostId="3927" Score="2" Text="&quot;that's something that other disabilities don't have to face&quot; - actually, it may be something a larger subset of people share: those whose disability (or other issue) isn't immediately obvious; that could include a host of mental health issues but also physical conditions that aren't immediately obvious. It may even be applicable to deaf people if they have to interact with people who don't know them yet. In any case, I'd be very interested to see your question :)" CreationDate="2016-09-21T17:45:15.423" UserId="57567" />
  <row Id="10059" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="@SurprisedEuropean I'm also hearing impaired, but not deaf, so that causes some interesting reactions.  When I don't hear someone and they assume I'm being rude, and explain that I can't hear well, they're very apologetic.  Not the case when I try to explain AS.  that's just my personal experience though" CreationDate="2016-09-21T18:26:43.630" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10060" PostId="3927" Score="7" Text="&quot;Autism Spectrum has some fairly unique problems&quot; - if you express the question in terms of the unique problems, rather than about autism, it's unlikely to get closed as a duplicate. Pretty much by definition, the uniqueness will prevent duplication." CreationDate="2016-09-21T18:30:09.200" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10727" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="I had a feeling you were an Aspie as well @RichardU.  Same here.  Likely the reason why we kept clashing on the issue of &quot;style&quot; in post responses......" CreationDate="2016-11-30T15:52:31.530" UserId="58533" />
  <row Id="10742" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="@NZKshatriya LOL!  Fair enough.  I'll take that into account in the future. :D  No worries, I like you." CreationDate="2016-11-30T18:34:20.877" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10757" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="LOL as well.  I had no hard feelings, just saw the back and forth as somewhat silly in retrospect." CreationDate="2016-11-30T22:54:09.763" UserId="58533" />
  <row Id="10759" PostId="3927" Score="0" Text="@NZKshatriya agreed" CreationDate="2016-11-30T23:59:04.653" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10065" PostId="3932" Score="2" Text="Good to note that his final question could be interpreted as &quot;What analysis techniques could I use to rationalise a decision of this importance?&quot; or &quot;How can I make a rational decision based on the evidence I have and my fear of bias?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-09-27T16:17:01.967" UserId="22885" />
  <row Id="10066" PostId="3932" Score="0" Text="I was one of the VTC.  you make a strong argument.I'll consider your argument overnight." CreationDate="2016-09-27T18:27:17.130" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10072" PostId="3932" Score="0" Text="It's been reopened." CreationDate="2016-09-28T13:56:52.487" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10075" PostId="3935" Score="1" Text="So it's basically ok to change the content and meaning of someone else's question/answer, just as long as you do it anonymously and assume that the reviewers will think it's the OP who's forgotten their password?" CreationDate="2016-09-29T13:05:49.760" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="10076" PostId="3935" Score="3" Text="@Pete - when you say it that way, it does indeed seem foolish to allow anonymous changes." CreationDate="2016-09-29T14:03:57.373" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10077" PostId="3935" Score="0" Text="Yes, I certainly looks that way from the point of view of a non-moderator.  It seems likely that a moderator approved the edit based on IP/cookie lookups (anon user = OP).  From my viewpoint, the approved edit looks not different from a non-mod looking at the edit review screen and just stabbing the &quot;OK&quot; button.  I'm guessing that the question of allowing anonymous editing has been long discussed and approved (I have no idea why though)." CreationDate="2016-09-29T14:08:32.973" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="10078" PostId="3935" Score="1" Text="@enderland Thanks for the extra information. I can now see this could have been a moderator approval and the edit was the OP.  However, I don't agree that unregistered users should be allowed to edit posts - it makes no sense at all to me, especially as the &quot;forgot password&quot; process is so simple." CreationDate="2016-09-29T14:11:07.143" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="10079" PostId="3935" Score="6" Text="In my experience, even as a moderator, the overwhelming majority of users on Stack Exchange are well intentioned. I am far less worried about malicious users suggesting anonymous edits than I am new users being confused by the interface or losing access to their first account. While I am sure there have been edits suggested intentionally in this way, I suspect it's a very small percentage of the total edits. Maybe I'm too optimistic (I am always smiling, after all ;)." CreationDate="2016-09-29T14:26:40.163" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10080" PostId="3935" Score="3" Text="@enderland Also, SE is famous for shutting down trolls to the point many don't bother, and they communicate to other trolls that we are just no fun." CreationDate="2016-09-29T14:27:36.893" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10081" PostId="3936" Score="0" Text="Thanks Philip.  It looks as though the thread has now been closed and the added edits have now been removed by another moderator.  I agree that this situation probably doesn't happen that often, but I'm still somewhat surprised that anonymous users are allowed to edit posts.  Users who go through the effort of creating an SE account must surely be able to handle the &quot;forgotten password&quot; routine that's so prevalent on every online community.  Especially this guy who says he's a computer programmer.  But, I guess this is how the SE world works and I shouldn't really get too worried about it." CreationDate="2016-09-30T06:19:16.667" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="10082" PostId="3937" Score="0" Text="(And it’s hardly difficult to type, AltGr+e is not a difficult key combination.)" CreationDate="2016-10-01T10:59:39.367" UserId="362" />
  <row Id="10084" PostId="3937" Score="0" Text="Considering standard American keyboards don't have an AltGr key, yes, it is difficult. There are Alt+xxxx combinations for non-standard characters, but since American English does not typically use accented characters, I would not expect anyone to know what they are." CreationDate="2016-10-03T12:17:32.293" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10083" PostId="3939" Score="0" Text="Nice, thanks. :)" CreationDate="2016-10-02T10:14:08.930" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10085" PostId="3939" Score="0" Text="That tag merger will probably aggravate a good deal many people with Asperger's Syndrome.  Just a heads up.  It's a touchy subject." CreationDate="2016-10-03T13:29:07.023" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10086" PostId="3939" Score="0" Text="@RichardU It's the correct term as per DSM-V. It's not the only touchy subject we deal with on this site and if people want to complain they can contact the American Psychiatric Association that created these definitions. :)" CreationDate="2016-10-04T08:09:08.307" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10087" PostId="3939" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal The APA has gotten a good deal of heat from the change from the DSM-IV to the DSM-V and the declassification of AS as a disorder and rolling it into PDD umbrella as ASD.  I'm not one of those people with an axe to grind, just letting you know that they're out there.  As for me, you can call me anything so long as you don't call me late for dinner." CreationDate="2016-10-04T12:03:59.393" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10095" PostId="3939" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Fair, I'll keep it in mind. :)" CreationDate="2016-10-04T16:03:14.707" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10102" PostId="3941" Score="0" Text="Always wondered briefly how people use formatting in comments, too lazy to try it myself though. They're only comments." CreationDate="2016-10-06T07:49:48.587" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10103" PostId="3941" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi Formatting used in posts mostly also works in comments, e.g. `**` or `*`. Some things have shortened versions, e.g. using `[name](link)` format for links rather than `[name][1]...[1]: link`. When writing a comment, you can check out the help button on the side for details." CreationDate="2016-10-06T10:39:53.423" UserId="43309" />
  <row Id="10109" PostId="3941" Score="0" Text="Related question on English Language and Usage Meta: [Should we fix backticks?](http://meta.english.stackexchange.com/q/3358/145966)" CreationDate="2016-10-06T15:06:02.850" UserId="46599" />
  <row Id="10112" PostId="3941" Score="3" Text="**hmmm** _vaguely interesting_" CreationDate="2016-10-07T06:43:59.743" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10088" PostId="3942" Score="7" Text="I hadn't considered screen readers at all. That's a pretty good point." CreationDate="2016-10-04T12:15:36.017" UserId="43309" />
  <row Id="10101" PostId="3942" Score="0" Text="Maybe backticks simply should not work on sites like this one?" CreationDate="2016-10-05T15:05:53.170" UserId="2149" />
  <row Id="10104" PostId="3942" Score="2" Text="@svick They aren't needed often but they *do* have their uses, even on non-technical sites. OP's [comment above](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3941/do-code-backticks-really-have-a-use-on-this-site/3942?noredirect=1#comment10103_3941) is just one example." CreationDate="2016-10-06T12:20:47.423" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10110" PostId="3942" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I do agree that the code markup is a 'formatting killer', in the sense useful if you wanted to explain some part of formatting itself that would otherwise be parsed." CreationDate="2016-10-06T19:41:47.150" UserId="43309" />
  <row Id="10090" PostId="3943" Score="1" Text="_Using italics is the only other real option..._ this really doesn't work that nicely." CreationDate="2016-10-04T12:35:22.550" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10091" PostId="3943" Score="2" Text="`Using italics is the only other real option...` this really is more obvious." CreationDate="2016-10-04T12:35:32.330" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10092" PostId="3943" Score="1" Text="__Using italics is the only other real option...__ AHHHHH why the yelling!" CreationDate="2016-10-04T12:35:42.257" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10093" PostId="3943" Score="1" Text="&quot;Using italics is the only other real option...&quot; this is hard to see, particularly in longer comments that run on and on and on and on." CreationDate="2016-10-04T12:35:58.693" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10094" PostId="3943" Score="0" Text="The code formatting is quite similar to blockquotes used in questions/answers, that's why this happens. And unfortunately there is no real way to quote something in the comments(like we do in blockquotes)." CreationDate="2016-10-04T13:07:52.657" UserId="43309" />
  <row Id="10096" PostId="3943" Score="5" Text="But I'd say that something like this: &quot;*Using italics [and quotation marks] is the only other real option...*&quot; works fine, even in a full text. Why would quoted text need to be obvious anyway? Almost always the original text will be right there in the post that you're commenting on..." CreationDate="2016-10-04T16:06:45.727" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10097" PostId="3943" Score="0" Text="*&quot;Hmm, let me see if this works.&quot;*&lt;br&gt;Wait and see..." CreationDate="2016-10-04T18:21:31.400" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10098" PostId="3943" Score="0" Text="Meh, why not? This &lt;s&gt;sucks &lt;/s&gt; is disappointing." CreationDate="2016-10-04T18:22:48.423" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10099" PostId="3943" Score="0" Text="Oh I get it. Let me post an answer." CreationDate="2016-10-04T18:24:49.453" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10130" PostId="3943" Score="0" Text="I agree with this.  Quotes or italics work fine when integrating a quote into a sentence, but not when providing context for a response to a small excerpt of an answer.  `Italics are a bad way of doing this.` Right you are, Bob.  &lt;-- much more clear, IMO.  If it could have the highlighting without being fixed-width text, though, that would be great.  It's similar to the in-post quoting feature with the `&gt;` prefix." CreationDate="2016-10-08T02:38:12.323" UserId="1419" />
  <row Id="10147" PostId="3943" Score="0" Text="I agree with enderland. There is a reason email programs and forums have special markup for quoting a previous post, and that it is obvious you are referring to (possibly a *part* of) something said previously. Using quote symbols isn't nearly as clear, and italics and bold just look like emphasis. A better approach would be new markup (perhaps **two** backticks?) which renders the text with normal font (rather than monospaced) but with a reasonably obvious background (light orange, maybe). Another problem with quotes is: what if the text being quoted has quote symbols in it?" CreationDate="2016-10-12T01:16:12.617" UserId="43661" />
  <row Id="10172" PostId="3943" Score="1" Text="If backticks only changed the visual presentation of the text, it’d be fine to use them. But they also wrap it in the `&lt;code&gt;` HTML tag." CreationDate="2016-10-15T12:11:15.907" UserId="16970" />
  <row Id="10100" PostId="3944" Score="3" Text="they call this $thing$ MathJax. [Very useful to manage hot questions](http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/8176/please-add-mathjax#comment25453_8176 &quot;'it allows any 2K user decide whether to put a question in or out of hot-questions list by simply editing it in and out of the title..  just put $ signs around innocently looking number in the title and voila, question gets off the HNQ...'&quot;)" CreationDate="2016-10-04T20:33:50.627" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10114" PostId="3944" Score="1" Text="&quot;*in most cases, not using comments for the intended purpose.*&quot; See [this comment](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3941/do-code-backticks-really-have-a-use-on-this-site?cb=1#comment10114_3944) for why that's not really the case." CreationDate="2016-10-07T16:37:59.777" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10133" PostId="3944" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal &quot;See this comment for why that's not really the case.&quot; In those cases, quoting the user using quotation marks is sufficient. (as your own comment shows.)" CreationDate="2016-10-08T15:07:58.027" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10134" PostId="3944" Score="0" Text="Eh, well yes. But the point is that there are plenty of times when quoting someone is perfectly appropriate." CreationDate="2016-10-08T16:42:11.363" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10111" PostId="3946" Score="0" Text="Thanks for posting this question -- I wouldn't mind changing the question to the one you mentioned as I think its fair to assume whether a company chooses to do it as their own practice or not (that is probably the part where people think the question is &quot;opinion based&quot;). I'm already satisfied with the answers I've gotten." CreationDate="2016-10-06T20:11:51.610" UserId="37216" />
  <row Id="10108" PostId="3947" Score="0" Text="The question is not what should my company do, but rather is it a good idea for any company to do it." CreationDate="2016-10-06T14:16:23.493" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10113" PostId="3949" Score="0" Text="I inadvertently migrated it to academia, too, I didn't realize they don't take questions regarding non-college level questions.." CreationDate="2016-10-07T16:25:19.283" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10115" PostId="3949" Score="1" Text="@enderland - I didnt either I thought It would be a good question for them." CreationDate="2016-10-07T16:44:35.073" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10173" PostId="3949" Score="1" Text="The question has too much missing information for it to be meaningfully answerable." CreationDate="2016-10-15T22:49:35.783" UserId="519" />
  <row Id="10200" PostId="3949" Score="3" Text="For the benefit of low-rep users, what is the content of the question?" CreationDate="2016-10-19T11:39:32.807" UserId="18654" />
  <row Id="20833" PostId="3949" Score="0" Text="Isn't this the plot of [*The Human Stain*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Human_Stain) by Philip Roth?" CreationDate="2019-12-10T08:00:01.873" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="10116" PostId="3950" Score="7" Text="but it doesn't make any sense. &quot;I am being written up for telling students that we should all be polite! What should I do?&quot; The OP needs to edit it to explain why it would be bad to have said the gender thing, along with whether or not OP actually said the gender thing. My biggest problem with that question is I don't understand what the problem is." CreationDate="2016-10-07T17:58:11.313" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="10117" PostId="3950" Score="1" Text="@KateGregory It's the PC thought police, and the OP has no idea what he did wrong.  The answer is nothing, of course, but he wants to know how to smooth things over.  I've seen people crucified like this before" CreationDate="2016-10-07T19:38:28.560" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10118" PostId="3950" Score="8" Text="There may be a disconnect between the actual words used by the teacher  vs. the sentiment expressed in the question.  Without knowing the words, we can't hypothesize whether the accusation is meaningful.  Phrasing that teacher thought was &quot;politely,quietly&quot; admonishing could have been offensive.  How to handle a false accusation is different from how to handle poor choice of words." CreationDate="2016-10-07T19:51:44.017" UserId="3345" />
  <row Id="10119" PostId="3950" Score="0" Text="@cdkMoose It sounds like a false accusation." CreationDate="2016-10-07T19:56:48.487" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10120" PostId="3950" Score="6" Text="Certainly sounds like OP thinks it is, but is (s)he objective enough?  I grew up in a very ethnically isolated area.  When I first moved to a more urban setting, I am certain that I made unknowingly rude/insensitive comments.  I have since spent my entire working life in culturally and ethnically diverse environments and am much more cognizant of those issues.  Not sure where OP is on that spectrum" CreationDate="2016-10-07T20:10:27.110" UserId="3345" />
  <row Id="10121" PostId="3950" Score="1" Text="@cdkMoose The OP made a point of having been exposed to a broad spectrum of people.  It sounds like cases that I have been involved in. ,  I was defending people who were accused, in some cases against people offended on my behalf.  Another thing that is a dead giveaway is the fact that the OP was given no opportunity to speak on their own behalf." CreationDate="2016-10-07T20:15:38.620" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10122" PostId="3950" Score="2" Text="Didn't see anything to that effect in the suggested edit and I didn't reread the original, sorry.  I certainly understand your perspective but I've also seen &quot;educated&quot; people insist their insensitive remark wasn't insensitive." CreationDate="2016-10-07T20:31:06.127" UserId="3345" />
  <row Id="10123" PostId="3950" Score="2" Text="@cdkMoose Well, there is that.  I've had an &quot;educated&quot; person try to correct me about some of the disabilities I live with." CreationDate="2016-10-07T21:07:39.900" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10125" PostId="3951" Score="0" Text="Can you clarify what you are taking about? Or if you prefer, can you flag the post or question if you'd rather it be anonymous?" CreationDate="2016-10-07T22:56:04.873" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10126" PostId="3951" Score="0" Text="I'd prefer this to be about why/whether that can happen (and should it?) than about how bad is a newbie's only post." CreationDate="2016-10-07T23:30:07.887" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="10127" PostId="3951" Score="2" Text="The problem is there is no context for what you are describing and it isn't clear to me what you are talking about." CreationDate="2016-10-07T23:31:27.307" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10128" PostId="3951" Score="0" Text="@enderland Remember that you can check the review page to view low-voted posts. It's about [this one](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/77272/can-my-boss-open-and-use-my-computer-when-im-not-present/77292#77292)" CreationDate="2016-10-07T23:48:07.203" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10129" PostId="3951" Score="0" Text="Well, I followed the &quot;anonymous&quot; route, but since it's been outed, note what kind of edits were made in addition to the comments (if the deleted comments are retrievable).  I'm against deleting bad answers unless they are dangerously bad, but if the &quot;answerer&quot; is lying or ignorant, comments saying so protect readers who are ignorant or gullible.  (Of course the down votes help.)" CreationDate="2016-10-07T23:51:40.000" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="10131" PostId="3951" Score="0" Text="The down votes are sufficient to indicate &quot;no&quot;. Explanation of why not probably belongs in an actual Answer." CreationDate="2016-10-08T14:13:05.350" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="10132" PostId="3951" Score="0" Text="Having the refutations of a wrong answer attached to it is better than making the reader scroll around hunting to see if anyone disagrees.  But if the person who deleted them agrees with you, he/she should have put them in an answer instead of making them disappear completely.  Also, explanations of down votes should not be removed; how can people improve if we're only allowed to tell them “You're wrong, or we don’t like you or you haven’t expressed it well, but we won’t tell you which“?" CreationDate="2016-10-08T15:04:52.107" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="10135" PostId="3951" Score="0" Text="You seem to have missed the tooltip that shows up when you downvote: &quot;Please consider leaving a comment so that moderators can delete it.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-10-08T17:25:12.843" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10144" PostId="3951" Score="1" Text="That answer was largely flame-bait, and entirely successful in that regard.  Comments are for improving the answer through constructive comments.  Nothing good came from this particular answer or it's comments." CreationDate="2016-10-10T13:42:29.803" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10137" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="Most of the comments DID say why it was wrong.  Now none of them do.  And none of them were as &quot;rude and offensive&quot; as the first version of the (wrong) answer.  A down vote does not point out that an &quot;answer&quot; contains several false statements.  It says that it MAY have that, or it MAY be irrelevant or it MAY be written by someone the downvoter doesn't like or ….  Pop-up recommends we explain which of those apply.  Removing those explanations goes against that.  Perhaps many &quot;inane&quot; comments were added after the last time I saw it.  If so, why remove the numerous good ones." CreationDate="2016-10-08T20:11:25.233" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="10138" PostId="3953" Score="3" Text="There were two comments there that were remotely appropriate in terms of providing that sort of constructive criticism to the answer. I have undeleted them. Note that there are still __TWENTY__ deleted comments on the answer, all of which are not worth undeleting." CreationDate="2016-10-08T20:24:54.973" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10139" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="Having read more than two, I disagree, but this argument has gone on long enough." CreationDate="2016-10-08T22:16:43.437" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="10140" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="Speaking generally, comments that say &quot;*This is factually wrong because X, Y and Z*&quot; should be perfectly fine." CreationDate="2016-10-09T14:53:08.187" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10141" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal speaking generally, I agree.  That generalization doesn't apply to the deleted comments here, though." CreationDate="2016-10-09T19:39:15.217" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10142" PostId="3953" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio Of course, I didn't follow this particular situation at all and can't view deleted comments, I just wanted to clarify that as far as I know commenting to explain the problems a post has is fine, **as long as that's really what you're doing** (i.e. you're not just jumping on the insult bandwagon)." CreationDate="2016-10-09T20:20:18.203" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10143" PostId="3953" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I clarified" CreationDate="2016-10-10T00:09:21.490" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10146" PostId="3954" Score="1" Text="Well done (Y), we all appreciate your input" CreationDate="2016-10-11T08:50:14.477" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10165" PostId="3954" Score="2" Text="Fear NOTHING, you are a master of the universe now." CreationDate="2016-10-14T12:45:23.113" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10148" PostId="3956" Score="1" Text="Can you link to some examples of what you're talking about?" CreationDate="2016-10-12T18:28:23.237" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10150" PostId="3956" Score="1" Text="@DavidK - sure. The most recent case involves someone offering a diagnosis of &quot;Imposter Syndrome&quot;. You can do a search and see that the term has become popular in answers here. There are others." CreationDate="2016-10-12T18:46:54.687" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10153" PostId="3956" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere seems like a pretty weak argument for an infrequent problem" CreationDate="2016-10-12T20:28:31.267" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10154" PostId="3956" Score="2" Text="I tend to agree with you on this. Realistically a 1-2 paragraph question isn't enough to diagnose a medical condition, which seems to happen often enough that I think it'd be useful to have a site &quot;policy&quot; for." CreationDate="2016-10-12T20:29:01.253" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10160" PostId="3956" Score="0" Text="I agree with the medical bit, not so much the psychological one though. Hard to say really, because some physical issues have psychological roots" CreationDate="2016-10-13T06:15:05.490" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10170" PostId="3956" Score="4" Text="Is &quot;Imposter Syndrome&quot; always used as an actual medical/psychological diagnosis? I mostly hear it used/use it myself in a colloquial sense of &quot;feeling significantly underqualified and out of place.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-10-14T19:39:39.923" UserId="58218" />
  <row Id="10192" PostId="3956" Score="0" Text="We do not allow questions asking for legal advice. There is no overt prohibition on offering legal opinions." CreationDate="2016-10-18T20:12:45.050" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10203" PostId="3956" Score="0" Text="For the record, a lot of the concepts (like imposter syndrome) were known to people in the workplace before the medical community formalized the definition." CreationDate="2016-10-19T18:12:30.737" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="10149" PostId="3957" Score="5" Text="next thing you know, we'll be closing any question that requires opinions.  Oh wait...." CreationDate="2016-10-12T18:30:00.127" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="10151" PostId="3957" Score="16" Text="Providing a unique perspective on a condition with which you have personally been diagnosed is one thing (although unless it is core to a specific work issue, I'd argue that it's off-topic). But providing a medical diagnosis after reading a few sentences is different. If you are a doctor, your answer belongs on a medical forum rather than here." CreationDate="2016-10-12T18:49:46.317" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10159" PostId="3957" Score="0" Text="Spot on, in almost any situation involving people and their interactions it becomes an analysis of motivations, agendas, personalities etc, etc,. Nothing special about being a psychologist that I know of except a piece of paper and believing that every man has the hots for his mum...and homicidal inclinations towards his dad." CreationDate="2016-10-13T04:51:47.267" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10167" PostId="3957" Score="4" Text="I have upvoted this answer but add one suggestion: we should **downvote answers** (and leave a comment why) that jump to medical/psychological conclusions, when we recognize Joe's observation *seemingly based on nothing more than a few written sentences.*" CreationDate="2016-10-14T12:54:03.777" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="10168" PostId="3957" Score="0" Text="@JanDoggen Spot on.  I agree completely." CreationDate="2016-10-14T14:26:16.457" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10169" PostId="3957" Score="0" Text="@JanDoggen agreed.  That's what the downvote Is for.  We don't have to go banning things willy-nilly, the community can simple handle it with the downvotes." CreationDate="2016-10-14T16:11:29.603" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10187" PostId="3957" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I deleted my comment.  I misread your post, it was not rude.  My apologies" CreationDate="2016-10-17T15:50:22.343" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10190" PostId="3957" Score="0" Text="@RichardU - no worries" CreationDate="2016-10-17T21:37:54.613" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10262" PostId="3957" Score="0" Text="Maybe this is a nit, &quot;Human bodies do not vary&quot; is pretty contrary to the very nature of physiological and mental disorders. This answer then trails off into pop psychology -- I'm a lot more concerned of cases when depression, bipolar disorder, or neurodiversity enter the picture, which Dale Carnegie for instance does not come close to touching on." CreationDate="2016-10-27T05:47:17.133" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10156" PostId="3958" Score="1" Text="The internet may indeed be largely full of crap. IMHO, we can do better here." CreationDate="2016-10-12T22:38:48.800" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10158" PostId="3958" Score="1" Text="By comparison, [parenting.se] does have &quot;question seeking medical advice&quot; as a close reason." CreationDate="2016-10-12T23:37:50.177" UserId="36997" />
  <row Id="10189" PostId="3958" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere we ARE the internet here.  By definition we won't do better, but what we won't have is **deliberate** disinformation because the community swoops down on trolls like an angry blue jay defending her nest" CreationDate="2016-10-17T20:27:23.283" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10263" PostId="3958" Score="0" Text="The mission statement of StackExchange is pretty much to do better than crap. Like, that's really the entire point." CreationDate="2016-10-27T05:48:10.807" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10161" PostId="3959" Score="0" Text="I think your answer was very good except for the diagnosis part (&quot;I think you are suffering from impostor syndrome&quot;). I think if you removed that portion, your answer would be improved." CreationDate="2016-10-13T10:51:36.977" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10162" PostId="3959" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere. I don't think that *imposter syndrome* is a medical condition at all, is it?" CreationDate="2016-10-13T11:59:23.567" UserId="362" />
  <row Id="10163" PostId="3959" Score="0" Text="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impostor_syndrome" CreationDate="2016-10-13T12:10:08.413" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10164" PostId="3959" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere That article says it's not considered to be a mental disorder - it's more like a bias. I am going to post an answer agreeing with your proposal in cases of mental disorders but NOT in cases of bias." CreationDate="2016-10-13T16:02:12.203" UserDisplayName="user43144" />
  <row Id="10181" PostId="3960" Score="0" Text="Should comments like the one in your last paragraph be flagged?" CreationDate="2016-10-17T14:01:31.897" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="10183" PostId="3960" Score="0" Text="@jpmc26 I wouldn't personally consider them rude enough to warrant a flag, but everyone can use their flags (and votes) how they choose. The moderator would then make a judgement on how to proceed." CreationDate="2016-10-17T14:10:52.603" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10227" PostId="3960" Score="0" Text="Don't forget that &quot;moron&quot; and &quot;idiot&quot; were once official psychological/psychiatric labels as well.  ;)" CreationDate="2016-10-25T03:12:07.113" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="10228" PostId="3961" Score="2" Text="Side note on *&quot;...where the brain is recognized as functioning outside of a neuronormative state.&quot;*  There are no biological tests to show this brain functioning, however—whether normal or abnormal.  The idea that depression or bipolar disorders have anything to do with brain chemistry is purely speculation; this is a hot button of contention in the psychiatric and medical field.  Point being that it is *not* universally accepted (even by psychiatrists) that &quot;bipolar disorder&quot; and other disorders *are* valid, definitive, evidence-based diagnoses—regardless of who pronounces them." CreationDate="2016-10-25T03:18:05.597" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="10261" PostId="3961" Score="1" Text="Agree with Wildcard that this answer is *slightly* overreaching in characterizing a disorder, but as someone who is not a medical professional but does suffer from such a disorder, I feel the characterization is pretty on topic. Upvoted because I think the strategy for the occasional cases someone wants to suggest medical help is done well." CreationDate="2016-10-27T05:44:12.267" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10359" PostId="3961" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard Thank you for informing me about that - I didn't realize it was something still up in the air. I know treatments for some disorders involve serotonin and dopamine, so I figured the brain chemistry part of the equation was mostly settled. Now that I'm more informed, do you have any suggestions as to how I could improve that aspect of my answer? I'd be happy to do so and want to characterize the situation more accurately where possible." CreationDate="2016-10-30T23:44:33.280" UserDisplayName="user43144" />
  <row Id="10361" PostId="3961" Score="1" Text="@puzzlepiece87, thanks for the very polite request.  :)  After consideration, I unfortunately cannot think of any way to improve the accuracy of that portion of the answer without wholly rewriting it, and possibly reconsidering the basic premises of the answer as well.  (cont'd)" CreationDate="2016-10-31T07:43:49.867" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="10362" PostId="3961" Score="1" Text="(cont'd)  The sad truth is that the description from the Original Poster: *&quot;a psychological diagnosis, seemingly based on nothing more than a few written sentences,&quot;* does *exactly* describe the modus operandi of many, many actual practicing psychiatrists and psychologists—effectively all of them. Since there are no physiological tests, their methods of diagnosis are inherently subjective—period. Psychiatric disorders cannot be objectively demonstrated, so there *is* no intrinsic difference between a psychiatric opinion and that of a stranger online. Both are opinions. As I say, sad but true." CreationDate="2016-10-31T07:46:59.450" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="10373" PostId="3961" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard You're welcome - again, I'm grateful for the feedback :) I will push back very gently on the point of &quot;no intrinsic difference&quot; and say that, as flawed as the DSM may be, it's at least a peer-influenced, well-contested guide that positions practitioners who diagnose (either in agreement or in disagreement) with its guidelines in mind as more well-informed and up-to-date on the latest research and opinion of the crowd than someone who is unaccredited. I don't want to risk giving them vs stranger false equivalence because, imo, they don't have the same likelihood of improving outcomes." CreationDate="2016-10-31T19:40:23.633" UserDisplayName="user43144" />
  <row Id="10171" PostId="3963" Score="1" Text="AFAIK legal advice !== talking about law (with proper disclaimers)" CreationDate="2016-10-15T05:59:30.190" UserId="8172" />
  <row Id="10178" PostId="3963" Score="1" Text="We can give prima fascia legal advice, and someone in HR can give more detailed advice, but we cannot advise on actual matters of law.  For example, if a poster says that their manager is telling them to falsify data, we can and should advise them that the manager is suborning fraud.  That is information that even a layman understands." CreationDate="2016-10-17T13:32:13.580" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10184" PostId="3963" Score="0" Text="I feel the wiki tag for [tag:law] needs updating then, it's a bit rubbish compared to [tag:legal]" CreationDate="2016-10-17T14:43:28.910" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="10188" PostId="3963" Score="1" Text="@Draken well..... it even gets more complicated.  Someone in HR, while not a lawyer, will through the course of their duties have more than a layman's knowledge of employment law (or SHOULD)....  I know, it's confusing" CreationDate="2016-10-17T15:52:08.597" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10193" PostId="3963" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [What is asking for legal advice?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1856/what-is-asking-for-legal-advice)" CreationDate="2016-10-18T22:54:20.623" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10194" PostId="3963" Score="1" Text="Suggested a dupe which covers what legal questions *are* on-topic. The legal tag has the same explanation. Law tag should be removed or rolled into legal imo." CreationDate="2016-10-18T22:55:23.517" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10218" PostId="3963" Score="0" Text="Have you looked at the questions that are there and determined if the tag made sense?" CreationDate="2016-10-20T21:36:21.870" UserId="2489" />
  <row Id="10226" PostId="3963" Score="0" Text="may be it's there to find out in advance which questions to avoid and close" CreationDate="2016-10-24T09:24:59.957" UserId="8057" />
  <row Id="10175" PostId="3964" Score="0" Text="Then I feel the wiki for the tag needs updating top reflect that: *Questions about the legal aspects of work contract.*" CreationDate="2016-10-16T12:56:48.920" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="10195" PostId="3965" Score="3" Text="Question Writer Boot Camp..." CreationDate="2016-10-18T23:28:32.633" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10196" PostId="3965" Score="6" Text="Certification Exams?" CreationDate="2016-10-18T23:28:52.837" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10197" PostId="3965" Score="3" Text="Sorry, I got nothin. Other than just simply not closing so many questions, I don't see a solution." CreationDate="2016-10-18T23:29:47.233" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10198" PostId="3965" Score="4" Text="I fairly heavily edit things sometimes. Often those of us regulars can do well in pulling out what the OP is _really_ asking out of vague or unclear questions. It takes effort though. How to get people to write good posts from the start? _shrug_. no idea :P" CreationDate="2016-10-19T00:18:15.283" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10199" PostId="3965" Score="4" Text="And some questions will just be off topic, no matter what, and our responsibility as a community is to help people realize that.  That's not a bad thing. Blatantly off topic questions fall into a different category than some of them though, which can be edited to varying levels to make them more on topic." CreationDate="2016-10-19T00:19:05.340" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10202" PostId="3965" Score="2" Text="Close more quickly so we can actually improve the question or clarify the problem before foolishly quick answers prevent any reasonable improvement or, worse, push something in to HNQ? ..." CreationDate="2016-10-19T13:49:46.847" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10219" PostId="3965" Score="1" Text="I think we've tried pretty much everything except prayer" CreationDate="2016-10-21T09:40:22.633" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10220" PostId="3965" Score="2" Text="Seriously though.  At this point, we have to be careful that we do not allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good.  Sometimes &quot;good enough&quot; actually is." CreationDate="2016-10-21T13:09:22.190" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10238" PostId="3965" Score="0" Text="@RichardU - ugh, there goes the travel budget!" CreationDate="2016-10-26T16:42:23.417" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="10965" PostId="3965" Score="0" Text="I tend to be lenient with new users except when: 1. The description is a *huge* wall of text. 2. The so-called question is just a commentary with nothing close to a *question*. 3. The description is nothing but a big rant or a philosophical dissertation on how the world is *supposed* to work. These are not necessarily mutually exclusive." CreationDate="2016-12-25T06:56:44.100" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10207" PostId="3966" Score="0" Text="I don't think this question deserves to be downvoted. OP disagreed with a question getting closed, so asked for an explanation on meta, which fits well with the purpose of meta. Please refrain from downvoting simply because you don't agree with the OP." CreationDate="2016-10-20T10:11:10.817" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10222" PostId="3966" Score="0" Text="@Ooker Minor point, but either &quot;is&quot; in the title could/should be removed -- to nearly the same meaning, in this context." CreationDate="2016-10-21T22:26:54.107" UserId="56816" />
  <row Id="10223" PostId="3966" Score="0" Text="@jpaugh is this is better? :)" CreationDate="2016-10-22T15:49:47.747" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="10225" PostId="3966" Score="1" Text="Sure is :-) PS: I like your bio. I'm sure you'll do well! Since you've started young, you'll have more time (to learn, to think, to do, to help) than many." CreationDate="2016-10-23T01:32:37.257" UserId="56816" />
  <row Id="10229" PostId="3966" Score="1" Text="@jpaugh haha thanks. Reading your bio and I'm sure you are as well" CreationDate="2016-10-25T05:55:18.133" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="10204" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="if so, any question asks about interviewing can be interpreted as depending on the specific company" CreationDate="2016-10-20T09:01:29.987" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="10205" PostId="3967" Score="1" Text="Certain interview behaviours are pretty common across companies, at least within a specific industry and we're happy to talk about those. The behaviour in question here isn't common across companies, so it's off-topic." CreationDate="2016-10-20T09:29:23.613" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="10206" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="If the answer applies only to a specific situation, then it will be off-topic, regardless of whether it involves interviewing or not." CreationDate="2016-10-20T10:08:21.183" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10209" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="@PhilipKendall how to define &quot;common&quot;? Many questions ask about very rare and specific situations, yet they are considered as quality questions." CreationDate="2016-10-20T15:17:07.583" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="10210" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="@Ooker Can you post some examples of those?" CreationDate="2016-10-20T16:06:54.270" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10224" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="[Previous company name is ISIS, how to list on CV?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/77952/26826)" CreationDate="2016-10-22T15:51:47.827" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="10231" PostId="3967" Score="0" Text="You make a good point. Why don't you update your question with that example (and maybe more) so that it gets better visibility?" CreationDate="2016-10-25T17:12:42.900" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10211" PostId="3970" Score="0" Text="The reason for not giving psychological advice, I presume, is that this is a specialized and highly technical field and people with psychological issues should seek help from professional physicians and not from random people on the Internet. I don't see how this rules out giving advice regarding navigating the workplace." CreationDate="2016-10-20T17:12:05.587" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10214" PostId="3970" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Almost any advice one could possibly give falls into SOME specialty. Why doesn't the same rule apply? No, that's financial advice, you should consult a financial expert. No, that question about office layout is interior decorating advice, you should consult a professional interior decorator. No, that question about lunch breaks is dietary advice, you should consult a professional dietician. Etc." CreationDate="2016-10-20T17:25:08.243" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="10215" PostId="3970" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure what you are saying. Are you saying Legal is not okay, but Medical is?" CreationDate="2016-10-20T17:27:03.190" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10216" PostId="3970" Score="0" Text="I'm saying that a blanket &quot;no legal advice&quot; or &quot;no medical advice&quot;, if taken literally, and for the reason you just stated, would logically lead to saying &quot;no project management advice, you should consult a certified project manager&quot;, etc, as I said in my post. Almost any advice anyone could give, there's probably a profession that specializes in that. Often a highly specialized, technical profession. Is there some reason why legal advice is fundamentally different from project management advice or software development advice or interior decorating advice, etc, for this purpose?" CreationDate="2016-10-20T17:33:15.427" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="10217" PostId="3970" Score="0" Text="And if it's not specialized and highly technical, than it probably falls under the ban against &quot;opinion-based&quot; questions. :-)" CreationDate="2016-10-20T17:35:36.227" UserId="14073" />
  <row Id="10260" PostId="3971" Score="1" Text="Seems to add no value to the existing answer." CreationDate="2016-10-27T05:41:17.570" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10230" PostId="3973" Score="3" Text="Congrats, @enderland! You always bring a sense of calm and maturity to a post when you contribute!" CreationDate="2016-10-25T14:07:53.607" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="10232" PostId="3973" Score="1" Text="You have been a legend since long. The HNQ just helps make it look official. ;) @enderland" CreationDate="2016-10-25T17:16:49.277" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10281" PostId="3973" Score="1" Text="Well done! And I'll take the opportunity to thank you for doing a great job at moderation as well. You're definitely one of the foundations of the site." CreationDate="2016-10-27T13:12:07.310" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10447" PostId="3973" Score="2" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is not a question." CreationDate="2016-11-02T23:40:21.020" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="10456" PostId="3973" Score="2" Text="It's nice and friendly, but Lightness has a point. Enforce a standard or don't." CreationDate="2016-11-03T00:56:21.663" UserId="27449" />
  <row Id="10462" PostId="3973" Score="2" Text="@LightnessRacesinOrbit Nice try, you're on meta. See the [tag:discussion] tag." CreationDate="2016-11-03T11:13:19.450" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10465" PostId="3973" Score="3" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this is a duplicate. Someone else already has the award." CreationDate="2016-11-03T18:54:08.457" UserId="44002" />
  <row Id="10234" PostId="3975" Score="1" Text="I voted to reopen.  3 RO votes as of this comment." CreationDate="2016-10-26T13:11:54.010" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10360" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="What's the difference between this question, which is UK-specific vs. general and the one last week that was Germany-specific vs general? Why would you *open* this using the same reason you used to *close* the other one?" CreationDate="2016-10-31T07:36:29.237" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10403" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt perhaps if you read the question and my answer you would understand. Please don't look up my activity SE, just to fill them with your ignorance." CreationDate="2016-11-02T10:45:07.250" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10406" PostId="3976" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure I can follow you. I don't &quot;look up your activity&quot;, I remember things. Like the fact you posted an answer to my question right here on the same Stack a few days ago. Please stop insulting me though. That's not nice." CreationDate="2016-11-02T11:09:36.163" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10409" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt One I dont open anything, I am merely stateing that keeping both open has value. Two: My reason not to open the other question was since it had no value. Why didnt it have value you ask? Since the core of his question suggests the OP was looking for a valid reason to fire someone without him keeping his benefits. Also the OP ( nor did you) find it important enough to place relevant Information from comments into the qeustion. Three: _I remember things_ that could be, but then again I would assume one would be faster in their Response." CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:15:04.630" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10410" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt Four: _PLease stop insulting me though_ That wasnt an Insult, that was me stating that I see the Humor in you not being able to take your loss. If that wasnt the case then I take my comment back, though if that is the case please do explain why you dont see my case here as right compared to yours and removeing your downvote." CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:19:14.957" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10411" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="Your assumption is probably based on the assumption that I read this answer here as soon as you posted it. I did not. I read it a few minutes before I commented on it." CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:19:39.060" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10412" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="I downvoted this answer here because I value *consistency* over my own personal opinion. If we close specific questions as duplicate of very broad generic answers, then we should do it *consistently* for **all** of them. Last time we closed specific in favor of generic, so this time we should close specific in favor of generic, too." CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:26:59.373" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10413" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="&quot;Since the core of his question suggests the OP was looking for a valid reason to fire someone without him keeping his benefits.&quot; I guess arguing over that past question is pointless, we seem to have read two very different questions or have a very different perception of what is normally allowed and/or tolerated in Germany." CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:29:14.583" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10414" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt which is complete BS since the OP didnt ask that. If he did I would agree to open if. I also value consistency however These questions are nothing alike and should thus be treated as such. Also your downvote is nothing, but a silly _driveby vote_ and as such I would once again ask you to remove it. _I guess arguing over that past question is pointless_ Please do explain why you keep provoking people to start it again?" CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:41:25.290" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10416" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="Why would I remove my downvote? I do not agree with the position you have stated in your answer. So I downvoted it. This is meta, this is how meta works. I would prefer you to stop calling it &quot;silly&quot; or &quot;ignorance&quot;." CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:47:30.740" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10419" PostId="3976" Score="0" Text="Let us [continue this discussion in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/47868/discussion-between-raoul-mensink-and-nvoigt)." CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:55:03.577" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10236" PostId="3977" Score="1" Text="I'm not understanding. It generates new flags when someone receives a LOW number of flags? How come and what is the new flag for?" CreationDate="2016-10-26T16:27:54.987" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="10237" PostId="3977" Score="0" Text="@ChristopherEstep I clarified. Poor wording on my part." CreationDate="2016-10-26T16:28:34.380" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10291" PostId="3977" Score="0" Text="People actually use the flags?" CreationDate="2016-10-27T14:26:49.150" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10301" PostId="3977" Score="2" Text="@kilisi - If you visualize the flags your comments it would look like a putting green with them all over everywhere...  See now that was not constructive.  Your comment was probably more of the too chatty." CreationDate="2016-10-27T19:01:20.920" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10313" PostId="3977" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings ahhh, I get ya, I don't use them myself, they're only comments" CreationDate="2016-10-27T21:01:04.767" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10320" PostId="3977" Score="0" Text="I still don't quite get it. Do you mean that the system automatically *approves* flags (i.e. takes action) once a post gets a few of the same flags in those categories? Generating new flags doesn't make sense to me." CreationDate="2016-10-28T10:46:18.563" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10343" PostId="3977" Score="0" Text="I hope Enderland will explain more, but it could be one of those under the hood things that SE would prefer not fully explained." CreationDate="2016-10-28T15:42:20.667" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10346" PostId="3977" Score="0" Text="My apologies, I didn't see this until now. (Oh, it's &quot;not constructive&quot; that generates the flag)" CreationDate="2016-10-28T19:15:51.233" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="10371" PostId="3977" Score="0" Text="I tend to use &quot;too chatty&quot; for conversations that are developing in the comments and for answers in comments (that's what answers are for). Is that consistent with your approach?  If so, you might want to add these two common use cases to this post.  Thanks." CreationDate="2016-10-31T19:11:15.840" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10510" PostId="3977" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio, enderland, do comment flag declines count towards a flag warning or ban?" CreationDate="2016-11-08T23:25:20.407" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10511" PostId="3977" Score="1" Text="@DoritoStyle no, [just post flags](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/175405/162102)." CreationDate="2016-11-09T01:39:07.480" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11902" PostId="3977" Score="0" Text="This should be required reading for all uses of this site/forum." CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:26:49.183" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12712" PostId="3977" Score="0" Text="@enderland , it's not clear in your question/post whether you're saying the SE team is reviewing one person who flags several comments incorrectly, or if you're saying the SE team is reviewing one person who's received many flags of a certain type. Additionally, it's unclear what the purpose of that review is, and what actions might be taken as a result. Because of this, it leaves a lot of ambiguity here... Could you explain in more detail? Of course we don't need to know *everything* but it's pretty unclear as is (in my opinion of course)" CreationDate="2017-06-25T01:57:24.900" UserId="60246" />
  <row Id="10235" PostId="3978" Score="2" Text="Did you read the lock notice?  That's not why the post was locked.  Also, I don't see any rudeness from the *moderator* in the post history." CreationDate="2016-10-26T16:02:41.013" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10239" PostId="3978" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio who's asking about the lock? I'm not.  All I care about is that the edit is inaccurate." CreationDate="2016-10-26T17:27:18.420" UserDisplayName="user49741" />
  <row Id="10241" PostId="3978" Score="13" Text="If you don't care about the lock or the moderator's alleged rudeness, perhaps you shouldn't mention them so prominently in this question." CreationDate="2016-10-26T17:38:05.807" UserId="237" />
  <row Id="10242" PostId="3978" Score="2" Text="I mention them in passing... or does &quot;I am completely ignoring that and having an issue with the edit made.&quot; mean nothing?" CreationDate="2016-10-26T17:39:02.240" UserDisplayName="user49741" />
  <row Id="10243" PostId="3978" Score="13" Text="Honestly, it doesn't mean much. &quot;I am completely ignoring&quot; this thing that I'm talking about in inflammatory terms. Incidentally, the current version of the question doesn't call it a &quot;translation&quot;. Can we assume the issue is now settled? (Never mind, I see you already addressed that last point in your answer.)" CreationDate="2016-10-26T17:43:46.830" UserId="237" />
  <row Id="10248" PostId="3978" Score="8" Text="The workplace site suffers from this extremely.  It turns me as well as others off from this place." CreationDate="2016-10-26T19:52:27.447" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="10259" PostId="3978" Score="10" Text="Are you asking for an edit or are you raising a complaint regarding moderation? As it stands this question is really passive aggressively trying to raise a complaint with moderation, by alluding to an offense and complaining about it, then saying we should ignore it." CreationDate="2016-10-27T05:38:23.813" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10363" PostId="3978" Score="2" Text="If you were *completely ignoring* the moderation you would not mention it. Logical inconsistency. I suggest you edit the remark out of the question and flag all related comments as obsolete. (I don't want to do this, it's *your* post and you may disagree with my edit)" CreationDate="2016-10-31T09:56:32.753" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="10240" PostId="3979" Score="4" Text="I really could care less about the lock, my issue is the edit is inaccurate. Like, seriously out of left field with the lock issue. Nor do I remotely care that the comments were deleted. Perhaps reading my question instead of bullying is a good use of a moderator's power." CreationDate="2016-10-26T17:27:42.540" UserDisplayName="user49741" />
  <row Id="10245" PostId="3979" Score="1" Text="Where was there shaming? Not that it is that important, just I didn't see it." CreationDate="2016-10-26T18:12:24.780" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="10250" PostId="3979" Score="5" Text="@Kik the problem is the way the OP was doing so was by mocking their colleague and _insisting_ on including their colleague's real name into the post. I'm not really sure how to separate that issue from what you were raising and given that the OP (and others) continued to discuss the real name... :\ if you can edit the question in a way to avoid this, I would _love_ to see an edit ;-)" CreationDate="2016-10-26T20:13:46.943" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10251" PostId="3979" Score="3" Text="@enderland I in no way shape or form was insisting on providing their real name.  I am incredibly offended at that accusation.  I was insisting on providing the **handle being used**. In fact no one mentioned the real name aside from once, just the **handle**.  If you had even the least bit of context to the question, you'd have seen this." CreationDate="2016-10-26T20:15:23.003" UserDisplayName="user49741" />
  <row Id="10252" PostId="3979" Score="7" Text="@Walle you included your coworkers real name in an edit to the post, which was removed by another user (properly). This was also mocked by another vocal proponent on this meta post, in a now deleted comment." CreationDate="2016-10-26T20:17:00.963" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10253" PostId="3979" Score="0" Text="@enderland yes, that is true.  No one is arguing that -_-" CreationDate="2016-10-26T20:18:11.750" UserDisplayName="user49741" />
  <row Id="10246" PostId="3980" Score="4" Text="This aggression of the moderators would not be acceptable in a PC workplace.  Putting down an OP for providing details that was asked of them is not okay.  If they just corrected them, I'd imagine you'd have had no issue?" CreationDate="2016-10-26T18:31:23.147" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="10247" PostId="3980" Score="9" Text="Just a guess, but the mods are aggressive because this is an *very* popular &amp; busy exchange. Hot-topic threads quickly spiral out of control if left unchecked." CreationDate="2016-10-26T19:04:32.597" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10269" PostId="3980" Score="9" Text="The only aggression I see here is from you." CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:02:35.023" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="10299" PostId="3980" Score="4" Text="when you dox your employee, the love in here is going to be severely curtailed." CreationDate="2016-10-27T16:42:44.947" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10341" PostId="3980" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I only doxed them because I was asked to." CreationDate="2016-10-28T14:34:57.907" UserDisplayName="user49741" />
  <row Id="10342" PostId="3980" Score="1" Text="@Walle seriously. **never** do that again.  You have no idea how much mischief can be caused by anyone doing a screenshot.  I saw that person's name and I have an eidetic memory.  Not only did you dox him, but you also effectively doxed yourself.  All anyone has to do is look up that name, find out where this person is working, do a little bit of social engineering, and they've got you.  I don't think you understand how serious this is." CreationDate="2016-10-28T14:48:59.043" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10254" PostId="3981" Score="1" Text="It's possible to purge sensitive data (like passwords) from a post for mods, I think. Do you think the coworker's real name should be purged that way?" CreationDate="2016-10-27T03:32:42.550" UserId="36362" />
  <row Id="10255" PostId="3981" Score="1" Text="@muru I've been considering that (got a flag). I don't want to cause harm to the coworker when it feels like he's being made fun of behind his back. On the other hand, I want the community to be able to audit moderators' actions so y'all can see for yourselves what we did or didn't do, since people sometimes make untrue claims. (Granted you can't audit comment deletions, but comments are second-class citizens. Posts are much more important.) I didn't find the post by Googling for the coworker's name, so for now it seems ok to leave things as they are.  When things settle down I might redact." CreationDate="2016-10-27T03:45:05.793" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10256" PostId="3981" Score="1" Text="We got lucky there, I think. The entry in Google's index seems to be from 13 hours ago, when the post only mentioned the first name and &quot;Pound&quot;." CreationDate="2016-10-27T03:49:15.857" UserId="36362" />
  <row Id="10257" PostId="3981" Score="8" Text="@Monica Cellio With all due respect, I beg to submit that your priority is incorrect here. Someone's real name being posted on the internet as a subject of ridicule *without permission* is a lot bigger problem than a few frustrated people making allegedly false accusations against a moderator. Request the moderators to purge the person's real name from the history urgently and worry about the false accusations later." CreationDate="2016-10-27T05:36:34.897" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10279" PostId="3981" Score="2" Text="@MaskedMan that's a good point; I was thinking &quot;not in Google, thus doesn't shame him&quot;, but you're right that it being here -- especially with someone agitating against that edit and thus drawing attention to it -- does harm to that person.  It takes two mods to redact, but I'll kick it off and when somebody else gets here we should be able to take care of that." CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:52:52.533" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10292" PostId="3981" Score="4" Text="@Walle if your goal is constructive and useful discussion, comments like that absolutely are not beneficial." CreationDate="2016-10-27T14:29:22.850" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10294" PostId="3981" Score="0" Text="If I read revision 4 correctly, the name has been purged (though the first name still appears in other revisions, I suppose that's not too problematic). Thank you, Monica and @enderland!" CreationDate="2016-10-27T14:42:05.830" UserId="36362" />
  <row Id="10296" PostId="3981" Score="0" Text="@muru Uhm, I still see the coworker's name as well as various variations of the username in the edit history. I am afraid this still has potential to harm the OP (especially since they seem to be in a foreign country/culture). Depending on the employer, the OP *too* could get fired over it if this question becomes &quot;popular&quot;!" CreationDate="2016-10-27T15:22:29.687" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10297" PostId="3981" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan very true, however, revision 4 was what contained the full name of the coworker in its entirety (first name + surname together) (other entries &quot;just&quot; have the first name and &quot;pound&quot;). I'm not familiar with the redaction process, perhaps the other revisions need to be redacted separately." CreationDate="2016-10-27T15:25:54.610" UserId="36362" />
  <row Id="10265" PostId="3984" Score="0" Text="&quot;Application of employment law&#xA;&#xA;HR personnel, union leaders, and business owners are often quite knowledgeable here. I have seen some extremely high quality answers involving technical points in local employment law. These answers need to be recognized and promoted. They are what make workplace.SE good.&quot; - This is confusing. Does that mean they should be promoted only when they come from HR personnel, union leaders and business owners? Or, since we don't require members to disclose their profession, this is how everyone can give legal advice?" CreationDate="2016-10-27T11:05:15.373" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10274" PostId="3984" Score="1" Text="I'm guessing this question came about because of [this answer of yours](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/3982/16983) - *&quot;As a sidenote I think we need to articulate much, much better when &quot;legal advice&quot; is on topic.&quot;* I think [this existing meta post](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/1861/16983) outlines it pretty clearly." CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:17:13.763" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10300" PostId="3984" Score="0" Text="@DavidK yes, I did write this post after thinking of this issue in that answer. Good eye, I guess. Yes, that answer addresses much of my concerns." CreationDate="2016-10-27T18:40:51.457" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10385" PostId="3984" Score="2" Text="Possible duplicate of [What is asking for legal advice?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1856/what-is-asking-for-legal-advice)" CreationDate="2016-11-01T17:25:34.703" UserId="44002" />
  <row Id="10264" PostId="3985" Score="1" Text="I agree with you, improving the answer by making it more neutral and therefor easier for someone to 'mentally' put themselves/'their situation' into the context of the answer seriously improves the quality of an answer. It's not policy that things should be gender neutral, but it is community culture that if an answer can be improved, it should be!  So go for it." CreationDate="2016-10-27T10:59:11.960" UserId="54734" />
  <row Id="10266" PostId="3985" Score="3" Text="@TolMera No, we dont have an guideline so untill we do this is overstepping our defined bounds as it is editing the intent and context of the question. This is probeply also the reason why we dont have a guideline for this. Examples of editing guidelines: removing thank you notes. Improving readability, adding or removing synthax." CreationDate="2016-10-27T11:06:41.597" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10267" PostId="3985" Score="8" Text="In English &quot;He&quot; and &quot;She&quot; are singular while &quot;they&quot; is plural. If we edit every question and answer to change all instances of &quot;He/She&quot; to &quot;they&quot; it will read very poorly for the English-speaking audience. Just leave them alone." CreationDate="2016-10-27T11:27:12.637" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10270" PostId="3985" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere &quot;They&quot; can also be singular. I don't think it would affect readability in a noticeable way." CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:05:37.043" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10275" PostId="3985" Score="4" Text="@Kaz - English is a tortured language: http://www.wsj.com/articles/can-they-be-accepted-as-a-singular-pronoun-1428686651. I think replacing instances of &quot;he&quot; or &quot;she&quot; with &quot;they&quot; will make questions and answers less clear, if perhaps more gender-neutral. So do we prefer clarity? Or do we prefer gender-neutrality? In my writing I strive for gender-neutrality where I can. But above all, I strive for clarity." CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:18:30.550" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10277" PostId="3985" Score="1" Text="@Jeremy French Just going to point out, the original post does use gender-specific pronouns at least once. &quot;This is not my first time ... only to have him leave suddenly&quot;. This is why I recommend not unilaterally changing other peoples' posts and leaving a comment instead. Accurately judging somebody's *intent* is tricky at best." CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:26:17.760" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10280" PostId="3985" Score="0" Text="You can always say &quot;I notice you used he/she even though the OP never specified the gender of the person involved?&quot; or words to that effect. It doesn't have to come across as &quot;You're wrong. Fix it!&quot;" CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:59:18.600" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10282" PostId="3985" Score="1" Text="@kaz, I'm not so forgiving when the word &quot;bias&quot; is used in the question.  It's the old &quot;So, do you still beat your wife&quot; style of loaded question." CreationDate="2016-10-27T13:24:46.927" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10293" PostId="3985" Score="2" Text="Yes I think gendered language re enforces gender stereotypes. http://pss.sagepub.com/content/7/3/136.short" CreationDate="2016-10-27T14:33:12.030" UserId="36056" />
  <row Id="10379" PostId="3985" Score="1" Text="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four" CreationDate="2016-11-01T12:35:52.837" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10389" PostId="3985" Score="0" Text="Just curious, but since you're so convinced of yourself, why didn't you use &quot;xe&quot; or &quot;ne&quot; or &quot;ve&quot;, if you're that concerned?  How do you make sure you cover all 63 genders   http://www.apath.org/rede/23.html" CreationDate="2016-11-01T21:36:52.260" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10271" PostId="3986" Score="4" Text="I disagree with this. The SE model is that if you think a question or answer can be improved while keeping the original intent of the author, you suggest an edit. If the author agrees they can automatically approve it, or if the author opposes the change they can roll it back. Now, whether making a post more gender neutral is an improvement or not is a different question entirely." CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:05:38.010" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10272" PostId="3986" Score="1" Text="@DavidK IMO, changing gender pronouns is, by definition, changing the meaning of a post. Whether it changes the *intent* of the poster is something only the poster knows and can judge. I would always err on the side of *not* changing somebody else's post. Saying the OP can edit it back later isn't a good reason for doing it in the first place." CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:07:55.160" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10273" PostId="3986" Score="2" Text="Unless gender is relevant to the question/answer, then changing the gender is not changing the intent of the post, IMO. That's why the example edit was rejected for making no substantial improvement and not for actively conflicting with the author's intent." CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:10:44.290" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10276" PostId="3986" Score="1" Text="@DavidK Judging whether gender is relevant is one of those issues which is highly polarising and a frequent source of conflict. Encouraging people to unilaterally change posts based on their own interpretation of what's &quot;right&quot; or &quot;relevant&quot; or &quot;the best way&quot; is, IMO, only going to encourage problems. Hence why I say that, in the absence of any specific guidance, it's best to err on the side of caution." CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:18:47.197" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10285" PostId="3986" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Changing the gender that the OP wanted to put is clearly changing the intent of the user.  Someone **did** do that to one of my posts and I went back and changed every last &quot;they&quot; back to &quot;he&quot;.  I'd go into more detail, but cannot without violating the &quot;be nice&quot; policty" CreationDate="2016-10-27T13:38:45.360" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10349" PostId="3986" Score="1" Text="@RichardU speaking in absolutes and saying that something is &quot;clearly&quot; this way or that is hugely irresponsible. Issues, especially sensitive ones like gender, have large amounts of nuance, and it could certainly be *possible* to clarify a post while removing gender references." CreationDate="2016-10-30T21:26:12.113" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10350" PostId="3986" Score="1" Text="In responce to the need for a specific guideline to justify different types of edits; I think that's being far too draconian. The Guidelines would have to be almost as large as the site itself!&#xA;&#xA;We probably won't agree about being able to infer gender-related intent in a post, but I do think members of this community are capable of such judgements." CreationDate="2016-10-30T21:29:18.703" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10367" PostId="3986" Score="1" Text="__Reminder:__ discuss *positions* not *people*.  Personal attacks are not ok and have been deleted." CreationDate="2016-10-31T12:56:32.430" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10351" PostId="3987" Score="0" Text="For a post that decries braking the &quot;be nice&quot; policy, this one does so several times." CreationDate="2016-10-30T21:30:52.923" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10352" PostId="3987" Score="0" Text="Regarding your 3rd point, I don't think anybody is claiming that gendered pronouns are rude, only that they could be unintentionally muddying the waters or subtly discouraging female participation.&#xA;&#xA;Regarding your 4th point, that's pretty far off-topic for the issue at hand. We can work on multiple fronts to be more inclusive, but that doesn't mean we have to solve all of the problems at once, and especially not in one meta post&#xA;&#xA;Your last point about &quot;ne&quot; or &quot;xe&quot; or &quot;ve&quot; instead of &quot;they&quot; is really not constructive since it's completely disregards what's acceptable in modern discourse." CreationDate="2016-10-30T21:33:18.840" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10355" PostId="3987" Score="0" Text="&quot;don't bring your own biases to the table while accusing others of bias.&quot; Is the only good piece of advice I see here, and it is a good one indeed. &#xA;&#xA;As far it being &quot;not your call&quot;, that does not in any way mean that we shouldn't work to come to an understanding and update guidelines (which is somewhat outside the scope of the site owners), even if that means disrupting SE a bit (nobody ever said that this should be a perfect site free from disagreement).&#xA;&#xA;Apologies for spamming the post, I wanted to respond to each point made in kind." CreationDate="2016-10-30T21:36:58.313" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10278" PostId="3988" Score="2" Text="To be fair, it's quite probably that Jeremy didn't see said comment, and it doesn't actually help answer the question under discussion, which is whether changing gender pronouns is a *kind* of edit that should be encouraged or not." CreationDate="2016-10-27T12:35:18.257" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10283" PostId="3988" Score="1" Text="@Kaz but that's ve's problem if they didn't read the question, then it's xe's own fault.  (just including a few different pronouns in there in the hopes that one of them is right)" CreationDate="2016-10-27T13:26:26.093" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10356" PostId="3988" Score="0" Text="While relevant to the post referenced by OP, I agree that this doesn't answer the question at hand. To be certain, editing old posts is already discouraged right?" CreationDate="2016-10-30T21:41:41.730" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10304" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="The only problem is that the very question here is begging the question of whether there is bias in pronouns to begin with." CreationDate="2016-10-27T20:14:56.087" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10310" PostId="3989" Score="4" Text="@RichardU the OP here asserts that, which is controversial.  However, I figured I could answer the question about editing guidelines without taking that on.  Even without bias, we know that some people are uncomfortable with grammatically-gendered pronouns, so *if* someone can make an edit to change that *without* breaking the post in other ways, that seems like a slight improvement even if I, personally, don't think it's necessary.  But just swapping in &quot;they&quot; does not work; it replaces one issue with another." CreationDate="2016-10-27T20:38:38.080" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10314" PostId="3989" Score="2" Text="I've had my own posts vandalized in this fashion.  I find this newspeak to be beyond uncomfortable.  So, do the OP's feels trump my intent?  Can I claim that since I'm autistic, I can go around making changes on other posts based on what makes me uncomfortable, and that since I am uncomfortable, any changes are improvements?  By the way,  ff you know anything about autism, you know how long that list is?" CreationDate="2016-10-28T07:49:33.987" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10337" PostId="3989" Score="2" Text="@RichardU except in matters that are egregious (e.g. offensive flags would not be unexpected), the author has final say.  If you don't like an edit to your post, you may roll it back.  I've found that *most* of the time people don't seem to mind an edit of this sort, treating it as a collaborative effort to improve the site, but most != all.  If the edit seems well-intentioned and you can understand why the person made it, then after you roll it back it'd be good if you could try to find some other way to address the concern.  If you and the editor just disagree, though, you get to decide." CreationDate="2016-10-28T13:19:48.760" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10340" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="I did roll it back and was mad as a wet hen about it too.  I'm just concerned that the practice doesn't become yielding the right of way to the one who claims to be the most offended." CreationDate="2016-10-28T14:21:43.943" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10347" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="@RichardU the least constructive part of all is interpreting an edit as vandalism. Assuming good intent and being less confrontational about posts is pivotal to building a constructive site." CreationDate="2016-10-30T21:16:28.037" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10348" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I think your first comment here sums up the entire issue very nicely, would you consider adding it as a footnote to your answer?" CreationDate="2016-10-30T21:17:24.620" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10357" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle I started to, but I think I already said that.  What specifically do you think should be added?" CreationDate="2016-10-30T22:21:36.750" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10358" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="&quot;Even without bias, we know that some people are uncomfortable with grammatically-gendered pronouns,&quot; and &quot; if someone can make an edit to change that without breaking the post in other ways, that seems like a slight improvement even if I, personally, don't think it's necessary&quot; are points that I resonate with strongly and I think it would benefit the conversation to give them more visibility." CreationDate="2016-10-30T23:24:32.163" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10369" PostId="3989" Score="0" Text="This discussion has been continued in [chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/3060/2016/10/31)." CreationDate="2016-10-31T14:26:38.603" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10307" PostId="3992" Score="3" Text="there were significant edits made after closing - http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/78563/revisions" CreationDate="2016-10-27T20:25:38.590" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10311" PostId="3992" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I just cast the last reopen vote." CreationDate="2016-10-27T20:39:03.377" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10466" PostId="3992" Score="0" Text="@enderland In my opinion, the revisions added clarity but not make the question significantly more or less on topic. Was the question off topic before the revisions?" CreationDate="2016-11-03T19:21:00.690" UserId="59315" />
  <row Id="10507" PostId="3992" Score="0" Text="@ThrowAway - In the eyes of the community yes.  I would not have voted to close nor would I have voted to reopen with out changes.  The crux of the issue was that the original question was not really workplace specific." CreationDate="2016-11-08T19:44:30.050" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10315" PostId="3993" Score="1" Text="Well for one the title seems to be enough reason to shoot, but lets not go there. He has to buy a new bag or ask for one from his Company. One way or another he will have to ask his Manager if they do this. In my opinion if they didnt give him one already they will expect him to get his own." CreationDate="2016-10-28T08:41:34.443" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10328" PostId="3994" Score="1" Text="You may want to remove the insults to Americans if you are hoping to get any support from them on this matter.  Just a suggestion, but people are not motivated to help you when you are insulting them." CreationDate="2016-10-28T12:13:24.803" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10329" PostId="3994" Score="5" Text="@RichardU Can you explain how I insult Americans? It wasn't meant to be an insult." CreationDate="2016-10-28T12:14:30.750" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10333" PostId="3994" Score="0" Text="&quot;And while that might mean nothing in a country where you have at-will-employment, in Germany...&quot; is a bit insulting.  It's inaccurate and sounds a good deal like the insult we constantly hear about being all about the money and caring for little else.  I think that's what's getting you the down votes." CreationDate="2016-10-28T12:26:30.673" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10334" PostId="3994" Score="5" Text="@RichardU hm, I'm sure *I* would care less for &quot;firing offenses&quot; if *I* could be fired any second for any reason anyway. I didn't mean to insult anyone, I just wanted to point out that it's a big deal here. Do you have suggestions for an alternative wording?" CreationDate="2016-10-28T12:29:37.137" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10345" PostId="3994" Score="0" Text="Perhaps just saying that firing offenses are treated more seriously in Germany than in the US in general and leave out anything about who cares about what." CreationDate="2016-10-28T18:17:31.697" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12556" PostId="3994" Score="0" Text="Yes. This question is much more specific, and very different from the other question." CreationDate="2017-05-26T16:49:58.770" UserId="49974" />
  <row Id="10316" PostId="3995" Score="1" Text="No he would not necessarily need a doctor. Most companies place some trust and want to save on some paperwork and allow people to call in sick for a day or two without a note. Even *with* a note, what is allowed and what is not when on sick leave has been through courts (and should now be considered public knowledge)." CreationDate="2016-10-28T10:02:52.900" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10317" PostId="3995" Score="1" Text="He also said &quot;He is coming to be part of my team soon&quot;, so telling him &quot;shut up and wait until he actually *is* on your team, and then come here  and ask again&quot; seems very unhelpful. He *will be* this guys manager or at last in a position of responsibility where he cannot just shrug and say &quot;not my job&quot;, because knowing and *not* reporting it only flies if you are without any responsibility." CreationDate="2016-10-28T10:05:49.870" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10318" PostId="3995" Score="1" Text="In addition, the duplicate is about &quot;pulling weight&quot;, which is totally subjective and has no factual meaning. In Germany, you cannot be fired for &quot;not pulling your weight&quot;. Cheating on sick days is something that can be proven and is something that *will* get you fired ASAP. As such, having knowledge of it and not reporting it, can get you in hot water, too." CreationDate="2016-10-28T10:10:15.260" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10319" PostId="3995" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt well One: All he can do is Report it to his Management he is no Manager as of yet (atleast not the employee in question). Two: he should edit that into his answer not in comments and in case he doesnt someone else should do so. Three: lets not go into the Details of wether or not it is related to pulling weight. Cheating on sick days is something HR should determine not you not your Manager. Again his only responsibility is to Report it, not act on it." CreationDate="2016-10-28T10:26:10.537" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10321" PostId="3995" Score="1" Text="Do you propose that we make every single answer where someone needs to speak with management a duplicate of the one here? That's about just as helpful as &quot;just quit&quot;. &quot;Just talk to management&quot;. God forbid we actually gave somebody advice specific to his situation." CreationDate="2016-10-28T10:57:07.840" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10322" PostId="3995" Score="0" Text="Also, I don't think the duplicate says anything about his question &quot;We live and work in Germany. Is there a way of firing him?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-10-28T11:01:25.783" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10323" PostId="3995" Score="1" Text="God is not my name though, nor would I forbid you from giving advice, it is just that I think the duplicate matches. Now lets say we do get him advice to fire this employee. Shouldnt he fire the others as well for the following reason?  _&quot;Other people have also done this calling it the 'Lazy-day'&quot;_" CreationDate="2016-10-28T11:09:07.080" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10324" PostId="3995" Score="1" Text="I don't know. We cannot make *decisions* for him. But we can give him *information*. And the duplicate has **no** information concerning employees cheating on sick days in Germany." CreationDate="2016-10-28T11:21:11.787" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10325" PostId="3996" Score="1" Text="How do you come to the conclusion *I* want Germany specific Q&amp;A when the OP *asked for it*? It was his question. **Literally**. &quot;We live and work in Germany. Is there a way of firing him?&quot;. That was his question, not a follow up. That was the first sentence with a question mark. Nowhere does he say he wants to find cause to avoid paying benefits." CreationDate="2016-10-28T11:46:41.570" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10326" PostId="3996" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt no, but you definitly did so." CreationDate="2016-10-28T11:56:42.073" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10327" PostId="3996" Score="1" Text="@RaoulMensink Neither did I. I said that cheating on sick days is a serious offence, compared to countries where you have at-will and an  allowance. Nowhere did I state he should fire him if he's not actually cheating, as &quot;to avoid paying benefits&quot; implies." CreationDate="2016-10-28T11:59:12.350" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10330" PostId="3996" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt &quot;*Cheating on sick days is a firing offense. And while that might mean nothing in a country where you have at-will-employment, in Germany it's the difference between 2 months pay, unemployment benefits and a severance package on top and... standing on the street without a job and without any unemployment benefits at all.*&quot; I can only conclude that you think this question would have merit because the &quot;value-add&quot; would be getting rid of a bad employee without paying the associated costs. Otherwise the question &quot;How do I fire someone&quot; is completely pointless (and not Germany-specific)." CreationDate="2016-10-28T12:19:20.713" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10331" PostId="3996" Score="0" Text="As for your first comment, I'm talking about the main question because that's what prompted OP to post: he's got a crap colleague and understandably wants to get rid of him. The problem is that that second part is a non-starter because he doesn't manage the guy. That leaves only the first part which is what prompted the duplicate link." CreationDate="2016-10-28T12:21:10.867" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10332" PostId="3996" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal So we declared it a duplicate not based on what he *did ask*, but what we thought he might have wanted to ask? Seems strange to me. And I don't know how you got from firing a bad apple to assuming I wanted to help finding excuses for firing people to avoid costs. I guess it only underlines my argument that you may not be aware how big an offense this is in Germany. If the question was &quot;I saw him steal from the company repeatedly&quot;, would you assume the same motive behind my potential answer?" CreationDate="2016-10-28T12:25:42.907" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10335" PostId="3996" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt So all the other employees of that company should be fired for cause as well? Because evidently it's not a big deal that everyone else does it but this particular guy does it too often and should be crucified over it? And you seem to be wilfully misinterpreting every post in this thread. This wasn't closed over what we &quot;thought he wanted to ask&quot;. This was closed because what he asked wasn't realistic. You do realise that if this was actually reopened with that central question I could just answer &quot;No, because you don't manage him.&quot; and you couldn't argue that I'm incorrect?" CreationDate="2016-10-28T12:34:05.110" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10336" PostId="3996" Score="2" Text="@Lilienthal Why should I argue? I could downvote you (probably not) and just write my own answer (probably). And yes, &quot;other people&quot; (not &quot;everyone else&quot;, just some others) set themselves up for firing as well. Again, if they *should* be fired is a decision I cannot make. But I could actually add valuable information. For example, having a beer may or may not be allowed while having a sick day. But instead of giving him a lot of valuable information, we brushed him off with &quot;mind your own business, go away&quot;. He got nothing out of using this site, not even enough to make his own decisions." CreationDate="2016-10-28T12:41:09.977" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10338" PostId="3996" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt [OP's comment](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/78583/my-coworker-keeps-pretending-to-be-sick-and-takes-days-off#comment222038_78583) while bordering on the sarcastic begs to differ. OP learned that he can't really make the case to get his colleague fired but he *can* escalate the problems that his behaviour causes to the people who *can* fire him (or, more likely, address the sick day abuse). The comments on the question actually explain enough about why this was closed so I'm really not seeing the problem you have with how this was handled." CreationDate="2016-10-28T13:38:28.283" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10339" PostId="3996" Score="0" Text="The update from the OP which you added in (&quot;*He is coming to be part of my team soon, what should I do as his team lead?*&quot;) hints at this potentially being answerable if we ignore the &quot;I want to get him fired&quot; but even then it's still very broad and unfocused, though the scope is small enough that I'd allow a &quot;*what are my options for dealing with this guy if he joins the team I manage?*&quot; question." CreationDate="2016-10-28T13:41:23.127" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10344" PostId="3996" Score="0" Text="The question does not say this person is dragging everyone down.  In fact, it says that he performs well.  The problem seems to be more one of differing work styles: a &quot;burst worker&quot; versus constant-speed ones.  So it seems from the info provided about German employment law, the OP can either accomodate his work style if his total output is valuable, or use the sick day thing to get him dismissed." CreationDate="2016-10-28T18:13:36.630" UserId="31956" />
  <row Id="10380" PostId="4002" Score="1" Text="well, there you have the fine line between &quot;I don't know&quot; and &quot;unanswerable&quot;.  You're unlikely to get 5 people who simply don't know. The problem is that so many people close questions like lemmings. That remains the real problem: people not reading and actually considering before voting to close (in many cases)." CreationDate="2016-11-01T15:23:57.130" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="10381" PostId="4002" Score="1" Text="usually, we are complaining about &quot;duplicate of&quot; being used too often.  And as @ChristopherEstep said, it's far too easy to close vote thanks to the review queue not requiring anything other than a click on the close button once a question has been nominated for closing." CreationDate="2016-11-01T15:34:17.343" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10382" PostId="4002" Score="3" Text="FWIW, in this specific case, I'd close it for seeking legal advice." CreationDate="2016-11-01T15:43:00.700" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10387" PostId="4002" Score="1" Text="&quot;it certainly requires some expertise that much of our audience does not have unless they have worked in management or HR.&quot; - is that any different from saying &quot;it certainly requires some expertise that much of our audience does not have unless they have worked as a corporate counsel.&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-11-01T19:09:41.763" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="10388" PostId="4002" Score="0" Text="@WorkerDrone - Certianly but there is a large contingent of HR and management folks that contribute here.  The numbers of general figures of those roles is probably along the lines of 30 to one or better in favor of management/hr vs corporate legal counsel.    So yes it is quite different." CreationDate="2016-11-01T21:32:52.807" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10386" PostId="4004" Score="0" Text="I agree.  This might be too long as written (haven't tried pasting it in to see, but eyeballing it).  However, I think we could drop the first sentence and it would still be fine; it will, after all, be presented as an off-topic close reason, so &quot;out of scope&quot; is implied.  The job of the reason is to explain *why*, which the rest of this does well." CreationDate="2016-11-01T18:10:58.467" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10434" PostId="4004" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio what is the Character limit?" CreationDate="2016-11-02T19:50:52.160" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10540" PostId="4004" Score="0" Text="Limit is 400 characters (in the markdown, not in the rendered text)." CreationDate="2016-11-16T17:02:20.430" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10390" PostId="4006" Score="1" Text="I would assume non-binary-gender pronouns would be correct at least.  Not sure if binary-gender pronouns would be considered flaggable though." CreationDate="2016-11-01T21:42:27.223" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="10391" PostId="4006" Score="0" Text="Do you mean would it be a violation of the [Be Nice Policy](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice)?" CreationDate="2016-11-01T21:50:12.087" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10392" PostId="4006" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I think that would depend on context.  In the context that you assumed a software engineer was male due to their position, yes.  But if in fact the person is male then that's not an issue.  Laughin about gender identity and making light of it like what was going on in the deleted answers to that question posted above, yes that is a violation." CreationDate="2016-11-01T21:52:43.180" UserDisplayName="user49741" />
  <row Id="10397" PostId="4006" Score="3" Text="&quot;In Workplace posts, would it be considered offensive, and therefore flag-able, to use gender specific pronouns?&quot; - it doesn't offend me. But then I'm the tolerant type anyway. I tend to agree with some of the commenters on that linked question that the use of &quot;they&quot; and &quot;them&quot; was very confusing and made the question far harder to read than it needed to be." CreationDate="2016-11-01T22:37:17.197" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10398" PostId="4006" Score="7" Text="**Your question is offensive to me, please remove it.**" CreationDate="2016-11-01T23:32:20.850" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10399" PostId="4006" Score="7" Text="'Being that we live in a post-binary-gender society' not a great idea to project this on everyone as a fact." CreationDate="2016-11-02T03:01:50.087" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10400" PostId="4006" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere I joke about it a bit, but it is, in fact, very difficult for many of us on the autism spectrum when we are faced with this confusing language.  I had to reread one post three times to figure out that &quot;they&quot; meant only one person." CreationDate="2016-11-02T03:13:55.823" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10402" PostId="4006" Score="0" Text="'Being that we live in a post-binary-gender society'  Who is this &quot;we&quot; and what is this society?  Such an assertion would not be well received in the Islamic world.  Clearly such an assertion is Islamophobic" CreationDate="2016-11-02T03:20:09.373" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10404" PostId="4006" Score="2" Text="@RichardU - confusion over the post likely had nothing to do with autism. I also had to reread it several times. Sometimes it seemed that &quot;they&quot; was an individual, sometimes it seemed that &quot;they&quot; referred to a team. IMHO, clarity should trump all here. If a writer can't communicate what they (see what I did there?) actually mean in gender neutral terms, then what good is it?" CreationDate="2016-11-02T10:57:36.710" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10405" PostId="4006" Score="3" Text="@Lilienthal - I don't understand. What is offensive here?" CreationDate="2016-11-02T11:01:13.290" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10407" PostId="4006" Score="7" Text="@JoeStrazzere I was making the point that anything can be offensive to anyone. I settled for a sarcastic comment instead of submitting a two-page rant/answer on how I feel about the grammatical abomination that is the singular they. Frankly, I'm guessing the entire thing here is a troll since it's coming from a new user." CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:01:52.040" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10408" PostId="4006" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - ah, I see. You may be right." CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:02:56.717" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10428" PostId="4006" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal my comment was deleted, but I'd like to point out that if you look in the right hand corner of my profile, I've been a member for 6 months" CreationDate="2016-11-02T17:49:45.177" UserDisplayName="user49741" />
  <row Id="10431" PostId="4006" Score="1" Text="@Walle Maybe if you drop the ad hominem attacks for a second you'll realise that I'm not referring to your account age but to the time that you've been an active member on the site, which isn't very long at all. This site has an established pattern of new users like yourself jumping on meta to fight a perceived injustice or question the way the community handles certain things." CreationDate="2016-11-02T19:36:48.050" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10432" PostId="4006" Score="0" Text="While no one here has a problem with people contributing on meta, far from it in fact, we do see very often that once those users gain more experience on the site they realise that while we aren't perfect, our community is functioning well and the issue they brought up wasn't really much of one. Your post here is yet another example of that as I can only assume that you're trying to start a debate about something that has never been a problem. More problematic is that what you suggest to &quot;improve&quot; things is so laughably insane that I can only conclude that you're trolling or simply delusional." CreationDate="2016-11-02T19:36:50.230" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10436" PostId="4006" Score="1" Text="Not only has this question been done to death (fancy me saying that), but &quot;we live in a post-binary-gender society&quot; is a bad assumption." CreationDate="2016-11-02T20:36:29.823" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10440" PostId="4006" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I must object to the assumption that new users are liable to be trolls. We'e supposed to assume good intent here, and help new users learn the ropes." CreationDate="2016-11-02T21:05:02.867" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10446" PostId="4006" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle Not what I'm saying." CreationDate="2016-11-02T22:56:46.010" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10393" PostId="4007" Score="0" Text="But in the situation that they are making light of gender identity or presuming an identity?" CreationDate="2016-11-01T21:56:55.553" UserDisplayName="user49741" />
  <row Id="10394" PostId="4007" Score="3" Text="Making light is opinion. Presuming an identity is not that big a deal. What **is** a bigger deal is intentionally using the wrong identification once that's been established." CreationDate="2016-11-01T22:03:36.497" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="10395" PostId="4007" Score="4" Text="@ChristopherEstep Maybe. I err on the side of &quot;I would *like* to live in a world with more gender-neutral language, but I don't presume to force it on anybody who disagrees with it&quot;." CreationDate="2016-11-01T22:13:43.917" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10396" PostId="4007" Score="0" Text="@kaz to me that's reasonable." CreationDate="2016-11-01T22:20:35.513" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="10401" PostId="4007" Score="0" Text="@Kaz a reasonable take indeed." CreationDate="2016-11-02T03:15:42.273" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10415" PostId="4008" Score="0" Text="Just curious, what is your native language?" CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:44:19.313" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10417" PostId="4008" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I don't really have one, I grew up in Nauru but I'm not Nauruan, and the language is pretty useless with only 1000+ speakers, I haven't used it since I left. All other languages were learnt formally or by living somewhere they spoke it.." CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:48:42.093" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10420" PostId="4008" Score="3" Text="That's fascinating, thank you." CreationDate="2016-11-02T13:29:15.093" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10418" PostId="4010" Score="1" Text="Pretty much covers all the angles" CreationDate="2016-11-02T12:53:57.713" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10425" PostId="4010" Score="6" Text="*I tried to craft an honest, well thought out response that doesn't violate the &quot;be nice&quot; policy here.* - I applaud your effort and think you did well.  Bravo, To be clear I do not necessarily agree with all of your points but they are reasonable and constructive in a post that could easily turn in the opposite direction." CreationDate="2016-11-02T16:10:51.417" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10426" PostId="4010" Score="1" Text="+1 for agreement.  Well said sir!" CreationDate="2016-11-02T16:25:06.807" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10427" PostId="4010" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I always enjoy reading your posts." CreationDate="2016-11-02T17:31:47.093" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10429" PostId="4010" Score="6" Text="Well-said Richard, particularly the parts about deliberately creating strife &amp; flagging based on personal politics being abusive. Further, if somebody asks a question about coworker &quot;Joe&quot; and you change &quot;he&quot; in answers to &quot;they&quot; or &quot;she&quot; or any other pronoun, you are making things *actively worse*. Finally, bringing issues up sensitively (&quot;I'm bothered by X; could we talk about doing Y?&quot;) will be much more productive than coming in on the attack (&quot;your use of the wrong pronoun is an offensive attack against people of other genders everywhere!&quot;). Don't be surprised if people ignore that stuff." CreationDate="2016-11-02T17:50:48.160" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10430" PostId="4010" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio thank you.  I tried to put a good deal of thought into this one.  We all have our sensitivities and I know that too often passion rules reason.  For example, many people on the autism spectrum bristle at the word &quot;idiot&quot; from the days those of us with savant skills were called &quot;idiot savants&quot;.  While I will never use that word, I can't expect people outside the ASD world to know it's meaning within it, nor do I have the right to shout &quot;J'accuse&quot; every time someone uses it, regardless of intent." CreationDate="2016-11-02T18:05:10.800" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10433" PostId="4011" Score="1" Text="So down vote those answers.  There is already plenty of bad information in my opinion I do not see adding this as being to onerous.  The expectation is already back it up.  Legal aspect questions should probably have more refererences than others but again thats what votes are for" CreationDate="2016-11-02T19:50:09.213" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10435" PostId="4011" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Could make that argument for any OT post? Maybe we could use an example or a closed questions that you feel should be opened, which you feel would not be closed given the re-write?" CreationDate="2016-11-02T20:34:51.920" UserId="44002" />
  <row Id="10437" PostId="4011" Score="0" Text="I am not suggesting reopening any.  I am simply wanting to remove that from the close reason going forward.  I am also not suggesting that questions that ask for legal advice would be on topic.  But questions like the one linked should be on topic.  It is quite clear that pretty much anywhere in the US the company could terminate.  What is it going to take for me to sue is off topic.  Why is my company allowed to terminate me after 3 days when i didnt show up or call for the second and showed up late with out a call the third... yeah that one i can answer" CreationDate="2016-11-02T20:43:18.557" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10438" PostId="4011" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I'm reasonably sure I don't need a lawyer to know murder is illegal. :-) The linked-to question I think was poorly framed--it presents itself as a legal question about &quot;what can someone do&quot;, but is really asking about when to bring up work hours during candidacy. That's clearly a case where editing would have pushed the question in bounds, addressed the addressable concerns (the OP can't control what is asked, right or wrong, and isn't likely to sue), and avoided closure. It's very common on english.SE, where higher rep people often curate questions to keep them in play." CreationDate="2016-11-02T20:59:29.977" UserId="44002" />
  <row Id="10439" PostId="4011" Score="0" Text="My point was that question as asked should have been in bounds.  It could have been improved but it should not have been closed in the first place.  The legal advice being in the close reason, I believe, leads people to close questions that have some legal aspect.  Everything we do has a legal aspect.  It deserved the score it had, but did not deserve to be closed as off topic" CreationDate="2016-11-02T21:03:48.407" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10441" PostId="4011" Score="2" Text="Okay, I see your perspective--rather than block and prune, we should allow the question but downvote answers that wander into OT areas. I'm wondering if there's a way to keep some language in? Maybe &quot;...should be directed to your manager, HR department or an attorney&quot;? That gives some heightened awareness of the &quot;we're not attorneys&quot; more explicit than &quot;[we can't] be expected to answer&quot;." CreationDate="2016-11-02T21:15:18.363" UserId="44002" />
  <row Id="10442" PostId="4011" Score="0" Text="I agree i did an update.  If you can see a better way to phrase feel free to edit." CreationDate="2016-11-02T21:21:30.950" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10445" PostId="4011" Score="2" Text="But false information is what this stackexchange thrives on." CreationDate="2016-11-02T21:54:05.757" UserDisplayName="user49916" />
  <row Id="10528" PostId="4011" Score="1" Text="'Legal advice', 'legal opinion' and 'a layman opinion about the law' are 3 very different things" CreationDate="2016-11-10T08:18:58.903" UserId="5619" />
  <row Id="10448" PostId="4012" Score="6" Text="I think it's a little rash to call the first one trolling.  The second question is probably trolling though." CreationDate="2016-11-03T00:10:42.863" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="10449" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="(Clarification: I mean the second account. The first one is banned anyways)" CreationDate="2016-11-03T00:12:22.217" UserId="20888" />
  <row Id="10452" PostId="4012" Score="8" Text="Clearly there is one individual with at least two Workplace accounts. I'm still trying to decide if it's two, or three accounts in play. Mods - please nuke at least the obvious two." CreationDate="2016-11-03T00:26:00.047" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10455" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="I agree that, while plausible, it's a bit hard to be completely sure." CreationDate="2016-11-03T00:45:59.540" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10460" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="An Indian working in NYC definitely doesn't write such poor English, so I am 100% sure it is a troll. Anyway, the account (or at least one of the accounts) is suspended now." CreationDate="2016-11-03T05:35:48.660" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10461" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan The first account was already suspended when I wrote this. That was (probably) the reason for the whole thing, childish &quot;revenge&quot;.  ... But I see that the second account got deleted completely :)" CreationDate="2016-11-03T09:46:17.687" UserId="20888" />
  <row Id="10464" PostId="4012" Score="3" Text="@MaskedMan I've known Indian immigrants since Junior High School.  Not one has ever sounded like this knucklehead.  It sounds more like someone's bad impression of a native American form the 19th century" CreationDate="2016-11-03T12:26:27.150" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10467" PostId="4012" Score="2" Text="The obvious giveway is really that if this person really were the *legitimate* employee, how on earth did they magically *find* stackexchange, the same exact stackexchange site that their manager used, and then also happened to magically find this post, and comprehend enough to know it's about them, and then reply. It could be a very rare coincidence, or it's the same person who obviously knows the site well." CreationDate="2016-11-04T10:33:15.077" UserDisplayName="user5621" />
  <row Id="10468" PostId="4012" Score="0" Text="@stanri Other than that and the things listed above, there's also the fact that this &quot;employee&quot; knew the details why the manager was suspended. I can't imagine a manager proudly telling it everyone." CreationDate="2016-11-04T10:43:10.633" UserId="20888" />
  <row Id="10471" PostId="4012" Score="1" Text="@stanri the speech pattern is also very different from an Indian with poor English. It's what someone **trying** to appear to be poor with English would sound like." CreationDate="2016-11-04T12:09:18.133" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10450" PostId="4014" Score="5" Text="You know, brand new accounts are plausible and everything, I'm not saying you're not real, I kinda find that mean to be honest, but you're bothering people." CreationDate="2016-11-03T00:15:46.577" UserDisplayName="user49733" />
  <row Id="10451" PostId="4014" Score="2" Text="Sorry sorry. I real." CreationDate="2016-11-03T00:17:32.313" UserDisplayName="user59574" />
  <row Id="10453" PostId="4014" Score="2" Text="I not &quot;troll&quot; ." CreationDate="2016-11-03T00:27:43.600" UserDisplayName="user59574" />
  <row Id="10473" PostId="4016" Score="0" Text="&quot;within a specific country, each company's culture will vary wildly.&quot; - that is particularly true in the US. Don't bother asking this question, you already have the answer." CreationDate="2016-11-05T13:00:43.413" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10475" PostId="4016" Score="0" Text="This question is extremely worthwhile. Best rephrased as &quot;What general observations can be made about a country's work culture?&quot;. Just don't phrase it &quot;an entire country's work culture&quot;." CreationDate="2016-11-07T12:18:04.983" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="10479" PostId="4016" Score="0" Text="Please retitle: **&quot;In general in country X's work culture, how hierarchical are employee-boss interactions? Can you disagree with your boss's recommendation?&quot;**" CreationDate="2016-11-07T13:33:14.277" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="10483" PostId="4016" Score="0" Text="@smci I eventually asked this question: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/79201/is-it-professional-to-disagree-with-a-superiors-technical-decision-in-front-of. I removed the country factor entirely. While I suspect that it may be possible to phrase a passable question about a country's work culture in general, enough high-reputation people here have indicated that they disagree. This leads me to think that the question would have no trouble getting 5 close votes, especially in this SE network which is known for being pretty quick to close questions." CreationDate="2016-11-07T14:27:49.320" UserDisplayName="user5621" />
  <row Id="10485" PostId="4016" Score="0" Text="But a) the &quot;in front of others&quot; makes it a different question! Also b) which &quot;others&quot;? peers? managers? subordinates? customers? c) In some formal review meeting, or hallway conversation, or over lunch? d) The &quot;Is it professional...&quot; wording as opposed to &quot;culturally acceptable&quot;, in only going to make it an opinion poll instead of a factual inquiry. e) You're conflating whether it's acceptable **to disagree at all** vs **doing so in front of others (peers)** vs **(subordinates)**. It's a hopeless mess!! (Does age matter? Does your/ their experience matter? Does the vocabulary you use matter?)" CreationDate="2016-11-07T15:17:15.940" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="10486" PostId="4016" Score="0" Text="@smci &quot;It's a hopeless mess&quot;. That's why stackexchange allows for users to edit questions and has comments for clarification purposes.  You're absolutely welcome to help me improve the question." CreationDate="2016-11-07T15:58:26.117" UserDisplayName="user5621" />
  <row Id="10487" PostId="4016" Score="0" Text="@stanri I just gave you five specifics. You can't ask 50 variants of a question, all jumbled into one. Pick one, e.g. *&quot;Is it culturally acceptable to disagree with a superior's technical decision in front of peers, at a review meeting?&quot;* or ask the unasked question *&quot;In which settings is it culturally acceptable to disagree with a superior's technical decision?&quot;*" CreationDate="2016-11-07T16:31:55.383" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="10469" PostId="4017" Score="1" Text="Additionally, there is no single &quot;Asian&quot; culture in the work place. I work with teams in countries all around the world including various Asian countries and there is not even a single culture within any of those countries. Companies often have their own culture, but even this is not universally true" CreationDate="2016-11-04T11:11:49.457" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="10470" PostId="4017" Score="1" Text="@RoryAlsop There isn't even a single Indian culture." CreationDate="2016-11-04T12:04:40.900" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10474" PostId="4017" Score="0" Text="By your same argument, no universal work culture exists in any country, not even Korea. But this question is extremely worthwhile. Best rephrased as &quot;What general observations can be made about US work culture?&quot; There are quite a few." CreationDate="2016-11-07T12:17:06.867" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="10476" PostId="4017" Score="0" Text="@smci I answered the question, you counter by saying that my answer is invalid because of a question not asked in your comment.  How does this make sense?" CreationDate="2016-11-07T13:19:54.260" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10478" PostId="4017" Score="0" Text="I said the original intent of the OP is good, just the phrasing &quot;entire country's work culture&quot; or &quot;universal CountryX's work culture&quot; are bad. Your comment &quot;state laws vary&quot; is irrelevant since they were asking &quot;How hierarchical are employee-boss interactions? Can you disagree with your boss's recommendation?&quot; I'll go fix the title now." CreationDate="2016-11-07T13:32:19.577" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="10480" PostId="4017" Score="0" Text="@smci laws are down-stream of culture and are therefore valid indicators of culture.  For example, the Jim Crow laws were indicative of a racist culture in the south." CreationDate="2016-11-07T13:43:14.273" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10481" PostId="4017" Score="0" Text="@RichardU no state or country law has ever defined anything remotely related to *&quot;How hierarchical are employee-boss interactions? Can you disagree with your boss's recommendation?&quot;*. Cite me a counterexample law if you can, please." CreationDate="2016-11-07T13:51:15.323" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="10482" PostId="4017" Score="0" Text="@smci I am not going to engage in a comment war with you," CreationDate="2016-11-07T14:12:34.757" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10477" PostId="4018" Score="0" Text="Trends, generalizations and tendencies are the best that you can do.  Even companies that have &quot;corporate cultures&quot; but have offices in different cities in the US can have cultures and laws that cause nightmares for the home offices." CreationDate="2016-11-07T13:23:54.630" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10490" PostId="4021" Score="1" Text="The problem you have here is the usage of language can have different intents. Some words are more offensive in American than in British. We can't just apply one rule to everything, instead you have to also take into account the intent of the usage of the language" CreationDate="2016-11-08T14:33:43.627" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="10491" PostId="4021" Score="1" Text="What prompted the question? I've dropped comments before with something along the lines of &quot;I suspect this may be a troll post&quot; as part of the reasons for downvoting/flagging/closing and that's fine, but I don't see any situation that calls for directly addressing someone and calling them a troll in the process. If things break down that far you just flag and move on." CreationDate="2016-11-08T14:47:44.437" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10492" PostId="4021" Score="1" Text="@Draken agreed.  Troll is one of those words that changes meaning depending on context, geography and community" CreationDate="2016-11-08T15:03:08.603" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10496" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="I'll concede that nationality affects perception, but I posit that &quot;troll&quot; is a word that has taken on it's own life in worldwide internet culture; it is pejorative and incites animosity rather than discussion. There are plenty of words you're not allowed to use on the internet even though they only pertain to minorities in one country. I don't think that's a good defense on Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2016-11-08T16:41:48.977" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10497" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="I asked this after noticing many instances of name-calling inciting uncivil discussions or even ending with users being suspended. Even if the term ended up being correct, I don't think it helped the situation." CreationDate="2016-11-08T16:42:42.367" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10502" PostId="4021" Score="3" Text="@DoritoStyle: can you post linkes to questions/answer/comments that offend you?" CreationDate="2016-11-08T17:13:54.987" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="10521" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="Did someone actually call someone a troll? Or did someone ask if a question/answer/comment was trolling? To me, they are two different things." CreationDate="2016-11-09T16:18:08.587" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10522" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="Specific Instances aren't important to me; I was hoping to establish some ideas in the Meta one way or another." CreationDate="2016-11-09T16:20:13.697" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10523" PostId="4021" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'm asking specifically about saying &quot;this person is a troll/ is trolling&quot;, but I don't think asking someone if they're trolling is within the &quot;assume good intent&quot; guideline" CreationDate="2016-11-09T16:22:15.447" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10498" PostId="4022" Score="0" Text="I asked this question in order to get feedback. If anyone has issues with my answer please let me know why." CreationDate="2016-11-08T16:43:08.800" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10514" PostId="4022" Score="1" Text="I think it's a useful answer. I also think the word has legitimate uses to describe specific behaviors, and I'd point out that most trolls, even when they know that's exactly what they are doing, will pretend to take offense at the term because that is likely to prolong the useless digression." CreationDate="2016-11-09T08:20:54.057" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="10494" PostId="4023" Score="3" Text="He says he tries to do so.  That doesn't mean the assumption is always correct.  Asking for input on whether to help or walk away, as the OP does here, seems fine to me." CreationDate="2016-11-08T15:41:14.303" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10500" PostId="4024" Score="1" Text="&quot;Posting a controversial topic is by definition trolling&quot; I disagree completely with that premise, from whence are you sourcing that?" CreationDate="2016-11-08T16:49:51.697" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10501" PostId="4024" Score="0" Text="re: IMO, &quot;troll&quot; is not an insult, it is a descriptive.&#xA;&#xA;It is a name for a description, and a reductive one at that. As I mentioned in my answer, you're then name calling about an action that assumes bad intent. I don't think there's a defense there." CreationDate="2016-11-08T16:52:06.043" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10503" PostId="4024" Score="2" Text="I never heard the term &quot;griefer&quot; before. Learn sumpthin new every day..." CreationDate="2016-11-08T17:16:40.550" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="10499" PostId="4025" Score="0" Text="At best, calling someone a troll accomplishes nothing, at worst it upsets the user. What's the value to that?" CreationDate="2016-11-08T16:44:33.257" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10495" PostId="4027" Score="0" Text="PDFTT has been effective since the good old days of Usenet.  just dated myself there.  There were also simultaneous ignore strikes, but the acronym for the complete term is unfortunate.  That said, I think that the frustration comes to those of us who see griefers coming in is that we really don't see any means to get them under control." CreationDate="2016-11-08T16:34:17.133" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10504" PostId="4027" Score="0" Text="Is calling someone a wonderful human being and kind person bad?" CreationDate="2016-11-08T18:06:23.397" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10505" PostId="4027" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings and the context is that somebody felt the need to ask the question?" CreationDate="2016-11-08T18:35:27.443" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10506" PostId="4027" Score="0" Text="Which is why they say at Walt Disney World [&quot;Have a Magical Day&quot;](http://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/672145/whisper-app-disney-staff-reveal-secrets-working-at-park)" CreationDate="2016-11-08T18:37:38.620" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10516" PostId="4027" Score="0" Text="Maybe it's because I'm old, but the word &quot;troll&quot; was taken from the fishing term, trolling, which is having multiple baited lines dragging behind a slow moving vessel.  It came into 'net speak as a metaphorical act of throwing out bait in the hopes that someone would take it.  Whether this was to bait someone into an answer or to bait them into a fight, the term itself was neutral." CreationDate="2016-11-09T13:22:33.747" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10532" PostId="4027" Score="2" Text="Whether a fishing term, or even a decades-old understanding of a net term, was neutral really doesn't have much bearing on current usage.  &quot;Trolling&quot; in the Internet context has been a negative term to most people for quite some time.  I don't think you're going to get much traction in trying to reform the word now, and I think it's pretty tangential for our meta." CreationDate="2016-11-10T15:31:05.097" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10515" PostId="4029" Score="0" Text="Correct, see [main meta](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/71123/i-accidentally-created-a-tag-how-do-i-delete-it)" CreationDate="2016-11-09T13:19:00.867" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10525" PostId="4029" Score="0" Text="Does the daily &quot;soft delete&quot; or whatever prevent &lt;300-rep users from reviving the tag?" CreationDate="2016-11-09T17:40:52.833" UserId="11193" />
  <row Id="10526" PostId="4029" Score="0" Text="No, but that's fairly unlikely in this case, so let's not worry about it. The linked answer gives more detail about what to do with &quot;problem&quot; tags." CreationDate="2016-11-09T18:01:17.667" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="10529" PostId="4029" Score="0" Text="@NickT I'm not aware of the soft-delete being a thing, I've commented on the linked question to ask for clarification." CreationDate="2016-11-10T13:45:28.847" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10533" PostId="4029" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal if you click the link in the post, on the first line it refers to the soft-delete thing." CreationDate="2016-11-10T19:25:20.660" UserId="11193" />
  <row Id="10537" PostId="4029" Score="0" Text="@NickT ... I'm aware, which is why I asked the author of the linked post why he's referring to it as a soft-delete. It seems to be the only user referring to automated tag removal as distinct from a regular delete." CreationDate="2016-11-12T14:14:01.573" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10519" PostId="4030" Score="0" Text="This isn't meant to single out specific cases; just to establish something in the meta about it :)" CreationDate="2016-11-09T15:20:10.157" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10518" PostId="4031" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Some questions surely must be a joke](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3483/some-questions-surely-must-be-a-joke)" CreationDate="2016-11-09T14:50:14.657" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10520" PostId="4031" Score="3" Text="If you look at the upvotes for the answers to this question (and other trivial questions and answers), the only conclusion is that no question is too trivial for The Workplace. Just vote - no need for closing the question based on triviality." CreationDate="2016-11-09T16:15:32.353" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10527" PostId="4031" Score="0" Text="I see lot of questions like this about how reacting to some social interaction with coworkers/boss. I'd say it's because we're often more concerned about how to behave daily with near coworker (+boos + customer) than with the rest of the workplace." CreationDate="2016-11-10T08:12:48.800" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10530" PostId="4031" Score="4" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'd say the only conclusion is that such trivial questions are dramatically more likely to reach HNQ and are the reason why this site is often considered a laughing stock among most sister sites. While I suppose that most such questions should be accepted under the typical SE guidelines, that state that there usually aren't any questions that are &quot;too easy&quot;, I'm not happy that these get so much exposure here." CreationDate="2016-11-10T13:48:48.637" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10531" PostId="4031" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - You may be right. I don't pretend to understand the choices or algorithms that put things on the HNQ. Many of them seem silly to me, but perhaps that's an attribute that is favored. I guess I won't be surprised to see questions like &quot;What phrase should I use when I answer the phone?&quot; or &quot;How should I greet the receptionist each day?&quot; I'm no longer surprised to see the flood of questions fitting the pattern &quot;How do I deal with a coworker who does [something I don't like]?&quot; There are many good things about The Workplace, but some not so good things too. So it goes." CreationDate="2016-11-10T14:40:19.573" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10535" PostId="4031" Score="1" Text="see also: [Word for someone who pretends not to know the answer to a simple question](http://english.stackexchange.com/q/357928/11429) :)" CreationDate="2016-11-11T20:51:48.747" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10538" PostId="4031" Score="4" Text="Possible duplicate of [No such thing as a stupid question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3105/no-such-thing-as-a-stupid-question)" CreationDate="2016-11-14T13:26:37.927" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10517" PostId="4032" Score="2" Text="+1 and jobs have been made and lost over things that at first blush would seem trivial." CreationDate="2016-11-09T14:39:55.130" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10593" PostId="4034" Score="1" Text="Usually those questions are downvoted, not closed. It will be less common on a site like this than SO." CreationDate="2016-11-18T22:45:39.560" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10534" PostId="4036" Score="0" Text="Good point. I ultimately did that and asked this : http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/79201/is-it-professional-to-disagree-with-a-superiors-technical-decision-in-front-of My question stemmed from feeling like I am too polite in the workplace given how much my coworkers disagree with my(our) boss." CreationDate="2016-11-10T21:23:51.467" UserDisplayName="user5621" />
  <row Id="10539" PostId="4039" Score="0" Text="Related: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/4004/can-we-remove-the-legal-advice-from-the-off-topic-close-reason  IMO that's the better suggestion for this close reason." CreationDate="2016-11-16T17:01:40.247" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10545" PostId="4039" Score="1" Text="The problem is &quot;Legal Advice is off topic&quot;... that is not the same as questions asking about the law or rights.  The law and rights are facts and not subject to opinion.  Advice is what you should do and that is opinion.  How can I do X is a process,  I have situation X i want result y in court is legal advice.  I have situation X I want result Y in my office is workplace advice, even if there are some legalities involved." CreationDate="2016-11-16T17:46:07.580" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10548" PostId="4039" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings what about the first part, or splitting the close reasons?" CreationDate="2016-11-16T18:56:11.170" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10550" PostId="4039" Score="0" Text="You can only have 3 custom close reasons." CreationDate="2016-11-16T20:02:07.270" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10541" PostId="4040" Score="0" Text="I like this alot" CreationDate="2016-11-16T17:19:48.967" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10547" PostId="4041" Score="0" Text="We could include it in the Description.  &quot;To narrow:  questions such as company specific policies, and .... (fill in the rest)" CreationDate="2016-11-16T18:55:34.323" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10551" PostId="4042" Score="0" Text="I'm not always too good with wording.  It comes and goes with me." CreationDate="2016-11-17T13:23:35.917" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10564" PostId="4043" Score="1" Text="The wording of that close message isn't under our control, just FYI.  That's what happens when people vote to close as off-topic but don't agree on a more-specific off-topic reason, or filled in a comment instead of choosing one.  We could probably do better with the help center, though; in particular, people occasionally ask if this site is just for office jobs and the answer to that is *no*." CreationDate="2016-11-17T16:13:43.800" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10572" PostId="4043" Score="2" Text="Is there a particular question you have in mind that calls into question the definition of &quot;workplace&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-11-17T17:37:23.617" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10590" PostId="4043" Score="1" Text="As frustrating as it may be, this will be a hard topic to address without some relevant examples." CreationDate="2016-11-18T20:57:19.627" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10558" PostId="4044" Score="0" Text="@Kaz feel free to edit for tone.  I'm very symptomatic today.  The point I'm trying to convey is that the &quot;Be nice&quot; policy has recently been pushed by people we know are trolls and who's accounts have been deactivated." CreationDate="2016-11-17T15:39:08.453" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10559" PostId="4044" Score="0" Text="Okay, what do you think a useful outcome for this Meta question would be? What do you think has gone wrong/what solutions/policy do you want people to discuss?" CreationDate="2016-11-17T15:42:07.853" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10560" PostId="4044" Score="0" Text="The impression I get is that your question might be something along the lines of &quot;How many people need to find something offensive before it becomes a violation of &quot;Be-Nice&quot;? Or are there certain topics that are automatic violations regardless of actual offence caused, and topics which are always allowed no matter how many people disagree?" CreationDate="2016-11-17T15:43:28.303" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10561" PostId="4044" Score="0" Text="@Kaz I changed it a bit.  essentially, I want to address people pushing the &quot;be nice&quot; policy past simply the intent of the poster to the opinion of the viewer." CreationDate="2016-11-17T15:43:51.330" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10562" PostId="4044" Score="0" Text="@Kaz a trend that I've seen elsewhere is this new kind of trolling where people pretend to be offended to get sites to change their policies.  I'd rather not see that happen here." CreationDate="2016-11-17T15:45:13.967" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10563" PostId="4044" Score="1" Text="Honest Question: Why not just follow the policy?" CreationDate="2016-11-17T15:50:15.277" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10565" PostId="4044" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle because the policy seems to be unstable, which is offensive to people on the autism spectrum, because I say so." CreationDate="2016-11-17T16:13:55.467" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10570" PostId="4044" Score="1" Text="The policy hasn't changed in a long time; how *exactly* is it unstable?" CreationDate="2016-11-17T16:38:45.493" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10573" PostId="4044" Score="0" Text="Maybe related : http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3884/penalizing-blunt-answers" CreationDate="2016-11-18T08:40:59.607" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10584" PostId="4044" Score="2" Text="This is far from an even-handed attempt at having this discussion." CreationDate="2016-11-18T19:38:24.160" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10585" PostId="4044" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan in-depth discussion about the main site is exactly what chat is for; attacking is certainly not. If you feel like the Be Nice policy has been broken then please flag it." CreationDate="2016-11-18T19:44:04.403" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10608" PostId="4044" Score="0" Text="@Kaz I think I finally got it right." CreationDate="2016-11-21T13:33:52.590" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10648" PostId="4044" Score="0" Text="@djechlin then you could have added a suggestion in the comment, you know, the whole reason that comments feature was set up?" CreationDate="2016-11-21T21:35:19.443" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10653" PostId="4044" Score="1" Text="@RichardU no, you've already made it clear [you just dismiss what I say](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/4044/how-to-strike-a-balance-between-the-be-nice-policy-and-being-too-nce/4046?noredirect=1#comment10607_4046). That comment was aimed at anyone debating whether to take this question seriously." CreationDate="2016-11-22T00:52:31.093" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10661" PostId="4044" Score="0" Text="@djechlin I don't think you appreciate the irony of that statement." CreationDate="2016-11-22T13:17:57.700" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10552" PostId="4045" Score="0" Text="The closure reason seems to indicate, however, that the issue given is not about a workplace. And while that page describes actionable things regarding the workplace, it doesn't describe what a workplace is for purposes of this site. &#xA;For example: if you run a daycare and have troubles keeping the kids in line, is that a workplace issue? What if you are dealing with parents or other carers?&#xA;Similar situations such as hospitals, schools, etc could be given that are tougher to define in this way. I've also seen multiple questions closed with this reason regarding self-employed situations." CreationDate="2016-11-17T14:34:35.260" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="10553" PostId="4045" Score="0" Text="@WeckarE. It's hard to comment on specific questions without being able to read them. Most of our questions deal with aspects that are common across many types of jobs. At a daycare, how to interact with parents (customers) and other carers (coworkers) would likely be on topic. How to deal with children would not be on-topic, because that is specific to being a daycare provider." CreationDate="2016-11-17T14:41:31.343" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10554" PostId="4045" Score="0" Text="Across multiple questions (that I now wish I had bookmarked) I've found that questions not relating to an office environment are often closed for this reason. I cannot say whether that is erroneous or not, but I still find the actual notice unclear." CreationDate="2016-11-17T15:01:21.327" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="10555" PostId="4045" Score="0" Text="I disagree, I think it's more wide : everything that can impact your career *or a company*. It start from the hiring to the leaving." CreationDate="2016-11-17T15:23:23.873" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10567" PostId="4046" Score="0" Text="We've had multiple trolls getting the mods chasing their tails over pretend offenses.  What would you call them?" CreationDate="2016-11-17T16:22:10.013" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10568" PostId="4046" Score="0" Text="I would just call them new users who need educating, *which is exactly what the Be Nice policy says to do*." CreationDate="2016-11-17T16:34:02.780" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10569" PostId="4046" Score="0" Text="You think they don't know what they're doing?" CreationDate="2016-11-17T16:36:07.103" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10571" PostId="4046" Score="1" Text="I think that has **absolutely** no bearing on the action you should take. A  mod made it even clearer in the chat room, &quot;leave moderation to the moderators&quot;, &quot;If someone's being hostile or their tone is needlessly combative, just flag it and move on.&quot;&#xA;&#xA;http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/33564406#33564406" CreationDate="2016-11-17T16:40:23.377" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10581" PostId="4046" Score="1" Text="@RichardU it's not really clear to me you've assumed good intentions from how you describe the situation." CreationDate="2016-11-18T19:30:56.250" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10607" PostId="4046" Score="0" Text="@djechlin since that seems to be your default stance with me, I'll view your comment through that lens." CreationDate="2016-11-21T13:25:17.633" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10679" PostId="4046" Score="0" Text="@RichardU If you think I've assumed bad intentions, please just point it out specifically or flag for mods." CreationDate="2016-11-22T16:51:25.020" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10574" PostId="4047" Score="2" Text="The fact that for some case it is drama-queens that want to get themselves amused I do agree, however I don't think it's always the case. Aniway +1 for the last sentence." CreationDate="2016-11-18T12:40:56.990" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10582" PostId="4047" Score="1" Text="Also +1 for last sentence, as the most even-handed thing I've seen on the topic." CreationDate="2016-11-18T19:32:09.557" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10588" PostId="4047" Score="1" Text="+1 Don't feed the trolls." CreationDate="2016-11-18T20:55:14.293" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10589" PostId="4047" Score="1" Text="I don't think it's about being offended at them being offended, but the demands that I, or anyone else be pushed into using language prescribed by someone else, and accused of bias if I don't.  more to the point, then getting dinged by mods if I don't." CreationDate="2016-11-18T20:56:44.750" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10591" PostId="4047" Score="2" Text="Just use any language you want, don't worry about the mods. I don't think I've noticed you toning down your answers and comments anyway... just plead bad English, it works for me." CreationDate="2016-11-18T21:51:44.013" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10601" PostId="4047" Score="1" Text="@RichardU when did you get &quot;dinged by mods&quot;?  The person claiming that gendered language = bias is not a mod.  And at least one mod said that no, we don't have a policy supporting edits to neuter posts." CreationDate="2016-11-20T03:19:34.863" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10606" PostId="4047" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I have not been dinged by the mods.  Sorry, I should have been more clear.  It is my **fear** that the people pushing their agendas may get it pushed into policy, and then the mods will have to enforce it.  This has not happened, just my concern that it may." CreationDate="2016-11-21T13:24:14.670" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10576" PostId="4051" Score="1" Text="This lower answer threshold, in turn, is an [unintended consequence](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2931/325) of stronger policies about comment visibility." CreationDate="2016-11-18T17:19:09.283" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10595" PostId="4051" Score="0" Text="Interesting trivia: while the page will update in the background that new answers were submitted, you do *not* get a &quot;Are you sure you want to answer&quot; pop-up if you haven't reloaded the page since they appeared so that's tied solely to that type of button." CreationDate="2016-11-18T23:24:15.633" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10596" PostId="4053" Score="1" Text="Minor comment here: Oded is technically a Stack Exchange employee and thus has moderator privileges on all sites, but isn't explicitly a moderator here." CreationDate="2016-11-19T15:43:12.890" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10610" PostId="4053" Score="0" Text="@enderland It struck me as strange because the moderation here is usually content for the community to police itself." CreationDate="2016-11-21T13:35:01.957" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10680" PostId="4053" Score="1" Text="@RichardU - I suspect Oded was just on the site and saw the question which is the type explicitly forbidden (asking for a list of possible answers) by the SE rules, and closed it.  It was probably not that it required immediate action so much as a chance occurance." CreationDate="2016-11-22T18:09:25.640" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10598" PostId="4054" Score="1" Text="I guess : &quot;ask his friends or coworkers&quot; is the only answer which is.. quite obvious." CreationDate="2016-11-19T15:49:35.753" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10611" PostId="4055" Score="0" Text="Right, and the community would have voted it down.  I was wondering what was so offensive/wrong about it that it required immediate moderator action." CreationDate="2016-11-21T13:35:57.050" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10604" PostId="4058" Score="1" Text="&quot;I don't know if it is allowed to ask for review of resume here at workplace.&quot; - it's not allowed." CreationDate="2016-11-20T15:01:39.563" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10609" PostId="4058" Score="0" Text="Invite me to a chat room, and post your resume there. I will review it for you. You are, of course, free to invite other users too." CreationDate="2016-11-21T13:34:38.110" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10655" PostId="4058" Score="1" Text="Why downvotes ? If not a good feature request question then it is atleast  informative for the users" CreationDate="2016-11-22T02:37:52.467" UserId="59933" />
  <row Id="10597" PostId="4061" Score="7" Text="Some people are trolls, others are just very different from what we see commonly. But I agree that I see lately questions where some people seems to need more help about their mental health (anxiety, overthinking details,...) than in the workplace." CreationDate="2016-11-19T15:43:43.170" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10599" PostId="4061" Score="1" Text="@Walfrat - I see that trend as well. I supposed it's not a surprise that if someone reads about mental health related issues here, they would be more likely to post one of their own." CreationDate="2016-11-19T20:39:08.293" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10605" PostId="4061" Score="1" Text="Seems very much like a [similar discussion](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/6701/server-fault-needs-professional-quality-questions-not-just-questions-from-profe) on serverfault that seems to be brought up [quite a few times](http://meta.serverfault.com/questions/5646/is-serverfault-doomed-not-if-we-all-vote-more)." CreationDate="2016-11-20T15:30:40.590" UserId="32778" />
  <row Id="10646" PostId="4061" Score="0" Text="That one was a real head scratcher.  The only possible way that the intent of that post could have been positive is if the OP was under some severe kind of personal distress." CreationDate="2016-11-21T19:26:52.440" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10673" PostId="4061" Score="0" Text="What is more scary is the number of up votes these questions get.  Just VTC and move on." CreationDate="2016-11-22T14:50:47.753" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="10684" PostId="4061" Score="0" Text="The bigger problem to me seems to be that not enough people are downvoting these type of borderline (or just plain bad) questions, and some even upvote them. That, combined with a few quickly written answers pushes this stuff onto HNQ which results in even more thanks to the strangeness of the question." CreationDate="2016-11-23T09:17:24.713" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10697" PostId="4061" Score="1" Text="@Walfrat The difference you seem to make between &quot;mental health issue&quot; and &quot;workplace issue&quot; seems a bit arbitrary and hard to make in general. Overthinking details is a mental health issue? In that case I guess we'll need an ICD code for &quot;nerd&quot; soon... For some people navigating their own and/or their colleagues issues or just... you know... personality is a non-negligible part of their working life, whether they want to or not." CreationDate="2016-11-24T09:04:41.223" UserId="57567" />
  <row Id="10698" PostId="4061" Score="0" Text="@SurprisedEuropean some people lack confidence and so overthink some things, that's not the point here, quite some questions have been answered as &quot;you're overthinking this&quot; without being borderline if not crap. Between overthinking about how should I write a mail or interact with a coworker, and remove myself from the paid system, I definitively think there is a gap." CreationDate="2016-11-24T09:12:17.083" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10699" PostId="4061" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat Yeah, the question you're referring to is really weird and in that case my suspicion is also that there's a mental health issue behind it. But my troll sensors didn't flash, some people really are that stressed out." CreationDate="2016-11-24T09:34:29.227" UserId="57567" />
  <row Id="10671" PostId="4062" Score="1" Text="On another site when I tried to narrow down the real problem I was told by you to accept the question as written" CreationDate="2016-11-22T14:37:47.403" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="10678" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="If it's the one I remember then there was very good reason :-)" CreationDate="2016-11-22T15:58:00.120" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="12127" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="@RoryAlsop I've asked a number of hypotheticals on parenting, and I don't believe any of them failed ;)" CreationDate="2017-03-27T20:19:13.307" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="12128" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="Yours were always well thought out and structured in such a way they would be helpful to future visitors, @beofett. That's relatively rare and says more about your posts than hypotheticals in general :-)" CreationDate="2017-03-27T20:29:28.137" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="12129" PostId="4062" Score="0" Text="Very kind of you, but that may have been due as much to my familiarity with the community as anything else; my attempt at a hypothetical question here is... not faring as well :)" CreationDate="2017-03-27T20:30:38.010" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="10723" PostId="4063" Score="0" Text="I should have known that any actual effort to assume good intent would be met with hostility here..." CreationDate="2016-11-30T13:39:56.820" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10600" PostId="4064" Score="13" Text="Full moons are global events.  They happen about once a month. :-)" CreationDate="2016-11-20T03:13:46.380" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10602" PostId="4064" Score="7" Text="@MonicaCellio sure, on Earth, but lots of Space Cadets on here :-)" CreationDate="2016-11-20T03:55:50.520" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10603" PostId="4065" Score="0" Text="I can understand @Kilisi" CreationDate="2016-11-20T05:29:26.240" UserId="59933" />
  <row Id="10612" PostId="4066" Score="1" Text="This is definitely an issue worth addressing" CreationDate="2016-11-21T14:07:18.230" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10613" PostId="4066" Score="1" Text="I haven't shared your experience.  I tend to come down on the other side.  In my experience people are overly sensitive and go out of their way to take offense.  In my opinion if people invested as much effort into assuming GOOD intentions in others as they presently invest into taking offense, there would be a lot less offended people around." CreationDate="2016-11-21T15:45:13.063" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10614" PostId="4066" Score="1" Text="If a statement can be construed two ways, why would anyone choose the offensive interpretation?  Why not assume good intentions on the part of the other person?  Isn't it the better choice for the sake of your own mental health?" CreationDate="2016-11-21T15:46:10.097" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10616" PostId="4067" Score="1" Text="+1 for agreement, this especially: &quot;I don't think we should be too quick to clamp down on anyone, as the trolls eventually reveal themselves as they escalate quickly when they are not getting the reactions they want.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-11-21T16:18:34.213" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10615" PostId="4068" Score="1" Text="I agree.  I don't think a ResumeReview site would be all that compelling.  Reviewing code is a lot more fun than reviewing a resume." CreationDate="2016-11-21T16:14:18.450" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10645" PostId="4068" Score="1" Text="Plus, reviewing a resume requires a lot of personal knowledge about the applicant and the company that we can't possibly know." CreationDate="2016-11-21T19:11:47.457" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10620" PostId="4069" Score="10" Text="If you do not like the social norms of an online community of volunteers, you're free and welcome to dissociate from it. I disagree that a discussion of the type of person an original asker is, is relevant to answering a general question. Given your activity on The Workplace, you don't have enough experience with it to make judgements about the entirety of it." CreationDate="2016-11-21T17:44:12.203" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="10626" PostId="4069" Score="2" Text="Rory to me this site (Workplace) is the only site where you literally have to second guess about clicking the add comment button.  Its almost like users are scared to post on this site.  Its a lot different then most SE sites, including SO, the main SE site." CreationDate="2016-11-21T17:47:06.923" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="10633" PostId="4069" Score="6" Text="Seems like your expectations about comments don't match the current policies. I guess that's a reason for you to despise the site. I think if you stick around, you'll probably get used to it." CreationDate="2016-11-21T17:49:08.970" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="10647" PostId="4069" Score="5" Text="If you want something to stay, make it in answer.  Comments are for improving the questions or subsequent answers and are ephemeral by nature" CreationDate="2016-11-21T19:39:11.117" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10650" PostId="4069" Score="5" Text="If you don't understand enough about SE to call moderators by their correct title (who are &quot;admins&quot;?), then it comes as no surprise that you haven't understood the policy around comments, either." CreationDate="2016-11-21T23:35:47.887" UserId="27355" />
  <row Id="10652" PostId="4069" Score="5" Text="Maybe you should rephrase your comments and craft a real Answer out of them? That way, they aren't temporary any longer, and won't be moved to Chat." CreationDate="2016-11-22T00:19:29.207" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10672" PostId="4069" Score="2" Text="I despised that question.   OP like a comment does not mean it is a comment that should be kept." CreationDate="2016-11-22T14:48:40.233" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="10682" PostId="4069" Score="3" Text="The topic of comments and the label of the button has been discussed before. See: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2750/7777" CreationDate="2016-11-22T22:32:28.017" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10619" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="This is a very unclear policy and if that is the case then comments should be renamed to &quot;clarifications to question...&quot; come on the point of comments is to make a comment.  When I see a button to add a comment it means I want to comment.  You will need to change the user interface if comment isn't and doesn't really mean comments.  You'll have to go to each and every answer across all the SE sites to impose such a horrible idea." CreationDate="2016-11-21T17:44:06.287" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="10624" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="Rory even if I read them, the UI says opposite.  To me it says &quot;Add Comment&quot;." CreationDate="2016-11-21T17:45:33.443" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="10628" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="It doesn't verify what you posted.  It just says they are post it notes, it doesn't say they are there to only ask for clarification.  Thumbs down." CreationDate="2016-11-21T17:47:55.697" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="10630" PostId="4070" Score="14" Text="Absolutely nothing about the word or idea of &quot;comment&quot; suggests they would need to be permanent or that they are unrestricted. That you interpret a UI one way when there is explicit clarification of the meaning and when others obviously don't share your interpretation, suggests the issue is entirely on your side." CreationDate="2016-11-21T17:48:35.570" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="10635" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="Rory, my point was not whether they are deleted my point was about what you mentioned when you said comments are only to be used for clarification and that is wrong." CreationDate="2016-11-21T17:49:18.150" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="10656" PostId="4070" Score="2" Text="I've had my comments deleted from this (and some other) sites so often I'm considering posting nothing but answers in the future if I have something meaningful to say.  I'm a moderator on Stack Overflow, where we have our share of extended comment chains, and I have to say I'm a bit baffled by the aggressive stance that The Workplace moderators take towards extended comment chains.  Moving civil, on-topic comments to chat solely because of their length, and then deleting them if people post further comments, is very disruptive, and frankly, I don't see the peril that is being defended against." CreationDate="2016-11-22T05:18:22.303" UserId="519" />
  <row Id="10658" PostId="4070" Score="6" Text="@RobertHarvey your Stack Overflow experience is totally irrelevant here. If you want fair comparison, first request Shog to [implement proper &quot;penalization&quot; instead of dirty hack made only to push SO questions from hot list in a few hours](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/250154/165773 &quot;explained in more details here&quot;). And after SO questions start hanging in spotlight of HNQ (and attracting comments because of that) for days or weeks like it is here - after that get back to us and tell us how it is great to have comments over there" CreationDate="2016-11-22T08:18:49.957" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10660" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="@gnat in the meantime continue deleting relevant comments like you guys have been cause you know us contributors have all the free time in the world to post stuff only to have it removed later. What a waste of time. The workplace is a disaster when it comes to the way you guys administer it. And if i say so myself Robert does an excellent  job on SO. Maybe you guys can take and learn from the way he handles things." CreationDate="2016-11-22T13:05:40.403" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="10665" PostId="4070" Score="3" Text="@JonH - I can see your point. It's frustrating for someone new to have content removed due to the rules not being clear. Perhaps it's possible to make changes to the UI. I would ask that you (or someone else) post that as an objective feature request, perhaps demonstrating how the UI could be tweaked. It could be as easy as help text in the comment box explaining what comments are for. There's no guarantee it would be implemented but we can try. In the meantime, it's our policy on this site to reduce the amount of noise and clutter as Q&amp;A is the goal, not discussion. Hope this helps." CreationDate="2016-11-22T13:29:06.370" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="10667" PostId="4070" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 FWIW I posted some notes on what I think is lacking (pretty badly) in move comments to chat feature [in this MSE discussion](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/279458/165773). _'System probably needs a way to &quot;promote&quot; worthy chat rooms and help readers see them. &quot;Here is an important discussion related to this post, follow this link to find it&quot;...'_" CreationDate="2016-11-22T13:33:05.963" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10668" PostId="4070" Score="6" Text="JonH - alternatively, please realise that all Stack Exchange sites are different. Yes, the mods over on SO do an amazing job (and I wouldn't want that job) but their approach would not work on various other sites. You think Workplace is a disaster, but many thousands disagree, so maybe it's just that you need to learn this site's ways, and how they differ to SO, rather than ranting at the established mores here." CreationDate="2016-11-22T13:40:30.223" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="10674" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="@RoryAlsop or you guys need to relax on removing comments that even the OP finds helpful.  Its two sided here so stop being so one sided on this.  This isn't a post about JonH vs the workplace.  Yes believe it or not this is a real request for you guys to stop removing content that HELPS people.  Its a comment, thats what the button says &quot;Add Comment&quot; and thats what people do - they add comments.  Want to know why you guys are constantly having to do this - because its there for people to do.  If you don't want to allow people to comment get rid of the button..otherwise continue wasting time." CreationDate="2016-11-22T15:17:58.393" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="19499" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="@JonH Regardin jmort253's helpful suggestion to make a feature request, as someone who has waded into meta.stackexchange a few times too many unprepared for the massive downvoting that followed, I would advise that before making a request there (if you're asking for a sitewide feature), make sure you're willing to take a decent hit to your rep on that stack, because feature requests often get downvoted very heavily, and once people start answering your question, you can't delete it.  So I would only post there if you're comfortable with losing 10, 20, 40, or more rep points on that stack." CreationDate="2019-05-13T20:10:38.140" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="19500" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="I am curious: why do comments/questions/(and even rants) about the way things are done on SE almost always turn into a strong defensive response?  This is an honest question.  Is it because SE power users and mods are putting in a lot of hard work that the rest of us don't see and are reasonably frustrated by suggestions they think will make their life worse?  Again, honest question here because I've asked questions like this one before with similar results.  And I can see both sides.  On the one hand people asking for the same thing over and over must be annoying..." CreationDate="2019-05-13T20:14:24.460" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="19501" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="...and on the other hand, if people are asking for the same things over and over, it could signal unmet customer demand, and thus the need for a more radical change, e.g. as JonH suggested, renaming &quot;Comments&quot;, which is btw valid within the context of other sites wherein Comments are pretty much universally permanent, not transient like they are here at SE.  So it's arguable that SE is violating the UX principle of least surprise by making comments transient and for improving questions only." CreationDate="2019-05-13T20:16:30.887" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="19502" PostId="4070" Score="0" Text="I'm not looking to start a flame war, just pointing out that perhaps *both sides are right* in situations like this one: those favoring (strongly) the status quo are right in that there are very good and valid reasons why things are the way they are, and without other major changes, there's no good reason to change things; and those favoring change are perhaps at times right in that SE exists today because it has users, and it will (hopefully) exist in the future because it will (hopefully) continue to have many many users.  How can SE balance the two?  Right now status quo usually wins." CreationDate="2019-05-13T20:20:52.567" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="10639" PostId="4071" Score="0" Text="I don't really care for rep (whether for answers or for comments) I just feel we lose a lot of understanding (sometimes yes outside of the question) to aid in a question.  Many times I even wonder am I really looking at the question I once commented on since they are drastically changed so much - and I notice it mainly on this site. I won't mention any names but there are a few mods on this site that do it all too much yet they are free to make their own comments and no one can say a thing about it.  Double standard and its difficult to have this." CreationDate="2016-11-21T17:57:40.403" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="10640" PostId="4071" Score="15" Text="I don't get your issue. If you post a comment pointing out a mistake in the question, and the OP corrects it, why do you still want the comment to stick around? What &quot;understanding&quot; do you lose if the comment gets deleted after its purpose has been served?" CreationDate="2016-11-21T18:01:49.127" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10666" PostId="4071" Score="5" Text="Another thing we encourage the community to do is this:  If there's something in the comments relevant to the question, edit it into the post. The goal of comments is to help an author improve their post, or to seek clarity. Once the clarity is found, putting it in the post body makes sure it's searchable, easily readable, and in a clear &quot;knowledge-base&quot; format." CreationDate="2016-11-22T13:32:18.327" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="10654" PostId="4073" Score="1" Text="&quot;Clutter&quot; is a suspect word. StackOverflow is something like 100x or 1000x bigger than us and remains pretty functional even though 99% of the questions are about languages and technology I don't know. Sure, let there be another kind of question on workplace.SE, if you don't like it filter it out. Why not." CreationDate="2016-11-22T00:57:15.073" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10659" PostId="4073" Score="1" Text="@djechlin disagree, SO is so big that it has quite some problems, the close queue is always at 7k~10k pending. Its so big that you can 't follow the last question list, you follow by tags, which means quite some are not followed. The SE.doc iseven worst on this point, some has very clean documentation, others don't. Because no one can cover that many tags which involves differents languages, techs, ..." CreationDate="2016-11-22T12:14:38.527" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10663" PostId="4073" Score="0" Text="I think &quot;clutter&quot; is the right word. I don't want to see The Workplace cluttered with &quot;please review my Resume&quot; requests. It would get out of hand very fast. Put that in it's own forum and interested people can go there." CreationDate="2016-11-22T13:21:12.670" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="10664" PostId="4074" Score="2" Text="You delete your own comments?" CreationDate="2016-11-22T13:24:22.577" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="10669" PostId="4074" Score="1" Text="@WorkerDrone this is generally considered normal and welcome, see for example this [badge proposal](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/182276/165773), this [proposal for SE Quality Project](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/285978/165773) and [Cleanup Crew hat description](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/271127/165773): &quot;earned by deleting 10 of your own comments on posts that fulfill certain criteria...&quot;" CreationDate="2016-11-22T14:12:33.540" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10676" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="@gnat - is everyone supposed to delete their comments?" CreationDate="2016-11-22T15:49:34.980" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="10677" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="@WorkerDrone it is desirable but since the system doesn't make deletion of own outdated comments convenient it is considered okay to leave them (to flaggers and moderators to occasionally take care of them)" CreationDate="2016-11-22T15:54:53.283" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10681" PostId="4074" Score="1" Text="@WorkerDrone - yes, I delete my own comments after a few days. That way, I'm not adding to &quot;our comment problem&quot;." CreationDate="2016-11-22T22:20:13.340" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10770" PostId="4074" Score="2" Text="@WorkerDrone http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2691/get-a-room-a-chat-room&#xA;&#xA;&quot;Make it a point to clean up your comments once they've served their purpose. For instance, if you've edited a post to include information from the comments, flag those comments as obsolete and/or delete them if they're your own.&quot;" CreationDate="2016-12-01T21:58:09.130" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10800" PostId="4074" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle - interesting. First I've heard of that." CreationDate="2016-12-05T13:01:23.650" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="10657" PostId="4075" Score="3" Text="`But somehow, he is not interested on handing over the FTP access to me.` -- Any answer to that question would require the ability to read your teammate's mind." CreationDate="2016-11-22T05:25:06.827" UserId="519" />
  <row Id="10683" PostId="4075" Score="0" Text="If your answer would focus on the security aspect, it is better suited to Security.SE." CreationDate="2016-11-23T07:38:02.600" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10685" PostId="4080" Score="6" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because the simple answer is clearly explained on the questions that are marked &quot;on hold&quot;, in the [help] and in excessive detail on the [main meta question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10582/what-is-a-closed-or-on-hold-question)" CreationDate="2016-11-23T11:22:29.697" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10696" PostId="4080" Score="0" Text="It might be a very simple question, and it might be a question that shows little research, but I don't see how it's off-topic." CreationDate="2016-11-24T05:06:48.940" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10686" PostId="4082" Score="2" Text="No, if thats the answer vtc and comment ask x. We can't answer those, so we shouldnt." CreationDate="2016-11-23T16:56:56.257" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10689" PostId="4082" Score="1" Text="Without an explanation, an answer like &quot;Go ask &lt;someone else&gt;&quot; may become useless in case if someone else posts an opposite opinion. For example, if someone posts a claim like _&quot;Avoid asking &lt;someone else&gt;&quot;_, how would it help reader to pick of two opposing opinions? At the very least I would suggest author editing it into a better shape, to meet [answer] guidelines" CreationDate="2016-11-23T18:39:34.117" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10694" PostId="4082" Score="1" Text="If you ask a question which makes one wonder, &quot;why are you asking us?&quot;, then that answer follows naturally. It is one of the reasons why I loosely interpret &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot; to *also* mean &quot;unclear *why* you're asking (us)&quot;. There are plenty of questions here of that variety." CreationDate="2016-11-24T04:50:10.070" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10809" PostId="4082" Score="0" Text="We have *far* bigger problems with closed questions. For one, we have a phenomenal close rate. For another, a startlingly high percentage of closed questions have answers that are basically OK. So to a new reader what is closing? A random inconvenient thing that can happen to you, that apparently has little to do with whether people can answer the question." CreationDate="2016-12-06T14:40:54.710" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10811" PostId="4082" Score="0" Text="@djechin feel free to ask that question here on meta." CreationDate="2016-12-06T15:43:46.403" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10812" PostId="4082" Score="0" Text="I just don't exactly have a proposal yet. General grips and rants get DVed on meta. Your problem may be symptomatic though." CreationDate="2016-12-06T16:22:25.867" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10687" PostId="4083" Score="3" Text="The more answers a problematic question has, the harder it usually is to fix it with an edit (because edits shouldn't invalidate existing upvoted answers).  So especially if a question is unclear, or more generally if it needs an edit before it can *reasonably* be answered, put it on hold ASAP so people stop answering based on guesses that might turn out to be wrong." CreationDate="2016-11-23T18:06:19.447" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10690" PostId="4083" Score="1" Text="Would it help if the close texts said more explicitly &quot;Please edit the question into a form that fits here -- provide the missing detail or trim out irrelevant detail, make clear what question you are really asking (after reviewing what kinds of questions work here and which don't), etc&quot;?  The other alternative is to arbitrarily delay CTC by first posting a comment and having it up voted, but I'm not sure that's strong enough. Unfortunately people don't understand the implications of hold, and we really can't expect them to until they have more experience" CreationDate="2016-11-23T19:24:11.517" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="10700" PostId="4083" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Well thats true, but I feel like that's an different problem." CreationDate="2016-11-24T13:15:40.267" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10688" PostId="4084" Score="2" Text="to me content of &quot;why&quot; part is what makes or breaks such answer. If it is presented as baseless hand-waving like &quot;we can't tell&quot; this hardly makes an answer. I expect why part to be properly **[backed up](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/5/168)** and well presented explanation helping asker understand whom and how to contact to address their issue" CreationDate="2016-11-23T18:35:50.770" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10693" PostId="4084" Score="1" Text="&quot;Ask the person who can answer this.&quot; is very often the correct response." CreationDate="2016-11-23T23:44:16.287" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10695" PostId="4084" Score="0" Text="Ask the person who can answer this, and here's why: because that person can answer this. Sounds good enough to me, no need for additional fluff. Although it points to a question smell. Example: Q: Can I go home early today? A: Ask your boss, because only he can answer this. (or, to put it more bluntly, why are you asking us instead of asking him?)" CreationDate="2016-11-24T04:55:07.190" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10701" PostId="4085" Score="0" Text="I would add to that list ask your vendor." CreationDate="2016-11-25T06:44:48.230" UserId="44976" />
  <row Id="10702" PostId="4087" Score="2" Text="If the answer is ask your manager there is a close reason of company specific that is far more appropriate" CreationDate="2016-11-26T03:24:44.210" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10703" PostId="4087" Score="0" Text="Since we can't change our minds on close reasons, some percentage of them are going to be wrong. Fixing that requires fixing SE, not Workplace." CreationDate="2016-11-26T17:38:13.747" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="10704" PostId="4087" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I think in some cases &quot;Ask your manager&quot; could be a legitimate (generally applicable) answer.  It doesn't automatically imply company-specific.  I agree with you on the specific answer you link to, though." CreationDate="2016-11-28T10:45:55.537" UserDisplayName="user45590" />
  <row Id="10705" PostId="4087" Score="2" Text="@Dan1111 - it is certianly applicable as part of an answer in some cases.  But if that is the only thing in the answer then I completely disagree" CreationDate="2016-11-28T13:33:34.737" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10803" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="and while you vote to close, another couple mediocre answers appear while the answer saying &quot;go ask your manager&quot; is omitted. In this situation I would strongly consider answering, then VTC." CreationDate="2016-12-06T01:16:39.737" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10805" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="@djechlin That's not something I can agree with and it's often seen as very hypocritical and point whoring on here. There are systems in place to deter bad answers and close votes should be cast quickly on a community this size. That's not always the case but doesn't mean we should resort to things like that. Just leave a comment to explain why it's a bad question. If people don't read that or don't see the close vote (which new users can't of course), then an answer that says the question can't be answered won't help much." CreationDate="2016-12-06T09:41:32.763" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10807" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="That reason isn't quite correct because some of the questions we close actually have answers that correctly answer the question. In this case the answer is too terse or generic to be of interest to us but it's not *wrong*. In SO it's &quot;write my code for me&quot; where someone elects to do it. So closed questions do have lingering answers that are good as far as the OP, not to mention future readers, are concerned. Thank you for acknowledging &quot;that's not always the case&quot; but I'm really claiming this is not exceptional at all. It just happens all the time." CreationDate="2016-12-06T14:37:58.253" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10808" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="More succinctly, closed questions with answers are basically in an inconsistent state. Some of those answers are sort of good. It sends the message that closing a question is mostly an inconvenient thing that can happen to the OP because see all these other closed questions with good answers. To a new reader it's not really even clear what closing is all about because it's certainly not about questions being unable to answer. workplace.SE also has a phenomenal close rate. We're doing something bigger wrong still." CreationDate="2016-12-06T14:39:41.110" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10810" PostId="4088" Score="0" Text="@djechlin That's really another discussion though and I'd suggest asking that as another question because I'm fairly sure most people would disagree with answering questions you've voted to close." CreationDate="2016-12-06T15:06:54.463" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10816" PostId="4088" Score="2" Text="Over at Hardware Recommendations, I usually just leave a comment on off-topic questions, simply stating that the question is off topic, and will likely be closed, and try and point the *usually* new user in a direction that may be more appropriate, be it another stack, or another website entirely.  This comes across as a little more polite than just voting to close, and less likely to alienate new users, though who knows how many actually come back, likely a lost cause, but I am a sucker for those." CreationDate="2016-12-07T06:43:36.967" UserId="58533" />
  <row Id="10706" PostId="4093" Score="1" Text="This is sort of a million-dollar-qurstion for stack exchange!" CreationDate="2016-11-29T00:56:42.133" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10707" PostId="4093" Score="5" Text="It's not a bad question just because a bunch of silly people wrote bad answers without bothering to check if they were novel or relevant. The only way to handle it better is for people not to be silly when answering - and that's reliant on the majority recognising the fact, wanting such  a change to happen, and acting to make it so." CreationDate="2016-11-29T05:29:36.043" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="10708" PostId="4093" Score="1" Text="related: [How aggressively should we maintain and improve very popular questions?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/103069/165773)" CreationDate="2016-11-29T05:59:13.337" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10743" PostId="4093" Score="0" Text="This reveals that whims guide the community, not any values.  If you look at the history of democracies without values, you find none of them lasted long." CreationDate="2016-11-30T19:05:39.063" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="10772" PostId="4093" Score="0" Text="black eyes are a common occurrence in some workplaces, totally relevant question." CreationDate="2016-12-02T13:49:56.777" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10709" PostId="4094" Score="1" Text="Possibly better to answer your own question and mark it as accepted rather than just editing the title." CreationDate="2016-11-29T19:34:15.897" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="10710" PostId="4096" Score="4" Text="The linked question seems on topic. But question about &quot;how do I do my job as a facility manager&quot; seem off-topic to me. Wasn't there a question about &quot;how do I stop people from taking my chair?&quot; a while back. They seem like the same sort of questions to me." CreationDate="2016-11-29T20:21:38.397" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="10721" PostId="4096" Score="1" Text="&quot;How do I do my job&quot; is certainly too broad to address, for almost any job. Specifics might or might not be on topic depending on whether they are really about the workplace rather than the facility. Creating and maintaining seem to be out of scope; operating ***with emphasis on how it affects and is affected by the workers*** might be in scope." CreationDate="2016-11-30T03:48:32.070" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="10722" PostId="4096" Score="1" Text="@keshlam That sounds reasonable, want to convert it to an answer? Perhaps this is just too broad a subject and its suitability for the site will have to be decided by the community's votes on a case by case basis? I think the aspectsyuou mention that affect employees could overlap with classic office management. &quot;*How do I properly secure a video projector in the conference room?*&quot; is a hardware question whereas &quot;*How do I determine how many projectors my company needs?*&quot; might be on topic, even if it's not a type of question we get often." CreationDate="2016-11-30T08:58:20.270" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10814" PostId="4096" Score="0" Text="We have tags for temperature and thermostat wars which are completely facilities management as well as some very popular questions related to facilities OH&amp;S.  I wouldn't VTC a question based on the fact that it was about facilities." CreationDate="2016-12-06T21:36:49.000" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="10815" PostId="4096" Score="0" Text="@Myles Those are a bit distinct in my view. Thermostat war questions are about sharing a space with other people and the pitfalls involved. A (pure) facility management question would be &quot;How can I lock the thermostats?&quot;." CreationDate="2016-12-06T22:30:26.870" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10736" PostId="4097" Score="2" Text="&quot;Why has it not been closed?&quot; - because not enough people have voted to close it." CreationDate="2016-11-30T17:26:59.403" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10711" PostId="4098" Score="0" Text="What is a general case?  Can you expand on that term and it's meaning in this context?  Can you point to a meta post or something that expands on that? I asked a question on workplace some time ago, which was clearly about the definition of a term. I told a story to expand on the history behind why I was asking.  My question was closed as opinion based.  This question also contains a story and a lot of random commentary on personality traits." CreationDate="2016-11-30T02:54:06.467" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="10712" PostId="4098" Score="0" Text="@mrsuttonsaiditfirst As in the answer, the general case is when you give a strategy (in this case, talk about what interests you), as opposed to the specific case where you give examples of what to talk about." CreationDate="2016-11-30T02:56:52.633" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="10713" PostId="4098" Score="0" Text="@mrsuttonsaiditfirst I have edited the answer." CreationDate="2016-11-30T02:57:50.967" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="10714" PostId="4098" Score="1" Text="I expanded on my comments.  It seems to me that Workplace moderation policies are based upon whims and not any knowable criteria." CreationDate="2016-11-30T03:00:11.580" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="10715" PostId="4098" Score="0" Text="This apparent attempt at a policy is not being followed: http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/2693/custom-off-topic-close-reasons-change/2696#2696" CreationDate="2016-11-30T03:02:40.027" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="10716" PostId="4098" Score="3" Text="Members of the community use their own discretion with regards to upvoting, downvoting or closing questions.  Sometimes I agree with the outcome, sometimes I don't.  But it's the _community_ that decides how to treat a particular question.  I have no doubt there are inconsistencies, but that's how a community-based moderation system works." CreationDate="2016-11-30T03:04:40.047" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="10717" PostId="4098" Score="0" Text="And that is why I don't post here anymore.  The &quot;community&quot; is ultimately a hierarchy of bullies who enjoy marking questions as &quot;closed&quot; or &quot;off-topic&quot; or &quot;Real questions have answers.&quot;  My question did have an answer and I was coming to the community to validate my intuitions about it.  Good people are avoiding it for that very reason. Moderators should be able to police blatantly off-topic content, but nothing else." CreationDate="2016-11-30T03:07:20.880" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="10718" PostId="4098" Score="2" Text="You always have the option of coming to meta with your question and explaining why it should be reopened.  A decent proportion of closed questions do get reopened, they sometimes only need minor adjustment to go from what the community deems unanswerable to answerable.  I suggest if you feel strongly that your question warrants reopening, that you post here in meta." CreationDate="2016-11-30T03:13:01.057" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="10719" PostId="4098" Score="2" Text="&quot;Moderators should be able to police blatantly off-topic content, but nothing else&quot;  Just to clarify, moderators don't close questions, users with the abilty to vote to close do.  Only on very rare occasions to the mods unilaterally close questions." CreationDate="2016-11-30T03:14:06.673" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="10720" PostId="4098" Score="1" Text="I appreciate your responses.  I will consider getting my question reviewed here for re-opening.  I was aware that users can vote to close." CreationDate="2016-11-30T03:47:38.753" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="10738" PostId="4099" Score="1" Text="This is clearly the correct answer to the question as asked. I don't know why it was downvoted." CreationDate="2016-11-30T17:28:08.170" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10739" PostId="4100" Score="0" Text="Let us [continue this discussion in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/49381/discussion-between-doritostyle-and-idrinkandiknowthings)." CreationDate="2016-11-30T17:36:15.183" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10740" PostId="4100" Score="1" Text="I've removed some of my comments to clean up the answer, but they can all be found in the previous chat link." CreationDate="2016-11-30T18:09:40.837" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10764" PostId="4101" Score="0" Text="Seems about right. I would argue that the way the linked question is worded boils down to &quot;How do I control resource X&quot; which opens the door for off-topic answers about physical security and control and which means the question itself comes across as off-topic. &quot;How do I get staff to realise why they shouldn't move the phones?&quot; would be better since then you're talking about enforcing and communicating policies." CreationDate="2016-12-01T10:17:49.177" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10767" PostId="4101" Score="0" Text="I do not think the point of closing questions is to preempt some off topic answers.  Questions are either a good fit and meet the criteria set about navigating the workplace or they dont.  Bad answers get down votes.  If we see a rash of bad answers on a question that is a different story.  But I do not think we should close questions just because they Might have some bad answers." CreationDate="2016-12-01T15:24:47.537" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10744" PostId="4102" Score="1" Text="I don't think it was closed because it was 'fun'. I would have voted to close as too broad, or opinion based, as it doesn't have an answer that I can see." CreationDate="2016-11-30T19:11:51.910" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="10745" PostId="4102" Score="0" Text="Those who answered it understood the question.  What you not seeing? It is about what constitutes bullying in the workplace." CreationDate="2016-11-30T19:14:22.463" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="10746" PostId="4102" Score="1" Text="The close reason is underneath your post: &quot;Real questions have answers. Rather than explaining why your situation is terrible, or why your boss/coworker makes you unhappy, explain what you want to do to make it better. &quot;" CreationDate="2016-11-30T19:30:11.047" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="10749" PostId="4102" Score="0" Text="This is not a duplicate.  I didn't ask for the question to be reopened." CreationDate="2016-11-30T20:19:42.477" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="10750" PostId="4102" Score="2" Text="You asked whether your question was on topic, which is essentially the same thing." CreationDate="2016-11-30T20:22:43.267" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10752" PostId="4102" Score="2" Text="If you already accepted an answer, why does it matter if the question is open or closed?" CreationDate="2016-11-30T21:51:10.430" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10753" PostId="4102" Score="0" Text="&quot;Those who answered it understood the question&quot; then the question probably needs clarification/simplification" CreationDate="2016-11-30T22:34:30.247" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10763" PostId="4102" Score="0" Text="[Can a question with an accepted answer be closed as unanswerable](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/258433/839601)" CreationDate="2016-12-01T07:23:11.650" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10748" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="1. Explicit questions are not necessary for there to be one.  2. Most words have objective meanings.  If they didn't, we couldn't communicate about anything.  I'm exploring our natural understanding of the word &quot;bullying&quot; in the social context of work.  The others who answered got my question.  Why cannot you?  Why do you get to police what a question is and isn't?  Status on Workplace?" CreationDate="2016-11-30T20:13:18.380" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="10754" PostId="4103" Score="1" Text="&quot;Explicit questions are not necessary for there to be one&quot; that is not correct at all by Stack Exchange standards. Questions should be simple, &amp; clear and inspire definitive answers." CreationDate="2016-11-30T22:46:41.983" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10755" PostId="4103" Score="2" Text="&quot;I'm exploring our natural understanding of the word &quot;bullying&quot; in the social context of work.&quot; This is not the proper place for that. There are many better suited discussion forums (heck, you can even use chat.stackexchange.com probably)." CreationDate="2016-11-30T22:47:31.120" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10756" PostId="4103" Score="3" Text="&quot;Why do you get to police what a question is&quot; because this is a community run site. We collectively vote etc. to decide what stays and what goes.&#xA;&#xA;You seem to have assumed some definition of Stack Exchange that was never the case?" CreationDate="2016-11-30T22:49:04.250" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10758" PostId="4103" Score="1" Text="Mrsutton - in this case I didn't police anything, but had I seen your post sooner I would have. As could any member of the community. As Dorito said, this is a community where anyone can help maintain quality. My status (or reputation) here isn't that high, but like anyone else could, I thought I'd answer to help you understand the position, as I understand it." CreationDate="2016-11-30T22:59:18.013" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="10760" PostId="4103" Score="0" Text="I apologize for starting this.  I hoped someone would advise me regarding what changes needed to be made." CreationDate="2016-12-01T00:37:33.903" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="10761" PostId="4104" Score="1" Text="I agree.  No one here has been able to provide an objective, reasonable definition of the requirements for questions.  It appears to me that the mob rules here.  That mentality never works for any human community.  Some core set of values or laws must be used as guides for governing, whatever that looks like.  I intend to leave workplace and may consider creating a competing site where Q&amp;A along with free flowing discussion is allowed." CreationDate="2016-12-01T00:46:02.177" UserDisplayName="user29416" />
  <row Id="10762" PostId="4104" Score="1" Text="SE never wanted to be the only site people use; there are lots of others already in existence with their own styles and goals, and that's a _good_ thing.  If you are looking for solutions, SE is a good place to ask,; if you are looking for discussion or opinions any of those would be appropriate. If you have yet another approach that justifies creating a new site rather than using be if those, ***go for it***." CreationDate="2016-12-01T03:12:38.123" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="10765" PostId="4104" Score="1" Text="@mrsuttonsaiditfirst - &quot; I intend to leave workplace and may consider creating a competing site where Q&amp;A along with free flowing discussion is allowed.&quot; - Once you have created your site, let us know how to find it. Some of us here might like to help." CreationDate="2016-12-01T10:39:58.247" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10768" PostId="4104" Score="0" Text="Be if -&gt; one of. Darned auto incorrect..." CreationDate="2016-12-01T16:22:25.797" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="10780" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="We can answer some legal questions.  The type of questions we can asnwer are those that are factual.  What is the law, what are the regulations, what is expected.  What we cant are advice questions, what shoudl I do, is this illegal, can I sue, can I be sued..." CreationDate="2016-12-02T21:48:28.933" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10781" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings - &quot;Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here. &quot; You are contradicting the TOS of this site. Try again." CreationDate="2016-12-02T22:14:53.410" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="10782" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="Legal advice... not legal information.  There is a huge difference" CreationDate="2016-12-02T22:22:30.083" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10783" PostId="4105" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings - As I said, you are contradicting the TOS of this site. There are 180 countries on this Earth, and you claim that we can give legal information on them? The question &quot;is this legal?&quot; amounts to soliciting legal advice." CreationDate="2016-12-02T22:25:30.213" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="10784" PostId="4105" Score="1" Text="&quot;Yes is this legal&quot; is advice.  &quot;What is the law&quot; is asking for factual information.  Just because you do not know the answer does not make it off topic." CreationDate="2016-12-02T22:56:17.493" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10786" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="I actually don't think that we can edit that page. We can edit [this page](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) but I don't see the ability to modify the text on that one?" CreationDate="2016-12-03T00:42:55.133" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10788" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="@enderland - editing the page you linked to explicitly add &quot;we don't offer legal advice&quot; to the list of Off-Topic Questions might help. Up to at least one third of the questions we end up closing ask for legal advice," CreationDate="2016-12-03T03:36:32.750" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="10789" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="@VietnhiPhuvan just FYI, once you have 10k rep you can look at the actual close vote statistics - if you go to Review --&gt; Tools --&gt; Close --&gt;  Question Close Stats (or just click [this link](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/tools/question-close-stats)). Only about 15% of questions get closed with that reason, which also is in the &quot;company specific&quot; criteria." CreationDate="2016-12-03T14:31:34.910" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10790" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="@enderland - thanks for the info. I was reacting to the latest surge of &quot;is it legal&quot; questions. Admittedly not cumulative statistics." CreationDate="2016-12-03T14:35:19.373" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="10791" PostId="4105" Score="0" Text="[Programmers Meta](http://meta.softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/) has a similar question - [Why was my question closed or down voted](http://meta.softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/q/6483/64132).  Perhaps something similar would be a good idea here?" CreationDate="2016-12-04T14:16:30.353" UserId="10905" />
  <row Id="10769" PostId="4107" Score="1" Text="Agreed. Money spends too much time on &quot;of course it's  a scam&quot;. I'd rather encourage folks to learn that if they have doubts about a situation that is probably sufficient reason to walk away from it." CreationDate="2016-12-01T16:25:05.337" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="10771" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="We'd never see the end of posts like that, agreed.  Plus, it also amounts to giving legal advice.  We could add something to the community wikki to show SIGNS of a scam" CreationDate="2016-12-02T13:09:37.143" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10773" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="A canonical answer about &quot;how check if a Job offer is serious&quot; would be enough for this." CreationDate="2016-12-02T15:19:52.233" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10774" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the feedback. This is why I asked before doing anything!" CreationDate="2016-12-02T16:58:47.920" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10813" PostId="4107" Score="0" Text="@keshlam if you want to encourage folks to learn it it seems necessary they be allowed to ask about it here." CreationDate="2016-12-06T16:23:45.340" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10785" PostId="4109" Score="2" Text="In addition to the answers here, I think sometimes people don't really know they are &quot;naming/shaming&quot; as they are innocently asking a question. There definitely have been cases here of intentional naming/shaming, but this one feels a bit innocent. Given that the company in question appears to be aware of this I'm less concerned with this remaining in the edit history, too, but ultimately it's a dup anyways." CreationDate="2016-12-03T00:11:50.420" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10830" PostId="4109" Score="2" Text="We don't ever want to be in the position where a company catches wind of it and sues.  SE is too big of a target" CreationDate="2016-12-08T15:15:57.207" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10775" PostId="4110" Score="3" Text="I can understand the argument to remove company names, but why sanitize the edit history? I've only heard that being done to protect individual's information that was shared without their permission, not to protect companies whose information is publicly available." CreationDate="2016-12-02T18:58:48.120" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10776" PostId="4110" Score="2" Text="@DavidK I would say that it would be on a case-by-case basis. Depending on what the OP would be trying to shame, it could be warranted. I did choose my words carefully and intentionally when I said &quot;to determine IF&quot; it needs to be removed. For instance, they may want to remove a company's name if the &quot;naming&quot; was particularly libelous like accusing the company of a heinous crime." CreationDate="2016-12-02T19:35:34.040" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="10777" PostId="4110" Score="1" Text="And an example off the top of my head would be a question asking how to best handle that they found ABC International was selling secrets to the Chinese. SE might want to remove something that libelous from being viewed anywhere publicly." CreationDate="2016-12-02T19:48:57.157" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="10794" PostId="4110" Score="0" Text="@DavidK That's something only mods can do and as Christopher says the right course of action will depend on the situation. I'd like a mod to chime in here to confirm that it's good to flag but I think bringing it to their attention is warranted in most of these cases." CreationDate="2016-12-04T23:52:07.617" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10795" PostId="4111" Score="0" Text="Why not edit them?" CreationDate="2016-12-04T23:52:24.860" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10796" PostId="4111" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal it's better to flag them so a mod can edit it and remove it even from the history." CreationDate="2016-12-05T08:17:58.283" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10797" PostId="4111" Score="1" Text="@Walfrat Well yes, but why not do both? Get it off the site asap and leave it to the mods to determine if the history should be sanitised as well." CreationDate="2016-12-05T08:34:38.710" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10798" PostId="4111" Score="2" Text="@Lilienthal - I thought we were asked not to edit such posts?" CreationDate="2016-12-05T11:41:14.867" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10799" PostId="4111" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Really? Never heard of that. As far as I know that only applies to spam posts where editing out the link would make it less obvious to tell that it's a spam post and would invalidate the automatic delete. I guess we'll need a mod to confirm the best practice here." CreationDate="2016-12-05T11:49:36.340" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10801" PostId="4111" Score="2" Text="@Lilienthal - I might have conflated &quot;how to handle spam&quot; with something else. I thought if we were flagging a question/answer for removal (for any reason) we were asked not to edit it so that the Moderator could make a properly-informed decision more easily." CreationDate="2016-12-05T21:14:47.573" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10778" PostId="4112" Score="3" Text="I respectfully disagree with the thought that they would want this fact advertised on this site." CreationDate="2016-12-02T19:54:28.067" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10779" PostId="4112" Score="1" Text="I agree with this answer. Shaming is, by definition, speaking negatively about a company. Sharing this information says nothing about the company other than that someone else is pretending to be them. The fact that they post this information on the front page of their own webpage (and not hidden on the careers page) should tell you they don't mind spreading that information." CreationDate="2016-12-02T20:33:25.453" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10787" PostId="4112" Score="4" Text="You are bringing attention to their plight without their permission. Particularly with the way the question contents morphed, many people may think it was the company, rather than the scam agency that was at fault. This answer should be deleted." CreationDate="2016-12-03T00:46:53.293" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10793" PostId="4113" Score="0" Text="Not quite yay, but yea anyway." CreationDate="2016-12-04T22:53:44.790" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="10954" PostId="4113" Score="0" Text="Just had a big laugh about my hat, it's so silly har har, big YAY!" CreationDate="2016-12-22T09:18:54.407" UserId="1953" />
  <row Id="10792" PostId="4114" Score="1" Text="Yay! It's *hat* time of the year again :)" CreationDate="2016-12-04T18:35:30.140" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="10806" PostId="4114" Score="1" Text="Wait, there's a site that doesn't like hats? They like fun even less than we do!" CreationDate="2016-12-06T13:25:00.263" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10817" PostId="4114" Score="8" Text="Which site doesn't like hats?" CreationDate="2016-12-07T16:04:49.637" UserDisplayName="user27483" />
  <row Id="10933" PostId="4114" Score="0" Text="@WorkerWithoutACause Math Overflow" CreationDate="2016-12-20T18:30:44.223" UserId="9936" />
  <row Id="10802" PostId="4115" Score="2" Text="Maybe the HNQ algorithm should emphasize &quot;very probably a good question&quot; signal? e.g. votes from established users" CreationDate="2016-12-06T01:15:11.307" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10804" PostId="4115" Score="3" Text="@djechlin Practically every established user on SE has a problem with at least some aspect of the algortihm but nothing has changed yet. My guess is that SE's take on it is that it works well enough for what it is and is a huge view driver." CreationDate="2016-12-06T09:40:02.083" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10831" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="Only in the case where it is genuinely unlikely that the question would help anyone else." CreationDate="2016-12-08T16:06:43.350" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11030" PostId="4116" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings In that case the post would benefit from being edited to be more generally applicable." CreationDate="2017-01-01T14:36:17.797" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10818" PostId="4117" Score="13" Text="*the next 7 - 10 days* can you make that 6-8 weeks?" CreationDate="2016-12-07T16:09:52.930" UserId="33983" />
  <row Id="10819" PostId="4117" Score="4" Text="Perhaps forever?" CreationDate="2016-12-07T16:12:20.730" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10820" PostId="4117" Score="5" Text="If these measures had been in effect for the last year, how many non-spam posts would have been erroneously deleted (&quot;false positives&quot;)? I suspect is that the answer is &quot;very few&quot;, or even &quot;none&quot;. I therefore support @Kaz's suggestion that the lower threshold stay in effect for the indefinite future." CreationDate="2016-12-07T16:42:41.153" UserId="17125" />
  <row Id="10821" PostId="4117" Score="4" Text="Let's see how this goes. We're keeping our options open as we continue to do some work on overhauling the spam system to deal with new types of threats." CreationDate="2016-12-07T16:45:58.840" UserId="5657" />
  <row Id="10822" PostId="4117" Score="1" Text="@StephanKolassa It is very few to none. Most posts pick up at most one erroneous spam / abuse flag, rarely two, never three unless it's a targeted effort in which case that becomes a pattern of abuse and we have ways of dealing with that :) Need to run some more numbers going back more, though, but my few years as a mod on Stack Overflow was enough confidence to go ahead and do this quickly." CreationDate="2016-12-07T16:47:29.607" UserId="5657" />
  <row Id="10823" PostId="4117" Score="14" Text="&quot;So you've been getting hammered. &quot; - have we? I've flagged a few spam posts myself, but wonder what volume does it take to be considered &quot;hammered&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-12-07T17:24:47.800" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10824" PostId="4117" Score="10" Text="@JoeStrazzere just eyeballing it, we're averaging about 10 spam posts per day." CreationDate="2016-12-07T19:35:20.373" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10825" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="I've been flagging at least one or two a day." CreationDate="2016-12-08T00:38:52.570" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="10826" PostId="4117" Score="5" Text="[NO!!!!](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigNo) Now I need to put in twice as much effort to get the [marshal](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/badges/76/marshal) badge. [Screw This, I'm Outta Here!](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ScrewThisImOuttaHere) ;-)" CreationDate="2016-12-08T04:09:34.193" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10827" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="Do we have any stats on spam posts' uptime before deletion?" CreationDate="2016-12-08T07:49:46.780" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10828" PostId="4117" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere [here](https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/search?body=&amp;commit=Search&amp;feedback=&amp;option=graphs&amp;reason=&amp;site=156&amp;title=&amp;user_rep_direction=%3E%3D&amp;user_reputation=0&amp;username=&amp;utf8=%E2%9C%93&amp;why=#graphs) is an overview of the amount of spam posts that made it to the site in the last month and were detected by [Smoke Detector](https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/wiki). It detects all spam of the 'hormone pills' variety, and most of the sneakier stuff as well." CreationDate="2016-12-08T08:47:06.640" UserId="33983" />
  <row Id="10829" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="By the way I think I saw a new type of spam answer in Programmers.SE. The question had copy/paste a part of 2 different answers and add a link at the end of the post." CreationDate="2016-12-08T10:17:28.133" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="10832" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="@Glorfindel - hmm. Doesn't seem like a lot - I expected more. I know of many sites that truly get &quot;hammered&quot;. Still, it's good to automate it away as quickly as possible." CreationDate="2016-12-08T18:12:58.380" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10833" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat Smoke Detector usually catches those as well, because the links in those answers link to well-known spam sites. Still, you're more than welcome to report such posts in [Charcoal HQ](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/11540/charcoal-hq) and improve the filter." CreationDate="2016-12-08T18:16:24.220" UserId="33983" />
  <row Id="10834" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal neither SEDE nor mods have that data (except by manually looking at deleted spam and doing the computations), so an SE employee would have to get that for us." CreationDate="2016-12-09T17:56:54.480" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10835" PostId="4117" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Shame, I think that would be a more useful metric to have than mere volume. Still, while I haven't seen it be a problem, I suppose it's nice to lower the threshold anyway." CreationDate="2016-12-09T21:34:31.890" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10840" PostId="4117" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal This is network wide, but (again from SmokeDetector) we have a [graph](https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/graphs) of time-to-deletion for spam posts. Last graph on the page." CreationDate="2016-12-11T20:11:24.697" UserId="27355" />
  <row Id="10839" PostId="4118" Score="2" Text="Have you gone through the [help]? Have you read the dozens of previous meta questions on this topic?" CreationDate="2016-12-11T18:21:45.110" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10876" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I am not trying to focus on &quot;what is off/on-topic&quot;, but rather what we can do to encourage users to try and edit/fix a question, rather than just voting to close (assuming they have the time)." CreationDate="2016-12-12T22:04:44.903" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="10892" PostId="4118" Score="2" Text="That's not what your question first said and what the body still says tells me that you have the wrong idea about SE's goals. And all this is mentioned in the previous topics as this comes up every few months. Almost invariable the &quot;problem&quot; is identified by a new user who hasn't yet seen how our community works and what makes for good and answerable questions. Remember: we are *not* an advice column, despite significant overlap. The end goal is to have a repository of good and on-topic questions with high quality answers." CreationDate="2016-12-13T09:43:08.403" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10895" PostId="4118" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Can we make that more apparent to those who ask questions then? I can guarantee that I am not the only one confused on to how exactly the site works (being less of an advice site and more of a quality question repository). It makes no sense to tackle the problem by having people vote to close 1/3 of all the questions asked. Instead, why not at least try and fix the root of the problem, which is people asking questions that we &quot;can't&quot; answer on this site." CreationDate="2016-12-13T16:44:44.580" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="10903" PostId="4118" Score="3" Text="&quot;*is people asking questions that we &quot;can't&quot; answer on this site*&quot; If you figure out how to solve that problem do let me know. The vast majority of such questions are from users who don't read the help, don't check the info that pop ups on the question submission screen, don't check previous questions and most of them never interact with the site again. Our close rate is so high because we attract a non-technical audience that has never heard of SE and are inexperienced with online platforms. Beyond guiding new users there's not much we can do." CreationDate="2016-12-13T20:54:00.673" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10904" PostId="4118" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal Thanks for your insight. Glad we could have a respectful discussion even though this topic appears to be a recurring annoyance." CreationDate="2016-12-13T22:03:14.050" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="10905" PostId="4118" Score="2" Text="Of course, that's what meta is for. Even if it comes up regularly most of the community doesn't mind it as it forces us to reflect on how we treat newcomers. And the people who raise these issues on meta often turn into good contributors or can help new people with editing their questions to match the topics we cover." CreationDate="2016-12-13T22:31:06.103" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10911" PostId="4118" Score="1" Text="I would note that the question is still career advice which is something that is specifically off topic here." CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:58:24.387" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10836" PostId="4120" Score="0" Text="To expand on this; if a question can be saved then one shouldn't expect anyone but themselves to make the effort to do so. The Workplace gets *so* traffic that questions must prove their value and not their potential." CreationDate="2016-12-10T01:06:16.777" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10838" PostId="4120" Score="5" Text="Further, putting a fixable question, but one that still requires an edit, on hold is *the correct thing to do*.  Fix the question and then reopen it.  This way people don't invest in answers based on guesses that turn out to be wrong." CreationDate="2016-12-10T23:04:20.230" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10865" PostId="4120" Score="0" Text="@enderland Right, and the main problem I am seeing is that I get to a post that definitely could be edited (as I have done myself), and notice that 3 or more people have already voted to close without even an attempt to edit the question. This is my main complaint. There seem to be people who get a kick out of finding slightly off-topic questions and immediately voting to close." CreationDate="2016-12-12T15:52:43.950" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="10869" PostId="4120" Score="2" Text="@Prodnegel Please read Monica's comment above you. If a question is currently off-topic, it should be closed and *then* edited to fix it. If the community agrees that the question has been fixed, it can then be reopened. This is a core feature of the entire Stack Exchange network: &quot;[What is a “closed” or “on hold” question?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10582/what-is-a-closed-or-on-hold-question)&quot;" CreationDate="2016-12-12T20:15:08.297" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10870" PostId="4120" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Please use some inference. If I noticed that people were closing AND editing to fix, I wouldn't have a problem. The problem I am having is with people who simply vote to close WITHOUT returning to edit to fix it. Might I add that you too seem to be borderline obsessed with the &quot;rules&quot; and gloss over the opportunity to actually help someone, which is the actual core feature of the entire Stack Exchange network." CreationDate="2016-12-12T20:49:22.050" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="10873" PostId="4120" Score="4" Text="@Prodnegel Fixing a question to make it on-topic requires careful thought to make sure that all of the problems are addressed so it will get the reopen votes it deserves. It's easy to see when something is off-topic and vote to close, but we don't always have the time and energy it takes to fix it, especially when the question is not easily salvageable (like both question you link). If you see a question you think is a candidate to be edited and reopened, then **do it**." CreationDate="2016-12-12T21:03:00.567" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10874" PostId="4120" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Okay, well my point still stands. I am seeing some of the Workplace's top posters simply vote to close instead of taking the extra 2 or 3 minutes to edit it. I know these people have the extra 2 or 3 minutes because they seem to answer almost every question out there, regardless of the quality of their answer. I guess this goes back to one of my earlier points being that there are a handful of posters who only care about the shiny badges and rep score, and very rarely even attempt to edit/fix the question (given they have the time)." CreationDate="2016-12-12T22:00:46.750" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="10875" PostId="4120" Score="1" Text="@DavidK I just want to help these people asking questions, really do not mean to criticize other users on this site." CreationDate="2016-12-12T22:01:55.710" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="10893" PostId="4120" Score="1" Text="@Prodnegel You say you don't mean to criticize, yet you accuse high rep users of only caring about the badges and the reputation. The top posters here have been around a while and have a lot of experience assessing the value of poorly-formed questions. **Not every question is worth saving.**" CreationDate="2016-12-13T13:44:05.410" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10894" PostId="4120" Score="3" Text="Everyone will have a different opinion on which questions are worthwhile or not. You are allowed to disagree. But if you think a question is worth fixing when others do not, **then edit it yourself and try to get it reopened.** You cannot ask us to try and save questions we don't think are worthwhile, just as we cannot ask you to close questions you think are worthwhile. This is a community run site, and you are as much a part of the community as any of us." CreationDate="2016-12-13T13:47:00.450" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10866" PostId="4122" Score="1" Text="I guess my main complaint is that there are far more people who immediately vote to close instead of thinking if there is a way to rephrase the question to make it better and answerable." CreationDate="2016-12-12T15:53:35.303" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="10841" PostId="4124" Score="1" Text="Small note: Assuming this is your normal manner of speech, I've never seen the word 'pilloried' used before, so it makes the question a bit fuzzy." CreationDate="2016-12-11T22:44:44.010" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10843" PostId="4124" Score="0" Text="Do you think it might be my mode of speech that's causing the problem? Do I come off as... I'm very interested in the modalities of speech and have a lot of time for Oliver Kamm's opinions on Chomsky's ideas on linguistics. Might this be an affecting factor?" CreationDate="2016-12-12T10:32:38.750" UserId="60751" />
  <row Id="10847" PostId="4124" Score="8" Text="@TheMasterPriest - no memes involved. Try not to be paranoid. I'm guessing your answer was downvoted because &quot;pay more&quot; is a foolish response to &quot;how to deal with a crying developer&quot;." CreationDate="2016-12-12T11:13:24.007" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10845" PostId="4126" Score="0" Text="So you personally believe the downvote to be a protest at the answering of a question that has already been answered a lot already?&#xA;&#xA;I would assume that paying someone more is very actionable in circumstances where, as detailed in the question, the employee is described as being extremely valuable to the company, but I have only had my business two years, so perhaps...?&#xA;&#xA;The rest constituted an attempt to empathise with the employee, but perhaps for an upvote I should also have attempted to empathise with the employer?" CreationDate="2016-12-12T10:36:12.140" UserId="60751" />
  <row Id="10848" PostId="4126" Score="4" Text="Empathizing isn't the point of the site, giving specific advice is the point. You also have no evidence as to why more pay would help the situation with the crying, so it's completely off topic. Your answer want useful to the question asked and therefore deserved no votes at best." CreationDate="2016-12-12T14:03:57.847" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10855" PostId="4126" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle Empathising is the duty of every employer. Always." CreationDate="2016-12-12T14:32:28.140" UserId="60751" />
  <row Id="10859" PostId="4126" Score="4" Text="@TheMasterPriest the duty of every employer is it's continued existence of it's status as an employer.  Anything else is self-defeating." CreationDate="2016-12-12T15:06:42.160" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10862" PostId="4126" Score="1" Text="The &quot;duty of every employer&quot; is frankly irrelevant to this question/answer site, and your refusal to assume good intent is not helpful." CreationDate="2016-12-12T15:32:27.900" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10850" PostId="4127" Score="0" Text="How do you view a timeline? Does this happen on all questions, or just some of them?" CreationDate="2016-12-12T14:17:27.683" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10851" PostId="4127" Score="1" Text="@DavidK this is one of the [unlinked pages](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/76569/209901). All posts have a timeline. Just get its ID and then open `posts/ID/timeline`. For example, this post's timeline is http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/4127/timeline" CreationDate="2016-12-12T14:20:39.950" UserId="17590" />
  <row Id="10857" PostId="4127" Score="0" Text="@fedorqui that's pretty cool. I really need to delve more into the SE api stuff." CreationDate="2016-12-12T14:56:10.357" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="10858" PostId="4127" Score="0" Text="@ChristopherEstep you'll probably love [magic links](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/94000/209901) :)" CreationDate="2016-12-12T14:57:31.883" UserId="17590" />
  <row Id="10864" PostId="4128" Score="1" Text="@TheMasterPriest Kilis is right.  Both he and I get slammed hard routinely as our styles tend to be gruff at times.  I've had popular answer of mine catch almost 100 downvotes along with all of it's upvotes.  It happens." CreationDate="2016-12-12T15:47:06.783" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10919" PostId="4128" Score="0" Text="I thought it was because of my bad grammar...oh well... que sera sera" CreationDate="2016-12-16T23:30:20.197" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10856" PostId="4129" Score="0" Text="This can well be the case!! The case of [diy.se] seems to confirm it." CreationDate="2016-12-12T14:42:57.940" UserId="17590" />
  <row Id="10879" PostId="4129" Score="0" Text="Yeah, the CSS styling is actually applying the uppercase in some of those places (probably all of them, but I haven't gone looking).  It appears to be intentional." CreationDate="2016-12-13T00:03:03.750" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10889" PostId="4129" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio yes, there is this `.subheader h1` that has a `text-transform: uppercase`. Glad to know this was intentional, thanks! Note it looks cool in the front page, etc, but for _timeline_ and _review_ it looks like they are shouting to us :)" CreationDate="2016-12-13T07:31:16.780" UserId="17590" />
  <row Id="10861" PostId="4132" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the clear explanation." CreationDate="2016-12-12T15:28:17.470" UserId="57139" />
  <row Id="10891" PostId="4133" Score="3" Text="possibly related: [Copying questions that had a misfortune of being widely exposed in the hot list](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2445/168)" CreationDate="2016-12-13T07:57:11.793" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10920" PostId="4133" Score="2" Text="At least one of these questions looked really fake to me (&quot;Rain man&quot;), there was little to do though because even if mocking it met our standards well enough." CreationDate="2016-12-17T00:20:44.120" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="10912" PostId="4135" Score="0" Text="*This isn't Wikipedia. The site doesn't emphasize correctness/thoroughness as much as it emphasizes gamification* this is sadly true despite the stated goal of being otherwise." CreationDate="2016-12-14T16:00:42.527" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="10913" PostId="4135" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings - I truly believe actions speak louder than words. And the way the site is constructed/administered/monitored doesn't always align with anyone's stated goals. It's still a terrific site. But I don't expect they truly strive to be Wikipedia. That's not so sad." CreationDate="2016-12-14T16:54:44.180" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10877" PostId="4136" Score="12" Text="Agreed. And once someone reads a question about crying and thinks &quot;Hey, I cry too!&quot;, they are more likely to post their own similar question." CreationDate="2016-12-12T23:28:00.800" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10880" PostId="4136" Score="6" Text="Not to mention the Hot Network Questions makes it even more public and expands the likelihood of someone having a similar question finding this site." CreationDate="2016-12-13T00:30:35.157" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10910" PostId="4136" Score="3" Text="I deleted my answer as I hadn't considered this angle.  This is an excellent point, thank you for changing my perspective." CreationDate="2016-12-14T15:43:06.113" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10926" PostId="4137" Score="4" Text="Hugs. I was at work when I got the phone call from a concerned neighbour who had gone in to find my mother had died (living by herself on a farm, widowed and fighting leukaemia). That was four years ago and sometimes still feels like yesterday." CreationDate="2016-12-19T13:04:21.983" UserId="26570" />
  <row Id="10930" PostId="4137" Score="3" Text="@AndyDent a decade ago and can still evoke powerful emotions in me, I don't mind, it's good to remember her and it's healthy to feel vulnerably human once in a while (in private), cuts me down to size." CreationDate="2016-12-20T15:59:00.740" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10947" PostId="4137" Score="4" Text="I cried at work every day for year after my beloved died." CreationDate="2016-12-21T22:13:52.510" UserId="93" />
  <row Id="10881" PostId="4138" Score="3" Text="Just because something received upvoted is no indication that people found it helpful. Rather just that they found it relatable or funny, etc." CreationDate="2016-12-13T01:29:36.063" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10883" PostId="4138" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle It has been my experience that the up-vote does indeed correlate more closely with &quot;helpful&quot; and &quot;good&quot; and not just funny and relatable. If you up-vote for funny, then you're diluting the value of the site." CreationDate="2016-12-13T01:49:00.337" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="10885" PostId="4138" Score="1" Text="You have more than enough reputation to cast a reopen vote (?). Have you done so?" CreationDate="2016-12-13T02:45:11.137" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10888" PostId="4138" Score="0" Text="@enderland Now I have ;-)" CreationDate="2016-12-13T04:03:35.970" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="10890" PostId="4138" Score="3" Text="Possible duplicate of [Can we track the positive effects of a popular question?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/612/can-we-track-the-positive-effects-of-a-popular-question)" CreationDate="2016-12-13T07:47:26.373" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10906" PostId="4138" Score="2" Text="How much popularity does it take to make something not opinion-based? I just voted to re-open. IMHO, it's far less opinion-based than many other questions here." CreationDate="2016-12-13T22:49:27.700" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10907" PostId="4138" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I am glad you said it, given you've got the most clout on this site! This question was much less opinion-oriented, as OP proposed a solution and asked for experience-based feedback about what to expect. And many of the responses that have come back have related personal experience with similar arrangements. In my opinion (oops there's that word again), this is a useful and helpful question to keep around on the board. I know the close/reopen voting mechanism is working, though, so I don't have any real complaint other than we should be less quick on our VTC for opinions." CreationDate="2016-12-14T00:49:37.773" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="10908" PostId="4138" Score="1" Text="@KentA. - I have exactly zero clout. But I also believe that we should be closing fewer questions." CreationDate="2016-12-14T00:57:34.987" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10917" PostId="4138" Score="1" Text="*argumentum ad numeram*" CreationDate="2016-12-15T01:28:57.210" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="10929" PostId="4138" Score="2" Text="Keep in mind that popularity is a meaningless concept for something that hits HNQ. HNQ surfers frequently upvote but don't downvote questions as often and virtually never downvote answers." CreationDate="2016-12-20T13:18:29.840" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10942" PostId="4138" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal This meta post wasn't so much about popularity as it was about being a very useful question, with multiple useful answers. I understand that &quot;useful&quot; is an opinion statement. But everything on The Workplace is an opinion to some degree. Fortunately, the existing system works, and the question was voted to reopen." CreationDate="2016-12-21T13:51:12.773" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="10943" PostId="4138" Score="0" Text="That's a pretty poorly chosen title then. :)" CreationDate="2016-12-21T13:52:47.840" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10944" PostId="4138" Score="0" Text="Good point. I edited the title to be more clear." CreationDate="2016-12-21T13:54:40.770" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="10878" PostId="4139" Score="1" Text="I remember seeing that advice. :)" CreationDate="2016-12-13T00:01:30.290" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="10884" PostId="4141" Score="0" Text="While I agree that popularity is not a proxy for quality, this particular post contained a lot of quality." CreationDate="2016-12-13T01:49:45.427" UserId="33312" />
  <row Id="10887" PostId="4141" Score="0" Text="Ah, is this about the specific question or general policy?" CreationDate="2016-12-13T03:09:42.930" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10900" PostId="4142" Score="7" Text="I guess I meant more of the &quot;ongoing crying jags&quot; or &quot;crying every code review&quot; type of sob story. Not the normal human reaction to bad things in the world." CreationDate="2016-12-13T18:26:42.457" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="10901" PostId="4144" Score="3" Text="Wow that question close log is interesting with two moderators being the first two close votes, prior to their diamond..." CreationDate="2016-12-13T20:22:00.427" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10918" PostId="4144" Score="0" Text="It should be closed because I expected to hear some good jokes when I clicked on it..." CreationDate="2016-12-15T17:00:52.060" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="10909" PostId="4146" Score="1" Text="My bad.  I saw the edits and missed the date AND the answer." CreationDate="2016-12-14T14:39:16.153" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10914" PostId="4146" Score="1" Text="I do that all the time" CreationDate="2016-12-14T17:19:36.913" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10928" PostId="4146" Score="0" Text="I think the op finished his internschip by now ^^" CreationDate="2016-12-20T09:09:28.737" UserId="49065" />
  <row Id="10986" PostId="4148" Score="0" Text="Whats the Question Joe, save your bounty rep, I'll answer it for free." CreationDate="2016-12-19T09:03:36.380" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10987" PostId="4148" Score="0" Text="I was just curious more than anything." CreationDate="2016-12-19T11:31:00.420" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10988" PostId="4148" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I thought so, I was just trying to break my downvote record :)" CreationDate="2016-12-19T19:52:21.183" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10921" PostId="4149" Score="0" Text="I believe that each time you offer a bounty on the same question you need to increase it, so he can't give away 100k in bounties on a single question. :-)" CreationDate="2016-12-18T20:05:02.800" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10922" PostId="4149" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Does that mean you can't offer further bounties after 500, or that they keep increasing above the cap (600, 700 800 etc.)?" CreationDate="2016-12-19T00:16:52.407" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10923" PostId="4149" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I thought the doubling of bounty is subject to the ceiling of 500, not sure where I read that." CreationDate="2016-12-19T00:30:45.710" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10924" PostId="4149" Score="0" Text="[A bounty has to be twice your last bounty on that question](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/281920/162102), minimum, and 500 is the maximum bounty amount.  So if you want to maximize your beneficence, I think the best you can do is 50-100-250-500." CreationDate="2016-12-19T00:33:05.400" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10931" PostId="4151" Score="4" Text="somewhat related: [Using NAA on jokes that make no attempt to answer the question](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/308459/839601)" CreationDate="2016-12-20T16:10:28.607" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10932" PostId="4151" Score="1" Text="Very relevant.  TY @gnat." CreationDate="2016-12-20T16:17:55.973" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10991" PostId="4152" Score="0" Text="&quot;I don't see SE as a humor site &quot; +1 for understatement of the year." CreationDate="2016-12-30T20:09:33.863" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10934" PostId="4153" Score="0" Text="this part is likely poor fit: &quot;are there job boards that specialize in this? Are there placement agencies that do this?&quot; List questions [don't look like welcome  over here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/204/168)" CreationDate="2016-12-20T19:33:28.647" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10935" PostId="4153" Score="0" Text="@gnat how would you recommend that I rephrase it? Should I just ask &quot;how do I find these kinds of opportunities?&quot; and leave it at that? I'm concerned that doing that would leave the question too broad and/or attract snarky answers like &quot;post your resume online&quot;, &quot;call a local recruiter&quot;, or &quot;give it up, just keep sending your resume into the black hole&quot; that don't really help." CreationDate="2016-12-20T19:44:48.287" UserId="56135" />
  <row Id="10936" PostId="4153" Score="0" Text="@gnat would asking &quot;How do I *find* job boards or placement agencies that specialize in this?&quot; be better? That way, I'm not asking for a list but asking to be taught how to make my own list." CreationDate="2016-12-20T19:47:39.490" UserId="56135" />
  <row Id="10937" PostId="4153" Score="2" Text="that way is definitely better. Can't tell if it's enough to make it good but certainly an improvement over original version" CreationDate="2016-12-20T20:10:43.400" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10938" PostId="4156" Score="0" Text="Could you clarify? In what way would any answer become obsolete quickly? How could this be mitigated in the way the question is asked?" CreationDate="2016-12-20T21:06:48.473" UserId="56135" />
  <row Id="10939" PostId="4156" Score="1" Text="Companies change their hiring methodology continuously. Often different managers in the same company evaluate candidates differently. The question is unanswerable except as &quot;Last time I spoke to someone there, they did or didn't; gods only know what they are doing a week later.&quot;  Seriously, the only jobs I know of that hire based only on a test are government and quasi-government jobs such as the US postal system. Most other employers want to know you can work with others, which is part of what they try to learn from the interview." CreationDate="2016-12-21T00:48:07.523" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="10940" PostId="4157" Score="1" Text="mind of the voting public that comes from HNQ is actually easy to guess - they upvote what _entertains_ them, [this is by design](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/220099/165773). That, coupled with the fact that most of them are [outsiders armed with association bonus](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/238420/165773) having no idea of this site quality norms, makes funny memes, pictures, one-liners and other garbage like that an attractive target for their upvotes. Thank you Stack Exchange for your great design of hot network list!" CreationDate="2016-12-21T09:32:23.150" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10941" PostId="4157" Score="1" Text="@gnat - good point. Hopefully The Workplace won't become overrun by memes now. Or cat pictures." CreationDate="2016-12-21T13:19:54.540" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="10972" PostId="4157" Score="0" Text="Don't they (we) have to reach a certain rep on another site before we can do an association?  Are their really other SÉ sites teaching newbies that memes are acceptable &quot;answers&quot;?  (I presume we are talking about the Facebook definition of &quot;meme&quot; rather than the original meaning.)" CreationDate="2016-12-28T05:49:13.077" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="11142" PostId="4157" Score="1" Text="@WGroleau this is 200 rep, not really much. There are tens thousands users at SO who have it because they know a bit about coding - but they have no idea of quality norms at this site. If you're interested in more detailed discussion of this issue refer [Prevent questions on Hot List from being upvoted by casual visitors (only rep is from association bonus)](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/238420/165773) and questions linked to it" CreationDate="2017-01-07T08:29:49.950" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="10946" PostId="4160" Score="0" Text="If you post a question that says, &quot;How can I _____&quot; and I post a question that says &quot;Is it ethical to ______&quot;  is that OK?" CreationDate="2016-12-21T21:13:33.580" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10952" PostId="4160" Score="1" Text="Whoever asked that ethics question will correlate and wonder if you asked this question specifically targeting that question. Hence, I would like to ask, &quot;Is it ethical to ask about the ethics of asking about ethics?&quot;" CreationDate="2016-12-22T06:27:23.753" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10956" PostId="4160" Score="2" Text="Very related: [Is there a place for “unethical” yet correct questions on The Workplace?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3658/is-there-a-place-for-unethical-yet-correct-questions-on-the-workplace)" CreationDate="2016-12-22T13:03:57.040" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10962" PostId="4160" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan Point well taken, but I have to wonder whether or not it is ethical to make such an observation." CreationDate="2016-12-22T17:17:02.647" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="10949" PostId="4162" Score="3" Text="A gem indeed..." CreationDate="2016-12-22T02:32:59.830" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="10951" PostId="4162" Score="0" Text="Well done HLGEM, I enjoy your contributions as well." CreationDate="2016-12-22T04:30:58.860" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10953" PostId="4162" Score="0" Text="@HLGEM Congrats, I have gained a lot from reading your posts. Thanks." CreationDate="2016-12-22T06:31:17.513" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10955" PostId="4162" Score="0" Text="@HLGEM Congratulations!  I always enjoy hearing your perspective." CreationDate="2016-12-22T11:34:33.707" UserId="32037" />
  <row Id="10959" PostId="4162" Score="6" Text="Whenever I see &quot;answered by HLGEM&quot; on the front page I know I'm in for something good.  Thanks for all your contributions to the site!" CreationDate="2016-12-22T13:57:01.557" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10960" PostId="4162" Score="1" Text="@keshlam funny, I've never read her username like that before, but now it seems obvious. I agree with everyone here that I greatly appreciate her contributions!" CreationDate="2016-12-22T14:29:51.817" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="10985" PostId="4163" Score="2" Text="Going right for the reducto ad absurdium here, but many if not most ethical questions are not opinion based.  &quot;Would it be ethical to push my colleague down the stairs&quot; is a silly example, but a valid one nonetheless.  It's not opinion based at all, it's a clear legal and ethical one.  Similarly, questions about accepting gifts, et cetera are ethical questions, but are clear and answerable given enough context." CreationDate="2016-12-30T14:12:28.487" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="10989" PostId="4163" Score="0" Text="Agreed, @richardu" CreationDate="2016-12-30T15:44:38.643" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="19796" PostId="4163" Score="0" Text="Would you care to edit your answer then? Whether ethical questions have objective or subjective answer is a hot topic in the field of meta-ethics. But at the same time many people studying this subject would strongly disagree that any questions about ethics are a &quot;quntessence of &quot;opinion-based&quot;&quot;" CreationDate="2019-07-17T11:43:33.903" UserId="47517" />
  <row Id="10963" PostId="4166" Score="1" Text="It's not a great for for any of the current SE sites. You might want to look at the proposed [Interpersonal Skills Site](http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/92736/interpersonal-skills)." CreationDate="2016-12-23T10:52:43.977" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="10964" PostId="4166" Score="0" Text="What do you mean when you say that &quot;asking for tips&quot; is actually not a question? How is asking for advice not a question? I also don't know what you mean when you mention asking someone to &quot;write a wiki content&quot;." CreationDate="2016-12-23T21:32:02.423" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="10973" PostId="4170" Score="0" Text="Take it as a learning experience, never post anything negative on the internet with your real name and photo. You never know when and how it will come back to bite you in the posterior. As an additional &quot;safety net&quot;, I don't use my real name and photo here, and I take care not to login from office devices. That saves me the headache of constant self-censoring." CreationDate="2016-12-28T08:59:47.463" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10974" PostId="4170" Score="0" Text="You're right, I immediately changed my name/profile picture. I'll just chalk this up to me being careless. Thank you for your help Monica!" CreationDate="2016-12-28T09:25:23.793" UserId="61692" />
  <row Id="10978" PostId="4170" Score="0" Text="Don't be ashamed to be you, we all got to be someone." CreationDate="2016-12-29T03:45:11.390" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="10967" PostId="4171" Score="1" Text="Moderators can't actually disassociate posts, so all we can do is forward that request to SE to handle.  That works, but you might as well skip the middleman in case the middleman is busy and doesn't notice the flag right away." CreationDate="2016-12-27T19:11:28.353" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10968" PostId="4171" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I tend to have a gross mistrust of &quot;contact us&quot; in general and see it as a a redirect to /dev/null which is why I suggested moderation. I figure you guys at least know where to send something." CreationDate="2016-12-27T20:03:17.297" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="10969" PostId="4172" Score="0" Text="But there must be a better way to do this, right? I'm fully aware I'm 100% at fault here, but I just hoped there would be a better way to do this. I understand it can never be self-serve, like you pointed out. But is there no way to 'temporarily disassociate' so no one can see until a moderator approves or rejects? Take my question for example, I wanted to hide it when it got ~200 views, it currently resides at ~2150. All I can do is hope no one from my company saw it..." CreationDate="2016-12-27T21:07:59.243" UserId="61692" />
  <row Id="10971" PostId="4172" Score="0" Text="I escalated your request.  Done now." CreationDate="2016-12-27T21:58:49.010" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10976" PostId="4173" Score="3" Text="Everyone who posts a picture thinks they are clever or funny." CreationDate="2016-12-28T22:12:41.363" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11308" PostId="4175" Score="0" Text="Do you not have the &quot;Flag &gt; Should be closed &gt; Off-topic &gt; Other&quot; path? That allows you to give a custom reason. There is also a &quot;blatantly off-topic&quot; option in the same menu. Or at least there used to be, I don't see it now but that could be a permissions issue." CreationDate="2017-01-30T07:23:42.730" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="10983" PostId="4177" Score="0" Text="I will question the use of ergonomics tag on the question. OP needs a mat that a chair can be rolled over, where is ergonomics involved? I want a floor mat over which I can place a coffee table and a sofa in the visitors lobby of my office, is that on topic too?" CreationDate="2016-12-29T18:16:57.917" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="10984" PostId="4177" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan I applied the ergonomics tag; as a migration the question needed to be tagged and I'll admit I don't know our tag set all that well, so I reached for one I knew.  I inferred ergonomics from the standing desk and the resulting need to do something to take the pressure off the feet.  Maybe the OP will clarify." CreationDate="2016-12-29T18:20:11.167" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11307" PostId="4177" Score="0" Text="-1 for the first sentence. Product recommendations *are* explicitly off-topic on nearly all SE sites including this one. Ergonomics questions enjoy a slight majority approval on the site but many users disagree with the meta consensus on it, so it makes sense that less qualitative questions are closed or downvoted. A simple change to &quot;What type of mat should I look for?&quot; to make it clear that OP isn't asking about specific product recommendations might be enough to get this reopened." CreationDate="2017-01-30T07:21:16.040" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11309" PostId="4177" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal did you see the edit I made to the question (on Dec 27)?  Since that was before the closure and this meta question, I assumed people were taking that version as the baseline here." CreationDate="2017-01-30T13:41:36.627" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11310" PostId="4177" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio That's the version I was looking at but it's still awfully close to asking to recommend specific products: &quot;are there any?&quot; &gt; &quot;this is one&quot;, &quot;try Product X&quot;, &quot;try brand Y&quot;. I'd expect to see something like &quot;What type of X should I look for?&quot; to make it clear that it's about a class or type of products rather than recommending the best product based on opinion." CreationDate="2017-01-30T13:57:37.923" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11311" PostId="4177" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal ah, I see.  I thought my wording did that, but it could stand to be more clear.  Thanks." CreationDate="2017-01-30T14:00:18.917" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10993" PostId="4178" Score="0" Text="Do you really think it's not clear what the OP of the linked question is asking? It's perfectly clear to me, but perhaps I'm reading between the lines. You say &quot;we don't do product research&quot; a where is this stated on the site, or is it just something that's come up before and there is an understanding that questions seeking product recommendations are off topic? Even if the product is definitely workplace related?" CreationDate="2016-12-30T23:05:33.180" UserId="62190" />
  <row Id="10997" PostId="4178" Score="0" Text="Because it's already clear to me, so I wasn't aware that it wasn't clear to others and therefore required an edit. I'll give it an edit tomorrow when I get a chance if this will be helpful." CreationDate="2016-12-31T01:06:03.667" UserId="62190" />
  <row Id="11001" PostId="4178" Score="0" Text="I'll be honest, it feels like you're being deliberately obtuse, but I'm new to The Workplace site, so perhaps this is just the vibe here - I'll go ahead and submit an edit suggestion when I can get to a computer today, hopefully it might be acceptable to the community and the OP can get an answer to their question which others in the future might find helpful." CreationDate="2016-12-31T09:39:33.353" UserId="62190" />
  <row Id="11004" PostId="4178" Score="0" Text="ok, sorry if I've offended you somehow, I was just trying to improve my understanding of the rules and conventions of a new SE site I'm interested in contributing to, while perhaps simultaneously helping a question poster get an answer." CreationDate="2016-12-31T18:07:43.013" UserId="62190" />
  <row Id="12151" PostId="4178" Score="0" Text="I gave up on contributing to The Workplace a long time ago, mainly because of members such as yourself, so there's really no point in continuing your petty bump campaign on this thread." CreationDate="2017-03-31T12:36:31.983" UserId="62190" />
  <row Id="11020" PostId="4179" Score="1" Text="Thanks for looking out for a newbie --- and, nice hat!" CreationDate="2017-01-01T08:28:30.390" UserId="56816" />
  <row Id="11006" PostId="4180" Score="0" Text="Odd. What is the point of the &quot;throttle&quot;?" CreationDate="2016-12-31T21:13:43.487" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11014" PostId="4180" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere see [Aren't new users throttled asking questions anymore?](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/322265/839601) &quot;[Rolling rate-limits](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/243460/165773) kick in faster. Like, _immediately_. If your first question is downvoted and you try to ask another one 40 minutes later, you'll be forced to wait at least a day. That's potentially very harsh... But probably also better than penalizing _everyone_ for the behavior of a few. We'd always intended rolling rate-limits to supplant the new-user rate-limits, and this will hopefully allow them to do so...&quot;" CreationDate="2016-12-31T22:45:46.233" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11019" PostId="4180" Score="4" Text="@JoeStrazzere I believe the point is to prevent new users who don't yet understand how SE works from flooding a site with poor questions.  While a throttle is frustrating, having the ten questions you ask in an afternoon downvoted and closed is probably *more* frustrating for the asker, and is frustrating for the community.  (I hope they get a link to relevant help topics in the &quot;you can't ask right now&quot; message.  I don't know exactly what that text is.)" CreationDate="2017-01-01T02:36:48.070" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11042" PostId="4180" Score="1" Text="Maybe good to note that the throttle-system is SE-wide. I've had it where I asked a couple of questions on one site only to not be able to on all others for a while." CreationDate="2017-01-04T09:33:14.877" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="11109" PostId="4180" Score="0" Text="While I agree that some form of throttling is a good idea it's potentially frustrating when you're new and don't quite have the hang of things to be prevented from trying again after learning and trying to improve. It's like getting on a skateboard for the first time, losing your balance and then having to wait a day to try again in the hopes that you watch some video's on how to ride it properly.I suggest that if the throttling takes place the next question requires review from the community before it can be shown on the site and feedback can be given if it's really that bad." CreationDate="2017-01-05T18:40:16.133" UserId="32285" />
  <row Id="11110" PostId="4180" Score="2" Text="@TheMuffinMan I believe the system nudges them toward editing their existing posts to fix the problems.  If you want to see changes in the temporary blocks, you should bring it up in a new post where people will see and can vote." CreationDate="2017-01-05T18:43:37.720" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="10992" PostId="4181" Score="0" Text="Appreciate your view on using the custom VTC reason if wanting to close the question - would you care to venture an answer to whether the question should be closed or not, and why? My question is only partly about which VTC reason should be used if the question should be closed, the other part is about how not can be determined whether the question should be closed at all." CreationDate="2016-12-30T23:02:34.280" UserId="62190" />
  <row Id="10994" PostId="4181" Score="0" Text="I do tend to think product recommendations are a bad fit for stack exchange, simply because they can not typically be definitely answered and usually attract various opinions instead of consensus." CreationDate="2016-12-30T23:24:48.477" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="10995" PostId="4181" Score="0" Text="I would tend to agree, but it seems in this case the asker is wanting to find out if there even is a class of products which fit his requirements, rather than necessarily a specific individual product recommendation." CreationDate="2016-12-30T23:27:10.000" UserId="62190" />
  <row Id="10998" PostId="4181" Score="1" Text="@3N1GM4 Uh, yes, there is a class of products. It is called floor mats. OP is already using one, he just needs to buy a bigger one or ask his employer to cover the entire floor with mats. Which is why I asked if other workers see the need for floor mats. Still not clear what the OP is asking for, when he already knows the &quot;class of products&quot; that solve his problem. He could as well just stand on the floor, not clear why he cannot do that either." CreationDate="2016-12-31T01:12:44.737" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11015" PostId="4182" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Is it OK to name and shame?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/4109/is-it-ok-to-name-and-shame)" CreationDate="2016-12-31T23:21:46.160" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11017" PostId="4182" Score="1" Text="@DoritoStyle Where is the shame?" CreationDate="2016-12-31T23:25:59.220" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11025" PostId="4182" Score="0" Text="The relevant bit is the name, not the shame." CreationDate="2017-01-01T13:46:08.940" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11028" PostId="4182" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle I irrelevant part is I specifically state are not bashing the company." CreationDate="2017-01-01T14:30:32.067" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11029" PostId="4182" Score="1" Text="That's irrelevant. The attention doesn't need to be negative to attract legal issues or to be off-topic to this site. At the end of the day, The Workplace is simply not a employer review site and such specific details have been deemed off-topic by the community over a relatively large period of time." CreationDate="2017-01-01T14:34:43.567" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11038" PostId="4183" Score="1" Text="One thing to keep in mind is that Stack Exchange is in English - a lot of non-native English speakers are good enough at writing English that it is not obvious they are from other countries. But this might lead to the assumption that askers are American even if they are not." CreationDate="2017-01-03T18:39:42.317" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11007" PostId="4184" Score="0" Text="Well explained ;-)" CreationDate="2016-12-31T21:32:40.300" UserId="59933" />
  <row Id="11008" PostId="4184" Score="0" Text="It was a simple question. I felt that it deserved a simple answer. I'm not sure why you would care how the site is &quot;inclined&quot; though, since many non-US questions are asked and answered. But you didn't elaborate as to why you would ask this sort of question. That might generate more useful answers..." CreationDate="2016-12-31T21:40:21.547" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11011" PostId="4184" Score="0" Text="I'm not saying anything against that., I like being sarcastic .BTW  Happy New Year" CreationDate="2016-12-31T22:04:28.560" UserId="59933" />
  <row Id="11012" PostId="4184" Score="0" Text="Whatever. It's more inclined to office workers, too." CreationDate="2016-12-31T22:05:28.337" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11013" PostId="4184" Score="0" Text="That's what it's meant to be" CreationDate="2016-12-31T22:19:52.577" UserId="59933" />
  <row Id="11018" PostId="4184" Score="0" Text="@IshanMahajan ??? Meant to be inclined to office workers? No more so than meant to be inclined toward the US. Or meant to be include to tech folks. It is what it is, but there's nothing that says it is meant to be that way." CreationDate="2017-01-01T00:07:37.743" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11527" PostId="4184" Score="0" Text="Yep, no need for elaboration" CreationDate="2017-02-12T09:04:50.703" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11009" PostId="4185" Score="0" Text="I see a lot of value if someone had been to an Amazon interview.  Given the size of the company I suspect this site has a lot of people that have been on an Amazon interview." CreationDate="2016-12-31T22:01:11.583" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11010" PostId="4185" Score="3" Text="@Paparazzi - the questions isn't (and really cannot) be Amazon-specific. If it were about Best Buy or Target or any other company with a huge on-line presence, the advice would be exactly the same." CreationDate="2016-12-31T22:04:14.087" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11116" PostId="4185" Score="0" Text="You say you don't care much either way, but in your answer [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/4111/62190) you say that you're not ok with it at all and that you flag posts you see which contain company names. Is this a little contradictory, or am I missing something? Is the difference that you're ok with companies being named if there are only positive comments about them, but object if people are posting negative things about specific companies?" CreationDate="2017-01-05T21:45:05.810" UserId="62190" />
  <row Id="11148" PostId="4185" Score="1" Text="@3N1GM4 - (shrug) I'm an enigma, wrapped in a puzzle, wrapped in a workplace. But it's the &quot;shaming&quot; part that I'm not okay with at all. That should be banned, IMHO. Other than that I don't care." CreationDate="2017-01-08T21:37:02.873" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11149" PostId="4185" Score="0" Text="Haha, fair enough. :)" CreationDate="2017-01-08T21:38:39.520" UserId="62190" />
  <row Id="11041" PostId="4187" Score="0" Text="*those probably qualify as Not An Answer* Thank you I have wondered how to handle those with flags." CreationDate="2017-01-03T22:21:35.017" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11021" PostId="4188" Score="0" Text="&quot;Yes, and no. :-)&quot; - I see plenty of *yes* in your answer, but I don't really see any *no*." CreationDate="2017-01-01T12:29:18.273" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11022" PostId="4188" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Yeah, I guess it does sound like that. My point here is that, as it currently stands, the workplace *is* US-centric, but that is not by design, it is just how the site has grown up. There is nothing in the site rules that makes it so. For example, if more users from other countries (say India or China) outnumber Americans in future, then it would incline away from the US. That's the &quot;no&quot; which is *sort of* there. Also, quite contrary to the OP's perception, the country tag most frequently used *is* US, that's also a *sort of* &quot;no&quot; (although it is more of a &quot;yes&quot; in some sense)." CreationDate="2017-01-01T12:43:26.643" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11023" PostId="4188" Score="0" Text="I agree - it is US-centric, but not by design. It's also office-worker-centric. And tech-centric. As my favorite (US) football coach often says: &quot;It is what it is.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-01-01T13:02:56.377" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11039" PostId="4188" Score="0" Text="In theory no, but as a friend of mine used to like to say &quot;In theory, theory and practice are the same, in practice, they are not." CreationDate="2017-01-03T21:29:32.067" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11100" PostId="4188" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere You mean [handegg](http://terranova.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341c022953ef017ee88869ef970d-800wi) not football, right?" CreationDate="2017-01-05T15:10:30.903" UserId="58082" />
  <row Id="11102" PostId="4188" Score="0" Text="@JohnHC - LOL! Well I don't mean flop-ball, that's for sure!" CreationDate="2017-01-05T15:41:50.433" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11026" PostId="4189" Score="3" Text="If it's really a duplicate, then the original should be equally useful to later users." CreationDate="2017-01-01T14:17:14.330" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11027" PostId="4189" Score="5" Text="By the way, I suggest you avoid using &quot;Is it right&quot; and &quot;is it fair&quot; so often. It comes across as preaching. It almost sounds like rather than trying to understand how this site works, you are expecting us to defend it to conform to your high standards." CreationDate="2017-01-01T14:29:07.627" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11031" PostId="4189" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I'll take care of it.But I say that because I'm yet not that experienced as user so somethings might have been misinterpreted by me." CreationDate="2017-01-01T14:49:52.140" UserId="59933" />
  <row Id="11032" PostId="4189" Score="1" Text="+1 what Joe said." CreationDate="2017-01-01T14:50:36.823" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11035" PostId="4189" Score="0" Text="&quot;*This must be because the earlier answers were not satisfying or the situation was different.*&quot;. No, it's because it hit HNQ and none of the regulars realised that it's pretty much an exact duplicate of a previous question. Dupe votes after the question hits HNQ are annoying and don't always succeed but just because the question got exposure doesn't mean that it's not a dupe. As for your final question: look into the reason we have duplicate votes. Question fragmentation is entirely counter to SE's philosophy and hence do *not* contribute to the site." CreationDate="2017-01-02T19:05:08.327" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11040" PostId="4189" Score="1" Text="your problem current is that you are asking if it is fair.  Change your question to ask how to ask for an increase in pay to offset cost of living increases due to relocation." CreationDate="2017-01-03T22:10:20.007" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11036" PostId="4193" Score="1" Text="SE is not liable for advice or opinions express on the site" CreationDate="2017-01-03T15:59:02.190" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11037" PostId="4193" Score="2" Text="@Paparazzi until it is.  There are many ways to legally harass a company without actually going to court.  A company would start with a letter and/or an email demanding that any reference be taken down, and that any future mentions of them would be met with legal action, and could cause SE all sorts of mischief.  Better to avoid unwanted attention." CreationDate="2017-01-03T16:04:27.313" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11093" PostId="4195" Score="0" Text="Just FYI, I deleted my answer because after your edit, my answer is only tangentially applicable and either way, Monica's is _far_ better." CreationDate="2017-01-05T03:00:24.910" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11096" PostId="4195" Score="0" Text="I have also deleted my answer, your edit made it irrelevant, and Monica's is far better." CreationDate="2017-01-05T13:20:04.573" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11111" PostId="4195" Score="0" Text="@Prodnegel MUCH better question after the edit, good work!" CreationDate="2017-01-05T19:45:17.793" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11113" PostId="4195" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Thanks friend, I apologize again to you and others who I offended with my first rant. I need to learn to be more patient with these things" CreationDate="2017-01-05T20:08:08.410" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="11114" PostId="4195" Score="2" Text="@Prodnegel No worries. I know I can come across as harsh at times.  Monica's advice below is SPOT ON.  SE is fairly unique in it's moderation in that they do things very quietly, so it can appear that you're being ignored, but they do look at everything, and are open to input and feedback." CreationDate="2017-01-05T20:14:00.517" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11150" PostId="4195" Score="0" Text="We generally don't delete things on meta unless they're clearly problematic, but I just deleted a bunch of comments here because they were mostly obsolete after the edit and because they showed some frustration that I think has now been cleared up.  If any participant wants me to preserve them anyway, let me know and I'll send 'em to a chat room.  I think we all want to move on, which is why I didn't do that to start." CreationDate="2017-01-08T22:47:22.330" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11151" PostId="4195" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [What is rude on The Workplace?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/355/what-is-rude-on-the-workplace)" CreationDate="2017-01-09T04:46:29.233" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11152" PostId="4195" Score="0" Text="&quot;*I guess there is no system in place for flag-feedback*&quot; How's that? There *is* feedback for both parties. Get enough flags and the mods will talk to you about your behaviour or put you in the time-out corner. And declined flags are also visible, if annoyingly well-hidden. Even then you'll be warned of recent declined flags the next time you flag." CreationDate="2017-01-09T08:30:23.180" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11052" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="There _is_ a... high percentage of similarity between those two questions." CreationDate="2017-01-04T19:18:58.273" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11053" PostId="4198" Score="11" Text="The &quot;Be Nice&quot; question has been asked before: &quot;[Is calling someone a “troll” against the Be Nice policy](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/4021/is-calling-someone-a-troll-against-the-be-nice-policy)&quot;" CreationDate="2017-01-04T19:23:27.990" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11055" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="I deleted my comment.  That said, we've seen this before with that &quot;poonjay&quot; character who's broken English was a bad imitation of someone with poor English." CreationDate="2017-01-04T19:36:13.473" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11061" PostId="4198" Score="3" Text="He sees that message because somebody voted to close as a duplicate.  When there are pending dupe votes the OP (only) sees the link and is asked if he concurs (did that solve your problem?)." CreationDate="2017-01-04T19:52:26.583" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11072" PostId="4198" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I know we want to strike a balance of assuming good intentions and keeping out disruptions.  I'm uncertain as to how much slack to cut someone." CreationDate="2017-01-04T20:21:52.923" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11085" PostId="4198" Score="2" Text="wouldn't be the first time stuff like that happens, see [prior similar discussion](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/4012/168) about &quot;coincidental&quot; pair of questions" CreationDate="2017-01-04T21:13:21.497" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11087" PostId="4198" Score="3" Text="Both questions should be deleted, IMHO." CreationDate="2017-01-04T21:51:13.660" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11088" PostId="4198" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere you can cast delete votes on both, I believe." CreationDate="2017-01-04T22:15:25.777" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11097" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="I have voted to delete both." CreationDate="2017-01-05T13:22:37.317" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11112" PostId="4198" Score="0" Text="The second OP could be the same person as the first.  They could also easily be anyone from random non-SE person to a workplace power user deciding to riff on this question." CreationDate="2017-01-05T19:47:56.093" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="11119" PostId="4198" Score="0" Text="MaskedMan: if you actually want to discuss the follow-up questions irrespective of the specifics of this particular situation it would be better to create a new question for them. Though the question linked by David covers most of it I believe." CreationDate="2017-01-06T11:38:53.847" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11120" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Final delete votes cast. Questions are gone." CreationDate="2017-01-06T11:39:41.497" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11121" PostId="4198" Score="0" Text="Questions / Threads such as these can be observed on other sites and areas of the internet. I remember a fairly funny running joke about a guy reading out his viewers' comments, the first being someone complaining about them being hit by a car whilst riding a bike, the second comment being 'from the driver' about hitting some annoying cyclist, the third 'from the passenger' and so forth. Point is, it's not a rare occurrence and I think these questions need closing to keep SE a productive and genuine site. Even if it does mean that sometimes a genuine question is closed due to trolls." CreationDate="2017-01-06T12:27:46.937" UserId="60929" />
  <row Id="11127" PostId="4198" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal That is one of the problems with this meta that puts me off. When someone posts a question about a general problem, they are asked for examples illustrating it, but when the question includes examples to begin with, people discuss only that example rather than look at the general problem. Notice that my list of questions (except the last one) are fairly general in nature, but (nearly) none of the answers or comments address those, and are fixated entirely on the specific example." CreationDate="2017-01-06T13:13:52.900" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11095" PostId="4199" Score="3" Text="does the moderators have the tools to see if two accounts are linked by something like the IP ? Or only SE staff ?" CreationDate="2017-01-05T12:01:51.463" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="11101" PostId="4199" Score="1" Text="I *really* hope it's only SE staff, as they have legally binding contracts which will result in a ton of bricks being dropped on their head if they reveal the kind of personal information they could glean from IP addresses." CreationDate="2017-01-05T15:20:24.580" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="11105" PostId="4199" Score="0" Text="@PhilipKendall IP addresses don't reveal nearly as much as they used to, now that fixed IPs are pretty much a thing of the past.  Not to say that you still can't wreak buckets full of mischief with one, because you can." CreationDate="2017-01-05T16:27:32.700" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11108" PostId="4199" Score="6" Text="@PhilipKendall moderators are bound by the [moderator agreement](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/legal/moderator-agreement).  We are not allowed to share any PII we might come into contact with, and if we did a &quot;ton of brick&quot; would be dropped on our heads too." CreationDate="2017-01-05T16:50:08.950" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11118" PostId="4199" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat To actually answer the question, [yes they can.](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/149636/who-can-see-what-in-my-profile/149637#149637)." CreationDate="2017-01-06T11:36:59.483" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11122" PostId="4199" Score="3" Text="@Walfrat unfortunately a lot of these questions can be from someone picking a completely valid and genuine question, and then creating a joke question / thread based on an alternative view point they can find in the original. Because of this there may be no link and one of the two may be completely innocent, trying to get an answer to a serious question they've asked." CreationDate="2017-01-06T12:31:17.490" UserId="60929" />
  <row Id="11123" PostId="4199" Score="1" Text="@lewis as said the others, it is not only the same story but also the same way of writing that seems too familiar." CreationDate="2017-01-06T12:32:44.513" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="11104" PostId="4200" Score="0" Text="You are once again assuming that both accounts are handled by the same person. The only basis for this claim is you &quot;clearly&quot; know it because it is &quot;too much of a coincidence&quot;, which again comes back to &quot;coincidence = troll&quot;. Don't you think there is a miniscule possibility that your &quot;feeling&quot; is wrong, and OP2 genuinely posted a separate question?" CreationDate="2017-01-05T16:20:40.420" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11106" PostId="4200" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan It could be two people yanking our collective chain, but I'd bet a month's salary that the person or persons involved were not acting in good faith." CreationDate="2017-01-05T16:29:03.477" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11117" PostId="4200" Score="2" Text="@MaskedMan It's kind of worrying either way, we could never prove it was the same person, two people working together or two legitimate questions. However, as David K said, the number of coincidences counting together seems a bit too much. This is why I'm erring on the side of not believing. However if there was some proof handed out (But we could never asked that nor prove the proof is also real) I would be swayed. Alas, for now, my time on the internet has made me skeptical. It also seemed funny the user wasn't phased about being show the question of the person having ill intent" CreationDate="2017-01-06T08:55:00.740" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11089" PostId="4201" Score="1" Text="Brilliant. Not just because you partially agreed with my observation of rudeness, but because you looked at it with an unbiased opinion, while being a moderator yourself. Your advice on checking your answer before you submit &quot;Especially if you think that guy is an idiot.&quot; is precisely where I feel the problem lies. I really do feel that the rudeness stems from a difference of opinions, cultures, and experiences. Because there are so many differences between us, the &quot;this idiot again&quot; mindset sinks in. After answering many legitimate questions, users may feel frustrated that they have to deal.." CreationDate="2017-01-04T22:25:41.157" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="11090" PostId="4201" Score="2" Text="...with another user that they feel is &quot;an idiot&quot;. Many times this annoyance comes away in the tone of the overall answer. If you are answering a question to a person you really do feel is an idiot, there is a far greater chance that you accidentally slip in a rude remark. Thank you Monica for understanding, I really do not mean to rant. Truly love this site and its questions, would love to see it prosper." CreationDate="2017-01-04T22:28:44.450" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="11091" PostId="4201" Score="0" Text="Also, is there any way to see what we can do on the response to flagged comments?" CreationDate="2017-01-04T22:29:39.793" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="11092" PostId="4201" Score="0" Text="Thanks. On responses to flagged comments, best bet is probably a feature request explaining the problem and making a proposal.  You can make feature requests on per-site metas or on [Meta.SE]; they'll get more attention (in both directions :-) ) on main meta, and take longer to get SE attention on per-site metas." CreationDate="2017-01-04T22:38:53.587" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11103" PostId="4202" Score="9" Text="You are making too much of the words being used. &quot;Switching companies&quot; is the same thing as &quot;finding a new job&quot;." CreationDate="2017-01-05T16:15:54.007" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11107" PostId="4202" Score="3" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is clearly not a serious question." CreationDate="2017-01-05T16:45:15.957" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11124" PostId="4202" Score="0" Text="As said RichardU, in IT, &quot;switching company&quot; is common sense, because it is often the only way to get proper raise and keep your salary up to what your skill worth on the market. Even our professors says that the 10 first year, IT people usually switch 3 to 5 times." CreationDate="2017-01-06T12:58:01.650" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="11135" PostId="4202" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat that's also why IT resumes tend to be much longer than standard resumes.  You tend to have a longer list of employers." CreationDate="2017-01-06T15:44:27.810" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11129" PostId="4205" Score="1" Text="I don't want to get rid of HNQ, just would like to know if we should do something about these answers. I'm more used to StackOverflow where it's easy to say something is a duplicate or not, but here, it's more opinion based so can be a bit &quot;greyer&quot;" CreationDate="2017-01-06T13:25:33.117" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11136" PostId="4205" Score="2" Text="is it really a problem." CreationDate="2017-01-06T15:45:22.967" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11137" PostId="4205" Score="0" Text="@RichardU That's why I'm asking, is it a problem? Other stack exchange sites where it's easy to say something is a duplicate e.g. code on stack exchange, they're happy to remove it. Here, it may not be the case so I was asking for guidance in the matter. Do we mind having the same advice several times but worded in a different way?" CreationDate="2017-01-06T15:57:18.573" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11138" PostId="4205" Score="1" Text="@Draken I'm tempted to say it's not.  Slightly different wording can make a big difference with some people.  I also don't see any real harm in this." CreationDate="2017-01-06T16:31:09.123" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11140" PostId="4205" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan a while ago SE folks made an exception for Workplace [allowing 15K users protect questions immediately](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/3060?m=13304581#13304581). At other sites in the network folks indeed need to wait 24 hours and only mods can protect immediately (FWIW at Physics.SE mods tend to preemptively protect questions bumped or about to be bumped into HNQ)" CreationDate="2017-01-06T18:20:09.397" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11143" PostId="4205" Score="1" Text="@gnat That's nice to know. It is still a bit of a workaround rather than a clean solution, but I guess beggars cannot be choosers. ;) Nonetheless, I updated my answer now taking that into account (and for a bunch of other things)." CreationDate="2017-01-07T16:05:06.537" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11153" PostId="4205" Score="1" Text="related at SE.SE meta: [Answers quality in hot questions](http://meta.softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/q/5413/31260)" CreationDate="2017-01-09T12:20:47.247" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11154" PostId="4205" Score="1" Text="Your answer on that one @gnat is superb and relates to MaskedMan concerns as well." CreationDate="2017-01-09T12:44:21.613" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11125" PostId="4207" Score="0" Text="It would have my support, which flag do you use at the moment for the deletion so I can help get the ball rolling (Or is that a 3K only flag)?" CreationDate="2017-01-06T13:01:43.333" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11126" PostId="4207" Score="0" Text="@Draken I use &quot;not an answer&quot;. The only options are that, &quot;spam&quot;, &quot;rude or abusive&quot;, and &quot;in need of moderator attention&quot;. &quot;spam&quot; and &quot;rude&quot; should definitely not be used, as they get logged and affect other metrics." CreationDate="2017-01-06T13:10:52.950" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11130" PostId="4207" Score="0" Text="Not an answer always feels a bit wrong to me, as it is an answer and often very legitimate in it's own right. It is however a duplicate, so taken as part of a whole it should possibly be removed." CreationDate="2017-01-06T13:26:35.457" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11131" PostId="4207" Score="0" Text="@Draken I agree that 'not an answer' is inaccurate, which is why I think a new delete reason should be considered" CreationDate="2017-01-06T13:33:13.390" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11141" PostId="4207" Score="3" Text="David, flagging troublesome answers of that kind has been discussed in the past [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2404/168) and [here](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2561/168) and my understanding is for repetitive answers moderators recommend custom flagging with detailed message helping them easier see the problem" CreationDate="2017-01-06T21:00:11.357" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15686" PostId="4207" Score="0" Text="Sometimes this happens with established users and/or with newer questions.  https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/114678/can-i-take-a-copy-of-documents-that-ive-written-with-me-upon-resignation" CreationDate="2018-06-25T14:56:58.957" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="11144" PostId="4208" Score="2" Text="I tend to agree... Hot Network Questions has a bad definition of &quot;hot&quot;, and while it's sometines an interesting snapshot of why you might want to look at areas you don't normally follow it seems to have unintended and undesirable consequences. I'd almost be inclined to ask that those links set a flag which automatically disables voting and flags answers for review." CreationDate="2017-01-07T19:03:20.583" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11155" PostId="4208" Score="1" Text="I think Gnat's answer here might also help &quot;solve&quot; our issue [Answers quality in hot questions](http://meta.softwareengineering.stackexchange.com/a/5543/226848)" CreationDate="2017-01-09T12:44:55.703" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11157" PostId="4208" Score="0" Text="One of the most important things for HNQ is to not let questions get there that are really poll-like. Once a question has a lot of answers that are pretty bikeshedy it's almost impossible to prevent a mess. Either edits or closing. Given that you have to click through and acknowledge that your answer is adding something new to post an additional answer (I think every question with more than 2 answers here), I have a lot less sympathy for answers adding minimal new content, too." CreationDate="2017-01-09T15:08:44.453" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11158" PostId="4208" Score="1" Text="@enderland While that may certainly be true for well established users, the temptation to post what the user thinks is a useful answer is often too great for a &quot;nuisance&quot; dialog box to offer any resistance. With 3 answers that are 10 sentences each, not reading them may be inexcusable, but with 10 answers that are 25 sentences each, a case could be made for more leniency. Consider this analogy: &quot;Post one English word not found in this answer.&quot; as against &quot;Post one English word not found in any of Harry Potter novels.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-01-09T15:58:32.730" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11159" PostId="4208" Score="1" Text="In addition, the reward to risk ratio is too high for that dialog box to be meaningful. To lose reputation, you have to get 6 downvotes for every upvote, and due to association bonus and HNQ, you already know the audience is heavily skewed towards upvotes or no vote. Moreover, if you do lose reputation, you can always delete your answer and get it back. There is so little to lose, closing an annoying dialog box is a no-brainer." CreationDate="2017-01-09T16:04:22.563" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11164" PostId="4208" Score="1" Text="almost 3 years ago I suggested a feature to help manage questions with multiple answers: [When there are many answers already, help me check that mine won't repeat others](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/q/2562/168). It hangs in there ignored (not surprisingly)" CreationDate="2017-01-09T19:38:03.343" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11180" PostId="4208" Score="2" Text="If i were a conspiricay theorist(and I am), I might think that the powers that make the decisions have decided that this &quot;Bug&quot; is a feature that adds value to their bottom line...  But thats just crazy talk from someone who knows that a tinfoil hat is not nearly good enough protection." CreationDate="2017-01-13T20:39:08.647" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11178" PostId="4209" Score="0" Text="Sourced material may also be disputed, if folks don't agree with your sources..." CreationDate="2017-01-13T03:41:24.650" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11145" PostId="4210" Score="1" Text="Uhm I am not sure I understand what timestamps have to do with lack of due diligence. I think you did the right thing by posting the notice. The site rules apply regardless of how old the posts are. (Correct me if wrong.) Nonetheless, in this case, I think the problem is with the rule itself. If the Wikipedia army started flagging everything for citations, The Workplace will come to a grinding halt [citation needed]." CreationDate="2017-01-08T17:01:37.193" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11146" PostId="4210" Score="1" Text="The other problem with the rule is exactly what the OP sees. &quot;How come my answer got pasted with the notice, but other answers seem to be okay?&quot; The problem here is it is not clear what moderators should do with the flags. If one answer is flagged, should they just process the flag for that answer, or also apply the flag to other answers for &quot;fairness&quot;? If they did the latter, that sounds like an overreach (aka mod-hammering), as those answers were not flagged." CreationDate="2017-01-08T17:05:45.267" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11147" PostId="4210" Score="1" Text="As the citation-note is gone now, I'm happy. I think the location was added *after* many of the answers, that's why none of them are that specific." CreationDate="2017-01-08T21:11:10.137" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="11165" PostId="4210" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt only 1 of the remaining answers (several were deleted) were posted prior to the OP stating in the Q that he was in AUS." CreationDate="2017-01-09T20:06:34.693" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11179" PostId="4210" Score="0" Text="This is one of those questions that should have been put on hold until we had enough info to answer" CreationDate="2017-01-13T20:22:56.633" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13473" PostId="4212" Score="0" Text="Similar post on Meta SE - [Is humor allowed in answers?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/16496/is-humor-allowed-in-answers)" CreationDate="2017-09-01T14:48:13.667" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="11166" PostId="4213" Score="4" Text="Good humor is hard. It's a talent most don't have." CreationDate="2017-01-10T00:24:55.353" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11167" PostId="4213" Score="6" Text="@JoeStrazzere But it's pretty good ice cream though." CreationDate="2017-01-10T00:26:22.543" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11168" PostId="4213" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I've actually done standup comedy.  Not saying that I've got talent, just that I did it.  Plus, I was able to make a very nice tomato sauce after one performance." CreationDate="2017-01-10T14:46:58.297" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11196" PostId="4214" Score="5" Text="Humour is often also harder to spot in written language over spoken language where tone can also be used. In this answer, for example, even as a native speaker, I can't decide if the misuse of &quot;pluperfectly&quot; and &quot;rememberung&quot; is intentional or accidental!" CreationDate="2017-01-15T11:31:08.463" UserId="38550" />
  <row Id="11200" PostId="4214" Score="0" Text="@jameswebster: Former intentionally jocular, latter a typo, but good illustration. I do sometimes toss out a malapropism or other garbling deliberately, though I try to make it obvious when I'm doing so and keep it from interfering with readability. (Open file, insert foot?) And then there are all the touchscreen typos...." CreationDate="2017-01-15T15:22:23.020" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11172" PostId="4217" Score="0" Text="So would a good answer that applies to many types of drills but specifically NOT a 1/4 inch drill be acceptable?" CreationDate="2017-01-11T15:59:15.543" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11173" PostId="4217" Score="2" Text="@DavidK to extend the analogy, the size of the drill bit would be irrelevant if the answer was focused on techniques, how much heat is a factor, how frequently the bit should be oiled, and various other conditions.  I could see the answer being invalid if, and only if what being ignored (the 1/4 inch bit) is critical to the question asked.  The caveat to that, is say, someone says substitute a 6mm bit and the OP comes back with the fact that they don't have access to metric bits." CreationDate="2017-01-11T16:12:10.323" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11174" PostId="4217" Score="0" Text="Exactly.  Downvotes are approriate and if you feel like a delete vote and have the rep for it thats good too." CreationDate="2017-01-11T17:44:51.403" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11177" PostId="4217" Score="0" Text="@DavidK, this answer itself is an example of giving a general answer *and* answering the specific instance (question) asked about.  :)" CreationDate="2017-01-12T10:24:08.823" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="11175" PostId="4218" Score="0" Text="Thanks for clarifying. It wasn't clear to me how much of the OP's situation was clear before the answer and comments were posted, but I thought this made for a good question in the general case anyway. Also, yes, I agree that you linked example is what we should be avoiding." CreationDate="2017-01-11T19:19:04.133" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11176" PostId="4218" Score="1" Text="@DavidK Just to be clear, I did not take your question as a personal attack or anything like that. It was good to bring up this question. I have myself wanted to post this question here after that Adobe Muse thing, but since I had posted my own answer there, I decided to wait until next time. Moreover, that answer was posted by a relatively new user, while I have 11k reputation, so I didn't want to give an impression that we &quot;bully&quot; newbies here. :)" CreationDate="2017-01-12T03:34:47.953" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11187" PostId="4222" Score="0" Text="There are way too many possible scenarios to consider . For example, you say &quot;what happens when CEO gets replaced?&quot; What normally happens is the employees report to the new CEO, and business resumes. But clearly, that is not your question. We cannot tell what other scenarios would occur and how employees would deal with that, so you could narrow it down to a specific scenario. Your question #2 also complicates matters. As pointed in the comments, we prefer one question per post here." CreationDate="2017-01-14T17:14:57.133" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11188" PostId="4222" Score="0" Text="Leaving that aside, #2 by itself has too many possibilities. An employee is expected to keep his boss in the loop on everything that he works on, but on the one extreme this becomes micromanagement, and on the other, the manager is completely clueless what his team is doing. Most teams manage to pick a point somewhere between the extremes, so in your case, the employee, the CEO and the director or whoever will decide how frequently the CEO should be updated. There are way too many possibilities, which you should narrow down." CreationDate="2017-01-14T17:19:06.073" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11189" PostId="4222" Score="0" Text="I was asking about before the CEO is replaced, when the board might be planning a replacement/succession: does any board member talk with other CxOs? Without the CEO's knowing? Is it professional or unprofessional for a CxO to talk with (to be able to talk with) a board member without th CEO knowing about it?" CreationDate="2017-01-14T17:19:29.077" UserId="62881" />
  <row Id="11190" PostId="4222" Score="0" Text="Well then that is not clear from your question. You should edit the question to include that. Even so, I think it is still too broad. Will board members talk to CxOs? Some will, some won't. I don't get your other question at all, anyone can talk to anyone, whether it is professional or not depends on what they are talking about and the context. Anyway, you should make those points clear in the main question." CreationDate="2017-01-14T17:27:59.127" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11204" PostId="4224" Score="0" Text="Depends on the context. Sometimes external links will die, so having a copy of the relevant information will be valuable on this site. The question is, has the user only taken the relevant information or are they just copy and pasting wily nily? If it's the latter, then it needs a good editing or possible removal if it's really not relevant." CreationDate="2017-01-16T08:02:33.097" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11205" PostId="4224" Score="0" Text="The user has copy-pasted several paragraphs from an external website with no additional contribution of their own." CreationDate="2017-01-16T08:41:27.210" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11206" PostId="4224" Score="2" Text="And? If it's relevant and attributed, then it's fine by my eyes. Possibly not worthy of an upvote, but they've done everything correct. If anything, it shows the original question asker might want to have done a little more research before asking the question if it can be answered by a good Google search. The internet is full of people copy and pasting, at least this one said where they copied it from. In this modern day age, who can come up with an original idea?" CreationDate="2017-01-16T09:04:25.593" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11207" PostId="4224" Score="1" Text="Fair point, I will wait for a while more to see if other agree. I don't feel strongly either way." CreationDate="2017-01-16T13:21:03.850" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11208" PostId="4224" Score="0" Text="We have a stance?" CreationDate="2017-01-16T17:08:46.437" UserId="48543" />
  <row Id="11209" PostId="4224" Score="1" Text="@WorkerDrone That's what I wanted to know, hence the question." CreationDate="2017-01-17T05:15:31.790" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11201" PostId="4225" Score="3" Text="have you considered flagging to close? Question closed with right [meta-tag:close-reasons] provide instructions for askers how they can improve" CreationDate="2017-01-15T19:54:17.307" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11202" PostId="4225" Score="5" Text="Writing &quot;reflect on your own behavior&quot; would be a comment, not an answer. Comment if you choose, then vote to close or just ignore it. You are probably better off avoiding sarcasm." CreationDate="2017-01-15T20:45:15.303" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11203" PostId="4225" Score="1" Text="Sometimes the right answer is to rewrite the question, or close it and ask the one that should have been asked." CreationDate="2017-01-16T05:11:34.270" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11211" PostId="4230" Score="0" Text="I seemed to remember that on SO, the things about quoting wasn't like this, it was preferred to quote only the most relevant part of the referenced without changing the wording. Because if there is someone interpreting and rephrasing, the result might be different." CreationDate="2017-01-17T15:14:22.173" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="11210" PostId="4231" Score="1" Text="If you can recognize that the text is quoted though not well cited, why not just edit Answer 1 to look more like Answer 2?" CreationDate="2017-01-17T13:03:41.440" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11218" PostId="4231" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Good point. However, I think the problem there is it is not always clear how much of the content above needs to be blockquoted, until you actually go to the link and figure out what is copied. In enderland's example, for instance, is only &quot;Another shamelessly copied paragraph.&quot; copied from link, or also &quot;Lots of text blah blah blah.&quot;? I think it would be better to downvote and leave a comment urging the OP to clean it himself." CreationDate="2017-01-17T17:04:02.217" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11219" PostId="4231" Score="1" Text="@DavidK I have done that, too. I have a fairly low tolerance for blatant copy/pasting though and sometimes a downvote and a comment are more useful at actually _changing_ behavior than simply fixing it and enabling it." CreationDate="2017-01-17T17:05:51.410" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11213" PostId="4233" Score="1" Text="Way to use a source!" CreationDate="2017-01-17T15:16:57.637" UserId="29342" />
  <row Id="11220" PostId="4234" Score="5" Text="not just you, it's this site.  On SO, for example, once a solution is given, end of story.  Here, we are left hanging." CreationDate="2017-01-19T13:19:10.637" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12648" PostId="4234" Score="0" Text="Something I've seen work somewhat often is having someone paste a comment tagging that user, asking them to edit their answer with the results. Because that user then will see a notification in their inbox of this, and be reminded to add said results." CreationDate="2017-06-19T21:09:57.863" UserId="60246" />
  <row Id="11222" PostId="4237" Score="1" Text="[Here is a link to the question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/83417/is-keyword-matching-an-acceptable-practice), although I doubt many people would be able to view it. Unfortunately I didn't save the question text." CreationDate="2017-01-21T06:26:28.123" UserDisplayName="user401790" />
  <row Id="11224" PostId="4237" Score="0" Text="FWIW I was in the middle of writing an *answer* to your question when you deleted it. Your question did sound like a rant with phrases like &quot;dubious claim&quot;, &quot;do I really want to work here&quot;, &quot;time consuming&quot;, and so on. But after reading your comment, I decided to accept that you did not *intend* to rant. I even provided you feedback to tone down the language to get a serious answer, although I admit I did not do it diplomatically enough. I was planning to edit your question next after finishing my answer, but could not do it because the question got deleted." CreationDate="2017-01-21T08:58:00.047" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11225" PostId="4237" Score="0" Text="Not sure if you can read this message, but I have now edited your question and voted to undelete it. If it does get undeleted, feel free to recreate your account and link the question to your account by asking a moderator. I may also continue with writing my answer. :)" CreationDate="2017-01-21T09:33:34.713" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11247" PostId="4237" Score="0" Text="The question being referenced has been reopened." CreationDate="2017-01-23T14:22:17.200" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11253" PostId="4237" Score="0" Text="I saw this coming in a couple of my previous posts concerning rudeness...There are many users who do not understand how new posters think, and often respond to everyone as if they are seasoned veterans of the Workplace. It has caused some problems on this site, but hopefully can be resolved." CreationDate="2017-01-23T18:25:43.400" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="11226" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="I think that could be edited down further to just state the issue and ask the question, dropping the  objections and simplifying to &quot;this seems ridiculous; is it really true and if so how/should I try to make this work in my favor&quot;. Brevity  does increase odds of getting responses; pre-arguing for a particular outcome tends to decrease them." CreationDate="2017-01-21T13:00:35.133" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11227" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="I know the post is more verbose than it needs to be, but I felt that without enlisting those reasons and the rest of the explanation, the post once again sounds like whining. &quot;This system sucks, but anyway, how do I make it work?&quot; I decided to leave it in, so that it at least appears that OP has tried thinking about the problem, and isn't just complaining about a necessary nuisance." CreationDate="2017-01-21T17:16:55.923" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11228" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - You're definitely making a heroic effort fixing the post. I didn't want to even try, because I anticipated a lot of pain.  And a fair amount of time. You're going above and beyond." CreationDate="2017-01-21T18:23:27.250" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="11229" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="The first question I think needs to be asked is &quot;is this really the system&quot;. I have an unsupported feeling that this is starting from a false assumption." CreationDate="2017-01-22T04:19:45.777" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11234" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="We don't seem to be getting anywhere. Let the OP clean up after himself." CreationDate="2017-01-22T21:02:40.217" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="11248" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan the question has been un-deleted" CreationDate="2017-01-23T14:22:53.033" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11249" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Thanks for letting me know. :)" CreationDate="2017-01-23T14:58:49.327" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11251" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="I voted to reopen" CreationDate="2017-01-23T16:04:11.317" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11252" PostId="4238" Score="0" Text="I was in the middle of writing a *great* answer :), but unfortunately, I have lost the flow of thoughts now, I hope will regather it by the time the question gets reopened (if it does)." CreationDate="2017-01-23T16:17:16.733" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11230" PostId="4239" Score="1" Text="The intoxication only matters if upper management decides the action was wrong and intoxication was a factor in the mistake. The only way to find that out is to take it to them." CreationDate="2017-01-22T05:14:26.413" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11235" PostId="4239" Score="2" Text="@keshlam That is *one* possible answer to this question. Other possible answers might be &quot;don't say anything&quot;, or many others. It's a highly usual situation where someone doesn't know what to do – closing it with this close reason makes no sense." CreationDate="2017-01-23T04:08:24.710" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="11236" PostId="4239" Score="1" Text="Disagree that it is &quot;highly usual&quot;, but neither of us has statistical evidence." CreationDate="2017-01-23T04:13:54.763" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11237" PostId="4239" Score="9" Text="@keshlam So getting fired by a drunk boss because you're eating too much KFC is business as usual...?" CreationDate="2017-01-23T04:20:56.497" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="11238" PostId="4239" Score="2" Text="No, that specific combination is so rare that it's not a good Stack Exchange question, and it's the wrong question because most of it is irrelevant, and what isn't irrelevant (&quot;fired, perhaps unfairly&quot;) is a duplicate. Stack Exchange isn't a discussion site, it's a crowdsourced FAQ site.  Questions which won't yield useful new answers get closed. This strikes me as a good example of that. Of course others may or may not agree, and the community can vote to reopen just as they voted to close" CreationDate="2017-01-23T05:23:26.007" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11239" PostId="4239" Score="5" Text="@keshlam &quot;this specific combination is too rare&quot; is a different reason than the given closure reason. I understand the purpose of the SE sites, but &quot;too localized&quot; isn't a very good closure reason IMHO, and something that seems almost arbitrary applied (many, *many* questions on workplace are pretty specific)." CreationDate="2017-01-23T05:46:04.907" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="11240" PostId="4239" Score="1" Text="The close-vote system has a small number of fairly broad categories, plus one write-your-own-reason choice. There is a certain amount of &quot;that's close enough to my reason&quot; granularity.  It also tends to bias folks toward agreeing with the reasons already given. Al Yes, this could be improved, though you would probably have to take that request to the site-wide meta. *However,*  the fact that I feel one reason is strongest does not mean I disagree with the other reason given; it just means that even if we reversed that it wouldn't help; the question would still have been closed, I think." CreationDate="2017-01-23T12:51:33.543" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11241" PostId="4239" Score="0" Text="And in fact the official close reason is correct, and the reason selected is the one we use in these cases.  Appeal process is company-specific, take it to management/hr; if you think you have a legal case (which is probably not an option here) you need expert advice. If we had closed this as duplicate, the one it duplicated would most likely have been closed for this reason, though I haven't checked. Several justify able close reasons, and I don't yet see a way to edit it which fixes them." CreationDate="2017-01-23T13:03:43.063" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11242" PostId="4239" Score="1" Text="I don't think that the core of the question is about what policy to follow, but about how to deal with a difficult social situation. @keshlam" CreationDate="2017-01-23T13:07:57.950" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="11243" PostId="4239" Score="0" Text="Social situations are out of scope except as they specifically apply to the workplace,  so that would hit another close reason. If the question was how to manage an irrational/drunken manager it might be in scope but I think it'll be duplicate again." CreationDate="2017-01-23T13:13:28.180" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11244" PostId="4239" Score="0" Text="@keshlam ...? Half the questions are about that?" CreationDate="2017-01-23T13:15:15.050" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="11245" PostId="4239" Score="0" Text="OK, I may be missing something! Which specific question do you think merits reopening/reasoning?" CreationDate="2017-01-23T13:17:08.210" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11246" PostId="4239" Score="20" Text="Voting to reopen.  Bizarre actions of managers are not uncommon, so IMO this is relevant to the workplace." CreationDate="2017-01-23T14:20:27.720" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11250" PostId="4239" Score="7" Text="@Keshlam - This question is not what is going to happen, it is how should the op handle the situation.  That is on topic, constructive, and something we can answer." CreationDate="2017-01-23T15:57:13.497" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11254" PostId="4239" Score="0" Text="Usually the way to handle bizzare management practices is either to work around them (not an option here), quit (not an option here), appeal past them to upper management or HR, or try for legal redress (generally not a good option if you want to retain that job). Which I believe have all been previously discussed." CreationDate="2017-01-23T23:20:44.850" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11267" PostId="4239" Score="0" Text="@keshlam the case here is a bit extreme, so the answer can be different from usual cases already discussed. If not, it's still valuable to know that even in a extreme case, you don't have to act differently." CreationDate="2017-01-26T11:51:43.060" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="11268" PostId="4239" Score="0" Text="The &quot;if not&quot; is why we have Duplicate status rather than deleting. I'm willing to be convinced this is different enough to not be treated that way, but so far I'm hearing &quot;can&quot; rather than &quot;is&quot;." CreationDate="2017-01-26T12:46:30.733" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11398" PostId="4239" Score="0" Text="Either it should be closed or answered/self-answered so it won't be bumped automatically latter on." CreationDate="2017-02-03T13:55:36.120" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="11403" PostId="4239" Score="0" Text="I did not vote to close but to my it was just so specific that it would not be of general value.   People got to chose the reason they want to." CreationDate="2017-02-03T17:12:36.220" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11231" PostId="4240" Score="1" Text="I don't see how does it answer the question, hence downvote" CreationDate="2017-01-22T14:30:01.970" UserId="47517" />
  <row Id="11232" PostId="4240" Score="2" Text="Upvoted for being a *beautifully* self-referential paradox.  And very funny.  (Or is it?)  :)" CreationDate="2017-01-22T14:53:25.797" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="11233" PostId="4240" Score="4" Text="@kukis, this is a *perfect* answer.  It uses humor to assert that humor should not be posted here." CreationDate="2017-01-22T14:54:29.967" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="11489" PostId="4240" Score="2" Text="Brilliant, BRILLIANT response." CreationDate="2017-02-08T14:06:13.553" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11260" PostId="4241" Score="0" Text="We already got excellent moderators? Are we sacking them and replacing, or just adding some more?" CreationDate="2017-01-25T08:50:00.083" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11262" PostId="4241" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Nobody's Sacking current moderators. The process to remove a moderator against their will is not public and very rarely applied (and usually only in cases of extreme misconduct). Moderators are elected until they step down by themselves. Maybe some are retiring voluntarily, though." CreationDate="2017-01-25T13:05:49.497" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="11264" PostId="4241" Score="4" Text="@Kilisi No one is stepping down - they simply requested additional hands." CreationDate="2017-01-25T13:28:05.373" UserId="154" />
  <row Id="11261" PostId="4245" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings My question is more about de-escalation tactics then rudeness in comments as a whole." CreationDate="2017-01-25T09:13:30.957" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="11266" PostId="4245" Score="0" Text="If the commenters commented on the answers rather than what they think the answer is, that would help. I've received comments that showed the commenters were not thinking things through and I've had had from commenters who clearly had not bothered to read the references that I had supplied." CreationDate="2017-01-26T08:07:03.703" UserId="16993" />
  <row Id="11255" PostId="4246" Score="0" Text="This question was [asked by DoubleAA](http://meta.judaism.stackexchange.com/a/4185/472) in the Mi Yodeya election and I'm borrowing it here." CreationDate="2017-01-24T19:32:59.207" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11259" PostId="4249" Score="0" Text="I'll let you know when I get the two year milestone, hopefully I'll get two badges." CreationDate="2017-01-25T08:46:09.343" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="15822" PostId="4250" Score="0" Text="Ah! So that explained why I've gained Yearling 4 times in the last 24 hours oO I wonder if it's possible to get more Yearling badges than the Workplace has been opened for (ie, if it's based on the age of the account or on the age of the site) :D" CreationDate="2018-07-06T12:47:44.907" UserId="1180" />
  <row Id="11263" PostId="4254" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure duplicate answers are supposed to be handled via the LQP queue, even. I think it's more appropiate to custom flag those. (At least thats what I do here and on SO and I haven't eaten a declined flag over it yet)" CreationDate="2017-01-25T13:25:36.360" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="11265" PostId="4254" Score="4" Text="Adding a link to the duplicate answer is important here; we sometimes get &quot;duplicate answer&quot; flags with no further information, and we're probably not going to dig through 12 other answers to figure out what the flagger meant.  Linking to it in a comment informs everyone -- the author, who might fix or delete his answer himself, and the community, who can vote." CreationDate="2017-01-25T15:26:10.760" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11269" PostId="4257" Score="0" Text="I don't think this is a very good question. Activity in general depends on many things, and it's not like anyone could give a blanket answer to that." CreationDate="2017-01-26T14:05:16.443" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="11270" PostId="4257" Score="1" Text="I asked a [similar question](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/2489/325) in a prior election.  Consider the way I approached that; instead of just asking a yes/no question I asked how activity would change.  Feel free to cannibalize if you think it's helpful." CreationDate="2017-01-26T14:21:37.880" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11273" PostId="4258" Score="1" Text="Comments are ephemeral and temporary. This is totally expected behaviour of a moderator doing their job, and I think this question is just a veiled complaint about existing moderation practise." CreationDate="2017-01-27T08:15:38.003" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="11274" PostId="4258" Score="0" Text="[This conversation has been had MANY time already.](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/comments)" CreationDate="2017-01-27T13:30:08.777" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11292" PostId="4258" Score="6" Text="__Comments removed.__ Ironic, I know.  We almost never delete stuff on meta, but that doesn't mean we'll allow personal attacks and other rudeness to stand.  You're welcome to appeal to SE by using the &quot;contact us&quot; link at the bottom of the page." CreationDate="2017-01-29T03:17:06.497" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11312" PostId="4258" Score="1" Text="I wont lie.  I would actually like to see this question answered..." CreationDate="2017-01-30T20:42:30.860" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11293" PostId="4261" Score="2" Text="Find out why they don't appear to care. Proceed from there. But part of being a contractor is accepting that your job is to do what is assigned to you, not what you'd do if you were running the project. The customer is not always right, but the customer is the one with the money, and you need to decide whether you care more about being right of being paid." CreationDate="2017-01-29T04:08:56.957" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11296" PostId="4261" Score="2" Text="@keshlam that's an answer to the *original* question (which basically appears in multiple of the answers), not this meta question." CreationDate="2017-01-29T16:31:01.547" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="11305" PostId="4262" Score="0" Text="Let us [continue this discussion in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/52690/discussion-between-masked-man-and-djechlin)." CreationDate="2017-01-29T17:38:33.663" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11313" PostId="4265" Score="0" Text="Actually the 2nd edit clarified it enough for me I have voted to reopen as well." CreationDate="2017-01-30T20:47:15.187" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11315" PostId="4265" Score="0" Text="What you can do about it is *manage the employee for Improvement* rather than jumping to the nuclear option of a PIP. There is no way to make putting someone on a PIP anything but a severe repremand and threat of firing for cause. If that is not what you intended, you had no business invoking the PIP process." CreationDate="2017-01-30T22:47:02.220" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11317" PostId="4265" Score="1" Text="@keshlam Yes, I think the first half of [Dan's answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/83989/16983) covers that. &quot;That's your informal low stress Performance Improvement Plan. It's low stress because you're just doing your job and you're not explicitly mentioning consequences for noncompliance.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-01-31T13:03:29.437" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11321" PostId="4266" Score="0" Text="Is someone stepping down? Or are we adding one?" CreationDate="2017-01-31T20:14:30.490" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="11316" PostId="4268" Score="2" Text="Hi Christopher, finding a way to put the focus more on editing to improve is an awesome goal. Closing (or putting &quot;On Hold&quot; as it's now called) is a tool used to help with this goal. Oftentimes, if a question gets too many answers in its original form, it can make it more difficult to edit and make changes. Therefore, putting a question on hold helps editors make the changes, without having to worry about invalidating answers. I do agree people voting to close should definitely work towards finding ways to make the question re-openable, as that helps the op, our community, and future readers." CreationDate="2017-01-31T05:54:43.033" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="11318" PostId="4268" Score="3" Text="Right.  Make the question more reopenable but what is also a great &quot;goal&quot; (but an impossible one) would be if there were some way to get people to actually read the question before hitting close and in particular, read the duplicate they're about to mark and genuinely weigh it. As for 'on hold&quot; being the term, I believe the review buttons still say &quot;Close&quot;  :)" CreationDate="2017-01-31T15:16:51.200" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11319" PostId="4268" Score="1" Text="@jmort253 With all due respect, that is a pretty lame reason to justify closing of questions. If a question gets edited so much that it invalidates the existing answers *and* the new version is accepted by the community, then it is the answerer's own fault for answering a poor question. By the way, why can I not vote to on hold a question? &quot;Voting to on hold as off topic ...&quot; has a nice ring to it." CreationDate="2017-01-31T16:51:01.147" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11320" PostId="4268" Score="0" Text="Well that's where editing becomes somewhat of a talent. You have to attempt to infer what the OP is TRYING to say and include that in a manner that makes it on topic. I think the problem with closing and then editing is that there appears to be a reticence to reopen questions by vote. Reminds me of what my dad, a retired cop, used to say. &quot;If they weren't guilty, I would't have arrested them.&quot; There's a tendency to believe that they're closed for a reason and keep them that way. The OP would then be better off just cut &amp; paste the edited Q and making a new one. Not the best method." CreationDate="2017-01-31T17:21:23.297" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11359" PostId="4268" Score="0" Text="I liked your answer to 8 but am disappointed with your answer to 11.  I would point out that on hold is not close.  The idea is that we should put questions that are not ready on hold so they can be fixed rather than get answers that make it hard to change the qustion with out invalidating the answers." CreationDate="2017-02-01T16:03:29.500" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11362" PostId="4268" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I realize that the intention is that it be &quot;on hold&quot; and it actually says that once it's done but with the exception of putting the words on the post, the term &quot;close&quot; is what's used in the process throughout.  Even questions 5 and 11 use the term &quot;close&quot;. It's a close queue in review and at the bottom of every question is a &quot;close&quot; link. And unfortunately, once closed they tend to stay that way. That's a problem in my opinion. What disappointed you about 11? Mods shouldn't be undoing what other mods do (in my opinion) over a disagreement. That's divisive." CreationDate="2017-02-01T16:28:53.340" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11459" PostId="4268" Score="1" Text="I like your answer to 9 - many times I've seen mods unilaterally delete or move all comments, even ones that are useful (and which get repeated later because people don't look at the chat..). I recently saw a mod say they had simply moved *all* comments, because it was too much effort on mobile to only move the chatty ones.. very frustrating from a user standpoint. So I appreciate your take on it, and I agree it would make moderation seem less heavy-handed :)" CreationDate="2017-02-07T17:00:24.527" UserId="44082" />
  <row Id="11501" PostId="4268" Score="0" Text="re: &quot;People seems like would rather close a question rather than to find a way to keep it open&quot; do you feel this way about duplicates as well? Seems like linking users to a previous discussion on the same/similar-enough topic is better than trying to rehash the same subject (or worse, getting no good answers). The high traffic on The Workplace specifically seems to lend itself to needing more closures than other SE sites." CreationDate="2017-02-08T21:13:09.740" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11502" PostId="4268" Score="0" Text="Do you have any threshold in mind for when *a user* becomes a problem? I feel like your sentiment is correct that one instance probably isn't enough, but I think it's too easy to say &quot;let's wait and see what happens next time&quot;. Would you be able to propose guidelines to your fellow mods about what is &quot;too much&quot; and what might they be?" CreationDate="2017-02-08T21:17:59.573" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11505" PostId="4268" Score="0" Text="about dupes.  I do feel that way. I believe that too many questions are called duplicates that aren't. The one asking the question is told *This question was marked as an exact duplicate of an existing question.* when many, many times it's just similar. It's almost like some don't **want** questions, even when people are willing to answer them. My personal feeling is that unless it is truly an exact duplicate (with actual answers) than most dupe closures are premature." CreationDate="2017-02-08T21:35:26.763" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11506" PostId="4268" Score="0" Text="about users. That's obviously a case-by-case basis. Someone being a pain in the butt and abrasive. Rules have to be violated. Then you go through the steps of discouraging that behavior. But even if a person is abrasive and sarcastic, unless he's violating &quot;Be Nice&quot; or other rules, he shouldn't be censured.  Enforce the rules where they're broken. If it's repeated then you address it every time. I don't know what the threshold is because I'm not privy to those discussions but at some point the person is harming the community and not willing to be a good citizen. Does that help?" CreationDate="2017-02-08T21:41:35.913" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11500" PostId="4269" Score="0" Text="Thanks for taking the time to write out your thoughts here!&#xA;I have a question about &quot;it's up to the community to identify said filth&quot; regarding rudeness. What happens when/if the community fails in that role? Do we hope to do better next time or should a mod intervene?" CreationDate="2017-02-08T19:46:00.947" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11507" PostId="4269" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle I'm not entirely sure what you're thinking of. If a situation (hostile discussions, backlash against the OP) has run out of control that tends to be because a mod didn't get to it early enough to shut it down. At that point the typical action I've seen is to remove most or all of the comment chain and put up a comment, usually a reference to the Be Nice policy. So a mod will typically find those eventually. From what I've heard, the users involved will then be contacted directly by the mods if they crossed the line. So that kind of policing is community-guided but the mods are" CreationDate="2017-02-08T22:07:43.057" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11508" PostId="4269" Score="0" Text="the ones to clean up and follow up as the &quot;evidence&quot; is removed. I can't think of many situations where such a situation developed to the point that a large section of the community noticed it before a mod could get to it. If you're asking more about the type of rudeness that falls short of being removal-worthy and is more about how (new) users are treated, then I believe that's where the meta threads come in as you're then talking about the site culture. And really, anything that fits into that category is typically still removed if it's not constructive and only meant to criticise." CreationDate="2017-02-08T22:07:47.513" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11509" PostId="4269" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the reply; I wasn't really looking for a specific answer and I'm not sure there is much more that could be done besides what you said, but I wanted to hear your thoughts anyway :)" CreationDate="2017-02-08T22:44:05.090" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11513" PostId="4269" Score="1" Text="Good luck @Lilienthal !  You're a perfect mod material for WP SE :)" CreationDate="2017-02-10T08:38:27.490" UserId="40657" />
  <row Id="11332" PostId="4270" Score="12" Text="So you know, the comment about whining came from a user who has a history of rude behavior and currently has his account suspended." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:40:17.610" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11336" PostId="4270" Score="21" Text="Flag, flag, flag. Between your two questions and all the answers there are no flags period against this activity you describe here (only one flag on a comment in total and none against any answers for tone). Moderators don't read everything. If someone is being rude/not constructive, the only way we know is by flagging." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:51:10.633" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11354" PostId="4270" Score="3" Text="I wonder if you had ever considered doing something about it? I agree, the site can be rude or annoying sometimes but generally you have the power to fix it and watch as it gets corrected. You even eluded to it in your post, being an answer that started somewhat poor and was improved by editing. If you only look for the bad, you will only find bad." CreationDate="2017-02-01T15:32:45.983" UserId="38203" />
  <row Id="11360" PostId="4270" Score="4" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this is a rant about the op not liking that answers and comments.  It is not about improving the workplace or seeking an explanation into why something happened." CreationDate="2017-02-01T16:17:19.897" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11385" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I'd leave it open, as nothing serves so well as a bad example." CreationDate="2017-02-02T13:20:23.480" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11485" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="Hehe, &quot;strongly&quot; is formatted `&lt;strong&gt;`ly. As for the rest of this, I'm not a regular here; I'll let the people who are answer this." CreationDate="2017-02-08T04:58:51.220" UserId="30756" />
  <row Id="11487" PostId="4270" Score="0" Text="I strongly agree. While I am not a native English speaker. I have bad grammar and I got downvotes on &quot;cannot understand what you are asking&quot;. Why? Did I wrote it when drunk? No. I wrote it as I need help with not close. I had raised this with @MonicaCellio years back and good work was done against it but it's creeping back. Users here like to downgrade and exercise there power with wrong force. I was even told &quot;I rant too much&quot; he was a op. I don't know if it's healthy for us to be here or we came here to get scolded." CreationDate="2017-02-08T09:52:41.783" UserDisplayName="user15704" />
  <row Id="11323" PostId="4271" Score="1" Text="For clarity, I did mean the last comment in jest, hence the &quot;;)&quot;. I didn't mean for it to be taken literally! :)" CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:07:47.550" UserDisplayName="user38869" />
  <row Id="11324" PostId="4271" Score="1" Text="@Poet - and as you pointed out  &quot;Something written sarcastically can easily be taken literally.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:08:26.633" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11325" PostId="4271" Score="1" Text="Exactly why I added the &quot;;)&quot; to give context." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:09:34.137" UserDisplayName="user38869" />
  <row Id="11326" PostId="4271" Score="1" Text="@Poet - I understand. My point is that even with the &quot;;)&quot;, you weaken your question with that sentence. I'm sure many of the folks you pointed out would tell you &quot;Well I didn't mean it that way&quot; too." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:11:59.263" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11327" PostId="4271" Score="1" Text="I appreciate and understand what you're saying but I disagree. [The entire purpose of &quot;smileys&quot; is to give context of emotion where it might not otherwise exist](http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/17470919.2013.873737?journalCode=psns20&amp;#.VLadY2TF871). That's a bit of a strawman arguement in my opinion. That's a lot different to stamping words in bold or asking a question, then in the same breathe answering it rhetorically as I've quoted above." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:20:09.727" UserDisplayName="user38869" />
  <row Id="11328" PostId="4271" Score="5" Text="@Poet Joe's point is that often people say things that are meant to be humorous or hyperbole and not taken literally, but that is not always clear when read. Our users come from many different countries and cultures, many of them not native English speakers. Often what you perceive to be rude was not intended that way at all." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:26:54.347" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11330" PostId="4271" Score="3" Text="@Poet - I was trying to give you constructive feedback, not propose a strawman for argument's sake. Sorry it didn't come across that way." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:35:25.420" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11333" PostId="4271" Score="0" Text="It's a difficult one. Definitely. Personally, I interpreted the model-release comment as trying to *strongly* make the point that you were not in a position to make choices about who gets access to what. With a deliberate sarcastic bent for humorous effect." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:40:23.680" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="11334" PostId="4271" Score="1" Text="I get your point entirely. Anyway, I like what you say here: `It can be disheartening, but I try to look at the bigger picture and decide if I'm getting enough out of The Workplace to tolerate the downside, or not. And when it becomes &quot;not&quot;, then I will leave.` The issue this site appears have is that, when a new user who's experienced neither an up nor down, but immediately experiences a down, they reach the same conclusion." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:40:53.510" UserDisplayName="user38869" />
  <row Id="11337" PostId="4271" Score="4" Text="`I wish that the site allowed for downvoting of comments, so that we could express our distaste for some of them more directly. But it doesn't.` It sort of does through flagging - given most comments it would be possible to disagree with in the first place are likely not fitting the intended purpose of comments, it's probable most would just be deleted by us as moderators." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:53:36.817" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11346" PostId="4271" Score="4" Text="@enderland - not the same thing at all. Flagging is private, and just calls moderator attention to a comment. The moderator may choose to do something about the comment, or may just do nothing, at their discretion. Voting would publicly tell everyone how the voters felt about the comment. We have upvotes for comments. I think it's sad that we don't have downvotes, and I don't understand why that is." CreationDate="2017-02-01T14:37:37.460" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11419" PostId="4271" Score="1" Text="Grumble over on the main Meta, and try to get comment downvoting onto the backlog with something approaching reasonable priority. Frankly, given past interaction there I suspect they won't be interested unless it's tied into the gamified-capabilities system and only enabled for folks with some number of points, but if you put it in those terms they might consider it. (Last time I looked, they were a lot more interested in adding new Achievements than in bugfixing.)" CreationDate="2017-02-05T03:44:47.087" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11422" PostId="4271" Score="0" Text="@keshlam - thanks. I'm not at all interested in additional gamification (too much of that already), so I think I'll just grumble to myself. That means it will occasionally spill out here, but I promise to try and keep that to a minimum." CreationDate="2017-02-05T12:11:36.850" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11423" PostId="4271" Score="0" Text="I agree with you that the game system is over-emphasized. I'm just noting that we have seen more calls for &quot;what can we add as another reward&quot; than &quot;how can we make SE work better&quot;, and when I've pointed that out I've gotten push back. Definitely worth making the suggestion in any case, but I'm cynically concerned that unless you sell it in their terms it might not go anywhere. (I've worked hard for my grumpy-old-man certificate, and by Jing I'm gonna enjoy it if it kills me.. )" CreationDate="2017-02-05T14:50:02.413" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11441" PostId="4271" Score="2" Text="Thank you for writing this up Joe. I think that was the most concise and well-reasoned analysis of one of SE's sore points that I've read in my time on the site. And strangely optimistic given the topic. Based on what I've seen of the use and abuse of comments on this site I still think downvoting would create more problems than it solves but your argument for it *is* compelling." CreationDate="2017-02-06T19:51:45.720" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11329" PostId="4272" Score="6" Text="Cultural differences, I'm sure, but if OP did anything like this at any of the companies I worked at, they'd be at least fired and probably be reported to the police." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:30:27.813" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="11331" PostId="4272" Score="3" Text="@Magisch Probably not for work-party photos already cleared for public display, but anything the slightest bit sensitive in nature? Absolutely." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:38:56.143" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="11335" PostId="4272" Score="3" Text="From what I read, these were cleared for release only on the company screens (presumably only IT can get and put files on that) and thus not intended to freely circulate the internet, which is something you have to expect if you offer an anonymous download link and no warning saying not to put it." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:42:16.907" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="11347" PostId="4272" Score="2" Text="I did not mark your original answer down because it was correct but I wanted to for tone.   Just answer the question and don't pass judgement." CreationDate="2017-02-01T14:48:22.203" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11349" PostId="4272" Score="8" Text="@Paparazzi With respect, answering the question &quot;Did I act unprofessionally&quot; *is* passing judgement, no matter what the answer is." CreationDate="2017-02-01T14:50:53.870" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="11350" PostId="4272" Score="1" Text="@Kaz Passing judgement and making judgement are not the same.  Sorry I tried to help." CreationDate="2017-02-01T14:52:57.667" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11351" PostId="4272" Score="2" Text="@Paparazzi Want to try to explain &quot;Making&quot; judgement and &quot;Passing&quot; judgement? Making a judgement is simply your process on how you come to the conclusion - e.g. passing judgement. You can't do one without the other and I would be curious to find out how you think it is possible (at least not without causing other issues such as begging the question)." CreationDate="2017-02-01T15:30:18.750" UserId="38203" />
  <row Id="11339" PostId="4273" Score="19" Text="Another problem we get that SO does not is confirmation bias or people seeking a specific answer - from a comment on an answer there, by the OP: `@Kaz Then you've completely missed the point of the question. I already know what my HR thinks, I was trying to get a second opinion.` -- this sort of reads to me like, &quot;I know this is considered unprofessional by my company, but I want to hear that it's ok.&quot; That might not be the case here but the entire question reads that way too. It sort of reads like, &quot;please tell me my HR department are zealous idiots and what I did was really not that bad.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:57:38.493" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11469" PostId="4273" Score="3" Text="&quot;This means being able to give and take criticism without taking things personally&quot; but that *also* means making an effort not to come across as hostile." CreationDate="2017-02-07T21:55:01.423" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11524" PostId="4273" Score="1" Text="&quot;I like to make my answers clear, short, and to the point.&quot; I don't see how the &quot;If I worked in HR...&quot; paragraph can be seen as anything except the exact opposite of this. Tacking on an extra insult that adds nothing to the content of the answer makes it longer and less to the point." CreationDate="2017-02-11T00:42:10.387" UserId="25641" />
  <row Id="11525" PostId="4273" Score="1" Text="Though you're right about that things shouldn't be taken personally, some of Kaz's comments were *completely* unneccessary, e.g. &quot;If I worked in HR, I would be making a note somewhere never to trust you with access to anything the slightest bit sensitive.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-11T13:41:50.917" UserId="36790" />
  <row Id="11338" PostId="4274" Score="0" Text="To be fair, some of the original language (see [Edit History](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/84124/revisions)) was, kinda, saying that." CreationDate="2017-02-01T13:54:09.057" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="11342" PostId="4274" Score="0" Text="Ahhhh - I'll update that bit then." CreationDate="2017-02-01T14:02:42.167" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="11470" PostId="4274" Score="1" Text="Hm, I think this answer unintentionally hides behind the SE policies a bit. Saying uncommented downvotes aren't intended to be rude is great, but to an extent that just ignores a limitation of the site design. Of course a new user will feel shunned if they are immediately met with downvotes, and that is made worse because neither the site or it's users guide new users through that scenario." CreationDate="2017-02-07T22:02:00.997" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11471" PostId="4274" Score="1" Text="Well, that's not quite true - there is a lot of guidance for new users. If they read it, they are in a much better position. The problem is that many don't, so while we try to help encourage them, we can't fully handhold them. But I do agree, some sites are better than others at explaining downvotes to brand new users." CreationDate="2017-02-07T22:05:17.483" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="11340" PostId="4275" Score="1" Text="I think your message here is going to be lost in the feeling of this being a rant. Perhaps an [edit] to remove some of the bolding would help with that?" CreationDate="2017-02-01T14:00:12.983" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11344" PostId="4275" Score="1" Text="I'm honestly not sure why that was deleted from the chat room, that... is nonsensical to me as well." CreationDate="2017-02-01T14:22:22.240" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11345" PostId="4275" Score="4" Text="Downvoted for non-constructive tone.  Are you trying to raise a point for thoughtful discussion, or do you just want to make a snarky rant?  If the former, I suggest you rephrase." CreationDate="2017-02-01T14:25:16.253" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11348" PostId="4275" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I will concede that my general irritation with HNQ and moderators being trigger happy to delete comments got the better of me here. Anyway, the core purpose of my post is to encourage regular users to use their privileges wisely. I will edit out the non-constructive tone when I have the time. Feel free to do it though if you can." CreationDate="2017-02-01T14:50:37.837" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11352" PostId="4275" Score="5" Text="Re &quot;Some people were suspended from the site for questioning why moderators do not allow discussion in comments&quot;: the only people who know why a user was suspended are the moderators, the user, and anybody the user has shared the suspension notice with.  If you aren't in one of those categories, then at best you are engaging in rumors and speculation.  And remember: you don't see everything." CreationDate="2017-02-01T15:31:21.687" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11361" PostId="4275" Score="4" Text="I completely agree.  It really grinds my gears when I see otherwise high rep high quality contributors answering bad questions.  Comments on the other hand suck in general I think posting comments that get deleted should cost rep!  We have a gaming problem with people wanting more points. fix it and this problem goes away.  But you have to fix it by increasing the penalty for doing bad things" CreationDate="2017-02-01T16:27:26.490" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11363" PostId="4275" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings one thing that could be done to mitigate against people profitably answering questions that should have been closed: revive the [broken-windows project](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/broken-windows-review).  Any community member can do that; doesn't need mods except maybe to deal final blows *after* community review and consensus." CreationDate="2017-02-01T16:35:30.760" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11366" PostId="4275" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio FWIW, I have now &quot;cooled down&quot; and deleted my &quot;offensive&quot; comments above." CreationDate="2017-02-01T16:50:39.910" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11381" PostId="4275" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings penalizing people for comments that get deleted makes no sense. Comments are SUPPOSED to be deleted. If anything, you should penalize people for comments that are still there after a week. (Or autoremove them)" CreationDate="2017-02-02T09:50:49.560" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="11390" PostId="4275" Score="0" Text="@Erik - The point is to add incentive to rethink the desire and need to post a comment.  Get into a discussion that is 8 comments long... that just cost you 80 rep.  Im also for an logarithmic type scale your first comment on a question or answer deleted costs 0 second 1 third 10, 100, 1000 etc" CreationDate="2017-02-02T15:35:33.933" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11391" PostId="4275" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings but the point is that ideally, good comments also get deleted. It would strongly discourage posting any comments altogether, even though good comments serve a positive purpose." CreationDate="2017-02-02T16:52:26.390" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="11392" PostId="4275" Score="0" Text="@Erik I think what he is suggesting is one of the final step of a comment feature overhaul. You should be able to tell *why* a comment was deleted first. If it was deleted because the OP addressed the issue raised (and hence, is obsolete), commenter should not be penalized. But if the comment was deleted because it was just a snide remark or a meme or generally irrelevant, *then* the penalty applies." CreationDate="2017-02-02T17:00:19.183" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11393" PostId="4275" Score="2" Text="Anyway, that problem doesn't need such a complicated solution. I have a much easier solution to that: on any post, a user can have *at most one* comment (except perhaps in meta, where we can be more lenient). If you want to make a new comment, delete the old one first. That friction automatically kills all back and forth discussion in comments, and relieves a *huge* burden of the moderators. There shall also be a site-wide limit on comments to encourage people to clean up old obsolete comments. Unfortunately, the know-it-alls at SE just don't want to listen. :)" CreationDate="2017-02-02T17:09:11.300" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11394" PostId="4275" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan that would help, yes. A penalty for making bad comments is effective. (Then again; that's also why we have warnings and the banhammer for people who make too many, so we already do it in a way)&#xA;I actually like the idea of a limit on how many comments per post." CreationDate="2017-02-02T17:30:32.963" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="11395" PostId="4275" Score="1" Text="@Erik - I would be all for an increased intolarance on the part of the mods for comment abuse.  But it needs to be applied equally.  Another solution is to give mods the ability to comment ban a person so they can still post questions and answers but not comments for those that are the worst abusers of comments" CreationDate="2017-02-02T17:48:29.293" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11534" PostId="4275" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I once tried to revive that before realising the real scope of the issue after [Joe pointed it out](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/3457/broken-windows-review-5#comment8237_3457). Given the sheer volume even a weekly thread is just too much effort for too little gain. At the time (Q1 2016) we had 1200 closed questions with score of 0 or less. [That's now up to 2K.](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?page=42&amp;tab=votes&amp;q=closed%3ayes%20duplicate%3ano%20score%3a-30..-0)." CreationDate="2017-02-13T07:27:18.767" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11526" PostId="4276" Score="1" Text="+1 for &quot;Also, It's generally a good idea not to ask questions that will put you up to personal scrutiny. If you ask the question &quot;Was I being unprofessional&quot; or something similar, it's a guarantee that you are going to hear things that will seem like attacks because the moment someone says yes, it will seem like a personal attack.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-11T13:52:13.010" UserId="36790" />
  <row Id="11355" PostId="4277" Score="2" Text="See [this Meta discussion](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/171677/why-was-downvoting-comments-declined-should-this-feature-be-revisited) and [this one as well](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3615/allow-downvoting-comments)" CreationDate="2017-02-01T15:42:00.470" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11356" PostId="4277" Score="7" Text="I know i'm not supposed to +1 beyond my upvote, but I'm doing it anyway. If that's a problem, feel free to downvote this comment.  Oh...wait..." CreationDate="2017-02-01T15:50:08.713" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11357" PostId="4277" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherEstep - I see what you did there... and I liked it!" CreationDate="2017-02-01T15:50:48.410" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11358" PostId="4277" Score="0" Text="@DavidK - thanks. I have to remember to search StackExchange Meta... I'd still be interested to hear what folks at The Workplace feel about such a feature." CreationDate="2017-02-01T15:54:51.373" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11365" PostId="4277" Score="2" Text="Or maybe [remove comment upvotes](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/290535/162102)?  Parity, and without adding UI complexity for what's supposed to be second-class content to begin with." CreationDate="2017-02-01T16:49:35.577" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11367" PostId="4277" Score="0" Text="I completely agree with Monica's suggestion to remove comment upvotes, and upvoted her comment to indicate my support ... hmm, wait!" CreationDate="2017-02-01T16:57:36.170" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11368" PostId="4277" Score="0" Text="This reminds me of the lengthy arguments that thousands of forums have had over the lack of a Dislike option on Facebook. Facebook finally conceded some ground there last year as they added other &quot;reactions&quot; besides &quot;Like&quot; (but still no &quot;Dislike&quot;)." CreationDate="2017-02-01T17:00:22.120" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11369" PostId="4277" Score="1" Text="Also related: [Happiness is Mandatory](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HappinessIsMandatory). In other words, the idea seems to be that you should either agree with the comment or &lt;s&gt;STFU&lt;/s&gt; not say anything at all." CreationDate="2017-02-01T17:01:54.007" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11370" PostId="4277" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan well, you might have noticed that I linked to a *post*, where voting has always been supported, so if you want to show support in a place that matters, you can!" CreationDate="2017-02-01T18:56:32.423" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11371" PostId="4277" Score="3" Text="This is more a main meta discussion, but the only viable solution I've come up with would be an automatic removal process if a comment gets X flags of a certain type. Upvotes do have a purpose, forcing more work on the mods isn't an option and a new review queue would only lead to even more discussion. I think we have it worse than most sites both because we are comment-heavy and because very often flippant or overly idealistic comments are upvoted without considering that we're talking about careers and livelihoods here. Seeing upvotes on advice that can get the OP fired is grating." CreationDate="2017-02-01T19:01:13.240" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11380" PostId="4277" Score="0" Text="@Monica Yeah, I upvoted your answer as well! :)" CreationDate="2017-02-02T00:37:00.370" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11382" PostId="4277" Score="5" Text="Just typing this to see if I can upvote my own comments" CreationDate="2017-02-02T12:35:03.767" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11383" PostId="4277" Score="2" Text="Turns out I cant :-(" CreationDate="2017-02-02T12:35:19.000" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11384" PostId="4277" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi - I upvoted it for you. ;)" CreationDate="2017-02-02T12:41:54.873" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11372" PostId="4278" Score="2" Text="It is really hard to address vague generic accusations of issues.  I am not saying you are wrong but just that there is nothing here we can reasonably address." CreationDate="2017-02-01T19:38:41.077" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11373" PostId="4278" Score="1" Text="Can you link to some specific examples?" CreationDate="2017-02-01T19:39:45.850" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11374" PostId="4278" Score="0" Text="@DavidK And are you sure that wouldn't count as shaming people?" CreationDate="2017-02-01T20:09:52.417" UserId="45619" />
  <row Id="11375" PostId="4278" Score="0" Text="I added two recent examples. I'll dig out some more. It would be helpful if I could list questions that I downvoted before having privilege to downvote." CreationDate="2017-02-01T20:13:37.947" UserId="45619" />
  <row Id="11376" PostId="4278" Score="10" Text="Yup, there certainly are a lot of &quot;How do I deal with {coworker | boss} who does {something I don't like}?&quot; questions." CreationDate="2017-02-01T20:16:05.543" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11377" PostId="4278" Score="1" Text="I would just submit that what is petty to an observer may not be such to the person going through it." CreationDate="2017-02-01T21:04:59.723" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11378" PostId="4278" Score="4" Text="Realistically a lot of questions people have here will be about conflict and... most conflict can seem quite petty from the outside looking in." CreationDate="2017-02-01T21:06:47.967" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11379" PostId="4278" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherEstep Well obviously, the people &quot;going through it&quot; do not consider it petty - lest they wouldn't post about it here. But this is Q&amp;A not stress counselling site, so I think the objective reality is relevant. Maybe I'll become wiser now that I started to actively answer those questions." CreationDate="2017-02-01T21:39:56.997" UserId="45619" />
  <row Id="11466" PostId="4278" Score="0" Text="I would disagree on the ~*OPs are looking for sympathy* note. I think many people post on here wanting a &quot;sanity check&quot; before taking action with the assumption they're completely in the right." CreationDate="2017-02-07T21:17:46.797" UserId="40143" />
  <row Id="11488" PostId="4278" Score="0" Text="@SeldomNeedy Many do, but some don't. That was the point. It usually quickly turns out which is which in the comments. Edit history of the question also often tells you lot." CreationDate="2017-02-08T11:53:38.093" UserId="45619" />
  <row Id="11387" PostId="4279" Score="0" Text="@ChristopherEstep when you say &quot;the wiki&quot;, what in particular do you mean?  If you have in mind that a canonical Q&amp;A like this should be community wiki so we can improve it together, I agree.  If you mean some of the tag wikis, please elaborate." CreationDate="2017-02-02T13:43:42.127" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11389" PostId="4279" Score="0" Text="Oops, I just realized that's just an SO thing probably. lol." CreationDate="2017-02-02T14:53:23.850" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11401" PostId="4279" Score="1" Text="A relevant part of those questions are asked by young people that didn't work for long. A good canonical post about how to handle &quot;daily conflict&quot; would be a good reference." CreationDate="2017-02-03T15:55:31.030" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="11402" PostId="4279" Score="0" Text="@ChristopherEstep the only specific thing to SO is the docs, community wiki or tag wiki exists here too." CreationDate="2017-02-03T15:56:29.297" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="11424" PostId="4279" Score="0" Text="Supplementary to this good answer, we could start making a canonical question every time one of our questions makes it to the HNQ, and then close the HNQ and all the [&quot;me too&quot; questions](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/4186/3192) that follow as duplicates of the canonical question. :)" CreationDate="2017-02-05T16:27:45.317" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11449" PostId="4279" Score="0" Text="Let us [continue this discussion in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/53170/discussion-between-lilienthal-and-teacher-kshuang)." CreationDate="2017-02-07T09:13:35.090" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11400" PostId="4280" Score="1" Text="Absolutely agree. I wish I could upvote more than once your answer." CreationDate="2017-02-03T15:19:14.080" UserId="46063" />
  <row Id="11478" PostId="4282" Score="0" Text="This is great advise for any situation where you don't see the other's position as valid in some way!" CreationDate="2017-02-07T23:08:20.430" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11427" PostId="4283" Score="2" Text="&quot;*the problem totally disappears*&quot; That, or the solution becomes obvious. You make a good point and I think it's a variation of the &quot;simple questions are fine&quot; that all StackExchange sites have. A lot of our questions seem trivial when you're further removed from the problem and can automatically approach a situation objectively." CreationDate="2017-02-06T08:09:25.703" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11450" PostId="4283" Score="2" Text="I think alot of the questions actually boil down to, I know what the obvious answer is but I do not like that approach tell me to do something else." CreationDate="2017-02-07T15:48:58.613" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11388" PostId="4285" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting" CreationDate="2017-02-02T14:09:49.013" UserId="154" />
  <row Id="11404" PostId="4286" Score="2" Text="I really like your answers especially 3 and 4" CreationDate="2017-02-03T17:43:50.837" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11445" PostId="4286" Score="0" Text="Thank you IDrinkandIKnowThings:-)" CreationDate="2017-02-06T23:12:15.070" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="11503" PostId="4286" Score="1" Text="re: 3, 4, 8, 10: Hallelujah!" CreationDate="2017-02-08T21:31:21.607" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11504" PostId="4286" Score="0" Text="re: 6, This is an under-rated point. Bringing TWP more inline with other site trends (which have probably already solved similar issues to ours) would prevent 're-inventing the wheel' in some cases." CreationDate="2017-02-08T21:31:45.803" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11396" PostId="4287" Score="0" Text="This is a re-post of [a 2015 ad](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/3027/16983)." CreationDate="2017-02-02T18:56:48.957" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11397" PostId="4287" Score="2" Text="It looks like these dimensions aren't up to spec anymore. Could someone take a crack at fixing this when they get the chance?" CreationDate="2017-02-02T19:18:56.123" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12697" PostId="4287" Score="0" Text="Also, wouldn’t this ad be better suited for [Academia SE](https://academia.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3661/7734)?" CreationDate="2017-06-23T07:47:05.633" UserId="31764" />
  <row Id="12725" PostId="4287" Score="0" Text="@Wrzlprmft It would certainly be appropriate both at Academia and here. The goal in having it as an ad at The Workplace is to direct new users to the linked community wiki so they don't post duplicate questions." CreationDate="2017-06-27T12:00:28.377" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11410" PostId="4288" Score="2" Text="Downvotes here are rarely random, but it's pretty much guaranteed that sarcasm will attract more. It shouldn't be that way, but it happens." CreationDate="2017-02-03T22:03:05.203" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="11411" PostId="4288" Score="3" Text="@RoryAlsop Yes, perceived tone carries a bit of weight.  I edited on post on the main site, and it went from -5 to 24 in about an hour.  The OP was amazed." CreationDate="2017-02-03T22:05:51.717" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11415" PostId="4288" Score="2" Text="&quot;The particular issue I have is that it immediately pulls my attention to it&quot; - I'm sure that's why it is done." CreationDate="2017-02-03T23:42:32.013" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11417" PostId="4288" Score="2" Text="I agree with you on the &quot;large font&quot; part. It is entirely unnecessary and highly irritating. I have read many of @Lilienthal 's answers which make generous use of bolding to emphasize important points, but I have never once seen her use large fonts. Those bolded parts serve their purpose well and I never find them annoying. I also &quot;copy&quot; her style for most of my answers." CreationDate="2017-02-04T01:05:48.020" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11418" PostId="4288" Score="0" Text="As such, I think your question would be better received if you focus only on the &quot;large font&quot; part. As it stands now, you have bundled bolding and large font into one, which may be why people are reacting to it this way." CreationDate="2017-02-04T01:06:38.233" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11490" PostId="4288" Score="1" Text="Please note that their &quot;over exaggerated formatting&quot; is provided by the site. The poster decided neither the font nor size, he simply picked the &quot;header&quot; formatting option, because he thinks it's a header for his post. If you don't like the way SE formats headers, I don't think that you're addressing the right person." CreationDate="2017-02-08T14:27:14.003" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="11435" PostId="4289" Score="1" Text="I agree with this for edit suggestions, but disagree for edits of users with 2k rep. Just making the first line of text smaller isn't worth the time of suggested edit reviewers, but a 2k rep user should have no such reservations about making the post less of an eyesore." CreationDate="2017-02-06T15:25:36.690" UserId="9758" />
  <row Id="11436" PostId="4289" Score="0" Text="@Brian who determines if it's an eyesore?" CreationDate="2017-02-06T15:29:12.553" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11437" PostId="4289" Score="0" Text="If you format your post in a way that doesn't match the formatting of anyone else's posts on he site, it's probably an eyesore. Realistically, any editor can decide that and make the edit. If that edit is harmful to the post, it can always be undone, but an edit to bring formatting in line with the rest of the site is very unlikely to be harmful." CreationDate="2017-02-06T15:43:18.113" UserId="9758" />
  <row Id="11438" PostId="4289" Score="0" Text="@Brian I fail to see how any formatting, other than &quot;Wall of text&quot; or the infamous &quot;ALL CAPS RUN TOGETHER WITHOUT PUNCTUATION&quot; can be of any serious harm." CreationDate="2017-02-06T16:18:48.390" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11439" PostId="4289" Score="2" Text="I don't think anyone is claiming &quot;serious harm&quot;, and I don't see what's wrong with wanting consistent formatting." CreationDate="2017-02-06T16:20:34.077" UserId="9758" />
  <row Id="11440" PostId="4289" Score="0" Text="@Brian, it's a waste of time, for the most part, and the OP is RARELY going to be in favor of it, IMO" CreationDate="2017-02-06T16:27:09.783" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11409" PostId="4290" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the constructive response +1." CreationDate="2017-02-03T21:27:08.840" UserId="32285" />
  <row Id="11416" PostId="4290" Score="3" Text="There is a difference between a &quot;one line summary in bold&quot; and &quot;one line summary in bold *and large font*&quot;. The large font is largely unnecessary. I have written a fair number of answers here, and not once have I found the need for the large font." CreationDate="2017-02-04T00:59:51.487" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11491" PostId="4290" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan The large font is decided by the site. The writer only decided he wanted a header. Saying he could make his header smaller because it fits your style better is disregarding all the people who need a screenreader and will *not* be presented with a header if you only make it bold." CreationDate="2017-02-08T14:30:27.503" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="11492" PostId="4290" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt I know this strays from the topic a bit, but how are headers handled differently by screen readers? Asking out of pure inexperience here." CreationDate="2017-02-08T14:40:16.177" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11493" PostId="4290" Score="0" Text="@DavidK I don't have much experience either, but a header is different from a bold text. It's a different formatting element. If one does not like how SE makes headers look on screen, removing the header formatting and making it bold instead is removing meta-information. Unlike say... changing the color. The person did not pick a random font size because it suited him, he picked the header format. And it should stay a header then." CreationDate="2017-02-08T14:43:50.407" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="11494" PostId="4290" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt Use h3 instead of h1, what is the big deal?" CreationDate="2017-02-08T14:51:54.000" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11495" PostId="4290" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan The basically you say the OP should lie about the format of his post, so it looks better to you, because you don't like the SE stylesheet? Because his header *is* an **h1** (most important heading), not an **h3**." CreationDate="2017-02-08T15:06:25.933" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="11496" PostId="4290" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt Why would you put a one-line summary as a heading in the first place? I am not so sure you understand what a header means. A header is not a summary, not is it used to emphasize a point. Anyway, disregarding people who use screen readers is a problem, but disregarding people for whom large fonts make it difficult to focus on rest of the answer is somehow okay?" CreationDate="2017-02-08T15:29:15.957" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11497" PostId="4290" Score="0" Text="The issue is not whether you like the stylesheet or not. We all do workarounds to get around the SE limitations. For example, how do I put an inline spoiler (as against the SE spoiler markup which puts the spoiler text on a separate line)? How do I insert an inline audio clip into my answer? Since I cannot do any of that (and much more), does that mean I am also &quot;lying&quot; about my format if I use workarounds? So what is the big deal if you use h3 instead of h1, and is that such a big deal that you have to call it &quot;lying&quot;? That is going way over the top. Anyway, I am done here, do what you want." CreationDate="2017-02-08T15:35:27.873" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11498" PostId="4290" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan How would you feel if I edited out your inline clip or your spoiler in your post because &quot;I don't like how it looks, I feel the font is too large&quot;? All I'm saying is that the author wanted a heading, a perfectly normal text-formatting feature. Who are we to decide that's inappropriate and he should use something else?" CreationDate="2017-02-08T15:39:09.400" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="11499" PostId="4290" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt Where have I said that I want to edit out the formatting that I don't like? I just said that a good answer can be written without it. If the OP wants to write an answer with font size of 240px, he is free to do so, just as I am free to say that it is not necessary and I don't like it. Don't put words in my mouth." CreationDate="2017-02-08T16:58:53.167" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11420" PostId="4292" Score="2" Text="I haven't done it here, but on another system with a very different (and more conversational) culture I occasionally took a polarized stand deliberately to kick-start debate -- folks tend to put more effort into disagreeing than agreeing. So I agree that there is sometimes value in the blunt &quot;I'm sorry, but you really are wrong.&quot; As long as it doesn't extend into name-calling, it's a legitimate mode of writing and is sometimes exactly what the OP needs to hear, even (especially) if it isn't what they want to hear." CreationDate="2017-02-05T03:50:10.073" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11421" PostId="4292" Score="2" Text="And, yeah, if it's over the top flag it -- or flag the answer or question with a comment to the moderators explaining your concern. A system such as this one needs peer review as well as formal moderation." CreationDate="2017-02-05T03:52:34.650" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11472" PostId="4292" Score="1" Text="I get what you're trying to say here, but even measured rudeness is in direct  disregard of the Be Nice policy. &quot;Rudeness and belittling language are not okay. &quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-07T22:06:37.803" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11514" PostId="4292" Score="1" Text="@DoritoStyle But it's also not a clear black &amp; white line as to what is, and isn't, rude. Different people, cultures, contexts etc. have very different ideas about what is rude and what isn't." CreationDate="2017-02-10T09:07:07.753" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="11515" PostId="4292" Score="1" Text="@kaz that really doesn't change anything" CreationDate="2017-02-10T13:33:35.703" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11516" PostId="4292" Score="1" Text="I'm trying to make the point that whilst people being deliberately rude might be wrong, how do you handle a case where the OP might not think they're rude, but the person reading their post does? It's not exactly a simple problem to solve." CreationDate="2017-02-10T13:46:47.463" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="11433" PostId="4293" Score="0" Text="No. There are no hard and fast rules here. Everything is contextual. Just use your best judgement." CreationDate="2017-02-06T13:43:13.110" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11434" PostId="4293" Score="4" Text="I sometimes upvote well-asked duplicates." CreationDate="2017-02-06T14:09:31.067" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11442" PostId="4293" Score="2" Text="Have you checked main meta? [&quot;When is it justifiable to downvote a question?&quot;](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252677) is the Holy Grail of downvote posts while [this](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/251735) and [this](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/284566) thread cover the interaction between a DV and a CV." CreationDate="2017-02-06T19:58:13.193" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11444" PostId="4293" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal yes, but my mind couldn't wrap itself around the gestalt." CreationDate="2017-02-06T20:47:37.347" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11451" PostId="4293" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Why was my question edited/closed/downvoted?](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/1826/why-was-my-question-edited-closed-downvoted)" CreationDate="2017-02-07T15:50:59.367" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11453" PostId="4293" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings That question doesn't answer mine at all." CreationDate="2017-02-07T16:00:03.400" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11454" PostId="4293" Score="0" Text="Then it should be updated to include what ever question you have that is not covered there.  That is the canonical question covering this topic." CreationDate="2017-02-07T16:14:14.460" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11455" PostId="4293" Score="3" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Those questions are completely different. Richard is asking &quot;how should we moderate?&quot; The question you link is asking &quot;why was I moderated?&quot; Additionally, the linked question says nothing about the differences between using downvotes and close votes." CreationDate="2017-02-07T16:14:58.163" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11456" PostId="4293" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings How about the entire question not being covered there?  I am not asking about why anything was closed, I am asking about what action, or combination of actions should be used.  and why so rude?" CreationDate="2017-02-07T16:36:14.040" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11457" PostId="4293" Score="2" Text="One of my personal rules is if a question starts with &quot;So&quot; or &quot;OK so&quot;, then I downvote it without reading the rest." CreationDate="2017-02-07T16:37:18.003" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11458" PostId="4293" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan yeah, those openings get my attention too" CreationDate="2017-02-07T16:45:35.760" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12105" PostId="4294" Score="1" Text="This was a huge help to me.  I take my right to review seriously and want to do right by the community." CreationDate="2017-03-24T14:31:55.250" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11443" PostId="4296" Score="1" Text="Check the nomination page: &quot;*After 7 days, the top 30 nominees, ordered by reputation, advance to the primary phase. **However, if there are 10 or fewer candidates, we skip directly to the election phase**.*&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-06T20:38:27.810" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11452" PostId="4298" Score="0" Text="You know SE has a memory leak in FF.  FF is the worst browser to use with SE." CreationDate="2017-02-07T15:53:07.253" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="11460" PostId="4298" Score="0" Text="@blankip I didn't know that. FF has enough market share that you would think a company that built its business around performance would plug a memory leak. Besides I don't think a memory leak would affect the layout." CreationDate="2017-02-07T17:20:45.987" UserId="43977" />
  <row Id="11461" PostId="4298" Score="0" Text="It doesn't effect layout but if you leave a tab active it will chew up your memory." CreationDate="2017-02-07T17:39:22.997" UserId="16609" />
  <row Id="11462" PostId="4299" Score="0" Text="which came first?" CreationDate="2017-02-07T18:56:43.183" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11463" PostId="4299" Score="1" Text="@RichardU I don't know the time their vote was cast.  I don't get why it would matter." CreationDate="2017-02-07T18:59:44.833" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11464" PostId="4299" Score="0" Text="Just wondering, as if if the person answered first, and THEN voted, they may have just rethought the subject, but if someone VTC and THEN goes on to answer, that's just strange.  That's why I asked." CreationDate="2017-02-07T19:04:53.953" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11465" PostId="4299" Score="0" Text="see also [Closing Etiquette: Why Do Some Answer *and* Close?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/4283/165773) at MSE and over 20 questions linked to it" CreationDate="2017-02-07T20:59:03.257" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11479" PostId="4299" Score="0" Text="I've sometimes answered a question only to later find out it's a duplicate.  In that case I'll vote to close and, under some circumstances, suggest merging." CreationDate="2017-02-07T23:10:36.390" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11482" PostId="4299" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio How does that relate to close and VTC as &quot;require a goal we can address&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-07T23:31:15.560" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11483" PostId="4299" Score="0" Text="@Paparazzi I was responding to &quot;Is it proper to both VTC and answer.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-07T23:34:28.297" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15183" PostId="4300" Score="0" Text="Is it improper for you, or improper for anyone?  Is this something you feel should be enforced on other people?  For me I agree it is improper, to vote off topic, or narq, and then post an answer.  But it is one vote and there is a good chance many times the question will stay open, so posting an answer is not that big of a faux-pas" CreationDate="2018-05-01T09:27:18.847" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11468" PostId="4301" Score="0" Text="You can *help* with a comment.   Answer and not answerable are inconsistent." CreationDate="2017-02-07T21:54:08.257" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11473" PostId="4301" Score="0" Text="Not all VTC reasons are &quot;cannot be answered&quot; though. Some are just &quot;Does not belong here&quot;; they still have answers." CreationDate="2017-02-07T22:11:49.210" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="11474" PostId="4301" Score="0" Text="Please refer to the stated question" CreationDate="2017-02-07T22:12:58.320" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11475" PostId="4301" Score="1" Text="If this is very specifically about the &quot;requires a goal&quot;, I think that should receive some more focus. I thought this was about vtc in general." CreationDate="2017-02-07T22:13:59.997" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="11476" PostId="4301" Score="0" Text="And I am OK with your answer - in general.  Just clarifying." CreationDate="2017-02-07T22:14:59.033" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11467" PostId="4304" Score="0" Text="Not intended as  argue but advice and move on is probably better done with a comment.   I did not vote you down." CreationDate="2017-02-07T21:47:14.603" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11477" PostId="4304" Score="0" Text="@Paparazzi no worries." CreationDate="2017-02-07T22:19:26.823" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11484" PostId="4304" Score="0" Text="If we had the ability to cancel/change our votes this conflict would happen less. Also remember that votes may be based on earlier forms of a question." CreationDate="2017-02-08T01:14:27.260" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11486" PostId="4304" Score="2" Text="@Paparazzi I would still prefer advice to be posted as an answer so that bad advice can be downvoted. That is not possible with comments." CreationDate="2017-02-08T06:27:46.147" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11510" PostId="4304" Score="0" Text="@keshlam you can undo close votes now and anytime a post is edited, it allows you to change your up/downvote on it." CreationDate="2017-02-10T01:38:10.053" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11511" PostId="4304" Score="0" Text="Thanks,;  I'll have to figure out how to do that" CreationDate="2017-02-10T03:02:41.867" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11512" PostId="4304" Score="0" Text="@keshlam I think you just try closing again and it shows a &quot;Retract close vote?&quot; option." CreationDate="2017-02-10T03:17:42.580" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11480" PostId="4306" Score="1" Text="&quot;Hidden&quot; isn't the same thing as not being there. &quot;Comment upvotes are there to allow the rare useful comment to rise above the flood&quot; - so then comment downvotes would allow the poor comments to sink quickly. The whole &quot;comment voting&quot; thing seems odd if comments are meant to be temporary and solely for eliciting clarification and thus getting better questions/answers. Maybe I'm just not in tune with the whole gamification ethos." CreationDate="2017-02-07T23:28:04.287" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11481" PostId="4306" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure I see the meaningful distinction. Most sites which allow downvoted comments eventually just hide them anyway." CreationDate="2017-02-07T23:30:37.093" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11517" PostId="4309" Score="1" Text="I certainly appreciate the OP's efforts. However, as it currently stands, the question is not suited to SE. Sorry to be blunt, but OP is essentially asking how to do his job based on how others do a similar job." CreationDate="2017-02-10T16:28:06.867" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11520" PostId="4309" Score="4" Text="It's too broad right now, but breaking it down into subtasks might help.  What are his specific goals?  Is he looking for ways to get busy people to spend X hours a week being mentors?  Is he trying to optimize matchmaking?  Is he trying to identify important topics that mentors should explicitly try to teach?  Is he trying to figure out how to make mentoring a regular part of daily activities?  Questions like those would be better fits." CreationDate="2017-02-10T18:41:21.410" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11521" PostId="4309" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I definitely agree with you, though I don't think the OP is understanding that distinction. I don't think it's ready to reopen yet, but somehow there are three votes already." CreationDate="2017-02-10T18:51:19.533" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11523" PostId="4309" Score="1" Text="&quot;What makes a....&quot; would be an improvement, though still too broad." CreationDate="2017-02-10T21:20:34.633" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11528" PostId="4310" Score="5" Text="If the question were edited down to &quot;I behaved badly while playing a game at work. Now my colleagues don't like me. What would be the best way to repair my work relations with my colleagues after such incident?&quot; - then I'd vote to reopen. Otherwise, it's just a gamer rant and would be better suited for a gamer-specific forum, IMHO. (If the word &quot;colleagues&quot; were changed to &quot;friends&quot; there would be pretty much nothing work-specific left.)" CreationDate="2017-02-12T23:26:41.200" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11529" PostId="4310" Score="0" Text="BTW, can Moderators single-handedly reopen questions?" CreationDate="2017-02-12T23:29:49.123" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11530" PostId="4310" Score="19" Text="@JoeStrazzere I think the fact that it's coworkers -- people the OP *has* to continue to interact with -- is important.  Mods can single-handedly reopen, but I'd rather see some community support." CreationDate="2017-02-12T23:37:37.173" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11533" PostId="4310" Score="8" Text="I agree that the close reason is nonsensical. There is a clearly described, generalisable situation with a well-defined goal: repairing the relationship after disrupting an after-hours activity. **I've voted to reopen.** (Disclaimer: I currently have the top-voted answer on the question, though the reason I want this reopened is mostly to start a bounty for an existing answer that's under-appreciated.)" CreationDate="2017-02-13T06:48:18.473" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11536" PostId="4310" Score="4" Text="Please edit the question to remove the rants, then reopen it. Calling a close reason nonsensical after it has been clearly explained, simply because you don't agree with it is highly unacceptable. Also the quality of answers doesn't decide whether a question is accepted or not." CreationDate="2017-02-13T11:02:19.610" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11537" PostId="4310" Score="11" Text="@MaskedMan no edit is required in my and Lilienthal's opinions, at least.  Calling objections to a close unacceptable when they have been clearly explained, simply because you don't agree with them, is not constructive.  SE has both reopen votes and meta *because* people can disagree about closures." CreationDate="2017-02-13T13:42:46.300" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11539" PostId="4310" Score="4" Text="@Lilienthal it had four reopen votes, so I just cast the fifth one." CreationDate="2017-02-13T13:54:55.933" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11540" PostId="4310" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio - &quot;I think the fact that it's coworkers -- people the OP has to continue to interact with -- is important.&quot; I disagree. And I don't see anything about work in the top-voted answer. I think this would be better-handled in the RPG forum." CreationDate="2017-02-13T14:00:05.570" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11541" PostId="4310" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio My objection is not to questioning the close votes, but to the use of the word &quot;nonsensical&quot;. I have clearly stated that in my previous comment. How come you don't find &quot;nonsensical&quot; unconstructive? I would have expected a diamond moderator to do better than twisting my words." CreationDate="2017-02-13T14:28:01.527" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11542" PostId="4310" Score="4" Text="You opened a meta post to discuss whether the close vote was justified, I respectfully replied explaining my reasoning, Lilienthal raised her objections to my answer as a comment, and I respectfully replied to that. She found the need to call the close reason &quot;nonsensical&quot; *after* reading my answer. In the entire discussion, I have never once attacked either of you for raising objections or disagreeing with me, but what you find &quot;unconstructive&quot; is me pointing out that &quot;nonsensical&quot; is unacceptable, and to justify it, you say that I have called the objection unacceptable!" CreationDate="2017-02-13T14:35:35.943" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11555" PostId="4310" Score="5" Text="@MaskedMan If you're taking issue with my wording, I used &quot;nonsensical&quot; because I happened to agree with Monica's comment on the question which said &quot;*I don't think that close reason makes **sense**&quot;*. I (ab)used the term with its mildest and most literal meaning. The specific argument against that close reason that Monica and I presumably shared is that it didn't match the question which in my view is clearly defined. While an incorrect close reason doesn't justify reopening a question that should have been closed under another, perhaps custom, reason, I don't think that's the issue here." CreationDate="2017-02-13T16:52:08.493" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11560" PostId="4310" Score="0" Text="Ok, no problem with that if that is what you meant. It would help if you could choose wordings which are less likely to be misunderstood. Nonsensical also has [another closely related meaning](http://www.dictionary.com/browse/nonsensical). There is also a difference between &quot;I do not understand why 5 people have done X&quot; and &quot;5 people doing X makes no sense&quot;." CreationDate="2017-02-13T17:50:03.213" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11567" PostId="4310" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere My two cents, FWIW: If heavily rephrased, this question would fit well on RPG, where it would already have several answers and likely be closed as a duplicate. However the unique thing about this question is that it's from the perspective of someone who doesn't know the RPG culture well enough to *understand* this is an RPG.SE question. Not only did the proposed close reason not mention moving it to RPG.SE, but in the spirit of SE being a great QA site it would be excellent to leave it here for future visitors who would be similarly confused." CreationDate="2017-02-15T00:46:37.723" UserId="19336" />
  <row Id="11587" PostId="4310" Score="1" Text="My additional two cents, calling something &quot;non-sensical&quot; is very likely to be seen as insulting." CreationDate="2017-02-15T22:35:41.060" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11592" PostId="4310" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere  *I think this would be better-handled in the RPG forum --* Respectfully disagree.  (PS RPG.SE is not a forum. :-)   This is a workplace interpersonal relationship issue that deals with the overlap between work and leisure time activities." CreationDate="2017-02-16T03:03:15.437" UserId="64595" />
  <row Id="12411" PostId="4310" Score="0" Text="I guess this question was closed because asker decided that they are [not a developer anymore but a (non-drinking?) bartender](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/90882/168): &quot;I'm a 23 year old bartender, and I don't drink alcohol. From 18 to 22 I worked in my father's pub, where I served classic beers, shots, and cocktails. Last year I decided to try my own career...&quot; With regards to non-drinking, they probably [haven't yet made their mind really](https://alcohol.stackexchange.com/q/6618): &quot;Recently I tried a custom cocktail from my barman with wasabi, vodka and some sambuco syrup...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-05-14T22:25:30.520" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12412" PostId="4310" Score="1" Text="@gnat &quot;Anon&quot; isn't exactly a unique name.  The RPG Anon and the non-drinking Anon don't appear to be the same.  (Though the person who asked the non-drinking question here did ask that question on [Alcohol.SE].)" CreationDate="2017-05-15T00:08:01.453" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12417" PostId="4310" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio TWP and Beer-wine accounts are linked: https://stackexchange.com/users/8341728/anon?tab=accounts (name doesn't matter here)" CreationDate="2017-05-15T04:46:00.863" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12418" PostId="4310" Score="1" Text="...as for RPG guy I re-checked and you are right, it's a different (unregistered) account. Our &quot;bartender&quot; only happens to have same screen name, asked a [duplicate question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/85609/168) and works as developer (they [deleted some data recently](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/85609/168) when started working on their new project). Other than that I can't see anything in common between them" CreationDate="2017-05-15T06:56:18.300" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11532" PostId="4312" Score="14" Text="This happens very often and the usual response is to answer the real, sometimes hidden question which the OP may not have even considered. This should be an educational moment for the OP. He wants to repair the relationship and that starts with recognising that he's wrong. The fact that he was in the wrong and why is what all of the answers touch upon. [Peter's answer](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/84746/84833#84833) summarised it well as coming to down to having offended his coworkers and making OP realise that is why answers don't always have to be exactly what the OP wanted." CreationDate="2017-02-13T06:46:11.590" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11535" PostId="4312" Score="2" Text="While that is certainly true, we cannot vote on questions based on the answers. OP's goal here is not &quot;how do I mend my relationship?&quot;, but rather &quot;how do I mend my relationship *without letting go of my belief that I did nothing wrong*?&quot;. That is not a goal *we* can address without telling him to let go of his belief. We can offer him advice, we can change the question, but we cannot accept that question as it stands." CreationDate="2017-02-13T08:06:55.013" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11538" PostId="4312" Score="7" Text="And yet you answered the question about [soiled pants](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/84420/325), even though you thought it violated &quot;Questions require a goal that we can address&quot;.  Questions rooted in situations where the OP is doing something wrong, including ones where the OP has a mistaken sense of entitlement, are not uncommon; usually we take them as they are and then tell the OP what he's doing wrong.  You voted to close based on your *assumptions* about the OP's goal, but others answered the *actual question* while still showing the OP the error of his ways." CreationDate="2017-02-13T13:53:30.040" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11543" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio What is the point you are trying to make ? Two wrongs don't make a right. I explained why I voted to close *this* question. How I responded to a previous question has no bearing on this question. Also, I am not a machine, I am a human being. You cannot expect human behaviour to be perfectly consistent. By the way, has it ever occured to you that I may have *learned* from my previous mistake on that question and responded differently this time?" CreationDate="2017-02-13T14:40:36.270" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11544" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Yes, and you too voted to reopen the question and disagreed with my close vote based on your *assumption* about the OP's goal. How else do you want me to vote, if not based on what I understood from the question? Sorry to put it this way, but that is how the StackExchange reputation and privilege system works. I have earned the reputation to close, if you have reason to believe that I am not using it correctly, then well, sorry about that, but you will have to fix the StackExchange system. :)" CreationDate="2017-02-13T14:49:54.587" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11545" PostId="4312" Score="6" Text="@MaskedMan I voted based on *the content of the question*.  You said you voted based on what you thought the OP's intentions were.  Regarding learning from past experiences, great to hear!" CreationDate="2017-02-13T15:28:49.510" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11550" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Unfortunately, the close reason *requires* me to vote based on the OP's intention. &quot;Questions require a *goal* we can address&quot; leads to &quot;what is your goal?&quot;, or in other words, &quot;what do you intend to achieve?&quot;. We already changed the close reason from &quot;Real questions have answers&quot;, perhaps we should consider changing it again?" CreationDate="2017-02-13T16:35:02.513" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11551" PostId="4312" Score="9" Text="The goal was stated in the question.  If we can't tell what the goal is from the question then we should of course put it on hold awaiting clarification, but when a goal is stated we should accept that it is in fact the OP's goal and proceed from there." CreationDate="2017-02-13T16:36:50.840" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11553" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="The problem with that though, is when the stated goal doesn't match the rest of the post, it leads to confusion, and it is best to put it on hold till that is clarified. Otherwise we have a situation where some people post answers to the question stated in bold, while others answer the implicit question that is inferred from the entire post. It becomes difficult to edit the question without invalidating existing answers. contd ..." CreationDate="2017-02-13T16:41:56.527" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11554" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="In case of this question, for example, if the OP comes back with a &quot;clarification&quot; that he wants to mend his relationship with his colleagues *without apologizing because he hasn't done anything seriously wrong* (as is strongly implied from his post), then all the &quot;great&quot; answers become invalid, and hence the close vote." CreationDate="2017-02-13T16:43:55.150" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11557" PostId="4312" Score="2" Text="If the OP (or anybody else) were to make an edit that invalidates answers, that edit would be rolled back." CreationDate="2017-02-13T17:09:27.050" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11559" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="Let us [continue this discussion in chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/53566/discussion-between-masked-man-and-monica-cellio)." CreationDate="2017-02-13T17:28:29.787" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11588" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="&quot; I expected things to be normal&quot; isn't that misunderstanding and how to fix it a valid question?" CreationDate="2017-02-15T22:43:08.627" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11591" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="@DoritoStyle Yes it is." CreationDate="2017-02-16T03:00:52.280" UserId="64595" />
  <row Id="11594" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="I have offered a +1 to this answer for two reasons: you explain why, and you may be right in your assessment.  I still believe that the question is answerable, if one goes to the bottom of the question (as asked) and notes that, with all of the foreplay, the question is *how to restore the in office relationships.*  (If this whole thing was a troll, it was bloody well done!)" CreationDate="2017-02-16T16:51:36.353" UserId="64595" />
  <row Id="11595" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@KorvinStarmast Not a troll, I still stand firmly by my belief that OP's intended question was A, even though he posted B in bold. It is well-known as the XY Problem around here. People should read the whole description to infer the question, not just the statement written in bold. The worst thing (ok, it is not really that bad) that can happen is the OP looks at the answers and ragequits from the site in disgust saying, &quot;Oh, I am so sorry for not being able to describe my problem clearly. This is not what I wanted to know at all.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-16T17:12:26.080" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11596" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I did read it, more than once, and I understand why you arrived at the conclusion that you did.  My key problem was the set up to the question about &quot;I am right they are wrong&quot; which is an understandable reaction to a fresh case of ostracism by anyone (justified or not).  I believe that if the person wants an answer for &quot;what do I do now?&quot;  a &quot;how to heal a damaged relationship 101&quot; approach may get across when other (emotional) responses might not.  There are two good answers already; a cookbook/checklist approach is easier to digest. We are talking to a software developer, right?" CreationDate="2017-02-16T17:15:18.390" UserId="64595" />
  <row Id="11597" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="Just to be clear on this, by &quot;people&quot; I didn't mean you, but certain people who attacked me simply because they disagreed with me. Disagreement is ok, making personal attacks over disagreement is not ok." CreationDate="2017-02-16T17:28:01.770" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11598" PostId="4312" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan It's all good. *We can disagree without being disagreeable* is a famous saying from someone, I think.  8^D" CreationDate="2017-02-16T17:38:17.837" UserId="64595" />
  <row Id="11599" PostId="4312" Score="4" Text="*OP is reluctant to admit his mistake and looking for the best way to issue a non-apology apology.* I think you are completely wrong here... The OP is looking for a way to convince the others that they are completely wrong and need to apologise to him" CreationDate="2017-02-16T19:52:59.247" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11606" PostId="4312" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Sounds about right. Now the OP's got data that they failed to convince a large number of internet users of their viewpoint as well and that they need to either change their own view or somehow improve their persuasion skills. Or maybe go find that Diplomacy +10 ring ;-)" CreationDate="2017-02-17T17:02:04.830" UserId="57567" />
  <row Id="11607" PostId="4312" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkAndIKnowThings Fantastic, that's nicely summed up! You conveyed my *real* thoughts exactly. I kept looking for a phrasing to say that without running foul of the so-called Be Nice policy, but couldn't and kept beating round the bush. Apparently a moderator putting words in my mouth, bringing up unrelated past close votes, and completely refusing to consider my viewpoint (&quot;no edit is necessary in my opinion&quot;) after explicitly asking for community opinion is well within the Be Nice policy." CreationDate="2017-02-17T17:09:13.523" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11558" PostId="4313" Score="9" Text="+1 This is a perfectly answerable question.  The bar isn't &quot;is there no trace of subjective butthurt anywhere in the question,&quot; the bar is &quot;is there a clear answerable question&quot;, and there is." CreationDate="2017-02-13T17:24:09.080" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="11561" PostId="4313" Score="1" Text="Except that the &quot;trace of butthurt&quot; is a key ingredient of the question, and with that removed, it becomes a *different* question. Now if you are questioning why a question was close-voted based on a &quot;what if it were some other question&quot;, then I have nothing more to add." CreationDate="2017-02-13T17:53:15.190" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11546" PostId="4314" Score="0" Text="What prompted this question? Was someone criticizing you for being rude?" CreationDate="2017-02-13T16:19:16.587" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11547" PostId="4314" Score="15" Text="Saying &quot;Yes, I think that action was unprofessional. {and here is why...}&quot; when specifically asked is perfectly appropriate. &quot;Truth vs Sparing Feelings&quot; isn't a binary choice. You can do both at the same time if you try." CreationDate="2017-02-13T16:29:42.563" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11548" PostId="4314" Score="2" Text="@DavidK A number of comments about the OP in the RPG question said that the people answering shouldn't make the OP feel bad.  The answers were blunt, but IMO not rude or intended to make the OP look bad." CreationDate="2017-02-13T16:34:38.337" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11562" PostId="4314" Score="1" Text="Telling the truth often runs foul of the &quot;Be Nice&quot; policy. It is &quot;not nice&quot; to tell people the truth." CreationDate="2017-02-13T18:14:39.247" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11589" PostId="4314" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure I see a good reason for &quot;I don't think we should walk on eggshells&quot;, so I ask, why not? Is that an un-due burden on the answerer?" CreationDate="2017-02-15T22:53:02.797" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11600" PostId="4314" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan Calling someone's behavior unprofessional doesn't run afoul of the &quot;Be Nice&quot; policy.  Being belittling or hostile does.  Some people are able to do the first without doing the second however that's a big hurdle for others." CreationDate="2017-02-16T20:55:35.883" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="11601" PostId="4314" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan For the record I think you do a good job riding this line when standing up for Indian employment practices." CreationDate="2017-02-16T20:58:01.030" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="11602" PostId="4314" Score="0" Text="@Myles I am sorry I don't understand that expression &quot;riding this line&quot;. (I am sure the definition I found on Urban Dictionary is not what you had in mind.) Do you mean I am hostile or rude? (I plan to contest the next moderator election, and want to improve upon all problematic behaviours by then, so your feedback would certainly help.)" CreationDate="2017-02-17T03:37:33.363" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11603" PostId="4314" Score="0" Text="Also I don't &quot;stand up&quot; for Indian work practices per se, but just try to explain why things are the way they are. Too often people from a different background criticize a solution because things work differently at their place, without realizing that the underlying problem is also different. I just try to make people realize that it is unfair to criticize a solution without understanding the problem it was trying to solve. There are several problems with Indian work practices, but painting the whole country with a broad brush doesn't help, that is usually my point." CreationDate="2017-02-17T03:40:06.803" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11605" PostId="4314" Score="1" Text="That was nothing compared to this question.  http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/85145/working-with-men-women-in-tech/85152#85152  OP was questioned for her choice of not wanting to go to lunch with the guys." CreationDate="2017-02-17T16:01:32.757" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11626" PostId="4314" Score="2" Text="@MaskedMan &quot;Riding the line/riding this line&quot; means holding a position between two undesirable states/attitudes.  In this context I mean you could say nothing and let the prejudices go unchallenged or you could strongly challenge these prejudices to the point of rudeness but you ride the line (or sit at a point in between).  With respect to the &quot;Be Nice&quot; policy you call out ignorant statements without being hostile or belittling." CreationDate="2017-02-21T14:18:45.210" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="11627" PostId="4314" Score="2" Text="@Myles Thanks for explaining that, and for the feedback. Glad to hear that. :)" CreationDate="2017-02-21T14:20:39.117" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11628" PostId="4314" Score="0" Text="@Paparazzi The OP in that question made it about gender, which is a lightning rod for criticism.  could you imagine the fury that would have erupted about a man not wanting to do lunch with women." CreationDate="2017-02-21T14:32:18.503" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11672" PostId="4314" Score="1" Text="&quot;How careful do we need to be to avoid making a poster feel bad when a querent is asking about their own bad behavior?&quot; - In my opinion in the case of the RPG question the best way forward *requires* the OP to feel bad (about their behaviour) so that they are motivated to honestly apologise and say they won't do that again. The trick is not avoiding them feeling bad, the trick is avoiding them not listening to advice because it contains insults." CreationDate="2017-02-25T12:15:43.010" UserId="57567" />
  <row Id="11552" PostId="4315" Score="2" Text="Good points.  I think it's important to allow a person to save face.  For questions such as the RPG one, I didn't even answer because there was no way I could think of that wouldn't be seen as rude.  I'll take your advice to address everything except the person, to heart." CreationDate="2017-02-13T16:38:09.043" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11556" PostId="4315" Score="2" Text="@RichardU I think that advice can be applied universally in most cases. Nobody liked to feel like they're being attacked personally. Even as a parent, I try to correct based on what they've done. &quot;You're grounded because you got an F&quot; vs &quot;You're grounded because you failed.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-13T17:03:12.703" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11566" PostId="4315" Score="0" Text="+1 Awesome answer, especially for the second paragraph!" CreationDate="2017-02-14T17:47:01.000" UserId="59854" />
  <row Id="11617" PostId="4315" Score="3" Text="*A lot of it is word choice* Especially **you did** instead of **you are**." CreationDate="2017-02-20T15:07:12.190" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="11618" PostId="4315" Score="0" Text="And remember that you telling them the truth is exactly what they need to answer their question. If I ask a question that is strongly based on my own behaviour, then this is part of the picture and I must be ready to be criticised... for my own good." CreationDate="2017-02-20T15:57:06.573" UserId="59830" />
  <row Id="11673" PostId="4315" Score="0" Text="Furthermore adressing the actions instead of the person is more constructive. And in the professional world where the general advise is to not taking things personnally, addressing the actions instead of the persons fits perfectly." CreationDate="2017-02-27T09:35:04.380" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="11577" PostId="4317" Score="0" Text="Has this in some way influenced the visited links on the start page (not links in text, links in the listing of current questions)? Because these are now at least for me so bright they have way too little contrast to the white background." CreationDate="2017-02-15T15:59:42.483" UserId="59830" />
  <row Id="11580" PostId="4317" Score="0" Text="@skymningen Yes this was applied to all links." CreationDate="2017-02-15T18:37:06.263" UserId="64476" />
  <row Id="11616" PostId="4317" Score="1" Text="**I have a follow-up issue with this**. The *visited* links now have a lighter (brighter) color than the ones not-yet-visited. This is counter to most websites, where the brighter link is not yet visited. After all, this one (still) deserves calling for attention. I suggest reversing the two colors." CreationDate="2017-02-20T13:49:35.877" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="11639" PostId="4317" Score="0" Text="@JanDoggen Hmm, I see your point. I've adjusted the design (updated screenshot in the original answer. I made non-`:visited` links a little darker and more saturated, and made `:visited` less bright. I realize you suggested swapping the colors, but I didn't want to get too far away from the original design and there's not a lot of leeway between the link's blue and the body text. I tried to address the accessibility concern here without changing the site's existing color scheme too much." CreationDate="2017-02-21T22:01:25.340" UserId="64476" />
  <row Id="11565" PostId="4319" Score="0" Text="Voted to reopen, there certainly seems to be an addressable goal here, even if it is a bit lost in the lengthy paragraph of complaints about Jack's behaviour." CreationDate="2017-02-14T06:27:44.840" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11564" PostId="4320" Score="2" Text="Usually your answers are great. But I hope &quot;I can do whatever I want as whimsy takes me. And it's the moderators role to keep things within bounds, not mine.&quot; doesn't become the norm here." CreationDate="2017-02-14T01:30:58.250" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11568" PostId="4320" Score="0" Text="Yep, me too, I just tend to get cheeky in meta, and serious in the main board...." CreationDate="2017-02-15T01:46:12.860" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11590" PostId="4322" Score="0" Text="Still, there a *huge* difference in saying &quot;You made a serious mistake&quot; and &quot;You should have known better. You did a bad thing&quot;." CreationDate="2017-02-15T22:57:20.780" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11622" PostId="4322" Score="1" Text="The second version is rude, without being any more convincing, so it's pointlessly rude. &quot;You made a serious mistake&quot; vs. &quot;I've never seen anyone messing up things so badly&quot; - the second is rude, but it also makes clear that this is a lot worse than just a serious mistake." CreationDate="2017-02-20T22:55:57.237" UserId="16101" />
  <row Id="11572" PostId="4323" Score="8" Text="I'm tempted to vote to close this because I don't see an answerable question here." CreationDate="2017-02-15T07:22:46.010" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11573" PostId="4323" Score="0" Text="the results summary link has HTTPS problems of some sort." CreationDate="2017-02-15T12:05:36.190" UserId="345" />
  <row Id="11576" PostId="4323" Score="2" Text="Thank you for the kind words everyone! And of course thank you to everyone who participated in this election, particularly Christopher and Rory." CreationDate="2017-02-15T13:16:15.967" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11612" PostId="4323" Score="1" Text="I know this might be posted by a bot (on behalf of the CMs), but: &quot;and the new moderator**s** *is*&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-02-18T09:11:42.047" UserId="36362" />
  <row Id="11613" PostId="4323" Score="2" Text="@muru: I have a template that's suited for multiple moderators. Looks like I didn't proofread my modifications very well this time. (And maybe I ought to just break down and save a copy of the single-moderator template. I've been hoping to get this automated.)-:" CreationDate="2017-02-18T18:33:44.137" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="11625" PostId="4323" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere thanks for the fix.  (Editing on a phone is challenging; was hoping somebody would make the fix.)" CreationDate="2017-02-21T02:53:26.287" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11569" PostId="4326" Score="6" Text="I seem to believe Lilienthal is a woman. Not sure though, he/she has never stated it explicitly." CreationDate="2017-02-15T03:38:39.620" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11570" PostId="4326" Score="1" Text="No doubt Lilienthal can clarify, if they so wish :)" CreationDate="2017-02-15T05:54:32.913" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="11574" PostId="4326" Score="6" Text="@MaskedMan I have indeed avoided specifying so far but since you ask, &quot;he&quot; is correct. :)" CreationDate="2017-02-15T13:10:00.160" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11575" PostId="4326" Score="3" Text="@Lilienthal Thanks, the question that vexed humanity has finally been resolved. :)" CreationDate="2017-02-15T13:14:06.393" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11571" PostId="4328" Score="0" Text="&quot;It's kind of implied that he's asking how he might reform the intern.&quot; No, it is not, if you go through the answers people have posted, they have inferred various different questions." CreationDate="2017-02-15T06:27:26.470" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11578" PostId="4332" Score="3" Text="I would definitely be on-board with this. There may be a suitable question out there already, though I don't have the time to dig around right now." CreationDate="2017-02-15T18:04:19.397" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11579" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="I agree.  It comes up all the time." CreationDate="2017-02-15T18:25:27.693" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11581" PostId="4332" Score="1" Text="Perhaps you could ask a question that could become canonical.  &quot;When do I know when I have the job?&quot; or a variant on that.  From my personal experience it's &quot;When you're sitting behind your desk&quot;.  I've had job offers rescinded literally the day I was supposed to start." CreationDate="2017-02-15T18:53:23.747" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11582" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="I like Richard's suggestion.  Hurdle 1: actual written offer.  Hurdle 2 (sometimes): background check.  Hurdle 3: sometimes stuff happens before your first day (so, as Richard said, when you're actually there)." CreationDate="2017-02-15T19:28:31.320" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11583" PostId="4332" Score="1" Text="There are occasional discussions on questions and on meta where topics are identified that could use a canonical question. This is indeed another such case. Most of the time no actual question ends up being posted and I think the main issue is scoping and defining the question to ensure that would-be answerers are aware that it's not a &quot;real&quot; situation and the answers should be comprehensive. Perhaps a mod-notice would be useful for them." CreationDate="2017-02-15T21:33:48.163" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11584" PostId="4332" Score="2" Text="At the risk of self-promoting, I've asked two such questions so far ([1](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/57235), [2](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/76449)) and those turned out well in my view. They *do* tend to require a bit of extra work from the OP, especially if they hit HNQ. Perhaps it's an option to scope and define a question on meta before posting it as a CW?" CreationDate="2017-02-15T21:37:10.503" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11585" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="i find myself typing the same thing over and over.  It's sad but it'd be easier just to ask something like &quot;I don't get along with my boss and I'm contemplating going to HR. Is that a good idea? Why or why not?&quot; and then just mark a bunch of dupes afterward.  :)" CreationDate="2017-02-15T21:46:13.840" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11586" PostId="4332" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherEstep the &quot;Counter offer&quot; one comes up frequently as well." CreationDate="2017-02-15T21:55:58.840" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11593" PostId="4332" Score="11" Text="If you get a counter offer, ask if the quote includes the cabinets?" CreationDate="2017-02-16T04:29:09.920" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="11604" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="Personally I'd like the question to include the likelyness the employee will get hired based on which stage he/she is in. Where it would only be 100% hired once both his and the employer's autographs are written on a contract where both you and the company has a copy. I've had a brother work for almost 2 years (despite us telling him to do otherwise) without a written contract. The employer simply left the country and never paid my brother a single coin. and without a contract, he didnt have the rights for it either, despite having worked for it." CreationDate="2017-02-17T12:35:26.753" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="11608" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="There are plenty of these already" CreationDate="2017-02-17T18:48:59.247" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11609" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/31656/verbal-job-offer-confirmation-but-actual-letter-still-pending" CreationDate="2017-02-17T18:50:56.570" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11610" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/46959/16" CreationDate="2017-02-17T18:51:24.890" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11611" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="http://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=no+offer+letter" CreationDate="2017-02-17T18:51:45.213" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11630" PostId="4332" Score="1" Text="@keshlam you clever clever soul I had to read that three times before I caught it." CreationDate="2017-02-21T17:20:31.837" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11640" PostId="4332" Score="1" Text="The premise is not even correct for all countries. A verbal offer stating a position title, a manager, a pay-grade or salary can be binding in some countries. (Proving it existed in the case of a disagreement is of course another story.) It's not all about the US or India." CreationDate="2017-02-21T22:30:30.110" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="11642" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="@smci That's interesting to know. I would like to learn more. Which countries follow that? If they cannot prove the offer, how do they enforce it?" CreationDate="2017-02-22T01:05:50.650" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11644" PostId="4332" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan: most Western European countries have higher ethical standards in business dealings than the US. I didn't say those courts would necessarily find a disputed verbal offer existed; I'm saying the companies are less likely to lie in the first place, yes even (in-house) recruiters. The reason for that is simply that word-of-mouth about bad practices gets around, also people change job less often. People have memories. To be clear I'm not saying relying on a verbal offer is generally a good idea, whoever you're dealing with. I'm saying it's less risky in some cultures." CreationDate="2017-02-22T03:46:21.683" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="11645" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="Here's one article reflecting that for England &amp; Wales: http://books.stuartherbert.com/getting-hired/job-offer.html" CreationDate="2017-02-22T03:48:46.563" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="11646" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="I am a bit confused by the link you shared, it explicitly states: &quot;until you have a written job offer, you don’t have a job&quot;, which runs contrary to the point you are making here. I am not familiar with the hiring practices in Western Europe, could you please clarify? That aside, I think as @RichardU points out above, it may be better to change the canonical question to, &quot;when do I know I have the job?&quot;, which can have several region-specific answers." CreationDate="2017-02-22T04:26:04.750" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11652" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="I'm for the idea, and I think the part that Migz brought in should be considered as part of the answer : no writting contract : no guarantes you will be paid or can sue your employer for non paid work." CreationDate="2017-02-23T09:11:48.960" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="11666" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="To be honest, I don't see how people don't know the answer because there are only two possibilities IMO:&#xA;&#xA;1) You have a formal written offer of employment that you have executed.&#xA;2) You have been on-boarded." CreationDate="2017-02-24T22:14:29.517" UserId="65051" />
  <row Id="11668" PostId="4332" Score="1" Text="@Aithos What is obvious to you is not necessarily obvious to everyone. We get this question way too often here." CreationDate="2017-02-25T01:42:30.683" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="23207" PostId="4332" Score="0" Text="@Aithos: that's often incorrect. Consider the case of a person receiving an offer in another country, then having to move, possibly obtain a visa/work permit, and possibly front the travel/relocation costs, and possibly move their family and sell a house. And before they're even allowed to enter the destination country, they may well have to prove to immigration that the job offer exists. There are lots of well-known bait-and-switch practices that can get pulled, &quot;the original position you were offered has already been filled, but we have this lower position that pays 40% worse&quot;." CreationDate="2022-02-22T08:41:22.093" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="11615" PostId="4335" Score="0" Text="Something that vague and slippery would be closed pending clarification, surely?" CreationDate="2017-02-20T10:55:03.300" UserId="362" />
  <row Id="11619" PostId="4335" Score="1" Text="What is too vague?" CreationDate="2017-02-20T17:01:37.143" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11620" PostId="4335" Score="2" Text="&quot;I did something; how can I fix it?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-20T17:05:39.493" UserId="362" />
  <row Id="11621" PostId="4335" Score="2" Text="But the something was a mean prank, we know the result, its pretty much straight down the center on topic and not to broad..." CreationDate="2017-02-20T18:33:31.340" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11614" PostId="4336" Score="2" Text="&quot;there is some subset of users who closes anything interesting-looking they come across.&quot; - Hmm. I agree that a very high percentage of questions are closed, far more than I like to see. But I don't see any evidence that the reason has anything to do with &quot;interesting-looking questions&quot;, do you?" CreationDate="2017-02-19T12:57:30.817" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11650" PostId="4337" Score="0" Text="&quot;but it is necessary.&quot; That may not be true on a case-by-case basis, so it's best not to assume." CreationDate="2017-02-22T23:26:25.423" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11651" PostId="4337" Score="0" Text="Additionally, I don't think the choice between oblivious OP and rude answers is that clearly drawn, we just need to make an effort to prevent both." CreationDate="2017-02-22T23:27:10.693" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11629" PostId="4338" Score="2" Text="You could just wait for a moderator to deal with the comments. Or, if you feel immediate action is warranted, you could leave a message here or in chat asked for a moderator to do something. I will flag a single comment that has gone out of bounds. Otherwise I just enjoy the circus until the moderators settle things down." CreationDate="2017-02-21T16:58:29.737" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11631" PostId="4338" Score="1" Text="so far all my flags pointing to issues with comments were handled by moderators the right way (including even declines when I could see upon a closer look that my flagging was not right). Was your experience different? or maybe it was different recently when a new and maybe yet inexperienced moderator joined the team?" CreationDate="2017-02-21T19:16:16.827" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11634" PostId="4338" Score="1" Text="@gnat Oi. // Joking aside, I assume Kate is asking what the 'right' approach is for such posts, whether flagging is appropriate (or just extra noise) or if there are other ways for users rather than mods to do something to control the comment tide." CreationDate="2017-02-21T20:14:54.417" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11635" PostId="4338" Score="0" Text="&quot;*comments from the author of the post are clarifying or restating a position* Well, that's what comments are for really. I wouldn't advise editing answers this way as people tend to get overly attached to their writing there but if you think that the OP won't or can't make the edits himself I'd say it's fine to make the edits and then custom flag the question or, (probably) preferably, flag the comments as obsolete. I'm not sure these kinds of comments fit in with the kind of rampant discussion storms that I think you had in mind with this post." CreationDate="2017-02-21T20:20:26.390" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11636" PostId="4338" Score="0" Text="Right, say there are 10 or 15 arguing comments and one clarification from the author (which might be me) which isn't in the post yet, and there's a good chance all the comments will disappear together. I might want to &quot;rescue&quot; the clarification before it is swept away. I might also want to prevent the escalation and sweeping away, but that might not be possible. Or I might want to hurry it along by being the one to flag." CreationDate="2017-02-21T20:24:21.520" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="11637" PostId="4338" Score="1" Text="anything _sensible_ that can fit into 600 chars of flag message seems worth a flag to me. One recent example of my flag message: &quot;please consider cleaning up the comments. Most of these (per my reading all besides second, third and fourth) currently appear attempts at answers and &quot;humorous&quot; remarks not giving critique nor seeking the clarification of the question&quot; - would something like that work for you Kate?" CreationDate="2017-02-21T21:16:10.193" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11638" PostId="4338" Score="3" Text="The best thing to do is flag comments that are too chatty or are just argumentative early, and every time you see them.  The earlier the comments get stopped the better chance that one or 2 comments go not the entire thread." CreationDate="2017-02-21T21:50:48.233" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11648" PostId="4338" Score="6" Text="One general recommendation I'd give is to actually **upvote the &quot;Comments have been moved to chat&quot; mod comment**. I often see those left buried, particularly on HNQ questions, which has the net effect of no one even being aware that there's already a chat room. Since the &quot;move to chat&quot; is a one-off, follow-up discussions comments are typically just deleted." CreationDate="2017-02-22T09:38:12.833" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11632" PostId="4341" Score="4" Text="&quot;*and a mod can move the comments to chat* To be clear, mods can (and often do) just delete such comments outright." CreationDate="2017-02-21T20:08:43.640" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11633" PostId="4341" Score="2" Text="I actually intended the &quot;they&quot; in &quot;if they think the discussion is worthwhile.&quot; to mean mods, but in retrospect, the ambiguity serves just fine." CreationDate="2017-02-21T20:12:19.537" UserId="12321" />
  <row Id="11641" PostId="4341" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - A far better option save for the rare occasion where the conversation is constructive and civil." CreationDate="2017-02-21T22:53:01.940" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11649" PostId="4342" Score="4" Text="`If the author of a post says something in a comment that ought to be in the post itself (e.g. in response to a question that other readers might have too), please edit it into the post`. This can't be emphasized enough. Our job as moderators is _so much easier_ when this happens consistently." CreationDate="2017-02-22T14:15:48.473" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11647" PostId="4343" Score="3" Text="[Found the link](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/promotion), I feel it should be closed as spam, but not 100%. I'll flag it and let the community decide. If anyone does have some further guidelines on this, I'm all ears!" CreationDate="2017-02-22T08:08:42.027" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11653" PostId="4343" Score="0" Text="I didn't find the answer. Has it already been deleted?" CreationDate="2017-02-23T10:27:36.657" UserId="62982" />
  <row Id="11654" PostId="4343" Score="1" Text="Looks like it. Guess that solves that problem" CreationDate="2017-02-23T10:56:34.447" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11655" PostId="4343" Score="1" Text="@TeacherKSHuang Yes, the answer was deleted by a moderator. Only 10k+ users can see it." CreationDate="2017-02-24T03:01:06.913" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11656" PostId="4343" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan. Ouch :D." CreationDate="2017-02-24T08:26:57.223" UserId="62982" />
  <row Id="11659" PostId="4343" Score="0" Text="I've seen some other examples of product promotion where the answerer is clearly trying to answer the question, and then mentions his own product last (and it is on topic). But the example linked here looks like pure spam. I wouldn't be surprised if the upvotes were cast by sock-puppets accounts." CreationDate="2017-02-24T18:28:07.980" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="11657" PostId="4344" Score="0" Text="you cannot hear me, but I am clapping...." CreationDate="2017-02-24T17:07:10.790" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11681" PostId="4344" Score="0" Text="This was not a good answer, but I do not think it was spam.  I think the OP probably thought it might be useful and I am kind of torn about it being deleted.  I have no problem if the community wants to down vote it but the answer was not just a link with no other context." CreationDate="2017-02-27T15:55:28.510" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11683" PostId="4344" Score="0" Text="For the record I would not have a problem if it was a community deletion the problem is it was a moderator deletion which prevents us from being able to vote to undelete." CreationDate="2017-02-27T16:05:39.010" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11689" PostId="4344" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings True, but there is [an appeal system](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/125840/260382) to contest mod deletions." CreationDate="2017-02-27T19:14:45.530" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11682" PostId="4345" Score="0" Text="I think the answer provided **barely** gets over the line for acceptable.  If the same answer was posted to every or quite a few scrum/standup questions then it would be different but so far as I know this is the only place it was answered and it seems it could be a legitimate attempt to help answer the question.  I think it needs some work but but not such a signifigant overhaul to make the answer completely worthless.  Had it been posted as a comment it would have been a great comment and one I probably would have encouraged to be expanded into a full answer." CreationDate="2017-02-27T16:01:23.133" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14119" PostId="4345" Score="0" Text="@Monica What would be the best approach to handle a situation where a user is (for example) an executive of the company, but mentions merely that he is &quot;associated&quot; with the company (or some such phrase)? It could be perceived as a deliberate attempt to satisfy the affiliation requirement by shoehorning a rather downplayed disclosure." CreationDate="2017-11-07T04:21:25.633" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14120" PostId="4345" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan I'm not aware of any SE rules that mandate *specificity* of the disclosure.  I don't think it matters whether you're a programmer on the team, the CEO, the VC funding the company, or the QA intern.  If it appears to be in good faith it should be fine; if it's spammy then the nature of the disclosure probably isn't the only problem." CreationDate="2017-11-07T04:29:29.190" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14121" PostId="4345" Score="0" Text="@Monica Thanks, that sounds like a reasonable approach to take. Assume good intentions rather than malicious ones. The reason I had asked was [a specific answer to a very old question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/102154/3192). I had considered editing out the self-promotion, but on second thoughts, I decided to check on meta. I will now leave that answer as it is. :)" CreationDate="2017-11-07T06:27:51.393" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11658" PostId="4348" Score="1" Text="Maybe the test shouldn't have been included, but removing it after the fact seems like it is &quot;too late&quot;. Maybe the people who answered did so only because of that test. And maybe someone else visiting will find it a useful example. Better to cast VTC and then retract it only if OP edits it to your liking. Editing to remove someone else's info should be a last resort." CreationDate="2017-02-24T18:22:58.193" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="11660" PostId="4348" Score="0" Text="I'm inclined to agree with your post here, particularly since the question the OP really seems to want to ask is &quot;how do I make these questions better?&quot; and all the answers seem to be answering that question, rather than the bolded question." CreationDate="2017-02-24T18:31:02.967" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11661" PostId="4348" Score="3" Text="&quot;*All of the answers were posted after I made the edit.*&quot; ...So they were. What the hell? It's one thing to get pushback if people already answered when you make drastic edits, even if the question is blatantly off-topic, but it's a bit weird for people to still answer based on removed details. In a situation like that the proper response in my view would be to discuss the edits in the comments or, preferably, in chat or on meta. As the comments on the question now point out, the entire post has become nonsensical. I've cast the final close vote to at least get this off the HNQ..." CreationDate="2017-02-24T20:05:13.413" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11662" PostId="4348" Score="1" Text="... but my guess is that the damage is already done. We're 8 answers in and most of them seem to be operating under the assumption that we're on [programmers.se]. I'm only seeing two answers that actually talk about the on-topic question post-edit." CreationDate="2017-02-24T20:07:01.547" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11663" PostId="4348" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal My guess is that most of the answers were in the process of being written (or trying the programming test), and they didn't bother to update after being notified the question was updated." CreationDate="2017-02-24T20:09:28.323" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11664" PostId="4348" Score="2" Text="@DavidK Very likely, but the bigger problem is people answering such an obviously technical question in the first place. Even if we ignore the technical side, &quot;*Are these questions ok?*&quot; is basically the same as a resume review question, just from the employer's perspective." CreationDate="2017-02-24T20:15:18.670" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11665" PostId="4348" Score="0" Text="One small thought, re: &quot;pre-existing answers do not change whether a question should be edited to be made on-topic&quot; that's not true in my understanding of the meta." CreationDate="2017-02-24T21:08:33.987" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11669" PostId="4348" Score="2" Text="Quite frankly, if someone answers an off-topic question, instead of voting to close it, they deserve the &quot;penalty&quot; of their answers getting invalidated." CreationDate="2017-02-25T08:36:06.133" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11671" PostId="4348" Score="0" Text="On 2nd thoughts, *maybe* we can make it a &quot;locked for historical reasons&quot; or whatever those SO guys do for poor questions that they don't want to delete? :P" CreationDate="2017-02-25T09:18:55.623" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11674" PostId="4348" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal The people who answered most likely saw the test details, then started to answer beffore the edit was made. You can't take back what someone already saw." CreationDate="2017-02-27T12:44:04.340" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="11676" PostId="4348" Score="0" Text="@Brandin That may be true, but if you are in the middle of writing an answer when a question is edited, *you are notified that the question has changed.* At that point the fault is on the answerer, not the question." CreationDate="2017-02-27T13:05:43.400" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11678" PostId="4348" Score="0" Text="@DavidK It doesn't notify your PDF reader. I think the test was a PDF if I recall. It was probably just open in another window." CreationDate="2017-02-27T13:23:01.713" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="11667" PostId="4349" Score="1" Text="Completely agree the question as it stands is on topic IMO the original was not." CreationDate="2017-02-24T22:17:53.260" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11670" PostId="4349" Score="1" Text="Seemed entirely reasonable to me as well." CreationDate="2017-02-25T08:46:07.887" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11675" PostId="4349" Score="1" Text="The edit makes sense on its own but currently the top voted answer on the question makes no sense without having seen the test. e.g. &quot;the test took me 5 minutes&quot; (New visitor: what test??) or &quot;[omit] all the pointless properties&quot; (New visitor: what is he talking about??)." CreationDate="2017-02-27T12:46:57.237" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="11677" PostId="4350" Score="0" Text="Were you penalized for your answer?" CreationDate="2017-02-27T13:16:36.407" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11679" PostId="4350" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I was not, hense &quot;if I were&quot; :)" CreationDate="2017-02-27T13:26:59.970" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="11680" PostId="4350" Score="0" Text="That's good. Glad to hear it." CreationDate="2017-02-27T14:18:03.207" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11684" PostId="4351" Score="2" Text="the edit was wrong first of all because it didn't help to get it off of HNQ. :) Proper edit to the title would be like &quot;My coworkers of the opposite [sex](http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/3060?m=35321445#35321445 &quot;'For quite a while words sex, sexual etc in title block questions from getting into HNQ'&quot;) saw me naked. How to handle this situation?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-27T18:02:24.430" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11685" PostId="4351" Score="2" Text="I made the first edit to this question, in simply changing the word 'naked' to 'showering' - I thought this would retain the meaning of the question while taking away any overt sexual connotations." CreationDate="2017-02-27T18:21:31.567" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="11688" PostId="4351" Score="0" Text="@Pᴇᴛᴇ and agree with that wording myself. This question came out of a discussion where even &quot;showering&quot; was removed and replaced with &quot;in the bathroom&quot; (or words to that effect) as we as the purpose being to keep it from getting on HNQ." CreationDate="2017-02-27T18:53:06.033" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11690" PostId="4351" Score="1" Text="Maybe there's scope in requesting some kind of tag to show the question isn't HNQ material." CreationDate="2017-02-27T19:33:04.520" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="11691" PostId="4351" Score="2" Text="I honestly don't see what the big deal is." CreationDate="2017-02-27T19:35:17.843" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11692" PostId="4351" Score="0" Text="&quot;Can we get some guidance on whether this is appropriate, advisable, etc?&quot; - I think the intent was good, but I'm not so sure about the execution. I thought I read something about the algorithm used to pick items for HNQ but I couldn't find it. I'd like to know if a title change can be effective and if so, how to successfully accomplish non-HNQ-status." CreationDate="2017-02-27T19:38:23.860" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11726" PostId="4351" Score="0" Text="You removed an important detail IMO. As the question reads at the moment it is not at all clear that the questioner's workmates saw her naked and that would add significantly to the awkwardness factor." CreationDate="2017-02-28T20:43:20.927" UserId="22279" />
  <row Id="11727" PostId="4351" Score="0" Text="@MartinSmith **I** didn't remove anything. :) But you are correct. I just checked and the only mention that she was seen naked was in the title and maybe it should be put back in.  Feel free to suggest an edit. :)" CreationDate="2017-02-28T20:52:21.830" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11757" PostId="4351" Score="1" Text="@Pete really? saying naked is an overt sexual connotation????" CreationDate="2017-03-01T14:59:15.420" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="11686" PostId="4352" Score="9" Text="I don't think people here are expecting to see photos, but I do think they're wanting to see some semi-salacious details.  We had another question recently recounting someone getting &quot;caught in the act&quot;.  It's human nature that these kinds of questions attract a large amount of attention and I don't think there's any good way of preventing it without aggressive and question-changing editing.  Some thing to note is that the OP hasn't returned to make any comment and that everyone responding are simply talking to each other...." CreationDate="2017-02-27T18:25:12.837" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="11687" PostId="4352" Score="7" Text="It doesn't matter, we always assume good intentions until proven otherwise, to prevent crying wolf kind of situations. Also, this site is not about the OP alone, we need to consider the usefulness of the question to future readers as well." CreationDate="2017-02-27T18:42:59.000" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11693" PostId="4352" Score="1" Text="You kind of got a bit ranty here considering the clear &amp; direct question. If I may: 1. That's a bit nit-picky honestly. You and the editor couldn't come to an agreement so it probably should have been left alone 2. doesn't really change anything 3. I'm not sure where that come up 4. Just because this isn't a pron site doesn't mean we can ignore human nature and how it might interfere with the usefulness of a questions." CreationDate="2017-02-27T20:45:12.213" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11694" PostId="4352" Score="3" Text="On another point, &quot;HNQ is an absolute disaster&quot; I think that is the opinion of a loud minority honestly; if it was causing actual harm then lots of people would care about it. HNQ brings in traffic, and for an older SE site that is the lifeblood we need. Otherwise all the easy questions will be answered and traffic will dwindle." CreationDate="2017-02-27T20:46:52.570" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11695" PostId="4352" Score="0" Text="In closing, please try not to speak for all SE visitors with opinions like that." CreationDate="2017-02-27T20:47:23.363" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11706" PostId="4352" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle All of those points were in direct response to the comments posted by the said editor in chat, so yeah, that's where that came from. If you see most of the points being ranty, that clearly vindicates *my* point that most of the reasons by the said editor for changing the question were irrelevant." CreationDate="2017-02-28T01:03:14.917" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11707" PostId="4352" Score="2" Text="Regarding HNQ, a lot of people do care about the problem, including a couple of our moderators here, but a certain somebody considers that as &quot;entertainment&quot;, and hence, no attempts are made to fix the problem. We don't really need that kind of low quality traffic that brings in driveby upvoting which skews the voting on HNQ questions and answers. Votes are a lot more important to maintain the quality of this site than traffic. In closing, I am free to post whatever I want in my answer, let the community decide if they agree with me or not, and that includes you." CreationDate="2017-02-28T01:08:39.000" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11696" PostId="4353" Score="1" Text="That's pretty hair-splitting." CreationDate="2017-02-27T20:50:16.607" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11697" PostId="4353" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherEstep Not really. The original edit specifically stated why it was done, and it had nothing to do with HNQ: http://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/85829/3" CreationDate="2017-02-27T20:51:04.297" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11699" PostId="4353" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle - Strangely I did not see that original (3rd) edit when I did mine.  It showed naked when I did my edit.  It is entirely possible that I opened the page before it was edited in a tab and that tab sat unused for a few hours till i got a chance to actually read it." CreationDate="2017-02-27T20:53:57.707" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11700" PostId="4353" Score="0" Text="And the subsequent edit removed that completely. Why?  HNQ." CreationDate="2017-02-27T20:54:12.783" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11701" PostId="4353" Score="1" Text="Looks like the editor confirmed the intention regarding HNQ in chat: http://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/35712562#35712562" CreationDate="2017-02-27T20:57:22.240" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11703" PostId="4353" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle I know it's cool to rag on the sub 10K guy here, but you might want to refer to the original content steam (now moved to a chat stream) where Joe first raised the HNQ issue so you can grab some context . I posted in chat because I don't think it's appropriate to discuss HNQ on a question." CreationDate="2017-02-27T21:15:35.187" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="11705" PostId="4353" Score="0" Text="I did go thru chat eventually (what a task that was today!), we're on the same page now." CreationDate="2017-02-27T21:36:04.020" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11708" PostId="4354" Score="1" Text="I wonder why you use vague smokescreen wording &quot;exists for a reason&quot; when there is a [clear official statement on that](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/220099/165773 &quot;here&quot;) made by SE Community manager: entertainment. They never ever officially stated that HNQ are intended for anything else" CreationDate="2017-02-28T05:43:14.393" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11709" PostId="4354" Score="2" Text="@gnat, you ever consider that not everyone knows the meta like the back of their hand?! I was not using any &quot;vague smokescreen&quot;." CreationDate="2017-02-28T07:23:04.223" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11710" PostId="4354" Score="1" Text="The goal of HNQ is not generating traffic, it is not getting better quality answers, it is just meant to be a source of entertainment for a bunch of SE employees, who have nothing better to do with their time, despite several highly upvoted feature requests pending since 2009 or before. But even if we go by your premise, how does avoiding HNQ prevent getting better answers? On the contrary, we often see HNQ questions getting &quot;protected&quot; to because it attracted several low quality answers." CreationDate="2017-02-28T16:03:59.587" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11715" PostId="4354" Score="0" Text="Looks like the goals are summed up nicely (with a source) here, and it has nothing to do with entertainment. That's just how some people use it. http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/222730/343082" CreationDate="2017-02-28T17:03:55.250" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11722" PostId="4354" Score="1" Text="@ThatOneGuy You do realize, don't you, that the answer you have linked to is written by the same user (gnat) who made the above comment calling out the clear official statement? You might also notice that 1. he explicitly calls it the &quot;original&quot; intent of the HNQ 2. the top voted answer to that question comes from a so-called Community Manager and that talks at length about the &quot;entertainment value&quot; of HNQ, even going to the extent of saying, &quot;if HNQ is causing you problems, the problem is YOU!!&quot;" CreationDate="2017-02-28T18:00:21.250" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11735" PostId="4354" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan funny thing is, back then I've been looking for alternative authoritative references hoping to find ones to counter &quot;entertainment&quot; purpose. This could help justify many old hanging feature requests to make HNQ more useful or at least less harmful. Unfortunately I found none: if you look closer, all alternatives I discovered are &quot;compatible&quot; with entertainment. So I just documented all of them, only to save effort for future readers" CreationDate="2017-03-01T05:35:14.443" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11759" PostId="4354" Score="0" Text="@masked_man the answer I liked to referenced Jeff Atwood directly. I tend to consider that a pretty authoritative source." CreationDate="2017-03-01T15:39:59.617" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11852" PostId="4354" Score="0" Text="@Dorito This (meta.stackexchange.com/a/222730/343082) is not an answer written by Jeff Whoeverwood." CreationDate="2017-03-02T16:22:21.353" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11853" PostId="4354" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan indeed, as I said it *references* Jeff Atwood (A founder and original designer of Stack Exchange)." CreationDate="2017-03-02T16:33:24.703" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11854" PostId="4354" Score="0" Text="Following thru: http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/84389/filtering-hot-questions/89364#89364" CreationDate="2017-03-02T16:33:45.687" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11711" PostId="4356" Score="0" Text="if you -1 this, please tell me why? what I posted is fact based, not opinion based, so if you disagree, you should be able to say why right? :/ if you find flaws within my logic, that'd be appreciated too :/" CreationDate="2017-02-28T16:44:36.360" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="11720" PostId="4356" Score="0" Text="Sorry, was going to respond but got pulled into a meeting. First, the company-specific close reason *would* apply as the question originally was. &quot;Questions that address only a specific company **or position** are of limited use to future visitors.&quot; The question began by describing the position being hired for and then asking if that test was too difficult ***for that position***." CreationDate="2017-02-28T17:33:32.263" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11721" PostId="4356" Score="0" Text="Second, you list most of the close reasons but miss the most important one: Is the question asking about the workplace? The original question was asking about the difficulty of programming tasks, which is a programming question, ***not*** a workplace question. If I said I was trying to hire a translator and asked if this technical document in Japanese was too difficult to translate in an hour, would you find that question acceptable here? Just because SE generally caters to programmers doesn't change that the Workplace should not be answering programming questions." CreationDate="2017-02-28T17:35:51.253" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11736" PostId="4356" Score="0" Text="I fail to see how the question as it stands right now would make it be more or less specific towards that specific position. As it stands they are both for &quot;interviewers&quot; in the software engineering branch. Again, I was refering towards the test itself, not the question. As i specified should be left as you edited." CreationDate="2017-03-01T06:52:43.670" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="11737" PostId="4356" Score="0" Text="@DavidK For the second reason I feel like there's a grey area. There's bound to be some overlap between multiple stack exchange questions. If we were to post the same question in a different SE place it'd simply get refered back to the workplace because the essence of the question IS a workplace question. The parts that you had removed were simply a reference. Like an apendix. Also, the comparison is very unfair as translations cannot be essessed without translating it themselves. I feel like this is the part where we probably agree to disagree." CreationDate="2017-03-01T06:58:48.537" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="11712" PostId="4357" Score="4" Text="I have yet to find these -1 comments, so I'd say keep flagging them. :/ unless you meant those that also included WHY they -1'd? cause those are still ok. its called feedback" CreationDate="2017-02-28T16:45:28.983" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="11714" PostId="4357" Score="0" Text="I've seen a lot of these as well." CreationDate="2017-02-28T16:49:35.007" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11716" PostId="4357" Score="0" Text="@Migz - I have no objection if the policy has changed.  yes its -1 followed by reason why.  Last I knew those were considered rude." CreationDate="2017-02-28T17:06:51.463" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11717" PostId="4357" Score="11" Text="It's kind of an odd objection because half the time you dv an answer, someone bitches about not explaining it. &quot;-1 because ___&quot; seems to fulfill that.  I personally would find a -1 with explanation a lot less rude than a drive-by dv." CreationDate="2017-02-28T17:19:04.953" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11718" PostId="4357" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherEstep - I assure you it was not my idea or policy." CreationDate="2017-02-28T17:22:35.713" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11719" PostId="4357" Score="6" Text="I figured, I was speaking generally.  I actually think -1 comments are *useful* yet the useless +1's persist. Further, I think -1 comments fulfill the actual intent of comments which is to discuss the answer so the poster can make clarifications if necessary. I've edited my answers many times in response to comments and in a few cases I've actually deleted because I misunderstood something that was pointed out in dv explanation.  TL:DR: -1 are not rude, they're beneficial. That's my take." CreationDate="2017-02-28T17:26:36.397" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11725" PostId="4357" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherEstep - Feel free to wage your own war on the +1 I already have [HERE](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/a/359/16)" CreationDate="2017-02-28T19:19:56.757" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11733" PostId="4357" Score="0" Text="I don't think it's rude to explain a downvote and I get heaps of them... never once convinced me to change an answer though... more annoying than rude I would think." CreationDate="2017-03-01T02:36:36.587" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11739" PostId="4357" Score="0" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because there never ever ever was a policy that said -1 in a comment is rude." CreationDate="2017-03-01T08:38:01.623" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11732" PostId="4358" Score="0" Text="By char-count, yes. Consider it in the spirit, &quot;I'm downvoting&quot; versus &quot;I'm downvoting because these reasons &lt;listed reasons&gt;&quot;." CreationDate="2017-02-28T23:38:26.847" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="11723" PostId="4359" Score="0" Text="Perhaps you should get together with the other mods.  I do not mind if it is not just want an official clarification" CreationDate="2017-02-28T19:07:55.370" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11724" PostId="4359" Score="1" Text="FYI [Original Meta on TWP](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/355/what-is-rude-on-the-workplace) and [Linked topic](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/138189/is-it-ok-to-indicate-that-i-downvoted-in-a-comment/138191#138191)" CreationDate="2017-02-28T19:13:54.680" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11729" PostId="4359" Score="2" Text="I have already served a suspension over this fight so yes It was a thing" CreationDate="2017-02-28T22:31:12.590" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11734" PostId="4359" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I agree with Lilienthal.  I'm not aware of a policy that &quot;-1&quot; is rude, and the only answer on the meta post you linked to that argues for it being rude is currently at -6.  If you know of something I've missed, please show me." CreationDate="2017-03-01T02:42:35.307" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11738" PostId="4359" Score="1" Text="Okeydokey no more flags for them from me." CreationDate="2017-03-01T08:37:05.337" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11728" PostId="4360" Score="1" Text="Actually the result was that -1 in comments was not allowed but that +1 was, which was what I was arguing against(the allowing of +1)" CreationDate="2017-02-28T22:27:33.653" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11730" PostId="4360" Score="1" Text="I re-read it and I still don't see any result concluding that -1 in comments is &quot;not allowed&quot; or that it is rude. I'll try again, but I'm just not seeing it..." CreationDate="2017-02-28T22:37:49.267" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11740" PostId="4360" Score="0" Text="This seems more like a comment than an answer though but hey hopefully the mods will delete this question and we can be on our way" CreationDate="2017-03-01T08:38:45.127" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11743" PostId="4360" Score="0" Text="The whole topic seems very confused and confusing." CreationDate="2017-03-01T11:53:40.223" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11855" PostId="4360" Score="0" Text="So vote to close and then delete the question" CreationDate="2017-03-02T17:18:29.373" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11859" PostId="4360" Score="0" Text="I seldom bother voting to close any question theses days. Far too many questions get closed, IMHO. It appears that you have resumed prefixing &quot;-1&quot; in front of your comments again, so things seem clarified for you." CreationDate="2017-03-02T17:51:48.207" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11860" PostId="4360" Score="0" Text="Strangly the mods are accepting flags that they are rude though... wierd huh" CreationDate="2017-03-02T17:58:38.427" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11861" PostId="4360" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings (shrug) I no longer try to make sense of all the details. I do the best I can and don't worry about the rest." CreationDate="2017-03-02T18:18:35.530" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11862" PostId="4360" Score="0" Text="IMO you are great.  I prefer to champion for better for all." CreationDate="2017-03-02T18:23:33.817" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11741" PostId="4361" Score="2" Text="I believe that those 3 sentences are 3 different (if related) close reasons and here the second one applies: whether it makes sense to complain about titles in this specific situation at this specific company is not something we can figure out. For &quot;*Can I use sick leave as regular PTO?*&quot; sentence 1 applies. &quot;*Will I be sent home immediately if I give notice?*&quot; falls under sentence 2 since you obviously can't ask HR for this. Whenever you need in-depth knowledge of particulars to make a reasonable attempt at answering this is the close reason that tends to be used." CreationDate="2017-03-01T11:40:51.707" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11742" PostId="4361" Score="1" Text="I would have voted to close with the same reason, though my reasoning would have been that the OP's first step to take is to contact HR about what is most likely a simple clerical error, which would render the entire question moot." CreationDate="2017-03-01T11:40:56.373" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11744" PostId="4361" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal So to make this more clear for myself. You're saying the question comes down to &quot;should I ask HR about this possible error they made?&quot;. Which would then indeed decided by the severity of the error, which happens to be subjective and cannot be awnsered by us. and therefor it'd be off-topic? If that's the reason, I can stand behind it. It just feels a bit complex to get to that reasoning, but it checks out." CreationDate="2017-03-01T12:19:17.520" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="11765" PostId="4361" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Which reason for topicality would that have fallen under?" CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:25:54.930" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11828" PostId="4361" Score="0" Text="@ChristopherEstep The same one since in that case it falls under sentence 1: Ask your manager/HR why your title is incorrect. We can't guess whether it's a simple mistake, a default setting or if they're doing it deliberately. Only people at his company know that." CreationDate="2017-03-01T22:51:39.753" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11829" PostId="4361" Score="1" Text="@Migz It's just a bit of an XY problem. OP is saying &quot;*they're not giving me the title I was promised, should I complain now or argue for a 'better' title at my evaluation?*&quot;. But that's pure guesswork and the first step here is to figure out what's actually going on. And then the answer becomes &quot;Ask HR/your manager&quot; and we close those questions because they're useless for Q&amp;A and there really isn't any way for answers to be functionally different from each other. The main problem I saw with the question is that no one seems to have pointed this out to the OP." CreationDate="2017-03-01T22:54:46.383" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11755" PostId="4362" Score="12" Text="It seems like the best action here would have been a minor edit to remove the offending parts of the last paragraph.  Simply changing the wording to &quot;you found a woman willing to have a one night stand&quot; would have removed the offensive pieces while keeping the intent of the answer nearly untouched." CreationDate="2017-03-01T14:20:15.797" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11756" PostId="4362" Score="0" Text="Hopefully we can increase the 3 flag rule as the community grows...It doesn't make sense to have magic numbers like that" CreationDate="2017-03-01T14:58:05.453" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="11857" PostId="4362" Score="4" Text="For the record if you can find enough 20k + users willing to vote you can get it undeleted... Good luck with that, I will not be voting to undelete unless the content is changed to make it constructive and useful." CreationDate="2017-03-02T17:24:51.423" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11976" PostId="4362" Score="1" Text="I agree with enderland, removing the whole post benefit less to the community than removing the offending part because the aswer is accurate, despise the offending part." CreationDate="2017-03-15T10:30:12.693" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="12064" PostId="4362" Score="0" Text="Not up to Gnashers usual high standards, but doesn't seem all that bad. Minor edit only would have fixed it." CreationDate="2017-03-18T12:51:54.713" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11747" PostId="4363" Score="0" Text="This isn't my answer and I'm not advocating for it to stay, by the way. I opened this because it was deleted as offensive, then undeleted by a mod, and then deleted as offensive again." CreationDate="2017-03-01T13:39:44.393" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="11749" PostId="4363" Score="0" Text="@Magisch Sorry, I've gotten in the habit of using &quot;you&quot; as in towards the posts I've been refering to. I'm sorry if I made it seem like it was directed towards you. that was not my intention :)" CreationDate="2017-03-01T13:41:45.197" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="11847" PostId="4363" Score="1" Text="Yes it insults the OP, but considering the self-victimisation that went on in this question (hardly regarding the consequences for the interviewee) it seemed justified." CreationDate="2017-03-02T13:58:02.427" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="11851" PostId="4363" Score="4" Text="@WeckarE. Insults are never justified, ever. If I were to punch my own arm, would you also punch my arm? Just because someone victimizes or insults themselves, it does not mean that you can insult them and make them even more of a victim." CreationDate="2017-03-02T14:47:24.300" UserId="47397" />
  <row Id="11745" PostId="4364" Score="8" Text="Everyone makes mistakes. Thats why most moderator actions are public and the community can review them. So I suppose the answer stays deleted as offensive, now?" CreationDate="2017-03-01T13:38:31.390" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="11748" PostId="4364" Score="4" Text="If it's now been deleted by the community, then yes, it stays deleted.  That's what I'd intended all along but messed it up." CreationDate="2017-03-01T13:40:31.737" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="11750" PostId="4364" Score="0" Text="I'm surprised that the first deletion is marked as deleted by Community and not by you. I would think a moderator hammer should be logged as such. Is this a bug, or was it marked as Community because there was already one user flag?" CreationDate="2017-03-01T13:42:08.513" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11751" PostId="4364" Score="0" Text="@DavidK If a post is deleted by a mod flag (rather than a straight deletion), it always shows as being  deleted by Community.  The same thing happens if we flag spam posts." CreationDate="2017-03-01T13:43:38.233" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="11752" PostId="4364" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Thats what happens when a post is destroyed by spam/abusive flags, regardless of where those flags come from. 3 community flags or 1 moderator flag will do that." CreationDate="2017-03-01T13:45:00.313" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="11753" PostId="4364" Score="0" Text="So would we expect this scenario to ever play out if there weren't any wrong button clicks? (deleted-&gt;undeleted-&gt;deleted again) Or if an answer is deleted by the community, do mods just leave it gone?" CreationDate="2017-03-01T13:49:10.403" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11754" PostId="4364" Score="3" Text="@DavidK I've never done or ever seen any of us unilaterally undelete an answer if it's been deleted by the community.  If the community has decided to delete an answer, it stays that way." CreationDate="2017-03-01T13:57:57.867" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="11872" PostId="4364" Score="1" Text="You might want to incorporate your above comment into the answer. The current answer only covers this specific example, but the question also asks for the general rule when this situation arises. Your above comment sort-of covers that aspect." CreationDate="2017-03-03T06:28:39.513" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11746" PostId="4365" Score="3" Text="I undeleted it because my deletion was not what I'd intended to do.  I had wanted to leave that to the community and royally messed it up :)" CreationDate="2017-03-01T13:39:04.687" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="11858" PostId="4365" Score="0" Text="@JaneS - Honestly, if you see something like that and feel it should be deleted, I would prefer you delete it, then wait and see if there is backlash if the community wants it back give it back to them.  But I would rather mods trusted their instincts and prune the bad leaves before they have a chance to impede the growth of the good ones." CreationDate="2017-03-02T17:26:55.280" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11866" PostId="4365" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I _did_ go with my instinct, which was to watch it closely, but let the community handle it rather than start a (yet another) unnecessary flame war about mods unilaterally controlling things.  The issue was that I hit a wrong button.  Had I not done that, the post would have been flag-deleted by the community anyway and we wouldn't be having this discussion :)" CreationDate="2017-03-02T21:20:06.023" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="11869" PostId="4365" Score="3" Text="&quot;He tells the woman she has low morals, simply because she decided to have a one night stand&quot;. I have trouble understanding why this is gathering so much controversy. One-night stands don't necessarily radiate of high morality, will anybody even try to argue otherwise?&#xA;I understand this is inappropriate due to not being constructive but that is understandable from the nature of his post (Trying to represent the personal point of view of the victim) but I don't understand THIS much controversy." CreationDate="2017-03-02T23:40:45.503" UserId="53645" />
  <row Id="11870" PostId="4365" Score="6" Text="@SlavaKnyazev Maybe a one night stand does not line up with *your* morals, but I see nothing morally wrong with them. It is her choice what she does with her body, and it is completely inappropriate to tell someone they have &quot;low morals&quot; because you may feel otherwise. It would be akin to someone who keeps Kosher telling me I have low morals for eating bacon for breakfast." CreationDate="2017-03-03T00:05:02.790" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11953" PostId="4365" Score="1" Text="@SlavaKnyazev : Yes, David K seems to rather assume the position that &quot;slut shaming&quot; is negative. This is a position I disagree with. The answer to your question (identified by your question mark) is that yes, David K (and many others) do.  On the other hand, that stance is not universal: I consider keeping silent to be inappropriate; doing so seems to encourage such harmful sexual immorality. Regarding the Kosher example, I'd applaud the boldness &amp; helpful intent of such a commenter (although would favor slight re-phrasing for that particular issue). Morality requires being vocal." CreationDate="2017-03-13T03:50:51.040" UserId="45088" />
  <row Id="11954" PostId="4365" Score="3" Text="@TOOGAM So you want to insult other people based on your morality. Fine. This isn't the site for it. We generally don't insult people here." CreationDate="2017-03-13T08:17:25.243" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="11958" PostId="4365" Score="0" Text="Based on his morality? You're going for moral relativism, aren't you?" CreationDate="2017-03-13T21:37:13.627" UserId="53645" />
  <row Id="11960" PostId="4365" Score="0" Text="Slava : What are you doing? Your &quot;his&quot; and &quot;you&quot; are unidentified pronouns (me about David, or Magisch about me).  Your &quot;moral relativism&quot; phrase is also ambiguous ([Wikipedia on M.R.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_relativism) identifies types of descriptive/meta-ethical/normative.  Notice how me pointing out a contrary opinion led to @Magisch vilifying me as malicious.  (My goal is not to insult, even if a feeling of insult is an unpleasant result of taking a stance of truth: calling a spade a spade.)  But is your comment truly aimed at clarifying, or just opening a can of worms/debate?" CreationDate="2017-03-14T06:16:13.800" UserId="45088" />
  <row Id="11961" PostId="4365" Score="1" Text="@TOOGAM I'm not villifying you. I'm pointing out that if you want to spread your particular version of morality you still have to adhere to the be nice principle of this site, which includes not insulting people, including OP." CreationDate="2017-03-14T07:08:36.130" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="11758" PostId="4367" Score="2" Text="It can't be anything other than a legal/regulation question." CreationDate="2017-03-01T15:36:28.277" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="11760" PostId="4367" Score="3" Text="It's a legal question that goes beyond layman's knowledge, even beyond an HR specialist's knowledge." CreationDate="2017-03-01T15:43:52.710" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11762" PostId="4367" Score="0" Text="Those questions at the end of the now edited post do sound like &quot;tell me what the law says on this&quot; to me, not &quot;interpret this law for me&quot;. Someone familiar with Malaysian work practices can throw more light on it." CreationDate="2017-03-01T16:36:21.010" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11770" PostId="4367" Score="3" Text="This one was clearly off-topic / legal" CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:35:42.687" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11830" PostId="4367" Score="1" Text="Even looking up the law for someone seems potentially off-topic" CreationDate="2017-03-01T22:58:56.343" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11836" PostId="4367" Score="1" Text="&quot;I'm a strong opponent of closing questions just because something has the word 'law' in it but in this case, the OP is actually asking us to give an interpretation of the law, not what the law says.&quot; - agreed. We have very squishy definitions regarding &quot;off-topic due to legal&quot; IMHO." CreationDate="2017-03-02T01:23:20.257" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11921" PostId="4367" Score="0" Text="well technically if they don't pay you the employer has &quot;frustrated&quot; the contract and you are no longer employed" CreationDate="2017-03-05T15:28:52.820" UserId="40085" />
  <row Id="11955" PostId="4367" Score="0" Text="Could we just mark these questions as above our pay grade (i.e., off-topic for legal reasons) without closing them, per se? Or close being able to answer them, but without deleting the questions themselves, again, with a disclaimer about how these sorts of questions should not be answered by us." CreationDate="2017-03-13T11:35:03.733" UserId="62982" />
  <row Id="11761" PostId="4368" Score="1" Text="A lot of people have been saying that over and over again since years, sadly, people just don't listen." CreationDate="2017-03-01T16:33:18.450" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11763" PostId="4368" Score="4" Text="I agree with you on closing. That should be only done if it's genuinely off-topic. I disagree on the votes. We're not voting on the topicality of the question, but the quality of the question. I think downvotes for something a person thinks is a bad question is not only appropriate but the actual purpose of a vote." CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:11:57.580" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11764" PostId="4368" Score="3" Text="Further, I don't believe that &quot; it is perfectly acceptable to post an answer which explains that&quot; is correct. Answers for answering the question, not explaining why you disagree with the premise. Answers like that tend to get deleted." CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:14:10.467" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11766" PostId="4368" Score="2" Text="@ChristopherEstep Did you read the Meta post I linked about &quot;Don't foo the bar&quot;? I think that perfectly states that it is acceptable to tell someone not to do what they are asking, so long as the answer still gives support and alternative solutions." CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:30:06.780" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11767" PostId="4368" Score="0" Text="Agreed.  But sometimes what I think is clearly off topic might not line up with other views..." CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:31:06.497" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11775" PostId="4368" Score="4" Text="I sometimes will downvote based on a user's attitude, as was the case in this question. I did undownvote after removing some language from the question which was unnecessarily provocative." CreationDate="2017-03-01T18:05:11.263" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11794" PostId="4368" Score="1" Text="regarding the second two, should we really be leaving questions open that ask how to behave in an unethical fashion?  Also, voting up to counteract a downvote is discouraged as the upvote carries more weight." CreationDate="2017-03-01T18:38:55.203" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11795" PostId="4368" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I think it's okay, as long as the answers say &quot;That is unethical, don't do that.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-03-01T18:39:39.323" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11798" PostId="4368" Score="0" Text="Yes I read it, and I don't agree. That's just an opinion with some upvotes. It's not policy. The help he linked to is more clear which instead advises to &quot;Answer well-asked questions&quot;.  Meta is important for discussion and guidance, one person's opinion (who isn't even a mod) doesn't make policy. If an answer is a critique of the question and not an answer, I'll downvote it every time. If an answer is poorly constructed, edit it. [This](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-answer) is the guideline I'll follow, not a 3 year old discussion that's not policy." CreationDate="2017-03-01T19:07:19.387" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11821" PostId="4368" Score="2" Text="@enderland I remember editing a post where the OP was getting angrier and angrier at the downvotes (it had a bad tone to it) and then it went up from -5 to +25 (or so) so, you're not alone on that.  Once the tone was changed, he got some good answers too." CreationDate="2017-03-01T20:04:01.103" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11877" PostId="4368" Score="2" Text="would be interesting to have a corollary discussion: **&quot;Discouraging up and reopen votes because you like the question&quot;**" CreationDate="2017-03-03T12:44:08.067" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11878" PostId="4368" Score="0" Text="@gnat Your question is pretty much equivalent to &quot;How can we keep bad questions off of HNQ?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-03-03T12:57:17.793" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11880" PostId="4368" Score="1" Text="oh I didn't realise that when writing prior comment. Though now that you mentioned it, you seem to be right. :) Which makes such a discussion useless because in case of HNQ 99% of (up)voters wouldn't care about what these boring site regulars discuss at their boring meta or write in their boring canned comments" CreationDate="2017-03-03T13:11:01.557" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11959" PostId="4368" Score="1" Text="FWIW: I don't agree with the premise of [upvoting to cancel a downvote](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/311406/is-using-an-up-vote-to-balance-out-a-down-vote-wrong)." CreationDate="2017-03-14T03:46:34.123" UserId="39976" />
  <row Id="11833" PostId="4369" Score="0" Text="I see your point; you should edit it to be more general and you might get more tractions." CreationDate="2017-03-01T23:43:21.800" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11843" PostId="4369" Score="0" Text="@user30031 How would you suggest generalizing it" CreationDate="2017-03-02T13:27:21.493" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11844" PostId="4369" Score="0" Text="Personally, I wouldn't recommend it :)" CreationDate="2017-03-02T13:41:32.310" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11768" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="What is the status of your flag? If it is still pending, then a moderator just hasn't gotten around to it yet. If they have declined to act on your flag, they will usually leave an explanation." CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:31:26.207" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11769" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="@DavidK How can I see if my flag status?" CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:32:55.520" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11771" PostId="4370" Score="1" Text="Go to your user profile, on the far right is &quot;# helpful flags&quot;. Click on that and it will show you all of your pending, helpful, declined, and disputed flags." CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:37:25.460" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11772" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="Good to know, it is still pending.  My question still stands though.  :-)" CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:38:50.583" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11773" PostId="4370" Score="8" Text="Moderators don't patrol the site 24/7 watching for the little icon to pop up and squash the flag at first notice... we are people ;-)" CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:49:42.077" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11774" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="@enderland My question is more about the type of or content versus how long it takes for one of the elders to get to it.  I will update the question." CreationDate="2017-03-01T17:50:38.467" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11925" PostId="4370" Score="1" Text="They must have some automated stuff going on as I have seen Spam or Rude go away immediately when I click.  I imagine a moderator can back that out.   On spam they probably can also evaluate the content." CreationDate="2017-03-06T16:00:58.773" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11957" PostId="4370" Score="0" Text="Possibly related to your 20K+ rep..." CreationDate="2017-03-13T18:00:35.107" UserId="43235" />
  <row Id="11796" PostId="4372" Score="0" Text="what does &quot;disputed&quot; mean with a flag?  I saw that about four or five times in my history" CreationDate="2017-03-01T19:00:44.223" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11800" PostId="4372" Score="0" Text="Delays are no big deal too me.  I was more interested in the criteria piece, which you addressed too." CreationDate="2017-03-01T19:11:00.010" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11819" PostId="4372" Score="4" Text="@RichardU http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/95275/what-is-a-disputed-flag" CreationDate="2017-03-01T19:54:24.590" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="11820" PostId="4372" Score="0" Text="@PhilipKendall thanks!  That was very useful.  I'll be much more careful with my flagging." CreationDate="2017-03-01T19:57:58.893" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11822" PostId="4372" Score="0" Text="The moderators here do a splendid job, much of it behind the scenes.  We should all remember that we only see a tiny fraction of what you all do." CreationDate="2017-03-01T20:10:33.540" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11824" PostId="4372" Score="0" Text="No doubt, they do a ton." CreationDate="2017-03-01T21:50:28.013" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11863" PostId="4372" Score="0" Text="Please do not take this as a personal attack because it is not meant as one.  This does not say what is considered rude.  I would really love to see a Canonical answer that we can point people to who are consistently or repeatedly rude perhaps unintentionally, or just want to understand and avoid behaviors that are considered rude.  I think this would help reduce the number or rude flags you need to decline and probably deal with.  And probably improve the quality of the workplace in general as I know I would actively avoid doing anything on the list." CreationDate="2017-03-02T18:28:12.340" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11864" PostId="4372" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings don't we have other meta posts about this?  No time to look right now, but there's the &quot;what's rude&quot; post that was linked previously, and the &quot;keeping the site professional&quot; one that I think is tagged faq, and I think some others." CreationDate="2017-03-02T18:56:58.490" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11889" PostId="4372" Score="0" Text="Yeah that post is evidently confusing now and while it was all moderators at the time pretty much none of the contributors are mods now.  And things that used to be considered rude are now being rejected.  So what would be incredibly helpful would be a canonical post from the current mods on what is rude now." CreationDate="2017-03-03T16:06:54.957" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11826" PostId="4376" Score="0" Text="Any HR's department's position on this issue is *always* going to be &quot;we expect you to honour your notice period&quot;; you're never going to get an answer out of HR which says &quot;please screw the company over, thanks&quot;." CreationDate="2017-03-01T22:04:53.420" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="11827" PostId="4376" Score="1" Text="@PhilipKendall: When speaking to their own employees. But this is Meta; the question is whether HR staff of _another_ Malaysian company could answer it." CreationDate="2017-03-01T22:08:29.173" UserId="2192" />
  <row Id="11831" PostId="4376" Score="0" Text="Even if that were the case, would that just make this an &quot;ask your HR department&quot; question?" CreationDate="2017-03-01T23:00:13.570" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11838" PostId="4376" Score="0" Text="@user30031: Well, Phillip does have a point; your own HR department is unlikely to give a fair answer (if at all - they too may have left)" CreationDate="2017-03-02T07:46:59.683" UserId="2192" />
  <row Id="11839" PostId="4376" Score="0" Text="Not all readers of this site are American either, so let us close all questions pertaining to US law as well. Or actually, let us take that a step further and close all questions because not all readers come from a single country." CreationDate="2017-03-02T12:02:54.420" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11840" PostId="4376" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan: I don't get who you're addressing. I'm the only one who brought up a country here, but I'm **not** in favor of closing. Did you want to comment on Phillip's answer?" CreationDate="2017-03-02T12:10:03.717" UserId="2192" />
  <row Id="11842" PostId="4376" Score="1" Text="I am not focused on the &quot;closing&quot; part of it, but specifically responding to your point about &quot;not all readers are Malaysian&quot;. That is not even relevant to your answer, or to anything else. You could have as well appended &quot;the sky is blue&quot; to your answer, and the response would be the same, &quot;yeah, so? how does that matter?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-03-02T12:24:00.077" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11846" PostId="4376" Score="0" Text="We generally *do* close questions pertaining solely to US law. No need to it to that level." CreationDate="2017-03-02T13:44:26.007" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11867" PostId="4376" Score="0" Text="I also don't quite understand why it'd be relevant to the closing/not closing of the question that this is a region specific question as many questions are." CreationDate="2017-03-02T23:05:20.413" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="11920" PostId="4376" Score="0" Text="I agree with this assessment and it's what I was getting at in my comment on the question. Someone in HR *should* know, in general terms, what kind of infractions can lead to someone considering their employment contract void. Now, since we seem to be lacking an expert on Malaysian law we can't rightly state if such a general answer is possible or not. We've had some UK-based questions for instance that would be impossible to answer for the US but where official .gov sites clearly outline the general process. The OP's HR department doesn't have anything to do with this though." CreationDate="2017-03-04T20:18:56.900" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11835" PostId="4378" Score="3" Text="Good point. &quot;not useful&quot; is even part of the hover text on the down arrow." CreationDate="2017-03-02T01:20:35.183" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11837" PostId="4378" Score="1" Text="For most users, I don't think &quot;useful&quot; or &quot;helpful&quot; are the reasons for up and down-voting.  I think it's mainly used as Like/Don't like.  So many people are used to &quot;like&quot; buttons in social media that having a &quot;don't like&quot; button habitually gets used (especially when they don't have to explain themselves)." CreationDate="2017-03-02T07:34:31.503" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="11841" PostId="4378" Score="1" Text="But that's my point. A question asking &quot;How do I do this wrong thing?&quot; is *still useful* when all of the top answers are &quot;That's a mistake, here's why, and here's an alternative&quot;" CreationDate="2017-03-02T12:11:19.567" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11845" PostId="4378" Score="0" Text="I see your point. I'm not here to deny it, just trying to explain things. We'll never get everyone to agree on a site this size." CreationDate="2017-03-02T13:42:40.810" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11931" PostId="4378" Score="1" Text="@DavidK I've usually seen this turn out well eventually, often after someone points out that the OP should (usually) be applauded for at least asking the question. Very often it comes down to the attitude OP displays. Genuine questions asked out of ignorance or those that the community edits into shape after the OP disappears are usually upvoted as they're useful. If the OP disagrees with edits and just wants to hear a pre-existing opinion validated often reap downvotes." CreationDate="2017-03-07T13:40:19.537" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11848" PostId="4379" Score="0" Text="People don't like HNQ because it does two things 1) Attracts attention to low-quality sensationalist questions 2) Rewards people who create and answers low-quality sensationalist questions. Somehow, this happening to one or two questions per day in the Workplace Stack is a bad thing." CreationDate="2017-03-02T14:09:09.133" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="11849" PostId="4379" Score="1" Text="@Pᴇᴛᴇ I'm aware it is generally disliked (I happen to personally disagree, but irrelevant). My point is that it is part of the system, and if you are fighting the system in such ways you are destabilising trust in the system. And, not to talk in hyperbole too much, it's only a few steps from people trying to go around Moderators." CreationDate="2017-03-02T14:19:49.360" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="11850" PostId="4379" Score="1" Text="I totally agree with you." CreationDate="2017-03-02T14:22:29.137" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="11940" PostId="4379" Score="0" Text="Someone asked about salacious words in the HNQ list on Meta, and [you won't believe what happens next!](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/242047/307622)  WeckarE., have you never heard of &quot;clickbait&quot;?  @Pᴇᴛᴇ is right." CreationDate="2017-03-08T04:28:15.303" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="11865" PostId="4380" Score="0" Text=".... that's weird, especially since it's on meta." CreationDate="2017-03-02T20:32:59.207" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11868" PostId="4380" Score="1" Text="[This answer by Shog9](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/184511) seems to be the best I can find for bumping. Definitely happens on the main site too - possibly useful there while I'm not sure of it's value on meta." CreationDate="2017-03-02T23:38:04.290" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="11873" PostId="4380" Score="0" Text="@enderland see related discussion at MSE: [No Community ♦ bumping in Meta please?](http://meta.stackexchange.com/q/48441/165773) ([meta-tag:status-declined]; linked discussions also seem worth taking a look at)" CreationDate="2017-03-03T07:47:33.210" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11892" PostId="4381" Score="1" Text="wow, fascinating." CreationDate="2017-03-03T16:35:31.930" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11874" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="There *is* a special chatroom for moderators, but it's unlikely that this post was discussed there." CreationDate="2017-03-03T08:39:23.717" UserId="33983" />
  <row Id="11875" PostId="4382" Score="3" Text="Are you sure you didn't misunderstand the comment? It usually says something like *&quot;__a__ moderator moved comments __to chat__&quot;*, not &quot;to moderator chat&quot;…" CreationDate="2017-03-03T08:52:20.747" UserDisplayName="deceze" />
  <row Id="11876" PostId="4382" Score="1" Text="Why is this question migrated here? Just because there was &quot;workplace&quot; mentioned? Moderators can move comments to chat on any site, should have migrated it to meta.SE." CreationDate="2017-03-03T11:17:38.253" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11882" PostId="4382" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan even though it's on-topic on Meta.SE too, it's ok to ask questions on per-site metas.  I think the assumption is that people are already here.  Questions get more attention on Meta.SE because it's a larger community, and sometimes we redirect people there if nobody here can answer." CreationDate="2017-03-03T14:15:41.570" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11885" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan In addition to what Monica said, each site can handle their moderation differently. Moderators are able to create private chatrooms and while I'd assume that every site has at least one that they reserve for internal discussion, I wouldn't be surprised if some mod teams used another medium like Slack. There's no standard moderator chatroom that's created for every site." CreationDate="2017-03-03T14:55:21.643" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11886" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="If the question were asked here to begin with, then it makes sense. But it was *migrated* here, that felt a bit strange. Whoever migrated it would have known that this question is better suited to meta.SE, since there is nothing &quot;workplace-specific&quot; to this question (it is just an unimportant detail that the OP observed it here, but it could have been any other site). On meta.SE, it would reach a much wider audience, which also means that a future user with the same question is more likely to get the answer if it is on meta.SE than here." CreationDate="2017-03-03T15:16:17.437" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11887" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="I didn't know that different SE sites have their own meta. Also, I thought about this as a general functionality of SE, not being site specific, which is another reason I went to post on SE.meta" CreationDate="2017-03-03T15:20:19.783" UserId="34775" />
  <row Id="11888" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="I agree. I think the evil mods are planning something...We must find out at once" CreationDate="2017-03-03T15:59:49.473" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="11899" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="This was originally posted on Meta Stack Overflow, not Meta Stack Exchange. I don't know why it was specifically migrated here instead of Meta Stack Exchange, but it was not originally posted on Meta Stack Exchange then migrated here as everyone seems to think." CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:23:11.793" UserId="65424" />
  <row Id="11903" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="Then I must have googled for &quot;meta stackoverflow&quot; and posted there thinking it was the same. Like I said, I only thought there was one meta site for all of the stack exchange websites." CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:28:15.067" UserId="34775" />
  <row Id="11904" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="@Tiny Giant I hope that the &quot;everyone&quot; doesn't include me because that is exactly what I am asking about!" CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:33:17.040" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11905" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="@user985366 It was not a complaint against you. It is quite common for questions to be migrated to a more appropriate place, and hey, the StackExchange people too seem to be unsure if they are SO or SE. They first used to have meta.SO to cover general questions, then created a meta.SE, then changed the company name from SE to SO and back (or something). My concern was about why *this* was deemed to be the appropriate place to migrate to, and not meta.SE." CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:37:07.933" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11908" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan That would only apply to you if you were implying that this was migrated from Meta Stack Exchange to here. As for the SO/SE confusion, Stack Overflow is the name of the company, Stack Exchange is the network. Meta Stack Exchange is the meta for the network, Meta Stack Overflow is the meta for Stack Overflow, and the Company. If something is about the network, it should be posted on Meta Stack Exchange, but it is acceptable to post it on a child meta that the user is comfortable posting on. Again, I don't know why it was migrated here, I was just clarifying that it wasn't [...]" CreationDate="2017-03-03T18:11:54.530" UserId="65424" />
  <row Id="11909" PostId="4382" Score="0" Text="[...] migrated to here from Meta Stack Exchange" CreationDate="2017-03-03T18:12:16.403" UserId="65424" />
  <row Id="11879" PostId="4383" Score="0" Text="This definitely answers what the OP was trying to figure out, but can you address the question in the title too? I know a moderator chat exists but I've never seen it, so it would be good to have public confirmation that it's only accessible to moderators." CreationDate="2017-03-03T13:01:10.270" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11883" PostId="4383" Score="1" Text="@DavidK there are moderator-only chat rooms, yes -- one for the moderators on this site only, and one main one for moderators across the network.  We use these rooms to discuss things that can't be discussed in public, for example because they involve PII, or to get advice from other moderators on how to handle situations we're not confident about handling on our own." CreationDate="2017-03-03T14:18:37.267" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="11884" PostId="4383" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Thanks, I kind of assumed that was how it worked." CreationDate="2017-03-03T14:25:21.093" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="11900" PostId="4386" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I think you might have misread the edit history. enderland did not actually edit his question, he just protected it because ... surprise, surprise ... HNQ! :)" CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:25:04.300" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11910" PostId="4386" Score="0" Text="Seems yesterday's edit also rendered my answer somewhat invalid as it does not address the new question." CreationDate="2017-03-03T18:20:32.273" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="11916" PostId="4386" Score="1" Text="&quot;What can I do about this?&quot; other than coming here to Meta and complaining, there doesn't seem to be anything to prevent people with sufficient reputation from editing the life out of any question they choose. That seems to be the way the system is designed. I'm not sure why that design was chosen." CreationDate="2017-03-03T23:30:18.940" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11923" PostId="4386" Score="0" Text="If they accept your rollback then no harm done in my opinion.   If they re-edit then flag it for moderator." CreationDate="2017-03-06T15:25:05.663" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11926" PostId="4386" Score="0" Text="Why are the details being removed so important to your question?  Does the condensed question not cover it completely.  Questions here are intended to help others in the future with similar problems so if a question can be made more generally applicable with out changing the core of your question that should be encouraged.  (as others said calling you a troll was a violation of the Be Nice policy you should flag that." CreationDate="2017-03-06T17:04:03.330" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11893" PostId="4388" Score="5" Text="Yes. Moderators can message users privately to warn them of behaviour issues." CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:05:44.230" UserId="27355" />
  <row Id="11896" PostId="4388" Score="13" Text="On a meta-note (or is that a meta-meta-note), for someone who goes by the name of Mister Positive, you sure seem to worry about a lot of unnecessary things. :) On a personal note, I suggest just let it go. Don't carry too many unnecessary burdens, life is too short for that. Found an offensive comment? Flag it and move on. Don't keep checking back every few hours if it was deleted already or not. ;)" CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:10:03.113" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11897" PostId="4388" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan &quot;Every few hours&quot;?  Heck I check every few seconds ;-)  Seriously the one off's don't matter and get filed away appropriately.  There a few users who seem to like to stir the pot and when it doesn't go the way the expect, resort to less that professional tactics." CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:12:22.233" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11898" PostId="4388" Score="2" Text="I would say they can and do unofficially track repeat offenders, but there doesn't seem to be any technical or automated &quot;3 strikes you're out&quot; system or similar. The mods themselves seem to require a pretty high threshold of serious offenses to take action." CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:13:22.183" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="11906" PostId="4388" Score="1" Text="The mods take the flags very seriously.  Flag the offending comment, and forget about it.  Do **not** engage the person, as the mods will just have to delete your responses as well.  This system works well and is why trolling here is fairly rare, but it does happen.  The best thing is to flag, move on, and forget." CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:55:34.970" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11911" PostId="4388" Score="9" Text="What @RichardU said is a good point, too - if there's anything moderators do _not_ like it's trying to sort through a long stream of one-sided comment flags that look like they are being used by the same person who is engaging as well. It's far easier for us to handle flags when it's not appearing to be entirely one sided. We aren't an on-demand weapon to help someone win an argument.." CreationDate="2017-03-03T19:28:39.467" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11912" PostId="4388" Score="0" Text="@enderland I kinda had to learn that one myself...." CreationDate="2017-03-03T19:31:22.460" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11913" PostId="4388" Score="7" Text="I have seen users who seem to be 100% dumb and rude in comments, yet they're still doing it, so I assume it's a coin toss unless you flag." CreationDate="2017-03-03T22:40:52.587" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11922" PostId="4388" Score="2" Text="Never mind the members who over-edit your posts or moderators whom one might find snarky :O :D." CreationDate="2017-03-06T08:35:49.847" UserId="62982" />
  <row Id="11924" PostId="4388" Score="3" Text="Just continue to flag.  Engage the user does no good. If you get a lot of flags declined then consider flagging less.   On moderator elections you can ask them how they handle flags.   I wish we could down vote comments." CreationDate="2017-03-06T15:54:02.647" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11983" PostId="4388" Score="0" Text="Agreed - from the normal user side of things, just flag as needed. And it does work - we had one person on the Sci-Fi SE that basically stayed in the penalty box because he/she refused to learn from repeated flags, warnings, and even temporary bans. I think that person finally got tired of it and left, but I could be wrong. Either way, the behavior finally stopped." CreationDate="2017-03-16T16:43:29.600" UserId="34547" />
  <row Id="11901" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="And this answer is why you are a moderator, thank you!   The information you provided in the link is most helpful too." CreationDate="2017-03-03T17:25:32.027" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11941" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="Can a person get a timeout for not constructive (not rude)?" CreationDate="2017-03-08T15:46:46.157" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11942" PostId="4389" Score="1" Text="@Paparazzi the only way someone gets a timeout is manual moderator intervention. In this regard, it doesn't &quot;matter&quot; - we will review each case individually." CreationDate="2017-03-08T18:49:23.680" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11943" PostId="4389" Score="0" Text="From your perspective do you care if it got flagged not constructive versus rude?  You are just going based on the content?   I won't hit you with any more questions." CreationDate="2017-03-08T18:54:07.413" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11944" PostId="4389" Score="3" Text="@Paparazzi I mean, it's better if they are flagged reasonably - if someone says &quot;go f yourself&quot; that should be flagged rude because it gets a bit quicker attention (too chatty is generally not _urgent_). I guess the problem here is there's a lot of squishyness. It's definitely helpful if they are flagged well, but it's not the end of the world if not - but it's probably better to error on the side of not using rude when it's not rude. We are more likely to decline a flag of rude on something like &quot;+1, great answer&quot; for sure." CreationDate="2017-03-08T18:58:33.040" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11956" PostId="4390" Score="5" Text="This is a great comment... but not an answer." CreationDate="2017-03-13T16:22:55.620" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="11929" PostId="4393" Score="4" Text="[Chat](http://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler) would be a good home for a lot of these questions I think." CreationDate="2017-03-06T18:46:09.300" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11930" PostId="4393" Score="0" Text="Okay, thanks. Next time I'll try to consult the chat first!" CreationDate="2017-03-06T19:39:24.150" UserId="59854" />
  <row Id="11927" PostId="4394" Score="0" Text="That's a good point, thanks!" CreationDate="2017-03-06T17:51:04.590" UserId="59854" />
  <row Id="11928" PostId="4394" Score="3" Text="I agree, those look like multiple questions for multiple communities." CreationDate="2017-03-06T18:09:20.503" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11932" PostId="4395" Score="2" Text="It's a great example of a bad example" CreationDate="2017-03-07T16:54:25.830" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11933" PostId="4395" Score="0" Text="The goodness (or badness) of the original question has nothing to do with the fact that it was a mistake by the boss. The underlying question of &quot;what should I do if a candidate is late to an interview&quot; was fine." CreationDate="2017-03-07T18:07:01.527" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11934" PostId="4396" Score="1" Text="Agreed. bobo's a regular by now and I doubt he'd mind if we just generalised his question to match the original intent and to preserve the answers." CreationDate="2017-03-07T21:18:03.270" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11935" PostId="4396" Score="0" Text="As for the mod comment, I'm holding off on moving comments to chat since that's a one-off and with the question on hold and the HNQ tide temporarily over it's probably best to edit the question into shape first which will probably take quite a number of comments to arrange." CreationDate="2017-03-07T21:20:08.623" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11936" PostId="4398" Score="0" Text="yep, you're right. I've been participating so many years in stack overflow that I assumed this was for everyone, and not a feature unlocked. So I will have to gain here 1000 reputation ? That will be hard haha. Thanks!" CreationDate="2017-03-08T02:14:24.970" UserId="43790" />
  <row Id="11937" PostId="4398" Score="1" Text="@Gonzalo.- check out the extension I just added, it lets you view that everywhere." CreationDate="2017-03-08T02:14:48.850" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11938" PostId="4398" Score="0" Text="I will. Thanks again !" CreationDate="2017-03-08T02:15:58.743" UserId="43790" />
  <row Id="11945" PostId="4399" Score="0" Text="I was one of the original close votes.  Vote to reopen based on edits." CreationDate="2017-03-09T13:37:16.427" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11950" PostId="4400" Score="4" Text="I think the crossposting was unnecessary. He had what appears to be 2 different questions and should have put one in each place. SF isn't concerned about the ramifications from a workplace and we aren't concerned about the technical aspects. Were it to happen again, I'd just suggest 2 separate questions addressing the disparate issues.  That said, it's got 2 close votes and whether it'll actually get closed is questionable. Even so, I personally find the question to be  a good one (as edited) and will vote to reopen it, should that happen." CreationDate="2017-03-10T16:46:07.113" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11951" PostId="4400" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherEstep I was with you until you mentioned that it's a good question. How is &quot;*Does anyone have any experience working in such an environment? Should I get worried about my future here?*&quot; answerable in any meaningful way?" CreationDate="2017-03-10T19:24:40.540" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11952" PostId="4400" Score="0" Text="I was the first to comment on the cross posting and would not have VTC but the person argued rather than revise so I VTC." CreationDate="2017-03-12T17:35:54.140" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="11966" PostId="4403" Score="1" Text="related: [Can a question with an accepted answer be closed as unanswerable](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/258433/839601)" CreationDate="2017-03-14T14:37:39.083" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11972" PostId="4403" Score="1" Text="@gnat Thanks!  This was very helpful." CreationDate="2017-03-15T00:24:24.610" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12012" PostId="4403" Score="1" Text="Got me wondering as well now, how come if we close a question we don't also delete the votes? Wouldn't that make sense? It seems it would change the dynamics quite a bit." CreationDate="2017-03-17T09:55:50.140" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12036" PostId="4403" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi this is because one of the options for closed questions is improvement and reopening. System (and users) would go crazy if it had to remove-then-recover votes following close-reopen cycles. Deletion of votes happens only when question is deleted (on undeletion votes recover but this happens too rarely to matter)" CreationDate="2017-03-17T16:20:56.277" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12058" PostId="4403" Score="0" Text="@gnat No need to remove then recover votes I reckon, just delete them then if reopened do it as a fresh start would make more sense to me... but I don't really feel strongly one way or the other about it." CreationDate="2017-03-18T04:23:10.590" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11962" PostId="4404" Score="0" Text="Does closing a question remove it from the search results?  Does it actually remove it from the site?  I get the gist ( mostly ) of closing a question early on but I didn't get the point after an answer has been accepted." CreationDate="2017-03-14T12:17:17.390" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="11963" PostId="4404" Score="4" Text="Again I will have to turn the question around: why do we want to see &quot;unfit&quot; questions in search results? An accepted answer means nothing really ... a poor answer to a poor question could also get accepted. We don't want such questions to clutter the site. Closed question doesn't get deleted, it needs further delete votes from 3 users. I am also not sure closed questions are removed from search results, perhaps the search algorithm lowers their priority, but this is just a guess." CreationDate="2017-03-14T12:46:16.177" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11964" PostId="4404" Score="2" Text="In addition note that closure is not final, with 5 reopen votes, it could be reopened again. We have even had a number of close/reopen tennis matches here." CreationDate="2017-03-14T12:47:28.110" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11965" PostId="4405" Score="6" Text="&quot;in a perfect world people wouldn't answer questions that are destined to be closed.&quot; - isn't that asking people to predict the future? I guess in a perfect world we could predict everything." CreationDate="2017-03-14T14:31:20.240" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11967" PostId="4405" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I agree, although some questions are obviously bad and shouldn't be answered,  I've answered some that I felt were okay that later got closed. So I guess in a perfect world, we would all agree what's unclear, unanswerable, off topic, etc." CreationDate="2017-03-14T17:51:53.007" UserId="54765" />
  <row Id="11968" PostId="4405" Score="1" Text="@Kat - and I suspect that The Workplace is far from perfect (otherwise there would never be any questions destined for closure in the first place). The site is designed and gamified to reward people responding immediately. It allows a wide spectrum of questions, some of which may be closed and others that won't be closed. It's clearly not always possible to predict the final outcome of any question at all - made even more difficult by the possibility of editing the question to bring it on-topic even when it started out poorly. This is just the nature of The Workplace." CreationDate="2017-03-14T18:18:23.523" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11969" PostId="4405" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I agree that was unclear, I'd forgotten to submit an initial edit earlier but I've rephrased it now. To be clear, I'm only talking about obvious stuff. Usually a question that people are divided on can be made clearly on-topic with only minor edits. That said, when it comes to questions that lack a good scope or where the OP isn't clear on the situation/goal, I prefer to see people taking to the comments rather than posting half an answer. I've seen a great deal of improvement in that area in the past year though. The community seems much less reluctant to close, edit and reopen." CreationDate="2017-03-14T20:03:43.027" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11970" PostId="4405" Score="0" Text="The site is designed to encourage people to respond quickly and not to try and  guess if the question will eventually be closed or not. There's no incentive to hold back and little incentive to cast a Close vote. Thus, most questions get answers quickly and many are accepted. That makes the closing of such a question stand out, to the extent that some ask &quot;Why do we close questions which have accepted answers?&quot;. My answer: That's the way the system is designed." CreationDate="2017-03-14T20:09:03.460" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="11971" PostId="4405" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Unfortunately so yes, especially when it comes to questions that are HNQ material. Questions that remain &quot;in-house&quot; do seem to be edited more aggressively and receive higher quality answers. Though of course HNQ questions are often easier ones as well." CreationDate="2017-03-14T20:10:38.950" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11977" PostId="4405" Score="1" Text="The system itself isn't perfect.  How many close/re-open wars have there been?" CreationDate="2017-03-15T12:31:24.910" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11973" PostId="4406" Score="1" Text="Maybe I'm stupid, but I can't see anything in the &quot;Related&quot; sidebar which specifically refers to closing over downvoting - could you give a couple of more specific examples?" CreationDate="2017-03-15T08:43:34.610" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="11974" PostId="4406" Score="3" Text="&quot;Seriously people, when a question is net +300 between question and its answers, it's probably a good question.&quot; Eh no, not necessarily, popular is not the same as good. Also this site never claimed that it wants to keep *all* the good questions in the world." CreationDate="2017-03-15T09:35:51.140" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="11975" PostId="4406" Score="4" Text="You realise that popular doesn't automatically mean good right? The appeal to the masses is probably one of the oldest and most common fallacies. Have you read through the other questions on meta that cover this topic? It comes up about twice a year here. It's well known that HNQ breaks most community-based quality control." CreationDate="2017-03-15T09:37:45.220" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="11980" PostId="4406" Score="1" Text="I would had that not only does popular not equal good, good AND popular doesn't mean it's on topic. Topicality is the only reason for closure." CreationDate="2017-03-15T14:54:07.893" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="11981" PostId="4406" Score="0" Text="Standing by +100 Q with A's in the +50s and more are generally good questions, pedantry aside." CreationDate="2017-03-15T16:23:27.820" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12015" PostId="4406" Score="0" Text="A 'Good' question is relative to the viewers perspective on it." CreationDate="2017-03-17T10:06:23.410" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="11978" PostId="4408" Score="0" Text="I think you're generous with the 50% figure, but I guess it depends on the day. The review queue doesn't help, as it makes it easy to just close a question once the first person has marked it." CreationDate="2017-03-15T12:35:38.350" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="11979" PostId="4408" Score="0" Text="Well just now 13 of 48 &quot;front page&quot; questions were on hold. So not as bad as I've seen. But lots of those not yet closed questions have a number of close votes." CreationDate="2017-03-15T12:44:52.130" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12016" PostId="4408" Score="0" Text="Not all of us, I have perhaps voted to close about 4 questions since I got here. But it's easy to see what you mean." CreationDate="2017-03-17T10:13:14.897" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12026" PostId="4408" Score="0" Text="per my reading of [2016 year stats](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/289797/165773) Workplace is nothing special with regards to closing. Its percentage of closed questions is #5 from top - not very high really, and if you take into account that it is very closely followed by 5 more sites with almost the same percentage it looks just... routine" CreationDate="2017-03-17T15:26:59.533" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12049" PostId="4408" Score="1" Text="#5 out of 163. Top 3% or so. That's not very high? It puts us in the company of &quot;English Language and Usage&quot;, &quot;Christianity&quot;, &quot;Anime and Manga&quot; and &quot;Hardware Recommendations&quot;. It is what it is." CreationDate="2017-03-17T22:10:03.120" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12108" PostId="4408" Score="0" Text="yes there is nothing extraordinary. 9 other sites do the same and even have the same or higher percentage of closing. 20-30 more sites do just the same but happen to have slightly smaller percent of closing. Overall 30-40 sites are noticeably more active in closing than the rest of the network and Workplace is just one of these. This is too widespread to pretend that it's anything special" CreationDate="2017-03-25T10:17:17.803" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11984" PostId="4410" Score="28" Text="There's also the deleted law.se post about a bizarre chocolate factory accident." CreationDate="2017-03-16T17:52:48.277" UserId="5579" />
  <row Id="11985" PostId="4410" Score="4" Text="@CarlVeazey Someone's been channeling their inner Willie Wonka..?" CreationDate="2017-03-16T17:56:45.590" UserId="1187" />
  <row Id="11987" PostId="4410" Score="2" Text="Yeah, but he's an *entertaining* troll!! :P" CreationDate="2017-03-16T18:20:26.457" UserId="10387" />
  <row Id="11988" PostId="4410" Score="9" Text="@BradC My concern is that they are getting so much attention to their questions that they are wasting a lot of people's time. If there wasn't so much time wasting going on, I wouldn't care." CreationDate="2017-03-16T18:21:30.433" UserId="1187" />
  <row Id="11989" PostId="4410" Score="32" Text="Do we have a rule these questions need to be based on real events? If the questions are valid, I see no issue. Whoopee, they earned some reputation, that's going to help them in the future to do what? The user has bought some serious discussion to the workplace meta without any issues. I would leave the user be." CreationDate="2017-03-16T18:22:44.240" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11990" PostId="4410" Score="21" Text="@Draken Eh, exaggerated could-never-happen-in-real-life hypotheticals fall more into &quot;fun to discuss&quot; than &quot;this is practical advice that someone might someday need&quot;" CreationDate="2017-03-16T18:24:02.033" UserId="10387" />
  <row Id="11991" PostId="4410" Score="1" Text="@BradC The questions posted on workplace so far seem to be quite valid, some of the other stack exchange's questions I would argue that they are a bit odd. But the questions here are things that can happen, true not the same person, but the advice is suitable for several people." CreationDate="2017-03-16T18:25:29.810" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11992" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@MarkHenderson On another note, you might want to post about this on Stack Exchange meta (If you feel something should be done about this user), not sure how much coverage you would get here. Since the user has been doing their interesting questions across multiple stack exchanges" CreationDate="2017-03-16T18:39:01.417" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="11993" PostId="4410" Score="2" Text="@Draken Fair point re: meta. I posted it here because this is where most of the time has been sunk. The thing is, I'm not entirely sure that some of these situations _would_ apply, given how... contrived they are." CreationDate="2017-03-16T19:03:01.247" UserId="1187" />
  <row Id="11994" PostId="4410" Score="44" Text="Related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Moleman" CreationDate="2017-03-16T19:50:51.307" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11995" PostId="4410" Score="10" Text="see also: [Should anything be done about a user posting fake questions](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2126/168)" CreationDate="2017-03-16T20:17:17.580" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="11996" PostId="4410" Score="18" Text="The main problem I see with this is that some of the... situations described are rather contrived. That means that answers tend to be less generally useful and quite specific to the bizarre situation imagined by the OP. The [latest](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/87157) question is a good example of that, particularly with how he's channelling answers by suggesting ways to react. But at the same time the question is well written and things like &quot;I've thought of this but what are my options&quot; and &quot;how can I approach this?&quot; are things I love to see in questions. A tricky situation." CreationDate="2017-03-16T20:32:26.910" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12001" PostId="4410" Score="1" Text="I don't know. I can think of not one, but two (at *least*) people I know in real life whose personal timelines would make the misadventures of Mr. Moleman look rather mundane and unremarkable." CreationDate="2017-03-16T22:29:05.000" UserId="15912" />
  <row Id="12002" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="Related: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/14470/what-is-the-boat-programming-meme-about" CreationDate="2017-03-16T22:52:08.223" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="12003" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="Fwiw the first (Jan 17) and most recent (Mar 16) events are believable. In fact the last one happened to me and I had a similar emotional roller coaster when I realised the problem. I've even given talks at meetups about it. But everything in between has the taste of absurdity." CreationDate="2017-03-16T23:00:48.777" UserId="1187" />
  <row Id="12004" PostId="4410" Score="3" Text="This user is totally gaming us for reputation points.  The first one I would buy, but the rest...come on...." CreationDate="2017-03-16T23:19:34.040" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12007" PostId="4410" Score="3" Text="Thanks everyone, but this is not for some internet points as I can't exchange them for anything. It appears I have a following as well, though some people are rather upset. Yes, not all of these events happened in chronological order. Some of them happened on the same day as I posted and because I had such good responses, I shared other questions to see if I did the right thing in hopes others will look for them when they have similar situations." CreationDate="2017-03-16T23:37:38.877" UserId="62992" />
  <row Id="12011" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="if memory serves a while ago at Programmers there was a user who exploited HNQ by posting reworded versions of old popular questions. I think they dropped this habit after discovering that community learned about their trick" CreationDate="2017-03-17T06:04:02.617" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12014" PostId="4410" Score="3" Text="it's not wasted time if you're thinking of how to resolve a problem and exercising your intellect, and therefore not currently engaged in surfing more dodgy sites." CreationDate="2017-03-17T10:01:44.677" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12017" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@HansMoleman good point regarding the fact that you cannot exchange them, but that doesn't mean they don't mean anything.  Part of the attraction of the stack is to help others while building your reputation.  I will be much more careful in terms of whose questions I spend my time on.  That's really all that can be done." CreationDate="2017-03-17T11:27:47.710" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12019" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 I'm confused, how does the boat question relate to this one?" CreationDate="2017-03-17T12:03:41.113" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12021" PostId="4410" Score="1" Text="@DavidK I guess [this answer over there relates](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/14493/165773): &quot;it was featured on the podcast... This caused the question, which was performing poorly, to get a number of very good answers. Unfortunately, Jeff later learned that it was a joke question, deleted it, and posted on the blog asking users to refrain from posting questions like these in the future...&quot; (given that at the moment of close &quot;$64,000&quot; question was firmly sitting at #1 in HNQ list the analogy feels quite close)..." CreationDate="2017-03-17T13:17:23.357" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12022" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="...[Trouble With Popularity](https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7525/31260), business as usual" CreationDate="2017-03-17T13:20:14.397" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12023" PostId="4410" Score="21" Text="Something I've been mulling over is the importance of preserving the integrity of the Workplace as a helpful resource. While these types of questions might be amusing, the point of The Workplace isn't to amuse but to help people. I'd much rather see a site that is &quot;boring&quot; but helpful than full of questions like these that are entertaining but useless. And let's be honest, most of the questions that make a list like this are very, _very_ specific to the asker at best." CreationDate="2017-03-17T14:23:42.753" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12024" PostId="4410" Score="1" Text="@enderland if memory serves [jmac](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/users/7945/jmac) was also mulling about this when he was &quot;just&quot; a Workplace moderator. Incidentally his mulling seem to be stopped after he became a salaried employee of Stack Exchange. That could probably make an interesting (and _real_, not fake) Workplace question" CreationDate="2017-03-17T14:44:38.097" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12032" PostId="4410" Score="1" Text="see also: [Why was this question about handling the fallout a crass joke deleted?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4415/168) &quot;several questions asked within the past few weeks had all been created by the same person, running multiple accounts and creating these scenarios - and associated &quot;personalities&quot; to go with them - for the purpose of trolling the community here...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-03-17T15:47:49.133" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12043" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="It seems to me like just answering the questions as though they are genuine is both more interesting and more likely to help someone in the future who actually does have a similar problem than trying to dig into their veracity, assuming each individual question is at least somewhat plausible." CreationDate="2017-03-17T19:00:54.903" UserId="25920" />
  <row Id="12044" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@Casey this approach has already tried before: &quot;we discovered that these posts... truly _start to drown out everything else on the site_... it's too addictive and too easy, and in the absence of any moderation, the community would do nothing but add and upvote the easy, fun stuff. This is why community moderators have real power...&quot; ([The Trouble With Popularity](https://blog.stackexchange.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/))" CreationDate="2017-03-17T19:30:55.727" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12045" PostId="4410" Score="12" Text="given the bizarre nature of real life, disbelief is poor indicator of truth" CreationDate="2017-03-17T19:46:26.177" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12046" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@gnat I disagree; it seems to me that that's describing a different problem -- letting people ask whatever kind of questions they want.  But here we're talking about whether to delete questions that would definitely be in-scope if they were genuine over doubts over their veracity.  It just does not seem analogous to allowing &quot;what's your favorite programming language?&quot; kind of questions." CreationDate="2017-03-17T20:02:47.397" UserId="25920" />
  <row Id="12048" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@Casey do you believe that real &quot;boring&quot; workplace issues have any chance to compete against _plausible inventions_. Day 1: slept with my manager, now they want to promote me, what do I do. Day 2: had sex in office toilet and colleague noticed, how to save my career. Day 3: lost million dollars when riding on my bike to work presentation, my whole life is on stake now." CreationDate="2017-03-17T21:38:48.967" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12056" PostId="4410" Score="13" Text="I think a more interesting question to ask is why this elaborate troll has been so successful. What does that say about the sort of questions we're accepting?" CreationDate="2017-03-18T00:22:15.610" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="12060" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@BoundaryImposition even when we don't accept them this doesn't really help because system is designed in a way that allows troll questions gain enough upvotes and views before close. See eg [At smaller sites, penalize hot questions having 3-4 close votes](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/237391/165773) (feature request that hangs ignored for more than 2 and half years now" CreationDate="2017-03-18T05:36:25.463" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12065" PostId="4410" Score="17" Text="Anyone willing to volunteer to go over to the Movies and TV Stack and ask an identification question based on these stories? That's a lot of creative juice spent on getting SE rep. I can't see myself trying to invent all these stories from scratch." CreationDate="2017-03-18T13:23:35.743" UserId="35944" />
  <row Id="12066" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@gnat Not only do I believe that, I believe that there are people genuinely out there with whatever plausible &quot;crazy&quot; question someone posts and it's in keeping with the purpose of the site to allow such questions to be answered for their benefit down the road." CreationDate="2017-03-18T18:08:45.033" UserId="25920" />
  <row Id="12067" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@Casey history of two other Stack Exchange sites has shown that things don't work this way (SO and Programmers). &quot;The stuff spreads like kudzu...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-03-18T19:40:27.587" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12068" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@gnat Again, I reject your claim that these situations are analogous.  It's hard to even imagine what an analogous question on SO would look like, given the nature of the site." CreationDate="2017-03-18T22:29:13.853" UserId="25920" />
  <row Id="12069" PostId="4410" Score="1" Text="@Casey one example was referred just few comments ago ([boat programming](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4410/whats-the-story-with-this-user?noredirect=1#comment12021_4410), it even made it into meme). Hard to imagine, that's for sure: SO got rid of entertaining questions 7 or 8 years ago. If you're interested [a bit of this ancient history is here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/200144/165773)" CreationDate="2017-03-19T05:24:33.500" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12070" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="...last time I remember attempt at entertaining question at SO was over 3 years ago. It got wildly popular, caused much meta drama and was rather quickly deleted, see [Dealing with “Find out who's going to buy the croissants”](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/190106/165773)" CreationDate="2017-03-19T07:00:40.193" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12071" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="This won't be a popular comment, but: Q: Why Workplace.SE has relatively many persistent fake-question writers? A: Because Workplace.SE's behaviour creates them. Some call it the most un-friendly &quot;community&quot; on SE..." CreationDate="2017-03-19T20:37:00.513" UserId="20888" />
  <row Id="12076" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="I don't know, I kinda love this guy. The only troublesome part is that most of the stories are so dramatic that people are expressing genuine sympathy and feelbads." CreationDate="2017-03-20T12:15:57.497" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="12078" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@gnat How is &quot;how do I prepare for programming at sea&quot; an on-topic question for SO, even if it's a sincere question?  Again, the difference here is that these questions are on-topic and would be totally fine if they were true, and in isolation they're not totally implausible." CreationDate="2017-03-20T13:54:27.550" UserId="25920" />
  <row Id="12079" PostId="4410" Score="11" Text="@deviantfan I'm genuinely curious.  What is the basis for your comment.  I've personally found this one of the more welcoming SE sites." CreationDate="2017-03-20T17:51:59.457" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12080" PostId="4410" Score="9" Text="@deviantfan - Citation Needed" CreationDate="2017-03-20T18:20:08.293" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12092" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="@deviantfan Please share your source...as it isn't obvious to us how you can backup your comment." CreationDate="2017-03-22T15:09:28.853" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12098" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="I agree with @Richard. This place is pretty friendly, particularly in SE terms!" CreationDate="2017-03-23T19:58:06.570" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="12099" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="Maybe the questions are being asked on behalf of someone else. Maybe the poster is just curious about how certain situations should be handled. Why is this important? As long as the questions are on topic, why do the questions have to pertain to an actual real event that the OP would have experienced?" CreationDate="2017-03-23T22:43:27.080" UserId="46028" />
  <row Id="12101" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="I feel very disturbed that people think this is even an issue. _Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat_. Sure, it seems very unlikely but can you prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is fabricating his stories? Also, who cares if its fabricated? Surely, the answers will be of use to a lot of people." CreationDate="2017-03-24T05:04:46.687" UserId="26308" />
  <row Id="12102" PostId="4410" Score="1" Text="@Xiagua that's the point: the answers are not _hugely_ useful. And it is an issue because they are wasting people's time and setting a dangerous precedent around &quot;outrageous but improbable&quot; stories" CreationDate="2017-03-24T10:40:44.777" UserId="1187" />
  <row Id="12113" PostId="4410" Score="9" Text="Given the last post was on Mar 16, maybe they had a spectacular St Patrick's Day scenario involving chocolate, the boss's daughter, their stock millions and God knows what else..." CreationDate="2017-03-26T01:53:23.450" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="12126" PostId="4410" Score="12" Text="@deviantfan Some call SO the most un-friendly community on SE. Also physics, parenting, skeptics, and scifi.  I suspect the list is much, much longer than that, but generally anyone who is upset because their question was &quot;wrongfully&quot; closed, or who disagrees with an established rule, or who otherwise has a bone to pick with moderation (elected/appointed, or community action) tends to call that particular community &quot;the most un-friendly&quot; in the SE network." CreationDate="2017-03-27T17:39:03.273" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="12136" PostId="4410" Score="1" Text="For some reason the questions **vaguely** remind me of the TV series &quot;The Office&quot;. They're ridiculous and I don't believe, in their current format, they would really offer any use to other users. I think this person's a troll." CreationDate="2017-03-28T15:49:39.527" UserId="60246" />
  <row Id="15046" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Should anything be done about a user posting fake questions](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2126/should-anything-be-done-about-a-user-posting-fake-questions)" CreationDate="2018-03-30T16:00:53.543" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="19918" PostId="4410" Score="0" Text="Damn, Mark! Now I 'm going to lose a whole day reading all of Hans' posts on all of our sites. Why spread them around? Couldn't he just have a blog or a podcast or a youtweet channel or somesuch?" CreationDate="2019-08-13T06:51:56.173" UserId="20979" />
  <row Id="11998" PostId="4412" Score="5" Text="I... don't think I've ever even noticed those before." CreationDate="2017-03-16T21:58:31.867" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="11999" PostId="4412" Score="0" Text="Well, sure, but I'd probably rather see them gone than moved to the left..." CreationDate="2017-03-16T22:01:53.337" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12000" PostId="4412" Score="1" Text="@enderland I only noticed them because [they give bunny ears to avatars on the profile activity page](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/users/2322/enderland?tab=topactivity)." CreationDate="2017-03-16T22:12:38.163" UserId="15912" />
  <row Id="12008" PostId="4412" Score="3" Text="@JasonC what has been seen __CANNOT BE UNSEEN__. That's actually pretty funny, I don't know how I never saw that before..." CreationDate="2017-03-16T23:44:10.400" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12009" PostId="4412" Score="2" Text="Oh geez, *thanks*.  Can't be unseen, indeed!" CreationDate="2017-03-17T02:34:42.043" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12010" PostId="4412" Score="8" Text="If they change it, though, they should do it only on main, such that meta *is* the back side of the page." CreationDate="2017-03-17T02:35:41.317" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12013" PostId="4412" Score="0" Text="those are paperclips!?" CreationDate="2017-03-17T09:58:16.850" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12018" PostId="4412" Score="2" Text="In Arabic and Hebrew they are most certainly in the correct place. [meta-tag:status-declined]" CreationDate="2017-03-17T11:29:38.733" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="12029" PostId="4412" Score="7" Text="@Lilienthal But if you remove them, the site will fall apart." CreationDate="2017-03-17T15:38:38.027" UserId="15912" />
  <row Id="12042" PostId="4412" Score="0" Text="Im not sure that the standard should apply to digial paperclips though..." CreationDate="2017-03-17T18:32:35.253" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12050" PostId="4412" Score="1" Text="+1 Please fix! Literally unvisitable!" CreationDate="2017-03-17T22:30:09.153" UserId="58733" />
  <row Id="12084" PostId="4412" Score="0" Text="@Oded Then you have to fix a different problem. In Arabic and Hebrew, other things, such as the submit buttons, the voting buttons and vote count, etc. should be to the right, and the sidebar should be to the left." CreationDate="2017-03-21T09:08:08.483" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12025" PostId="4414" Score="4" Text="Just speculation but judging by the account being deleted - it's possible the user requested the post be deleted, and thereafter deleted his account. Possibly to avoid further trouble at the office" CreationDate="2017-03-17T15:23:42.427" UserId="42979" />
  <row Id="12027" PostId="4414" Score="2" Text="Comments also seemed to be devolving quickly into an argument about the appropriateness of her clothing, as well, which is a derail at best." CreationDate="2017-03-17T15:27:40.813" UserId="10387" />
  <row Id="12030" PostId="4414" Score="2" Text="[Trolls in our Halls...](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/214061/165773)" CreationDate="2017-03-17T15:46:02.693" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12037" PostId="4414" Score="0" Text="There have been several troll for points type questions recently by a couple of users.  I am glad they are being cleaned up.  I lost over 100 points rep today myself, but I don't really care about the points if junk questions are removed." CreationDate="2017-03-17T16:24:37.513" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12038" PostId="4414" Score="2" Text="I lost over 1200 rep from a good-faith answer to one of those (before the pattern became apparent).  I'm not the only one, for sure -- lots of people put in effort trying to help people solve what we thought were real problems. That sucks, but leaving these up so the poster can point and snicker at us isn't good either." CreationDate="2017-03-17T16:27:52.073" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12039" PostId="4414" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio Is there an option to delete the garbage while retain the reputation earned by your efforts?" CreationDate="2017-03-17T16:52:13.653" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12040" PostId="4414" Score="3" Text="@MisterPositive one keeps the reputation for the post even if it eventually gets deleted [if it has score of 3 or greater and was visible on the site for at least 60 days](http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/reputation-and-historical-archives/)" CreationDate="2017-03-17T16:59:34.927" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12047" PostId="4414" Score="5" Text="I would also point out: &quot;favourites&quot; are as often used by people to keep track of a bad question, as they are by people noting a good question. Voting pattern is not a good indicator of popularity (because HNQ, and UV is available long before DV), not an indicator at all of topicality, and &quot;favourites&quot; is not an indicator of anything except how many people clicked the star." CreationDate="2017-03-17T21:20:40.203" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="12057" PostId="4414" Score="2" Text="@Nij Indeed, I think &quot;bookmark&quot; is a better name for what is now known as &quot;favourites&quot;. I &quot;favourite&quot; questions not necessarily because that is the best question I have read in my lifetime, but because I want to come back to it later for one or the other reason. It is also a broader term which encompasses &quot;favourites&quot; in a sense." CreationDate="2017-03-18T03:07:57.187" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12031" PostId="4415" Score="12" Text="Good investigative work, and thanks for letting the community know." CreationDate="2017-03-17T15:46:28.770" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12033" PostId="4415" Score="5" Text="wonder how many of deleted troll questions went HNQ. This probably can be relatively easy discovered by 10K users with [Passant's trick](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/297669/839601) (&quot;when you google the question for an exact phrase of the question title then you'll see hits at physics.stackexchange.com, serverfault.com, unix.stackexchange.com, stats.stackexchange.com and tex.stackexchange.com...&quot;)" CreationDate="2017-03-17T15:54:39.640" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12034" PostId="4415" Score="7" Text="Probably all of them. But the real cost here is in the time, mental energy, and goodwill to the folks who took the time to edit and answer assuming good faith." CreationDate="2017-03-17T16:00:44.907" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="12035" PostId="4415" Score="0" Text="I see, thanks. [Trouble With Popularity](https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7525/31260), business as usual." CreationDate="2017-03-17T16:11:20.810" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12041" PostId="4415" Score="7" Text="Thank you Shog9 for your help.  I know its your job but what you do matters to us." CreationDate="2017-03-17T17:38:03.740" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12059" PostId="4415" Score="1" Text="Why on earth would someone go to that much effort?" CreationDate="2017-03-18T04:31:35.693" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12061" PostId="4415" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi why would they not? When they get so much attention, answers, views, upvotes, comments - doesn't it feel good. Getting all of this &quot;in exchange&quot; of few minutes of typing what's in their head sounds like a good deal. Note that all of this feedback is mostly positive which likely makes them think they are doing the right thing" CreationDate="2017-03-18T07:09:43.730" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12062" PostId="4415" Score="3" Text="...it is a matter of [entertainment](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/220099/165773) isn't it" CreationDate="2017-03-18T07:16:55.147" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12063" PostId="4415" Score="1" Text="@gnat ah well. to each their own I guess, I don't see a need to make up questions or have multiple accounts to do  that. But maybe that's why most of the feedback I get is negative. I thought it's just because negative comments tends to be more vocal." CreationDate="2017-03-18T07:19:29.400" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12077" PostId="4415" Score="7" Text="@Kilisi when I was young, I would do such things for the LULZ, especially if I thought a place was being run by a jerk.  I ended up shutting down a few forums, back in the day.  Not proud of that fact and certainly wouldn't do it today.  A lack of maturity, boredom, and free time is all the excuse anyone needs." CreationDate="2017-03-20T13:21:03.777" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12073" PostId="4416" Score="3" Text="I've closed this here since it's a site-wide issue that's [already been reported on Meta StackExchange.](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/290401/how-to-ask-questions-in-private-beta-is-listed-in-every-site-s-help-centre)" CreationDate="2017-03-20T09:40:02.650" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12074" PostId="4416" Score="1" Text="Thank you @Lilienthal. I didn't see that." CreationDate="2017-03-20T09:43:33.413" UserId="43555" />
  <row Id="12081" PostId="4417" Score="0" Text="&quot;We will fix this when the paper clips stop you from turning the page&quot; - LOL! Is that a planned enhancement?" CreationDate="2017-03-20T18:21:03.520" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12082" PostId="4417" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere - just waiting for the HTML specification to catch up!" CreationDate="2017-03-20T20:08:13.697" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="12083" PostId="4417" Score="2" Text="That doesn't really answer anything, does it? Of course, the OP knows those are paper clips, he is asking *why* it is by design, when it would be better (in his opinion) to have it on the left. Why exactly can the paper clips not be moved to the left?" CreationDate="2017-03-21T09:05:35.383" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12085" PostId="4417" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan - why should they?" CreationDate="2017-03-21T09:18:01.400" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="12086" PostId="4417" Score="1" Text="For the reasons mentioned in the OP's question. Isn't that what the question was about? Just to be clear on this, I don't care where the clips are, just that this answer doesn't adequately address the OP's question (even though he has &quot;accepted&quot; it)." CreationDate="2017-03-21T10:55:41.717" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12087" PostId="4417" Score="4" Text="@MaskedMan - the answer is &quot;that's how it was designed&quot;. You may not find that much of an answer, but that's really all there is to it. The designer who created the designer has left the company, so not something we can get more insight into (at a guess, I'd say it is better on the right because being on the left would disturb the visual hierarchy of the page)." CreationDate="2017-03-21T10:58:03.603" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="12088" PostId="4417" Score="1" Text="While that does explain why they are on the right, it doesn't answer why the design cannot be changed. The OP says the clips are on the &quot;wrong&quot; side, which implies asking why it cannot be moved to the correct side. Your &quot;guess&quot; does answer that." CreationDate="2017-03-21T11:06:31.050" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12089" PostId="4417" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan the OP tagged this [meta-tag:bug], and this answer says it's not a bug.  &quot;We're not going to fix that&quot; is a valid response to bug reports -- maybe not the one you *want*, but valid." CreationDate="2017-03-21T18:43:28.947" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12100" PostId="4417" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio Alright, I didn't notice the bug tag. I thought the OP was asking for a feature-request. From the description, it seemed that's what his intention was." CreationDate="2017-03-24T03:46:57.180" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12281" PostId="4419" Score="4" Text="&quot;And even if you grandfather a few in&quot; ... and yet, that is exactly what they do on SO, with a bazillion questions of &quot;historical significance but not good on-topic questions&quot;. Perhaps SO could be renamed to Calvinball. :)" CreationDate="2017-04-18T17:00:23.163" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12410" PostId="4419" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan: Historical lock is intended for the specific purpose of *halting* a particular question and *discouraging* imitators. It is precisely the opposite of &quot;grandfathering in&quot;, and was designed from the ground up to stop exactly this class of questions." CreationDate="2017-05-14T22:01:54.197" UserId="31885" />
  <row Id="12413" PostId="4419" Score="3" Text="@Nathan Sounds like grandfathering to me. Why haven't these questions been deleted if they are not meant to be on-topic or good questions on SO? If the question did not exist already and were to be asked now, it would be deleted. (Example: &quot;what is the funniest comment in source code?&quot; or whatever) Deleting such questions drastically reduces their visibility, and even people who can see it have no chance to use that as an excuse to imitate such questions." CreationDate="2017-05-15T01:08:47.910" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12414" PostId="4419" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan: Only people who deliberately misread the historical lock message can use those questions as excuses to ask similar questions, since the message *explicitly says* they are not models of good questions. In bold text, even. SO is perfectly willing to let people who willfully misread instructions ask their way straight into a q-block, since they will do so anyway. (Only some questions are histo-locked, even if they're quite old; if they're not all that notable, they're simply deleted.)" CreationDate="2017-05-15T01:22:21.300" UserId="31885" />
  <row Id="12415" PostId="4419" Score="0" Text="@Nathan ... and why aren't those questions deleted if they are not models of good questions? If &quot;other&quot; bad questions (that is, questions not modeled on &quot;those&quot; questions) are asked now, then those are deleted. That is the whole point of &quot;grandfathering&quot;, or in other words, bad questions asked after X date will be deleted, but before X date, we will just put one &quot;historical&quot; note and keep them around." CreationDate="2017-05-15T03:48:06.600" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12416" PostId="4419" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan: There isn't really a fixed date. What matters is that the question somehow managed to do a decent job of creating something useful despite the dangerous formulation. Only unusually useful Q&amp;A combos are kept. So: they aren't *deleted* because they're actually useful, quite dramatically so, and deleting is unpleasant in such cases; they aren't *left open* because that encourages imitators (or at least post facto rationalizing). Questions that are *actually* bad in all respects get shown the door no matter their age." CreationDate="2017-05-15T04:01:00.420" UserId="31885" />
  <row Id="20887" PostId="4419" Score="0" Text="`And even if you grandfather a few in, you’ll enjoy neverending requests asking why their fun question or answer has to be removed, while this one over here is allowed to remain`: Hell yes. Example: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/199302/131956" CreationDate="2019-12-30T18:53:47.797" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="12093" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="Voted to reopen." CreationDate="2017-03-23T04:28:42.053" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12094" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="It's a bit broad but seems answerable." CreationDate="2017-03-23T09:36:52.820" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12095" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="Part of the question has been removed for some reason. It used to say &quot;This issue has already been addressed with my manager, who will deal with it.&quot; Given that actually happened, I don't see what answerable question remains." CreationDate="2017-03-23T11:18:25.507" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12097" PostId="4420" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I agree with you;  I cannot see an answerable question either.  Looks like its been reopened anyway.  The power of the community..." CreationDate="2017-03-23T18:29:35.747" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12109" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="Wouldn't it make more sense to ask it in &quot;How to keep the customer amiable when a colleague is rude to them and how to address the colleague behavior to ensure decreased rudeness in the future?  Those at least are two goals instead of a general situation...just a thought..." CreationDate="2017-03-25T19:32:26.490" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="12110" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="@mutt I guess, I just personally am really not finding a lot of difficulty in understanding this question." CreationDate="2017-03-25T22:36:11.090" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12111" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="The question understanding is fine, it's just worded open ended.  I was responding to Joe's comment as adding what resolution there is desired scopes the goal of the question.  You could slap your colleague which would certainly &quot;stop them&quot; but not productive...what is the end goal?  Regardless whatever everyone wants is fine :)" CreationDate="2017-03-26T00:00:33.313" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="12115" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="@djechlin You don't need to edit the title. One of the moderators will tag it status-completed." CreationDate="2017-03-26T06:57:07.750" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12116" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan there's a bunch in the sidebar that aren't, and one that does the title edit." CreationDate="2017-03-26T15:10:57.253" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12117" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="Right then you should consider fixing or reporting those." CreationDate="2017-03-26T16:55:19.583" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12118" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan so should you? lol" CreationDate="2017-03-26T17:30:34.857" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12119" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan editing the title is fine.  The status-complete tag is really intended for bug reports and feature requests.  For reopening (or closing) a question, editing the title is probably better -- after all, the question might bet closed (or reopened) again in the future, at which point the status tag is wrong." CreationDate="2017-03-26T19:44:32.463" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12122" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Ok, then that was a mistake on my part. I saw moderators put that tag on a number of such questions so I had assumed that was the right approach." CreationDate="2017-03-27T01:07:32.297" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12124" PostId="4420" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan no worries; it got that way over time and, now that it's clear that we have more than a few of these, I'm trying to apply course correction.  I understand how flaggers got the idea that this is the preferred method." CreationDate="2017-03-27T02:02:25.567" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12120" PostId="4423" Score="1" Text="As a bonus, editing the status into the title and/or the body is actually a visible change and helps avoid wasting time for people who get to a thread late. Even the special tags are very easy to miss." CreationDate="2017-03-26T22:07:34.530" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12121" PostId="4423" Score="0" Text="Ok I think that was a mistake on my part then. It would be better if the moderators don't put those tags on *any* question to avoid confusing people. Since some moderators put those tags on some questions, I had assumed that that was the way to handle those questions. The alternative to add an answer and &quot;accept&quot; it requires to wait for the OP. The other alternative seems ok, but looks jarring since that &quot;tag&quot; in the title has nothing to do with the question being asked." CreationDate="2017-03-27T01:05:49.000" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12123" PostId="4423" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan don't worry about it or feel bad; it's been a chaotic process over time and I'm now trying to rein it in, so it's not going to be completely consistent." CreationDate="2017-03-27T02:01:15.173" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12149" PostId="4423" Score="8" Text="Could we tag this question Status-Complete?" CreationDate="2017-03-29T17:23:56.500" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12154" PostId="4423" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings, naw, status-deferred." CreationDate="2017-04-04T13:55:00.550" UserId="66074" />
  <row Id="12407" PostId="4423" Score="1" Text="I think this is the only site where this standard tag is not used, and a meta &quot;tag&quot; is inserted into the question title (which is expressly discouraged at the end of the [relevant help page](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/tagging))." CreationDate="2017-05-13T21:44:38.227" UserId="17837" />
  <row Id="12408" PostId="4423" Score="0" Text="@AndrewLeach could you point me to a few examples of other sites using the status tags for requests for community actions (close and reopen, especially)?  I'm used to the status tags being used only or things that require an action from a moderator or SE, which are usually support or feature-request questions." CreationDate="2017-05-14T02:41:03.720" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14405" PostId="4423" Score="0" Text="Well, we do this in ELU. [status-] tags can be *combined* with other tags like [bug] or [feature-request], but there's no reason they cannot also stand alone or with a &quot;non-pink&quot; tag like [reopen-request]. Moderators are generally happy to respond to a Meta flag requesting such a tag, if they don't add it *motu proprio*." CreationDate="2017-12-09T10:15:27.957" UserId="17837" />
  <row Id="12125" PostId="4424" Score="16" Text="Some say &quot;you can't make this stuff up&quot;. I say &quot;it sure looks like you can&quot;." CreationDate="2017-03-27T16:31:19.493" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12409" PostId="4424" Score="4" Text="For the record, if I posted a list of every bad work decision and every weird situation I'd ever come across it would put this user's efforts to shame. To. Shame." CreationDate="2017-05-14T20:40:37.340" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="12419" PostId="4424" Score="4" Text="I don't see the point of this answer, or of saying 'Of the ten outrageous stories, the first five, taken in isolation, seem believable.' Clearly the earlier questions form part of a pattern with the later questions." CreationDate="2017-05-15T10:24:17.107" UserId="9964" />
  <row Id="12130" PostId="4425" Score="3" Text="Be careful not to assign too much importance to the top answer on a 3-year old thread with only just over a hundred views. That said, a lot of what is said on this (also somewhat dated) thread applies to hypothetical questions as well: [Should anything be done about a user posting fake questions](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2126/should-anything-be-done-about-a-user-posting-fake-questions)" CreationDate="2017-03-27T21:13:17.347" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12131" PostId="4425" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal The whole point of this question was to avoid assigning too much importance to that answer :)" CreationDate="2017-03-27T21:29:47.920" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="12132" PostId="4425" Score="3" Text="&quot;I had placed a comment explaining the origins of my question, but the question then got edited to mention in the first sentence that it was hypothetical.&quot; - I edited the question to make its background clear. We are always told that comments are temporary and may be removed at any time. Questions that require comments or footnotes for clarification by definition aren't clear enough. I was trying to help clarify your question for you." CreationDate="2017-03-27T22:56:26.670" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12133" PostId="4425" Score="0" Text="One thing that probably factors into this is that there have been quite a few joke questions recently, in fact that question has spawned at least _two_ &quot;followup&quot; questions." CreationDate="2017-03-28T00:29:21.853" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12134" PostId="4425" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I understand that is what you were trying to do. However, the result was the opposite. The focus became the fact it was hypothetical. Much like Lilienthal's edit of this question turned it from a generic policy discussion to being at least partly about my specific question." CreationDate="2017-03-28T11:12:22.130" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="12143" PostId="4426" Score="2" Text="The fact this question is hypothetical is an artifact. It is an exact counterbalance to a real highly voted question. When I got there its counter-balance was called out so that you could tell and so fill in all details from the other one. All answers for the highly voted question are deeply flawed, and the hypothetical question merely makes this obvious. In theory you could convert all the answers into answers for the hypothetical, but they're terrible answers there. In fact they were terrible before, but perspective hid the fact." CreationDate="2017-03-29T02:19:45.480" UserId="29374" />
  <row Id="12148" PostId="4426" Score="1" Text="@Joshua - And that is the problem with HNQ for a number of users including myself.  That question should have been off topic since it was asking for a general course of action(What should I do) instead of a guidance on dealing with a specific issue anyway." CreationDate="2017-03-29T17:22:28.457" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12137" PostId="4427" Score="6" Text="Do you perhaps have examples of questions that got lambasted just for being spinoffs? In general I would say that there's nothing wrong with a question being inspired by another provided the question can stand on its own merits." CreationDate="2017-03-28T16:31:19.630" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12138" PostId="4427" Score="3" Text="@Lilienthal There was one question which triggered two spinoffs yesterday, one of which got a few upvotes and answers, the other got deleted. This was the &quot;inspiring&quot; question: [Dealing with an employee that went over my head](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/87906/3192). This was the 1st &quot;spinoff&quot; question: [How should I go over my supervisor's head (before I've even started) without creating a bad impression?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/87921/3192). The deleted question was asked from the &quot;manager's manager's&quot; perspective, but I didn't save a link to that." CreationDate="2017-03-28T16:35:24.843" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12139" PostId="4427" Score="3" Text="Update: Found the deleted question (visible to 10K+ users only): [I approved a new hire's working hours change request without checking with his supervisor. How should I fix this?](http://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/87927/3192)" CreationDate="2017-03-28T16:39:08.413" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12140" PostId="4427" Score="5" Text="I'm waiting for the inevitable &quot;How do I deal with a new colleague who went over the supervisor's head?&quot; question." CreationDate="2017-03-28T19:10:03.323" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12144" PostId="4427" Score="1" Text="related : see Shog's answer https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4414/why-was-this-question-about-handling-the-fallout-of-a-crass-joke-deleted" CreationDate="2017-03-29T07:30:51.683" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="12145" PostId="4427" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat Nothing to see there. It has to do with sockpuppets who post fake questions for rep-whoring. A spinoff question is still based on a real scenario." CreationDate="2017-03-29T08:13:43.120" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12146" PostId="4427" Score="4" Text="I think that all the points still apply : *You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face.* (OK)&#xA;*...this doesn't necessarily mean the question has to be your problem, it should just be a real problem*. (OK) *Above all, be honest.* (NOK) If a question is really make you wonder how it should have been handled from another point of view, the minimum of honesty is to link it. And it has to stand on its own however a question which was inspired from another may become unclear because the first gave only the proper context from his point of view." CreationDate="2017-03-29T08:46:54.407" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="12147" PostId="4427" Score="1" Text="If you go through the hypothetical example as well the real example (which is currently in comments, but I will edit it into the question later), those questions are good enough to stand on their own. They were only deleted because some people did not &quot;like&quot; them due to remembering another similar question. If you look at those two (now deleted) questions without remembering the &quot;inspiring&quot; question, you would have to find an (unsatisfactory) excuse to delete them." CreationDate="2017-03-29T10:37:14.737" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12186" PostId="4427" Score="0" Text="...Why the gratuitous hatred towards the HNQ? It's so full of fun and unexpected adventures and... wait, are you my employer?" CreationDate="2017-04-10T15:51:29.823" UserId="53782" />
  <row Id="12187" PostId="4427" Score="1" Text="@xDaizu [This answer](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4208/3192) covers some of my concerns. [Garbage attracts more garbage](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4186/3192), as we have seen over and over and over again. 4 out of 10 &quot;questions&quot; in the sidebar garbage are &quot;guess this sh**&quot; or &quot;Did Donald Trump say this sh**?&quot;, with no filtering options. So-called community managers calling it [&quot;entertainment&quot;](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/220099/202356) doesn't help either. Also, contact [gnat](https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/165773/gnat) for more details.:P" CreationDate="2017-04-10T16:36:41.280" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12141" PostId="4428" Score="0" Text="Related: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4425/2322" CreationDate="2017-03-29T02:09:40.487" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12142" PostId="4428" Score="0" Text="Well, related yes. But destroying the hypothetical and leaving the point it called unaddressed is really bad. I can't give a better answer to the question than given, but even leaving this obvious counter question with only bad answers makes the fact the high-voted answers are incomplete obvious." CreationDate="2017-03-29T02:14:56.207" UserId="29374" />
  <row Id="12153" PostId="4431" Score="1" Text="+1 for &quot;If you are going to do this, be up front about it, and explain why you are interested in the answer from that side.&quot; If a question admits up front that it is inspired from another post, I am much more likely to try and help the question rather than close it." CreationDate="2017-04-04T12:24:28.880" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12155" PostId="4435" Score="0" Text="That's... interesting. I've pinged a SE Community Manager to see if they know anything, my _guess_ is they guessed your email based on your username? I know that's happened before, ie username@majoremails.com type of setup." CreationDate="2017-04-05T15:07:34.840" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12156" PostId="4435" Score="0" Text="@enderland My username does not match my email. Maybe if I logged in/linked my SE account through Google/G+?" CreationDate="2017-04-05T15:09:15.867" UserId="50433" />
  <row Id="12157" PostId="4435" Score="1" Text="@dfundako unless you've publicised your email address somewhere on the network no one without a diamond or database access should be able to see any credentials you have associated with your account." CreationDate="2017-04-05T15:29:36.633" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="12158" PostId="4435" Score="5" Text="I looked up some of the names in the signature line. Looks like [Prerna Chickersal](https://www.google.com/webhp?q=Prerna+Chickersal) is misspelled. So, that seems suspicious. If I had to guess, they got your email from your GitHub profile. (Not linked for your privacy, but easy to find via Google at the moment.)" CreationDate="2017-04-05T15:38:01.533" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="12159" PostId="4435" Score="0" Text="@JonEricson Fine sleuthing.  I have removed that link." CreationDate="2017-04-05T16:14:01.080" UserId="50433" />
  <row Id="12162" PostId="4437" Score="7" Text="We're famous! Our fake rep points _finally_ mean something! (or not, since I didn't get the email, hah)" CreationDate="2017-04-05T20:23:54.590" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12163" PostId="4437" Score="6" Text="I didn't get it either, and one of them knows me! :-)" CreationDate="2017-04-05T20:40:04.890" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12165" PostId="4437" Score="6" Text="Interesting, though still doesn't explain how they got the OP's email address in the first place." CreationDate="2017-04-06T11:58:41.207" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12166" PostId="4437" Score="3" Text="Wonderful, time now to make a fake email account to contact them, and then reply from my real account only if they respond. :p" CreationDate="2017-04-06T12:51:37.570" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12167" PostId="4437" Score="2" Text="@DavidK right, I don't know that.  It's one of several things that made the email look suspicious, which I pointed out to them, but the OP would have to ask them how they got the address." CreationDate="2017-04-06T13:16:24.710" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12169" PostId="4437" Score="0" Text="Do we know where they are getting people's email addresses from?" CreationDate="2017-04-07T00:20:14.923" UserId="56135" />
  <row Id="12170" PostId="4437" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Interesting. Do you know if they just pick random people to participate in this or can anyone? If so, where?" CreationDate="2017-04-07T06:15:29.550" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="12171" PostId="4437" Score="0" Text="@Magisch sorry, no idea.  I didn't ask them about the study and its conduct." CreationDate="2017-04-07T13:26:01.050" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12202" PostId="4437" Score="0" Text="It just gets better and better. Instead of providing a link to an official CMU page to show this is an official sanctioned study, they provided a link to this post as proof. Can't make this stuff up." CreationDate="2017-04-13T02:55:46.850" UserId="50433" />
  <row Id="12297" PostId="4437" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Probably why you didn't get one, you knew someone. ;-)" CreationDate="2017-04-19T15:10:49.937" UserId="59722" />
  <row Id="12168" PostId="4438" Score="1" Text="The email may be genuine and still spam - I certainly would consider it so." CreationDate="2017-04-06T16:26:10.743" UserId="3227" />
  <row Id="12173" PostId="4439" Score="1" Text="Related: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2935/16" CreationDate="2017-04-07T15:27:53.813" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12174" PostId="4439" Score="1" Text="Related: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2153/16" CreationDate="2017-04-07T15:30:06.590" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12175" PostId="4439" Score="1" Text="Related: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2168/16" CreationDate="2017-04-07T15:30:22.527" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12176" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="The question is not about answering an opinion poll with an opinion, in that case, it is obvious what should be done. In this case, he answered without participating in the poll, but instead by explaining why asking for an opinion poll was not the right approach." CreationDate="2017-04-07T16:18:58.553" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12177" PostId="4440" Score="2" Text="Still not an answer.  That is a comment." CreationDate="2017-04-07T16:46:36.447" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12178" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="Though if you are talking about dan's answer.  I think it does answer the question properly and explains why it is the right approach.  That is not to say that I think his answer is &quot;Right&quot; just that it meets the requirements for an answer." CreationDate="2017-04-07T16:48:09.110" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12179" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="It doesn't list any pros and cons, just &quot;ask your employees what they want&quot;. That is an answer to the original question, not to the modified version." CreationDate="2017-04-07T16:53:30.597" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12180" PostId="4440" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2321/16 - I do not really like the dont do that answers myself but this has been dealt with and settled.  Its been long enough ago I would support an effort to change that if you want to lead that charge." CreationDate="2017-04-07T17:44:45.120" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12181" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="BTW Pros and Cons questions [used to be considered bad questions](https://stackoverflow.blog/2011/08/16/gorilla-vs-shark/) on SE.  But the new crop of mods think they are ok so its hard to tilt at that windmill." CreationDate="2017-04-07T17:47:09.433" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12182" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="I am ok with &quot;don't do that&quot; answer as long as it explains *why*. That doesn't necessarily make it a good answer, but at least helps the OP adjust their perspective. As for pros/cons questions, I completely agree, that is no different than a laundry list question, and opens a big can of worms. &quot;Which job should I take, A or B?&quot; --&gt; Closed as off-topic --&gt; &quot;What are the pros/cons of job A and job B?&quot; --&gt; Tada! Reopened as on-topic!!?" CreationDate="2017-04-07T17:53:38.043" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12183" PostId="4440" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - I think we have a new question to ask for the next Mod Opening.... I get what you are saying about the answer.  But it explains why it is the right way to handle it even if it doesnt explain why you shouldnt do X directly it does say it is better than taking advice of the random people in the interwebtubes... which is what we are." CreationDate="2017-04-07T18:25:11.227" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12184" PostId="4441" Score="2" Text="Seriously, what is going on with all these death tags? Is someone just trying to get a badge?" CreationDate="2017-04-10T12:49:20.223" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12185" PostId="4441" Score="3" Text="I think it bumps up to the first page so that it comes to people's attention, and if something is wrong, it can be dealt with. If this did not happen, it would expose the site to trolls who could change tags while no one is watching, and it would be a huge task to clean up the mess later on." CreationDate="2017-04-10T15:19:26.047" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12188" PostId="4441" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - if that's the reason, it's a poor solution." CreationDate="2017-04-10T16:37:47.490" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12189" PostId="4441" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Yes, absolutely, I don't like it either. But it is what it is, and they are not likely to change it any time soon. :(" CreationDate="2017-04-10T16:39:58.253" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12218" PostId="4441" Score="0" Text="When i checked it came from the same user, if we assume well-intent, then i guess he searched for &quot;death&quot; on all title and add the tag to those post. Every edit made by the community bump question on the pages, bulked update made by developers when burninating a tag however don't. Guess that's a &quot;deal with it&quot;" CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:19:01.397" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="12219" PostId="4441" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat - I understand how it happened and I don't blame the user. I disagree with the feature that allows it to happen that way. Oh well." CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:20:37.080" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12222" PostId="4441" Score="0" Text="Well as I said, as far as I know only bulk updates from developers won't triggee it and I doubt we can have that to add a tag to some questions, it never hurt to ask though." CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:25:29.640" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="12223" PostId="4441" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat - any feature can be modified. The way it works now doesn't have to be the way it works tomorrow." CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:27:31.943" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12224" PostId="4441" Score="0" Text="that's what meant &quot;it never hurt to ask&quot;. Btw here is a SE post https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/29394/it-should-be-possible-to-retag-a-question-without-bumping-it-to-the-front-page" CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:30:01.487" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="12225" PostId="4441" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat - thanks. Seems clear that the &quot;problem&quot; has been known and no &quot;solution&quot; has ever been implemented. Oh well." CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:31:42.323" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12212" PostId="4444" Score="0" Text="I submitted an edit: Rotation of Stylists at a Salon. What do you think? Still does not embody the question wholly, but starts to get at the heart of the problem, yes?" CreationDate="2017-04-13T10:30:06.593" UserId="62982" />
  <row Id="12241" PostId="4444" Score="1" Text="@Teacher Thanks, it is certainly a significant step in the right direction. I will remove some of the fluff from the question in the coming days when I feel like it." CreationDate="2017-04-14T16:51:11.583" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12275" PostId="4444" Score="2" Text="I am (again) pleasantly surprised by what the community edits did to the question: *Ensuring fair distribution of clients in a commission work environment* is a 100x better title." CreationDate="2017-04-18T11:40:50.627" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="12190" PostId="4445" Score="0" Text="I wonder where the other side you reference is? If it's a divide between people supporting OPs bosses and not, then the former is probably unwelcome on the site anyways." CreationDate="2017-04-12T10:53:21.253" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="12191" PostId="4445" Score="1" Text="Saying someone's boss is wrong or not is a debatable thing based on the opinion of the asker, that is OK with me, no matter the reason. But people in comments calling a group of nationalists &quot;racist bigots&quot; for their opinion is no different than calling liberals &quot;n***** loving animals&quot; . It is not OK on a civil forum. Everyone should be equal on this forum, no matter the sex, opinion or nationality. @Magisch" CreationDate="2017-04-12T11:02:20.183" UserId="67192" />
  <row Id="12192" PostId="4445" Score="3" Text="I'm not sure I understand what you're asking. The entire Stack Exchange *network* is intended to be Q&amp;A only with comments meant for civil requests for clarification on the question only. Yes, usually discussion happens in the comments, but that is not the purpose and they are often deleted if they're not directly relevant. When hot-button topics like this come up, there are usually lots of flags and the moderators *do* closely watch and manage what is being said." CreationDate="2017-04-12T11:56:04.463" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12195" PostId="4445" Score="1" Text="&quot;As such I believe that questions related to hatred / racism / real-world-politics should be closely watched and managed by objective persons.&quot; - I'm sure the moderators look at these questions." CreationDate="2017-04-12T12:56:44.987" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12196" PostId="4445" Score="0" Text="And yet there are hate-speeches in the comments. Or is it just me?" CreationDate="2017-04-12T13:05:42.807" UserId="67192" />
  <row Id="12197" PostId="4445" Score="7" Text="If you see hate-speech, flag it for attention and it should be removed shortly after. We can't really prevent people from posting junk, but we can clean it up." CreationDate="2017-04-12T13:13:05.020" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="12198" PostId="4445" Score="1" Text="For what it's worth, I went through all the comments and I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary right now." CreationDate="2017-04-12T13:15:46.473" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="12199" PostId="4445" Score="0" Text="I don't know maybe I am overreacting. Could be for all I know." CreationDate="2017-04-12T14:49:25.197" UserId="67192" />
  <row Id="12238" PostId="4445" Score="3" Text="@wickerman mods aren't bots, and they have a life too, so it can take 5mn or some hours, but generally such comments won't last 24h." CreationDate="2017-04-14T08:42:43.733" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="12278" PostId="4445" Score="1" Text="**ALL TOPICS HERE** should be just Q&amp;A the comment conversations should be ended with extreme prejudice." CreationDate="2017-04-18T16:03:31.127" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12200" PostId="4447" Score="1" Text="Have you ever seen anyone show up for an interview in a tuxedo in your part of the world? Don't you think you already got the answer you were looking for (&quot;No&quot;) ?" CreationDate="2017-04-12T23:46:54.563" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12201" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere i havent really seen anyone show up for an interview ever, as interviews are generally held in private, and I have never given an interview in a professional setting, so i have no experience to go off of. And to the point of that I got an answer, yes I got an answer. That doesn't mean I agree with the post being closed. The post was closed because people thought it wasn't a real/serious question. I believe that it is a perfectly fine/real/serious question and on topic here under the section of advice for finding employment." CreationDate="2017-04-13T00:27:37.213" UserId="44692" />
  <row Id="12203" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="I hope you flagged inappropriate comments.  Mocking people is not ok." CreationDate="2017-04-13T02:58:49.617" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12204" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I flagged a few of them." CreationDate="2017-04-13T03:01:29.553" UserId="44692" />
  <row Id="12205" PostId="4447" Score="5" Text="I'm almost tempted to start another meta thread here, because **why is the fact that OP already got some answers a reason to keep a question closed**? As far as I know we close or reopen questions based on their quality and value, not existing answers. I can see that line of thinking making sense for questions that would require a lot of work to salvage and have limited utility to others but that doesn't seem to be the case here." CreationDate="2017-04-13T08:37:11.177" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12206" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="Open the question @Lilienthal and you'll most likely see a lot of _No answers_ because that's the answer. This information is widely available on the Internet and 99% of it (job dependant) would state categorically **No**. Is there any reason to reopen to see more &quot;No&quot; answers?" CreationDate="2017-04-13T08:48:44.947" UserId="61527" />
  <row Id="12207" PostId="4447" Score="1" Text="@bugs The fact that the question has been answered already is just not a reason to keep it closed. And for this particular question I'd like to see an answer that's matter-of-fact instead of the forced attempts at humor it currently has.  None of the two current answers actually reference the real issue, which is that a tuxedo is evening wear for social occasions.The issue is not that a tuxedo would be overdressing or too formal. So, I'd like to see a no answer that gives better reasons." CreationDate="2017-04-13T09:10:18.980" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12208" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I tend to only ask questions that I can't answer myself. I can answer this question myself by doing an _extremely low amount of research_. I would have thought that a question lacking any research into their problem would be deemed off topic in itself. I would also like to point out I'm not trying to be argumentative and I don't mind being proven wrong." CreationDate="2017-04-13T09:22:28.743" UserId="61527" />
  <row Id="12209" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="I find this question useful, so I have voted to reopen. Just a reminder to some folks, there are other countries besides USA in the world, and there are also cultures besides the Western culture. &quot;Tuxedo is a dinner wear&quot; is not some universal truth told by some dude in the sky ... oh well, let's not go there." CreationDate="2017-04-13T09:54:14.407" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12210" PostId="4447" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan would it be worth the OP stating what part of the world they are interviewing in whilst wearing this tuxedo?" CreationDate="2017-04-13T10:03:28.317" UserId="61527" />
  <row Id="12211" PostId="4447" Score="2" Text="@Bugs Generally there are no questions that are too simple on SE. The network is intended to be a repository of information even for simple stuff. There are plenty of discussions about the pros and cons on this meta and the network one if you want to look into that further. As for location, rightly or wrongly, we tend to answer questions from a Western perspective when none is specified. For semi-canonical questions like this we then normally encourage answers for different cultures to prefix their location in the answer and leave the location unspecified in the question." CreationDate="2017-04-13T10:24:46.900" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12213" PostId="4447" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal &quot;The fact that the question has been answered already is just not a reason to keep it closed&quot; - it's a reason not to waste any more time on it." CreationDate="2017-04-13T10:38:59.603" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12214" PostId="4447" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Whether anyone wants to put time and effort into a question is a personal decision. You are certainly allowed to think &quot;this isn't worth my time&quot; and move on, just like I'm allowed to argue that this question has merit and deserves to be reopened. And I feel like this question in particular does deserve some extra effort, if only to make up for the incredibly hostile and misplaced reaction it got on the site. We regularly get simple and naive questions and I hope that we won't treat all of those the same way just because of a few highly visible fake questions in recent history." CreationDate="2017-04-13T11:17:16.673" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12215" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - I'm just offering an opinion. Of course moderators can use their time and reopen any question or petition enough others to vote to reopen. I guess if I were really asking a serious question, and I didn't have an answer, I'd want it reopened and answered. But if I already got the answer, I wouldn't care much if the question were reopened or not. Perhaps that's just me." CreationDate="2017-04-13T11:22:15.067" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12216" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="A question that stay closed stay like this because it still suppose to be closed for the reason it was closed. A question that is on-topic have to stay open even if no one will ever add something to it. If we want to take the road of &quot;stupid&quot; question that already get its answer and can be close, surely we could close any of &quot;you're overthiking this&quot;, &quot;yes it's inappropriate&quot;, &quot;ask to your manager&quot;, &quot;get it by writing&quot; questions. Which represent ... a LOT of question." CreationDate="2017-04-13T11:29:54.870" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="12217" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere &quot;*I'm just offering an opinion*&quot; That's what meta is for after all :). And I'm doing the same. I agree that the stakes are lowered and most OPs won't care too much as long as they get an answer, but part of the SE philosophy, if we can call it that, is that questions should be improved if possible and that is a community-run effort. Googling the question right now gives you some vaguely related hits on formal dress and one Quora question. A simple Q&amp;A on the actual question would be useful and might help a future graduate who's wondering if he can't put his prom tux to good use." CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:17:55.147" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12220" PostId="4447" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - I understand. If the question were turned into one about &quot;appropriate business attire&quot; in the general sense, I'd vote to reopen. But if a specific question about a tuxedo is okay, then specific questions about prom dresses, top hat and tails, miniskirts, shorts and sneakers, etc - all should be treated the same." CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:25:03.423" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12226" PostId="4447" Score="2" Text="It has been reopened." CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:33:38.980" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12227" PostId="4447" Score="0" Text="_But if a specific question about a tuxedo is okay, then specific questions about prom dresses, top hat and tails, miniskirts, shorts and sneakers, etc - all should be treated the same._ I agree @JoeStrazzere. I've provided an answer nonetheless" CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:35:09.507" UserId="61527" />
  <row Id="12228" PostId="4447" Score="1" Text="@Bugs - I saw it. I have to say I laughed at your Step Brothers example. But I think the Dumb &amp; Dumber tuxedos would have been a more effective example." CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:41:44.247" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12229" PostId="4447" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I _almost_ went there with that but felt others would think I wasn't being serious. The Step Brothers example is on-topic to interviewing so went with that, minus the quote of course." CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:43:19.030" UserId="61527" />
  <row Id="12231" PostId="4447" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Hmm, maybe. You could rephrase this to &quot;formal wear&quot; which seems to be the catch-all term for everything more formal than a suit (black tie / tuxedo, white tie, evening gown, ...) but then you risk causing even more confusion with &quot;business formal&quot;. Perhaps if we start getting questions on beachwear and flip flops we'd instead need a canonical &quot;what qualifies as business attire?&quot;. :)" CreationDate="2017-04-13T13:29:00.100" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12258" PostId="4448" Score="0" Text="Rory, as one of the people who voted to close my question as primarily opinion based, could you please explain what makes it anymore opinion based than the other question I linked in it?" CreationDate="2017-04-16T16:17:30.640" UserId="44692" />
  <row Id="12221" PostId="4450" Score="0" Text="As I mentioned in the comments; I didn't know and I'm long past graduate. Plenty of people go through a number of jobs without ever wearing any kind of formal gear, and might at some moment be required to interview in one. This seems like a valid question (Especially if they happen to own a tuxedo, but not a suit), even if the answer is straightforward." CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:25:18.770" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="12230" PostId="4450" Score="0" Text="@Erik I took your comment on board about the differences and incorporated that into my answer (with a link). I hope it gives you some insight. I want you to know I wasn't being rude in my earlier comments." CreationDate="2017-04-13T12:51:12.157" UserId="61527" />
  <row Id="12232" PostId="4450" Score="0" Text="@Erik Indeed, I'm just using graduates as an example." CreationDate="2017-04-13T13:35:41.313" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12234" PostId="4450" Score="1" Text="I honestly didn't know there WAS a difference between a tuxedo and a suit until I read this question." CreationDate="2017-04-13T19:26:46.613" UserId="56157" />
  <row Id="12271" PostId="4450" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal do you think you could explain why people think that the question is primarily opinion based? I've tried asking some of the people that voted to close it, but they haven't responded." CreationDate="2017-04-17T19:41:03.740" UserId="44692" />
  <row Id="12274" PostId="4450" Score="0" Text="@Dragonrage Well they're not required to and I can't do more than guess at the reason behind people's votes. It does seem like this particular close reason doesn't really apply given how there seems to be universal consensus on the answer but people sometimes tick the wrong close reason by mistake which is why we don't automatically reopen over that. There should be some agreement that the question deserves to be reopened (and wouldn't be closed again immediately) and it seems like that would be unlikely given the feedback in this meta thread." CreationDate="2017-04-18T08:31:57.973" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12237" PostId="4452" Score="1" Text="for a network wide guidance see [Should I vote to close a duplicate question, even though it's much newer, and has more up to date answers?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/147651/165773) at MSE: &quot;If the new question is a better question or has better answers, then vote to close the old one as a duplicate of the new one...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-04-14T08:41:45.323" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12235" PostId="4453" Score="0" Text="The reason for it is to link the questions for indexing and search results.  Duplicate questions are never deleted." CreationDate="2017-04-13T21:42:45.633" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12239" PostId="4453" Score="2" Text="&quot;*Nope*&quot; Well, there is a guideline, which is just to use the duplicate marking optimally, which usually means to keep the most useful/general/viewed question as the parent. Age of the question has never been a criterion." CreationDate="2017-04-14T09:17:48.207" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12240" PostId="4453" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal I agree that the better question should be the &quot;prime&quot; question with the others as duplicates regardless of date, but in this case the duplicate appears to have more higher-voted answers. I don't think it's an issue that needs to be fixed, but does seem odd to me." CreationDate="2017-04-14T11:47:19.193" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12245" PostId="4453" Score="1" Text="@DavidK answer score doesn't reliably indicate quality ([The Trouble With Popularity](https://blog.stackexchange.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/)). If you believe one of the questions / answers is better than another, this would better be discussed based on their content, not on score (and while we're at it, if some duplicate close direction goes too much against quality comparison it makes perfect sense to ask community or moderators do something to re-close in reverse direction)" CreationDate="2017-04-15T09:14:40.213" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12277" PostId="4455" Score="1" Text="I wish this was true.  Our mods seems to have taken a more liberal approach to what is offensive or non constructive with the err to the side of leaving posts that discretion would dictate getting rid of just to be safe." CreationDate="2017-04-18T16:02:27.723" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12300" PostId="4455" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Though that devolves into a discussion of &quot;who watches the watchers&quot;. At some point we have to put trust in the trusted and take the lumps (and I like that about as much as anyone does...). It's like juries in real world trials. We might not like the decision, but we should remember that it was made using the system we chose to accept as a culture, and make sure to follow the procedure. Whether or not that system is justifiable is, again, &quot;who is watching the watchers&quot;." CreationDate="2017-04-19T17:20:23.057" UserId="59722" />
  <row Id="12302" PostId="4455" Score="1" Text="If you have a concrete problem with the moderation on this point you should make a new meta post about it btw." CreationDate="2017-04-19T17:23:17.913" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="12304" PostId="4455" Score="1" Text="They get dismissed.  I and others have." CreationDate="2017-04-19T17:28:09.450" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12431" PostId="4455" Score="0" Text="Is that screenshot entirely necessary? I'm sure we can all agree that Youtube comments are their own special slice of hell without linking that kind of vitriol on this site." CreationDate="2017-05-15T18:01:21.407" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12432" PostId="4455" Score="0" Text="Dunno @Lilienthal, on one hand it's a good example of the other extreme, on the other hand you're correct in that it's very strong. Feel free to edit it out if you want." CreationDate="2017-05-15T18:03:37.977" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="12252" PostId="4458" Score="1" Text="I don't see how the second phrasing helps. The question is basically asking people to guess how someone might think/feel in a hypothetical situation. I'm not sure that kind of question can be answered here. You indicated that you are &quot;in a situation similar to the recruiter&quot;. I suspect you have a better sense of how the candidate would think or feel than anyone here could." CreationDate="2017-04-15T19:58:43.967" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12253" PostId="4458" Score="0" Text="Reading the current version and the title I simply have no idea what kind of situation and question it's describing. Are you basically asking about a &quot;recruiter who called wolf&quot; scenario?" CreationDate="2017-04-15T21:27:35.763" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12256" PostId="4458" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal no, the recruiter is sincere. So there is no way a candidate be the best fit for a company that they want them so much, and the recruiter trying to negotiate with any price?" CreationDate="2017-04-16T03:02:12.907" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="12266" PostId="4458" Score="0" Text="@Ooker I still don't understand what you're trying to ask, sorry." CreationDate="2017-04-17T13:01:58.207" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12270" PostId="4458" Score="3" Text="Honestly your &quot;recruiter&quot; comes across as creepy at best. I can see the parallels with a stalker proposing to a girl to make out with him, and wondering what the right &quot;offer&quot; would be after she repeatedly told him she was not interested. Even without drawing that parallel, it is still not clear to me what you are asking for. What would the candidate think and what should the recruiter do are way too broad, and can best be answered (albeit somewhat bluntly) by, &quot;why are you asking *us*, ask them&quot;, which is a synonym (for me, anyway) for &quot;unclear what you are asking&quot;." CreationDate="2017-04-17T15:44:53.987" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12279" PostId="4461" Score="0" Text="Lol, actually I'm not a recruiter, and not doing anything wrong to my best knowledge and honesty. But yes I agree with you. Can I simply replace *I am a recruiter* to *imagine a recruiter*?" CreationDate="2017-04-18T16:47:08.133" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="12280" PostId="4461" Score="0" Text="there is a standard that reads something like: *We expect questions here to be problems you &quot;Actually&quot; face.*  We define actually as being a problem that is realistic that you &quot;Could&quot; be facing and ask the question as if you were facing it.&#xA;&#xA;What is the actual problem you are trying to find the answer to? Ask that question as though you need to find the answer to it." CreationDate="2017-04-18T16:52:47.210" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12282" PostId="4461" Score="0" Text="yes, I am facing it, and actually it's a personal issue. However, I see that my situation is pretty much the same with the highly welcomed question linked at the top of my question, I would like to ask it as if it is a workplace issue, where relationships are generally not personal, to see how professionals deal with it. Is this acceptable?" CreationDate="2017-04-18T18:06:04.287" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="12283" PostId="4461" Score="0" Text="So what role in this question do you have?  are you the one that was harassed?" CreationDate="2017-04-18T18:12:06.727" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12284" PostId="4461" Score="0" Text="@Ooker - Is your question how you can have a personal relationship with someone you met as a candidate?  How to interest them personally would be off topic.  How to address the issue with your company would be." CreationDate="2017-04-18T18:15:18.500" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12285" PostId="4461" Score="0" Text="no, definitely not to establish a personal relationship to any candidate. My role is similar to the recruiter, but the only intention is to deliver the best to the &quot;candidate&quot;" CreationDate="2017-04-18T19:42:24.960" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="12286" PostId="4461" Score="0" Text="@Ooker - Is the current version more acceptable maybe?" CreationDate="2017-04-18T19:45:46.763" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12287" PostId="4461" Score="0" Text="Yesss, *misspoke*. Anyhow, I'm still not a recruiter. Would not mentioning that makes my question less real?" CreationDate="2017-04-18T19:53:55.963" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="12288" PostId="4461" Score="0" Text="No but I doubt the answers are going to be very helpful to your real situation but I think that question would be accepted and answered" CreationDate="2017-04-18T19:59:39.467" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12289" PostId="4461" Score="0" Text="so it's safe to start with *imagine a recruiter*?" CreationDate="2017-04-18T20:06:08.463" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="12290" PostId="4461" Score="0" Text="No no Imagine.  Just ask the question as if it applies to you and you want the answer." CreationDate="2017-04-18T20:08:04.143" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12296" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="One of the answers appears to be a joke answer, and should be deleted, the other however is saying they aren't. I'm still going with assuming no ill intent" CreationDate="2017-04-19T15:00:39.213" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12306" PostId="4463" Score="1" Text="none of these answers has 3 delete votes from 20Kers nor mod-deletion. This means answerers have an [option to single-handedly undelete their posts](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2584/168) if they want to. &quot;At first glance, it seems that just six-seven 2K users can in theory create a death ring and remove 20 any answers a day through flagging and consequent voting in LQ queue... But system is indeed designed to prevent anything like this from happening...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-04-19T20:14:35.580" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12307" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="@gnat Thanks for the info, that's put my mind at rest. Now I'm aware of the user can un-delete them, it's OK. I thought the vote would be an end all and the user had to edit them and go through a queue or something for undelete. It just seems odd that people would want to delete answers when they are terrible advice, but they still answer the question. Again, I feel a downvote should suffice, deleting the answer seems to be over the top" CreationDate="2017-04-20T07:01:02.380" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12308" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="answers over here have to meet requirements to back it up and don't repeat others ([faq](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/255/168)). If these requirements aren't met I flag and vote to recommend deletion no matter if there advice is good or bad. Answers like &quot;here's just an idea for you to vote on it&quot; shouldn't be allowed here - again it doesn't matter whether these propose good or bad idea" CreationDate="2017-04-20T07:46:00.747" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12309" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="@gnat You realise that would most likely delete 90% of the answers on this site? A lot of the time, answers here aren't backed up or from experience. It's what the user feels is the right action to do." CreationDate="2017-04-20T08:54:54.203" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12310" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="have you really read so many answers? I haven't but of those I read most look okay... or, more precisely, compliant with site faq I referred" CreationDate="2017-04-20T10:14:37.440" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12313" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="@Draken It's a fine line, but I usually interpret experience more broadly than &quot;this happened to me&quot;. Someone who worked in an office with people before technically has the right experience since that what most our questions are ultimately about. Most our questions are answered by looking at the situation objectively and applying common sense combined with a knowledge of professional norms. More complex topics typically require advanced/management experience but I think theoretical experience/knowledge such as that gained from workplace blogs or this site can easily be substituted for that." CreationDate="2017-04-20T14:39:12.223" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12377" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="If you strictly apply the rules, then this site would be shut down. It is unlikely that any user will have faced the exact same situation that the OP asks for, so &quot;back it up with personal experience&quot; goes out of the window.  That leaves us with a bunch of &quot;what does the law say on this?&quot; and &quot;what is the standard practice in so-and-so location?&quot; questions which can be backed up with references, but where the line between on-topic and off-topic is drawn on those is still controversial in many cases." CreationDate="2017-05-07T18:36:19.860" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12378" PostId="4463" Score="0" Text="Hence, it is ok to be a bit more liberal with the rules, and expand the &quot;personal experience&quot; references to mean, &quot;based on your personal experiences working in the industry and/or knowing the stories of people who have worked in the industry, *if* you were faced with this situation that the OP describes, how would you handle it?&quot; We can see how &quot;personal experiences&quot; like those make a lot of difference. Look no further than our role model Joe :). Obviously he hasn't faced all those scenarios (or has he?) that he has answered to, but his answers offer priceless advice almost always." CreationDate="2017-05-07T18:40:10.070" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12298" PostId="4464" Score="3" Text="Damaging advice isn't a reason for it hitting the LQP queue though, a downvote yes and a flag to raise to the mods, but not a vote that states it's LQ or not an answer. Despite it being terrible advice, it's still an answer. I agree with deleting the first one now I've seen the joke bit, I missed that during my review" CreationDate="2017-04-19T15:26:02.590" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12299" PostId="4464" Score="0" Text="Well, perhaps not LQP, Perhaps flag for moderator intervention? I would say damaging answers would be delete-able. Telling someone &quot;I advise you to go jump on a grenade&quot; would be an example of this level of answer (&quot;Shut down your company's system arbitrarily&quot;), and that should be a reason for delete." CreationDate="2017-04-19T15:29:49.540" UserId="59722" />
  <row Id="12303" PostId="4465" Score="0" Text="My issue isn't with the questions hitting the queues, but the users voting to delete them. The questions are bad advice, but not sure I'd agree with them being deleted. Downvote should be more than enough" CreationDate="2017-04-19T17:27:33.170" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12305" PostId="4465" Score="4" Text="Mods are only supposed to take action in exceptional situations.  Users on the other hand can prune at will because it can not be done alone.  It takes 3 20k rep users to agree an answer should be deleted for it to be deleted.  And even then a mod can over rule if they feel it is the right thing to do" CreationDate="2017-04-19T17:29:36.750" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12321" PostId="4465" Score="1" Text="You can also have an answer deleted from the review queue if enough non-20k users recommend deletion, but it takes I think 6?" CreationDate="2017-04-21T18:24:17.787" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12311" PostId="4468" Score="0" Text="Voted to re-open" CreationDate="2017-04-20T13:45:19.570" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12312" PostId="4468" Score="0" Text="This question as it is now is fine.  VTO" CreationDate="2017-04-20T14:03:47.250" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12315" PostId="4468" Score="2" Text="Why would app design be on topic here?" CreationDate="2017-04-20T16:12:20.813" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12316" PostId="4468" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I see no reason why. That was also my custom close reason on the question." CreationDate="2017-04-20T16:13:22.240" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12318" PostId="4468" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan because the scope of this site is navigating the workplace but expressly limited to not performing job functions.  This is about app design not navigating the workplace" CreationDate="2017-04-20T17:54:08.750" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12314" PostId="4469" Score="0" Text="I wanted to accept this answer to indicate that the request has been resolved, but [some dude made a rule ages ago](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/6045/202356) preventing that to avoid ... you guessed it ... &quot;gaming the system&quot;." CreationDate="2017-04-20T15:31:10.433" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12319" PostId="4471" Score="1" Text="This is a pretty related (duplicate?) question to that one - https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/77055/2322" CreationDate="2017-04-21T14:30:22.990" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12320" PostId="4471" Score="1" Text="I think as asked, it would cover from a higher level than just a discussion with your current boss. I don't know if it'll make worth the question to stand on its own though. But maybe the answer for the question I suggest would be &quot;discuss with your boss -&gt; see [link]&quot;" CreationDate="2017-04-21T14:33:11.617" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="12329" PostId="4472" Score="6" Text="This question has an accepted answer. You shouldn't put a &quot;reopened&quot; meta-tag in the title." CreationDate="2017-04-25T14:34:58.313" UserId="66238" />
  <row Id="12330" PostId="4472" Score="0" Text="@grgarside Why not?" CreationDate="2017-04-25T15:02:16.840" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12331" PostId="4472" Score="3" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/116104/222623" CreationDate="2017-04-25T16:29:26.440" UserId="66238" />
  <row Id="12332" PostId="4472" Score="5" Text="@grgarside Here: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4423/3192 This is not StackOverflow, leave us alone." CreationDate="2017-04-25T16:35:44.460" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12333" PostId="4472" Score="3" Text="Those StackOverflow guys have this habit of making arbitrary rules without giving any reason (other than don't do this, it is wrong). If it isn't broken, don't fix it. What exactly is the *problem* you are trying to solve here? Our own moderators have recommended to use one of these two approaches. You have to give us a more convincing reason than sharing some link from other site for why doing *both* should not be allowed. Anyway, this is meta, not the main site." CreationDate="2017-04-25T16:39:52.180" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12342" PostId="4472" Score="4" Text="@MaskedMan Uh, you realize that the two posts are about different things, right? One is about not putting &quot;SOLVED&quot; in the title -- which, incidentally, is on the network-wide meta, and as such applies to _every_ site, not Stack Overflow -- the other is about custom-flagging for mods so they can apply a special mod-only tag. grgarside was talking about not adding this question's equivalent of [SOLVED]; you're replying by saying &quot;but the mods said don't custom-flag!&quot; The two are unconnected. Removed [SOLVED] and let the accepted answer say it for you." CreationDate="2017-04-30T05:16:00.763" UserId="30756" />
  <row Id="12343" PostId="4472" Score="0" Text="@QPaysTaxes Have you actually bothered reading the moderator's post? She clearly suggests editing the question title as an alternative to the tag request. Anyway that [SOLVED] or whatever is not relevant here. Meta works differently. Besides each site can make its own rules. So please try to spend some time on *this* site before you can decide what should and should not be done here." CreationDate="2017-04-30T05:39:40.700" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12344" PostId="4472" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan Did _you_ even bother reading it? Right before that sentence, there's this one, which I'll quote to make sure you see it: &quot;Ideally, report the results in an answer and then accept it; an accepted answer is the usual signal for &quot;no more help needed&quot;&quot;. That _very heavily_ implies that the &quot;edit the title&quot; solution is for cases where there _is_ no accepted answer, which there is in this case." CreationDate="2017-04-30T07:00:22.333" UserId="30756" />
  <row Id="12322" PostId="4474" Score="0" Text="Have you checked the main meta site? Or the help pages on bounties? That should cover pretty much everything you'd want to know. If you still have an unanswered question on the bounty system you should probably post it on main meta as well unless it's about something site specific." CreationDate="2017-04-25T12:08:07.233" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12323" PostId="4474" Score="0" Text="I have read the text, and understand how it works to an extent.  My question is more along the lines of should I wait the full 7 days or if I feel the best answer is there, to go ahead and award it." CreationDate="2017-04-25T12:10:25.327" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12324" PostId="4474" Score="2" Text="I would suggest waiting for the full 7 days. You don't lose anything by doing so. You might get an even better answer in the coming days." CreationDate="2017-04-25T12:55:47.800" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12325" PostId="4474" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive Seems like there's no &quot;best practice&quot; on how long to wait, just mention of the 7 day duration + grace period. Since this is site-wide you'll want to ask about a best practice on the main meta, not here." CreationDate="2017-04-25T13:09:13.770" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12328" PostId="4474" Score="0" Text="I'm curious - why did you award a bounty? The question seemed to already have good answers. And the OP doesn't appear to have written any comments asking for better answers." CreationDate="2017-04-25T13:51:06.890" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12334" PostId="4474" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere 2 reasons, 1 I wasn't thrilled with the other answers, and 2 I *thought* mine was better.  The votes show I was mistaken.  :-)" CreationDate="2017-04-26T15:06:09.830" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12326" PostId="4475" Score="0" Text="LOL It never entered my head to edit the question in this scenario!" CreationDate="2017-04-25T13:43:47.080" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12327" PostId="4475" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive - LOL. I could reply with RTFM, but I won't! ;-)" CreationDate="2017-04-25T13:44:36.137" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12367" PostId="4478" Score="0" Text="As is, I gave it my vote to re-open." CreationDate="2017-05-02T16:09:30.850" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12369" PostId="4478" Score="0" Text="It is 3 years old why do we want to reopen it?" CreationDate="2017-05-02T16:23:29.830" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12370" PostId="4478" Score="0" Text="Why not? We don't throw away old questions, so what's the problem with reopening?" CreationDate="2017-05-02T16:47:28.167" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12348" PostId="4479" Score="1" Text="I have never heard of &quot;being assigned the task of asking a new question&quot;. Could you elaborate please? Anyway, I think the issue with the system warning you about the question likely to get closed should be posted as a separate meta post. Without the details of the exact question you were trying to ask, it is hard to tell how we can help. Also, &quot;on hold&quot; is not permanent, the question can be improved and reopened. This has already happened several times here, and there is even a reopen-request tag on meta that we use regularly." CreationDate="2017-05-01T18:22:02.703" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12349" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - the Activity tab of your Profile page has a &quot;Next tag badge:&quot; field. Most likely, the next tag badge for this user could be earned by asking a new question." CreationDate="2017-05-01T18:48:11.827" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12350" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="@Masked Man, Hi :) My profile shows Activity, including reputation and badges. For badges it shows my Newest and Next badges. As a new member of the site, I saw my Next badge as a goal for what I should focus on doing to learn how to use the site, participate in the community, and increase my reputation. The badges are actually a lot of fun." CreationDate="2017-05-01T18:52:07.013" UserId="66823" />
  <row Id="12351" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="Honestly, I don't think this is about how to properly askI'm trying to show that this is less about how to properly ask a specific question. I found it a little challenging to ask proper questions in general. It might be People who are looking for help might" CreationDate="2017-05-01T18:58:57.127" UserId="66823" />
  <row Id="12352" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="@Masked Man, I appreciate your offer to help me word a specific question. I will take you up on that when I am ready :D Meanwhile, I think there might be a broader issue to address on the site. I think the number of holds, closes, and warnings might be discouraging people from participation. The first challenge in learning is figuring out the right questions to ask. If people make an honest attempt to ask a question, I'm happy to do what I can to help. Really bad questions just don't get answered and wither away, which usually suggests it's time to ask again a different way." CreationDate="2017-05-01T19:08:06.063" UserId="66823" />
  <row Id="12353" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="Today, I see that 20 out of 45 questions are On Hold, Duplicate, or Closed. I don't know if that's an improvement, but it's a data point." CreationDate="2017-05-01T19:08:28.610" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12354" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="sorry for the double post, I just learned that edits have a time limit of 5 minutes..." CreationDate="2017-05-01T19:08:30.800" UserId="66823" />
  <row Id="12355" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="@Lazor I find it fascinating that despite all those hurdles posed by the system in asking a question, we still regularly get questions that are impossible to understand." CreationDate="2017-05-02T01:07:59.300" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12356" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Thanks. I guessed that was what he meant after I posted the comment. Anyway, I think the &quot;next badge&quot; feature is a bad idea, badges should be awarded for a user's actions as they happen naturally, and not because of actions they take specifically to obtain that badge. For me, it currently recommends the &quot;Marshal&quot; badge. That does not mean I should focus specifically on flagging another 319 posts to get that badge. But I see how a user can think that the system is &quot;encouraging&quot; him to do so." CreationDate="2017-05-02T03:50:52.390" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12363" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - well it's all part of gamification. The system *is* encouraging him. If you are going to motivate users with reward badges, you might as well motivate them to get more. (I don't care for the idea of badges themselves, but &quot;next badge&quot; seems to be just a part of the whole)." CreationDate="2017-05-02T10:51:33.883" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12364" PostId="4479" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan It's part of SE's gamification of Q&amp;A as Joe mentioned, but it seems largely intended as a convenience feature: you're free to change the badge you're tracking at any time. I'm fairly sure you actually did so as [it will normally pick the badge you're closest to getting.](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/257343/how-are-the-series-of-next-badges-determined?rq=1)" CreationDate="2017-05-02T11:07:49.980" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12365" PostId="4479" Score="1" Text="@Lazor No one is really saying you have to ask a question here, even if you're getting a badge tracker for it. But if you *do* decide to ask a question, even if you don't have a real problem you're facing, it's your responsibility to make it a good one. Since you mention questions being closed as you're writing an answer, it seems like you're not in tune with the types of questions we consider to be on-topic here. You may want to check out the [tour] and [help/on-topic] to get a better sense of that. Or ask in [chat]." CreationDate="2017-05-02T11:08:38.003" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12366" PostId="4479" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Oh, right, I may have done that long ago and forgotten, because I don't really visit the badge tracker so much." CreationDate="2017-05-02T14:33:45.390" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12371" PostId="4481" Score="1" Text="I agree, I just edited it a bit too to make it a bit cleaner." CreationDate="2017-05-02T18:00:53.977" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12372" PostId="4481" Score="3" Text="Whether you get paid for something as &quot;travel time&quot; or not is either (a) regulated by a union or federal entity (depends on country) or (b) covered under the contracted company policy. Both of which are mentioned in the closing votes." CreationDate="2017-05-02T20:52:56.947" UserId="59722" />
  <row Id="12441" PostId="4481" Score="2" Text="Its a duplicate though..." CreationDate="2017-05-16T17:29:27.200" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12375" PostId="4482" Score="3" Text="I don't believe the moderators reveal that sort of information, but if you have been around long enough, and observant, you usually have a good idea why someone gets banned." CreationDate="2017-05-07T14:37:29.903" UserId="45671" />
  <row Id="12507" PostId="4482" Score="0" Text="he/she was burning up and setting fire to the place, banned until next year seems excessive though. Definitely got a few badges, what on earth warrants a years suspension? Did he argue with the mods?" CreationDate="2017-05-19T15:52:52.783" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12376" PostId="4483" Score="2" Text="I have edited your post to be a reopen-request rather than a close-complaint. I do not necessarily agree with it (yet) because this &quot;Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals.&quot; is also a part of the close reason. I am not familiar with the UK work practices, but if you can confirm that this question is &quot;what does the law say on this?&quot; and not, &quot;help, I need free lawyer online&quot;, then I will gladly cast a reopen vote." CreationDate="2017-05-07T18:22:48.640" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12379" PostId="4483" Score="0" Text="Generally questions related to gathering submittable evidence for a legal claim are beyond the scope of this site. That's where you talk to a lawyer, not the internet." CreationDate="2017-05-07T18:40:56.390" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12380" PostId="4483" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal its not strictly about valid evidence in the legal sense  employment law in the UK  is not like some America legal tv show. As an experienced Lay Union officer I have never heard of emails or company documents being challenged at an employment  tribunal" CreationDate="2017-05-07T21:07:31.453" UserId="40085" />
  <row Id="12381" PostId="4483" Score="0" Text="[The close reason for legal is pretty clear](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2693/custom-off-topic-close-reasons-change/2694#2694). If this question was re-opened under it's current context, I would VTC as requesting legal advice. The meta states: *Questions should be able to be answered by an HR professional in another company, and shouldn't require specific legal expertise*" CreationDate="2017-05-08T07:43:54.560" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12382" PostId="4483" Score="0" Text="@Draken If the grievance procedure is standard throughout the country, and is not company-specific, then I think an HR professional from another company could be expected to know the procedure. That said though, I would not go out on a limb to reopen this question, with the currently available information." CreationDate="2017-05-08T13:45:54.550" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12394" PostId="4483" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan As someone who has lived and worked in the UK, confidentiality of documents and whether they can be used in a court case are a very company specific policy. If they're are checking if they can legally use the documents, then they need a lawyer. If they need a lawyer, then VTC. It's asking far too much on the side of what is usable in a court of law and that would have to be figured out between the lawyer and the company's confidentially rules." CreationDate="2017-05-09T06:11:22.170" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12395" PostId="4483" Score="1" Text="@Draken I see, thanks. Then I agree with keeping the question closed." CreationDate="2017-05-09T07:22:54.543" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12399" PostId="4483" Score="0" Text="@Draken discoverability and chain of evidence  in was never covered by any of my training you or any of the case law notes that the TUC and employment lawyers put out. You might be confusing criminal law here - I am formally accredited to represent people in grievance and discipline cases BTW" CreationDate="2017-05-09T18:20:04.213" UserId="40085" />
  <row Id="12403" PostId="4483" Score="0" Text="The OP, in the question at the moment, is asking what can and cannot be used in a court of law. You need some legal advice to be able to tell that for definite. You can deal with grievance procedures, but doesn'T mean you can dictate whether it it legal to take documentation that is under legal contract to a court case. Hence needing a lawyer and hence leaving the question closed. If it didn't reference a court or legality, I can understand opening it, but in it's current state, we'd just get lots of people stating IANAL and giving their rubbish advice." CreationDate="2017-05-10T06:19:09.807" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12405" PostId="4483" Score="0" Text="@Draken I take the point but to be blunt unless your a test case (supported by a trade union) or a banker on 10 mill a year your never going to be in a &quot;legal&quot; court for an employment issue - 99.99% of disputes are settled in the Tribunal system." CreationDate="2017-05-10T23:50:24.600" UserId="40085" />
  <row Id="12383" PostId="4486" Score="1" Text="Thanks for clarifying, now I am at least not as confused as before anymore. But I still don#t get the reasoning behind this. In another answer, your moderator colleague Lillienthal also states &quot;They can't simply decide not to pay you. This is plainly illegal.&quot;, which to me is basically the same claim and there is not such notice on this answer." CreationDate="2017-05-08T18:57:41.257" UserId="16272" />
  <row Id="12384" PostId="4486" Score="1" Text="Additionally, I feel like these claims are common knowledge like a claim &quot;Slavery is illegal&quot; (for which I also don't know a law by heart) would be. That an employer can not simply deduct pay seems obvious to me, but I don't know the Italian law (and I don't speak Italian). But as a citizen of another EU country I am still fairly certain that there is a common standard every country has to adhere to." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:00:50.150" UserId="16272" />
  <row Id="12385" PostId="4486" Score="0" Text="@dirkk one difference is your answer is _based_ on using the fact that it is illegal, whereas Lilienthal's answer talks about the process (though, it's still pretty weak on the &quot;citation&quot; aspect). The legal aspect is a much smaller piece to their answer. Having looked at a few more answers though I removed the notice on yours and added the general notice to the main question." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:01:47.823" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12386" PostId="4486" Score="0" Text="@dirkk &quot;That an employer can not simply deduct pay seems obvious to me,&quot; this depends a lot on the employment contract the OP of the question has, too. Without knowing that it's hard to really conclusively say (though I strongly suspect this employer action is pretty illegal)." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:02:41.633" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12387" PostId="4486" Score="0" Text="Thank you for removing the notice, I appreciate that. However, I think maybe the confusion is about our different cultural backgrounds (based on your profile I guess you are from the US). In the same way the at-will contracts are unheard of within the EU, I suspect it is the same thing here. At least for Germany (were I live) I can say for certain that such a clause could not exist in a contract (and if it did it would be unlawful and could be disregarded) - As I said I can't say for sure the same about Italy, but I strongly guess it is similar to other EU countries." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:10:40.927" UserId="16272" />
  <row Id="12388" PostId="4486" Score="0" Text="@dirkk There is no common standard when it comes to EU law. It's true that all countries I'm familiar with *have* a minimum wage law but some might not have the employee protections that prohibit employers from charging costs through to employees. So when it comes to making a legal claim you need to back that up. In my answer I summarised how Italy covers this which is via an &quot;average minimum salary&quot;. Since that's not the focus of the question I didn't expand on it, but it's enough to verify that there *is* a minimum." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:11:22.867" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12389" PostId="4486" Score="0" Text="Adding to that is the fact that Italy uses employment contracts and those include salary and *that* is why I say the employer can't just unilaterally decide not to pay an employee. In most countries breaches in employment contracts also violate employment laws making it technically illegal but that's something to ask a lawyer. I usually use the colloquial meaning of the word. In short I agree with the notice since it's not obvious to me from reading it that it actually is illegal. You provide no reference for why this is the case and don't work in the country in question." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:11:37.237" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12390" PostId="4486" Score="0" Text="And even for Germany (the jurisdiction I know best) there would not be a simply reference I could show (I mean, there is no law specifically for this case). It is obvious from the connection of a lot of laws and ruling by courts and I would say it is also obvious for 99% of people you ask on the street, but not that simple to show a reference." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:12:15.563" UserId="16272" />
  <row Id="12391" PostId="4486" Score="2" Text="Frankly, basing questions like this on guesswork is not something I can approve of. Sure, Europe shares common values and some baseline rights and employee protections are available throughout the eurozone and to some extent also exist in the US. But the particulars here matter, especially when it comes to tricky subjects like what an employer can and can't deduct. There are plenty of issues where people think &quot;that's illegal&quot; when it actually isn't. As an example: 99% of people on the street in the US will tell you an employer can't ask if you're pregnant. But he can. That's not illegal." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:14:14.507" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12392" PostId="4486" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal I get your point. I tried to change my answer to try to accommodate your concern. Not sure if it really improves the answer, but I tried!" CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:25:41.080" UserId="16272" />
  <row Id="12393" PostId="4486" Score="0" Text="@dirkk As mentioned I'm not sure if it's *technically* illegal but I that's certainly enough to introduce the rest of the answer, thanks for making the edit." CreationDate="2017-05-08T19:30:06.093" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12396" PostId="4488" Score="0" Text="&quot;*You can leave a custom flag on the first or last relevant comment*&quot; Hmm, I tend to assume that is someone went ahead and flagged multiple comments obsolete he got all of them and I won't always check the post to see if that broke anything. I'd probably suggest flagging them all or flagging the post. The latter is typically faster for everyone involved if multiple comments are involved." CreationDate="2017-05-09T09:14:29.400" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12397" PostId="4488" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I've seen people flag obsolete comment threads that they participated in without deleting their own comments.  (You can't flag your own.)  So I find it a good idea to look at the context, though I'll sometimes handle a rude flag right away on the theory that there might be other problems but *that* one definitely has to go now." CreationDate="2017-05-09T13:01:44.440" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12398" PostId="4488" Score="0" Text="Ah, true. I suppose I'll have to make it a point to remember to check the post itself in future." CreationDate="2017-05-09T13:39:13.457" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12406" PostId="4488" Score="0" Text="I always add &quot;I only flagged this one comment&quot; or something to that effect If I flag multiple comments with just one comment flag, as the mod UI only shows the comments that are flagged by default, and it's easy to miss that there are more comments!" CreationDate="2017-05-13T04:52:40.577" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="12429" PostId="4492" Score="8" Text="I did not see your comment, but I do find it a bit strange. When you downvote an answer, you are shown a pop-up that explicitly asks you to &quot;consider&quot; leaving a comment, but when you are considerate enough to do so, out come the flaggers and moderators with their pair of scissors to chop it off." CreationDate="2017-05-15T17:42:28.080" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12433" PostId="4492" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure whether [meta-tag:discussion] or [meta-tag:support] is more appropriate here. If anyone has any advice there, I'd appreciate it." CreationDate="2017-05-15T18:35:53.700" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12434" PostId="4492" Score="2" Text="Comments are transient by nature.  Do not post an answer as a comment.  the -1 was unnessessary and some people find it to be rather obnoxious as we get from your comment you probably downvoted." CreationDate="2017-05-16T14:20:11.570" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12435" PostId="4492" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan comments are also supposed to be constructive." CreationDate="2017-05-16T15:51:55.123" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12436" PostId="4492" Score="5" Text="@RichardU It's not constructive to say, &quot;This one sentence was so bad it caused me to downvote the entire post&quot;? That very readily translates into an action that would improve the post." CreationDate="2017-05-16T16:10:12.257" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12437" PostId="4492" Score="5" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I'm confused about what point you're making. The comment I described is most certainly not an answer. It pointed out a major problem within the answer it was posted on. Yes, the comment was harsh and blunt, but that was intentional due to the severity of the problem and doesn't constitute a reason to flag it. At least, last I checked, &quot;This comment personally annoys me,&quot; wasn't a flag reason. And yes, comments are transient, but comments used properly aren't typically *singled out* for deletion; they get deleted as collateral damage with a string of improper ones." CreationDate="2017-05-16T16:17:06.530" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12438" PostId="4492" Score="1" Text="@jpmc26 Saying that a sentence is &quot;so bad it caused me to downvote the entire answer&quot; does not offer any suggestion for improvement, and is actually a bit insulting and is certainly not constructive.  Besides, it's a comment, they get deleted all the time." CreationDate="2017-05-16T16:58:51.260" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12440" PostId="4492" Score="3" Text="Possible duplicate of [What &quot;comments&quot; are not . . .](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not)" CreationDate="2017-05-16T17:21:55.307" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12450" PostId="4492" Score="0" Text="This &quot;question&quot; has turned into a rant.  VTC" CreationDate="2017-05-16T19:30:03.187" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12451" PostId="4492" Score="0" Text="@RichardU See the explanation in the question. I also explained at the end why I consider this important." CreationDate="2017-05-16T19:30:30.110" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12453" PostId="4492" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I'm frustrated, but being frustrated is not the same as refusing to give a reasoned defense and to listen to feedback. Every point you've tried to make, I've clarified in the question why I rejected those reasons. I had gone through all this in my head prior to the question, but I added it to the question *because* the suggestions were raised explicitly. Explaining why I did so is certainly not &quot;ranting&quot; or &quot;rules lawyering.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-05-16T19:32:18.443" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12455" PostId="4492" Score="0" Text="@RichardU No, I don't want people to say I'm right, but if you're going to say I'm wrong, I expect a convincing case for it. I have personally lost comments, yes. I've never been *singled out* for no apparent reason before; that is not &quot;the culture of Workplace.&quot; If I did something wrong, I'm waiting for an actual explanation, not merely an unsupported claim when I've already considered that possibility." CreationDate="2017-05-16T19:38:52.653" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12465" PostId="4492" Score="1" Text="My comments get deleted frequently.  ;-)" CreationDate="2017-05-17T01:06:48.897" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12506" PostId="4492" Score="0" Text="Same, my comments are deleted all the time, best not to worry about it...." CreationDate="2017-05-19T15:50:36.113" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12529" PostId="4492" Score="1" Text="Workplace regularly deletes comments. Sometimes they get &quot;moved to chat&quot; which I can understand, but others I've seem them arbitrarily deleted." CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:37:44.517" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="12460" PostId="4493" Score="3" Text="I take it you did not actually read the updates to my post because I reference the very FAQ you linked to. copied several headers from it, and explained why the content of each section there does not apply. I know how SO/SE work normally. This does not seem to me to be a case of SE working normally, and because you have suggested it is, I spent more than half the post above explaining why I don't think that's the case. I request that you give me enough benefit of the doubt on this front to go through my post thoroughly. I welcome any specific responses you have to what I have written." CreationDate="2017-05-16T22:34:20.437" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12461" PostId="4493" Score="2" Text="Specifically on your post here, I do not see how it is insulting or rude to say that most of an answer is good and then explain that the extremely unprofessional behavior endorsed was enough that I decided to downvote instead of my planned upvote. Unless someone is going to be insulted when their suggestion of cussing out a superior is called unprofessional, but I hope we can agree that acting that way in the office would be so beyond the pale that feeling insulted is an improper response." CreationDate="2017-05-16T22:41:18.357" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12472" PostId="4493" Score="1" Text="@jmpc26 - Just because you are blind to the problem does not mean the problem does not exist.  I cant make you see something you refuse to look for." CreationDate="2017-05-17T18:20:22.013" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12479" PostId="4493" Score="1" Text="It is a little bit remarkable to me that you turn around and make a personal accusation while stating that someone else has violated the Be Nice policy. I have done *a lot* to explain my perspective. I admit I got frustrated for a while there, but even while frustrated, I tried to stick to the facts and give sound reasoning with evidence. I've gotten into specifics repeatedly to try to explain, but I don't recall seeing you do so at any point here. It is not helpful to repeat accusations without evidence like a mantra when someone is giving you reasoning and evidence to counter your claim." CreationDate="2017-05-17T22:43:41.543" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12494" PostId="4493" Score="0" Text="And if my comment is removed for such I wont come whining to meta about how unfairly i was treated because one of my comments was removed. And if i did, I wouldnt argue with everyone who to tried to explain why it was removed that they were all wrong and I was the only one right..." CreationDate="2017-05-18T14:48:35.003" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12497" PostId="4493" Score="2" Text="Calling someone or their post whiny is explicitly forbidden in the Be Nice policy. Assume good intentions. I have debated over this because I think it's important that policy gets applied as it was intended. SO policy is not designed to forbid a strong criticism of a post, and it is not helpful to the site to delete legitimate criticisms that, if given consideration and acted upon, would result in improvement of a post. And it certainly isn't a *nice* thing to do." CreationDate="2017-05-18T15:10:42.793" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12499" PostId="4493" Score="0" Text="Listen. I get that you're feeling frustrated. I've been there. But the heart and soul of the Be Nice policy is that we're not supposed to give in to those desires to not take people seriously. What the Be Nice policy is *really* about is to step back, read the other person's words carefully, and try to figure out what it is they're really getting at. That's what assume good intentions means. If you can't figure them out, it's okay to ask questions and try to clarify, but it's definitely *not* okay to assume there isn't a real point or start making fun of them. You're not doing that right now." CreationDate="2017-05-18T15:20:27.193" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12502" PostId="4493" Score="0" Text="Just FYI: I was assuming that you had deleted your own comments here, but in case not, I didn't flag them. Assuming I recall correctly, I haven't raised a single flag anywhere in this question." CreationDate="2017-05-18T15:30:01.340" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12504" PostId="4493" Score="0" Text="It doesnt matter they are comments they can be deleted.  All it takes is a certian number of flags from users and they get deleted." CreationDate="2017-05-18T17:00:01.127" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12516" PostId="4493" Score="1" Text="Several comments were removed by flags (not from the OP)." CreationDate="2017-05-21T19:23:46.713" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12523" PostId="4493" Score="0" Text="@jpmc26- No the heart and soul of the be nice policy is that we are supposed to be nice and considerate and helpful.  None of your comments here really meet that IMO (not saying mine do or that I am better) The be nice policy has been very inconsistantly enforced and defined.  Requests for clarification were scoffed at.  I am really hoping they eventually give me a permanent ban so I can kick my SE Addiction once and for all." CreationDate="2017-05-22T14:30:54.573" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12443" PostId="4494" Score="3" Text="As [per meta](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/2373/260382) this notice only shows up for users below 2k rep. This is also a site-wide feature and not something sites can opt out of. Before we even consider opting out you'd have to convince SE to make that possible." CreationDate="2017-05-16T18:14:12.087" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12456" PostId="4494" Score="0" Text="`try to post a helpful answer being attacked for their efforts in the comments`: I don't think I've ever seen this happen? Do you have an example of this?" CreationDate="2017-05-16T20:30:19.377" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="12457" PostId="4494" Score="0" Text="@Carpetsmoker Just because you did not find it helpful does not mean that it was not posted with the intent of being helpful.  How about right here." CreationDate="2017-05-16T20:50:41.690" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12459" PostId="4494" Score="1" Text="I am confused; I merely asked for clarification? Obviously you feel there is a problem to solve, and I'm interested to learn more so we can find other ways to solve it." CreationDate="2017-05-16T21:07:26.997" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="12463" PostId="4494" Score="1" Text="@Carpetsmoker For the record, IDrinkandIKnowThings is most likely posting this as a reaction to [this comment](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4492/why-was-my-comment-on-this-answer-deleted/4493?noredirect=1#comment12429_4492). (And no, I'm not following you around. I saw this in The Water Cooler.)" CreationDate="2017-05-16T23:02:23.720" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12444" PostId="4495" Score="3" Text="I think it just comes down to the semantics. SE has been known to do stupid things like disallowing comments that start with +1 or -1, but starting with &quot;I am upvoting/downvoting because ...&quot; or putting +1 or -1 elsewhere is ok! Also, &quot;Downvoted because doing this without considering XYZ is terrible advice&quot; and &quot;Downvoted because you did not consider XYZ&quot; are not really so different, people choose one or the other depending on how strongly they feel or even based on their language proficiency." CreationDate="2017-05-16T18:31:34.943" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12445" PostId="4495" Score="3" Text="@MaskedMan it may at times seem like a distinction without a difference, but tone does matter.  I once edited a question for tone and it went from -5 to +22.  Now, comments don't get voted down for tone, but they can get deleted for tone.  The &quot;Be nice&quot; policy is always a good rule to follow." CreationDate="2017-05-16T18:41:17.057" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12446" PostId="4495" Score="1" Text="I think you are asking alot with some of our users to use common sense when posting a comment.  I would probably never comment if i did." CreationDate="2017-05-16T19:14:35.507" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12464" PostId="4495" Score="3" Text="I don't really see much difference between &quot;The problem with this answer is the missing X&quot; and &quot;This answer can be improved by adding X&quot;. Neither of them sound like a violation of the Be Nice policy. I agree that comments like &quot;Ha ha, you are such an idiot, how could you miss X&quot; should be flagged and deleted, but I think it goes too far to extend that to all sorts of comments that use a somewhat negative choice of words, while carrying the same meaning." CreationDate="2017-05-17T00:55:45.960" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12469" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings :D now THAT was funny." CreationDate="2017-05-17T12:46:04.807" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12470" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I think that refraining from editorializing is the key.  At this point I think that putting a -1 on a comment, in general, irritates people.  Avoid words like stupid, idiotic, horrible, et cetera, and I think it goes a long way.  We're here to help, after all." CreationDate="2017-05-17T12:47:24.607" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12481" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="Does content that endorses verbally abusing other members of your company warrant a stronger reaction than &quot;I think you should consider...&quot;? I think it certainly does. What language do you recommend for very strong negative reactions, where &quot;I think you should consider...&quot; simply doesn't express the severity of the problem?" CreationDate="2017-05-17T23:27:19.193" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12482" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="@jpmc26 Remember the &quot;be nice&quot; policy" CreationDate="2017-05-17T23:28:43.793" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12483" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="I'll rephrase my question. What language do you think expresses a very strong negative reaction and complies with the Be Nice policy?" CreationDate="2017-05-17T23:29:45.230" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12484" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="@jpmc26 Well, you can start by not accusing someone of being abusive, and go from there.  While you're at it, you may want to refrain from misrepresenting what people say.  Just a thought." CreationDate="2017-05-17T23:32:02.113" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12485" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="Okay, but what language *can* someone use? What would you use to address content you believe to be extremely toxic?" CreationDate="2017-05-17T23:34:42.187" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12486" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="Or alternatively, if you wouldn't comment at all, what would you do?" CreationDate="2017-05-17T23:42:45.560" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12487" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="Is there a custom to reverse votes? Ever?" CreationDate="2017-05-18T07:40:19.663" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="12488" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="@WeckarE. It's encouraged, actually.  If there is a good edit, especially./" CreationDate="2017-05-18T12:39:59.303" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12489" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="@jpmc26 now THAT is a good question.  First, assume good intentions.  Second, your way to express displeasure is with the down-vote.  Comments are to **improve** Q&amp;A.  We have people of varying cultures and backgrounds here so a **HUGE** amount of leeway is warranted.  I'd also avoid words like &quot;toxic&quot; and other insulting language.  If you don't, the mods in here will eventually have a conversation with you.  Best to not get to that point." CreationDate="2017-05-18T12:45:29.793" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12490" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="@jpmc26 As to how I would address that post if I were in your position, I would probably post.  &quot;Cursing out your supervisor, even when resigning might not be the wisest of moves, I'd recommend against it&quot; or &quot;That could come back to haunt you in the future&quot;.  In other words, you can disagree without being disagreeable.  The &quot;Be Nice&quot; policy here is taken seriously." CreationDate="2017-05-18T12:47:36.877" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12491" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="Something that was made abundantly clear to me as a result of the &quot;Time to Take a Stand&quot; fiasco is that the Be Nice policy is *not* intended to suppress strong criticism. (That post had more concerns than just being a &quot;strong criticism,&quot; but that detail is beside the point here.)  If &quot;toxic&quot; is a word to be avoided, then Workplace.SE has an endemic problem as it's all over answers and is used to describe workplace environments *regularly* and the community is utterly failing at dealing with. I think you are taking the policy *way* farther than it was ever meant to go." CreationDate="2017-05-18T14:39:18.990" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12493" PostId="4495" Score="1" Text="Also, leveling a strong criticism at a particular body of text in a post is in no way equivalent to assuming bad intentions. It is a statement about the effect or quality of the post, no more and no less. &quot;Assume good intentions&quot; is actually better suited to *protecting* a strongly worded criticism; if you can't find an explicit accusation directed at a person, then this part of the policy tells you to assume the criticism was directed at the post, not the person. Assuming that a strongly worded criticism has bad intentions turns the policy on its head." CreationDate="2017-05-18T14:48:11.053" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12495" PostId="4495" Score="0" Text="@jpmc26 I'm not taking the policy anywhere, just suggesting to you alternative ways of handling things.  Critiques over criticism, and disagreeing without being disagreeable go very far here.  It took me a very long time to learn this.  Take the advice or don't." CreationDate="2017-05-18T14:49:25.580" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12462" PostId="4496" Score="4" Text="After you posted this answer, I edited to clarify. I've essentially responded to all by point 4 in your answer. RE point 4: If I were to suggest cussing out your superior, yes, I would ultimately be glad if someone called me out on it and told me it's a bad idea so that I would edit it out. I would be humbled, and it would be unpleasant. But it would be better for readers. (I don't expect a response; I post this comment for the consideration of future readers of your answer. Also note that this comment is fine; we're on Meta where the rules are different and discussion is not so unwelcome.)" CreationDate="2017-05-16T22:51:29.567" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12466" PostId="4497" Score="3" Text="How dare you take a break from deleting my comments!  ;-)" CreationDate="2017-05-17T01:23:31.163" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12467" PostId="4497" Score="2" Text="Thank you for answering. I am not worried about moderators taking significant action. I laid out my concerns at the end of the post. =/ To me, this seems like a user just wanting to shut down legitimate criticism. Yes, the comment had a *very* strong reaction; that was intentional because I felt the behavior being endorsed/promoted would be extremely damaging to anyone who did it. Is there no place for strong criticism on this SE? Isn't it problematic when someone can't point out  a major problem in a highly upvoted answer? What changes would it take for you to *not* delete such a comment?" CreationDate="2017-05-17T05:16:27.000" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12468" PostId="4497" Score="0" Text="@jpmc26 I think your question ( in the comment above ) is very subjective and bound to the context of the rest of the comments included with the answer." CreationDate="2017-05-17T12:31:58.857" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12471" PostId="4497" Score="3" Text="This is exactly what I said in my answer I just didnt use all them 3 dollar words :p;" CreationDate="2017-05-17T18:18:47.637" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12474" PostId="4497" Score="0" Text="I've thought about this a lot, and I have some... disagreements with your analysis. 1. The fact something is flagged is not in and of itself a reason to remove it; this is why we have human moderators reviewing the flags. 2. Your parenthetical statement is essentially the correct tone; however, I wouldn't call this &quot;accusational.&quot; It's certainly *mortified* or something similar, but that is far and away from making an accusation. I think this distinction matters: making wild accusations is something SE discourages, but afaik, there is no discouragement from expressing dismay." CreationDate="2017-05-17T22:06:46.040" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12475" PostId="4497" Score="0" Text="3. I've addressed this. 4. The fact you think it seemed &quot;discussiony&quot; suggests to me that you didn't read it very carefully. The first version *explicitly* disassociated most of the content from the one I suggested an interpretation for. Everything except the first sentence was clearly directed at the answer itself." CreationDate="2017-05-17T22:07:01.570" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12476" PostId="4497" Score="0" Text="5. I disagree. It's essentially an exclamation point. It is for emphasis because of the extremity of the content I was objecting to; having thought about it, this is normally the reason I put it in comments where I explain my downvote. If I don't feel the problem is extreme, I will typically not put it in. Even if you disagree, this one is so subjective that the &quot;assume good intentions&quot; seems to apply. Certainly, other reasonable readers wouldn't necessarily see it as you do, and I don't either." CreationDate="2017-05-17T22:07:05.097" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12477" PostId="4497" Score="0" Text="Lastly, your final note suggests you did not give the post here a thorough read, as I fairly explicitly laid out my concerns about this entire problem and they had little to nothing to do with further moderator action. My concern in all this is for the quality and integrity of the site. You may have seen a comment with a harsh reaction to a small portion of an answer, but I see an answer endorsing cussing out your superior (something that is categorically a bad idea for your career) and left unchallenged. Imo, this is not a good thing for Workplace.SE or its readers." CreationDate="2017-05-17T22:13:13.630" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12478" PostId="4497" Score="0" Text="I suspect that you probably just didn't give the comment as much thought as I have, and that's understandable. There are a few mods and a lot of content to handle. Giving the flagger the benefit of the doubt probably works well in 99% of cases. But I really don't buy the defense you've presented here." CreationDate="2017-05-17T22:14:47.203" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12480" PostId="4497" Score="0" Text="I think I may owe you an apology for my #1 remark above, but I can't edit it out at this point. I didn't state anything you didn't already know, so it's a bit condescending. It was not my intent to be so. I merely wanted to emphasize the moderator's role in reviewing flags and that flags are not always correctly raised. I assume you mean that it would probably have escaped moderator notice entirely without a flag, but I had already assumed it was flagged. You can see this throughout my question. So that also suggests a not very thorough reading, and it comes across as a bit condescending, too." CreationDate="2017-05-17T23:09:35.473" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12492" PostId="4497" Score="0" Text="`So I'm still left wondering why a person would flag this comment or why a moderator thought it warranted deletion.` -- I mean, I guess I'm not sure what else you want me to say. I gave the answer for this, explaining my rationale which... well I'm pretty sure is the answer since I did delete it after all. I've been trying to figure out what else to say here and am not really sure what you are looking for me to say." CreationDate="2017-05-18T14:41:55.823" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12496" PostId="4497" Score="2" Text="I am less looking for you to say anything and more saying that your thoughts about the comments assumed bad intentions that were not there. And that I think if you had looked more closely, you would have seen that there was no evidence of them and that there was evidence of good intentions. In short, I think deleting these comments was wrong. If you find my argument of that unconvincing, then there is nothing more to say." CreationDate="2017-05-18T15:03:59.030" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12503" PostId="4497" Score="0" Text="As something of a side note, you may find my responses over on IDrinkandIKnowThings illuminating in terms of how I think the Be Nice policy is supposed to work and why I don't think it applied to the comments you deleted." CreationDate="2017-05-18T15:30:56.173" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="12505" PostId="4497" Score="3" Text="I'd rather take a -1 comment like those ones than a silent -1. I might agree or disagree with the proposed improvement (take the high road) but at least I get some insight about other points of view." CreationDate="2017-05-18T22:31:58.417" UserId="62793" />
  <row Id="12508" PostId="4497" Score="1" Text="@jpmc26 I might point out too that it took the third iteration of the comment (after two comments and a meta post around the issue) before your comment had its intended effect ;-)   Regardless, I apologize for misunderstanding your intent and hope it was not too negative an experience for you. I appreciate you bringing this to meta though and discussing this." CreationDate="2017-05-19T17:35:07.330" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12509" PostId="4498" Score="2" Text="[Why do 'some examples' and 'list of things' questions get closed?](https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/a/7538/31260)" CreationDate="2017-05-19T20:37:06.890" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12512" PostId="4498" Score="6" Text="&quot;*with quite short and clear answers possible*&quot; How is that? This is a subject that *books* are written on." CreationDate="2017-05-20T11:47:08.423" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12514" PostId="4498" Score="0" Text="This is not a list of things question." CreationDate="2017-05-20T12:00:41.333" UserId="13306" />
  <row Id="12510" PostId="4499" Score="5" Text="You have four deleted questions as well, all of which are fairly downvoted - given you just asked one, it's possible it's temporarily rate limited (you just posted one). I'm actually not 100% sure how that works but I _think_ it manifests itself as that warning. I'll investigate that further." CreationDate="2017-05-20T03:42:29.870" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12511" PostId="4499" Score="1" Text="@enderland it's a warning, see eg [Why won't the system allow me to ask questions for several days?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/271542/839601)" CreationDate="2017-05-20T10:50:45.750" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12515" PostId="4499" Score="0" Text="@enderland thank you!" CreationDate="2017-05-20T15:52:08.047" UserId="8603" />
  <row Id="12513" PostId="4500" Score="0" Text="I added examples of the possible answers that I would have expected." CreationDate="2017-05-20T12:00:14.950" UserId="13306" />
  <row Id="12522" PostId="4501" Score="0" Text="Voted to reopen" CreationDate="2017-05-22T12:55:13.177" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12554" PostId="4501" Score="0" Text="Hmm strange, I am not among the reopen voters. I am fairly sure I had voted to reopen before making this post. Never mind, question is reopened now." CreationDate="2017-05-26T02:13:03.890" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12518" PostId="4502" Score="3" Text="Because people thought *This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful*. Votes in meta are also less *meaningful* than the actual site as it doesn't cause a reputation loss. I would suggest that you chalk it up to experience and move on" CreationDate="2017-05-22T09:52:00.950" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12519" PostId="4502" Score="0" Text="@Draken Think the OP's worry is more about why people are downvoting a meta question instead of answering. Meta downvotes make no sense IMO." CreationDate="2017-05-22T09:58:29.890" UserId="13258" />
  <row Id="12521" PostId="4502" Score="6" Text="[Meta votes can show agreement or disagreement. They can also show that people find the question not very useful](http://stackoverflow.com/help/whats-meta)" CreationDate="2017-05-22T11:16:11.067" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12539" PostId="4502" Score="0" Text="related: [How do I participate in Meta and not die trying?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/44188/165773)" CreationDate="2017-05-22T21:38:10.370" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12542" PostId="4502" Score="1" Text="for what it's worth, It's at -4 now." CreationDate="2017-05-23T13:03:06.233" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12546" PostId="4502" Score="1" Text="Would not have posted if would have cared about." CreationDate="2017-05-23T14:59:24.163" UserId="13306" />
  <row Id="12547" PostId="4503" Score="0" Text="I was genuinely interested in exactly the question I have asked, and I had no other goal than to know the thing I am asking for. I however agree that I think (and still think) that the &quot;community reaction&quot; I faced is mostly guided by the members who just do not want certain things to hear about and others to know, so took action to suppress the answer appearing. I have posted two questions on Meta to pay the community attention to this fact. Now done." CreationDate="2017-05-23T15:01:45.947" UserId="13306" />
  <row Id="12549" PostId="4503" Score="1" Text="@eee Keep in mind that downvotes don't really suppress questions, at least not on meta. Answers can be affected by that but that's not the issue here. I think the bad reception you got was mostly due to the way you approached the questions and some of the wording you used." CreationDate="2017-05-23T17:32:23.007" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12524" PostId="4504" Score="3" Text="Voted to reopen" CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:02:00.987" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12527" PostId="4504" Score="0" Text="I didn't see it as a legal question but one seeking an opinion on a company policy. That's why I voted to close it. At most it's &quot;should I go see a lawyer?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:32:58.693" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="12531" PostId="4504" Score="0" Text="agreed, I VTRO as well" CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:38:40.967" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12525" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="Paying someone for going to an interview is not a widely stated thing and will vary from company to company. Hence the close vote on the company-specific regulations. We can't dictate whether company A would pay or company B would pay for travel expenses as it's up to each company's regulation." CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:23:32.950" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12526" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="Hi @Draken the OP is asking if it's ok to ask for travel expenses. Which seems a reasonable question. Many of the questions can be categorised as company specific if we try to establish a link. Eg: [this](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/90229/the-mysterious-salary-formula) asks about salary formula. Some companies might have, some might not (should be closed based on the above argument?). Having said that, I realise there's too much of a discussion on the super aggressive closing behaviour on this site :). I leave it to the community to decide what's good for the site." CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:30:55.417" UserId="13258" />
  <row Id="12528" PostId="4505" Score="3" Text="I see it as a question about a specific policy.  I agree that we're often **way** too aggressive in closing, but this seems off-topic to me. If not the reason given, then for asking for advice." CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:35:46.500" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="12530" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="hi @ChristopherEstep Every question about workplace is an advice seeking one (almost). Unless it's governed by law (in which case it doesn't fall into workplaceSE), it would be someone seeking some kind of an advice about the situation they find themselves in. I'm not entirely sure that workplaceSE can be an objective site like stackoverflow." CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:38:17.483" UserId="13258" />
  <row Id="12532" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="Perhaps if the OP edits it to ask if one should inquire about expenses for an interview?" CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:40:29.717" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12533" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="@RichardU that's where the community kicks in. If we close the question just stating that it's off topic because it's specific to a policy, we end up losing good questions just because the community did not kick in for the edit part, but kicked in for the close votes. I'm going ahead and editing the question. I'll include what you've suggested." CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:48:06.313" UserId="13258" />
  <row Id="12534" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="Honestly, I was surprised it was considered off-topic, for reasons similar to what @Ricketyship said... but not to worry. I'm happy to edit the question if it'll be re-opened. &#xA;&#xA;What would you suggest the question &quot;Should I be entitled to (or ask for) some sort of compensation?&quot; be changed to? Bear in mind it's not just about asking for travel expenses to be paid (I imagine that's been asked before), but about whether the circumstance should define compensation or recourse." CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:51:59.927" UserId="70195" />
  <row Id="12535" PostId="4505" Score="0" Text="**scratch that, @Ricketyship beat me to it!" CreationDate="2017-05-22T15:54:40.527" UserId="70195" />
  <row Id="12536" PostId="4507" Score="0" Text="Agreed. Would it not make sense to edit it rather than ask for close votes then? Also, please note that the OP is not asking if a company will provide compensation. He asks if he can ask for compensation. The former is company policy. The later is a professionalism based question." CreationDate="2017-05-22T19:24:56.167" UserId="13258" />
  <row Id="12537" PostId="4507" Score="0" Text="And I appreciate the fact that you took time to edit the question. I feel the community is a bit too aggressive on closing. And I'm not sure how many of those who use the close votes try to edit the question to make it on-topic (or even provide comments on how to make it better). This way, we will lose out on good content just because the wording was wrong." CreationDate="2017-05-22T19:32:06.303" UserId="13258" />
  <row Id="12538" PostId="4507" Score="4" Text="@Ricketyship - Actually this is exactly how its meant to work,  put the question on hold, fix it, reopen." CreationDate="2017-05-22T19:40:06.383" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12540" PostId="4507" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings, thank you for taking the time to edit the post without editing it too much. Tbh, I don't agree with the title change... but if it gets the thread re-opened then fair enough. When will it be taken off hold?" CreationDate="2017-05-23T07:29:36.247" UserId="70195" />
  <row Id="12543" PostId="4507" Score="0" Text="@DanWilson as soon as it gets two more reopen votes." CreationDate="2017-05-23T13:05:07.760" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12548" PostId="4507" Score="0" Text="@DanWilson - It is what differentiates the question from other already asked questions about remuneration for interview expenses." CreationDate="2017-05-23T16:31:34.383" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12555" PostId="4507" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings, I'm not so sure - it had almost 3,000 views with its old title and, since the change, only a couple of hundred. Also, it seems too easy to close a thread, and really difficult to have it re-opened... even after it's been edited. Not to worry, I got the answers I was after." CreationDate="2017-05-26T09:22:47.427" UserId="70195" />
  <row Id="12550" PostId="4508" Score="1" Text="We should point to the question (closed or not) that has the best answer." CreationDate="2017-05-24T16:46:20.590" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12551" PostId="4508" Score="3" Text="It's particularly interesting in this case because while it may be duplicate of the question on unorthodox content, it's not a duplicate of the 'parent' question about adult entertainment." CreationDate="2017-05-24T17:29:26.467" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12552" PostId="4508" Score="0" Text="related: [Marking question as duplicate of duplicate](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/250202/839601) (at MSO)" CreationDate="2017-05-24T17:35:26.407" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12557" PostId="4508" Score="0" Text="Hold my controversial job, I'm going in!" CreationDate="2017-05-26T18:41:49.367" UserDisplayName="user53861" />
  <row Id="12553" PostId="4510" Score="3" Text="&quot;How to handle co-worker's... &quot; is a pretty common question here. Lots of people seem to have lots of problems with their coworkers and can't figure out how to handle the situation. And of course reading such a question tends to cause some folks to think &quot;Hey, I have a problem with my coworker. I can ask for help here.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-05-25T01:07:25.020" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12558" PostId="4514" Score="1" Text="Probably not in my opinion" CreationDate="2017-05-26T20:19:21.980" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12559" PostId="4514" Score="3" Text="You should include some questions which you think could be tagged with it. That would make it easier for the community to evaluate your proposal." CreationDate="2017-05-27T01:11:07.773" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12562" PostId="4514" Score="0" Text="I don't understand why that would be useful." CreationDate="2017-05-28T23:56:27.650" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12564" PostId="4514" Score="1" Text="I doubt it would be useful for anything other than inciting anger" CreationDate="2017-05-30T12:53:59.783" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12560" PostId="4516" Score="2" Text="Thank you for pointing this user out; the tone of their &quot;answer&quot; is not acceptable and it looks like the community is dealing with it." CreationDate="2017-05-27T12:35:00.667" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="12561" PostId="4519" Score="5" Text="Seems like a silly tag to me. I would nuke it." CreationDate="2017-05-28T23:54:07.070" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12563" PostId="4519" Score="4" Text="*Let's not go there, tis a silly place*, cloppity, cloppity, clop" CreationDate="2017-05-29T07:27:26.877" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12565" PostId="4519" Score="3" Text="@Draken it's only a model." CreationDate="2017-05-30T12:54:42.693" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12570" PostId="4519" Score="2" Text="Most of the questions can be retagged easily enough..." CreationDate="2017-05-30T16:09:40.140" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12566" PostId="4520" Score="0" Text="I agree.  A tag like that just encourages gossip." CreationDate="2017-05-30T12:55:22.940" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12580" PostId="4523" Score="0" Text="Note that the original question has been reopened. There may be significant overlap with your newer question." CreationDate="2017-06-02T20:02:37.410" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12581" PostId="4523" Score="0" Text="If they are fundamentally different then that is not an issue.  If they are not then the rollback was not justified." CreationDate="2017-06-02T22:08:16.287" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="12573" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="I feel the question has good merit and in a more generic form is valuable to professionals in other fields who find themselves overspecialized.  This is a major issue in all kinds of technical fields." CreationDate="2017-06-01T22:03:39.457" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="12574" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="I remember talking to a mechanical engineer last year about how since he has become an expert on pump design other avenues are completely closed to him." CreationDate="2017-06-01T22:06:39.537" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="12575" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="So when speaking to that expert, he said he was an expert in &quot;pump design&quot;, he didn't omit his speciality, and yet you still found what he said useful. In fact, the conversation would have been a lot weirder if he had spoken of his field in super generic terms." CreationDate="2017-06-01T22:10:42.497" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="12576" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="Also, I believe that &quot;ERP&quot; without any explanation is jargon and it would have been great if he had linked the term to a Wikipedia page explaining the acronym. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_resource_planning But as far as I'm concerned &quot;Java&quot; is not jargon, Java is a programming language. If we have to remove that word from the question, then I suppose you'll want to remove the word &quot;Chinese&quot; from the following question (because I'll bet you do not know Chinese either). https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/79311/how-do-i-indicate-a-localization-project-on-my-resume" CreationDate="2017-06-01T22:27:13.850" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="12577" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="I agree.  These words were not &quot;jargon&quot;, these were skill-sets and disciplines, and getting pidgeon-holed in IT is a much more common and greater issue than it is in other disciplines." CreationDate="2017-06-02T02:13:31.160" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12578" PostId="4524" Score="1" Text="Right but would an answer for a pump design specialist looking for strategies to overcome overspecialization and an Oracle HR ERP specialist looking to overcome overspecialization be fundamentally different?  I would see these as likely duplicates, so the site it better served by having one generic question." CreationDate="2017-06-02T14:43:03.620" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="12582" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="The details do not matter because what specific skills to learn has been defined as OFF TOPIC.  The generalized question is better because it is more appliciable." CreationDate="2017-06-05T15:47:09.847" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12613" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="@Myles the Mech Engineer's problem is that he/she can't communicate. He/she isn't an &quot;expert on pump design,&quot; but probably an expert (or at least knowledgeable) about a whole list of topics, which just happen to be *useful* for designing pumps. The *list* is what makes him/her employable, not his current specific *job*." CreationDate="2017-06-13T17:55:00.890" UserId="40357" />
  <row Id="12617" PostId="4524" Score="0" Text="@alephzero Do you feel the same way about the HR ERP specialist? The overall point I'm trying to make here is that it doesn't matter which specialization we are talking about, the root problem and the answers all end up being the same.  The current edit of the question keep this tack, my edit was rolled back because I removed details of HR ERP specialization that were apparently integral to the question." CreationDate="2017-06-14T15:33:07.813" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="12579" PostId="4525" Score="0" Text="It's interesting though that while I see it as an edge case in current form.  In the more generic form of &quot;What are strategies for maintaining career mobility when in a senior specialist role?&quot; is much more on topic." CreationDate="2017-06-02T14:45:04.933" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="12600" PostId="4525" Score="0" Text="*If a question doesn't make sense without a dozen TLAs and buzz-words then it's not a very good question.* - Maybe we could put this in the [help] and the new user asking a question popup" CreationDate="2017-06-08T16:56:08.230" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12583" PostId="4528" Score="0" Text="Good edit.  It has been reopened" CreationDate="2017-06-05T20:34:15.967" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12584" PostId="4529" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that title is a good improvement" CreationDate="2017-06-06T07:11:24.957" UserId="70927" />
  <row Id="12585" PostId="4529" Score="1" Text="@workharder You are welcome. This is how things usually work over here on The Workplace. We put a question in less than ideal form on hold, then someone edits it and/or makes a meta post, and we reopen it. :) Sometimes, we also have close/reopen tennis matches when people don't agree that the edits are a substantial improvement, but I think that won't happen with this question." CreationDate="2017-06-06T08:32:33.930" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12588" PostId="4530" Score="0" Text="I flagged it for mod attention, and cast a delete vote.  two more and it's gone" CreationDate="2017-06-06T18:40:46.763" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12589" PostId="4530" Score="3" Text="Probably the same troll with a new name: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/92236/is-it-o-k-to-tell-islamic-greeting-to-my-christians-coworkers" CreationDate="2017-06-06T19:01:41.240" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12595" PostId="4530" Score="0" Text="https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/92251/how-to-handle-discrimination-at-work As we can see, the trolls are having fun today. That was what I indicated when I flagged the first two instances, and was hoping to avoid. So it goes." CreationDate="2017-06-06T20:11:14.180" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12596" PostId="4530" Score="1" Text="@looks like the troll's account has been deleted" CreationDate="2017-06-07T20:26:32.977" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12590" PostId="4531" Score="0" Text="Okay, thanks. One delete vote matters more than I would have imagined. I don't see a way to cast a delete vote for https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/92236/is-it-o-k-to-tell-islamic-greeting-to-my-christians-coworkers. Perhaps I'm missing it." CreationDate="2017-06-06T19:07:58.693" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12591" PostId="4531" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere the question has to hit -3 first - from the 20k rep privileges [Voting to delete questions with a score of -3 or lower immediately after they are closed](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/trusted-user)" CreationDate="2017-06-06T19:17:03.970" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12592" PostId="4531" Score="0" Text="Got it, thanks." CreationDate="2017-06-06T19:18:15.123" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12593" PostId="4531" Score="4" Text="@JoeStrazzere &quot;One delete vote matters more than I would have imagined&quot; -- it converts an action from a unilateral moderator action to a multi-user action, even with just 1 delete vote. That's very meaningful!" CreationDate="2017-06-06T19:23:06.160" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12597" PostId="4531" Score="0" Text="The mods here are loathe to act in lieu of the community, but if the community shows up with torches and pitchforks.....  LOL." CreationDate="2017-06-07T21:05:14.630" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12598" PostId="4531" Score="0" Text="@RichardU given that mods over here are 20K users themselves I find it reasonable for them to prefer acting based on rep level privileges instead of using &quot;nuclear&quot; diamond options - specifically using delete votes on garbage / troll questions" CreationDate="2017-06-07T21:20:34.670" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12599" PostId="4531" Score="1" Text="Could you possibly add an in the event of a highly voted troll question... section" CreationDate="2017-06-08T16:52:09.640" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12601" PostId="4532" Score="2" Text="I agree, Accept and Edit was the better option here." CreationDate="2017-06-09T10:56:18.057" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12602" PostId="4532" Score="1" Text="To me you were just making changes to hit the edit changes limit, which was the wrong way to go about things. In the end the post only needed those two changes and the rest were superfluous. Sadly, as a low rep user there is an edit limit and the reasoning is mostly covered [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/190952/why-are-trivial-edits-prohibited-in-stackoverflow)" CreationDate="2017-06-09T11:31:07.757" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12603" PostId="4533" Score="1" Text="Thanks for answering. I assumed the message by the **Community ♦** user was generated automatically. It just was so odd to receive a message saying &quot;You did not fix critical issues with this post. Check the edit history to see what should have been changed&quot;. Especially in this specific case it is just not fitting. Again, thanks for clearing things up, I understand your reasoning." CreationDate="2017-06-09T13:50:01.797" UserId="40539" />
  <row Id="12604" PostId="4533" Score="5" Text="&quot;*I don't know of any standard guidance on when to pick one over the other*&quot; Interestingly I can't find a meta thread about it. But common sense would say that any time you'd reject the change, you'd also want hit &quot;Reject and Edit&quot; rather than &quot;Improve&quot;. The former is to send a signal that there was something wrong, the latter is for good edits that can still use some extra work." CreationDate="2017-06-09T15:19:11.103" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12609" PostId="4534" Score="1" Text="Thanks for your take on this and again for your comment on David's answer. I think you made a good distinction on when &quot;Improve&quot; should be chosen over &quot;Reject &amp; Edit&quot; and vice-versa. In this sense &quot;Reject &amp; Edit&quot; was the right choice here, although the automatic message sent hides the actual intentions that were tried to express." CreationDate="2017-06-12T07:19:48.797" UserId="40539" />
  <row Id="12605" PostId="4535" Score="0" Text="I'd cast the final reopen vote, but I do wonder if the language is still a bit strong. &quot;I'm agitated&quot; and &quot;How do I deal with such coworkers&quot; seems like it would channel responses (and prompt downvotes). More professional or open-ended phrasing might help reverse some of those downvotes. EDIT: Actually, HLGEM's chatroom answer seems based on that rather arrogant attitude so perhaps this is worth keeping as is." CreationDate="2017-06-10T09:15:13.350" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12606" PostId="4535" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal Right I thought long and hard about softening the language even further, but one of the key points in the answer would include the OP's attitude as at least a part of the issue, so I decided to just cut down on the part where the junior is called arrogant, and not clean up the tone entirely. Unfortunately it means the question may still attract downvotes, I will try to think of a way to address both issues, and make a further edit if I find it." CreationDate="2017-06-10T10:22:20.957" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12607" PostId="4535" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal 4 reopen votes now." CreationDate="2017-06-10T23:42:05.790" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12608" PostId="4535" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Thanks, final reopen cast." CreationDate="2017-06-11T10:12:16.663" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12611" PostId="4535" Score="1" Text="That a Good answer exists or can exist is not a reason to reopen a bad question.  This is still a bad question.  Please reclose or edit into a constructive on topic question that isnt asking for general what to do." CreationDate="2017-06-12T17:03:23.100" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12649" PostId="4535" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I attempted to edit to an on-topic question related to the behavior of the employee rather than the employee's experience itself. In doing so, I feel like to bring this question to an on-topic question, most of the question needs to be re-written, as it seems to be a rant based solely on the employee being referenced." CreationDate="2017-06-20T06:16:37.967" UserId="60246" />
  <row Id="12614" PostId="4537" Score="0" Text="Its not a what do a do question, it is a how do I (or your team in this case) learn a skill.  Its not really about navigating the workplace so much as just doing the job... which is off topic." CreationDate="2017-06-13T21:02:39.637" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12612" PostId="4538" Score="1" Text="I can confirm - Security chat would be an excellent first stop. The question as it stands would be off topic on our site currently, for the reasons Walmart mentioned, but we can definitely help." CreationDate="2017-06-13T11:32:31.410" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="12619" PostId="4546" Score="3" Text="but is it ethical to change the text there?" CreationDate="2017-06-16T02:56:15.953" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12634" PostId="4546" Score="0" Text="So, you're saying that we have unethical use of the ethics tag?  Do we need a pre-meeting meeting to determine if a meeting is required to set up a future meeting on the subject of that meeting?" CreationDate="2017-06-16T17:57:19.470" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12643" PostId="4546" Score="0" Text="Not unethical just improper.  its not unethical to make an honest mistake." CreationDate="2017-06-19T00:38:07.840" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12627" PostId="4547" Score="0" Text="That was my thought too." CreationDate="2017-06-16T15:25:06.470" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12635" PostId="4547" Score="0" Text="I wonder what percentage of the users are NOT in the software industry on this site." CreationDate="2017-06-16T17:58:11.290" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12637" PostId="4547" Score="1" Text="@RichardU Impossible to say but as you can see on the site analytics page, 75% of our traffic comes from off-site search engines. Regulars are probably overwhelmingly active in IT-related roles but we've got a lot of one-time askers and massive numbers of anonymous readers who get here because of SE's high search ranking and not through technical sites." CreationDate="2017-06-17T13:04:16.010" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12625" PostId="4551" Score="1" Text="dup of https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3255/2322? I think [this answer there](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3256/2322) is the best approach" CreationDate="2017-06-16T15:06:09.853" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12626" PostId="4551" Score="0" Text="Are these questions that you've asked yourself or ones that you've read and applied the answers to your own experiences?" CreationDate="2017-06-16T15:16:34.773" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12630" PostId="4551" Score="0" Text="@enderland Oh, nice, didn't know this was already asked here before." CreationDate="2017-06-16T15:37:51.667" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12638" PostId="4553" Score="1" Text="That is quite a wall of text you have there. Whenever you find yourself adding footnotes and titles in a *question*, you're usually adding too much detail. Scanning your text, is your question simply &quot;*How can I get my colleague to assign me tasks or give me information?*&quot;? It should be more than one line of course but that question doesn't require anywhere near as much information or detail. Scrapping most of that unnecessary info will also help conceal your identity." CreationDate="2017-06-17T13:08:56.420" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12639" PostId="4553" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal: yeah, I'm aware of having that problem, thats why I'm asking about it here. after I finished the text and just read it I had allready the same impression as what you said. But I'm having asperger what leads in those regards for me in having trouble seeing what is important for others and what not to get the full picture, when not giving the whole picture. Since I allready have in such a situation trouble to detect the behavior of other that lead to a problem. So I can't break it down to the real problem since I'm not quite sure what even the real problem was *sigh*" CreationDate="2017-06-17T13:12:35.983" UserId="26185" />
  <row Id="12640" PostId="4553" Score="0" Text="Have a look at Kate's excellent answer. She touches on the points that are actually relevant and explicitly mentions the key problems in your story that you need to address (i.e. stuff you need to resolve or bring to your manager). You can use that as a guideline in shortening your question. Your question is over a 1000 words long. I think you can fit everything into 300 or less." CreationDate="2017-06-17T13:14:08.547" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12641" PostId="4553" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal: Challange accpeted. But it will take me quite some time especially since phrasing it took me allready close to 2 hours and I have to leave for today. But still thanks for your input and help." CreationDate="2017-06-17T13:17:49.913" UserId="26185" />
  <row Id="12642" PostId="4553" Score="0" Text="As a general note, you should usually avoid posting over the weekend on this site as it grows very quiet then. You'll get more exposure and input on both the main site and meta during the week." CreationDate="2017-06-18T17:30:31.603" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12644" PostId="4553" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal: yeah I noticed it allready jsut by doing it. By the way, is the post better after the recent edits, or should I still try to improve it?" CreationDate="2017-06-19T06:10:04.643" UserId="26185" />
  <row Id="12645" PostId="4553" Score="1" Text="It's much better yes. You could probably remove some of the details of the conversation with your coworker and summarise it as not getting the input you need, but in its present form this is probably up to our site standards. You probably should avoid using rare words like &quot;titubation&quot; though. With this meta thread you might be able to get some visibility on the question to get some of these downvotes reversed, but you might not get many more answers since the simple answer is that you should go to your manager. There's little else to be done and Kate's answer is fairly comprehensive." CreationDate="2017-06-19T08:08:42.763" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12646" PostId="4554" Score="2" Text="I think it shows up if you start having a back-and-forth conversation with someone, but I'm not positive." CreationDate="2017-06-19T15:09:21.400" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12647" PostId="4555" Score="6" Text="3 comments from each of 2 people, according to something Shog said that I can't find right now." CreationDate="2017-06-19T19:15:21.670" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12721" PostId="4555" Score="0" Text="Is / Was there a specific reason that individual users participating in a discussion can move their own conversation to chat, but other users can't vote to do this or do it on their own based on rep? Has there been a discussion of this previously or is this just how it was implemented initially? It seems like an issue that occurs commonly enough that having high-rep users able to do this might reduce some of the load on mods." CreationDate="2017-06-26T22:02:59.070" UserId="60246" />
  <row Id="12731" PostId="4556" Score="0" Text="If I remember it right, I once got my single comment moved to chat (which admittedly was an attempt to derail the question to a discussion about something else entirely)." CreationDate="2017-06-27T16:25:13.547" UserId="37016" />
  <row Id="12650" PostId="4557" Score="0" Text="I'm somewhat torn. On one hand there is a possibility for some non-political analysis, like how the target audience of the project (If it's indeed some charity work) could react very badly to finding out, but what it's turned into (especially with the now deleted answer) is mud slinging and people discussing the merits of donald trump, which is very far off topic for this site and essentially only strife and drama can come from that." CreationDate="2017-06-20T11:07:11.480" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="12652" PostId="4557" Score="0" Text="Are you referring to any mention of politics or specifically to the fact that this question is clearly about a certain political figure, which was evident even before the (now-removed) edit by the OP? The close is correct because this would need to be drastically rewritten but the core question is answerable and could be useful if it's completely anonymised. As long as a question is about &quot;talk of politics is affecting our workplace&quot; and not about actual politics then it seems appropriate here." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:04:23.393" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12653" PostId="4557" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - I am suggesting that The Workplace avoid political discussions and opinions. This is not the right forum, and if we allow one set of political questions, we'd need to allow all of them." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:06:26.680" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12656" PostId="4557" Score="4" Text="@JoeStrazzere Sure, I agree. But it seems to me that what you're referring to is a side-effect of people abusing the comment system and answers being about the politics rather than the workplace issue. You'll find that those have all been removed. I think the site should be capable of addressing questions that concern how generic, unspecified politics are affecting a workplace. &quot;*An employee is publicly supporting political ideals that our counter to our non-profit mission / corporate culture, how can we mitigate the impact this could have on us?*&quot; ..." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:21:01.067" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12657" PostId="4557" Score="0" Text="...is in my view answerable without going into the details of the politics and companies involved. I gave two absurd liberal examples in my comment on the question but this can equally cover religious organisations who have an employee that's championing antitheism or the IRA hiring someone who turns out to be anti-gun but who took the job for the paycheck. It's only a problem if questions mention those specifics because we'd then indeed get endless discussions about the political details." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:21:12.153" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12659" PostId="4557" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - I agree it's &quot;answerable&quot;, I just see bad things happening. Perhaps I'm being pessimistic here, and certainly the moderators will bear the brunt of the cleanup work. I think this is a rat hole best avoided. I guess we'll see." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:25:54.787" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12662" PostId="4557" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere True. I looked into editing this so as to avoid any real details but it's ultimately an unworkable question because some details are missing: nature of the project and company, nature of the work, likelihood of an association actually being discovered let alone it being a noteworthy association. The political details aren't relevant but the employment details are." CreationDate="2017-06-20T13:05:06.230" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12663" PostId="4557" Score="1" Text="I made a followup edit to your great edits earlier today and cleaned up comments. I think the core question is on topic but I share concern with you that it will devolve into an opinion fest and discussion. I guess we can see..." CreationDate="2017-06-20T13:55:34.367" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12664" PostId="4557" Score="3" Text="I'm all for healthy political discussion, and have strong opinions about the particulars in this question, but please *not in The Workplace!* This is where I come to avoid politics!" CreationDate="2017-06-20T13:58:29.747" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12665" PostId="4557" Score="1" Text="Political discussion !== Name-calling" CreationDate="2017-06-20T17:58:40.620" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="12666" PostId="4557" Score="1" Text="@JimG. - lately political discussion seems to devolve quickly into name calling. The question started out badly, and went south from there. Fortunately, enderland's heroic editing saved it from the trash heap. Hopefully, it will stay that way." CreationDate="2017-06-20T18:09:53.170" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12770" PostId="4557" Score="0" Text="In the end, this post wound up generating a lot of discussion that wasn't political, itself, and was as much *about* mixing politics and work, so great job by everyone who edited it into something that would be more objectively discussed." CreationDate="2017-06-30T13:48:24.900" UserId="58098" />
  <row Id="12651" PostId="4558" Score="1" Text="&quot;I expect more of these (or comments to the same effect) to come in since the subject of this is so politically charged.&quot; - I think it's inevitable, and why politics should be considered off-topic." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:02:16.073" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12654" PostId="4558" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I disagree that we should delete the questions because some people might post garbage answers. There are real and OK answers to that question, and it's generally in scope. In and of itself the question isn't political, but it's about what happens when politics disturbs a workplace." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:11:09.463" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="12655" PostId="4558" Score="0" Text="The original question had only a few adjectives that made it objectionable. But it inevitably devolved into yet another highly-charged political discussion. I see no way to avoid it other than quickly closing such questions." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:20:39.770" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12658" PostId="4558" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I think we should deal with it as it comes, remove / edit problematic answers and comments" CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:22:54.297" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="12660" PostId="4558" Score="2" Text="Hopefully, these will be dealt with quickly, before visitors decide this is a great place to vent their political spleen, and that becomes the norm. I've seen other forums devolve that way." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:27:30.817" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12661" PostId="4559" Score="5" Text="I also wondered if this was a trolling." CreationDate="2017-06-20T12:35:36.830" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12667" PostId="4560" Score="0" Text="I was actually a good boy on this one.  I surprised myself.  But in all seriousness, this is great advice we should all remember." CreationDate="2017-06-20T18:57:39.980" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12675" PostId="4560" Score="2" Text="This is not about navigating the workplace though.  Its about making business decisions.... those are off topic  If the question was we have decided to remove this person from the project team, what is the best way to communicate that with him, it would be on topic." CreationDate="2017-06-21T20:08:00.827" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12676" PostId="4560" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I answered the broader meta question.  The specific main-site question might have other issues, but we should be clear about when we're talking policy and when we're talking specific cases." CreationDate="2017-06-21T20:27:11.957" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12680" PostId="4560" Score="1" Text="I wish you would make that clear in this answer... I can see it being pointed out as saying see this is ok." CreationDate="2017-06-21T20:55:12.067" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12681" PostId="4560" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings done." CreationDate="2017-06-21T21:01:26.397" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12668" PostId="4561" Score="9" Text="I think in this case it is 100% on topic for academia whereas it is borderline on topic here at best." CreationDate="2017-06-21T17:48:30.750" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12671" PostId="4561" Score="0" Text="Sometimes it seems that as long as the word &quot;work&quot; or &quot;colleague&quot; is included, it's considered on-topic. For example, the case of this lunchtime near-fight seems to have nothing at all to do with The Workplace: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/93266/overwhelmed-by-the-reaction-from-a-colleague" CreationDate="2017-06-21T19:24:40.430" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12674" PostId="4561" Score="3" Text="This is not interpersonal relationships SE.  We are not here to help you act like an adult, we are here to help people navigate their workplace more effectively.  Just because it happens at work does not make it on topic here." CreationDate="2017-06-21T20:03:28.110" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12677" PostId="4561" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings yes, and the question that Joe linked to is rightly on hold.  Workplace issues often involve interpersonal aspects, but merely involving interpersonal aspects doesn't make it on-topic.  (On the other hand, having interpersonal aspects doesn't automatically make it *off*-topic, either.)" CreationDate="2017-06-21T20:31:14.437" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12678" PostId="4561" Score="0" Text="I have never claimed that it did." CreationDate="2017-06-21T20:45:34.310" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12683" PostId="4561" Score="4" Text="&quot;The premise of shrouding academia-related &quot;work&quot; questions under the guise of being a sort-of &quot;workplace&quot; seems iffy at best. They are different audiences with different goals, different process, different etiquette, and ultimately different solutions...&quot; ([Should we allow school/college-related questions?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/26/168))" CreationDate="2017-06-22T06:32:17.003" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12684" PostId="4561" Score="4" Text="@gnat As is every single workplace, when you look at it that way." CreationDate="2017-06-22T10:10:03.503" UserId="69086" />
  <row Id="12686" PostId="4561" Score="9" Text="**We aren't The Software Workplace or The White-Collar Professional Workplace** Yes a million times over.  I've taken a few week long breaks from this site over frustration around this exact issue." CreationDate="2017-06-22T16:31:00.080" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="12687" PostId="4561" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Dealing with conflict of interest is a significant workplace topic for professions relying on public trust.  If this were a judge, an engineer, or a doctor who is unable to guaranty that their personal feelings wouldn't impact their judgment that wouldn't be an &quot;interpersonal relationships.SE&quot; topic, it would be a workplace one.  It is no different for educators." CreationDate="2017-06-22T16:47:46.050" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="12688" PostId="4561" Score="2" Text="@Myles - I agree completely assuming the actors have some sort of peer relationship.  Student/Instructor is not a peer relationship.  It is also not a client relationship.  See my answer for dealing with that part." CreationDate="2017-06-22T16:59:17.623" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12689" PostId="4561" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I think that it's a mistake viewing this as a personal interaction problem rather than a tainted impartiality problem.  The question would be equally on topic if object of the conflict of interest was with an organization rather than an individual (eg &quot;I don't trust myself to be impartial when auditing Haliburton&quot;).  In my view the root issue here is &quot;how do I proceed when I cannot guaranty impartiality?&quot; and that shouldn't be dependent on the cause of the impartiality." CreationDate="2017-06-22T17:25:20.930" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="12693" PostId="4561" Score="2" Text="@Myles - The linked question is off topic for 2 other reasons besides the academia aspect, I suspect the Halliburton question would be as well.  The Niche aspect of Acedemia allows them to deal with a broader range of topics than we can with a more broad scope." CreationDate="2017-06-22T17:43:58.230" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16414" PostId="4561" Score="0" Text="The problem is that a student is **not** an employee and can't be fired.  They may have chosen the school, but perhaps not the teacher or even course (if its required) to take.  A student-teacher relationship is fundamentally different from employer/employee/coworkers." CreationDate="2018-09-13T23:19:53.620" UserId="3369" />
  <row Id="12669" PostId="4562" Score="11" Text="+1 The teacher-student relationship is something unique to academia and is different from a coworker, client, or manager. There are plenty of questions in an academic setting which would be appropriate for the Workplace, even some that involve students, but this one has so many academia-specific factors that it would be better over there." CreationDate="2017-06-21T18:18:07.183" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12672" PostId="4562" Score="2" Text="+1 While is is a pain and hassle to leave a job, it is nowhere near the level of pain and hassle to leave a school. I **pay** to attend the school (=lost tuition) and may have to repeat or take alternate classes if I go elsewhere. In addition, the power relationship between faculty-student is much different than those of manager-worker. A professor can sabotage years of my work, rendering them near-useless." CreationDate="2017-06-21T19:31:28.477" UserId="4675" />
  <row Id="12717" PostId="4562" Score="0" Text="Answers are, by definition, a list of potential solutions and individual answers often compare different solutions, so I think the &quot;is asking for a list&quot; part is fine (and yes, I know perfectly well that asking for lists is off topic, but here that's arguably not at the core of the question - it can be edited out and the question would still make perfect sense), but I otherwise agree with this answer." CreationDate="2017-06-26T15:28:24.987" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="12718" PostId="4562" Score="2" Text="@Dukeling [Why are “shopping list” questions bad?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/158809/163292)  Though I agree that part could be edited out.  The other issues not so much." CreationDate="2017-06-26T20:29:59.337" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12720" PostId="4562" Score="2" Text="And [Q&amp;A is Hard, Let’s Go Shopping!](https://stackoverflow.blog/2010/11/23/qa-is-hard-lets-go-shopping/) blog post by Jeff Atwood" CreationDate="2017-06-26T20:42:31.937" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12748" PostId="4562" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings  Your second linked article is about literal &quot;should I buy X or Y&quot; shopping lists, very few of the arguments seem all that applicable in this situation...  If questions that involve the premise &quot;What can I do in this situation&quot; are off topic as shopping lists then there is a lot of open questions that need close votes." CreationDate="2017-06-28T18:09:30.407" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="12749" PostId="4562" Score="1" Text="@Myles - Its still a shopping list, its just of things you can do instead of buy.  And yes myles there are a great deal of questions that should not be open here.  What should I do to get from X to Y is on topic.  What Y options do I have is not." CreationDate="2017-06-28T18:36:58.277" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12670" PostId="4563" Score="5" Text="It all depends.  daycare child =&gt; Parenting; because children are not the same as dealing with adults.  Prisoners are similarly a special case and would be off topic here.  Nurse - patient interaction that does not involve the practice of medicine, would be on topic.  Any sort of medical specific questions stops it being about navigating the workplace, and becomes about the practice of medicine, which is off topic." CreationDate="2017-06-21T18:47:12.543" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12673" PostId="4563" Score="0" Text="There are some things that a Nurse would have to deal with, such as HIPPA &amp; that whole life-and-death thing, that don't have an equivalent in the sundry office." CreationDate="2017-06-21T19:32:37.720" UserId="4675" />
  <row Id="12679" PostId="4563" Score="0" Text="@BryanH - Some of that could be on topic here i think.  the giving care part would be off topic, but This happened at work and now I need to deal with the fall out  questions could be on topic." CreationDate="2017-06-21T20:50:18.103" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12682" PostId="4563" Score="6" Text="We should maybe kick things to academia because academia.SE is a large community that handles exactly these sorts of questions with generally more expertise than we on average have here." CreationDate="2017-06-22T00:06:58.853" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12685" PostId="4565" Score="2" Text="&quot;*is going to be nearly **sentient** enough*&quot; Could you clarify/rephrase? Not sure what you mean." CreationDate="2017-06-22T10:54:43.633" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12690" PostId="4566" Score="3" Text="If you can't give a reliable answer, then don't answer.  Our community is diverse.  Suggesting that just because very few of us are of any of these categories that the community as a whole is unqualified to answer takes a very narrow view." CreationDate="2017-06-22T17:30:13.233" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="12691" PostId="4566" Score="1" Text="@Myles - [I am saying they dont belong here.](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/161413/163292)  However if our community  was self disciplined enough not to answer just because they do not know what the answer to the question is, then I would totally agree... There are a number of people that feel the need to answer every question even if their answer is basically worthless...  But even still that a good answer can exist does not make the question appropriate for this SE." CreationDate="2017-06-22T17:34:47.670" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12694" PostId="4566" Score="1" Text="There are probably people on SO answering C++ questions even though they only kinda know Visual Basic.  The remedy for wrong answers is downvotes." CreationDate="2017-06-22T18:38:26.927" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12696" PostId="4566" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio - Wrong answers are not really the problem... its the here is my opinion, now show me the rep, answers that bother me.  because its just opinion and its often popular even though its not a good answer it gets upvotes.  So the remedy is failing here.  Especially since it takes 5 down votes to offset a single up vote.  And again the questions do not belong here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Read the link" CreationDate="2017-06-22T19:21:05.700" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12698" PostId="4566" Score="1" Text="So, just to play devil's advocate, would that mean that questions about software houses should be diverted to Stack Overflow?" CreationDate="2017-06-23T12:27:49.293" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12699" PostId="4566" Score="0" Text="@RichardU StackOverflow is for programming-related questions, not workplace-programming-related questions, right?" CreationDate="2017-06-23T13:55:27.353" UserId="4675" />
  <row Id="12700" PostId="4566" Score="0" Text="@BryanH exactly. We wouldn't kick things over to SO because the querent happens to be a programmer." CreationDate="2017-06-23T13:56:37.047" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12703" PostId="4566" Score="7" Text="What about professions that are illegal only in ***some*** countries / jurisdictions?" CreationDate="2017-06-23T16:41:23.113" UserId="13903" />
  <row Id="12708" PostId="4566" Score="1" Text="questions about actual code are already off topic.  Questions about the process of writing code (software engineering) belong on Programmers.  Questions about the interpersonal relationships of a software house are really standard office questions.  They would be on topic unless they could be further generalized into a problem that exists that just happened to intersect with the workplace then it is off topic." CreationDate="2017-06-24T01:11:19.403" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="19498" PostId="4566" Score="0" Text="You realize that sex work is not illegal everywhere just because it's illegal where you live, right? If such questions are phrased correctly and are actually about the workplace, they most certainly _are_ on-topic. The same is true with the other professions you mention. Just because someone is a nurse does not mean any question they write is off-topic." CreationDate="2019-05-10T06:33:00.420" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="12719" PostId="4567" Score="1" Text="*academic workplace or that there are students involved doesn't automatically make it off-topic.* It has never been claimed that it did.  &quot;what can i do to help a student&quot; would be more on-topic until it brings in an aspect where academia diverges from normal workplace standards.  The workplace answer to &quot;Can I just give a copy of the exam they will be forced to take&quot; is very likely a different answer in the workplace than it is in academia." CreationDate="2017-06-26T20:37:09.460" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12701" PostId="4568" Score="0" Text="To be honest, when I saw that question on the front page, with the [migrated] suffix, I initially thought it was migrated *here* from elsewhere. I will go out on a limb here and say that I don't agree with the migration." CreationDate="2017-06-23T16:29:36.160" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12702" PostId="4568" Score="0" Text="However, rest of the post is practically unanswerable. While I admit that we are somewhat overzealous in putting questions on hold, getting into hypothetical discussions without specific examples doesn't get us anywhere. Our community members also spend quite a lot of effort trying to *reopen* questions, by making edits, creating meta posts, discussing in chatroom, and engaging with the OP to get more details." CreationDate="2017-06-23T16:30:55.717" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12704" PostId="4568" Score="0" Text="&quot;*In fact, with the way the Workplace is currently, it should be renamed to Professionalism.*&quot; I assume this was intended as sarcasm, as in &quot;All you guys cover is stuff with a professionalism tag&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-06-23T18:21:56.437" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12705" PostId="4568" Score="0" Text="&quot;*Other clearly measurable items*&quot; Not sure I know what you mean here." CreationDate="2017-06-23T18:22:24.963" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12706" PostId="4568" Score="1" Text="I would encourage you to read thorough the [on topic](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) section of the help center." CreationDate="2017-06-23T21:23:02.533" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12707" PostId="4568" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I don't intend it as sarcasm. I'm not great at getting my point across very well, so I apologize for that. I was pretty fried earlier too- tough week! However I feel that we are too critical of questions that are asked on this particular site. The current page for off-topic posts has a good description of what kind of questions should not be asked, yet it appears that a lot of questions which are closed as off-topic don't clearly and uniformly conform to these rules. This is where I think a bit of leniency should be served, as these questions are often relevant to many more people." CreationDate="2017-06-23T21:58:29.443" UserId="69870" />
  <row Id="12709" PostId="4568" Score="1" Text="@DonnachaConnolly A fair point and I guess this is the place to debate it, but keep in mind that those close votes are all community-led. It's the users who decide what kind of questions can and can't be covered here. If 5 people with close vote rights say that something is unanswerable here (or should be edited to be on-topic or clearer) then that's a fairly clear sign that the question is at the very least problematic." CreationDate="2017-06-24T11:40:10.760" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12710" PostId="4568" Score="0" Text="As a general note since you're seemingly new to the network, you should know that [voting works differently on meta](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/whats-meta)." CreationDate="2017-06-24T11:41:30.300" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12711" PostId="4570" Score="2" Text="The question wasn't closed as off-topic, it was simply migrated. The OP confused one issue with the other and tried to combine both in one meta post, which doesn't work very well." CreationDate="2017-06-24T20:20:25.683" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12713" PostId="4573" Score="1" Text="abusive is likely to be perceived bit broader than offensive. Posting uninteligible gibberish &quot;asdfgasdfg&quot; is rather easy to qualify as abuse of the site but one can argue that it doesn't intend to offend someone" CreationDate="2017-06-25T14:11:57.180" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12714" PostId="4573" Score="0" Text="@gnat I was thinking of gibberish posts, but that's one of the examples they give for VLQ.  I suppose somebody doing it *a lot* might attract abusive flags, and that wouldn't be wrong." CreationDate="2017-06-25T14:29:01.693" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12715" PostId="4573" Score="0" Text="[3 years ago](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/234035/165773) Shog recommended abusive for gibberish posts (confirming that VLQ/NAA would be okay too) and in the time that passed since it seems to become widely accepted practice. Back then he argued in favor of abusive flags that &quot;enough of them immediately delete and lock the post, which is handy in those rare scenarios where someone's flooding the site with a lot of these...&quot; and this probably worked well enough" CreationDate="2017-06-25T14:58:29.453" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12716" PostId="4575" Score="1" Text="I've always been creating a custom one in those cases. Maybe we should create one similar to [stack overflow's recommendation close reason](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/254393/what-exactly-is-a-recommendation-question)" CreationDate="2017-06-26T15:01:19.593" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="12739" PostId="4575" Score="0" Text="Too broad / opinion-based presumably also applies." CreationDate="2017-06-28T12:41:45.803" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="12769" PostId="4575" Score="0" Text="Not directed towards anyone specifically: The linked question is not a bad question, it just doesn't belong here.  I am not sure why they piled on the down votes.  I am not sure if there is a good SE to refer them to for that but I would think when you have a quality question that just doesn't belong we would try to be more helpful.&#xA;&#xA;This wasnt someone trying to get us to help him cheat, or wanting us to do it for them." CreationDate="2017-06-30T03:27:19.567" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12722" PostId="4576" Score="1" Text="These things tend to sort themselves out" CreationDate="2017-06-27T00:51:49.147" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12724" PostId="4576" Score="3" Text="The site doesn't really offer a mechanism for individual members to talk to other individual members privately. The best you can do is leave a public comment." CreationDate="2017-06-27T11:38:29.570" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12727" PostId="4576" Score="4" Text="I'd also encourage you to look at how much reputation this user has. If they're a low rep new user, they're probably still figuring out the site and customs around here and may respond well to helpful hints. If this person has been around for a while, then they probably are known for their direct and sometimes blunt way of writing. There's plenty of users like that around, they know who they are, and they likely don't want to, or need to, change that." CreationDate="2017-06-27T12:51:20.257" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12728" PostId="4576" Score="10" Text="Also, keep in mind that what you perceive as rude may just be a language barrier." CreationDate="2017-06-27T12:52:12.247" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12730" PostId="4576" Score="9" Text="In addition to what David said about the language barrier, consider the possibility of culture difference. We are an international community. Some users come from a culture where direct communication is the social norm, which people from other cultures may perceive as blunt or even rude. Assume good intentions and give the other person the benefit of doubt where you can." CreationDate="2017-06-27T14:51:42.417" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12738" PostId="4576" Score="1" Text="I'm guessing that the individual in question knows how their behavior is viewed by others and intends it that way." CreationDate="2017-06-28T11:24:19.693" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12778" PostId="4576" Score="1" Text="Probably just language barrier, I get that sometimes because my English isn't the best." CreationDate="2017-06-30T20:29:28.893" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12784" PostId="4576" Score="1" Text="If it's @Kilisi we're talking about, it's not a language barrier, it's more of a cultural barrier. Not that I find Kilsi's posts offensive, I wasn't born in the US so many things that others might consider offensive, I find completely normal." CreationDate="2017-07-04T10:43:20.280" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="12805" PostId="4576" Score="1" Text="@StephanBranczyk It's not me, I'm not consistently rude ... I take turns being a cheerful fluffy politically correct bunny" CreationDate="2017-07-06T04:20:15.677" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12726" PostId="4577" Score="1" Text="This is a very good answer. I'd appreciate it if you'd check out [a similar question in meta ELU](https://english.meta.stackexchange.com/q/10275/50044),&#xA; and any input is welcome." CreationDate="2017-06-27T12:38:15.963" UserId="44274" />
  <row Id="12790" PostId="4577" Score="0" Text="This is an extremely good answer, in particular the insight into the practical differences between comment flagging and post flagging from a moderator perspective." CreationDate="2017-07-05T05:52:37.520" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="12734" PostId="4578" Score="4" Text="If you disagree that a question should be closed, and have enough rep to cast a reopen vote then you can cast that vote when ever you feel appropriate.  SE assumes you have enough invested in the site that you wont abuse your abilities.  In theory I think the SE powers that be can take action should they find you are using them inappropriately but if you are doing it in good faith you have no worry about that." CreationDate="2017-06-27T20:45:50.643" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12833" PostId="4578" Score="0" Text="And in a couple of winter bash past, you'd get **A HAT** for doing that. (sorry can't find a link)." CreationDate="2017-07-07T16:41:39.840" UserId="17660" />
  <row Id="12729" PostId="4579" Score="0" Text="+1 this is the best workflow, plus it puts it into the &quot;reopen vote&quot; review queue that way so other people can review the edited question. I just cast the 5th reopen vote myself, as Joe said thanks for taking the time!" CreationDate="2017-06-27T14:00:46.490" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12733" PostId="4579" Score="0" Text="Agreed.  By casting a reopen vote, you're saying &quot;in its current form this question is ok&quot;.  Why does it matter if the edit was done by you or by user666 or someone else?  If you think it's ready, vote.  If you don't, don't (or vote &quot;leave closed&quot; if reviewing)." CreationDate="2017-06-27T18:07:35.763" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12736" PostId="4579" Score="0" Text="Diamond trifecta: fully agree as well. In fact I'd say that in most cases it doesn't make sense to spend time editing a question if it doesn't deserve to be reopened when you're done." CreationDate="2017-06-28T07:43:43.350" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12740" PostId="4583" Score="2" Text="Relevant here - https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1627/2322" CreationDate="2017-06-28T14:43:37.367" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12746" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="related: [When there are many answers already, help me check that mine won't repeat others](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2562/168)" CreationDate="2017-06-28T15:46:06.297" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12747" PostId="4583" Score="2" Text="IMHO SE need to look at allowing the MODS to impose a limit as needed. There is simply no way that each of the 18 answers offer something of use over say just the top 7 or so." CreationDate="2017-06-28T15:48:46.380" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12750" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="I am OK with the numbers of answers.  I am more tempted to DV the question for not accepting one." CreationDate="2017-06-28T18:42:19.267" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="12753" PostId="4583" Score="2" Text="@MisterPositive I strongly disagree. Mod powers are meant to handle exceptional situations and the community has plenty of tools available to handle an above average number of answers: use your votes and flags. SE's voting system already makes it so new answers rarely get the exposure they might deserve. At the risk of sounding way too grandiose, actually setting hard limits on &quot;new ideas&quot; seems completely counter to SE's model of transparency and openness." CreationDate="2017-06-28T21:35:12.313" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12754" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal An interesting perspective.  I see where your coming from." CreationDate="2017-06-28T22:20:16.443" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12755" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal this approach is correct for _most_ questions but not all. You might be interested in guidance for moderators provided by site founder here: [How aggressively should we maintain and improve very popular questions?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/103069/165773) In brief, in some (rare) cases mods are expected to chime in, thoroughly study questions and answers and ruthlessly cleanup. The difficulty here is of course to figure when such a _surgical_ intervention is justified..." CreationDate="2017-06-29T07:08:33.457" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12756" PostId="4583" Score="1" Text="...we don't want mods to do this on a regular basis, only as an exception. Another difficulty (and fairly sad one) is in cases like that mods should not generally expect help and support from community and rather be prepared for opposite. The same site founder explained this here: [The Trouble With Popularity](https://blog.stackexchange.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/). &quot;This is why community moderators have real power; they _need_ that power to intervene, educate, and refocus the community's exuberance on more substantive content...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-06-29T07:08:49.690" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12757" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="oh and the question in question appears to be the case when Atwood's guidance applies, I just saw [this comment](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/93696/is-it-unethical-for-me-to-not-tell-my-employer-i-ve-automated-my-job#comment279578_93696): &quot;This question is currently on the front page of Hacker News...&quot; That explains a lot. Meanwhile @Lilienthal could you please do the second clean up of comments over there? because as of now it looks like everybody ignores mod guidance on comments provided by enderland in top one" CreationDate="2017-06-29T07:16:37.433" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12758" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="@gnat I think we're talking about different things. Mods indeed do sometimes have to outright remove content or take similar actions that the community cannot. But this is talking about preventing people from actually interacting with the network and bona fide contributors from submitting an answer. The proper way to handle this is still to allow submission of answer and to handle bad input after the fact. SE doesn't and shouldn't have a precrime division. Protecting a question is already fairly close to this suggestion and stops most of the drive-by answers, as that should only allow people" CreationDate="2017-06-29T07:30:02.357" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12759" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="who contributed to the site in the past to weigh in. The only next step we have is outright locking a question and as explained [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/22228) that's somewhat of a nuclear option. Perhaps being posted on YCombinator is sufficient reason, though I'd argue that it's one of the safer communities to have invading your site. As for the comments, please continue to flag the question for mod attention instead of pinging me directly. We've already gone through several cleanup rounds on that question but it's remaining popular and we can't monitor the site 24/7." CreationDate="2017-06-29T07:30:08.650" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12760" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="no disagreement from me here @Lilienthal - I also think that besides protection there should not be any other means to automatically prevent posting an answer to an open question. Speaking of YCombinator, just look at the question views, these are already over 100K and growing, I bet it's just the case referred by Atwood. It's not even a &quot;regular&quot; fake popularity that comes in 5-10K views/day from questions being spammed at Stack Overflow sidebar" CreationDate="2017-06-29T07:42:02.257" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12761" PostId="4583" Score="1" Text="@gnat Indeed, the average seems to be at 10 views per second right now. I think [this answer](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/93696/is-it-unethical-for-me-to-not-tell-my-employer-i-ve-automated-my-job/93801#93801), #18 in the list or so, is a good example of why a question limit wouldn't make much sense. That answer offers a useful perspective that hadn't been raised before. SE's voting means that it will probably not get the exposure it might deserve but it's a good addition. Thanks for keeping an eye on that question and the answers that come in by the way." CreationDate="2017-06-29T08:58:13.783" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12771" PostId="4583" Score="1" Text="I think in this case it is primarily because the question was linked on hacker news." CreationDate="2017-06-30T14:12:14.453" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12788" PostId="4583" Score="0" Text="@enderland could you provide that link? Is that a news article about this question?" CreationDate="2017-07-04T21:33:55.410" UserId="60246" />
  <row Id="12789" PostId="4583" Score="2" Text="@schizoid04 https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/93696/is-it-unethical-for-me-to-not-tell-my-employer-i-ve-automated-my-job#comment279578_93696" CreationDate="2017-07-04T22:56:40.657" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12762" PostId="4587" Score="1" Text="Oh just forget about it. SE is never going to implement any of those proposals. Another idea: why not just ignore the &quot;problem&quot; altogether?" CreationDate="2017-06-29T20:15:06.083" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12763" PostId="4587" Score="5" Text="&quot;*Is seems like the mods here might be getting a bit frustrated*&quot; Going out on a limb here, was this sparked by my follow-up comment [here](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/93696/is-it-unethical-for-me-to-not-tell-my-employer-i-ve-automated-my-job#comment279638_93696)? If so don't mistake the excessive formatting for frustration. It typically take some aggressive bolding and links for people to catch and actually read a comment like this. We have several variations we use for this because the standard message is often ignored. In this case I went all out given how popular it got." CreationDate="2017-06-29T21:57:57.913" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12765" PostId="4587" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal That might've been a very small part of it, but it's mostly the fact that every other vaguely popular post seems to have a &quot;moved to chat&quot; comment, sometimes a few of them. Even if it doesn't bug the mods, it bugs me when there's either more than like 5-10 comments on a post (which is probably a low threshold, but anyway) or when useful comments get moved to chat." CreationDate="2017-06-29T22:20:57.040" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="12768" PostId="4587" Score="6" Text="@Dukeling those popular posts tend to accumulate 30-50 comments very quickly (by which I mean hours, not days).  It can be really hard for readers, especially the author of the post, to find in that mess the (say) three that are actual requests for clarification.  So we move the discussion to chat, leaving the requests for clarification in place as comments, so that comments can do what they're designed to do: improve the post.  We don't want to get in the way of people having a productive discussion; we just want to keep them from interfering with the Q&amp;A." CreationDate="2017-06-30T00:31:31.707" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12804" PostId="4587" Score="0" Text="All of these proposals are of the sort of scope that they should be made at [meta.se] instead of here." CreationDate="2017-07-05T20:34:00.677" UserId="36997" />
  <row Id="12868" PostId="4587" Score="0" Text="No, you are not weird (unless I am too). I am a stubborn &quot;insert comment reply&quot; editor, then flag as obsolete, so I particularly experience the &quot;you can only flag every 5 seconds&quot; pain. It is a waste of the time I use contributing. If that was reduced to 3 seconds that would already be great. Your 'multi comment flagging' would be a solution too." CreationDate="2017-07-11T15:04:52.770" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="13162" PostId="4587" Score="0" Text="I don't know if we actually have a comments problem. I know that this thought has been discussed before: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2748/our-comments-problem but I don't know if anything has ever been done. I expressed my feelings there, and since then I consistently delete all comments that are more than a few days old, so as not to contribute to the &quot;problem&quot;." CreationDate="2017-07-31T20:46:40.980" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12764" PostId="4588" Score="0" Text="&quot;The main problem with comments moved to chat as I see it that this is a relatively recent feature and people are still learning how to use it right... People still have to learn that move is not to shut down the discussion but to give it a more appropriate media. And system is still to be tweaked to help them see that...&quot; ([Moving comments to chat: is it just about length?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/279458/165773))" CreationDate="2017-06-29T22:11:06.970" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12766" PostId="4588" Score="2" Text="@gnat People are also still learning how to implement it right. It's hard for users to learn how to use a feature correctly when it only shows up once in a while (with no well-known quick and easy way to get there otherwise) with a message that's somewhat warning-y in nature. The fact that it's not only on a different page, but seemingly on a different site entirely, is also not a small problem. Side note - `[chat]` really should link to a chat room for the current post, not the front page of the chat site - [chat]." CreationDate="2017-06-29T22:37:24.020" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="12767" PostId="4588" Score="2" Text="@Dukeling quoting self from the same post referred in my prior comment, _'...this feature is not yet mature and system needs some changes to get it right. And of course people need to get used to it and learn how to leverage it (the latter seems unfortunately too hard with the way how it is currently implemented, &quot;Nothing to see there, move along&quot;)'_" CreationDate="2017-06-29T22:42:31.380" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12869" PostId="4588" Score="1" Text="Sounds like Dukelings multi-comment flagging could be a proposed answer to your final question. Although I would like it for us mere mortals too." CreationDate="2017-07-11T15:09:52.390" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="12870" PostId="4588" Score="0" Text="@JanDoggen yes, I'd like to have something like what I outlined in my last (non-link) paragraph.  That would help flaggers *and* moderators." CreationDate="2017-07-11T15:21:41.757" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13165" PostId="4588" Score="1" Text="I know a lot of people are going to hate hearing this and would draw out their daggers, but here goes anyway: the correct solution is to get rid of the so-called Community Managers, who are more interested in their own entertainment and berating sites for flaws in the SE design (example, if HNQ doesn't work for your site, then your site sucks, and you should manage it better), and replace them with Community Managers who actually care about the community." CreationDate="2017-08-01T03:52:55.673" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13166" PostId="4588" Score="1" Text="Of course, we don't have the authority to tell SE to fire their own employees, so the next best course of action is to adapt ourselves to their whims. If we stop treating the comments as a &quot;problem&quot;, there is no need to do any policing. This, by the way, is the preferred approach of governments across the world to deal with issues that are too much of a nightmare to police effectively." CreationDate="2017-08-01T03:55:40.490" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13172" PostId="4588" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I don't think &quot;fire the CMs&quot; is a constructive suggestion, and &quot;we'll *show them* by letting our site wallow in comment crap&quot; sounds misguided to me.  As a *community member* I don't want to wade through all that noise, so I want noise-pruning to be easy." CreationDate="2017-08-01T14:49:19.293" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13173" PostId="4588" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio You can either strike at the root of the problem, or keep looking for &quot;constructive&quot; solutions that don't achieve anything. You should also avoid using loaded terms like &quot;noise&quot; for comments. The link beneath the posts is *still* labeled &quot;add a comment&quot;, not &quot;suggest improvement&quot; or &quot;ask for clarification&quot;. To put it bluntly, if you ask users to add a comment, you cannot then say, &quot;sorry, your comment is noise&quot;. Prevention is better than cure, so if you don't want to wade through &quot;noise&quot;, make it harder to generate noise in the first place." CreationDate="2017-08-01T17:06:47.437" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13174" PostId="4588" Score="0" Text="&quot;we'll show them by letting our site wallow in comment crap&quot; This was not necessary, you should not project your bias into your language on the site, especially when you are a moderator. I never said that &quot;comments are crap&quot; and &quot;we'll show them&quot;, and that is not even my point. My point was, you stop considering comments as a &quot;problem&quot;, and then you won't have to worry about &quot;policing&quot; it any more." CreationDate="2017-08-01T17:12:38.527" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13176" PostId="4588" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan not all comments are problems, but you are asserting that none are by saying we should just leave them alone.  There are, sadly, a lot of [crappy comments](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3171/325) that need to be cleaned up.  Every site that allows comments either has to moderate them or becomes one of those sites where people warn others &quot;good posts but for heaven's sake *don't read the comments*&quot;.  I don't want to see The Workplace become one of those sites.  I mean c'mon, people think it's ok to make direct personal attacks -- do you really think that's ok???" CreationDate="2017-08-01T18:48:39.657" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13194" PostId="4588" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio No, of course not, rude and abusive comments should be dealt with appropriately, but there is nothing special about comments in that regard, the same applies to answers, questions and even chat messages. I was mainly talking about the (respectful) back and forth discussion that happens between users, which gets promptly moved to chat. If we stop treating those comments as a &quot;problem&quot;, then there is much less policing to do. I will write a more detailed response as a separate answer some time within the next weeks, which will hopefully reduce the misunderstanding." CreationDate="2017-08-02T12:08:46.220" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12772" PostId="4591" Score="0" Text="I'm color deficient at that end of the spectrum, and I can see it alright.  Maybe if you adjust your contrast?" CreationDate="2017-06-30T15:11:32.863" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12773" PostId="4591" Score="0" Text="I think we could also make the arrow on the downvote button less similar to the check mark." CreationDate="2017-06-30T16:40:49.770" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12774" PostId="4591" Score="0" Text="Even circles for voting and squares for accepted answers (or vise versa) would be an improvement" CreationDate="2017-06-30T16:42:52.367" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12775" PostId="4591" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I think OP is saying that the down vote and checkmark look too much alike. I think it looks fine, but I don't have any color vision problems." CreationDate="2017-06-30T16:43:42.147" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12776" PostId="4591" Score="0" Text="I don't have any vision problems, but they are very similar. When I am skimming and scrolling around it can be hard to tell until I stop and look. They are of a similar colour and in a similar placement" CreationDate="2017-06-30T16:45:53.367" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12777" PostId="4591" Score="0" Text="seems related: [The many shades of green](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/351530/839601) at MSO" CreationDate="2017-06-30T19:32:14.427" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12779" PostId="4591" Score="0" Text="To be honest, you can even just ignore both the colour and the symbol and work off the placement. The up/down votes are always next to the score and the Acceptance check is clearly placed separately from those. I don't see how this is an issue." CreationDate="2017-06-30T23:07:52.277" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12783" PostId="4592" Score="0" Text="Accepted answer are not always at the top, I've noticed a few exceptions. I think mostly if you accept your own answer, but it has a bad score." CreationDate="2017-07-04T09:46:45.917" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="12799" PostId="4592" Score="0" Text="@Erik Yeah, I wasn't completely sure that was always the case, but when I tested it out on a few questions with different sort methods, I could only get the accepted answer first." CreationDate="2017-07-05T12:15:23.600" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12785" PostId="4596" Score="1" Text="awesome! thanks." CreationDate="2017-07-04T12:40:47.867" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12786" PostId="4596" Score="0" Text="No problem!  If I handle one of these types of flags, I will always add a note to the declination explaining the correct action to take instead of the flag :)" CreationDate="2017-07-04T12:42:37.283" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="12791" PostId="4596" Score="2" Text="Agreed. I always decline these, usually with the standard &quot;*flags should only be used to make moderators aware of content that requires their intervention*&quot; but sometimes with a custom message pointing new users to meta or chat instead. Of course new users probably also don't know where to find flag feedback so I'm not sure if that's ultimately helpful." CreationDate="2017-07-05T06:34:43.157" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12792" PostId="4597" Score="0" Text="Varying details don't matter for duplicates, the whole point of Q&amp;A is that answers are useful to the general situation. And there's also the fact that this is about Academia which often plays by its own rules and we traditionally direct people to [academia.se] for those. Would answers to this really be materially different?" CreationDate="2017-07-05T06:38:45.923" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12794" PostId="4597" Score="0" Text="In the dup question, it says that OP works full time 40 hours a week, so is lying to his employer. In this question, there is no mention of time and no lying to employer. I would say these are different questions. One is &quot;can I lie to my employer about my hours&quot; and the other is &quot;must I report my hours if I am paid by salary&quot;. Maybe there is a dup out there that fits this questions, but I don't think this is it." CreationDate="2017-07-05T09:55:22.157" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12795" PostId="4597" Score="1" Text="We don't look at the spirit of the question, we look at what the question actually says. And right now I really don't see how they're fundamentally different." CreationDate="2017-07-05T09:58:36.863" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12796" PostId="4597" Score="0" Text="The answers should be dramatically different, I would think that makes it a different a question. The reason we mark things as duplicate is because the answer should already exist on another question. If those answers do not suffice, then the question is reopened. Because of the very different contracts, the answers themselves should be different." CreationDate="2017-07-05T10:21:00.620" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12797" PostId="4597" Score="1" Text="&quot;*The reason we mark things as duplicate is because the answer should already exist on another question*&quot; Not really. A question is considered a duplicate if the linked &quot;parent&quot; question *could* have answers that cover it. While there is a questionable requirement for duplicate flags to point to a question that has at least one answer, the meta consensus as far as I've seen and remember is that there is no requirement for the linked question to adequately answer the closed question. The flag requirement doesn't affect Workplace much as we have virtually no unanswered questions on the site." CreationDate="2017-07-05T10:33:08.550" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12798" PostId="4597" Score="0" Text="Anyhow, speaking as a user, the question in its current state is way too long and chaotic for me to even consider reading it, let alone casting an open vote. If you really think this question adds value to the site then I suggest heavily editing it to present a clear problem that's distinct from the linked question and that's on-topic. I'm not sure it's possible given the ultimately similar scenarios *and* the Academic angle." CreationDate="2017-07-05T10:36:14.070" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12871" PostId="4598" Score="3" Text="Locking is a really big stick, as it blocks edits and votes too.  If a question shouldn't get any more answers, it's usually better to close it.  (For which you'd need a reason, but I'd argue that you'd need that reason for locking, too.)" CreationDate="2017-07-11T15:23:40.540" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12801" PostId="4599" Score="4" Text="This might help -- http://lmgtfy.com/?q=stack+exchange+%22Let+me+google+that+for+you%22 ;-)" CreationDate="2017-07-05T14:59:00.690" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12802" PostId="4599" Score="0" Text="@enderland I love a good sense of humor.  :-)" CreationDate="2017-07-05T15:06:34.560" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12853" PostId="4599" Score="0" Text="It was cool the first few times someone did it, just like disguising a strength as a weakness in an interview. With overuse, it has become tiring and annoying. Besides, you typically have to put *more* effort than necessary to tell the other guy that he did not put in enough effort." CreationDate="2017-07-10T13:55:13.190" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12800" PostId="4600" Score="0" Text="appreciate the answer, curious to see some others." CreationDate="2017-07-05T14:46:32.030" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12816" PostId="4600" Score="0" Text="Other SE sites have banned them, The Workplace should as well IMO" CreationDate="2017-07-06T21:04:11.080" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12803" PostId="4601" Score="2" Text="I will use your suggestion for questions in the future that in my opinion show no research effort. &quot;Did you try [Google / searching the web / researching the topic yourself]?&quot; Slightly more polite than mine ;-)" CreationDate="2017-07-05T15:43:02.040" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12807" PostId="4601" Score="0" Text="On hacker sites, you'll typically get GIYF (google is your friend) when no effort has been shown." CreationDate="2017-07-06T13:00:26.973" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12806" PostId="4603" Score="1" Text="the First bullet point is already off topic in 98% of the cases anyway.  Maybe you should be more direct with that and say specifically about career advancement and conflict in the academic setting" CreationDate="2017-07-06T12:44:31.433" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12808" PostId="4603" Score="1" Text="anything wrong with [guidance provided by Robert Cartaino here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/26/168)?" CreationDate="2017-07-06T14:51:23.000" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12810" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="@gnat [yes, there is](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/18/should-we-allow-school-college-related-questions/26#comment12809_26)." CreationDate="2017-07-06T15:27:10.690" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12811" PostId="4603" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio I don't see anything compelling enough to &quot;deprecate&quot; the old guidance. To avoid misunderstanding I am not particularly stuck on following it, it's just that a brief comment that is difficult to read and understand hardly qualifies to counter an answer from SE official representative" CreationDate="2017-07-06T16:42:55.130" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12812" PostId="4603" Score="3" Text="@gnat Robert has an opinion, same as everybody else.  When SE means to issue a ruling they make it pretty clear.  I don't think his answer represents *official policy*, especially in light of [other answers](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/21/325)." CreationDate="2017-07-06T18:07:30.193" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12813" PostId="4603" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio - I do not think that Roberts answer conflicts with the one you linked.  Seeing as he modified the question today, with out changing signifigant content makes it pretty clear to me that the SE guidance is keep it separate.  I am not saying it is a directive, but more of a dont make a mess of our network... you wont like them when they get angry!" CreationDate="2017-07-06T19:38:38.293" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12821" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio it is not so much about Robert's title as about his experience of managing communities at different SE sites, and his answer shows that. Try to make more compelling answer and I'll change my mind. Though it won't be easy because no matter how you twist it, business and education are very different contexts, culture and which is most important, different expertise of the answerers. Academic stuff can be declared on-topic here but if I ever have a question related to educational setting I'll ask it at Academia.SE - simply because in these matters I trust folks over there more" CreationDate="2017-07-06T22:38:33.370" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12822" PostId="4603" Score="1" Text="@gnat so are factories.  So's retail.  So are license-driven fields like civil engineering and medicine.  And yet we are not an IT-only site.  If schools are out of scope, then why are plumbers in scope?  Some questions are better asked there and anything that *depends on* it being in academia belongs there, but that still leaves a lot of room for on-topic questions *here*, and we do not currently have a policy to close them just for being academia-flavored.  But I'm repeating myself and other answers; you should read the answers here and the one I linked there." CreationDate="2017-07-06T22:49:44.267" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12824" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio factories and retail and civil engineering are all broadly business. Medicine to some extent also is but less so, and per my recollection, medicine related questions don't go well here. Education is not even close at all. I've read answers here already thank you. And I regularly read main site questions and answers here and at Academia.SE. And I repeat, you can declare academia on-topic here as much as you want but  if I ever have a question related to educational setting I'll ask it at Academia.SE - not here. Because answerers with relevant expertise are there, not here" CreationDate="2017-07-06T22:55:49.133" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12825" PostId="4603" Score="2" Text="@gnat you should of course ask your questions on whichever site you prefer.  Sets of sites with overlapping scope are nothing new.  A question can be on-topic on more than one site." CreationDate="2017-07-07T00:30:42.093" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12826" PostId="4603" Score="1" Text="I would argue that Civil Engineering questions about the ethics of approving potentially unsafe structure, or form over function etc are completely off topic here anyway just as questions about practicing law, medicine and any other licenced field." CreationDate="2017-07-07T02:08:34.193" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12835" PostId="4603" Score="1" Text="Then all our IT-flavored ethics questions should be closed too.  Try to distinguish between domain-independent and domain-dependent aspects of questions." CreationDate="2017-07-07T18:25:23.373" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12859" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Should we allow school/college-related questions?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/18/should-we-allow-school-college-related-questions)" CreationDate="2017-07-11T08:23:55.470" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="12862" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio In reply to your comment [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/18/should-we-allow-school-college-related-questions/26#comment12809_26), I don't think anyone considers the distinction to be that black and white? If you're leading an IT support team and you just happen to have to call your boss Dean instead of CEO then you're mostly going to have workplace questions. But if you're a management assistant for three professors then you might be dealing with a situation and culture that doesn't match the typical workplace we deal with here." CreationDate="2017-07-11T08:47:47.597" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12863" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal your own comments [here](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/93164/325) (you want the Workplace stub, not the migrated question) sound pretty &quot;academic lab = off-topic&quot; to me.  Maybe you meant that to be nuanced, but that's not how it came through to me.  (And do note that the community, sans mods, reopened that question before it was ultimately migrated.)" CreationDate="2017-07-11T13:15:32.933" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12864" PostId="4603" Score="1" Text="I would ask that we don't flag all academia questions as off-topic. I happen to work in a university marketing department, which is just like any other office setting I've worked in." CreationDate="2017-07-11T13:54:17.227" UserDisplayName="user27483" />
  <row Id="12866" PostId="4603" Score="3" Text="To be honest, I would be content if the things we migrated were always on topic for Academia. I have read their guidelines a few times now and some of the question we try to move aren't on topic there. Just because the question is off topic here (and smells of Academia) does not mean we should instantly pawn it off on them. If it doesn't fit here or on Academia, it should be closed" CreationDate="2017-07-11T14:28:41.550" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12878" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio They do, because as far as I'm aware the people working in university labs are academics. They're working on research grants, PhDs and what have you. If that was a private lab that just happened to be run on a campus then you've got a workplace. But if they're academics as I suspect then they fall within the realm of Academia. It's not the location but the reporting structure that matters when I look at these types of questions. Academia simply plays by its own rules." CreationDate="2017-07-11T20:48:58.443" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12879" PostId="4603" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal I was a research programmer in a university lab.  It was comparable to the start-ups I worked for before and after.  Not everybody in a university lab is an academic.  (In my case, they told me what they wanted me to test/model/analyze, and I gave it to them.)" CreationDate="2017-07-11T22:02:00.640" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12886" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio That makes sense. The fact that I didn't know that it's normal for there to be a mix of academics and &quot;regular&quot; employees is one example of why separate sites have separate scopes. But you are correct that such a scenario could definitely be handled on the Workplace. But I don't recall any questions where we incorrectly closed over that." CreationDate="2017-07-13T10:16:02.973" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13114" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="What do the mods at Academia think about this? The worst case scenario from a user-friendliness perspective is a question being migrated from here to there and then closed as off-topic there because to them it's &quot;only a workplace issue&quot;." CreationDate="2017-07-27T08:40:09.917" UserId="57567" />
  <row Id="13228" PostId="4603" Score="0" Text="By the way I think the answer for this is:  The TA can have the student removed from the Lab... I expect that fly's in the face of the Workplace where we would expect the TA to act professionally and deal with it.  And be unpopular with people who think that the student should be protected.  But I am not in academia directly(just work for a union that represents them) so I may be wrong." CreationDate="2017-08-04T18:14:48.120" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12815" PostId="4604" Score="0" Text="I dont think there is a strong move from any side that anything slightly acedemic get moved.  The line to me is pretty easy.  If the office environment of Acedemia is different than the normal workplace office then yes it belongs there not here (assuming the question is about the acedemia office environment)." CreationDate="2017-07-06T19:42:54.383" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12992" PostId="4604" Score="1" Text="I'd guess that many members of [academia.SE] would be quite surprised to find there are questions here they could answer. If you want to get people from that site to post on such questions, I think increasing awareness is a likely first step." CreationDate="2017-07-17T21:47:12.200" UserId="13918" />
  <row Id="13111" PostId="4604" Score="3" Text="I think sites should be [jealous of their questions](https://stackoverflow.blog/2012/03/22/respect-the-community-your-own-and-others/) - and not too eager to migrate. I think the rule should be to only migrate when you would otherwise close/delete the question **and** it would get a good response on the target site. That said, we also shouldn't be too precious about migrations. We only have so much time in the day." CreationDate="2017-07-25T18:54:34.373" UserId="12321" />
  <row Id="13115" PostId="4604" Score="0" Text="+1 especially for the last sentence. I've seen a few questions here so far that simply would have gotten much better answers on Acedemia because they described problems very common at universities but rather outrageous/weird in a &quot;normal&quot; office environment. But they may possibly take an Academian to recognise as common academic ailments as opposed to just &quot;normal&quot; workplace issues." CreationDate="2017-07-27T09:00:04.123" UserId="57567" />
  <row Id="13227" PostId="4604" Score="0" Text="@AaronHall - I do not disagree.  But when a question is likely to get very bad answers that get upvoted because in a normal work environment they would be right, and very good answers that apply to acedemia are likely to get downvoted because academia has its own way of handling employment, then it is an issue.  I am jealous of our site because we have great content...  Putting bad content in just for the sake of having more content is not a good thing." CreationDate="2017-08-04T18:09:49.127" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12814" PostId="4605" Score="0" Text="I agree with this... the problem is that gray area of dispute that some members of the community want to be on topic and others do not..." CreationDate="2017-07-06T19:39:44.773" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12817" PostId="4605" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Aren't the community guidelines relatively clear about what is on topic for The Workplace?" CreationDate="2017-07-06T21:09:27.603" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12818" PostId="4605" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus - I think so... but there are members and at least one mod that think that the written guidelines are just a suggestion..." CreationDate="2017-07-06T21:10:29.287" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12819" PostId="4605" Score="3" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings they are what I like to call... wrong. I can see how some users may think that, but I would think an elected mod should know better" CreationDate="2017-07-06T21:11:56.703" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12823" PostId="4605" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings show me.  Show me something in the Help Center or our close reasons or a meta FAQ that says anything having to do with academia is off-topic." CreationDate="2017-07-06T22:50:53.130" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12827" PostId="4605" Score="1" Text="Its not Academia that is out of scope. It is that special relationship that exists completely in academia that is completely different than exists anywhere else.  I would honestly say the same thing about cooking in a restaraunt when you get to where you have to be a chef to understand the scope it is out of our scope.  We have alot of programming questions that are really way out of our scope that were allowed because 96% of us that were here in the early beta days came from programmers.  I think they would be rejected today." CreationDate="2017-07-07T02:33:09.167" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12836" PostId="4605" Score="2" Text="Then you should highlight some specific examples in an answer.  &quot;I only mean *some* questions&quot; isn't very useful guidance.  You complain that moderators don't enforce site policy but you have neither cited the policy we supposedly violate nor articulated a *proposed* policy for the community to evaluate." CreationDate="2017-07-07T18:27:31.497" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12877" PostId="4605" Score="1" Text="Dang it @Kaz, you always manage to say as much in 1/10th the space ;D" CreationDate="2017-07-11T19:53:03.233" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12882" PostId="4605" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - I am a small government guy.  There is no law needed so we should not pass a law anyway.  I think it was a good question to ask.  But I think the answer is stay the course and take it on an as needed basis." CreationDate="2017-07-13T00:57:34.483" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12883" PostId="4605" Score="0" Text="I think part of the problem is that high votes on Stack overflow probably correlates to how widely applicable the question is.  Here high votes count for how interesting the question is even though there may be no correlation at all to how actually applicable it is or is likely to be in anyone's life.  We have made a game out of asking interesting questions." CreationDate="2017-07-13T01:02:38.937" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12884" PostId="4605" Score="0" Text="[SO counter-example](https://stackoverflow.com/q/1732348/922300).  I don't think *that* many people have that problem.  Entertaining posts gain votes all over the network, as do posts that people can relate to somehow.  Anyway, you say you don't want lots of rules and want to take things on a case-by-case basis (so do I), but you've complained that mods don't follow &quot;the rules&quot; and that we judge cases individually.  So call me confused.  But it's ok; I'm going to keep doing what I've been doing, which includes raising specific cases on meta for community examination." CreationDate="2017-07-13T01:36:03.770" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13181" PostId="4605" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - I never said I do not want lots of rules... I said this is not the right rule to make.  If you can make a rule that is easy to understand and follow and makes sense then it may be a good rule to make.  If you have to evaluate lots of conditions and especially when the evaluation is subjective then that is probably not a good rule." CreationDate="2017-08-01T20:21:37.610" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12829" PostId="4606" Score="0" Text="+1 for almost everything in this but I disagree about interactions between TAs and professors. I'm not aware of anything like a TA position outside academia and the relationship between a TA and the professor isn't really the usual subordinate-manager relationship. TAs are typically grad students, and being a TA isn't their main job. Also, Workplace solutions to student group project issues are unlikely to be appropriate: the typical answer here is &quot;It's your manager's job to manage&quot; but there isn't really anybody with that authority in this situation." CreationDate="2017-07-07T12:35:02.487" UserId="15946" />
  <row Id="12830" PostId="4606" Score="0" Text="On the other hand, student group project dynamics really only concern undergrads, so are off-topic at Academia." CreationDate="2017-07-07T12:40:51.717" UserId="15946" />
  <row Id="12837" PostId="4606" Score="2" Text="@DavidRicherby there's some variation in TA positions.  I was a TA while an undergraduate and there were a lot of &quot;just plain job&quot; aspects to it that I could have asked about here (had this site existed then).  *Some* aspects of the job are specific to academia and should be off-topic here, but &quot;TA -&gt; out&quot; is too coarse a filter.  Also, mentoring is an aspect of some jobs (and we have questions about it) where nobody's a student." CreationDate="2017-07-07T18:35:39.127" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12828" PostId="4607" Score="1" Text="One thing I didn't note in my post here (which I will edit after this comment) is we often get flags on questions which fit the &quot;could be on topic on Academia&quot; to migrate there. But flags are both not public as well as non-actionable with respect to migration (as in you could have 10 of them on the same post and it wouldn't actually migrate it) which complicates things a bit." CreationDate="2017-07-07T12:23:23.903" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12832" PostId="4607" Score="0" Text="@Enderland - I assume when you come to a flag in the queue you can pass on the flag and return to it later or are you forced to deal with it before moving on?  I would think that unless the question is on hold you would not be able to do anything with migrate flags anyway..." CreationDate="2017-07-07T15:17:47.550" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12861" PostId="4607" Score="2" Text="Hmm, I thought the main goal of this question was to try and establish some community consensus so people know better where to draw the line and avoid close/re-open wars? I don't think @enderland was talking about mods overruling the community but rather to get a sense of which criteria to apply when migration flags come in so we *can* hit the migrate button on stuff that's clearly out of scope here." CreationDate="2017-07-11T08:45:01.297" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12865" PostId="4607" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - And I do not think we should in this case.  This is not the proper way to draw this line.  I am not saying there is not a line to be drawn this is just not the right line." CreationDate="2017-07-11T14:21:57.677" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12867" PostId="4607" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - I would also like to add that from a business perspective I would expect SE To want high quality questions moved to the most appropriate site where the most knowledgeable experts in the scope are going to be able to address it.  In other words I would expect from an SE standpoint they are going to want high quality Academia related questions moved from her to academia and for high quality workplace questions moved from there to here even though both areas have experts that can probably provide an acceptable answer.  Maybe should get the mods official SE guidance" CreationDate="2017-07-11T14:38:22.567" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12840" PostId="4608" Score="0" Text="That makes sense  I just figured if noone closed the other question it must be on topic right?" CreationDate="2017-07-08T11:49:36.667" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12841" PostId="4608" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus it is not closed only because a mod decided to throw a bounty on it... i believe" CreationDate="2017-07-09T18:45:34.183" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12831" PostId="4609" Score="5" Text="I agree, it should not have been closed. VTRO" CreationDate="2017-07-07T13:12:08.343" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12834" PostId="4609" Score="0" Text="FYI, it has been reopened" CreationDate="2017-07-07T17:17:39.207" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12838" PostId="4610" Score="2" Text="Maybe. If you cut out all the unnecessary ranting then you'd probably have a decently answerable question. But given that the question is at -7 already, the OP has been here long enough to know better than to post a rant like this, and that he's ironically acting pretty entitled himself, I'd say why bother?" CreationDate="2017-07-07T19:00:48.867" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12839" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal good points" CreationDate="2017-07-07T19:20:40.807" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12842" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I made an attempt at an edit. What do you think now?" CreationDate="2017-07-09T22:11:38.953" UserId="60246" />
  <row Id="12844" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal With all do respect, you can't specify someone who is behaving that way without saying it.  I could write you a book on the actions that would put everyone to sleep reading it, but stating someone is behaving a certain way doesn't make them what they are stating.  You can say someone is a slanderer, does that make one a slanderer just for stating it?  If it came off as a rant, that's not the intent, but to state behavior and how to actually handle it is...and frankly if you want the medical and Webster definitions along with the detailed behavior descriptions I can provide..." CreationDate="2017-07-09T23:33:21.943" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="12845" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="Although personally I thought that approach would be a rant...so tried to go general." CreationDate="2017-07-09T23:33:42.810" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="12846" PostId="4610" Score="1" Text="@schizoid04 I've thought and can't figure out any other way to say it generically.  I think I agree with David k. that it has to be unique circumstances addressed each time.  narcissistic has a pretty standard definition and tons of resources for.  Hubris filled and/or entitled to me is one step below that with the exception being they sometimes see other people, they just prefer their own opinions/desires over others.  Both are team killing and difficult to address, but if there isn't a general way to say it, I think it's obvious my original statement on individual cases is the answer..." CreationDate="2017-07-09T23:45:17.993" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="12847" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="@schizoid04 If you want to change it to just standard entitled or prideful people I think it would be answerable, although that doesn't match the extreme situations I was actually trying to ask about." CreationDate="2017-07-09T23:47:42.613" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="12848" PostId="4610" Score="1" Text="@mutt I was referring to your &quot;*Please only answer this question with the following*&quot;. That's simply not how this site works: you don't get to dictate how people choose to answer. That along with the way you phrase things and the attitude coming across in the comments paints a picture of you that's not that positive and that doesn't tend to lead to people wanting to help you (case in point: the downvotes)." CreationDate="2017-07-10T07:27:03.433" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12849" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="Admittedly I could be reading too much into that. Perhaps you're simply using a rather formal register in your posts here. Re-reading your question I can see versions of asking this that aren't quite so judgemental and which could be useful. That's presumably why @RichardU created this post. But I'm not sure if you'd agree with such edits and the bigger issue is that you're unlikely to recover from this many downvotes." CreationDate="2017-07-10T07:27:11.563" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12851" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Correct.  I didn't know how to edit without being sure I wasn't changing it a point where it wouldn't match the OP's intent." CreationDate="2017-07-10T12:12:35.017" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12854" PostId="4610" Score="2" Text="@Lilienthal I was trying to stay formal yes, sorry if it came off offensive, that was not my intent.  I was hoping to deter opinion based answers with that part as it could have very easily turned into just an opinion post instead of a question.  I'll keep that in mind to not come off &quot;dictating&quot; in the question and maybe try to be less formal in the future." CreationDate="2017-07-10T14:01:26.070" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="12855" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I appreciate the attempt along with schizoid04.  Kilisi answered the manager part which I agree with, and the peer to peer part I still think there isn't truly a generic approach.  I wish there might be which was the original intent of the question, but as it's been there awhile and no other generic answer is provided I really don't think there will be a generic approach and a unique case by case for peer interactions is perfectly fine although a little frustrating." CreationDate="2017-07-10T14:08:13.930" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="12856" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="I have worked a bit with multiple contract companies and a checked out client which leads to some of the dynamics behind this question which are usually not an issue in a regular work environment where everyone is accountable to the same chain of command.  I'm fine with letting the question die..." CreationDate="2017-07-10T14:10:09.430" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="12860" PostId="4610" Score="0" Text="@mutt That sounds reasonable. You may want to talk to Richard in chat and see if you can't create a generic version of the question that would be on-topic here and reposting that anew." CreationDate="2017-07-11T08:35:18.430" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12850" PostId="4612" Score="0" Text="this question is on hold" CreationDate="2017-07-10T07:33:34.443" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12852" PostId="4612" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi It was on hold exactly because of the duplicate I linked to. I am trying to figure out a way to fix the issue, because it is not exactly a duplicate. The linked question is mainly concerned with a different topic, and just happens to cover this issue as a &quot;by the way&quot; sideshow." CreationDate="2017-07-10T13:52:44.137" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12857" PostId="4613" Score="4" Text="The reason for putting or taking off hold is not because of the availablity of good answers.... do you really not understand this?" CreationDate="2017-07-10T14:59:30.957" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12858" PostId="4613" Score="2" Text="is that because your answer currently has the most votes?" CreationDate="2017-07-10T17:54:50.263" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12873" PostId="4614" Score="0" Text="Yea, that's why I asked for the bullets to try and avoid the comment opinion things.  I don't mind leaving it closed, I got the answer to my genuine question which confirmed my suspicions that it needs to be a unique situation each time instead of a standard approach." CreationDate="2017-07-11T16:05:37.680" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="12876" PostId="4614" Score="0" Text="@mutt - its nothing personal and your question is not so horrible that it deserved the downvotes being piled on imo.  It just isnt something that works here." CreationDate="2017-07-11T16:16:46.677" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="12885" PostId="4615" Score="1" Text="[The Golden Rule of Migration](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/91446/260382) applies here. I don't think any mod would ever migrate an uncoordinated wall of text like this." CreationDate="2017-07-13T08:32:49.157" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12872" PostId="4616" Score="0" Text="I think this other unanswered meta question is very related: [Should “what should I do” with an answer of “consult a lawyer” be closed as a legal question?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4609/should-what-should-i-do-with-an-answer-of-consult-a-lawyer-be-closed-as-a-le)" CreationDate="2017-07-11T15:50:02.240" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12880" PostId="4620" Score="1" Text="VTRO two more votes required (3 of 5) as of this comment" CreationDate="2017-07-12T18:33:54.563" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13027" PostId="4620" Score="0" Text="@Joe according to the SE model, questions and answers are supposed to be broadly useful to the public. Even if the OP got all the answers *they* needed, someone else might have an answer that would be useful to someone else." CreationDate="2017-07-18T19:23:11.287" UserId="56135" />
  <row Id="13045" PostId="4620" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere A question being closed (as anything other than a duplicate) is a signal that it's not appropriate for the site. If it is appropriate for the site, it should not be closed, regardless of how sufficient the answers are (even questions or answers that do nothing but gather non-constructive answers or comments should not be closed, but possibly rather protected or locked). SE firmly supports anyone being able to contribute an answer or comment no matter how old the question is (essentially duplicating other answers is a separate issue that should be handled with voting)." CreationDate="2017-07-19T12:07:25.180" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13046" PostId="4620" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Also, whether or not anyone would be able to provide another useful answer to any given question very much comes down to opinion or time - I don't think we should be preventing answers simply because we can't imagine any new answers being useful." CreationDate="2017-07-19T12:10:31.077" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13095" PostId="4620" Score="0" Text="@dukeling I was under the impression that closed questions eventually got deleted or at least hidden from the public. Is this not correct?" CreationDate="2017-07-25T00:57:43.663" UserId="73580" />
  <row Id="13096" PostId="4620" Score="1" Text="@AffableAmbler Not in general and automatically, no. Automatic deletion is reserved for generally &quot;meh&quot; or unpopular questions (score 0 or less)&#xA; - [here are the exact criteria](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/92006/206447). Manual deletion can be done by (3?) high reputation users on closed questions after like a week or something (or right away if the question has a lot of downvotes). Closed questions that aren't deleted are still visible to the public and can show up in Google search results. Very negatively scoring questions (open or closed) may be hidden, but I'm not sure about that." CreationDate="2017-07-25T01:07:55.703" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="12888" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="I'm really not sure what you're trying to accomplish here. Unless I'm reading it wrong, the question is about a woman (Alice) who's new to the team being replaced and publicly implying that her replacement is likely to harass female coworkers. That's defamation and potentially slander, not an &quot;ambiguous joke&quot;. That's Not Ok in a workplace. But your answer ignores the specifics of the situation entirely to instead go on a tangent about sexual harassment in general and that the OP should &quot;ally&quot; with this Alice? And that aside, you then get into a discussion with another user" CreationDate="2017-07-13T10:25:19.507" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12889" PostId="4622" Score="4" Text="which I can't even follow as you seem to both be talking about entirely different things and have apparently forgotten our Be Nice policy. But that discussion inspired your meta post here which is also confusing to me. SE is not a site to push your agenda, even if that agenda is increased awareness over gender discrimination and sexual harassment in the workplace. If you're injecting gender issues in an answer where it doesn't belong it seems normal to me that comments would point that out." CreationDate="2017-07-13T10:25:23.547" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12890" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="And if it *is* gender-related, you could still get comments from users who disagree with your take on things and want to give a different perspective or point out why a particular answer is problematic in their view. That can happen on any subject, it's kind of what comments are actually for. Could you clarify what your post here is about?" CreationDate="2017-07-13T10:28:06.883" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12891" PostId="4622" Score="4" Text="Your answer doesn't really answer the question, thus the down vote(s). Your comments just fueled a fire. It takes 2 (or more) people to argue, so if you didn't like the comments you shouldn't have kept arguing and left your answer with the down vote or deleted it." CreationDate="2017-07-13T10:46:22.143" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12893" PostId="4622" Score="2" Text="Not trying to pile on, but I'm not sure what you're asking here. I think you probably have a valid question, but I think your frustration from the comment string on your main post has run over into this one, making it difficult to distill what you actually want to achieve here. Could you clarify?" CreationDate="2017-07-13T12:16:04.717" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12894" PostId="4622" Score="2" Text="I hadn't seen that question yet (no flags).  Several comments on your answer were inappropriate, and now that I've seen it I've purged those.  We're a large site and people's attitudes and levels of constructiveness span quite a broad range.  We can't see everything as it happens, and we rely on the community to let us know where problems are flaring up.  (I'll try to respond to your broader question later.)" CreationDate="2017-07-13T13:11:37.717" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12895" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal &quot;agenda?&quot; Addressing a concern surrounding women in the workplace constitutes an &quot;agenda&quot; to you? Censoring doing this as somehow too sexist or too offensive you think *isn't* an agenda? It's just an agenda you like and that is largely dominant here. Women talk about gender in the workplace all the time because it's a necessary survival skill. So do people of color re. race. Many men get too offended by this. Apparently you're one of them." CreationDate="2017-07-13T14:49:29.880" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12896" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus but this comes up *every time I acknowledge that gender exists.* It really doesn't work if any answer of substance on the topic is bogged in downvotes and I have to deal with comments ranging from ignorant to downright mean." CreationDate="2017-07-13T14:50:43.143" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12897" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal you know how many companies have bothered to change a practice, both in hiring and workplace environment, to make themselves a more equitable place? It's not &quot;an agenda&quot; to suggest that our &quot;one vote, many comments, one voice&quot; structure might lead to some systemic bias that require out of the box thinking to uncover. But it doesn't happen if you're too proud of your being free of any agendalessness. This is just the fact that I have had the fortune to work at reasonably equitable companies and have far more experience in this professionally than you seem to." CreationDate="2017-07-13T14:54:57.673" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12898" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="I added to my post here. You can read it if you feel like it. That's how I feel about this community right now but I'm mostly getting a vibe of skeptical neutrality to downright hostility in my audience." CreationDate="2017-07-13T15:27:20.550" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12899" PostId="4622" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio Since the OP has stated that they won't be listening to any opinions from men on this topic, I think it would be best that they get a response from you, either here or via mod channels." CreationDate="2017-07-13T16:01:14.950" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12904" PostId="4622" Score="2" Text="@djechlin its all in how you phrase it. The answer you post to that question (in my mind) was quite a bit crass. If your other answers were voiced in a similar tone, its not surprising to see a similar result. I don't think any of the points you made were necessarily as bad as some of the commenters did, but I do think your tone is what caused the issue." CreationDate="2017-07-13T17:02:59.617" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12909" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="Just wondering what an outstandingly high burden of proof is." CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:01:56.137" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12918" PostId="4622" Score="1" Text="@DavidK [citation needed]" CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:47:46.847" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12929" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@DavidK I'm really sick and tired of how much many people in this community (4 in the last day, counting you) up and color me as a man-hater for taking up a gender issue, on the basis of absolutely nothing whatsoever but their own prejudice. The first guy said I was accusing Clark of being a rapist. Go ahead and find that somewhere in my answer. Then we were talking about workplace deaths which is a mostly men's problem, and also wholly and entirely related to the subject at hand." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:02:52.793" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12931" PostId="4622" Score="1" Text="@RichardU well I was called sexist by 3 people immediately after posting my answer. I don't call people idiots when they make a math mistake until they discuss it out with me and correct it. I don't call someone a terrible manager until they take the time to convince me their advice is correct. Broach gender though and it's an entirely different ball game. Everyone all the sudden is the most easily offended person on the Internet." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:05:32.153" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12933" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus the tone is really not that different. I did not *coddle* people while largely writing to the OP on a topic I have expertise in. I wrote an answer about gender and am really pissed I have to write an apology for it too just to get the points across." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:08:16.463" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12934" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@DavidK two upvotes for your comment, which is on the basis of nothing whatsoever. Getting my point yet for why I don't exactly like hanging out here?" CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:10:00.423" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12936" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@djechlin Oh, you should see some of the names I've been called.  The one that gets me is &quot;privileged&quot; as it is an outright lie.  Just don't get into the mud with people (yes, I know I need to take my own advice).  When you comment on your own answer, it's like blood in the water for sharks." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:11:04.037" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12937" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@djechlin I did not think your answer warranted the &quot;special&quot; attention it got.  Was it great IMHO no, but not worthy of a down vote either.  YMMV" CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:15:19.383" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12940" PostId="4622" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive responding to the comments almost always generates negative votes unless it's for clarification or to thank a person for their suggestion." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:18:56.680" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12946" PostId="4622" Score="1" Text="@djechlin First, I misread a part of your post and misquoted you. I apologize, I was not calling you a man-hater. However, that doesn't change that right now, on this topic, where you clearly feel very strongly that Workplace is allowing too many male voices to suppress issues of gender, it is plain to me that you would not listen to any man who told you that there wasn't an issue. I thought it prudent to have an experienced female voice enter the conversation." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:41:35.453" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12947" PostId="4622" Score="2" Text="@djechlin Second, the majority of the blowback you are gettinghere has nothing to do with the gender issue and everything to do with your tone. You are obviously very angry about this, but when you come here, accusing the entire Workplace of being out to get you, guns blazing looking for a fight, you are going to get one. This is The Workplace, where we expect people to be polite, civil, and above all **professional**. I understand that you are frustrated with comments you have gotten, but if you want people to listen to what you have to say, you need to be more civil about it." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:46:07.540" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12948" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@djechlin And that's all you will hear from me in this discussion. I have responded to what you have to say. I'm not going to spend any more time or energy on this post." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:47:39.840" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12953" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@djechlin What are you even talking about? How is *any* of this relevant to the linked post or your answer there? Why do you imagine that any of us here disagree that sexism in the workplace is an issue or that gender discrimination is even today still a prevalent and complex problem? What you don't seem to realise is that no one here is arguing that you're completely off-base but the real issue is that you're even bringing it up at all." CreationDate="2017-07-14T06:54:04.390" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12954" PostId="4622" Score="2" Text="You used your answer as a soapbox to go on a largely irrelevant (to the question) tirade against sexism and every comment you've posted here practically defines agenda pushing, even if you refuse to acknowledge it as such. You define your agenda in the very sentence where you deny having one! You're even referring to the users here as an &quot;audience&quot;. Perhaps drop the personal attacks and the hostility for a second and consider what it is that you're trying to accomplish here. Because all I see is someone lashing out after being called out for political grandstanding." CreationDate="2017-07-14T06:54:13.373" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12955" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@djechlin I think based on your comments in the answers that you see what we are saying. I just want to add that I don't think anyone expected an apology. No matter how you word your answer you are entitled to that opinion. I can tell that you passionate about the work place and the gender issue that as you state, you have expertise in. Because of this I would recommend that that you don't rage quit. It can be frustrating when you don't seemingly don't see eye to eye with someone about a subject you are passionate about, but that happens to all of us from time to time." CreationDate="2017-07-14T10:32:49.113" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12956" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="@djechlin One thing I do when I see a question on a topic that could get heated is I will draft an answer and sit on it for a while. Re-read it a couple of times throughout the day (usually after I have had time to reflect) and decide if that is the exact wording I want to use. Usually I end up re-writing the answer, because on the 3rd or 4th read it doesn't seem as appealing as it did the first time. Having a varied community is what makes The Workplace what it is, so stick around grab a drink and strap yourself it!" CreationDate="2017-07-14T10:36:19.857" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12957" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="Even if we disagree a lot here, I think everyone appreciates different view points and see the value that a different perspective can bring to a discussion. Hopefully we will still see you around." CreationDate="2017-07-14T10:37:21.280" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12979" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="I did not downvote your answer because I hadn't paid attention to that question until this drama started, nonetheless I would have probably done so ... and definitely not because of your stance on sexism. You are entitled to your opinion, even if it is not a popular one and it is childish behaviour to downvote just because I don't agree with someone. My issue with the answer is it is extremely unclear, I have no idea what you are talking about. What is &quot;ally behaviour&quot;? Pardon my ignorance, but I have never heard of this. (contd)" CreationDate="2017-07-15T17:09:03.033" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12980" PostId="4622" Score="0" Text="(contd) What is the purpose of pestering Alice with &quot;How are you?&quot; after she has already left the project? In fact, your answer was so unclear to me I could not even realize there was anything controversial about it! I even instinctively thought of voting to close as &quot;unclear what you're *answering*&quot;, before realizing that that option is available only for questions. If you hadn't made this meta post explaining the issue, I wouldn't have figured out at all that anything was going wrong here" CreationDate="2017-07-15T17:13:44.330" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12887" PostId="4624" Score="0" Text="Are moderators allowed to close or reopen a question multiple times?" CreationDate="2017-07-13T10:17:50.300" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12892" PostId="4624" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan-仮面の男 I assume so, since the moderators are listed separately from the users and it does say &quot;any question&quot;. Few if any of the anti-abuse measures apply to moderators I think." CreationDate="2017-07-13T10:53:11.873" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12903" PostId="4625" Score="1" Text="Speaking of loaded terms and phrases, you might want to reconsider &quot;lecturing&quot;, &quot;soapbox&quot;, &quot;check under his bed for sexism&quot;, and the like." CreationDate="2017-07-13T16:48:19.847" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12905" PostId="4625" Score="4" Text="@MonicaCellio and your reaction proves my point.  Put loaded terms in, and you get comments. Yes, I did it deliberately." CreationDate="2017-07-13T17:16:47.803" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12928" PostId="4625" Score="3" Text="Kinda proves my point that *your* soapboxing is mostly celebrated (comment upvotes), condoned here (answer upvotes) and bragged about (&quot;I did it deliberately&quot;), but what you call my soapboxing - which is not a thing I am doing - is harassed (&quot;calling him a rapist&quot;), insulted (&quot;sexist&quot;) and downvoted (the answer)." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:00:51.510" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12938" PostId="4625" Score="0" Text="@djechlin  I did put in those points, but the substance of my answer, the bulleted items, is quite serious.  People have all sorts of hot buttons.  I was not bragging about putting those loaded terms in, I was demonstrating how they can garner negative attention.  You've made it very clear in the past that I am not one of your favorite people here, which is fine, it's your right, but I am not being hostile towards you.  It took a long time for me to learn the culture in here.  Tone is everything, as I've said numerous times.  My advice is honest, please take it in the spirit it is given" CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:16:42.837" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12941" PostId="4625" Score="0" Text="OK, thanks. (Sure, &quot;not my favorite,&quot; but I also remember having very smart discussions with you sporadically over quite a while.)" CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:19:09.740" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12943" PostId="4625" Score="0" Text="@djechlin thank you.  This was not meant as a personal dig against you.  I appreciate your presence here and hope it continues.  Believe me, there are times when I've come close to a rage quit as well.  It's the nature of the beast, I guess, especially when the general consensus flows against you.  Intent is very hard to convey over the internet and it is very easy to be misunderstood.  I think we all should go back and read the &quot;assume good intentions&quot; part as I think we tend to forget." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:22:56.000" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12950" PostId="4625" Score="2" Text="@RichardU so you knowingly and *intentionally* used loaded terms to provoke a reaction to prove some sort of point?  Don't you see how you're doing exactly what you say not to do?  The rest of this answer is good, but the non-constructive language detracts from it." CreationDate="2017-07-13T22:09:46.933" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12951" PostId="4625" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio exactly." CreationDate="2017-07-14T01:37:12.013" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12900" PostId="4626" Score="0" Text="Thanks! How many moderators are there in total at The Workplace? I only ask because the OP stated &quot;it is almost entirely moderated by men&quot; - that surprised me." CreationDate="2017-07-13T16:26:09.707" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12901" PostId="4626" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere there are five diamond moderators.  I couldn't tell if the OP meant &quot;moderated&quot; more broadly (a lot gets done here by the community), which is why I specified &quot;diamond moderator&quot; in my answer." CreationDate="2017-07-13T16:34:33.303" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12902" PostId="4626" Score="5" Text="Thanks. So 40% of the &quot;diamond moderators&quot; are women. Got it." CreationDate="2017-07-13T16:36:07.147" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12911" PostId="4626" Score="0" Text="I haven't seen too much fire over disabilities, and I have my ear to the ground on that one as that usually gets my goat over anything else." CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:14:25.040" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12912" PostId="4626" Score="0" Text="is there another type of moderator, besides diamond?" CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:32:58.083" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12913" PostId="4626" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive well, technically _everyone_ has community moderation abilities (varying based on rep level). I have often seen users mix all moderation actions together." CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:33:38.457" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12914" PostId="4626" Score="0" Text="I see what you mean.  Does diamond = elected moderator?" CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:34:23.417" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12916" PostId="4626" Score="2" Text="@MisterPositive for non-beta sites, yes. Beta site moderators are sort of elected by popular vote too but ultimately Stack Exchange decides. On graduated sites like Workplace all moderators were elected at some point (see [election results](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/election) for the history here, each site will have a respective /election page)." CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:36:27.130" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12922" PostId="4626" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere a small fraction of moderation is done by diamond moderators. Upvotes, downvotes, and comments that are often censuring are the primary form of moderation and I don't think any platform puts these community moderation tools as front and center as any SE site does. It sort of surprises me that 40% of the diamond mods are women (unless it means 2/5, in which case I know of Monica, and the second would be my sort-of surprise)." CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:52:55.157" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12923" PostId="4626" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive yes, obviously we use &quot;moderator&quot; to mean &quot;diamond mod&quot; but every now and then it's important to remember what huge amount of moderation takes place over votes, comments and flags, without involving any diamond mod." CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:53:42.103" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12925" PostId="4626" Score="0" Text="@djechlin it was not obvious to me what the term diamond mod actually meant." CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:54:30.900" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12926" PostId="4626" Score="0" Text="@Monica I feel like every so often I have an answer at the &quot;undergraduate calculus&quot; level of gender awareness and am met with some - rather large - combination of censuring comments and downvotes from people who believe that high school math really ought to be off limits here. At least until they each get their personal discussion, trying to ramp up to calculus quite quickly, and I get called math-ist for as long as that goes on, and it does not end successfully. Yes, the end result is that I hold my tongue on these issues, and participation entirely if that's the best deal available." CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:57:55.577" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12927" PostId="4626" Score="0" Text="Even the &quot;small&quot; number 3 votes per answer is actually quite a lot, for the many of us like me who feel invested in quality answers, and I consistently see it for this class of answers. It's just not fair to me to call it quitting over just the actions of a few users." CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:59:38.320" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12935" PostId="4626" Score="0" Text="@djechlin you can see current moderators on the users tab undermoderators - https://workplace.stackexchange.com/users?tab=moderators from there it's pretty easy to see at least two of the moderators are women (well, I guess technically they could be men impersonating women and lying to us all? hah)." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:10:42.550" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12915" PostId="4628" Score="1" Text="Love love love that saying.  I repeat that to my kids at least twice a week." CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:34:54.873" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12917" PostId="4628" Score="1" Text="Couldn't agree more.  This is something I struggle with daily,." CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:41:03.037" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12920" PostId="4628" Score="0" Text="Honest question, that may indeed prove your point, how is that actually different from what I said?" CreationDate="2017-07-13T18:50:49.760" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12930" PostId="4628" Score="0" Text="@djechlin I edited in a bunch of explanation." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:03:52.940" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12939" PostId="4628" Score="0" Text="Thanks, it probably would have stemmed some of the complaints, but obviously many people would prefer gender not be mentioned at all. I do feel far more precision is demanded on this topic than any other on the site. Usually a blunt, curt style is very actively promoted and celebrated on this site, it's part of our brand about no nonsense answers to tough situations." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:17:56.360" UserDisplayName="user42272" />
  <row Id="12942" PostId="4628" Score="4" Text="@djechlin `I do feel far more precision is demanded on this topic than any other on the site.` -- then be precise and detailed instead of dropping a short answer with lots of polarizing language, assumptions, and not trying to explain itself? Your comment here makes me feel like you are _trying_ to blame this on everyone else rather than actually trying to learn and understand the reasons why your post was poorly received." CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:21:18.813" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12944" PostId="4628" Score="0" Text="@djechlin check out the revision history of this question and see how the tone was changed.  it went from a negative rating with several close votes to 84.  https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/69487/revisions" CreationDate="2017-07-13T19:29:31.837" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12949" PostId="4629" Score="3" Text="I would probably go for something along the lines : SE sites are for profesionals and enthousiasts, everyone need to act the most profesional way possible in his post/comments/... This is even more true on the Workplace. Profesionalism is not letting strong feelings take the best of you in your posts. A good start is to rewrite the biaised question in order to make it more neutral and factual to avoid answers based on feelings." CreationDate="2017-07-13T21:03:58.067" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="12952" PostId="4629" Score="6" Text="@Walfrat that's an answer, not a comment ;)" CreationDate="2017-07-14T06:50:18.240" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="12969" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Comments are not for extended discussion - long-term solution discussion](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4587/comments-are-not-for-extended-discussion-long-term-solution-discussion)" CreationDate="2017-07-14T18:47:13.793" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="12971" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="Hold on, do you mean approaches to the design of the Q&amp;A site itself or do you mean approaches to individual questions or answers (or both / either)?" CreationDate="2017-07-14T18:51:59.577" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="12973" PostId="4629" Score="1" Text="@Dukeling Approaches to individual questions and answers.  It seems that certain topics will set people off.  I'm not concerned with the comments, so I don't think it's a duplicate." CreationDate="2017-07-14T19:03:25.450" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12974" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="I'd welcome any edits to make this less awkward.  I've tried but I backed out because it only made it more convoluted." CreationDate="2017-07-14T19:09:00.490" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12975" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="So... how can we phrase questions and answers on controversial topics to avoid the topic getting heated (where said heat is expressed using comments?)? IMO we currently do a pretty good job of keep questions and answers fairly neutral, so I'm not sure there's really a problem here (I could be wrong). Don't the answers in the post you linked already answer this sufficiently?" CreationDate="2017-07-14T19:20:56.653" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="12976" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling not sure. which is why I posted this" CreationDate="2017-07-14T19:28:38.343" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="12983" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling - I assume that there are always some members of the community who *want* topics to become heated. Thus, you cannot stop it from happening. I think we each have to model behavior that we want to see, hope for the best, and rely on moderators to clean up the mess when it inevitably goes astray on occasion. (Personally, I think getting rid of &quot;Hot Network Questions&quot; could help, but that's out of our control)." CreationDate="2017-07-16T11:52:20.043" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12984" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere (Personally, I think comments are the real problem, if there is a problem, and removing, changing or hiding them would solve it, since then the heated discussion would take place out of sight or purely in the form of votes, which isn't all that heated)" CreationDate="2017-07-16T12:15:04.930" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="12985" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling - comments clearly have the power to take a topic and make it more heated. And since individuals cannot downvote or delete comments, moderators have to take a more active role cleaning things up (perhaps prompted to do so by flags)." CreationDate="2017-07-16T12:17:29.657" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12987" PostId="4629" Score="0" Text="@Erik More like a start because I didn't know how to put it properly." CreationDate="2017-07-16T18:33:48.740" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="12959" PostId="4632" Score="1" Text="Related: [Are we using NAA and VLQ flags correctly?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2402/are-we-using-naa-and-vlq-flags-correctly) and [Bad answers being marked as low quality, when they aren't](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4463/bad-answers-being-marked-as-low-quality-when-they-arent). There might be more or a more recent consensus but the search isn't being very cooperative." CreationDate="2017-07-14T14:44:39.770" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12960" PostId="4632" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I had the same question recently, and @Lilienthal's answer on the second link answers it pretty well for me." CreationDate="2017-07-14T15:16:10.553" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12962" PostId="4632" Score="3" Text="The correctness of an answer is determined by the voting system. You should not judge the correctness by recommending to delete, you could be wrong" CreationDate="2017-07-14T15:49:01.950" UserId="16712" />
  <row Id="12963" PostId="4632" Score="0" Text="I agree with @PlasmaHH.   This community will typically downvote or flag inappropriate &quot;Point Grab&quot; type questions." CreationDate="2017-07-14T15:53:22.990" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="12965" PostId="4632" Score="1" Text="Thanks, I wanna learn how to do these things right so I can be a productive member of the community" CreationDate="2017-07-14T16:16:18.637" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12967" PostId="4632" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus And we very much appreciate that! One of the best places to start, if you haven't found it already, is the [Privileges page](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges) of your profile. There should be a brief introduction and how-to for every new privilege you can get." CreationDate="2017-07-14T17:46:32.790" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="12972" PostId="4632" Score="2" Text="@SaggingRufus I thought you were just supposed to click randomly when you get new privileges to learn how they work. _enderland is doing it wrong_ ;-)" CreationDate="2017-07-14T18:53:46.140" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="12968" PostId="4633" Score="1" Text="that's not really an answer. &quot;Let them do it&quot; is not an answer to &quot;What is a good approach&quot;" CreationDate="2017-07-14T18:21:00.733" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12977" PostId="4633" Score="1" Text="@SaggingRufus Seems like an excellent answer to me, however if it gets 250 downvotes I promise to delete it." CreationDate="2017-07-14T23:34:15.910" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12978" PostId="4633" Score="3" Text="@SaggingRufus I see no reason why not. Sometimes letting the right people handle the issue is not just a good approach, but also the right approach." CreationDate="2017-07-15T16:59:21.803" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="12981" PostId="4633" Score="2" Text="You'd rather take something that any of our hundreds of users could do and restrict it to five people?  That doesn't sound very healthy to me." CreationDate="2017-07-16T03:27:39.367" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12982" PostId="4633" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio only the five can do much, the rest of us hundreds would just put ourselves in the firing line for some abuse." CreationDate="2017-07-16T08:11:57.230" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="12986" PostId="4633" Score="1" Text="Do what exactly? Clean things up when both someone's flagged it and they've seen the flag, possibly quite some time after the conversation has gotten out of control? Ban users who post controversial on-topic posts or those who leave comments justifying their downvotes disagreeing with said posts?" CreationDate="2017-07-16T12:26:14.477" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="12988" PostId="4634" Score="1" Text="Locking a post also prevents voting and editing.  Particularly if there's some problem (that's leading to those comments), we *want* people to be able to edit it.  We have used locks at times, of course, but it's not the first tool we reach for.  (I, and many other mods, would *love* to have a comments-only lock -- that is, leave the post alone except that new comments can't be added -- but that's not available now.)" CreationDate="2017-07-17T01:21:35.893" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="12989" PostId="4634" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio yes that's a known problem, that's why I believe it should only be applied when inappropriate comments tend to stick too much (and even then with a smaller timeout than default). There is even a feature request to allow comment-only locking somewhere at MSE, it is based exactly on the idea to avoid blocking editing of the post" CreationDate="2017-07-17T01:26:41.753" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="12990" PostId="4636" Score="0" Text="I agree, I don't see why this question was closed" CreationDate="2017-07-17T14:00:39.263" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12991" PostId="4636" Score="0" Text="I was thinking the same thing." CreationDate="2017-07-17T14:22:07.540" UserId="42099" />
  <row Id="12993" PostId="4637" Score="0" Text="I'd probably follow Dukeling's [comment](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/95268/how-to-decide-about-taking-a-job-related-to-rather-than-directly-in-the-field-yo#comment286863_95268). The last sentence is indeed generally answerable but it's also *very* broad and that doesn't work with the preceding paragraph which has the effect of limiting this to a very specific situation. You'd need to edit it to a canonical version of this question (i.e. scrap the first paragraph and narrow the scope) before we could really consider reopening." CreationDate="2017-07-18T07:53:00.620" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12995" PostId="4639" Score="3" Text="&quot;I would expect to see close votes because it's outside most users' area of expertise&quot;. Then those people need to retake the tour. You don't close something because you don't understand. You VTC if it is genuinely off topic." CreationDate="2017-07-18T09:55:43.930" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="12997" PostId="4639" Score="2" Text="&quot;Because it didn't get a single close vote. That's a pretty strong indicator that the community considered it on-topic.&quot; - I think in reality this is the key. If folks here *want* to answer it, then it's on-topic. Oh well." CreationDate="2017-07-18T10:42:48.560" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="12998" PostId="4639" Score="1" Text="@SaggingRufus And whether something is on-topic is determined by the community and what they consider the site's scope to be. People come here expecting questions on workplace issues and typically consider themselves eligible to answer if they have relevant professional experience. We often push questions off to Academia because our core userbase does not overlap significantly with Academia. Experience with &quot;conventional&quot; workplaces doesn't give you experience in dealing with the particulars of an academic setting." CreationDate="2017-07-18T11:15:51.420" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12999" PostId="4639" Score="0" Text="Similarly, freelancing is very closely related to regular workplace issues but most of our users seem to be classically employed and can't speak to specifics about freelancing questions. You'd expect that subset of users to be the core userbase of [freelancing.se]." CreationDate="2017-07-18T11:15:56.540" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13000" PostId="4639" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Mostly, yes. It's possible for questions to slip through without much attention (or close votes) over the weekend and to then get bountied to prevent close votes but that's very rare and didn't happen here. It's inevitable in a community run site like this that your view of the scope won't match up perfectly. I know I tend to disagree on ergonomics questions being on topic here for instance but most people consider them within the scope." CreationDate="2017-07-18T11:31:42.007" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13002" PostId="4639" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - thanks, I understand. I'll go back to not worrying about on/off-topic and give up trying to figure it out." CreationDate="2017-07-18T11:54:14.003" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13020" PostId="4639" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere why, your sense of topicality looks OK to me. The question is really borderline, especially part up to &quot;What would you do?&quot; (frankly I would edit that messy sentence out of the question). I would vote close it myself if it didn't turn into &quot;How can I say in a professional way that I do not accept their proposal?&quot; (which still didn't made it clear cut on-topic to me mind you but merely made me uncertain if it may be). That's kind of gray area topic wise and in gray areas you need just learn to live with fact that many may disagree with your assessment" CreationDate="2017-07-18T16:30:47.847" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13022" PostId="4639" Score="1" Text="@gnat - I've resigned myself to the fact that I'm not really able to discern the &quot;rules&quot; here. That's fine. I'll no longer vote to close anything as off-topic, since I'm clearly not able to judge. (In general, I'd prefer to kill the whole &quot;vote to close&quot; process anyway, and let downvotes/upvotes take care of things.)" CreationDate="2017-07-18T16:39:34.137" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13028" PostId="4639" Score="0" Text="I think it's completely up to you whether to use votes to close or not @JoeStrazzere - I merely pointed that in example of this question your sense of topicality looks okay. Though your reliance on up/down votes seems a bit too optimistic because these are too easy to manipulate ([recent example](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4415/168)). &quot;Trouble with popularity&quot; is a long known thing" CreationDate="2017-07-18T19:47:30.080" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13029" PostId="4639" Score="1" Text="@gnat - I hear you. Sorry for going all curmudgeony. Maybe I've been on the site too long, since I'm starting to get tired of some of what I see..." CreationDate="2017-07-18T19:55:13.870" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16556" PostId="4639" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I sympathise with and share your confusion on this issue. In my opinion, there should be clear guidelines to follow as to what is and isn't on-topic for a given SE site, to ensure moderation is done consistently and is not a messy free-for-all. The rules/guidelines need not be static - they could be changed, if the community agrees it is necessary; however, the current guidelines *as they stand* should be clearly spelled out for all to see. Otherwise, the rules pages should be done away with entirely, if we are to rely on the discretion of the community in all cases." CreationDate="2018-09-20T20:47:19.390" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="16557" PostId="4639" Score="0" Text="@Time4Tea You should start a new meta discussion if that's a topic you want to explore." CreationDate="2018-09-21T07:46:15.640" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="12994" PostId="4640" Score="5" Text="There is nothing you *can* do. And you shouldn't worry about it. People are allowed to vote whichever way they want. If somebody is deliberately targeting your posts, the vote-reversal monitors will deal with it. Otherwise, just accept that you can never convince *everyone*." CreationDate="2017-07-18T09:44:12.423" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="12996" PostId="4640" Score="3" Text="do unexplained upvotes worry you?" CreationDate="2017-07-18T10:18:12.187" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13005" PostId="4640" Score="1" Text="Related: [Explain and downvote - Good Practice?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3417/explain-and-downvote-good-practice)" CreationDate="2017-07-18T12:08:11.090" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13015" PostId="4640" Score="1" Text="Three downvotes is hardly a trend and you're also leaving out that you got at least one upvote on each of those posts as well. It's a bit much to suspect that a site has a culture problem from just that. Additionally the two answers you posted were on questions that are clearly off-topic to site regulars, and when people vote to close they sometimes downvote those answers, even if the author might not be aware of the problematic nature of the question. The linked thread and the main meta are pretty clear that there's no expectation that one should explain their downvote." CreationDate="2017-07-18T14:06:27.310" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13026" PostId="4640" Score="0" Text="@Kaz: Your comment deserves to be an answer." CreationDate="2017-07-18T19:06:26.363" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="13001" PostId="4641" Score="5" Text="_You can appeal to the site designers to change the way the site works._ do notice though that this has been done at the very least every other week for at least 5-6 years now and it's been denied every single time." CreationDate="2017-07-18T11:35:34.207" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="13006" PostId="4641" Score="0" Text="@Magisch - that's true." CreationDate="2017-07-18T12:22:23.393" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13003" PostId="4642" Score="3" Text="Bounties, are, by definition, used for whatever people *want* to use them for. They are primarily used for the reasons you noted (Attracting answers, rewarding existing answers) but you can (and people do) award bounties for whatever reasons you feel like." CreationDate="2017-07-18T11:55:06.817" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="13004" PostId="4642" Score="0" Text="ok, well that makes more sense. I was getting really confused when I saw a question get like 3 bounties." CreationDate="2017-07-18T11:59:43.653" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="13009" PostId="4642" Score="1" Text="Check the main meta for details on how bounties are set up. [This is the main one](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/16065/how-does-the-bounty-system-work) but specifically for your question look at: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/107282/i-want-to-award-a-bounty-to-an-existing-answer-should-i-have-to-wait-24-hours // https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/116072/should-the-24-hour-timeout-apply-to-bounties-awarded-for-exemplary-answer // https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/268362/waiting-24-hours-to-reward-an-existing-answer-is-completely-illogical" CreationDate="2017-07-18T13:47:01.880" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13010" PostId="4642" Score="1" Text="Long story short: your interpretation of what a bounty is for and the help center description is correct. But people were using them to reward existing answers which is why that was added as an option, even if it's not their main goal. In practice you're much more likely to see bounties being handed out as rewards though. To keep the bounty system intact, there's a 24 hour delay before awarding so that even when you want to reward an answer, as in theory there could be a new answers inspired by the bounty that deserves it more. But I'd just start a new bounty to reward that one as well..." CreationDate="2017-07-18T13:48:47.840" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13011" PostId="4642" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal thanks! it doesn't bother me either way I was just confused. I didn't even know it was possible to award multiple bounties on a question!" CreationDate="2017-07-18T13:50:39.797" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="13012" PostId="4642" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus Yeah the dichotomy bounty/reward is a common source of confusion. As far as I can tell it's being kept as is and not promoted because there's no ideal solution to the problem." CreationDate="2017-07-18T13:51:59.533" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13067" PostId="4642" Score="0" Text="it's the quicker picker upper." CreationDate="2017-07-21T12:16:32.260" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13103" PostId="4642" Score="0" Text="A bounty is more important on the main site (stackoverflow) because sometimes on hard question, people are not interested to put there time into answering them (doing research, work out the problem, etc.) but with a bounty you can attract some skillful answerers that might solve your solution. I don't see this as a problem on workplace (questions always get answers) so imo bounties are not as important on workplace as on e.g. stackoverflow itself." CreationDate="2017-07-25T09:20:06.120" UserId="49157" />
  <row Id="13008" PostId="4644" Score="2" Text="You wrote &quot;because we are not a resume writing service&quot;. But the answers to many similar questions indicate that we are indeed a &quot;resume writing *helper* service&quot;." CreationDate="2017-07-18T13:45:13.823" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13007" PostId="4646" Score="1" Text="Very helpful.  The more I participate, the less I find I know." CreationDate="2017-07-18T13:44:58.813" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13013" PostId="4646" Score="2" Text="Exactly this. To illustrate the difference: &quot;*I worked at X, Y and Z. What should my resume look like?*&quot; is off-topic. &quot;*I worked at a single company over many years in two drastically different roles, can I list these separately?*&quot; is on-topic. There's some overlap in phrasing of course but generally it should be obvious whether it's &quot;write my resume for me&quot; or &quot;what's the best practice in a general situation?&quot;." CreationDate="2017-07-18T13:57:29.927" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13014" PostId="4646" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal IMHO all of these resume related questions are completely off topic, there is so much online info about this it isn't even funny.  So my solution is I will just ignore them, since I am apparently in the minority regarding this topic. ( I won't down-vote or VTC )." CreationDate="2017-07-18T14:04:35.683" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13016" PostId="4646" Score="2" Text="There's info online about anything, I'm not sure why that's relevant? The advantage here is that you have multiple points of view when a question has several answers and those answers undergo feedback and a &quot;grade&quot; in the form of community votes. Because of that I'll look at advice on how to note something on my resume from this site when I wouldn't even consider doing so on Quora or Yahoo Answers." CreationDate="2017-07-18T14:09:36.703" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13017" PostId="4646" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Its relevant because of the amount of obvious pre-written examples that are easily google-able.  As I mentioned I will just ignore them." CreationDate="2017-07-18T14:29:01.687" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13018" PostId="4646" Score="2" Text="@MisterPositive just wait until you become a moderator, you'll find everything you once thought you knew... is gone! :o" CreationDate="2017-07-18T14:35:30.447" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13019" PostId="4646" Score="0" Text="@enderland I am not sure I am moderator material ;-)" CreationDate="2017-07-18T14:38:57.703" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13021" PostId="4647" Score="2" Text="Seems like it boils down to &quot;Does every question become on-topic if it gets (some or a ton of) answers?&quot; And if it's &quot;Yes&quot;, then what kind of guidance can we possibly give people other than &quot;Just post whatever you want and hope that it gets some answers and thus remains in place.&quot; I don't have a good answer to all of this, it's just confusing." CreationDate="2017-07-18T16:36:42.720" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13023" PostId="4647" Score="0" Text="To make matters worse (or better, depending on how you want to look at it), OP has now placed a bounty for an exemplary answer. I wonder what happens to the bounty if the question is migrated now." CreationDate="2017-07-18T16:43:16.690" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13024" PostId="4647" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan-仮面の男 as far as I know moderator can drop the bounty off the question (and they also can pick whether to refund it back to bounty giver or not)" CreationDate="2017-07-18T17:10:38.807" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13196" PostId="4648" Score="0" Text="Thanks for this contribution.  I added &quot;career&quot; to the final version (see the accepted answer for the full text)." CreationDate="2017-08-03T03:46:14.363" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13038" PostId="4652" Score="0" Text="I mean, you could ask them, but unfortunately they wont help you anymore. Theoretically as long as they are on topic and well formulated that's all we care about it. You may have been better off just posting them as if it was the present though. Then, no one would know the difference and it wouldn't have mattered anyway." CreationDate="2017-07-19T09:58:24.273" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="13040" PostId="4652" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus. Thanks. I was thinking of doing that i.e. making the situation 'present' but I just was not sure if it is a good idea. Thanks for your thoughts though." CreationDate="2017-07-19T10:04:29.387" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="13043" PostId="4652" Score="1" Text="@SaggingRufus I wouldn't suggest pretending it's about a current situation. It complicates matters when we ask for feedback and there's no real reason to as it's fairly normal for past tense questions to come up and I haven't seen them get any less attention because of that." CreationDate="2017-07-19T11:40:27.627" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13039" PostId="4653" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the input" CreationDate="2017-07-19T10:03:01.063" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="13044" PostId="4653" Score="2" Text="Fully agree with Joe: as long as it's useful there's no problem with asking about past events. You do need to pay attention to how you phrase your core question though @PagMax. &quot;*Did I make the right call?*&quot; is even less useful than an open-ended &quot;*What should I do?*&quot;. Those sorts of questions are very dependent on situation-specific details and hard to answer. &quot;*What other options did I have?&quot;* or &quot;*How should I handle this in the future?*&quot; are better and less likely to attract close votes." CreationDate="2017-07-19T11:43:03.883" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13080" PostId="4653" Score="0" Text="Not only if they could apply to others - also if they could apply to yourself, in the future." CreationDate="2017-07-24T11:50:31.053" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="13047" PostId="4655" Score="8" Text="You're saying that [tag:annoyances] is annoying?" CreationDate="2017-07-19T16:22:24.197" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13048" PostId="4655" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Yes, pretty much. Without any doubt, it is the most annoying tag we have here. :-)" CreationDate="2017-07-19T16:48:53.230" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13049" PostId="4655" Score="1" Text="Agreed.  In light of our play nice policy, an &quot;annoyances&quot; tag isn't nice." CreationDate="2017-07-19T17:12:27.413" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13053" PostId="4655" Score="1" Text="I'm getting annoyed just thinking about that tag! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL9JgMt4okM" CreationDate="2017-07-19T19:18:37.270" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13056" PostId="4655" Score="0" Text="why would you want to get rid of a day?  Ach, sorry, English!" CreationDate="2017-07-19T20:42:19.353" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13050" PostId="4656" Score="0" Text="Any reason why the re-open queue won't work for these? A reopen flag or vote will push it into that queue.  If you combine that with an edit to improve that should usually get the question reopened. When you're dealing with older questions and stuff that's already been answered it seems overkill to do it through meta." CreationDate="2017-07-19T17:55:38.057" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13054" PostId="4656" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't bother. Personally I find it distracting to see old zombie posts rise from the dead, well after they have served their purpose." CreationDate="2017-07-19T19:20:58.770" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13057" PostId="4656" Score="0" Text="Do me a favor and vote down if you disagree. I'm half with Joe on saying that they've served their purpose. I'm primarily asking this, not because I feel like answering the questions, but because I feel that they don't deserve the closed status when I don't see anything in the question that is explicitly close-worthy (specifically off-topic reasons)" CreationDate="2017-07-19T20:48:13.093" UserId="69870" />
  <row Id="13051" PostId="4657" Score="2" Text="&quot;*or it just won't be reopenned.*&quot; How so? Questions *are* regularly reopened through the queue." CreationDate="2017-07-19T17:57:43.663" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13055" PostId="4657" Score="0" Text="vote reopen from 3K user, as well as edits that meet [conditions described here](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/256572/839601) automatically push question into reopen queue where other 3K users decide whether it is improved sufficiently to reopen. See [this example of failed review](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/60427) and [this example of successful review](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/reopen/59078)" CreationDate="2017-07-19T19:44:30.357" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13064" PostId="4657" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal yeah i used quite a shortcut here, I just think that usually it's better to make a met post to explain why it should be reopenned unless it's an easy case." CreationDate="2017-07-20T10:43:38.620" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="13068" PostId="4663" Score="0" Text="I had a look through main meta but can't find anything relevant to this topic. Either it hasn't been asked before or, more likely, it's buried somewhere in the archives because it never got much traction or is awkwardly phrased. Either way, perhaps you could ask the general question on main meta as I'm not aware of a standard procedure on this and it's not site-specific." CreationDate="2017-07-23T21:22:49.200" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13069" PostId="4663" Score="0" Text="If the question is closed for being &quot;Opinion based&quot; I see no value in opening it up and closing it yet again for being a &quot;Duplicate&quot;. Maybe it's just me." CreationDate="2017-07-23T21:48:10.793" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13070" PostId="4663" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I found one question on main meta asked a couple of months ago, but it has no answers. https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/347897/252576" CreationDate="2017-07-24T01:08:16.787" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13071" PostId="4663" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan-仮面の男 Keep in mind that that's SO meta, not [meta.se]." CreationDate="2017-07-24T06:32:41.847" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13074" PostId="4663" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Oh right, I always get confused between the two. :|" CreationDate="2017-07-24T11:07:51.973" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13093" PostId="4663" Score="1" Text="I've started a related discussion on Meta Stack Exchange: *[Why do I need to reopen my question to have it marked as a duplicate?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/298756/351462)*" CreationDate="2017-07-24T20:12:01.697" UserId="68427" />
  <row Id="13075" PostId="4665" Score="4" Text="In my opinion, both questions belong in the &quot;Personal Productivity&quot; forum. But sometimes moderators get to a question quickly and migrate it, other times they don't and are reluctant to migrate a question which already has a bunch of answers. Don't take it personally, there is a lot of fuzziness about what should be migrated and what should not. Don't expect hard and fast rules or complete consistency. People do the migration, not an algorithm." CreationDate="2017-07-24T11:13:08.543" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13079" PostId="4665" Score="1" Text="[trouble with popularity](https://blog.stackexchange.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/) @JoeStrazzere - business as usual" CreationDate="2017-07-24T11:37:47.310" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13073" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="In the same time it got the close votes it had also garnered a few up votes. I also believe it made it to HNQ for a short period after being migrated. I just wish there was more consistency to these close votes and that the opinion of just 3 people in a 5 minute window shouldn't be enough to warrant a migration. Although the post got ~2k views, the migration caused it to get much less attention and as a result fewer answers- you may notice that I didn't accept an answer because I honestly didn't get a satisfactory one." CreationDate="2017-07-24T10:23:04.170" UserId="69870" />
  <row Id="13076" PostId="4667" Score="3" Text="&quot;the lack of a clear migration philosophy is probably the chief culprit&quot; - this." CreationDate="2017-07-24T11:19:22.367" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13077" PostId="4667" Score="0" Text="@DCON Conversely if your post had stayed on Workplace and picked up downvotes for being off-topic it would never have reached HNQ. HNQ tends to be a mixed blessing as well as the answers you got because of it aren't ones that I would call high quality. The best way to attract answers is to phrase your post well and concisely, have a clear core question and post it where it's on-topic and within scope. Attracting exposure after the fact can be done with the bounty system." CreationDate="2017-07-24T11:24:02.520" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13078" PostId="4667" Score="2" Text="But ultimately the fact that you got fewer or less useful answers has no relevance to the off-topic close and migration. I think it's worth raising the issue of inconsistent migration or to discuss whether the mod team acted too fast on this one. But those are two largely separate issues and not getting a good answer isn't pertinent to either of them. I believe the close vote process exists to preserve the Q&amp;A nature of the site and is not concerned with helping the author of the question. The migration process exists for both, though the focus remains on bringing a useful question to a site." CreationDate="2017-07-24T11:24:08.340" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13091" PostId="4668" Score="2" Text="If a question is on-topic on a site, it shouldn't be migrated to another site where it's also on-topic, even if that site is somehow &quot;better&quot;.  The OP chose to ask it here, and we should [respect our community](https://stackoverflow.blog/2012/03/22/respect-the-community-your-own-and-others/).  Migration should only be an option if the question is *off-topic* here, i.e. we would close it outright if we couldn't migrate it somewhere else.  (I'm not saying anything about those two questions in this comment, just responding to what you said about better options.)" CreationDate="2017-07-24T19:11:22.510" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13081" PostId="4669" Score="1" Text="I think [this](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2865/2322) is the reason for this?" CreationDate="2017-07-24T15:23:19.227" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13082" PostId="4669" Score="1" Text="This happens on desktop as well, so not just a mobile thing." CreationDate="2017-07-24T15:37:09.627" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13083" PostId="4669" Score="0" Text="Also, on desktop at least, it definitely happens on other sites as well. Here are some examples on [SciFi](https://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/164352/why-dont-lightsabers-have-guards), [Academia](https://academia.stackexchange.com/a/93590/29336), [Worldbuilding](https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/86914/what-is-a-logical-explanation-for-why-a-race-of-stone-humanoids-wouldnt-become). Can you verify whether the comments are expanded on these as well?" CreationDate="2017-07-24T15:40:01.330" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13084" PostId="4669" Score="0" Text="@ender so by design? Even when there is a single comment?" CreationDate="2017-07-24T15:49:24.880" UserId="11208" />
  <row Id="13085" PostId="4669" Score="0" Text="@David single un-upvoted comment on the worldbuilding and scifi link are not hidden." CreationDate="2017-07-24T15:50:12.323" UserId="11208" />
  <row Id="13086" PostId="4669" Score="0" Text="@cde Interesting, they are hidden for me on desktop. And just tried my phone - hidden there too." CreationDate="2017-07-24T15:51:59.693" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13087" PostId="4669" Score="2" Text="Possible duplicate of [Comments without upvotes are now hidden if a question has more than two answers](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2899/comments-without-upvotes-are-now-hidden-if-a-question-has-more-than-two-answers)" CreationDate="2017-07-24T17:39:44.790" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13088" PostId="4669" Score="0" Text="That answers the question, but they are not dupes. This can be marked as status-by-design." CreationDate="2017-07-24T17:55:58.110" UserId="11208" />
  <row Id="13089" PostId="4669" Score="0" Text="I am pretty sure that in StackOverflow (also in the mobile) low upvoted comments are hidden also, this is an expected behavior to make good comments stand out" CreationDate="2017-07-24T17:56:00.437" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13090" PostId="4669" Score="0" Text="@gray on most sites the first 5 un-upvoted comments are seen for every answer. The behavior here and on SO are the odd ones." CreationDate="2017-07-24T18:00:26.723" UserId="11208" />
  <row Id="13092" PostId="4670" Score="4" Text="&quot;*Is there any way I can see a close vote history for a specific question?*&quot; **Yes**, [with some effort](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/275144). Basically grab the URL with the question ID, replace &quot;questions&quot; in the URL with &quot;posts&quot; and replace everything after the post ID with &quot;/timeline&quot;. For the linked question that would be: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/95481/timeline. There is no rep requirement for this as far as I know." CreationDate="2017-07-24T19:32:27.703" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13101" PostId="4671" Score="1" Text="O wow, that timeline is a smart tool ;-)" CreationDate="2017-07-25T06:06:18.167" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="13109" PostId="4673" Score="1" Text="As to why one-word answers are viewed as low-quality here, check out [this meta post](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/255/faq-proposal-back-it-up-and-dont-repeat-others), as well as some of the links there." CreationDate="2017-07-25T12:46:25.577" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13110" PostId="4673" Score="1" Text="Related - https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/511/2322" CreationDate="2017-07-25T14:20:17.237" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13104" PostId="4674" Score="1" Text="I do disagree with decision, while &quot;the community&quot; voted to deleted, I had almost as many upvotes as down(+4/-5) at the point of your deletion.  The **question** was whether using too few words meant that the answer  could be ignored at best or considered a flat out lie at worst.  A long answer **supports** the idea that an answer to a question should be judged on it's length, not on it's correctness. My first comment on the length of my post was not meant as a defense of it's length, but intended for the OP -- as counter to the idea that because it was short, I didn't give any consideration" CreationDate="2017-07-25T09:43:50.093" UserId="271" />
  <row Id="13105" PostId="4674" Score="0" Text="to it.  I did, it took me a long time work my way down to just one word.  As for what should happen if there was an alternate answer that was just &quot;Yes&quot;, the community should vote.  Frankly I think the ideal situation for this question would be for there to be just two answers yes/no, with votes and comments.  There is one answer that is yes, it has (at this time) 4 upvotes.  There are 18 other answers that are no, the top voted answer has 206 upvotes.  Combine all of the upvotes on no and compare it to the yes votes and you'd see that there is no question that a long answer is not necessary." CreationDate="2017-07-25T09:54:49.853" UserId="271" />
  <row Id="13106" PostId="4674" Score="2" Text="&quot;*Frankly I think the ideal situation*&quot; I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how this site works. As I mentioned, this is not a technical site where we have correct answers. We answer interpersonal questions and cover workplace situations where virtually nothing is ever black-and-white. By your logic I could have simply answered your question here with &quot;Flag it.&quot; You'd have no idea why you should or what else you could try but it'd be an answer coming from someone with a diamond next to their name so therefore it would surely have to be correct," CreationDate="2017-07-25T10:23:41.530" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13107" PostId="4674" Score="2" Text="just like the Yes/No answer would be decided simply by virtue of the votes. But that's not how any of this works. We explicitly mark questions that are a simple &quot;tell me what to do&quot; as off-topic. There are a variety of reasons for that but the main one is that it simply doesn't make for good Q&amp;A. &quot;Yes you should&quot; tells me or others *nothing* about the reasons behind that decisions, and that's what we're all about here." CreationDate="2017-07-25T10:24:00.680" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13108" PostId="4674" Score="2" Text="Answers shouldn't tell someone what to do but how they should make a decision, what options are available to them and which might be ideal for in a particular situation because of X, Y and Z. As for the votes: you got 6 delete votes and several downvotes initially with those upvotes coming in after you undeleted it initially. They're presumably the result of the HNQ influx with a lot of users who aren't accustomed to our site culture and who tend to upvote but never downvote. And even if that wasn't the case the delete votes cast by high-rep users tend to carry more weight in this process." CreationDate="2017-07-25T10:24:08.333" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13113" PostId="4682" Score="1" Text="Thanks @David K , this seems to be the reason why. I also found [this](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7237/how-does-reputation-work) and [this other](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8086/how-to-get-over-200-reputation-points-every-day) questions that pointed me to the conclusion you also arrived. It seem that the maximum is only for **upvotes and edits**, one can still get more than 200 rep from other actions. Also, this &quot;lost&quot; reputation is not gained on future days..." CreationDate="2017-07-26T18:02:46.747" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13116" PostId="4683" Score="0" Text="The latest version of the question is potentially unclear. Your initial motivation seems to have been how to value the earning potential of different careers or to figure out which one was the most interesting from a financial perspective. The last edits are more &quot;I'm not sure where to take my career, how do I go about planning a career path? What should I look at?&quot;. Both are potentially useful questions but they're probably distinct enough to warrant separate questions." CreationDate="2017-07-27T10:05:06.473" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13117" PostId="4683" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I can make two questions ?" CreationDate="2017-07-27T10:09:16.253" UserId="70762" />
  <row Id="13118" PostId="4683" Score="3" Text="If they are both good ones then yes. :) Basically, on StackExchange we want questions that are clear and about a specific &quot;core question&quot;. We don't want questions that ask 4 different things because then the answers might cover only some of those and it's difficult to judge (via upvotes/downvotes) whether an answer is good or not. &quot;How do I find the typical salary progression for a career?&quot; is a very different question from &quot;How do I determine what career is for me?&quot; so if you wanted to ask both those things you'd post two separate questions." CreationDate="2017-07-27T10:24:50.603" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13123" PostId="4683" Score="1" Text="I would gladly edit the question for you if only it were clear to me what your question was. As it stands, what I guess it is asking for how do I choose a &quot;nice&quot; career path, which is unclear, too broad, primarily opinion based, and seeking advice on what to do. (That's 4 of our close reasons!)" CreationDate="2017-07-27T18:00:56.510" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13119" PostId="4684" Score="1" Text="I strongly doubt it. You're supposed to accept the answer that *you* found most useful. That's it. If you want to go with popular opinion you accept the answer with the most upvotes. If you can't choose you don't accept any. This seems more of a question for [chat] than meta." CreationDate="2017-07-27T14:59:38.810" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13120" PostId="4684" Score="1" Text="There's another meta question that isn't quite a duplicate, but you'd probably find quite useful: [Should I always accept an answer on The Workplace?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3761/should-i-always-accept-an-answer-on-the-workplace)" CreationDate="2017-07-27T15:46:31.463" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13122" PostId="4684" Score="0" Text="&quot;Is it acceptable to ask on meta if I'm unsure which answer I should accept on a question?&quot; - you can ask anything you want. But it's really your choice, so asking others is rather silly. It's not all that important which one you choose - just make a choice and pick the one you like the best." CreationDate="2017-07-27T17:08:20.550" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13125" PostId="4686" Score="0" Text="ooooo rules lawyering.  I've heard it put another way, but I doubt I could post what we call it" CreationDate="2017-07-27T18:02:22.327" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13126" PostId="4687" Score="5" Text="it has stuck in [meta-tag:hot-questions] for about 20 hours now, meaning it as usually attracted (and will keep attracting) garbage answers from [careless Stack Overflow passers by](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=6196138#6196138) willing to just have fun. If this bothers you much ask moderator or 15K user to [protect](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/52764/165773) it, this may help a little" CreationDate="2017-07-28T08:18:01.023" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13127" PostId="4687" Score="0" Text="@gnat Well I should indeed do that, but how do I contact a moderator or 15k user since there is no mail box or message box on Stack Exchange (at least none I'm aware of)? Should I just tag one in a comment of my question?" CreationDate="2017-07-28T08:28:10.510" UserId="68787" />
  <row Id="13128" PostId="4687" Score="0" Text="comments to the question looks like a reasonable way. Alternatively you can use [chat]. And in case if you can make a compelling explanation of your question abused by HNQ lemmings in 500 chars you can even flag for moderator, but that's harder (eg I clearly see 3 or 4 trash answers in your question but can't figure a text of flag message solid enough to justify such an explicit demand for mod help as flagging)" CreationDate="2017-07-28T08:32:24.263" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13129" PostId="4687" Score="1" Text="I've protected the question for you." CreationDate="2017-07-28T08:51:40.097" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="13130" PostId="4687" Score="0" Text="@JaneS thank you very much !" CreationDate="2017-07-28T08:54:40.697" UserId="68787" />
  <row Id="13131" PostId="4687" Score="0" Text="Besides being &quot;entertainment&quot; the HNQ is a bit of a mixed bag, it sometimes brings in new people to the site who make amazing contributions (and in particular, write good answers to the HNQ in question), and it also brings along hordes of passers-by who don't know the difference between SE and reddit or even 9gag. You should accept the thorns with the rose in such cases." CreationDate="2017-07-28T10:08:25.903" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13132" PostId="4687" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I guess so, still feels pretty annoying to argue more on wether you're lying on the situation or not rather than trying to find a potential solution though." CreationDate="2017-07-28T10:10:05.610" UserId="68787" />
  <row Id="13133" PostId="4687" Score="0" Text="If you see rubbish answers to a reasonable question, first check if your question was on HNQ. The age of the account posting rubbish is also useful info. I wouldn't worry about rubbish from a random passerby who may have created an account (or a so-called unregistered account) just to post a comment as answer and will probably never show up here again. Forget about it and focus on the good answers you have got. PS: I wish I had protected the question earlier. I am habituated to seeing HNQ being already protected (usually by @enderland ;)) before I even open it the first time." CreationDate="2017-07-28T10:11:51.717" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13134" PostId="4687" Score="0" Text="Honestly I thought your question was perfectly fine and you didn't do anything wrong in how you asked it, and alot of the flak you recieved in comments was uncalled for and says far more about the commenter than it doesn't about you IMO. As others have commented it was mainly a result of the lemmings that get attacted to HNQ so I wouldn't worry about it." CreationDate="2017-07-28T10:16:59.540" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="13135" PostId="4687" Score="0" Text="Thank you all for your advices and comprehension. @gnat, you should put what you told me (&quot;protect your question&quot;) in an answer so that I can confirm it." CreationDate="2017-07-28T11:46:40.817" UserId="68787" />
  <row Id="13136" PostId="4688" Score="1" Text="Probably worth you looking at the equivalent post on meta.se - I would post the link but am not on a useful device right now. This has been discussed to death" CreationDate="2017-07-28T13:21:29.980" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="13137" PostId="4688" Score="0" Text="@RoryAlsop I will try to find it as well.  Is this feature and the limit stack wide, or can it be set site by site." CreationDate="2017-07-28T13:22:42.060" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13138" PostId="4688" Score="3" Text="@RoryAlsop I found this one: [Why do protected questions only require 10 reputation to answer?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/100987/why-do-protected-questions-only-require-10-reputation-to-answer)" CreationDate="2017-07-28T13:34:41.053" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13142" PostId="4688" Score="1" Text="I'm closing this question as off-topic because it's not specific to the Workplace and should be raised on main [meta.se] instead." CreationDate="2017-07-28T15:13:08.680" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13143" PostId="4688" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Can you move it or do I re ask?" CreationDate="2017-07-28T15:14:26.127" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13144" PostId="4688" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive In either case I think it's likely to be marked as a duplicate of the one I linked." CreationDate="2017-07-28T15:31:15.937" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13145" PostId="4688" Score="0" Text="Yeah good point.  And I found the real benefit is to prevent anonymous postings" CreationDate="2017-07-28T15:32:25.483" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13146" PostId="4688" Score="1" Text="It's actually ok to ask here even if it could also be asked on MSE.  It sounds like you've found your answer (there) anyway, but just for future reference, you can ask questions here or there.  More people will see them there." CreationDate="2017-07-28T17:19:02.727" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13139" PostId="4689" Score="0" Text="Yes, but edit them to make them more dramatic.  Include bolding and see if there is a way to reactivate the old HTML tag of &lt;blink&gt;" CreationDate="2017-07-28T13:44:19.573" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13140" PostId="4689" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Might even add a dramatic piano background" CreationDate="2017-07-28T13:46:23.027" UserId="68787" />
  <row Id="13141" PostId="4689" Score="1" Text="You should probably distinguish between a bad title and a good title that captures the *topic* of the question but **just doesn't have a question mark** in it. While it's true that questions are typically clearer when there's a clear core question that can do double duty as the title, that's not always the case. The current basic (and unwritten?) guideline &quot;give your question a good / clear / concise title&quot; still seems sufficient to me." CreationDate="2017-07-28T15:11:31.470" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13151" PostId="4689" Score="1" Text="By &quot;automatically&quot; I assume you mean &quot;manually&quot;... If not, you may want to propose a detailed programmatic solution." CreationDate="2017-07-30T22:50:14.077" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13152" PostId="4689" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling I did mean manually, yet coding a script that could make clearer titles would be awesome (like parsing the question to check if there is a bold question and put it as a title maybe, but I guess that would make more trouble than help here)" CreationDate="2017-07-31T08:59:04.773" UserId="68787" />
  <row Id="13155" PostId="4689" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling I'd love to see the AlGorithm for that, or even the TipperGorithm" CreationDate="2017-07-31T17:57:20.387" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13156" PostId="4689" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Could be funny but we would have to define which questions should be modified and how to modify them to make them clearer automatically, maybe some machine learning but I don't have that much ideas right now" CreationDate="2017-07-31T18:00:56.657" UserId="68787" />
  <row Id="13157" PostId="4689" Score="0" Text="@sh5164 a friend of mine once filtered his website to automatically censor Pokémon names. so if you typed one in it would just censor it like this #####    He **REALLY** hated Pokémon" CreationDate="2017-07-31T18:07:31.797" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13167" PostId="4689" Score="0" Text="@RichardU That's nice but also easy to do because you have all the name of the pokemon, we don't have a finite list of bad titles though." CreationDate="2017-08-01T07:05:04.053" UserId="68787" />
  <row Id="13169" PostId="4689" Score="0" Text="@sh5164 we could flag for the phrases &quot;Should I&quot; and &quot;My boss won't&quot;, as well as a few others." CreationDate="2017-08-01T12:35:41.210" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13170" PostId="4689" Score="0" Text="@RichardU That's indeed a nice start !" CreationDate="2017-08-01T12:36:28.930" UserId="68787" />
  <row Id="13148" PostId="4694" Score="2" Text="Yeah, I think what @MaskedMan suggested is probably your best bet." CreationDate="2017-07-28T20:21:17.953" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13153" PostId="4697" Score="2" Text="I completely agree. YouTube embeds make sense for some communities, (Arqade, Movies &amp; TV, Music Practice &amp; Theory), but it wouldn't make much sense on the Workplace." CreationDate="2017-07-31T15:20:34.913" UserId="68427" />
  <row Id="13154" PostId="4697" Score="1" Text="Agreed, this is a terrible idea for the Workplace." CreationDate="2017-07-31T16:07:15.287" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13246" PostId="4697" Score="0" Text="May I suggest a slight rewording/reordering? &quot;Youtube embedding is not supported on The Workplace. *newline* Even if it were, it would be a bad idea.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-08-08T15:10:10.147" UserId="68427" />
  <row Id="13160" PostId="4698" Score="2" Text="I wonder what percentage of those ~1500 questions are actually __specific__ to the software industry :(" CreationDate="2017-07-31T19:35:27.750" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13161" PostId="4698" Score="0" Text="Where does that leave maintenance coders and systems programmers?" CreationDate="2017-07-31T19:58:32.647" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13164" PostId="4698" Score="3" Text="Why not just burniate the software-development tag?  Its not really appropriate here in the first place. (geniune question btw)" CreationDate="2017-07-31T22:02:16.567" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13168" PostId="4698" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Neither is covered by either tag at the moment. I think it might be worth revisiting the discussion on the merits (or otherwise) of that tag but this thread is mainly just to get rid of [tag:software-development]." CreationDate="2017-08-01T07:21:29.797" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13234" PostId="4698" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings If you mean burninate the one and keep the other, then, as a software developer, I can certainly see someone try to tag their software-industry-specific question with [tag:software-development] instead (but I don't think it would make a big difference whether we make them synonyms or retag all questions over to [tag:software-industry], apart from [tag:software-development] potentially popping up again once in a while). If you mean burn both, then [the post OP linked](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2828/software-industry-tag-discussion) is relevant." CreationDate="2017-08-05T21:56:45.810" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13239" PostId="4698" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling - If you burniate the tag you the tag can not be used in the future and anyone trying to use that tag gets notified of this so they can choose a better tag.  Also it is a meta tag as any questin that is actually about software development belongs on software engineering and not here as this is the workplace, not programmers." CreationDate="2017-08-07T14:24:05.127" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13240" PostId="4698" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings AFAIK: Burninated tags can be recreated by anyone with the &quot;create tags&quot; privilege. Blacklisted tags can't be recreated, but that's a manual process that needs to be done by SE employees (not just mods) and is usually reserved for tags that just won't die." CreationDate="2017-08-07T14:39:14.690" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13241" PostId="4698" Score="0" Text="When you burniate the tag it is also black listed as a tag not to be used again.... Its something mods can do, all we can do is remove the tag from the questions or retag them approirately.  Which is why i asked why we dont just burniate the tag instead of merging." CreationDate="2017-08-07T14:42:33.793" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13177" PostId="4699" Score="1" Text="No idea why it was considered off-topic. In general, I think folks tend to be too quick to vote to close questions. (FWIW, your question seems to be a duplicate of https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/25861/should-i-inform-my-potential-employer-about-a-bug-in-their-application ), don't you think?" CreationDate="2017-08-01T19:58:37.120" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13178" PostId="4699" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Did not know that question was there. But closed as dupe makes much more sense. Although the answers to that question differ from the ones to mine...." CreationDate="2017-08-01T19:59:33.257" UserId="63121" />
  <row Id="13179" PostId="4699" Score="1" Text="Voting to reopen" CreationDate="2017-08-01T20:17:34.440" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13180" PostId="4699" Score="0" Text="@RichardU thanks but it'll be closed as dupe since Joe pointed out an identical question." CreationDate="2017-08-01T20:18:47.990" UserId="63121" />
  <row Id="13182" PostId="4699" Score="2" Text="@MichaelC. but if it is, it will be closed for the right reason." CreationDate="2017-08-01T20:27:03.270" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13183" PostId="4699" Score="0" Text="@RichardU What if the other one is &quot;primarily opinion-based&quot;? Making both primarily opinion based. I ask because the answers to both are different." CreationDate="2017-08-01T20:28:18.377" UserId="63121" />
  <row Id="13184" PostId="4699" Score="3" Text="Pointing out other broken windows, is not a good strategy for preventing your broken window from being fixed.  That said I think your question is good on its merits, which is what you should have argued here." CreationDate="2017-08-01T20:45:37.607" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13193" PostId="4699" Score="0" Text="@MichaelC FWIW, that burnout question was already closed once, and then it got reopened. I personally don't agree that it should have been reopened, but my opinion is of miniscule importance if the community thinks otherwise. That aside, if the other question should also be closed, the community will do so. A lot of these close/reopen votes are subjective, due to the nature of the site. One question being closed and the other being open just means that the set of users who saw each question had different thresholds for &quot;opinion-based&quot;." CreationDate="2017-08-02T09:23:56.480" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13185" PostId="4701" Score="1" Text="I completely agree with you. But let's say the question I posted was closed as dupe (which it should be) before any answers were posted. Then I would have viewed only the answers on the other question and not this one. Which means I would have missed out on these points of views..." CreationDate="2017-08-01T20:51:40.313" UserId="63121" />
  <row Id="13187" PostId="4701" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately it happens, hopefully not often, but it does.  That's why these sites should only be a guide; sometimes the answer is obvious, other times there is a degree of flexibility. People answer from their experiences, which may or may not reflect your situation." CreationDate="2017-08-01T20:59:37.737" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="13188" PostId="4701" Score="0" Text="If that's the case, then should there even be a &quot;primarily opinion based&quot; flag? Every has different experiences and opinions, right?" CreationDate="2017-08-01T21:01:09.627" UserId="63121" />
  <row Id="13189" PostId="4701" Score="0" Text="When it crosses from experience to opinion, then there is a problem. Justifications become personal not professional, and can be a thousand different answers. Experience tends to fall into clear categories with specific reasons." CreationDate="2017-08-01T21:05:52.747" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="13186" PostId="4702" Score="0" Text="Thanks Joe. I just want to get an understanding of this site before I invest time in it. The SE sites I'm active in there's usually only one right answer." CreationDate="2017-08-01T20:56:00.357" UserId="63121" />
  <row Id="13190" PostId="4702" Score="2" Text="@MichaelC. - Yup. In many more technical sites, there is often one technical answer. But on a site that deals with more squishy topics like The Workplace, there are often many viable answers. While some of us may feel strongly about one answer in particular (sometimes indicated by upvotes), others feel equally strong about a competing answer. In human activities that is often the case. I hope you'll still find The Workplace useful." CreationDate="2017-08-01T21:16:36.187" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13192" PostId="4702" Score="0" Text="Small niggle: Workplace and SE as a whole is not a forum but a Q&amp;A site." CreationDate="2017-08-02T06:19:49.520" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13195" PostId="4704" Score="5" Text="For the record I tried to ask this question with the bias leaning toward opening up the topic, I am not actually sure if it is a good idea.  But I think there is value in having this discussion again with our current base." CreationDate="2017-08-02T20:40:14.200" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13197" PostId="4704" Score="0" Text="&quot;*there is a vocal component of our base users...*&quot; Really? I can't say I've really noticed that. Is that based on comments? Chat? People answering questions that are later closed as off-topic?" CreationDate="2017-08-03T07:25:11.753" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13201" PostId="4704" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - Mostly comments complaining about the questions being closed...  As I said I am not sure I am on board with this change and early voting seems to indicate that this policy is still a good one to keep around." CreationDate="2017-08-03T14:37:06.077" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13283" PostId="4704" Score="0" Text="+1 for a well-written and thought out question." CreationDate="2017-08-11T14:59:06.253" UserDisplayName="user8365" />
  <row Id="13295" PostId="4704" Score="0" Text="&quot;able to handle a hit from a few bad questions&quot; is a terrible argument for not closing bad questions." CreationDate="2017-08-12T16:21:38.987" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13307" PostId="4704" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling - I am not suggesting that a bad questions be acceptable.  Just that we lift the prohibition on asking for career advice.  But it seem the vast majority of the community thinks this is still a bad idea." CreationDate="2017-08-13T01:41:32.033" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13198" PostId="4706" Score="2" Text="Absolutely support this point - of all the individuals in my industry I know *none* who had the same career path as any other! Everyone is different, has different skills, experience, contacts, and even luck..." CreationDate="2017-08-03T09:32:45.423" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="13205" PostId="4708" Score="0" Text="so just to be clear, ANY gold badge would qualify someone for this? SO as an example: user A makes an account today and asks a question that goes viral and they are award the &quot;Great Question&quot; badge. Even though they have only been on the site for one day, they would be able to edit the duplicate?" CreationDate="2017-08-03T17:05:32.710" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="13207" PostId="4708" Score="1" Text="@SaggingRufus No, the [tag badge](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/badges?tab=tags&amp;filter=gold) is a distinct badge awarded for contributing on a specific tag. We have a total of 2 unique people who have one. It's similar to the [instant close privilege](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/230865/increase-close-vote-weight-for-gold-tag-badge-holders) these badge holders get on questions that were originally asked with that tag." CreationDate="2017-08-03T17:55:46.537" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13213" PostId="4708" Score="0" Text="Ok that makes more sense" CreationDate="2017-08-03T18:53:38.267" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="13217" PostId="4709" Score="3" Text="[Reproducible](http://i.imgur.com/HnzcwMC.png) on all browsers. FF 53.0, IE 11, Chrome 59.0" CreationDate="2017-08-04T12:49:50.633" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13220" PostId="4710" Score="0" Text="And now it's gone!" CreationDate="2017-08-04T14:51:17.373" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13218" PostId="4711" Score="1" Text="I agree with your assessment." CreationDate="2017-08-04T14:50:16.020" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13219" PostId="4711" Score="1" Text="Can you give an example of a question that is not a &quot;career&quot; choice but would still be off-topic?" CreationDate="2017-08-04T14:50:32.613" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13221" PostId="4711" Score="0" Text="@DavidK how about [this question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/10181/is-this-wrongful-firing-how-can-i-make-sure-that-i-get-my-unemployment-benefits), is closed as off topic and not about career choice..." CreationDate="2017-08-04T15:43:51.547" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13222" PostId="4711" Score="1" Text="@GrayCygnus I meant a question that would be considered off-topic for &quot;asking for advice on a specific choice&quot;, but that would not classify as a *career* choice. The question you linked seems completely unrelated to the close reason we're discussing." CreationDate="2017-08-04T15:47:05.163" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13223" PostId="4711" Score="0" Text="Hmm, I guess before we also sometimes used this close reason (CR) for questions that overlapped with the &quot;questions require a goal&quot; CR, as in &quot;*I'm in [difficult situation]. What do I do?*&quot;. But those are ultimately covered fully by the latter CR so that's not really an issue. I agree with @DavidK that some examples of questions that would have been affected would be good here." CreationDate="2017-08-04T16:09:39.090" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13224" PostId="4711" Score="3" Text="@DavidK - Should I fire someone, shoudl I quit, should I refuse to do something I was directed that I do not believe in...  Basically anything that starts with should I and has a limited choice set of options" CreationDate="2017-08-04T16:31:47.080" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13225" PostId="4711" Score="2" Text="@Lilienthal - I think those are the questions that actually were getting caught sometimes that maybe should not have been.  A lot of times there is an implied question of how can I resolve this situation with the least amount of pain...  But what are my options questions yes should be part of the suggested close reason." CreationDate="2017-08-04T16:36:00.573" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13226" PostId="4711" Score="0" Text="I also agree with your assessment." CreationDate="2017-08-04T17:58:43.787" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13229" PostId="4711" Score="0" Text="As a side suggestion, warning users in the help pages to refrain from using/asking &quot;Should I...?&quot; in their questions could prove helpful to prevent this questions from being asked" CreationDate="2017-08-04T18:37:24.467" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13230" PostId="4711" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Those do seem like questions that this CR should cover which would make including &quot;career&quot; needlessly restrictive. +1 from me." CreationDate="2017-08-04T20:15:43.933" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13254" PostId="4711" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - We seem to have agreement on this could we have the change made please?" CreationDate="2017-08-08T20:51:49.683" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13265" PostId="4711" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Done. See update. Change is now live." CreationDate="2017-08-09T19:50:07.967" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13231" PostId="4712" Score="0" Text="The page link is showing page not found." CreationDate="2017-08-05T02:31:05.657" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="13232" PostId="4712" Score="2" Text="I've cast the third undelete vote. You can edit the question into shape to try to get it reopened and its current negative score improved. Note that there's much less activity on meta and the main site over the weekend, but I think you already got a lot of input recommending you to shorten it and focus on a clear core question. The amount of details right now is excessive and you should be invisibly updating the question based on comment input rather than replying to comments: we want questions, not play-by-plays. :)" CreationDate="2017-08-05T13:28:52.237" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13233" PostId="4712" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal Thank you, I appreciate it.  Will give it a shot in the next day or so." CreationDate="2017-08-05T16:22:03.190" UserId="29136" />
  <row Id="13285" PostId="4712" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I have just edited the original question based on the feedback, hoping it can be re-opened. Thank you." CreationDate="2017-08-11T17:19:06.097" UserId="29136" />
  <row Id="13286" PostId="4712" Score="0" Text="@AO it's much improved now and I think it's answerable. I think it would help to avoid the third person and all the hypotheticals. A simple &quot;one of my reports isn't as productive as I'd like and he's not communicating well about his progress&quot; should be easier to comprehend and answer. You may also want to rephrase &quot;what other assumptions to test&quot; and you should perhaps make it clear that you're, as I presume, looking for ways to talk to this report about his behaviour and what kind of changes you need to see. Right now your final paragraphs still read too much like &quot;how do I manage someone?&quot;." CreationDate="2017-08-11T18:50:34.680" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13300" PostId="4712" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal edited further to add information for accurate description of the issue and removing third person. Let me know if this works." CreationDate="2017-08-12T18:56:41.980" UserId="29136" />
  <row Id="13235" PostId="4713" Score="0" Text="&quot;All of those currently have a score above 100.&quot; A question gaining bazillion upvotes doesn't make it a on-topic question. Most of those votes come from drive-by upvoters after the question makes it to the Sidebar Garbage, aka HNQ. Drive-by voting is heavily skewed in favour of upvotes, so once the question hits the Sidebar Garbage, vote count is reduced to a farce." CreationDate="2017-08-06T17:41:40.653" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13236" PostId="4713" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Sure, but it seems unlikely that a question that most top users agree is off topic would make it to HNQ in the first place, at least not on a site that doesn't have all that much traffic usually, like this one." CreationDate="2017-08-06T22:20:23.700" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13237" PostId="4713" Score="0" Text="While correct in theory, that is not how HNQ works in practice. Too often, the question hits HNQ before the top users have a chance to look at it. (This is most likely if it is posted at a time when US users are inactive.) Top users don't keep refreshing all day to see if a new question shows up that needs to be closed. On a side note, rather unfortunately, I have noticed that top users don't cast close votes, even though they argue in comments why the question is off-topic. Of course, this is not to criticize your answer, but just pointing out some issues we see regularly." CreationDate="2017-08-07T01:20:24.817" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13238" PostId="4713" Score="0" Text="I really wish we could eliminate the primarily opinion based close reason.  We have a topic that is going to rely on opinions for many answers.  In theory that is why we have a back it up policy, so that opinions are not enough for an answer, but that policy is not enforced at all.  This close reason is too often just I do not like your question and/or do not have an answer I can easily post for rep.  Basicaly if you can write a good answer that does not rely on opinion for a question the primarily opinion based close reason is not a good choice.  That is why we need these off topic." CreationDate="2017-08-07T14:19:52.950" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13247" PostId="4716" Score="0" Text="I'd also add a slight grammatical fix in the last sentence: &quot;try asking how to make the decision, or ***for*** more specific details&quot;" CreationDate="2017-08-08T17:22:38.063" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13253" PostId="4716" Score="1" Text="I am good with that change @DavidK assuming it does not run afoul of the character limit that SE has set." CreationDate="2017-08-08T20:50:23.377" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13248" PostId="4718" Score="0" Text="I remember once I saw a flag option that said &quot;too specific to be useful&quot;... now I don't see it anymore in the options...is it only me or it did existed?" CreationDate="2017-08-08T17:50:56.513" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13249" PostId="4718" Score="1" Text="@GrayCygnus Yes, [&quot;too localised&quot; used to be a thing](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/184154/closing-changes-on-hold-unclear-too-broad-opinion-based-off-topic-reasons)." CreationDate="2017-08-08T18:02:20.970" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13251" PostId="4718" Score="1" Text="[Related thread](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3472) I created a while back about setting up a &quot;reference question&quot; for a specific topic. [Main meta](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/63762/do-reference-questions-make-sense) on the &quot;reference question." CreationDate="2017-08-08T20:28:40.477" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13252" PostId="4718" Score="0" Text="Personally, I'm all for the idea. I run into a situation where a questions is poorly asked or worded and not getting any attention but is about an important or common topic a few times a year at least. What usually stops me is the idea that I should be editing the question into shape instead but that's often at odds with what the OP is trying to do. And posting a &quot;new and improved&quot; version with a self-answer right away feels so... mercenary." CreationDate="2017-08-08T20:30:12.107" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13255" PostId="4718" Score="0" Text="You could create your own &quot;general&quot; question, answer it, and then either link it to the OP's question *or* write an answer to the *OP's* question where you refer to your general answer, and then provide additional situation-specific advice later. That is something I have been wanting to experiment with myself for a while now, but have not got around to it yet due to other issues." CreationDate="2017-08-09T01:44:05.200" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13371" PostId="4718" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal you could also coordinate the effort with some regular users to provide a common written answer and make it a wiki. Or if they have different way of solving the problem having them prepare and then post their own answer as soon you posted the question." CreationDate="2017-08-18T07:20:52.960" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="13256" PostId="4721" Score="0" Text="I agree that this isn't a duplicate but do you think the question deserves being reopened? &quot;*This is a first for me so what steps should I be taking to ensure that if my subordinate is fired there are no repercussions?*&quot; is a question that is *very* difficult to answer even in a general fashion. The question is a giant wall of text and the only advice I think the OP needs is to ask HR and his own manager how to handle it. They're the ones telling him to proceed with care, they should be able to define what that means." CreationDate="2017-08-09T13:16:55.707" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13257" PostId="4721" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I agree the question could certainly be improved, but I think the situation is still on-topic. Part of the problem is that HR and the manager aren't being helpful, so he needs to know how to at least not make things worse with no direction. In [This Meta discussion](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4663) the consensus was that if a question is on-topic but a duplicate, it should be reopened and then closed again. If a question is off-topic but not a duplicate, would the same logic apply? (I'm undecided on that last point, as it is slightly different.)" CreationDate="2017-08-09T13:34:28.257" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13258" PostId="4721" Score="0" Text="Then the question should be &quot;How can I convince HR / my manager to take action?&quot; and that's not what it says right now. He's not asking &quot;how do I keep the team going after 2 years of this&quot;, he wants firing advice and that's both a legal and managerial minefield in OP's situation. As for your second question, IIRC the SOP according to main meta is to *not* reopen and reclose questions just because the close reason is incorrect but I believe that is mainly about using the wrong off-topic close reason. Duplicates are different." CreationDate="2017-08-09T14:16:39.340" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13259" PostId="4721" Score="1" Text="Outright bad questions that are incorrectly marked as dupes should probably be reclosed as off-topic as I think the auto-cleanup won't delete duplicate questions. If this hadn't been on 2 reopen votes already I'd have probably removed the duplicate and reclosed it myself." CreationDate="2017-08-09T14:18:06.523" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13260" PostId="4721" Score="0" Text="It shouldn't have been closed for that reason, but it was a bad question." CreationDate="2017-08-09T16:35:39.353" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13261" PostId="4721" Score="0" Text="I just edited the question to hopefully bring it more in focus and rephrased the final question to be more on-topic." CreationDate="2017-08-09T16:57:38.723" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13262" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="I apologize, I was editing the question at the same time as you and I used my edits. I think we were both trying to make similar changes though. I'm going to go back and see if there are any wording changes you made that I can incorporate back in." CreationDate="2017-08-09T17:12:18.577" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13263" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Don't worry about it. I realized what was going on as soon as I saw the differences." CreationDate="2017-08-09T17:19:41.633" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13264" PostId="4722" Score="1" Text="The main change I tried doing there was to improve the flow of thought because the OP kept hopping back and forth between me, my boss, my subordinate and HR, which made it harder (for me) to follow what he was trying to say. I just tried to &quot;group&quot; together each character's role/description. I also removed some of the judgemental language (such as &quot;subordinate is making excuses&quot; and &quot;I have done more in 2 years than he has done in 8 years&quot;)." CreationDate="2017-08-09T17:26:55.137" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13266" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="Though it needed some edit, I think removing the fact that the OP think that the subordinate is using is health condition as an excuse to working less that he could seems too much for me. Handle an honest people that have health problem vs someone that is not honest even if he has health problem may leed to two differents answers for me. Note that this can be still understood by reading between some lines but I really think this should be written and highlighted on the post. We're not in position to tell if the OP is right or wrong about that." CreationDate="2017-08-10T07:29:11.617" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="13267" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="There are those two sentences : *he spends most of the meeting making excuses about his health conditions and personal problems outside work.*, *I have to e-mail him, but he then ignores his e-mails* but I think it's not clear enough that for the OP, his subordinate is not honest/professional, whatever his health codition are." CreationDate="2017-08-10T07:30:19.790" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="13268" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat That is a good point, but I did not really think &quot;he is making excuses&quot; was necessary, since we don't know anything about the subordinate other than what the OP has told us. Every one of us falls sick once in a while, and we cannot fully focus on work at that time even if we try to. That does not mean we use that as an excuse to slack off. In the OP's case, the sickness is so severe that *HR has to get involved*, so to me it sounded like he wasn't deliberately slacking off, but his sickness wasn't letting him contribute, and the OP perceived this as an &quot;excuse&quot;." CreationDate="2017-08-10T07:37:05.907" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13269" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="Well I am for keeping the idea, not necessary the wording. And it seems that it has been ongoing for 8 years. Note that we can perfectly afford an answer considering that OP is not in position to judge and should do XY accordingly whereas another can go in the same way than the OP and so he should do Z." CreationDate="2017-08-10T08:08:48.023" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="13270" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat I don't feel particularly strongly about this issue, so I am ok with either approach. My main issue with the OP's original version was this: &quot;I send him emails, and do not receive a response, hence I have no idea what he is doing&quot; is factual, &quot;He is using his health condition as an excuse to ignore my emails&quot; is just opinion. I certainly see from the overall context how that can be inferred, but I did not want the question to sound like it has been conclusively proven. Of course, if we can cover that point in the answer, that's also fine by me." CreationDate="2017-08-10T08:18:36.240" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13271" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="Maybe, some time later in the day, I will take another stab at editing it taking that into account as well as the merge issue with David's edits." CreationDate="2017-08-10T08:20:14.113" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13272" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat For what it's worth, the current edit I made keeps the wording &quot;he spends most of the meeting making excuses about his health conditions&quot;" CreationDate="2017-08-10T12:12:01.707" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13273" PostId="4722" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I took another stab at trimming down the question, and have reintroduced the point about &quot;excuses&quot;." CreationDate="2017-08-10T17:03:50.237" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13275" PostId="4723" Score="3" Text="This topic has been discussed [over](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/135/encouraging-people-to-explain-downvotes) and [over](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6521/allow-users-to-leave-an-anonymous-comment-when-voting) and [over](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/31302/proposal-require-anonymous-comment-with-downvotes). The answer is always that while we can encourage users to leave a comment, we cannot force users to explain their vote." CreationDate="2017-08-10T19:46:43.637" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13276" PostId="4723" Score="4" Text="Not just &quot;no&quot; but hell no. It's -2 rep, no big deal. I don't have to explain why I vote in the regular world, I won't explain here either, unless I see fit. Think about this a moment. It's possible to have -10 on a question, but still get +4 reputation out of it (3 up, 13 down). That's how unimportant downvotes are. While it would be nice to know why you're downvoted, sometimes my reason is &quot;At no point did you approach a rational thought...everyone is now dumber for having read it&quot; because it's that stupid.  I'm not going to put that in a comment." CreationDate="2017-08-10T20:01:29.350" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13277" PostId="4723" Score="0" Text="related: [Force members to leave comments when they upvote](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/289607/839601) at MSO and [What to do with unexplained downvotes](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4640/168)" CreationDate="2017-08-10T22:02:33.873" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13279" PostId="4723" Score="3" Text="If you mouseover the downvote button, you will get a tooltip that says, &quot;This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful&quot;. If the user hasn't posted an explicit comment, you can assume that to be the reason." CreationDate="2017-08-11T03:58:51.077" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13281" PostId="4723" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I don't like to assume anything. I want explicit explanation in place of whatever I &quot;feel&quot; like they're trying to say. There is no way to understand what their intent was via vocal or body language cues." CreationDate="2017-08-11T13:57:58.483" UserId="59722" />
  <row Id="13282" PostId="4723" Score="0" Text="@SliderBlackrose Well, suit yourself." CreationDate="2017-08-11T13:59:19.413" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13280" PostId="4726" Score="1" Text="I've edited the question to clarify your main question. I agree that this is a distinct and more specific case. Both your current question and the general question (i.e. without the context of you having already applied) would be distinct enough to be worth covering in my view. I support the reopen. Ping me after it gets a few more reopen votes." CreationDate="2017-08-11T08:04:00.727" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13284" PostId="4727" Score="0" Text="thank you - at last a constructive response with no attitude. You are awesome. Your comment prompts me to think about the questions you raised, answers to some of which I had assumed but not verified as fact. Definitely useful for addressing the situation. Much appreciated." CreationDate="2017-08-11T16:45:31.397" UserId="29136" />
  <row Id="13316" PostId="4727" Score="1" Text="I know responses seem harsh (and they are) and I've been guilty of it. Thank you for being patient and willing to work through it. Too many posts give up without accepting criticism even when it is constructive." CreationDate="2017-08-15T02:30:31.180" UserDisplayName="user8365" />
  <row Id="13287" PostId="4729" Score="0" Text="Good catch. I just rolled back that edit." CreationDate="2017-08-11T18:50:57.317" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13288" PostId="4730" Score="0" Text="I don't know about taking it off, but you could just ignore it and move on.  PS: If it was locked for spam answers, that's not really a judgement of your question so much as a judgement of the community's response to it.  Downvotes are used to indicate when a question could be improved, it doesn't mean they hate your question or you for asking it. Ideally, downvoters should be leaving comments to explain what they think needs improvement.  If they didn't do that in your case, I apologize for the negative experience." CreationDate="2017-08-12T12:41:37.610" UserId="60078" />
  <row Id="13289" PostId="4730" Score="1" Text="There's a &quot;contact&quot; link in the footer. One of the options in the page is that you wish to delete your user here." CreationDate="2017-08-12T12:53:31.273" UserId="1513" />
  <row Id="13293" PostId="4730" Score="1" Text="@Steve-O Have you read [the answer in question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/96904)?" CreationDate="2017-08-12T14:54:36.773" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="13294" PostId="4730" Score="0" Text="You might want to take a look at [What are the best ways to keep controversial topics from getting heated](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4629/what-are-the-best-ways-to-keep-controversial-topics-from-getting-heated/4693#4693) - I think a different phrasing of your opinion might've made a big difference in how it was received." CreationDate="2017-08-12T15:35:38.477" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13299" PostId="4730" Score="1" Text="see [Remove account on a single Stack Exchange site](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/235301/165773)" CreationDate="2017-08-12T18:33:55.823" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13302" PostId="4730" Score="5" Text="The page wasn't locked, it was protected and it's bound to happen when a question gets a lot of answers. It wasn't directly because of what you wrote, i assure you.  It just means that a person needs a little more reputation to add an answer to that question.  I would encourage you to stick around and participate and your reputation will rise organically so protection wouldn't affect you anyway.  As for the downvotes, don't let it bother you. Literally every single person who participates here gets downvotes from time to time.  You can't make everyone happy,  Try not to take it personally." CreationDate="2017-08-12T21:37:49.863" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13291" PostId="4731" Score="1" Text="I have already cast a reopen vote. I find it extremely strange that the question &quot;requires a goal we can address&quot; when the goal has been clearly specified in bold." CreationDate="2017-08-12T14:21:48.633" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13292" PostId="4731" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan The close votes, I think, proved the very point they were denying." CreationDate="2017-08-12T14:30:43.170" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13296" PostId="4731" Score="0" Text="Down voter:  Care to explain?" CreationDate="2017-08-12T16:39:08.883" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13297" PostId="4731" Score="3" Text="Apparently, &quot;I don't want to talk about this issue&quot; = &quot;Question doesn't have a goal we can address&quot; ;-)" CreationDate="2017-08-12T16:42:48.497" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13298" PostId="4731" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I took great pains to make sure that the question would specifically be structured correctly and meet the criteria for a good question. i think your assessment was correct.  I'm not surprised at who did the VTC." CreationDate="2017-08-12T18:21:31.357" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13303" PostId="4731" Score="4" Text="There is no addressable goal because your situation is focused around your perception of bias against you as a white male, but nothing has actually happened to you to propose a response to. If you had been fired/made redundant and your only explanation was due to your gender/race, then the question would be answerable. But at the moment it's not, thus the close votes. I would move on." CreationDate="2017-08-12T22:40:30.290" UserDisplayName="user29055" />
  <row Id="13306" PostId="4731" Score="2" Text="FWIW, &quot;How can I avoid discrimination against me as a member of a non-protected class&quot; might be a less controversial title and more generally applicable." CreationDate="2017-08-13T01:36:37.387" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13309" PostId="4731" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling good idea" CreationDate="2017-08-13T11:11:32.063" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13312" PostId="4731" Score="4" Text="I cast a close vote because the question was a hypothetical with no country, business, or event specified. This was made known at the start of the question and no attempt was made by the asker to address this." CreationDate="2017-08-13T23:31:31.980" UserId="53202" />
  <row Id="13313" PostId="4731" Score="1" Text="In the days leading up to Richard asking this question, we had a number of questions (from one member) asking pretty much the same question - he had each of his attempts downvoted/VTC'd/Deleted.  Then Richard asked this question.  I imagine that any DV/VTC comes from people with &quot;majority discrimination&quot; fatigue." CreationDate="2017-08-14T10:25:27.163" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13314" PostId="4731" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling thank you for the suggestion." CreationDate="2017-08-14T13:28:21.443" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13305" PostId="4732" Score="0" Text="You can also disassociate an entire site from your account as well as deleting your entire account - it seems that OP is trying to do one of those things, not just disassociate a single post." CreationDate="2017-08-13T01:14:34.113" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13308" PostId="4732" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling except in extraordinary circumstances, you can't disconnect one of your accounts from the rest -- that requires direct database edits by employees.  You can *hide* an account -- not foolproof, but it deflects casual observers." CreationDate="2017-08-13T03:17:22.540" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13310" PostId="4733" Score="0" Text="It breaks down to this.  I don't want to be disadvantaged because of one status or protected because of others.  Or, in other words, I don't want to use the same tactics to protect myself that others would use to discriminate against me.  I don't see that as trivial" CreationDate="2017-08-13T12:28:22.010" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13311" PostId="4733" Score="2" Text="@RichardU If you believe people will discriminate based on one status, you can try to counter-balance that by using another status, or you can just accept they will do that and go above and beyond in your career - that may not be a trivial or &quot;fun&quot; choice, but I'm not sure its one we can really help you make. The most you can do is not willingly reveal your status (if you focused on how to do that specifically, I'd have been inclined to say the question is okay)." CreationDate="2017-08-13T16:48:01.810" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13315" PostId="4733" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your input.  It has been very useful." CreationDate="2017-08-14T13:29:02.630" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13372" PostId="4733" Score="0" Text="Frankly I think &quot;what does a good employee act like&quot; is a great topic that is needed.  I agree that is overly broad and it needs to be drilled down from there, but general discrimination is part of every workplace and does come in all forms from shoes and hair style to skin color and religion.  I think the original question is over broad as there would need to be specifics to the type of white discrimination.  As most discrimination questions they lack the specifics to what makes them &quot;feel&quot; discriminated on instead of just stating &quot;I am being discriminated against." CreationDate="2017-08-18T16:00:56.877" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="13373" PostId="4733" Score="0" Text="@mutt I mean &quot;be a good employee&quot; in the more general sense, not in a way that's specific to the situation, as in do your job well, play the politics game and improve yourself. Such a response wouldn't be specific to the asker's discrimination (or even specific to dealing with discrimination in general) - it's purely a way to increase your value. Any given disability (which is not really what that question is about) might have some specific &quot;how to cope with this in the workplace&quot; answers, but the actual discrimination does not (at least not that I can see)." CreationDate="2017-08-18T19:54:01.303" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13377" PostId="4733" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling I agree it needs some defining specific which gives it credence to an answer and not some generic mantra to work by.  I think this question has a basis, but doesn't have the specific defining part to promote a healthy answer..." CreationDate="2017-08-19T05:40:57.100" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="13318" PostId="4734" Score="4" Text="I agree, someone should roll this back and protect it." CreationDate="2017-08-15T10:43:24.673" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="13336" PostId="4734" Score="1" Text="[I'd still need some convincing to believe this question, in any form, is on  topic.](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4731/can-i-get-this-reopened-bias-in-the-workplace-against-white-males/4733#4733)" CreationDate="2017-08-15T22:06:49.973" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13341" PostId="4734" Score="1" Text="OP's saying he's white and male would have made sense ONLY if he was working in a place where majority is black and female, so it should be rolled back." CreationDate="2017-08-16T10:30:00.083" UserId="75587" />
  <row Id="13343" PostId="4734" Score="9" Text="@TolgaOzses Racial discrimination can happen anywhere, regardless of the dominant demographic. You don't have to be part of a minority to be discriminated against." CreationDate="2017-08-16T10:50:48.780" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="13401" PostId="4734" Score="1" Text="It's material to the question according to OP. And let me remind y'all that OP isn't exactly a fresher here, so I don't see why we can't take that assumption on good faith like other similar assumption about what matters." CreationDate="2017-08-24T08:55:08.267" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="13323" PostId="4735" Score="0" Text="I kept some of Midas's points." CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:02:47.327" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13354" PostId="4735" Score="0" Text="I actually think avoiding discrimination as a whole is a good topic.  Specifics would not be able to be mentioned, but avoiding things and picking up on general interactions that are discriminatory and prepping ones self to avoid such interactions I think is a standard part of the workplace regardless of the type of discrimination.  One may be discriminated against a hairstyle which is totally ridiculous, but I have seen it done and had it done to me as well.  Being able to adapt and cope with discrimination in a constructive way is very useful and pertinent to the workplace." CreationDate="2017-08-16T13:15:56.113" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="13355" PostId="4735" Score="0" Text="@mutt the main part here is that the specifics of the situation are something lots of people don't think it's even possible for you to be discriminated against. I think &quot;How to deal with being in a minority and being discriminated aganist&quot; and &quot;How to deal with being the majority and being discriminated against&quot; are two different questions, with different answers." CreationDate="2017-08-16T13:37:29.393" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="13356" PostId="4735" Score="0" Text="True, those are different and each important.  Each specific changes it though, but I'm still not sure it changes it significantly enough as all discrimination comes from the same place of personal prejudice at those different than themselves." CreationDate="2017-08-16T13:58:45.020" UserId="66646" />
  <row Id="13320" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="I didn't have any comments being removed for being rude and abusive. I'm sorry you are taking offence to my arguments around your question. For what it's worth, I think your latest edit is a massive improvement." CreationDate="2017-08-15T12:52:41.963" UserDisplayName="user29055" />
  <row Id="13321" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="I feel bad for answering this question after the previous edit (the one that I answered the question for) because I was under the impression that you had accepted that edit (or at least agreed with the edit).  I have since deleted my answer as it's no longer relevant.  I don't know how to answer the question regarding &quot;white discrimination&quot; - it's a punji trap of a question that I don't want to walk into." CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:00:30.593" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13322" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="@Midas you actually made some very good points.  It was coming across to me as if you were denying that these things even happened to me.  If that was not your intent, then I apologize." CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:01:42.833" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13325" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="@RichardU no, my fault - that was not my intention, as of course it's your lived experience. In my opinion it was drawing broad conclusions about white male discrimination which was a bit of a leap - but I didn't communicate that well enough, so I'm sorry for not being more empathetic and/or being too blunt. A learning experience for me. I do think now with the edits it's a more relevant question and I'm glad that there is a bounty on it and I look forward to seeing more answers. Glad we got to this point!" CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:13:14.673" UserDisplayName="user29055" />
  <row Id="13326" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="@Midas Me too.  I'm hardly one to criticize anyone for being too blunt, and the 'net lends itself to tone and understanding issues.  On chat, I mentioned one time when an email I sent a coworker was misinterpreted as a threat to go to his boss when all I meant was to ask him if he would know something or if his boss would know better.  No hard feelings, and again, your edit did make me realize how **I** was coming across.  It helped quite a bit." CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:23:33.097" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13328" PostId="4737" Score="3" Text="As an aside `I didn't have any comments being removed for being rude and abusive` is really not how we want to determine whether something is rude or not." CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:37:45.147" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13330" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="I edited my post to remove references to comments." CreationDate="2017-08-15T13:44:42.900" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15012" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="This argument doesn't make sense, largely I think because you don't understand the meaning of &quot;privileged&quot;. How exactly would people understanding white male privilege lead to discrimination? Perhaps you mean you are worried about racism and misandry?" CreationDate="2018-03-27T13:55:32.243" UserId="26334" />
  <row Id="20803" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="Race and color are protected classes, no matter whether you are white, black, or green. It is illegal to fire you based in the color of your skin. No need to invoke your disabilities. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/2000e-2" CreationDate="2019-12-03T14:04:36.423" UserId="88951" />
  <row Id="20805" PostId="4737" Score="0" Text="@GeorgPatscheider yeah, except when it's ruled that it's not...  This is Canada, but still https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/07/canadian-judge-punching-a-caucasian-and-yelling-i-hate-white-people-isnt-a-hate-crime/" CreationDate="2019-12-03T17:21:19.457" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13337" PostId="4738" Score="2" Text="You can tag me in this, I won't be offended! I understand the issue you're highlighting and will avoid doing that again. Cheers." CreationDate="2017-08-16T08:25:21.003" UserDisplayName="user29055" />
  <row Id="13346" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="Are you referring to answers posted before a question is marked as a duplicate, or answers created on marked duplicates?" CreationDate="2017-08-16T12:17:01.093" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13347" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="I am asking if people should be answering (before it is marked) when the question is clearly a duplicate EI, someone has already flagged it and answerer doesn't bother to look at the linked comment." CreationDate="2017-08-16T12:18:22.063" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="13348" PostId="4740" Score="1" Text="It's only clearly a duplicate in your opinion.  It might well be correct, but the OP has a chance before the closing vote to clarify why their question isn't a duplicate of another.  We have peer voting so that we don't act on one person's unilateral view." CreationDate="2017-08-16T12:20:23.713" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13349" PostId="4740" Score="1" Text="[How should duplicate questions be handled?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/10841/how-should-duplicate-questions-be-handled) says &quot;yes&quot; (assuming the answerer both knows and agrees that it's a duplicate), although it doesn't go into much detail as to why not." CreationDate="2017-08-16T12:22:54.767" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13378" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus - &quot;clearly a duplicate&quot; is always in the eye of the beholder, and always subject to reconsideration and reopening. If enough folks decide quickly enough and vote accordingly, then the question will get closed before anyone can answer." CreationDate="2017-08-19T17:06:33.393" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13403" PostId="4740" Score="0" Text="I am so tempted to ask this question myself (to make a duplicate), but I will not troll SE.  :D" CreationDate="2017-08-24T17:52:46.133" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13350" PostId="4741" Score="0" Text="There are some subtle differences which one can argue makes 2 questions different in 99% of cases on this site - we're going to have a hard time ever closing anything as a duplicate if questions need to be identical as opposed to &quot;close enough&quot;. In an ideal world, the suggested duplicate would've been a more general question or the answers would've been more general. [Should we focus more on making reference-worthy answers (for duplicate questions)?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4718/should-we-focus-more-on-making-reference-worthy-answers-for-duplicate-questions)" CreationDate="2017-08-16T12:38:10.007" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13351" PostId="4741" Score="1" Text="Which is exactly why I think it's a difficult area to have a blanket rule on - I'm not suggesting questions need to be *identical* before being considered dupe. My personal rule of thumb is to ask myself whether I would have given the same answer to both questions, if yes then I'd flag it as duplicate. Even if everyone else operated the same way though they might not have given the different answers I would have so could mark it as duplicate where I wouldn't." CreationDate="2017-08-16T12:44:13.313" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="13402" PostId="4741" Score="0" Text="The rule is do you think its a duplicate.  If you do then do not answer it.  If you dont then answering is fine.  I dont see how that is that difficult to have as a blanket rule." CreationDate="2017-08-24T15:57:39.860" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13358" PostId="4744" Score="0" Text="Is it just that you personally don't want to work with them or are you trying to get them removed as consultants? Can they continue being consultants without you directly working with them?" CreationDate="2017-08-17T06:55:55.860" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13359" PostId="4744" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling: Well personally I want neither to work with them nor that they stay as consultants. But from a professional point of view, I simply don't know what I should want to. And thats why I made that post. I need advise what would professionally reasonable without gooing too far due to the bias I have to them. To the latter, no they can't make the job without getting in contact with me." CreationDate="2017-08-17T07:02:17.287" UserId="26185" />
  <row Id="13360" PostId="4744" Score="0" Text="The general phrasing of &quot;should I do option A, B or C&quot; as well as &quot;what should I do?&quot; tends to draw undeserved close votes, and &quot;should I try to remain professional&quot; is not really an appropriate question. I took a stab at editing it (also reducing the post down to its core) - feel free to update or revert it if you feel this deviates from your original intention. But **you still need a goal** - edit your question and state whether (1) you want to get them removed, (2) you want to avoid working with them (if possible), or (3) you want to bring this to light just to protect yourself." CreationDate="2017-08-17T07:49:26.657" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13361" PostId="4744" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling: Thanks for the edit at first. its well broken down and just contained some misunderstandings, which I think after I edited your changes will be even more clear now. For my goals, my goal is it to simply inform my superiors about what I found out and the fact that there are bias that might cause trouble. But I want to do this without appearing unprofessional or making the impression influencing the managements decision to my favor. Since neither of the 2 is what I'm aiming for. I just know her and know that she probably won't stay professional. If I'm wrong, all is fine for me." CreationDate="2017-08-17T08:06:01.157" UserId="26185" />
  <row Id="13362" PostId="4744" Score="1" Text="I added those details to your post as well. It seems fine now from my point of view and I voted to reopen, we'll see if others agree." CreationDate="2017-08-17T08:19:11.797" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13364" PostId="4745" Score="2" Text="I agree, the usual advice doesn't apply, as it is &quot;go find more work&quot; or &quot;talk to your boss&quot;, et cetera.  This one is more &quot;what do I do when I've exhausted all of these options." CreationDate="2017-08-17T12:07:36.963" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13374" PostId="4748" Score="0" Text="Thank you, really thorough answer. Will have that last part in mind for future Edit Reviews. I though it was more severe, as it felt to me like farming but you cleared that out. Possibly the OP was really engaged in his post and swiftly approved those edits, faster than me realizing the missing detail." CreationDate="2017-08-18T20:33:05.057" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13375" PostId="4748" Score="0" Text="@GrayCygnus Afraid I've made it even longer with an edit. :) Note that if you had the edit privilege, your answer to the question would have ended your edits grace period. Though of course you just wouldn't have noticed that as you'd no longer get rep for them." CreationDate="2017-08-18T21:13:18.587" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13376" PostId="4748" Score="0" Text="Ok, checking the update. Yes that is true, I still don't have those edit privileges (600 rep to get it), therefore I still get that rep. Good observation, was also part of a doubt I had in mind..." CreationDate="2017-08-18T21:17:42.963" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13379" PostId="4749" Score="0" Text="[dupehammer stats at Stack Overflow](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/346592/839601) (when most prolific answerers dupe-close questions in &quot;their&quot; tags) suggest that there is a limit to this gamification, _&quot;In the past 90 days, 28579 questions were closed as duplicates by gold tag-badge holders...&quot;_ I can't tell what works there, maybe they get tired of answering the same question after 10... 20... 100 etc times over and over again" CreationDate="2017-08-19T20:08:37.700" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13380" PostId="4749" Score="0" Text="@gnat - I don't know what any of that means, nor what it has to do with gamification. I suppose if you have enough hyper-vigilant gold tag-badge holders who swiftly mark a question as a duplicate, it might prevent others from answering. Maybe it's an effect that occurs only at scale. But as far as I can tell the gamification incentives still hold. I guess I'd advise: if you get tired of answering the same question repeatedly - *just stop answering*." CreationDate="2017-08-19T20:56:28.237" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13381" PostId="4749" Score="0" Text="Joe, [gold tag badge](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/63836/165773) is awarded for minimum 200 answers in a tag (with average score +5). If holders of this badge are hyper-vigilant in something it is answering, not closing. And their vigilance is rewarded by rep as you can see from badge requirements. And, you see, stats demonstrate that these folks dupe close despite their vigilance to answer and despite rep rewards (and no, if they wanted to gamify for rep they would answer and keep questions open because this increases chances to get more rep)" CreationDate="2017-08-19T21:07:04.647" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13382" PostId="4749" Score="0" Text="...maybe there is some sort of [intrinsic motivation](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/42481/165773) at work there: when they know that question has been already thoroughly answered elsewhere the fast and sure way to help asker is to redirect them to duplicate (yes this doesn't bring rep but this helps people)" CreationDate="2017-08-19T21:15:31.507" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13383" PostId="4749" Score="1" Text="@gnat - Ah, I see what you mean now. I was thinking more that the gamification rewards the non-gold-tag-badge folks for answering quickly, and in particular first. But I think this tag permits holders to close questions (for any reason) with just their single vote, right?" CreationDate="2017-08-19T21:56:00.247" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13384" PostId="4749" Score="0" Text="no, gold badge holders have this &quot;magic hammer&quot; vote only for duplicates. For other close reasons their votes aren't anything special, just one of five" CreationDate="2017-08-20T06:25:57.647" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13385" PostId="4749" Score="0" Text="...and even for duplicates they have this magic only in &quot;their&quot; tags (where they are proven experts). For duplicates in other tags their votes count as just one of five" CreationDate="2017-08-20T06:37:00.990" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13386" PostId="4749" Score="0" Text="@gnat - I see. So if you hold this golden hammer over a question within your tag domain and think it is a duplicate - don't answer. Instead, just close it. For everyone else (no gold badge holders in this domain), gamification applies." CreationDate="2017-08-20T09:57:23.703" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13387" PostId="4749" Score="1" Text="I am not sure that it's OK to interpret it this way. If you think of it, gold tag badges are awarded to users who are most enthusiastic about gamification (ie about answering and gaining rep). Seeing stats showing how _these_ folks so clearly prefer dupe closing over answering makes one wonder how it feels like for those who are even less focused on gamification" CreationDate="2017-08-21T06:08:51.700" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13404" PostId="4749" Score="1" Text="@gnat actually those focused on gamification are more likely to know about already asked and answered questions, and probably already have a high rep answer.  So pointing them to that question is likely to gain more rep for them.  I suspect if you did some close as dupe votes on the high rep users on TWP there would be a higher percentage of votes to questions where they have highly voted answers than other questions." CreationDate="2017-08-24T18:28:44.823" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13405" PostId="4749" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings yeah I was also pondering about this but it seems unlikely. I sometimes dupe-vote like that to questions having my answers on top and rep gain isn't even close to that of answering. For dupehammers it should be even worse because when I vote it hangs for a while and other readers check my comment and link and some of them may vote. But when there is hammer vote it closes immediately so that only asker is interested in visiting and many askers don't even have enough rep for upvote" CreationDate="2017-08-24T21:13:00.623" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13397" PostId="4751" Score="1" Text="I had the same question a few months ago, I found the answer by searching on meta.SE. In general, for questions that are not Workplace.SE specific, you would usually find answers sooner on meta.SE. There is nothing &quot;wrong&quot; with asking here though." CreationDate="2017-08-21T16:47:29.990" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13399" PostId="4751" Score="0" Text="I tend to forget that meta.SE exists, ill try to remember to look there in the future" CreationDate="2017-08-21T17:28:11.350" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="13392" PostId="4752" Score="2" Text="More info [here](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/287763/why-does-this-question-show-as-marked-as-duplicate-by-community)" CreationDate="2017-08-21T16:25:55.877" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13393" PostId="4752" Score="2" Text="And the Meta SE [post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/250922/can-we-clarify-to-the-op-that-their-question-is-not-yet-closed-and-the-duplicate/250930#250930) for it also" CreationDate="2017-08-21T16:26:22.497" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13394" PostId="4752" Score="0" Text="Perfect! that makes sense, thanks." CreationDate="2017-08-21T16:26:47.713" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="13395" PostId="4752" Score="0" Text="In the most recent one you probably [saw](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/97533/i-procrastinated-on-a-project-for-too-long-what-should-i-do) I was the one flagging (less than 3k still) and the OP most probably accepted as he indicated" CreationDate="2017-08-21T16:27:37.333" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13396" PostId="4752" Score="1" Text="Yeah. It's made worse because the &quot;possible duplicate&quot; comment is auto deleted once it is confirmed as a duplicate, too,." CreationDate="2017-08-21T16:28:24.613" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13398" PostId="4752" Score="0" Text="the most fascinating thing is, asker with [just 15 rep](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/285766/165773) can do all this magic of Community dupe-close singlehandedly, just flag their own question as duplicate, reload the question page in browser and accept &quot;this solved my problem&quot;. This apparently comes from Stack Overflow where they desperately try anything to tame the problem of too many duplicates flooding it" CreationDate="2017-08-21T17:26:37.797" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13400" PostId="4752" Score="0" Text="&quot;I've never seen this chain though with a non-3k user&quot; - [this answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/250922/can-we-clarify-to-the-op-that-their-question-is-not-yet-closed-and-the-duplicate/250930#250930) shows an example of this." CreationDate="2017-08-22T06:33:06.367" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13486" PostId="4752" Score="0" Text="Are you sure this is specific to lower-rep users flagging as possible duplicates? I thought the asker had the possibility of accepting a duplicate any time somebody flagged or voted. Or do you just mean that this is the only way that &quot;community&quot; can be the _only_ &quot;close-voter&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-09-01T19:10:43.477" UserId="15946" />
  <row Id="13455" PostId="4755" Score="0" Text="I see that the problem you mentioned still persists, any updates regarding this question?" CreationDate="2017-08-30T23:33:52.130" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13460" PostId="4755" Score="0" Text="@GrayCygnus Not yet. I was going to give it a week then flag the question for moderator attention." CreationDate="2017-08-31T11:48:04.093" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13406" PostId="4757" Score="0" Text="Thanks. My recollection is that the OP provided more information that was of relevance, but I'm obviously going off of memory since I can't see what was said anymore, and I'll take your word that it wasn't important. It was still surprising to see such a substantial discussion completely deleted without any indication whatsoever." CreationDate="2017-08-25T20:50:41.243" UserId="47032" />
  <row Id="13407" PostId="4757" Score="0" Text="@ZachLipton Comments aren't intended for discussion and *are* intended to be ephemeral. If a discussion did start and there is something of value in it we often move it to chat, though we can only do that once. But mindless speculation and guessing games at the motivations of the people involved in the question are often pointless and unceremoniously deleted." CreationDate="2017-08-26T13:04:29.033" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13408" PostId="4758" Score="4" Text="I would add in an &quot;intentionally&quot; there. :) We are only human and it sometimes happens that a comment from the OP that wasn't (yet) included in the main question is caught in a mass-deletion. But that's fairly rare and it's certainly not what happened here." CreationDate="2017-08-26T13:07:03.110" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13425" PostId="4759" Score="0" Text="Agreed, vote cast to re-open." CreationDate="2017-08-28T14:11:46.497" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13410" PostId="4760" Score="1" Text="Just curious - what do you think is &quot;the intent of this site&quot;? (I understand you didn't like my answer to https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/97904/salary-got-delayed-in-the-new-job , but I don't understand what is &quot;skewed&quot; here. Others are always free to weigh in with a different answer.)" CreationDate="2017-08-27T21:43:53.667" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13412" PostId="4760" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere since we are on it, its very clear that being one of the top rated member people would read your answer first, and as we discussed I don't feel your answers are un biased." CreationDate="2017-08-27T21:49:38.610" UserId="75144" />
  <row Id="13413" PostId="4760" Score="4" Text="No worries. Since it bothered you so much, I deleted my answer. I was trying to give you an honest answer, but apparently you are looking for something else. Good luck. I still have no idea what you perceive regarding &quot;the intent of the site&quot; but I suspect we disagree on that." CreationDate="2017-08-27T21:51:01.230" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13414" PostId="4760" Score="1" Text="Not everyone is employer-biased: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/7318/437" CreationDate="2017-08-28T00:11:15.053" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="13415" PostId="4760" Score="7" Text="I don't really understand what your objection is here, specific examples would help a lot." CreationDate="2017-08-28T01:56:48.810" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13416" PostId="4760" Score="4" Text="Since it has been requested not only once, could you explain what do you think about &quot;*the intent of this site*&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-08-28T05:27:16.453" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="13417" PostId="4760" Score="0" Text="@enderland I could have given concrete example but someone just deleted his answer, what to expect?" CreationDate="2017-08-28T07:23:27.907" UserId="75144" />
  <row Id="13418" PostId="4760" Score="5" Text="There are members, such as @JoeStrazzere ( and others ) who have helped many people over a long period of time and have *earned* their stripes.  The **beauty** of this site is one member cannot kill a question.  The community votes on questions, answers , and allows members to FLAG comments they feel are inappropriate.  One of the hardest ( at least for me ) lessons to learn about this site is that not everyone agrees with my view of things.  And you know what, its actually ok.  The community as a whole decides ( along with your own personal view ) what is and isn't good content." CreationDate="2017-08-28T11:55:20.547" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13419" PostId="4760" Score="3" Text="I assure you that the vast majority of folks with decent rep are here to help, and are not skewed toward the employer or the employee." CreationDate="2017-08-28T11:59:22.930" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13420" PostId="4760" Score="1" Text="@johndoe - as I indicated, I deleted my answer since it apparently wasn't what you were looking for and seemed to upset you somehow. As far as I can tell, it fit in perfectly well with *the intent of this site*. The hope was that someone else could figure out what you wanted and provide such an answer. Since then you have removed everything but one sentence of your question, significantly changing the meaning and it has been put on hold as being &quot;off topic&quot;. Good luck." CreationDate="2017-08-28T12:05:51.637" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13421" PostId="4760" Score="7" Text="@johndoe If you've discovered an actual pattern of &quot;employer bias&quot; then surely you could point to *several* examples? Because the [now-deleted answer that Joe posted](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/97926/25739) certainly doesn't qualify as an example of bias. Frankly, I get the impression that you're here simply to harangue Joe because you disagree with his answer. I think you have some fundamental misconceptions on the employer-employee dynamic and rather than consider that you might be wrong you seem to prefer calling the people who take the time to explain corporate shills." CreationDate="2017-08-28T12:15:39.967" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13434" PostId="4760" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal why I would make a sole motive to do so? do you really want me to spend time and make several references then I will do it for sure and let me remind you no person here I given them so much value to take personal grudges with him. I am not surprised by the wording used here many of the community members it was expected and gives me feeling that I am thinking in the right sense. Do you know he edited answer before deleting the post?" CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:19:27.533" UserId="75144" />
  <row Id="13438" PostId="4760" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive I also think same and that's why I am here." CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:30:31.997" UserId="75144" />
  <row Id="13440" PostId="4760" Score="2" Text="@johndoe Well, I don't really &quot;want&quot; you to spend time on that. You're the one raising the issue which means that the burden of proof is on you so if *you* want to discuss this you'll *have* to come up with some examples. Simply put, I think you're confusing &quot;employer bias&quot; with &quot;being professional&quot;. In an employer-employee relationship both sides have rights and obligations. The two examples you've given so far are clear cases where the OP hasn't realized that what he's asking is across that boundary. Work time is not study time. An employer is not responsible for your personal finances." CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:40:34.497" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13444" PostId="4760" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal so you are saying that employer is not responsible for paying salary on time?" CreationDate="2017-08-28T19:01:25.153" UserId="75144" />
  <row Id="13445" PostId="4760" Score="3" Text="@johndoe Well, that's what you perceive to be the problem here, but I think virtually everyone else disagrees that that's the real issue in your situation.It seems like you failed to plan adequately for a job switch, assumed that you'd be paid on Date X without checking with your new employer and now blame them instead of your own inability to carry expenses for more than a month or plan adequately. The crux of Joe's answer was that this is outside the employer's responsibility but that you *could* ask them for some kind of arrangement although that's a bad idea for a few reasons." CreationDate="2017-08-28T19:12:04.707" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13422" PostId="4761" Score="3" Text="This is a solid truthful and useful answer, I would not waste anymore energy on this if I were you sir." CreationDate="2017-08-28T12:26:02.923" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13423" PostId="4761" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive - Thanks. I don't view it as a waste if it helps the OP's understanding, and perhaps attracts an answer to the original question that is useful to someone." CreationDate="2017-08-28T12:28:46.523" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13432" PostId="4761" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive for your and other's kind information the word &quot;Unfortunately, &quot; was added just before deleting the answer. The real sentence was &quot;you are responsible for your own accommodations and expenses.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:15:32.893" UserId="75144" />
  <row Id="13433" PostId="4761" Score="2" Text="@johndoe Not sure why that matters.  The end result is the same, you are responsible for your own accommodations and expenses." CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:17:50.217" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13435" PostId="4761" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive not if the employer delays the salary." CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:19:56.690" UserId="75144" />
  <row Id="13436" PostId="4761" Score="1" Text="It doesn't appear that the employer did that. And, for example, if I don't pay my electric bill, and they shut off my electricity, the electric company doesn't care.  I am responsible for my accommodations and expenses **ultimately**." CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:22:52.403" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13437" PostId="4761" Score="1" Text="@johndoe - I did indeed add the word &quot;unfortunately&quot; during my last edit of the answer. In the interest of full disclosure I also added &quot;It seems as if the crux of your troubles revolves around when payroll is credited each month. You were expecting the end of the month, but in reality they credit accounts on the 20th of each month.&quot; and &quot;I doubt that the company was hiding anything here.&quot; I don't see what that has to do with anything, but hopefully this helps. I deleted the answer when it became clear that you were looking for something else. Good luck." CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:27:08.513" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13439" PostId="4761" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive either I am failing to explain my situation or you don't want to understand. The mistake of employer was to let me know the rules and regulations of the salary like other things after joining, if others get their salary by 20th and today is what? and I still don't have salary in my account then its my mistake? its my first month after joining and I am managing my expenses since one month and never uttered a word." CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:34:51.820" UserId="75144" />
  <row Id="13446" PostId="4761" Score="1" Text="@johndoe &quot;either I am failing to explain my situation or...&quot; Yes, that one. You are really being very unclear about your situation. It sounds like you expected a deposit in your account but didn't get it because you didn't provide them your account info in time. It's *extremely* common for the first paycheck to be a physical check and not direct deposit. Have you received a check in the mail? Do you need to stop by payroll to pick it up? They can't just not pay you because they don't have your bank info - you have a check waiting for you somewhere." CreationDate="2017-08-28T19:57:02.150" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13448" PostId="4761" Score="0" Text="@johndoe I think your *situation* is clear, but your *goal* is not clear. This was also one of the close reasons on your question, I hope you read the explanation there. So, you couldn't open your bank account in time to give the account number to your employer. As a result, you haven't received your salary, so you cannot go searching for a more permanent accomodation. You are spending a lot of money on your temporary accomodation. Now, what exactly do you want us to help you with?" CreationDate="2017-08-29T01:09:46.443" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13450" PostId="4761" Score="0" Text="@DavidK It's actually exceptionally rare in the UK, especially for more &quot;professional&quot; jobs." CreationDate="2017-08-29T08:00:38.677" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="13451" PostId="4761" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu Just trying to understand - you're saying it's rare to not have the first paycheck on direct deposit? How do employer's handle a situation like this, where the employee didn't provide account info soon enough for the first paycheck?" CreationDate="2017-08-29T11:57:07.773" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13453" PostId="4761" Score="0" Text="@DavidK yep - I appreciate it's not the *biggest* sample in a statistical sense but other than casual &quot;cash-in-hand&quot; stuff I've only been paid outside of direct deposit *once* in my entire career and that was when the payroll person screwed up and the directors had to go get cash for everyone! In situations like this the employer usually does exactly what the OP's employer has done and rolled it into the next payment run. In the event of financial hardship they *might* give an advance but that's entirely at their discretion." CreationDate="2017-08-29T13:17:02.663" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="13457" PostId="4761" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu Honestly, the OP 's main issue here is not the delayed payment, but his attitude in dealing with unforeseen problems. If he had focussed on how to get his salary, rather than how to blame the employer, he might have been more open to try the suggestion of politely requesting for a salary advance. This is going to be problematic for him going forward because when you move your base to a foreign country, you have to be as broad-minded as possible, *especially* when you are going to a different culture, as in this case (OP is from India, now moved to UK)." CreationDate="2017-08-31T06:19:13.637" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13462" PostId="4761" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan couldn't agree more.. just got myself a little sidetracked there!" CreationDate="2017-08-31T13:18:59.207" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="13464" PostId="4761" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu Oh, I wasn't complaining or anything. Uhm, actually I don't even know why I am participating in this discussion. " CreationDate="2017-08-31T13:33:59.330" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13426" PostId="4762" Score="1" Text="In some cases it might be, in others its not.  This question is more business than navigating the workplace, and if it wasn't opinion based it would be company dependent." CreationDate="2017-08-28T15:35:30.507" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13431" PostId="4763" Score="2" Text="I think disputed flags are only a result of the review queue. [This Meta answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/141400/260884) helped me understand the difference between disputed and declined." CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:12:00.593" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13442" PostId="4765" Score="1" Text="In addition, I believe &quot;disputed&quot; always means that it was handled by some system process.  Mods can mark flags helpful or decline them; we don't have a &quot;dispute&quot; button.  Most disputed flags that I've seen are due to mixed reviews.  I *think* a VLQ flag is also disputed if there's an edit, because VLQ means &quot;can't fix&quot; and an edit means someone thought it could be fixed.  (This is a reason not to make trivial edits on posts that will still be bad afterwards; correcting the punctuation in an incoherent rant doesn't actually help anybody.)" CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:47:38.703" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13443" PostId="4765" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Indeed, disputed flags are always automatic. I'll add some links to the meta." CreationDate="2017-08-28T18:55:37.967" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13447" PostId="4765" Score="1" Text="some recent LQ reviews make me feel like I'm at Stack Overflow, any garbage &quot;Looks OK&quot; as long as it appears to say something about the question ([1](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/60183 &quot;example&quot;), [2](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/61807 &quot;example&quot;), [3](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/61796 &quot;example&quot;), [4](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/low-quality-posts/61423 &quot;example&quot;))" CreationDate="2017-08-28T19:57:45.590" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13452" PostId="4766" Score="4" Text="Short answer to the migration question would be no, given that [migrating to beta sites is discouraged](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/169983/are-there-precedents-to-migrate-a-post-to-a-beta-site). See also [this thread](https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5779/can-we-please-add-http-sqa-stackexchange-com-as-a-migration-target/5780#5780)." CreationDate="2017-08-29T13:02:04.240" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13557" PostId="4766" Score="1" Text="We should probably follow the same guidelines we use for legal questions - **would HR professionals be expected to know the answer?** I honestly have no idea whether they, in general, would. As a tangential note, I hate scope overlap (and I wouldn't be surprised if these questions are *also* on topic on Travel)." CreationDate="2017-09-07T14:11:21.297" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13454" PostId="4767" Score="0" Text="I cast the 5th and final" CreationDate="2017-08-29T16:54:02.503" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13456" PostId="4768" Score="6" Text="I am afraid it is probably best you just ignore that number. See here for more details: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/238699/202356" CreationDate="2017-08-31T03:14:53.897" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13458" PostId="4768" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Yeah that meta is arguably the most official word on it but in my experience the number is *always* off. Reviews that need additional input, that you've skipped or that you just don't see in the queue for some reason will virtually always cause that number to remain greater than zero. About the only time it will go to 0 is when there are a few other people going through the queues at the same time." CreationDate="2017-08-31T07:28:14.927" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13459" PostId="4768" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal That is my experience with it as well. For a couple of weeks, I tried guessing how it works, then I just realized that was a stupid idea, and gave up on it. I now look at it as just another random number. ;)" CreationDate="2017-08-31T10:49:07.920" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13461" PostId="4768" Score="0" Text="It gets even worse when you hit 10k and add all the questions with delete votes." CreationDate="2017-08-31T11:55:30.020" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13463" PostId="4768" Score="0" Text="Thanks guys. Your comments are really useful. Should an answer be elaborated from them?" CreationDate="2017-08-31T13:31:02.807" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13465" PostId="4774" Score="4" Text="I'm afraid that would not be such a good idea, as all SE sites are about factually *questions* and *answers*  (although in other sites like here, where answers are more subjective, there are still guidelines for [good subjective](https://stackoverflow.blog/2010/09/29/good-subjective-bad-subjective/) questions and answers). Discussion is more for chat, and at *some small* degree comments. Also, asking here on Meta is sometimes the place for those questions." CreationDate="2017-08-31T23:06:13.600" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13534" PostId="4774" Score="0" Text="Sometimes people say &quot;This is a very good topic for discussion, but...&quot; Just to soften the blow of the but and do not really mean the first part.  I am of the opinion that was the intent of the first comment on your question." CreationDate="2017-09-06T15:30:17.583" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13536" PostId="4774" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings; My opinion is there is **good discussions** which is productive and leads to conclusions; and **bad discsussion**, which is completely sterile, as it does not lead to anywhere, generates noise and should be avoided." CreationDate="2017-09-06T15:47:51.013" UserId="68753" />
  <row Id="13537" PostId="4774" Score="0" Text="@sergiol - Maybe... but there are no &quot;Good Discussions&quot; to be had on the main site.  Those belong on meta or chat." CreationDate="2017-09-06T15:49:31.907" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13543" PostId="4774" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings: I argued on my post why chat was not a good idea." CreationDate="2017-09-06T17:38:48.717" UserId="68753" />
  <row Id="13544" PostId="4774" Score="0" Text="@sergiol - Well those are the options here.  If you dont like those choices then this is probably not the place for you." CreationDate="2017-09-06T17:55:27.890" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13545" PostId="4774" Score="2" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is asking to diverge from a core tenet of the SE Philosophy on the Question and Answer Site." CreationDate="2017-09-06T20:55:18.190" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13476" PostId="4775" Score="0" Text="If you want to discuss about more ethereal questions you are welcomed to ask in in out [Chatroom](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler) ... you will most likely &quot;poll&quot; quite interesting opinions." CreationDate="2017-09-01T15:56:16.033" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13466" PostId="4776" Score="19" Text="It could do with a better explanation, but that's Kilisi's style, short and to the point. Gnat is right pointing out that it doesn't really shed much light on why you should do what Kilisi says, however I don't think the answer would be deleted anytime soon. Question to you, why do you think people find something wrong with the answer? Did it hit a review queue?" CreationDate="2017-09-01T13:15:26.453" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="13471" PostId="4776" Score="9" Text="Askers don't always tag the 'correct' answers.  Heck, some askers aren't even interested in the answers, they type for the sheer love of hearing themselves type.  Some askers confuse popularity with correctness, so just tag the top answer regardless of whether they agree (or have even read) it." CreationDate="2017-09-01T13:49:44.317" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13472" PostId="4776" Score="2" Text="@Pete That is sad and probably true.  I vote for the best answer IMHO, I don't care how many votes it has.  ( whether on mine or other questions )" CreationDate="2017-09-01T13:51:06.730" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13477" PostId="4776" Score="1" Text="@Draken My problem with gnat's comments was not that he wasn't correct in the general case, but that he seemed to be petitioning for the deletion of that particular answer, when that was unwarranted." CreationDate="2017-09-01T16:09:58.823" UserId="9936" />
  <row Id="13480" PostId="4776" Score="3" Text="I sure hope that an answer with over 100 votes would not get deleted.  That seems a bit cray cray to me...." CreationDate="2017-09-01T16:12:28.317" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13482" PostId="4776" Score="8" Text="I think Gnat has a point in general, but not in this case. My one liners are made for emphasis and because I'm not into fluff that detracts from the only correct path. However I'm fine with the answer being deleted if the mods want to. I have already assisted the OP and that's what I'm here for." CreationDate="2017-09-01T17:44:09.283" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13487" PostId="4776" Score="2" Text="@called2voyage my problem with your comment here is it's a blatant lie. Here is what I wrote and moderators (who can see deleted comments) can confirm that: &quot;Consider editing it into a better shape, to meet How to Answer guidelines&quot;" CreationDate="2017-09-01T22:34:34.170" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13488" PostId="4776" Score="1" Text="@gnat It is not a blatant lie. I said *seemed to be*. That was the impression I got. I'm sorry if I was wrong. Tell me this. If he hadn't edited it, would you think it worthy of deletion? I would not." CreationDate="2017-09-01T22:36:09.327" UserId="9936" />
  <row Id="13489" PostId="4776" Score="2" Text="@Draken yes, originally some user flagged it as &quot;too short&quot;, which triggered the discussion why should it be closed, given it gave a good advice but could be more elaborated." CreationDate="2017-09-02T00:22:50.693" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13495" PostId="4776" Score="3" Text="If we really want a complete answers that would be &quot;politely refer him to your manager, he is the one that own the project now&quot;. I don't see anything else that need to be said." CreationDate="2017-09-05T07:15:37.197" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="13546" PostId="4776" Score="1" Text="@Walfrat - Yeah that explains why...  It is possible to do it in a single line.... guess the OP was just being lazy or intentionally faunting his ability to get away with breaking the rules." CreationDate="2017-09-06T21:07:01.937" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13569" PostId="4776" Score="1" Text="since discussed post has recently [got mod notice](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/98150/revisions) you may want to reconsider which answer to accept here" CreationDate="2017-09-11T06:28:54.887" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13572" PostId="4776" Score="0" Text="sure, my comment was only a heads up (it [isn't very important anyway](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4776/what-is-wrong-with-the-answer-to-this-question?noredirect=1#comment13494_4777), &quot;a fine social contract&quot;:)" CreationDate="2017-09-11T17:15:51.047" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13573" PostId="4776" Score="0" Text="@gnat I see, thanks!" CreationDate="2017-09-11T17:16:25.927" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13475" PostId="4777" Score="5" Text="In general I agree, and this answer get's a vote.  I still think that there are some cases ( few I grant you ) where a short answer, even a one line answer, works." CreationDate="2017-09-01T15:19:19.290" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13478" PostId="4777" Score="5" Text="*&quot;If someone else came and posted a contradictory answer, there would be no way for users to reason which answer is better.&quot;* I strongly disagree on that point. As I argued in the comments on Kilisi's post before they were deleted, in this *specific* case the reasoning was already embedded in the OP." CreationDate="2017-09-01T16:11:30.353" UserId="9936" />
  <row Id="13484" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="So, regarding the &quot;too short&quot; flag, how should it have been handled? Mark as Ok but encourage the author even though he may not explain further? Or vote to close, even it has several upvotes? (Although the votes do not except it from being noticeably short)" CreationDate="2017-09-01T17:58:22.150" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13485" PostId="4777" Score="6" Text="@GrayCygnus In my mind this answer is clearly an acceptable edge case." CreationDate="2017-09-01T18:50:51.380" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13490" PostId="4777" Score="8" Text="A good summary of why we prefer seeing long answers. An answer that said exactly what Kilisi said but that actually went into detail on *why* that's the right course of action would be excellent. It's interesting how none of the other answers actually do that. That being said, since Kilisi gives a clear answer and a minimal explanation of why that's the right call, even if it's just two short sentences, for me this doesn't seem to meet the requirements for a VLQ flag and certainly not an NAA flag. It's so easy it arguably doesn't deserve the top spot on that question but that's HNQ for you." CreationDate="2017-09-02T21:10:47.957" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13491" PostId="4777" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal well, I happened to post my answer just a few secs after Kilisi, and after seeing it added reference.to his answer. I also explained more on detail why that course of action. But yes, the short answer seems ok to me, plus also being part of the HNQ dynamics (people tend to me lazy to read long answers, therefore upvote more those good one liners)" CreationDate="2017-09-03T01:52:17.003" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13492" PostId="4777" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal you probably forgot to quote what qualifies as explanation for you: &quot;Nothing positive is in this for you.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-09-03T10:26:04.657" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13493" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="@gnat Hah. I didn't actually, it just put me over the 600 character limit so I took it out. But that's indeed it: &quot;you have nothing to gain&quot; with an implied &quot;you have a lot to lose&quot; does seem like at least a minimal explanation. It could certainly do with more detail but I guess it was enough for the OP to work out his course of action." CreationDate="2017-09-03T16:12:59.733" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13494" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal given your reference to answer being accepted I think you may be interested in how Stack Exchange founder evaluated it [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/4789/165773): &quot;accepted answers are a fine social contract, but not a good data point for question or answer quality...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-09-03T19:14:33.400" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13520" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - It is dissappointing to see a mod accepting of an answer like this.  One of the reasons we voted for you guys was when we asked the questions about this type of answer was that you said it was not acceptable.  Popular answers do not make good answers.  Answer that are not well explained are not helpful to anyone." CreationDate="2017-09-05T16:31:02.690" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13524" PostId="4777" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I'm not sure why you think I'm &quot;accepting&quot; of the answer in question. I maintain that, in my mind, it doesn't meet the very strict criteria for the NAA and VLQ flags. I also think it's an answer of limited usefulness that could be much improved with a lot more detail. A moderator is an exception handler and not an arbiter of correctness. If you think the answer is not helpful you should downvote it. Since it only got 5 downvotes so far I think it's safe to assume that the majority opinion at least condones it." CreationDate="2017-09-05T20:50:59.253" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13525" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="your reliance on _majority opinion_ makes me feel somewhat uncomfortable @Lilienthal. Consider giving a read to  [The Trouble With Popularity](https://blog.stackexchange.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/), &quot;it's too addictive and too easy, and in the absence of any moderation, the community would do nothing but add and upvote the easy, fun stuff. This is why community moderators have real power; they _need_ that power to intervene, educate, and refocus the community's exuberance on more substantive content...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-09-05T21:41:08.697" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13527" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal *That being said, since Kilisi gives a clear answer and a minimal explanation of why that's the right call, even if it's just two short sentences, for me this doesn't seem to meet the requirements for a VLQ flag and certainly not an NAA flag.* - This comment seems to be 180 degrees from the responses you gave in your candidate questions.  It meet NAA specifically because it does not explain itself.  Therefore it can not be an answer by definition of what an answer at SE is." CreationDate="2017-09-06T01:35:10.907" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13528" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="Also and Exeption handler like when the Question hits the HNQ list and gets 150 lemming votes but is only 1 sentence that does not explain why it is correct.  Sadly thanks the the HNQ advertizing and the lax standards of the moderation team when they do start, we have a community that has decided that they dont care. So those of us that still do care feel screwed over" CreationDate="2017-09-06T01:37:35.530" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13529" PostId="4777" Score="3" Text="I'm not sure why you're both coming after me so hard on this. As far as I'm concerned a mod should keep the community opinion in mind when taking action and avoid making overly subjective judgement calls like this here. If I had actually removed the well-received answer I would be dealing with a dozen people rightly complaining about mod overreach. Whatever I answered on the election questionnaire would be an abstract view of my stance on NAA/VLQ and the typical disclaimer there is that each situation is different and should be handled independently." CreationDate="2017-09-06T07:02:05.517" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13530" PostId="4777" Score="3" Text="I have explained my opinion on this answer at length and while you are free to disagree with me, I am done defending myself for it. If you have an issue with the actions of the moderator team then I encourage you to raise those in a more constructive manner." CreationDate="2017-09-06T07:02:11.150" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13532" PostId="4777" Score="4" Text="@gnat I assure you I'm not mixing anything up. I'm referring to the downvote count, the comments on this meta and the positive vote count before the question hit HNQ. If anything you seem to be confusing your personal opinion with &quot;this is what the community should think&quot;. If you're done implying that I'm incompetent or out of sync with SE values by linking things I may find &quot;interesting&quot;, perhaps consider that we simply have different opinions and that we abandoned any semblance of a constructive discussion several days ago." CreationDate="2017-09-06T11:52:05.047" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13533" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - I am not suggesting you remove the answer just add the back it post notification... Before the question hit HNQ This answer was at 8 up 3 down votes, a post notification at that time probably avoids it getting the lemming votes." CreationDate="2017-09-06T14:18:19.470" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13538" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - BTW you are getting the brunt of it because you dared to speak up.  All of the moderation team failed us here IMO.  The post notice would have avoided this entire post and all of the hard feelings involving it." CreationDate="2017-09-06T15:54:14.867" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13539" PostId="4777" Score="3" Text="@IDrink it's a pity nobody thought of a post notice early on. The first flag pointing out its brevity came on Sep 4 when the damage had already been done. I first saw the answer yesterday (holiday weekend here). Before you cast aspersions on how the mod team has &quot;failed&quot; the community, try to consider other factors including what the community itself can do. Why does such a bad answer have only five downvotes? Where was the *constructive* discussion about improving it? Why did it pass the low-quality review? Did people try to fix it or just complain deep in meta comments that few will see?" CreationDate="2017-09-06T16:18:30.070" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13540" PostId="4777" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio - Why bother flagging these, they just get declined,  I have 8 declines from last week alone on comments that were either removed or changed by mods.  Mods are supposed to step in when something like this is broken.  Yes we know that the community would allow this to turn into a discussion forum on their own.  We need the mods to step up and take action to prevent this.  The community follows your lead, not ours.  If the mods say no this is not OK the community will back that.  But silence is consent to the masses." CreationDate="2017-09-06T16:23:34.643" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13547" PostId="4777" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio you write this as if it is now somehow too late (?) to add that notice, do I understand that correctly?" CreationDate="2017-09-07T07:08:57.473" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13551" PostId="4777" Score="0" Text="@gnat I was responding to &quot;a post notification at that time probably avoids it getting the lemming votes&quot;.  A post notice now won't undo those votes.  It's easy to talk about what *would have been* a better thing to do, but what we have is current reality and maybe some lessons for the future.  If anybody thought of that post notice *at the time*, the suggestion didn't make it to the mods via a flag and the mods who were around didn't think of it independently." CreationDate="2017-09-07T13:11:22.827" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13552" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio I think I understand. You believe that multiple upvotes on the post somehow prevent adding a notice, do I got it right?" CreationDate="2017-09-07T13:20:31.720" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13553" PostId="4777" Score="0" Text="@gnat no.  IDrink said that a post notice back then would have prevented the votes.  I said it's a pity nobody thought to do that.  That's all.  A post notice now won't reverse that, so instead of talking about what should have been done, which is what his comment was about, talk about what can be done now with the current state of affairs.  I don't know if a notice now is appropriate (maybe?), but that wasn't the point of the comment I responded to.  I hope that clears things up." CreationDate="2017-09-07T13:24:04.813" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13554" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="that's now clear, thanks @Monica. In this case I suggest to add post notice now (if you'd prefer me to flag for that just let me know I'll do). As a side note I doubt that notice would substantially prevent piling of &quot;likes&quot; even if added early - my observations on HNQ so far suggest that random passers by don't care (trying to walk in their shoes I'd say I myself certainly wouldn't care)" CreationDate="2017-09-07T13:41:06.550" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13558" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio - Here is the thing.  Look at this users posts he has consistantly abused the back it up policy.  There is a history of requests for post notices that have been declined.  Yes I think the mod team failed here and continues to fail here." CreationDate="2017-09-07T15:22:20.990" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13564" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings you seem to be taking this awfully personally. It's almost as if you think I should be banned. I'm guessing sour grapes because it got more votes than your answer, therefore the constant complaints and inane comment?" CreationDate="2017-09-08T07:46:18.363" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13565" PostId="4777" Score="0" Text="by the way @Lilienthal your mention of too few downvotes reminded of similar experience I had a while ago. Back then I gave it some thought and concluded that it's to be expected in cases like that. I summarized it in [this post](https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/a/7536/31260) (in second half of it, starting with &quot;Another thing worth paying attention to is how little of negative feedback was given...&quot;)" CreationDate="2017-09-08T08:17:29.087" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13566" PostId="4777" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi - Its not personal.  You occasionally have decent posts.  But far too often you ignore the standards, and because its allowed you feel empowered to do it more.  It backup to the broken window theory." CreationDate="2017-09-08T14:18:49.850" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13568" PostId="4778" Score="2" Text="Comments removed.  That's quite enough sniping and bickering." CreationDate="2017-09-10T21:59:37.183" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13535" PostId="4780" Score="0" Text="Nice job spelling out specific examples.  I haven't worked outside the USA, so this made it more clear to me." CreationDate="2017-09-06T15:45:59.320" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13541" PostId="4780" Score="1" Text="This is a good way to look at it, and is pretty much in line with our definitions of [what is considered legal here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1856/what-is-asking-for-legal-advice). I think we all are just going to have to keep in mind that just because the topic might be outside of common workplace knowledge, doesn't mean it can't be answered by someone here." CreationDate="2017-09-06T16:24:53.697" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13542" PostId="4780" Score="2" Text="Yes there is a contingent that believe &quot;I dont know the answer&quot; = &quot;Off Topic&quot;" CreationDate="2017-09-06T16:48:37.507" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13556" PostId="4780" Score="0" Text="What's the difference between &quot;What type of visa do I need to do {JOB} in {COUNTRY}&quot; and &quot;What {VISA TYPE} in {COUNTRY} allows for {WORK TYPE}&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-09-07T14:05:46.717" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13559" PostId="4780" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling - because the first is asking for legal advice(as defined by SE), the second is asking facts about the law." CreationDate="2017-09-07T15:25:53.843" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13560" PostId="4780" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings If visa X allows for you to have a certain job, wouldn't visa X then be one of the visas needed to do the job? It just seems like different phrasings of the same question." CreationDate="2017-09-07T17:21:14.147" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13561" PostId="4780" Score="1" Text="@Dukeling - Yes but one asks for facts of the law.  The other asks for opinion on how the law applies.  We can not answer questions on how the law applies per SE Policy.  But we can answer facts about the law, especially if it is backed up with reference documents  Personally I think the policy is unnecessary but it is not my policy to change." CreationDate="2017-09-07T17:30:02.343" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13555" PostId="4781" Score="1" Text="at MSE they say it's sometimes possible: [How was this answer posted after this question was closed?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/91928/165773)" CreationDate="2017-09-07T13:48:34.817" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13574" PostId="4783" Score="6" Text="This question seems to be suitable for the main site. When this question appeared at the water cooler, I actually thought for a moment that it was from the main site." CreationDate="2017-09-12T03:29:14.097" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13575" PostId="4783" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan yes, but I didn't want to put it there as it might discourage people from using that phrase which seems so mainstream, and I might be totally wrong or missing something about it." CreationDate="2017-09-12T05:08:47.143" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13576" PostId="4783" Score="0" Text="&quot;*a lot of answers*&quot; Really? Because as you say that is simply not really a reason. Any half-way competent interviewer will ask what that means. As far as I'm concerned this would be a non-answer." CreationDate="2017-09-12T06:23:24.180" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13578" PostId="4783" Score="1" Text="&quot;Bad fit&quot; is so nebulous, it could mean anything. You have chosen 3 bad options, but there are plenty of others. &quot;I was too skilled for the role&quot;, for example." CreationDate="2017-09-12T11:18:24.873" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13580" PostId="4783" Score="3" Text="I would interpret this in general as dealing the cultural fit, for example: Company expected you to work long hours, or SR Management would not spend money when needed, or I did not get along with someone in my department, or *some promise the company made to me was not kept*. Its a polite &quot;**catch all phrase**&quot; for it just did not work out." CreationDate="2017-09-12T11:24:31.023" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13581" PostId="4783" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive - I agree with your interpretation of the phrase. I disagree that this would be a good question for the main site (too broad, too opinion-based, IMHO)." CreationDate="2017-09-12T12:00:40.323" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13582" PostId="4783" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Agree too after further review." CreationDate="2017-09-12T12:01:20.210" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13583" PostId="4783" Score="3" Text="&quot;When *I* use a word,&quot; Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, &quot;it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-09-12T12:51:14.117" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13621" PostId="4783" Score="4" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because this belongs on the main site." CreationDate="2017-09-14T19:22:43.243" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13620" PostId="4784" Score="2" Text="It also could be I dont want to say anything negative about the company I left because that would also make me look bad." CreationDate="2017-09-14T19:21:58.063" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13584" PostId="4786" Score="2" Text="That question is still really broad IMHO.  Let's see what others think." CreationDate="2017-09-12T15:54:29.787" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13585" PostId="4786" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive Do you have any further advice on how to improve the question?" CreationDate="2017-09-12T16:10:23.120" UserId="62397" />
  <row Id="13587" PostId="4787" Score="0" Text="Depression is a real possibility, but I don't have much faith in getting him to a councilor.  I'm trying to find the best solution that I can help with personally through advice." CreationDate="2017-09-12T16:29:49.930" UserId="62397" />
  <row Id="13588" PostId="4787" Score="0" Text="&quot;I'm 100% positive it's higher than most jobs&quot; - I think that is demonstrably true. Yet, I'm also 100% positive that there are many, many jobs where the employee works more hours than most jobs (and often more hours than accountants). But as always, it depends. You don't apply for &quot;the average&quot;, you apply for one specific job. And that job could require any number of hours from very few to quite a lot." CreationDate="2017-09-12T17:15:46.147" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13589" PostId="4787" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I guess without clarification, I was including all employees. Perhaps the OP meant &quot;salaried employees&quot; when they said it?" CreationDate="2017-09-12T18:05:20.110" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13590" PostId="4787" Score="0" Text="@enderland - I understood where you were going. It's not clear what the OP meant. I disagree with the implied notion that accountants inevitably work far more hours than almost everyone else. I know plenty of accountants that seldom if ever work more than 40 hours. And I know plenty of non-accountants that work far more than 40 (That doctor you mention probably does. I did.) There are *lots* of accountants in the world. They aren't all doing the same thing." CreationDate="2017-09-12T18:18:08.353" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13591" PostId="4787" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere ahh, good point. I edited that statement as it wasn't really necessary to the point of what I had here anyways." CreationDate="2017-09-12T18:26:16.910" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13595" PostId="4789" Score="2" Text="Why bother? When in doubt, just ask the question. You'll learn quickly if it was a good question to ask or not via the community's response. And if not, just delete it. No harm. No foul. Over time, you'll hone your questioning skills." CreationDate="2017-09-13T19:45:25.013" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13599" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere makes sense, with this in mind, the answers thus far suggest that by running it through the cooler, it enters the question through a curation by users who: have at least 20 rep (to enter the chat), and are active users on the workplace. I am unsure of the actual effects on user retention, but wouldn't it allow new users a more forgiving medium to address their onboarding pains?" CreationDate="2017-09-13T20:14:35.303" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13600" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="There's no real problem running it through chat. But just know that the number of &quot;chatters&quot; is very limited, and while knowledgeable, they certainly cannot represent nor speak for the Workplace community. Some users spend a lot of time in chat. Others seldom (if ever) venture there - even others with very high rep. All of this (for me at least) means that it isn't an effective &quot;litmus test&quot;. Just my humble opinion." CreationDate="2017-09-13T20:54:37.730" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13601" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Makes sense. I'll keep this in mind. Thanks for your opinion." CreationDate="2017-09-13T21:01:20.780" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13604" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Sounds like an answer to me." CreationDate="2017-09-13T22:56:40.103" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="13605" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@tim - okay, done." CreationDate="2017-09-13T23:00:13.493" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13637" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere `just delete it, No harm. No foul` doesn't having too many deleted questions ban you from asking again? If I recall correctly from the rulings of SE" CreationDate="2017-09-18T00:07:03.303" UserId="12484" />
  <row Id="13638" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@AConcernedProgrammer - I've not heard that. And I see a few users deleting questions/answers all the time and they are still around." CreationDate="2017-09-18T02:02:05.847" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13639" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I suppose you are correct as usual :)  According here https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/103656/how-should-self-deletes-be-evaluated-in-the-question-ban-algorithm it isn't a big issue, as long as questions are at deleted **after 30 days**. Just don't spam and you'll be fine" CreationDate="2017-09-18T02:45:32.307" UserId="12484" />
  <row Id="13643" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@AConcernedProgrammer - and I'm not expecting anyone to have to delete all that many questions while they learn what is an acceptable question anyway. I'm just suggesting that it's not all that hard for a regular reader to learn by reading and asking, then deleting when necessary. Apparently others disagree." CreationDate="2017-09-18T12:01:34.120" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13703" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Repeatedly posting bad questions and deleting them -- where 'repeatedly' means 'way more than someone who is genuinely trying to post good questions will ever post, because they'll try to figure out what went wrong before posting again' -- will get you banned. Occasionally having to delete a bad question won't." CreationDate="2017-09-23T05:07:34.030" UserId="30756" />
  <row Id="13704" PostId="4789" Score="0" Text="Anyone doing what I suggest wouldn't be posting 'way more'." CreationDate="2017-09-23T11:29:36.067" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13592" PostId="4790" Score="1" Text="Champion votes, I thoughts all votes were equal?" CreationDate="2017-09-13T18:01:32.793" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13593" PostId="4790" Score="1" Text="It just means people who already support your asking the question in the first place.  All votes are not equal they just have the same score value.  those first early votes can help launch the question to the HNQ." CreationDate="2017-09-13T18:04:09.120" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13594" PostId="4790" Score="0" Text="@FrankFYC In addition, when reviewing a question in the close votes queue, people like me are likely to be an extra bit careful in casting close votes if the question has a score of +5 rather than -2. This doesn't mean I blindly close downvoted questions without thinking, just that I don't ask myself, &quot;are you sure?&quot; before casting the vote." CreationDate="2017-09-13T19:29:39.820" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13603" PostId="4790" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Mostly, it is receiving answers which will get a question to the HNQ, rather than votes. The votes will help it show up on the site homepage though." CreationDate="2017-09-13T22:55:22.773" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="13609" PostId="4790" Score="1" Text="@Tim yes and the votes help get people incentivized to answer.  Especially when they happen earlier.  I am not saying they are the key but you arent getting to the HNQ with out some votes for the question either." CreationDate="2017-09-13T23:50:53.603" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13602" PostId="4791" Score="0" Text="`it often happens that some of us with way too much idle time experience answer your question in chat` (notsureif) :)" CreationDate="2017-09-13T21:19:35.130" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13596" PostId="4793" Score="0" Text="Yep, that happens, but why would he want to give that as the reason for leaving?" CreationDate="2017-09-13T19:51:05.127" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13597" PostId="4793" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi if you were him, what would you say?  Just curious because I have no idea what I would say." CreationDate="2017-09-13T19:55:08.317" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13598" PostId="4793" Score="1" Text="I don't know, I always say the same thing, 'I left because I want more money'. But I've heard lots of other reasons such as 'family commitments' etc,." CreationDate="2017-09-13T20:13:03.930" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13622" PostId="4794" Score="0" Text="I can say it came as the result of a flag(possibly more than just mine).  This was not the notice I had hoped to see fyi." CreationDate="2017-09-14T19:24:16.950" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13623" PostId="4794" Score="2" Text="Related Information from Meta.SE: [What are these notices under my post?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/165006/163292)" CreationDate="2017-09-14T19:31:20.403" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13610" PostId="4795" Score="3" Text="*Why bother?* because a question asked well right off the bat gets better answers than one that transforms over time.  If the point of asking the question is to farm rep you are right, if you want to get good and helpful answers then you get help.  top three voted questions started in chat." CreationDate="2017-09-13T23:55:55.723" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13613" PostId="4795" Score="0" Text="Hmm, perhaps you have things backwards. I'm not sure I agree that you get better answers taking the chat route. Remember that the vast majority of questions did not originate in chat. But perhaps &quot;top three voted questions started in chat&quot; indicates that if you really want to farm reputation points, chatters can help. You even seem to agree with your mention of &quot;champion votes&quot;. No matter. Uses can craft their questions any way they like, and pursue rep points or not." CreationDate="2017-09-14T10:17:02.143" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13615" PostId="4795" Score="0" Text="The other piece is if you ask a question that is perfectly viable in your mind, and for some reason its not, we have a few members who just love to point out what an idiot you are for asking a question.  I think a bit of proofing is a good idea in some cases.  It doesn't need to be required, but an option available if the person asking the question would like some input.  I like @Pete idea for this forum." CreationDate="2017-09-14T12:03:09.953" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13616" PostId="4795" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive - yup. Chat is always there if you feel the need. (of course chatters could point out what an idiot you are, too.)" CreationDate="2017-09-14T12:04:31.027" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13627" PostId="4795" Score="1" Text="I agree, I have a bit of rep but not even sure where the chat is and not going to be heading there any time soon." CreationDate="2017-09-15T00:01:33.160" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13655" PostId="4795" Score="0" Text="Not to mention if the bad question receives answers that are upvoted quickly, you won't be able to delete it." CreationDate="2017-09-19T03:13:59.937" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="13606" PostId="4796" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your answer. So it is up to mods to decide what posts to put a banner on, so answerers get back on focus of the question? Can non-mod users suggest this banners to be added in some way if they see a post that may require one?" CreationDate="2017-09-13T23:33:38.843" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13607" PostId="4796" Score="1" Text="@GrayCygnus Yes, the mods decide.  Non-mod users can offer a suggestion via a flag that the mods can then determine if a post notice is appropriate.  In some cases the flag itself is spurious as the best way to manage it is to downvote it and/or vote for deletion if you have the rep and you feel it's unsalvageable." CreationDate="2017-09-13T23:35:35.420" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="13608" PostId="4796" Score="1" Text="Yes, I just wondered if it was possible, although I also think it is unnecessary to flag for mod just to add a banner (also may come as annoying or as trying to do mod work when one is not a mod). If the post deserves it most surely a mod will see it and post a banner to it. Also, when I see answers deviating from the point I think that adding a comment on them so the poster can rethink it is another good way to go." CreationDate="2017-09-13T23:42:48.263" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13611" PostId="4796" Score="3" Text="@GrayCygnus The Workplace is an active site; please don't assume that moderators see everything.  I mean, we try, but we might not always succeed.  If you see something that you think needs attention, please use a flag to let us know.  That's why you *can* flag.  Don't think of it as back-seat driving; think of it as sharing in community maintenance." CreationDate="2017-09-14T03:30:38.263" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13612" PostId="4796" Score="0" Text="Thanks @MonicaCellio will keep your words in mind. I guess there should be a balance between mod flagging and letting the community handle it organically." CreationDate="2017-09-14T04:00:05.613" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13618" PostId="4796" Score="1" Text="@GrayCygnus ideally we are exception handlers. SE has a lot of built in processes to allow us as collective users to handle things, from the review queues to even some automatic comment deletion (certain keywords allow single comment flag deletions and I think there's even a threshold of comment flags that auto delete)." CreationDate="2017-09-14T15:07:50.173" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13624" PostId="4796" Score="0" Text="Whoa 3 mods commenting the answer :) great feedback guys" CreationDate="2017-09-14T20:17:34.687" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13614" PostId="4799" Score="1" Text="I like this idea a lot." CreationDate="2017-09-14T12:01:09.483" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13619" PostId="4800" Score="2" Text="you're a wizard harr... @Draken" CreationDate="2017-09-14T16:00:09.107" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="13629" PostId="4800" Score="0" Text="Funny story, on the same question, I cast a close vote and it got closed immediately." CreationDate="2017-09-15T08:06:12.987" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13617" PostId="4801" Score="1" Text="Look, more magic!" CreationDate="2017-09-14T15:03:48.703" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13625" PostId="4801" Score="0" Text="For the record, I remember that any gold tag badge user can Single-handedly open/close posts with that tag, so if you eventually get a gold tag badge you might be able to do this without going through other votes. That or being a mod also grants you those privileges I believe." CreationDate="2017-09-14T20:19:59.373" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13626" PostId="4801" Score="1" Text="@GrayCygnus only if it was closed as a duplicate, though." CreationDate="2017-09-14T20:42:50.713" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13631" PostId="4801" Score="0" Text="Question then, why does it not show the other votes in the audit screen of the first post but does show it for the 2nd one?" CreationDate="2017-09-15T10:58:04.410" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="13632" PostId="4801" Score="1" Text="@Draken my guess is those reopen votes weren't cast as part of the audit, but just &quot;normal&quot; reopen votes." CreationDate="2017-09-15T12:09:23.453" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13633" PostId="4801" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that was the bit that threw me. Just seemed odd only my name was there!" CreationDate="2017-09-15T12:34:41.703" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="15796" PostId="4803" Score="0" Text="We already have Meta and chat to help users craft questions - and I've seen plenty of users doing so. The problem is that most people just don't use the resources we already have. Why do you think Sandbox will be any different?" CreationDate="2018-07-05T14:35:02.903" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15798" PostId="4803" Score="2" Text="Meta is more often usedin an attempt to resuse questions that have already been closed/downvoted.  The sandbox will allow people to create and collaborate on questions before attempting to counteract a negative state.  Starting with a high quality question is arguably better for the site than improving a bad quality question." CreationDate="2018-07-05T14:40:13.257" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15801" PostId="4803" Score="0" Text="I certainly agree that it's better to start with a good question. I'm saying that I've seen users come to Meta or chat and say &quot;I'm thinking of posting this question - what should I change before I put it on the main site?&quot; I'm not sure that having a specific Sandbox will be any more used than the resources we currently have. Or at least, the users who will use the Sandbox won't be the ones who would post the bad questions to begin with." CreationDate="2018-07-05T14:54:40.430" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13634" PostId="4804" Score="1" Text="You might want to post a link to the question." CreationDate="2017-09-16T12:50:59.487" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13635" PostId="4804" Score="0" Text="I am using the app on my iPad and was having trouble with adding the link. If someone else would be kind enough to edit that in for me, I would appreciate it...otherwise I will add it when i can access the site from my work computer." CreationDate="2017-09-16T16:00:16.653" UserId="76063" />
  <row Id="13642" PostId="4804" Score="0" Text="It seems to me its more of a question like &quot;*My employer provides coffee, is it okay for me to take some home for me to make over the weekend?*&quot;" CreationDate="2017-09-18T11:38:19.367" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13645" PostId="4804" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive, potentially it is more like asking &quot;*My employer provides coffee, do I have to pour out what is left in my cup or can I drink it on my drive home?*&quot; I &quot;subscribe&quot; to some stock image sites with images under a CC 0 license, which means that they are open to anyone for use in whatever manner they wish to.  The &quot;subscription&quot; just means that I have registered my email address, and the site sends me a new batch of pictures to use when they post more pictures.  It is both ethically and legally okay to use them in business or personal projects." CreationDate="2017-09-18T16:33:05.333" UserId="76063" />
  <row Id="13640" PostId="4805" Score="1" Text="It is asking for opinion though.  It should be edited to ask something more constructive than our judgement on the acceptability of the practice.  Like how to determine the acceptable use of the images." CreationDate="2017-09-18T04:02:45.303" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13641" PostId="4805" Score="0" Text="+1, &quot;The answer is obvious to me&quot;, that would get 95% of questions coming from newcomers to the workplace closed (I don't count duplicates as they're differents)." CreationDate="2017-09-18T08:07:52.827" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="13644" PostId="4805" Score="0" Text="It may or may not be asking for an opinion--it simply depends on how you choose to interpret the question.  the OP asks &quot;is it okay,&quot; which can be answered with an opinion, or with facts about how to determine the actual validity of use.  I think it is more useful to provide a suggested edit for the OP to review that makes it clearly not opinion-based than simply to place it on hold." CreationDate="2017-09-18T16:24:40.260" UserId="76063" />
  <row Id="13646" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="You didn't get any downvotes when I just checked." CreationDate="2017-09-18T20:15:53.607" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13647" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I get down votes for other answers. Obviously, there’s no way of knowing the reasons other than reading the comments." CreationDate="2017-09-18T20:20:34.663" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13648" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="Agreed. And nobody needs to leave a comment when downvoting, so sometimes reading them won't help. I wouldn't worry about this. There's almost always someone with a &quot;but what about this edge case&quot; comment." CreationDate="2017-09-18T20:21:54.803" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13651" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="Side note - that question seems like a perfect example of a question that requires a goal that we can address. If the asker wanted to talk to someone in the company about it or get cleaners to clean it up, it might be a different story, but at the moment it's just like &quot;yeah, okay, that sucks, but what do you want from us&quot;." CreationDate="2017-09-18T21:05:37.880" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13654" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="First it is not a minor edge case.  Lots of people are allergic to cigarette ash.  I am my self(its the reason I quit smoking).  Its something to consider are the major potential consequences." CreationDate="2017-09-19T01:01:16.690" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13656" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="Yeah, the cigarette ash in the context of this question is pretty much irrelevant when smoking (as an activity) appears to be allowed in this office.  The only thing really relevant in this question is someone presented with a messy desk." CreationDate="2017-09-19T08:40:30.620" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13658" PostId="4806" Score="0" Text="As this question demonstrates, even the words *edge case* are context sensitive and open to interpretation." CreationDate="2017-09-19T12:15:40.800" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13653" PostId="4808" Score="1" Text="Yep, it really is just that simple. Comments can often point out legitimate issues or add to the answer but just as often it's someone nitpicking. It's fine to ignore those comments or explain why they're not relevant if you're feeling charitable." CreationDate="2017-09-18T23:30:06.750" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13726" PostId="4808" Score="0" Text="For this very reason I tend to word my suggestions as actual suggestions, i.e. &quot;this answer might be improved by ...&quot; or &quot;I think this answer is missing ...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-09-26T09:51:15.047" UserId="32602" />
  <row Id="13649" PostId="4809" Score="2" Text="Comments can be deleted at any time, so you should not rely on them to flesh out your answer." CreationDate="2017-09-18T20:39:49.787" UserId="54765" />
  <row Id="13652" PostId="4809" Score="0" Text="Yes, but highly voted (therefore useful comments) are not often erased without greater reason for doing so. Regardless it was highly voted or not, the answerer is the one to decide if it is worth editing the question." CreationDate="2017-09-18T21:24:16.953" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13650" PostId="4810" Score="1" Text="agreed.  I thought the question as asked was fine too" CreationDate="2017-09-18T20:41:12.867" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13657" PostId="4811" Score="0" Text="No, I don't know why people are downvoting this either." CreationDate="2017-09-19T11:55:33.223" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13664" PostId="4811" Score="0" Text="Some users will answer regardless of how off-topic the question because &quot;it's just one and it's easy and I also get upvotes before it's closed&quot; and some will downvote regardless of how sensible the answer because it doesn't match their preconceptions. TWP has to let subjectivity be part of the Q&amp;A because otherwise it wouldn't work, but that same subjectivity often crosses into emotive reasoning for UV/DV/CV. Then of course the usual politics of a community too." CreationDate="2017-09-20T19:13:57.903" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="13711" PostId="4811" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling - In meta a down vote indicates disagreement with the answer and should not be taken as an assesment of the quality of the answer.  I agree with you some dont." CreationDate="2017-09-25T00:19:58.433" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13659" PostId="4812" Score="0" Text="Are you asking about this specific case or about a general situation? Without looking at either question the general guideline would presumably be that OPs should refer to the previous question for additional background if they're asking a *new* question but that an identical question with the only difference being &quot;this has been going on for X months longer&quot; is a simple repost which should be removed." CreationDate="2017-09-19T15:42:56.313" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13665" PostId="4812" Score="0" Text="General situation, but the answer(s) thus far hits the nail on the head." CreationDate="2017-09-21T04:22:15.817" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13660" PostId="4813" Score="0" Text="New users often don't have the means to offer a bounty. But it would appear that the lines are greyed when one decides between one or the other." CreationDate="2017-09-19T17:52:54.260" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13661" PostId="4813" Score="0" Text="Yes, as a new user it is often not as easy to navigate through *any* SE site like you would when you have higher reputation. That is why the importance of engaging and doing follow up to your question, instead of just &quot;posting and logging off&quot;." CreationDate="2017-09-19T17:55:26.467" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13662" PostId="4813" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I asked a question here on meta some months ago about [Standard way to add follow-up to a question I asked](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4694/standard-way-to-add-follow-up-to-a-question-i-asked), which was a dupe of other questions related to this that you are saying, you may find it helpful to read my question and the dupes it points to." CreationDate="2017-09-19T19:51:58.837" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13663" PostId="4813" Score="0" Text="Noted and read. It does help. Thanks." CreationDate="2017-09-19T20:52:17.123" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="15941" PostId="4814" Score="2" Text="Neuromancer, would you mind marking one of the answers as correct? The [Community bot](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4380/how-does-a-question-get-bumped-to-the-homepage) has bumped this multiple times now, even though it's been completed." CreationDate="2018-07-18T19:41:03.477" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16195" PostId="4814" Score="0" Text="@DavidK another time now :)" CreationDate="2018-08-17T22:38:41.450" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13666" PostId="4815" Score="0" Text="As of now it has already 3 reopen votes, missing other 2" CreationDate="2017-09-21T04:38:02.627" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13668" PostId="4815" Score="0" Text="It is now reopened" CreationDate="2017-09-21T13:23:30.217" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13735" PostId="4816" Score="0" Text="True 99% or the time &quot;academic = irrelevant'" CreationDate="2017-09-27T13:56:55.387" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13672" PostId="4817" Score="1" Text="Questions asked on here may be driven by personal circumstances, but they are posted and answered for the benefit of others too. This is why a question may be put on hold if it is too specific to one company or organisation (as your previous question was). Posts are usually edited for the same reason. I think it has actually been reopened as a result. (I can't comment on the specifics as I don't know exactly why it was reopened)." CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:32:58.213" UserDisplayName="user34587" />
  <row Id="13673" PostId="4817" Score="0" Text="The questions and answers need to be clear, concise, have a clear goal we can address, and be on topic. Questions about choices you make, legal questions unanswerable by someone of an HR level or below, rants against coworkers, company policies are off topic." CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:34:15.403" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13674" PostId="4817" Score="0" Text="One of the first comments (mine) asked you for a country,  Why didn't you provide that." CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:34:40.847" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13675" PostId="4817" Score="3" Text="I strongly encourage you to take a look at our [tour] and [help]. I think it might help clear up some misconceptions about what this site is and how we operate." CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:39:06.113" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13677" PostId="4817" Score="0" Text="I made an edit here because the original version of this was not constructive." CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:47:26.310" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13681" PostId="4817" Score="1" Text="@enderland you win the prize for understatement of the year" CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:50:15.680" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13685" PostId="4817" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I did not get a chance to come back to the board until today to provide that" CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:55:53.757" UserId="77170" />
  <row Id="13686" PostId="4817" Score="0" Text="@Kozaky I could not contact HR since I no longer worked there." CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:58:19.100" UserId="77170" />
  <row Id="13687" PostId="4817" Score="0" Text="@enderland did you not see the bottom of the post where I wrote that this question was intended to not get edited. I come to message boards and I talk with out worrying about all of  the little edits. Had I known it was this type of site I would have have done it differently. Which again points to people not wanting to help me, just wanting to fell good about themselves for calling out my run on sentences." CreationDate="2017-09-21T15:01:56.920" UserId="77170" />
  <row Id="13688" PostId="4817" Score="2" Text="@Christeena You obviously don't believe it, but the edits are to help your question get answered, not to &quot;feel good&quot; for doing it. Also, enderland is a moderator. Your question, as written, was rude and insulting. It's his responsibility to remove such things whether you want them removed or not. We have what's called a &quot;Be nice&quot; policy. Your post was violating that." CreationDate="2017-09-21T15:06:16.737" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13691" PostId="4817" Score="1" Text="@Christeena if you want to rant or accuse the community you just aren't going to find this is a welcoming place for that. If you want to keep this as a rant, it will be closed and deleted in short succession. I encourage you to read the links that David K provided [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4817/is-this-place-a-message-board-or-place-to-judge?noredirect=1#comment13675_4817) about how Stack Exchange works." CreationDate="2017-09-21T15:07:19.950" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13693" PostId="4817" Score="0" Text="@ChristopherEstep can you direct me on how to delete my account then" CreationDate="2017-09-21T15:09:04.867" UserId="77170" />
  <row Id="13696" PostId="4817" Score="0" Text="@Christeena https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/deleting-account" CreationDate="2017-09-21T15:27:41.143" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13671" PostId="4818" Score="1" Text="And it just was reopened, though it may be closed again as a duplicate of another question." CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:30:27.817" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13680" PostId="4818" Score="0" Text="I did the first edit b/c of a flag.After I did my edit someone choose to edit it in fancy wording. I was new &amp; was not aware that there were rules on  your question to sound and look like perfection. If that is how this website is that is fine, but new users should have that chance for someone to explain that to them not for people to vote the question down, and flag them and leave sassy comments. This is a place that people come to for HELP," CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:48:36.513" UserId="77170" />
  <row Id="13684" PostId="4818" Score="0" Text="@DavidK so can you answer my overall question. Is this a website where people are more interested in finding things to report or close a question, like you JUST did by looking at my question, and less interested in helping the person asking the question, which you did not. If this is that kind of page , fine I will gladly find another site where people are more focused on helping people than finding everything wrong with the question." CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:52:57.260" UserId="77170" />
  <row Id="13690" PostId="4818" Score="0" Text="@Christeena The motive in marking a question as a duplicate is that hopefully your question has already been answered somewhere and you can get the help you need by reading the already existing post. If you feel that your question is significantly different, you can always explain why you feel that your question was not answered in the linked post. We also link duplicates to make answers easy to find for other users. It's better to have one primary easy-to-find question with well written answers than 50 nearly identical questions scattered across the site." CreationDate="2017-09-21T15:06:35.920" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13695" PostId="4818" Score="2" Text="@Christeena And as to your comments about having your question edited for grammar, as others have mentioned, you shouldn't take that personally. We aren't criticizing or judging you - our goal is to make your question easy to understand to everyone. For many of our users who are not native english speakers, having correct spelling and grammar can be particularly helpful." CreationDate="2017-09-21T15:10:16.183" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13678" PostId="4820" Score="0" Text="I removed the inflammatory stuff from the OP, which is why I edited that out here." CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:47:58.257" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13683" PostId="4820" Score="0" Text="@enderland understood and appreciated." CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:51:00.860" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13692" PostId="4820" Score="2" Text="@Christeena He is a moderator....he was elected to do exactly what he did which was edit a rude, insulting question/rant into something useful." CreationDate="2017-09-21T15:08:35.027" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13694" PostId="4820" Score="2" Text="Not to mention, I was actually appreciative of the edit." CreationDate="2017-09-21T15:09:05.033" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13679" PostId="4821" Score="2" Text="`it is no longer fully yours` Yeah, that's not true at all. While anyone can edit (or suggest edits), the OP always has the ability to reject the edits and roll them back." CreationDate="2017-09-21T14:48:25.187" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13697" PostId="4821" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherEstep - Sure you can always roll edits back, but the point is that 'asking a question' here is really 'making a contribution' to the community. Once you hit that 'Post Your Question' button, it's not just about you anymore. Here on The Workplace in particular we sometimes actively discourage being too specific in questions because, for example, &quot;Questions seeking company-specific advice&quot; are explicitly off-topic. Edits are regularly made here which make questions more generally applicable and less specific to the users who asked them." CreationDate="2017-09-21T16:47:06.847" UserId="36482" />
  <row Id="13709" PostId="4821" Score="1" Text="@ChristopherEstep the OP can reject the edits, but depending on what the change was, that could lead to the post getting deleted.  And OPs aren't allowed to vandalize their posts (there's even a suspension reason for that), so they don't get the final say in *all* cases.  Editing is meant to be collaborative; editors need to respect the original content and authors need to be open to improvements." CreationDate="2017-09-24T21:29:17.570" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13698" PostId="4822" Score="1" Text="There is an answer with 547 votes....that is a hell of a lot of attention." CreationDate="2017-09-22T16:40:07.293" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13699" PostId="4822" Score="1" Text="Indeed, as it is the 250 Favorites, +420K views and 742 votes it has" CreationDate="2017-09-22T16:42:04.653" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13701" PostId="4822" Score="1" Text="First time I noticed this question... looks like a dupe... voting to close and delete... hehe" CreationDate="2017-09-22T23:09:51.807" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13762" PostId="4822" Score="0" Text="He may have been taking the mick." CreationDate="2017-09-29T11:21:31.923" UserId="22279" />
  <row Id="13700" PostId="4823" Score="1" Text="Good point, probably wanted to give some of that reputation back to other good answers" CreationDate="2017-09-22T16:46:15.710" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13702" PostId="4824" Score="9" Text="People often edit clearly non-native English speaking posts to be more readable. People normally downvote, close, and delete questions intentionally written to troll the community, however." CreationDate="2017-09-23T01:00:26.350" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13706" PostId="4824" Score="4" Text="Possible duplicate of [Are the Downvoting police too active?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2496/are-the-downvoting-police-too-active) &quot;This isn't some grade-school essay contest where you get points just for completing the assignment - if your question or answer isn't accessible and understandable by others, it's just noise...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-09-24T06:22:14.667" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13710" PostId="4824" Score="1" Text="I can't speak for anyone else, but I don't think I've even once downvoted a question that's simply unclear due to the writer's English proficiency. I only vote-to-close (for this reason) if I literally can't make sense of the question. I've edited questions to improve and clarify them for others hundreds of times. I do downvote posts that are largely attempts at humour or experiments that waste our time though." CreationDate="2017-09-24T21:59:26.543" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13713" PostId="4824" Score="2" Text="I edited in the translation of your comment, which adds a _lot_ of context to why your question was received the way it was." CreationDate="2017-09-25T16:06:59.077" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13755" PostId="4824" Score="3" Text="I apologise for wasting your time.  I had read through a few workplace.SE Q&amp;As just earlier and had again felt the pain of people who had been treated poorly due to their language skills.  The reason I posed my question as I did (with the spoiler to explain what I was doing so people would not get upset) was because I had forgotten about _meta_, I only occasionally visit any of the meta sites as mostly SE just works so I forget the value it provides.  I also apologise for not reading the specific rules of workplace.SE and discerning the humour ban. I am wiser now." CreationDate="2017-09-28T19:16:48.617" UserId="77289" />
  <row Id="13759" PostId="4824" Score="0" Text="It is ok @KalleMP thanks for taking the time to respond and actually being interested in learning your ways here. Just try to remember that in the future, before trying any experiment or meta question in the main site, where the community will surely downvote it to oblivion again." CreationDate="2017-09-28T20:50:41.270" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13705" PostId="4828" Score="0" Text="Yes, I can see other bounties have been awarded before to this question ... I wonder if they were done for more obvious reasons and with the corresponding explanation on why that bounty waa offered. Thanks for your answer" CreationDate="2017-09-23T13:56:56.150" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13712" PostId="4828" Score="0" Text="Retweeting this answer..." CreationDate="2017-09-25T13:23:14.420" UserId="64687" />
  <row Id="13730" PostId="4828" Score="0" Text="Did not realize another bounty had already been placed on this question..." CreationDate="2017-09-26T12:35:34.907" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13756" PostId="4829" Score="1" Text="It does rather seem as you share the majority view that my post was designed to waste time.  This was not my intention.  It was a somewhat light hearted (against the rules I have now found) attempt to try and find out if the problem that I have noticed was deliberate or inadvertent.  I now realise I should have started my enquiries in _meta_." CreationDate="2017-09-28T19:20:05.963" UserId="77289" />
  <row Id="13758" PostId="4829" Score="0" Text="@KalleMP Well the main reason I said that is that it's hardly a social experiment if you tells up front that's what it is. Don't get me wrong: it would still have been annoying if you had posted deliberately badly translated questions (which would have been closed unclear or rescued) but that wouldn't have resulted in the kind of backlash you saw. But I'm glad to see that you realised meta was the better place for this. If you want to raise issues with how people were treated meta is the right place but you can also flag such cases if they're over the line or step in yourself." CreationDate="2017-09-28T20:47:42.177" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13707" PostId="4830" Score="0" Text="Thanks! I didn't know how to reopen the question. But i totally agree with all your facts stated in points. That is exactly my problem and it is not company specific. It is a very generic issue which can be faced by anyone" CreationDate="2017-09-24T12:09:51.733" UserId="77318" />
  <row Id="13708" PostId="4830" Score="3" Text="I'd suggest editing it into shape and at least identifying the core question in bold or in a tl;dr. That should help get the reopens. The core questions seems on-topic and answerable to me but it could be trimmed down to improve the quality. You may also want to drop &quot;*Will there be any legal issue?*&quot; from it." CreationDate="2017-09-24T17:55:45.113" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13715" PostId="4831" Score="2" Text="I don't think anything more needs to be done with this question after your good edits. Perhaps just keep the comments/answers on track as you usually do. What concerns you?" CreationDate="2017-09-25T22:55:43.950" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13716" PostId="4831" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere there were a few comments on the question itself that were turning into a meta conversation, which is better suited here." CreationDate="2017-09-25T23:03:11.967" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13717" PostId="4831" Score="1" Text="I see. I think the appropriate response is to move comments to Chat, right? I'm assuming you can't move the comments here." CreationDate="2017-09-25T23:17:16.243" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13718" PostId="4831" Score="2" Text="It seems to me like the real question the OP was looking for an answer to is &quot;How can I professionally slander my co-worker?&quot; The edited version seems no different from the standard &quot;how do I get away from a co-worker I can't work with?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-09-26T00:03:06.477" UserId="73580" />
  <row Id="13719" PostId="4831" Score="0" Text="Your edit was great.  None of the answers are invalidated by it.  If people earn down votes because they were too harsh on the OP, well they can edit them to be less harsh or leave them as is and accept the results." CreationDate="2017-09-26T00:12:01.670" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13720" PostId="4831" Score="1" Text="&quot;Note that quitting my job/seeking legal advice, the stock replies of The Workplace, will NOT be accepted as answers as they are NOT appropriate in this case. Thanks.&quot;&#xA;The question will never be answered so. The &quot;rapist&quot; paid for his crime. OP have nothing to do except change himself. Answers that have been made are the best possible.." CreationDate="2017-09-26T07:25:16.120" UserId="70762" />
  <row Id="13732" PostId="4831" Score="1" Text="We have dealt with this before and I believe this edit is in line with the results of the previous meta: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2168/16" CreationDate="2017-09-26T14:36:31.473" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13736" PostId="4831" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings - I believe my answer was the harshest.  I called the OP out on his attempt at vigilantism, and I don't back off from that position.  I followed the &quot;Be nice&quot; policy as well as it could have been in this case.  I saw some downvotes, and I had no problem with them.  However, Enderland's edits made it a much more answerable question, and my answer no longer fit the question, so I deleted it.  I believe Enderland made the right call." CreationDate="2017-09-27T19:34:31.510" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="13737" PostId="4831" Score="0" Text="@WesleyLong - Not in my opinion it wasnt the harshest but it was also not in line with be nice.  RichardU's answer was both harsh and in line with be nice, and it actually answered the question instead of just throwing snark." CreationDate="2017-09-27T19:42:56.130" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13738" PostId="4831" Score="2" Text="Perhaps the best edit ever." CreationDate="2017-09-27T19:51:52.180" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13739" PostId="4831" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings - I wasn't throwing snark.  That was the answer that the question needed.  It was as nice as could be.  That's why Enderland's edit was so appreciated.  A question rooted in abuse, vigilantism, and underhandedness can't get a &quot;nice&quot; answer.  It's not in context.  Enderland made it something appropriate, as a question." CreationDate="2017-09-27T20:00:44.423" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="13740" PostId="4831" Score="0" Text="Depending on the circumstances of the rape, what is wrong with some mild vigilantism? I once refused to shake a govt ministers hand because he's a well known sexual predator despite having got off all seven separate complaints about him." CreationDate="2017-09-27T21:15:54.833" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13724" PostId="4832" Score="0" Text="As I hinted at in my answer, I think that the current edits make the question so generic that it's indeed a duplicate of &quot;I don't like my coworker, what can I do&quot; questions, so if that's the direction that's chosen for the question I don't think it adds value and should therefore be deleted." CreationDate="2017-09-26T09:31:21.860" UserId="32602" />
  <row Id="13744" PostId="4832" Score="1" Text="@Cronax - If it is a duplicate the appropriate action is not to delete it but to mark it as a duplicate to assist future users with finding the answer to their problems" CreationDate="2017-09-28T15:17:38.843" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13835" PostId="4832" Score="0" Text="This goes a little past your typical &quot;dislike my coworker&quot; question, because the animus is much deeper here, and gets into safety questions -- does the guy bring his wife and daughters to company picnic.  And knotty questions -- what to say when other coworkers notice and ask &quot;Jeez OP why do you dislike that guy so much?&quot;  I'd err on the side of not marking as duplicate." CreationDate="2017-10-07T21:09:40.450" UserId="77515" />
  <row Id="13729" PostId="4833" Score="2" Text="I agree with this.  I would like to see the question deleted for the same reasons spelled out in this answer." CreationDate="2017-09-26T12:32:14.543" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13721" PostId="4835" Score="1" Text="Did you scroll down as far as [this](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/99621/44108) answer, which clearly indicates that employees with prior convictions cannot be discriminated against on the basis of those prior convictions?  As a bonus, there's a citation relevant to the OPs country." CreationDate="2017-09-26T09:21:50.300" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13722" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="@SnarkShark I think that's about the right tone, but that answer is missing the solution to the OP's problem and while the current OP might not be looking for that solution, future googlers ought to find it in the answer." CreationDate="2017-09-26T09:23:44.043" UserId="32602" />
  <row Id="13723" PostId="4835" Score="2" Text="There's nothing to prevent you from providing your own answer that supplies the necessary information and guidance.  However, I think that the sum total of the answers provided so far (or at least a few of them) covers the basis.  As always, multiple answers provides a overview of opinions.  Sometimes, one answer isn't the full answer." CreationDate="2017-09-26T09:30:23.383" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13725" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="@SnarkShark If people agree with my approach I'd be happy to either edit one of the existing answers or to supply one of my own, but in its current state I think the question is a duplicate and should be deleted." CreationDate="2017-09-26T09:33:06.267" UserId="32602" />
  <row Id="13727" PostId="4835" Score="4" Text="Do not edit someone else's answer to fit your narative. You can edit to correct errors or improve the general language/layout, but you cannot change/add/remove details they've added that you feel are relevant or not (If it doesn't break our current rules). It'd be better to provide your own answer then modifying someone else's" CreationDate="2017-09-26T12:24:08.317" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="13734" PostId="4835" Score="1" Text="*I found out that I'm working with a convicted felon, am I correct in believing that he shouldn't have been employed by my employer*  - This question is off topic (company specific policy)" CreationDate="2017-09-26T14:39:07.223" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13828" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings No it's not - it's a country-specific policy." CreationDate="2017-10-07T09:02:25.933" UserId="49123" />
  <row Id="13829" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="@wizzwizz4 - This isnt about the law this asking about a moral or logical judgement" CreationDate="2017-10-07T13:07:08.023" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13831" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings It's illegal to not employ the convicted felon because the person is a convicted felon. Therefore the user is not correct that the convicted felon should not have been employed, assuming that the person is otherwise suitable." CreationDate="2017-10-07T14:59:01.497" UserId="49123" />
  <row Id="13832" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="@wizzwizz4 and that is where the problem is here.  People want to opine about how bad the OP is for wanting the person gone." CreationDate="2017-10-07T15:56:18.727" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13833" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Does that mean that it's off-topic?" CreationDate="2017-10-07T16:34:55.883" UserId="49123" />
  <row Id="13834" PostId="4835" Score="0" Text="@Wizzwizz4 - That answer is not constructive, so it doesnt belong here... So its a conundrum here, the question is potentially acceptable but the community is having difficulty with restrianing itself from repeatedly and intentionally violating the be nice policy" CreationDate="2017-10-07T20:46:09.893" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13731" PostId="4836" Score="2" Text="*such as calling out the OP on his plan to get the coworker fired*  - If this violates the be nice policy it doesnt belong in the answer anyway... (For the record I support that answer as the best one even after edits)" CreationDate="2017-09-26T14:34:48.273" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13771" PostId="4836" Score="0" Text="Two comments on this. 1. Answers that now seem off topic can be edited to include a note like &quot;The question was edited from its original form in which the OP was searching punishment for the colleague. This answer was written before those edits and adresses the punishment aspect.&quot; 2. SE sites are not just for helping people out (and I think the OP gets sensible answers here), but to have a Q&amp;A repository. The current question fits fine into that." CreationDate="2017-09-30T15:57:43.917" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="13773" PostId="4836" Score="0" Text="The goal of having a Q&amp;A repository doesn't justify editing a question way beyond the original OP's intended question. Such a question can be created separately. Regardless of whether our goal is to help people or not, people come here to get help with their situation, not to contribute to a repository. There is no reason to link the question with a user account if it is just meant to be part of a repository." CreationDate="2017-09-30T16:13:33.770" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13741" PostId="4838" Score="2" Text="Good shot........" CreationDate="2017-09-27T22:22:05.073" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13742" PostId="4838" Score="1" Text="Yes good shot, given he asked a new question that is even more Troll than this one" CreationDate="2017-09-27T22:25:16.383" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13743" PostId="4838" Score="2" Text="Now I'm disapointed I miss the fun..." CreationDate="2017-09-28T06:52:27.993" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="13745" PostId="4839" Score="1" Text="I would guess the reason is the article in Hacker News..." CreationDate="2017-09-28T16:59:31.277" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13746" PostId="4839" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings got the Link of that?" CreationDate="2017-09-28T17:01:52.243" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13747" PostId="4839" Score="0" Text="It is worth noticing that both the Tickling and How to get fired posts were done by the same user, if I recall correctly from yesterday." CreationDate="2017-09-28T17:03:15.617" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13748" PostId="4839" Score="3" Text="@GrayCygnus https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14656945" CreationDate="2017-09-28T17:05:17.650" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13749" PostId="4839" Score="0" Text="Didn't realize that happened just 3 months ago, though it was longer given the age of that post." CreationDate="2017-09-28T17:07:48.497" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13760" PostId="4839" Score="1" Text="related: [Why was this question about handling the fallout of a crass joke deleted?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4414/168)" CreationDate="2017-09-29T05:51:52.660" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13769" PostId="4839" Score="6" Text="The fact they are coming from brand new accounts can also be attributed to wanting to maintain some anonymity.  I work for a fairly small company, and it wouldn't take more than three details about any individual in a question to identify them if you know who I am to begin with, and I (obviously) don't obfuscate my identity." CreationDate="2017-09-29T15:12:39.697" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="13780" PostId="4839" Score="0" Text="At the time of this comment there are 28 different questions marked as On Hold/Closed/Duplicate on the main page of the site, and 26 on the &quot;Newest Questions&quot; section. Is this part of the same trolling streak? I find it very weird that the majority of questions posted on the site are not answerable" CreationDate="2017-10-02T07:19:37.427" UserId="59301" />
  <row Id="13782" PostId="4839" Score="3" Text="@BgrWorker - &quot;I find it very weird that the majority of questions posted on the site are not answerable&quot; - those questions have been closed for a variety of reasons not related to trolling. On this site there is a tendency to quickly judge questions and close many. For good or for bad, this percentage of closed questions on the main page isn't unusual." CreationDate="2017-10-02T15:16:14.687" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13750" PostId="4840" Score="6" Text="&quot;we all have a little troll inside of us,&quot;  not true!  I have a great big HUUUUGE one with sharp and nasty teeth!" CreationDate="2017-09-28T17:36:31.320" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13751" PostId="4840" Score="1" Text="Maybe you can scare the lesser troll away then ;)" CreationDate="2017-09-28T17:42:13.590" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13764" PostId="4840" Score="0" Text="I suspect I already have done that to a few." CreationDate="2017-09-29T12:42:20.763" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13752" PostId="4841" Score="2" Text="You know, you so much remind me of the movie &quot;Catch Me If You Can&quot;. ;)" CreationDate="2017-09-28T18:02:02.653" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13753" PostId="4841" Score="2" Text="@MaskedMan the world is lucky that I do not use my powers for the forces of evil (anymore)" CreationDate="2017-09-28T18:23:03.997" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13754" PostId="4841" Score="6" Text="Oh I certainly trust the moderators to make the right decisions, but I also know that they can't be everywhere at once. I'm trying to figure out how we should be responding to these suspicious but not blatantly trolling questions in a way that doesn't make our moderators' lives more difficult." CreationDate="2017-09-28T18:34:32.223" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13761" PostId="4843" Score="1" Text="Thanks for sharing a little bit of the magic behind the curtains." CreationDate="2017-09-29T11:11:23.930" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13763" PostId="4843" Score="2" Text="inquiring minds want to know, is [Hans Moleman](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4410/whats-the-story-with-this-user?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1#comment11994_4410) back with us?" CreationDate="2017-09-29T12:23:22.897" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13770" PostId="4843" Score="3" Text="&quot;if a question is just straight up bad for the site I'm way less inclined to &quot;worry&quot; about whether it's a bad question or blatant trolling, too, as the end result is the same.&quot; - the end result of the *question* should be the same. But shouldn't the end result of the *account* be different? I assume we delete troll accounts?" CreationDate="2017-09-30T13:11:20.483" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13830" PostId="4843" Score="0" Text="By all means close questions that should be closed, but easier to reduce them in the first place. Many times I see a new account question from someone with a &quot;1&quot; Reputation, they ask their question and don't UpVote the correct answer - it's Hit &amp; Run and they take off Scott Free. Would it be good if Question Askers had answered one question and got one UpVote, and if they had the 'Read the Help File' Badge? That way they'd have an _investment_ in this Site instead of just being a taker. Easy for a Bot to have questions, very difficult to correlate correct answers - but _that_ would benefit us." CreationDate="2017-10-07T13:29:06.217" UserId="70590" />
  <row Id="14534" PostId="4843" Score="0" Text="You don't mention flagging, but you do mention that mods can look into this. Would flagging potential / likely / obvious trolling (or patterns of trolling) be appropriate?" CreationDate="2018-01-13T17:42:29.520" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13765" PostId="4844" Score="1" Text="Also for me, running IE11 on Windows 7.  It wasn't like this yesterday; I'm not sure when I started noticing it today." CreationDate="2017-09-29T12:44:59.203" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13766" PostId="4844" Score="0" Text="cross-site duplicate: [Alignment issue in the Flagging &gt; Closing &gt; Off-Topic section](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/289054/165773) (FWIW similar issues can be found in some other dialogs, these are side effects of particular recent change)" CreationDate="2017-09-29T14:04:31.347" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13767" PostId="4844" Score="0" Text="@gnat And now I don't see the issue anymore. Looks like maybe the fix finally made its way down the line?" CreationDate="2017-09-29T14:09:29.043" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13768" PostId="4844" Score="2" Text="given that developer is working on fixing this bug (and couple similar ones) right now it is entirely possible that fixed code has been just deployed, yes. Note that it's still possible for some users still see buggy old code due to [caching](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/caching)" CreationDate="2017-09-29T14:12:02.627" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13775" PostId="4846" Score="0" Text="Unclear what you are asking." CreationDate="2017-10-01T18:21:51.473" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13776" PostId="4846" Score="0" Text="Can you provide more details? Maybe a screenshot also." CreationDate="2017-10-01T18:23:07.000" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13778" PostId="4846" Score="2" Text="cross-site duplicate: [Why did I gain/lose reputation? Can I audit my reputation history?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/269653/839601)" CreationDate="2017-10-01T20:27:25.470" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13779" PostId="4846" Score="2" Text="https://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/48356/peter-david-carter?tab=reputation&amp;sort=time" CreationDate="2017-10-01T21:07:12.773" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13781" PostId="4846" Score="2" Text="'User was removed'  That one always sucks." CreationDate="2017-10-02T12:37:46.803" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13785" PostId="4847" Score="3" Text="As a suggestion, I have used this link in the past to see a more detailed dropdown of my rep changes and history: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/reputation" CreationDate="2017-10-02T15:28:02.077" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13786" PostId="4847" Score="2" Text="@GrayCygnus thanks -- didn't know about that one." CreationDate="2017-10-02T15:29:04.733" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13783" PostId="4848" Score="1" Text="This seems like a reasonable idea to me." CreationDate="2017-10-02T15:23:08.993" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13789" PostId="4848" Score="3" Text="Are you talking about the things that mods put on a post like &quot;We're looking for answers that...&quot;?" CreationDate="2017-10-02T15:59:55.473" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13790" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="@ChrisE I think that is a great way to implement the idea, if the system allows for it!" CreationDate="2017-10-02T16:00:26.217" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13791" PostId="4848" Score="5" Text="@ChrisE yes that is what I am proposing." CreationDate="2017-10-02T16:06:33.000" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13792" PostId="4848" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere - Questions that get flagged requesting the notice that the mods agree the post notice is approriate similar to the Long answers post notice." CreationDate="2017-10-02T16:07:28.013" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13793" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="Are the moderators able to add a customized message?" CreationDate="2017-10-02T16:10:43.583" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13794" PostId="4848" Score="1" Text="@MisterSortofPositive I think No, see this post, where they indicate there are 6 types of post notices: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/165006/what-are-these-notices-under-my-post" CreationDate="2017-10-02T16:47:56.343" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13795" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="Also found this post where they indicate *&quot;If we need any new notice types please raise it here - we can decide if we need a site specific one or a global one.&quot;* - https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/102363/support-for-banners" CreationDate="2017-10-02T16:49:42.043" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13797" PostId="4848" Score="3" Text="@GrayCygnus - Well I am hoping to get the support of this site before I make the post on meta.  Also would love to get a community buy in on the appropriate wording to suggest.  If the initial request gets shot down because the wording was bad.  Then a subsequent request will get shot down as a duplicate of the original request" CreationDate="2017-10-02T16:54:50.070" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13798" PostId="4848" Score="5" Text="It is possible to get a custom post notice for our site.  (Another site I moderate has one.)  SE needs to see community consensus behind a specific wording.  There's a length limit but I'm not sure what it is.  Since the Be Nice policy is *always* applicable, I think we'd want a wording that expresses that *this question in particular* is likely to be controversial/emotional/etc and so be extra-careful here." CreationDate="2017-10-02T17:38:56.060" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13799" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="Agreed with @MonicaCellio. I think we also need to show why this would be helpful *in addition to* the already existing Locked post reason (*&quot;This post has been locked due to the high amount of off-topic comments generated. For extended discussions, please use chat.&quot;*) The argument could be made that if a post is garnering Not Nice commentary, then it should just be locked to let people cool off." CreationDate="2017-10-02T17:45:08.690" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13800" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - Thank you I updated the question to include those important details." CreationDate="2017-10-02T17:50:24.107" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13801" PostId="4848" Score="2" Text="One downside of locking a post is that it prevents changes of any kind -- including close and delete votes and edits. Sometimes we want to keep those actions available.  (There's a longstanding feature request on Meta.SE to be able to *just* lock comments.)" CreationDate="2017-10-02T17:57:07.207" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13802" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't bother to create a post notice for a question *anticipating* problems. Once it becomes a problem, *then* a moderator could craft a post appropriate for that particular question, and move offending comments elsewhere and/or delete them. Is there some particular need to create a &quot;standard&quot; post notice? Rather than craft one tailored for the question at hand each time?" CreationDate="2017-10-02T17:58:41.747" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13803" PostId="4848" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere - Because there is no ability for the mods to add an adhoc post notice.  And SE is incredibly unlikely to add that IMO.  But feel free to add that as an answer to why not" CreationDate="2017-10-02T18:12:58.457" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13804" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings - it's unfortunate. I think folks tune out &quot;standardized&quot; notices pretty quickly, while adhoc notices could potentially be more relevant and attract attention. Oh well." CreationDate="2017-10-02T18:26:59.713" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13805" PostId="4848" Score="2" Text="Yeah, we've asked for the ability to pin a comment (making it always visible and prominent), which would allow for ad-hoc messages, but we don't have that either.  Sometimes I even resort to asking a couple people to update my &quot;Moderator note: ...&quot; comment just to get it &quot;above the fold&quot;.  Anyway, ad-hoc notices aren't possible; comments are the best we can do there; comments help some but have problems too." CreationDate="2017-10-02T18:30:50.987" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13808" PostId="4848" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere I've found post notices to be a rare enough occurence that I always to see which one it is. And because they're never ad-hoc, reading 3 words is enough to jog your memory about why they put it up." CreationDate="2017-10-03T06:54:05.793" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="13809" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio speaking of comment-only lock, my understanding of [this SE team report](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/291032/165773) is that it's &quot;on wait list to get built&quot;" CreationDate="2017-10-03T08:45:28.533" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13810" PostId="4848" Score="0" Text="@gnat correct, but we have no idea how long that wait will be." CreationDate="2017-10-03T12:47:17.037" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15341" PostId="4848" Score="2" Text="I posted some stats on the effectiveness of this feature on [meta Philosophy](https://philosophy.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3671/73)." CreationDate="2018-05-18T19:38:00.520" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="13811" PostId="4849" Score="1" Text="I realize this came from my (off-the-cuff) comment, but I think we can just say &quot;sensitive&quot; instead of &quot;sensitive/emotional&quot;.  Also, I had no idea post notices could include images; where did you see that?" CreationDate="2017-10-03T14:07:19.353" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13812" PostId="4849" Score="1" Text="I personally think the icon looks clunky, but that's just my subjective opinion." CreationDate="2017-10-03T14:59:31.573" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13813" PostId="4849" Score="0" Text="Yeah it looks clunky, I did it in 3 minutes. *If* an icon is to be used a more fit option should be included." CreationDate="2017-10-03T15:10:54.300" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13814" PostId="4849" Score="2" Text="You shouldn't call a *post* sensitive, call a topic or an issue sensitive. I'm also not sure you can reference both questions and answers in the same notice. I wouldn't put that notice on a question where an abuse victim is asking for help because a former abuser was just hired at their office..." CreationDate="2017-10-03T15:14:16.283" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13816" PostId="4849" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I saw that in the [Handling Current Events](https://skeptics.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/549/handling-current-events) post from Skeptics SE. In some cases, I sumulate an edit, or see the revisions to see what the raw markup is to be used, in this case I think is the `!` before the icon. I am going to include in the answer the raw version of it if it helps." CreationDate="2017-10-03T15:15:33.117" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13817" PostId="4849" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal oops yeah, *topics* are sensitive, not posts.  And yes we need to think about application to both questions and answers; we're not going to get two different variants of a new post notice." CreationDate="2017-10-03T15:17:32.497" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13818" PostId="4849" Score="0" Text="@GrayCygnus oh, it was part of the proposal.  I'm not sure it got implemented that way, though -- I don't have an easy way to find instances in the wild on Skeptics.  Have you seen a real live post notice with a graphic in it?" CreationDate="2017-10-03T15:18:25.513" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13820" PostId="4849" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio now that you mention it No, I haven't seen one that I recall ... going to do some rewording based on your and Lilienthal's suggestions." CreationDate="2017-10-03T15:21:12.467" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13815" PostId="4850" Score="2" Text="I wish I could bounty in meta" CreationDate="2017-10-03T15:14:22.923" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13819" PostId="4850" Score="3" Text="I think the Be Nice policy should be mentioned in the post notice, as is something of importance and that was discussed earlier." CreationDate="2017-10-03T15:19:33.027" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13821" PostId="4850" Score="3" Text="Agreed with @GrayCygnus. Maybe just a simple &quot;And as always, please remember to [Be Nice](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice).&quot;" CreationDate="2017-10-03T16:38:22.820" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13827" PostId="4851" Score="0" Text="Perhaps insert a comment politely asking the users to move along? That's what I do, doesn't always work though." CreationDate="2017-10-05T10:41:50.897" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13823" PostId="4852" Score="0" Text="Good advice.  I was thinking more of a stream of obviously rude ones as opposed to inferred insult" CreationDate="2017-10-04T21:22:52.053" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13824" PostId="4852" Score="1" Text="Yep. It's worth noting that if a comment is bad enough, there are keywords that allow flags to auto delete it without mod intervention and I believe that if enough rude/abusive flags hit it an autodelete happens." CreationDate="2017-10-04T22:28:16.437" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13825" PostId="4853" Score="4" Text="This isn't how SE works, and would be an absolute nightmare to implement, as well as drastically reduce the number of positive new users without saving the time or energy wasted on dealing with negative new users." CreationDate="2017-10-05T04:03:56.923" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="13826" PostId="4853" Score="7" Text="We already have the first post review queue, not quite the same, as the post is still allowed on the main site, but that helps with catching the obvious I've just created this account for making a bad question" CreationDate="2017-10-05T07:44:07.397" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="13851" PostId="4853" Score="2" Text="That doesn't scale well at all. I can't even imagine how horrible that would be to implement on a site like Stack Overflow that gets thousands of questions per day. We already have the late answers and first posts queue, plus various moderation bots that monitor SE for potentially bad content." CreationDate="2017-10-11T20:57:48.327" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="13836" PostId="4855" Score="4" Text="If your answer is materially different, then you should answer. It's just a suggestion not a mandate." CreationDate="2017-10-07T23:38:49.073" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13837" PostId="4855" Score="3" Text="no! negative score answers should indeed count heavier for such a warning, because these indicate that question tends to attract problematic answers. I'd rather loosen it for opposite case, when there are only answers with solid positive score (the latter is merely a dream because positive score in hot questions [doesn't correlate with quality](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4776/168))" CreationDate="2017-10-08T07:12:45.713" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13838" PostId="4855" Score="0" Text="No, I think it is fine the way it is. I would look at your situation differently: hypothetically let's say that the question can have only two good answers. (Yeah, I know we cannot determine the &quot;maximum good answers&quot; for a question, but this is hypothetical.) Now 2 good answers were already given and someone attempted a 3rd answer, which turned out to be bad (because we have exceeded the &quot;maximum good answers&quot; threshold). The system warns you against piling on with what it suspects is likely to be another bad answer. ..." CreationDate="2017-10-08T07:47:46.453" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13839" PostId="4855" Score="0" Text="Of course, the system is not &quot;intelligent&quot; enough to think that way, and it certainly cannot analyze the quality of an as yet unwritten answer, so it has to rely on heuristics. It turns out that the bright minds at StackExchange (rightly or wrongly) decided that the maximum good answers threshold is 2, regardless of the question, and unless they change their mind, they are always right and we are wrong. ..." CreationDate="2017-10-08T07:51:34.283" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13840" PostId="4855" Score="2" Text="Nonetheless, that warning is [mostly useless anyway](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=votes) especially when question hits HNQ, as plenty of folks [join the answering bandwagon](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4208/3192) despite the &quot;warning&quot;." CreationDate="2017-10-08T07:57:57.117" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13841" PostId="4855" Score="0" Text="Seems reasonable. Or just feel free to ignore the warning. Many do." CreationDate="2017-10-08T12:16:55.573" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13842" PostId="4855" Score="0" Text="@gnat thanks for weighing in; your stance was definitely *not* what I was expecting!  The angle I'm coming from is that we want good answers on questions, and don't want to even lightly discourage answers on a question which needs them.  Unfortunately, answer votes are the only metric we have." CreationDate="2017-10-08T16:01:05.817" UserId="77515" />
  <row Id="13843" PostId="4855" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I'm not sure I'm expressing myself properly.  My problem is that if a question has answers with counts (2,1,-1) the system says &quot;Ha!  Already has three answers, who needs more?&quot;, when it *should* be saying, &quot;(2,1,irrelevant)...  I guess that's only 2 good answers, let's squeeze one more in and hope it's good.&quot;  This is all told a minor thing, but wanted to lay it out there for people to chew on." CreationDate="2017-10-08T16:04:50.470" UserId="77515" />
  <row Id="13844" PostId="4855" Score="0" Text="@akaioi Your point was clear to me. Anyway, the banner says &quot;This question has more than two answers already&quot;, not &quot;This question has more than two *good* answers already&quot;. The supergeniuses at Stack Exchange have already decided that once a question gets 3 answers, even if *all 3* are rubbish, someone trying to post a 4th answer is to be treated with suspicion, because obviously the first 3 people who happened to answer the question know everything about the topic. Feel free to write a post on the main meta site and be &quot;enlightened&quot; as to why you are wrong and it is not even worth discussing." CreationDate="2017-10-08T17:19:25.053" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13845" PostId="4855" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan [this](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2562/168) would probably work. As opposed to that toothless warning. &quot;additional UI allowing me to review each of previous answers individually prior to posting my own...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-10-08T19:50:36.597" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13848" PostId="4855" Score="0" Text="Ignore the warning, everyone else does." CreationDate="2017-10-09T17:56:30.147" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13849" PostId="4855" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan this is a feature request ... is this IPWP-meta not the place to post such?  Or are there some requests which can be evaluated (maybe even effected) here and some which need to go to SE proper?  I find myself furrowing my brow to the point my monocle is pinching..." CreationDate="2017-10-09T18:01:26.333" UserId="77515" />
  <row Id="13853" PostId="4857" Score="1" Text="That one's not triggering alarm bells for me, for whatever reason. Maybe just because it seems like something completely possible from an over-zealous manager." CreationDate="2017-10-12T12:38:03.910" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13854" PostId="4857" Score="1" Text="@DavidK I would add that even in case if this is really troll, it is likely different from previous ones. They look much less experienced than prior trolls who likely understood how to push their questions into [hot list](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/hot-questions) and exploit that hype. As opposed to them, poster of &quot;harass&quot; question apparently is not aware that word &quot;sexual&quot; in the title will block their question from getting into hot list and therefore goes against the goal of getting attention" CreationDate="2017-10-12T13:18:52.710" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13855" PostId="4857" Score="1" Text="@gnat agreed.  This doesn't look like a troll to me.  It looks like someone just not knowing what to do." CreationDate="2017-10-12T13:45:19.517" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13856" PostId="4858" Score="1" Text="[MSE FAQ](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/58035/165773) says - &quot;Abuse of the system or community is everything that is created with the intention to harm them&quot; and I doubt that what you describe is a clear cut fit for this. Poster of such comment could argue that their intent was not abuse but help readers see the right way. [&quot;No longer needed&quot;](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/298511/165773) option looks like a safer bet" CreationDate="2017-10-12T14:01:30.117" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13857" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="@gnat isn't undermining an answer harmful?" CreationDate="2017-10-12T14:14:49.583" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13858" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="possibly (and I personally tend to think it is), but as long as one can convincingly argue that this was not their intent, flagging it as abusive will likely fail. &quot;Oh no how could you think I wanted to harm, I only wanted to help I swear blah blah...&quot;" CreationDate="2017-10-12T14:18:19.487" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13859" PostId="4858" Score="6" Text="This is a terrible question., what you should have asked is XYZ." CreationDate="2017-10-12T14:23:38.773" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13860" PostId="4858" Score="5" Text="@SnarkShark I kinda walked into that one, didn't I?" CreationDate="2017-10-12T14:30:05.090" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13861" PostId="4858" Score="2" Text="I can't resist an open door I'm afraid...." CreationDate="2017-10-12T14:33:47.283" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13862" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="Part of the problem is those low rep users are encouraged to comment when they downvote." CreationDate="2017-10-12T14:38:48.793" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13863" PostId="4858" Score="1" Text="@ChrisE I'm wondering if anyone even understands what constructive criticism is these days" CreationDate="2017-10-12T14:54:45.323" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13864" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="I am flagging all of @SnarkShark comments" CreationDate="2017-10-12T15:20:43.240" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="13867" PostId="4858" Score="1" Text="@ChrisE - in fact, many question/answer writers publicly *beg* for comments when encountering a downvote." CreationDate="2017-10-12T16:27:18.663" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13868" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere true. and in those cases, they get what they deserve. But the comments should be constructive and rarely are. There have been **many** times I've reconsidered a take I had on something or left out and then added it based on comments.  That's what's asked for, not &quot;-1 this is just bad.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-10-12T16:39:39.137" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13878" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere then you have that nonsensical debate on my answer to the not the new bar question where there's a raging debate over whether or not change is good." CreationDate="2017-10-12T19:47:51.847" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13879" PostId="4858" Score="0" Text="From my experience this is not so much a trend as simply something that's always been a bit of an issue with SE, particularly for highly popular (HNQ) questions. But I follow Joe and Monica's answers below that these don't warrant R/A flags as those have very specific requirements and much greater consequences." CreationDate="2017-10-13T10:39:14.073" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13865" PostId="4860" Score="5" Text="&quot;I wish comments had down votes specifically for these circumstances. I don't really understand why comment voting is unidirectional.&quot; - This is a really good question. I found the Meta SE post [Allow Downvoting Comments](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3615/allow-downvoting-comments), which is *quite* old but seems that other folks think this could be useful. Maybe time to reconsider?" CreationDate="2017-10-12T15:21:35.007" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13866" PostId="4860" Score="0" Text="@GrayCygnus - I prefer not to tilt at windmills. Most of the replies to that question supported the idea of comment downvotes. But that was all many years ago and no comment voting has been implemented. Oh well - another change request unfulfilled." CreationDate="2017-10-12T16:25:47.980" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13869" PostId="4860" Score="0" Text="Some people argued that then comments would have to give/take rep... but I think that DV could be implemented without having to take or give rep, just as a signpost of the general opinion of the comment. But yeah, seems like a tough job to try blow air at those windmills." CreationDate="2017-10-12T16:44:10.600" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13875" PostId="4860" Score="0" Text="@GrayCygnus given that comments can't be edited (as opposed to questions and answers) votes down on these would fail to serve one of their most important (maybe the most important) goals of improving content (a while ago I wrote about this [at MSE](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/171729/165773))" CreationDate="2017-10-12T18:13:12.760" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13876" PostId="4860" Score="0" Text="@gnat well, one could delete the Downvoted comment and then post another one with improved content. Still DV-ing does not necessary improve content, as some people dont provide feedback or others just ignore the DV. Comments are more useful for improving comments than just voting on the post." CreationDate="2017-10-12T18:16:12.630" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13870" PostId="4861" Score="5" Text="I think not. You may be right that comments (for you, but others use them in less constructive ways) are a way of saying &quot;The answer above has problems ...&quot; but that is not the actual use of comments (they are for clarification purposes, not Debunking). If you feel that way **you would do more good to the community by posting an answer with your alternatives**. Answers or alternatives should not go on comments, as they can be deleted or lost in the dropdown. Commenting answers/alternatives on answers gives place to more tangential comments." CreationDate="2017-10-12T16:52:51.440" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13892" PostId="4861" Score="0" Text="Are you really suggesting that you shouldn't &quot;debunk&quot; or point out the flaws of an answer in a comment?  Aren't you pointing out what you believe to be the flaws in my answer?" CreationDate="2017-10-15T04:57:16.270" UserId="40557" />
  <row Id="13871" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="&quot;Leave constructive criticism that guides the author in improving the post;&quot; - if I had to guess, most folks who leave a comment would cite this as their justification." CreationDate="2017-10-12T17:14:55.567" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13872" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="The &quot;constructive&quot; word is key here. If it is not is therefore unnecessary or even rude. Also, the post also states to refrain from commenting if you want to &quot;Suggest corrections&quot;, and it clearly states that one should answer if one has an alternate solution." CreationDate="2017-10-12T17:16:49.253" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13873" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="&quot;The &quot;constructive&quot; word is key here.&quot; - Yup. And &quot;constructive&quot; is in the eye of the beholder. What one might view as &quot;constructive criticism&quot; another might view as &quot;rude or abusive&quot;. That's why *someone* will have to arbitrate and make a decision if the comment is flagged. I prefer to err on the side of fewer flags whenever possible to avoid burdening the moderators." CreationDate="2017-10-12T17:21:39.203" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13874" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="... back again to why comments should have DV or similar, so they could be automatically handled when they reach low numbers :/ but yes someone should arbitrate that, and I think that should be The Community along with Mods. I also feel the same as you, and it does not feel so good to burden mods with tons of flags, but I think (just a guess, though) even Mods will prefer to be full of flags than the Network going frenzy on some posts." CreationDate="2017-10-12T17:28:37.697" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13877" PostId="4862" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere from the other day, I think it would be quite the stretch to say it was constructive that apologizing to a manager is dangerous and would literally lead to mass shootings and that you'd vote -2 if you could." CreationDate="2017-10-12T19:34:08.220" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13891" PostId="4864" Score="2" Text="cross-site duplicate: [Dreaded error: “Stack Overflow requires external JavaScript from another domain, which is blocked or failed to load”](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/188125/165773)" CreationDate="2017-10-14T21:51:49.867" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="13880" PostId="4865" Score="1" Text="Yes, as I explained in the post I refreshed and it went away. But seems to solve the problem temporarily... seems to be inherent to the Internet connectivity right?" CreationDate="2017-10-13T19:17:54.450" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13881" PostId="4865" Score="2" Text="@GrayCygnus it's a connectivity/timeout problem" CreationDate="2017-10-13T19:28:34.007" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="13882" PostId="4865" Score="1" Text="Yes, it's internet connectivity" CreationDate="2017-10-13T19:45:47.757" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13883" PostId="4867" Score="1" Text="Hopefully there isn't a situation where there are 10+ edits at the same time." CreationDate="2017-10-13T22:07:44.140" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13884" PostId="4867" Score="0" Text="Well, now that we don't gain rep from them we can no longer &quot;abuse edits&quot; to farm rep. However, 2k+ users must be more careful when editing and when you do do it thorough to avoid spamming edits. Anyways, I think one could roll back those edits if they were conflictive." CreationDate="2017-10-13T22:09:19.803" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13885" PostId="4867" Score="0" Text="IMHO, FWIW, WADR, *both* of those edits look unnecessary to me. The answer has a grand total of 4 sentences. Even on my *mobile* browser, that fits on about 1/3rd of the screen. Not sure if splitting it into 2 paragraphs and emphasizing 3 words out of 60-odd made it much more readable." CreationDate="2017-10-14T08:37:35.353" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13886" PostId="4867" Score="0" Text="What is WADR? @ICanHazUpvotzPleez the answer whas a wall of text, I separated it and emphasized on the suggestion. I am on a crusade against walls of text" CreationDate="2017-10-14T13:48:24.840" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13887" PostId="4867" Score="1" Text="@GrayCygnus WADR = With All Due Respect :) I *also* hate wall of text, but in this case, I didn't think it qualified as a wall of text. It was just 4 sentences and about 60 words. Even on a mobile browser, I could read it without straining my brain too much. Anyway, YMMV, let us leave it at that. :)" CreationDate="2017-10-14T14:05:13.400" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13890" PostId="4867" Score="0" Text="@GrayCygnus when and what is this “edit abuse”?" CreationDate="2017-10-14T21:15:52.933" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13893" PostId="4867" Score="0" Text="@Frank FYC Edit abuse is making trivial edits just to collect the 2 points. It is a form of repwhoring, but that can only be done until you have 2000 reputation." CreationDate="2017-10-15T08:18:39.903" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13894" PostId="4867" Score="0" Text="I see... slow way to claim those reps." CreationDate="2017-10-15T08:24:48.977" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13895" PostId="4867" Score="0" Text="@FrankFYC well, on other sites where rep is harder to get (SO) those edit rep serves good (still one should not abuse). 2k+ can no longer &quot;abuse&quot; because they no longer gain rep from it." CreationDate="2017-10-15T16:44:55.320" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13888" PostId="4868" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your feedback, I had never experienced such problem. I guess my internet service was not optimal yesterday, so I suppose that was part of the problem." CreationDate="2017-10-14T18:57:10.693" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13889" PostId="4868" Score="1" Text="@GrayCygnus - could be. A while back I had issues with a particular website (not this one) for a few days. Turns out one of the domains that housed some of their javascripts was suffering a Denial of Service attack. They brought the scripts in-house and the problem went away." CreationDate="2017-10-14T19:55:16.207" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13904" PostId="4869" Score="0" Text="I can't find your original question either, which suggests it might have been deleted." CreationDate="2017-10-16T08:12:31.010" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="13906" PostId="4869" Score="0" Text="&quot;Nothing but a useless rant&quot; (brisk, not rude) actually tells you what's wrong. The reply &quot;Nothing but a useless comment&quot; is not rude either but it doesn't help; going down that path would quickly devolve into back-and-forth retorts that don't lead anywhere. I'm not in favor of removing comments (the voting system is sufficient to hide irrelevant ones) but Workplace is famous for arbitrarily deleting them." CreationDate="2017-10-16T08:22:57.220" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="13909" PostId="4869" Score="2" Text="Related: [What “comments” are not . . .](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not)" CreationDate="2017-10-16T08:34:02.920" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="13911" PostId="4869" Score="4" Text="I agree that the question was 99% rant. The only real &quot;question&quot; part was &quot;So there you have it, I still have to see this guy everyday, but ever since then he's been hovering around me, what does that mean? Is he going to try something else again?&quot; - nothing there can really be answered. That said I think a comment like &quot;Nothing but a useless rant&quot; should have been purged along with the &quot;Nothing but a useless comment&quot; part. Downvote and Close the question, then get rid of all the comments, IMHO." CreationDate="2017-10-16T11:42:58.233" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13912" PostId="4869" Score="3" Text="@PontBlanc Have you tried flagging that comment?" CreationDate="2017-10-16T11:45:40.997" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13914" PostId="4869" Score="0" Text="@PontBlanc so .. did you read the link I provided? :) I was only trying to help and make you a more knowledgeable user of this site, so you can get quality answers and help." CreationDate="2017-10-16T17:29:25.770" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13939" PostId="4869" Score="0" Text="I have noticed a penchant for deleting some comments, but not others dependent it seems on who made them rather than purely on content. But always put it down to cultural differences. In this case I reckon both comments should have been deleted, starting with the rant one." CreationDate="2017-10-20T08:58:58.150" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13907" PostId="4870" Score="2" Text="@PontBlanc Paparazzi's comment was a bit curt and would have benefited from being a bit more verbose but it doesn't come off as bullying or a violation of &quot;Be Nice&quot;, it was an explanation as to why your post wasn't being well received - It was a rant not a question. You **could** rework it into something which is a [suitable format for this site](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask), your edit to the post shows you can probably do that and make something useful out of it **or** you can carry on having a snit in the comments and here on meta." CreationDate="2017-10-16T08:24:48.653" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="13902" PostId="4871" Score="0" Text="You do realise that &quot;he started it&quot; doesn't really ever work? And especially not when everyone but you disagrees that the other person actually started anything at all? And I'm not sure why you think mods were involved here: all the comments and some of the deletions on your original post came from community users, not moderators. I highly suggest that you take a break to calm down because wild claims about hive minds and bullies are far from productive." CreationDate="2017-10-16T07:11:42.757" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13905" PostId="4871" Score="1" Text="If everybody except you sees the same thing, there are only two possibilities: __everyone__ on this site is wrong, or you are wrong. Given that this is a user-governed network, technically it doesn't even matter which of the two it is, because the end result will be the same either way." CreationDate="2017-10-16T08:15:06.660" UserId="38458" />
  <row Id="13908" PostId="4871" Score="0" Text="On Workplace comments are pretty much temporary or volatile. They could disappear at any moment. The ideas is to put your actual text into your question and/or answers; when people start vandalising your QA's then you might start to talk about bullying, but that is not happening here." CreationDate="2017-10-16T08:32:12.970" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="13913" PostId="4871" Score="0" Text="&quot;Not only that, someone actually came on there and told me my comment keeps getting removed because it was 'rude' and 'did not contribute'&quot; - that must have been me @PontBlanc I took the time to explain to you why your comment was being removed, as you seemed confused about it, so you could improve your experience in this site. I also said so hoping that you will get the message, and refrain from trying to repost an unnecessary comment. In the future, I suggest you take a break or a walk before posting questions here, so you can vent out your frustration and post constructive questions." CreationDate="2017-10-16T17:27:43.143" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13915" PostId="4873" Score="1" Text="Thank you. I agree with this 100%. I would have written an answer like this myself, but didn't have the energy to fight off the comment-storm that would follow." CreationDate="2017-10-16T18:10:23.647" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="13916" PostId="4873" Score="1" Text="&quot;*I would have deleted that*&quot; To be clear, I'd have done the same. It's unnecessarily harsh and dismissive which often makes these comments counter-productive as it leads to people becoming defensive. But I do disagree with the OP that this constitutes an outright insult, which seems to have been the cornerstone for his follow-up responses and his post here." CreationDate="2017-10-16T21:09:34.820" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13917" PostId="4873" Score="0" Text="I would upvote, if new users were allowed to do so. But you have a manual upvote anyways" CreationDate="2017-10-16T23:15:16.340" UserId="76995" />
  <row Id="13922" PostId="4874" Score="2" Text="Why even ask? It's an anonymous user that turned cent into percent which is a drastic and unsubstantiated change. Just roll that back if you see it. I've just adjusted it." CreationDate="2017-10-17T06:25:18.447" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13924" PostId="4874" Score="2" Text="I thought the edit was approved by 2 other people, so I wasn't sure if reverting it was the right thing to do." CreationDate="2017-10-17T06:53:41.273" UserId="32814" />
  <row Id="13926" PostId="4874" Score="4" Text="Suggested edits are usually viewed in isolation. Reviewers likely assumed that the OP clarified it was a percentage in the comments when he didn't. Edits aren't supposed to unilaterally change details and people rarely submit such edits so it's not abnormal that this was approved. But when you see the full context of the question and realise that an anonymous(!) user adjusted this based on zero evidence it's fine to just revert that. Raising it on meta is fine but usually overkill. You can also ask in [chat] for stuff like this if you're not sure but don't want to create a full meta post." CreationDate="2017-10-17T08:07:07.863" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13927" PostId="4874" Score="3" Text="The raise doesn't appear to have any impact whatsoever on the question or the answers, so I removed that part. The mentions of promotion and turnover rate can arguably be removed too." CreationDate="2017-10-17T10:13:51.287" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13928" PostId="4876" Score="0" Text="Good question. I recall that even if a mod or someone with Dupe Hammer (Gold tag badge) closes a question as  dupe it still can go through the reopening voting process. I also recall that yes, Community is not a person, but is still a Mod, and also takes all reputation gains and losses from Anon and Community Posts." CreationDate="2017-10-18T23:07:33.647" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13929" PostId="4876" Score="1" Text="Maybe sometimes OPs are wrong?  I know I've seen OPs move their questions to other sites on the basis of one comment suggesting it, even if that move isn't actually a good idea.  New users are probably more likely to follow guidance on dupes/migrations/etc, even when the advice is bad, because they don't always know enough to spot *and articulate* the counter-argument.  I'm just guessing." CreationDate="2017-10-19T00:39:56.100" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13934" PostId="4876" Score="0" Text="This usually revolves around SE embracing the &quot;[death of the author](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DeathOfTheAuthor)&quot; concept." CreationDate="2017-10-19T09:16:30.967" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13942" PostId="4876" Score="1" Text="Is this a feature request in disguise? It can be reopened because it's closed. Is there currently any way to close a question such that it can't be reopened? Users also can't delete their own questions under a lot of circumstances." CreationDate="2017-10-20T20:11:01.833" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="13943" PostId="4876" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately, SE software is perfect and they don't like anyone finding faults with their &quot;sound design principles&quot; so nothing is going to change per se, but purely from a theoretical standpoint, it makes sense to get rid of the option for OP to close their question as duplicate without &quot;community consensus&quot;. By leaving the door open to reopen a question, we concede that it is possible the OP's decision to close the question was not correct, so why bother making a special allowance for the OP? Let duplicates be always marked by community consensus." CreationDate="2017-10-20T20:22:26.547" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13944" PostId="4876" Score="1" Text="@dukeling no, I'm not that subtle. Yes, something can be closed and not reopened as I understand it, such as when a moderator does it. Then it becomes locked as I understand it also." CreationDate="2017-10-20T21:08:25.110" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="13976" PostId="4876" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling *&quot;Is there currently any way to close a question such that it can't be reopened?&quot;* Yes; or at least, something close to it. It's called locking. A question (and all of its answers) can be locked by a moderator, which prevents editing, answering, voting, commenting, and just about everything else except reading. A locked question can be unlocked by a moderator, or the lock can be set to time out after some predetermined amount of time; the latter can be used in case of &quot;edit wars&quot; or content disputes, typically accompanied by a Meta post to hash things out." CreationDate="2017-10-24T13:59:57.780" UserId="294" />
  <row Id="13977" PostId="4876" Score="0" Text="@MichaelKjörling I know about locking, I was basically just saying making it unable to be reopened in this case would probably make it the only exception to the rule. Perhaps an exception here makes sense, but I wouldn't expect SE to necessarily have spent a lot of time considering whether this should be an exception, thus there might not be a good answer to the why it is the way it is. Most posts I've seen that were closed by mods weren't also locked." CreationDate="2017-10-24T14:24:28.073" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14181" PostId="4876" Score="1" Text="&quot;There's no point in editing it so it's not a duplicate because apparently the OP is satisfied that his question is answered in the linked question.&quot; - in general, I would tend to agree. But the prevailing sentiment of The Workplace seems to be that the OP doesn't &quot;own&quot; the question, the community does. That's why major edits can happen, and why the OP's opinion on their own question is no more important than anyone else's." CreationDate="2017-11-18T21:47:49.410" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13930" PostId="4877" Score="1" Text="So, you edited the Question for you to be able to answer it? Seeing your edit I notice the post is better now, but the question you rephrased is IMO still Company Specific." CreationDate="2017-10-19T01:59:25.053" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13933" PostId="4877" Score="2" Text="How is this anything but a list question though? The reasons why they restrict wifi are varied and many and none of that has any practical use to someone facing a lack of wifi access as far as I can tell." CreationDate="2017-10-19T09:14:56.593" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13938" PostId="4877" Score="0" Text="Basically the only bit really answerable is building a business case. The rest is company specific. No idea what the bribaery rubbish is all about. Anyone tried to bribe me with food would find themselves under investigation. Any IT who would break company policy or protocols for a donut is not a professional." CreationDate="2017-10-19T22:47:35.000" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="13941" PostId="4880" Score="2" Text="Why the downvote? This is the correct answer. The SE guys really did not think this through.  On the one hand, they say we build a repository of Q&amp;A to be useful for &quot;future readers&quot; (not just the OP), and then they also give additional importance to &quot;does the suggested duplicate solve the OP's problem&quot;. It has to be one or the other, and they are pretty inconsistent as to whether the OP is special or not, with respect to &quot;future readers&quot;. What if the OP's problem is solved by the linked duplicate, but &quot;future readers&quot; don't think so?" CreationDate="2017-10-20T16:52:22.700" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13992" PostId="4880" Score="0" Text="I am not sure it was like that from the beginning, maybe it's just to spare some close votes of the others people where there is very likely no need to waste more close votes for something that has 0.01% probability to need to be reopened." CreationDate="2017-10-25T13:14:01.590" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="13998" PostId="4880" Score="1" Text="@Walfrat The thing is ... why should I get a close-hammer just because I was the author of the question. Maybe I *think* the suggested duplicate solves my problem, but it actually doesn't. Anyway, that is not even relevant." CreationDate="2017-10-25T17:21:43.933" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13954" PostId="4884" Score="1" Text="Most sites follow SOFU's policy implicitly if it is not otherwise stated. The posts you linked already give good reasons why English." CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:27:26.197" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13955" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="So it would appear the Workplace's policy is English. Noted. Shouldn't this be documented in the help center? Also, what is SOFU? Stack Overflow _ _?" CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:28:38.247" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13956" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="StackOverflow/ServerFault/SuperUser = SOFU.. or The Trinity Sites (sorry for the jargon)." CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:31:28.260" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13957" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="I see. Well it stands to reason that a person who is in my position wouldn't know that there is an &quot;implicit&quot; policy if it isn't &quot;explicitly&quot; stated. Thus the question!" CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:32:38.837" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13958" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="I don't know if it should be documented more. As I said it is usually implicit so no need to specify, *unless* the preferred language were not English. It is more efficient and non-redundant to specify the sites where English is not oficial (few of them) than specifying those that are (a lot), don't you think?" CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:34:21.583" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13959" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="Also if you go into a site and see all posts in English one can deduce that all posts should be in English. A funny exception is the English Language Learners, where I think I have seen mixed languages (sometimes Questions in English and answers in Spanish), if you care checking. Maybe they got more info on that on their Meta or Help section that can give you a better idea on this." CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:37:38.570" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13960" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="So a Chinese speaker, who is new to all SE's, would automatically know that asking a question in Chinese would be frowned upon? My claim is that someone who has 0 experience with SE (and in my case with some) may not know of an &quot;implicit&quot; policy if it isn't &quot;explicitly' stated. Like, &quot;We noticed that you are asking a question in [Language], the Workplace is a primarily [English] QA site and it would reach greater audience if you asked in [English]. Don't worry, even if you are not a native speaker, an experienced user will help you.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:38:33.757" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13961" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="Another way to frame it: in absence of an explicit policy. It is neigh-impossible to know the implicit policies. Having questions in English-only may raise the barrier of engagement for some users whose first language may not be English, or does not know English. At the same time, limit its relevance to foreign countries. Although I would agree with the SOFU policy, a Workplace policy hasn't been established explicitly or implicitly. With the latter being neigh impossible to confirm in absence of a consensus." CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:42:04.050" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13962" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="I see your point. Maybe that notice could help those users when confused. Maybe there are too few cases like that to justify such feature? MetaSE guys tend to go for really needed feature requests. Besides, there is already SO in Chinese lol... however being realistic I see that the Be Nice Post Notice we requested has more chances of being implemented than this one.." CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:43:00.837" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13963" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="I think I remember this subject being discussed some time ago... I am on mobile now (and laying on my bed) but maybe tomorrow I can search a bit about it, if I don't remember ping me on chat (the fellows at chat may also have something relevant to add here). In the meantime I suggest you read [this](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4824/73791) post where the English/non English matter is strongly related." CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:45:44.490" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13964" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="Look at https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=foreign%20language There is 0 discussion on the subject matter. Unless you are referring to https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3216/the-workplace-is-a-worldwide-site" CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:47:54.790" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13965" PostId="4884" Score="1" Text="Another thought: If posting on other languages were allowed, then only people who know that language will be able to answer, leaving the vast majority of users unable to post or get any benefit from that post." CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:50:04.263" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13966" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="Language experts can translate once a level of quality is reached. I.e. I ask a question in Chinese (flawless grammar and concise question). An answer is given in Chinese (great answer). After a certain level voting X, someone who is fluent in the language will have in the review bar to help translate the question to English. Rep of course is given to the translator." CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:51:30.250" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13967" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="Well Mr. Frank, we all know SE search option is not the best out there... lol... I do remember the subject being discussed before in a similar way, probably the Q title may not include those words" CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:51:40.803" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13968" PostId="4884" Score="1" Text="closest I found: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3216/the-workplace-is-a-worldwide-site" CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:52:09.817" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13969" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="&quot;Not everybody speaks English at a native level. Some posts will not be up to the level that fluent speakers are used to&quot;... there you go again. That implies that posts should be in English. And I think that the whole translation thing is too much to ask, it involves many things to consider and if the site has those users available... like I said, this most likely has been addressed before in part at least on MetaSE I can bet..." CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:55:20.923" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13970" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="I g2g, but that quote asks for sensitivity for the language barrier, it doesn't set policy that all questions should be in english. Hence my question. Should questions in foreign languages be allowed at all? If so, should they be encouraged?" CreationDate="2017-10-24T05:58:13.783" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13971" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="Ok, see you later, Ill try to answer tomorrow but surely others probably will say something like I said" CreationDate="2017-10-24T06:05:18.747" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="13972" PostId="4884" Score="3" Text="Why would we set up a policy simply for the sake of having one? I can't recall ever seeing a non-English question even appearing on this site. It's incredibly obvious that English is this site's core language. We have dozens of new people every week who post in English and put in a lot of effort to try and make their question clear even though it might be their third or fourth language. If they understand that their question should be in English what, exactly, is the problem you're trying to address?" CreationDate="2017-10-24T08:22:14.600" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13975" PostId="4884" Score="2" Text="nein, es würde zu viel Verwirrung verursachen" CreationDate="2017-10-24T13:05:59.607" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14012" PostId="4884" Score="1" Text="@FrankFYC I edited an explicit statement into that post; thanks for pointing out the omission and for raising the question.  SE policy across all sites *except* the language-specific sites is that the site language is English.  Now that's in the Workplace FAQ." CreationDate="2017-10-26T12:52:15.703" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14016" PostId="4884" Score="0" Text="@FrankFYC [this](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3216/the-workplace-is-a-worldwide-site) FAQ if anyone wonders.." CreationDate="2017-10-26T15:26:14.203" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14032" PostId="4884" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus A few words at that FAQ were added... recently... But it would appear that the decision has been made. No need to revisit the topic now." CreationDate="2017-10-26T17:48:05.577" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13974" PostId="4885" Score="3" Text="*Basically, if people are able to read SE well enough to post a question in the relevant stack, they already have the tools to translate their question into English.* &lt;- this. As noble a goal as it would be this site can't be everything to everyone and English acts as something of an unofficial international business language" CreationDate="2017-10-24T10:59:54.807" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="13979" PostId="4885" Score="2" Text="Questions in other languages also won't be moderated by the community, so all of the community-driven stuff we do here will fall down.  Not only will we end up with a pile of content we can't use, but the askers will have a bad experience because the community couldn't help them." CreationDate="2017-10-24T18:04:22.767" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13999" PostId="4886" Score="1" Text="FWIW, I had voted to close as unclear what you're asking because you have 4 separate questions there and it is not clear what exactly you were looking for help with. Besides, at least the first 2 of those questions are impossible to answer. We can't know if your company blacklisted you or you hurt your prospects. The 4th question is also rather too broad to answer." CreationDate="2017-10-25T18:09:30.243" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13978" PostId="4887" Score="0" Text="Yeah. It's somewhat asking for mind reading too because the only way to really answer the questions the OP is asking is to be the company they applied to and currently work for and see what their answers are.." CreationDate="2017-10-24T14:29:40.190" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="13983" PostId="4888" Score="2" Text="I'm strangely ambivalent on this question. Focusing a question on research should be fine on this network, though odds are that there will be little available. Your question does come across as somewhat low-effort since you presumably didn't do any digging yourself before posting and for such an academic question that's often regarded as a poor sign. At the same time, I think your question can be more practically summarised as &quot;*Should my resume stand out?*&quot; which would be the canonical version of most of the questions you linked. We could use such a question but I don't think this is it." CreationDate="2017-10-25T06:58:11.603" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13987" PostId="4888" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Thank you for your feedback. As stated, the practical summary would seem to invite answers that are primarily opinion-based or perhaps anecdote-based: “According to my esteemed professional experience …” or “Well, this one time …” I unwittingly touched a nerve in this community by asking about supporting literature; my intent behind the call for objectivity was to fit within SE’s Q&amp;A format. As you noted, the question would be useful, so how do you suggest avoiding a primarily opinion-based form of it?" CreationDate="2017-10-25T08:30:36.610" UserId="78676" />
  <row Id="13989" PostId="4888" Score="2" Text="It's more that it's uncommon for OP's to specify what answers can and can't contain. I've done it before but it's a tricky requirement to add as once submitted a question can be edited to fit site guidelines and answerers are generally free to answer as they see fit. And a question that's basically &quot;*Please summarise all available empirical research on this topic for me*&quot; is bound to attract downvotes." CreationDate="2017-10-25T12:57:10.607" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13990" PostId="4888" Score="2" Text="We predominantly focus on practical questions with practical answers and very rarely on academic stuff like this with no clearly defined goal. The practical version of this question *is* just a one line &quot;*Should I make my resume stand out?*&quot;. To which the answer is generally &quot;No&quot; if you're talking about gimmicks or formatting but &quot;of course&quot; when it comes to content." CreationDate="2017-10-25T12:57:13.837" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="13996" PostId="4888" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I incorporated your feedback into a [revised question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/101395/78676)." CreationDate="2017-10-25T15:31:19.750" UserId="78676" />
  <row Id="13980" PostId="4889" Score="3" Text="related? https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2714/whats-wrong-with-the-empirical-research-question" CreationDate="2017-10-24T22:10:45.543" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13981" PostId="4889" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere That question asked for pointers to research that might readily come from a search query. In contrast, mine asked for resume strategies supported by the literature rather than the usual cognitive biases." CreationDate="2017-10-25T02:44:07.190" UserId="78676" />
  <row Id="13988" PostId="4889" Score="1" Text="@GregBacon - the results of the queries I left in comments return results that are the literature. You are asking folks to do the research for you and boil it down to statements supported by the results of that search. While you might find someone who has done the work already, I suspect that you will have to do it yourself. The question is answerable in theory, but I'm not sure anyone would already have your  answer. Good luck. (I personally don't care if the question is closed or open)." CreationDate="2017-10-25T11:20:08.200" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="13991" PostId="4889" Score="0" Text="@Joe and others: that makes it a weak question, not a close-worthy one. We have lots of questions where the OP hasn't done enough first that we haven't closed. Many of them get answers, some don't. Open unanswered questions are ok." CreationDate="2017-10-25T13:11:40.897" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="13994" PostId="4889" Score="1" Text="I have voted to reopen. &quot;It is too much effort to answer this question&quot; is almost certainly not a valid close reason." CreationDate="2017-10-25T15:14:23.010" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="13997" PostId="4889" Score="0" Text="@Masked, Monica, and Joe: Thank you for your feedback. I [revised the question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/101395/78676) back on the main site and hope it is not too watered down." CreationDate="2017-10-25T15:36:55.857" UserId="78676" />
  <row Id="14039" PostId="4889" Score="0" Text="The current answer pretty much covers it, no one is going to do a study for the OP and if they did we'd have to wait a couple of years before they publiish results if it's going to be a useful and comprehensive study." CreationDate="2017-10-27T14:59:24.893" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="14152" PostId="4889" Score="0" Text="The basic question is not do the studies exist, it is what is the magic bullet for my resume, which is off topic, and as asked way to broad.  A rework of the question to ask for specific question could work, but theory questions do not work well here.  Especially when they include unverified &quot;Facts&quot;.  Honestly asking to understand the 4 &quot;facts&quot; included could each be good questions, but as a single question its just too big of a topic." CreationDate="2017-11-08T17:14:20.523" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="13982" PostId="4890" Score="0" Text="@GrayCyngus, sorry about the delay, promised myself to finish one gre practice test before I got back on SE.  Given the vote pattern (and direction) I am just playing devil's advocate now." CreationDate="2017-10-25T06:54:09.090" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13984" PostId="4890" Score="1" Text="To allow this or any other stack to be fully multi-lingual, you're also implicitly asking for multi-lingual translations to be made of the underlying platform, help pages and pretty much everything on the site that throws text at the user.  You'll also need a lump of language swapper code.  You could raise this idea on the main meta, but without a significant demonstration of need, I don't think it's going to happen." CreationDate="2017-10-25T07:00:44.637" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="13986" PostId="4890" Score="0" Text="Yeah, figured as much. Again, I've gotten the answer I sought. This was me writing down thoughts as a devil's advocate. On need however, wouldn't this be a situation where demand follows supply? i.e. a foreign language user would go to a site that is in their language? Therefore, from the perspective of the non-foreign-language-site (english-only) there will never be a need for a foreign language translation. Kind of a chicken or the egg problem." CreationDate="2017-10-25T07:18:09.820" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="13995" PostId="4890" Score="0" Text="@FrankFYC yup seems like it. This whole SE Language subject is one that has already been chewed several times before... Take SO for example. Eventually they opened SO in Spanish, Russian, Chinese... but only because it was worth it and there was a strong user base. I doubt that a multi-language TWP may even exists, but if we keep growing, who knows? maybe we'll eventually have a TWP in Spanish :) (with much effort maybe I can try to be the Joe on that site lol)" CreationDate="2017-10-25T15:25:19.307" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14013" PostId="4890" Score="1" Text="The solution for SO wasn't to make SO multi-lingual but to make language-specific sites. The analogue here would be &quot;The Workplace in Chinese&quot;, etc. &quot;SO in $language&quot; can attract enough people who know $language to work, because SO is huge to begin with. I doubt a sufficient community exists for other sites, *but* it's totally ok to start an Area 51 proposal to find out! If there are enough speakers of a language who are interested in asking/answering workplace questions *in that language*, we can make a site. But mixing fragments a community &amp; makes moderation hard (e.g. handling flags)." CreationDate="2017-10-26T12:59:49.737" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14051" PostId="4890" Score="0" Text="What can I say. My answer is biased." CreationDate="2017-10-28T06:46:14.990" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="14000" PostId="4891" Score="1" Text="possibly related: [Is there an issue with the review queue indicator today?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/358151/839601) (at MSO)" CreationDate="2017-10-25T20:27:50.630" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14001" PostId="4892" Score="0" Text="Thanks for clearing that :) seem that this behavior was really similar as what @gnat suggested in comments. They ended up raising the threshold a bit... (could it be the same in this case?)" CreationDate="2017-10-25T21:51:20.830" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14002" PostId="4892" Score="3" Text="Yep, we'll probably want to bump it up slightly here; there were a couple of people actively reviewing at the same time, and edits aren't assigned to multiple reviewers simultaneously." CreationDate="2017-10-25T21:53:54.130" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="14031" PostId="4892" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio Sorry I got too carried away with my hatred of Stack Exchange employees. My apologies for the rude comments directed at you unintentionally in the process. I came here to delete my comments, but it looks like that is already taken care of. Edit: Just to be clear on this, my apology is only for the rude comments made to Monica. I have absolutely no regrets about my hatred of the Stack Exchange employees riding on their high horses, and there is no reason to apologise to them." CreationDate="2017-10-26T17:44:23.763" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14033" PostId="4892" Score="3" Text="For the record: our horses are never high. We need them to navigate." CreationDate="2017-10-26T21:50:26.627" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="14036" PostId="4892" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 the only way I can think a horse would be able to navigate the Seas of Communities is by being high ;)" CreationDate="2017-10-27T04:27:36.357" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14037" PostId="4892" Score="0" Text="@shog9 Here you go: https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/get+off+high+horse" CreationDate="2017-10-27T05:22:52.557" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14104" PostId="4892" Score="0" Text="I updated the question @Shog9 as I experienced this again today. Could be due to some tag wiki edits I did that need approval. What do you think? Time to bump up the threshold?" CreationDate="2017-11-03T23:49:11.230" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14105" PostId="4892" Score="1" Text="It was - see my reply to your other comment on the other post where you just pinged me @DarkCygnus." CreationDate="2017-11-03T23:53:52.547" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="14106" PostId="4892" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 I see, thanks for clearing this out :) and sorry if I startled you with this update. Will have in mind next time I do tag wiki edits." CreationDate="2017-11-03T23:58:06.030" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14116" PostId="4892" Score="0" Text="FWIW, I did the experiment and I just did some more wiki edits and the dot reappeared. I guess that compared to the amount of regular suggested edits, the ones I did are proportionally bigger." CreationDate="2017-11-06T17:17:04.840" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14040" PostId="4894" Score="1" Text="As originally stated, it was objective, answerable, and in scope in [@Monica’s appraisal](/a/4889/78676). Lilienthal [suggested](/questions/4888/question-asks-for-fact-based-resume-strategies-supported-by-the-literature-put#comment13983_4888) recasting it as a canonical question for the umpteen variants. I didn’t ask anyone to perform research or about a “perfect recipe.” In Monica’s words, these uncharitable readings “miss the point.” I assumed the established field of HR having ample data might have *already* looked into it with straightforward A/B testing. The clear answer is no." CreationDate="2017-10-27T22:14:02.703" UserId="78676" />
  <row Id="14052" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="No, the clear answer is not &quot;no&quot;. At least not according to Google Scholar which gives over 10 thousands results, some of which at first glance look interesting. I just don't have the time to read them or digest them myself.  https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=resumes+and+gpa (Thanks to @Joe Strazzere for providing that link in the chat window for that question)" CreationDate="2017-10-28T07:41:18.010" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="14053" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="Slanderous? Because of articles regarding Fraternities? I guess I don't see the slander. Either way, one of the problems with providing a valuable answer to such a question is what validity one places on &quot;scholarly articles&quot;. It's not hard to find articles on both sides of just about any question. And it's not hard to justify any point you wish to make by cherry-picking only the articles that support your point." CreationDate="2017-10-28T14:52:25.107" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14058" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="@Joe Strazzere, No, not because of &quot;scholarly articles&quot;. The original scholarly article, I have no problem with. It's here. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/coep.12249/abstract (it's freely accessible, not just the abstract, but the entire study is freely available). My point is that there is no point in linking to a news article written by someone else that is purposefully trying to mislead and distort what the original study was about. And yes, even a social science article can be biased, but I believe that's fine as long as you try to link to its original source." CreationDate="2017-10-28T22:45:53.667" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="14059" PostId="4894" Score="1" Text="@StephanBranczyk - I guess I don't see anything slanderous. While any article might be considered misleading and distorting to some, slander involves spoken statements that damage a specific person's reputation. It's hard to imagine that had anything to do with the question being closed. I take it you are offended by folks writing poorly about fraternities and that's really what you are trying to say here?" CreationDate="2017-10-28T22:52:12.310" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14060" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere, No, I mean that what the article is implying from its headline is completely different from what the original scholarly study is saying. Once again, Greek Fraternities have higher GPAs than the student population. They always have and they always will have. That's the way the Greek system is set up. And the original study certainly doesn't contradict that point, but the news article does, in fact, it tries to imply the very opposite." CreationDate="2017-10-28T23:42:50.170" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="14061" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="Anyway, I'm only asking that we use the original &quot;scholarly&quot; article instead of the news article which was written by someone else. I believe this is a reasonable request considering the original aim of the OP. Joe, even if you disagree with me about the other stuff, please let me know if you think this is also a reasonable request, or not." CreationDate="2017-10-29T00:11:57.640" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="14064" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="@StephanBranczyk - anyone can always state that one bullet point in a multi-bullet question offends you. And you can ask that it be removed. And you can vote it down and vote to close it if you like. As always, the moderators and the community as a whole make the ultimate decision regarding all questions. I don't see anything that supports a claim of slander though." CreationDate="2017-10-29T11:30:39.367" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14065" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere, That's fine. I only wanted to see if you could see that the headline was misleading at least. I guess you don't see it." CreationDate="2017-10-29T13:35:32.927" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="14066" PostId="4894" Score="0" Text="@StephanBranczyk - I'm glad to see you removed the word &quot;slanderous&quot; and replaced it with &quot;incorrect&quot;. I can see that this issue is important to you. I doubt that the question was closed because of links to an article regarding fraternities, but everyone has their own reasons and anything is possible." CreationDate="2017-10-29T13:58:51.120" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14041" PostId="4895" Score="0" Text="changed my mind after reading OPs feedback (maybe the post should be edited to include it?), voted to reopen. 1 more missing." CreationDate="2017-10-27T22:24:19.983" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14042" PostId="4895" Score="0" Text="Voted to reopen" CreationDate="2017-10-27T22:30:45.273" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="14050" PostId="4895" Score="0" Text="Question is now open" CreationDate="2017-10-28T06:31:16.087" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14091" PostId="4895" Score="0" Text="Voting to re-open" CreationDate="2017-11-02T19:01:29.747" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14102" PostId="4895" Score="0" Text="The question is now closed." CreationDate="2017-11-03T12:27:33.067" UserId="37509" />
  <row Id="14054" PostId="4896" Score="0" Text="&quot; You may use comments ONLY to suggest improvements&quot; - I thought comments were intended as a vehicle with which to seek clarification?" CreationDate="2017-10-28T14:55:10.460" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14055" PostId="4896" Score="2" Text="Comments are used for many things; arguably the *intent* was simply an outlet for interactions that weren't answering. But in the scenario this notice is intended for, suggesting improvements is likely to be the only form of comment to avoid trouble." CreationDate="2017-10-28T19:52:12.230" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="14056" PostId="4896" Score="2" Text="Hmm... Hopefully your new wording won't just add to the confusion around comments. I guess we'll see." CreationDate="2017-10-28T19:58:45.270" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14057" PostId="4896" Score="2" Text="Was part of the intent here to raise the bar for moderators to use the post notice?  I think mods will be less willing to apply the post notice here than the one originally proposed.  Which may be the way it should work." CreationDate="2017-10-28T21:19:29.127" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14062" PostId="4896" Score="4" Text="Thanks Shog.  I might have said &quot;request improvements&quot; rather than &quot;suggest improvements&quot;, to signal that requesting clarification is in, but I still think it's a good addition to our tools." CreationDate="2017-10-29T01:35:44.980" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14068" PostId="4896" Score="3" Text="In general, [I think post notices should be rare](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/172571/how-rare-should-post-notices-be/172607#172607), @IDrinkandIKnowThings. Sprinkling them around like salt to ward off monsters is just gonna make folks ignore them." CreationDate="2017-10-30T16:23:06.783" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="14069" PostId="4898" Score="10" Text="We are all eagerly waiting for milestone to start the celebrations. However, given that he hasn't actually hit 200k yet, I am voting to close as unclear what you're asking." CreationDate="2017-10-31T08:17:39.247" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14070" PostId="4898" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan To be fair to Frank, Jane started the 100k congratulation question when Joe was 800 reps short of the 100k milestone." CreationDate="2017-10-31T10:49:49.670" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="14071" PostId="4898" Score="4" Text="@Snow My above comment and the close vote was a bit of a joke, looks like I forgot to put a smiley at the end. :)" CreationDate="2017-10-31T11:29:18.517" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14072" PostId="4898" Score="1" Text="800 reps is 4 days for Joe" CreationDate="2017-10-31T21:23:41.043" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14073" PostId="4898" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan anyways, &quot;Should ...&quot; questions are also asking for a specific choice so ... ;)" CreationDate="2017-10-31T21:25:06.363" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14074" PostId="4898" Score="2" Text="I'm waiting for the actual 200K then I'll upvote everything in sight, well done Joe!!" CreationDate="2017-11-01T00:55:18.043" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="14075" PostId="4898" Score="2" Text="I was going to joke about how he was 563 rep away -- oh, no, wait, I just stumbled across a post of his, now he's 553 away -- but I've apparently already upvoted all of his top posts. Go figure." CreationDate="2017-11-01T23:39:04.413" UserId="30756" />
  <row Id="14087" PostId="4898" Score="3" Text="363 rep left (It's the finaaal count dowwwnn)" CreationDate="2017-11-02T18:35:46.733" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14103" PostId="4898" Score="0" Text="Joe's a Workplace.SE machine." CreationDate="2017-11-03T20:56:12.950" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="14115" PostId="4898" Score="11" Text="Possible duplicate of [Congratulations to Joe Strazzere for 100k rep!](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3350/congratulations-to-joe-strazzere-for-100k-rep)" CreationDate="2017-11-06T10:59:55.590" UserId="73187" />
  <row Id="14076" PostId="4899" Score="20" Text="I wonder if we have to flag that answer as VLQ as one-liner are not the best way to answer. Please explain why your A will work and how it will be helpful to OP. Once you have enough rep, you'll be able to comment. BTW: what's this *k* right after your 200 rep? just kiddin'!!! Congrats Joe!!! :)))" CreationDate="2017-11-02T11:21:22.450" UserId="71600" />
  <row Id="14077" PostId="4899" Score="13" Text="Answers are not for asking OP for clarification. Please do that in comments. Congrats stranger." CreationDate="2017-11-02T13:26:08.253" UserId="76167" />
  <row Id="14094" PostId="4899" Score="3" Text="Awesome achievement Joe, keep it up, you touch a lot of lives positively (Y)" CreationDate="2017-11-02T19:15:43.473" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="14110" PostId="4899" Score="1" Text="Now you have 200k! I hope my 6 votes are not counted as serial upvoting. EDIT: Ah damn, it was detected. Was worth a try." CreationDate="2017-11-04T18:40:25.807" UserId="34330" />
  <row Id="14111" PostId="4899" Score="0" Text="@ThorstenS. ...Why would you serially upvote, anyway? Just wander around the popular questions. He's answered most of them." CreationDate="2017-11-04T19:15:42.253" UserId="30756" />
  <row Id="14112" PostId="4899" Score="0" Text="@QPaysTaxes Which I did...I upvoted them, but the count disappeared after a while, I rechecked by loading. But, moment, hey, now he has 200 000!" CreationDate="2017-11-04T19:44:23.603" UserId="34330" />
  <row Id="14117" PostId="4899" Score="0" Text="Congrats! Excellent news." CreationDate="2017-11-06T19:40:01.953" UserId="29136" />
  <row Id="14090" PostId="4901" Score="0" Text="It is really not allowed here either." CreationDate="2017-11-02T18:49:13.793" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14078" PostId="4902" Score="1" Text="I see what you did there." CreationDate="2017-11-02T15:41:13.040" UserId="13611" />
  <row Id="14079" PostId="4903" Score="3" Text="I was told [once](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4822/our-highest-voted-answer-has-not-received-enough-attention) that Users are not obliged to explain their reasons on giving off bounties. That I understood meant &quot;If some user wants to give a bounty on a question for whatever reason they are in their full rights to do so and also don't need to justify why&quot;... does this apply in this case? If I want to offer a bounty on a Q with Close votes (even though they are old votes) then I am in my full rights and no need to explain why. True?" CreationDate="2017-11-02T16:35:32.577" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14080" PostId="4903" Score="3" Text="Good question, I thought that the two day proscription was sufficient." CreationDate="2017-11-02T16:41:47.913" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14081" PostId="4903" Score="4" Text="related: [Allow users to vote to close bountied questions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/121448/165773)" CreationDate="2017-11-02T17:29:50.823" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14082" PostId="4903" Score="1" Text="@TheSnarkKnight It would be if they didnt get closed then reopened and get 4 more close votes with in the hour then a bounty...  I believe that was not your intent but it had the appearance of an attempt to block a close." CreationDate="2017-11-02T18:22:17.220" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14083" PostId="4903" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Educate me please.  If someone is willing to put their reputation out for the question, why do we care?  The other option we may want to consider is to allow IMMEDIATE granting of bounties for super answer versus 24 hour wait." CreationDate="2017-11-02T18:26:38.097" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14084" PostId="4903" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive I have no objection to allowing the immediate granting of the bounty, or even of letting the bounty stay on a closed question.  But the system does not allow it.  Questions that are bad should be closed even if someone is willing to spend their rep to keep it open for a few days" CreationDate="2017-11-02T18:30:37.800" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14085" PostId="4903" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings it was not my intent to block anything.  I didn't even know it did that.  I would argue that it being closed, and reopened would mean that at least there's some disagreement about the question.  Since more than half the questions here are closed anyway, what is the harm caused by leaving one open?" CreationDate="2017-11-02T18:31:06.360" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14086" PostId="4903" Score="1" Text="@TheSnarkKnight - The question was quickly closed when it was asked.  Took 3 days to get 5 reopen votes then in an hour had 4 more close votes and with in a few minutes of the bounty being removed it was closed again.  There may be some contention but its pretty clear the community disagrees with having it open.  You can still start another meta to get it reopened." CreationDate="2017-11-02T18:32:53.227" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14088" PostId="4903" Score="2" Text="I'm not seeing how the number of days it took to get reopened vs attempting to get it closed again is relevant. It was open. It was past the 2 days. People getting all bent out of shape because a question actually stayed open is freaking pathetic." CreationDate="2017-11-02T18:46:05.503" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="14089" PostId="4903" Score="1" Text="For those who want some context on this situation and the question here presented, check [this](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/101609/ethical-obligation-after-finding-fraudulent-applicant) question" CreationDate="2017-11-02T18:46:29.333" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14108" PostId="4903" Score="0" Text="@ChrisE Closing questions is important to stop low-quality questions being on the site etcetera so it's not unreasonable for people to be a little upset about something that could cause the Broken Windows effect." CreationDate="2017-11-04T15:19:03.440" UserId="49123" />
  <row Id="14092" PostId="4904" Score="1" Text="Thank you.  This doesn't specifically explain why we care about the side affect of some one spending their rep to reward an answer and it just so happens to keep a question open.  I am new here still, does this sort of thing happen often?" CreationDate="2017-11-02T19:05:12.977" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14093" PostId="4904" Score="2" Text="Bounty shenanigans? People actually sit down and try and think of ways to screw the bounty system?... seems a bit farfetched, it's only reputation. Good answer though in general." CreationDate="2017-11-02T19:11:22.810" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="14095" PostId="4904" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Not to my knowledge, but as far as I know that's the main reason behind bounties preventing CVs. I would think that a group of people placing bounties and then organising close votes to get rid of the bounties would be both rather pointless and rather obvious but perhaps there are other things I can't think of right now. And of course meta sites very often bring up absurd and far-fetched abuse scenarios. :)" CreationDate="2017-11-02T19:31:03.703" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14096" PostId="4904" Score="0" Text="But really though, and to answer @MisterPositive, this kind of thing is so incredibly rare that there's no real reason to change anything about it. If ever a situation like this does come up simply flag it and the mod team can have a look. I can't recall any previous bounty being removed for this reason in my time here, whether as a mod or a regular user." CreationDate="2017-11-02T19:32:33.747" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14097" PostId="4904" Score="1" Text="Then why was the bounty removed in this case?  Trying to understand, not be a giant PITA...." CreationDate="2017-11-02T19:33:55.460" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14098" PostId="4904" Score="2" Text="@MisterPositive I believe I covered that in my second paragraph? The bounty was preventing CVs on a contested question, hence why I removed it to allow the community to continue processing the question. That scenario happens rarely which is why there's no automatic system for dealing with it, hence why you should flag it. This specifically is &quot;bad&quot; because it prevents a community action (closing) when that's not the goal: the goal is awarding rep to an answer. To be clear: unintentionally blocking CVs with a bounty isn't frowned upon, that would be reserved for someone doing it deliberately." CreationDate="2017-11-02T19:41:25.673" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14099" PostId="4904" Score="3" Text="In other words, someone's desire to award reputation to an answer cannot trump the community's desire to close the parent question. But unfortunately the system is technically set up so that it *does* work that way. Which is why the mod team has to step in for these rare situations." CreationDate="2017-11-02T19:43:28.147" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14101" PostId="4904" Score="4" Text="bounty and closure have opposite goals, first is to attract answers while second is to prevent these. Allowing both would send a very confusing signal to readers that's why system is designed to avoid such a &quot;clash&quot;. The specifics of how system does that - bounty blocks closure - seems to be based on a (fairly reasonable) expectation that such clashes are expected to be rare enough so that moderators can resolve matters in (rare) cases when closure is indeed the way to go" CreationDate="2017-11-02T20:51:33.980" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14109" PostId="4904" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi You'd be surprised what happens on the big 3, especially [so]. You can put SO rep on your CV and it might make some people notice - bounties are one of the easiest ways to farm with friends." CreationDate="2017-11-04T15:22:02.063" UserId="49123" />
  <row Id="14175" PostId="4905" Score="0" Text="14 - 41 badges ... Jackpot? @JoeStrazzere" CreationDate="2017-11-17T20:10:34.000" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16158" PostId="4905" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus That's meta badges.  He's got a lot more badges on main, including currently 100 gold badges." CreationDate="2018-08-13T17:40:31.997" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16159" PostId="4905" Score="0" Text="@gerrit uhmmm, yeah I know Joe has tons of badges on main. I was saying that the fact it was symmetric (14 41), plus clipping exactly 200k seemed like a jackpot to me :)" CreationDate="2018-08-13T17:41:53.133" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14122" PostId="4906" Score="0" Text="It think some downvoters/close voters mistook this for a StackOverflow-type question asking how to actually find the second biggest number without sorting an array. Part of the problem is the title of the question &quot;Interview live-coding - Find Second Biggest number in array&quot; - it looks off topic even before you click on it to read what it says." CreationDate="2017-11-07T15:06:20.010" UserId="22390" />
  <row Id="14128" PostId="4906" Score="0" Text="Question is Reopened now" CreationDate="2017-11-07T17:11:23.513" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14126" PostId="4907" Score="0" Text="Isn't this site about the workplace, and not how to get into a new workplace?  I know its splitting hairs, but as a couple others have stated I would hate to see this site become &quot;*How do I answer this interview question?&quot;." CreationDate="2017-11-07T17:11:01.970" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14130" PostId="4907" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive About half of the first page of the active questions list is about getting, leaving, or changing jobs." CreationDate="2017-11-07T18:16:18.723" UserId="19325" />
  <row Id="14125" PostId="4909" Score="1" Text="Hah, looks like great minds think alike. :) I edited the question along these lines (somewhat). I came here to post a reopen-request, but found out @Draken beat me to it, and there have been a few answers as well." CreationDate="2017-11-07T16:34:26.043" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14123" PostId="4910" Score="2" Text="It's true that we're more on the IT fields, however if we use that too much, we would end to be seen as &quot;the IT workplace&quot;, which is not what we want for the workplace." CreationDate="2017-11-07T15:56:54.700" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="14148" PostId="4910" Score="0" Text="It would be hard to be more domain-specific than this question (currently still open): https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/102256/which-questions-to-ask-when-interviewing-with-an-it-service-provider. We really don't seem to require domain-independent questions and answers as far as I can tell." CreationDate="2017-11-08T15:19:17.863" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14149" PostId="4910" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere fortunately, the community put that question on hold in under four hours.  Unfortunately, three people answered it." CreationDate="2017-11-08T15:47:57.773" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14129" PostId="4911" Score="1" Text="This edit, and now the most recent really opened it up I think..." CreationDate="2017-11-07T17:12:29.097" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14136" PostId="4912" Score="2" Text="No need to accept my answer right away; just because I'm a moderator doesn't mean I have the final say or anything.  Maybe we can use this question to *adjust* rather than *delete* the tag, as proposed in another answer." CreationDate="2017-11-07T23:26:15.520" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14146" PostId="4912" Score="1" Text="I believe [this](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3963/if-we-avoid-legal-advice-why-do-we-have-a-law-tag?noredirect=1&amp;lq=10) was the most recent discussion on the tag." CreationDate="2017-11-08T12:19:18.443" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14150" PostId="4912" Score="0" Text="And I see from that question that we also have a [tag:law] tag." CreationDate="2017-11-08T17:03:14.143" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14132" PostId="4913" Score="0" Text="I agree with this. The tag now clearly refers to work-related questions on legal workplaces (courts, etc.). This could be easily answered by, say, any user with working experience on such places. I think however, that it has been **misused** by recent questions, where they include it using the &quot;old&quot; concept of the tag." CreationDate="2017-11-07T23:14:54.690" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14133" PostId="4913" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus I suspect you're right about it being misused.  Anybody, feel free to clean up mis-applied tags or bring larger &quot;what should we do with this class of questions&quot; questions to meta.  Just the other day in chat I was saying that some of our tags seem a bit of a mess and it'd be nice to do something about that, but I haven't put together anything concrete yet.  Fortunately, anybody can help. :-)" CreationDate="2017-11-07T23:23:30.973" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14134" PostId="4913" Score="0" Text="Turned that comment into an answer and possible suggestion ;)" CreationDate="2017-11-07T23:24:21.107" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14138" PostId="4913" Score="1" Text="[Don't we have some legal questions that are on topic though?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1856/what-is-asking-for-legal-advice?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1) (at least based on the top-voted answer)" CreationDate="2017-11-07T23:52:40.890" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15821" PostId="4913" Score="0" Text="Was just going to share @Dukeling's link - our current scope (as I understand it) is that legal advice is acceptable if it is something that any HR professional should know the answer to." CreationDate="2018-07-06T12:00:10.523" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14135" PostId="4914" Score="1" Text="I like the idea of renaming it.  I fear that renaming it to legal-industry will lead to questions about jobs as lawyers (like software-industry attracts questions about programmer jobs), which isn't what we want either.  Does anybody have a better idea?" CreationDate="2017-11-07T23:25:12.033" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14137" PostId="4914" Score="0" Text="Well, people come here asking for programmer jobs and not necessarily do it just for the tag (or even include it). Maybe the &quot;-industry&quot; is not the perfect candidate, but it could work right. Other options I can think are &quot;legal-job&quot;, &quot;legal-company&quot;, &quot;legal-workplace&quot;... let's see what other think." CreationDate="2017-11-07T23:36:50.187" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14139" PostId="4914" Score="0" Text="For [the 51 open questions](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?page=1&amp;tab=Newest&amp;q=%5blegal%5d%20closed%3ano) with the [tag:legal] tag, only 2 of them appears to not be asking for legal advice, and those questions are, respectively, writing resumes when there were legal issues with the work and company interaction for appearing in court. So a [tag:legal-industry] tag wouldn't do us much good at this stage." CreationDate="2017-11-08T00:14:38.037" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14140" PostId="4914" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling what do you suggest then? We *could* create this new tag and burninate the old legal one..." CreationDate="2017-11-08T00:48:59.873" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14141" PostId="4914" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus I'm not sure the off-topicness of **all** legal questions has been conclusively decided, so I'm not really suggesting we do anything with [tag:legal] (yet) (notwithstanding my own desire to watch all tags burn). I'm just saying creating a tag with 0 questions doesn't make sense, and is also not possible AFAIK (if there are a handful of applicable question that are specific to the legal industry, I'd be more than happy to agree that a tag would be a good idea)." CreationDate="2017-11-08T01:34:07.817" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14142" PostId="4914" Score="0" Text="When you ask a question you can create new tags if you have some small rep lvl, and if your question needs so @Dukeling" CreationDate="2017-11-08T04:56:08.460" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14147" PostId="4914" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling I think a lot of questions that could use a legal tag don't actually get one: either because no one thought of it or because the tag is sometimes removed since it's such a loaded one. Questions on overtime, reporting hours and whatnot which have been considered on-topic legal questions don't seem to get the tag. The tag is abused but imo necessary." CreationDate="2017-11-08T12:25:45.327" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14153" PostId="4917" Score="2" Text="Confirmed to just affect Workplace, both main and meta. Curious. Not sure the gold badge requirement is relevant though." CreationDate="2017-11-10T07:16:38.430" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14157" PostId="4917" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I think all 3 types are required otherwise the badges wonte take much place and not resize (I tried in other sites where I dont have all three types, aand tried with other user in other site where he had all three and it didn't happened)" CreationDate="2017-11-10T13:18:18.727" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14159" PostId="4917" Score="0" Text="Gold badge doesn't matter. I don't have a gold badge on meta, as you can see." CreationDate="2017-11-10T14:06:30.820" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14160" PostId="4917" Score="0" Text="Thanks @MaskedMan ... I mean thanks Mr. Other user ;)" CreationDate="2017-11-10T14:13:47.363" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14162" PostId="4917" Score="2" Text="It's putting slightly more space between the badge groups, so probably the more groups you have the more you'll notice the cumulative effect." CreationDate="2017-11-10T16:41:30.427" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14163" PostId="4917" Score="0" Text="Seems like so @MonicaCellio ... any news on this? Do you consider I should post this on Meta SE as well, or do we wait a bit more perhaps?" CreationDate="2017-11-10T17:11:34.083" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14164" PostId="4917" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus SE does monitor the &quot;bug&quot; tag on per-site metas, and I just added the &quot;design&quot; tag which might help reach the right group.  It's not an urgent matter, so let's give that process time to work." CreationDate="2017-11-10T17:13:59.687" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14300" PostId="4917" Score="1" Text="Looks like the same issue as [this one on movies.SE](https://movies.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1652). I suppose I could just enable the SOUP fix for that bug on all sites." CreationDate="2017-11-28T07:48:17.567" UserId="2139" />
  <row Id="14362" PostId="4917" Score="0" Text="@IlmariKaronen Agreed, seems the same bug. I am not familiar with that plugin (seems that you are its author, cool). Do you think it will help eradicate this?" CreationDate="2017-12-01T17:55:35.363" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14364" PostId="4917" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus: If you install it, yes. I already enabled the fix globally in the development branch, and it seems to work fine also here on workplace.SE. I'll probably release a new stable version in a few days, too." CreationDate="2017-12-01T20:02:31.607" UserId="2139" />
  <row Id="17102" PostId="4917" Score="1" Text="Little annoyances like this are part of the reason we're moving to a standard theme. Thanks for the report and hopefully we won't see this reverted any time soon. ;-)" CreationDate="2018-11-07T01:08:39.940" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="17103" PostId="4917" Score="0" Text="Glad I could help. Don't know if this also solved the movies.se issue but mostly likely it did" CreationDate="2018-11-07T01:25:04.360" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14165" PostId="4919" Score="2" Text="No need for this. We already have far too many tags, IMHO." CreationDate="2017-11-13T16:42:48.777" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14167" PostId="4919" Score="1" Text="Can you link some questions where you think the tag would be useful? So far there's only the one, and the OP specifically said that time zone isn't an issue (though answers do disagree). I would think any timezone questions would be encompassed by the [tag:scheduling] tag." CreationDate="2017-11-13T19:28:38.950" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14168" PostId="4919" Score="0" Text="@David Yes, I do have a few questions in mind. Will post links when I am back to a desktop (searching and posting links is hard on mobile). I can see what you mean about the scheduling, there is certainly significant overlap between the two. But certain timezone problems are not solvable by better scheduling alone, in particular asynchronous communication like email and impromptu meetings, which are often a business need. Those two tags are certainly closely related but cover different concepts IMHO." CreationDate="2017-11-14T04:06:37.993" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14170" PostId="4921" Score="2" Text="Does it matter that your simple, one-line question was closed? You already got a definitive answer: &quot;Yes you can&quot;. That seems as clear as your question. You really can't expect much more of  an answer than that, given the simplicity of the question." CreationDate="2017-11-15T11:41:54.470" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14173" PostId="4921" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere did I complain about it being &quot;closed&quot;? did I ask it to be reopened? do you have a problem with me asking for a reason/explanation? thought meta is a place I can try to ask questions to understand how its operated" CreationDate="2017-11-16T17:25:14.440" UserId="79578" />
  <row Id="14174" PostId="4921" Score="0" Text="@Zero if you want you can consider posting your question again, with more details as explained (no point in trying to salvage the other one now with -8)." CreationDate="2017-11-17T20:09:21.200" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14182" PostId="4921" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus thanks i appreciate that. but I really only wanted to know about if there are any blatant issues (legal or otherwise) with the act of contacting a previous employer for references post-hire, in general. there is nothing about a specific situation that I am really wondering about at this point. I'm now leaning more towards: maybe I was just wondering about the legal side of it, but I just didn't know at the time and am now figuring that out?" CreationDate="2017-11-20T02:34:08.733" UserId="79578" />
  <row Id="14171" PostId="4922" Score="1" Text="Yes, the lack of a &quot;why&quot; was the reason I voted to close. This is something that is most definitely legal, so it would have been helpful to know why the OP thought it might not be acceptable. Is it a legal question? A professionalism question? A company policy question? Each of these would garner very different responses." CreationDate="2017-11-15T16:19:02.777" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14177" PostId="4924" Score="0" Text="I am a bit confused by your opening statement. You say that you were satisfied with my answer and you changed your mind ... but the rest of your answer just seems to elaborate my point." CreationDate="2017-11-18T13:17:28.320" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14178" PostId="4924" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan really? I see them quite different. You basically say that this was not thought through (true) and that only the asker seems to matter, but I elaborated more on why should not just the asker matter (something you didn't mention. You stated what was notable here, that the asker has priority, but never expanded to include why or why not it should be like that... or that's how I see it, hope my answer didn't bother you :)" CreationDate="2017-11-18T13:23:33.347" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14179" PostId="4924" Score="0" Text="I am not &quot;bothered&quot; by your answer. I was just trying to understand what you were saying. My point is the same, the asker should not be given a close hammer. One of my comments below my answer says so, I guess I should expand my answer to include that." CreationDate="2017-11-18T14:11:37.467" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14190" PostId="4928" Score="0" Text="possibly related: [Aggressive Edits](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2153/168)" CreationDate="2017-11-21T15:45:37.030" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14191" PostId="4928" Score="1" Text="I can't see your answer, but the question, while significantly changed, is still the same at its core, so I'm wondering whether your answer was indeed an answer or whether it was more of a comment on the ethics of what OP wants to do." CreationDate="2017-11-21T16:45:51.567" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14193" PostId="4928" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling The *original* question was &quot;I'd like a dog but don't want to leave it at home for 40hrs a week, if I get one that's diabetes trained can I use this to get the dog into the office?&quot;. Yes in my answer I made some commentary on the ethics of how the OP was proposing to go about their goal &quot;i.e. getting a dog and being allowed to have it with them in the office&quot;. I did however suggest a more appropriate course of action to meet this without behaving unethically - I wasn't simply trying to flame them." CreationDate="2017-11-21T16:58:21.970" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="14194" PostId="4928" Score="1" Text="@Dukeling The revised question was &quot;How can I go about getting an diabetes assist dog into the office&quot; which is actually a **different question** and thus my answer was invalidated (and made me look like an jerk to boot) trimming the diabetes dog aspect from the original question and leaving the &quot;I'd like a dog but would need to bring it into the office&quot; would have been perfectly valid as a question and I would have edited my answer to match. The edit that happened though.. not so much." CreationDate="2017-11-21T16:58:30.010" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="14195" PostId="4928" Score="1" Text="@motosubatsu Revision 1 is *&quot;if I had a dog, and it had the education of a diabetes warning dog, how should I approach my current or next employer about bringing it into work?&quot;*. That might be missing the context of &quot;I want a dog&quot;, but that doesn't seem too relevant. Both that and the current revision are about bringing an assist dog to work, neither case says it's necessary, any solution to bringing a non-assist dog to work would work for an assist dog as well, and any reply addressing anything other than bringing a dog to work (e.g. taking care of a dog) is off topic and thus not an answer." CreationDate="2017-11-21T17:36:44.667" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14197" PostId="4928" Score="0" Text="@dukeling You *really* think an assist dog wouldn't be considered differently from a regular one in terms of how you would approach it with an employer and how the employer respond? They are totally different workplace questions and would have different answers as a result." CreationDate="2017-11-21T20:00:48.630" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="14205" PostId="4928" Score="0" Text="In general, SE policy is that edits which invalidate answers should be rolled back by anyone with edit privileges. The reasoning is that changing the question to invalidate answers puts such answers at a significant disadvantage. The caveat to this is that if the answer makes inaccurate assumptions about the Q (usually because the Q is *unclear*, or otherwise off-topic, and shouldn't have been answered w/o clarification), then edits to clarify the question are acceptable. If the answerer is working with the OP for clarification, then they can, alternately, choose to also change the answer." CreationDate="2017-11-22T06:56:39.493" UserId="27247" />
  <row Id="14231" PostId="4928" Score="0" Text="That's why quoting the content of the Question on your answer helps your post to retain meaning even though the Question is edited, giving you chance to re-answer if you want/can" CreationDate="2017-11-22T20:57:59.000" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14269" PostId="4928" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus It also makes your post more conversational, reducing it's value as a reference post (I think [Snow's answer](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/102978/8234) is a good example of how to address a certain aspect of the question without needing to quote it)." CreationDate="2017-11-24T08:54:34.267" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14287" PostId="4928" Score="0" Text="*This edit substantially changes the question and in the process invalidated my answer.* IMO - Your answer was a violation of the be nice policy.  If your answer violates the Be Nice Policy because of a portion of the question there is a very good chance you should have edited the question to remove that part before answering in the first place." CreationDate="2017-11-27T17:12:12.453" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14187" PostId="4930" Score="0" Text="Out of fairness to voters, I wouldn't drastically edit an answer if it had already gained votes (one way or the other).  That's just me though." CreationDate="2017-11-21T14:33:04.103" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="14189" PostId="4930" Score="0" Text="@snow That was my reasoning behind deletion rather than an edit." CreationDate="2017-11-21T15:45:25.923" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="14209" PostId="4932" Score="5" Text="While well-intentioned, this whole concept worries me. I don't want these memes to become shorthand for &quot;This is what everyone at The Workplace thinks&quot;. The community here is too big and wide for that short of shorthand, IMHO. I can't go along with some of the proposed memes, and don't want people to think they represent my opinions." CreationDate="2017-11-22T11:08:34.677" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14217" PostId="4932" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere then by all means don't UV those memes you don't agree with, and UV those you do, as well as post the ones you think should be here, or enhance the ones that you think need some love. The post I named &quot;Practical Handbook for navigating the Workplace&quot;... not &quot;This is what everyone at TWP thinks so don't you dare say something else&quot; ... seems that the community is growing (5+ years, your 200k, we finally have 40 top tags, 17k questions milestone, etc...), so this repository of common ideas we share is a common effort that can serve as sound reference (and fun?) for us all." CreationDate="2017-11-22T15:43:26.493" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14221" PostId="4932" Score="3" Text="I understand. But I'd hate to see The Workplace devolve into a hivemind, meme-driven, forum as some others have done. I think it's less welcoming for newcomers that way. I will indeed downvote the memes I particularly don't like. But I did want to register my opinion regarding the concept. I don't think adding memes will make us better - just more cliquey. But as has happened over the years here, the community will do whatever it wants no matter what I think. I'll learn to live with it." CreationDate="2017-11-22T17:24:20.117" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14222" PostId="4932" Score="0" Text="Thank you for closing the &quot;Joe Strazzere&quot; meme. While I'm not comfortable using myself as a meme, I don't think we should memify any one individual in a community-drive forum like The Workplace." CreationDate="2017-11-22T17:26:24.580" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14225" PostId="4932" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere no need to thank, it was not cool for me to post that one without asking you first. I think that, as long as the individual is ok, there is no problem with memifying users (see the [John Skeet](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/19499/332286) meme for example ... sound familiar in this context to you? ;) ). Thank *you* for your respectful approach to this situation. Hope you have some memes to share with us :)" CreationDate="2017-11-22T17:31:46.560" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14226" PostId="4932" Score="2" Text="I do know the &quot;John Skeet&quot; meme now. To me, this is just a bad idea. If you need a &quot;Magic Decoder Ring&quot; or &quot;The Workplace for Dummies&quot; book to understand what the heck people are talking about, I think it makes The Workplace (and SO for that matter) a less inviting place. Personally, I don't think we should add &quot;fun for the long-timers&quot; at the expense of newbies. And I don't think it's too much work to spell things out in each Question, Answer, and Comment. In Chat, sure - that isn't designed to be welcoming of newbies and is only frequented by a few. I've said my peace." CreationDate="2017-11-22T17:37:12.893" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14248" PostId="4932" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Just to confirm Joe, you're not happy with any answer in the meme post referencing yourself? I.e. I did write one on JoeFact, but deleted it once I read these comments" CreationDate="2017-11-23T09:04:09.720" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="14249" PostId="4932" Score="2" Text="@Draken - I don't like the concept of memifying individuals on a community forum like The Workplace. I would not be happy if it were someone else and  feel that I need to speak up since it's me being mentioned. Really I'm sincerely flattered, but I just don't feel it's appropriate. I enjoy trying to help people by writing answers. I don't want people to think I do it for the &quot;points&quot; or for the memes." CreationDate="2017-11-23T12:41:58.297" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14250" PostId="4932" Score="2" Text="I get that some might enjoy memes in Chat. The &quot;rules&quot; are kind of different there, and the visiting population is much smaller. But I don't think the idea of memes in the main forum is a good thing. I hope I'm not offending anyone here - I'm just uncomfortable with it. I've been a moderator at other forums where eventually there was active hostility between those who viewed themselves as the &quot;in crowd&quot; and the newcomers. I'd hate for that to happen here in The Workplace." CreationDate="2017-11-23T12:49:05.450" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14270" PostId="4932" Score="0" Text="Inspired by the memes posts of other sites, we made a handbook post for our site. That is too confusing. As a result, I am not sure whether to post a &quot;best practices&quot; kind of post, which would be appropriate for a handbook, or a joke post, which would be appropriate for memes. I am OK with doing both, but just not both in the same place. It also makes voting on the posts confusing. For now,  I am going to downvote all responses which are not memes. Example: IANAL (frequently used acronym, but NOT a meme), wait at least a week (frequently mentioned in answers, but NOT a meme)." CreationDate="2017-11-25T07:56:07.647" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14272" PostId="4932" Score="0" Text="Calling them &quot;memes&quot; in the answers (with &quot;cultural height&quot;) is confusing.  You might want to edit those." CreationDate="2017-11-26T03:33:06.580" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14273" PostId="4932" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio done, the cultural height I left unedited, as it still applies after changing the meme wors" CreationDate="2017-11-26T03:50:33.577" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14277" PostId="4932" Score="0" Text="There seems to be a lot of controversy over this post, so I've started a [Meta discussion](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4949/do-we-want-a-meme-handbook) about it." CreationDate="2017-11-27T13:29:03.287" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14294" PostId="4932" Score="0" Text="I've put this on hold at the request of the author." CreationDate="2017-11-27T20:58:08.187" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14296" PostId="4932" Score="0" Text="Thanks @MonicaCellio seems that we should thing this better for now." CreationDate="2017-11-27T21:02:43.770" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14286" PostId="4934" Score="1" Text="*Answering a poor question (or a question with some poor content) always carries the risk that the answer will get invalidated when someone improves it.* --- This!" CreationDate="2017-11-27T17:10:31.433" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14202" PostId="4935" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan feel free to enhance the answer :) also to include relevant posts where that meme appears, the original one is a must (that's why I made this one comm wiki)" CreationDate="2017-11-22T05:26:07.627" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14204" PostId="4935" Score="0" Text="... and now, it appears that this was started by [HLGEM](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/35283/3192). I will just put this &quot;improvement&quot; on hold until I have the time to do a more detailed investigation ... or, even better, until someone else does the investigation because procrastination is usually the right answer. ;)" CreationDate="2017-11-22T05:40:48.803" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14206" PostId="4935" Score="1" Text="I learned the hard way that “HR is not your friend”. Since that I never even asked HR even for a advice." CreationDate="2017-11-22T07:46:47.550" UserDisplayName="user15704" />
  <row Id="14208" PostId="4935" Score="1" Text="I personally don't like this meme at all. To me, this casts a department in a bad/adversarial light. I understand the point, and I sympathize with the individuals' personal experiences with HR. I have found poor HR departments and great HR departments/individuals over my career. I wouldn't want this site to characterize all HR like this anymore than I'd want to see all Dev or all QA characterized. Every HR rep/company is different. Please consider deleting this meme. In many contexts, it seems snarky. I don't want people to hear &quot;The Workplace&quot; and think &quot;Oh, they are the ones that hate HR.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-11-22T11:03:27.197" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14210" PostId="4935" Score="0" Text="**Please consider deleting this meme for the reasons stated in my comments**" CreationDate="2017-11-22T11:10:18.663" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14212" PostId="4935" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'm having a hard time seeing it that way.  Many people think of going to HR as a first step is a good thing.  They don't understand that once anything is brought to HR, it becomes official, and from that point, an investigation is conducted, often to the detriment of the person who went to HR.  It is also a simple statement of fact.  By definition, HR is the company's friend, not yours, and they will do what is best for the company.  A friend stands by you regardless, HR does not." CreationDate="2017-11-22T13:49:19.850" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14215" PostId="4935" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I made this a Comm Wiki so we can all enhance its definition. It seems that the other side of the story, when one could go to HR directly, may be added to complement what stated here (feel free to do so). In general, several situations (hence why a meme) involving HR in TWP and questions asked are about stuff where you should not go to HR as is, or are about things that should be handled in other ways. Hence the warning to not confuse HR with your buddy and best friend, but always remember it as a professional interaction." CreationDate="2017-11-22T15:21:28.703" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14219" PostId="4935" Score="0" Text="I understand the point. I haven't like the message in many contexts. I think it's too snarky, and makes it seem to definitive. It does not support my opinion, and I don't think it should be the default opinion at The Workplace. I will try to soften the impact with comments as needed, if this is actually used. I would prefer that it not be a standard response here." CreationDate="2017-11-22T17:20:07.857" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14223" PostId="4935" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I see, and I agree that it should not be the default opinion here. Snarky or not, it seems to be a real trend this one, which has its own merit and degree of truth within the meme. I also agree and support your suggestion of being vigilant to possible abuses of this (and *any* other catchphrases), and ask for clarification in comments if the poster just included a plain &quot;HR is not your Friend&quot; without giving reasons *why* that is true in *that* case. Again, it would be great if you could/want to rephrase this one a bit so it is not so biased." CreationDate="2017-11-22T17:27:14.637" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14251" PostId="4935" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus - *&quot;Since that I never even asked HR even for a advice.&quot;* - that's exactly what I don't want to see people to take from this meme." CreationDate="2017-11-23T13:11:41.197" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14252" PostId="4935" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere even if this were a negative meme (I edited to clarify we dont despise hr), seems this is reality in some cases, as people relate. *That* is what a meme is, we may not like it but seems to be a trend (one to avoid maybe?). Documenting it here enables us to have these discussions about this situation and the way we wish to handle or overcome them. Good thing this is slowly being DVted, maybe it was just a perception I had :) seems that we will still have to remind users about HR not being your mommy/buddy when they ask things where HR is not the way to go." CreationDate="2017-11-23T13:58:46.783" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14254" PostId="4935" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus - HR has it's place in a company and it's important to understand what they do and what they don't do when it is asked or when it comes up in the context of a question/answer. I worry that blithely tossing off &quot;HR is not your friend&quot; will lead to reactions of &quot;Well then I won't ever consult with HR&quot;. I get that some have had bad experiences. But many of us have had good experiences too. And I've had bad experiences with some folks in Payroll, Accounting, Development, QA, etc. I would never write &quot;Dev is not your friend&quot; as a recurring theme. We just need to be careful here." CreationDate="2017-11-23T15:06:58.007" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14255" PostId="4935" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere agree, we have to be careful. It's not like *every* time we say this meme. We should be aware of possible abuse or misuse of such. I rephrased the post several times now to make it more &quot;neutral&quot;, please check the bold and italic part, where the main reason of the meme is explained. It is not that we despise hr by default, but people asking on TWP seem to have such confusion about the nature of HR, thus why that meme was morn (several years ago apparently). But yeah, we should be *really careful with its use*." CreationDate="2017-11-23T15:19:02.563" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14256" PostId="4935" Score="0" Text="One of the things that bothers me about this meme (and memes in general) is the use of terms like &quot;we&quot; and &quot;common knowledge&quot;. That makes it come across as a &quot;wisdom of the crowd&quot; thing. This &quot;we&quot; may not include me. This &quot;common knowledge&quot; may not include me. If the community decides to adopt these memes and their use becomes frequent, I'll have to write comments to indicate my disagreement when appropriate. I'd rather not have that battle of comments. I'd rather people deal with comments/answers on an individual basis, rather than meme-based. Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way." CreationDate="2017-11-23T15:24:31.973" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14261" PostId="4935" Score="0" Text="@Joe FWIW, [You Are Not Alone](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAreNotAlone) on this. I agree that the wording of this &quot;standard advice&quot; is way too harsh, and it is easy to interpret it as &quot;HR is your enemy&quot;,  especially by workplace newbies (newbies in a real workplace, not this site, I mean). Perhaps a more neutral tone would be more appropriate. I don't know what that would be though. &quot;HR is just doing their job&quot; or thereabout, maybe?" CreationDate="2017-11-23T17:36:37.613" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14216" PostId="4939" Score="0" Text="I always have to read twice this acronym... you know, just to be sure that **I** didn't skip any letters." CreationDate="2017-11-22T15:30:38.817" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14230" PostId="4939" Score="2" Text="I think a glossary of common acronyms makes sense." CreationDate="2017-11-22T18:27:42.260" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14260" PostId="4939" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere related: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3207/acronyms-best-practice" CreationDate="2017-11-23T17:15:25.397" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14220" PostId="4940" Score="1" Text="Should we be directing folks to another website on a recurring basis? I thought that was frowned on?" CreationDate="2017-11-22T17:21:00.670" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14229" PostId="4940" Score="0" Text="Probably not redirecting them, I agree with that, I think one better use is to Quote that advice or read those posts to be better prepared to give sound advice to people on TWP." CreationDate="2017-11-22T17:56:09.087" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14232" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="whoa didn't get this one... would you mind enlightening me about it?" CreationDate="2017-11-22T21:58:24.240" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14233" PostId="4943" Score="3" Text="@Darkcygnus It's pretty straight forward.  If you say &quot;I'm a programmer and I want to use technology ABC in the workplace because I think it's the bees knees.  How do I convince my manager that it's a good idea?&quot; your question is much less likely to be closed than if your question was &quot;I'm an accountant and I want to use accounting tool ABC in the workplace because I think it's the bees knees.  How do I convince my manager that it's a good idea?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-11-22T23:56:18.980" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="14234" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="I see ... so you sense a bias on the close votes that give preference to IT questions" CreationDate="2017-11-23T00:03:56.250" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14235" PostId="4943" Score="2" Text="@DarkCygnus Also bias to edit in my experience.  For example stripping &quot;I'm a mechanic and my boss told me that using tool ABC is no longer allowed.  I was so mad I walked out and got written up.  How can I recover from this?&quot; down to &quot;I was so mad I walked out and got written up.  How can I recover from this?&quot;  is much more likely than doing the same for &quot;I'm a programmer and my boss told me that using inheritance is no longer allowed.  I was so mad I walked out and got written up.  How can I recover from this?&quot;" CreationDate="2017-11-23T00:07:56.873" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="14236" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus  While it's not fun info, the idea that IT/Dev questions are held to a different standard is valuable information to non-tech folks considering becoming part of our community." CreationDate="2017-11-23T00:10:49.783" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="14238" PostId="4943" Score="1" Text="&quot;Due to the large number of folks here in IT and software development, questions focusing on those domains are held to a different standard than other domains. &quot; - I completely disagree. If it is happening, it shouldn't." CreationDate="2017-11-23T00:56:59.453" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14241" PostId="4943" Score="2" Text="We should actively work to prevent this from happening. This meme should not be used as a justification for this practice. I would suggest that you write a few lines about this, so that this meme doesn't get misused to justify treating IT workplace as special. I received similar feedback on my &quot;Keep Calm and Vote to Close&quot; meme, and I agree. These memes should not be seen as a justification for bad practices." CreationDate="2017-11-23T04:18:05.677" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14253" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I fight the good fight on this but given the nature of our community it's an unfortunate reality.  Casual users VTC, edit, and up/down vote with their interests rather than strictly comparing to community standards as written.  I'm not saying this is how it should be but the whole purpose of this question is &quot;common knowledge gathered with time and that may help the reader to effectively and efficiently navigate the workplace&quot;.  As a non-tech member of this SE I feel this info completely fits the bill as information to help navigate this SE for non-tech people." CreationDate="2017-11-23T14:07:42.050" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="14257" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@Myles - I understand. It makes me sad that some folks feel this way. I don't think it's inevitable. I worry that memifying it could make non-tech folks feel unwelcome/less welcome. And I think this community would be worse off for that." CreationDate="2017-11-23T15:30:34.877" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14263" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere As things sit today the alternative is that non-tech folks are made to feel less welcome by being marginalized by the community.  If I were coming in today dewy eyed and wet behind the ears, I'd rather know up front that there are two sets of standards in this community rather than figuring it out by experiencing it.  Maybe that's just me though." CreationDate="2017-11-23T21:09:19.153" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="14264" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@Myles - the real alternative is not to have a double standard or marginalize anyone. When I see it happening, I try to vote and comment accordingly." CreationDate="2017-11-23T21:19:17.003" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14265" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere That's not where we sit today.  It would be lovely to have but it'd take a concerted effort within this community on an issue that wasn't being discussed before yesterday and is unlikely to be discussed again tomorrow." CreationDate="2017-11-23T21:23:15.077" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="14266" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@Myles - I don't see how a meme basically saying &quot;Unless you are in tech, this community considers you to be a second class citizen&quot; is a good thing. We'll have to agree to disagree about that." CreationDate="2017-11-23T21:28:59.773" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14271" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@Myles If you need any support fighting the good fight anywhere,  ping me in chat. As for *this* post, it is already well into the silly territory. It is blatanly obvious, even without your explanation, that you do not endorse this behaviour. However, people are downvoting it because the post is called &quot;meme&quot;,  or because they bury their head in sand and pretend that this doesn't happen, or even because they want this to happen,  that is, they want this site to be about IT, or maybe they are just confused whether this is a &quot;handbook&quot; entry or a &quot;meme&quot; entry." CreationDate="2017-11-25T17:07:08.877" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14274" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - I downvoted it because, in a question that seems to want to turn itself into a &quot;handbook&quot; or &quot;meme list&quot; or something similar, we should't be listing behaviors that we would like to stop, or list things we don't like about The Workplace. If someone wants to write a different Question, this might be a viable answer for it. But not here." CreationDate="2017-11-26T12:55:03.987" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14275" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - if we change the Question title to be &quot;Things we like and things we don't like about The Workplace&quot;, many of us could add lots more Answers." CreationDate="2017-11-26T12:56:36.430" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14276" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@Joe I understand why you downvoted, and my criticism is not of your downvote. The way this post has been setup makes it hard to understand how exactly one is supposed to vote on these responses." CreationDate="2017-11-26T13:18:18.950" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14532" PostId="4943" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere A very interesting example of this is quite active now.  This much technical detail in a question from any non-IT/Dev domain would be closed within minutes.  Additionally culling out technical detail that has nothing to do with navigating the workplace is a proven path to an edit war.  https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/104864/how-can-i-deal-with-managers-that-refused-to-accept-use-of-common-software-engin" CreationDate="2018-01-12T19:39:19.847" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="14242" PostId="4944" Score="0" Text="So sad.. been there. A way to overcome this is to start writing an answer on the SE app... then you can post it anytime you want even if the post was deleted :D" CreationDate="2017-11-23T04:47:22.797" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14243" PostId="4944" Score="0" Text="Happened to me at Academia... Oh wells." CreationDate="2017-11-23T04:50:49.340" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="14278" PostId="4949" Score="3" Text="I think it's telling that the only positively received &quot;memes&quot; on the post are actually more like glossary entries. Both are generic terms that are easily searchable online though I could see setting up a tag and wiki for &quot;bus factor&quot;. The other entries all seem rather forced to me and I'd like to think that this site is one with considerably more nuance than a meme like &quot;HR is not your friend&quot; would imply." CreationDate="2017-11-27T13:50:09.550" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14281" PostId="4949" Score="2" Text="&quot;Perhaps it's because it was thrown up late one night with no prior discussion of whether we wanted it, and more importantly what the post should look like.&quot; - yup I think that was the problem. Although it was previously discussed some days before, seems it will need more though on how should it look like. Surely the meme and the handbook parts have to be separated. Although here we may be seeing some terminology abuse/confusion, as technically any concept is a meme, but the current use of the word has degenerated and used more as &quot;internet meme&quot; or 9gag etc. But that is a different subject." CreationDate="2017-11-27T16:05:02.557" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14285" PostId="4949" Score="0" Text="&quot;it's because it was thrown up late one night with no prior discussion&quot; Uhm, actually, no, we did have a discussion at the water cooler before the post came up. See [Meme post discussion](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/conversation/meme-post-discussion). (As you would expect from chat, it is interspersed with other topics.) However, the post turned out to be different from what was discussed. The discussion was about making a &quot;meme&quot; post, but the actual post turned out to be a &quot;handbook&quot;, which led to a lot of angst and confusion, especially in posting responses and voting on them." CreationDate="2017-11-27T17:10:28.743" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14288" PostId="4949" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan From a quick scan of that, it looks like you and DarkCygnus were the only two people taking part in the meme discussion. Aside from that, not everyone frequents chat, and if you aren't present at the time of discussion (1700-0500 in my timezone), you aren't likely to see that it even happened." CreationDate="2017-11-27T17:28:15.613" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14289" PostId="4949" Score="1" Text="@DavidK Sorry, that came out wrong. I didn't mean to contradict your point,  your point is certainly valid. Two guys discussing in chat doesn't constitute much of a &quot;community discussion&quot;. What I was trying to say was the post wasn't started on a whim, and regardless,  it didn't match what was proposed in chat. A few other guys were present in the chat room at the time though, although even assuming their silence on the matter as agreement, that is still way below the threshold to establish consensis." CreationDate="2017-11-27T17:39:30.637" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14290" PostId="4949" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Agreed, thanks for the clarification." CreationDate="2017-11-27T18:03:18.967" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14295" PostId="4949" Score="1" Text="Here is an [example from another site](https://judaism.meta.stackexchange.com/q/581/472) of a glossary (not meme collection).  It's much more extensive than anything we might need (because Mi Yodeya has lots of specialized technical terms), but the approach taken there has worked well for us for quite some time, so might be worth a look." CreationDate="2017-11-27T21:01:03.320" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14297" PostId="4949" Score="0" Text="I asked our kind mods to put on hold the Post in question, at least until we find out the way we want to implement it in TWP. I suggest we discuss this in chat further to see what further steps we can take." CreationDate="2017-11-27T21:03:38.307" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14298" PostId="4949" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal but **HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND**  I do think that there is some nuance to that, or so many people wouldn't be interpreting it as &quot;NEVER GO TO HR&quot;." CreationDate="2017-11-27T21:20:55.833" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14302" PostId="4949" Score="1" Text="@TheSnarkKnight If there's enough nuance to it that it can be so easily misinterpreted, then maybe we shouldn't be using it so often that it has become a meme." CreationDate="2017-11-28T12:46:25.010" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14311" PostId="4949" Score="1" Text="No, we don't need this." CreationDate="2017-11-29T18:27:08.050" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14315" PostId="4949" Score="0" Text="@DavidK if I had a penny for everything that was misinterpreted on SE, I could retire" CreationDate="2017-11-30T20:09:05.807" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14293" PostId="4951" Score="0" Text="I agree with your first half, but I don't think the handbook questions you suggest would be helpful. Things like that would be better as a canonical (maybe wiki) Q&amp;A on the *main* site, not Meta. While I think those could be appropriate, they should be addressed and discussed on a case by case basis before posting them." CreationDate="2017-11-27T20:58:07.067" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14299" PostId="4951" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Agreed. I follow Walfrat's reasoning here but I wonder if there's really a need for anything like a handbook or glossary. The example Monica linked above is on a site with loads of jargon that can do with clear explanations. We more likely use industry standard terms and any obscure ones can just be linked to Wikipedia in my experience. As for a handbook I agree that the combination of canonical questions on main, perhaps coupled with better explained custom close reasons, would be a better way to accomplish it." CreationDate="2017-11-27T22:07:46.377" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14301" PostId="4951" Score="0" Text="@DavidK I wasn't very sure about my questions. I think there is a difference between what would look like a canonical question/answer and what I wrote. I listed basically the classic steps **before asking us** to solve a common problem. And this is where I think we have the meta/handbook part : how we would expect people to try to solve some common problems before asking us. Also would be a good memo to those who read questions and are wondering what more information they would expect from OP." CreationDate="2017-11-28T12:29:41.913" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="14282" PostId="4952" Score="0" Text="I think that both quotes are saying really similar things in different phrasings. However, I do agree that separating those two aspects you describe might be a good idea, and seems other users notice the same." CreationDate="2017-11-27T16:24:56.257" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14283" PostId="4952" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Similar but displaying nuanced differences is also a meme of sorts in this community." CreationDate="2017-11-27T16:28:36.423" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="14284" PostId="4952" Score="0" Text="Maybe you are right. Even though, the point I think is more important that you mentioned is the need of separation or clarification between those two. Maybe separate posts for both purposes (or just for the concepts and ideas one), or maybe some indicator in the answer about its nature." CreationDate="2017-11-27T16:30:50.680" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14291" PostId="4953" Score="6" Text="Yep, this was reported on [MSE](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/303760/wrong-reputation-calculation)" CreationDate="2017-11-27T20:40:54.007" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="14292" PostId="4953" Score="0" Text="@Catija thanks, just saw that Meta Post also :) In my case, this happened only with my TWP rep. My SO rep I gained today is fine (just 12 reps but still)" CreationDate="2017-11-27T20:42:16.463" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14397" PostId="4953" Score="0" Text="@Catija be aware that &quot;MSE&quot; is also a widely used acronym for &quot;mathematics stack exchange.&quot; To avoid confusion, I use Meta SE and Math SE respectively." CreationDate="2017-12-08T17:45:22.280" UserId="67057" />
  <row Id="14398" PostId="4953" Score="1" Text="@StellaBiderman It's a link... and everyone uses &quot;MSE&quot; to mean Meta Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2017-12-08T17:46:59.980" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="14399" PostId="4953" Score="0" Text="@Catija Actually, the convention is to use mSE for Meta Stack Exchange but it's only required _when it's ambiguous_." CreationDate="2017-12-08T17:58:43.797" UserId="49123" />
  <row Id="14400" PostId="4953" Score="1" Text="@wizzwizz4 I've been on MSE for years and never seen anyone use that that I know of... but sure. I use MSE for meta, Math for Math.SE... but I rarely refer to the latter." CreationDate="2017-12-08T18:00:52.247" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="14401" PostId="4953" Score="0" Text="I have to agree with @Catija on that terminology. Never heard of MSE being used as Math Stack Exchange. Still discussing that seems tangential to the content of this post, or am I missing something here?" CreationDate="2017-12-08T18:15:21.540" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14402" PostId="4953" Score="0" Text="@Catija [Here's an example](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/26740460#26740460) (mod-only because reasons) of MSE being used to mean Math Stack Exchange. It's fairly common." CreationDate="2017-12-08T18:31:05.237" UserId="49123" />
  <row Id="14403" PostId="4953" Score="0" Text="Though it used to be rather common, admittedly mSE is not often used any more (survey of TL messages)." CreationDate="2017-12-08T18:33:38.790" UserId="49123" />
  <row Id="14303" PostId="4954" Score="1" Text="Y U need no Memes?! (I love the use of memes in this post explaining that we need no memes)" CreationDate="2017-11-28T16:58:45.223" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14316" PostId="4954" Score="1" Text="It appears that this has become [SERIOUS BUSINESS](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SeriousBusiness)" CreationDate="2017-11-30T20:11:10.760" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14304" PostId="4955" Score="1" Text="did you ask folks at these other sites (in chat or meta) whether they want them moved there or not? Also please keep in mind that after 60 days system doesn't let migrate" CreationDate="2017-11-29T04:53:09.870" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14305" PostId="4955" Score="0" Text="no, but I should. I only based off of the help center FAQ" CreationDate="2017-11-29T04:53:58.637" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="14307" PostId="4955" Score="2" Text="You should be able to see any moderator comments on your flags from your personal flag page. You can reach it from the &quot;### helpful flags&quot; link on your user profile, below your &quot;impact&quot;. [This](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/flag-summary/38289) should be your URL. What you should be able to see there is: &quot;*Given the age of the question and the likelihood of it being ill-received in its current state (too long, possibly off-topic) we can't migrate it. Best to ask a new question on PM.SE instead.*&quot;" CreationDate="2017-11-29T08:50:32.093" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14308" PostId="4955" Score="1" Text="Ahh, thank you for the clarification. I didn’t know that I can see the messages." CreationDate="2017-11-29T12:22:52.310" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="14309" PostId="4955" Score="3" Text="And don't forget the [golden rule of migration](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/91446/260884)." CreationDate="2017-11-29T13:31:14.170" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14306" PostId="4956" Score="2" Text="I feel with the recent [interpersonal skills](https://interpersonal.stackexchange.com) stack exchange, that list of other sites should be re-visited. We do seem to be getting a few questions being closed off as being better suited for there" CreationDate="2017-11-29T08:46:29.747" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="14310" PostId="4956" Score="0" Text="@Draken I agree with you... but I doubt that happens unless we all ask for it (like we managed the Be Nice post Notice, with lead of IDAIKT, but support and thinking it through from behalf of us all and some time for that to happen). I recall several other sites want/wanted to do so, but ignore how that ended... at least we could use other option there besides the only one we got (Meta TWP, lol)!! :) but yeah, I would guess it's &quot;just&quot; some Query to SEs backend that fills the options of that list, so it should be &quot;easy&quot; to add other option (unless they were hard-coded haha)" CreationDate="2017-11-29T14:11:40.640" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14312" PostId="4958" Score="8" Text="&quot;I also have made an edit to remove the comparison, which was approved, but the user has chosen to revert that edit.&quot; - I was the one who approved the edit. I'm sad that it has been reverted. I agree that making comparisons to Nazis and NAMBLA was uncalled for and completely unnecessary to make the point. I think the otherwise good answer is poorer for it." CreationDate="2017-11-30T18:26:45.297" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14313" PostId="4958" Score="3" Text="Seems that I was the second vote of approval for that edit. I also though that @Ben 's edit was good, and still think that a post should refrain from including such comments. As Jan Doggen once commented to me, we should avoid  [Godwin's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law) ... tempted to roll back the changes again" CreationDate="2017-11-30T18:33:43.990" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14314" PostId="4958" Score="6" Text="I think it's ironic an answer is using a bunch of examples which are over the top for many people to point out that a line definitely exists for whether a magazine is appropriate. I can't decide if it's a incredibly well done subtle irony or not.." CreationDate="2017-11-30T18:43:39.613" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="14317" PostId="4958" Score="5" Text="FWIW I very nearly approved the  edit, except that the edit summary said I was comparing the DM with those and I very clearly was not. A different edit summary might have had a different outcome. The fact remains, as I commented on the answer, that until I pointed out you-cannot-disagree examples of over-the-line publications, the consensus was no line existed and management can provide whatever it likes." CreationDate="2017-11-30T20:13:13.890" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="14318" PostId="4958" Score="5" Text="@KateGregory You certainly were comparing them: You said one was clearly &quot;over the line&quot;, but it was not clear that the other was. That is in every sense a comparison. Even if you disagree with that, it is certainly a nasty insinuation." CreationDate="2017-11-30T21:20:45.463" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14320" PostId="4958" Score="6" Text="@KateGregory I suppose it's possible that you were just being very clumsy when you wrote the answer, and forgot that contrast by juxtaposition is a writing technique taught in school (in England it's literally on the curriculum). But that excuse no longer applies. You were certainly doing it on purpose when you reverted the edit, and you are now. Hence the question: **Officially, According To Stack Overflow, is it OK to compare readers of a mainstream newspaper you don't like to Nazis and paedophiles?**" CreationDate="2017-11-30T21:55:15.793" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14321" PostId="4958" Score="11" Text="I disagree. When other answers are literally saying that any and all printed material is fine, pointing out that there exists material that is not fine is a valid thing to do. It does not follow, even by juxtaposition, that I am saying the material the OP objected to was equivalent to that material nobody would argue with. It means that I chose extreme examples to get through to people, this is not about offering a flavor of coffee you don't like or painting the walls a colour you don't like." CreationDate="2017-12-01T00:28:11.187" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="14322" PostId="4958" Score="1" Text="At the time I handled an offensive flag on that post, the Nazi/pedophile part was not there and I declined the flag.  (I didn't compare timestamps on the flag and edits.)   Just mentioning that in case the flagger is wondering what happened to the flag." CreationDate="2017-12-01T03:06:36.633" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14323" PostId="4958" Score="3" Text="Explain how this violates the Be Nice policy. &quot;compare&quot; to a Nazi? yes, that's fine as long as it's done objectively and explains *why* beyond mere opinion. Outright *call* them Nazis? ... no, I'm pretty sure you can't do that. I've seen some highest voted answers that I think are garbage, too; your option is to DV them and realize that SE is, by far, *not* immune to social dynamics." CreationDate="2017-12-01T03:44:32.083" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="14324" PostId="4958" Score="7" Text="@Ben You seem to be massively overthinking this and doing your utmost to interpret meaning and subtext that simply isn't there. As Kate herself said, she used deliberately extreme examples to prove that there is something akin to a sliding scale of controversy. The DM is somewhere on that scale, as is the Financial Times, Vogue, or any other publication you can think of. It's a clever way to make the argument that the debate of whether the DM is beyond the pale is largely irrelevant, it's sufficient to realise that some people will consider it to be." CreationDate="2017-12-01T08:24:19.530" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14325" PostId="4958" Score="9" Text="The worst you could accuse this text of is that it puts the DM and the concepts of national-socialism and paedophilia in the same paragraph. But the mere fact that they're close together is not enough for this to qualify as rhetorical juxtaposition. You need an actual implication or insinuation for that and that's simply not present. Perhaps you could call it a sort of negative framing or a coloured/poisoned narrative but it most definitely does not even come close to the association fallacy that you're presenting it as here." CreationDate="2017-12-01T08:24:24.207" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14326" PostId="4958" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio I was wondering that. Now that the Nazi/Paedophilia part has been reinstated should I flag again?" CreationDate="2017-12-01T08:50:35.830" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14327" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Firstly, yes, even if that was all there was, it is enough. Secondly, as I pointed out, that's not all there was. Kate makes a direct comparison, in the text, in so many words." CreationDate="2017-12-01T08:52:46.660" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14328" PostId="4958" Score="5" Text="@Ben Which words are these? There are zero comparisons being made to those examples as far as I can see. The argument she's making is essentially: &quot;*There is a line on the scale of controversy. X, Y and Z are clearly across it for most people. Action can be taken against stuff that is over the line. A is somewhere on that scale and some segment of people will place it past that line. Ergo for some people action can/should be taken against A.*&quot; None of that in any way makes the argument that A is similar to X, Y or Z at any level, except that all can be placed on the scale." CreationDate="2017-12-01T09:34:52.403" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14329" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Stating that two things are at points on the same scale is comparing them. This is not a difficult concept." CreationDate="2017-12-01T09:40:26.830" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14330" PostId="4958" Score="4" Text="@Ben So if Kate had mentioned The Rainbow Fish as an example of a publication that no one would think to be across the line, you'd take offence at her Nazi Fish comparison? Is that really the argument that you're making here?" CreationDate="2017-12-01T10:10:53.527" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14331" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I have no idea what the rainbow fish is, so if she compared the two in that way I would probably think it was a far-right publication, yes." CreationDate="2017-12-01T10:44:01.350" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14332" PostId="4958" Score="4" Text="Does this mean the newspaper is also a communist newspaper? It's mentioned during the question, so now I'm clearly making those comparisons..." CreationDate="2017-12-01T10:48:56.020" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="14335" PostId="4958" Score="4" Text="@Ben: regarding your recent edit I think more likely that people disagree with your premise that the post compared daily mail readers to nazis. The top voted answer says &quot;She specifically does not imply that the DM and these fictional periodicals are at the same level&quot; so how you draw the conclusion that people upvoting this means that they approve of making that comparison is beyond me..." CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:12:38.147" UserId="5416" />
  <row Id="14336" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="@Chris In the question I **specifically** call out that she says they are not &quot;at the same level&quot;. **Twice**. That's what a comparison is, when you put two things together and say how they compare. **that is what a comparison is.**" CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:18:32.427" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14337" PostId="4958" Score="11" Text="I have VTCd this as this seems more like a vendetta/rant rather than a discussion - you're clearly not intending to listen to anything other than comments supporting your view.  You've also extended the context of Kate's original wording out of all reasonable proportion.  I fully accept that you'll rebut this comment by implying that I'm a Nazi sympathiser (which of course I'm not)." CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:29:45.097" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="14346" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="@Ben If everyone else thinks the water is *blue*, and you insist its green, have you actually considered the water may be *blue* and you are wrong?" CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:53:57.380" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14348" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive, yes that's why I checked the dictionary definition of &quot;comparison&quot; to make sure that I was right. I'm serious." CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:06:42.590" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14349" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="So everyone else here that thinks Kate Gregory wrote a good answer and made a legit statement is wrong and you are right @Ben ???? SMH" CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:08:20.867" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14350" PostId="4958" Score="3" Text="I never said it wasn't a good answer! I said *that comparison should be removed*. I made an edit which *didn't change the answer* just removed the offending comparison, which was accepted by two approvers, then Kate rolled it back. @MisterPositive" CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:10:56.990" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14351" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="@Ben The comparison is fine too.  Time for you to move along regarding this point before you find yourself in timeout.  I hope your reading the moderators comments..." CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:12:35.937" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14356" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="@Ben: Referencing  https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/compare I took your use of the word compare to mean definitions 1.1 and moreso 1.2 (explicitly called out as &quot;comparing something to&quot;). This is the obvious interpretation of you saying &quot;the user compares readers of the Daily Mail to Nazis and paedophiles&quot; (note the structure &quot;the user compares something to something&quot;). If this isn't what you meant then I suggest you update your question to be clearer. I believe understanding this meaning may help you to understand what other answers are actually disagreeing with.." CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:29:53.113" UserId="5416" />
  <row Id="14357" PostId="4958" Score="1" Text="@chris, Both 1.2 and 1.3 apply here. She is drawing an analogy (1.2) and stating that one is worse than the other (1.3). &quot;Have a specified relationship with another thing or person in terms of nature or quality.&quot;" CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:36:52.357" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14358" PostId="4958" Score="0" Text="Except 1.3 says &quot;no object, with adverbial&quot; so doesn't apply here. Anyway, I am not wanting to get all pedantic about this. I am pretty sure most people reading your post interpreted it as 1.2. The poster of the original answer didn't use the word compare at all so I'm not sure why you are trying to discuss what definition of compare applies to her post..." CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:41:50.573" UserId="5416" />
  <row Id="14359" PostId="4958" Score="1" Text="@Chris I used the word &quot;compare&quot; in my question, to describe her post. People claimed I was wrong to do so. That's why I am discussing the meaning of the word compare. I thought that was clear." CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:43:35.057" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14319" PostId="4959" Score="4" Text="If someone points out that you, David, are not a Nazi, the implication is that there was *some question* about that. Unfortunately the English language is not primarily a tool for expressing logical statements, so these nuances exist. ... That's why we have words for them like &quot;innuendo&quot;, &quot;insinuation&quot;, &quot;implication&quot;, &quot;allusion&quot;, &quot;overtone&quot;, &quot;hint&quot; and so forth. We have **a lot** of words for ways to imply meaning without actually saying it and one should **take care** around tricky  subjects to avoid these traps. If, that is, one is not doing it on purpose." CreationDate="2017-11-30T21:33:38.553" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14338" PostId="4959" Score="0" Text="&quot;I have said that Kate is not making that comparison&quot;. You can say that all you like but it is not true. She explicitly compares them: One is &quot;over the line&quot;, the other, people &quot;might not agree&quot; that it is over the line. Relates two things, and says how they compare. **That's a comparison**" CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:30:41.657" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14339" PostId="4959" Score="1" Text="@Ben Kate also *&quot;compares&quot;* (In your words) the newspaper with communists, but your biggest beef appears to be with the comparison to the other two. Why is that? Why do you not have an issue with the reference to communism but do with Nazism? Surely both are not great political agendas to aline a paper with?" CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:34:28.977" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="14340" PostId="4959" Score="1" Text="@Draken don't try to read my mind. I object to all three. All are unacceptable." CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:36:01.853" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14342" PostId="4959" Score="8" Text="@Ben But you're happy with putting words in the mouth of our other users? Selectively taking a section of an answer because it fits your narrative? Your answer was downvoted because people don't agree that's what Kate's answer provided. You're reading far too much between the lines and are making links where there aren't any" CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:39:24.980" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="14343" PostId="4959" Score="1" Text="@Draken I'm not trying to &quot;create a narrative&quot; I'm trying to get a vile and unacceptable insinuation removed. I just cannot understand how anyone can think this is OK." CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:45:02.990" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14344" PostId="4959" Score="5" Text="Her answer is excellent.  Time to let the rant end. @Ben" CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:46:30.877" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14347" PostId="4959" Score="11" Text="@Ben why is it ok for you to dismiss others with &quot;that is not true&quot; but it is not ok for others to say &quot;that is not true&quot; to you?  You are interpreting this differently than most of other people who've been involved here.  Your conclusion (in your question edit) is inaccurate and unfounded.  You are welcome to believe that about this site if that's what you really want, but what you have said is not an accurate characterization of site policy.  Please stop misrepresenting the site's users and moderators." CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:54:56.910" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14352" PostId="4959" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio you are representing yourselves just fine. Whatever the written policy is, the real policy is what you allow. I'm just noting what you allow." CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:22:19.570" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14354" PostId="4959" Score="8" Text="No, you're noting what you say we allow, which is not actually what we allow. I suspect I'm being trolled, so I'll stop responding. You can show me I'm not being trolled by doing something that shows you've thoughtfully considered the feedback you've gotten. Until then, have a nice day in your version of reality." CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:27:55.660" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14341" PostId="4961" Score="0" Text="No the assumption is that the readers of the Nazi literature would be Nazis, and it is those readers who are being compared to Daily Mail readers. Muatatis mutandis for the other examples." CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:38:15.173" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14345" PostId="4961" Score="7" Text="@Ben, I'm sorry you're so upset about this.  If you have a park nearby to where you are, I suggest you go there and walk around looking at the trees and so forth and unplug for a while." CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:51:54.520" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="14353" PostId="4961" Score="1" Text="Thank you that's pretty much the first nice thing since @joestrazzere and DarkCygnus first commented. Even if you are being sarcastic :-)" CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:26:29.383" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14360" PostId="4961" Score="2" Text="@Ben, you're welcome, and no, not being sarcastic.  Also make sure you are taking care of yourself—when I find myself getting into arguments or even just getting upset or angry, 100% of the time I find I'm either tired or hungry or both.  Life suddenly looks a lot brighter after eating and sleeping.  :-)" CreationDate="2017-12-01T16:56:39.427" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="14376" PostId="4961" Score="1" Text="Just to point out, the reason for propaganda is to sway readers while providing an inherently less overtly objectionable format for a message. No one should assume all of the readers of Breitbart, for example, are racist misogynistic homophobic neo-nazis. But the agenda behind Breitbart itself clearly aligns with related causes. DM clearly exists to sell shite of any form (regardless of truth) in any form that attracts eyeballs, but there have been many substantial allegations of bias. It feels like Kate's hyperbolic hypothetical hit a nerve that might be worth examining in a quieter setting" CreationDate="2017-12-05T16:29:32.520" UserId="33363" />
  <row Id="14363" PostId="4962" Score="6" Text="I think that the ratio of upvotes to downvotes here fairly clearly reiterates the point that very few people believe that the OP has &quot;created an... insinuation or implication&quot;. If I were to point out that Labour, The Greens, The Conservatives and the BNP are all on the Left / Right political scale, would you accuse me of comparing the BNP to Labour?" CreationDate="2017-12-01T20:01:51.043" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14368" PostId="4962" Score="0" Text="@tim the OP certainly is comparing the DM to Nazis. she is comparing them, and saying which is worse - Nazis are worse. That is comparing. This is not a hard concept. She is not saying they are the same, but she is comparing them." CreationDate="2017-12-01T20:48:41.880" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14369" PostId="4962" Score="4" Text="Sorry I've deleted that comment - I missed the edit window. Here's the edited version: *&quot;Does it violate the &quot;be nice&quot; policy to compare people to paedophiles and Nazis?&quot;* - the answer to that is a resounding no. *&quot;most people are nicer than Nazis&quot;* is a direct comparison and is allowed on this site. The real question is &quot;Is the OP equating Nazis and the Daily Mail?&quot; and you have said yourself that the OP is not equating them you admit the OP is *&quot;saying which is worse - Nazis are worse&quot;*. That's not the opposite of equating (negating), and there's nothing wrong with it." CreationDate="2017-12-01T20:57:46.993" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14370" PostId="4962" Score="0" Text="@tim I didn't suggest she was equating I asked whether a gratuitous comparison was wrong. It is. Of course it is." CreationDate="2017-12-01T21:09:07.697" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14371" PostId="4962" Score="2" Text="Of course there’s nothing wrong with a comparison. What about comparison is against the “Be Nice”?" CreationDate="2017-12-01T21:19:53.250" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14372" PostId="4962" Score="0" Text="@tim Making a comparison can carry the implication that there is some open question about how similar the things are, or else why bring it up? You know that. Everybody knows that. " CreationDate="2017-12-01T21:27:16.963" UserDisplayName="user44634" />
  <row Id="14373" PostId="4962" Score="2" Text="That’s the whole point of a comparison. There’s no implication here - the OP is comparing the Daily Mail with Nazis. The whole point of a comparison is to question how similar two things are. Let’s say I write this: `if (a&lt;b)`. That’s a comparison. If it’s true we know a is less than b. Nowhere in that statement does it suggest that a and b must be close." CreationDate="2017-12-01T21:29:23.310" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14378" PostId="4962" Score="0" Text="This is not about is the answer right or wrong this is about should the moderators be actively  discouraging content that the majority of the population likely finds objectionable." CreationDate="2017-12-06T16:21:51.760" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14361" PostId="4964" Score="1" Text="See also: [What is a &quot;locked&quot; post? - When should a post be locked?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/22228)" CreationDate="2017-12-01T17:39:41.800" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14375" PostId="4964" Score="1" Text="I locked it when a series of flags indicated that the OP was engaging in destructive edits and a rollback war with the community." CreationDate="2017-12-01T22:44:24.297" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="14333" PostId="4965" Score="0" Text="thx.  should I delete this q then?" CreationDate="2017-12-01T14:49:01.407" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14334" PostId="4965" Score="7" Text="I wouldn't. Accept the answer and move on. It's a good example of why questions can get locked. The only way I'd consider deleting it is if the original question is deleted and even then I don't know if I would." CreationDate="2017-12-01T15:01:52.437" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="14407" PostId="4965" Score="0" Text="I don't think &quot;rolling it back&quot; explains why it was a problem. The OP was repeatedly vandalizing their post; it was locked to stop them doing that." CreationDate="2017-12-11T07:12:20.167" UserId="30756" />
  <row Id="14408" PostId="4965" Score="1" Text="@QPaysTaxes we will occasionally lock posts for either reason. Sometimes people get into &quot;rollback wars&quot; (where someone makes an edit and then it gets reverted/applied over and over again). I guess I use that phrase for both situations, I'll clarify in my answer here." CreationDate="2017-12-11T15:26:47.947" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="14377" PostId="4966" Score="2" Text="I think we have a tendency to label anything without a definitive answer or with multiple valid answers as &quot;too broad&quot; or &quot;unclear&quot; which I think is a mistake.  Granted, that's a discussion for another place however.  Voted to reopen." CreationDate="2017-12-06T16:03:24.490" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="14379" PostId="4968" Score="0" Text="me too ;) vote casted" CreationDate="2017-12-07T01:16:36.093" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14380" PostId="4969" Score="0" Text="I think your answer already covers it, I doubt others may come that say something much different. But yes, this one is not asking for **legal advise** its just wondering if they can do that (not an advice on what legal actions to take). I think this is key to correctly VTC a &quot;legal&quot; question. Final vote to reopen." CreationDate="2017-12-07T16:38:06.570" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14385" PostId="4969" Score="0" Text="I closed on the third vote because the location was missing. With that added this should be answerable in a general sense as your answer shows. I think your answer might actually belong more on a general &quot;Can my employer...&quot; question but there's a risk that that's too general to really answer properly." CreationDate="2017-12-07T16:59:12.203" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14392" PostId="4969" Score="0" Text="@lilienthal yeah I left the other region info in my answer so as to make it potentially useful for future readers" CreationDate="2017-12-07T19:49:21.440" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="14381" PostId="4971" Score="0" Text="What about the other questions I asked?" CreationDate="2017-12-07T16:47:52.373" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14382" PostId="4971" Score="1" Text="I actually just went to my recent meta Q to do that edit (so I could answer &quot;yes&quot; to &quot;have I ever done it&quot;) only to see that you had already done so!" CreationDate="2017-12-07T16:49:39.923" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="14383" PostId="4971" Score="0" Text="Have edited in answers to your other questions :)" CreationDate="2017-12-07T16:51:36.437" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="14384" PostId="4971" Score="0" Text="Lol, yes I saw that I casted the final reopen vote so I thought that convenient. I am a quick scamp :v" CreationDate="2017-12-07T16:52:27.767" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14386" PostId="4971" Score="1" Text="Pretty much my take on it. That prefix helps save a lot of time. We've gotten quite a lot more of these threads lately (which is good) and they're also usually handled very quickly and efficiently (also good) so it makes sense to mark them as &quot;completed&quot;. Those threads don't usually serve much purpose after the reopen." CreationDate="2017-12-07T17:02:08.387" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14387" PostId="4971" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal what if the post gets closed again?... I think the edit should be done when a trend has settled. What do you think about that?" CreationDate="2017-12-07T17:11:50.377" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14388" PostId="4971" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus Sure, I wouldn't add it on questions that have proven to be divisive. But we very rarely get those. The vast majority of these questions are cases where the OP left out details in the first version, a core question was missing or the wording had to be improved." CreationDate="2017-12-07T17:13:48.727" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14389" PostId="4972" Score="1" Text="I agree. Funny thing, I have already favorited and UVted that post from Monica... didn't know that was the origin of this. I also see that you are the one who most actively carries out this direction, and actually why I asked this meta post." CreationDate="2017-12-07T17:27:35.313" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14390" PostId="4972" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus I don't know if that post was the *origin* of this practice, but it certainly became more common after that." CreationDate="2017-12-07T17:28:36.290" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14391" PostId="4972" Score="0" Text="So I guess the question now is... should we use parentheses or brackets? lol Brackets make it seem more &quot;official&quot; IMO, as per the [Closed] style" CreationDate="2017-12-07T18:43:21.057" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14393" PostId="4972" Score="2" Text="Nobody seems to be following the &quot;ideally&quot; part of that suggestion, it seems." CreationDate="2017-12-07T20:56:17.383" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14394" PostId="4972" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio This is actually quite relevant what you point out. The accepting would be actually up to the OP to accept, but in those cases the edit option is available I guess. I also suppose *both* measures can be applied at the same time, right?" CreationDate="2017-12-07T21:56:28.710" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14395" PostId="4972" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus yeah, either works, and that's a good point that only the OP can accept while anybody can edit.  A part of me would rather not see a page full of &quot;[REOPENED]&quot; down the front page because it feels a little jarring (maybe it'd be better if it were at the end), but there are good reasons and I'm not going to make a big deal over my personal preference.  I wonder what other sites do..." CreationDate="2017-12-07T22:08:22.850" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14396" PostId="4973" Score="0" Text="great poitns. The thing is that a post may go through open and close periods, so how can we programmatically determine when a post has been definitely closed or opened. However seems to be an interesting idea, at least the auto [Done] part (so it only gives freedom to users to start those threads, what if we don't want a post reopened)... I also think that &quot;Done&quot; is a bit ambiguous. Done what? Closing? Reopenong? ... maybe some other word choice?" CreationDate="2017-12-08T14:40:13.233" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14406" PostId="4973" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus SE can link questions to their reopen requests, and then have a trigger on the closing or reopening of the question which marks the reopen request appropriately. I suppose something similar can also be done by us common folk using [10k tools](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/tools?tab=close&amp;daterange=last7days), if that's updated sufficiently often. &quot;[Done] Reopen...&quot; seems fairly clear to me (reopening is done, if some other action was taken, the text should not be &quot;Done&quot;)." CreationDate="2017-12-09T11:42:53.643" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14427" PostId="4973" Score="0" Text="I like editing in the [done] at the end better than the (REOPENED) at the beginning as it currently is. It formats just like when a question is [closed] or [on hold] and just looks better. There are a few questions on the front page that have the [done] &quot;tag&quot;, and I think that's what I'll do from now on." CreationDate="2017-12-19T20:52:46.957" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14428" PostId="4973" Score="1" Text="@DavidK The only problem I have with putting it at the end is that &quot;[done]&quot; might get cut off in the featured posts, leading to people not being able to see whether or not the related question has been reopened without visiting the Meta post." CreationDate="2017-12-19T20:59:00.073" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14404" PostId="4974" Score="0" Text="Be sure to come back in January when the 2018 ad post goes up.  Ads don't automatically carry forward from year to year." CreationDate="2017-12-08T21:26:41.317" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14411" PostId="4977" Score="6" Text="Have you looked through the [help], the main threads on how closing works and the numerous previous posts on this subject on meta? We get discussions on this from new users almost like clockwork on this site. The first and most important thing you should realise is that this is a Q&amp;A site, *not a forum*. The second is likely that you should read up on how this site actually works and give yourself time to become familiar with it. You're drawing some very dubious conclusions and making some strange assumptions here." CreationDate="2017-12-17T20:39:39.723" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14412" PostId="4977" Score="2" Text="&quot;I also find when one person votes to close, a cohort of others are quick to add their votes to close as well.&quot; - that part is clear. The rest of it, not so much. Some folks *are* rather quick to pass judgement on new questions. And some folks seem to rush to be the first to vote to close new questions. As far as *bias* - I'm not sure on what basis you see this bias occurring. What kinds of questions do you see being closed that shouldn't? I see lots and lots of questions being closed, but I'm not sure I see a pattern." CreationDate="2017-12-18T19:23:05.223" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14413" PostId="4977" Score="1" Text="There are no clear lines being crossed. Rather, the heavy weights on the site sometimes have an over-bearing presence which does create a bias only felt by new members, and long forgotten by long-time members.  To answer you directly, I've found questions being closed on the dubious argument that some questions would require an expert to answer them. First, there are many experts on the forum, and secondly, you do not need to be an expert to begin with." CreationDate="2017-12-19T04:58:34.660" UserId="63996" />
  <row Id="14415" PostId="4977" Score="0" Text="even if there was a bias (which I agree that there is not), the people who look at the meta the most are the &quot;heavy weights&quot; you are talking about. If we thought there was a bias, we would have already corrected it. Take a look at the guidelines for posting a question and if you feel any of your questions was closed unfairly open a meta post explaining which question and why it was closed unfairly." CreationDate="2017-12-19T16:11:20.837" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="14414" PostId="4978" Score="5" Text="It's also fairly common to post a comment under the question questioning the close votes and offering a reason why the question should be left open." CreationDate="2017-12-19T06:44:25.187" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="14456" PostId="4979" Score="0" Text="Some clarification, you can only vote to close or open once on a particular question *in a given timeframe* (something like two months?)." CreationDate="2017-12-26T07:27:55.223" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="14416" PostId="4981" Score="1" Text="I agree with reopening the question, but I also disagree with the user's premise of &quot;these questions are illegal in the US&quot;. @Dan points out that the questions themselves aren't illegal in a comment, but I feel like it could be made more clear by editing the question to be &quot;are there categories it's illegal to discriminate against in Switzerland&quot;, which I think would still be on-topic, albeit hardly useful for any non-Swiss visitors." CreationDate="2017-12-19T17:22:46.510" UserId="1207" />
  <row Id="14417" PostId="4981" Score="2" Text="@AdamV it's a common mistake, which is why I left that aspect of the question alone.  A good answer will correct the OP on that point while also (of course) answering the question about Switzerland.  If you think making that edit will improve the question, please go ahead." CreationDate="2017-12-19T17:33:59.437" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14419" PostId="4981" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Hmm, interesting. I wonder if in a case like this we should have some sort of &quot;caveat&quot; or meta-edit on the question to point out that the assumption is actually incorrect. If Switzerland enjoys a similar gray area on this as the US it could indeed be a good intro for an answer but otherwise it's largely besides the point. In fact, perhaps it'd be better to just make that a question on its own since it's a common misconception. If we had that question we could drop a link in a comment and edit the incorrect assumption out." CreationDate="2017-12-19T18:58:03.113" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14424" PostId="4981" Score="0" Text="... presumably because some consider all legal questions off topic, even if it's something someone in HR would be expected to know, or that line is just too blurry. To be fair, the close reason doesn't mention anything about things HR professionals should know being on topic." CreationDate="2017-12-19T20:43:49.637" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14425" PostId="4981" Score="0" Text="Question was on 3 reopen votes so I've reopened it." CreationDate="2017-12-19T20:47:47.740" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14426" PostId="4981" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling Not sure if we should revisit the close reasons but this is the thread we tend to refer to when it comes to the &quot;HR should know the answer to this&quot; clause: [What is asking for legal advice?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1856/what-is-asking-for-legal-advice)" CreationDate="2017-12-19T20:50:09.040" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14446" PostId="4981" Score="0" Text="This wasn't a reopen-request ... why the (Reopened)? Should the reopen-request tag be added to this Q?" CreationDate="2017-12-21T20:21:12.303" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14461" PostId="4982" Score="0" Text="&quot;It is illegal to discriminate ... but it is not a violation of any law by itself to ask the question&quot;, how can you possibly know that is the case in any legislation? In France, if someone accuses the recruter to discriminate, he has to prove that the whole interview procedure, including questions, does not discriminate the interviewee due to illegal criteria. Otherwise, he may face a fine and up to three years in prison." CreationDate="2017-12-27T00:04:34.927" UserId="79739" />
  <row Id="14462" PostId="4982" Score="0" Text="@AdamSmith - Indeed but that question itself does not prove discrimination in any event.  But the question referenced US law not French law." CreationDate="2017-12-27T01:10:10.677" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14464" PostId="4982" Score="0" Text="I am pretty sure he has a case if he can prove something in the lines was asked: &quot;Are you a homosexual?&quot;, &quot;Are you pregnant or planning to be?&quot;. While he cannot prove by himself the question was asked, he may find other people in the same situation on GlassDoor and gather eyewitness. And as far as I understood we are taking about a situation in Switzerland." CreationDate="2017-12-27T02:52:15.303" UserId="79739" />
  <row Id="14469" PostId="4982" Score="1" Text="@AdamSmith - What if he hired the homosexual or the pregnant woman?  Is it still illegal?  The question is not illegal what you do with the information may open you up to liablity" CreationDate="2017-12-28T01:30:31.907" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14470" PostId="4982" Score="0" Text="I understand your point, and it may be possible that in an exceptional scenario the question is not used for discrimination. However, in the majority of scenarios, the interviewer has no reason to ask this question if he does not want to discriminate the candidate based on their answer.&#xA;And even if you get an offer, it does not mean the company matched the salary/benefits for a person who is planning to have a child, as an example." CreationDate="2017-12-28T15:06:46.867" UserId="79739" />
  <row Id="14471" PostId="4982" Score="0" Text="This is the same argument used to ban guns.  Guns can be used to do bad things so we need to ban guns so that people do not do bad things with them.  The words nor question are illegal.  Yes just like using a gun you need to be very careful how you use it, but the use of words is never illegal just because they could form some arrangement that looks bad.  Just asking that question will not get a lawsuit through summary judgement." CreationDate="2017-12-29T14:16:25.790" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14418" PostId="4983" Score="1" Text="*A good answer will correct the OP on that point while also (of course) answering the question about Switzerland.* Thats not how SE is supposed to work.  We put questions on hold, edit them into shape, and then have them reopened.... But dont let a silly thing like the standard process get in the way." CreationDate="2017-12-19T18:55:16.503" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14420" PostId="4983" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings that is not what I have seen on the parts of the network I frequent.  People ask the questions they actually have, wrong assumptions and all, and answers correct those assumptions.  Were that not the case, there'd never be a question on SO because all the code would work correctly." CreationDate="2017-12-19T19:00:41.223" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14421" PostId="4983" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio Strawman much?" CreationDate="2017-12-19T19:26:06.480" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14437" PostId="4983" Score="1" Text="“it is a very common misconception that it is illegal to ask these questions” maybe in Switzerland. There are several places (including Italy) where it is indeed illegal to ask. They get asked often anyways, but that's a different story." CreationDate="2017-12-21T00:04:55.020" UserId="51323" />
  <row Id="14443" PostId="4984" Score="5" Text="I'm voting to close this question as the original question has been deleted by the OP and can therefore no longer be reopened." CreationDate="2017-12-21T13:14:33.357" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14429" PostId="4985" Score="1" Text="I've always had a problem with this as well, and not just with duplicates. There's an old question on this at Meta https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/54917/distinguish-close-votes-by-reason" CreationDate="2017-12-20T12:49:00.240" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14430" PostId="4985" Score="0" Text="Though it actually looks like it's been [partially resolved](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/303456/260884), just not for duplicates..." CreationDate="2017-12-20T12:51:41.280" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14431" PostId="4985" Score="0" Text="This is just how closing works. The meta threads linked above are pretty comprehensive. I thought we also had a meta post on &quot;don't reopen questions just to close them for the 'correct' close reason&quot; but can't find it at the moment. I think the general sentiment on this site is that it's better to close as a dupe even if the question is off-topic or otherwise poor, though I personally disagree on that." CreationDate="2017-12-20T13:55:13.217" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14432" PostId="4985" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal I can understand that, however I'm not a fan of having words put in my mouth when I didn't say them, especially when I disagree with them. Dukeling also didn't agree with he Dupe, but it's been marked as if that's how they chose to close it, which seems terribly wrong" CreationDate="2017-12-20T13:57:22.477" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="14433" PostId="4985" Score="0" Text="@Draken Unfortunately, that's how those SE guys decided the system should work, and it is not just with duplicates. It has happened quite often that I vote one close reason, and the final close reason chosen is a different one but I am included in the list of close voters. It is best to just make peace with it, because those guys never listen, and always use strange excuses to justify their shoddy site design." CreationDate="2017-12-20T14:10:14.797" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14434" PostId="4985" Score="0" Text="@Draken I get the sentiment, but in this case this is a pretty classic case of a poor question regarding following up on an interview process and it's pretty common for those questions to be closed as dupes of that parent question, regardless of quality." CreationDate="2017-12-20T14:48:19.557" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14435" PostId="4985" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal This has nothing to do with the quality of that particular question or what the close reason should or should not have been; this is about the close notification stating that users did things they did not do." CreationDate="2017-12-20T15:39:52.500" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14436" PostId="4985" Score="0" Text="@DavidK I'm aware, but that's an issue to raise on main meta which is something many people appear to have tried and failed. I'm just commenting on the particular case that prompted this question because it's a classic example on this site and bound to come up more. And because if memory serves this kind of duplicate closing was once considered a good practice. (Can't seem to find a meta thread on it though)" CreationDate="2017-12-20T21:37:47.337" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14438" PostId="4986" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your proper explanation, ironically, my question was closed by people not giving proper reasoning, yet claiming I had not give proper reasoning. First, I believe the qualification of such issues as &quot;serious&quot; to be yet a method to sideline such discussions as has occurred exactly here with the holding of my topic. This is also not merely my personal opinion, but is a well understood problem within the problem.  I will comply however due to the pressure put on my question." CreationDate="2017-12-21T05:13:12.227" UserId="63996" />
  <row Id="14439" PostId="4986" Score="0" Text="Let me clarify, I do not believe the policy is racist, and by fact I'm almost certain it is not; however I believe it is systemically racist. By that I mean there is an entire complex of issues surrounding my industry, educationally and corporately, which keeps out pretty much everyone but white people. This is &quot;understood&quot; on the corporate side, and I personally have heard in staff meetings upper management raise the issue. I am looking for answers, not discussion. My question is answerable and I could begin answering it right now if it were an open question." CreationDate="2017-12-21T05:23:35.787" UserId="63996" />
  <row Id="14440" PostId="4986" Score="0" Text="There are certain individual behaviors, or certain conversations or encouragements that could be used by regular staff to help move an organization out of its group think. Yes I have worded my question polemically, if one views it from the perspective of the majority, however from the perspective of minority it would be considered plain truth and direct. My question is not about determining if systemic racism is present, the question assumes cases where it is already present and it would be up to the reader to determine if this is their situation or not--same as any other question on this site" CreationDate="2017-12-21T05:26:52.150" UserId="63996" />
  <row Id="14441" PostId="4986" Score="0" Text="I will adjust my question to adapt to some of your concerns, once I get some time.  However i want to say I truly believe my question is not especially serious, nor do I believe it is harsh, or destructive, or lacking any any evidence in the sense that any other question would need evidence." CreationDate="2017-12-21T05:28:50.143" UserId="63996" />
  <row Id="14442" PostId="4986" Score="0" Text="I just read the general mandate of Stackexchange. I believe my question even re-worded does not fit the mandate of the overarching vision. Ironically, the founder has a very long and subjective description of what constitutes a good &quot;objective&quot; question. Nothing it objective that is quite obvious, especially in computers; just look at your industry make up. I pull my request however. I also offer a mild apology for causing upset to some people." CreationDate="2017-12-21T05:53:08.240" UserId="63996" />
  <row Id="14447" PostId="4988" Score="1" Text="2 of the votes were for company-specific policies/legal, the last of which was mine. Only 3 were unclear." CreationDate="2017-12-21T21:39:42.517" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="14448" PostId="4988" Score="3" Text="I am torn on this question, but for me the problem was I just do not believe there is any attempt at an actual question so much as a question that is hypothetical what should he do &quot;IF&quot; he is in a situation is not an acceptable format for a question here.  Edit the question to bring inline with expectations and I suspect you can get some reopen votes." CreationDate="2017-12-21T23:21:47.860" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14451" PostId="4988" Score="0" Text="It is open now." CreationDate="2017-12-22T17:59:37.577" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14444" PostId="4989" Score="0" Text="What isn't clear? The OP is observing harassment from the HR Director and her staff. The OP is then asking who they should report the harassment to instead. That is not a legal question." CreationDate="2017-12-21T18:22:13.520" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14445" PostId="4989" Score="2" Text="@DavidK Not going to argue with you.  Clear is not the guideline and it is not clear to me. Observe with generalities is not consistent with tour guidelines.  You asked a question and got an answer." CreationDate="2017-12-21T18:34:37.770" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="14449" PostId="4989" Score="1" Text="@DavidK I also thought this was overly vague and I got the impression that it was actually a hypothetical question designed to stir up yet another gender discrimination discussion. But that could just be the OP trying to avoid being too specific." CreationDate="2017-12-22T07:54:46.307" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14452" PostId="4990" Score="1" Text="cross-site duplicate: [What's the official SE response to serious mentions of suicide or self-harm in posts?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/243700/165773)" CreationDate="2017-12-25T19:57:09.560" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14453" PostId="4990" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Response to questions regarding major health/life issues?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3391/response-to-questions-regarding-major-health-life-issues)" CreationDate="2017-12-25T20:01:18.833" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14457" PostId="4990" Score="0" Text="I've thought the same.. Personally I think it would be good to have a canonical Q&amp;A we could link to providing relevant info and links, perhaps broken down by region?" CreationDate="2017-12-25T19:57:03.150" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="14458" PostId="4990" Score="1" Text="@motosubatsu It wouldn't exactly fit on The Workplace, and I'm sure there are already a few (non-SE) sites covering this topic." CreationDate="2017-12-25T21:24:42.670" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14455" PostId="4992" Score="4" Text="Will do. Thanks." CreationDate="2017-12-25T23:12:09.727" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14523" PostId="4992" Score="1" Text="I understand where that advice comes from but having your question closed is pretty demoralising even when you're feeling good. It just makes you feel bad about yourself that people are going out of their way to put you down. Part 2 + 3 are very good, they definitely need the support. Just don't think closing someones question is going to make them feel better in any way. There's more important issues at hand than peoples Stack Exchange moral high horse." CreationDate="2018-01-07T00:55:40.513" UserId="81445" />
  <row Id="14524" PostId="4992" Score="1" Text="@Andre That's why you're supposed to leave a comment explaining why you closed the question. The main reason is to prevent well-meaning answers that given the nature of the situation cannot hope to be comprehensive and which we can't guarantee won't do more harm than good. As Kilisi mentioned in his answer and comments and as the linked question states we are simply not equipped to provide the help these people need which is why should close. Locking/deleting has the same motivation but is in my view usually unnecessary and something I avoid for the reasons you give." CreationDate="2018-01-07T09:02:19.863" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14593" PostId="4992" Score="0" Text="I understand this is the policy.  Any chance we can get an explanation of why this is the policy?" CreationDate="2018-01-26T21:35:19.917" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14595" PostId="4992" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Well I think originally this is what the community settled on as the best approach. Since the CM team has presumably adopted this I guess you could call it &quot;the policy&quot; but if you want more of an explanation than what's been written here and on main meta I think you'll have to ask them." CreationDate="2018-01-27T00:01:18.107" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14600" PostId="4992" Score="0" Text="Thank you, that is the direction of the CM team was the answer I was looking for." CreationDate="2018-01-27T14:53:28.033" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14472" PostId="4993" Score="1" Text="Yep, gotta step away from these..." CreationDate="2017-12-29T16:58:15.027" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14483" PostId="4993" Score="2" Text="Thats cold. You see nothing positive from giving some sort of response to a sucidal person besides &quot;I can't help you&quot;? I am not going to argue that SE implement a help protocol for suicidal people, but the way you write sounds unnecessarily cold. Lives are at stake, lives that can be saved. I am assuming good faith - it is probably unintentional? I'd advise rewriting the last sentence. Maybe you mean there is a risk for doing more harm than good?" CreationDate="2018-01-02T10:18:35.077" UserId="57573" />
  <row Id="14484" PostId="4993" Score="4" Text="@StianYttervik it isn't cold to me, but my English isn't great. 99%+ of people who would come to stackexchange and talk about going sideways on life would not be serious. The 1% or less that are need professional help, as a non pro I could trigger a death, there is no positive side that would outweigh that.." CreationDate="2018-01-02T12:55:42.387" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="14486" PostId="4993" Score="2" Text="@StianYttervik he's right, and it's not cold.  If you get involved with someone who is suicidal, you could push them over the edge with your good intentions.  It calls for a professional, Lillenthal is correct, contact SE staff, and do nothing more.  do not engage, you could do more harm than good." CreationDate="2018-01-02T15:12:45.220" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14509" PostId="4993" Score="1" Text="@Stian In addition to what The Snark Knight says, we have an additional problem in that we aren't sitting across the table from the &quot;suicidal&quot; person, and thus, are in no position to offer them a shoulder to cry on. We are conversing with them in a text only format, and there is a huge risk of our good intentions getting misunderstood because they cannot see our body language. Even a seemingly harmless remark like, &quot;things will get better, buddy, don't give up&quot; can trigger bad memories and drive the person over the edge." CreationDate="2018-01-04T01:19:20.287" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14519" PostId="4993" Score="1" Text="Nothing cold about it and his advice is spot on. When you start thinking that you're in a position to do something about mental health issues **other than referring** to a real professional, people can die. This isn't hyperbole. Nobody here is qualified to give one iota of advice except for resources for them to seek **actual** help. There comes a time when we on the Internet need to stop pretending we're experts in everything or even have a valid opinion on something and let the professionals handle it. This is one of those times." CreationDate="2018-01-05T21:05:58.393" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="14465" PostId="4994" Score="1" Text="&quot;down-vote it if you don't like it. Nothing else needs to be done.&quot; - agreed!" CreationDate="2017-12-27T11:30:11.513" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14473" PostId="4995" Score="0" Text="Do you think poor questions should be left at 0?" CreationDate="2018-01-01T01:22:00.553" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14474" PostId="4995" Score="0" Text="Wouldn’t the vote to close be enough to signal that they need to revise their question? My take is that the negative score would instead demotivate them to not try at all." CreationDate="2018-01-01T01:43:16.737" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="14475" PostId="4995" Score="0" Text="Some don't like to vote to close. Some folks feel that closing a question demotivates people even more. I suspect most questions that are closed don't get edited and re-opened. So I assume you think it's better to leave poor questions at 0 and just close them?" CreationDate="2018-01-01T02:05:53.890" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14476" PostId="4995" Score="0" Text="In short yes, seeing a negative score gives no feedback as to what should be done, other than people have downvoted the question. However, seeing a closed or on hold at least gives some feedback as to the nature of the closure even if it is ‘generic’ (see the different categories when you vote), the next step would be qualitative feedback in the form of commentary from other users as to what should be done." CreationDate="2018-01-01T02:10:48.710" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="14477" PostId="4995" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere take for example this literal meta-question. The two downvotes thus far signal that two individuals downvoted, but the votes don't tell **why** they downvoted, was it because the question is incorrect, was it because the discussion topic was dumb, was it because they didn't like my profile picture? The lack of additional information doesn't build a productive means of offering feedback to the OP and answers from users (two goals of the SE system)." CreationDate="2018-01-01T07:06:05.663" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="14478" PostId="4995" Score="1" Text="I assume the downvotes are because: &quot;The question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful&quot;. Actually on Meta that isn't always the case. On the main site, the comments seem to provide most of the hints. Certainly the reasons for voting to close aren't very informative." CreationDate="2018-01-01T12:22:37.093" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14479" PostId="4995" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere given that comments are optional, would requiring a comment when downvoting be a better solution model? This would accomplish both goals of increasing qualitative feedback and increasing the cost of downvoting, therefore making users more reluctant of downvoting in absence of reason." CreationDate="2018-01-01T12:36:59.087" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="14480" PostId="4995" Score="2" Text="I think it would be silly to require a comment for every downvote. And I don't think the current model needs a solution. I understand your concern, but don't share it." CreationDate="2018-01-01T12:41:02.450" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14481" PostId="4995" Score="0" Text="Understandable, hence my question and the discussion. Thanks for your time and input as always." CreationDate="2018-01-01T12:44:15.613" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="14513" PostId="4996" Score="0" Text="This question your referencing is one delete vote from being gone." CreationDate="2018-01-04T18:26:33.817" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14551" PostId="4996" Score="0" Text="I don't see how removing country-specific slang is an &quot;improvement&quot;. This is an international community, and there is no requirement that every question should be understood by everybody." CreationDate="2018-01-25T16:54:24.953" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14512" PostId="4998" Score="0" Text="I agree with you. People in such situation craves a bit of empathy. Closing their question, and asking them to go away is probably going to make them feel even worser." CreationDate="2018-01-04T18:11:18.110" UserDisplayName="user47813" />
  <row Id="14482" PostId="4999" Score="0" Text="I would add there is no tangible answer regarding his work. He should let the police handle the problem and if a second one happens at work, he should show the evidence to HR." CreationDate="2018-01-02T05:30:33.007" UserId="79739" />
  <row Id="14485" PostId="4999" Score="0" Text="I agree with all the points." CreationDate="2018-01-02T14:47:50.133" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14487" PostId="5000" Score="1" Text="I also recall (and agree) hearing that we should be closing fewer questions, and try to edit them to a proper post instead of just plain VTC; several of them are workable but are quickly closed if it contains a few mistakes or something a bit unclear. I'll try to commit to this one this new year... I also feel that we should give some love to our tags: enhance, edit or prune some of them (approving synonyms is also quite forgotten)" CreationDate="2018-01-02T15:19:14.717" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14500" PostId="5000" Score="2" Text="Posting comments without bothering to read the entire question or answer is one of the nuisances that led to my partial retirement from this site. There has been a steady rise in the number of users with the attention span of a goldfish, who will read barely two sentences before commenting, &quot;what about X?&quot; Guess what, if you had bothered reading another 30 seconds before jumping to criticize, you would have found that X has already been addressed in the same answer. Then people read the comment and downvote the answer without bothering to read it themselves, like a herd of buffaloes." CreationDate="2018-01-03T09:33:30.233" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14502" PostId="5000" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan Care to add this as an answer? I believe it warrants its own discussion." CreationDate="2018-01-03T09:59:20.910" UserId="38289" />
  <row Id="14495" PostId="5003" Score="2" Text="Lots of opinion-based questions have Yes/No answers. Q: *Are the New England Patriots the best NFL Football Team of this century?* And lots of opinion-based questions have a consensus answer. A: *Yes!*" CreationDate="2018-01-02T19:01:50.387" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14498" PostId="5005" Score="4" Text="Agreed but I feel I should point out that if you have to *ask the OP for clarification*, that's a signal that you *should* be voting to close. Questions that are unclear should be put on hold and later reopened if they're missing critical details. Answers based on incomplete information tend to be less than useful." CreationDate="2018-01-03T09:15:49.453" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14499" PostId="5005" Score="2" Text="If the question is not clear enough so that you have to wait for OP to issue clarifications, then you should vote to close and get it put on hold as early as possible. If the question remains open, there is a possibility of people answering it based on a misunderstanding, which becomes even worse if different people misunderstand it in different ways. Then it becomes impossible to edit the question without invalidating one or usually more answers. That opens up a big can of worms as answers which got invalidated now get downvoted heavily." CreationDate="2018-01-03T09:28:00.037" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14505" PostId="5005" Score="1" Text="I agree with the &quot;less VTC&quot; thought. Perhaps the system could be altered to not permit any votes to close until after a cooling-off period of time (1 or 2 weeks perhaps)? That might slow the mad rush to close so many questions. As it is now, some folks just want to be part of the cool kids party who pass judgement and rapidly close questions." CreationDate="2018-01-03T17:46:12.143" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14508" PostId="5005" Score="3" Text="two weeks? that would mean that every question no matter how poorly constructed would get answers. But they would be deleted if the question was really bad, or invalidated if the question underwent a serious modification." CreationDate="2018-01-03T21:02:26.090" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="14514" PostId="5005" Score="3" Text="If the question needs further input from the OP, it should be put on hold pending it, and the sooner the better.  But if it's clear what needs to happen -- fixing language or formatting, incorporating stuff the OP said in comments, etc -- then I agree we should *just do it*.  Help the OP out, leave a comment explaining what you did and why if he's new, and get on with adding a good question to the site." CreationDate="2018-01-04T18:47:38.843" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14515" PostId="5005" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I understand what you guys are saying. However, being realistic, posts that are being voted to close or are on hold and besides are unclear suffer from several downvotes. This removes any purpose on trying to edit it to a good post, as even though it were reopened it may be already in the &quot;-5 zone&quot; or near it where I have seen no post to graciously come back from... putting on hold as unclear is a death sentence for the post. The only alternative is for the OP to post it again after editing." CreationDate="2018-01-04T19:53:51.283" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14550" PostId="5005" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus There have been questions that went from -5 to +75 even (with some HNQ magic, of course) after they were edited and reopened. That is more of a nitpick, and generally, your observation is valid. However, it is still the OP's primary responsibility to make a good post. We certainly want to help by editing when we can, but that is not a privilege. We don't want people to carry the impression that they can throw in any rubbish, and our army of unpaid volunteers will clean it up for them." CreationDate="2018-01-25T07:46:58.187" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14504" PostId="5006" Score="1" Text="IMHO, the tag system is broken. As long as folks are free to invent a new tag of their choosing, tags will surely proliferate without bound. We can call for a tedious tag cleanup process periodically, but that doesn't solve the real problem. Having a defined set of tags that cannot be altered (except perhaps annually by Admins after a vote?) is the only solution. Again, IMHO." CreationDate="2018-01-03T17:43:21.590" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14506" PostId="5006" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I agree that the ability of almost everybody to create tags adds noise.  It feels like our base tag set is messy enough that we're *inviting* more noise; if we at least had a good set to start with, we could retag to fix the noise when we see it.  Right now I see noise but don't have anything better to use." CreationDate="2018-01-03T17:46:35.617" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14507" PostId="5006" Score="3" Text="If I were the king of the world, I'd delete *all* tags other than country tags. Then I would define a small set of tags (a dozen or fewer) and lock the tagging system for 1 year. After a year, I'd post a question here on Meta, gather up the responses, promote a few new tags and get rid of tags that weren't used well the prior year. Then I'd lock the tag set for another year. Lather, rinse, repeat." CreationDate="2018-01-03T17:53:37.923" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14503" PostId="5007" Score="0" Text="But then the question should be closed as unclear, or they should ask me for more details, right?" CreationDate="2018-01-03T13:21:10.510" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="14525" PostId="5008" Score="1" Text="I completely agree with you on this one MM, comments are known to derail good posts and even cause some of them to be lost or downvoted to oblivion. Unfortunately I think there is few things to do on this one, rather than **encouraging those users to post their own answers instead of throwing mud into other's**, plus what you suggested." CreationDate="2018-01-08T20:11:13.360" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14510" PostId="5009" Score="4" Text="I already commented as much, but in my view the difference doesn't substantially affect the question asked or what it's answers would look like. The scope of the acquisition is irrelevant to how it should be listed on the resume. (I wouldn't have mod-closed if I did of course.) *Perhaps* if it asked about listing the fact that the team was aquired and the OP is now working as a consultant for the same original company that'd be different but that's not what he's asking." CreationDate="2018-01-04T09:23:51.007" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14511" PostId="5009" Score="0" Text="The issue here is that the referred duplicate is incorrect in that the answers to it treat the previous company as no longer existing, which cannot be used by the OP of this question because the company hasn't been acquired; just the team. Therefore, by referring possible future viewers of the question elsewhere, we might be making them believe something else entirely, and therefore be unhelpful. I feel we can strive to find another duplicate, and re-open the question while we search." CreationDate="2018-01-04T09:31:30.867" UserId="74069" />
  <row Id="14520" PostId="5010" Score="1" Text="I think that we need a new status-UndocumentedFeature." CreationDate="2018-01-06T01:25:21.913" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14521" PostId="5010" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings did you find it unusual also? Seems to.be some sort of backsafe for reviews, but never have I noticed." CreationDate="2018-01-06T10:27:32.293" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14522" PostId="5010" Score="0" Text="Its one of those bugs that has no real negative impact on the system, and is way too much work to fix.    So instead we call it an undocumented feature :p" CreationDate="2018-01-06T21:59:23.427" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14518" PostId="5011" Score="0" Text="Yep, seems that you are correct...Funny enough, this also explained to me why I lost 10 rep today, as I also had an answer on that deleted question. I also agree that we should err on the sire of more reviews, so seems that this behavior is useful." CreationDate="2018-01-05T17:43:31.297" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14530" PostId="5013" Score="1" Text="Just for the record, I had voted to close the question as off topic because I strongly suspected it to be a troll, and not for the stated close reason. For some strange reason, my comment with the close reason has now been deleted from the question." CreationDate="2018-01-11T12:46:18.117" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14526" PostId="5014" Score="2" Text="Even if it isn't an XY, the answers are certainly treating it as such. I also suspect this is less than true as I don't buy how the OP is essentially failing to manage consider the experience he would need to have to be managing a team of this size and level. I'd expect someone like that to know how to properly manage change and address this kind of behaviour." CreationDate="2018-01-09T21:22:32.513" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14527" PostId="5014" Score="0" Text="I'll agree that the OP is incompetent and doesn't know what he's talking about, but I also think that if he had left off all of the technology specifics we wouldn't have any problem with the question. They answered the question of why - so that they could install and run necessary auditing and security software. If he hadn't mentioned Windows or Linux then no one would have a problem with that explanation. I think the OP doesn't know what he's talking about, which makes me think there *is* a valid reason for the decision that he can't explain well." CreationDate="2018-01-10T13:21:25.070" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14528" PostId="5014" Score="0" Text="It's not our job to tell him whether the technology decision was correct or not, which most people seem to be doing. It *is* our job to say that senior devs are having issues and he's not listening to them. We should challenge the request to discipline and focus on getting everyone productive again. We should say that he needs to sit down and hear the concerns of his devs and determine whether the computer migration was actually the right decision and come up with a plan to address any of the valid concerns. Those are all workplace issues, not technology, which Philips answer addresses well." CreationDate="2018-01-10T13:24:56.970" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14762" PostId="5016" Score="0" Text="One of my amusing memories was getting a downvote because my answer was too long. IIRC you actually responded saying that the question was a complex question and deserved a long answer!" CreationDate="2018-02-19T16:42:58.780" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="14763" PostId="5016" Score="2" Text="Hah yep - https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/7482/how-can-i-get-off-on-the-right-foot-with-a-new-intern/7491#comment15582_7491 - sometimes I worry myself how much of this SE I have committed to memory..." CreationDate="2018-02-19T16:44:08.340" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="14538" PostId="5018" Score="1" Text="Please [do not use backquotes to emphasize text](http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/135112/). This syntax should be reserved for code or data, not normal text. Abusing code markdown has ugly results, [causes problems](http://meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/7437) for parsing tools such as screen readers for the visually impaired, and is easily avoided by using bold, italics or other formatting instead." CreationDate="2018-01-16T16:24:38.537" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14536" PostId="5019" Score="0" Text="How about questions like: [Fair treatment for employees always late due to public transport](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/104796/fair-treatment-for-employees-always-late-due-to-public-transport)? Its only 18 hours old and has already gotten almost 34k views. I did a search on the hot network questions and it hasn't even been featured there." CreationDate="2018-01-15T15:26:10.500" UserId="81598" />
  <row Id="14537" PostId="5019" Score="0" Text="It seems that I have mixed up the time the question has been answered and the posted time. I can now see why that question would have that many views." CreationDate="2018-01-15T15:44:57.500" UserId="81598" />
  <row Id="14539" PostId="5020" Score="1" Text="After clarifying in comments (as done in the post) if that is the proper phrase then yes." CreationDate="2018-01-16T21:18:20.233" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14540" PostId="5020" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Can you make that an answer?" CreationDate="2018-01-16T21:26:52.200" UserId="1893" />
  <row Id="14542" PostId="5020" Score="0" Text="done, made my comment an answer." CreationDate="2018-01-16T21:33:55.587" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14543" PostId="5025" Score="1" Text="Yup, same here. Question is, is this is a bug or a design change? The new green doesn't seem to fit in with the rest of the color scheme and just looks out of place to me." CreationDate="2018-01-17T19:23:47.697" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14545" PostId="5026" Score="0" Text="Indeed. Seems to me that the &quot;old&quot; green shade was more adequate to the site's color palette. I wrote a Meta SE question (as you already saw) to see if they have something else to add to this situation" CreationDate="2018-01-17T20:27:16.257" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14546" PostId="5027" Score="0" Text="Thanks, will do as soon as I get to my PC. Cheers" CreationDate="2018-01-18T13:50:53.983" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14552" PostId="5029" Score="1" Text="Have in mind that comments can easily derail a good answer to tangential cases or situations... comments should be restricted to ask for clarification, not to critique (if you want to why not leave *your* answer instead?) nor debate on the answer given. [Chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler) is better suited for those situations where comments would be too noisy to use on the main site." CreationDate="2018-01-25T21:02:37.053" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14567" PostId="5029" Score="5" Text="See also [all of these questions](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/search?tab=relevance&amp;q=comments%20deleted)." CreationDate="2018-01-26T13:02:06.633" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14585" PostId="5029" Score="0" Text="@DavidK I have selected &quot;not a duplicate&quot; in response to the banner I received. Despite the similarity of answers, if this question had no answer and merely linked to that other one as a duplicate, I could read that other question and its answer and still not know the answer to this question and would feel that I was left with no answer and I would not know why the comments disappeared. Information *has* been lost due to bugs in the past, even if that is a rare occurrence." CreationDate="2018-01-26T17:37:28.007" UserId="63534" />
  <row Id="14596" PostId="5029" Score="2" Text="@Aaron What the answers on nearly every question David's search contains tell us is that comments are *regularly* cleared off posts. This is perhaps unfortunate, but it is necessary. I don't think it's... efficienct? for us to have a bajillion meta questions asking about all the times this happens. Since this is a normal and well documented occurrence, what aspects of your question are not answered elsewhere?" CreationDate="2018-01-27T02:01:45.637" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="14597" PostId="5029" Score="3" Text="Comments are almost always useless, we don't need no comments. Just get rid of them all. Comments are being predominantly used for pointing out some one-in-a-million scenario where the advice given in the answer would lead to less than ideal outcome thus letting the commenter feel like he is oh-so-clever, and sometimes to demonstrate the commenter's stupidity because even that one-in-a-million scenario is addressed in the same answer two sentences later." CreationDate="2018-01-27T05:59:07.397" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14599" PostId="5029" Score="3" Text="@MaskedMan but what about comments that actually suggest improvements to the posts, are adopted by the querent or respondent, and contribute to the stack?  Hmmm?   hmmm?   hmmm?  Aren't I clever?" CreationDate="2018-01-27T14:02:50.647" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14604" PostId="5029" Score="0" Text="@jpmc26 The best response to that is &quot;bug&quot;. As I stated, content has been lost in the past due to bugs. A bajillion meta questions is not efficient, I agree. Is leaving the comment &quot;chatty comments deleted: please see (link to one of our resources about commenting)&quot; every time you delete comments inefficient?" CreationDate="2018-01-29T14:47:36.423" UserId="63534" />
  <row Id="14553" PostId="5030" Score="1" Text="Yep, only Mods can delete those, so not exactly any drive-by person..." CreationDate="2018-01-25T21:03:46.850" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14557" PostId="5030" Score="1" Text="While I disagree with some of your points (ex: That's what &quot;comments are transient means&quot;), I'm not sure what the rest of the comments in question said (hence this discussion) and will take your word for the usefulness of them in general. Still, if it keeps happening and leaving no trace, then people like me will be duty-bound to keep bringing it up on meta, and I will again if it happens again if for no other reason than it could be a bug rather than intentional. Leaving the pre-canned &quot;comments are not for discussion&quot; quote that is common would be a good start." CreationDate="2018-01-25T21:53:01.717" UserId="63534" />
  <row Id="14558" PostId="5030" Score="2" Text="@Aaron The Workplace gets a *lot* of comments that are not about improving the post.  I don't have easy access to stats on the number of *threads*, but in the last month mods have deleted more than 900 comments.  That's actually a little low (probably due to the holiday slump at the end of December).  We're not going to leave comments explaining comment deletions (also, irony) everywhere; it'd be too much work." CreationDate="2018-01-25T22:07:20.627" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14559" PostId="5030" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio On other SE sites, there are pre-canned messages that are left for this sort of thing. I am not sure how they work, if the deleters have a button to leave them, or if they copy-paste from somewhere, or what, but they have pre-fabricated mass-delete messages. How is that much more difficult than deleting with no trace? I ask honestly, as I really just do not know - I don't know how the exact process works normally nor how other SE sites leave the mass-delete comments, so I don't know what the work difference is." CreationDate="2018-01-25T22:39:15.457" UserId="63534" />
  <row Id="14560" PostId="5030" Score="10" Text="In fact, when I downvote I get a message telling me to explain why I’m down voting in the comments. Deleting a comment doing just that seems a little disingenuous." CreationDate="2018-01-26T00:16:37.483" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14561" PostId="5030" Score="1" Text="@Tim if you want your relevant and legitimate comment stay (and be visible to other readers instead of having it buried under heaps of tangential chat and repetitive attempts at answers) the natural way to go seems to be to flag for mod attention and deletion the other comments (using guidance given in [&quot;What comments are not...&quot;](http://meta.workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not) )" CreationDate="2018-01-26T06:52:14.540" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14562" PostId="5030" Score="3" Text="@gnat it was the first comment that anyone saw with 11 upvotes. They deleted it with no message." CreationDate="2018-01-26T11:47:01.497" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14563" PostId="5030" Score="3" Text="@Tim comments are not a popularity contest.  They are there to improve questions or answers.  I can put some witticism or snark on some Q or A and get it upvoted to the stratosphere, it doesn't mean it should stay or that it's right,or that I shouldn't be raked over the coals by the mods for doing so." CreationDate="2018-01-26T12:34:23.857" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14565" PostId="5030" Score="3" Text="@TheSnarkKnight what a hideous straw man argument! I never said comments with snark or witticism should be left alone because they’re highly voted. In fact, if you look carefully at what I said, *I never used the score as a reason to keep it*. Please, take a careful look at my arguments and explain why you think it’s fine for moderators to silently delete a comment that the system tells you to post. I’m happy to address rebuttals to my comments, I’d rather not change the argument to be about highly voted, snarky / witty comments." CreationDate="2018-01-26T12:59:53.697" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14568" PostId="5030" Score="0" Text="Tim, your explanation makes me doubt that comment was indeed OK. Thing is, moderators have ability to undelete comments (unless these are deleted by author) so if there was an obvious mistake it would probably be already undeleted. Though if you prefer for other readers to check that you can ask moderators to add screen shot that shows them deleted comments, they regularly do this at meta when there is a content dispute..." CreationDate="2018-01-26T13:20:41.100" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14569" PostId="5030" Score="0" Text="...as for upvotes, unfortunately this is not the case when these help: the question was in HNQ meaning there is no way to tell whether upvotes indicate usefulness like in normal questions or merely that comment [looked entertaining](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/220099/165773) to a bunch of careless passers-by from Stack Overflow who know nothing (nor do they care) about quality norms at this site" CreationDate="2018-01-26T13:20:45.543" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14570" PostId="5030" Score="3" Text="@Tim There is no reason to become abusive because you don't like the answers you're getting.  It doesn't matter if something gets eleven upvotes or eleven hundred upvotes.  It doesn't mean that the comment is worth keeping around.  If a question or answer gets a good number of comments, the likelihood exists that they will all be deleted.  It is unreasonable to expect that the moderators of this site stop and explain why every last comment is removed." CreationDate="2018-01-26T13:24:30.980" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14571" PostId="5030" Score="4" Text="@TheSnarkKnight okay 1) I’m not getting abusive, I’m getting annoyed by your straw man argument 2) *I never said the value of the comment was in the number of upvotes*. I didn’t even mention the score in my first comment. I do not think that, so please - read the reasons why I think the comment should have been kept. 3) it’s standard practise that lots of comments are moved to chat. 4) it’s unreasonable to expect the moderators to explain their actions? No, no it’s not! Moderators should be held accountable." CreationDate="2018-01-26T13:30:17.307" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14572" PostId="5030" Score="3" Text="@Tim moderators are accountable to the community as a whole and ranting is not the best way to get their attention, neither is reposting points that have already been removed by moderators.  It puts you in a rather unfavorable light.  It is at the moderators discretion, not yours, to move things to chat or delete them outright.  Comments do not have a right to exist.  SE is not a collection of forums, it is a Q and A site.  As such, comments are to improve a question or answer, and then deleted when appropriate, **AS PER THE MODERATORS DISCRETION**" CreationDate="2018-01-26T13:52:43.697" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14573" PostId="5030" Score="4" Text="@TheSnarkKnight if you would point out my “ranting” I’ll remove it. I reposted the point because I feel it added a great deal to a potentially inaccurate answer. Of course it’s at the moderators discretion to delete items, but normally they do not do that, so it seems strange that they did, out of the blue - hence this meta conversation! “...deleted when appropriate” - I feel it was not deleted appropriately. Have I done something wrong? No, I’ve added information I feel was lost without a good reason. Have I been abusive? No. Have I ranted? No. Only one of us is resorting to uppercase text." CreationDate="2018-01-26T14:59:41.907" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14574" PostId="5030" Score="1" Text="@Tim your feelings do not make policy," CreationDate="2018-01-26T15:17:52.693" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14575" PostId="5030" Score="6" Text="@TheSnarkKnight no, the communities feelings do, and I am part of the community. Ergo I am allowed to express my disagreement with the moderators actions and I am allowed to comment according to site guidelines. I have done nothing against the sites guidelines." CreationDate="2018-01-26T15:20:14.970" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14576" PostId="5030" Score="8" Text="Being a member of several StackExchange communities for a few years now, I find this shift in comment policy to be saddening and generally bad practice for fleshing out quality answers. Yes, bad comments do exist but even bad comments contribute to the conversation (if only to show divergent trains of thought). I think it is appropriate for moderators to dump large comment threads into chat but deleting the records outright runs counter to the goals of this site. StackExchange is slowly moving towards moderators dictating content rather than the community and the site is poorer for it." CreationDate="2018-01-26T15:25:45.250" UserDisplayName="user48276" />
  <row Id="14577" PostId="5030" Score="0" Text="@Tim no, feelings do not make policy at all." CreationDate="2018-01-26T15:35:53.193" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14578" PostId="5030" Score="2" Text="@DanK the shift in policy here is due to a rather repugnant practice of people putting contrary answers in the comments of existing answers." CreationDate="2018-01-26T15:37:27.897" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14579" PostId="5030" Score="0" Text="@TheSnarkKnight how is policy made then? In my experience, often on meta, via voting. Individual people vote based on their opinions / feelings. This provides a community consensus of individual opinion." CreationDate="2018-01-26T15:37:36.573" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14580" PostId="5030" Score="0" Text="@Tim opinions are not feelings." CreationDate="2018-01-26T15:38:22.913" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14581" PostId="5030" Score="0" Text="@TheSnarkKnight what’s the difference between an opinion and a feeling?" CreationDate="2018-01-26T15:41:54.450" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14582" PostId="5030" Score="0" Text="@Tim a feeling would be my irritation towards someone, an opinion would be my evaluation of that person based on that feeling of irritation,  A reasoned opinion would be backed by the various reasons why I found someone irritating." CreationDate="2018-01-26T15:50:41.287" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14583" PostId="5030" Score="5" Text="@TheSnarkKnight mmh the dictionary definition of the two would completely disagree with you I’m afraid. Anyway, if you prefer, change wherever I said feeling to opinion and my sentiment holds." CreationDate="2018-01-26T15:51:47.233" UserId="29827" />
  <row Id="14586" PostId="5030" Score="2" Text="@TheSnarkKnight The moderators are not accountable to the community. There is the illusion that they are because of things such as the elections and the argument that &quot;We just do what the community decides in meta,&quot; but it is not that simple. That is made evident that Tim is trying to hold you accountable and you brush it off with an argument that appears contradictory to me, appearing essentially as &quot;the moderators are not accountable to you.&quot; It is a lot like national politics; SE politics are just as harsh, maybe more, just over something of less importance." CreationDate="2018-01-26T17:50:01.003" UserId="63534" />
  <row Id="14587" PostId="5030" Score="1" Text="@TheSnarkKnight I should note that I do not feel as strongly as Tim and that was not the purpose of this meta Q&amp;A (I am more interested in  the discussion I was trying to have with Monica farther up), but I do believe Tim is making the better, more rational argument." CreationDate="2018-01-26T17:52:40.430" UserId="63534" />
  <row Id="14589" PostId="5030" Score="0" Text="@TheSnarkKnight repeating the same quip over and over isn't helping." CreationDate="2018-01-26T19:21:54.150" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14590" PostId="5030" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio it seems like nothing is." CreationDate="2018-01-26T19:24:43.680" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14591" PostId="5031" Score="2" Text="the voice of reason, as always." CreationDate="2018-01-26T20:24:38.310" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14592" PostId="5031" Score="0" Text="@TheSnarkKnight: Sadly, not so. It assumes the post can be improved. By the time I downvote, it usually can't be." CreationDate="2018-01-26T21:03:57.543" UserId="29374" />
  <row Id="14594" PostId="5031" Score="2" Text="@Joshua most can.  I edited a rant out of one post and it went from -7 to over 25." CreationDate="2018-01-26T21:36:20.623" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14598" PostId="5031" Score="0" Text="@TheSnarkKnight Meh, that's not so much of an improvement. If you have an example of a post going OVER 9000!!!, then we are talking. " CreationDate="2018-01-27T06:01:56.030" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14608" PostId="5032" Score="1" Text="Clarifying question: Are these for ads that will be seen on workplace.SE? Or elsewhere in the network?" CreationDate="2018-01-29T18:26:47.893" UserId="10387" />
  <row Id="14609" PostId="5032" Score="0" Text="@BradC indeed, this: &quot;Community Promotion Ads are community-vetted advertisements that will show up on the main site, in the right sidebar.&quot; is not clear to me what main site means (TWP main? SE main?)" CreationDate="2018-01-29T18:28:31.357" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14613" PostId="5032" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus &quot;Main site&quot; when mentioned on meta will always refer to the parent site of the meta site you're on, in this case [workplace.se]. &quot;Main meta&quot; will refer to [meta.se]. There is no real main SE site as such. the root for SE will simply show the HNQ." CreationDate="2018-01-29T21:58:05.210" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14635" PostId="5032" Score="0" Text="Another question, when is the deadline to submit possible ads? Or will they be continuously being integrated to the ads that meet the threshold as they go over it?" CreationDate="2018-02-01T19:16:19.573" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14647" PostId="5032" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus no deadline; any time an ad posted here reaches a score of 6, it's added to the pool.  If it falls below 6, it's removed.  There's probably some caching involved, but other than that, if there's some conference in October that you want to start advertising in July, that's fine (if the community concurs)." CreationDate="2018-02-02T17:18:04.310" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14648" PostId="5032" Score="0" Text="Thanks @MonicaCellio for clarifying. Great feature that way don't you think? So ads can be added dynamically as they (and when they) reach the thresh, enabling us to keep add content freshened up with new suggestions" CreationDate="2018-02-02T17:25:12.527" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14649" PostId="5032" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus agreed.  Content can be refreshed, things that come up during the year (like new site proposals) can be included, and things can be removed if no longer relevant.  I've seen some sites advertise industry conferences, which have implicit expiration dates, for example." CreationDate="2018-02-02T17:31:15.310" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14601" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting" CreationDate="2018-01-29T06:06:02.740" UserId="154" />
  <row Id="14607" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="Is there a way to know the current ads that TWP has?" CreationDate="2018-01-29T18:26:03.903" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14610" PostId="5033" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus There is a way, though I don't believe TWP currently has any. You can see what [Academia](https://academia.meta.stackexchange.com/ads/display/3661) has, for example. If you look at [last year's post](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4284/community-promotion-ads-2017), none of the suggested ads made it past the 6-vote requirement." CreationDate="2018-01-29T19:03:34.467" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14611" PostId="5033" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus I just noticed the link to our current ad set, the last line of the main post above: &quot;[here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/ads/display/5032)&quot;. It appears that we do not currently have any ads." CreationDate="2018-01-29T19:51:32.027" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14614" PostId="5033" Score="1" Text="@DavidK Indeed, none of the current suggestions meet the +6 threshold. The last time we had ads [was in 2015](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/ads/display/3023)." CreationDate="2018-01-29T22:10:54.323" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14625" PostId="5034" Score="0" Text="Startups SE received 13 upvotes and 4 clicks a day from a similar community promotion ad. As they didn't survive Beta; me and some of the others from that very proposal have started over with better definition. See for reference: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/ads/display/3023" CreationDate="2018-01-30T14:36:28.060" UserId="2115" />
  <row Id="14636" PostId="5037" Score="2" Text="if it's _unclear_ to you whether the question is trolling or legitimate, well, that kind of hints on a close reason, doesn't it (if it was clear to the point that you could explain why you think so then the way to go would be to flag for mod attention)" CreationDate="2018-02-02T12:56:36.707" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14637" PostId="5037" Score="0" Text="@gnat  Some trolls are clever and are harder to spot than others.  Straight up SPAM is pretty easy to nail.  If I see a case of either I VTC the garbage and will try to delete it." CreationDate="2018-02-02T13:11:15.227" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14642" PostId="5037" Score="6" Text="Is there anything to discuss that hasn't already been mentioned on [&quot;Recent string of trolling questions&quot;](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4839) and [&quot;How should I flag a question that appears to be the work of a troll?&quot;](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4530/how-should-i-flag-a-question-that-appears-to-be-the-work-of-a-troll?rq=1)? I think the general consensus so far is that most troll questions can be closed for other reasons while the sort of wildly unlikely but on-topic troll questions we sometimes get can be VTC as unclear or opinion-based." CreationDate="2018-02-02T15:59:43.020" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14643" PostId="5037" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal It is a little different in ask if it is OK to VTC not just how.  But it is a duplicate of the second." CreationDate="2018-02-02T16:02:51.723" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="14645" PostId="5037" Score="1" Text="@Paparazzi Actually re-reading both questions I think this is distinct since you're specifically talking about close votes, not flags. Perhaps a general &quot;How should we handle troll questions?&quot; topic to summarise might make sense." CreationDate="2018-02-02T16:07:02.970" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14646" PostId="5037" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal And how recognize and handle a troll I think is a better question." CreationDate="2018-02-02T16:18:31.000" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="14654" PostId="5037" Score="4" Text="we should do something about the downvote stalkers in here too" CreationDate="2018-02-02T19:42:09.257" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14710" PostId="5037" Score="0" Text="So... we are 5 vs. 5 on our yes/no answers... seems that we *all* took the bait on that one" CreationDate="2018-02-06T16:30:51.773" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14638" PostId="5038" Score="0" Text="What ever happened to assume good intentions? I've also been told off for commenting that I believe someone is a troll, so I don't think a trolling VTC reason is really a good idea" CreationDate="2018-02-02T14:11:28.573" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="14639" PostId="5038" Score="1" Text="@Draken maybe not.  But the beauty of this is no one user **normally** can close a question.  I do assume good intentions by the OP until they prove otherwise.  That is why I said I am very, very sure its a TROLL or SPAM.  I did not say 100%." CreationDate="2018-02-02T14:13:30.627" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14640" PostId="5038" Score="1" Text="I think you only get spam option if it is short.  I consider spam different than trolling." CreationDate="2018-02-02T15:23:47.517" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="14641" PostId="5038" Score="0" Text="@Paparazzi that may be true.  I consider both garbage that needs deleted.  Nice question by the way." CreationDate="2018-02-02T15:25:38.037" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14644" PostId="5038" Score="3" Text="@Draken Good intentions and trolling are not mutually exclusive. I use that close reason only when the trolling is *really* obvious. I still assume good intentions though, but nonetheless, the post can still be a troll." CreationDate="2018-02-02T16:03:44.977" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14650" PostId="5038" Score="1" Text="The advantage of tagging as SPAM over a custom reason is that if the post is closed for that reason the user will at least get a hit to his Rep Points (if existent), that way they will think twice about trolling in the future" CreationDate="2018-02-02T18:22:50.540" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14651" PostId="5038" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Good to know.   Did not know that!" CreationDate="2018-02-02T18:23:45.347" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14652" PostId="5038" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive yes, it is 100 reps I think. We once manged to make a troublesome [user](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/77797/daniel-grover) get below the Comment rep threshold by doing this (as it was being repeatedly Rude and abusive). That way that user never came back to troll... Perhaps you remember that incident :) (you were there I recall)" CreationDate="2018-02-02T18:28:08.763" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14653" PostId="5038" Score="0" Text="Almost every time I see an obvious troll, it has a rep between 101 and 180.  Posts that are obvious bait should be closed as well.  posts like this https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/105008/how-to-deal-with-damaging-incident-while-boss-is-in-another-country even if true are not going to be productive due to the salacious nature" CreationDate="2018-02-02T19:41:07.530" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14671" PostId="5038" Score="3" Text="*I will use the reason of &quot;Voting to close because I believe you are trolling&quot;* - That seems to violate the spirit of Be Nice." CreationDate="2018-02-03T23:06:04.513" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14676" PostId="5038" Score="2" Text="I've seen some high rep users who troll.... just saying" CreationDate="2018-02-04T01:26:20.890" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="14681" PostId="5038" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi - Yes the system for some reason rewards people who shot gun crap answers at every question just posting their opinion, despite that being literally against the rules and how it is intended to work.  Its wierd" CreationDate="2018-02-05T04:18:36.103" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14682" PostId="5038" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus - If you try punishing a user like that and a mod sees it they will have to reverse the penalty anyway.  That is actually you abusing the system." CreationDate="2018-02-05T04:22:08.283" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14683" PostId="5038" Score="0" Text="@Idrinkandiknowthings if it is actually Spamish or abusive then there is nothing wrong. Many trolls tend to be spamish or induce probably rude or noxious responses, and if that is true I see no problem in flagging as such. Of course, it should be avoided if the case is not Spam or abusive, as that will indeed be improper use of the system. (Fwiw, the user I mentioned in the past situation was actually being rude)" CreationDate="2018-02-05T05:32:26.760" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14685" PostId="5038" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I am open to a nicer phrase, what do you suggest?" CreationDate="2018-02-05T12:46:54.907" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14694" PostId="5038" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Well then I will stick to what I have then." CreationDate="2018-02-05T19:24:35.777" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14701" PostId="5038" Score="5" Text="Take note that &quot;Spam&quot; in SE context is very specific to &quot;undisclosed product&quot;, not &quot;random trash post&quot;. Consider using &quot;Rude/ *Abusive*&quot; instead if the behaviour is indeed abusive to the community. If you want to flag, then flag it right." CreationDate="2018-02-06T03:08:06.787" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="14715" PostId="5038" Score="0" Text="*I still think that maybe we should consider TROLLING as a reason to close a question too* No, the frequency is too low." CreationDate="2018-02-07T14:39:28.130" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="14728" PostId="5038" Score="0" Text="@JanDoggen If you say so." CreationDate="2018-02-07T17:30:29.437" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14668" PostId="5039" Score="1" Text="While I'm completely with you in general, the issue is that troll questions in the wild can be a gray area. By definition these questions will be interesting; the problem is that they're typically so specific/outlandish that any answers to them will be largely useless to others in similar, usually less extreme, situations. I think we rightly give well-written / interesting questions more of a pass in the whole &quot;questions should be general&quot; department but the risk is that you also allow troll questions that waste a lot of people's time." CreationDate="2018-02-03T20:14:32.973" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14670" PostId="5039" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - *that waste a lot of people's time.* Based on the fact that 90+% of the engagement on this site happens between 6am EST and 5PM PST Weekdays Id guess that most of what happens on this site could be considered wasting time. - So unless we are going to decide to buck the rules about judging the Question by the Author not the content I do not see what your objection is." CreationDate="2018-02-03T23:03:59.957" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14672" PostId="5039" Score="1" Text="I would hope that by and large people participate on this site to help others out, whether that's just one person the OP or future people running into similar situations and finding advice via a web search. The issue with troll questions is that they often help no one because of the issues I mentioned in my first comment. We don't judge a question by the author but I don't think anyone is suggesting doing so. A question can be posted to troll regardless of who the author might be." CreationDate="2018-02-04T00:45:19.200" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14673" PostId="5039" Score="2" Text="A single VTC is not serial voting.  The first link makes no sense here.  According to the tour &quot;Focus on questions about an actual problem you have faced.&quot;" CreationDate="2018-02-04T00:58:54.447" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="14674" PostId="5039" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - What we may view as an attempt to troll could well be someone else's real attempt to help someone else.  However misguided or ill conceived it may be.  Deal with the problems you actually face, not the problem you fear exists.  As a moderator we expect you to step in when you see something that is harmful to the community.  It is valid to close or lock a post to minimize the disruption to the community" CreationDate="2018-02-04T01:05:51.783" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14680" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="*&quot;Focus on questions about an actual problem you have faced* is part of a guide to help ask good questions.  It is not a rule for how you must act on SE.  The reason serial voting is punished is because it is voting against the author not the content of the post.  It is in fact a rule for how you must act on SE." CreationDate="2018-02-05T04:15:10.150" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14691" PostId="5039" Score="0" Text="In principle, a troll question should be accepted here if it is useful to future readers, but in practice, these troll questions describe such &quot;interesting&quot; situations that it is highly unlikely for any future reader to face such a situation. For example, a huge bird flew in from the window, and took away the manager. How should I manage the team after this sudden, shocking and unexpected disappearance of the manager? I am exaggerating to make a point, but many of these troll questions come quite close." CreationDate="2018-02-05T18:24:37.100" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14707" PostId="5039" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Your comment above and the positive feedback to my [meta answer](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5045/3192) helped me realize what I had to do to [a certain troll question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/106016/3192), I have now [edited](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/106016/5) it to make it more useful to the community by removing the trollbaits." CreationDate="2018-02-06T14:29:20.987" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14711" PostId="5039" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan - And well done." CreationDate="2018-02-06T21:13:03.887" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14656" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="The question should not be &quot;Should I tell them?&quot; but rather &quot;How do I tell them?&quot;, because whether or not to tell them comes down to a choice for which the pros and cons have already been included in the question (so it's basically deciding for oneself how important and likely each pro and con is). Although I can't say I'm personally too sure about when a &quot;Should I&quot; question is appropriate (apart from being able to say &quot;not that&quot;)." CreationDate="2018-02-03T13:25:41.163" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14657" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling I agree.  However, considering OP has a cultural gap could also mean there is a language gap as well. It is very likely they really meant &quot;how do I handle this situation&quot; but did not think about wording the title to fit this." CreationDate="2018-02-03T13:29:51.687" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="14659" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan  I sense a hostility in your response and I do not understand why. What conclusion did I jump to? The question says it is closed because of this reason. I copied pasted right from there. Not my own conclusion. and yes thanks for correcting and sorry for posting the wrong link. That was a genuine mistake. repwhoring is a strong word for that. What happened to all the &quot;be nice&quot; policy? And leaving the possibility that I am okay with being suspected as repwhoring is even more insulting." CreationDate="2018-02-03T16:45:40.467" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="14660" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I also think that the question is a troll. I am just asking shouldn't that be the stated reason for closing it? You do think it is `blatantly obvious`. I am simply trying to understand the rules here. No other intent." CreationDate="2018-02-03T16:50:22.670" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="14662" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="In hindsight, I think I made a wrong choice of words, I will post an answer to clear things up." CreationDate="2018-02-03T16:56:51.663" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14690" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="@PagMax it came to my attention that you are the highest voted answer on that Question (good answer BTW). Is this perhaps the reason you are asking this post? I agree with your answer there, but it is more evident as time passes that the question was indeed trollish by nature." CreationDate="2018-02-05T17:34:46.693" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14695" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus hehe..yes I was keen because I spent time replying to that post and it got some attention (which does not happen a lot!!). Although I do not care much about reopening it. I am just trying to understand if the reason is troll or it is off-topic. I just do not think it is both." CreationDate="2018-02-06T02:32:33.587" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="14696" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Also while that response is highest voted, the question about that question here is surely not getting same love with so many down votes!! haha" CreationDate="2018-02-06T02:33:51.173" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="14699" PostId="5040" Score="1" Text="I think the exact issue I had in mind is really being discussed here https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5037/fair-to-vtc-for-trolling?cb=1  It makes sense not to link the question as the OP is doing and just directly talk about the issue." CreationDate="2018-02-06T02:50:10.517" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="14734" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="There were comments about trolling and OP did not clean up the question.  Closed is closed.   I gave the OP a few hours to clean up the question and then VTC." CreationDate="2018-02-12T17:07:57.553" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="14735" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="If the question is what to check then this question is a duplicate.  https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5037/fair-to-vtc-for-trolling?cb=1" CreationDate="2018-02-12T17:15:08.847" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="14737" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="Would now be a good time to lock the question and its answers forever?" CreationDate="2018-02-13T03:19:20.580" UserId="74069" />
  <row Id="14936" PostId="5040" Score="0" Text="follow-up discussion: [Why was the question on eating coworkers' lunch deleted?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5103/168)" CreationDate="2018-03-08T17:18:25.760" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14663" PostId="5041" Score="2" Text="It has become fashionable these days to blame every &quot;mistake&quot; on culture difference." CreationDate="2018-02-03T18:01:05.490" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14665" PostId="5041" Score="1" Text="I have seen enough of the world to know that mistakes do happen due to cultural misunderstandings. I have also seen enough of the world to know when &quot;cultural misunderstanding&quot; is used as a get-out-of-jail-free card. Although to be fair, that is not the case here, it is blatantly obvious that the OP is making up the whole story." CreationDate="2018-02-03T18:34:21.357" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14667" PostId="5041" Score="0" Text="@TheSnarkKnight, I have no idea where you get that non-sequitur conclusion. But, to answer your question, one does not need to be &quot;stupid&quot; to be unaware of customs and expected behaviors in foreign cultures." CreationDate="2018-02-03T20:03:35.473" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="14669" PostId="5041" Score="0" Text="@teego1967 I know not to eat with my left hand in India, the importance of allowing someone to save face in Japan, what flowers not to bring in Germany, and not to clink my glasses in Hungary, but you seem to think an Indian woman is too stupid to figure out not to steal lunches." CreationDate="2018-02-03T22:00:18.883" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14675" PostId="5041" Score="0" Text="@TheSnarkKnight, is that so? Do you _really_ think you know _all_ social conventions in all cultures? I don't think the OP in question was necessarily stupid at all. We will perhaps never know if the poster was a troll. I suspect she was not and that she was surprised by the extraordinarily hostile (but not uncommon) stackexchange response." CreationDate="2018-02-04T01:08:43.400" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="14677" PostId="5041" Score="0" Text="Only thing which sounds suspicious in the post is `3 months and several days a week`. If the OP would have said `few times` instead, then whether real or not, this could be a situation which CAN HAPPEN. (I ate a muffin from the pantry cabinet once thinking it is for everyone. I knew only when the owner of the muffin put an angry note on the cabinet!)" CreationDate="2018-02-04T02:19:06.663" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="14678" PostId="5041" Score="1" Text="@teego1967 You said: **&quot;Do you really think you know all social conventions in all cultures?&quot;** That's not what I said at all.  What I did do was demonstrate my knowledge of **several** customs from **several** cultures I've had to do business with, and yes, when dealing with cultures other than your own you act reservedly, and do not take anyone's word without verification, especially with regards to food and drink," CreationDate="2018-02-04T04:01:35.653" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14679" PostId="5041" Score="0" Text="@teego1967 Why does he need to know *all* social conventions in *all* cultures, unless he needs to work with all of them? When OP went through the trouble of getting an H1B visa, I would imagine she knew which country's visa she was applying for. She doesn't need to know the cultures of the whole world, but only that one country she chose to go to for work." CreationDate="2018-02-04T08:12:36.067" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14684" PostId="5044" Score="2" Text="By this logic, most popular question on this website is opinion based. https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/93696/is-it-unethical-for-me-to-not-tell-my-employer-i-ve-automated-my-job Here the question explicitly asked is 'Now the problem is, do I tell them?`.  This sounds exactly like the choice you laid out in your answer." CreationDate="2018-02-05T06:59:32.407" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="14686" PostId="5044" Score="0" Text="@PagMax (imo, our most q is a bit off topic hehe), but there is a line you know? Perhaps more troll experiences will make your troll alert more sensitive. But I agree that far too many posts are closed on this site (one of my year's resolutions is to be more permissive and give Qs more love before vtc)" CreationDate="2018-02-05T14:31:44.527" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14687" PostId="5044" Score="1" Text="@PagMax Yeah, you are right, and that question was also closed as off topic, until some wise people decided to reopen it." CreationDate="2018-02-05T16:05:58.870" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14688" PostId="5044" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan wasn't aware of [that](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/93696/revisions)" CreationDate="2018-02-05T16:17:32.703" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14689" PostId="5045" Score="2" Text="Agree. Adding to that is the fact [stated](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5044/73791) that all questions actually asked in the post qualify as off-topic by their way of phrasing. Seems perhaps like another example of skilled troll on the hunt of rep points (gamification)." CreationDate="2018-02-05T17:31:58.810" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14697" PostId="5045" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan. I agree with most of your response. Cultural difference cannot be the reason/excuse and 3 months is just too long to get away with this without anyone noticing. I just think the &quot;troll&quot; question can still be helpful to someone who did that mistake of eating someone else's food and now is embarrassed.  It cannot happen for 3 months but it can happen once. It can happen within the same culture as well. I know because it happened to me." CreationDate="2018-02-06T02:41:39.353" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="14698" PostId="5045" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan. Also, I know why you decided to clarify your nationality and workplace but it doesn't matter. I for one do not want to make this a debate about culture of not only the OP but also about people who responding to it!!" CreationDate="2018-02-06T02:42:44.757" UserId="66920" />
  <row Id="14700" PostId="5045" Score="0" Text="For benefit of others: I don't &quot;like&quot; bringing in people's nationality into any discussion because we are an international community, unless it is essential to meaningfully answer the question. There used to be a time on this site when every post had to be written in a way that made sense to American readers. Over time, we have become far more mature in that regard and that attitude is mostly gone. However, it is equally unfair and wrong to go to the opposite extreme: &quot;You are American, so you *obviously* don't care about people from other cultures, as another answer seems to imply." CreationDate="2018-02-06T03:03:25.113" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14702" PostId="5045" Score="1" Text="@PagMax Certainly, anybody can make that mistake, and I would have no problems with that question except for these 3 things: 1. The &quot;mistake&quot; kept happening for 3 months. 2. OP put food back in the fridge when she didn't like it. 3. When someone got pissed off because of the &quot;mistake&quot;, rather than owning it up, she somehow pushes the blame on US culture. Again, I am absolutely convinced that the story is fake, and I strongly suspect it has not even been written by an Indian. The mention of &quot;H1B Visa&quot; which is not at all relevant seems to confirm my suspicion." CreationDate="2018-02-06T03:08:37.347" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14733" PostId="5045" Score="0" Text="If you believe it should be closed and deleted then why did you edit to remove the trolling?  Up votes on &quot;question should be closed and deleted&quot; is NOT feedback to sanitize the question." CreationDate="2018-02-12T17:02:09.370" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="14738" PostId="5045" Score="0" Text="Would now be a good time to lock the question and its answers?" CreationDate="2018-02-13T03:20:07.110" UserId="74069" />
  <row Id="14743" PostId="5045" Score="0" Text="@Paparazzi Uhm, because I changed my mind? Is that a problem? You can cherry-pick lines from my answer to suit your agenda, it doesn't concern me." CreationDate="2018-02-14T09:02:39.247" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14745" PostId="5045" Score="0" Text="@Paparazzi You also seem to be making a strange assumption that upvotes is feedback. Where do you get that from? Upvotes are not the only, or even the most important, feedback. Anyway, you are free to believe whatever you want and do what you want." CreationDate="2018-02-14T16:24:30.660" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14746" PostId="5045" Score="0" Text="You are the one that stated you revised the post based on feedback.  You had no feedback to revise the original.  I can only assume you equated up votes to feedback - and to me up vote would mean agree with delete.  Your sense of logic is different than mine and I chose not to discuss this with you further." CreationDate="2018-02-14T17:08:10.613" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="14752" PostId="5045" Score="0" Text="@Paparazzi I said I revised the post based on feedback, not upvotes. Upvotes are not the only form of feedback. Besides, even if I go by your logic of &quot;feedback is only upvotes&quot;, the feedback is for the entire post and not just that one line you cherry-picked to suit your agenda. Technically, the old question is deleted and replaced by another question, but rather than create a separate post, it is uploaded as a new version of the existing post. I hope you remember I too can play the pedantry game.:)" CreationDate="2018-02-17T06:33:30.200" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14703" PostId="5046" Score="2" Text="Here's the semi-official stance on what should be allowed in profiles: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/231362/260884" CreationDate="2018-02-06T13:12:17.920" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14704" PostId="5046" Score="2" Text="Also related: &quot;[Why is the f word still allowed in profiles?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/31197/why-is-the-f-word-still-allowed-in-profiles)&quot;, &quot;[Is offensive and rude language directed at you allowed in your profile?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/286180/is-offensive-and-rude-language-directed-at-you-allowed-in-your-profile)&quot;, and &quot;[Flag abusive users](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1323/flag-abusive-users)&quot;" CreationDate="2018-02-06T13:14:21.177" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14705" PostId="5046" Score="0" Text="Interesting notes David, thanks for the feedback. Seems the community disagrees, so the message stays" CreationDate="2018-02-06T13:20:30.320" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="14706" PostId="5046" Score="2" Text="I would agree that the message should stay, but it's certainly a worthwhile question to ask." CreationDate="2018-02-06T13:30:09.830" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14708" PostId="5046" Score="0" Text="Hehe, seems it was my comment :) IMO it is rude but as David pointed out it's their profile and there seems to be no active restriction for such (spam user profiles are a different case I guess). That user is now disengaged on the Network, after his episode of negative and rude &quot;contributions&quot; here." CreationDate="2018-02-06T15:54:34.570" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14716" PostId="5049" Score="2" Text="Is there any part of your question that is not answered by: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/10832/16" CreationDate="2018-02-07T15:36:03.280" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14720" PostId="5049" Score="0" Text="The jist of what that talks about is talk to your boss. This is what I am having issues doing. It's hard to talk to Finance person about IT matters." CreationDate="2018-02-07T15:48:34.607" UserId="51225" />
  <row Id="14729" PostId="5049" Score="0" Text="Sweet. I'm a hot meta" CreationDate="2018-02-08T01:42:58.370" UserId="51225" />
  <row Id="14730" PostId="5049" Score="0" Text="Voted to [reopen](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/106270/how-can-i-overcome-objections-based-on-opinion-and-not-merit) this question, as per the edit it had it is now much better phrased." CreationDate="2018-02-08T16:27:44.050" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14731" PostId="5049" Score="0" Text="I have also voted to reopen the question." CreationDate="2018-02-09T01:24:01.987" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14732" PostId="5049" Score="0" Text="Reopened, excellent edit!" CreationDate="2018-02-12T15:21:51.173" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14717" PostId="5050" Score="2" Text="For the record unnecessary details are any that do not have specific relevance to the question." CreationDate="2018-02-07T15:38:06.903" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14718" PostId="5050" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings thanks, I added that." CreationDate="2018-02-07T15:41:03.070" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14719" PostId="5050" Score="0" Text="I worried leaving out examples and other detail would invite criticism and misinterpretation or that it would be too vague. Then I would have ended up here anyway. I find it It hard to explain these things in only a couple of paragraphs. That is mostly the reason I refrain from asking on Workplace because it would take to long to set the scene to help people understand." CreationDate="2018-02-07T15:46:02.743" UserId="51225" />
  <row Id="14721" PostId="5050" Score="0" Text="I could rename it to &quot;How to present ideas in a matter that they are judged on their merits and not personal opinion&quot; but that feels weird." CreationDate="2018-02-07T15:50:46.120" UserId="51225" />
  <row Id="14722" PostId="5050" Score="0" Text="_Do you want help coping with a problem that isn't going to change?_ No. The answer to that is just &quot;Move on, It's not your responsibility. It's no ones. Someone has to do something or nothing will get done. We need PM but don't have any.  _Do you want advice on how to address this with the individual?_ Yes. _Do you want persuasive arguments to get him to change?_ Seems to be an approach to the second question so yes?" CreationDate="2018-02-07T15:52:26.463" UserId="51225" />
  <row Id="14723" PostId="5050" Score="0" Text="@Matt that would be a better title, or  &quot;How can I overcome objections based on opinion and not merit?&quot;" CreationDate="2018-02-07T15:52:30.373" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14724" PostId="5050" Score="0" Text="@Matt a better way to &quot;set the scene&quot;, so to speak would have been &quot;He will dismiss things out of hand such as food stipends in expensive locals to technology concerns.&quot;  That says in a sentence what you took two paragraphs to say.  (just offering pointers, not trying to be harsh)" CreationDate="2018-02-07T15:55:37.577" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14725" PostId="5050" Score="0" Text="@TheSnarkKnight I am asking for help and am not taking offence. Making a point is a common issue for me. If you think that is enough to make the point I was trying to make then that is awesomely reduced." CreationDate="2018-02-07T16:10:49.003" UserId="51225" />
  <row Id="14726" PostId="5050" Score="0" Text="@Matt I would stress on the **Omit unnecessary details** part, as I consider it to be the source of most confusion a post can generate. Adding **some** background is OK, but you have to keep it brief. Otherwise, if you have to tell us a complete saga to bring us up to date to answer your question most surely someone is making a mole hill out of that situation (or is in need deep s***, and needs Legal or Professional counseling, not opinions of kind and experienced random 'strangers'). By being brief and concise you are more likely to get good help." CreationDate="2018-02-07T16:20:20.360" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14727" PostId="5050" Score="1" Text="@Matt yes, that sentence is exactly how to make the point.  Remember, the problem is not **what** his is being dismissive of, or how, just that he is.  To sum up what darkcygnus said, &quot;Any detail that does not clarify only serves to obfuscate&quot;" CreationDate="2018-02-07T16:32:38.407" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14747" PostId="5050" Score="0" Text="Good answer but somewhat ironic that four of the bullet points mean the same thing in the context when you're telling the OP to omit fluff... still worth the upvote though" CreationDate="2018-02-14T21:30:48.733" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="14748" PostId="5050" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi I believe, understand, and hold to the fact that we should completely, entirely and totally remove repetitive redundancy." CreationDate="2018-02-14T21:32:35.947" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14736" PostId="5052" Score="1" Text="The wording in the tour is slightly different.  &quot;Real problems or questions that you’ve encountered pertaining to a workplace.&quot;" CreationDate="2018-02-12T18:27:00.487" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="14739" PostId="5052" Score="1" Text="Some of the trolls are just blatant.  Remember the blackmailing dominatrix who wanted the guy to meet her and bring her money because she was in debt?  All that was missing from that one was a reference to Nigeria, some hand soap, and a left-handed monkey wrench." CreationDate="2018-02-13T14:56:22.920" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14741" PostId="5052" Score="1" Text="@TheSnarkKnight and if I recall correctly (it's been a while and I didn't go digging), it wasn't really a workplace-related question, either, which means it should be closed." CreationDate="2018-02-13T15:40:25.307" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14742" PostId="5052" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio that's a really good point, actualy" CreationDate="2018-02-13T15:55:25.050" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14749" PostId="5054" Score="2" Text="Relevant (even similar) question: [What if a question asks for a definition that is easily found via a Search or in Wikipedia?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2221/what-if-a-question-asks-for-a-definition-that-is-easily-found-via-a-search-or-in)" CreationDate="2018-02-15T16:29:12.997" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14750" PostId="5054" Score="1" Text="For the &quot;frontline worker&quot; question, OP appears to roughly know that it's someone who meets with customers, but wants to know whether they would classify as one according to their company's definition, which is something that definitely needs to be asked to someone from their company." CreationDate="2018-02-15T17:41:54.390" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14751" PostId="5055" Score="3" Text="Those &quot;terms&quot; could also fit in some sort of FAQ... or perhaps on some [handbook for navigating the workplace](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4932/practical-concept-handbook-for-navigating-the-workplace) (after some refurbishing that is)" CreationDate="2018-02-15T20:45:06.690" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14777" PostId="5057" Score="0" Text="it's just a bad question. it's going to invite debate on equality of the sexes, and just go downhill from there" CreationDate="2018-02-21T21:51:35.867" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="14755" PostId="5058" Score="1" Text="Please explain how this makes the question better for The Workplace Stack Exchange, rather than just adding more juicy drama to make the question more interesting." CreationDate="2018-02-18T00:20:51.110" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14759" PostId="5058" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings If the colleague reports to him/her, he/she should explain to her the professional code of conduct in the office. If he/she observes that the colleague gets into/causes friction between team members by this, he should report it to the superior. If he/she is directly affected (e.g. because he/she feels that the colleague gets undue attentention), he/she needs to adress the issue, but not the behavior. If it is a more conservative office, the colleague needs to be warned about the reputation (I did that with a younger female colleague-who was too open -but not touchy feely)" CreationDate="2018-02-18T18:10:20.690" UserId="49974" />
  <row Id="14779" PostId="5058" Score="0" Text="To me A good answer to the current question explains all of those.  I think if you explain that in an answer it will be well recieved." CreationDate="2018-02-22T02:26:42.163" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14754" PostId="5059" Score="0" Text="You should really look up Hostile Work Environment.  It is not necessary to have someone to hostile directly too you." CreationDate="2018-02-18T00:19:37.047" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14756" PostId="5059" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings You're right, but at this point we really have no idea if there's actually any hostility present. My point still stands that we really need the OP to clarify the situation and provide more information before we can provide any good answers." CreationDate="2018-02-18T01:12:36.063" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14757" PostId="5059" Score="1" Text="Actual hostile work environment is not a requirement to complain.  Just the appearance of the hostile work environment is enough to get action taken.  And its quite clear that the OP perceives a hostile work environment.  The problem is not the basic question IMO and that is why it is going to end up reopened.  But can we improve the question to meet SE Standards before it does" CreationDate="2018-02-18T02:51:59.543" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14760" PostId="5060" Score="2" Text="Meta isn't the place to ask off-topic questions. If you want to poll this community your best bet is to do so in [chat]." CreationDate="2018-02-18T18:28:11.100" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14761" PostId="5060" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the tip :) I will go there" CreationDate="2018-02-18T18:38:06.560" UserId="82984" />
  <row Id="14758" PostId="5061" Score="0" Text="thank your for the kind response. I was more interested in reasons why other developers have left their jobs." CreationDate="2018-02-18T14:43:12.100" UserId="82984" />
  <row Id="14778" PostId="5061" Score="0" Text="@AndreiCACIO: I misunderstood then, I thought you were asking if such a question would be on topic.  A stories / experiences question is off topic both here and on the main site." CreationDate="2018-02-22T00:40:16.637" UserId="271" />
  <row Id="14775" PostId="5062" Score="1" Text="Quickly browing those similar questions you linked I can see most of them are also closed..." CreationDate="2018-02-21T13:52:38.293" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14776" PostId="5062" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus When writing this, I hadn’t realized that on the mobile app searching it fails to mark questions as closed until you open them up. I didn’t think any of them were closed until much later." CreationDate="2018-02-21T14:28:58.097" UserId="67057" />
  <row Id="14764" PostId="5063" Score="4" Text="Aside from being subjective, it requires knowledge from more than one individual as well, such as a survey, which is not what we do here." CreationDate="2018-02-20T20:54:54.740" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="14765" PostId="5063" Score="0" Text="If you follow my second link in the question, two of the first four questions that come up all ask “how common is this phenomenon” with no other specificity. Do you think those questions (and many others like them) should be closed? I see that you’re trying to draw a distinction, but I don’t see what the distinction is?" CreationDate="2018-02-20T20:56:12.440" UserId="67057" />
  <row Id="14766" PostId="5063" Score="0" Text="To be specific, I'm talking about [How common are IQ tests during job interviews?](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/79265/how-common-are-iq-tests-during-job-interviews) and [How common is it that salaries are made public?](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/40131/how-common-is-it-that-salaries-are-made-public)" CreationDate="2018-02-20T20:59:31.170" UserId="67057" />
  <row Id="14767" PostId="5063" Score="0" Text="[How common is a Scent Free workplace, and how can we clearly define the policy?](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/25960/how-common-is-a-scent-free-workplace-and-how-can-we-clearly-define-the-policy) and [Probation period before receiving medical benefits](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/62539/probation-period-before-receiving-medical-benefits) also seem like they should be closed, according to what you're endorsing. I have found a half-dozen more but don't want to inundate you with links." CreationDate="2018-02-20T21:01:40.827" UserId="67057" />
  <row Id="14768" PostId="5063" Score="0" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/broken-windows/info" CreationDate="2018-02-20T21:24:30.110" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14769" PostId="5063" Score="0" Text="@gnat I am aware. I’m not saying that my question is okay because of those questions, I’m asking for clarification. I want to know if Snark thinks that all of those questions are inappropriate for the site as well to further my understanding of their answer." CreationDate="2018-02-20T21:38:55.137" UserId="67057" />
  <row Id="14770" PostId="5063" Score="1" Text="@StellaBiderman many of those were closed, some were low rated and likely slipped by, some, like the trending of backpacks are clearly observable.  What you asked for is, as Chris E pointed out, is something that would require something akin to a survey." CreationDate="2018-02-20T21:50:10.717" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14771" PostId="5063" Score="0" Text="@TheSnarkKnight can you explain what you mean by your first line of the answer? I don’t understand it." CreationDate="2018-02-20T21:53:12.063" UserId="67057" />
  <row Id="14772" PostId="5063" Score="0" Text="@StellaBiderman the first &quot;is this common&quot;, asks a simple question, which does not call for a quantifiable answer.  you can answer &quot;yes, it is&quot; or &quot;I see it all the time&quot;.  The latter asks for a quantifiable answer:  &quot;It has found penetration in no less than 72% of the workplace&quot;.  In the former, someone can answer &quot;Yes, I've seen it occasionally&quot; or &quot;Never heard of it&quot;, in the latter, again, you're asking for something quantifiable.  Does that help?" CreationDate="2018-02-20T21:56:35.543" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14773" PostId="5063" Score="0" Text="@TheSnarkKnight Yes, thank you." CreationDate="2018-02-20T21:57:55.613" UserId="67057" />
  <row Id="14774" PostId="5063" Score="0" Text="@StellaBiderman I updated my answer, thank you." CreationDate="2018-02-20T22:10:58.640" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14780" PostId="5065" Score="1" Text="The potential consequences and what to take into account depend enormously on the location as pointed out in the comments there. You would get *vastly* different answers from the US compared to the UK for instance. There was also an AskReddit style question that I've removed, but even with that I'd probably want to see a location tag on this before I'd consider it properly answerable." CreationDate="2018-02-23T14:56:28.207" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14781" PostId="5065" Score="0" Text="I do agree having the country would be a great help, however that doesn't explain the company regulations or law close reason. I feel people jumped the gun on that one" CreationDate="2018-02-23T14:58:15.637" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="14782" PostId="5065" Score="0" Text="If the OP puts in the country, I'll vote to reopen." CreationDate="2018-02-23T19:33:38.230" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14783" PostId="5065" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal there are even vastly different answers between STATES in the USA" CreationDate="2018-02-23T19:34:10.790" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14784" PostId="5065" Score="0" Text="@RichardU The OP has put their country, however it's the US, should we ask for state too?" CreationDate="2018-02-24T08:25:52.020" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="14785" PostId="5065" Score="1" Text="@Draken It would help, but anyone with knowledge of the differences could answer.  For example: if you're in a state like NJ, you can pretty much negotaite your hours as there are no restrictions, but if you're in Nevada, you can't because Nevada requires by law that if you work more than 8 hours per day, they must pay you overtime for any time over that eight regardless of how many hours you work per week." CreationDate="2018-02-24T13:53:48.377" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14807" PostId="5072" Score="2" Text="It was a bad question with worse advice." CreationDate="2018-02-27T21:12:45.813" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14808" PostId="5072" Score="0" Text="@RichardU what made it a &quot;bad question&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-02-27T21:28:35.543" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="14809" PostId="5072" Score="3" Text="I think the rather colorful commentary spelled it out quite nicely." CreationDate="2018-02-27T21:30:30.803" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14829" PostId="5072" Score="0" Text="This bad question is has also been deleted for self explanatory reasons." CreationDate="2018-03-02T13:31:56.840" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14834" PostId="5073" Score="0" Text="Empirical evidence suggests that what would have been bad questions here usually end up in IPS' SNQ, so there is a good chance that question would be a good fit for IPS." CreationDate="2018-03-04T18:43:07.860" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14810" PostId="5076" Score="0" Text="in its current state, its the kind of question i'd like to see addressed here, the only solution is for the OP to repost huh? sadly seems events have accelerated for her..." CreationDate="2018-02-28T20:23:22.837" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="14812" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately the question was immediately deleted. I'm not sure how people did that so quickly." CreationDate="2018-02-28T21:05:27.327" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14813" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="@DavidK see my update." CreationDate="2018-02-28T21:33:43.940" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14814" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="@DavidK There are 2 questions in that post. 1. How to respond to &quot;this&quot; behavior? 2. How to legally define &quot;jealousy&quot;? The 2nd one is explicitly off-topic, we don't define legal terms here. The first one is a clear question, but it is hard to see how it relates to the first paragraph. OP's example 2+2=4 and all that is also quite confusing. I know it is not the real conversation that happened, but sounds like OP just stated the obvious, and the colleague countered it in the follow-up email. I am sure the actual issue is more complex than that so any advice we give here wouldn't be too helpful." CreationDate="2018-03-01T01:31:22.030" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14815" PostId="5077" Score="2" Text="Also, OP posted a [follow-up question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/107421/3192) where she is being tossed back to Law.SE anyway, so I doubt she is going to come back to the original question and clarify the above. Since the question got unlocked, I thought it was best to delete it to prevent causing her further misery when she has already lost her job. Providing us clarifications so that we can improve and reopen her question is most certainly not her highest concern at the moment, which is totally understandable." CreationDate="2018-03-01T01:34:45.433" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14816" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I just went to try and edit the question, but it says it is still locked." CreationDate="2018-03-01T13:15:59.643" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14817" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Right, the net effect of undeleting the question was that it got reverted to the &quot;migration rejected&quot; state. Monica or one of the other mods has to redo the post unlocking, if someone wants to edit it." CreationDate="2018-03-01T14:34:18.743" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14818" PostId="5077" Score="1" Text="Sheesh; I did not expect undeleting a question that was *unlocked when it was deleted* to lock it again.  I've unlocked it again @DavidK.  If this causes trouble again I'll clear the migration history." CreationDate="2018-03-01T15:22:19.847" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14819" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="I have edited the question to remove the irrelevant rants about the colleague and focus on what I see as the only practically answerable issue in the post. I have cast a reopen vote as well." CreationDate="2018-03-01T16:12:23.907" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14821" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="And it was deleted again before it could be reopened." CreationDate="2018-03-01T17:07:51.003" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14822" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="@DavidK it had three reopen votes, one of the delete-voters was Masked Man who then edited it, and one was one of the three voters the first time.  Taking all that into account, I've undeleted, cleared migration history, and reopened." CreationDate="2018-03-01T17:12:44.767" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14823" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="@Monica The edits subsequent to mine add a lot of assumptions which are not inferred from the original question. I am not so sure that should be encouraged. We should not be plastering our interpretation of the situation on someone else's question. However, I don't want to start a rollback war, so decided to comment here instead." CreationDate="2018-03-01T17:17:27.823" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14824" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan the edits look to me to be consistent with the OP's original, but without the problematic legal aspects and unclarity.  For a question that would otherwise be closed and deleted, I'm willing to grant some extra slack on edits so long as they don't go against the OP's apparent intent.  The OP gets notified on edits and is free to further edit." CreationDate="2018-03-01T17:20:13.550" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14825" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I just reworked the question, using the original version as a baseline. I extrapolated a bit to emphasize why I think the OP is upset with the behavior (or why anyone would be), but I don't think I made any leaps that significantly alter the premise of the question." CreationDate="2018-03-01T17:33:14.450" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14826" PostId="5077" Score="1" Text="As I said before, those rants against the colleague are both unsubstantiated and unnecessary to the question.  Also that 2+2=4 example is confusing and makes no sense, since if the disagreement was over a matter so obvious, then it wouldn't really be that big of an issue. I made an edit in good faith despite having voted to both close and delete the question previously, and cast a reopen vote as well. My edit and reopen votes were among the factors that led to its eventual undeletion, as Monica says above." CreationDate="2018-03-01T17:41:42.660" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14827" PostId="5077" Score="1" Text="I did not cast that reopen vote for a version of that question half filled with unnecessary rants against a colleague, so I feel cheated by this whole episode of making a mod misuse her privilege to push the crap past the radar, and then reverting the question back to more or less that same version that got closed and deleted." CreationDate="2018-03-01T17:43:33.657" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14828" PostId="5077" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I don't have the energy to deal with this any more today. I will not edit the question any further. Good day." CreationDate="2018-03-01T17:45:09.210" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14820" PostId="5078" Score="0" Text="thankyou, I edited the question to - i think - emphasise the issue a little more, feel free to edit if you think this puts the question back into closing territory" CreationDate="2018-03-01T16:44:02.147" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="14830" PostId="5080" Score="0" Text="&quot;practically never followed by any explanation&quot; I had not actually opened the link to the example before I wrote my answer, but I did so now. What exactly do you mean by this statement? Richard has written about three paragraphs of explanation following that phrase. I also searched through all the other answers on this site containing that phrase, and could not find a single example that demonstrates what you have described." CreationDate="2018-03-04T17:56:42.380" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14831" PostId="5080" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan i think he means &quot;beyond someone randoms on the internet's opinions&quot;" CreationDate="2018-03-04T18:17:20.927" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="14832" PostId="5080" Score="0" Text="@bharal What constitutes &quot;explanation&quot; according to you?" CreationDate="2018-03-04T18:20:10.117" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14841" PostId="5080" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan it means i'm inferring that the OP wants to know more about it than just &quot;some random person's opinions&quot;" CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:32:04.397" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="14842" PostId="5080" Score="0" Text="And what exactly is this &quot;more&quot; that you are looking for? Apparently my answer below is not good enough for you because I suppose that too is &quot;just some random person's opinion&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:36:13.850" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14862" PostId="5080" Score="0" Text="&quot;Is this just an annoying meme, or it has at least some background?&quot; - Yes." CreationDate="2018-03-05T13:40:11.810" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14851" PostId="5081" Score="0" Text="&quot;HR is not your career coach, HR is not a shoulder for you to cry on, HR is not your guardian angel&quot; oh well, I thought it is exactly what they are expected to be. And fully in the interest of the company. Because unhappy worker is a problem to the company (performance lost etc.). I'd be tended to 'HR might be not your friend - in badly managed company' - but do the nightmare companies constitute the canonical answer? I have doubts... Therefore I ask..." CreationDate="2018-03-04T23:01:43.423" UserId="64225" />
  <row Id="14858" PostId="5081" Score="0" Text="@Danubian Sailor We are getting close to the No True Scotsman fallacy here. What I have described above is true of a typical company. Now if you counter that by saying any such company is a &quot;nightmare company&quot;, then I cannot do anything more to convince you." CreationDate="2018-03-05T08:20:03.047" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14896" PostId="5081" Score="0" Text="Maybe I should ask - a typical company where? For sure a typical company would be something fully different in Saudi Arabia and in Denmark..." CreationDate="2018-03-05T22:57:49.490" UserId="64225" />
  <row Id="14900" PostId="5081" Score="0" Text="In any company in the world, employees are paid to do a job, and not to do a political posturing on behalf of employees. There could certainly be exceptions, but their workplace practices would be company-specific, in other words, off-topic on our site." CreationDate="2018-03-06T12:29:19.660" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14956" PostId="5081" Score="0" Text="What about **&quot;HR is not your union rep&quot;**?" CreationDate="2018-03-15T03:08:51.757" UserId="30555" />
  <row Id="14833" PostId="5083" Score="1" Text="Questions that take way too long to get to the point tend to get closed for that reason. This is a Q&amp;A site, not a place to share life stories. This gets especially worse if the description consists of huge walls of text, which as you can imagine, doesn't make things clearer to understand. Also, that close reason only means that the 5 guys who voted found it unclear. It doesn't mean nobody will ever understand what the question says, so most of your first paragraph is unnecessary." CreationDate="2018-03-04T18:34:23.217" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14835" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I'm not on an opposing view here, just asking. Questions about the &quot;workplace&quot; must surely be a bit more involved given their nature? I see a lot of long questions and answers, I guess as the Q&amp;As here will be deeper subject matters. At what point do you draw the line between &quot;too long&quot; and &quot;not too long&quot;? How do you define &quot;way too long&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:04:21.280" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14836" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="The comment by IDrinkAndIKnowThings on the question explains the issue with this question pretty well. It is a huge rant with a question tacked on to the end. My above comment is not a &quot;rule&quot; for closing questions, just a general observation. The length of the post by itself is not the issue, as long as all that text is relevant to the issue at hand. But if the question keeps meandering all over the place before getting to the point, then we will put it on hold until it gets cleaned up." CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:17:10.207" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14837" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="We want questions and answers here to be useful to the community, not to one or two people. Also, existence of other bad questions is never a justification for allowing additional bad questions. We volunteer to improve questions, but we have limited effort to spend on it, and cannot always fix every question. Moreover, we also don't want to give the impression that people can toss in any garbage, and our army of unpaid volunteers will edit it into shape." CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:20:12.057" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14838" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="I will do some self promotion to make the message clear. Have a look at my edit to this (presently featured) [question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/96973/3192) or this other [question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/107229/3192), where I removed all the irrelevant details without making the question any less useful." CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:27:56.717" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14839" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the feedback. I completely disagree it's a &quot;huge rant&quot;. I see connotations of displeasure in certain elements of the explanation. &quot;*Questions that take way too long to get to the point tend to get closed for that reason*&quot; - &quot;*My above comment is not a &quot;rule&quot; for closing questions*&quot; so it was closed purely as &quot;unclear&quot;. I find that confusing as I edited it and answered it just fine. Maybe there is another reason this was closed then if &quot;too long&quot; is not it? And &quot;unclear&quot; is just a catch all?" CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:30:13.893" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14840" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="Looking at it again, I see a lot could be pulled out though. There are chunky paragraphs with not much in them. Fair point :)" CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:31:25.133" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14843" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="*You* understood the question doesn't mean it is clear to everybody. We voted to close the question's initial version, and apparently, you too found it unclear, otherwise you wouldn't have edited it that much." CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:39:16.930" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14844" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="I didn't find the contents unclear, just the oversized paragraphs, I didn;t really edit text just layout :)" CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:40:43.470" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14847" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="Yes, correct. That made the question clearer. That's the whole point of using formatting - to make things more readable." CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:43:40.493" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14849" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="Ok, I've edited it even further. I feel I've retained the core issue and info without the unnecessary background info https://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/68698" CreationDate="2018-03-04T20:09:00.817" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14850" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I was referring to your point &quot;*you too found it unclear, otherwise you wouldn't have edited it that much*&quot;. In that, making something clearer or more readable doesn't mean it was unclear before that, just that it's &quot;clearer&quot; now. If the question wasn't clear to begin with I wouldn't (couldn't) have improved it." CreationDate="2018-03-04T20:14:22.973" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14855" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="We are again going back to the same point. We want the questions to be clear to the community, not to one or two people who care to read through huge walls of text and figure out what the question is. Specifically, if in future, someone else should have a similar problem, they should be able to get a solution from the question that has been already asked. If the question is unreadable, they cannot even tell if it describes their own situation or not." CreationDate="2018-03-05T01:13:58.093" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14856" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="I don't think anyone really &quot;cares to read huge walls of text&quot;. I never enjoyed editing that question, it just needed to be done. I got satisfaction from answering in the hope that it helped OP and others reading it. I only edited because it seemed like it was salvageable - especially when compared to other crud or unsalvageable questions. With a little work now it seems like a decent Q&amp;A pair :)" CreationDate="2018-03-05T01:51:49.103" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="19459" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="One problem with the current system though is that a question only has to be unclear to a handful of people to get closed.  Literally everyone else could find it clear enough and it would still get closed as unclear.  So being closed as unclear doesn't technically communicate that the community thinks a question is unclear; it communicates that 5 people think it is.  And in a large community it's not hard to find 5 people who will think any particular thing.  I think whether a question receives answers is a much better indicator of its clarity." CreationDate="2019-05-02T14:17:57.717" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="19460" PostId="5083" Score="0" Text="I've posted a question about this issue: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6131/request-to-burninate-the-unclear-what-youre-asking-close-reason" CreationDate="2019-05-02T14:19:26.043" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="14845" PostId="5084" Score="0" Text="You can always use your mod hammer to undelete the question (more than once if necessary) regardless of the community opinion, so I suppose there is not much harm done by the delete votes." CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:41:54.557" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14846" PostId="5084" Score="0" Text="Yeah, MaskedMan's comments made me revisit with a new outlook and I can see there is a lot of unnecessary text. Thanks for giving info :)" CreationDate="2018-03-04T19:41:55.753" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14848" PostId="5084" Score="2" Text="@MaskedMan by &quot;community opinion&quot;, you mean four people, three of whom regularly use chat to solicit deletions?  As I explained there, the question that got three delete votes in ~90 minutes *also* had three reopen votes and an edit.  Related: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5085/325." CreationDate="2018-03-04T20:00:35.697" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14852" PostId="5084" Score="0" Text="Oh, no, not at all. By &quot;community opinion&quot;, I meant not four, but *two* people, one who created a meta post and one who commented on it. Anyway, for that particular question, we did not &quot;collude&quot; to get it deleted. (You can verify from the chat log.) One of those three reopen votes was from me, and that edit was also from me. (Interestingly, one of those &quot;four community users&quot; solicited *reopen* votes for that question.) Nonetheless, once the question was reopened, it was hijacked by the above-mentioned community to paste their own interpretations rather than &quot;working with the OP&quot;." CreationDate="2018-03-05T01:03:22.893" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14853" PostId="5084" Score="0" Text="Oh, and speaking of that 90 minute deletion, that question was around for about 2 days before being deleted. The only reason it wasn't deleted sooner was because it was locked. Once the question got unlocked it made no sense to continue waiting for another 2 days to delete it. Of course, every question can be &quot;improved&quot; by hijacking it and pasting our own interpretation of the issue, so then there is never a need to delete any question." CreationDate="2018-03-05T01:09:51.720" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14854" PostId="5084" Score="1" Text="I was browsing the chat transcript the other day (not looking for anything in particular) and found enough negativity that it deters me from entering the room.  As for the edits, did you notice that the edit you're complaining about was rolled back?  The post was unlocked because a member of the community wanted to try to fix it, as expressed on meta, and before that could happen people rushed in to delete it.  If it had just been sitting there that'd be different, but edits were being attempted." CreationDate="2018-03-05T01:12:36.437" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14863" PostId="5085" Score="9" Text="Thank you for posting this. I've thought for a while that we have a problem with being too quick to delete questions. It's especially an issue when there's a crowd in chat saying &quot;Quick, delete this before they can reopen it!&quot;" CreationDate="2018-03-05T13:44:06.353" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14866" PostId="5085" Score="4" Text="@MisterPositive duplicates aren't bad if they're worded differently enough that search might find them but not the original.  If they're complete duplicates, like when somebody responds to a closure by *reposting the question* (happens occasionally), that's different." CreationDate="2018-03-05T13:53:49.147" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14881" PostId="5085" Score="6" Text="@MisterPositive I'm not talking about *closing*.  I *want* us to put questions on hold quickly if there are problems; that's the best way to prevent a train wreck.  I'm talking about quick *deletions* here." CreationDate="2018-03-05T15:13:56.380" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14887" PostId="5085" Score="6" Text="With a heavy sense of irony, I've deleted my answer here." CreationDate="2018-03-05T15:45:35.627" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="14907" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="This question deserved to be deleted. Period. End of story. https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/107593/437" CreationDate="2018-03-06T19:52:38.597" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="14912" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="@JimG - I disagree.  The answer deserved to be deleted.  The question could have been saved with out the answer there to prevent the overhaul it needed.  But once the answer exists then I agree it had to go." CreationDate="2018-03-06T20:45:17.177" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14913" PostId="5085" Score="1" Text="Related: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3299/16" CreationDate="2018-03-06T20:47:54.240" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14950" PostId="5085" Score="1" Text="My first job was self-employment, so no I didn't get fired at all. My second job I did get fired, although not for making a mistake. My fifth job I got fired, but again, not for making a mistake. But a lot of people were fired from my fifth job for incompetence, regardless of their experience or lack thereof. One thing that saves inexperienced people who make mistakes most places I've worked is when they actually make fewer mistakes than someone else. They don't have to be better than bad, they just have to be better than their worst coworker." CreationDate="2018-03-13T17:26:15.737" UserId="35944" />
  <row Id="14960" PostId="5085" Score="5" Text="&quot;I think we're being too trigger-happy with questions that could be fixed or that people are actively trying to fix.&quot; - Agreed! I  believe that trigger-happiness extends to Closes as well as to Deletes. IMHO, rapid closing of questions chases many newbies off. I wish there was more effort put into improving questions *before* voting to close them. Seems as if a small majority likes to vote to close. We've talked about this before. I'm not sure it's going to change." CreationDate="2018-03-15T13:36:31.083" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="14986" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="A similar question was [recently asked on math meta](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/27918/is-deleting-a-question-while-it-is-still-on-hold-too-quick) and the huge discrepancy in the level of civility here (high) vs. there (low) makes me laugh." CreationDate="2018-03-23T15:49:44.837" UserDisplayName="user85276" />
  <row Id="15041" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="I just want to add one thing. A new user doesn't care if his question is on hold or is closed. He just want to get some answers, and move on with his day. You can delete his post or whatever you like." CreationDate="2018-03-30T11:29:59.020" UserDisplayName="user47813" />
  <row Id="15079" PostId="5085" Score="2" Text="Too many new users get shogged on here. It's hard to get questions re-opened after they have been improved, which doesn't help." CreationDate="2018-04-05T15:44:18.087" UserId="26334" />
  <row Id="15084" PostId="5085" Score="0" Text="Stack overflow doesn't do this and it grinds my gears to no end. It's good to see a Stack Exchange community taking the teaching initiative like this. Well done!" CreationDate="2018-04-06T22:35:36.183" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="14877" PostId="5088" Score="7" Text="&quot;*However, if the intern's work is horribly bad, the supervisor will probably need to scrap their work entirely.*&quot; Driving the anology further into the ground, how is the intern going to improve the second time around when the supervisor has thrown his original work out with no other feedback beyond &quot;*This sucks, do it again!*&quot;? Or what if some benevolent coworkers want to help out but now can't because they have no idea what the original worked looked like *or that there even is an intern*?" CreationDate="2018-03-05T15:06:41.413" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14878" PostId="5088" Score="6" Text="I follow your last point as well but again must point out that you're jumping the gun. It's up to community members to decide if they want to help an OP out. In most cases poor questions with no follow-up will receive no such assistance *and they will be automatically removed by the system given time*. But I've seen a few cases where the OP was actually contributing and responding in comments only for everything to go up in smoke." CreationDate="2018-03-05T15:08:28.740" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14882" PostId="5088" Score="19" Text="An upvote means &quot;this is good&quot;.  A question that has problems but is fixable is not yet good and therefore does not deserve an upvote.  Upvoting these &quot;meh&quot; questions just to prevent over-eager 20k users from nuking them would be as much an abuse of the voting as colluding in chat on those deletions would be." CreationDate="2018-03-05T15:16:38.330" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14888" PostId="5088" Score="7" Text="Well, if you want to read &quot;or&quot; where it says &quot;and&quot; then that's on you, but that doesn't make those who read &quot;and&quot; wrong.  As for &quot;meh&quot;, it's not like there's a global quality flag -- good, meh, bad.  If there were, we wouldn't need voting.  If *I* think it's meh but somebody else thinks it's a good question that just needs a little editing, why shouldn't I let that person try to fix it before jumping to deletion?  Also, saving the vote until *after the problem is fixed* sends appropriate signal about that fix." CreationDate="2018-03-05T15:45:46.803" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14921" PostId="5088" Score="3" Text="We do not have collusion by intent.  We have collusion by group belief.  We have a core group of well intentioned high rep users that are agressively targeting bad questions and answers.  In theory that is not a bad thing but there is too much cull hard, and not enough prune and promote growth going on" CreationDate="2018-03-07T04:15:31.783" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14895" PostId="5089" Score="1" Text="I cast the last reopen vote." CreationDate="2018-03-05T22:06:16.357" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="14904" PostId="5089" Score="1" Text="Thanks, it looks like my own reopen vote expired, by the time I could solicit reopen votes here. Never mind that. :)" CreationDate="2018-03-06T17:00:35.773" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14906" PostId="5089" Score="0" Text="Still looking for that canonical post on dealing with harassment, that this would also be a duplicate of..." CreationDate="2018-03-06T17:24:22.913" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="14890" PostId="5090" Score="0" Text="Do you mean send them to a review queue and *don't* immediately publish them on the front page?  SO has a triage system, the details of which I don't know off-hand, that might be similar." CreationDate="2018-03-05T16:44:15.053" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14894" PostId="5090" Score="1" Text="That might work. This stack is certainly popular enough to allow queues to be assessed quickly and not make people wait too long to get answers." CreationDate="2018-03-05T19:12:34.810" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="14920" PostId="5090" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio if we could get that implemented here I think it would reduce the amount of bad answers that prevent questions from being fixed before we have no choice but to close them" CreationDate="2018-03-07T04:04:57.733" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14922" PostId="5090" Score="2" Text="[This post on meta.SO](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/278380/922300) describes their triage.  It's from 2014 so it might not be exact in all the details.  They did later add a &quot;help and improvement&quot; queue too; I don't know much about that but assume it's roughly along the lines of what this post sketched out." CreationDate="2018-03-07T04:38:06.390" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15004" PostId="5090" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio There's also a fuller image of the flow on [MSE](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/300659/241919), and if I didn't misinterpret it (and seems [bluefeet confirmed it](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/252048/question-flags-queues-edits-roomba-community-how-does-this-actually-work#comment977534_300659)), the question will still always be shown on `/questions`, only not on homepage." CreationDate="2018-03-26T04:26:06.627" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="15061" PostId="5090" Score="0" Text="I think this is a solid idea in that it helps prevents trolls while also improving question quality, ergo the question about the sandwich thief could have been caught at this stage. What needs to be done further would be to place the question in a sort of sandbox, viewable to only a few mods/helpers before it even goes live, and only their approval can make the question further available to the general public. However, we'd still need a mechanism to deal with conflicts in case the helpers approve a question and the community decides it's not fit. What then?" CreationDate="2018-04-02T05:47:59.737" UserId="74069" />
  <row Id="14897" PostId="5092" Score="2" Text="Just to be clear on this, *I* don't consider the post score to be an accurate or even an objective measure of the question quality, but that is how SE works. Now if we are going to second guess other people's votes, then it implies we don't trust the SE model, so we shouldn't even be contributing here to begin with." CreationDate="2018-03-06T01:24:15.680" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14917" PostId="5092" Score="0" Text="Your wording for the current NARQ close reason is great.  But it exceeds the maximum length for a custom close reason.  It would be great if they would improve the custom close reasons to make them accept longer text.  It would also be great if they would give us more than 3 custom close reasons..." CreationDate="2018-03-06T21:25:05.803" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14905" PostId="5093" Score="1" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because This is a topic for Meta.StackExchange.com not our Workplace Meta." CreationDate="2018-03-06T17:11:21.777" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14908" PostId="5093" Score="7" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings It's ok to discuss it here to first to find if it'd be useful or not. Then propose it on MSE" CreationDate="2018-03-06T20:17:55.593" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14909" PostId="5093" Score="2" Text="Have you noticed that our highest rep user, Joe Strazzere, does this routinely?" CreationDate="2018-03-06T20:37:50.093" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="14910" PostId="5093" Score="4" Text="@JimG I have noticed quite a few of our really high rep users misuse comments (myself included) And yes it sets a really bad example.  I am actually half convinced that there is an official policy against it but an unofficial acceptance of the comment problem as being something that benefits SE by increasing user engagement, and retention." CreationDate="2018-03-06T20:39:38.527" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14955" PostId="5098" Score="1" Text="&quot;when a question goes stale and no one bothers to try to fix it&quot; - Note that the system [deletes those automatically](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/92006/275243) after enough time elapses, so if you have a limited supply of delete votes, you may want to prioritize other items unless the question is an immediate problem." CreationDate="2018-03-15T03:06:41.487" UserId="30555" />
  <row Id="14962" PostId="5098" Score="0" Text="@Kevin - I am not aware of any limitation on delete votes just a limitation on the review queue" CreationDate="2018-03-15T17:14:05.543" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14968" PostId="5098" Score="0" Text="[DelVotes have a limit separate from any queue, the same as CloseVotes](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5221/how-does-deleting-work-what-can-cause-a-post-to-be-deleted-and-what-does-that?)." CreationDate="2018-03-16T20:25:53.247" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="14969" PostId="5098" Score="0" Text="@Nij I dont know that I could have hit that limit 2x in all my time on this SE if all my delete votes happened in 2 days though..." CreationDate="2018-03-19T04:33:46.837" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14915" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="Well ok not exactly what they want, but outside some very basic and low impact rules (as per the comment flag options), they have free will, was my point. Then it's up to the community to determine what if feels should be cleaned up and flag it if needed. https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/252844/make-comment-flags-less-stupid" CreationDate="2018-03-06T21:15:51.110" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14918" PostId="5099" Score="1" Text="Uhm no, let's not encourage people to post more comments by calling it &quot;free will&quot;. We only have 4 moderators to deal with all those comment flags (among other things), let us no add to their burden with &quot;free will&quot; comments." CreationDate="2018-03-07T01:19:38.710" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14924" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="I never said we should allow bad comments that need moderating or encourage bad comments that need moderating. I never even said anything at all about encouragement. I just said that people are allowed to comment, and flagging then to be removed if they're not rude etc is not fair. You really hate outsiders here don't you? Ban their comments even if &quot;answers the question&quot;, close questions immediately and delete quickly if it doesn't fit in to what you want. Downvote a sensible answer on meta that is entirely accurate. Good luck with it all" CreationDate="2018-03-07T10:56:48.670" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14925" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="I don't hate anybody. You are pretty much preaching to the choir here on the comment deletion being unfair. I have myself &quot;fought&quot; with SE community managers on that point in the past, asking why SE invites people to &quot;add a comment&quot; and then says that posting comments is not allowed unless it fits their narrow set of criteria. I was refererring more to the additional trouble it would cause to *our* moderators to process all those flags." CreationDate="2018-03-07T11:50:29.450" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14926" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="You also don't seem to realize the nuisance that people have caused by posting answers under other people's answers as comments, causing those answers to get downvoted while the comment itself is immune to downvoting." CreationDate="2018-03-07T11:55:33.647" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14927" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="And about that instant deletion that you are accusing me of, it has already been established that the post was deleted after 4 days and not after 90 minutes as previously claimed. You can look that up in the edit history of that post. Please refrain from jumping to conclusions and accusing people when you don't know the full story." CreationDate="2018-03-07T12:16:12.823" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14928" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="Seems to me people are too defensive about the problems instead of just getting on with what are basic solutions. And also debating what is and what is not a comment, etc etc. My post here is grossly misunderstood, and I believe that is based on the aforementioned defensiveness. I'm in no way at all advocating bad or pointless comments, nor the clean up of them, I was arguing against cleaning up comments which are fine - ie leave them, let people comment, move along..." CreationDate="2018-03-07T14:22:36.923" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14929" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="I agree with your overall answer. I just made a remark about the &quot;free will&quot; part which could be misused by some people to justify such comments. I was talking mainly about comments which are not appropriate. When you have people routinely using comments as hit-and-run tactic, you tend to get defensive." CreationDate="2018-03-07T16:12:47.067" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14930" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="I totally understand frustrations from being a regular seeing the same crap, sincerely. Those need cleaning up if pointless or rude etc, or making into an answer if possible. I wasn't meaning &quot;people have a right to post crap in comments&quot; just that if it's not rude or no longer needed, it's people's right to have. All that said, comments are not protected and can be removed at any time without needing a reason to do so." CreationDate="2018-03-07T16:16:43.300" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14954" PostId="5099" Score="1" Text="One of the basic rules is that you don't post answers in comments. This is because, among other things, comments can't be downvoted and comments aren't sorted by score. Answers in comments defeat the whole mechanism of the site." CreationDate="2018-03-14T22:42:43.907" UserId="15946" />
  <row Id="14957" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="@DavidRicherby &quot;*One of the basic rules is that you don't post answers in comments*&quot; - Can you link me to where that rule is written on Stack please? It's community moderated, so might work on one site and not others. BEsides, my point still stands and I cannot believe people miss it - why delete a comment with an answer in it? Without the comment there is even less of that answer. It should be written in an answer if it's worthwhile, if it's not then it's not really an answer." CreationDate="2018-03-15T11:40:38.033" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14958" PostId="5099" Score="1" Text="@James The [help centre](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment) is explicit: &quot;When shouldn't I comment? [...] Answering a question or providing an alternate solution to an existing answer; instead, post an actual answer (or edit to expand an existing one)&quot;." CreationDate="2018-03-15T11:49:19.723" UserId="15946" />
  <row Id="14959" PostId="5099" Score="1" Text="And the point of deleting answers as comments is, as I have already said, that answering in a comment completely defeats all the quality control mechanisms the site has." CreationDate="2018-03-15T11:50:19.587" UserId="15946" />
  <row Id="14961" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="Cool, now define &quot;answering a questions&quot;... My point is simple, deleting a comment that is an answer is worse than just leaving it, regardless of the rules or definition of what is or is not an &quot;answer in a comment&quot;." CreationDate="2018-03-15T14:09:37.813" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14963" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="@James Stack Exchange is _not_ meant to be a forum where everyone gets personal help but a place to collect _high quality answers_ to high quality questions, leaving semi-answers in an non-editable and non-downvotable state is unconstructive. It is specifically created to _remove_ such unvetted noise. So yes, a half-baked answer in the comments does more harm than good." CreationDate="2018-03-15T21:23:04.217" UserId="45195" />
  <row Id="14964" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="I've stated a few times now that they should be made into answers, this is the better approach. Just deleting them is simply deleting useful information. However you define what &quot;comment answer&quot; is and whether it should exist or not, it being there provides *some* information that might help others, it being removed helps *no-one*. Again, instead of just deleting them people should be turning them into answers. If they're not that useful then they weren't answers and so delete away" CreationDate="2018-03-16T00:50:29.727" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14965" PostId="5099" Score="0" Text="Just like the over enthusiastic approach to putting things on hold/close on this site, it's easier to delete &quot;answers&quot; that are in comments than it is to take the time and put some effort in to making it into a decent answer. You talk about quality from the perspective of the rules, but a lot of the rules are guides and how they're interpreted varies from site to site. Make answers from comments and improve the site overall, rather than low hanging fruit of cleaning up comments that do no harm" CreationDate="2018-03-16T00:53:35.023" UserId="34374" />
  <row Id="14966" PostId="5100" Score="5" Text="We've got a dangerous game here, text can be a difficult place to understand how people are trying to talk. Someone may consider they are being shouted at, whilst other get the teacher vibe. Some people may also not agree with a constructive comment and start suggesting it's being rude, where do we draw the line and who decides what that line is?" CreationDate="2018-03-16T07:02:09.133" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="14967" PostId="5100" Score="6" Text="@Draken - First a few flags being accepted aren't going to harm you.  Its a threshold thing.  Second if the penalty is enough to make you reconsider should you really post that comment then the system works as intended.  If you cant post it so it reads helpful not snarky or mean then dont comment.  Finally, we elect moderators for that job." CreationDate="2018-03-16T11:35:29.280" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15003" PostId="5100" Score="1" Text="Well, there's never a penalty at all for those users who got their comments removed due to flag, except a manual account suspension by mod team. (unless this answer intended to be a feature request)" CreationDate="2018-03-26T04:16:02.707" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="15005" PostId="5100" Score="1" Text="@AndrewT. - No there is an actual penalty, as a result mods rarely accept rude or abusive flags.(I do not know the actual penalty just know that it has been said else where by the mods that there is one)" CreationDate="2018-03-26T14:53:03.057" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15006" PostId="5100" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings you probably refer to the -100 reputation penalty, but that applies only for posts flagged as rude/spam, not comments." CreationDate="2018-03-26T15:03:45.893" UserId="19590" />
  <row Id="15035" PostId="5100" Score="0" Text="@LightnessRacesinOrbit - I disagree.  I am not advocating for a complete lack of reason, but in general I think thats a valid rule of thumb." CreationDate="2018-03-29T22:55:25.620" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15037" PostId="5100" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings: It's a false dichotomy, and it violates the &quot;assume good faith&quot; rule. It's also prone to overreacting to misunderstandings on your part (possibly due to cultural differences), as has already been pointed out." CreationDate="2018-03-29T23:14:16.197" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="15042" PostId="5100" Score="1" Text="@LightnessRacesinOrbit - Lets face it.  This rule is going to mostly apply to the few of us who tend to post comments that are more critical and less helpful. Comments are not for declaring you dislike of an answer or question.  That is an abuse of the comment system.  It is not that it is OK to post those comments, it is just permitted.  I am saying its time to stop permitting it." CreationDate="2018-03-30T11:31:04.860" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15043" PostId="5100" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings: And I'm saying it's not. Hover over the &quot;add a comment&quot; link (on a non-meta site) and you'll see that comments _are_ for critiquing. Along with requesting clarification, that is literally their purpose. Feedback is how people learn." CreationDate="2018-03-30T11:54:22.807" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="15044" PostId="5100" Score="1" Text="@LightnessRacesinOrbit Critiquing is an attempt to improve the question, not just declare your disagreement.  That is what voting is for.  Comments trigger some people with OCD, and some people enjoy triggering those people.  That is abusive." CreationDate="2018-03-30T12:15:39.453" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15045" PostId="5100" Score="3" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings: You can't attempt to improve the question without stating things that are wrong wit hit. Of course being abusive is not acceptable, but your suggestion seems to take a dangerous approach to deciding when someone is and isn't abusive. You need strong evidence of that. Don't just throw someone under the bus because they didn't use as many smileys as you'd have liked." CreationDate="2018-03-30T12:55:54.953" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="15047" PostId="5100" Score="2" Text="How do some comments trigger people with OCD?" CreationDate="2018-03-30T16:11:52.137" UserId="54765" />
  <row Id="15048" PostId="5100" Score="2" Text="@Kat - I would like to ignore comments a lot.  However comments that I perceive as critical or challenging of my position I literally am unable to not reply.  If I don't my anxiety will build until I either crack or address it, or self harm.  which half the time addressing it is self harm.  I dont mind polite questions like yours.  But I expect there are people reading this thinking that is a bunch of hog wash that I am just mentally weak.  We are both right." CreationDate="2018-03-30T19:40:54.403" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15049" PostId="5100" Score="1" Text="@LightnessRacesinOrbit - But you do not have to be abusive in your manner of addressing the issue.  Ask questions, rather than stating as facts works wonderfully.  And most importantly nothing is gained from a comment that boils down to I disagree with your answer.  That is already displayed in a down-vote.  Your 1 rep penalty for voting my answer down does not give you the right to harass someone suffering from OCD.  I suspect we have several users here with similar conditions.  And just a few that enjoy intentionally trying to provoke them." CreationDate="2018-03-30T19:49:39.010" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15050" PostId="5100" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings: Of course not, but you weren't talking about people actually being abusive. You said that if you think the comment isn't &quot;nice or constructive&quot; then it should automatically be _considered_ &quot;abusive&quot; anyway, which is extremely problematic because what constitues &quot;nice&quot; or &quot;constructive&quot; is vastly more subject to opinion than what constitutes &quot;abusive&quot;. You can't just auto-replace one with the other and expect it to be appropriate in all cases." CreationDate="2018-03-30T20:11:12.613" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="15086" PostId="5100" Score="0" Text="@LightnessRacesinOrbit - That is why we have moderators.  I agree automatically is too absolute.  Please help me find the right word.  I am thinking something like consistantly, or routinely but I think those are the wrong words too." CreationDate="2018-04-09T12:26:47.950" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14931" PostId="5102" Score="1" Text="I know in the past moderators have used some of their privileged information (IP addresses possibly) to determine that certain users are known trolls with a history of bad behavior and multiple sock accounts. I know of at least one instance where a moderator has deleted highly-voted questions from the troll, even if the questions are not clearly identifiable as trolling. Since this question was mod-deleted, I would guess that this is a similar situation." CreationDate="2018-03-08T16:30:08.180" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14932" PostId="5102" Score="0" Text="I thought of that at first, but as far as I remember, that user has posted a grand total of one question on this site, including that one. Perhaps they were using sock puppets or other tricks, then, of course, that makes sense." CreationDate="2018-03-08T16:31:58.440" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14933" PostId="5102" Score="1" Text="Yeah, I think the case I'm thinking of was also a new user that the mods somehow determined was the same person who had been posting a large number of other troll posts, all under different accounts. The highly-voted question just happened to be more passable then all of their other posts. BTW, I flagged this for moderator attention, since I think they're the only ones who can really answer this." CreationDate="2018-03-08T16:37:57.330" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="14943" PostId="5102" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan: The IP logs might tell a different story." CreationDate="2018-03-09T00:09:57.217" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="21551" PostId="5102" Score="0" Text="Does this answer your question? [Why was this question about handling the fallout of a crass joke deleted?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4414/why-was-this-question-about-handling-the-fallout-of-a-crass-joke-deleted)" CreationDate="2020-03-12T22:45:48.247" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14934" PostId="5103" Score="3" Text="Thanks for the explanation. Assume good intentions and then the post actually turns out to be a troll! Such is life, I suppose." CreationDate="2018-03-08T16:53:05.150" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="14935" PostId="5103" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan yeah, it's frustrating when that happens. :-(" CreationDate="2018-03-08T17:11:02.747" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14937" PostId="5103" Score="2" Text="Always consult with your local self-identified master of Trolljitsu.  A master always recognizes one less disciplined in the art." CreationDate="2018-03-08T20:57:04.130" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14938" PostId="5103" Score="1" Text="@RichardU but does the self-identified master *also* recognize non-trolls?  True positives are good, but we also need to make sure we don't get false positives." CreationDate="2018-03-08T20:58:39.657" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="14939" PostId="5103" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio I don't get many false positives, and there are things that are **ALWAYS** indicative of trolling, such as something that makes an entire group look bad (The deleted post) or has blatant, salacious content (The post with the woman trying to get a few thousand from the guy)  If you get both MM and myself saying &quot;This is a troll&quot;, your chance of a false positive is nearly nil.  A troll is simply something designed to get a reaction.   To be aware, it's not just the unlikelihood of a situation, but the details included that cause a reaction." CreationDate="2018-03-08T21:16:01.117" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14940" PostId="5103" Score="0" Text="This deleted question, for example, was clearly a flame-bait troll.  I've done them myself.  The tipoff was the combination of apparent complete ignorance with English that was clear and coherent.  This was reminiscent of the troll by our friend &quot;Poonjay Poundri&quot; and his boss, although in that case it was more [You no take candle](http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouNoTakeCandle)" CreationDate="2018-03-08T21:21:11.200" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14941" PostId="5103" Score="0" Text="SE is a good collection of helpful sites, and I don't want to see it damaged.  SE is hard to troll, which unfortunately gives serious &quot;troll cred&quot; to anyone who manages to pull one off, which of course inspires others." CreationDate="2018-03-08T21:31:45.093" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14947" PostId="5104" Score="7" Text="We prefer questions that have practical answers over this kind of general &quot;*is X common?*&quot;. What if we told you it was? Would that change anything about your situation? A better question here would be something akin to &quot;*How do I gain visibility / get promoted in a culture doing X*&quot;. And if you're that adamant about the start-up aspect, [startups.se] *might* be a better fit, though I don't know if your question is on-topic there. And note that this is a Q&amp;A site not a forum: there is no discussion that should be taking place there..." CreationDate="2018-03-11T21:39:34.070" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14948" PostId="5104" Score="0" Text="Terrible, no other comment to make. Enjoy yourself." CreationDate="2018-03-11T22:55:52.240" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="14949" PostId="5104" Score="6" Text="@Monoandale if you wish to engage in a more open discussion perhaps you can try that on [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler). There you can surely get &quot;answers&quot; to more open &quot;questions&quot; like *Is this common*" CreationDate="2018-03-12T00:25:18.020" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14952" PostId="5104" Score="2" Text="@Monoandale umm it was actually a real piece of advice, as the Watercooler is usually active. There we can discuss this thoroughly if you wish to, no sarcasm intended" CreationDate="2018-03-13T20:06:14.440" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="14953" PostId="5104" Score="0" Text="@Monoandale yes, please come to chat.  We have cookies" CreationDate="2018-03-13T20:10:04.783" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15011" PostId="5104" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal: Care to make that into a regular answer? I´d like to up vote it?" CreationDate="2018-03-27T09:11:48.893" UserId="71695" />
  <row Id="15013" PostId="5104" Score="1" Text="@Daniel No real need I think. Meta is more discussion-focussed and the answer vs comment distinction is less relevant. We also don't clean-up comments here the way we do on main. And my comment is also less of an answer and was more intended to point out some potential improvements." CreationDate="2018-03-27T16:08:07.793" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="14975" PostId="5108" Score="3" Text="Possible duplicate of [Is there a process in place to dispute a &quot;duplicate&quot; flag?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3508/is-there-a-process-in-place-to-dispute-a-duplicate-flag)" CreationDate="2018-03-21T21:12:23.113" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14977" PostId="5108" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings seriously? What edit do you want, exactly, to clarify that the question being asked is different? A basic grasp of what each questions asks should be specific, as they are *now* they are different, no editing needed" CreationDate="2018-03-21T21:34:57.897" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="14978" PostId="5108" Score="3" Text="Unless it is the same and no real edit is going to make it any different effectively. Its the same problem and no variables you listed effect the results." CreationDate="2018-03-21T23:31:29.307" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14979" PostId="5108" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings please let me know how they are the same question" CreationDate="2018-03-21T23:45:07.400" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="14980" PostId="5108" Score="1" Text="You were rejected.  There is nothing you can say that is going to change it.  The reviewer was wrong.  They believe their expert not the candidate.  Nothing you can say is going to change that.  It may not even be the real reason you were rejected." CreationDate="2018-03-22T10:16:37.730" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14981" PostId="5108" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings *It may not even be the real reason you were rejected*.  Ding, ding, ding!" CreationDate="2018-03-22T11:14:21.690" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="14973" PostId="5109" Score="2" Text="with regards to comments removal being first step to banning, this is only the case if many of these are flagged as rude / abusive and if (that's quite a big BIG if) if moderators agree with these flags. Though even in this case it can hardly qualify as a first step because true first step (at least for established user accounts) is a mod message suggesting to change commenting style" CreationDate="2018-03-21T20:40:37.900" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14974" PostId="5109" Score="1" Text="@gnat thanks for clarifying. ah, I hope you don't mind if I mention that, hilariously your answer is a comment :)" CreationDate="2018-03-21T20:49:24.310" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="14976" PostId="5109" Score="0" Text="Related: [Be nice policy](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/be-nice)" CreationDate="2018-03-21T21:22:39.917" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="14982" PostId="5109" Score="2" Text="comments at meta work a bit differently than at main site ([among many other things](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/240440/165773))" CreationDate="2018-03-22T12:19:21.683" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="14984" PostId="5113" Score="0" Text="The question is not about accepting a role. The question is about how to approach people in the workplace. They were told one thing, and now I have to explain to them its another - even though I and the manager agreed it would be different. I have to approach them as if they feel they've been misled in the situation." CreationDate="2018-03-23T10:41:23.410" UserId="18795" />
  <row Id="14994" PostId="5113" Score="0" Text="@hawkeye Why do you think you need to approach people differently?  Maybe that is the piece i am missing here." CreationDate="2018-03-23T16:57:41.610" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14995" PostId="5113" Score="0" Text="@Hawkeye Or are you asking how to passive-agressively show your disapproval of the switch?  (That is a valid question I would support btw if that is your intent)" CreationDate="2018-03-23T17:00:29.357" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="14998" PostId="5113" Score="0" Text="I’m asking how to help them in their confusion in an uncomfortable situation. They assented to me being their leader in one role. Now I’m coming in as a consultant which isn’t what they agreed to at all." CreationDate="2018-03-23T22:18:29.167" UserId="18795" />
  <row Id="14999" PostId="5113" Score="0" Text="@hawkeye - That part is not at all clear. also not clear is what is the difference in the role and why is it causing confusion.  I assume this role existed and you are capable of performing in that role?" CreationDate="2018-03-24T02:33:10.913" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15000" PostId="5113" Score="1" Text="Cool - can we delete it then?" CreationDate="2018-03-24T02:38:00.687" UserId="18795" />
  <row Id="15001" PostId="5113" Score="1" Text="@Hawkeye Do you want the question deleted? - If so flag the question and ask the mods to delete it and they should." CreationDate="2018-03-24T12:31:06.807" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15002" PostId="5113" Score="2" Text="I have flagged it and asked for deletion. What happens if they don't delete it in a day or two?" CreationDate="2018-03-25T04:33:58.257" UserId="18795" />
  <row Id="15010" PostId="5117" Score="3" Text="&quot;Closed&quot; Status should not be abused to protect from further answers. *IF* it is a good Q/A that is worth having on the site, it should not be closed." CreationDate="2018-03-27T09:05:20.263" UserId="71695" />
  <row Id="15023" PostId="5120" Score="1" Text="Tagging these as related: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4839/recent-string-of-trolling-questions  https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4021/is-calling-someone-a-troll-against-the-be-nice-policy" CreationDate="2018-03-29T19:58:09.883" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15024" PostId="5120" Score="1" Text="Flag posts, down vote." CreationDate="2018-03-29T19:58:10.013" UserDisplayName="user41891" />
  <row Id="15026" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="Yes @AnneDaunted.  Thank you for asking.  I will edit the question to clarify." CreationDate="2018-03-29T19:58:57.447" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15027" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted as an aside, I recently noticed that a Workplace user I had assumed was banned for trolling was still at it.  I suspect he had a long term ban and that was recently expired, but I'm not sure." CreationDate="2018-03-29T20:01:40.303" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15029" PostId="5120" Score="2" Text="The guidance from the two questions you linked (and the other I linked) all seem pretty clear to me. What would you like to know that you believe isn't addressed in the other posts?" CreationDate="2018-03-29T20:18:25.690" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15030" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="*&quot;I recently noticed that a Workplace user I had assumed was banned for trolling was still at it.&quot;* I wouldn't be surprised if we were thinking of the same user. But let's not go into further detail." CreationDate="2018-03-29T20:29:27.563" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15031" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted Pop into [The Water Cooler](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler) if you want to..." CreationDate="2018-03-29T20:56:00.633" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="15032" PostId="5120" Score="2" Text="@Lumberjack You may want to give this a read: [Why we don't keep public records of suspensions](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/293213/why-we-dont-keep-public-records-of-suspensions). The point of suspensions is that they expire and that users get to try again. We should try to avoid judging those users by their past actions and give them the benefit of the doubt, to the extent possible. Beyond that the advice given in the linked questions still applies of course." CreationDate="2018-03-29T20:59:54.743" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15033" PostId="5120" Score="1" Text="@SiXandSeven8ths probably worth keeping in mind that voting down is unlikely to help. [Prior experience](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4414/why-was-this-question-about-handling-the-fallout-of-a-crass-joke-deleted?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1#comment12034_4415) suggests that trolls somehow figured a way to exploit [meta-tag:hot-questions] meaning that downvotes from small number of site regulars will be totally obscured by upvotes from &quot;entertained&quot; careless passers-by" CreationDate="2018-03-29T21:36:30.667" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15034" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="@DavidK I think that is a fair criticism.  I believe both of the questions I linked do a good job of discussing how to handle a bad question or answer.  I have edited my question in the hopes that it will now accurately articulate the question I intended to ask, namely: &quot;In those cases where there is a community consensus that a user is a troll, is there anything that we, as average Workplace users, can or should do to help identify the pattern of behavior?&quot;" CreationDate="2018-03-29T21:58:18.003" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15036" PostId="5120" Score="1" Text="There are no trolls, only people trying to play the game and ask an interesting question.  Dont hate the player hate the game." CreationDate="2018-03-29T23:12:35.537" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15038" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="Which question are you concerned about?" CreationDate="2018-03-30T00:21:46.357" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="15039" PostId="5120" Score="0" Text="@JimG. The question was already deleted." CreationDate="2018-03-30T00:50:10.353" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15040" PostId="5121" Score="0" Text="I've asked for a couple of users to be deleted, but just asked thin air, didn't actually type it out anywhere. I call them 'troll commenters'. :-)" CreationDate="2018-03-30T11:28:32.173" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="15054" PostId="5122" Score="1" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/quack-overflow" CreationDate="2018-03-31T10:49:22.743" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15055" PostId="5122" Score="1" Text="What the duck? ." CreationDate="2018-03-31T14:31:04.323" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15056" PostId="5122" Score="0" Text="This is an April Fool's Day joke, described in [this Meta post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308564/stack-exchange-has-been-taken-over-by-a-rubber-duck)." CreationDate="2018-03-31T20:07:08.707" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15057" PostId="5123" Score="0" Text="Ahh..makes sense I guess.. a little early though!" CreationDate="2018-03-31T20:09:26.087" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="15058" PostId="5123" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu - that's the joke! Ducks don't use calendars!" CreationDate="2018-03-31T20:58:16.420" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="15059" PostId="5123" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu special dates on SE (whether they're related to hats, April 1, or whatever) last as long as it's that date anywhere in the world, so April 1 starts early for most of us." CreationDate="2018-04-01T19:06:01.437" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15060" PostId="5123" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio ahh of course.. I always forget about the whole timezone thing! Thanks!" CreationDate="2018-04-01T20:25:34.643" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="15062" PostId="5125" Score="2" Text="Oh, I remember that one. In case it makes you feel any better, the question *was* closed but then some people decided it would be a good idea to reopen it, so it was reopened. You can check that in the edit history if you are interested." CreationDate="2018-04-03T01:09:12.430" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15073" PostId="5125" Score="3" Text="It seems that very popular questions can get away with things." CreationDate="2018-04-04T06:33:25.040" UserId="44419" />
  <row Id="15063" PostId="5126" Score="0" Text="You can always try [chat] too for these types of more squishy questions." CreationDate="2018-04-03T15:04:24.853" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="15069" PostId="5126" Score="0" Text="I know we have a similar question out there that I can't find, asking how to tell a colleague to put in an official ticket instead of just calling them directly. I think the questions are different enough, since Joel is essentially &quot;elevating to a manager&quot;, but it would be good to read the other question to make sure they're distinct. I'll keep digging." CreationDate="2018-04-03T16:43:33.930" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15070" PostId="5126" Score="1" Text="Found a few questions, all linked to one another: [\[1\]](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/35764/how-to-shoo-away-people-who-make-informal-requests-at-the-desk-or-canteen), [\[2\]](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/14608/how-do-you-tell-a-business-user-politely-that-the-work-shes-requesting-has-to-c), [\[3\]](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/36387/how-to-stay-professional-when-people-keep-physically-chasing-for-an-immediate-an). Definitely not a duplicate, but still might be worth mentioning in your post to preemptively say why it's not." CreationDate="2018-04-03T16:51:01.777" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15071" PostId="5126" Score="0" Text="Thank you @DavidK that was an informative read, and I agree.  It will take me a little while, but I will edit my question accordingly." CreationDate="2018-04-03T17:42:45.297" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15075" PostId="5126" Score="0" Text="Good edit.  Thank you @DavidK" CreationDate="2018-04-04T12:36:34.967" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15064" PostId="5127" Score="0" Text="Thank you for your candor.  That is a good point.  Do you think it might help if I include details about Rick's performance in general?  Rick is knowledgeable and very well liked by (almost) everybody (I thought.)" CreationDate="2018-04-03T15:29:49.573" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15065" PostId="5127" Score="0" Text="Joel on the other hand has a reputation for being surly and aggressive on the phone." CreationDate="2018-04-03T15:36:47.587" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15066" PostId="5127" Score="2" Text="@Lumberjack That's a clarification you should definitely include in your main-site post. Sounds like you have a Joel problem, not a Rick problem. Obviously, talk with Rick to see if he might have some insight as to what is going on, perhaps Joel didn't like some (correct) advice he was given." CreationDate="2018-04-03T15:43:37.367" UserId="10387" />
  <row Id="15067" PostId="5127" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the suggestion to ask Rick about the situation.  I'm a little embarrassed to say that never occurred to me as an option." CreationDate="2018-04-03T15:45:05.020" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15068" PostId="5127" Score="0" Text="@Lumberjack One more idea: if your help desk auto-records support calls, then review all Joel's calls, not just those with Rick." CreationDate="2018-04-03T15:56:57.833" UserId="10387" />
  <row Id="15072" PostId="5127" Score="3" Text="Even if there is a Rick problem, he needs to deal with his Joel problem.  I think both are fine questions to ask here." CreationDate="2018-04-03T19:35:48.400" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15076" PostId="5130" Score="0" Text="With *&quot;marked duplicate&quot;* are you referring to that [comment](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/110073/what-are-my-options-if-my-waning-company-values-me-highly#comment340606_110073) or was it actually closed as a duplicate? I saw no indication of it being closed (and reopened) in the edit history." CreationDate="2018-04-04T17:02:02.440" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15077" PostId="5130" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted Hmm. You're right. I saw a notice on the post itself along the lines of &quot;this question may already have an answer here... This question is not a duplicate and I'll explain why.&quot; My apologies, it looks like I misunderstood the prompt for VTC as an actual close." CreationDate="2018-04-04T17:06:34.680" UserId="8346" />
  <row Id="15092" PostId="5134" Score="0" Text="What is the question you are wanting to ask that you think is missing a tag?" CreationDate="2018-04-12T17:49:38.397" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15093" PostId="5134" Score="0" Text="https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/110555/what-are-the-benefits-of-a-management-layer-between-upper-leadership-and-staff" CreationDate="2018-04-12T17:51:29.600" UserId="27307" />
  <row Id="15099" PostId="5134" Score="0" Text="I Think if you asked about how to create a business case for this projected position the question would be acceptable.  (possibly even good)" CreationDate="2018-04-13T00:35:58.887" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15094" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="I feel very tempted to discuss my feelings on the topic, but you have asked the question in such a way that I feel that would be frivolous of me." CreationDate="2018-04-12T18:33:39.723" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15096" PostId="5136" Score="4" Text="Keep in mind that this would be a pretty major core site change that would most likely need to have extensive support on main meta before SE would even consider it. Since I don't think many sites have this problem (or consider it to be one) that's probably unlikely to happen." CreationDate="2018-04-12T19:41:47.607" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15097" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal you're probably right, and I can certainly understand the reasons." CreationDate="2018-04-12T20:24:16.673" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="15098" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - I think there is a large amount of engagement potential lost due to the steep learning curve that asking a question on SE can have for some people.  I think there is a great deal of business value in the proposal.  I would hope that the mods would support this sort of Idea even if it is doomed for the round file in Meta." CreationDate="2018-04-13T00:32:56.910" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15101" PostId="5136" Score="4" Text="@MaskedMan Your thoughts on main meta aside, this *is* on-topic here. Site-wide changes can be discussed on individual metas first to build support and establish scope/value before going to main meta with a proposal." CreationDate="2018-04-13T06:54:18.613" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15102" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I didn't give my opinion on this proposal but was just pointing out how difficult it would be to get it realised." CreationDate="2018-04-13T06:56:38.647" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15104" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - Please dont steal our hope.  Hope is our light, with out hope that we can improve even when its hard, there is nothing but darkness and despair.  Different people have different motivations.  Mine and I believe Moto's motivations are we want to see things improved, especially when things cause stress." CreationDate="2018-04-13T10:05:10.370" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15105" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="Because it requires either 5 people or a mod to close a question, and only one person can get the bounty, I don't think it will be that easy to abuse.  The con may be that people may be reluctant to edit a still open question in hopes they can do it after it is on hold for a bounty." CreationDate="2018-04-13T12:28:52.017" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15106" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I know what you are saying re: people not editing open questions but in my (anecdotal) experience people aren't really editing them now anyway and the VTCs tend to come thick and fast in any case." CreationDate="2018-04-13T13:08:53.760" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="15107" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu - I still think that despite that con this is a superb Idea" CreationDate="2018-04-13T13:12:47.543" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15108" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu Hard to say how much of it is confirmation bias, personal opinion, and so on. We *do* get a low of low-effort or unanswerable posts. For a lot of the closed posts there's little point in salvaging them since the general question they might contain deep down has usually already been asked before, often several times. You'd have to start tracking stats on closures beyond what we can do right now." CreationDate="2018-04-13T14:36:41.153" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15109" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal true (while I do think we are a bit trigger-happy on declaring something to be a duplicate here that's a can of worms I have no intention of opening here), some analysis of the closures would be a good place to start to see if this issue is as prevalent as I think it is. Unfortunately I don't have access to site analytics yet (still 1.2k rep to go!) but when I do I might have a sit down one rainy Sunday and see what I can find out." CreationDate="2018-04-13T14:57:42.527" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="15110" PostId="5136" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I completely agree with moto's and your sentiments. However, I don't run the show. The know-it-alls at SE have decided ages ago that the current incentives for editing are sufficient, and they see no incentive for providing further incentives. Take a look at [Adding incentive for editing](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/285/202356) and [Let me reward a good edit on my question/answer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/36575/202356). Since I love you guys, I thought I should spare you the pain, but oh well, whatever floats your boat." CreationDate="2018-04-13T16:53:09.920" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15111" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu Don't get your hopes up, the built-in site analytics aren't much use. If you really want to run some kind of analytics on our closures you could try building SQL queries in the Data Explorer but it's not the easiest approach." CreationDate="2018-04-13T20:48:16.357" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15112" PostId="5136" Score="2" Text="Apart from the above issue related to SE not giving a damn about this request, there is one other problem. Writing good questions is the primary responsibility of the user asking the question, and we should keep it that way. We don't want to create a &quot;culture&quot; where editing questions into good shape is seen as a &quot;community service&quot;, which leads to people throwing even more garbage across the wall for the community to clean up. We certainly want to help people by editing their posts but let's be wary of the law of unintended consequences, and not overdo it." CreationDate="2018-04-15T18:06:00.013" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15113" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan While I agree with you that in theory it is the responsibility of users to write good questions TWP isn't the easiest site to do that for for the inexperienced and what happens in practice is that users get their questions closed, never get the help they need  and (presumably) don't return - as ably described by Monica [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5085/lets-try-to-work-with-users-before-chasing-them-off). I agree there has to be a balance between expecting the user to put some effort in and spoon-feeding them but IMO we are too far on the harsh side" CreationDate="2018-04-16T09:48:27.120" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="15114" PostId="5136" Score="1" Text="@motosubatsu I am all in favour of being less harsh and lowering the bar a bit for relatively new users. However, my only concern is with making the editing some kind of a &quot;talent show&quot;. We should certainly keep making edits to improve posts and not chase users with torches and pitchforks, but going to the opposite extreme where we start calling out close voters with &quot;if the question is poorly written, why don't you just start a bounty to improve it&quot; will do more harm than good." CreationDate="2018-04-16T11:43:47.493" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15115" PostId="5136" Score="0" Text="With the current system, we already see a fair amount of &quot;holier than thou&quot; attitude when it comes to close votes, as if there is some sort of an obligation on the close voters to improve other people's posts. Introducing bounties for it could make the holier even more holier." CreationDate="2018-04-16T11:46:27.480" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15095" PostId="5137" Score="0" Text="If you would care to discuss my cynicism I would love to Chat over at the Water Cooler." CreationDate="2018-04-12T18:35:25.147" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15121" PostId="5140" Score="0" Text="I like the first point. In fact, I'd probably modify the proposal to **only limit to edit that has been made**. This is more manageable and will (hopefully) push anyone to improve any questions as best as they can, instead of playing a waiting game." CreationDate="2018-04-17T12:33:05.060" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="15116" PostId="5142" Score="0" Text="As for your first two points, that's part of why I suggested not limiting edit bounties to closed questions. That way someone can award a bounty on an edit that has already occurred, and users won't necessarily wait around until a question closes to edit it. The biggest downside I see is that this could lead to edit wars or unnecessary edits from people who are fighting over a bounty." CreationDate="2018-04-17T12:10:50.097" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15117" PostId="5142" Score="0" Text="As for your third point, if people are watching the featured list to see which questions to edit, isn't that the whole point?" CreationDate="2018-04-17T12:12:12.367" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15120" PostId="5142" Score="0" Text="@DavidK FWIW, the adjustments on your answer is fair, I don't have a problem with that. Regarding the &quot;featured&quot; tab, the difference between normal bounty and edit-improvement bounty is, the latter is more predictable: &quot;Salvageable question but closed? Probably someone will put a bounty on it!&quot; then delaying to salvage it. Compared to normal bounty where I can't ever guess when/if a post will get bounties." CreationDate="2018-04-17T12:30:32.433" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="15118" PostId="5143" Score="2" Text="I think we overuse &quot;HR is not your friend&quot; on this site. HR is there to protect the interests of the company, which usually means trying to prevent a lawsuit. When a manager is behaving unprofessionally, that often means stopping the bad behavior from happening again. Sometimes it means mediation and sweeping it under the rug. With a good HR person, this almost never means punishing the employee, as that could very easily result in a lawsuit." CreationDate="2018-04-17T12:18:37.480" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15119" PostId="5143" Score="0" Text="I do agree, I've never had such an issue with HR where they've been causing me issues. However I often hear stories from across the pond in the US where HR really aren't there for the employee and will only do the company's will. I don't have any personal experience of the US system, just the stories I hear to go on sadly." CreationDate="2018-04-17T12:25:25.403" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="15122" PostId="5143" Score="1" Text="@Draken One factor is that the EU tends to have much better employee protection laws meaning that it's a lot more typical for HR interests (protecting the company) and those of the employee to align. Like all platitudes, &quot;HR is not your friend&quot; lacks nuance." CreationDate="2018-04-17T14:22:30.460" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15132" PostId="5143" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal &quot;nuanced&quot; is far more overused than &quot;HR is not your friend&quot;.  The phrase only means **EXACTLY** what it says.  HR is not your friend.  Going into HR and assuming that they are, by default going to take **YOUR SIDE**(tm) is a very brave assumption indeed." CreationDate="2018-04-18T22:58:40.913" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15133" PostId="5143" Score="1" Text="@RichardU Used more often sure, but hardly overused these days. And how does that final statement relate in any way to what I said? I'm pointing out that this turn of phrase, like all instances of black-and-white-thinking, cannot and should not be considered absolute." CreationDate="2018-04-19T07:25:40.447" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15135" PostId="5143" Score="2" Text="@Lilienthal, no, &quot;HR IS YOUR ENEMY&quot; would be black and white.  &quot;HR S NOT YOUR FRIEND&quot; is more.... dare I say it.... nuanced?" CreationDate="2018-04-19T23:50:33.927" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15131" PostId="5145" Score="3" Text="I am more on the side of burning down the first post (delete it) and writing a new one more clearly. It is really difficult to &quot;bring back a Q from the -3 zone&quot;, even though you do all the best edits in the world, there is few chances it will reach positive score and audience. This affects OP as he/she will not be able to obtain as great answer as it could if the post had a good start. First impressions matter." CreationDate="2018-04-18T22:49:27.153" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15123" PostId="5147" Score="0" Text="+1 Despite my earlier answer, I don't honestly think the capability will ever be implemented. I do like the idea of having an [meta-tag:edit-request] tag, particularly since that's something we can do all on our own." CreationDate="2018-04-18T15:30:00.820" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15129" PostId="5147" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Your answer is a good one as well, and I am sure if SE were still a relatively new site, they would have considered some of those ideas. Unfortunately though, this requires a significant &quot;refactoring&quot; in the SE policy (and not just in the code). Moreover, I am wary of introducing &quot;special cases&quot; in rules, which opens up a Pandora's box of &quot;me too&quot; requests (&quot;Why not bounty for reopen votes?&quot; for example). I also find the &quot;protected&quot; questions jarring in that regard, as it essentially implies, &quot;we trust you to answer properly, except in this one specific case, where we don't&quot;." CreationDate="2018-04-18T16:37:00.207" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15124" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="Thanks, downvoter " CreationDate="2018-04-18T15:34:03.300" UserId="82537" />
  <row Id="15125" PostId="5148" Score="2" Text="Admissions is definitely off-topic here, hiring practices may be on-topic depending on what exactly you mean by that. (Not the downvoter, by the way.)" CreationDate="2018-04-18T15:38:02.050" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15127" PostId="5148" Score="2" Text="And also not your down-voter, but keep in mind that [votes in Meta work differently](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/whats-meta). They indicate agreement or disagreement, not just quality of the question." CreationDate="2018-04-18T15:45:27.157" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15128" PostId="5148" Score="0" Text="@DavidK ah, I see.  Ok, cool.  I'll post at Academia then :) I upvoted your comments, as well as Masked Man's comments :)" CreationDate="2018-04-18T15:48:29.943" UserId="82537" />
  <row Id="15130" PostId="5148" Score="1" Text="@D.Hutchinson I moved my comment to an answer, since that's really what it was." CreationDate="2018-04-18T16:43:45.993" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15137" PostId="5152" Score="0" Text="I appreciate this perspective.  I think we all are looking to preserve the best question, and I hadn't thought about this consideration before now.  Good point!" CreationDate="2018-04-20T13:17:03.187" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15138" PostId="5152" Score="0" Text="+1 But I'd replace the final paragraph with &quot;close the first post as a duplicate of the second post&quot;." CreationDate="2018-04-20T15:05:16.163" UserId="33677" />
  <row Id="15139" PostId="5152" Score="0" Text="@Lumberjack I'd have to go look to test this. If you close &quot;A&quot; as a duplicate of &quot;B&quot; is there any evidence of that if you're looking at &quot;B?&quot; Or just if you look at &quot;A?&quot; If A is the new post, and B is the older one closed as a duplicate, I think the people wanting to preserve edit history would want you to know that B exists when you're looking at A." CreationDate="2018-04-20T16:01:55.103" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15148" PostId="5152" Score="0" Text="@dwizum yes there is :) they show up in the linked questions. See https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/111/how-do-i-coordinate-the-process-of-pursuing-multiple-job-opportunities-at-the-sa for a random example" CreationDate="2018-04-23T12:21:00.263" UserId="44419" />
  <row Id="15140" PostId="5153" Score="1" Text="Have in mind that this was also a HNQ, where mountains of comments can stack. In general, comments in those cases tend to become tangential to the issue/question. Chat is better place for such comments." CreationDate="2018-04-20T20:24:37.837" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15141" PostId="5153" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure a support question about how the software works should be marked as a dupe of a discussion question about policy." CreationDate="2018-04-20T22:33:54.280" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15142" PostId="5153" Score="2" Text="@Monica However, enderland's answer there explains the issue adequately." CreationDate="2018-04-21T03:02:28.133" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15147" PostId="5154" Score="0" Text="I understand that things slip through, and it make sense to Move All instead of X+10 individual, was curious and figured that a more general question to clarify my assumption might be useful." CreationDate="2018-04-23T02:41:46.797" UserId="302" />
  <row Id="15145" PostId="5155" Score="5" Text="[Help center](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/deleted-questions) actually has already explained this in detail..." CreationDate="2018-04-21T20:28:32.337" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="15149" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="as far as I can tell your edit invalidated [the answer](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/108179/168) that was posted against the original question revision" CreationDate="2018-04-23T16:41:39.023" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15150" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="@gnat I saw that answer, but what question was that trying to answer? I read that 4 times, and cannot see any relevance to the original question." CreationDate="2018-04-23T16:43:51.683" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15151" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="well upon re-checking old revision, you definitely have a point here. Though the prior revision of the question was rather vague which kind of obscured that answer barely relates if at all, while clarified question makes discrepancy very prominent and possibly confusing to readers. I would consider commenting the answer and suggesting them to adjust to changes made to the question" CreationDate="2018-04-23T16:51:46.447" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15152" PostId="5158" Score="1" Text="I cast another undelete vote and just now the final reopen vote (5/5)." CreationDate="2018-04-23T18:20:05.807" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="15153" PostId="5158" Score="0" Text="@enderland what's your take on the answer invalidated by the question edit? (this is briefly discussed above)" CreationDate="2018-04-23T19:07:40.190" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15155" PostId="5158" Score="1" Text="FWIW, *my* take on that is since the &quot;answer&quot; wasn't valid to the original version, it cannot be invalidated, by definition. If someone posts an irrelevant &quot;answer&quot; when the question is unclear *instead of first getting the question fixed*, then they should not be &quot;eligible&quot; for the &quot;edit invalidation protection&quot; (if you will)." CreationDate="2018-04-24T03:25:42.663" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15156" PostId="5160" Score="18" Text="Profanity has been part of IT for as long as there has been IT, the old programmer's joke is:  &quot;The one language understood by all programmers is profanity&quot;.  It's also why we're usually set apart from the rest of the business." CreationDate="2018-04-24T12:45:26.337" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15157" PostId="5160" Score="0" Text="I have cast the third reopen vote. However, I think the question could do with an edit to include your &quot;general&quot; version that concerns someone trying to change the company culture. The question as it stands is still valid IMHO, but it seems to be attracting close votes (and will probably lead to a reopen/close tennis match soon) because it seems restricted to a specific issue of profanity." CreationDate="2018-04-24T13:06:14.243" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15158" PostId="5160" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Good point. It's still about profanity, but I've edited it so that it's about convincing the employee to stop trying to change things, rather than convincing them to accept profanity (which is different IMO)." CreationDate="2018-04-24T13:18:38.860" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15159" PostId="5160" Score="0" Text="The question isn’t about company policy. It’s about changing the attitide of a single employee and there are a million other questions with this same theme. VTRO." CreationDate="2018-04-24T14:30:11.147" UserId="73580" />
  <row Id="15160" PostId="5160" Score="0" Text="Final reopen cast." CreationDate="2018-04-24T16:42:45.600" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15161" PostId="5160" Score="0" Text="Thank you guys for the edits. It makes the question so much more clearer now." CreationDate="2018-04-24T21:30:52.737" UserId="7978" />
  <row Id="15163" PostId="5160" Score="1" Text="@RichardU Except when consulting (most of my IT experience). The customer can say what they want. The consultant has to keep it clean (or risk losing the customer)." CreationDate="2018-04-25T14:22:16.793" UserId="35944" />
  <row Id="15164" PostId="5160" Score="0" Text="@ToddWilcox yep.  Consultants are held to a higher standard" CreationDate="2018-04-25T15:34:35.683" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15165" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="[Should one advise on off-topic questions?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/276637/839601)" CreationDate="2018-04-26T06:46:19.733" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15166" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="Thanks @gnat.  That is certainly relevant, although it seems contrary to the spirit of the site.  Obviously I disagree, and I think that answer is based on an incorrect assumption.  Namely, &quot;It is even dangerous to say: go here, Google for that, because next time, they will do the exact same and eventually get what they want.&quot;  I have not seen this come to fruition here at the Workplace.  Not for the question I answered yesterday, and not in general." CreationDate="2018-04-26T12:25:33.903" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15167" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="helping people as a spirit of the site is sometimes [considered backwards...](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/255019/839601)" CreationDate="2018-04-26T12:35:17.970" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15233" PostId="5162" Score="0" Text="@gnat The Workplace is not Stack Overflow. Specifically, this site doesn't suffer from the hordes of help vampires in the same way that Stack Overflow does. Advice from Stack Overflow typically translates poorly to many other sites (including this one)." CreationDate="2018-05-15T02:21:30.667" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="15175" PostId="5163" Score="8" Text="Hmm. Usually saying that the answer is horrible is not considered a personal attack. It's a comment on the *answer* rather than the *answerer*." CreationDate="2018-04-30T00:05:21.320" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="15181" PostId="5163" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Good to see you active sir!" CreationDate="2018-04-30T11:28:17.993" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15182" PostId="5163" Score="2" Text="@MisterPositive - thanks! Not really very active these days, just a few minutes here and there for now." CreationDate="2018-04-30T12:29:46.380" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="15170" PostId="5165" Score="0" Text="*Attack the idea, not the person* -- This is the crux of it" CreationDate="2018-04-28T17:49:45.687" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15171" PostId="5167" Score="1" Text="I appreciate the perspective. Having never been on HNQ, the attention on my question is uncomfortable even if appreciated." CreationDate="2018-04-29T17:53:34.873" UserId="44698" />
  <row Id="15200" PostId="5167" Score="1" Text="For what it's worth, Interpersonal Skills.SE [has suggested](https://interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2884/2309) that the association bonus not be included for the purposes of the &quot;Comment Everywhere&quot; privilege, which would hopefully decrease the number of comments added to Hot Network Questions by excluding those that aren't already active on the site." CreationDate="2018-05-04T17:03:57.230" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="15203" PostId="5167" Score="0" Text="@Thunderforge I've been wanting/suggesting that for _years_..." CreationDate="2018-05-05T13:18:59.460" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="15205" PostId="5167" Score="0" Text="@ElysianFields Well, other people are at least suggesting it now too, so it's no longer just you (and at a site that has that problem even worse than Workplace.SE). Hopefully that means it's gaining traction." CreationDate="2018-05-06T02:23:41.473" UserId="8233" />
  <row Id="15172" PostId="5168" Score="0" Text="Echoing my sentiment from a comment on another answer, I appreciate the perspective, and don’t feel pressured to respond to every comment and answer. Thank you" CreationDate="2018-04-29T18:05:51.673" UserId="44698" />
  <row Id="15180" PostId="5169" Score="0" Text="At the end of the day, this answer is also true." CreationDate="2018-04-30T11:23:30.993" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15184" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="I would appreciate the people who are down voting to at least let me know why they downvoted?" CreationDate="2018-05-02T14:10:04.107" UserId="86134" />
  <row Id="15185" PostId="5174" Score="2" Text="Responding to your boss with profanity would be &quot;appropriate&quot; and &quot;at least somewhat right&quot;? You mean like this - Boss: &quot;Good job!&quot; You: &quot;F*** you!&quot; OK, try that at your workplace and tell us how it goes." CreationDate="2018-05-02T14:12:10.697" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15186" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan A good example might be sending a thumbs up emoji on its own. Am I a better or worse person for sending that over thank you? vs the many other ways I could respond. This is just so subjective to where you work and who you work with.." CreationDate="2018-05-02T14:13:40.417" UserId="86134" />
  <row Id="15187" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="@lix I removed some code markup from your question, which we don't use on this site. Please see [this Meta](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3942/16983) for info on why. Also, remember that [voting is different in Meta](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/whats-meta) and is mainly used to express agreement or disagreement." CreationDate="2018-05-02T14:14:52.833" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15188" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Thank you for the formatting, I also know about meta but it's appreciated anyways." CreationDate="2018-05-02T14:16:44.083" UserId="86134" />
  <row Id="15189" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="So the subjective answer could be &quot;thank them as appropriate in your company culture&quot;. That is still an answer. In the end, nearly every question we answer is opinion based. Law based questions and answers are out of scope. Science based answers are rare on Workplace.SE. Sorry, but either something is regulated by law or it is culture/tradition/colloquial/a guideline with or without scientific background which in the end boils down to &quot;heavily affected by the opinions and experiences of everyone involved&quot;." CreationDate="2018-05-02T14:19:53.613" UserId="59830" />
  <row Id="15190" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="@skymningen Your completely right about it being opionated but when a question's answer boils down to two single words 'thank you' I think that's when it needs to be closed and used to duplicate other low quality posts. These forms of questions just cause people to drop all over them for free rep and really don't help future visitors." CreationDate="2018-05-02T14:21:43.213" UserId="86134" />
  <row Id="15191" PostId="5174" Score="1" Text="@lix &quot;Any positive response will do&quot; would be an answer in that case. The original version of the question specifically asked if thank you would be a good response, and the answers addressed that. I don't see any reason to close the question just because the first version wasn't the best." CreationDate="2018-05-02T14:22:03.217" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15192" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Then surely you'd agree that the post is low quality and should be closed and used to mark duplicates in the future if that's true, but instead it's being pushed as a legitimate question." CreationDate="2018-05-02T14:26:07.263" UserId="86134" />
  <row Id="15193" PostId="5174" Score="0" Text="@lix I don't think the post is &quot;low quality&quot;, and we are not &quot;pushing&quot; any questions here. The question concerns a specific workplace scenario and it is useful to know how to deal with it. Just because the answer is &quot;obvious&quot; to you doesn't mean the question is low quality." CreationDate="2018-05-02T14:30:07.647" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15194" PostId="5174" Score="1" Text="See also &quot;[No such thing as a stupid question](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3105/no-such-thing-as-a-stupid-question)&quot; and &quot;[Should we have a “too trivial” close reason?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4031/should-we-have-a-too-trivial-close-reason)&quot;" CreationDate="2018-05-02T15:24:13.943" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15195" PostId="5175" Score="0" Text="Thank you for taking the time to bring me up to speed, this actually does answer a lot of my concerns. Is there any relevant documentation for not only acceptable topics but topic quality before closure? or is this just based on how the community see it?" CreationDate="2018-05-02T17:46:32.487" UserId="86134" />
  <row Id="15199" PostId="5175" Score="1" Text="@lix If you haven't already, I recommend taking a look through our [tour] and [help] - they're a good place to get started. There's also a lot of information on Meta, in particular those questions with the [meta-tag:faq] tag. If you want to ask a question but aren't sure if it's a good fit here, then you can ask about it on Meta too. Finally, if you want any clarification on topics, want to talk about a specific question, or just want to chat about anything (on topic or not), there are often people hanging out in The Water Cooler in [chat]. Hope this helps!" CreationDate="2018-05-02T18:29:34.780" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15196" PostId="5176" Score="0" Text="I have to make a very literal statement or my point about the post quality wouldn't be stark enough, if the communtiy as a whole disagree, fine that's what meta is for I suppose and I'll just have to go back and reflect / learn from this. Thanks for the response." CreationDate="2018-05-02T17:47:49.280" UserId="86134" />
  <row Id="15197" PostId="5176" Score="0" Text="@lix In addition to what Jeff says in this answer, rep farming is not really a &quot;thing&quot; here. It is probably a thing on Stack Overflow because a lot of people like to brag in real life (in interviews too) about their imaginary internet points. However, it would be highly unusual for anyone to brag about their Workplace SE internet points, so rep farming is not worth the effort anyway. Moreover, in this particular case, Joe (the user with the top voted answer) would be the last person who needs internet points. Actually just go through the links on his profile page, you will see why." CreationDate="2018-05-02T18:07:19.173" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15198" PostId="5176" Score="0" Text="It's not Joe I'm worried about, I can see he's highly rated and doesn't really need the points. It's just the further swam of posts that don't really bring anything new to the table and are considerably low effort looking for points. It just makes any thread you look at feel lesser quality and something future users wont want to read." CreationDate="2018-05-02T18:10:52.497" UserId="86134" />
  <row Id="15202" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="Who's leaving?." CreationDate="2018-05-04T22:37:06.760" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="15207" PostId="5177" Score="3" Text="@JimG. The moderator formerly known as Enderland." CreationDate="2018-05-07T17:04:21.617" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15515" PostId="5177" Score="1" Text="Sorry you did not get elected." CreationDate="2018-05-30T14:11:13.953" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15517" PostId="5177" Score="1" Text="@paparazzo Thanks, its the first time I have ran for something like this.  I learned a lot, especially the lesson *you have more enemies than you think* and *the internet remembers*." CreationDate="2018-05-30T14:45:06.287" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15518" PostId="5177" Score="2" Text="@MisterPositive I felt like some of your comments were misinterpreted.  Sites have different personalities we got the mods that match the personality of the site.  I felt like you would have mover the site in a direction I think it should go.  You notice I did not run as I have said things that have rubbed people wrong." CreationDate="2018-05-30T14:53:50.337" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15519" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@paparazzo not to go to far with this here, but some of the blame falls squarely on me.  Part of it was, well, what it was." CreationDate="2018-05-30T14:56:13.307" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15522" PostId="5177" Score="0" Text="@Neo nah, part of it was people being petty.  These people won't put themselves up for examination, but the salivate at the prospect of lining up to attack when the opportunity presents itself." CreationDate="2018-05-31T18:32:38.253" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15208" PostId="5178" Score="2" Text="[Question Collection](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5181/2018-moderator-election-qa-question-collection) has begun" CreationDate="2018-05-07T22:04:18.610" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15210" PostId="5179" Score="2" Text="It seems that both protecting and unprotecting a question is something that should be automated. It seems like a waste of time to go around reviewing protected questions for the purposes of unprotecting them." CreationDate="2018-05-08T10:34:42.867" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15211" PostId="5179" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling couldnt agree more with you. Something like a script that unprotects those posts that are older than X, or haven't received answers in Y time." CreationDate="2018-05-08T15:53:58.123" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15245" PostId="5179" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling and DarkCygnus, agreed that unprotection should be automatic. Maybe something should be proposed at Meta to have them unprotected after a certain amount of time, or when it drops below a certain activity level?" CreationDate="2018-05-15T12:56:01.597" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15247" PostId="5179" Score="1" Text="There may be 2 categories of questions that require protection - ones that get a lot of attention temporarily, such as Hot Network Questions, and ones that constantly get attention, such as a question that many people search for - those may need to be treated differently. The latter might need to remain protected indefinitely if it's drawing a constant stream of low-quality answers. @DavidK" CreationDate="2018-05-15T13:03:19.217" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15204" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="I did some digging but didn't find if unprotecting bumps posts. One would assume it doesn't, otherwise the act of unprotecting could be dangerous for the post (attracting more noise)... I'll ask in MSE if further searching gives no result." CreationDate="2018-05-05T16:51:48.957" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15206" PostId="5180" Score="0" Text="Seems like unprotecting doesnt bump: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/309910/332286 thus I suppose we can proceed :)" CreationDate="2018-05-06T17:57:08.260" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15370" PostId="5181" Score="2" Text="I'm voting to close this question because the questionnaire is live and no further questions can be considered. However, issues concerning the community can be posted as separate meta questions and handled independent of the moderator election." CreationDate="2018-05-20T10:26:55.903" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15227" PostId="5184" Score="2" Text="Could you be more specific? I think is needed. It's like asking &quot;what do you think about questions&quot; or &quot;what do you think about Workplace?:" CreationDate="2018-05-11T18:32:04.407" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="15229" PostId="5184" Score="0" Text="@ChrisE ... or [What do you think about downvote stalking?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5197/3192) :)" CreationDate="2018-05-12T05:15:02.577" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15232" PostId="5184" Score="0" Text="@ChrisE I intentionally meant this to be vague to see what _actual_ thoughts people would have." CreationDate="2018-05-13T20:43:15.600" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="15219" PostId="5186" Score="7" Text="They should try stackoverflow first, then come to us.  ;-)" CreationDate="2018-05-10T13:52:01.107" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15221" PostId="5186" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive sir, it is not yet time for candidates to start answering the questions. ;)" CreationDate="2018-05-11T01:29:05.040" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15269" PostId="5186" Score="0" Text="To me this site is mellow compared to some others.  IMHO cooking is hostile and much of it comes from moderators.   And heavy handed moderation." CreationDate="2018-05-15T17:33:17.537" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15230" PostId="5188" Score="1" Text="Similar: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5195/325 .  Maybe you two could get together and merge these?  (I prefer the other formation, but I voted on this one before that one came along and my vote is locked now.)" CreationDate="2018-05-13T03:43:55.273" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15231" PostId="5188" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio I agree. Richard's question is closer to what I meant to ask. [A certain discussion](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4943/3192) from about 6 months ago left an impression on me (which just amplified what was already a pet peeve of mine before then). I guess that's why I went with this choice of words. I will think about how we can merge these two together. It is also fine with me to drop this altogether and go with Richard's question." CreationDate="2018-05-13T03:51:23.820" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15265" PostId="5190" Score="0" Text="I don't see the harm in just marking a duplicate." CreationDate="2018-05-15T17:17:45.993" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15267" PostId="5190" Score="0" Text="@paparazzo There is no real harm, but after a bunch of those won't there be some un-necessary clutter?" CreationDate="2018-05-15T17:24:54.137" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15268" PostId="5190" Score="1" Text="For sure I don't want to delete and give them a negative experience. It does provide a additional search path.  If you have an answer great." CreationDate="2018-05-15T17:28:23.510" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15253" PostId="5191" Score="0" Text="I think the community (not moderators) should do that.  You can still use your delete vote as a regular user but I would not like moderators to preemptive delete unless the question has some serious problems." CreationDate="2018-05-15T16:51:37.603" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15256" PostId="5191" Score="0" Text="@paparazzo Agreed." CreationDate="2018-05-15T16:54:16.133" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15217" PostId="5193" Score="0" Text="No, we don't.  For an emergency we should know to call 911, or whatever emergency response number for your area.  A question about how to deal with such a horrific site on the way to work could be on topic...potentially." CreationDate="2018-05-10T13:48:07.287" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15220" PostId="5193" Score="0" Text="cross-site duplicate: [Under what circumstances may I add “urgent” or other similar phrases to my question, in order to obtain faster answers?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/326569/839601)" CreationDate="2018-05-10T17:29:48.190" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15226" PostId="5193" Score="1" Text="I do think those duplicates and the answers below address my original question. As I've been thinking about this I think I have a broader, related question but I'm not quite sure how to phrase it yet so I'll post once I've thought it over. Thanks everyone." CreationDate="2018-05-11T15:26:01.253" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15216" PostId="5194" Score="0" Text="Excellent way to make the point good sir." CreationDate="2018-05-10T13:47:16.190" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15224" PostId="5196" Score="0" Text="This is about what I was looking for, thanks. I do have a broader question in mind as well so I'm going to edit my original question appropriately." CreationDate="2018-05-11T14:25:14.160" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15225" PostId="5196" Score="1" Text="*If your kitten is trapped in a drain pipe, you won't write an email to the Emergency Services, you would make a phone call* -- Genius." CreationDate="2018-05-11T14:25:41.333" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15250" PostId="5202" Score="0" Text="Thanks for sharing. I was also wondering how the score is generated. but can someone edit that query? It bugs me that 'Civic Duty' isn't on a new line in the list of mod badges!" CreationDate="2018-05-15T14:52:35.387" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15251" PostId="5202" Score="0" Text="@dwizum SEDE queries on SEDE behave differently from posts on Q&amp;A sites.  I think if you edit it you get your own copy.  (It'll be linked on your profile there.)  I don't know if anybody other than the author can make direct edits." CreationDate="2018-05-15T15:47:06.927" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15301" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="&quot;I believe that new users should be guided while the question is still open.&quot; (and also from your answer to question 10) - so you want even poor questions to be kept open and postpone putting them *on hold* (until it's maybe clear that they are unsalvageable)? Even if the OP is willing, improving their question and guiding them through it, can take quite some time (hours, maybe even days). During this time frame, the still poor question can receive answers (and there's no shortage of FGITWs) - how do you deal with that problem (e. g. those answers being invalidated by later edits)?" CreationDate="2018-05-17T12:27:11.880" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15303" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted You raise a good point here.  What I'm trying to balance here is questions being shut down very quickly and tend to be abandoned soon afterwards.  Answers being invalidated by additional information happens a fair bit, even with questions that look ok.  Answerers are free to amend their answers accordingly, delete them, or downvote answers that aren't a good fit for the question.  Personally, I don't feel comfortable with immediately closing a question that's missing a few details.  The &quot;on hold&quot; thing can be misunderstood by new users as &quot;this question isn't good enough for us&quot;." CreationDate="2018-05-17T12:39:42.177" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15304" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="I understand that it's frustrating when your question is put *on hold* quickly, but there are two remedies: 1) Communication, i. e. explain to them what it means, why it's being done and how they can get it reopened; 2) As a **mod**, you have greater power to ensure that it's being reopened, once it's fit for TWP. Otherwise, you may have a large number of unfitting, maybe even off-putting answers (users jumping to conclusions - not so uncommon...). The former make the question less suitable for being a resource of info, the latter may stress out the OP. What's your opinion on that?" CreationDate="2018-05-17T12:56:15.477" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15305" PostId="5204" Score="1" Text="It's a question of balance.  Really bad questions quickly gain downvotes and close votes.  Those that are more ambiguous can (I believe) cope with a slower close - I don't feel that they attract a large number of invalid answers.  As a moderator, I can't influence the speed at which a question is closed (unless I use the hammer).  I can however, participate in improving a question before it's closed.  I just have a feeling that a user is more engaged with their question while it's open rather than after it's closed.  Having a door closed in your face doesn't exactly engender friendliness." CreationDate="2018-05-17T13:08:45.580" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15390" PostId="5204" Score="1" Text="Solid answers to the questions, so you've got my vote; however, I don't feel you really answered number 9 _How do we motivate new users to actually search for an existing answer to their questions?_" CreationDate="2018-05-21T00:23:55.873" UserId="39976" />
  <row Id="15392" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="@Tas Many thanks for the support, and the feedback.  I've gone back and edited the answer to question 9.  You're right, I should have done better with that one." CreationDate="2018-05-21T06:23:39.640" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15395" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="Regarding question 8: If you become a mod, how will you deal with comments? Can you please expand on that? For now, it reads like you only stated your opinion on comments in general." CreationDate="2018-05-21T13:45:22.323" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15396" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted Thank you for the feedback.  I have extended my answer on this question." CreationDate="2018-05-21T13:54:58.703" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15431" PostId="5204" Score="2" Text="I notice you tend to delete your answers when you get a down vote." CreationDate="2018-05-22T11:15:35.333" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15432" PostId="5204" Score="1" Text="@paparazzo Yes.  It's self censorship.  If there's a better answer than mine, and/or a comment that points out that my answer is sub-standard, I'll remove the answer.  I'm less concerned about my own reputation than a question having good quality answers.  Sometimes my own answers are proven to be lower quality than is desired.  I'm not going to hide from that." CreationDate="2018-05-22T11:31:13.267" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15436" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="@snow As I see it, unless you agree that it's a horrible answer, it should be left up.  It's your choice, of course, but it gives another perspective that may be helpful, especially since the OP would be reading all the answers. In truth, the OP may actually develop his own blended solution that includes part of your reasoning, even if you're -1 or -2 on the answer. Honestly, I think that's one reason why it takes 5 downvotes to equal one upvote. I think a strength of the SE is that different perspectives are all laid bare to see." CreationDate="2018-05-22T14:14:17.757" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="15437" PostId="5204" Score="0" Text="@ChrisE Yes, you're right.  I'll think more thoughtfully in future.  Sometimes I do see that my answer isn't as full as it could be or is fully appropriate to the question being asked." CreationDate="2018-05-22T14:22:14.103" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15290" PostId="5205" Score="0" Text="There is a lot of thoughtful commentary here.  Kudos.  I don't have any questions right now, but I saw that you haven't gotten any comments either here or on your nomination and I didn't want you to think you were being ignored." CreationDate="2018-05-17T02:28:22.843" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15294" PostId="5205" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Thanks! And if anything comes to mind that you'd like to know then ask me here or track me down in chat" CreationDate="2018-05-17T07:32:22.263" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="15339" PostId="5205" Score="1" Text="&quot;I have no problem with lighthearted or chatty comments (to an extent) as I feel they can add a bit of character to the site&quot; So think of an example of such a comment and then imagine a *no longer needed* flag (maybe more) - what would you do, as a moderator?" CreationDate="2018-05-18T17:48:13.770" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15340" PostId="5205" Score="0" Text="@annedaunted I would examine each case in context but if  the comment literally served no other purpose than to be chatty or lighthearted then I would probably uphold the flag, as a moderator I'd be there to uphold the community's ideals and those of SE itself first over my own." CreationDate="2018-05-18T18:23:38.007" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="15386" PostId="5205" Score="1" Text="&quot;but rather they forget that askers are real people with feelings and that they probably have a not insignificant amount of those feelings invested in the question they are asking.&quot; Keeping this in mind, what about this [answer](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/107271/75187), especially the last paragraph. Were the feelings of the asker taken into account? Maybe re-read the question." CreationDate="2018-05-20T18:06:00.507" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15393" PostId="5205" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted They were, the &quot;lose the attitude&quot; statement was perhaps a bit.. blunt. But otherwise the paragraph was largely constructive advice to *help* the OP, not to make them feel bad. I'm not going to claim I always judge my tone perfectly but then no-one does but I feel the answer is supportive of the OP and their concerns even if some of my advice may not have been what they wanted to hear." CreationDate="2018-05-21T10:03:07.990" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="15255" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="&quot;I will enforce that comments are used for their intended purposed, to make the question better.&quot; What is your stance on *Answers in Comments*?" CreationDate="2018-05-15T16:53:51.773" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15257" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted Most of the time answers are answers, and comments are comments.  On rare occasion, I have seen information that is relevant and helpful to the **user/asker** presented in a comment that is not a direct answer.  I don't have an issue with this as it is so rare." CreationDate="2018-05-15T16:57:33.723" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15262" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="Imagine I wrote an answer that isn't well-received by the community (i. e. downvotes (but it doesn't violate the guidelines)), and so I decide to delete it and post it as a comment below the question instead. How would you handle it, if someone flagged that *Answer in a Comment* (e. g. as *no longer needed*)?" CreationDate="2018-05-15T17:08:45.997" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15277" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="@AnneDaunted After further review, in the situation you described I would treat it as an answer posted in a comment, as the hint text says.  On occasion, users will post helpful comments that are not answers, but are helpful to the user.  In the **spirit of helping the user**, I would allow that in some rare cases." CreationDate="2018-05-16T12:26:08.773" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15291" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="So, in a nutshell, you agree with the [TWP rules](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment) that can be found on the privileges page? What you call &quot;helpful comments that are not answers&quot; could be regarded as &quot;relevant but **minor or transient information**&quot; and was not what I was asking about." CreationDate="2018-05-17T06:11:54.010" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15299" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="Thanks, your position has become clear now." CreationDate="2018-05-17T11:33:25.777" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15329" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="You voted to hold this question: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/112459/ It appears to be a valid and useful question to me. It already has one useful answer in the comments. Can you explain why you voted to hold it? Given you answers above, what have you done to help the new user improve the question?" CreationDate="2018-05-18T14:12:07.410" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15330" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="@gwp As the question is now, it is too broad.  I would refer to this *If you ask a vague question, you’ll get a vague answer. But if you give us details and context, we can provide a useful answer.* from https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/how-to-ask as to why its too broad.  If I get time, I will attempt to edit.  We had a production release this week in my real job, and I haven't had a ton of spare time." CreationDate="2018-05-18T14:20:27.213" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15331" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="@Mister Positive, Your approach to the question and to my question here to be what turns off new users. You had time to vote hold, but no time to help the user. To my question you just cut and pasted from a rule book instead of giving me you personal opinion. I think that this question could have some very good answers, even if you think they may be vague." CreationDate="2018-05-18T14:31:12.920" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15333" PostId="5206" Score="2" Text="@gwp Real life happens, that is why its up to the **community** to work together to make questions suitable to garner useful answers.  The rule book is there for a reason, its to assist in making sure we keep the clutter to a minimum.  Perhaps that question can be saved, I will give it a shot when I can." CreationDate="2018-05-18T14:39:21.190" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15335" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="@Mister Positive Your edits do improve the question however they don't appear to make the question less broad. That was the reason stated for putting the question on hold. All your edits improve the language used. It appears that your real objection is to poor English used. Your answer above about bad questions specifically mentions English as a second language people. Are you more inclined to vote hold on questions with poor English?" CreationDate="2018-05-18T15:00:27.353" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15336" PostId="5206" Score="2" Text="The real issue is, as the community voted, the question is broad and off topic.  I tried my best to save it but in the end it is what it is, *off topic*." CreationDate="2018-05-18T15:02:49.887" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15337" PostId="5206" Score="3" Text="@gwp This &quot;*It appears that your real objection is to poor English used.*&quot; simply is not true." CreationDate="2018-05-18T15:04:35.130" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15342" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="&quot;These scenarios are best resolved **in private, one on one.**&quot; Especially once you have mod powers, or has this been your opinion always? Did you try that in this [case](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5163/75187) first, also? Or did you decide to write a meta post right away?" CreationDate="2018-05-18T20:30:34.427" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15355" PostId="5206" Score="2" Text="@gwp I had commented this in one of the chatrooms, but I will also post it here for more visibility. I think Mister Positive handled this correctly. Putting a question on hold is more like a &quot;question is down for maintenance&quot; banner, and should not be seen as &quot;this question sucks&quot;. If a question has issues to be resolved, it is best to put it in &quot;maintenance mode&quot; to hold off any new answers until the question is fixed. He did that and edited the question when he could and also voted to reopen it later on. (contd...)" CreationDate="2018-05-19T17:34:21.907" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15356" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="Maintenance mode in real life systems also works this way. We bring the system down for a bit because if people continue using it while we are doing maintenance, it could interfere with the maintenance making it harder to do the necessary maintenance, while also annoying the user who is trying to use the system. I wish SE would label the banner with something other than &quot;closed&quot; or &quot;on hold&quot;. I guess that's just an artifact from Stack Overflow that we have to live with. (Disclosure: I am *also* an election candidate, and I cast the 2nd reopen vote on that question.)" CreationDate="2018-05-19T17:41:04.377" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15357" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="@Masked Man a) New (and existing users) just see thier questions as been shut down. b) Nobody who voted hold make any attempt to help the questioner improve the question. c) The question which was reopened is not meaningfully different than when it was closed." CreationDate="2018-05-19T18:06:31.653" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15359" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted in most cases.  I am pretty certain you can invite a user to a private chat without being a Mod.  In this case the circumstances were unique and I decided to post a META question instead after thinking about it." CreationDate="2018-05-19T19:33:01.673" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15362" PostId="5206" Score="0" Text="For sure, &quot;This is a horrible answer.&quot; was not very constructive. Then you accepted your friend's answer (&quot;Attack the idea, not the person&quot;) until the &quot;culprit&quot; publicly apologized and you accepted theirs instead. Now, what I'm interested in: As a moderator, what you write will also be scrutinized and questioned. It may even end up on *meta* - justified or not (!) - so are you ready to defend your actions publicly, face the pressure and remain calm and polite (especially also if the attack is unjustified)? To answer and explain yourself for everyone to read?" CreationDate="2018-05-19T20:48:38.963" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15373" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="A lot of this answer merely repeats the minimum expectations in a very vague and line-toeing way, almost replacing the handbook statements &quot;mods will ...&quot; with &quot;I will ...&quot;. Can you address the questions as they pertain specifically to you (as a user and as a person) given that this is the point of nomination and election (i.e. to decide whether you specifically are a suitable choice for moderatorship)? TLDR: we want to know **what makes *you in particular* any better** than the hypothetical mean-average replacement moderator. Tell us." CreationDate="2018-05-20T11:14:43.170" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="15379" PostId="5206" Score="1" Text="@gwp *&quot;What are some methods or criteria I could use to go about contributing to an Open Source project?&quot;* is a definite improvement over (paraphrasing) *&quot;How can I start real work?&quot;* as it includes a specific goal, as against a general broad question. It is certainly open to debate whether the edit has been good enough or could have been better." CreationDate="2018-05-20T14:51:01.297" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15259" PostId="5207" Score="5" Text="`There's almost like a pack mentality sometimes. On my own answers, I've seen an answer go a day and get a good amount of upvotes until one person comments why he thinks my answer is wrong and suddenly I'm getting downvotes which miraculously stop when the improper comment gets removed`  What if the commenter made a valid point? Sometimes the comments contain a point I hadn't thought of myself when I read the answer." CreationDate="2018-05-15T17:04:49.817" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="15272" PostId="5207" Score="2" Text="The keyword is &quot;constructive&quot;. It's one thing to point out something as factually incorrect (&quot;The OP is from India not the US&quot;) versus argumentative (&quot;Nobody's going to get fired for coming in late just one time&quot;).  See what I'm saying? It's a little hard to cover everything in an answer, but that's what I mean. That's one reason I respond to all comments on my answers because I don't want the last word to be a disagreement on my answer. A good example of this sort of thing is my comment to Elysian Field's question for this election (#8). I'd like but I'm on mobile right now so not easy." CreationDate="2018-05-15T21:11:29.077" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="15279" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="Regarding your first point, would you say that your stance on this has changed recently? I know of at least on instance you closed a question as &quot;not a serious question&quot; in the past." CreationDate="2018-05-16T16:22:59.867" UserId="44692" />
  <row Id="15280" PostId="5207" Score="1" Text="&quot;Not a serious question&quot; isn't an available close reason." CreationDate="2018-05-16T16:42:55.540" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="15281" PostId="5207" Score="1" Text="Having said that, I'll address the question anyway.  My stance is consistent on closing questions. What is different is addressed in question #6. There's a significant difference in what a regular user does and what a mod does.  As a moderator my point of view is different because of the much greater power it has. As a regular user I'm just 1/5. As a moderator I'm 1/1 and what I would say is what would happen so if I'm elected I expect my close votes will be pretty rare anyway in order to give the rest of the community the opportunity to express its own will." CreationDate="2018-05-16T16:50:18.480" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="15288" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="Sure, &quot;Not a serious question&quot; isn't a predefined close reason, but there are custom close reasons. Looking through your recent history it looks reasonable. And your overall tone in comments seems different that I experienced. Maybe I just happened to catch you on a bad day." CreationDate="2018-05-16T21:51:14.817" UserId="44692" />
  <row Id="15289" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="I was about to leave when I saw your question and I didn't want to let it marinate without a response. I left the first answer stay because I don't delete my comments and I own what I say, for better or worse. I can see where my tone might appear curt, but it honestly wasn't intended. Just picture me smiling in my avatar when I said it. So yeah, I wasn't in a bad mood, just rushed and unfortunately unless one wants to put smiley faces everywhere, sometime intended tone gets lost.  :):)  see?  :)  (I really am smiling I'm not being sarcastic)" CreationDate="2018-05-17T00:30:39.377" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="15343" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="@Chris E, you voted to close this question as primarily opinion-based: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/91879&#xA;&#xA;Looking at the top active questions at the moment, almost all of them require answers based on opinions therefore how do you draw the line when voting to close a question as primarily opinion-based?&#xA;&#xA;Also, you added a sarcastic comment to the question which doesn't help answer the question or help the questioner understand how they could ask better questions. Was you comment appropriate?" CreationDate="2018-05-19T03:15:21.133" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15403" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="@gwp I think in this case closing the question was the right decision, as it's not only *primarily opinion-based*, but also *too broad* (asking 3 distinct questions at once (common?, legal?, have you ever seen...?)." CreationDate="2018-05-21T15:10:52.037" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15405" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="If memory serves (and remember that was a long time ago) I didn't even put primarily opinion based. That's actually one of my pet peeves because on Workplace, **every** question is opinion based. That's just the nature of the site.  I believe I put &quot;this question asks a specific choice&quot; or &quot;too broad&quot; I can't remember. The site doesn't put the reason for every voter, just the majority. With duplicates it also puts a comment." CreationDate="2018-05-21T15:47:35.957" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="15413" PostId="5207" Score="0" Text="You lost me on tolerate troll.  To me you are not judging the person but the content.  If the content is design to incite and or mock it does not belong here IMHO." CreationDate="2018-05-21T20:19:04.273" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15276" PostId="5209" Score="2" Text="I'm assuming based on your post here that you are intending to run, but it looks like you haven't actually been nominated yet. Make sure to [nominate yourself](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/election/5?tab=nomination) if you want to be included in the election." CreationDate="2018-05-16T12:21:09.703" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15292" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="The quality of the answer has detracted from the time available for other tasks - I know about that. Don't forget to use the 'share' link of this answer in your nomination as it's a worthy read. " CreationDate="2018-05-17T07:18:47.067" UserId="70590" />
  <row Id="15297" PostId="5209" Score="1" Text="@Rob Thanks for the clarification. I will do the linking as you suggested. Enjoy the rest of your day!" CreationDate="2018-05-17T08:41:16.080" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15338" PostId="5209" Score="2" Text="&quot;Editing the question to leave out the provocative elements while retaining the issue also helps reduce off-topic and non-constructive comments.&quot; What if that is not possible without leaving out crucial info and changing the meaning of the question. See this [question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/112404/75187) and check out the original. Offensive language etc. was edited out, but the way the OP phrased it is directly related to the problem they describe. How would you handle such cases?" CreationDate="2018-05-18T17:35:30.380" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15344" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted This site is concerned with solutions to *workplace* issues. Changing people's attitudes is, at best, a secondary goal, although that component might be better suited to Interpersonal Skills. If the question contains a core workplace issue, removing the provocative elements will allow us to focus on answering that. If we are left with nothing after removing it, it probably suggests there was no workplace issue to begin with, in which case the question is off-topic here. (contd...)" CreationDate="2018-05-19T10:11:33.510" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15345" PostId="5209" Score="2" Text="@AnneDaunted About your linked question, the core workplace issue is how the team should accommodate a transgender person. There is a significant component of OP's bias towards transgender people (using words like &quot;weird&quot; (3 times) and &quot;unnatural&quot;), which is not related to the workplace problem. (Sorry, I respectfully disagree with you on that.) Rudeness and abuse is not acceptable. Every workplace issue can be addressed without rudeness and abuse, so those are not a necessary component of any issue." CreationDate="2018-05-19T10:18:30.370" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15346" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="&quot;There is a significant component of OP's bias towards transgender people [...], which is not related to the workplace problem.&quot; It causes their behavior (e. g. deliberately using the wrong pronoun), which in turn causes the friction the OP complains about. How can this not be related to the workplace issue? Or, to put it differently, knowing about the OP's bias and the actions it causes, do you believe meaningful advice can be given without touching upon it (even if it's just very vague like telling them to use correct pronouns and such)?" CreationDate="2018-05-19T10:36:04.493" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15347" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="The workplace issue of accommodating a transgender person exists regardless of the OP being a &quot;jerk&quot; or not. Just telling the OP to not be a &quot;jerk&quot; doesn't fix that. The OP being a jerk is a personal issue, and might be better dealt with by IPS (although I don't visit that site often, and don't know if they would cover it). We want the questions to be useful to the community, not to a specific person. (contd...)" CreationDate="2018-05-19T10:51:03.003" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15348" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="In addition, I don't find rules like &quot;always do this&quot; and &quot;never do this&quot; to be useful. There will be trade-offs and we often need to settle down on a middle ground. (not just on this site, but also in real life). If we go back to the OP's version, it will lead to arguments because people on both sides have strong opinions (which has already happened) and drive people away. At the other extreme, we just get rid of the question and that doesn't help either. A reasonable trade-off (IMHO) to aim for is how can we keep the question without inviting the flamethrowers?" CreationDate="2018-05-19T10:57:15.213" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15349" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="&quot;The workplace issue of accommodating a transgender person exists regardless of the OP being a &quot;jerk&quot; or not.&quot; True, but this is not really what that question is about. So you'd rather take such a question, with an unregistered OP probably never clarifying the issue, accepting an answer etc. to give advice on how to accommodate a transgender person, than a genuine and more sensible one? Then even a hypothetical question (written anew) would do a better job." CreationDate="2018-05-19T16:23:00.970" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15350" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="@Anne Daunted I strive to maintain balance. In this case, balance between helping the OP and helping the community. In 99.9% cases, those are not mutually conflicting. I avoid aggressive editing &quot;to fit out site&quot; at the cost of making the question useless to the OP. However, in some cases, it is necessary. If the question is full of violations of the Be Nice policy, it will get deleted sooner or later, and that helps *nobody*. If we preserve the &quot;core&quot; question without the provocative content, it can be useful to *somebody*. (contd...)" CreationDate="2018-05-19T17:02:28.073" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15351" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="Granted that the edited question probably doesn't help the OP directly, but it *could* if he gets over his bias from advice elsewhere. People without the bias who face the situation will benefit directly. If the question is deleted, there is *no chance* of that. To reiterate, this should be done only in exceptional cases. Addressing the OP's concern shouldn't be at the cost of making everyone else feel miserable. It is all about balance.  (contd...)" CreationDate="2018-05-19T17:07:13.583" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15352" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="Also, I don't go by the assumption that the OP is a troll until there is contrary evidence. So I won't assume that OP made a throwaway account just to ruffle some feathers and is enjoying the argument while logged out. And just to be clear on this, this is my view on what the community should do with such questions. If I do this as a regular user, others can freely question me. If I am a moderator, I won't unilaterally make such edits because people may not feel as free to question a moderator's edit. I will initiate a meta discussion in that case and go with the community. (contd...)" CreationDate="2018-05-19T17:13:28.087" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15353" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="Such incidents hopefully don't happen too frequently, and can be handled on a case-by-case basis. As for creating a fresh new question, that is certainly a possibility but I feel it comes down to splitting hairs over a technicality. We could see version 2 as a new question that appears under edit history of question 12345, as against having its own id. Hypothetically, if SE software provides an option to automatically &quot;detach&quot; version 2 into a new question, the effect is pretty much the same as doing it manually." CreationDate="2018-05-19T17:19:30.933" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15354" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="Also, specific to that question on transgender coworker, I personally (that is, not as a moderator candidate) found it useful. Transgender people are legally recognized as a separate gender in India (and not just lumped together under &quot;Other&quot;), so that got me thinking, what if I am a manager and a transgender person joins my team and asks me which toilet to use? That question and its answers gave me some ideas on how to handle that situation. As you might have guessed, I don't have any such bias against transgender people, but if the question was deleted, I might have never seen it." CreationDate="2018-05-19T17:25:51.443" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15358" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="@Masked Man Above you say above about holds, 'restrict their use to questions which cannot be edited to fit our site's standards'. Elsewhere you say putting questions on hold is useful while they are being improved, 'question on hold is more like a &quot;question is down for maintenance&quot; banner'. 1. If a question is salvageable, when do you put it on hold? 2. If you put the question on hold, what responsibilities to you have to the questioner?" CreationDate="2018-05-19T18:26:52.743" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15361" PostId="5209" Score="1" Text="&quot;As for creating a fresh new question, that is certainly a possibility but I feel it comes down to splitting hairs over a technicality.&quot; I respectfully disagree, since the question was trenched with the OP's bias and he is our only source for the colleague's behavior. &quot;He's making some weird demands, such as getting upset whenever we call him a he (which we obviously do out of habit, I mean, what are we supposed to do, change our instincts over night?)&quot; even in written form, always using &quot;he&quot;. The edits now put a transgender person in a worse light, getting upset over a minor oversight maybe?" CreationDate="2018-05-19T20:39:47.790" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15366" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="@gwp By that I meant putting on hold *permanently* (in other words, &quot;closed&quot;) should be done for questions that don't meet the site standards no matter what we do (example: should I start looking for a new job?). The putting on hold *temporarily* should be for questions that can edited and improved. I hope the difference is clear now, I will edit the post when I find the time." CreationDate="2018-05-20T07:21:28.550" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15367" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted I don't see how that puts the transgender person in a worse light. The OP clearly said that he uses &quot;he&quot; out of habit, and that has been retained in the edit. It is not mentioned anywhere in the question that the transgender person knows this is being done deliberately. We know this because the OP has posted the question here using the same biased language." CreationDate="2018-05-20T07:29:34.717" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15368" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted From all of your comments so far, it appears your goal is how to make the OP overcome his bias. My goal is to resolve the workplace issue. Making people overcome their bias is not achieved by random strangers over the internet in four paragraphs. Like I said above, we have to take all the factors into account when editing, including the fact that it has already caused a bit of flamewar once." CreationDate="2018-05-20T07:34:27.823" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15369" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="I strive to save as many questions as possible. In some borderline cases, such as this one, it might lead to some deviation from the original intent but if it is overall beneficial, I will go with that option. The other alternative is to get rid of the question altogether which doesn't help anyone. Regardless of being a moderator or not, I cannot support the stance that deleting a question that matches one person's intent 100% is a better choice than retaining a question that only matches it 75% but helps more people. We will have to agree to disagree here." CreationDate="2018-05-20T07:38:07.520" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15371" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="&quot;Making people overcome their bias is not achieved by random strangers over the internet in four paragraphs.&quot; I agree and that's why it's not my goal, at all. I'm merely against saving bad, biased questions at all cost. Especially with an OP who doesn't come back to improve their question and answer clarifying questions. I don't see how you could come to the conclusion about my goal - I haven't written an answer to the question to that effect and always discussed how it was edited. As a moderator, will you make sure to be careful with guessing people's motives?" CreationDate="2018-05-20T10:58:31.380" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15374" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted Ok, I apologize for misstating your goal. It just appeared so to me based on your comment there asking to reinstate the original version, as well as comments here suggesting that the answer should at least hint to the OP that their bias is causing the problem. However, on rereading the entire post, I do realise I might have read too much into it." CreationDate="2018-05-20T13:03:09.180" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15375" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="*&quot;I'm merely against saving bad, biased questions at all cost.&quot;* It seems I wasn't able to make my stand clear. I am *also* against this, but as I had said earlier, I don't find rules like &quot;always do this&quot; and &quot;never do this&quot; useful. If there is a useful question (which may not be a &quot;good&quot; question) inside the bad biased question, I will try to save it. If there is no useful question, then we should delete it. This is more or less what I said in the first comment of this discussion. (contd...)" CreationDate="2018-05-20T13:08:26.050" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15376" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="I can see why my commentary makes it appear that I want bad questions to be edited and saved at all costs. However, I think that happens mainly because I have been commenting on a specific question. This doesn't represent my general stand on *all* &quot;bad&quot; questions. Each such provocative question should be handled on a case-by-case basis, and it is certainly possible that for a different provocative question, I might recommend deleting it off the bat to prevent wasting people's time trying to &quot;fix&quot; it." CreationDate="2018-05-20T13:12:14.447" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15377" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="*&quot;Especially with an OP who doesn't come back to improve their question and answer clarifying questions.&quot;* This again goes back to the first statement in my answer proper. We don't know if the OP will come back or not, so we shouldn't assume that he won't. We have had plenty of cases where people with &quot;unregistered&quot; accounts came back and tried posting clarifications through another account (which we eventually got merged by flagging to mods, etc.). It is easy enough for me to say &quot;this question is troll, delete it&quot;, but I assume good intentions until I have contrary evidence." CreationDate="2018-05-20T13:15:36.383" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15378" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted I will admit though that after rereading your comments here as well as the two chat rooms, I realise that my edit to that question could have been better. I can now think of a better version which (1) maintains the OP's bias,(2) is somewhat useful to the larger community and (3) avoids, or at least, restricts the flamebaits. If I had thought about it sooner, I would have edited it that way. Now before jumping in to make the edit, I will think about it some more and perhaps collect community feedback on meta to prevent further ping pong." CreationDate="2018-05-20T13:24:26.437" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15381" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted FWIW, I have reworded some of the answers now to better describe my actual stand on the issues which were not clear from my initial version. Additionally, my discussion with you here has made me revisit my stand on some issues and I have updated accordingly. Thank you very much for spending the time to review my answers to that level of depth. Regardless of the outcome of the election, this is going to stay with me. :)" CreationDate="2018-05-20T14:57:17.737" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15382" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="@gwp I have edited my answer to the last question to be more clear. While my previous version also said more or less the same thing, it beat around the bush to get to the point which was causing confusion." CreationDate="2018-05-20T15:02:53.520" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15383" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="Now about your questions: *&quot;1. If a question is salvageable, when do you put it on hold?&quot;* If the question cannot be reasonably answered without clarifications from the OP (such as their work location), put it on hold as early as possible to prevent receiving irrelevant answers." CreationDate="2018-05-20T15:08:33.280" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15384" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="*&quot;2. If you put the question on hold, what responsibilities to you have to the questioner?&quot;* To tell them what they should do to get the question reopened, which I have mentioned (or at least hinted) in answers to questions 2, 3, 8, 10. Then cast a reopen vote when they do and solicit reopen votes from others (which I have done several times, but regrettably not enough times). You can see this under the meta tag reopen-request and also in Water Cooler chat." CreationDate="2018-05-20T15:09:29.420" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15385" PostId="5209" Score="0" Text="Glad to read that my comments were helpful." CreationDate="2018-05-20T15:42:42.517" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15273" PostId="5212" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I have rephrased them already?" CreationDate="2018-05-16T02:26:52.503" UserDisplayName="user22656" />
  <row Id="15274" PostId="5212" Score="2" Text="Yes, but given the circumstances it will have less effect than posting them again (not reopen)" CreationDate="2018-05-16T02:28:57.850" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15275" PostId="5214" Score="0" Text="Thanks, especially your last two paras. I edited the post now. Better?" CreationDate="2018-05-16T06:59:24.070" UserDisplayName="user22656" />
  <row Id="15282" PostId="5215" Score="0" Text="Many thanks. I've again edited and detailed these 3 questions: better now?  Please recommend more improvements if necessary." CreationDate="2018-05-16T18:03:55.547" UserDisplayName="user22656" />
  <row Id="15283" PostId="5215" Score="0" Text="You are not making any attempt at all to address the issues raised in the comments and now also here in meta. At this point, I am finding it very hard to believe you are not doing this deliberately. I have flagged your questions for mod attention, and won't be engaging any further on this topic." CreationDate="2018-05-16T18:10:50.853" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15284" PostId="5215" Score="0" Text="&quot;At this point, I am finding it very hard to believe you are not doing this deliberately.&quot; I'm very saddened to read this, when I am trying to &quot;address the issues&quot;. Can you please read my post overhead? I edited it to answer your quoted questions individually." CreationDate="2018-05-16T18:44:05.893" UserDisplayName="user22656" />
  <row Id="15306" PostId="5216" Score="0" Text="So what do you want to discuss?" CreationDate="2018-05-17T16:37:43.370" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15307" PostId="5216" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus I've added a summary of the main discussion points that I'd like to see resolved." CreationDate="2018-05-17T16:51:48.353" UserId="73255" />
  <row Id="15308" PostId="5216" Score="0" Text="Posted some thoughts, links and references on the matter" CreationDate="2018-05-17T16:55:57.227" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15309" PostId="5217" Score="1" Text="Besides the regional and personal preference variables, there's one of specialty. You don't go to the same doctor for as skin rash as for brain surgery, you probably also wouldn't go to the same lawyer for sexual discrimination as you would to help you buy a house." CreationDate="2018-05-17T17:03:29.440" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15310" PostId="5217" Score="0" Text="Not to mention for a lot of people, the best &quot;should you go to a lawyer?&quot; question is answered by someone in their personal network in an informal conversation." CreationDate="2018-05-17T17:43:34.153" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="15311" PostId="5217" Score="0" Text="@ElysianFields true. now that you wrote it, the question *&quot;should I go to a lawyer&quot;* is also off-topic as it is asking for a specific choice" CreationDate="2018-05-17T17:46:15.837" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15332" PostId="5217" Score="1" Text="I think this answer is correct. How to obtain a lawyer is country-specific, sometimes even region specific. There's also the matter of finding one with the right specialization. All 'we' can say is 'you need to obtain legal advice from an expert'" CreationDate="2018-05-18T14:38:29.333" UserId="32602" />
  <row Id="15312" PostId="5218" Score="0" Text="Question 1: &quot;Either way, these questions attract a lot of attention, comments, flags, and discussion in chat. How should questions like these be moderated?&quot; What is your answer to this part of the question? You just mention answering them and that we may not know if they are genuine or not, but not how you would use your moderator powers in case of heated discussions etc. on a controversial question." CreationDate="2018-05-18T11:36:28.700" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15314" PostId="5218" Score="0" Text="Question 8: But how would you, as a moderator, deal with comments (the various types of problematic ones, borderline cases etc.)? You write &quot;Often you'll get good discussion on the question subject matter&quot; - can you elaborate? [Comments](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment) are not for discussions, except for meta." CreationDate="2018-05-18T11:51:30.133" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15315" PostId="5218" Score="4" Text="Just a suggestion that, in my humble opinion, might help your campaign: Wonder how you would use your mod powers to tackle the problems / issues described in the questions, rather than just tell us about your opinion. Then, we would get a feeling for how you'd behave if you were elected." CreationDate="2018-05-18T11:54:35.323" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15316" PostId="5218" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your comments, I've amended some answers accordingly. I have tried to convey that in my answers, although I do feel opinions play a part in moderation and making the right judgement call. Even though guidelines are set out for consistency, people always interrupt them differently in some fashion." CreationDate="2018-05-18T11:57:34.873" UserDisplayName="user66194" />
  <row Id="15360" PostId="5218" Score="3" Text="This is the only nominee whose answers are motivated by helping the people asking questions. Everyone else has lost sight of that because they are motivated to protect the site from harm. It is sad that this person has down votes and the protectionists have up votes." CreationDate="2018-05-19T19:44:21.420" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15313" PostId="5219" Score="3" Text="I suspect that this user is the same one who left this [now deleted comment](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/112372/44108) - the intolerant tone is similar in nature." CreationDate="2018-05-18T11:41:10.370" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15317" PostId="5219" Score="1" Text="I contemplated asking a meta question about the editing of that question, but that may not be necessary. However, in my opinion, it should be rolled back to the very first version. Edits should not alter the content that much." CreationDate="2018-05-18T11:58:08.047" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15318" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="`BOLO is slang for Be On the Lookout` what does that mean? [It seems to be a police thing](https://www.thebalancecareers.com/bolo-be-on-the-look-out-974693)? Why would this name add to your suspicion that this person is a troll?" CreationDate="2018-05-18T12:00:11.127" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="15319" PostId="5219" Score="1" Text="@Carpetsmoker Lots of slang comes from real stuff.   As slang it is used to mean bogus or  be weary of.   Troll started as slang based a tail of an odd creature that hung out under a bridge and would verbally antagonize people that passed.  You down voted for that?" CreationDate="2018-05-18T12:03:07.787" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15320" PostId="5219" Score="2" Text="Possible duplicate of [Fair to VTC for trolling](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5037/fair-to-vtc-for-trolling)" CreationDate="2018-05-18T12:11:36.100" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15321" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="@DavidK If you think that is dup then you miss the point.  Vote down so it may be deleted is a different thing than VTC.   VTC is also different from edit." CreationDate="2018-05-18T12:16:29.923" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15322" PostId="5219" Score="2" Text="@paparazzo Please read the first two answers to your own previously asked question. In particular: &quot;Using Meta to raise a virtual Lynching party against people who do not use the site in the manner you would like is not an acceptable method of dealing with this!&quot;" CreationDate="2018-05-18T12:22:25.957" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15323" PostId="5219" Score="2" Text="@DavidK Lynch party?  Moving on.  If I hit nerve sorry." CreationDate="2018-05-18T12:29:55.443" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15404" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="At first I thought this might be trolling but the OP was active in comments.  https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/112596/how-do-i-regain-managerial-control-of-my-self-organizing-team" CreationDate="2018-05-21T15:12:18.123" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15510" PostId="5219" Score="2" Text="You disagree with him so he's a troll?  Not cool." CreationDate="2018-05-30T05:56:24.250" UserId="76870" />
  <row Id="15678" PostId="5219" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Recent string of trolling questions](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4839/recent-string-of-trolling-questions)" CreationDate="2018-06-21T19:50:06.217" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15324" PostId="5220" Score="0" Text="OK you don't think it is a troll.   Sure it is *possible* this unregistered user is real.  If you don't think it is a troll then I am not suggesting you down vote." CreationDate="2018-05-18T12:40:29.090" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15325" PostId="5220" Score="2" Text="@paparazzo `you don't think it is a troll`: I don't know. It's certainly possible that they are – maybe even likely – but I'm not sure." CreationDate="2018-05-18T12:41:48.280" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="15326" PostId="5220" Score="0" Text="Never going be sure.  I am not getting your point.   Not my intent to argue with you." CreationDate="2018-05-18T12:45:43.920" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15327" PostId="5220" Score="10" Text="I think the point here is: judge the question, not the person. You determine the fate of the question separately from the fate of the person. The question may be salvageable (or not) via votes, edits, etc. regardless of if the person &quot;is a troll&quot; or not. So, when considering actions on the question, you look at the question. **If** the user returns and develops a pattern, the person is dealt with (by the moderators). But, in the meantime, us community members are responsible for looking at the *question* independently of what we think about the *person.*" CreationDate="2018-05-18T12:50:26.107" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15328" PostId="5220" Score="1" Text="@dwizum I get my wording makes it sound like judging the person.  My intent is if the question is trolling.  I will edit." CreationDate="2018-05-18T13:12:49.257" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15363" PostId="5221" Score="3" Text="Congratulations, @KateGregory! You also write terrific answers on other stacks - it's always a joy to read them!" CreationDate="2018-05-19T20:51:06.453" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15364" PostId="5221" Score="0" Text="Congratulations, Kate Gregory. Your answers have been extremely useful to me personally in navigating the workplace, not just in terms of the content but also the writing style." CreationDate="2018-05-20T07:15:58.973" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15365" PostId="5221" Score="1" Text="*&quot;what do you view as your &quot;best&quot; answer of all time?&quot;* Voting to close as too broad. :)" CreationDate="2018-05-20T07:16:50.350" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15372" PostId="5221" Score="1" Text="Doesn't that make it POB rather than TB... @MaskedMan" CreationDate="2018-05-20T10:58:35.747" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="15380" PostId="5221" Score="2" Text="@nij *pedant alert*: If the question is specifically addressed to Kate Gregory, it is primarily opinion based. However, since meta posts are addressed to the entire community, it is too broad because the community considers all her answers as the best. :)" CreationDate="2018-05-20T14:54:11.957" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15388" PostId="5221" Score="0" Text="@KageGregory is one of my favorite writers here!!  Congrats!!" CreationDate="2018-05-20T19:22:30.770" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15524" PostId="5221" Score="0" Text="Well done Kate.." CreationDate="2018-06-01T10:13:23.903" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="15389" PostId="5222" Score="3" Text="I absolutely loved this answer, and still follow your suggestion today!" CreationDate="2018-05-20T19:23:22.970" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15391" PostId="5222" Score="1" Text="Just became aware of that great answer. Excellent suggestions, will try to implement them ASAP! Keep up the good work :)" CreationDate="2018-05-21T04:39:08.853" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15394" PostId="5222" Score="1" Text="That's a great answer and it is very true. I've found I really NEED to do that, versus going home knowing what my next task was but having not started it at all. &quot;Parking&quot; it like that let's me mentally stop thinking about it, whereas if I don't start it at all, I end up thinking about it all night." CreationDate="2018-05-21T13:02:19.983" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15470" PostId="5223" Score="0" Text="I see, thanks for the comment @Nat ... I do tend to use bolds and italics to give the text more depth, but will check to cut it down a bit :)" CreationDate="2018-05-24T02:53:34.707" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15397" PostId="5224" Score="0" Text="The cases the OP describes and the goal / question don't really fit. The managers suggest a course of action that is doomed to fail due to their lack of knowledge - maybe the OP's communication problem lays there. When he describes them as having not enough / no knowledge of how to go about the projects, why do they even hope for the supervisors to describe the objectives more clearly? Don't they lack the means to do so, or rather shouldn't they just stick to that and let the OP figure out how to do it, instead of trying to micromanage?" CreationDate="2018-05-21T14:26:41.387" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15398" PostId="5224" Score="0" Text="The way it is now seems to me that the OP believes that they suggest inappropriate models etc. because the actual objectives are different from what the OP thinks they are, not because they don't know better - but the whole question only describes the latter scenario." CreationDate="2018-05-21T14:29:16.500" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="15399" PostId="5224" Score="0" Text="@AnneDaunted In that case, the OP would benefit from advice on how to convince his boss to &quot;leave this to me&quot;. This could be included in an answer. In addition, if the OP is misreading their situation, that should also be covered in an answer." CreationDate="2018-05-21T14:52:04.637" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15400" PostId="5224" Score="0" Text="It's a struggle because, of course, we are only getting the OP's half of the story - not his employers'. I don't think he's asking the right question and the post deserves a bit of a frame challenge, but it's hard to know what frame to bring it to without knowing the whole story." CreationDate="2018-05-21T14:53:29.997" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15401" PostId="5224" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I'll try to take a shot at further editing. I think that things like the footnote should be removed as they are secondary to the issue (communication)" CreationDate="2018-05-21T14:54:33.917" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15402" PostId="5224" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan overall, the question was already well edited. Casted the third vote." CreationDate="2018-05-21T15:04:44.403" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15406" PostId="5224" Score="0" Text="I'm still conflicted. What is the actual issue: Boss's unrealistic expectations? Boss's micromanaging? OP's poor communication skills, such that they can't determine the boss's (perhaps totally realistic) goals? Or are there no issues, and the OP is just so used to acedemia that he can't function &quot;in the real world?&quot; I feel like each of those would have different answers and we don't know which is actually happening." CreationDate="2018-05-21T16:29:24.053" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15422" PostId="5224" Score="0" Text="@dwizum Each of those possibilities are valid, and it is fine for an answer to provide multiple possible reasons for the situation. It is possible that the OP also doesn't know exactly what's going wrong. A helpful answer can make them aware of these reasons, and they can evaluate which one of them holds in their case." CreationDate="2018-05-22T02:57:44.633" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15407" PostId="5225" Score="1" Text="Do we have data to back up the claim in the question? Yes, there's lots of techy folks here, but just in the last few days, I've answered or edited questions by people aspiring to be chefs, a factory worker, fast food line managers, salespeople..." CreationDate="2018-05-21T19:25:52.947" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15408" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="@dwizum I am suggesting it would be beneficial to have those questions be answer by chefs, factory workers, fast food line managers, and salespeople.  I might be able to tell someone with questions about unsafe conditions in a factory about the resources available to them, but I have never used them myself.  Someone who has spent a career in that environment would be able to offer advice not just on the resources available but how to use them, common political situations, etc." CreationDate="2018-05-21T19:36:01.297" UserId="32037" />
  <row Id="15409" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="We do suggest other sites when we find that another would be suited to their question." CreationDate="2018-05-21T19:41:23.747" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="15410" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="@ChrisE I'm suggesting we ask the answerers to come here for the questions that are good and on topic but about things most active users here are not experts in.  This site has absolutely *excellent* advice on how to navigate working in an office / corporate world- I would like to see advice of the same caliber for other working environments." CreationDate="2018-05-21T19:44:51.430" UserId="32037" />
  <row Id="15411" PostId="5225" Score="1" Text="I don't disagree that more diversity is better and I didn't mean to come off as critical. I'm just curious - how do we decide there's a problem, and how do we measure it? Also - per @ChrisE's comment - when do questions that specific become off topic? When techy-folk ask questions wrapped up in which programming language to choose, we direct them to other SE's. When they ask questions about interviewing, asking for a raise, dealing with a boss - we answer them. Should we not do the same with chefs? Again, not being critical, just playing devil's advocate." CreationDate="2018-05-21T19:46:15.480" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15412" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="@dwizum If it's about the workplace (of any kind) then it's not off topic simply for that reason. The problem arises when the question is specific to that workplace. While we may leave it open, the reality is that the likelihood of someone here being able to answer it, That's when we refer them to another site more able to answer their question. It's possible it could even be migrated." CreationDate="2018-05-21T20:09:22.543" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="15414" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="@ChrisE Would it be better to invite the experts who can answer the question to do so here instead of directing the question elsewhere?  If there is a valuable Q&amp;A to be had, I want to keep it here." CreationDate="2018-05-21T20:19:52.247" UserId="32037" />
  <row Id="15415" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="Do we know who the experts are and where to get ahold of them? Are we talking strictly about others already on other SEs, or just, experts in general?" CreationDate="2018-05-21T20:28:52.703" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15416" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="@dwizum An example of a user I would love to have active on this site is https://diy.stackexchange.com/users/386/shirlock-homes" CreationDate="2018-05-21T20:42:38.580" UserId="32037" />
  <row Id="15421" PostId="5225" Score="1" Text="Realistically, I think people here would chase away many non-&quot;professionals&quot; if they were to answer questions here from their perspective. I know I would never have become a moderator here had I answered questions in order to interact with some of my factory coworkers in the past.." CreationDate="2018-05-21T22:50:31.073" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="15428" PostId="5225" Score="2" Text="@Elysian Fields A similar attitude existed towards &quot;non-Americans&quot; about 3 years ago, but thankfully, due to efforts of our moderators and some other regular members, that has been more or less fixed now." CreationDate="2018-05-22T09:33:44.660" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15429" PostId="5225" Score="1" Text="@dwizum We decided this was a problem because multiple users have perceived it as such. In a now deleted meta post, one user remarked that &quot;IT workplaces are special&quot; and that non-IT questions are more likely to be &quot;moulded&quot; into general questions in a manner that IT folks could &quot;get&quot; it. (contd...)" CreationDate="2018-05-22T09:38:13.520" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15430" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="This relates to my previous comment where I had observed that questions containing country-specific info would be edited to include an explanation like (equivalent to X in US) giving the impression that every question had to be framed in a manner that a US worker would &quot;understand&quot; it. However, as stated above, this has been &quot;fixed&quot; by now." CreationDate="2018-05-22T09:39:35.793" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15433" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="Let me re-emphasize that I'm not in any way &quot;against&quot; this effort. I'm asking questions and raising arguments as a way of understanding the best way to move forwards! I agree that the national diversity problem is no longer evident, it's pretty cool to see so many regionally-specific questions get good answers these days. What specific efforts helped change that? Or was it just a matter of suddenly having the right people onboard?" CreationDate="2018-05-22T12:44:48.527" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15435" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="@MackM That's actually the model that Quora uses. But here, it would require research to find experts. The more effective way (for the user especially) is to let them post on the specialized Exchange or, if the question is suitable, just migrate it over. Then the entire pool of knowledgeable people have the opportunity to see the question and answer it." CreationDate="2018-05-22T14:07:19.177" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="15439" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="@dwizum [A certain user](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/3192/masked-man?tab=profile) complaining long and loud about the bias helped to an extent. :) [Moderators constantly reminding people](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3216/3192) played a bigger role. Several regular users insisting on the united-states tag for US specific questions was another factor. Having a lot of non-US users contribute actively also helped." CreationDate="2018-05-22T16:12:45.073" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15472" PostId="5225" Score="0" Text="Should we? Probably. But how? How to make it not look demanding? Remember that we are all volunteers here, so we also have to respect them if they're not interested in participating on this (or any SE) site." CreationDate="2018-05-24T07:37:28.727" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="15417" PostId="5226" Score="1" Text="I think that this may sound unlikely, but the point is to help users out. I know that some people like to gameify this thing, but if we start doubting the intentions of everyone we would become a paranoid VTC community. You also *assumed* an average of 5 people under a manager, don't you think there is a chance your assumption may not be 100% correct? I *do* agree on the title being dramatic, but it was edited out as well as some other sensitive content. Now that those things are gone so is the drama and we can proceed to help without judging." CreationDate="2018-05-21T21:15:11.750" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15418" PostId="5226" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus typically you manage 5 people, maybe 4, rarely 3. I'm not aware of a rational for managing 2 people - the overhead of a manager is too heavy. It's actually more likely to manage *more* than 5 than less, simply because a company is more likely to *overwork* a manager than underwork them." CreationDate="2018-05-21T21:17:10.017" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15419" PostId="5226" Score="0" Text="We don't know the size of this company. For all we know it may be a startup, where it is more likely that a manager only manages few (1,2) people. To be honest, I also had my doubts about this, but now the question has been reworded to a better state and is more specific and less dramatic." CreationDate="2018-05-21T21:20:26.873" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15420" PostId="5226" Score="1" Text="Is it a likely situation? No. But is it possible? Yes." CreationDate="2018-05-21T21:59:42.020" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="15427" PostId="5226" Score="0" Text="The question here encourages the person to solve the problem themselves, and not to go off running to their manager.  And what's he going to tell his manager?  &quot;Why boss, I gave my team powers and they used them against me - Save me, you're my only hope...&quot;" CreationDate="2018-05-22T05:36:21.367" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15423" PostId="5228" Score="0" Text="Got an example of that? Are you referring to when users don't post anonymously and disassociate their account afterwards?" CreationDate="2018-05-22T04:20:53.627" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15424" PostId="5228" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus I didn't post an example to avoid bringing unwanted attention to it. Anyway, an old question bumped up today with &quot;dentist's appointment&quot; in the title, that's the one that got me thinking about it." CreationDate="2018-05-22T04:35:59.983" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15425" PostId="5228" Score="0" Text="Got it... I see your point now. I'll go diving a bit tomorrow morning to see if MSE has something about it (if not I am sure it's worthy of a post)" CreationDate="2018-05-22T04:48:11.450" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15426" PostId="5228" Score="0" Text="My search so far yielded this: https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/269711/332286 I think it is related to this phenomenon, I'll try my google fu tomorrow" CreationDate="2018-05-22T05:07:58.023" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15442" PostId="5231" Score="2" Text="... how do people make money running these things. sigh" CreationDate="2018-05-22T16:42:53.233" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15443" PostId="5231" Score="0" Text="Well, two of them went bankrupt... @bharal" CreationDate="2018-05-22T17:14:32.267" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15527" PostId="5231" Score="0" Text="Yes, I've seen very strange things" CreationDate="2018-06-03T10:46:58.217" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="15449" PostId="5232" Score="3" Text="Get rid of it, we don't need it" CreationDate="2018-05-22T21:41:12.170" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="15464" PostId="5232" Score="2" Text="[Fly it proudly?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Ontario#/media/File:Flag_of_Ontario.svg)" CreationDate="2018-05-23T15:26:13.403" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15465" PostId="5232" Score="0" Text="Seems that the tag no longer exists (or at least has 0 questions tagged now)" CreationDate="2018-05-23T16:20:22.600" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15444" PostId="5233" Score="1" Text="Canadian law is not that different that we need tags for every province. Yes there are things that different on a provincial base, but not so drastically that an answer would be blatantly incorrect. I agree burninate this tag." CreationDate="2018-05-22T17:54:01.457" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="15473" PostId="5235" Score="0" Text="in [Tavern](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms/89/tavern-on-the-meta) chat room they once posted data on cross-site clicks through HNQ sidebar. If memory serves it was very heavily dominated by clicks from Stack Overflow, meaning our questions mostly entertain IT audience" CreationDate="2018-05-24T11:30:42.613" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15474" PostId="5235" Score="1" Text="[Here's the raw data posted by Shog](https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/89?m=6304787#6304787) that @gnat mentioned about." CreationDate="2018-05-25T07:12:19.173" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="15475" PostId="5235" Score="1" Text="Right.  So (ignoring Workplace to Workplace clicks), more than half the total was from SO, and another 10% was from clearly &quot;IT&quot; related sites. ... and that doesn't count those people that started out on SO, discovered RPG (for example), and then discovered Workplace." CreationDate="2018-05-25T07:25:12.820" UserId="47492" />
  <row Id="15529" PostId="5235" Score="0" Text="An office is an office is an office, nothing special about you I.T. folk, no offence.... just saying" CreationDate="2018-06-03T22:42:06.457" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="15530" PostId="5235" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi IT folk are in demand, so if they don't like the office culture, they can just walk.  Secondly, at least programmers would do it for fun even if they weren't paid; that means they enjoy what they are doing.  Even within hi-tech companies, the culture of the engineering department is usually different to the Sales/Finance/HR depts.  I'd also like Workplace to cover factories and retail - not everyone works in an office." CreationDate="2018-06-04T05:45:04.620" UserId="47492" />
  <row Id="15531" PostId="5235" Score="1" Text="Good IT don't 'just walk' and there is a glut on the market of mediocre ones..... location dependent though I suppose. Having said that, blue collar questions are welcome some of us didn't start in IT." CreationDate="2018-06-04T05:47:38.423" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="15438" PostId="5236" Score="0" Text="[Our tags are kind of a mess](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5006/3192) though. The privilege to create tags comes far too early on the ladder making it way too easy to create tags. The presence or absence of a specific tag doesn't necessarily say anything about the &quot;validity&quot; of that tag. See also a [mod election question](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5189/3192) that wasn't shortlisted. I plan to work on this some time after this mod election is over." CreationDate="2018-05-22T15:57:41.743" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15440" PostId="5236" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I guess that was indirectly my point, our tags are a mess! It's hard to answer, &quot;do we need this tag?&quot; in light of that mess. I agree, it's too easy to create tags." CreationDate="2018-05-22T16:15:05.647" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15441" PostId="5236" Score="4" Text="California and Florida are different jurisdictions and have significantly different state laws, so it makes sense to have those tags. Is this also the case for Ontario? For many countries the laws are *not* different per province/region, but the same throughout the country." CreationDate="2018-05-22T16:17:55.430" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="15445" PostId="5238" Score="2" Text="How do you have your sort order?" CreationDate="2018-05-22T18:34:29.353" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="15446" PostId="5238" Score="1" Text="@ElysianFields  Hmm... it is on &quot;votes&quot;.  I've never noticed this option before." CreationDate="2018-05-22T18:36:13.730" UserId="62397" />
  <row Id="15447" PostId="5238" Score="0" Text="@ElysianFields  So, if this is the case, then does the original order I mentioned not exist anymore?  None of the three tabs (&quot;Active&quot;, &quot;Oldest&quot;, &quot;Votes&quot;) seem to correspond with it." CreationDate="2018-05-22T18:40:45.010" UserId="62397" />
  <row Id="15448" PostId="5238" Score="1" Text="cross-site duplicate: [Accepted answers don't float “on top” when self-answered?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/5486/165773)" CreationDate="2018-05-22T20:25:46.647" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15455" PostId="5240" Score="0" Text="Here is what I *thought* was the answer to this question.  https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/22232/are-expletives-cursing-swear-words-or-vulgar-language-allowed-on-se-sites/22233#22233" CreationDate="2018-05-23T12:02:47.937" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15461" PostId="5240" Score="11" Text="The phrase is even used elsewhere *on the same page*! Which makes one wonder why this particular one is singled out." CreationDate="2018-05-23T12:15:57.980" UserId="29446" />
  <row Id="15450" PostId="5241" Score="2" Text="Flame war in comments has been removed, so I can't see how heated that was, but I wanted to start a discussion as to whether the original edit to alter the phrase &quot;cover your ass&quot; was appropriate or necessary on the Workplace." CreationDate="2018-05-23T00:54:23.840" UserId="88" />
  <row Id="15451" PostId="5241" Score="3" Text="The only problem with &quot;create a paper trail&quot; is that the reason for creating said paper trail is to *CYA*, which is an acronym I see often on Workplace SE. *Cover Yourself* is perhaps a better replacement &#xA;*Cover your assets* of you want to preserve the acronyn or perhaps [Cover Ones Donkey](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey) if going for a touch of humor." CreationDate="2018-05-23T00:59:21.660" UserId="59343" />
  <row Id="15452" PostId="5241" Score="1" Text="In any case, using the acronym &quot;CYA&quot; is far more polite and tolerable than actually *spelling* each word... for me using acronym is OK but spelling it out is in the limits of my taste." CreationDate="2018-05-23T02:09:49.137" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15453" PostId="5241" Score="4" Text="Personally, I think &quot;cover your ass&quot; is okay. It's a fairly common idiom and not especially vulgar, IMHO. That being said, I didn't see the comments, and this particular user has something of a pattern of using inappropriate language in his answers and comments." CreationDate="2018-05-23T02:14:20.620" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="15454" PostId="5241" Score="3" Text="Also, can we unlock the post considering the author has been suspended? I doubt anyone else will start an edit war over this, and it will allow voting." CreationDate="2018-05-23T02:16:07.737" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="15459" PostId="5241" Score="0" Text="@Carpetsmoker *Personally* light weight swearing such as this is not offensive to me.  However, I think the community as a **whole** frowns upon it." CreationDate="2018-05-23T12:09:33.897" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15492" PostId="5241" Score="2" Text="The community as a whole doesn't seem care about this particular phrase at all, and there's evidence that it's considered acceptable given the number of highly upvoted posts containing the full phrase. You might have had reasonable argument about previous incidents, but to make an iffy edit on this post having at minimum ignored others recently, you were picking on the user, whether you think it was justified or not." CreationDate="2018-05-27T05:07:30.687" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="15458" PostId="5243" Score="2" Text="As for myself, I had tried to work with this user regarding swearing to no avail." CreationDate="2018-05-23T12:07:07.863" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15466" PostId="5244" Score="2" Text="Still a useful link to add. What harm does it do if it stays there?" CreationDate="2018-05-23T16:36:34.137" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="15467" PostId="5244" Score="0" Text="@Carpetsmoker its misleading. If it stays it stays, but if that was only link we would probably see it removed. Useful and duplicated are not the same thing." CreationDate="2018-05-23T16:56:15.847" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="15462" PostId="5245" Score="0" Text="I don't think that detail matters.  If someone makes a request that is not normal and they out-rank you, what would you change in the answers?  The over riding theme is cover your assets.  CYA." CreationDate="2018-05-23T14:31:42.887" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15468" PostId="5245" Score="0" Text="That is why it is perhaps a good practice to quote the parts of the Question that you are addressing... so in case things change your answer does not end up hanging and prone to DV from confused users." CreationDate="2018-05-23T20:42:56.377" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15463" PostId="5246" Score="0" Text="Agreed, the Questions and answers still have value regardless of the details." CreationDate="2018-05-23T14:35:45.237" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15476" PostId="5248" Score="1" Text="Thanks. It's entirely possible that people just smashed the close button in the review queue for sure. I definitely recall one close vote *before* the edit, but I guess that was the nail in the coffin for some people. I think reviewers on Stack Exchange tend to be a bit trigger happy at times..." CreationDate="2018-05-25T14:35:00.353" UserId="22895" />
  <row Id="15477" PostId="5248" Score="2" Text="Now reopened..." CreationDate="2018-05-25T14:45:46.707" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15478" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="Is this a workplace question or a domain-specific question? I don't have an opinion, just wondering what people think. Does it belong on Workplace, or a marketing-specific forum?" CreationDate="2018-05-25T19:07:34.627" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15479" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="Giving the volume of software engineering related questions which stay open on this site, allowing questions about other domains would provide some balance." CreationDate="2018-05-25T19:12:09.880" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15480" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="I see questions about KPI's are on topic here, this is kind of like a KPI for the employer." CreationDate="2018-05-25T20:04:38.973" UserId="32037" />
  <row Id="15482" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="@MackM, KPIs compare performance of particular metrics again expected goals. Joel's Test is a set of binary questions about practices within a company. It is more like maturity or capability model. You may well make the same argument about maturity models as you do about KPIs, i.e. they are in-scope." CreationDate="2018-05-25T20:41:32.567" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15483" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="*&quot;Answers to this question could be very useful for people working in the particular industry mentioned.&quot;* - so they can spare the effort to Google it out? I am torn about the reopening of that post, as even though it could prove useful to other domains, it can well be answered by googling around a bit..." CreationDate="2018-05-25T20:42:30.840" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15484" PostId="5249" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus, On this site questions are regularly closed because there require answers based on opinion. That only leaves questions which have answers based in facts, i.e. answers that can be found using Google." CreationDate="2018-05-25T20:47:11.320" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15485" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="@gwp I suggest you take a read at [Good Subjective, Bad Subjective](https://stackoverflow.blog/2010/09/29/good-subjective-bad-subjective/). Not all subjective questions are off-topic." CreationDate="2018-05-25T20:50:11.297" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15487" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus, I would love to post my text as an answer but alas I can't so I did my best to help the questioner." CreationDate="2018-05-25T20:58:08.153" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15488" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus, &quot;Not all subjective questions are off-topic.&quot; I totally agree. It’s a pity that many great subjective questions on this site are closed." CreationDate="2018-05-25T20:58:43.777" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15489" PostId="5249" Score="0" Text="@gwp It's good you tried to help. Although I suggest that you don't make a habit of using comments for that in the future :) comment-answers are really a thing the Community doesn't like much. And yes, many users need to take a read at that Blog post :/" CreationDate="2018-05-25T20:59:42.220" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15490" PostId="5249" Score="1" Text="Let us [continue this discussion in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/78005/discussion-between-gwp-and-darkcygnus)." CreationDate="2018-05-25T21:04:33.683" UserDisplayName="user86764" />
  <row Id="15491" PostId="5249" Score="1" Text="I have voted to reopen. If the question was &quot;what is a simple test to measure the quality of a software development team?&quot;, we would have jumped over each other to write about the Joel Test and a bunch of other tests. I don't see how this question is any different. We also routinely answer questions that can be answered by an internet search engine (especially legal questions), so that isn't a good disqualification criterion either. Remember a question isn't off-topic just because the answer is obvious to us or it is available elsewhere." CreationDate="2018-05-26T00:52:43.917" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15495" PostId="5252" Score="3" Text="Downvoting this meta question doesn't help the user.  Typing stuff in a helpful manner helps the user." CreationDate="2018-05-29T06:01:16.160" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15520" PostId="5252" Score="0" Text="@Snow seems that they keep coming ;/" CreationDate="2018-05-30T16:23:24.207" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15496" PostId="5254" Score="0" Text="+1. Thank you. I edited my post again after pasting your rewrite (but not identically, as I added details)." CreationDate="2018-05-29T13:45:21.030" UserDisplayName="user22656" />
  <row Id="15497" PostId="5254" Score="0" Text="If this won't take too much time, can you please suggest drafts for https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/99203/22656, https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/57435/22656, and https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/86789/22656 too? Please feel free to edit the questions directly. I can't spot what else can be improved?" CreationDate="2018-05-29T13:47:27.200" UserDisplayName="user22656" />
  <row Id="15498" PostId="5254" Score="1" Text="Ok.  The first link you provided was the question we're talking about here.  The second link is the same question (so you can let that drop).  The third link, you just need to follow the **key points** above." CreationDate="2018-05-29T13:54:04.033" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15500" PostId="5254" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I didn't intend [#2](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/57435/22656) to be a duplicate. I reworded it now: can you see the distinction? I also edited [#3](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/86789/22656). Any other areas for improvement?" CreationDate="2018-05-29T19:25:35.623" UserDisplayName="user22656" />
  <row Id="15499" PostId="5255" Score="0" Text="Thanks a lot! +1." CreationDate="2018-05-29T19:01:07.663" UserDisplayName="user22656" />
  <row Id="15501" PostId="5256" Score="7" Text="Wow. Just wow. Never expected that. I’m rather chuffed... well done to the masked one also! And the rest of the candidates,there was some real competition there!" CreationDate="2018-05-29T20:07:47.373" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15505" PostId="5256" Score="4" Text="Told you that you were jinxing it! Congrats you two" CreationDate="2018-05-29T21:24:13.830" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="15507" PostId="5256" Score="4" Text="Congratulations!" CreationDate="2018-05-29T22:26:33.163" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="15511" PostId="5256" Score="1" Text="Congratulations to MaskedMan and Snow. I have had the pleasure of interacting with the former, but I have faith in your talents. Remember the words of Uncle Ben, &quot;With great power comes great responsibility&quot;. Wishing you a satisfying time here. :)" CreationDate="2018-05-30T09:19:12.507" UserId="74069" />
  <row Id="15532" PostId="5256" Score="0" Text="Interesting that the &quot;surplus votes&quot; stage has been reached. It was a rather tight election." CreationDate="2018-06-04T11:58:06.707" UserId="34408" />
  <row Id="15503" PostId="5257" Score="5" Text="Thank you for standing, DarkCygnus and all the other candidates." CreationDate="2018-05-29T20:20:01.517" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15504" PostId="5257" Score="2" Text="No problem @MonicaCellio :) like Snow said, we had some excellent candidates, so TWP was bound to win regardless." CreationDate="2018-05-29T20:22:51.187" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15508" PostId="5257" Score="2" Text="Congratulations, guys!  It was a strong field of candidates, and any one of you would have been a worthy addition to the moderation team.  Thank you all for putting your hand up to help us keep The Workplace the great community it is." CreationDate="2018-05-29T22:38:57.180" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="15509" PostId="5257" Score="2" Text="Thank you sir! I am still shocked as to how things turned out this way. :) It will take me a couple of days to get over the shock and rise up to the challenge." CreationDate="2018-05-29T23:06:18.343" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15512" PostId="5258" Score="1" Text="@paparazzo I don't think it's all that demeaning honestly. If you don't understand LGBT Q+ then this seems like how you'd describe it. Honestly, I don't see why answering this question would be a bad thing. Also, talking to people in the bathroom is not how you just make friends." CreationDate="2018-05-30T13:31:24.217" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15513" PostId="5258" Score="0" Text="The problem is it that I don't understand.   Moving on." CreationDate="2018-05-30T13:34:54.737" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="15514" PostId="5258" Score="0" Text="@paparazzo I'm so confused. Are you saying that's a fundamentally different problem then the ones on this site? Can you not edit the question to be less demeaning at the very least?" CreationDate="2018-05-30T13:37:43.300" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15516" PostId="5258" Score="0" Text="@paparazzo wait do you think that I claimed you didn't understand?? I was talking about people who didn't understand LGBT Q+ not you." CreationDate="2018-05-30T14:26:17.313" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15521" PostId="5261" Score="0" Text="This one IMO is way off topic." CreationDate="2018-05-31T12:58:10.003" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15525" PostId="5263" Score="1" Text="It is important to ask for clarification up to some degree (have you tried...?), but realistically we can't keep asking for clarification forever. At some point answerers have to content with what the question explains and make some assumptions/premises; this is when &quot;Try doing X&quot; could be a valid phrasing, for which OP can clarify in the answer he/she has already done that so the answerer can adapt" CreationDate="2018-06-01T15:44:02.637" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15523" PostId="5264" Score="2" Text="This. When a question doesn't give context, it's best to ask for it in comments (and then either edit the question once they're answered, or suggest the OP edit the answers in). Besides helping you frame up your OWN answer, this will be a benefit to anyone else answering or commenting on the question - it's best to have this info front and center in the original question, versus the worst-case of posting an answer and having the OP comment that they've already tried it." CreationDate="2018-05-31T20:25:58.163" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="15528" PostId="5268" Score="1" Text="Congratulation Masked Man :)" CreationDate="2018-06-03T18:26:46.790" UserDisplayName="user47813" />
  <row Id="15535" PostId="5273" Score="0" Text="The part of &quot;improvements by users&quot; is the one I wonder. I believe that those changes should be incorporated to the answer *if* the answerer seems they are fit. Otherwise that could be conflicting with the author's intent... surely typos, grammar etc is ok, but if some user suggested something that I wouldn't have written that would not be too nice. What do you think about this?" CreationDate="2018-06-05T20:16:07.970" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15536" PostId="5273" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus if the comment doesn't change the intent, add it.  Such as &quot;Widgets are widely marketed in the US and in Canada&quot; and someone points out that they are becoming popular in China too you'd change that to &quot;Widgets are widely marketed in the US, Canada, and have recently grown popular in China as well&quot;" CreationDate="2018-06-05T20:25:15.183" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15537" PostId="5273" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus As said, it's about not changing meaning. As [this main meta](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11474/what-is-the-etiquette-for-modifying-posts) on the topic explains you're improving, not changing answers. Nature of Q vs A means that you will rarely if ever make content changes to answers as they don't end up receiving clarification as often as questions." CreationDate="2018-06-06T07:46:32.740" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15553" PostId="5273" Score="0" Text="*&quot;Care should be taken to edit answers for improvement, not for tone. A question should be edited for tone, as it will affect it's votes and potential answers, but answers are more stand alone.&quot;* - too bad I already +1 this answer." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:29:47.470" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15538" PostId="5275" Score="0" Text="+1 The rule around here is that it doesn't matter if you suspect trolling, treat the question based on its content (or lack thereof in this case)." CreationDate="2018-06-07T12:31:10.963" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15539" PostId="5275" Score="0" Text="@DavidK yeah, but if the question isn't serious, it should be deleted, as opposed to just closed." CreationDate="2018-06-07T13:10:33.093" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15540" PostId="5275" Score="0" Text="@Crossedtheriverstyx Yes, but how do you determine what is and isn't serious? I think it's likely the OP of this question is being completely serious - they just have a poor grasp of English and are not clearly communicating their problem." CreationDate="2018-06-07T16:18:12.907" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15541" PostId="5275" Score="0" Text="@DavidK The most obvious cases are just that, and there are clear indicators, as outlined above.  Poor English, is one thing, a new user, is one thing, neglecting feedback is one thing.  Combined, it's a clear example.  So, I guess what determines what is serious is the number of red flags.  This one has more than the Chinese government had on display during the olympics" CreationDate="2018-06-07T17:14:24.713" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15776" PostId="5276" Score="2" Text="... no it dosn't. you have misread the OP post entirely. It doesn't call people who take software freedom seriously &quot;zealots&quot;. It says that *people who are software freedom zealots* might feel differently - ie people who take software freedom seriously *and are zealous in this endeavour*." CreationDate="2018-07-04T08:49:12.727" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="17813" PostId="5276" Score="0" Text="Maybe don't push your worldview onto others and you won't have this problem. IMO, copyleft &quot;freedom&quot; is not freedom, but restriction. BSD/MIT are truly &quot;free&quot; license IMO. Not everyone agrees with me. But I don't have the right to go edit answers that mention GPL to push that opinion." CreationDate="2019-02-16T01:38:39.553" UserId="81855" />
  <row Id="15542" PostId="5277" Score="0" Text="It's not about worldview, the answer in its current form is outright offensive. And if you take a look at the (moved) comments, it's not only me who noticed this." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:18:04.347" UserId="16978" />
  <row Id="15543" PostId="5277" Score="5" Text="If you don't like the tone of a post, flag it for a moderator.  Edits are not for tone policing" CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:19:36.550" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15544" PostId="5277" Score="0" Text="@SargeBorsch I can see where your coming from, but you should flag the post in this case IMO." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:20:38.303" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15546" PostId="5277" Score="0" Text="@Neo well that's what I did in the end." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:21:44.173" UserId="16978" />
  <row Id="15545" PostId="5278" Score="0" Text="From style — yes, absolutely. But style is not the intent." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:21:13.457" UserId="16978" />
  <row Id="15547" PostId="5278" Score="0" Text="@SargeBorsch I think I wrote &quot;Style **and** intent&quot;... the author wanted to stress that part by using that word. Sometimes, intent *can be* expressed by style." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:23:34.407" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15548" PostId="5278" Score="0" Text="Also, it's totally possible to curse and belittle a large group of people without using even a single dedicated cursing word." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:23:36.820" UserId="16978" />
  <row Id="15549" PostId="5278" Score="0" Text="@SargeBorsch TWP is a full contact sport.  If you look at some of my answers, or especially Kilisi's answers, you'll find them to be full of style that expresses our opinions clearly.  Someone once asked if they should put an aimbot on their resume.  I said if I ever saw an aimbot on a resume, I'd burn the resume and use the ashes to fertilize the local poison ivy." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:26:58.803" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15550" PostId="5278" Score="0" Text="@Crossedtheriverstyx and _that_ is not even offensive. It doesn't even come close to ad hominem. I actually think your answer is completely fine. (regardless of whether I would do the same or not)" CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:27:48.100" UserId="16978" />
  <row Id="15551" PostId="5278" Score="0" Text="@SargeBorsch added a pic from the Review Process that clearly indicates one should reject those edits that deviate from the author's intent and goals." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:28:06.417" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15552" PostId="5278" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus I saw it (of course; I can read). I just thought that deliberately offending people is not a valid goal." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:29:21.480" UserId="16978" />
  <row Id="15554" PostId="5278" Score="2" Text="@SargeBorsch yes, deliberately offending people should not be anyone's goal. I think that for you this word may appear strong, but for others may not. Philip gave a great insight on his answer, and the zealot word although perhaps &quot;strong&quot; was given to emphasize the importance of that situation, and the fact that us IT folks should adapt to a world that is not yet completely tolerant on LaTex and other modern tools... if you just read that word and not the rest of that valuable answer then I urge you to read it again, and not to make such a molehill of a single non-curse word." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:33:42.710" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15555" PostId="5278" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus LaTeX is not really that modern. And I have read the whole answer and while I see the point, it's really unnecessarily offensive IMO. (But I got, after a while, that this should be treated with flags and not edits)" CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:35:18.043" UserId="16978" />
  <row Id="15556" PostId="5278" Score="2" Text="@SargeBorsch seems that you again just read the &quot;modern&quot; word of my long comment :/ ... I agree that it's not the nicest word, but again this was a sound advise and that word makes the reader consider it more strongly (sometimes we need a little shake to get a message, and this one is IMO not unfriendly). If you have problems you can flag the post, or DV it, or why not ping the author asking to reconsider the use of such word? If you wish to further discuss this feel free to ping me in [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler)" CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:38:07.517" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15557" PostId="5278" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus I pinged the author actually. Then the comments were simply deleted. I have read your comment in full, sorry if that's not apparent, but I answered to those parts for which I have something to say." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:39:19.290" UserId="16978" />
  <row Id="15589" PostId="5278" Score="3" Text="@Sarge The first set of comments were moved because of the excessive arguments. Further argumentative comments were deleted. Comments should be only used to seek clarification or suggest improvement, not for arguments. Your now deleted comment complaining about loaded words was itself quite confrontational using loaded words like &quot;unnecessary bloated software&quot; and &quot;people ... who understand the values of freedom&quot;. Politely asking the OP to make changes would have probably been a better strategy than passive aggressively suggesting edits *after* arguing with the OP in the comments." CreationDate="2018-06-09T16:53:33.587" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15558" PostId="5280" Score="1" Text="I think you misspelled *answers* and wrote *questions* instead...? but yeah, I agree with this. We should focus our love and edits to questions instead, answers usually require less edits or improvements, and should be up to the author" CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:44:20.243" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15559" PostId="5280" Score="1" Text="No, it is not a typo.  Unless it falls into the categories I mentioned, we should leave the editing of the questions to the OP.   I guess you could say the same for answers too." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:49:22.720" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15560" PostId="5280" Score="0" Text="I see, so you say we should edit Qs and As by the same standards and goals in mind. Naturally I guess that Qs are more prone to need such edits in first place..." CreationDate="2018-06-08T16:51:33.633" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15561" PostId="5280" Score="0" Text="I ,maintain that tone is important.  More than once, I've removed ranty bits and the Qs have gone from negative and about to be closed to positive" CreationDate="2018-06-08T17:10:37.813" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15562" PostId="5280" Score="0" Text="@Crossedtheriverstyx No one will argue removing blatant negative stuff.  But in general the OP should do it, not us.  Tone in most cases is subjective, especially text." CreationDate="2018-06-08T17:12:58.513" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15563" PostId="5280" Score="1" Text="@Neo I'm talking about fairly extreme cases, obviously.  I think I've only stepped in two or three times to do that.  All with positive results though" CreationDate="2018-06-08T17:35:42.587" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15564" PostId="5282" Score="1" Text="Related https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5276/73791 ... seems that the post was even flagged as &quot;offensive/spam&quot;" CreationDate="2018-06-08T18:34:46.323" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15565" PostId="5282" Score="1" Text="Ridiculous.  Change Z to F and move on.  Someone is into their feelings a bit I think." CreationDate="2018-06-08T18:38:11.873" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15573" PostId="5282" Score="0" Text="I don't know about the answer, but I thought we had a close reason (I mean 2 close reasons, or actually 3, maybe 4) for questions like that. Y'all confuse me." CreationDate="2018-06-08T19:39:37.353" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15574" PostId="5282" Score="5" Text="It takes at least three rude/abusive flags to delete an answer. This is [exactly what you told another user to do.](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5276/the-answer-authors-disagreement-is-now-enough-to-reject-an-edit-an-edit-rejec#comment15544_5277)" CreationDate="2018-06-08T20:03:22.633" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15585" PostId="5282" Score="18" Text="I don't even see what is wrong with the word zealot, voted to undelete" CreationDate="2018-06-09T00:10:12.637" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="15586" PostId="5282" Score="1" Text="Final vote to un delete cast." CreationDate="2018-06-09T03:26:19.500" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15671" PostId="5282" Score="1" Text="@DavidK actually 6." CreationDate="2018-06-20T13:30:01.217" UserId="9787" />
  <row Id="15774" PostId="5282" Score="1" Text="there is nothing wrong with the word &quot;zealot&quot;, nobody should or could be offended by it." CreationDate="2018-07-04T08:19:46.880" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15775" PostId="5283" Score="4" Text="*how* is zealot a controversial word??? i'm pretty left wing, but I'm not sure that the community should be bowing to random internet strangers claiming offense over a normal word." CreationDate="2018-07-04T08:20:54.847" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15575" PostId="5285" Score="4" Text="How did you calibrated and characterized your offensotometer? Maybe it's a 3 for you, and maybe an *1* for me... but perhaps I woke up today more tolerant than other days" CreationDate="2018-06-08T21:20:27.597" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15576" PostId="5285" Score="2" Text="I don't trust an offensotometer unless its calibration record is NIST traceable. As a free software zealot, that answer was at least 5!" CreationDate="2018-06-08T21:47:34.710" UserId="45195" />
  <row Id="15577" PostId="5285" Score="6" Text="@DarkCygnus I've spent a few decades gathering data and continuously training it on the most complex neural network ever made. The data and training parameters are unfortunately both proprietary and not in an easy distributable format." CreationDate="2018-06-08T22:05:40.047" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15584" PostId="5285" Score="5" Text="To be fair to Philip, the question was significantly toned down after he wrote his answer. The original version of the question read like the OP was ... rigid about his choice, and wanted the rest of the world to adapt to his choice." CreationDate="2018-06-09T00:03:50.653" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15587" PostId="5285" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan Two wrongs don't make a right..." CreationDate="2018-06-09T12:23:59.453" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15588" PostId="5285" Score="1" Text="I don't think either of them was &quot;wrong&quot;. The OP's original question suggested a bit of a ... uhm, let's say attitude problem (&quot;I have my resume in LaTeX, recruiter wants Word file. How to deal with them?&quot;), Philip's brusque tone was somewhat of a bitter pill necessary to fix that. The OP did significantly tone down the question, which may or may not be the result of the answer, of course. That aside, there wasn't much wrong with the answer, except for the Z-word, which too is a borderline case IMHO." CreationDate="2018-06-09T15:38:54.717" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15616" PostId="5285" Score="0" Text="I was offended, but not by the word Zealot." CreationDate="2018-06-12T16:03:31.163" UserId="29374" />
  <row Id="15643" PostId="5285" Score="3" Text="I think this answer sums up the mentality pretty well.  I don't agree with any of it mind you. In my opinion people are far too sensitive, and typically take great pleasure in taking offense.  Righteous Indignation and White Knighting are favorite pastimes on the Internet and SE is no exception." CreationDate="2018-06-13T17:10:00.257" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15644" PostId="5285" Score="1" Text="If you let anything under your skin with a score less than 4/10 on offensotometer you need to toughen up buttercup." CreationDate="2018-06-13T17:12:44.163" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15645" PostId="5285" Score="1" Text="@Lumberjack That's probably also about a 3/10, or maybe a 2.5/10." CreationDate="2018-06-13T17:28:39.683" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15646" PostId="5285" Score="1" Text="@Dukeling I'm sure you're right.  I'm walking around at a solid 2/10 baseline, even when I'm holding my breath." CreationDate="2018-06-13T17:40:11.247" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15578" PostId="5286" Score="1" Text="Understandable, thanks for removing the lock. I believe the answer has potential given the mentioned word is edited. Voted to Undelete, and edited to remove such word :)" CreationDate="2018-06-08T23:18:59.960" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15579" PostId="5286" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus do you think the other parts that come across as condescending/insulting can be improved?" CreationDate="2018-06-08T23:22:02.843" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15580" PostId="5286" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I'll try to give them some love, without interfering with the intention of the author to give a strong but valid answer... The Z word is now gone, perhaps what could be changed is the &quot;Your entire post at the moment...&quot;. The rest I would leave it be" CreationDate="2018-06-08T23:23:36.637" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15581" PostId="5286" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio and Jane, took another edit to the post and softened that part... mind checking it? I think it's ok now for when the Community decides to undelete it." CreationDate="2018-06-08T23:38:30.310" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15582" PostId="5286" Score="4" Text="@DarkCygnus I think your edits are good, they retain the intent but reduce the intensity.  I guess from here it's a case of wait and see if it gets flag deleted again." CreationDate="2018-06-08T23:41:20.097" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="15583" PostId="5286" Score="2" Text="@DarkCygnus those edits address the problems I see.  Thanks." CreationDate="2018-06-08T23:43:16.043" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15593" PostId="5287" Score="2" Text="Makes perfect sense to me that I should have the right to decide both content and style of anything that has my name as the author.  If an edit remains that I do not approve of, then I am no longer the author." CreationDate="2018-06-09T21:14:04.907" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="15599" PostId="5287" Score="4" Text="@WGroleau same, if I wrote zealot, then I meant 'zealot' not fan or anything else." CreationDate="2018-06-10T04:10:42.537" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="15590" PostId="5288" Score="3" Text="You can argue 'til you're blue in the face that something *shouldn't* be offensive (and I can probably argue that it is, if I felt so inclined), but that wouldn't change the fact that some people *use* it as an insult and some people *are* offended by it (which can also be concluded from this whole incident)." CreationDate="2018-06-09T18:33:47.363" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15591" PostId="5288" Score="9" Text="then they use that to establish censorship.There's no argument.Anyone can claim to be offended by anything.That must not grant the right to dictate people how and what to speak in a free society.Offensive words and speech can be largely quantified and categorized objectively by linguists.It's not up to the individual.Degrees of severity of offense are ignored.Meltdowns and fear of controversy/backlash on critical or challenging words/concepts stifle civilized discourse.This is exactly why it took generations to fight for freedom of speech and why every generation needs to continue to fight." CreationDate="2018-06-09T20:17:28.627" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="15594" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="The fundamental difference in opinion over whether we should be invalidating the feelings of others, or whether websites are allowed to have rules about what can be said on them, doesn't seem constructive to argue over." CreationDate="2018-06-09T21:38:48.000" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15595" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling I'd be inclined to agree.One might argue,that's why freedom of speech has been established in the first place.So that anyone may speak their mind without fear of persecution or bodily harm.Sadly at the same time,if a website(read community,read society,read government) enforces or tolerates biased interpretations of rules or rules violating principles of freedom and equality THAT is exactly what needs to be discussed.Also,it is not about hurting or invalidating feelings.It is about appropriate response to true infractions vs perceived ones and the education on what really offense is." CreationDate="2018-06-09T22:12:19.920" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="15618" PostId="5288" Score="3" Text="@Dukeling I'm offended at your use of the word &quot;some&quot;.  I found it quite insulting.  Should I flag your comment?" CreationDate="2018-06-12T17:21:31.617" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15623" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="My first comment may have taken the wrong approach @Crossedtheriverstyx. The answer has an argument that people are expected to have thick skins because the world is cruel, not that there's nothing offensive in the post. There's also a point that it should not be deletable via only a few flags, not that it shouldn't be deleted at all nor that there's no basis for the flags. It's also arguing well for the negative connotation of &quot;zealot&quot;, implying the word may have been used in a demeaning and condescending way with an intention to offend, and saying offensiveness isn't black and white." CreationDate="2018-06-12T19:01:08.970" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15624" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="The argument of &quot;the answer is fine because you'll find so much worse in other places&quot; is like saying &quot;assault is fine because there are so many murderers out there&quot;." CreationDate="2018-06-12T19:07:36.123" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15626" PostId="5288" Score="3" Text="@Dukeling no, that's not what is being said at all.  What is being said is that the right of way should not go to the one with the thinnest  skin" CreationDate="2018-06-12T22:37:29.483" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15628" PostId="5288" Score="0" Text="@Crossedtheriverstyx Which part(s) of my comment(s) are you saying is &quot;not what is being said at all&quot;? &quot;The right of way should not go to the one with the thinnest skin&quot; sounds exactly like (depending on what exactly you mean) either (a) people are expected to have thick skins here or (b) we shouldn't just let people delete whatever offends them, both of which are already contained in my earlier comments. My point was that those points don't have much to do with whether or not this answer is fine, and the part that is about that makes a better argument for the other side (IMO)." CreationDate="2018-06-13T00:18:18.063" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15660" PostId="5288" Score="3" Text="I wholeheartedly approve both stances - that the use of words like &quot;zealot&quot; or other characterizations is both unnecessary AND should be perfectly OK to use without people flagging it. This is not a freedom of speech issue though - that only applies and limits the power of government. SE is not a govt body - and can safely censor whatever SE wants. My argument is; we do not want to censor this - if we trim the people interested in making contributions down to a select group who are masters at not offending people, we are making SE worse.." CreationDate="2018-06-15T08:53:21.387" UserId="57573" />
  <row Id="16103" PostId="5288" Score="1" Text="Perhaps we should be offended at the words 'thick skinned'... we shouldn't be judging people based on their skin surely? Or even grouping them by skin? Or even for that matter bringing their skin into the conversation at all?" CreationDate="2018-08-08T09:19:25.310" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16104" PostId="5288" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi indeed. This shows unfortunately how even the most well meaning intent can become a disruptive slippery slope if not kept in check and within reason.&quot;The path to hell is paved with good intentions.&quot; comes to mind..." CreationDate="2018-08-08T09:28:51.677" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="15598" PostId="5289" Score="0" Text="why the downvotes?" CreationDate="2018-06-09T23:31:17.947" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="15600" PostId="5289" Score="4" Text="See [why can people edit my posts?](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/editing).  Editing is part of the model." CreationDate="2018-06-10T04:20:20.140" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15601" PostId="5289" Score="1" Text="fair enough, I'm new to the site and begin to understand this is not a forum." CreationDate="2018-06-10T06:15:27.287" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="15602" PostId="5289" Score="2" Text="@DigitalBlade969 Since you say you are new, I'd also recommend taking a look at our [tour] and [help]. Hopefully they can help explain a little better how things work around here. Welcome!" CreationDate="2018-06-11T12:00:03.313" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15603" PostId="5290" Score="0" Text="If I could have voted to close and selected that it belongs on another site (*and the specific site*) I would have." CreationDate="2018-06-11T18:12:08.103" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15607" PostId="5290" Score="0" Text="I also suggest that you create a separate post if you plan to ask for a feature request, as this doesn't read like one (it's more support or discussion)... do you want new targets for migration? if that is true then it could be the basis for a request" CreationDate="2018-06-11T18:35:21.963" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15608" PostId="5290" Score="0" Text="I removed the feature request tag on this question, but yes, I can craft a separate request for that." CreationDate="2018-06-11T18:45:46.953" UserId="17404" />
  <row Id="15604" PostId="5291" Score="0" Text="I see. Not going to lie, from a systems perspective this seems silly and counter-intuitive. Despite what the comments said, the system sends the message to the OP needs to manually transfer, at least until a mod steps in to resolve the issue. On top of that, flagging &quot;other&quot; instead of choosing other options seems to be something that we (the voting users) have to know, and not something that is very intuitive." CreationDate="2018-06-11T18:21:57.193" UserId="17404" />
  <row Id="15605" PostId="5291" Score="0" Text="But those concerns seem more appropriate for SE Meta, and not Workplace Meta, I suppose." CreationDate="2018-06-11T18:22:47.380" UserId="17404" />
  <row Id="15606" PostId="5291" Score="0" Text="@panoptical yeah, it's not that intuitive, and also not swift enough so posts don't get DV-ted to hell and make it almost impossible to make a comeback. Our mods have to manually do the migration, create accounts for the people that commented/answered, etc, etc... not a straightforward task, but SE ways are not always 100% clear. Yes, you could try raising it on Meta SE, but I first suggest you pitch the idea here on a separate post regarding the target sites, and also join us on [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/3060/the-water-cooler) to chew it a bit so you get better reception" CreationDate="2018-06-11T18:28:25.017" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15610" PostId="5291" Score="0" Text="@panoptical StackExchange software and policies are not exactly the gold standard of intuitive. :)" CreationDate="2018-06-12T02:53:35.133" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15611" PostId="5292" Score="2" Text="What a bizarrely off-topic conversation in the comments there. Hopefully a mod comes and cleans them up. Comments are for suggesting improvements to answers, not off-topic conversations/arguments." CreationDate="2018-06-12T05:55:16.377" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="15612" PostId="5292" Score="1" Text="@V2Blast - It's not off-topic at all.  It started out with cultural defamation, which I attributed to ignorance, and attempted to address, but it turned out to be much more than that.  If the comments were deleted, the cultural defamation would remain.  Would you suggest editing the answer to remove it?" CreationDate="2018-06-12T05:56:17.670" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="15613" PostId="5292" Score="8" Text="@WesleyLong I can understand how you feel about the word cowboy being used in a negative light. However, right or wrong, it looks like solarflare (OP of that answer) isn't the first person to use that term, as an internet search of &quot;cowboy coding&quot; shows. As such, I wonder if can we work to establish a reasonable middle ground that is acceptable to both of you? On a personal note, I find the term &quot;code monkeys&quot; similarly offensive given that I have a pet monkey who is far more creative and intelligent than what &quot;monkey&quot; implies in &quot;code monkey&quot;." CreationDate="2018-06-12T07:10:43.127" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15615" PostId="5292" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - in the first half of the 20th century, entire nations practiced segregation, and it was codified in law.  Still wasn't right.  Not saying this is even in the same ballpark, but it being in common use doesn't make it right." CreationDate="2018-06-12T15:55:14.730" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="15617" PostId="5292" Score="1" Text="@WesleyLong I certainly don't think any kind of stereotyping is &quot;right&quot;, regardless of it being in common use or not. Nonetheless, an opposite argument could also be made: the user just used a term in common use, with no intention of offending. (Although in this particular case, the followup comments from the OP tend to suggest otherwise.)" CreationDate="2018-06-12T17:01:52.213" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15625" PostId="5292" Score="1" Text="Thank you for commenting to try to educate the user.  (Being a city kid I didn't know either.)  Given that the phrase really wasn't adding anything, it would have also been fine to just make the edit that another mod made." CreationDate="2018-06-12T21:40:45.543" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15627" PostId="5292" Score="6" Text="Please refrain from publicly calling me a bigot." CreationDate="2018-06-12T23:08:28.143" UserId="76870" />
  <row Id="15630" PostId="5293" Score="2" Text="Thank you.  It is much appreciated." CreationDate="2018-06-13T00:32:40.223" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="15619" PostId="5294" Score="2" Text="Recommended reading: [When voting to migrate an off-topic question, why is the list of sites limited?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/79960/332286)" CreationDate="2018-06-12T18:19:14.867" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15620" PostId="5294" Score="0" Text="Even if we could add more migration options (which I'm pretty sure has been discussed and declined in the past), I know for certain that Beta sites are not to be included in migration lists." CreationDate="2018-06-12T18:27:24.953" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15636" PostId="5298" Score="5" Text="per my reading of [this announcement](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/310908/165773) we have no say in this. They plan that on September all Stack Exchange sites will be like that: &quot;July - September: release to the remaining sites. As we have more details we will update individual communities in their local meta.&quot;" CreationDate="2018-06-13T13:04:02.093" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15637" PostId="5298" Score="4" Text="Also per that announcement, individual users can choose to disable the sidebar. I just tried it on Meta and it worked." CreationDate="2018-06-13T13:11:06.850" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15650" PostId="5299" Score="4" Text="&quot; It is often used as a pejorative by Americans living on the coastlines to disparage people in the heartland of the US.&quot; - it is? I have lived on one of the coastlines my whole life and I can honestly say I've never heard that term used in any kind of disparagement. I'll keep a lookout for it going forward though, and try to discern the context." CreationDate="2018-06-13T20:33:59.997" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="15651" PostId="5299" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'm on the east coast and I hear it.  But it's one of those things where context matters, I'll edit for clarity" CreationDate="2018-06-13T20:55:27.440" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15654" PostId="5299" Score="0" Text="It's the term &quot;often used&quot; that confuses me. I live on the east coast and as I say I've never seen this happen. Maybe it often happens in some specific east coast locales and not others? I think your answer would be better if you softened the second sentence." CreationDate="2018-06-14T10:13:59.320" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="15675" PostId="5299" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere https://able2know.org/topic/140713-1" CreationDate="2018-06-21T17:57:46.810" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15685" PostId="5299" Score="0" Text="As these things often go, in some contexts some folks will find a term offensive. There are plenty of songs and stories where people call themselves &quot;this old cowboy&quot; in non-derogatory ways. As I said, I've never personally witnessed someone use the term in a derogatory way. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just not what I've ever seen." CreationDate="2018-06-25T14:38:17.750" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="15647" PostId="5300" Score="1" Text="I'm not speaking for Wesley but I will point out that the stereotype of the [cowboy coder](http://wiki.c2.com/?CowboyCoder) presents cowboys in a very negative way." CreationDate="2018-06-13T19:07:05.660" UserId="87542" />
  <row Id="15648" PostId="5300" Score="1" Text="as maskedman said in the comments, and as I mentioned in my answer, the **WAY** it's used makes all the difference.  IF it's used as a synonym for toughness and a &quot;take the bulls by the horns&quot; attitude, it's as you noted.  If it's used as a synonym for unsophisticated, uncouth,  wild, undisciplined, ignorant, or unintelligent, it's an insult.  The implication was the former.  Given the deleted comments and the user's response in here, I dare say that to draw the inference that it was indeed the former is reasonable." CreationDate="2018-06-13T19:28:48.577" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15652" PostId="5300" Score="1" Text="@Lumberjack the more I think about it the more I agree with you.  I dont think &quot;cowboy&quot; is meant to be used to describe stupidity but more so braveness and toughness.  Especially toughness.  Think of City Slickers, that kind of thing." CreationDate="2018-06-13T22:59:51.697" UserId="76870" />
  <row Id="15674" PostId="5300" Score="1" Text="Cowboy also means &quot;reckless&quot;, btwhttps://able2know.org/topic/140713-1 @solarflare" CreationDate="2018-06-21T17:57:34.313" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15679" PostId="5300" Score="0" Text="@DonThermidor_LobsterMobster *cough*I know*cough*" CreationDate="2018-06-22T00:01:42.030" UserId="76870" />
  <row Id="15680" PostId="5300" Score="0" Text="@solarflare so, you  knowingly disparaged a people." CreationDate="2018-06-22T01:05:34.900" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15681" PostId="5300" Score="0" Text="I was only trying to disparage the people I worked with by using a common term used to define recklessness.  To be honest I wasnt even thinking about real cattle drivers. Can we stop being snowflakes getting offended by everything? Because I'm really offended that I'm being targeted like this." CreationDate="2018-06-22T01:11:30.907" UserId="76870" />
  <row Id="15655" PostId="5301" Score="0" Text="I agree completely VTRO" CreationDate="2018-06-14T13:34:35.733" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15656" PostId="5303" Score="8" Text="Agreed, and on the flip side we have questions like [this one](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/114060/are-there-any-computer-engineering-science-jobs-that-dont-require-programming-a) which are being received surprisingly well. If it weren't about the software industry, it would have been closed almost immediately." CreationDate="2018-06-14T17:14:20.117" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15657" PostId="5303" Score="0" Text="To be fair, I'd probably also vote to close a question like &quot;Does a Senior Software Engineer role require a graduate degree?&quot; or &quot;Does a Senior Software Engineer need to mentor juniors?&quot; for the same reason (because it's **role-specific**) (with or without the fact that there are no, or very few, industry-wide definitions or requirements for any given role in the software industry). Can't say I have any clue whether or not such questions are strictly allowed on the site though, which is why I retracted my vote." CreationDate="2018-06-14T20:12:35.990" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15658" PostId="5303" Score="0" Text="I think the reason why it may have been closed as “Company specific” is probably due to the fact that the company’s name was mentioned in the question. It also looks like a company requirement of a 20/20 vision. Just an observation, but I could be wrong." CreationDate="2018-06-14T21:53:00.750" UserId="14620" />
  <row Id="15661" PostId="5303" Score="1" Text="@Annjawn It's a maritime standard and applies to most seafarers, as does hearing.  I first learned about this when I tried to enlist in the USCG when I was 18, and my brother served in the US Navy had to go through screenings as well, but this does not just apply to the military, but to any seafarer.  Again, someone outside of an IT background would know this.  This the point of my question." CreationDate="2018-06-15T13:01:52.190" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15662" PostId="5303" Score="0" Text="@Crossedtheriverstyx “someone outside of an IT background would know this” - Only in the US perhaps and for the rest of the populous it would need some googling. A “country specific” tag or a bit more clarity in the question would’ve helped." CreationDate="2018-06-15T14:05:40.150" UserId="14620" />
  <row Id="15663" PostId="5303" Score="0" Text="@Annjawn the maritime code is international.  The Jones act is specific to the USA, and has different standards, but anyone in shipping or maritime operations knows this, so no, a country specific flag would not know this, because shipping is international, as are cruises." CreationDate="2018-06-15T14:06:14.270" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15664" PostId="5303" Score="0" Text="@Annjawn and that is proving my point.   If we are unfamiliar with a particular industry, we shouldn't flag, or answer, or even comment except for clarification." CreationDate="2018-06-15T14:08:37.317" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15666" PostId="5303" Score="0" Text="I said “tag” not “flag”. A proper tag clarifies and categorizes the question so that it doesn’t get closed like this one. Moreover, the question mentions an Organization by name. I am not arguing, I am just pointing out what might have caused the closure." CreationDate="2018-06-15T20:35:14.583" UserId="14620" />
  <row Id="15667" PostId="5303" Score="0" Text="@Annjawn I'm pretty sure that the word &quot;flag&quot; is above, but I'm dyslexic so the possibility remains that I'm misreading it." CreationDate="2018-06-15T20:36:26.457" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15665" PostId="5307" Score="2" Text="Re-open vote cast.  Edit made it answerable IMO." CreationDate="2018-06-15T17:24:38.323" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="15670" PostId="5313" Score="4" Text="plus a -1 to your rep is a drop in the ocean if you participate here with any regularity" CreationDate="2018-06-18T17:44:25.037" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15676" PostId="5314" Score="0" Text="https://able2know.org/topic/140713-1" CreationDate="2018-06-21T17:58:04.100" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15672" PostId="5315" Score="3" Text="If I may ask, in what way you think it's disruptive? I recall seeing similar examples mentioning SoftwareEngineering.SE, PersonalProductivity.SE, IPS, and even sometimes posts comming from IPS (ever since I joined the site). Was it disruptive back then also?" CreationDate="2018-06-21T16:20:14.043" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15673" PostId="5315" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus when someone, in a comment, puts a link to another site, especially a beta, this could confuse users, ESPECIALLY the ones that haven't been here long.  And we don't want migrations to Beta." CreationDate="2018-06-21T16:21:17.920" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15677" PostId="5315" Score="4" Text="[&quot;Be a bit jealous of your site – don’t blithely turn askers away simply because their question could be asked somewhere else...&quot;](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3167/168)" CreationDate="2018-06-21T18:35:41.600" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15682" PostId="5315" Score="3" Text="flipside is for workplace issues posted on IPS the same people who post these comments will usually suggest to take it to here. whether the site is in beta or not is not really worth considering for that." CreationDate="2018-06-22T08:25:17.837" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="15683" PostId="5315" Score="1" Text="@Magisch  Sure it is.  Why should we send anything to a site that hasn't gotten it's act together yet?" CreationDate="2018-06-22T12:34:44.843" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15684" PostId="5315" Score="0" Text="@DonThermidor_LobsterMobster Definitions of that are going to vary. Beta or non beta is increasingly just a label. I don't disagree that most of the suggested migrations to IPS are bogus (quality and asking standards there rarely allow for these) but the beta tag itself isn't a justification. There are sites well out of beta with more problems." CreationDate="2018-06-22T12:37:09.057" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="15687" PostId="5318" Score="1" Text="I think making the examples TWP-specific would be a great idea... will work on some phrasings when I get some time" CreationDate="2018-06-25T16:24:02.230" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15857" PostId="5318" Score="0" Text="So... any updates on this? Seems that the post didn't get much attention, nor did the wording I suggested (except for IDrink's edit)" CreationDate="2018-07-09T18:09:09.893" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15688" PostId="5320" Score="7" Text="This is great, thank you!" CreationDate="2018-06-26T00:40:19.423" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15689" PostId="5320" Score="0" Text="Sounds promising, since when will this changes take effect? (I'm on mobile, so can't check if they are live)" CreationDate="2018-06-26T04:52:00.370" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15691" PostId="5320" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus The change is already live on the main site. I can see the change from the mobile browser as well (though in this case, I don't think the change is device-specific)." CreationDate="2018-06-26T06:13:07.030" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15692" PostId="5320" Score="0" Text="Will check tomorrow @MaskedMan :)" CreationDate="2018-06-26T06:17:42.117" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15694" PostId="5320" Score="1" Text="I noticed that here on meta comment prompt under question says &quot;suggest improvements&quot; while under answers it is &quot;add a comment&quot;. As for main site, prompts under both questions and answers say &quot;suggest improvements&quot;. Wonder if this is working as intended. Also given the title of this post it would be great if cross in the icon of deleting one's comment would change to rose" CreationDate="2018-06-26T07:19:18.197" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15695" PostId="5320" Score="3" Text="@gnat The meta shows &quot;add a comment&quot; for both questions and answers. Maybe you got confused by shog's screenshot? Discussion in comments is ok on meta, since there usually needs to be some back-and-forth for people to arrive at a consensus. I like your other idea of changing the cross to a rose." CreationDate="2018-06-26T07:38:22.340" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15696" PostId="5320" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan great catch, thank you! I was indeed confused by a screen shot. Indeed, &quot;add comment&quot; at meta makes good sense" CreationDate="2018-06-26T07:41:47.357" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15698" PostId="5320" Score="1" Text="Thank you I have been thinking something like this would be beneficial." CreationDate="2018-06-26T15:56:51.250" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15699" PostId="5320" Score="0" Text="I would also suggest reconsidering this that received a warm reception when suggested 2 years ago. [Can we make the policy “Be Nice and Helpful”](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3849/16)" CreationDate="2018-06-26T16:21:01.043" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15716" PostId="5320" Score="7" Text="Back in 2014, there was a lot of discussion about &quot;Our Comments Problem&quot;. A few of us suggested that the label was at least partly to blame. Glad to see someone finally decided to change the label. https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2748/our-comments-problem" CreationDate="2018-06-26T22:23:08.407" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="15723" PostId="5320" Score="2" Text="I'd love to see this network wide. Too many people think comments are a space for discussion, and the UI itself saying something else would help a lot." CreationDate="2018-06-27T18:54:44.873" UserId="37918" />
  <row Id="15724" PostId="5320" Score="7" Text="Just FYI:  The link to expand the collapsed &quot;suggestions&quot; still says &quot;Show X more comments.&quot;" CreationDate="2018-06-27T19:53:49.717" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="15748" PostId="5320" Score="7" Text="Edits title to *This one weird trick fixed comments! Tim Post hates it!*" CreationDate="2018-06-29T12:37:55.647" UserId="71403" />
  <row Id="15690" PostId="5321" Score="4" Text="Agreed. A little commentary often helps and brings about new and possibly better answers. I dont know why this site is trying to be like wikipedia." CreationDate="2018-06-26T04:55:33.037" UserId="76870" />
  <row Id="15693" PostId="5321" Score="4" Text="&quot;Commentary&quot; that leads to helping and novelty is suggesting improvement. Comments that just throw up opinions aren't desirable and should be discouraged, as is the apparent effect." CreationDate="2018-06-26T06:44:35.020" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="15697" PostId="5321" Score="18" Text="&quot;*I question the wisdom of nerfing the ability for this forum to work like a forum (and instead, a bunch of answers).*&quot; - Except SE is explicitly *not* a forum and is supposed to be just questions and answers. Go to every single [tour] and that is practically the first thing you see." CreationDate="2018-06-26T12:17:35.707" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15707" PostId="5321" Score="6" Text="@DavidK sure, But *comments are part of the dialogue*. Look, I get some purists want a &quot;q and a ONLY site&quot;. Every other human being wants dialogue. Curtailing dialogue - while true to the *spirit* of the site, is just a stupid idea. WHy on earth would you put effort into *reducing* usage, into *reducing* interaction?" CreationDate="2018-06-26T18:46:46.487" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15710" PostId="5321" Score="14" Text="&quot;I'm not sure if this will work as you think.&quot; - The point of running an experiment is to collect some actual data rather than just speculating." CreationDate="2018-06-26T19:51:27.097" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15712" PostId="5321" Score="4" Text="@bharal It doesn't really matter if 90% of the visitors wants a dialogue - Stack Exchange is created _just because_ everyone wants to &quot;help&quot;. That's what breaks every other type of forum. We need to remove _discussion_ from the _discussion forum_ to make it work." CreationDate="2018-06-26T20:16:09.623" UserId="45195" />
  <row Id="15714" PostId="5321" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio and the point of mentioning it on meta is to speculate and discuss, right?" CreationDate="2018-06-26T20:27:31.723" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15715" PostId="5321" Score="9" Text="@bharal the point of mentioning it on meta is to announce the change so we don't get meta questions asking &quot;hey, what happened to comments?&quot;.  But that's just a guess, since I can't read Shog's mind." CreationDate="2018-06-26T21:08:17.780" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15718" PostId="5321" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio I just think it's not going to work as intended. I'm not sure why you are implying that's something inappropriate to mention in meta." CreationDate="2018-06-27T16:54:42.627" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15873" PostId="5321" Score="2" Text="I think the military would call this one &quot;incomplete success&quot;" CreationDate="2018-07-10T17:58:43.057" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16045" PostId="5322" Score="0" Text="Maybe it will, but the wording should be altered. I was confused (to the point of asking why my commenting privileges were gone), because I read &quot;suggest improvement&quot; and understood something akin to &quot;edit answer&quot;, which I did not want to do (and thus didn't even try)." CreationDate="2018-07-27T19:23:34.920" UserId="32713" />
  <row Id="16049" PostId="5322" Score="0" Text="@KlaymenDK Since you asked, it doesn't look like the comment you eventually posted on that question was attempting to suggest an improvement?" CreationDate="2018-07-28T00:28:59.133" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="16051" PostId="5322" Score="0" Text="@maskedman no, but its not a full-fledged answer, either." CreationDate="2018-07-28T12:34:10.520" UserId="32713" />
  <row Id="15700" PostId="5324" Score="7" Text="Could you give an example of a comment that you think is germane but not a suggestion for change or request for clarification? I'd recommend you also take a look at this Meta discussion ([What “comments” are not . . .](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not)), and all of the Meta questions on [meta-tag:comments]." CreationDate="2018-06-26T16:23:04.100" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15701" PostId="5324" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Such comments are germane in questions that have the feel of an XY question, but where the X idoes have a valid concrete answer.  IMHO in such cases adding Y as an answer pollutes the answer space and is better off as a comment." CreationDate="2018-06-26T16:33:34.360" UserId="50253" />
  <row Id="15702" PostId="5324" Score="13" Text="In case of XY problems, an ideal answer should explain why this is an XY problem, and provide a solution to the Y problem. Answering the X question, and leaving the Y solution in comments is not the way to go about it." CreationDate="2018-06-26T17:12:59.437" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15703" PostId="5324" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Here is a a summary of a Travel question illustrating what I mean.  OP: &quot;I want to take a ferry from A to B because I hate flying, but I can't find any current service&quot;.  Various answers of &quot;The ferry service A to B stopped in 1908&quot;.  But if I know that the OP could book passage on a cargo ship instead, this is not an answer to his question as his question is about not being able to find a ferry service.  Adding it as a comment would be germane as it addresses how to get from A to B without flying, but is not what the OP is asking about." CreationDate="2018-06-26T17:30:16.443" UserId="50253" />
  <row Id="15704" PostId="5324" Score="7" Text="@PeterM I disagree. In that example, the correct answer should state &quot;Ferry service stopped in 1908. However, as an alternative you can book passage on a cargo ship. [detail...]&quot; This is similar to our policy on [&quot;Don't do that!&quot; answers](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2321/when-asked-how-can-i-foo-the-bar-is-dont-foo-the-bar-an-appropriate-answer). You can tell people not to do what is being suggested, so long as you provide an alternative solution." CreationDate="2018-06-26T17:39:12.657" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15705" PostId="5324" Score="1" Text="@DavidK That may be so but when 10 other people have already answered that &quot;Ferry service stopped in 1908&quot; I believe that my additional answer with &quot;but..&quot; will add to the noise.   But at this point its all moot and I will point out the irony of this discussion not adhering to the desire to purge all non-suggestion comments.  It's as if there is a class of comment that is not extraneous, yet is still germane to a topic." CreationDate="2018-06-26T17:52:09.300" UserId="50253" />
  <row Id="15706" PostId="5324" Score="15" Text="@PeterM There is no irony. We are on Meta, and [the rules here are different from the main site](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/whats-meta). Discussion is encouraged here" CreationDate="2018-06-26T18:04:51.683" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15747" PostId="5324" Score="2" Text="@PeterM The goal should ideally be to help the OP, not to answer the question as asked. Usually those two overlap, but sometimes the OP just phrases their question wrongly which doesn't reflect their actual issue." CreationDate="2018-06-29T10:09:47.450" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15922" PostId="5324" Score="1" Text="Related situation I exposed in [this answer](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5409/73791)" CreationDate="2018-07-17T20:58:01.227" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15708" PostId="5325" Score="0" Text="This really doesn't have anything to do with the main post aside from both being about comments." CreationDate="2018-06-26T19:46:45.230" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15709" PostId="5325" Score="10" Text="Seems like an awful lot of folks are able to successfully critique answers using comments... Maybe you're just not good at it?" CreationDate="2018-06-26T19:49:24.540" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="15711" PostId="5325" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 There are also an awful lot of folks who leave comments that end up getting deleted (for the &quot;was never useful&quot; reason). And I'm sure plenty of people are happy only downvoting in cases when doing so does essentially nothing. And maybe my superior aptitude for logic and reasoning allows me to often see things the majority of people miss. And maybe others are happy just ignoring a clearly incorrect answer." CreationDate="2018-06-26T19:57:09.367" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="15713" PostId="5325" Score="0" Text="@DavidK &quot;this is ... about the policy driving this change&quot;." CreationDate="2018-06-26T20:19:52.173" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="15717" PostId="5325" Score="1" Text="@NotThatGuy &quot;and yes, I realise this should probably be posted as a discussion of its own somewhere else.&quot; (now deleted)" CreationDate="2018-06-27T11:44:34.397" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15719" PostId="5325" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Yes, but not &quot;doesn't have anything to do with the main post&quot;." CreationDate="2018-06-27T17:25:35.203" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="15954" PostId="5325" Score="1" Text="The number of comments that &quot;successfully critique&quot; answers are far less than the number of comments that are irrelevant side commentary, jokes and snark, personal anecdotes, bickering and mudslinging, and other off-topic nonsense. Maybe you're just not good at handling criticism, @shog9? :)" CreationDate="2018-07-19T05:06:16.957" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15721" PostId="5326" Score="8" Text="&quot;As an aside - i push for fake questions to be removed because they encourage other fake questions. it wastes the community's time supporting larrakin efforts.&quot; - agreed. It's unfortunate these questions can't be  moved to Reddit, where they belong." CreationDate="2018-06-27T18:37:33.790" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="15727" PostId="5326" Score="9" Text="What makes you think that &quot;bring you dinner&quot; make this sexual in nature?" CreationDate="2018-06-28T07:19:44.800" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15729" PostId="5326" Score="3" Text="@Snow because context. If you have to ask, you're too young to understand." CreationDate="2018-06-28T13:27:43.287" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15730" PostId="5326" Score="17" Text="I'm over 50.  Is that too young?  I'm old and ugly enough to beleive that whatever you're reading into this isn't part of popular culture.  It's possible, however, for me to be too *old* to get what the young folks are saying these days (but I do try to keep up)." CreationDate="2018-06-28T13:32:51.640" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15738" PostId="5326" Score="4" Text="No, it doesn't matter if it's real or not. The upvotes on it indicate that it is considered to be useful information to people in the future if they find themselves in a similar situation." CreationDate="2018-06-28T17:47:58.720" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15739" PostId="5326" Score="3" Text="@Snow It's because the perception is that he's try to cozy up to and &quot;comfort&quot; a newly widowed woman. It's a stupid joke from a bygone era. I honestly didn't realize people still expected that joke." CreationDate="2018-06-28T17:50:56.767" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15740" PostId="5326" Score="6" Text="Having perfunctorily signed many cards at work in the last 20 years, I find the question credible." CreationDate="2018-06-28T20:21:08.313" UserId="35944" />
  <row Id="15741" PostId="5326" Score="5" Text="Agree. The comment on the card is too perfectly crafted to be interrupted both ways that this can't be real." CreationDate="2018-06-28T21:56:24.937" UserId="87542" />
  <row Id="15742" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@Snow reread my comment - sorry if I came off brusque. If you're over 50 surely the offer of a sexy dinner as a courtship ritual brings back memories! That's, uh, that's how it worked back in the day, right? Before tinder? Coats covering puddles, dinner invitations in the mail? :)" CreationDate="2018-06-28T22:16:40.653" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15743" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="I don't have enough reputation to post comments; can someone please add a comment on the top post that I had to look up &quot;larrakin&quot; in an Aussie slang dictionary to find that it means &quot;prankster&quot;; a different word would get the same meaning across without being so distracting. ... and then please delete this not-an-snswer?" CreationDate="2018-06-28T21:41:08.707" UserId="29320" />
  <row Id="15745" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@Steve with regards to upvotes, I saw this question hit hot network list which means we're out of luck here: upvotes only indicate that it entertained many passers-by from Stack Overflow (to avoid misunderstanding I am not talking about question quality, it may be good or bad I don't know, it's just that upvotes can't help us tell this in this case)" CreationDate="2018-06-29T06:20:57.777" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15750" PostId="5326" Score="1" Text="@gnat yeah, but that's the standard we chose to judge our content by." CreationDate="2018-06-29T13:50:31.523" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15751" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@Steve correct, that is a standard, and it is good because it works in many (most) cases. It is just that hot questions (that are very small minority) are exceptional in that this standard breaks on them. If you're interested you can find more details of that in Stack Exchange blog:  [The Trouble With Popularity](https://blog.stackexchange.com/2012/01/the-trouble-with-popularity/) &quot;in the absence of any moderation, the community would do nothing but add and upvote the easy, fun stuff... etc&quot;" CreationDate="2018-06-29T13:56:12.937" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15752" PostId="5326" Score="4" Text="@gnat the thing is that I don't believe this post was fake. Faux pas happens. You can't just assume it doesn't because it's a major Faux pas." CreationDate="2018-06-29T13:58:20.127" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15753" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="that's okay @Steve - as I wrote I didn't assume anything about questions quality, only pointed that we can't use upvotes to judge it. We can rely only on reading its text, which will work too :)" CreationDate="2018-06-29T14:04:20.240" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15754" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@gnat We've already decided to use upvotes for that though. There are questions on stack overflow that are off topic but still around because they have a ton of upvotes - 600+ - and are deemed historically significant." CreationDate="2018-06-29T14:07:09.013" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15784" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@Steve &quot;Historically Significant&quot; questions tend to fall into the &quot;obviously off-topic, but obviously useful.&quot; category. The decision to close a question, or to lock is not always clear-cut. Moderators often have to choose between the lesser of two evils.&#xA;&#xA;For example, see [this comment](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/359988/why-is-a-how-to-do-x-in-python-locked-as-historically-significant-but-off-top#comment535981_359988) for a scenario where the lesser of two evils was chosen." CreationDate="2018-07-05T06:00:57.307" UserId="56816" />
  <row Id="15790" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@employee-X is usefulness not judged most heavily by upvotes?" CreationDate="2018-07-05T13:31:52.437" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15794" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@Steve No, it's judged by moderators. You cannot remove the human element from the decision to make a hard-and-fast rule which covers all cases. Mods consider many things when making a decision, and in fact, this very post indicates that. In particular to upvotes, keep in mind that low-rep users (who are inexperienced with the site) vastly outnumber high rep users. The count of upvotes can only tell you so much." CreationDate="2018-07-05T14:18:35.660" UserId="56816" />
  <row Id="15799" PostId="5326" Score="0" Text="@employee-X so you're saying that mods don't primarily use upvotes for these decisions. Weird hypothesis." CreationDate="2018-07-05T14:41:42.977" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15840" PostId="5326" Score="2" Text="@Steve Actually this exact scenario (from post) is something I've heard as a joke half a year ago..." CreationDate="2018-07-07T13:02:07.337" UserId="88308" />
  <row Id="15720" PostId="5327" Score="5" Text="David, in your opinion, could this question will be useful to people in the future?" CreationDate="2018-06-27T17:29:43.593" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="15722" PostId="5327" Score="3" Text="@Lumberjack Yes, I do. Though the post might be written about writing on the wrong card, the real question is about unintentionally doing or saying something stupid (and not work related), sincerely apologizing, and not receiving forgiveness. The title reflects this too. This can apply to *many* different situations, not just to writing on cards." CreationDate="2018-06-27T18:50:52.673" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15728" PostId="5331" Score="1" Text="FWIW back then this question has been [discussed at meta](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/605/168) quite thoroughly but nothing in that old discussion indicates an intent to make it CW. Per my reading of revisions history conversion happened on Oct 24 '13 which is when automatic triggering still worked, it was turned off only later - per rev history of referred MSE post it happened on Apr 9 '14" CreationDate="2018-06-28T09:23:35.420" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15731" PostId="5331" Score="0" Text="thanks @gnat actually, I landed on that question you linked, which led me to the CW post and noticing this situation. I'll read more about that automatic triggering." CreationDate="2018-06-28T15:57:00.813" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15733" PostId="5331" Score="1" Text="another bit of info I found is, initially CW threshold here was 30 answers but it has [dropped to 15](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/1659/168) on Jan 19 '13, this is somewhere between the question was asked and triggering answer was posted" CreationDate="2018-06-28T16:40:29.223" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15725" PostId="5332" Score="0" Text="Curious behavior that one... that would have made many posts that reach HNQ Wikis when they got many answers/edits back in those days...if HNQ existed yet, that is. Talk about &quot;wasted&quot; rep." CreationDate="2018-06-28T02:35:08.213" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15726" PostId="5332" Score="1" Text="I don't think HNQ was plastered onto every page back then.  There *was* a list (like there is now), but you had to go to it." CreationDate="2018-06-28T02:36:06.030" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15732" PostId="5334" Score="3" Text="What would you expect downvoting a comment to do, Steve? Show it out of chronological order? Raise a flag?" CreationDate="2018-06-28T16:38:57.850" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="15734" PostId="5334" Score="10" Text="@Shog9 To start with, just showing the downvote count would be useful. +12/-6 (or whatever format you prefer). Some people argue that since 25 people upvoted the comment, it must be pretty good and so the OP *must* incorporate that &quot;suggestion&quot;. When the question has received 1000 views, it is hard to tell how many of those other 975 users would have downvoted it if they had an option." CreationDate="2018-06-28T16:58:33.660" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15735" PostId="5334" Score="5" Text="@MaskedMan you might be interested to give a read to this discussion at MSE: [Why was “downvoting comments” declined? Should this feature be revisited?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/171677/165773)" CreationDate="2018-06-28T17:10:35.353" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15736" PostId="5334" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 reflect on the users reputation. That's literally all I want." CreationDate="2018-06-28T17:34:09.380" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15737" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Should I make another feature request for that?" CreationDate="2018-06-28T17:44:25.840" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15746" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="@gnat I was actually aiming for &quot;get rid of upvotes on comments&quot; but that would have led to a long argument about &quot;why we want the system to work this way&quot; and &quot;if you want to comment something that someone else has already said before, then you can upvote the comment instead of writing your own comment&quot; etc. so I settled for a more &quot;constructive&quot; alternative." CreationDate="2018-06-29T10:05:30.610" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15749" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Yeah, but being able to downvote comments stops them from being no risk without hindering the upvote's ability to declutter the comment section." CreationDate="2018-06-29T13:49:30.540" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15755" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="@Steve I'm not sure I understand your comment, because I am actually in agreement with your suggestion. Anyway, to be honest, I see no reason to vote at all on comments (either upvotes or downvotes). However, since SE wouldn't agree to getting rid of the upvoting, I suggested a &quot;constructive&quot; compromise to allow downvotes and display downvotes as well." CreationDate="2018-06-29T15:25:48.807" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15756" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan think voting on comments is useful to stop people from posting duplicate comments. That's about it." CreationDate="2018-06-29T15:27:01.343" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15757" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="SE says that upvoting on comments is enabled so that if you wanted to say the same thing that someone else has already said, then instead of saying the same thing again, you can upvote the already posted comment that says the same thing ... or something of that sort. That makes no sense to me, because if someone has already said what you wanted to say, then you can just not comment at all instead of posting another comment with the same thing." CreationDate="2018-06-29T15:28:50.733" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15758" PostId="5334" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan That's true, but you know how people on the internet are about keeping their opinion to themselves and not sharing. That design just doesn't mesh well with the majority of humans. Our brains aren't built to support that." CreationDate="2018-06-29T15:31:54.367" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="15759" PostId="5334" Score="0" Text="@Steve Allowing people to upvote comments doesn't help with that either. People can upvote a comment and still post their own comment. Let's be honest. Things really don't work the way SE thinks they do. How many people decide what they are going to comment, then search if that comment is already posted? More often, what actually happens is people upvote comments that they find interesting or agree with, they don't do it because &quot;this is what I was also going to say&quot;." CreationDate="2018-06-29T15:35:11.067" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15760" PostId="5334" Score="2" Text="@MaskedMan if they couldn't upvote things they'd agree with they'd comment, &quot;Yeah, I agree with this [incoherent positive reinforcement drivel]&quot;. This way reduces the occurrence of that nonsense." CreationDate="2018-06-29T15:36:53.800" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="16043" PostId="5334" Score="1" Text="@Steve I totally agree with your last comment.  ;)" CreationDate="2018-07-27T19:13:35.120" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="15763" PostId="5338" Score="1" Text="You have a LOT of questions here covering a variety of topics. Could you focus them down to a few more general questions? (e.g. on which topics are allowed, how moderation works, etc)" CreationDate="2018-07-02T18:21:02.813" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15764" PostId="5338" Score="1" Text="Also, I haven't been active in chat for a while, but some of these questions seem like they are referring to actual events. Some more background on those events might be helpful to address some of your concerns." CreationDate="2018-07-02T18:22:57.833" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15765" PostId="5338" Score="2" Text="@DavidK I tried to make these as generic as possible rather than refer to specific events, because then the conversation becomes about the event and not the policy." CreationDate="2018-07-02T18:46:41.400" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15766" PostId="5339" Score="0" Text="RE #11, so people who have difficulty with communications should probably steer clear then?" CreationDate="2018-07-02T20:42:02.647" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15767" PostId="5339" Score="0" Text="That’s not what I said at all." CreationDate="2018-07-02T20:44:06.563" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15768" PostId="5339" Score="0" Text="Added another one: 12.What should a moderator do when he or she finds themselves in direct, personal conflict with another user?" CreationDate="2018-07-02T20:44:34.107" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15769" PostId="5339" Score="2" Text="I'd take issue with &quot;Intent is usually pretty clear&quot; as we wouldn't have the &quot;assume good intentions&quot; rule.&quot; if it were." CreationDate="2018-07-02T20:45:34.667" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15770" PostId="5339" Score="3" Text="I've dealt with many international people with different cultures, and plenty of people with disabilities.  The intent of these people is often far from clear.  Especially culturally, something that is rude in one culture can be expected in another." CreationDate="2018-07-02T20:47:44.320" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15771" PostId="5340" Score="0" Text="As someone on the spectrum, I do find it hard to navigate.  I'm high functioning so most times it looks like I'm doing fine.  Other times, esp when under stress, It's much harder.  I know others have similar difficulties and have expressed as much to me.  I'm not aware of any old hurts, so I may just have missed that." CreationDate="2018-07-02T20:50:52.267" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15772" PostId="5340" Score="1" Text="BTW, another thing I can say about anyone on the spectrum is that subtle hints don't work well.  Personally, I respond much better to  &quot;knock it off&quot; than &quot;I think you may be getting out of hand&quot;.  We tend to think in a bit of a binary, so !NO = YES when doing something.  Just an FYI for people on the spectrum in general.  Another problem we have is the literalism tends to make us look like smart-asses.  The worst beating I ever got from my mom was when she said &quot;Just dump all of that on top of the plants&quot;.  I took her literally.  so, that's hard for us too." CreationDate="2018-07-02T20:56:42.317" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15773" PostId="5341" Score="17" Text="Perhaps you may be interested now in [Photography.SE](https://photo.stackexchange.com/), given that you are planing on venturing on photography :)" CreationDate="2018-07-02T22:00:08.130" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15864" PostId="5341" Score="2" Text="Good luck, but never say never. **132k** rep means there are a *lot* of people who respect your input." CreationDate="2018-07-10T08:14:46.637" UserId="8068" />
  <row Id="15905" PostId="5341" Score="0" Text="Things change, and your health is important." CreationDate="2018-07-15T03:47:52.273" UserId="90305" />
  <row Id="15816" PostId="5342" Score="1" Text="&quot;Spoons?&quot; What?" CreationDate="2018-07-05T20:49:30.747" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="15817" PostId="5342" Score="5" Text="@Wildcard see [spoon theory](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoon_theory), which in my experience has broadened some from its disability origins.  (I'm certainly not implying that HLGEM has such limitations!  More that there are things that are demanding more of her attention, so we get less.)" CreationDate="2018-07-05T20:58:08.557" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15826" PostId="5342" Score="1" Text="I thought it was because of the [Spoons card game](https://www.thesprucecrafts.com/spoons-card-game-rules-411144)..." CreationDate="2018-07-06T17:24:33.730" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15777" PostId="5356" Score="0" Text="I agree, but should it be deleted? Seems that suggesting more appropriate and moral ways as answers could be valuable professional advice to give there... the most evident answer is &quot;don't do it&quot;, and that has value IMHO" CreationDate="2018-07-04T18:51:26.237" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15778" PostId="5356" Score="2" Text="I agree, but everything about this post and the user's name points toward a single, vindictive, intent.  He seems to have no interest in seeking a resolution to his problem, he just wants to cause someone pain. &quot;I am not looking for moral advice&quot; means he's not interested in alternative resolution paths." CreationDate="2018-07-04T18:52:58.897" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15779" PostId="5356" Score="1" Text="yeah, it seems like so, but how about future readers/users? In case someone ever wondered about doing this (I really hope not) this post will remind them that the professional course of action is *not* to do that... I also strongly think this could be deleted, but not completely sure right now." CreationDate="2018-07-04T18:54:46.053" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15780" PostId="5356" Score="1" Text="Hence this discussion.  The post is closed and has enough downvotes for it not to be casually visible." CreationDate="2018-07-04T18:55:56.227" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15781" PostId="5356" Score="0" Text=":) yes, it's currently at -6... I think we can let it be, but be aware of any possible future similar posts from this and other new users..." CreationDate="2018-07-04T18:58:18.180" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15782" PostId="5356" Score="4" Text="Discussion with site-wide moderators has judged this not to be acceptable.  It has accordingly been killed by fire.  Advocating harm to others is the big red flag here." CreationDate="2018-07-04T19:05:22.423" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15783" PostId="5356" Score="4" Text="See also: [**How should answers that advocate violence be handled**](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3916/)" CreationDate="2018-07-04T19:57:16.410" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15818" PostId="5357" Score="3" Text="Yep, I know; it's kinda crazy. We should probably just call the edit feature, uh, &quot;edit&quot;. But both will never be enabled together, so non-issue for now." CreationDate="2018-07-06T01:07:44.713" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="15820" PostId="5357" Score="1" Text="@Shog9 Stupid question but how will they never be enabled together if I can see them together right now?" CreationDate="2018-07-06T09:26:15.720" UserId="38688" />
  <row Id="15824" PostId="5357" Score="2" Text="One is disabled, @TheLethalCoder; you can't comment if you're not logged in." CreationDate="2018-07-06T15:34:10.563" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="15825" PostId="5357" Score="0" Text="@Shog9 so the comment one should really be disabled?" CreationDate="2018-07-06T15:44:02.133" UserId="38688" />
  <row Id="15786" PostId="5359" Score="1" Text="The answers are only obvious to those who have never been in that situation, and the ones you think are obvious are wrong." CreationDate="2018-07-05T12:40:12.750" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15787" PostId="5359" Score="0" Text="@DonThermidor_LobsterMobster I'll concede on the point that there are no &quot;obvious&quot; answers. Could you clarify what you mean by &quot;the ones you think are obvious are wrong.&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-07-05T12:44:02.370" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15788" PostId="5359" Score="0" Text="Having climbed all the way up from homelessness, and gone through this, I can say that you have to be very creative.  In one instance, I had to take a bus, but the bus stop was so far away I had to either bike to it, or get dropped off.  Now, the bus only had a rack that could hold two bicycles, so if they were full, you had to take the next bus.  Then, some days, the busses were off schedule or not running, or I missed one and had to hop back on my bike part way... sometimes I could get a ride.  Then I had to walk when I got a flat tire...  Then, there's also weather to consider...." CreationDate="2018-07-05T12:59:47.607" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15789" PostId="5359" Score="0" Text="and much much more.  It may at first seem obvious that you just do &quot;A&quot;, but it isn't that simple, easy and there is much planning you have to do." CreationDate="2018-07-05T13:00:23.380" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15791" PostId="5359" Score="3" Text="@DonThermidor_LobsterMobster this applies to everybody in the workforce. Not just the less fortunate." CreationDate="2018-07-05T13:43:57.580" UserId="33374" />
  <row Id="15792" PostId="5359" Score="1" Text="@EdwinLambregts it's very insulting to call hard working people &quot;less fortunate&quot;.  And no, it's not the same.  Part of my dilemma was that while I had a car, I couldn't afford gas.  I also couldn't afford a taxi or these days Uber.  These are concerns that people earning more money aren't concerned with.  These days, I can take uber if I need to drop my car off because I can afford it." CreationDate="2018-07-05T14:06:36.593" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15793" PostId="5359" Score="1" Text="@EdwinLambregts Just curious, have you ever been poor to the point of having to walk because you couldn't afford gas?" CreationDate="2018-07-05T14:07:13.447" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15795" PostId="5359" Score="1" Text="@DonThermidor_LobsterMobster I'm not sure why you think &quot;less fortunate&quot; would be an insult - it specifically implies that people can be hard working and *still* not have the fortune to be well off. Please don't take these arguments as personal attacks against you, or people who may not be able to afford transportation. They are specifically critiques of the question and how it is framed. So far the only mention of financial ability by the OP is the assumption that fast-food workers cannot afford to travel by car. The question of transportation without a car should not be limited to that case." CreationDate="2018-07-05T14:26:27.757" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15797" PostId="5359" Score="0" Text="@DavidK It is insulting to call someone busting their backside to get ahead as &quot;less fortunate.&quot;  Don't make assumptions that I'm taking anything personally.  There is nothing unfortunate about honest work.  This is condescending compassion, and is quite insulting.  Don't think so?  Would you call someone &quot;less fortunate&quot; to their face?  If not, you see my point.  It's not about me taking anything personally, it's about treating people with decency and respect." CreationDate="2018-07-05T14:38:50.637" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15800" PostId="5359" Score="0" Text="@DonThermidor_LobsterMobster Then can I ask what term you prefer that accurately conveys the situation? I had always considered &quot;poor&quot; to be more insulting, but maybe I am incorrect. &quot;Low-income&quot; indicates pay rate, but doesn't really say anything about overall wealth and ability to afford daily expenses." CreationDate="2018-07-05T14:50:51.793" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15802" PostId="5359" Score="1" Text="@DavidK there is nothing wrong with poor.  Poor isn't an insult.  I've been poor several times.  It happens.  &quot;Having hard times&quot; isn't bad.  I always said I was &quot;digging myself out of a hole&quot; after my stroke, and it wasn't bad fortune that got me there, but a malicious act, but that's another story.  I think &quot;less fortunate&quot; strikes a nerve with people who are poor because it sounds like you pity the person.  Nobody likes to be pitied or thought to be pitiable." CreationDate="2018-07-05T14:59:07.417" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15803" PostId="5359" Score="0" Text="@DavidK actually, when I went from homeless to a low-paying job, I thought myself to be quite fortunate, as it was a huge step forward." CreationDate="2018-07-05T15:00:49.390" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15904" PostId="5361" Score="0" Text="Choosing an accepted answer is generally good for the community, but it's not a requirement. And in this case, it might be better not to." CreationDate="2018-07-13T16:51:52.613" UserId="56816" />
  <row Id="15804" PostId="5362" Score="4" Text="Good advice in general, but in this case it sounds like the solution was that he found the bug on his own and so doesn't need to ask his manager -- so he doesn't have an answer to the question about interacting with his manager." CreationDate="2018-07-05T16:26:09.643" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15805" PostId="5364" Score="0" Text="Sounds good. I didn’t know about this." CreationDate="2018-07-05T17:11:20.283" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15814" PostId="5364" Score="1" Text="If we can develop a good template, I'm on board. Although I'm sceptical that we'd be able to come up with a useful template - I think it has a lot of potential on [so] because a lot of programming questions are easy to break down into needing at least X, Y and Z details to be answerable. But here I don't think we'll get much more than a language tag - the rest of the information required seems too open-ended and &quot;untemplateable&quot;." CreationDate="2018-07-05T20:26:36.610" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15815" PostId="5364" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling I don't know what a Workplace template would look like either.  It seems worth exploring because *if* they've done the SO thing in a general way (I sure hope so!), we might be able to plug into that and get some built-into-the-system guidance for new askers.  A sandbox, on the other hand, has to be completely community-run, including pointing people at it, so they'll usually find out about it, at best, for their *second* question." CreationDate="2018-07-05T20:30:35.960" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15808" PostId="5366" Score="2" Text="Seems to me that there were just 2 users who thought that, one of which already removed their comment... besides, your post has no close votes, so it seems that the &quot;troll panic&quot; faded away." CreationDate="2018-07-05T17:37:19.763" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15819" PostId="5368" Score="2" Text="You have perfectly divined my thoughts." CreationDate="2018-07-06T07:57:35.160" UserId="7235" />
  <row Id="15849" PostId="5368" Score="0" Text="I'm not really a member here but I don't really see why those comments should be flagged as R/A. Maybe flag them for mod attention or No Longer Needed but R/A seems a bit extreme." CreationDate="2018-07-09T16:12:15.233" UserId="38688" />
  <row Id="15851" PostId="5368" Score="0" Text="@TheLethalCoder Are you suggesting that calling someone a troll is not rude or abusive?" CreationDate="2018-07-09T16:21:22.283" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15852" PostId="5368" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Depends on the context really, I'm just saying going straight to R/A seems a bit excessive in my opinion." CreationDate="2018-07-09T16:22:11.933" UserId="38688" />
  <row Id="15862" PostId="5368" Score="0" Text="@TheLethalCoder It does not depend on the context, it's never worth doing. Telling the querent that you suspect them of telling believable lies just to have a laugh at people trying to figure out whether to believe you is something you can't do in good faith. Doesn't even help if you're right; an actual troll gets exactly what they want, while an actual querent's first experience with StackExchange is toxic." CreationDate="2018-07-10T00:24:20.687" UserId="81059" />
  <row Id="15823" PostId="5370" Score="1" Text="I agree, the onboarding tag was just created this year." CreationDate="2018-07-06T15:27:28.273" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15833" PostId="5370" Score="0" Text="Note: we have [tag:new-hires] (from the company's perspective) and [tag:new-job] (from the employee's perspective). Both can have onboarding questions." CreationDate="2018-07-06T22:31:16.040" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15834" PostId="5370" Score="0" Text="&quot;Merge&quot; is a bit vague - it can refer to either synonymisation or burnination with retagging." CreationDate="2018-07-06T22:32:06.297" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15844" PostId="5370" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling You're right. I would vote for _synonymisation_ because `onboarding` is very specific and comes more natural for people, but I'm happy either way" CreationDate="2018-07-09T06:59:09.473" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="15908" PostId="5370" Score="0" Text="So... judging by the, currently, +6/-0 I'd say that the burnination with retagging should be carried on (only 3 questions with onboarding). If you may, I can carry out the process. Will wait some time in case someone protests and will then proceed with it." CreationDate="2018-07-17T00:43:53.623" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15827" PostId="5371" Score="1" Text="IMO your answer is good, but the question needs work. If the question asked specifically about how to handle it great, but the question being asked is whether X qualifies under the sick leave policy of employer Y in country Z. That's a textbook close in my view." CreationDate="2018-07-06T17:47:23.567" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15828" PostId="5371" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal IDrink took an edit and it seems to have addressed the problems you mentioned" CreationDate="2018-07-06T18:49:48.440" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15829" PostId="5371" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal We're getting lazy if we're closing things when a quick edit can do.  Also, Name one sick leave policy anywhere that would not allow a chronic medical condition to be a reason to leave." CreationDate="2018-07-06T18:51:36.847" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15839" PostId="5371" Score="1" Text="@DonThermidor_LobsterMobster Barring indentured servitude anyone can use any reason to leave work. But I can name dozens of countries where an employee's job or pay wouldn't be protected if he did. Regardless, the edit seems good. Note that we're supposed to close things when they need to be edited, it's why it's called &quot;put on hold&quot;." CreationDate="2018-07-07T10:16:34.260" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15841" PostId="5371" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Thanks for clearing that up, I was too dumb to understand what hold means on my own." CreationDate="2018-07-07T13:03:19.370" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15831" PostId="5372" Score="0" Text="«Why didn't you leave it?» - I did not delete it, it was a mod who did it. I posted here to see what the Community thinks, so proper action could be taken." CreationDate="2018-07-06T19:37:38.217" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15832" PostId="5372" Score="0" Text="Besides, I'm sure that if you saw the original post you would agree on its deletion" CreationDate="2018-07-06T19:39:28.983" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15845" PostId="5372" Score="0" Text="So, I translate that as, &quot;To bad to leave up, no matter our opportunity to show we are against it.&quot;  Thanks for answering." CreationDate="2018-07-09T13:02:41.423" UserId="68513" />
  <row Id="15847" PostId="5372" Score="1" Text="A couple of reasons.  There's always going to be people who upvote this kind of thing because they think it's cool to see dangerous stuff.  And there's HNQ.  Questions titled with titillating titles  attract attention and clicks and therefore get entered into HNQ.  Although we don't mind decent quality questions hitting HNQ, we don't want to encourage acts like this.  We also don't want to see many other similar kinds of unacceptable questions being allowed to be visible (&quot;How do I kill my boss?&quot;, &quot;How can I get away with having an affair with a co-worker?&quot;, etc., etc." CreationDate="2018-07-09T14:36:16.407" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15848" PostId="5372" Score="0" Text="@J.ChrisCompton I'd translate what Snow said to &quot;This is the way we show we are against it&quot;" CreationDate="2018-07-09T15:31:05.440" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15853" PostId="5372" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus + Snow:  I understood that deleting it shows that we are against it.  My attempted point/question is that you only show it to one or a few people and it is gone - the rest don't know.  It doesn't stay as an example for anyone else.  And, to be clear, I am okay with this.  You mentioned that we'd never want &quot;How do I kill my boss&quot; to be left as a posted question... and I understand and agree with it.  I just didn't realize how horrible the original post must have been.  Thanks again for your answers!" CreationDate="2018-07-09T16:31:54.107" UserId="68513" />
  <row Id="15854" PostId="5372" Score="1" Text="It’s also basic common sense not to leave them up. We get very few of these kinds of questions, so removing prevents anyone else from thinking of the same kind of thing and getting their five minutes of fame. Deleting also prevents from being searchable." CreationDate="2018-07-09T16:42:45.213" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15855" PostId="5372" Score="0" Text="@J.ChrisCompton seems that, although you posted a quesiton as an answer, that you have an interesting point if you wish to ask a Meta Post with those concerns and questions, so it can be further discussed by the Community" CreationDate="2018-07-09T16:43:38.770" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15835" PostId="5374" Score="3" Text="...this Meta post will self-destruct in 5 seconds... [throws the laptop out of the window]" CreationDate="2018-07-07T00:24:55.127" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15836" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="quick question, I am currently leaving a comment explaining the back it up, VTD those that have negative score and are not valuable, and flagging the ones not deletable yet as not an answer... is that ok? Should I skip the flagging or change them for mod flags instead?" CreationDate="2018-07-07T00:30:43.380" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15837" PostId="5374" Score="1" Text="NAA flags are good where applicable - sends posts to the review queue." CreationDate="2018-07-07T00:36:52.923" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15838" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="Already took a round and flagged/commented/signaled the user on several answers... will do more when I get time." CreationDate="2018-07-07T00:49:40.593" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15842" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="Well, I did say the question is too broad..." CreationDate="2018-07-07T16:27:46.637" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15843" PostId="5374" Score="3" Text="I deleted 3 of those 31 answers, which were entirely repeating the older answers, as well as another answer which got added later. I have left comments on a few answers asking to explain how the answer differs from the previous answers. The question is also closed (as of now), so hopefully there won't be any additional pileup." CreationDate="2018-07-09T04:25:04.887" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15846" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="The highest voted answers provide the worst advice.  Old COBOL programmer here, not going to retire &quot;in ten years&quot; as suggested by one answer.  Not going to bother with it." CreationDate="2018-07-09T13:06:43.333" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15850" PostId="5374" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan it seems that it already got 3 reopen votes... brace yourselves" CreationDate="2018-07-09T16:14:24.903" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15856" PostId="5377" Score="3" Text="Where are you getting your statistics about comment usage?  (If SEDE, remember that it's only updated once a week and doesn't include deleted comments.)" CreationDate="2018-07-09T17:54:25.417" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15863" PostId="5377" Score="1" Text="@Monica I don't have any statistics as of now. This is based on actual comment flags I have handled as well as direct observation of the comments posted, especially on HNQ." CreationDate="2018-07-10T00:45:16.447" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15874" PostId="5377" Score="5" Text="*&quot;Add &quot;discuss this question&quot; alongside &quot;suggest improvements&quot;: This link opens the post-specific chat room where users can discuss the post. &quot;* - This is, IMHO, a **really** good idea. This will help catch those users that are more interested in discussing rather than suggesting improvements or ask for clarification" CreationDate="2018-07-10T18:09:11.713" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15875" PostId="5377" Score="1" Text="you know, you actually really made my day be referencing my original thoughts. i honestly thank you for making me quite happy." CreationDate="2018-07-10T23:36:28.937" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15938" PostId="5377" Score="4" Text="I love the idea of the Discuss this question link.  Give people a place to put their comments where they belong, in chat." CreationDate="2018-07-18T18:20:56.880" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16044" PostId="5377" Score="3" Text="Genius.  Currently the only way to get a chat room associated with the post is (1) wait until a moderator moves comments to chat or (2) continue a discussion in comments until you're prompted to continue the discussion in chat.  If those steps could be bypassed, I think most comment troubles would go away.  How about you propose that on Meta?" CreationDate="2018-07-27T19:16:56.200" UserId="47537" />
  <row Id="16050" PostId="5377" Score="0" Text="@Wildcard Thanks for your feedback. I'm pretty sure someone might have already posted that, or a similar idea, on meta. Nonetheless, I will have a look." CreationDate="2018-07-28T09:54:00.770" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="16064" PostId="5377" Score="0" Text="&quot;One user was recently flabbergasted by the change, and asked on meta why he wasn't able to post comments.&quot; - if the goal is to have fewer comments, this is a pretty good indication that the change is having a desirable effect. One wonders how many users think the same thing, but don't ask." CreationDate="2018-07-30T14:59:01.087" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="15858" PostId="5379" Score="0" Text="That's what I was thinking." CreationDate="2018-07-09T18:11:40.850" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15859" PostId="5379" Score="0" Text="@DonThermidor_LobsterMobster yes, we should never stop trying to teach/remind users on the proper way of interacting on TWP and the SE network." CreationDate="2018-07-09T18:13:02.617" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15870" PostId="5380" Score="0" Text="I'll point out that the comment was not actually deleted, it was moved to chat. Moderators do have the option to do either, and deletion will remove the comment entirely.. The fact that the comments are in chat means they are still available for others to see." CreationDate="2018-07-10T13:39:49.980" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15872" PostId="5380" Score="1" Text="@DavidK Yes, I already mentioned that in the question: &quot;technically, you could argue it's still there in chat, but no one reads that, so it's effectively just deleted&quot;." CreationDate="2018-07-10T13:49:46.740" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="15867" PostId="5381" Score="2" Text="I'm sorry, but I think &quot;this is how it's supposed to be&quot; is a non-answer and discussion stopper." CreationDate="2018-07-10T12:00:20.317" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="16025" PostId="5381" Score="0" Text="@MartinTournoij But they aren't wrong. Comments seem to be a problem on all sites but they aren't meant to stick around. Stick them in your post if you feel the information is important otherwise risk having it removed." CreationDate="2018-07-25T07:50:54.570" UserId="61527" />
  <row Id="15865" PostId="5382" Score="4" Text="See also: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5029/all-comments-for-a-qa-disappearing-with-no-explanation/5030#5030 The same arguments given by the mod in chat are used in answers there." CreationDate="2018-07-10T08:45:37.263" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15866" PostId="5385" Score="2" Text="I have created 2 accounts to post this question because I've never received confirmation email for the first one. In both case I use temporary mail created on the fly online. For sure I've not created 10 (or more) accounts as you are suggesting. I don't see why I should have done this." CreationDate="2018-07-10T11:30:48.050" UserDisplayName="user89115" />
  <row Id="15868" PostId="5385" Score="2" Text="@LukeD Use the Contact Us link to ask SE to merge all your accounts, if that is indeed the case." CreationDate="2018-07-10T12:07:12.560" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15869" PostId="5385" Score="3" Text="*&quot;I don't see why I should have done this.&quot;* We don't see why you should do this either, the reason is best known to you." CreationDate="2018-07-10T12:08:55.047" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15876" PostId="5388" Score="3" Text="Haven't you ever posted a good, well-thought answer, that covers the question(s) being asked, then some random user comes and drops a comment with some one-in-a-million scenario that does not fit to your answer and says it is wrong? Many times I have witnessed that after such comments, posts start to receive *more* noise/comments and even Downvotes.... it is not until someone flag-deletes the comment or a Mod comes to clean the mess that the DVs and noise stop... in short, I've seen comments derail good answers (even questions) and not have them get the attention/votes they deserve." CreationDate="2018-07-10T23:38:52.983" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15878" PostId="5388" Score="7" Text="Well, from the [tour] of all SE Sites: &quot;*This site is all about getting answers. It's not a discussion forum. **There's no chit-chat.***&quot; I'm not sure what do you mean by &quot;interacting with other people&quot;, but if you really want, then comment is not the correct place, there's [chat] build specifically for that. And also, [comment is not for answering the question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment). However, the purpose of this experiment is not for getting rid of *all* comments. It's just to straighten the original purpose of comment in SE: to improve the post." CreationDate="2018-07-11T04:48:10.627" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="15879" PostId="5388" Score="4" Text="@AndrewT. I appreciate the irony of you using a comment to answer this Meta question..." CreationDate="2018-07-11T05:32:18.167" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15890" PostId="5388" Score="1" Text="I'd encourage you to take a look at two very relevant older Meta questions: &quot;[Our Comments Problem](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2748/our-comments-problem)&quot; and &quot;[What is wrong with comments?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3196/what-is-wrong-with-comments)&quot;" CreationDate="2018-07-11T12:08:04.913" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15880" PostId="5389" Score="1" Text="but that is for SO only?" CreationDate="2018-07-11T06:02:57.777" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15881" PostId="5389" Score="4" Text="It applies across the board." CreationDate="2018-07-11T06:03:42.140" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15882" PostId="5389" Score="1" Text="also, to my point - SO does have a problem. i hate using it, and interestingly i think all the questions i've posted there in the last few years haven't even yielded an answer in any sort of useful timeframe. mostly they just get dv and some snark, which is a problem. we don't really have that though." CreationDate="2018-07-11T06:07:55.527" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15883" PostId="5389" Score="0" Text="also! are you a moderator? it's not that i mind your answer, i was just curious from a mod pov" CreationDate="2018-07-11T06:08:13.927" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15884" PostId="5389" Score="2" Text="Yes, I agree that the personality types of the high-functioning geeks on SO does lead to more levels of snark and elitism than other sites, but we do see those same traits here also.  The diamond after my name indicates that I am indeed a moderator." CreationDate="2018-07-11T06:33:08.577" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15885" PostId="5389" Score="1" Text="@bharal the problem is not (only) about snarky comments, but comments usage in general. Comments are never meant for chit-chat or extended discussion. Even previously we had [a specific comment flag &quot;too chatty&quot; before it's simplified into 1 flag: &quot;no longer needed&quot;](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/292011/drop-not-constructive-combine-noisy-reword-rude-and-other-comment-flag)." CreationDate="2018-07-11T06:38:23.480" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="15886" PostId="5389" Score="0" Text="And it's why we have the &quot;move comments to chat&quot; button for when people really start having a discussion.  We don't really want to junk all that productive work, but there's a better platform (chat) for hashing things out." CreationDate="2018-07-11T06:41:28.843" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="15887" PostId="5389" Score="2" Text="@bharal One thing I want to remark on is that if you don't realise Snow here is a moderator from the site-wide sign (the diamond next to his name), that's an indicator to us that you lack experience with the SE network. That's by no means a bad thing and I don't mean to dismiss the point you're raising here: sites like ours thrive on fresh input whether it's from people who are new or those who've been around but haven't engaged with the meta part much. It's valuable for people to question why we do things we take for granted, just keep in mind that there's usually a good reason." CreationDate="2018-07-11T07:37:58.223" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15888" PostId="5389" Score="0" Text="@bharal I realise after checking now that you're not exactly a novice here. :) If you were asking whether this was an answer &quot;from the mod team&quot;: mods typically contribute on meta as individuals. We rarely make a &quot;joint statement&quot; unless it's called for and then we'll usually make that clear. That said I fully agree with Snow's answer here." CreationDate="2018-07-11T09:15:54.010" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15889" PostId="5389" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal oh no, I honestly had never put the diamond with the name together before. Embarrassing! My question is if the only opposition from the mods is on philosophical grounds, why is it that when comments are brought up they're often labelled as &quot;time consuming&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-07-11T11:05:56.070" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="15892" PostId="5389" Score="3" Text="@bharal Not sure what you're referring to specifically and whether I would describe our stance on comments like you did, but comments are time sinks because they all add noise to a post that people coming across them have to read. And of course mods then also have to spend additional time on the cleanup which takes up a supermajority of our time." CreationDate="2018-07-11T12:18:20.280" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15898" PostId="5391" Score="0" Text="definitely this. Ideally if it somehow translated it to the corresponding tag for that location (although that is handled in first post queue and manual edits)" CreationDate="2018-07-11T18:44:14.260" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15891" PostId="5392" Score="0" Text="Do we know exactly how the wizard page would be implemented? I wouldn't expect it to be required to write a question, even for new users. I would more expect something like &quot;Would you like to use our step-by-step wizard to help write your question?&quot; with the option to use it or not. I never use the mobile site, so I don't know how the process normally looks, but I would expect this tool would either have a mobile-compatible version or not be offered on mobile. If that's not the case, then I think that's a separate addressable issue." CreationDate="2018-07-11T12:16:41.353" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15893" PostId="5392" Score="2" Text="As to your points about the order of prompting for tags, I agree that that doesn't work for us. Tags should come after the question is written, maybe suggesting some of the most common ones. The first question in the wizard appears to be used to weed out off-topic questions. While that's useful, I'm not sure what specific questions we would ask that would actually achieve that goal." CreationDate="2018-07-11T12:23:02.630" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15894" PostId="5392" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Going by the recent [ch ch ch ch](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/307862/202356), this wizard is going to end up with &quot;what works for Stack Overflow works for the rest&quot;, so I want to avoid taking this site down that route in the first place. Also, it is bad UX to throw lots of options and questions in a new user's face, and that usually leads to people just going away from the site. For example, try creating a new account on Quora, and you will get a glimpse of what I mean." CreationDate="2018-07-11T13:40:14.030" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15895" PostId="5392" Score="0" Text="I don't see anything in that link that explicitly talks about the Wizard. While the SE staff can make some changes that are automatically implemented across the network, the Wizard is not one of them. A left nav bar is built the same and generally looks the same on every site. The Wizard requires specific input and questions tailored to each site that our own mods will have to build. If they don't build it, it can't be used. That's assuming the SE staff doesn't create a generic Wizard that simply prompts users to write a question, title, and tags, but there has been zero mention of that." CreationDate="2018-07-11T14:23:41.660" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15896" PostId="5392" Score="0" Text="@DavidK The ch ch ch ch has got rid of the site-specific theme customization and &quot;standardized&quot; several other things. Anyway, the point is, that meta post clearly indicates this will be the direction SE will take from now on, because site-specific support &quot;increases costs&quot;. The link doesn't specifically talk about the Wizard, that is true, but this is more or less how it would turn out. If we ask for a Wizard where the tags is asked for at the end (or entirely absent), or maybe we want some more steps in the Wizard, it will most certainly be shot down to &quot;cut costs&quot;." CreationDate="2018-07-11T14:43:39.537" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15899" PostId="5392" Score="0" Text="Perhaps we don't need a wizard, but a question template instead?" CreationDate="2018-07-11T18:48:32.323" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15900" PostId="5393" Score="3" Text="Pretty much agree with Masked Man's answer below, but note that you could have simply linked the wiki for &quot;TN&quot; and probably wouldn't have gotten any complaints. Your question looks hastily written which is arguably the main problem, not the subject matter." CreationDate="2018-07-11T19:02:55.393" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15902" PostId="5393" Score="0" Text="I don't think it's too much to ask to expand the abbreviation (which I seem to recall someone asking on there). I mean, it's only 2 words after all (or 1 word and another abbreviation, but close enough) (or 4 or 8 words). Although that specific example may not be the best example of a useful expansion. That most likely wouldn't make the question answerable by more people, but at least it would minimise how much those people feel like outsiders." CreationDate="2018-07-11T21:41:41.397" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15897" PostId="5394" Score="6" Text="*&quot;I cannot answer that question anyway, so I will leave that to someone who understands the TN visa better than I do. &quot;* - I'd like to highlight this part, as it is key to achieving things like [How can we be more receptive to non-IT workplace questions?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5303/73791). If someone does not know the technical aspects asked in the question that person is most likely not fit to answer it anyways." CreationDate="2018-07-11T18:41:42.197" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15903" PostId="5397" Score="0" Text="When I hover over that comment I did not get the controls to flag. I thought I didn't get the option to flag because of my low reputation. after I post the question here somebody has flagged it and that comment was deleted." CreationDate="2018-07-12T11:29:32.533" UserId="82198" />
  <row Id="15906" PostId="5397" Score="0" Text="related feature request at MSE: [Allow new users to flag comments on their own posts](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/311459/165773)" CreationDate="2018-07-15T21:45:51.093" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15950" PostId="5401" Score="1" Text="The top-voted answer on that question is very similar to the top-voted two answers on your question. The second one is similar to your third one (and the one you accepted touches on the same point). Honestly I'm not sure why you think it's *not* a duplicate. Maybe it's *a bit* generic, but we really don't need 50 000 questions all asking slight variations of the same thing, which all have the same answers." CreationDate="2018-07-18T20:38:58.257" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15952" PostId="5401" Score="1" Text="Actually canonical questions [are pretty much network-wide](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/canonical). I know SO has plenty, e.g. [What is a NullPointerException, and how do I fix it?](https://stackoverflow.com/questions/218384/what-is-a-nullpointerexception-and-how-do-i-fix-it) (locked because we don't want more answers, not because of &quot;historical reasons&quot;). Although I'm willing to admit the questions here tend to focus very heavily on the specific situation and don't consider much in terms of variations (but that question is not a good example of that)." CreationDate="2018-07-18T21:27:34.230" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="15909" PostId="5403" Score="6" Text="&quot;*If the OP is unpingable, ping one of the moderators, who can superping the user.*&quot; I'm not sure how often we/I would grant such a request, regardless of being busy. Private or direct communication between users is impossible on SE by design." CreationDate="2018-07-17T11:14:11.307" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15910" PostId="5403" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I don't want to *encourage* the practice. However, it is not impossible for users to communicate outside SE. In any case, moderators should be involved only in exceptional cases (and not for every &quot;I want to mail that user because I feel like it.&quot;). I will make an edit to clarify this later." CreationDate="2018-07-17T11:22:40.050" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15911" PostId="5403" Score="0" Text="Isn't there a way to create a chat room, either for a specific question or for a specific user? I feel like I've seen this before, and not just when prompted in a long comment string, but I can't find it right now." CreationDate="2018-07-17T12:25:55.993" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15912" PostId="5403" Score="0" Text="There is also the option to just comment on the original post to point the OP to a chat room. This doesn't explicitly line up with the &quot;right&quot; way to use comments, but I think it's still appropriate enough for the spirit of use, and it would only be there temporarily." CreationDate="2018-07-17T12:27:55.540" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15915" PostId="5403" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Moderators are able to create private chatrooms but those are reserved for extremely rare cases, and certainly not to have two users talk in private." CreationDate="2018-07-17T13:31:13.367" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15916" PostId="5403" Score="0" Text="@DavidK There is an option to create a chat room with any user, but I didn't want to endorse it. Since public chat rooms are accessible even without logging in, I prefer such requests to happen in the highly visited site chat room to deter against link farming and other misuse. I would also avoid posting such requests in the comments for the same reason, especially if the question hits HNQ. :)" CreationDate="2018-07-17T13:37:16.720" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15917" PostId="5403" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Right, I wasn't expecting a private chat room, just one created specifically for conversing about a certain post or with a certain user. When I look at the [list of chat rooms](https://chat.stackexchange.com/?tab=site&amp;sort=active&amp;nohide=true&amp;host=workplace.stackexchange.com) I see some that were created for talking to specific people. But it may be that someone just manually created these rooms using the [standard interface](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/new)." CreationDate="2018-07-17T13:38:15.727" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="15918" PostId="5403" Score="0" Text="A better way to handle this than asking for mod-assisted chat pings is to provide some way for the other person to contact you and invite the person to do so." CreationDate="2018-07-17T14:35:18.247" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15919" PostId="5403" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Hmm, now that I think about it, I wonder why I didn't put that in the first place, since I have myself done this a couple of weeks ago. :( I don't have the time right now to edit my answer, maybe I will do it later, or you can write another answer or edit mine. :)" CreationDate="2018-07-17T14:44:11.247" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15920" PostId="5403" Score="0" Text="There are services that provide temporary emails which can last as little as an hour or as long as two weeks if you don't want to list a personal email." CreationDate="2018-07-17T16:29:43.070" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15921" PostId="5403" Score="1" Text="As an alternative for pinging the user, you can comment under the post inviting the user to chat. Then proceed to discuss there or do what is necessary, and delete the comment after you meet on chat." CreationDate="2018-07-17T17:33:28.233" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15927" PostId="5404" Score="1" Text="I'm fairly new to the site and I've noticed some people seem to have an itchy vote-to-close trigger finger, in general. A question should be given the benefit of the doubt, imo, unless it's a very clear case." CreationDate="2018-07-18T17:12:03.207" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="15928" PostId="5404" Score="0" Text="@Time4Tea agreed, and edited for clarity if it's iffy." CreationDate="2018-07-18T17:14:33.150" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15934" PostId="5404" Score="1" Text="The first question is either legal advice(Am I likely to be sued) or a duplicate(What are the consequenses of absconding in India(you do not get a relieving letter and could be reported as having absconded) which is a duplicate...." CreationDate="2018-07-18T18:01:23.853" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16019" PostId="5404" Score="0" Text="This is a long standing issue that the community has put little concerted effort into resolving.  https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4932/practical-concept-handbook-for-navigating-the-workplace/4943#4943" CreationDate="2018-07-24T14:21:05.983" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="16020" PostId="5404" Score="0" Text="@Myles It appears we have had some progress recently, so I will continue to spearhead it when I see it." CreationDate="2018-07-24T14:24:20.283" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15923" PostId="5408" Score="3" Text="Ohhhhhh... I saw those and thought, for some reason, those links were to edit the content of the item, which I did not want to do.&#xA;&#xA;Perhaps the [Privileges](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges) page can have its wording updated so someone who at least goes searching the help will figure out what's going on (make sure it still has the word &quot;comment&quot; to be searchable). Alternately, perhaps a different link text that doesn't sound like &quot;edit this post in a to-be-approved form&quot;." CreationDate="2018-07-17T21:14:53.310" UserId="5483" />
  <row Id="15924" PostId="5408" Score="7" Text="Ah! Found one more thing. This additional mismatch was part of the disconnect: &quot;suggest improvements |  show 7 more comments&quot;. If they're called &quot;comments&quot; then clearly &quot;suggest improvements&quot; is not the same thing. How about just &quot;show 7 more&quot; or maybe &quot;show 7 more improvement suggestions&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-07-17T21:18:55.083" UserId="5483" />
  <row Id="15925" PostId="5408" Score="5" Text="@CodeSeeker it's just a temporary experiment, so changing those things on the priviledges may not be worth it. However, the show X more comments thing is really relevant, but again, bound to the temporal limits of the experiment :)" CreationDate="2018-07-17T21:33:10.633" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15977" PostId="5411" Score="0" Text="Hi DarkCygnus, I agree with your first point: just because a question/answer is popular and getting a lot of votes does not necessarily mean it is *on topic*. Some of your other points though refer to the question being too broad; however, the question was held because it was opinion-based. It seems to me that being broad and being opinion-based are two different things (hence the two distinct flags)." CreationDate="2018-07-19T21:28:45.120" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="15982" PostId="5411" Score="0" Text="@Time4Tea so... should we reopen so we can then close again for the correct reason? If you read my answer carefully, in one of the points I said that *&quot;It is quite opinion based&quot;* (the last point). The others, according to *my* interpretation, fell better into the broad category and not so much opinion based, but can also be opinion based (&quot;any suggestions&quot; is opinion based, and also broad, &quot;how should I&quot; is also opinionated and broad, plus lacking a goal)." CreationDate="2018-07-19T22:10:12.913" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15995" PostId="5411" Score="0" Text="I admit it might seem like I'm being pedantic. However, I think the closure reason matters, because if I am considering editing the question to improve it (which I am), it would help if the reason for it being closed is accurate. If the *main* reason was it being too broad, that might be easier to fix with an edit than if it was opinion-based, as that seems to me to be more to do with the fundamental topic (so maybe I'd be wasting my time trying to fix it)." CreationDate="2018-07-23T00:00:02.307" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="15996" PostId="5411" Score="0" Text="I guess the bottom-line for me is that personally I think the underlying question is valid and is a good question for the site, and I feel like it should be possible to re-write it in a way that would be valid. What I'm fishing for is: is it worth my while to try to re-write it, or is the underlying question simply off-topic and un-salvageable?" CreationDate="2018-07-23T00:03:37.180" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="15997" PostId="5411" Score="0" Text="@Time4Tea I'd say it's salvageable, that is why I said I wouldnt Vote to reopen in it current form... if it were edited I would reconsider :)" CreationDate="2018-07-23T01:51:24.093" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16078" PostId="5412" Score="2" Text="It's depressing how little knowledge about gender pay gap statistics that discussion shows." CreationDate="2018-07-31T19:02:58.447" UserId="34408" />
  <row Id="15929" PostId="5413" Score="0" Text="This seem to be part of a pattern of questions being voted to be closed very hastily (look at the last 3-4 meta questions). Usually, the same users seem to be involved. Could there even be some possible malicious intent here?" CreationDate="2018-07-18T17:20:23.277" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="15930" PostId="5413" Score="2" Text="@Time4Tea I don't think that the intent is malicious.  Some of us are more quick to close than others.  What defines a duplicate has been a hot button for a while." CreationDate="2018-07-18T17:22:43.920" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15931" PostId="5413" Score="0" Text="ok, clearly you've been on the site longer than I have. It just seems that a lot of questions are getting closed lately by the same handful of people, for questionable reasons." CreationDate="2018-07-18T17:25:25.557" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="15932" PostId="5413" Score="5" Text="@Time4Tea yes, and I've been railing against that for some time." CreationDate="2018-07-18T17:26:20.620" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15935" PostId="5413" Score="0" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because the question is asking for legal advice in in current form and any editing makes it a duplicate.  If you want the question reopened please edit it into a state that is on topic and not a duplicate" CreationDate="2018-07-18T18:03:00.353" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15945" PostId="5413" Score="6" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings you feeling okay?" CreationDate="2018-07-18T19:56:40.550" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15937" PostId="5414" Score="6" Text="The issue is someone believes they are being discriminated against.  And they want to understand how they can address this discrimination effectively, professionally, and with the least risk possible.  This is squarely in the wheelhouse of &quot;Navigating the workplace&quot; and is something that our experts should be able to address." CreationDate="2018-07-18T18:07:31.560" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15940" PostId="5414" Score="2" Text="I am not saying the OP was discriminated against... that is for court to decide.  But how a person in a workplace should address the issue if they believe it was is completely on topic." CreationDate="2018-07-18T19:24:52.327" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15942" PostId="5414" Score="2" Text="@RichardU Gender based bias in the workplace is a real problem. You can question if it is happening in this case, however comparing it to a ludicrous senaro is neither helpful or respectful to the questioner." CreationDate="2018-07-18T19:43:03.323" UserId="87542" />
  <row Id="15943" PostId="5414" Score="0" Text="@BenMz With all due respect, the fact that something **DOES** happen does not mean that it happened in this case and the **BELIEF** that something happened/is happening is not something we can base an answer on.  Discrimination towards autistics happens as well, and I would have the same answer for another autistic if he or she claimed discrimination without any sort of support." CreationDate="2018-07-18T19:52:42.073" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15944" PostId="5414" Score="3" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings and if discrimination was in fact **NOT** occurring, the OP would be moving on bad advice.  Now, if the question were &quot;How can I determine if I am being discriminated against&quot;  Then **THAT** would not be a duplicate.  However, since the OP just provided a belief, the answer is the same as referenced in the linked post." CreationDate="2018-07-18T19:54:42.317" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15946" PostId="5414" Score="5" Text="@RichardU - The goal of stack exchange is to provide answers to questions.  That means that sometimes people will get advice that leads them in directions they will regret.  It should not be our place to try to prevent that by censoring questions that could have that potential.  But rather just to provide them with answers to the questions they ask." CreationDate="2018-07-18T20:05:23.887" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15947" PostId="5414" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings yes, but we explicitly don't answer questions for things that are not even hypothetical." CreationDate="2018-07-18T20:08:25.883" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15948" PostId="5414" Score="0" Text="This is not that.  If these were shapes this would be a star and your hypo would be a circle.  The star may fit through a hole intended for the circle. But it is still a star and not a circle." CreationDate="2018-07-18T20:14:05.327" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15949" PostId="5414" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I'd vote to reopen if the OP posted some support for her position that couldn't be explained by something other than discrimination.  Bad negotiation, for example.  Not every discrepancy is due to malice." CreationDate="2018-07-18T20:16:47.867" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15951" PostId="5414" Score="5" Text="@RichardU - My point is we should not be the gatekeepers of what is discrimination.  Just explain how to deal with it if you think it is happening to you. I would think the answer of what to do should help the OP determine if it is actually happening to her." CreationDate="2018-07-18T20:43:55.100" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="15953" PostId="5414" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings not gatekeepers of discrimination, just of the site and keeping out squishy questions." CreationDate="2018-07-18T22:26:37.003" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15955" PostId="5414" Score="1" Text="I'm curious what evidence you would accept that proves it's a gender issue. &quot;How can I address sexism in the workplace that results in me being paid less?&quot; is a valid question, which there can never be proof for, because an employer would never admit to it - so how are we suppose to discuss it? You're saying without proof, we can't, and I'm saying there can never be proof.....so...do you see the issue?" CreationDate="2018-07-19T06:31:02.230" UserId="60338" />
  <row Id="15959" PostId="5414" Score="2" Text="@RichardU Can you please explain why this particular claim requires evidence which cannot be explained by other phenomena, but the vast majority of other claims do not?" CreationDate="2018-07-19T09:28:45.090" UserId="90389" />
  <row Id="15963" PostId="5414" Score="2" Text="@PhoshiSounds like you fave some ideas of your own, please feel free to propose your own question." CreationDate="2018-07-19T12:15:08.710" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15966" PostId="5414" Score="1" Text="@RichardU: Comments are here to help people improve their answers. Your answer would be improved by explaining why this claim needs to be treated differently to other claims. Whether or not I have my own ideas is irrelevant to that point - this is what comments are for." CreationDate="2018-07-19T16:41:14.293" UserId="90389" />
  <row Id="15969" PostId="5414" Score="0" Text="Woah, where did that come from? Literally all I've asked for is for is elaboration on a claim! I'm not sure why that's &quot;obtuse&quot;, and the rest is just baseless unwarranted personal attacks. Please can we keep this discussion civil?" CreationDate="2018-07-19T18:39:54.663" UserId="90389" />
  <row Id="15956" PostId="5415" Score="1" Text="consider this as a [decent main thread to link to](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3583/168). For the second part of your answer (helping one asker vs knowledge repository) my favorite reference is [this one from MSO](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/255019/839601), &quot;The primary purpose is to build a repository of questions and answers. By its very nature, of course, that is going to help people, and that is the rationale behind creating the site... but it is _not_ the rationale behind _using_ it...&quot;" CreationDate="2018-07-19T09:16:40.963" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15962" PostId="5415" Score="1" Text="@gnat Good find, didn't think to check the SO meta." CreationDate="2018-07-19T10:20:22.147" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15978" PostId="5415" Score="0" Text="There are several things I disagree with here. For a start, I think saying that 'the site is a Q&amp;A repository, not an advice column' is a bit spurious. I mean, if the main goal of a Q&amp;A site is not to help people with their problems, then what is it? (I have been using SE sites for several years, btw, before I joined TWP)" CreationDate="2018-07-19T21:35:23.387" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="15979" PostId="5415" Score="0" Text="You also say that 'Strictly speaking the help that answers provide to the single original author is incidental to the main goal of provide answers and advice for those that follow'. Sure, I completely agree. However, I would say the number of up-votes the highest-rated answer received is an indication that it is helping many more people other than the OP." CreationDate="2018-07-19T21:37:38.560" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="15980" PostId="5415" Score="0" Text="Another point is that the question you linked to about 'what is the purpose of Stack Overflow?' relates to *Stack Overflow*, which is a different site in the SE network. It seems to me reasonable to expect that different SE sites might have different rules/mission statements, given that they cover a wide range of topics from very serious (Physics, Programming) to more light-hearted (Role-playing Games, Coffee appreciation)." CreationDate="2018-07-19T21:40:35.763" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="15981" PostId="5415" Score="0" Text="Lastly, the question I asked was in relation to a specific question on TWP: 'should *this specific* question be re-opened?' So, I think the fact that you didn't actually read the linked question detracts from the relevancy of your answer. You are answering a very specific question in a general way." CreationDate="2018-07-19T21:43:25.473" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="15984" PostId="5415" Score="1" Text="@Time4Tea wrt goal of this site, [&quot;You have it backwards, I think...&quot;](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/255019/839601)" CreationDate="2018-07-20T04:55:11.640" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15986" PostId="5415" Score="1" Text="@Time4Tea I can only give you the information, you have to decide what to do with it. I've answered every single question you just put in the comments so I'm not sure repeating myself would help. As for the SO Meta: it was and to some extent still is common for site-wide questions to be asked on the main SO meta rather than the SE meta. And the topic discussed there is the core SE philosophy which is shared across all sites, regardless of their individual theme. Really, **this is just how SE works**. You are free to disagree with that but you're not going to convince us." CreationDate="2018-07-20T06:50:22.590" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="15957" PostId="5416" Score="3" Text="What evidence would be sufficient? I do not believe any other question is required to provide evidence that the scenario is really what is happening, and in fact it is extremely common for the questions to be based around what the person thinks is happening and the answers to respect that. The only difference here is that the question is believing something we have ample evidence is endemic in the industry - surely giving it _more_ weight, not less. We do not require hard evidence for the vast majority of claims, so suddenly requiring it for this one needs a lot of justification." CreationDate="2018-07-19T09:25:24.187" UserId="90389" />
  <row Id="15958" PostId="5416" Score="2" Text="@Phoshi I don't know, but what was provided (_I'm a woman and he's a man_) does not scream discrimination to me. This scenario is very common regardless of gender, so there's no reason to escalate by assuming sexism. I will not respond to your assertion of endemicity of sexism because it is assuming guilt where none has been demonstrated." CreationDate="2018-07-19T09:28:17.527" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="15960" PostId="5416" Score="4" Text="Sure, but we believe other askers when they state that they believe something is occurring. Why are they not held to the same standards of proof? It might not &quot;scream discrimination to you&quot; but I'm not sure why that means the question should be closed and not answered. Offering hard proof of this kind of thing is is often _impossible_, and at very least risks compromising somebody's identity, which can have real consequences. That's why we don't require it for _other_ claims of similar severity." CreationDate="2018-07-19T09:34:42.643" UserId="90389" />
  <row Id="15961" PostId="5416" Score="0" Text="@Phoshi It sounds like you have an answer of your own to contribute. I can't speak for other Qs, only for this one. I invite you to consider transferring your comments to an answer so your arguments are not recorded on something as transient as comments." CreationDate="2018-07-19T09:40:13.850" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="15964" PostId="5417" Score="4" Text="It was answered by Masked Man, who is in India, gave what a lay person's knowledge to that issue would be.  As any workplace question that any lay person, up to someone with basic HR knowledge is on topic even if it has legal ramifications, the only thing left is India.  We have someone from India who can and has answered the question.  I'm loath to call something bigotry, but it appears to me that there is **some** reason behind all of this genuflecting." CreationDate="2018-07-19T15:43:38.847" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15965" PostId="5417" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I think it's because we've trained ourselves to be averse to legal-sounding questions. Decades of &lt;IANAL&gt;&lt;/IANAL&gt; does take its toll" CreationDate="2018-07-19T15:48:27.897" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="15998" PostId="5417" Score="1" Text="*&quot;The accepted answer doesn't mention reprecautions with future employers and only addresses OP's legal risk.&quot;* The accepted answer also doesn't mention what happens if a war breaks out between India and China. Why? Because that's not relevant to the question. Same as &quot;precautions with future employers&quot; because that is neither asked for nor necessary. If there is absolutely no risk for the OP and he hasn't asked for it, I don't see why it has to be explicitly stated." CreationDate="2018-07-23T03:23:33.590" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15999" PostId="5417" Score="0" Text="*&quot;It is closed because of a lack of knowledge of India, specifically, Indian law.&quot;* That makes no sense. The question has already been answered based on knowledge of Indian law, and it even explicitly mentions what Indian courts would do with such a legal case." CreationDate="2018-07-23T03:26:55.647" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="16002" PostId="5417" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan I'm glad you agree with my main point - that the question (and answer) are basically about law. The reason for closing (my 3rd paragraph) is not a justification, but an observation; it is answered (by one person) in terms of Indian law, but closed (by many) due to lack of knowledge on the subject, and, I posit, due to unwillingness to deal with the subject of law." CreationDate="2018-07-23T08:03:52.007" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16003" PostId="5417" Score="3" Text="@rath It is a legal question that can be answered by a competent HR. I don't need to be a lawyer to know that stealing company property is illegal, for example. If people lack knowledge on the subject, they should leave it for someone who has the knowledge." CreationDate="2018-07-23T08:26:15.690" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="15970" PostId="5418" Score="1" Text="Here's the problem I have.  If anyone approaches a situation where they **perceive** discrimination, and there is none, they can damage their reputation.  I know this because when I was young and stupid, I did the same thing and I learned from it.  When you are in a group that faces discrimination, it is important to exhaust all other venues.  That way, there's no plausible deniability.  The OP gave us that she was paid less (not uncommon, I'm in that situation now) and that she was a woman and assumed discrimination.  If she runs with that and it just turns out to be her negiotating skills..." CreationDate="2018-07-19T19:13:44.843" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15971" PostId="5418" Score="0" Text="Then she'll be underpaid **AND** have a bad reputation." CreationDate="2018-07-19T19:14:10.113" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15972" PostId="5418" Score="5" Text="@RichardU and in that situation, a good answer would show the OP how to think about an approach the problem so as to minimize damage.  Lots of people *think* they're being discriminated against; some of them are and many of them are not.  Both of them will ask their questions in the same way.  We shouldn't be in the business of judging who's right and who's wrong, but we *should* be giving them the tools to approach their problem constructively." CreationDate="2018-07-19T19:17:03.953" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15973" PostId="5418" Score="1" Text="I see (and cede) your point.  thank you.  Actually, I think I have a good answer for it now." CreationDate="2018-07-19T19:22:10.413" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15974" PostId="5418" Score="0" Text="@RichardU then the discussion helped -- we get a good answer out of it. :-)  (No slight of existing answers intended; I haven't looked.  But now we will get another.)" CreationDate="2018-07-19T19:23:09.490" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="15975" PostId="5418" Score="0" Text="Thanks.  I think I can add to this because I  **HAVE** gone through discrimination and know the tactics they use." CreationDate="2018-07-19T19:28:16.760" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15976" PostId="5418" Score="0" Text="Well, I hope mine is good.  I tried to back it up." CreationDate="2018-07-19T19:40:48.707" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15985" PostId="5419" Score="1" Text="cross-site duplicate: [How to ask and self-answer a correct, high quality Q&amp;A pair without attracting downvotes?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/314272/839601)" CreationDate="2018-07-20T04:56:06.007" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15987" PostId="5419" Score="0" Text="@gnat  That's not what I'm asking at all.  Is your definition of &quot;duplicate&quot; along the lines of &quot;both posts have words&quot;" CreationDate="2018-07-20T11:12:07.347" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15988" PostId="5419" Score="1" Text="no it is. From what I could tell your background allows to ask and self-answer a really useful question on this topic, and the only risk (well known at sites having more experience with self-answered questions) is that you make some mistake, and the referred post helps to avoid that. BTW I recall a case at SE.SE when expert in particular topic posted a spectacular self-answer as reply to absolutely awful question - back then we managed to salvage it but it was somewhat painful and would want to avoid this here" CreationDate="2018-07-20T11:39:18.277" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="15989" PostId="5419" Score="1" Text="@gnat good point.  The hardest part is indeed going to be coming up with the questions." CreationDate="2018-07-20T12:24:25.010" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16085" PostId="5419" Score="0" Text="Beyond what @gnat said, if you ask and self-answer a question on a &quot;niche&quot; topic &quot;only&quot; because you think it's useful content, there is a very high chance that other people will downvote it (either because they suspect you're just trying to amass reputation &quot;for free&quot;, or because they see a threat in not being able to answer themselves, or for lack of imagination on what is a good question for the site even there are few similar ones). So it's better to plan that a significant chunk of the posts will be deleted and that you'll need to pay a reputation cost to do something you believe useful." CreationDate="2018-08-02T13:41:43.600" UserId="34408" />
  <row Id="16087" PostId="5419" Score="0" Text="@Nemo I have more than adequate reputation, and disabilities are very common in the workplace." CreationDate="2018-08-02T15:30:53.687" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15983" PostId="5421" Score="0" Text="I know we have at least three regulars with autism, myself included.  I used to do some work with the comission for the blind, and I know plenty about the rest of my disabilities as well, and you are correct,  Some require VERY different accommodations.  I also have some input for psychiatric problems as well." CreationDate="2018-07-20T02:46:18.757" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="15991" PostId="5422" Score="1" Text="Question is now open again" CreationDate="2018-07-20T23:13:32.057" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15990" PostId="5424" Score="0" Text="also voted to reopen" CreationDate="2018-07-20T16:50:10.057" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="15993" PostId="5424" Score="0" Text="Thank you.  I don't understand how the 5 people who voted to close that question can be moderators.  I spend a _lot_ more time on StackExchange sites than my lowly reputation implies, and this is far from the first time I've seen a question closed in a harsh way that alienates members of the community.  1 of those 5 is quite rude on a regular basis.  SO and SE are effectively without peer, and so when you're rejected from asking a good question here, it leaves a meaningful feeling of frustration and despair." CreationDate="2018-07-21T01:05:37.307" UserId="7553" />
  <row Id="15994" PostId="5424" Score="1" Text="@pbarranis The 5 people who voted to close are not moderators. Only one of them is, and he too became a moderator about a year *after* the question was closed. Moderators have a diamond next to their user name. Our community does tend to close a lot of questions, which is a concern raised before, and which we are trying to address." CreationDate="2018-07-21T12:20:24.793" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="16095" PostId="5425" Score="0" Text="too many factors in the calculation, most of which we wouldn't know, so a good answer would be so broad as to be essentially useless. The best edit would change the question to... 'what factors should I include in my negotiation calculations.' and the answer would still be dependent on too many unknowns." CreationDate="2018-08-04T19:03:14.293" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16009" PostId="5427" Score="0" Text="The post is now open again, if you wish to place your bounty :)" CreationDate="2018-07-23T18:09:42.547" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16024" PostId="5427" Score="0" Text="I don't think you have enough rep to place a bounty" CreationDate="2018-07-24T20:12:19.660" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16000" PostId="5428" Score="0" Text="I understand that you answered in a more general way but I just figured out I can attempt at reopening that question, so there's still hope. (I'll accept as soon as the grace period ends)" CreationDate="2018-07-23T06:57:12.260" UserId="90357" />
  <row Id="16001" PostId="5428" Score="0" Text="@user90357 Yes, you can get the question reopened and place the bounty then. I didn't mention it because that's not really why you should try to reopen a question. You should do so if you think the close reason isn't justified or you've updated the question. Wanting to award a bounty makes reopening even more problematic since if you place a bounty on it right after its reopened, other users will *not* be able to close it again as long as your bounty remains up. That said, don't let it stop you from making bona fide edits to your question to make it stand on its own and deserves reopening." CreationDate="2018-07-23T07:04:54.763" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16006" PostId="5429" Score="0" Text="The post already has 4 reopen votes." CreationDate="2018-07-23T15:29:21.777" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16004" PostId="5430" Score="0" Text="It was not asking for advice. It was asking on what is the way or norm of doing something like that. The question generally ask on what is the process." CreationDate="2018-07-23T12:17:07.927" UserDisplayName="user15704" />
  <row Id="16005" PostId="5430" Score="0" Text="I agree the question should be reopened. It has two reopen votes now. [Let me see if I can find some more voters at the water cooler](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/45792010#45792010). :)" CreationDate="2018-07-23T12:28:57.153" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="16007" PostId="5430" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan - You have mod powers.  If you think it should be reopened then use them.  That is why you were elected was to take moderator action where it is appropriate." CreationDate="2018-07-23T17:03:16.867" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16008" PostId="5430" Score="2" Text="@IDrink Being elected a moderator doesn't mean I have given up my regular membership of the community. Moderators do not override the community. The appropriate moderator action here was to obtain community feedback." CreationDate="2018-07-23T17:21:04.593" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="16010" PostId="5430" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Key words being &quot;where it is appropriate&quot;. Moderators are supposed to be exception handlers. There's no reason why this question couldn't be handled by the community, as it has been." CreationDate="2018-07-23T18:13:57.353" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16011" PostId="5430" Score="0" Text="*Moderators are supposed **Only** to be  exception handlers* - Citation needed. (Insertion of explicit only mine but implied in original statement)" CreationDate="2018-07-23T18:16:45.363" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16012" PostId="5430" Score="1" Text="Moderators are allowed to use our powers (we have them, after all), but should be restrained.  If I think it's *obvious* that something should be closed/reopened/deleted/undeleted, I'll do it -- especially close/delete because it reduces the damage.  I'll reopen something if the OP has made a real effort, I'm satisfied, and the community is just nit-picking.  But *usually* we want the community to do these things." CreationDate="2018-07-23T18:19:53.890" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16017" PostId="5430" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - Reopening questions that were closed inappropriately seems to fall in to the middle of where appropriate." CreationDate="2018-07-24T13:05:32.910" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16018" PostId="5430" Score="2" Text="For the record **I'm happy with how this instance was handled**, and would've been happy if it didn't get reopened. 1) I drew attention to a question, 2) someone (who happened to be a mod) boosted it (although he didn't vote himself), 3) the question got reopened. @IDrinkandIKnowThings Correct me if I'm wrong, you seem to suggest that mods should reopen questions willy-nilly. Is this the case, and if so, could you please add Meta post so we can discuss it properly?" CreationDate="2018-07-24T13:11:08.913" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16021" PostId="5430" Score="0" Text="I suspect the problem is the title &quot;*Is it ok for me to spend all day working for a prospective employer as part of the interview process*&quot; - Sure, **if you want to**." CreationDate="2018-07-24T14:32:42.200" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="16013" PostId="5432" Score="0" Text="I can confirm this happens to me also with Chrome on my Linux computer, but not on Firefox (could this be a network-wide bug?) Seems to me that the question you linked has 5 tags. Have you tried with other questions, perhaps some that don't have 5 tags? Or in other sites? (I'm busy right now but will check out later)" CreationDate="2018-07-23T21:45:11.237" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16014" PostId="5432" Score="0" Text="I tried in SO and it seems that the bug is there as well..." CreationDate="2018-07-23T22:04:40.457" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16015" PostId="5432" Score="1" Text="That happens to me any time I edit a tag list where the width of the existing tags exceeds the width of the edit box (long tag names and several tags).  Definitely Chrome; I think Firefox too.  It's irritating. :-(" CreationDate="2018-07-23T22:38:16.080" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16016" PostId="5432" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio I tried in FF and no problem... I also tested with some posts with 5 tags but found no problem; seems that what you say, regarding the width exceeding the box, is the cause of this issue on Chrome (some sort of overflow of some sort)" CreationDate="2018-07-23T22:45:25.807" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16022" PostId="5432" Score="1" Text="I just checked and I get this behavior in Firefox.  On the linked question, I see half of one tag." CreationDate="2018-07-24T19:11:06.427" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16027" PostId="5432" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Should this be bumped to the main Meta site, or do site mods get pinged for [meta-tag:bug] tags on individual site metas as well?" CreationDate="2018-07-25T11:40:03.350" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16028" PostId="5432" Score="0" Text="@DavidK devs are supposed to monitor bugs on per-site metas, but if somebody wants to post on main meta that wouldn't be wrong.  Ideally, reproduce the problem on another site to validate the claim that it's not just us (something in our design)." CreationDate="2018-07-25T14:19:24.143" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16030" PostId="5432" Score="0" Text="I posted here because I am a dev and I found a bug I could reproduce.  As a dev I appreciate people giving me this type of info.   Feel free to post on main and risk the wrath of the Meta.SE NIMBY Folks." CreationDate="2018-07-25T14:34:18.563" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16029" PostId="5433" Score="1" Text="I recall I VTC because the &quot;right&quot; approach is ambiguous and dependent on the company. I'm on mobile, so can't move freely; will check it again when I get to PC to reconsider." CreationDate="2018-07-25T14:31:51.240" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16031" PostId="5433" Score="2" Text="Yup, I reread it and still find it broad and dependent on the company. I see that someone even casted a vote to delete. I won't cast vote to delete, but won't cast vote to reopen also." CreationDate="2018-07-25T20:46:00.337" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16038" PostId="5433" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus The company will of course react according to its own policies - but the OP is not the company, and he has no policies of his own :) This is why I disagree with the close reason as stated. But yes, please consider adding that as an answer so we can comment properly" CreationDate="2018-07-26T12:33:00.647" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16039" PostId="5434" Score="0" Text="To the down voters:  Why do you think these are duplicates?" CreationDate="2018-07-26T14:35:29.817" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16041" PostId="5434" Score="0" Text="I suspect it is because `!duplicate != ShouldBeReopened`" CreationDate="2018-07-26T16:21:29.973" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16042" PostId="5434" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings would be nice to know why though...." CreationDate="2018-07-26T17:15:15.343" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16046" PostId="5438" Score="0" Text="Ah ok, I have read that and now I understand. (I do not agree though, but that's something I have commented on at your linked post.) I also note that, here, it _is_ named &quot;add a comment&quot;, so that inconsistency just makes it all the more confusing." CreationDate="2018-07-27T19:27:42.380" UserId="32713" />
  <row Id="16048" PostId="5438" Score="0" Text="@KlaymenDK yeah, it's a temporary experiment, not (yet) a permanent change, so they only changed it in the one place.  Besides, comments are usually more appropriate on meta, where we discuss issues about the site." CreationDate="2018-07-27T22:45:29.693" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16054" PostId="5441" Score="28" Text="No, you're not the only one.   You have quite a few people in here who agree with you." CreationDate="2018-07-30T13:14:41.500" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16080" PostId="5441" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling, how about this: I'm asking (a) why people find it so easy to consider questions problematic, and (b) if they _are_ problematic, why people find it so easy to close them (or put them &quot;on hold&quot;) rather than either edit to fix them, or make comments with suggested fixes.  Why is &quot;vote to close&quot; far more popular than either of those?" CreationDate="2018-08-01T10:47:55.307" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="16083" PostId="5441" Score="1" Text="Can someone clarify, if 5 people vote to close a question for different reasons then which reason is shown?" CreationDate="2018-08-01T17:04:39.993" UserId="87542" />
  <row Id="16084" PostId="5441" Score="4" Text="@BenMz It's usually majority vote, but [not always](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/187300). And &quot;off topic&quot; classifies as 1 reason - it used to display all off topic reasons if multiple were selected, not sure if it's still doing that." CreationDate="2018-08-01T17:37:10.030" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16090" PostId="5441" Score="4" Text="Note that because of the high number of users here, close votes come fast. It's worse on [SU] and [SO]" CreationDate="2018-08-03T13:03:24.543" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="16098" PostId="5441" Score="2" Text="Finally, this site might actually be useful for something." CreationDate="2018-08-07T00:44:13.057" UserDisplayName="user90968" />
  <row Id="16163" PostId="5441" Score="1" Text="Question-closing and &quot;Marked-as-duplicate&quot; is out-of-hand in Workplace at the moment. For other Stack discussions, I shan't comment for now. For example, https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/60175/how-to-ask-for-a-raise-on-the-basis-of-merit-not-another-job-offer-as-the-pres?rq=1 is clearly not a duplicate because it relates specifically to tech and startups not generic &quot;how do I leave my job&quot; questions. It is indeed unfortunate that both the question-asker and the question-answerer are getting reduced chances to get pertinent, helpful replies." CreationDate="2018-08-14T03:51:18.430" UserId="90305" />
  <row Id="16058" PostId="5442" Score="23" Text="_Some folks never ask any questions, seldom provide any answers, yet are very quick on the voting trigger_ Well put." CreationDate="2018-07-30T14:39:20.757" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16070" PostId="5442" Score="17" Text="I hate seeing the community close questions that were easily editable at the time.  (No, that's not always the case -- but it does happen.)  People, if you can fix a problem to *avert* the close/angst/reopen-if-you're-lucky cycle, please do it!" CreationDate="2018-07-30T18:10:37.897" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16072" PostId="5442" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio THIS is spot on" CreationDate="2018-07-31T13:08:28.430" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16075" PostId="5442" Score="12" Text="I've seen questions closed over a single word or phrase. &quot;What can I do to resolve this&quot; is off-topic, but &quot;How can I resolve this&quot; is on-topic. Is there really a difference between those two?" CreationDate="2018-07-31T13:38:55.157" UserId="44419" />
  <row Id="16076" PostId="5442" Score="9" Text="@Belle-Sophie - I don't see a difference. Sometimes it's magic." CreationDate="2018-07-31T13:46:28.160" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16091" PostId="5442" Score="1" Text=".. or leave a comment asking for asking for clarification and then 'Skip'" CreationDate="2018-08-03T13:04:30.910" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="16145" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="I know from Stack Overflow that there a chat rooms dedicated to closing questions or other meta activities for instance. I'm quite new here, is the Workplace community active in chat? @JoeStrazzere Maybe you and/or someone else could create a &quot;review closed questions&quot; chat room to regroup volunteers for this task?" CreationDate="2018-08-12T13:47:22.980" UserId="76073" />
  <row Id="16146" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="@Pac0 - I  don't think I can create a Chat room. Frankly, I'm not really interested in a long discussion about each Closed question. I plan to review closed questions when I have time and Vote to Reopen those that I think should be reopened. I usually also leave a comment. I'd suggest you could do the same." CreationDate="2018-08-12T16:12:25.653" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16150" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="I completely understand the &quot;not want to have long discussion&quot;, was merely suggesting that for the sake of &quot;easy joining&quot; about your last call at the end of your answer. And unfortunately, I am still too newbie here to participate in the votes or review queues, but I will try to follow your commenting advice. I also prefer helping and welcoming comments over only downvoting / flagging / voting to close. And thank you anyway for your constructive involvement, and to all other that help the positive and welcoming trend." CreationDate="2018-08-12T17:35:47.217" UserId="76073" />
  <row Id="16152" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="Our main [chat] is pretty active, and sometimes people bring up questions there that they think should be {closed, reopened, edited,...}.  Feel free to bring up specific cases in the main room." CreationDate="2018-08-12T18:28:31.537" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16189" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="There are just too many blatant bad actors on this site. But now that the Code of Conduct is in place, I will be watching everyone here.  I may have deep pockets.  You all know what that means." CreationDate="2018-08-16T05:34:33.413" UserDisplayName="user90968" />
  <row Id="16192" PostId="5442" Score="0" Text="@codewise - deep pockets? I have no idea what you mean." CreationDate="2018-08-16T14:44:03.527" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16102" PostId="5443" Score="6" Text="I disagree with your first point. As correctly described by Elysian Fields in a different answer the OP was really asking what are the pros/cons of signing that letter so that he could understand how to make the decision for himself.  He just phrased it badly." CreationDate="2018-08-08T03:28:23.303" UserId="36302" />
  <row Id="16059" PostId="5444" Score="6" Text="I believe I did in fact argue the merits of each question in my text above.  I can't know the mind of the closers.  I have to guess based on the nebulous close-reason text given.  Closers (for some reason) don't have to give any specifics beyond the close reason itself.  I'm aware of the principle of reputation threshold; I have a _little_ more than 878 rep on StackOverflow." CreationDate="2018-07-30T14:43:14.343" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="16061" PostId="5444" Score="5" Text="@Kyralessa - You used the term **close police**...  That is quite rude for those of us trying to keep a certian standards not having bad questions for discussion." CreationDate="2018-07-30T14:47:25.027" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16067" PostId="5444" Score="4" Text="@Kyralessa While the wording in your question is a bit strong and perhaps needlessly dismissive, I don't think that constitutes an attack like IDIKT is saying here. But what *is* over the line is calling out specific users because you seem to think they shouldn't be allowed to use the privileges granted to them. Please refrain from using this or any space on the network to single people out in this manner." CreationDate="2018-07-30T15:42:17.057" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16068" PostId="5444" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal Acknowledged.  I will refrain from this in the future." CreationDate="2018-07-30T15:55:43.260" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="16097" PostId="5444" Score="2" Text="I am not clear as to why this is getting down-voted so hard...." CreationDate="2018-08-06T11:49:59.293" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16257" PostId="5444" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi mods have deleted that comment three times now.  Remember to remain constructive." CreationDate="2018-08-30T03:15:22.997" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16066" PostId="5445" Score="2" Text="[guidance at MSE](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/147651/165773) seems to agree with this approach: &quot;If the new question is a better question or has better answers, then vote to close the old one as a duplicate of the new one...&quot;" CreationDate="2018-07-30T15:06:17.857" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="16069" PostId="5445" Score="1" Text="Yup. Actually, I was the one who noticed both questions and decided to VTC the older post first. The link @gnat provides is what I used as guidance." CreationDate="2018-07-30T17:44:49.660" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16079" PostId="5445" Score="0" Text="The problem is the wording of the close message: &quot;This question has been asked **before** and **already** has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please ask a **new** question.&quot; It makes it seem like the original OP did something wrong, when in fact the new OP (apparently) didn't see the old question." CreationDate="2018-08-01T05:02:57.413" UserId="28989" />
  <row Id="16082" PostId="5445" Score="0" Text="@CJDennis if you want the wording changed, that is something the folks at Meta SE would be interested in reviewing. I agree that it *could* be phrased more politely" CreationDate="2018-08-01T15:51:30.087" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16071" PostId="5446" Score="8" Text="&quot;what you could have done was edit the question to remove the &quot;should I do?&quot; and actually write the question your answer addresses, which is basically, &quot;How can I reconcile an offer letter which differs from what was talked about in the interview?&quot;&quot; - I was willing to do that edit." CreationDate="2018-07-31T00:45:51.493" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16073" PostId="5446" Score="7" Text="The importance of a quick edit cannot be understated.  I learned this when I did one and the question went from -7 to +54.  All I did was remove the rant in the question and got to the facts.  Some of these can be easily fixed." CreationDate="2018-07-31T13:10:29.493" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16086" PostId="5447" Score="1" Text="Some people also seem to think that a Q&amp;A website is a book that people will read cover to cover. Cf. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_is_not_paper" CreationDate="2018-08-02T13:45:20.463" UserId="34408" />
  <row Id="16089" PostId="5447" Score="2" Text="Duplicates aren't bad; they can provide valuable breadcrumbs.  If there is a duplicate that already has answers, connecting a new question to it gets the asker to those answers more quickly.  If the asker didn't find that other question the probably other people won't either; now there are *two* ways to get to those answers, the original question and the duplicate.  So maybe somebody won't find the original but will find *this* one and get a solution.  Of course, this depends on the questions *actually* being duplicates; if specific context matters, the question should point that out." CreationDate="2018-08-02T21:53:41.127" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16100" PostId="5447" Score="0" Text="@CJDennis Thank you for going to so much effort to improve my post." CreationDate="2018-08-07T01:12:22.993" UserId="87542" />
  <row Id="16101" PostId="5447" Score="0" Text="You're very welcome!" CreationDate="2018-08-07T01:15:07.117" UserId="28989" />
  <row Id="16106" PostId="5448" Score="1" Text="&quot;I just don't think the question is useful enough to put in the effort.&quot; - why are you judging this? Up/down votes are how usefulness is assessed, and often the results surprise us." CreationDate="2018-08-10T05:36:43.947" UserId="76386" />
  <row Id="16108" PostId="5448" Score="0" Text="@Phueal The question is not appropriate for the site in it's current state and should be closed, so I vote to close it. I could potentially edit it to make it appropriate, but that's too much work to put in for a question I don't personally believe is particularly useful. If others disagree about its usefulness, they're more than welcome to edit it themselves, but if no-one edits it, it should be closed." CreationDate="2018-08-10T08:51:34.760" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16116" PostId="5448" Score="1" Text="To me it just feels very callous. Along with your comment: &quot;I'm just in a bit of an indifferent or lazy mood. Rewriting a question is hard work.&quot; I understand why these would make you skip over a question and not bother to touch it, but the person asking the question is in some kind of predicament and needing assistance. It doesn't help them at all to shut down their question because you can't be bothered with it / aren't interested in it - if you can be bothered, help them fix it; if you can't, then skip over it. Your other reasons seem valid to me." CreationDate="2018-08-10T09:46:30.807" UserId="76386" />
  <row Id="16117" PostId="5448" Score="0" Text="@Phueal Closing a question is a signal that the question has problems that need to be addressed (before it can be answered). That should do more to get the question fixed than just doing nothing. Plenty of questions get reopened, especially on this site - closing is only &quot;shutting a question down&quot; if no-one, including the author, cares enough to try to fix it." CreationDate="2018-08-10T10:11:56.177" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16155" PostId="5448" Score="0" Text="IMO, if a question is *bad* then it should be voted down. By my understanding, voting to close is for when questions are off-topic, duplicates or somehow inappropriate for the site, for very clear and specific reasons." CreationDate="2018-08-13T13:14:38.213" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="16156" PostId="5448" Score="0" Text="@Time4Tea Yes, that matches up with what I meant. Edited." CreationDate="2018-08-13T13:31:14.780" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16157" PostId="5448" Score="0" Text="Ok, I appreciate the edit, as I think it's an important point to clarify. I've reversed my downvote." CreationDate="2018-08-13T13:53:42.743" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="16088" PostId="5449" Score="1" Text="Don't be greedy ;)" CreationDate="2018-08-02T15:53:50.877" UserDisplayName="user47813" />
  <row Id="16092" PostId="5450" Score="1" Text="Accepted answers also ignore the rep cap (as I recently found out - twice :) )" CreationDate="2018-08-03T15:07:45.653" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16094" PostId="5452" Score="1" Text="I don't recall any meanness, just sarcasm and oddball humor.  But agreed, no blowing off steam, and people will leave." CreationDate="2018-08-03T19:02:57.080" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16119" PostId="5454" Score="3" Text="We have some new mods that from what I see have some strong opinions." CreationDate="2018-08-10T12:56:07.780" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="16120" PostId="5454" Score="8" Text="Please post links to the posts where comments were deleted in error." CreationDate="2018-08-10T13:13:59.900" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="16121" PostId="5454" Score="2" Text="@MaskedMan How on earth will I remember those?  You give me way to much credit in the strong memory department sir." CreationDate="2018-08-10T13:55:05.907" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16132" PostId="5454" Score="2" Text="from [help center](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/comment): &quot;You should submit a comment if you want to: - Request **clarification** from the author;&#xA;-   Leave **constructive criticism** that guides the author in improving the post;&#xA;-  Add relevant but **minor or transient information** to a post (e.g. a link to a related question, or an alert to the author that the question has been updated).&quot; (this comment of mine probably falls under _minor or transient information_:)" CreationDate="2018-08-10T16:11:06.413" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="16133" PostId="5454" Score="3" Text="@MisterPositive So, problem solved, I guess? If you don't remember where the deleted comment was posted, you probably have no reason to worry about the comment being deleted." CreationDate="2018-08-10T18:01:50.613" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="16135" PostId="5454" Score="4" Text="You would have better reception if instead of calling the moderators &quot;police&quot; you try to start a reasonable conversation." CreationDate="2018-08-10T18:20:02.100" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16136" PostId="5454" Score="1" Text="@ElysianFields I don't recall using the words moderator's are policing comments...I will re-read it to be sure..... Nope did not do that." CreationDate="2018-08-10T18:53:48.303" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16137" PostId="5454" Score="0" Text="@MaskedMan Completely agree.  You were a community member first." CreationDate="2018-08-10T18:54:09.863" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16139" PostId="5454" Score="1" Text="@MaskedMan one of my comments was removed very quickly after I posted it.  It does happen, I am not the only one on the site that has noticed.  In my case, it may or may not have been a valid deletion, but if you like I can keep a log if you really think it will help.  My main point was to draw attention to something I see as hurtful to the community." CreationDate="2018-08-10T18:59:54.340" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16140" PostId="5454" Score="3" Text="@MisterPositive your original title was: `Comment Deletion Police` and the only people who can delete comments are &lt;&gt; folks... (technically if enough non-moderators flag I guess comments get deleted, too, though that rarely happens except with obvious stuff)" CreationDate="2018-08-10T20:32:34.683" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16142" PostId="5454" Score="2" Text="I understand comments get flagged usually before deletion, but I've seen lots of comments deleted that I wouldn't think were even slightly flagworthy... but they're just comments, not meant to be permanent anyway... I delete quite a few of my own comments every so often." CreationDate="2018-08-11T14:03:57.067" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16154" PostId="5454" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Fair point." CreationDate="2018-08-13T11:19:49.517" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16122" PostId="5455" Score="1" Text="Are you as moderators allowing the comment flagging system to work or are you actively pruning comments on your own?  ( stuff that is not flagged )  I think we should let the flagging system take care of comments, they should not normally need active moderator attention." CreationDate="2018-08-10T13:56:14.987" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16123" PostId="5455" Score="6" Text="A huge amount of comments are flagged." CreationDate="2018-08-10T14:11:14.573" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16124" PostId="5455" Score="2" Text="If the comments are flagged and removed by the community, then so be it.  My issue would be with a moderator just deleting comments that are **not** flagged." CreationDate="2018-08-10T14:23:01.947" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16128" PostId="5455" Score="3" Text="&quot;I'd just like to add a comment saying ...&quot; no, put it in an answer, or risk it being deleted." CreationDate="2018-08-10T15:36:42.927" UserId="12321" />
  <row Id="16130" PostId="5455" Score="0" Text="@AaronHall That will be harmful to the overall value of TWP.  Value can be added, that is not directly an answer, via a comment.   This fact is not disputable.  This site is not the exact clone of others on the stack." CreationDate="2018-08-10T15:39:28.520" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16134" PostId="5455" Score="5" Text="@MisterPositive Moderators are community members too and they too can flag comments like everyone else does. Hence, there is no real reason to make a distinction between comments flagged by mods and non-mods. Moderators don't give up their community citizenship on becoming moderators." CreationDate="2018-08-10T18:05:13.277" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="16141" PostId="5455" Score="3" Text="@MisterPositive the vast majority of flags on this site are on comments.  They are often the hardest flags to moderate.  The other sites I moderate are not like this, by the way." CreationDate="2018-08-10T21:49:24.860" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16138" PostId="5456" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the insight" CreationDate="2018-08-10T18:54:30.637" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16147" PostId="5459" Score="1" Text="Have you tried scrolling to the bottom of the page and hitting the &quot;Mobile&quot; link at the bottom and seeing if that setting sticks?" CreationDate="2018-08-12T16:18:11.307" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16148" PostId="5459" Score="0" Text="@Snow yes, that seems to have done it. I must have hit the opposite link on the mobile page by accident, without realizing it. Thanks!" CreationDate="2018-08-12T16:20:10.137" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="16149" PostId="5459" Score="0" Text="It's easily done. Glad it's sorted out." CreationDate="2018-08-12T16:20:56.473" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16151" PostId="5459" Score="3" Text="The other way I can think of to have this happen is if you accidentally clicked the &quot;request desktop site&quot; option in your browser." CreationDate="2018-08-12T18:26:02.863" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16162" PostId="5459" Score="0" Text="@Snow I'd say you should condense that into an answer for future reference, given it seems it solved Tea's problem :)" CreationDate="2018-08-13T20:45:25.057" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16160" PostId="5461" Score="0" Text="Aha — I thought it was about net reputation gain." CreationDate="2018-08-13T17:48:02.573" UserId="1898" />
  <row Id="16161" PostId="5461" Score="0" Text="@gerrit at first I also thought that, but after several days seeing the behavior of my rep cap counter I concluded such thing." CreationDate="2018-08-13T17:48:48.820" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16164" PostId="5462" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the peek behind the curtain...." CreationDate="2018-08-14T10:56:29.713" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16165" PostId="5462" Score="1" Text="The recent spike in flags appears to coincide with the [change in name from comments to suggestions](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5320/experiment-running-a-comment-by-any-other-name). I wonder if that is consistent with other Stack Exchange sites which have or have not had that naming change." CreationDate="2018-08-14T14:52:45.770" UserId="87542" />
  <row Id="16166" PostId="5462" Score="4" Text="@BenMz the curve has the same shape on Stack Overflow, which didn't get that change, but I didn't ask Shog to check other sites.  That'd be a good thing to ask about when it's time to evaluate that wording change, though." CreationDate="2018-08-14T14:58:51.137" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16167" PostId="5462" Score="0" Text="Monica, spike at SO is most probably only a coincidence: it seems to have its own reasons such as recent [welcoming turmoil](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/welcoming) and opening comments flags for new users [about two weeks ago](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/313203/165773)" CreationDate="2018-08-14T15:50:44.133" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="16180" PostId="5462" Score="1" Text="@gnat Agreed.  SO is a whole different beast." CreationDate="2018-08-15T14:04:37.990" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16182" PostId="5463" Score="0" Text="People feel welcome to come here and have the rules and norms of the community explained., so, why the down votes?" CreationDate="2018-08-15T15:19:13.190" UserId="87542" />
  <row Id="16186" PostId="5463" Score="0" Text="@BenMz, a downvote on a question on meta typically just means &quot;I disagree with your position on this&quot;, not &quot;This is a terrible attempt at a question and should be tarred, feathered &amp; boiled alive&quot;." CreationDate="2018-08-15T18:53:01.783" UserId="36482" />
  <row Id="16187" PostId="5463" Score="1" Text="@brhans yeah but my question is not an opinion or position ! I actually was asking for clarification about stackexchange and its procedures (in this case the negative reputation from a deleted answer to a question that got deleted in agreement with my stated opinion). As Ben Mz said, it was more a cry for help than an outburst of my controversial stand on something. I don't understand the downvotes either,sorry. How can one even disagree with an honest, clear cut question ? Very confusing...maybe I should put this into a question and see how the votes go (;" CreationDate="2018-08-16T04:32:18.490" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="16168" PostId="5464" Score="2" Text="ah, thanks a lot for clearing that up. regarding the votes, I checked before I posted this question and in the event list it says 10x +10 up and 2x -2 down. Oddly different to the summary of the events: +20+30-2 Sorry for the confusion, looks like I'm reading something wrong (I'm fairly new to stackexchange)." CreationDate="2018-08-15T01:46:29.280" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="16169" PostId="5464" Score="0" Text="Seems like there may be an odd duplication error in the notifications, considering it's exactly double. Could you add a screenshot of it to your question if you can still see it?" CreationDate="2018-08-15T01:47:48.237" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="16170" PostId="5464" Score="0" Text="it's gone now after I refreshed the page from earlier.stating 50-2 (;" CreationDate="2018-08-15T01:50:19.437" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="16171" PostId="5464" Score="1" Text="Ah, OK! Sorry about the confusion! If you see it happen again, let me know and we can look into it. :)" CreationDate="2018-08-15T01:51:08.643" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="16172" PostId="5464" Score="0" Text="will do, thanks a lot!" CreationDate="2018-08-15T01:53:15.153" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="16193" PostId="5465" Score="2" Text="It looks like [Snow is on it](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5467/16983). And once your account is recovered, you may need to [merge your accounts](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/merging-accounts) if the mods haven't done that already." CreationDate="2018-08-16T16:11:16.103" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16178" PostId="5467" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your response. The reason I came to meta is due to using the contact form a week ago and then this week and still receiving no response." CreationDate="2018-08-15T12:58:28.140" UserId="91021" />
  <row Id="16179" PostId="5467" Score="0" Text="@andtodd That *usually* means that you don't have a leg to stand on." CreationDate="2018-08-15T14:03:38.943" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16181" PostId="5467" Score="2" Text="well this is ridiculous. I’ve not done anything outside of the rules, I have a real account that I’ve had for a long time and no one from support is willing to assist me ? I have tried to contribute and tried to explain. This is meant to be a site for people to give each other advice and support." CreationDate="2018-08-15T14:09:14.547" UserId="91021" />
  <row Id="16183" PostId="5467" Score="2" Text="@andtodd consider giving a read to this discussion at MSE: [How to vote on friends / colleagues ' questions (or answers)](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/138517/165773)" CreationDate="2018-08-15T15:29:49.847" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="16184" PostId="5467" Score="1" Text="I’ve read that. Specifically “When is upvoting content from one user frowned upon?&#xA;When the purpose of your account's existence is to upvote the other person”. My account has always and will always exist for my own personal use and not for upvoting or down voting anyone. As I mentioned, I’ve been a member of stack overflow for about 5 years with no issues, my colleague has only been a member for 5 months, yet I got deleted." CreationDate="2018-08-15T18:29:11.207" UserId="91021" />
  <row Id="16185" PostId="5467" Score="0" Text="All I did was support the answers of my colleague that I agree with. We disagree on a lot, quite often actually, and if I disagree I won’t support that answer. Just seems very odd that an assumption of a falsified account has been made without contacting me in any way to defend the fact that I’m a real person and real account." CreationDate="2018-08-15T18:32:07.637" UserId="91021" />
  <row Id="16190" PostId="5469" Score="1" Text="thank you for answering.I actually on purpose didn't refer to a question to keep this separate but the points you make about mine are incorrect.the votes I counted were what I had listed in my activity at the time,NOT a mistake on my end.I had a comment discussion with Catija on that.It may have been a bug or a fluke but when she asked me to do a screenshot if I still see it &quot;now&quot; I refreshed my page and it was suddenly changed.Maybe the system updated or someone fixed something.Also,the majority was actually agreeing with me,which is also why the question to which I answered got deleted." CreationDate="2018-08-16T08:22:42.877" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="16196" PostId="5474" Score="6" Text="&quot;Bounty effect&quot;  maybe?" CreationDate="2018-08-18T01:59:54.457" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16205" PostId="5474" Score="4" Text="@JoeStrazzere in this case, a few of us who down-voted were involved in the edit, after the edit we reversed our down-votes.  That would account for at least half the points in the reversal." CreationDate="2018-08-20T16:28:58.003" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16207" PostId="5474" Score="1" Text="@RichardU - yup, that might account for a few." CreationDate="2018-08-20T17:00:49.973" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16223" PostId="5474" Score="1" Text="One useful piece of intel for future reference: anyone above 1000 rep can click the votes to see the breakdown of upvotes and downvotes. In a case like this you'd see that a lot of the original downvotes were reversed, which would cause a big swing in the net score." CreationDate="2018-08-21T19:46:27.750" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16227" PostId="5474" Score="0" Text="I've just learned something new - had no idea that feature existed, thanks!" CreationDate="2018-08-22T12:33:08.050" UserId="70195" />
  <row Id="16194" PostId="5475" Score="0" Text="Ah okay, this makes sense thanks" CreationDate="2018-08-17T07:19:58.430" UserId="83963" />
  <row Id="16200" PostId="5477" Score="12" Text="In my opinion a far greater problem is people treating Workplace as  &quot;Tech Workplace.SE&quot; - some examples here might help you clarify. I actually see the opposite problem frequently (people assuming a question is tech when it's not) and while many questions are very tech specific, most often to the point that they belong on a different site, I rarely see what you are calling out here." CreationDate="2018-08-20T11:25:15.480" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16201" PostId="5477" Score="1" Text="@ElysianFields Agreed.  I've even posted several meta threads about tech people closing and down-voting questions that don't apply to tech environments, such as the shipping industry in non-tech roles and anything blue collar." CreationDate="2018-08-20T12:59:58.003" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16203" PostId="5477" Score="4" Text="Can you provide an example question? I'm always happy to vote to re-open any question that was inappropriately marked as a duplicate." CreationDate="2018-08-20T14:07:49.007" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16202" PostId="5478" Score="3" Text="`And use comments sparingly to try to get improvements to answers/votes that don't seem to relate well to the question being asked.` +1" CreationDate="2018-08-20T13:14:18.403" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16204" PostId="5478" Score="0" Text="It always burns my biscuit when someone obviously unacquainted with the subject decides to argue in the comments and either nit-pick a detail, contradict the answer instead of providing one of his/her own, or just argue." CreationDate="2018-08-20T16:27:17.493" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16206" PostId="5478" Score="0" Text="@RichardU - yup. But a gamified forum like this basically encourages folks to chime in quickly, downvote, vote to close, etc. anyway. It burns, but it is what it is. All we can do is demonstrate and encourage good behavior." CreationDate="2018-08-20T16:59:17.090" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16211" PostId="5478" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere it is a sad state of affairs when I am one of the few acting like an adult in the room." CreationDate="2018-08-20T20:04:55.583" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16212" PostId="5478" Score="0" Text="@RichardU - I think there is only a small group of non-adults in this particular room. But perhaps I am too optimistic..." CreationDate="2018-08-20T20:31:00.717" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16214" PostId="5478" Score="0" Text="Fair enough, marking as accepted answer. I appreciate too the explanation of the method of getting the question re-opened. Thanks." CreationDate="2018-08-21T02:51:00.057" UserId="90305" />
  <row Id="16217" PostId="5478" Score="0" Text="@SaltySub - so can you point out a specific question, so we can decide if we want to vote to re-open it?" CreationDate="2018-08-21T11:11:25.913" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16226" PostId="5478" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere No worries, I will keep this question in view, I just needed clarification on the issue. No specific other question I want re-opened at this stage." CreationDate="2018-08-22T09:41:54.217" UserId="90305" />
  <row Id="16208" PostId="5479" Score="0" Text="It's no bug, it's an experiment: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5320/73791" CreationDate="2018-08-20T19:07:00.687" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16210" PostId="5479" Score="1" Text="If you are the author of the question, why would you wish to comment on it?" CreationDate="2018-08-20T19:48:26.070" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16213" PostId="5479" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere to respond to comments who have follow up questions that might not make sense to add to the question itself such as this reply xD" CreationDate="2018-08-21T00:25:53.983" UserId="11093" />
  <row Id="16215" PostId="5480" Score="0" Text="I have edited the question, and remove many unimportant details. Is it better now?" CreationDate="2018-08-21T06:22:58.067" UserId="91416" />
  <row Id="16216" PostId="5480" Score="0" Text="I have edited the question, and remove many [un]important details. I think the details are important, but maybe now the question is better fit to be on-topic.. [Can't edit a comment after 5 minutes]" CreationDate="2018-08-21T06:28:53.317" UserId="91416" />
  <row Id="16218" PostId="5483" Score="1" Text="I'm still do not understand, let's see your most voted question [How can I prepare for getting hit by a bus?](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/9128/how-can-i-prepare-for-getting-hit-by-a-bus) Following your recommendation, to be sure that your questions will not be closed, will you suggest to reword it to &quot;How can I identify any needed gaps in preparing to hit by as bus&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-08-21T14:01:21.407" UserId="91416" />
  <row Id="16222" PostId="5485" Score="1" Text="I'd say this is actually pretty succintly answered by the off-topic close reason [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2596/25739). Additional questions of interest for the side-bar: [1](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3185/25739), [2](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4058/can-we-ask-for-resume-review-here-in-the-workplace), [3](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3741/25739)." CreationDate="2018-08-21T19:42:02.233" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16220" PostId="5486" Score="2" Text="Yes, I think the key word is **review**. If a post asks for us to review a resume then that would be off-topic. Otherwise, chances are it is on-topic" CreationDate="2018-08-21T16:08:08.883" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16221" PostId="5486" Score="0" Text="Excellent clarity provided sir!" CreationDate="2018-08-21T16:54:17.547" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16224" PostId="5486" Score="0" Text="How to structure and phrase general things on a resume, is fine, to some extent. I'm not so sure about how to build (?) or format a resume though (which I imagine would be things like &quot;which font should I use&quot;, but maybe you had other questions in mind here) - such questions seem highly opinion-based." CreationDate="2018-08-21T19:57:13.003" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16228" PostId="5486" Score="1" Text="@Dukeling - I clarified further" CreationDate="2018-08-22T12:38:36.890" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16229" PostId="5488" Score="0" Text="Looking at the meta linked, it's limited to comments from 20 *posts*, which I guess most people won't hit though I don't understand the rationale. Ultimately you'll have to raise this on main meta though if you want to discuss the topic." CreationDate="2018-08-27T09:27:28.357" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16341" PostId="5488" Score="0" Text="I personally noticed you go back and delete your own comments when they become stale, which I appreciate, and should do more of myself. Does the limit include that action?" CreationDate="2018-09-10T21:56:36.613" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16342" PostId="5488" Score="0" Text="@rath - yes, that's when I hit the limit." CreationDate="2018-09-10T23:50:03.087" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16230" PostId="5489" Score="1" Text="Any time I see an exuberance to guard against bad behavior, I wonder how much of that exuberance is due to psychological projection" CreationDate="2018-08-27T13:19:56.207" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16284" PostId="5489" Score="0" Text="Kind of an odd DoS concern.  I mean, if they want to rate-limit something like comment-deletion, having something like 20-comment-deletions-per-every-5-minutes or something would seem far more than adequate.  I mean, the DoS concern is really about a burst effect, not a throughput rate." CreationDate="2018-09-04T03:06:59.287" UserId="62817" />
  <row Id="16231" PostId="5492" Score="4" Text="*&quot;The StackExchange model is based on facts.&quot;* [Citation needed] See also: https://stackoverflow.blog/2010/09/29/good-subjective-bad-subjective/" CreationDate="2018-08-28T04:27:10.980" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="16250" PostId="5492" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere that's what many downvotes on questions i asked were about. Not facts based, not available for a good answer, doesn't fit Exchange model." CreationDate="2018-08-29T22:04:01.703" UserId="31963" />
  <row Id="16252" PostId="5492" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere which question are you referring to, that has 69 upvotes?" CreationDate="2018-08-29T22:23:25.073" UserId="31963" />
  <row Id="16254" PostId="5492" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I wasnt referring to that question. This question here that you and i are commenting on has 4 downvotes." CreationDate="2018-08-29T22:41:43.480" UserId="31963" />
  <row Id="16255" PostId="5492" Score="0" Text="Never mind. I have no idea what you are getting at." CreationDate="2018-08-29T22:43:22.560" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16243" PostId="5493" Score="0" Text="Good answer. Even if The Workplace doesn't strictly follow the Stack Exchange majority model - I'm okay with that." CreationDate="2018-08-28T21:26:09.913" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16244" PostId="5493" Score="0" Text="I'm ok with that as well. It's just i got confused when sometimes I asked a question that was on the softer side in a harder style Forum so I just wanted to clarify which sites are considered soft and which ones are so called hard." CreationDate="2018-08-28T23:22:08.093" UserId="31963" />
  <row Id="16232" PostId="5494" Score="0" Text="No, it's not worth flagging. I just wait a day then do it. If that breaks a stream of comment-conversation, then someone else will have to flag it to get it cleaned up." CreationDate="2018-08-28T10:33:28.970" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16235" PostId="5495" Score="2" Text="Of course &quot;HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND&quot; isn't a fact. It's an overly general opinion used as a meme here. But I don't think &quot;factual&quot; need be required for a site like this (or there would be precious few answerable questions)." CreationDate="2018-08-28T18:15:52.930" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16237" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere it is in the purest form.  A friend is someone who will stand behind you no matter what.  If you go to HR with &quot;dirty hands&quot;, they will **NOT** stand by you, nor should they.  Perhaps a better way of saying it may be **NEVER ASSUME THAT HR IS YOUR FRIEND**" CreationDate="2018-08-28T18:38:09.907" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16238" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere serious question here.  How would you warn someone who wants to run to HR thinking that they'll take their side in a petty squabble?  I'm open to a different way of putting it." CreationDate="2018-08-28T18:39:13.357" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16239" PostId="5495" Score="1" Text="If you want factual, I like &quot;Never assume that HR is your friend&quot; a slight bit better. Realistically, it's fun to say &quot;HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND&quot;, but if you've worked for any length of time you realize that not all HR reps are the same. I've worked for several companies where I would count HR as among my best friends. We all need to understand the roles of all departments with which we interact. I think we do a disservice to many (and an injustice to some in HR) by the &quot;NOT YOUR FRIEND&quot; non-factual meme." CreationDate="2018-08-28T18:44:27.217" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16240" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere yeah, I had an experience with an HR 10 years ago that still has me walking funny.  Still my brother's company went above and beyond for him, so I see your point." CreationDate="2018-08-28T19:34:19.727" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16241" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere it's actually a memetic mutation of &quot;murphy's laws of combat&quot;  which says **When the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not your friend.**  and we usually reserve the meme for when someone is about to do something that is a CLM in the extreme.  Anyway,  I'll think of something." CreationDate="2018-08-28T19:38:25.723" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16242" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="Mutant memes tend to lose something in the translation. The reference to Mr. Grenade was completely lost on me, for example. Perhaps because I'm not a huge &quot;Murphy's Laws&quot; fan. Either way, I think we can agree that we aren't taking about facts here, right?" CreationDate="2018-08-28T21:23:34.080" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16274" PostId="5495" Score="0" Text="Your personal catch phrase (40% of posts containing it are yours) isn't a fact." CreationDate="2018-09-03T01:59:43.483" UserId="35934" />
  <row Id="16246" PostId="5496" Score="1" Text="I honestly can't tell if you meant this is a sarcastic comment or as an actual answer. If you meant it as an answer, then you are repeating [Snow's answer](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5493/16983). If you meant something different than Snow, then you need to explain your answer. (And really, you should have explanation in your answer no matter what.)" CreationDate="2018-08-29T13:06:32.067" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16267" PostId="5496" Score="3" Text="@DavidK Kilisi is saying exactly the same thing as Snow ◆, and something completely different. His brevity is beautiful, not sarcastic." CreationDate="2018-08-31T16:49:14.043" UserId="87542" />
  <row Id="16247" PostId="5498" Score="0" Text="Interesting results Shog9, thanks for sharing them. Seems that it indeed had some positive effects :) During the experiment, I also noticed [confusion among new users](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5409/73791) regarding the test wording. If this change were to be implemented permanently, how do you think we can address this situation? Most of them were under their own posts, os perhaps reading &quot;suggest improvements&quot; under your post may be confusing (as why would you suggest changes to your post if you can edit it?)" CreationDate="2018-08-29T21:14:33.113" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16248" PostId="5498" Score="1" Text="That's tricky, @DarkCygnus - the easy way out is to just *not change it* when looking at your own post... However, I suspect this might negate a good portion of the benefits. Ideally, we'd be explicitly encouraging folks to edit in this situation..." CreationDate="2018-08-29T21:19:14.947" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="16249" PostId="5498" Score="0" Text="what I miss in this analysis is comparing comments posted by site regulars (those who made at least 3-4 positive score posts or, say, 10 approved edits) and passers-by. Per my observations, in last several months there seem to be quite a sharp difference there - would be interesting to have some data to confirm or disprove this (similar analysis for IPS would be interesting too)" CreationDate="2018-08-29T22:01:11.980" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="16256" PostId="5498" Score="1" Text="...it would be also interesting to compare comments on questions vs answers" CreationDate="2018-08-29T23:19:27.063" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="16260" PostId="5498" Score="2" Text="Is it possible people are commenting (suggesting an improvement) instead of just making the edit themselves? I suppose you could look to see whether edits from people other than the author have decreased." CreationDate="2018-08-30T17:50:28.793" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="16607" PostId="5498" Score="0" Text="*But, there is a difference* -- I think you need some statistical analysis to conclude that. Like, p-values." CreationDate="2018-09-27T08:05:59.433" UserId="45379" />
  <row Id="16633" PostId="5498" Score="1" Text="Actually went up, slightly @JonEricson - just over a 3% increase during the test (and a corresponding drop afterwards, both for 3rd-party edits and edits following comments overall)." CreationDate="2018-09-27T23:28:24.867" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="16634" PostId="5498" Score="2" Text="I'm not a statistician, @Frederico; I can *get* a significant p-value for, say, weekly averages... But I have a hard time trusting that; there's no visceral connection. Folks don't complain that the average number of comments is too high, they complain when those comments are irrelevant and infuriating, or when there's whopping pile of comments on some post and the mods delete 'em all. Are those connected? Sure. And if a p-value of .006 suggests that happened less often, great... But me, I kinda gotta see the shape of it before I really feel comfortable." CreationDate="2018-09-27T23:29:11.547" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="16259" PostId="5500" Score="0" Text="Also, think twice before posting, and make sure if you do it won't reveal or expose something you will then regret and ask to delete. Not doing this will only waste the Community's time and effort in providing quality answers to questions that will be deleted afterwards." CreationDate="2018-08-30T17:39:34.887" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16261" PostId="5500" Score="0" Text="I think the last alternative is to ask for [post disassociation](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/96732/how-do-i-remove-my-name-from-a-post-in-accordance-with-cc-by-sa-3-0) instead of post deletion." CreationDate="2018-08-31T10:23:38.707" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="16262" PostId="5500" Score="0" Text="@AndrewT. Yes. However, that can only be done by SE, and we have been explicitly asked by the Community Team to not do it too often, which is why I didn't mention it in the post." CreationDate="2018-08-31T10:36:42.573" UserId="3192" />
  <row Id="16311" PostId="5503" Score="0" Text="It looks like this is still happening. Do we need to flag this for mods, or should the staff be notified of every [meta-tag:bug] post? If it's not happening on other Stacks, then it shouldn't be pushed to [meta.se]." CreationDate="2018-09-07T16:15:06.323" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16312" PostId="5503" Score="0" Text="@DavidK mods supposedly can see bug tagged posts on all metas... If this still persists perhaps I'll post this on MSE pointing to this post, asking if anyone else has it, and ask for a solution... Do you know of other sites this is happening?" CreationDate="2018-09-07T16:19:21.000" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16313" PostId="5503" Score="0" Text="Not that I'm aware of, but this is really the only site I use the review queue on." CreationDate="2018-09-07T16:20:36.140" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16273" PostId="5505" Score="33" Text="@Kilisi It's quite common to use Meta posts for announcements that impact the entire community. There's no need for a question here." CreationDate="2018-09-03T01:05:14.767" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="16275" PostId="5505" Score="13" Text="I wonder what happened, which made you go from becoming a mod to leaving StackExchange altogether in the span of three months. In any case, best of luck to you!" CreationDate="2018-09-03T08:51:21.787" UserId="53140" />
  <row Id="16279" PostId="5505" Score="11" Text="@Dulkan &quot;Be welcoming&quot; happened... But one's eyes might also just open to what's been there all along without there being any specific event that caused it nor change in the site itself." CreationDate="2018-09-03T21:13:37.887" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16283" PostId="5505" Score="3" Text="@Tas He is not leaving.  He said he will occasionally come back." CreationDate="2018-09-03T22:15:20.080" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="16288" PostId="5506" Score="0" Text="I voted. It's done." CreationDate="2018-09-04T16:39:18.900" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16289" PostId="5506" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere (blows party horn)" CreationDate="2018-09-04T16:57:05.363" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16296" PostId="5506" Score="0" Text="Anyone who wants to re-open any question can feel free to ping me and I'll help. The more open questions the better, IMHO." CreationDate="2018-09-04T19:27:09.847" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16270" PostId="5507" Score="2" Text="you-know-what = posterior ?" CreationDate="2018-09-02T08:22:44.920" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16271" PostId="5507" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi you-know-it." CreationDate="2018-09-02T10:04:21.717" UserId="90305" />
  <row Id="16272" PostId="5508" Score="8" Text="You're probably best off asking this as a question on the main site; you can always reference this meta question." CreationDate="2018-09-02T19:57:05.320" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="16293" PostId="5508" Score="1" Text="It's probably something that mainly needs to be determined on a case-by-case basis based on what you specifically think, but I think the main takeaway should be to (a) admit to yourself that one part is unacceptable no matter how good the other parts are and (b) not just hope things will get better over time (if anything, they'll probably get worse). That's not to say you should never accept anything that's less than perfect (if you do that, you'll never accept anything), but rather you shouldn't accept things you can't live with." CreationDate="2018-09-04T18:47:44.220" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16321" PostId="5508" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling Excellent point." CreationDate="2018-09-09T00:00:42.630" UserId="90305" />
  <row Id="16298" PostId="5510" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry to hear that.  Did you make that clear in the flag?" CreationDate="2018-09-04T22:32:43.957" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16300" PostId="5510" Score="0" Text="yes I did, unimportant now, but at the time it could have identified me just when my country was on a purge prosecuting nationals who said anything detrimental online." CreationDate="2018-09-04T22:46:39.060" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16278" PostId="5511" Score="1" Text="wrt processing flags, per my recollection if an elected moderator steps down, they are replaced with next runner-up at the [most recent elections](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5256/168)" CreationDate="2018-09-03T20:56:56.613" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="16280" PostId="5511" Score="2" Text="Depending on need, so anything further will be communicated when there’s something to communicate." CreationDate="2018-09-03T21:30:01.587" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16286" PostId="5511" Score="1" Text="well, we must have needed two moderators....so if we lost one so quick, do we not need one now?  Not trying to be a jerk at all, Chris E would be next in line, but I don't see how the need for 2 would be diminished." CreationDate="2018-09-04T13:50:51.303" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16297" PostId="5511" Score="1" Text="@gnat I know that I'm never putting myself through that again, and the rough treatment he got didn't help either." CreationDate="2018-09-04T19:35:02.453" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16287" PostId="5516" Score="0" Text="Indeed, like it were fading it completely instead" CreationDate="2018-09-04T15:58:06.100" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16290" PostId="5517" Score="1" Text="OP elaborated a bit in the water cooler" CreationDate="2018-09-04T17:08:16.570" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16291" PostId="5517" Score="3" Text="@SaggingRufus - Ah, I see. I can't say that I agree with the reasons. But we each choose our own path. I still wish all those who leave good luck." CreationDate="2018-09-04T18:14:47.283" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16294" PostId="5517" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere there is a bit more going on than that." CreationDate="2018-09-04T19:23:05.597" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16295" PostId="5517" Score="0" Text="@RichardU - okay. I guess I'm not privy to all of that, so I can't comment specifically on the parts I haven't read. Good luck to Masked Man anyway. And good luck to you if you choose to take the same path." CreationDate="2018-09-04T19:25:21.733" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16305" PostId="5517" Score="22" Text="I assume it's the pandering to newcomers and the inventing of victims rather than continuing the drive for exceptional quality and the rewarding of dedicated experts. An SO (site) specific thing for the most part." CreationDate="2018-09-05T11:12:41.947" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="16306" PostId="5517" Score="9" Text="@LightnessRacesinOrbit - got it. So too much focus on newbies and not enough love for the old timers? Some seem to say &quot;welcoming&quot; while others say &quot;pandering&quot;. I don't frequent SO so I don't see it. Oh well." CreationDate="2018-09-05T11:19:06.757" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16307" PostId="5517" Score="4" Text="@JoeStrazzere Like anything it's somewhat more complex than that in reality, but I'd say that those are the cliffnotes yeah" CreationDate="2018-09-05T11:25:43.190" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="16332" PostId="5517" Score="3" Text="@LightnessRacesinOrbit That's a pretty good reader's digest version of what is going on.  Pandering doesn't seem a strong enough word though." CreationDate="2018-09-10T13:14:41.760" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16334" PostId="5517" Score="18" Text="Some say &quot;welcoming&quot;, others say &quot;The gradual process of tearing down the foundation of what made this place a success to the dismay of and against the outcry all the people who have put hours of work into it all in the name of appealing to a broader consumer-base.&quot; But yeah no that short dismissive reduction is fine for some." CreationDate="2018-09-10T13:21:22.393" UserId="44146" />
  <row Id="16442" PostId="5517" Score="9" Text="$0.02: If we can't be exceptional &amp; successful without being gate-keeping jerks, then something is wrong and that success will eventually fade as exposure of this site grows. Facebook &amp; Twitter are good case-studies in that thought-process." CreationDate="2018-09-15T16:24:09.213" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16446" PostId="5517" Score="13" Text="I guess I don't understand what's wrong with &quot;welcoming&quot;." CreationDate="2018-09-15T17:42:06.273" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16765" PostId="5517" Score="2" Text="It's not the what, it's the how." CreationDate="2018-10-10T08:59:28.610" UserId="91829" />
  <row Id="16299" PostId="5518" Score="8" Text="I'm sorry you feel constrained in raising issues.  My experience has been that disagreement is received fine if it's constructive but not if it's combative.  Constructive is a lot more work, especially when we're angry about something, but I really don't think you'll be shouted down like that if you approach it in the spirit of collaborative problem-solving." CreationDate="2018-09-04T22:36:01.617" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16301" PostId="5518" Score="3" Text="What do you want to leave for? You're one of our most valuable members?" CreationDate="2018-09-04T23:05:37.280" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16304" PostId="5518" Score="5" Text="I hold you in high regard mate, anyone who doesn't is probably just jealous of all that gold jewelry you've amassed." CreationDate="2018-09-05T04:44:47.717" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16329" PostId="5518" Score="2" Text="and the fact that my comments on this were deleted proves my point" CreationDate="2018-09-10T12:57:37.943" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16330" PostId="5518" Score="0" Text="&quot;I will likely follow you shortly and for the same reasons.&quot; - I saw this fall coming from a long ways off, and wanted to fool myself into thinking SO was better than that." CreationDate="2018-09-10T13:07:20.507" UserId="44146" />
  <row Id="16331" PostId="5518" Score="3" Text="Those comments were flagged by a user.  I happen to agree that it doesn't seem right to assume why users reduced participation on the site in their absence - they might have a completely different reason.  If I was one of the absentees, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with someone saying that I left for someone else's reason..." CreationDate="2018-09-10T13:09:41.867" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16333" PostId="5518" Score="0" Text="@Snow I ascribed no reasons to anyone but myself, I merely pointed out that people don't leave for no reason.  HLGEM stated clearly why she left, as did MM, if you want to know why chris left, look at the water cooler archives." CreationDate="2018-09-10T13:16:43.910" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16335" PostId="5518" Score="9" Text="It was mainly [community closed questions](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5341/the-time-has-come-to-say-goodbye) that forced HLGEM out, with Masked Man, it was his disagreements with the way that SE was evolving and changing.  Those two reasons don't have any correlation, and Chris (I believe) has different reasons again.  This is the nature of communities, there's no single root cause, people have different priorities and points of opinion and they stay as long as they feel they want to.  People are free to come and go as they wish." CreationDate="2018-09-10T13:26:59.473" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16337" PostId="5518" Score="3" Text="@RichardU Wha wha what?" CreationDate="2018-09-10T14:14:03.000" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16443" PostId="5518" Score="0" Text="For some perspective: The unwelcoming nature drives others away from the site. If being welcoming brings those people back and new folks with them, then what is the real value of maintaining the state quo? If we're going to lose people either way, why not err on the side of being empathetic?" CreationDate="2018-09-15T16:26:43.247" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16343" PostId="5522" Score="0" Text="No worries, part of the issue is maybe with a community like this it's important to &quot;see and feel&quot; the real people contributing so much to the community. We just see usernames, upvotes, downvotes, discussions, arguments etc. No problem dude, I can't even tell if I've interacted with you, that's one of the &quot;dehumanised&quot; aspects of such a large Stack network now, I guess." CreationDate="2018-09-11T06:04:01.040" UserId="90305" />
  <row Id="16344" PostId="5522" Score="4" Text="I am not an active member of this SE, just a lurker, but I have to agree that the direction that SE as company is headed in at the moment is worrysome (to me), to say the least. I've enjoyed your contributions a lot, and I'm sad that I will not be able to read more of them for the time being, but I fully understand the reasons for your &quot;departure&quot;. Best of luck out there." CreationDate="2018-09-11T08:44:23.883" UserId="49672" />
  <row Id="16350" PostId="5522" Score="0" Text="Take care of yourself Richard.  Sad to see you go sir." CreationDate="2018-09-11T12:40:35.373" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="16359" PostId="5522" Score="9" Text="I'm sorry we're losing you (at least for a bit), but you have to do what's best for you.  If you're willing, I would find it helpful if you could clarify where you're talking about SE in general and when you're talking about The Workplace.  We can't necessarily do much about SE-wide stuff, but the community can try to address issues that are specific to this site.  Thanks and I hope we'll see you again." CreationDate="2018-09-12T02:02:40.907" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16361" PostId="5522" Score="0" Text="The instant downvotes do cast a pall on matters when people are yearning to help and discuss." CreationDate="2018-09-11T06:07:55.640" UserId="90305" />
  <row Id="16413" PostId="5522" Score="0" Text="Totally agree about the level of rudeness.  It seems like the most &quot;useful&quot; voted suggested improvements are to the tune of &quot;your question is stupid and you're stupid for asking it.&quot; Not sure if this is likely to change as long as the constant flow of positive reinforcement is still there.  I've even been guilty of it myself but I'm trying to do better." CreationDate="2018-09-13T22:37:19.813" UserId="73580" />
  <row Id="16478" PostId="5522" Score="0" Text="Richard, under a different account, you helped me so much. I truly wish you the best -- in a place of so many random names, yours is one of 2 I will always remember. You came across as a class act, and many people will be saddened by the loss of your presence. Stay healthy -- your wellbeing comes before any site.  It's too bad that after all your contribution to this site, this is the end result. Farewell sir." CreationDate="2018-09-17T21:58:32.323" UserId="88503" />
  <row Id="16357" PostId="5531" Score="2" Text="Too many tags already. We don't need software-specific tags here." CreationDate="2018-09-12T01:26:59.537" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16358" PostId="5531" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere: **it's not software specific**. It occurs in many jobs: engineering, medical, legal. Nowhere above does it say software-specific." CreationDate="2018-09-12T01:33:16.347" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="16362" PostId="5531" Score="2" Text="We have about 500 tags. I don't see the point." CreationDate="2018-09-12T11:57:41.103" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16364" PostId="5531" Score="0" Text="I agree with @JoeStrazzere our tags are too many and messy as it is." CreationDate="2018-09-12T16:05:25.007" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16365" PostId="5531" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere, MisterPositive: irrelevant. This has nothing to do with the other tags. If you see the need for a tag cleanup thread, please start one. It's not a reason to block unrelated improvements in the meantime." CreationDate="2018-09-12T21:18:22.430" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="16416" PostId="5531" Score="0" Text="Not taking a stand for or against this, but if we really have 500 tags, shouldn't there be some that need burninating?" CreationDate="2018-09-14T11:19:16.110" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16436" PostId="5538" Score="0" Text="*&quot;So, most OPs won't add this tag to their question if they're unaware of the term&quot;* That's how some tags get rolling. So we kickstart the use of the tag by applying it. (I already did by compiling that list). Then people become aware of the term. *&quot;You have a larger task of educating people about that term. It's likely that you're the only person who would really engage and use this.&quot;* So fine. Then others learn. And argument-by-association/apathy of the community isn't a reason to not make an improvement. *&quot;Tags are there to be used for search and categorization.&quot;* Then it's justified." CreationDate="2018-09-14T23:13:03.567" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="16438" PostId="5538" Score="0" Text="*&quot;We prefer tags to be clear, unambiguous, and intuitive in their wording, so much so that the tag description won't need to be used to understand it.&quot;* So do I, &quot;prefer&quot; is an aspiration not a hard requirement. As time goes by, people will add specialized terms where some users need to read the tag description (that's not an argument for accepting every tag). Clearly 90+% of WP users haven't heard the term &quot;acceptance phase&quot;. Yet many users are complaining about not getting paid, or milestones not being hit, etc. for this reason." CreationDate="2018-09-14T23:23:42.600" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="16439" PostId="5538" Score="0" Text="*&quot;as noted, we already have a lot of tags&quot;* But that's got nothing to do with me, or this proposal. Take it up with the creators of sparsely-used, possibly unnecessary tags like [tag:interim-report]. Or  the German term [tag:zeugnis], which is apparently legit but almost everyone will need to read the tag definition. Or the undefined bullshit tag [tag:workplace-rhythm] which seems to be misused. And what about the use of the not-really-defined [tag:process]. And others. I support any other proposals to improve/refine/cull tags as needed. But don't drag any of that in here." CreationDate="2018-09-14T23:30:55.640" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="16440" PostId="5538" Score="0" Text="Oh and *&quot;Using the right tags makes it easier for others to find and answer your question&quot;* is not to be misconstrued as *&quot;Don't use the right tags even if they are the most appropriate tags, when their names may not be widely-known&quot;*." CreationDate="2018-09-14T23:56:07.197" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="16417" PostId="5539" Score="4" Text="We do answer some legal like questions.  Questions that are common in HR for instance that can be answered by someone with HR experience.  I am hoping some of our elders weigh in here." CreationDate="2018-09-14T12:12:02.840" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16419" PostId="5539" Score="2" Text="Would they require the legal tag though? I agree, those questions are probably not off topic, but do the legal tags cause more harm than good? There may be a good question that still has some legal aspect to it, but I think there would be other tags we could use instead of legal or law" CreationDate="2018-09-14T12:19:36.023" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16420" PostId="5539" Score="0" Text="For me, tags only matter for location specific questions -- so no the tag doesn't impact whether I would or would not answer a question." CreationDate="2018-09-14T12:23:46.933" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16423" PostId="5539" Score="7" Text="Not having the tag is not going to stop the questions.  It will just be harder to see the pattern of closed questions that are part of the butchers bill for this site." CreationDate="2018-09-14T13:25:15.753" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16424" PostId="5539" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive yeah but that it's you... seems that several other users don't think that way" CreationDate="2018-09-14T16:29:52.797" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16426" PostId="5539" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus our tags IMO are such a mess I simply ignore them." CreationDate="2018-09-14T16:50:37.197" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16433" PostId="5539" Score="0" Text="isn't the correct usage 'burnerate'?" CreationDate="2018-09-14T20:04:50.923" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16434" PostId="5539" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi see [this post](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/121577/332286), and also [this one](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/120640/332286). It's basically due to a SE meme :)" CreationDate="2018-09-14T20:37:16.110" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16461" PostId="5539" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings it may deter some questions. It's hard to argue a question is off topic when there are tags for it." CreationDate="2018-09-17T16:12:30.173" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16467" PostId="5539" Score="1" Text="But...  Legal aspects of navigating the workplace are not off topic." CreationDate="2018-09-17T16:51:07.090" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16468" PostId="5539" Score="0" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings typically there is also another tag that would also be relevant as well" CreationDate="2018-09-17T17:01:43.333" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16428" PostId="5540" Score="9" Text="Are you implying that the mere existence of these power users' answers suppresses different voices? I think people here can and do upvote based on the content, not the user name. And if they disagree with these &quot;lynchpins&quot;, they write their own answers. I'm not sure how one can reach the conclusion that having fewer people contributing somehow increases either the quality or the variety of the answers." CreationDate="2018-09-14T18:58:52.133" UserId="30160" />
  <row Id="16429" PostId="5540" Score="5" Text="No, I'm saying _you say goodbye (to old power users), I say hello (to new blood)_." CreationDate="2018-09-14T19:00:18.653" UserId="86569" />
  <row Id="16430" PostId="5540" Score="4" Text="I explicitly mentioned that having more variety increases the quality of the answers. Old lynchpins leaving, perhaps ironically, increases the variety of answers." CreationDate="2018-09-14T19:01:57.800" UserId="86569" />
  <row Id="16431" PostId="5540" Score="2" Text="Can you elaborate? Do people in the past refrain from adding answers because of the &quot;old lynchpins&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-09-14T19:03:02.567" UserId="30160" />
  <row Id="16432" PostId="5540" Score="7" Text="I see the same users over and over again on the same sites. They always get upvoted. They don't offer answers that are superior to other users. What they do is water down the answers by being so quickly upvoted." CreationDate="2018-09-14T19:04:30.927" UserId="86569" />
  <row Id="16435" PostId="5540" Score="7" Text="Variety and a larger user base are good, but I can't agree that users who've contributed a lot of value to the site are in the same category as slime mold.  Perhaps you could reword that part?" CreationDate="2018-09-14T23:11:30.047" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16437" PostId="5540" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio I thought it was a good, if irreverent, analogy. A user joining an internet community is like a fungus spore floating in through the window. You find the type of garbage that you like and you consume the heck out of it." CreationDate="2018-09-14T23:23:02.483" UserId="86569" />
  <row Id="16441" PostId="5540" Score="7" Text="&quot;So rather than saying goodbye to the old slime mold that has been growing behind the fridge for the past several years, why don't we say hello to the new spores floating in the window who will themselves infect this area in the near future. &quot; - if you are thinking of me, you got the &quot;old&quot; part right! But &quot;slime mold&quot;? Ouch! Oh well, I've been called worse you young spore! ;-) I'm looking forward to your contributions now." CreationDate="2018-09-15T00:04:10.590" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16444" PostId="5540" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Slime Mold can be beautiful if you are a biologist or nature fanatic!" CreationDate="2018-09-15T17:05:54.470" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16445" PostId="5540" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle - Well I'm not a biologist. I do like nature, but I'm not sure the term &quot;fanatic&quot; would apply. Apparently I'm just old slime mold. Meh." CreationDate="2018-09-15T17:40:56.200" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16499" PostId="5540" Score="1" Text="I also disagree that the existence of power users suppresses the contribution of newer users. New users can answer whenever they want, and are not limited whatsoever by the existence of higher rep users... Yes, perhaps power users tend to gain some &quot;fans&quot;, and it's a bit more likely they will get Upvotes (but if they do it's because of the *quality* of their answers), but power users also gain some &quot;dislikers&quot;, and tend to receive more frequent and intense arguments from many users, specially those dislikers... I also suggest to edit the spore analogy into a more polite example" CreationDate="2018-09-18T23:42:36.783" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16529" PostId="5540" Score="3" Text="I appreciate your positive attitude, but I'd also be mindful of assuming more power users means less variety. I've found on IPS that I can only write good answers (sometimes) because of the things I've learned from &quot;power&quot; users. People don't like their answers because they're highly upvoted users; it's the other way around. They're good answers. Being able to look at a few answers from a competent, well spoken user can really help smaller users like us present our varied opinions more effectively, which massively helps the site. I'm sad to see Richard go; I still have a lot to learn from him." CreationDate="2018-09-19T13:46:26.753" UserId="71210" />
  <row Id="21307" PostId="5540" Score="0" Text="`Are you implying that the mere existence of these power users' answers suppresses different voices` no need to imply blatant fact. it just is." CreationDate="2020-02-25T14:43:43.833" UserId="112956" />
  <row Id="16449" PostId="5541" Score="0" Text="If the OP is not financially able to quit their job and they specifically mention that in their question, then &quot;quit your job&quot; wouldn't be acceptable. Otherwise, it's perfectly reasonable in many cases." CreationDate="2018-09-17T12:08:09.560" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16456" PostId="5541" Score="1" Text="@Joe-Strazzere I agree, but then that answer is way less useful to future visitors, and are we really okay with asking every OP if they can quit?" CreationDate="2018-09-17T14:03:16.723" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16457" PostId="5541" Score="0" Text="We are (or should be) in the business of helping people. If the best advice for a specific situation is &quot;you should be looking for your next job&quot;, that's how I'll answer ever time. The only exception is when folks specifically indicate that they will not or cannot quit. If we write our answer based on the fact that &quot;some people simply cannot use the recommended option&quot; then we might as well not answer at all." CreationDate="2018-09-17T15:03:24.367" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16458" PostId="5541" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere we are in the business of helping people *by proving good, generally applicable Questions &amp; Answers*. Sometimes that applies very specifically to OP’s situation, but not always. I think if it were as simple as quitting then they wouldn’t ask how to solve the problem." CreationDate="2018-09-17T15:11:10.693" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16459" PostId="5541" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere to flip that logic back around, if “just quit” is an option for every workplace problem then we might as well not post it at all, right." CreationDate="2018-09-17T15:16:42.417" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16460" PostId="5541" Score="0" Text="Quit is not an appropriate option for every workplace problem. That's why I only suggest it when it applies." CreationDate="2018-09-17T16:11:16.053" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16462" PostId="5541" Score="0" Text="Then we are [mostly] in agreement, as I say, &quot;an answerer bears the burden of explaining why such a drastic option should be taken&quot;. For the record, I do **not** think &quot;just quit&quot; is **never** acceptable!" CreationDate="2018-09-17T16:14:31.047" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16465" PostId="5541" Score="0" Text="If you are saying that &quot;just quit&quot; is often an acceptable answer and that downvoting answers where you feel it isn't acceptable is the appropriate response, then we are in complete agreement." CreationDate="2018-09-17T16:43:14.353" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16466" PostId="5541" Score="0" Text="We are not in complete agreement, which is why I explicitly wrote &quot;[mostly]&quot;. I think  &quot;just quit&quot; is **rarely** the appropriate response, and if low effort is given to the suggestion, then that's a downvote. It's a subtle distinction, but important." CreationDate="2018-09-17T16:49:04.530" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16447" PostId="5543" Score="1" Text="This is a bit the bane of more subjective SE sites. Questions here can stray into disagreeable topics and will be downvoted due to that." CreationDate="2018-09-17T10:55:13.133" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="16451" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="@Magisch then there should be put more effort in educating people that voting is for expressing the quality of questions and answers and not about (dis)liking the idea/topic :-|" CreationDate="2018-09-17T12:15:38.523" UserId="61174" />
  <row Id="16452" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="As a contributor, you're totally allowed to vote for any reason you want unless you're serially voting for one user. &quot;I don't like the premise of this, downvote&quot; is an entirely legitimate voting strategy." CreationDate="2018-09-17T12:17:21.257" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="16472" PostId="5543" Score="0" Text="On this same topic, after reading comments , answers  often are seemingly upvoted because they feel “righteous” instead of being in the readers best interest. Things like telling your boss off or burning bridges seems very popular while ignoring the effect on a real persons livelihood and family, etc" CreationDate="2018-09-17T18:01:07.300" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16476" PostId="5546" Score="1" Text="True, the sample comment is ironically flag-worthy... however, I feel this could apply to all SE sites, don't you think? (*goes to check out other tours *)" CreationDate="2018-09-17T20:35:13.527" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16477" PostId="5546" Score="1" Text="The tour has some pretty harsh restrictions for questions that can be used, too.  See https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/163947/162102.  Please feel free to propose better questions that fit the criteria!  And if the only problem with a question is that some comment cleanup is needed, we can address that." CreationDate="2018-09-17T21:46:15.497" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16479" PostId="5546" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio given how hard it is to control comments (as opposed to questions and answers) I would say a proper solution would be to just suppress showing comments. As they say in the very [tour] we discuss, &quot;Ask questions, get answers, no distractions&quot;" CreationDate="2018-09-18T06:25:41.707" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="16480" PostId="5546" Score="1" Text="...as sort of follow-up, I posted feature request at MSE: [Hide comments (if there are any) in the example posts selected for the Tour page](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/315594/165773)" CreationDate="2018-09-18T08:09:59.737" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="16481" PostId="5546" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Oh, I wasn't paying attention enough to notice that all of the examples were from the same question. I can definitely see how that would make it harder to find one. And really, &quot;useful&quot; comments should be removed once they have been addressed, so that makes it even more challenging to find a good, short question with good, short answers and helpful comments." CreationDate="2018-09-18T12:39:04.097" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16483" PostId="5547" Score="2" Text="Here's a Meta post giving a run-down of how user tags work: [How do comment @replies work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/43019/how-do-comment-replies-work)" CreationDate="2018-09-18T12:47:21.380" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16482" PostId="5548" Score="0" Text="I think the one exception is that if you and the OP are the only people who have commented on a post, you will be notified regardless of whether you have been tagged. It's been a while since I've had this happen, so I don't know if those mechanics are exactly right. It might happen if you and someone other than the OP are the only commenters as well, but not sure. I know that the user will be notified if it doesn't let you @ someone who has already commented." CreationDate="2018-09-18T12:43:27.317" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16484" PostId="5548" Score="0" Text="OP was talking specifically about using the @ to tag, but yes like you say if I'm not mistaken (and this comment may prove it) I can skip the @you at all here and will still notify you, as it's a direct reply to the last comment (yours)..." CreationDate="2018-09-18T15:46:48.177" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16485" PostId="5548" Score="1" Text="Yup, you are correct! :) I specifically mentioned it because if I try to @ you, it won't let me because you are notified by default. I think the opposite may be true as well. Also, as I learned from the [Meta post about it](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/43019/how-do-comment-replies-work), you can @ editors, even though their name doesn't auto-fill!" CreationDate="2018-09-18T15:52:32.367" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16486" PostId="5548" Score="0" Text="yup, I also got notified :D" CreationDate="2018-09-18T15:55:27.533" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16487" PostId="5555" Score="0" Text="Yes, mods are pretty trigger-happy when it comes to deleting comments (since people are also prone to having discussions in the comments here) and pointing out flaws in answers *is* frowned upon (to my dismay). Although I don't see any misunderstanding with an answer saying essentially &quot;don't try to force her to conform to your preferences&quot;, except that it's a non-answer to some extent." CreationDate="2018-09-18T20:49:31.540" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="16488" PostId="5555" Score="1" Text="Related: [Experiment concluded: a comment by any other name](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5320/experiment-concluded-a-comment-by-any-other-name/5325#5325)" CreationDate="2018-09-18T20:49:52.540" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="16552" PostId="5555" Score="1" Text="if we discard the pleasantries in life we lose a large part of the social 'oil' that stops us from getting too nasty to one another." CreationDate="2018-09-20T13:32:54.920" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16489" PostId="5556" Score="0" Text="*&quot;One can post comments in a way that seek to improve the question, or give suggestions in a polite and non-disruptive way.&quot;* - sure, but that's only reasonable if the flaw being discussed is a fixable one. In a case like this where the answer's entire line of reasoning of fundamentally flawed, no improvement is possible. *&quot;If an answer has a core flaw it's better if you post your own that corrects such flaw, downvote if worthy, and carry on&quot;* - but an answer that simply *lacks* the flaw doesn't highlight the flaw's existence to future readers, which is my objective when commenting about it." CreationDate="2018-09-18T21:03:55.793" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16490" PostId="5556" Score="0" Text="(Also, just because I can see that an existing answer is irreparably wrong doesn't mean that I know what the *right* answer is; as such, I may not be *capable* of posting a decent answer of my own, even *if* I'm willing to invest the time. This point probably comes up more often on Stack Overflow than here, but seems relevant here too.)" CreationDate="2018-09-18T21:05:48.627" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16491" PostId="5556" Score="0" Text="@MarkAmery enhanced my answer and included some links... checking your comments now" CreationDate="2018-09-18T21:10:40.397" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16492" PostId="5556" Score="1" Text="@MarkAmery ok, regarding your first comment. If the post is really flawed it deserves to be DVted, or even flagged as low-quality. If it's that flawed I doubt it can be easily fixed, and if it were a simple suggestion for improvement will suffice.... regarding the second part of your first comment, again, if an answer is flawed there is no need in saying *&quot;Hey this is flawed&quot;*; post an answer that does not have the flaws instead and it will surely pass the other one in votes. DV the flawed post, as it is not useful, etc..." CreationDate="2018-09-18T21:13:46.980" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16493" PostId="5556" Score="1" Text="Another way is that, if you see such flaw, *ask* the OP if they have considered it... something like: *&quot;Interesting answer. Are you aware that ... may invalidate what you say on ...?&quot;* - This I think is acceptable, as it is polite (we are professionals right?), respectful (as it's not telling the OP &quot;you are wrong&quot;), exposes the flaw and does it in a constructive way, giving the OP chance to amend it... this also gives you some safety margin in case it was *you* the one that misunderstood the post... and not just assume you must be correct (which is again polite)." CreationDate="2018-09-18T21:17:15.073" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16494" PostId="5556" Score="2" Text="@MarkAmery and regarding your second comment I must repeat myself. If it's flawed and there is few things to do the it is downvote worthy, or low-quality. Yes, you may not know what the non-flawed answer is, but seems to me that in this case you had a pretty solid argument. True, in SO there may be cases where one does not know the correct answer but still know that the ones given are not good... but I am sure that in such scenario what should be done is DV and ask for clarification to the poster, or post an answer if you know it." CreationDate="2018-09-18T21:19:20.443" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16496" PostId="5557" Score="0" Text="The former type of comment will almost certainly get deleted too, based on my experience." CreationDate="2018-09-18T21:41:03.093" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="16497" PostId="5557" Score="0" Text="@NotThatGuy Perhaps. Some other SE sites actually encourage comments to (briefly) explain downvotes, which is the style I was trying to suggest there. But yes, they may not stick around either." CreationDate="2018-09-18T21:48:23.200" UserId="10387" />
  <row Id="16500" PostId="5558" Score="3" Text="Yep, all looks good here.  I'm not so sure about the retag-request tag as people normally just edit the question to appropriately tag it..." CreationDate="2018-09-19T06:59:52.847" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16501" PostId="5558" Score="3" Text="Thanks for putting in the effort here, looks good to me as well." CreationDate="2018-09-19T07:37:59.630" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16502" PostId="5558" Score="4" Text="Lost me just after ... 'Today...'... but seems like you went to a bit of effort so... great stuff!!" CreationDate="2018-09-19T08:27:13.860" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16508" PostId="5558" Score="2" Text="We appreciate the work Dark, thanks for doing this!" CreationDate="2018-09-19T09:50:32.853" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16532" PostId="5558" Score="0" Text="@Snow true, but in more complex cases, like where consensus is needed or where the number of posts in need of retagging is big, the tag will be useful." CreationDate="2018-09-19T15:46:48.660" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16504" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="I'll repeat, since I don't know what comments you've previously seen: I have at no point voiced a view on the advice that the OP not demand that their colleague initiate conversations with nohello. My objection is to your advice that the *OP* should initiate conversations with nohello with their colleague, regardless of the colleagues preferences, since that doesn't achieve anything (other than deliberately violating the colleagues preferences for the sake of balance). I've never commented on the &quot;don't make demands about how your colleague communicates&quot; part of the answer." CreationDate="2018-09-19T09:14:58.877" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16505" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="(I figure that you still don't understand that this is my point, given that in this answer you list my &quot;objection&quot; as being to the surrounding commentary in the answer, when in fact the only objection I've made is to the actual direct advice about how the OP should behave, which to me seemed like it was the core of the answer.)" CreationDate="2018-09-19T09:18:24.460" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16506" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="As to the rest: *&quot;You're familiar enough with the platform to know how it's supposed to work&quot;* - I'm familiar with Stack Overflow, where using comments for criticism is entirely accepted and where a comment like the one this question is about would never be deleted. I'm *not* familiar with the rest of the network - hence the question." CreationDate="2018-09-19T09:20:34.337" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16507" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="*&quot;Your tone, from the start, was exceptionally combative and condescending. You accused me of completely failing to understand the purpose of nohello&quot;* - While I'll certainly hear out any views you have on how I could've made the tone less combative and condescending, that you completely misunderstood the purpose of nohello seems to me like a pretty clearly true observation. You have multiple comments characterising its purpose that directly contradict the purpose stated in the OP and on the nohello website. Is your view that that it's unacceptably rude to point that out at all?" CreationDate="2018-09-19T09:29:53.177" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16512" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="You persist in maintaining the perspective that you're objectively right, and I'm objectively wrong, while missing or ignoring the vast bulk of my answer. My advice is that the OP shouldn't expect the coworker to initiate coversations with nohello, and that it is unreasonable to demand that each coworker memorize the individual preferences of everyone in the company, and tailor every communication style to that coworker. If the OP doesn't want to initiate nohello style communications, that's fine, but that's hardly the key takeaway of my answer. Yet that's what you're fixated on." CreationDate="2018-09-19T12:25:38.167" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="16513" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="As for my understanding of the purpose of nohello, you are mistaking my understanding of nohello vs my agreement with some of its fundamental precepts. I do not agree that eliminating greetings prior to asking a question will save minutes, as they claim. As I mentioned in a comment: just reply to &quot;[contentless greeting]&quot; with &quot;hi, what can I help you with?&quot;, and then go back to work until they provide a question. Just because there's a nohello.com domain does not mean that they are automatically a source of unassailable truth." CreationDate="2018-09-19T12:25:46.290" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="16514" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="If you truly are interested in hearing out my views on how you could've improved your tone: instead of just defaulting to the assumption that you understand 100% of what was written, including the intent of the author, and that anything that doesn't sound right automatically means that the author just isn't as smart as you, and doesn't understand what they're talking about, try asking for clarification before launching into an explanation about how they don't know what they're talking about. Avoid using phrases like &quot;you completely misunderstood&quot;, or &quot;you're just making things up&quot;" CreationDate="2018-09-19T12:25:54.217" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="16515" PostId="5559" Score="1" Text="As a side note, I believe the question under discussion is an AB problem.  They want to minimize unnecessary distractions via IM.  They believe that getting everyone to use a nohello policy when communicating with them is the right solution.  I disagree, and believe that a more reasonable approach is to ask coworkers to use nohello, but for anyone who still does not, work on strategies to get them to provide the actual question as quickly as possible without hurting the relationship between them (i.e. respond with &quot;hi, what can I help you with?&quot; to get to the actual request sooner)." CreationDate="2018-09-19T12:29:01.823" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="16517" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="Some brief replies. *&quot;but that's hardly the key takeaway of my answer&quot;* - fair enough; that wasn't my take. Maybe I fixated too much on the specifically actionable advice; I took &quot;use nohello when initiating&quot; to be the main point. *&quot;you are mistaking my understanding of nohello vs my agreement with some of its fundamental precepts&quot;* - again, you described in the comments, at least twice, at length, what you thought nohello was &quot;about&quot; in a way that explicitly contradicted the OP's stated objectives, and my claim that you didn't understand was based on explicitly citing those descriptions." CreationDate="2018-09-19T12:46:24.423" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16518" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="*&quot;automatically means that the author just isn't as smart as you&quot;* - I didn't claim this, and I don't know why you assume I think it. I tend not to make sweeping judgements about people's intelligence from a single Stack Exchange post." CreationDate="2018-09-19T12:47:35.517" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16519" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="*&quot;I believe the question under discussion is an AB problem... work on strategies to get them to provide the actual question as quickly as possible ... (i.e. respond with &quot;hi, what can I help you with?&quot; to get to the actual request sooner)&quot;* - I agree, and I think this is the most important point left unexplored in the existing answers. The OP and the author of nohello both seem to feel that after an exchange of greetings  they are socially obligated to wait attentively for whatever substantive message is incoming. Reframing the entire problem as one of *them* being over-conscientious... [1/2]" CreationDate="2018-09-19T12:50:14.507" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16520" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="[2/2], and encouraging them to just *stop* feeling that obligation (and in particular to stop blaming people who say &quot;hi&quot; to them for making an imposition on them that those interlocutors likely don't intend to exist at all) solves the problem from a different angle. A response that should at least be seriously explored to &quot;When you say hi, I have to [do thing that pointlessly harms myself], so please don't say hi&quot; is &quot;Uh, no, you *don't* have to; this problem can be solved by *you* not doing that.&quot;. Kittoes0124's answer is the only one that seems to get close to touching point this so far." CreationDate="2018-09-19T12:53:05.517" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16526" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="`again, you described in the comments, at least twice, at length, what you thought nohello was &quot;about&quot; in a way that explicitly contradicted the OP's stated objectives` Again, **no I did not**.  Again, you are mistaking my comments about the *practicality* of nohello for thinking &quot;that's what it is about&quot;." CreationDate="2018-09-19T13:24:13.233" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="16528" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="You still have a comment up, which I've quoted in this question and in my very first comment addressing you, which literally says *&quot;The issue is the 10 seconds of additional time required for the brief exchange of greeting.&quot;*. If there's any possible interpretation of that other than &quot;[The problem which nohello is intended to address] is the 10 seconds of additional time required for the brief exchange of greeting&quot;, then I'm afraid I am still failing to see it after all these comments, and you still haven't suggested what it is." CreationDate="2018-09-19T13:43:39.320" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16530" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="Similarly, if your reply saying *&quot;The additional time being saved here is avoiding replying to just &quot;hi&quot;&quot;* has an interpretation other than &quot;The additional time [that the OP wants to save by having her colleague use nohello] is avoiding replying to just &quot;hi&quot;&quot;, then I can't see that either. These are pretty explicit comments, still visible to all, in which you fairly unambiguously say the thing that you're now repeatedly denying saying. If they have other interpretations that have gone over my head, I still don't see them." CreationDate="2018-09-19T13:48:17.403" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16539" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="I really have no further interest in pursuing this discussion with you, as it seems your sole focus now is establishing that you are RIGHT, and I am WRONG (see feedback on rudeness).  So my last response to you: that comment was part of a discussion that has largely been purged, so you're missing context.  What nohello is intended to address is the delay incurred between a greeting, followed by a reply, followed by the question, vs front loading the question. They assume &quot;minutes&quot;, because the assumption is that the person is literally waiting to answer the question. I don't agree." CreationDate="2018-09-19T18:22:12.183" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="16540" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry you're having so much trouble understanding fairly standard English, by attributing context that doesn't exist (i.e. you adding &quot;the problem which nohello is intended to address is...&quot; before statements that do not, in fact, say they are describing what nohello is intended to address).  Going back to an earlier comment of mine you disputed: perhaps if you didn't misinterpret things, then repeatedly and aggressively claim that they said things &quot;unambiguously&quot; when the fault is your comprehension, you wouldn't come across as assuming you're smarter than everyone else." CreationDate="2018-09-19T18:25:44.993" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="16542" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="Also, &quot;you're missing context/misinterpreting the comment&quot; is a far cry from &quot;denying saying&quot; it.  The words you are using do not mean what you think they do, which may be related to why you're struggling so much with the words I used." CreationDate="2018-09-19T18:31:11.663" UserId="640" />
  <row Id="16544" PostId="5559" Score="0" Text="I agree that there is little chance of this conversation becoming constructive. I don't think I've managed to form a single comment so far that you found polite enough to be willing to engage primarily with the substance of instead of the tone, I don't hold much hope of managing, and without me solving *that* puzzle this argument isn't going anywhere. There are more worthwhile uses of time for both of us than attempting to find any sort of mutual understanding here, so let's just hope to never cross paths again." CreationDate="2018-09-19T19:12:56.863" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16516" PostId="5560" Score="0" Text="One quibble regarding *&quot;At that point you should have let it go.&quot;*: I'd like to note that the comment this Meta question is about came prior to Beofett replying to me in the comments at all and was not part of an extended argument. I think this answer could easily be read as implying otherwise. (Yes, I did get drawn into a comment argument *afterwards* that could be fairly characterised as &quot;bickering&quot;, but that's not what the Meta question is about.)" CreationDate="2018-09-19T12:33:55.130" UserId="25356" />
  <row Id="16521" PostId="5560" Score="2" Text="@MarkAmery You're referring to comments in the plural, hence my reply. I can't speak to the moderator's thought process on the first deletion of what was actually your second comment on the answer, but I can hazard a guess that the wording (&quot;failure to grasp the purpose&quot; can be read as a slight) combined with using a second comment to seemingly begin an argument is the reason, presumably in an attempt to prevent the discussion that followed." CreationDate="2018-09-19T13:00:40.517" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16533" PostId="5561" Score="1" Text="What's the goal of your meta post? Is it about the OP of the question being abused in the comments? Is it about how to deal with submitting an answer that divides the community? And if the latter is it the score that concerns you? The comments addressed to you?" CreationDate="2018-09-19T16:12:19.443" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16534" PostId="5561" Score="0" Text="On the topic of contentious answers: keep in mind that you're dealing with a HNQ question here. The cost of going against the grain by posting an unpopular answer is *severe*. While the HNQ users are less likely to sacrifice rep to downvote you, there are a lot of them. Any question that approaches hot-button topics from the &quot;real world&quot; in the vein of &quot;*It's illegal but fighting it will hurt you more*&quot; or &quot;*You shouldn't be treated like this but that's the reality you're dealing with.*&quot; get *a lot* of flak from people who don't have to live with the consequences of sticking to principle." CreationDate="2018-09-19T16:15:38.167" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16535" PostId="5561" Score="1" Text="I completely disagree with your answer/advice and downvoted it accordingly. Answers don't deserve abuse, but they sometimes are subject to challenges of assumptions (such as your conjecture that the facts as presented indicate a problem with the workplace culture). I don't know if I wrote a comment that was flagged and deleted (*mods: how would I know?*). But if I did, I would apologize for that." CreationDate="2018-09-19T17:59:11.767" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16536" PostId="5561" Score="0" Text="Sorry for the delay is response, life etc. Goal of the meta: figure A) should i delete my post, B) get peoples input cause i think thats valuable. C) find out if its wrong/bad to post an answer that might get backlash like mine did. Just learning like everyone else, sometimes its non-intuitive to workout workplace stuff" CreationDate="2018-09-19T18:05:19.317" UserId="54734" />
  <row Id="16537" PostId="5561" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal sorry whats HNQ? And no the score is not a point of concern, nor the comments at me. The original thing was the amount of &quot;your acting like a child&quot; directed at the OP, my post attracted an extra dose of that which i thought was bad for the community because the OP would feel abashed" CreationDate="2018-09-19T18:09:01.953" UserId="54734" />
  <row Id="16538" PostId="5561" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere ok, no worries - plenty of people have downvoted and i'm ok with that, i dont recognise your name, so assume you didn't write anything on the answer/comments." CreationDate="2018-09-19T18:13:21.037" UserId="54734" />
  <row Id="16541" PostId="5561" Score="1" Text="@TolMera - I  agreed with some of those pointing out the irony in the actions of the OP while complaining that they were being treated like a child. I couldn't find a good way to express it without coming across as snarky, so I decided not to write an answer. Still, I'm not sure which comments you found abusive. As was mentioned, any abusive comments should be flagged for moderator action." CreationDate="2018-09-19T18:26:20.647" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16543" PostId="5561" Score="0" Text="Just realise the two comments on mine were from the same guy, check the picture, two last comments. Guessing they have been removed from the post now. I agree as well that the OP has an ironic &quot;when we are late&quot; along side the 'treating us like children. Together they sound really bad. I get that :) - from my point of view, if there is a individual problem with lateness it would have been communicated by the OP differently, it sounds to me like they are seeing and experiencing the tonal issue from the trainers. Don't know if that comes across clearly?!" CreationDate="2018-09-19T18:33:08.950" UserId="54734" />
  <row Id="16546" PostId="5561" Score="0" Text="@TolMera - Ah, I see. the first comment has a flag - I assume for being abusive. I think that's appropriate. That comment seems to go over the line. But I see nothing abusive about the second (non-flagged) comment. It's blunt but not abusive, IMHO." CreationDate="2018-09-19T20:57:02.760" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16550" PostId="5561" Score="0" Text="@TolMera HNQ is &quot;Hot Network Question&quot; which is shown on the right sidebar of *all SE site*. Those visitors from HNQ usually can only upvote from their association rep bonus though, not downvote." CreationDate="2018-09-20T04:53:12.510" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="16522" PostId="5562" Score="0" Text="Not to sound like I'm being dense, but could you tell me how you perceived my answer?  I've re-read my answer and don't have anything standing out to me as ahh... difficult? wrong?  It would help me to understand what your interpenetration is, so I can incorporate that point of view into my thinking" CreationDate="2018-09-19T13:08:15.153" UserId="54734" />
  <row Id="16523" PostId="5562" Score="1" Text="One of the reasons I am here it so learn to be a better writer/communicator.  I think sometimes in my early stages here, I was perceived as harsh or too direct.  I *personally* don't think your answer ( quit and find another job ) is particularly useful, but its not what I would call **bad or harsh**." CreationDate="2018-09-19T13:12:09.607" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16549" PostId="5562" Score="0" Text="@TolMera to be fair, your answer was possibly voted on [the original revision](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/119460/1) before you [provided the alternative](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/119460/2), and the community judged the answer, using their votes, that your answer wasn't particularly useful (the downvote tooltip says that). Nothing wrong with the system. You're free to write a contentious answer, but you should also be prepared for the downvotes if the community thinks that's not a useful answer.." CreationDate="2018-09-20T04:47:49.780" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="16524" PostId="5563" Score="1" Text="Right, fair enough I've over exaggerate the 'unbelievable'.  To my answer there were 2 abusive comments (one which I will go back and flag shortly).  I feel like the currently highest voted answer is condescending to the OP, and the number of up-votes disturbs me (I don't feel like I would have upvoted based on their tact, not that their answer is wrong.) it was reading through all the stuff that I felt it was an overwhelmingly negative situation, and applied that feeling to my answer, obviously incorrectly - perhaps a loss of perspective." CreationDate="2018-09-19T13:17:29.660" UserId="54734" />
  <row Id="16525" PostId="5563" Score="0" Text="When you say some people are too direct, I feel like your looking at me and Kilisi." CreationDate="2018-09-19T13:20:35.143" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16527" PostId="5563" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive nope, your comments fine, so is kilisi's comment (which I had not seen until after reading your comment).  Neither of them are personal attacks on anyone, and I even agree with kilisi that it's potentially bad advise, without more context from the OP (age, experience etc.  Graduated in my country is normally something after 2~3 years of university, getting a batchelors or degree or similar, if they mean graduated highschool (they are 18ish~) then yea it's a different story.  But anyway, no no issue with your comments or kilisi  they are fine and constructive" CreationDate="2018-09-19T13:34:21.080" UserId="54734" />
  <row Id="16531" PostId="5563" Score="0" Text="ummm... I didn't even comment on that question at all..... I'm innocent for once I think :-)" CreationDate="2018-09-19T14:53:52.903" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16651" PostId="5563" Score="0" Text="Sorry... why should we flag an &quot;appropriate&quot; question?" CreationDate="2018-09-29T05:13:46.233" UserId="64317" />
  <row Id="16548" PostId="5564" Score="2" Text="It's only -8 and -4, that's hardly worth worrying about, I routinely get more than that in downvotes" CreationDate="2018-09-19T23:43:13.497" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16551" PostId="5564" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi *down votes comment*" CreationDate="2018-09-20T11:04:24.477" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16555" PostId="5564" Score="0" Text="How do you get from &quot;check references prior to offer&quot; to &quot;extreme micromanager?&quot; That seems like a pretty big logical leap. Perhaps you'd get more insightful answers if you explain why you believe this to be the case." CreationDate="2018-09-20T20:03:53.710" UserId="73580" />
  <row Id="16545" PostId="5565" Score="3" Text="The reference one was probably downvoted because it reads like a rant looking for confirmation rather than an honest question looking for an unbiased answer." CreationDate="2018-09-19T20:39:30.180" UserId="2574" />
  <row Id="16547" PostId="5565" Score="0" Text="@Kevin that is also a valid point. Sometimes it's better to let things cool down before posting" CreationDate="2018-09-19T21:05:55.420" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16553" PostId="5566" Score="1" Text="Just to expand on this - `Moderators can't do anything about downvotes - that's the community at work.` - we _cannot_ do anything because we cannot see votes. The only people who can take a serious look into voting are Stack Exchange employees, as moderators we have a very _very_ limited insight into such things. I'm hesitant to even say we have any insight given how limited our visibility is" CreationDate="2018-09-20T14:33:28.063" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16554" PostId="5566" Score="0" Text="Yes, this.  I basically meant that we can't prevent people from downvoting a question or answers.  People are free to spend their votes how they wish, as long as it's not in a targetted way." CreationDate="2018-09-20T14:36:12.617" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16736" PostId="5569" Score="0" Text="I don't think having an answer is relevant for a question being eligible for closing due to &lt;category&gt; - especially if the category is *too broad* or *primarily opinion-based*." CreationDate="2018-10-05T06:38:52.287" UserId="57573" />
  <row Id="16741" PostId="5569" Score="0" Text="@StianYttervik when people vote as too broad, and there is an answer, it is then clearly not so broad after all, and perhaps just something the voter didn't grasp completely." CreationDate="2018-10-05T15:43:32.747" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16559" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="I think the edits improved the question, good shot" CreationDate="2018-09-21T20:25:35.917" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16560" PostId="5570" Score="1" Text="Ok, thank you. The edits look good :-)" CreationDate="2018-09-21T20:27:10.157" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="16561" PostId="5570" Score="3" Text="It's reopened now." CreationDate="2018-09-21T22:14:50.440" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16562" PostId="5570" Score="0" Text="Thanks! @MonicaCellio" CreationDate="2018-09-21T23:50:34.677" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="16563" PostId="5571" Score="3" Text="&quot;I have even seen questions that have both delete and reopen votes at the same time.&quot; - that's not unusual. Some of us think that too many questions are being closed too rapidly and vote to reopen." CreationDate="2018-09-24T11:21:42.280" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16565" PostId="5571" Score="2" Text="Both of these seem to be advise on a specific choice and should not be reopened as they are currently IMO.  Should we be answer questions that boil down to &quot;*What should I do*&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-09-24T12:43:54.880" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16566" PostId="5571" Score="2" Text="@MisterPositive No they should not be reopened, but my point is they should not be deleted too." CreationDate="2018-09-24T13:56:43.527" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="16567" PostId="5571" Score="6" Text="Why not?  If they are garbage questions that benefit no one, why not clean them up if you notice them?" CreationDate="2018-09-24T14:02:58.540" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16569" PostId="5571" Score="2" Text="*&quot;I have even seen questions that have both delete and reopen votes at the same time.&quot;* - Like the fired colleague one... 4 reopen and 2 delete... it should not be deleted IMO" CreationDate="2018-09-24T16:12:29.537" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16570" PostId="5571" Score="3" Text="This isn't the first time this topic has come up this year: [Let's try to work with users before chasing them off](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5085/lets-try-to-work-with-users-before-chasing-them-off)" CreationDate="2018-09-24T16:37:19.650" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16571" PostId="5571" Score="4" Text="The criteria for deletion (according to me) are (1) this seems unlikely to ever get reopened (with or without an edit) and (2) this isn't useful enough to make an exception. If you think there's still hope for the question getting reopened, fair enough, but if you think we should be making exceptions all over the place, I strongly disagree - keeping anything that's against our rules but is vaguely useful around is how you lose all quality standards." CreationDate="2018-09-24T17:37:34.680" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16572" PostId="5571" Score="3" Text="Related: [Can something be done to prevent delete votes when a question has reopen votes or is being discussed on meta?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/166329)" CreationDate="2018-09-24T17:41:22.383" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16573" PostId="5571" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Although it's worth noting that's about deleting within *hours* and the examples here are a *week* old. It's reasonable to assume that regulars, or even OP, who might try to fix it might not see it within the first few hours, but that seems much less likely if we're talking about a week." CreationDate="2018-09-24T18:08:39.510" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16576" PostId="5571" Score="0" Text="Good question, not something I'd noticed before" CreationDate="2018-09-25T10:29:38.660" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16574" PostId="5572" Score="1" Text="I already voted to re-open it. No idea why it was put on hold. Actually I have an idea, I just don't agree it made sense to put it on hold." CreationDate="2018-09-24T20:54:20.447" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16575" PostId="5572" Score="0" Text="I cast the last one, feel free to answer it now" CreationDate="2018-09-24T22:30:21.863" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16578" PostId="5574" Score="4" Text="Seems network-wide issue (again): [Reputation changes not visible in the achievement box (again)](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/315892)" CreationDate="2018-09-25T14:02:20.493" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="16579" PostId="5574" Score="0" Text="Just saw a +x on my navbar... seems like all the +X's that didn't appear are now showing up..." CreationDate="2018-09-25T17:19:49.750" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16581" PostId="5575" Score="1" Text="as of today, I am got/ am getting all of them" CreationDate="2018-09-26T12:56:12.467" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16582" PostId="5576" Score="0" Text="I think it should be re-opened. I am not even sure it needs much of an edit TBH." CreationDate="2018-09-26T14:02:17.050" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16583" PostId="5576" Score="2" Text="Just need to re-word the parts where it says &quot;should I&quot; I am not a great editor, but someone with more experience could do it for sure" CreationDate="2018-09-26T14:04:04.303" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16584" PostId="5576" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus it already has some good answers... will take a shot at the edit" CreationDate="2018-09-26T15:37:10.627" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16585" PostId="5576" Score="0" Text="Those are 4 questions. #1 has been asked before. #2 is largely useless, you might as well ask if fishermen make good laywers. The answer &quot;it's a separate skillset&quot; is the answer to #1. The &quot;if the lead..&quot; part of #3 is basically answered by #1 as well. #4 has promise but would have to be worded very well to avoid domain-specific answers." CreationDate="2018-09-26T15:54:01.713" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16586" PostId="5577" Score="0" Text="Edit looks good to me (currently 3 re-open votes)" CreationDate="2018-09-26T16:22:25.843" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16587" PostId="5577" Score="0" Text="Currently 4 votes" CreationDate="2018-09-26T22:23:31.283" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16588" PostId="5578" Score="8" Text="Do you really think insulting people who downvoted your answer is going to help at all?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T01:14:52.747" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16589" PostId="5578" Score="2" Text="@ElysianFields Sorry, how did I insult? The link I posted was written by someone else. I claim unfairness, that's all." CreationDate="2018-09-27T01:15:33.100" UserId="64317" />
  <row Id="16590" PostId="5578" Score="7" Text="Perhaps you should consider how describing everyone who downvoted you is a &quot;flock of geese&quot; can be considered an insult. Maybe it's just me, but being compared to a goose... doesn't exactly fill me with warm fuzzies." CreationDate="2018-09-27T01:23:58.217" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16591" PostId="5578" Score="1" Text="@ElysianFields while what you say is fair, perhaps we should all in-turn consider how bandwagon downvoting doesnt fill others with “warm and fuzzies”..." CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:09:26.903" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16593" PostId="5578" Score="5" Text="Why do you assume that the three are right and the 26 wrong, rather than the other way around?  (This question is based purely on your meta question; I haven't looked at the specific case yet.)" CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:13:47.700" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16594" PostId="5578" Score="11" Text="I just noticed that *you* have cast, on main, 211 upvotes and *3177* downvotes.  (On meta those numbers are 3 and 80 respectively.) . How do you reconcile a position that downvotes are &quot;unfair&quot; with your own activity?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:17:27.510" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16597" PostId="5578" Score="3" Text="@MonicaCellio that was completely unfair and it seems borderline vindictive. Can you prove that any of those votes were “bandwagon” votes?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:40:27.053" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16598" PostId="5578" Score="2" Text="My voting pattern has nothing to do with this question." CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:43:48.270" UserId="64317" />
  <row Id="16605" PostId="5578" Score="3" Text="I'll be honest: if I had enough rep to downvote, I'll downvote your answer because I disagree with your premise. That's all." CreationDate="2018-09-27T07:02:45.097" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="16608" PostId="5578" Score="2" Text="Is ganging up with downvotes actually a problem here at The Workplace? I haven't noticed a lot of that happening. I don't see a whole lot of answers with a lot negative votes." CreationDate="2018-09-27T12:12:29.297" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16611" PostId="5578" Score="1" Text="&quot;I was unlucky that my first response was a downvote, otherwise everything else would have been fine.&quot; - do you have any evidence that an initial +1 would have changed anything? Do you see that in your other answers to other questions?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T12:23:46.173" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16615" PostId="5578" Score="1" Text="it's only 26 downvotes, I've seen worse... none of them mine so I don't feel offended at the flock of geese thing" CreationDate="2018-09-27T12:53:03.220" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16617" PostId="5578" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere [this excellent answer got 29 downvotes](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/74620/team-being-on-standby-on-weekends/74625#74625), so it does happen, I don't think it's a huge issue though, I usually only get around 10 downvotes" CreationDate="2018-09-27T13:01:39.800" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16618" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Thanks. You're confirming this site does have an issue for people downvoting on a good answer simply because it started at negative. Your answer was perfect, your first vote must have been negative." CreationDate="2018-09-27T13:05:50.320" UserId="64317" />
  <row Id="16619" PostId="5578" Score="4" Text="it works both ways, we also have an issue with gang upvoting... que sera sera.... not worth bothering about. If there is a pattern where you specifically are being targeted that would be different and I'm sure the mods would step in pretty quickly." CreationDate="2018-09-27T13:08:22.973" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16625" PostId="5578" Score="6" Text="@DoritoStyle not vindictive.  The OP is arguing that downvotes are unfair, but since the OP also heavily downvotes I must be missing some additional consideration, hence my request for clarification.  Obviously the OP doesn't believe downvotes are bad, so I'm confused by the question.  Perhaps the objection is to *initial* downvotes and the OP only downvotes posts that have been upvoted?  I don't know; I'm trying to understand what the question or request here is." CreationDate="2018-09-27T15:35:42.333" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16627" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="The DVs here are for the Irony right?..." CreationDate="2018-09-27T18:03:58.557" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16632" PostId="5578" Score="2" Text="I just went to all the trouble of seeing what the fuss is about and I worked it out. It's the vindictive gamer question. You only got 31 downvotes, some of which may possibly perhaps have been unjustified, but it also got 3 upvotes which are totally unjustified so it evens outs... problem solved... totally different scenario to [this excellent answer](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/86261/talking-to-colleague-with-short-skirt-how-do-i-not-come-off-as-a-creep/86271#86271) which somehow got 36 downvotes (probably database error)" CreationDate="2018-09-27T22:49:11.677" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16637" PostId="5578" Score="2" Text="But it is a bad answer in my opinion.  Does not matter you think it is excellent.   You have a number of bad answers." CreationDate="2018-09-28T13:53:07.827" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="16638" PostId="5578" Score="0" Text="@paparazzo May I remind you that my other answers are irrelevant here." CreationDate="2018-09-28T14:03:58.907" UserId="64317" />
  <row Id="16592" PostId="5579" Score="2" Text="Come now, surely you don’t think bad answers are the only reason for bandwagon voting" CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:11:26.933" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16595" PostId="5579" Score="4" Text="Perhaps not always. But when an answer very well could get someone __fired__ by following it, without any mention of this, I guess I'm not overly worried about how much people choose to &quot;bandwagon&quot; vs simply voted based on the answer itself." CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:35:37.430" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16596" PostId="5579" Score="2" Text="ok. Although, as a mod, i think you should consider if you’ve oversimplified things in order to shame OP here." CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:38:51.870" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16599" PostId="5579" Score="5" Text="What? He wanted to know why his answer is down voted. I explained why. It's possible OP is trolling here, in which case I wasted time answering. But bandwagon as the OP describes very rarely does not happen on answers without major issues, often multiple." CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:45:42.597" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16600" PostId="5579" Score="1" Text="When I have to ask a mod to assume good intent, then yeah i think questions like this are a little less surprising." CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:47:15.583" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16601" PostId="5579" Score="6" Text="The fact that I bothered to even write an answer indicates I assumed good intent and that smallchess actually was interested in understanding why their answer was down voted. Unless you're saying that pointing out a strawman argument is somehow not becoming of a mod?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:49:52.430" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16602" PostId="5579" Score="1" Text="Accusing a user of possible trolling really isn’t becoming on a mod in my opinion. Neither is  not taking requests for thoughtfulness at face value." CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:51:24.923" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16603" PostId="5579" Score="2" Text="If you feel like there is a better answer for the question raised by the OP, feel free to add your own here." CreationDate="2018-09-27T03:52:42.423" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16604" PostId="5579" Score="2" Text="Having mods take us seriously would be a good start, but that seems unlikely right now" CreationDate="2018-09-27T04:27:31.127" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16606" PostId="5579" Score="8" Text="@DoritoStyle Three mods so far have spent a fair amount of time to answer and comment on this question in good faith and significant detail. How do you interpret that as &quot;us&quot; not taking &quot;you&quot; seriously? What more do you expect from us?" CreationDate="2018-09-27T07:37:54.527" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16621" PostId="5579" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal this was not good faith." CreationDate="2018-09-27T14:10:55.830" UserDisplayName="user30031" />
  <row Id="16622" PostId="5579" Score="0" Text="@DoritoStyle I believe we'll have to agree to disagree on that. As always, if you have concerns about the actions of the moderator team that you feel are not or cannot be resolved on meta, please contact the Community Team." CreationDate="2018-09-27T15:10:29.237" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16623" PostId="5579" Score="3" Text="@DoritoStyle how would you suggest responding to a question which is based on false assumptions in &quot;good faith?&quot; My assumption is the OP wants to understand why their answer was so heavily downvoted. If they want to make a strawman argument or just troll this site (perhaps they don't actually care why their answer was downvoted, etc) my response would be very different. I am operating under the assumption that the OP's interest in understanding this situation is sincere. If you would prefer, I can change my response here to not assume good intent... (1/2)" CreationDate="2018-09-27T15:16:01.097" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16624" PostId="5579" Score="3" Text="..but assuming good intent doesn't mean, &quot;you are absolutely right without question.&quot; You seem to think that because I disagree with the OP, that is somehow wronging them or not answering in good faith. It's the same problem that is happening to the OP: they think they are right, self describing their answer as being unfairly downvoted, and asking why it is being &quot;gang downvoted.&quot; Unless they are open to their answer actually being considered wrong/a bad idea by most people, they will feel wronged  no matter what I type into this box other than, &quot;yes, it happens, you were wronged.&quot; (2/2)" CreationDate="2018-09-27T15:19:56.740" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16610" PostId="5580" Score="1" Text="For example, if a particular user has a habit of giving *questionable* advice...." CreationDate="2018-09-27T12:19:34.660" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16612" PostId="5582" Score="0" Text="Agreed.  Bad answer = lot's of downvotes." CreationDate="2018-09-27T12:40:07.013" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16613" PostId="5582" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive - well I'd like to see a query run that counts how many answers here have attracted at least 26 downvotes. Any site with lots of members will have lots of bad answers. It's not clear that many bad answers collect this many downvotes." CreationDate="2018-09-27T12:43:28.500" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16614" PostId="5582" Score="0" Text="In this case, the question got a ton of views which is why I think the votes are what they are." CreationDate="2018-09-27T12:45:43.507" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16616" PostId="5582" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive - that seems likely." CreationDate="2018-09-27T12:53:38.913" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16620" PostId="5582" Score="7" Text="@JoeStrazzere There's a [data query](https://data.stackexchange.com/workplace/query/880332/most-downvoted-answers-on-the-site) for that." CreationDate="2018-09-27T13:08:59.550" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16628" PostId="5582" Score="3" Text="@snow - thanks. I would have expected more than just 13 answers with at least 26 downvotes. That indicates to me that we don't really have a pervasive problem with &quot;ganging up&quot; in this manner." CreationDate="2018-09-27T19:53:37.903" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16629" PostId="5582" Score="1" Text="Fundamentally, this is about an unpopular answer on a very popular question. It’s not unreasonable to expect some extreme voting simply because of the amount of viewers. As you’re well aware, there are automatic measures that trap targeted voting patterns." CreationDate="2018-09-27T20:12:15.640" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16630" PostId="5582" Score="1" Text="@Snow - I'm not aware of automatic measures. But I'm simply not seeing a pattern of ganging up with downvotes. If a single initial downvote actually triggered such ganging up, I'd expect a lot more highly-downvoted answers that I see. It might have happened in this particular instance, but I see no evidence that it did. It's fun to speculate, but that shouldn't move us to action." CreationDate="2018-09-27T20:20:23.530" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17431" PostId="5582" Score="0" Text="Note that as of right now, there are 14 answers with at least 26 down votes, but only 7 of them have a negative score! I made [a small modification](https://data.stackexchange.com/workplace/query/940206/most-downvoted-answers-on-the-site) of the query to see that." CreationDate="2018-12-04T14:06:18.200" UserId="38233" />
  <row Id="16626" PostId="5583" Score="2" Text="Yup, this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^" CreationDate="2018-09-27T17:24:56.523" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="16668" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="I am one of the other 25 downvoters. From his other answers I originally assumed that the OP was being satirical, but no, he's totally serious. I almost never downvote, but this guy and vietnhi phuvan (from a couple years back) attract downvotes to a comical degree." CreationDate="2018-10-02T00:24:28.650" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="16669" PostId="5583" Score="0" Text="FWIW, it's not &quot;a bad answer&quot; as much as just really bizarre and aggressively negative. A bad answer can be explained away as a misunderstanding but not what the OP says." CreationDate="2018-10-02T00:29:40.590" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="16635" PostId="5585" Score="0" Text="I think that the dupe is highly similar. Still the post was answerable and IMO company specific was not q valid close reason" CreationDate="2018-09-28T01:14:43.297" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16636" PostId="5585" Score="0" Text="I'm always of the opinion that if it is off-topic and closed for the wrong reason, to just leave it as closed, as it has the same effect. Duplicates are a little different, but if you have the link in the comments, users can still find the linked question even if it isn't in the title." CreationDate="2018-09-28T12:37:21.617" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16644" PostId="5585" Score="0" Text="@DavidK yeah, but the thing is that comments are ephemeral, and if it was closed in part for being a dupe the way of preserving such link is for it to appear on the close reason." CreationDate="2018-09-28T19:53:41.343" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16645" PostId="5585" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus True that they're ephemeral, though in actuality once a question is closed they almost never get touched. That being said, I know that if a question is linked in the comments it automatically gets added to the &quot;Linked Questions&quot; sidebar. I'm not sure if it stays there if the linking comment is deleted or not." CreationDate="2018-09-28T19:59:24.653" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16665" PostId="5590" Score="0" Text="I currently see &quot;delete (2)&quot; under that answer." CreationDate="2018-10-01T19:55:18.050" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16666" PostId="5590" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Interesting - I still don't. Your rep is 228k+ ;-)" CreationDate="2018-10-01T20:01:54.620" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="16667" PostId="5590" Score="0" Text="Unable to check, now that such answer has positive score..." CreationDate="2018-10-01T22:30:51.950" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16670" PostId="5590" Score="1" Text="It wouldn't surprise me if the 10k tools were broken; those haven't been touched in... well years at this point." CreationDate="2018-10-02T01:57:09.637" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16672" PostId="5591" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I was unable to find that page. Bookmarking https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges now ;-)" CreationDate="2018-10-02T07:45:56.053" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="16679" PostId="5591" Score="0" Text="@JanDoggen you can get there via the help center, which you can access via the top right icon in the nav bar - the &quot;Privileges&quot; section is at the bottom of the center column of links. Though it's not straightforward as I'm pretty sure I searched for it when I found the link to quote :)" CreationDate="2018-10-02T13:13:20.003" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16689" PostId="5593" Score="2" Text="I'm sorry you're feeling frustrated.  Thank you for raising the issue on meta.  If you see inappropriate comments *please* flag them; moderators can't clean up what we don't see and there are a *lot* of comments so we can't see them all.  We need the community's help.  Thank you." CreationDate="2018-10-02T14:40:34.140" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16735" PostId="5593" Score="0" Text="Well, your last 4 questions were closed, so it's understandable to feel negativity (but then again your first 12 questions were also closed). But [they admit that's a problem, and they're working on it](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5603/community-90-day-edit-reopen-challenge?cb=1). You might even be able to get those questions reopened by raising them on [chat] or Meta (or maybe not - who knows). I'm not sure if the less-than-welcoming comments have gotten worse lately, but SE has raised that as a concern not too long ago, although that has caused some controversy." CreationDate="2018-10-04T22:00:19.680" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16744" PostId="5593" Score="1" Text="You've been here over 3 years, and about 1/3 of your questions have been closed. I'm not sure I see anything different in the past 6 months. I agree that The Workplace closes far too many questions. But I don't see any recent changes for the worse. It's hard to see any possible actions about feelings, but if you pointed out specifics, then perhaps something could be done." CreationDate="2018-10-06T18:17:39.837" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16831" PostId="5593" Score="2" Text="From what I can tell, there are many users here that hail from Stack Overflow.  My experience with Stack Overflow is similar to the one you describe, and I don't hang out there because of it.  Those people have their groupthink (or whatever you want to call it) and they like it, so it doesn't seem like it will change." CreationDate="2018-10-14T18:23:23.160" UserId="46562" />
  <row Id="16691" PostId="5594" Score="2" Text="*The trigger-happiness with close votes has been an issue* - questions that are not of a quality to stand on their own with out edit should be put on hold until they can be fixed.  Closing questions quickly gives us time to edit and save them before they take on a life of their &quot;My situation sucks am I right?&quot; answers that prevent editing the question to be constructive." CreationDate="2018-10-02T16:11:07.457" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16699" PostId="5594" Score="3" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings Which sounds all well and good - except for the most part that's not what happens. Too many people VTC and then just move on (I'm not aiming that at you BTW) and the closure reason messages read as exactly that *closures*. I'm not saying I have all the answers, but to pretend that what we're doing at the moment is working fine is ludicrous." CreationDate="2018-10-03T08:34:56.320" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16711" PostId="5594" Score="0" Text="*but to pretend that what we're doing at the moment is working fine is ludicrous* - Citation Required." CreationDate="2018-10-03T12:54:37.357" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16712" PostId="5594" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings [Because if it was we wouldn't need to be doing this?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5603/community-90-day-edit-reopen-challenge?cb=1)" CreationDate="2018-10-03T13:37:44.470" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16716" PostId="5594" Score="3" Text="That looks like an XY problem.  You think the problem is that the questions are being closed.  The problem as I see it is that the bad questions aren't being improved  enough to reopen. The site could continue to operate effectively without the challenge it is just an attempt to improve our question reopen rate." CreationDate="2018-10-03T15:36:46.950" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16717" PostId="5594" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I suppose the low numbers of Qs being improved and being re-opened is my core issue as that makes being put on hold a *de facto* closure. I do think we &quot;hold&quot; too many Qs that are fine as is but I know better than to open *that* can of worms" CreationDate="2018-10-03T15:40:42.120" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16778" PostId="5594" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings, how about this: The problem is a small group of people who are too addicted to the _negative_ aspect (closing questions) and not at all interested in the _positive_ aspect (editing questions to improve them; posting suggestions as comments; etc.).  I'm not sure why this is, though I get the impression that voting to close a question is a much lower-effort activity than editing a question or making a comment.  These exclusively negative actors are having a negative effect on the site as a whole." CreationDate="2018-10-10T19:20:00.550" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="16779" PostId="5594" Score="0" Text="@Kyralessa - I do not see a problem there because the questions being closed are mostly poor quality.  Those that are not poor quality tend to be fixed and reopened fairly quickly." CreationDate="2018-10-10T19:35:56.777" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16780" PostId="5594" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings That is a subjective judgment, and I completely disagree with it.  I would say that the questions being closed are _mostly_ just fine, as evidenced by upvotes, good quality answers, etc.  As for the few that are _not_ just fine, nothing prevents the question-closer gang from contributing positively to improving them other than their complete unwillingness to do so." CreationDate="2018-10-10T19:41:42.703" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="16781" PostId="5594" Score="0" Text="@Kyralessa - We are not going to agree on this topic it seems." CreationDate="2018-10-10T20:07:25.290" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16782" PostId="5594" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I agree with you that I am not going to agree with you.  :D" CreationDate="2018-10-10T20:41:14.563" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="16833" PostId="5594" Score="0" Text="For a specific example, I've seen enough closed questions w/ @IDrinkandIKnowThings's name on it, where I thought the question was fine, that I think that the problem is actually IDrinkandIKnowThings.  I didn't go looking to see who was closing questions, I just happened to notice because it's a catchy name. I'm just some n00b on the site, so there's no point in picking a fight against more established users. Running the stats to see who is voting to close would be a better approach, &amp; moderators could reach out and say something like &quot;Offer constructive criticism &amp; wait a week before closing&quot;." CreationDate="2018-10-14T18:30:40.143" UserId="46562" />
  <row Id="16673" PostId="5595" Score="3" Text="JoeFact#1 Deep down, we all wish we could be just a little bit more Joe" CreationDate="2018-10-02T12:09:47.220" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16674" PostId="5595" Score="2" Text="@motosubatsu Na... you be you, I'll be me is my philosophy" CreationDate="2018-10-02T12:11:26.067" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16675" PostId="5595" Score="2" Text="JoeFact#1.5 ..except Kilisi of course. Who none of us would change for the world :)" CreationDate="2018-10-02T12:15:52.377" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16676" PostId="5595" Score="5" Text="We don't need any more Joe's. @Kilisi is a valuable contributor with his own strong point of view (not to mention on the verge of 100k). We need more of those!" CreationDate="2018-10-02T12:20:51.970" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16677" PostId="5596" Score="0" Text="Good edit. I voted to reopen already." CreationDate="2018-10-02T12:58:48.937" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16682" PostId="5598" Score="0" Text="It was a good edit. I voted to re-open." CreationDate="2018-10-02T14:13:09.617" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16684" PostId="5598" Score="0" Text="I have no idea why it was put on hold in the first place." CreationDate="2018-10-02T14:18:02.233" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16686" PostId="5598" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere me neither.. as my ever cryptic mother would say &quot;a blind man on a galloping horse could see what that question was about!&quot;" CreationDate="2018-10-02T14:22:55.460" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16685" PostId="5599" Score="0" Text="First time I looked at the tool, too complicated for me. With the 15% I would think that is probably because a first time user who gets his question closed immediately just doesn't come back. Certainly for me stackexchange gives me answers instead of closing (I've had questions closed I think, but not before getting something to work with)" CreationDate="2018-10-02T14:22:09.007" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16688" PostId="5599" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi yeah, as I said on another question recently the 10k tools are... well they aren't remotely straightforward to use nor have they seen any love for perhaps the 5 years I remember them being available. I had been looking to find the historical close rate as that seems useful but I didn't see it anywhere in there, either." CreationDate="2018-10-02T14:37:02.363" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16745" PostId="5599" Score="3" Text="&quot;A good exercise if you feel too many questions are closed would be to take a list of say 10 or more and post them asking for explanations to why they are closed.&quot; - or even better, read the actual system-specified reasons for the close votes. Then edit the question and propose that it be re-opened." CreationDate="2018-10-06T18:22:47.353" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16774" PostId="5599" Score="0" Text="I'm a bit surprised to hear that a moderator can't read everything.  On StackOverflow that would make sense; just now I looked and it had **50 new questions in the last five minutes**.  Here on Workplace, on the other hand, **yesterday** there were about **15 new questions** asked on the site.  That doesn't seem like an overwhelming load.  If someone doesn't have time to read 15 questions, does that person really have time to be a moderator?" CreationDate="2018-10-10T15:18:51.283" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="16776" PostId="5599" Score="1" Text="@Kyralessa tell ya what, I'll ask my newborn to be quiet and let me read all the questions here for a few hours every day. I'm sure he'll be happy to help me out so I can satisfy your concerns!" CreationDate="2018-10-10T18:49:01.883" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16777" PostId="5599" Score="0" Text="@ElysianFields Actually, my numbers were high.  There are 6 mods.  Looking at the 100 most recent questions, the earliest was on 2 Oct.  Counting that day and today, that's 100 questions in 9 days.  So actually **11** new questions per day.  Divided among 6 mods, that's less than 2 questions per mod.  I gather keeping up with these questions is not among a mod's expected duties.  But if flagging is the answer, I'll also point out that people's flags can be marked as helpful or unhelpful, which may make them reluctant to flag any but the most egregious cases." CreationDate="2018-10-10T19:17:03.520" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="16785" PostId="5599" Score="2" Text="@Kyraleesa, It's not just about reading the 15 questions.  Moderators also need to stay on top of comment wars and voting wars as they occur.   That could mean revisiting the same question (and its answers) many times to stay on top of all of the interaction." CreationDate="2018-10-11T13:22:13.043" UserId="3345" />
  <row Id="16832" PostId="5599" Score="0" Text="With a 50% close rate, who in their right mind would try to edit a question to be reopened?  I didn't know it was literally that bad, but I have been running into a lot of closed-as-duplicate questions, and most of them aren't." CreationDate="2018-10-14T18:25:50.907" UserId="46562" />
  <row Id="16687" PostId="5600" Score="0" Text="Much obliged! :)" CreationDate="2018-10-02T14:23:21.290" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16693" PostId="5603" Score="1" Text="I'm up for the challenge! :)" CreationDate="2018-10-02T19:02:16.227" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16697" PostId="5603" Score="0" Text="Some further discussion: What should be done to the posts that have negative score? After the edit, I take it that the post will be of higher quality, so should we consider upvoting, so we also take out such posts from the negative zone (as those posts tend to receive few help)?" CreationDate="2018-10-02T23:59:00.237" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16698" PostId="5603" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus I added a blurb about that, too, good question!" CreationDate="2018-10-03T01:43:01.137" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16700" PostId="5603" Score="1" Text="Hold my beer... I'm going in!" CreationDate="2018-10-03T09:01:44.557" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16762" PostId="5603" Score="0" Text="[Closed questions that aren't duplicates with no answers](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=closed%3Ayes+answers%3A0+duplicate%3Ano) or [if you don't care about whether they have an answer or they're a duplicate](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=closed%3Ayes)" CreationDate="2018-10-08T23:05:58.250" UserId="39976" />
  <row Id="16708" PostId="5604" Score="0" Text="Nicely done....." CreationDate="2018-10-03T11:58:53.183" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16702" PostId="5608" Score="0" Text="&quot;*Is it appropriate for me to service requests that are within my capability but not my department's remit?*&quot; Impossible for us to answer, OP should ask his manager that. The second question is answerable, but haven't we covered it before?" CreationDate="2018-10-03T10:03:57.880" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16719" PostId="5613" Score="3" Text="Congratulations Kilisi! Much deserved milestone to our Zen master." CreationDate="2018-10-03T16:22:09.100" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16723" PostId="5613" Score="4" Text="He beat me! I guess that's what I get for taking a long break :D Congrats to yet another of the 100k club here!" CreationDate="2018-10-03T18:56:51.740" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16725" PostId="5617" Score="1" Text="Do you have any post you are particularly proud of? Perhaps one you consider the most valuable..." CreationDate="2018-10-03T21:10:17.273" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16726" PostId="5617" Score="2" Text="@DarkCygnus not really, I did have one answer that had me almost choking on my coffee. But it quite rightfully got deleted." CreationDate="2018-10-03T21:17:21.510" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16729" PostId="5617" Score="9" Text="This is like your longest answer ;) but honestly good stuff, I typically find myself upvoting your answers" CreationDate="2018-10-04T04:08:55.633" UserId="39976" />
  <row Id="16733" PostId="5617" Score="2" Text="@Tas actually one day over The Watercooler I recall Monica or someone else did a query to find out Kilisi's longest answer... and IIRC it was actually longer than this one" CreationDate="2018-10-04T21:22:21.343" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16734" PostId="5617" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus my English isn't great so I keep the answers short... at least I don't use abbreviations :)" CreationDate="2018-10-04T21:54:04.303" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16737" PostId="5617" Score="0" Text="There was one answer longer today at least by a huge margin :)" CreationDate="2018-10-05T09:04:28.383" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="16739" PostId="5617" Score="3" Text="Every time I see someone who writes fluent English say &quot;my English isn't great&quot; I smile a little. Honestly I have never once thought English wasn't your first language. Well, other than those silly British English spellings ;-)" CreationDate="2018-10-05T15:12:40.407" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16730" PostId="5618" Score="2" Text="&quot;explain the outcome/aftermath as a comment on that answer.&quot; - we've been told repeatedly that comments are temporary and could be deleted or moved to Chat at any time. So leaving a comment that you expect others to be able to read down the road doesn't seem like a wise approach." CreationDate="2018-10-04T11:03:30.140" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16731" PostId="5618" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere: While comments may be temporary, I don't imagine mods delete comments blindly - I suspect they'd leave such a comment up. But in any case, *questions* should be just that: questions. Partial answers and responses to answers shouldn't be part of the question; answers should be answers, and responses to answers should be comments." CreationDate="2018-10-04T18:46:17.263" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="16732" PostId="5618" Score="0" Text="my experience says otherwise. But you can always leave a comment and hope that whoever you wished to read it will be able to do so." CreationDate="2018-10-04T19:35:46.293" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16738" PostId="5620" Score="2" Text="Hmm, I'm not sure. I do know that after a given time period, those flags _do_ show up in the moderator queue - how long that is I'm not sure. The idea is that the review queue should handle it first and _then_ it shows up for moderators, if it's not, but I'm unsure what happened here. I don't see any reviews for your recent flags... maybe it just didn't get looked at in the review queue?" CreationDate="2018-10-05T15:10:01.643" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16740" PostId="5620" Score="1" Text="@ElysianFields My most recent flag was declined in under 24 hours. If it was supposed to hit the review before going to the moderators, that seems like a potential bug? Either that or a very short delay time." CreationDate="2018-10-05T15:20:15.607" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16806" PostId="5620" Score="0" Text="An obvious example of this problem is link only answers. If they get on the LQQ then there is an obvious option to choose but it has to get on the queue first and some users trhink that they way to deal with link only is not sufficient for NAA." CreationDate="2018-10-12T14:51:29.137" UserId="720" />
  <row Id="16843" PostId="5620" Score="1" Text="@ElysianFields [15 minutes](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/247658/295232)" CreationDate="2018-10-17T06:44:57.923" UserId="33983" />
  <row Id="16844" PostId="5620" Score="3" Text="@Glorfindel Thanks for finding that. And wow, that is an *incredibly* small amount of time. No wonder it doesn't get a chance to go through the review queue!" CreationDate="2018-10-17T11:42:25.540" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16746" PostId="5623" Score="0" Text="I answered an Islamic question?" CreationDate="2018-10-08T10:06:03.420" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16747" PostId="5623" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi The one about the guy not wanting to shake hands with women. Maybe he wasn't Muslim, but I can't remember" CreationDate="2018-10-08T10:19:18.040" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16748" PostId="5623" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I remember something like that" CreationDate="2018-10-08T10:37:18.120" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16749" PostId="5623" Score="2" Text="We do have an [Islam](https://islam.stackexchange.com/) stack that covers cultural questions." CreationDate="2018-10-08T12:03:05.330" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16750" PostId="5623" Score="1" Text="@Snow We do. And maths.SE has a `cryptography` tag, for which we also have a site :) My intention for this tag was the cross-section of culture and business, specifically observant Muslims in foreign cultures" CreationDate="2018-10-08T12:08:37.573" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16759" PostId="5623" Score="2" Text="Uhmm... both islam and middle east have just one question... I wonder if it's worth creating a tag for a single question, as well as if it's worth separating religions as Kilisi mentioned..." CreationDate="2018-10-08T18:20:47.497" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16760" PostId="5623" Score="0" Text="For the question you tagged, we should probably just leave it at &quot;for religious reasons&quot; and remove the religion-specific context - that's only distracting from the issue (there are currently 2 comments on the question and 1 answer that mention the religion, but none of them have anything to do with the workplace). At that point it wouldn't make sense to add a religion-specific tag." CreationDate="2018-10-08T18:32:46.420" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16761" PostId="5623" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling That's a good solution" CreationDate="2018-10-08T19:28:01.453" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16763" PostId="5623" Score="0" Text="I finally found the handshake question, I didn't answer it at all..." CreationDate="2018-10-10T07:17:09.000" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16764" PostId="5623" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Really? I thought it was you... My bad" CreationDate="2018-10-10T08:39:19.497" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16766" PostId="5623" Score="0" Text="I wonder how they greet women? They can't bow and can't shake hands." CreationDate="2018-10-10T10:37:06.157" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16815" PostId="5623" Score="0" Text="So... based on the answer received, should this islam tag be removed from the one post it is on as of now?" CreationDate="2018-10-12T18:03:42.993" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16758" PostId="5627" Score="2" Text="It appears that the person just didn't want his real name associated with that question, and thus edited it to jibberish in panic. Isn't it better to _first_ flag the question so that someone can anonymize the abandoned user and then roll-back an edited version of the original question?" CreationDate="2018-10-08T15:50:16.427" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="16757" PostId="5628" Score="0" Text="I was unaware that you could capitalize tags, that would be appropriate. Yes, it would be a good idea to filter all Islam questions... if you're interested in Islam, as is the case for every other tag :) I'm not too worried about the potential ill effects of tagging questions so because I have faith in our moderators and the community (and if someone's hell bent to stir the pot, they'll find ways to do it)." CreationDate="2018-10-08T15:19:33.603" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16786" PostId="5630" Score="6" Text="In any case, perhaps we should be doing *both* things: stop the &quot;hooligans&quot; and clean what we already have." CreationDate="2018-10-11T15:52:03.983" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17120" PostId="5630" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus That sounds like a good plan.  So tell us, how do we stop the hooligans?" CreationDate="2018-11-08T19:56:42.473" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="17121" PostId="5630" Score="0" Text="Ha! If I knew that believe me, I would have already suggested so :)" CreationDate="2018-11-08T20:04:27.697" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16769" PostId="5631" Score="3" Text="Yeah, we have a big &quot;close vote&quot; problem here in general. Some questions, granted, are closed for valid reasons - but many are not, and without explanation. It's incredibly off-putting. Closing should really only ever be an option when the question is beyond saving, or very clearly off topic - but most questions closed around here fit neither of those categories." CreationDate="2018-10-10T13:59:09.450" UserId="57339" />
  <row Id="16770" PostId="5631" Score="7" Text="I downvoted because I strongly disagree with the options you propose, but I agree that we should perhaps look at how we're using this close reason. A question closed as unclear with no clarifying comments at all is... not ideal." CreationDate="2018-10-10T14:17:12.380" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16771" PostId="5631" Score="1" Text="Getting rid of the close queue would be a fundamental change in the SE model, so seems unlikely at best." CreationDate="2018-10-10T14:19:26.103" UserId="38373" />
  <row Id="16775" PostId="5631" Score="3" Text="&quot;Closing should really only ever be an option when the question is beyond saving,&quot; - I agree. Unfortunately we have a few members who are very aggressive at closing questions as quickly as possible. I vote to reopen those that I think should be open, and I edit and vote to reopen those that need a bit of help before being reopened. If enough people vote to reopen, fewer questions will be closed." CreationDate="2018-10-10T15:30:14.393" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16783" PostId="5631" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere they probably also hang out on StackOverflow a lot.  SO likes to close questions." CreationDate="2018-10-11T01:28:32.917" UserId="46562" />
  <row Id="16772" PostId="5632" Score="0" Text="I would say that a good answer, like the one on the first question, can itself improve the question by drawing out the issues with clarity.  Do you disagree?" CreationDate="2018-10-10T14:24:57.183" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="16773" PostId="5632" Score="4" Text="yes I do. The answer should never clarify the question. If the answer is needed to clarify the question, then I think that alone proves the question was unclear. What should be done at that point is an edit to question to make it clear." CreationDate="2018-10-10T14:27:20.763" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16789" PostId="5638" Score="3" Text="Thanks for raising this here, I'm rather shocked by the number of downvotes your question attracted. I suspect it could be because you expressed a connection between a common business practice (&quot;offer contingent on reference check&quot;) and a hyper-controlling manager which most people will agree is far-fetched or perhaps naive. But the proper response to such questions in my view is to educate the OP on why their belief is incorrect, not to punish them with downvotes, let alone delete votes." CreationDate="2018-10-12T10:45:05.557" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16790" PostId="5638" Score="2" Text="For the record: &quot;Thanks&quot; and similar fluff is discouraged on this Q&amp;A network. I've edited it out of both your questions." CreationDate="2018-10-12T10:46:13.600" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16791" PostId="5638" Score="3" Text="You can ask, but only the users who issued the delete votes can accurately answer. I don't see a reason for downvoting this or putting a delete vote on it." CreationDate="2018-10-12T10:49:02.460" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16793" PostId="5638" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal please see my edit - thanks," CreationDate="2018-10-12T11:08:56.070" UserId="88515" />
  <row Id="16794" PostId="5638" Score="0" Text="The question was just deleted...." CreationDate="2018-10-12T11:40:04.050" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16796" PostId="5638" Score="3" Text="Given that the deletion is clearly contentious and that the question is now being actively discussed and considered for improvement, I've undeleted the question to make it visible again to the entire community. To be clear I don't believe this situation calls for any other moderation intervention at this point, nor do I support the idea that high-rep users have gone rogue. But I do think it makes sense to discuss how this question was handled, which would be problematic if most users couldn't see it or its history." CreationDate="2018-10-12T11:57:11.977" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16808" PostId="5638" Score="0" Text="@JalapenoNachos - If you want this question to stay undeleted i suggest you try to improve the question through editing." CreationDate="2018-10-12T15:18:18.563" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16812" PostId="5638" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal did you consider (temporary) &quot;content dispute lock&quot; on this question? One like was mentioned [for example here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3170/168)" CreationDate="2018-10-12T16:10:55.510" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="16817" PostId="5638" Score="0" Text="It has one delete vote again. I'm tempted to edit the words *rude* and the entire 2nd paragraph out (because 1. why bad impression and 2. unwarranted micromanager assumption), but that may be against the OP's intent. @JalapenoNachos I suggest you do that yourself." CreationDate="2018-10-12T18:37:58.063" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="16818" PostId="5638" Score="2" Text="@gnat a lock would prevent attempts to improve the post." CreationDate="2018-10-12T19:31:01.830" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="16826" PostId="5638" Score="0" Text="@gnat As Monica already said it would stop any attempt at improving it. By and large we don't lock posts until there's a clear issue like a close-reopen carousel. One deletion that we roll back hardly qualifies." CreationDate="2018-10-13T19:40:05.117" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16792" PostId="5639" Score="4" Text="An edit is more appropriate delete votes are for unsalvageable questions" CreationDate="2018-10-12T11:01:16.543" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16804" PostId="5639" Score="2" Text="@SaggingRufus - There needs to be something worth saving in the first place.  At -9 its a pretty good indicator that the question lacks that worth saving element.  If the OP wants it saved they should try to improve it." CreationDate="2018-10-12T14:02:39.447" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16805" PostId="5639" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings OP cared enough to open this meta post. All they need is guidance. If our first instinct is just close things without helping the user base why are here? Let's just close the stack." CreationDate="2018-10-12T14:10:36.980" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16795" PostId="5640" Score="0" Text="I vote to reopen the question. There was no reason to close it. Hopefully the OP will come back to clarify the situation." CreationDate="2018-10-12T11:54:45.787" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16797" PostId="5640" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere Counterpoint: why reopen the question when the OP has not yet clarified such a crucial aspect of the question?" CreationDate="2018-10-12T12:00:03.737" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16798" PostId="5640" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I am hoping adding the definition of light work will atleast help us get it reopened" CreationDate="2018-10-12T12:00:05.147" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16799" PostId="5640" Score="1" Text="I'm really not sure how we can answer this question without knowing at least where the OP is located." CreationDate="2018-10-12T12:16:02.080" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16800" PostId="5640" Score="1" Text="Looking at chain of events no one asked about location until 2 hours after the question was posted. Its very possible this is just a timezone issue. Either way this is not off topic and should be reopened if it gets closed for another reason, then we can discuss that but this is not off topic" CreationDate="2018-10-12T12:55:41.610" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16802" PostId="5640" Score="1" Text="@SaggingRufus My very first comment asked about location 10 minutes after it was posted." CreationDate="2018-10-12T13:14:14.390" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16803" PostId="5640" Score="0" Text="@DavidK not sure how I missed that one, its the highest voted comment. I still think it should be reopened. Close reasons should matter. I don't think keeping it closed for a completely different reason is valid" CreationDate="2018-10-12T13:17:04.697" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16819" PostId="5640" Score="0" Text="I don't see how the question is answerable without a lot more input from the OP" CreationDate="2018-10-13T06:23:08.687" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16821" PostId="5645" Score="1" Text="What industry does the OP work in (not everyone is software eng, protocol here changes based on industry)? What does their boss prefer? What country are they in? Are they part of a union? How time sensitive is it that the OP or their boss know they are not being sick? All of these, among other unanswered questions, would be required for a meaningful answer to the question they are asking." CreationDate="2018-10-13T13:43:19.647" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16823" PostId="5645" Score="1" Text="I agree, but again, not off topic" CreationDate="2018-10-13T16:53:37.190" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16824" PostId="5645" Score="0" Text="Keep in mind that being on &quot;hold&quot; doesn't directly mean &quot;off topic&quot; - questions which need more information _should_ be put on hold until the relevant information is added. Questions can be on hold for reasons related to topicality as well as what information is present in the question (or not present)." CreationDate="2018-10-13T17:32:19.127" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16838" PostId="5645" Score="0" Text="@ElysianFields I understand that, but this question was put on hold as off topic" CreationDate="2018-10-15T10:19:26.613" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16816" PostId="5646" Score="1" Text="This sounds like it would be a great answer to OP's question." CreationDate="2018-10-12T18:32:17.650" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="16822" PostId="5646" Score="0" Text="I agree completely, but it's not offtopic" CreationDate="2018-10-13T16:53:06.250" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16839" PostId="5646" Score="2" Text="@SaggingRufus You agree what? That the correct procedure will be different for every company? Then how can you think it's still on-topic? The off-topic reason explicitly states,  &quot;*Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors.*&quot;" CreationDate="2018-10-15T11:46:56.517" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16820" PostId="5647" Score="0" Text="`Any good answer would, of course, go into detail about one &quot;what things to consider&quot; and may or may not take a &quot;yes or no&quot; approach to the &quot;should I?&quot; aspect` As much as I agree with this in theory, my 5+ years of experience here reflects a different reality than the theory in how people answer these types of questions." CreationDate="2018-10-13T13:28:17.870" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16825" PostId="5647" Score="0" Text="It's not likely that this edit changed anyone's mind. The folks who always like to close questions quickly almost certainly aren't the ones who voted to re-open the question. The game seems to go like this, over and over again: 1) A question is posted 2) A small group of folks rush in to be the first to vote to close 3) The question is put on hold 4) An appeal is made in Meta to re-open the question 5) Other folks vote to re-open." CreationDate="2018-10-13T18:05:01.383" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16827" PostId="5647" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere, Exactly, such re-phrasing serves no real purpose other to appease the persnickety-ness of VTC-cops. Seems like a lot of labor to workaround the impulsive decisions of VTC-ers." CreationDate="2018-10-13T20:32:52.857" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="16828" PostId="5647" Score="0" Text="@teego1967 - I think the rephrasing makes the question better, so it does indeed have a purpose. My point was that rephrasing doesn't change the mind of most of those who originally voted to close. In virtually all cases, a different group of people vote to reopen. I'm not saying I like it, I'm just trying to express what is actually happening, IMHO." CreationDate="2018-10-13T20:35:05.587" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16829" PostId="5647" Score="0" Text="@ElysianFields, Well, if someone had just answered &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot; to the original question that answer would have been downvoted simply because it would have been too short and doesn't go into detail. What I am saying is that it would have been perfectly fine to have left the question as-is." CreationDate="2018-10-13T20:37:11.427" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="16847" PostId="5650" Score="0" Text="Last reopen vote cast." CreationDate="2018-10-18T13:45:37.287" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16845" PostId="5651" Score="1" Text="Thanks. You may be right about that &quot;extra special&quot; meaning." CreationDate="2018-10-18T12:21:09.273" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16846" PostId="5651" Score="1" Text="Any time @JoeStrazzere" CreationDate="2018-10-18T12:22:43.820" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16852" PostId="5651" Score="0" Text="I cast the final close vote while going through the CV queue based on both the state of the question and the ambiguity around valid (i.e. valid for which purpose exactly?)." CreationDate="2018-10-18T15:39:20.987" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16853" PostId="5651" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - I assumed &quot;valid&quot; for the same purpose that all other experience letters are used." CreationDate="2018-10-18T15:44:02.180" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16850" PostId="5652" Score="0" Text="I don't think it's necessary to make it even easier to vote to close than it already is.  With the high percentage of closes already, adding hundreds of canned reasons isn't useful." CreationDate="2018-10-18T14:16:57.760" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16848" PostId="5653" Score="1" Text="I'd say that pretty specifically relates to supplying formation to make the question clear, and if (as is often the case) the situation is that they just need to provide a location then seeing &quot;Unclear what you're asking&quot; feels very disingenuous and needlessly hostile IMO." CreationDate="2018-10-18T13:48:02.263" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16849" PostId="5653" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu See my edit." CreationDate="2018-10-18T14:02:08.800" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16851" PostId="5653" Score="0" Text="fair enough, that does make it clearer" CreationDate="2018-10-18T14:22:08.427" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16854" PostId="5654" Score="0" Text="seems like a reasonable idea" CreationDate="2018-10-23T02:37:12.630" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16973" PostId="5654" Score="0" Text="Would it make sense to create a [tag:paternity-leave] tag and also have it be a synonym for [tag:parental-leave]?" CreationDate="2018-11-01T12:23:55.930" UserId="62817" />
  <row Id="16974" PostId="5654" Score="0" Text="@Nat I don't think it's necessary until someone decides to create the tag themselves. While &quot;maternity leave&quot; is a pretty standard term used across most industries, &quot;paternity leave&quot; is less common. I would expect that anyone who would want to tag &quot;paternity leave&quot; would also know to look for &quot;parental leave&quot; when they couldn't find it." CreationDate="2018-11-01T12:29:52.353" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16982" PostId="5654" Score="0" Text="I'm a bit curious, does this mean the tag also includes backwater countries that distinguish between parental leave and maternity leave?" CreationDate="2018-11-04T06:51:49.843" UserId="7622" />
  <row Id="16993" PostId="5654" Score="1" Text="@fabspro Yes, I would say so. We can't have different tags for every country's slightly different version of parental leave, or health insurance, or retirement plan. If the question requires knowing a specific country's interpretation, then that country tag can be added as well." CreationDate="2018-11-05T04:28:23.473" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16865" PostId="5656" Score="1" Text="Thanks Lilienthal, I've edited the tag wiki as well." CreationDate="2018-10-23T11:58:56.650" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16855" PostId="5657" Score="0" Text="Even if the company wasn't mentioned, it still depends on the company policies. For example if I put an answer saying X and then another person tried using that in their own experience... it may not have the same effect simply due to company policies" CreationDate="2018-10-23T09:37:49.037" UserId="83963" />
  <row Id="16856" PostId="5657" Score="0" Text="plus the question you have marked lacks severe detail, as stated on the comments. The question is not closed but is on hold till we are provided with the details. For now I completely agree it should be on hold." CreationDate="2018-10-23T09:39:23.480" UserId="83963" />
  <row Id="16861" PostId="5657" Score="0" Text="&quot;*It should be reopened as-is*&quot; Strongly disagree. Without a location it's impossible to answer. Each state has different rules on this. &quot;*Are vacation days paid out in State X?*&quot; is answerable. &quot;*How can I ask my employer to pay out my vacation days when they're not legally required to*?&quot; is also a good question. The linked question needs work." CreationDate="2018-10-23T10:12:03.697" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16862" PostId="5657" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal, how about adding a comment to the original question to help the user know how he/she could edit the question to be more acceptable?" CreationDate="2018-10-23T10:18:10.090" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="16863" PostId="5657" Score="0" Text="@Twyxz, so how about adding a comment to the original question?  That would help the user to know how to make the question acceptable, and would be a nice _positive_ step to balance out the negative step of closing it." CreationDate="2018-10-23T10:19:29.930" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="16864" PostId="5657" Score="0" Text="@Kyralessa Someone else already did so." CreationDate="2018-10-23T10:20:21.477" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16866" PostId="5657" Score="0" Text="I voted to reopen." CreationDate="2018-10-23T12:44:55.643" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16857" PostId="5658" Score="0" Text="(Wikipedia)[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardee%27s] says Hardee's is an &quot;American based fast-food restaurant chain&quot;. I suppose US is the answer then :)" CreationDate="2018-10-23T09:53:55.937" UserId="92050" />
  <row Id="16858" PostId="5658" Score="1" Text="@Cyonis Yep, it's likely to be in the US but there's massive variance by state and they also have Hardee's branded locations in other countries - *&quot;specifically in Bahrain, Curaçao, Egypt, El Salvador, Guatemala, Hong Kong, Iraq, Jamaica, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Taiwan and the United Arab Emirates&quot;*" CreationDate="2018-10-23T09:55:16.270" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16859" PostId="5658" Score="0" Text="Ah, I'm not that familiar with US laws. I provided an edit, hopefully it is answerable now. If state is needed, we'll need to wait for OP to return." CreationDate="2018-10-23T09:57:23.537" UserId="92050" />
  <row Id="16860" PostId="5658" Score="3" Text="@Cyonis yep state is important if it is in the US" CreationDate="2018-10-23T09:58:33.377" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="16873" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure if you have to, but if you do, the &quot;related&quot; in the sidebar is a good start." CreationDate="2018-10-25T06:22:54.607" UserId="92050" />
  <row Id="16874" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="I'm really just wondering if answering a question that I didn't know was a duplicate is still a good thing or is directing the OP to a much earlier existing  version of their question and marking theirs as a duplicate much better?" CreationDate="2018-10-25T06:26:15.140" UserId="62116" />
  <row Id="16875" PostId="5660" Score="2" Text="Somewhat ironically, this is an almost exact duplicate of [Should we refrain from answering duplicates?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4740/should-we-refrain-from-answering-duplicates), though I don't think the linked question covers how to go about finding duplicates. But that's basically just &quot;use the search function&quot;, not sure if there's more to say on that." CreationDate="2018-10-25T11:31:44.570" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16876" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="If you have a good answer to a question, just answer it. There are plenty of enthusiastic folks who like to close questions." CreationDate="2018-10-25T12:11:58.080" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16877" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I'd say there's a slight difference in the two questions. The one you link is asking whether you should answer when you know it's a duplicate. This question is asking whether you should always go looking for duplicates before you answer a question." CreationDate="2018-10-25T12:20:41.347" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="16878" PostId="5660" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Hmm, true. I'm wondering then if this shouldn't be two questions though. Q1 is a useful discussion to have on meta, Q2 is more practical and less about discussion." CreationDate="2018-10-25T12:33:03.060" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="16879" PostId="5661" Score="1" Text="Totally agree on this one. It's better to use your time answering than searching and searching to see if there is a duplicate out there..." CreationDate="2018-10-25T15:15:49.027" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16880" PostId="5661" Score="0" Text="Also, in the 30 seconds you spend searching for duplicates, the question has probably been closed" CreationDate="2018-10-26T02:23:57.060" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16958" PostId="5663" Score="0" Text="The usual suspects, who seem to think that no post should remain open" CreationDate="2018-10-31T20:27:15.377" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16882" PostId="5664" Score="1" Text="Thanks. I'd still be curious to hear from the close voters what part of the question confused them. It might help in future question editing. In case you forgot, this: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/121350/revisions tells you if you voted to close." CreationDate="2018-10-27T13:33:22.563" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16883" PostId="5665" Score="2" Text="I feel like site quality and helping the asker are sometimes at odds. If a question isn't appropriate, but you still want to help, the best solution might be to point them somewhere else (like to chat, although that won't work for new users... so most users)." CreationDate="2018-10-27T23:10:38.023" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16884" PostId="5665" Score="3" Text="Well, we're not stack overflow where an existing answer is usually all thats needed and people don't even need to ask a question. Our site has a different dynamic." CreationDate="2018-10-27T23:23:36.320" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16885" PostId="5665" Score="5" Text="If you mean 15 minutes from when the question is asked: how many questions get closed in the first 15 minutes? As far as I can remember (badly) or see, it generally takes a few hours for questions to get closed (even if some get a close vote or 3 in the first 15 minutes). Long enough to be too long to prevent closure for that period." CreationDate="2018-10-27T23:35:10.527" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16886" PostId="5665" Score="0" Text="@dukeling I'm not actually sure, just sometimes I go into the new questions and some of them are closed" CreationDate="2018-10-27T23:38:59.670" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16887" PostId="5665" Score="0" Text="If this includes on-topic questions: there should probably be some way to vote to leave a question open from the question itself (you can do this in review). Having questions be closed only to be reopened later without any major edit (or having the major edit happen not long before it's closed) doesn't make much sense to me." CreationDate="2018-10-27T23:50:54.960" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16888" PostId="5665" Score="3" Text="Focusing on site quality is also about helping people, it's just about focusing more on helping people in the long term rather than the short term - that is: trying to help more than one person at a time and trying to keep the scope of the site focused to make the site as a whole more useful." CreationDate="2018-10-28T00:34:46.060" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="16889" PostId="5665" Score="3" Text="@Dukeling I understand that, but we're not a 1+1=2 site is my point, the dynamic is very different since it's about people and groups and unknown variables, even just locales makes a huge difference." CreationDate="2018-10-28T05:48:07.600" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16917" PostId="5665" Score="0" Text="Observe:  New user gets upvote, old hands get down-voted into oblivion." CreationDate="2018-10-29T13:04:01.540" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16918" PostId="5665" Score="0" Text="@RichardU are you back?!" CreationDate="2018-10-29T13:05:53.980" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16919" PostId="5665" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus for now.  Back, but not happy.  The twitter sh1tstorm brought me back.  They're trying to contain things, but now it's bled into hacker news, facebook, minds.com and youtube." CreationDate="2018-10-29T13:16:56.573" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16927" PostId="5665" Score="0" Text="@RichardU - do you consider yourself one of the &quot;old hands&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-10-29T17:32:48.570" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16928" PostId="5665" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere nah, I'm just an active noob, at least for now." CreationDate="2018-10-29T17:36:41.183" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16929" PostId="5665" Score="0" Text="@RichardU - okay. So in that case your upvotes don't disprove your &quot;old hands get down-voted&quot; statement." CreationDate="2018-10-29T17:40:57.740" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16931" PostId="5665" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere the old hands are getting some upvotes, but heavily down-voted.  I'm a bit more surly than most, so perhaps that affects things." CreationDate="2018-10-29T17:58:51.530" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16940" PostId="5665" Score="2" Text="From reading I understand the site has an issue with close votes being used improperly, but I don't think having a lock on close voting before a certain period is a good idea. We'd be taking our hands completely off an important quality control mechanism during a critical period (question formation) in all the cases we need it; we will have no capacity to hit the brakes at all. Sorting out problematic close voting is important, but this will do more damage to site quality overall." CreationDate="2018-10-30T11:10:14.227" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="16941" PostId="5665" Score="1" Text="Also, I suggest retag this as a feature request, and retitle it as that request, since it functionally about making a feature request." CreationDate="2018-10-30T11:10:42.753" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="16946" PostId="5665" Score="0" Text="This post is proving the point that the opinions of high rep users are treated with disdain.  Tall poppy syndrome?" CreationDate="2018-10-30T14:17:33.477" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16950" PostId="5665" Score="2" Text="https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/121802/dr-issued-open-toe-shoe closed within about 30 minutes of posting." CreationDate="2018-10-30T18:57:15.013" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16951" PostId="5665" Score="6" Text="@RichardU - I don't see any proof of disdain directed specifically at high rep users here." CreationDate="2018-10-30T18:58:18.833" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16981" PostId="5665" Score="1" Text="me neither, I only got 9 downvotes so far, hardly worth a yawn" CreationDate="2018-11-03T14:13:05.167" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16893" PostId="5666" Score="7" Text="I think &quot;2 hours feels more right to me. Mods can always close a question quickly, if there's some sort of 'question emergency'.&quot; sets an expectation that mods are onsite and checking flags/new questions more frequently than every two hours; I'm not sure that's really reasonable to expect." CreationDate="2018-10-28T23:45:23.180" UserId="70555" />
  <row Id="16905" PostId="5666" Score="1" Text="@nitsua60 - I was being a bit facetious. You seem to be assuming that questions actually need to be closed rapidly for some reason. I'm not. Any question that should truly be closed will be there the next day." CreationDate="2018-10-29T10:30:59.673" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16913" PostId="5666" Score="4" Text="Oh, sorry. Facetious didn't come through--I just read it as &quot;if it need be closed quicker than 2 hours, that's what mods are for.&quot; And for the record: I do believe that for a question that should be closed, it's best that the close-clarify/edit-reopen cycle happen as quickly as possible--in all stages." CreationDate="2018-10-29T11:45:30.310" UserId="70555" />
  <row Id="16954" PostId="5666" Score="1" Text="What if questions could be put on hold, but still answered by people with 15000 rep or something like that? We already have milestones based on rep." CreationDate="2018-10-31T03:50:09.320" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16985" PostId="5666" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi what message does that send to users without 10k+ rep?" CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:35:11.730" UserId="64595" />
  <row Id="16986" PostId="5666" Score="0" Text="@KorvinStarmast thanks, thats a good question for discussion, I don't have a definitive answer for you because everyone would I think get a different message. I don't see it as a negative thing myself. I would think the message would be something like... experienced answerers earn an extra privilege. Which already happens. I've actually put this comment up separately for discussion https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5685/feature-to-allow-high-rep-users-to-answer-closed-questions" CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:41:07.343" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16987" PostId="5666" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Thanks for your thoughtful reply, we'll see how that one goes." CreationDate="2018-11-04T22:00:03.397" UserId="64595" />
  <row Id="16891" PostId="5667" Score="0" Text="took you just one minute to get a downvote... ahaha" CreationDate="2018-10-28T14:41:01.237" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16892" PostId="5667" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi - no surprise there." CreationDate="2018-10-28T22:12:19.620" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16914" PostId="5667" Score="1" Text="Or possibly the cleanest [bank branch](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/366947/7317818) ( &lt;-- that's a meta.so must-read, there)." CreationDate="2018-10-29T11:49:39.987" UserId="70555" />
  <row Id="16925" PostId="5667" Score="4" Text="Bad analogy.  Instead its like keeping our whiskey bar about whiskey by not selling beer." CreationDate="2018-10-29T17:01:35.960" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="16906" PostId="5668" Score="2" Text="@SaggingRufus - hmm, I hadn't thought about that. You may be right. I was assuming that some folks would just rather be judges than be helpful." CreationDate="2018-10-29T10:37:49.963" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16907" PostId="5668" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere fake internet point and &quot;fame&quot; always win" CreationDate="2018-10-29T10:44:51.303" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16909" PostId="5668" Score="1" Text="@SaggingRufus but they're all using fake names :-) As do I for that matter" CreationDate="2018-10-29T11:35:13.657" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16910" PostId="5668" Score="5" Text="... you mean Kilisi isn't your real name. I feel lied to." CreationDate="2018-10-29T11:38:03.753" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16911" PostId="5668" Score="3" Text="It's funny that there is already 1 close vote for this question. But it's not surprising." CreationDate="2018-10-29T11:40:07.603" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16912" PostId="5668" Score="9" Text="@JoeStrazzere I like that its &quot;unclear what you're asking&quot; for a metapost tagged as discussion" CreationDate="2018-10-29T11:43:13.053" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16921" PostId="5668" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus talking about users that only VTC or DV" CreationDate="2018-10-29T16:34:22.417" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16923" PostId="5668" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Talking about VTC-ers" CreationDate="2018-10-29T16:47:51.530" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16942" PostId="5668" Score="8" Text="I've been trying to piece together what's going on, based on this and the other meta Q and responses. It sounds like there's an issue with close votes being used inappropriately startlingly often, but the metas about this are written in such a way that they can only be understood by those who already know exactly what's happening (which is probably only 10k+ power users who visit the site multiple times a day). The problem remains impenetrable to those not already fully aware of it. [1/2]" CreationDate="2018-10-30T11:13:03.650" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="16943" PostId="5668" Score="7" Text="You may get more traction if you describe the problem specifically so that other site members understand it, including those who aren't super engaged in moderation and visiting multiple times a day. This empowers a broader set of users people to recognise the problem, address it when they see it, share their solutions, etc. It means people not already recognising and acting on the issue will be able to do that. Right now there isn't much empowerment for anyone but the most frequent users of the site to do that. [2/2]" CreationDate="2018-10-30T11:13:06.260" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="16953" PostId="5668" Score="0" Text="@doppelgreener it's not something that the broader base can fix, I pretty much wrote the posts to give a suggestion to the actual people without singling anyone out unfairly. Because I know they'll read it and have already... hence the downvotes and even close votes on this discussion. I have already achieved what I wanted. But thanks for the suggestion." CreationDate="2018-10-30T22:11:49.937" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16977" PostId="5668" Score="3" Text="Who voted `unclear what you're asking`? It's tagged `discussion`" CreationDate="2018-11-02T17:35:50.253" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="16979" PostId="5668" Score="0" Text="@rath it was the VTC ghosts, they don't actually read anything. Once it get's to 5 we'll see who they are... almost tempted to VTC just to find out." CreationDate="2018-11-02T23:36:51.097" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16980" PostId="5668" Score="1" Text="Tempted as well, but it would be in bad faith :)" CreationDate="2018-11-03T10:22:04.720" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="17087" PostId="5668" Score="1" Text="@JohnGowers perhaps it is because you missed the recent events, and lack knowledge on the context, to be able to understand well. I'd say that is just result of your lack of engagement in this particular site (as evidenced by your 0 questions, 0 answers, 0 edits, and 0 flags). I see you have high rep in Math.SE, and I am sure that if I go over to that Meta and read the latest posts I would also lack knowledge on such, and thus think that the discussion is &quot;unclear what you are asking&quot; (although, again, it is a discussion not a question)." CreationDate="2018-11-06T17:15:14.193" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17100" PostId="5668" Score="1" Text="Or I could go to Math.SE and validly attempt to close all the questions as 'unclear what you're asking' because I don't understand much past basic arithmetic, or even go to Spanish.SE and try and close everything as unclear quite truthfully, because I don't understand Spanish" CreationDate="2018-11-06T22:16:35.667" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17133" PostId="5668" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi better : consider you're a java developer and vtc every question about another language on SO. You'll need to get multiple accounts however for that :D" CreationDate="2018-11-09T12:56:54.377" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17134" PostId="5668" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat unfortunately it appears that you could do it though if you had the accounts." CreationDate="2018-11-09T12:59:35.790" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17135" PostId="5668" Score="0" Text="While I think we agree on the premises, the problem is what we (the community of the Workplace, Workplace mods) should do ? It seems like the moderation at least partially failed us, so should we ask to someone like Shog, or event SE : what we should do to resolve the current problem ? Please note that, I'm not asking them to look at the current problem (the close voters), but how we should organises ourselves to solve it. Because currently we clearly can only rant or / deal with it while not being happy / leave." CreationDate="2018-11-09T13:06:20.730" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17137" PostId="5668" Score="0" Text="it's the leaving that got me involved, prior to that I didn't worry about it... but valuable people started leaving and if it ends with just me answering questions then we're all in trouble. Pretty much expecting all you big brain chaps to work out a solution after I got the ball rolling. So I can go back to just quietly solving problems in the background with my head down... low profile." CreationDate="2018-11-09T13:47:28.087" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16972" PostId="5669" Score="0" Text="You guys might want to respectfully continue this  [in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/85179/discussion-on-answer-by-nij-were-at-least-partially-about-helping-people-arent). I'm not sure what you're getting at with the &quot;unjustified one-liners&quot;, but this seems to be a dig at kilisi, who tends to give more concise answers than others.  Some of which get downvoted, others upvoted.  But he answers and attempts to help (even if it's not what the OP wishes to hear)." CreationDate="2018-11-01T09:35:48.240" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="16933" PostId="5670" Score="6" Text="I think the problem is that a lot of these posts that get closed (or at least close votes) are *also* useful to others (I think Kilisi phrased his question a bit awkward here). For example the other day I saw what is IMHO clearly a good question which even ended with &quot;How can I address [this specific problem]?&quot; with &quot;questions require a specific problem&quot; close votes; I checked the history, and the Q wasn't edited; there were no comments explaining the votes either. Simply put, I see no possible way, no matter how hard I try, how these votes would be appropriate here. This is a common pattern." CreationDate="2018-10-29T21:59:36.560" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="16934" PostId="5670" Score="4" Text="I mean, half (if not more) of this site's meta is &quot;I can't possibly phantom why this question was closed, please reopen it?&quot;, which is indicative that there are some structural problems/frustrations here, much more than any other SE site I've contributed on." CreationDate="2018-10-29T22:17:06.330" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="16945" PostId="5670" Score="0" Text="@MartinTournoij I've suggested [a more concrete meta post might be helpful](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5668/#comment16942_5668), one which describes what's going on for those less aware so as to empower the broad userbase to resolve the issue. That sounds like it would be awesome to bring up and describe, because that's pretty worrying—that sounds like bad judgement being exerted by a number of close voters." CreationDate="2018-10-30T12:17:25.563" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="17138" PostId="5670" Score="2" Text="@MartinTournoij I think there is a contingent of users who look at each question not asking &quot;Should this be closed?&quot; but rather &quot;Which reason best fits for closing this question?&quot; because ultimately they think _every_ question should be closed." CreationDate="2018-11-09T13:58:30.173" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="17144" PostId="5670" Score="2" Text="These black and white rules are great for a programming Q&amp;A site, but there are more shades of grey when you expand to tacking Q&amp;A outside of that domain.  It's less likely that someone is going to find an existing question that is a good fit for their exact problem outside of programming Q&amp;A.  Stack Overflow isn't very welcoming, and that needs to change.  Relaxing some of these rules would be a good start, and being less dogmatic.  We're here to help people as the end goal, and should not lose sight of that." CreationDate="2018-11-09T20:29:43.010" UserId="25572" />
  <row Id="16922" PostId="5671" Score="4" Text="I remember the question, and others. Hence my annoying you chaps on meta. Usually I wouldn't care, but I got a shock when people started leaving." CreationDate="2018-10-29T16:45:24.310" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16952" PostId="5671" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi I'm only here for a limited engagement, leaving again after Nov 5th" CreationDate="2018-10-30T19:20:41.587" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16955" PostId="5671" Score="9" Text="@RichardU you cant tease us like this! There is an ungodly high number of posts where people been neglecting to tell the OPs that HR is not their friend." CreationDate="2018-10-31T13:08:51.267" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16932" PostId="5672" Score="3" Text="Totally agree. I would add to the *&quot;there should be a time limit to be exceeded before voting to close.&quot;* part that close votes are blocked *except* spam or rude votes." CreationDate="2018-10-29T18:43:16.857" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="16935" PostId="5672" Score="6" Text="Ever considered that one reason for the time limit for bounties is precisely to prevent people using bounties to prevent their questions being closed (as they can only be closed by mods)? People need to take time and close vote carefully, but a flat time period where questions couldn't be closed wouldn't help anything." CreationDate="2018-10-30T05:12:45.453" UserId="35934" />
  <row Id="16944" PostId="5672" Score="3" Text="@curiousdannii Why don't you put that as an answer so we can vote on it?" CreationDate="2018-10-30T11:37:27.090" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="16947" PostId="5673" Score="8" Text="so in a few years can we expect enderland2 to apply for mod?" CreationDate="2018-10-30T15:23:51.833" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16948" PostId="5673" Score="2" Text="I think you need to be at least 14 years old to use SE @SaggingRufus ;)" CreationDate="2018-10-30T15:45:56.450" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16956" PostId="5673" Score="6" Text="So 14 years *marks calendar*" CreationDate="2018-10-31T13:16:59.413" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="16959" PostId="5673" Score="1" Text="@SaggingRufus even worse, you need to be 18 to be capable of signing legally binding agreements like the mod agreement. We'll all need to do our part to keep the place nice and tidy while waiting for enderland2 :)" CreationDate="2018-10-31T20:49:48.760" UserId="42248" />
  <row Id="16975" PostId="5673" Score="2" Text="@mbrig Being underage doesn't give you the right to shout at SE for kicking you off the mod team for violating the agreement, if you did violate it..." CreationDate="2018-11-01T18:09:34.673" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="20003" PostId="5673" Score="0" Text="@mbrig You're allowed to sign them; it's just that you're allowed an instant, condition-free exit clause but they're not." CreationDate="2019-09-21T22:36:31.903" UserId="49123" />
  <row Id="16949" PostId="5681" Score="2" Text="The recent HNQ drama made me recall the... wars of text that were written on the subject here 5+ years ago :-)" CreationDate="2018-10-30T16:30:40.230" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="16994" PostId="5685" Score="0" Text="AFAIK, there's like a 2-3 hour &quot;grace period&quot; where the UI will say you can't answer, but if you actually still do the POST request otherwise (button didn't update and you still post or via userscript) then it'll accept the answer." CreationDate="2018-11-05T07:21:37.053" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="16995" PostId="5685" Score="0" Text="@Magisch good grief, how did you find that out? You software chaps scare the heck out of me sometimes" CreationDate="2018-11-05T07:30:06.690" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16996" PostId="5685" Score="1" Text="Too much time on meta. AFAIK it used to be 12 hours or something but was changed at some point, let me go dig up the relevant meta post." CreationDate="2018-11-05T07:31:28.540" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="16997" PostId="5685" Score="2" Text="Here's the relevant MSE post: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/91922/how-was-this-answer-posted-after-this-question-was-closed . Basically, in order to use this, you would have to either use a userscript that disables the automatic javascript based update of your answer wizard while composing an answer, or forge a POST request somehow for normal answering. The grace period is &quot;about 4 hours&quot;." CreationDate="2018-11-05T07:36:57.410" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="16998" PostId="5685" Score="0" Text="not something I want to attempt, but it does show that there is a grace period" CreationDate="2018-11-05T07:37:48.327" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16984" PostId="5686" Score="0" Text="it's not a complete sidestep, I dislike the thought that people come for assistance and don't get any at all quite often. I guess this would be open to abuse, but high rep users are unlikely to abuse the privilege. Could even take rep out of the equation so no rep is given for answering it." CreationDate="2018-11-04T21:14:23.250" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16988" PostId="5687" Score="2" Text="That would be true only if the negative mentality isn't coming from high rep users." CreationDate="2018-11-04T23:13:56.133" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16989" PostId="5688" Score="0" Text="I agree somewhat, so perhaps the core problem is not the VTC crew but the votes to reopen?." CreationDate="2018-11-05T00:02:00.260" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16990" PostId="5688" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi - well the problem wouldn't exist in the first place without the race to vote to close, IMHO, so no. Without the &quot;VTC crew&quot; as you say, you wouldn't need to write this feature request. But given that, I believe folks should be voting to reopen far more frequently. If you want to answer a closed question (or if you want someone else to answer such a question), then vote to reopen. I know I do." CreationDate="2018-11-05T00:10:10.737" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="16992" PostId="5688" Score="1" Text="good point, I vote to reopen, but don't initiate it since when I did no one responded but that was ages ago. Nethertheless that's just passing the onus from one group to another. If they don't VTC vrs if they don't vote to reopen, it's not a proactive solution" CreationDate="2018-11-05T01:20:55.210" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="16999" PostId="5688" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi - IMHO, you should be voting to reopen more often. Your reopen vote may cause others to think that perhaps the question shouldn't have been closed. If enough folks start to think this way, maybe more people will get the help they are hoping for. And I know you want to help people." CreationDate="2018-11-05T13:24:07.290" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17000" PostId="5688" Score="0" Text="I agree, and have started initiating reopens with one success so far tonight I have no problem putting suitable actions to good advice.. I'll give any advice due consideration (for anyone watching)" CreationDate="2018-11-05T13:27:05.850" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17001" PostId="5688" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi - great! Maybe if enough of us decide to vote to reopen worthy questions more often, we can get people the help I think they deserve." CreationDate="2018-11-05T13:28:21.953" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17003" PostId="5691" Score="2" Text="*abusing the close-vote privilege* - In order to answer this question effectively we need that to be better defined about what you consider abusive behavior" CreationDate="2018-11-05T15:13:04.980" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="17004" PostId="5691" Score="5" Text="&quot;If a user is not actively contributing in any way other than close-voting, commenting, and the occasional down-vote, isn't this user making the site less welcoming, less useful, and less constructive?&quot; - in my opinion it is indeed making the site less welcoming, useful and constructive. But honestly, most folks don't know that a small group of users are doing this. They only see the end result - lots of abruptly closed questions. Only folks who look deeper realize who is doing most of the voting to close." CreationDate="2018-11-05T15:24:36.790" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17005" PostId="5691" Score="0" Text="Does close voting cost you rep?" CreationDate="2018-11-05T15:33:39.050" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17006" PostId="5691" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere - But those are reputation earned privileges. If using those privileges is abuse then i am guilty too." CreationDate="2018-11-05T15:36:45.197" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="17007" PostId="5691" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings using them isn't abusive in of itself, using them to *excess* is - in the same way that a single downvote of a users question isn't abuse but serially downvoting them is" CreationDate="2018-11-05T15:42:49.310" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17008" PostId="5691" Score="8" Text="Then this question should be more clear about what is abusive because as described here I feel like i am liable to be eventually told I am part of the problem too." CreationDate="2018-11-05T15:47:06.433" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="17010" PostId="5691" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I tried to clarify, if you want to edit to improve, go ahead.  I know that I'm not always the most articulate." CreationDate="2018-11-05T15:49:10.273" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17017" PostId="5691" Score="9" Text="What you're describing isn't *ab*use. It's just use" CreationDate="2018-11-05T17:40:02.840" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17018" PostId="5691" Score="4" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings - I understand the privileges. And I didn't say using them is abuse. Neither did the OP. Flagging is a privilege too. Excessive flagging is not. Commenting is a privilege too. Abusive commenting is not." CreationDate="2018-11-05T17:49:51.483" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17036" PostId="5691" Score="2" Text="I VTC every so often, but first I actually read the question, not just a word or two in it." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:48:27.860" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17009" PostId="5692" Score="10" Text="Amongst the questions that I voted to close, can you identify one or two that you feel I should not have voted to close?" CreationDate="2018-11-05T15:47:36.270" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="17020" PostId="5692" Score="0" Text="@JimG. your votes amount to 5% of the total, and you greatly contributed to this community with a five-digit reputation. I am calling out extreme behaviour by others users who contributed much less in proportion, see the list." CreationDate="2018-11-05T18:31:33.270" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="17021" PostId="5692" Score="1" Text="OK, cool. I just wanted to make sure there's no bad blood. Thanks." CreationDate="2018-11-05T18:45:16.643" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="17023" PostId="5692" Score="11" Text="Amongst the questions that *anybody* voted to close, can you identify one or two that you feel should not have been voted to close?" CreationDate="2018-11-05T18:49:30.970" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17024" PostId="5692" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio I am not making any claims on the quality of my questions. For the scope of this complaint, ALL my questions might be closed. The point I am making is that the VTC mechanism is being abused by few, specific users who contribute little else to this community." CreationDate="2018-11-05T18:52:08.470" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="17025" PostId="5692" Score="11" Text="If the questions should be closed, how is voting to close abuse?  You keep throwing that word around but you haven't substantiated *misplaced* or *malicious* use of close votes.  And you haven't looked at close votes in general, only the ones you've received." CreationDate="2018-11-05T18:54:15.137" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17027" PostId="5692" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio - From the OP's perspective all of them.  That is the crux of the issue here." CreationDate="2018-11-05T19:07:59.950" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="17029" PostId="5692" Score="10" Text="The problem may be... That those questions deserved to be closed and some people have been doing a really good job and voting to close a lot of questions..." CreationDate="2018-11-05T19:32:51.617" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="17032" PostId="5692" Score="0" Text="&quot;it would be great to see the same numbers for the whole community, to make a well supported decision.&quot; Yes, it certainly would be good if individual concerns over data were met with the whole sites data rather than just brushing it off. Do such tools exist, if they do, why the reluctance to even mention it. If VTC is harmless and praiseworthy, tell us who to praise." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:17:25.050" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17042" PostId="5692" Score="5" Text="[Stack Exchange Data Explorer](https://data.stackexchange.com/).  Go wild.  There's a [tutorial](https://data.stackexchange.com/tutorial)." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:55:49.913" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17069" PostId="5692" Score="3" Text="How exhaustive is this data? What questions did you survey, or what was your method and for what period? (For all I know, this could be a survey of all questions gnat has made a close vote on, which would skew the data.) Does this count close votes on questions that were later reopened, or only close votes resulting in a current closure? There are very few total close votes on this table *and* very few votes from many power users (e.g. a moderator has only 1 close vote on this table) which makes this data look noncomprehensive. Besides: do we have any evidence any close votes were unwarranted?" CreationDate="2018-11-06T12:07:52.457" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="17070" PostId="5692" Score="0" Text="@doppelgreener thanks for your feedback. I tried to start moving the discussion towards numbers, starting with data from my own questions. That table is the beginning, of the discussion, not the end. I expect those who say &quot;everything is OK, no need for this&quot; to come ahead with better data to prove their point. As limited as my analysis is, it's quantitative and supported by data, and it's more than you can say for any of the other POVs presented here. I am appalled by the dismissive attitude of some of the moderators." CreationDate="2018-11-06T12:57:12.837" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="17077" PostId="5692" Score="4" Text="@Monoandale if you want to make categorically dismissive comments, attack the moderators, and continuously ignore the requests of people to clarify your position and justify your wording, you will continue to feel &quot;appalled.&quot; Because SE doesn't start banning people based on a witch-hunt, as much as you want us to. You have *yet to even justify how this is &quot;abuse&quot;* or explain which questions were improperly closed in spite of this being asked many times of you. You cannot present &quot;data&quot; and then refuse to discuss that data - if you do this, you will feel dismissed and appalled." CreationDate="2018-11-06T14:04:25.803" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="17078" PostId="5692" Score="2" Text="I mean, you are effectively saying &quot;my questions were worth closing. But since a few people were more active in closing them it's abuse!&quot; -- if your questions even by your own admission are worth closing I don't see how you can make the argument that abuse is happening." CreationDate="2018-11-06T14:06:08.067" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="17026" PostId="5693" Score="1" Text="I would say that casting a reopen vote is indeed the best way to counter people abusing or misusing close votes." CreationDate="2018-11-05T19:02:11.197" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="17059" PostId="5693" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings best or not is a moot point, it's the ONLY way we have" CreationDate="2018-11-05T22:02:32.940" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17028" PostId="5694" Score="5" Text="This is sort of a misrepresentation of what I said.." CreationDate="2018-11-05T19:18:48.963" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="17060" PostId="5694" Score="2" Text="A person who is only doing those things might be making the site less welcoming to individuals asking poor questions, but they're making the site far more welcoming for everyone else" CreationDate="2018-11-05T22:02:44.437" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17072" PostId="5694" Score="0" Text="@enderland That was certainly not my intent.. although I'm puzzled by how you feel misrepresented?" CreationDate="2018-11-06T13:34:35.050" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17073" PostId="5694" Score="0" Text="@Richard Not really, all we're doing is turning into stack overflow where people are too afraid to ask questions because of the hostility of the response they receive." CreationDate="2018-11-06T13:38:13.673" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17075" PostId="5694" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu I edited in the _rest_ of what I was saying with that thought process." CreationDate="2018-11-06T13:57:16.740" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="17076" PostId="5694" Score="0" Text="@enderland apologies, that was a pure copy/paste fail - I genuinely did not intend to misrepresent you. I stand behind my opinion though a user acting in the way RichardU describes is **not** helping group 1 or group 2" CreationDate="2018-11-06T14:00:51.453" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17080" PostId="5694" Score="0" Text="@motobatsu - [citation required]" CreationDate="2018-11-06T16:01:18.667" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17081" PostId="5694" Score="1" Text="@Richard I'm not going to post details of private conversations I've had as that would be what we call a &quot;dick move&quot;, it's a pattern I've seen time and again in chat though and I thought [this](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/47408697#47408697) along with [this](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/47408732#47408732)  summed it up quite nicely. Your assertion that &quot;everyone else&quot; feels more welcome is patently wrong, I've never asked a question here precisely because of the harsh response I expect from the community at large." CreationDate="2018-11-06T16:42:31.303" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17083" PostId="5694" Score="1" Text="@motosubatsu - Your example seems to be a single user (one with a history of asking poorly-received questions) complaining about his questions being closed. If anything, you're proving my point that these actions make the site less welcoming *for those who persistently ask terrible questions*." CreationDate="2018-11-06T16:50:35.667" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17084" PostId="5694" Score="1" Text="@Richard They are far from the only one though - and given the fact that the same user has a good record of well received questions on other SE sites it is certainly interesting. You asked for a citation, I gave you one. How about you return the favor and provide a citation as to &quot;everyone else&quot; finding the site &quot;far more welcoming&quot; based on there being one or more users &quot;not actively contributing in any way other than close-voting, commenting, and the occasional down-vote&quot;?" CreationDate="2018-11-06T16:56:02.143" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17085" PostId="5694" Score="2" Text="@Richard Additionally you rather neatly support my position that the site is actively *trying* to be unwelcoming to users who don't immediately ask well-received questions. Precisely the philosophy that lead to the recent &quot;Be Welcoming&quot; initiative across the network and the accompanying [blog post](https://stackoverflow.blog/2018/04/26/stack-overflow-isnt-very-welcoming-its-time-for-that-to-change/)" CreationDate="2018-11-06T17:07:42.873" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17088" PostId="5694" Score="1" Text="@motosubatsu SE's meant to be unwelcoming toward the act of asking poor questions, but also give a feedback loop which guides users toward learning what makes a good question and asking good quality material. That may occur through (a) ask bad question → it gets closed → learn why → ask better question next time, and/or (b) ask bad question → it gets closed → learn why → edit it → it gets reopened. If we don't teach or reopen that's our failing. If a user never learns or changes behaviour that's theirs, and the site will become unwelcoming to them (and auto-ban them from posting Q's or A's)." CreationDate="2018-11-06T17:20:37.103" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="17089" PostId="5694" Score="4" Text="@doppelgreener Except what actually happens is (a) ask &quot;bad&quot; question -&gt; the op receives abuse, downvotes -&gt; it gets closed. User leaves, never comes back and tells all their friends about those a##holes on SE. So the &quot;feedback loop&quot; that you mention **doesn't work** and pretending that it does is becoming increasingly ludicrous. I'm all for working with new users to help them improve, but that's working **with** them, not giving them the metaphorical finger and  giving ourselves a pat on the back  for &quot;improving quality&quot; when they don't come back." CreationDate="2018-11-06T17:21:24.623" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17090" PostId="5694" Score="2" Text="*If we don't teach or reopen that's our failing.* Which is **exactly** my point! And users such as RichardU describes above who are &quot;not actively contributing in any way other than close-voting, commenting, and the occasional down-vote&quot; is exactly that failure writ large." CreationDate="2018-11-06T17:22:41.410" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17091" PostId="5694" Score="0" Text="If posts are being closed inappropriately that's bad, but something to address by drawing attention to when it happens, with examples and more detail about the issue [which I've asked for](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5668/#comment16942_5668). (I'm disappointed that such a request was declined, but anyone else can do this instead.) When closes (not votes, but actual closing) is appropriate it's on the community to provide that learning and, when appropriate, reopening. I say it's *our* failing because of this shared responsibility, not the failing of a handful of people." CreationDate="2018-11-06T17:28:33.440" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="17092" PostId="5694" Score="2" Text="@doppelgreener well for a start feel free to see the examples I posted yesterday in my other answer to this question" CreationDate="2018-11-06T17:31:25.893" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17093" PostId="5694" Score="2" Text="@doppelgreener I accept that the responsibility for the failing lies in more than one set of hands. It's not equally distributed though, I'm far from perfect (and would never claim otherwise) but I do what I can, when I can and I'm certainly not acting in the manner RichardU describes, others *are*." CreationDate="2018-11-06T17:36:51.697" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17094" PostId="5694" Score="1" Text="@motosubatsu - And again, to reiterate, some people don't like giving explanation for their close votes precisely because it's new users that are most liable to vent their frustration at the person who is trying to help them. Not everyone wants to be part of a *verbal* feedback loop" CreationDate="2018-11-06T17:43:44.477" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17096" PostId="5694" Score="2" Text="@Richard and some people don't post their reason because their &quot;reason&quot; is actually just rubbish. I have nothing against people not wanting to disclose their reasons, but they can't then claim that the feedback loop is the saviour if they won't participate on it. Personally I have literally never had a user vent their frustration at me in response to my explaining a close vote. [cont]." CreationDate="2018-11-06T20:59:32.600" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17097" PostId="5694" Score="2" Text="On the other hand I have seen people vent about nonsensical close votes with no explanation on multiple occasions and frankly I can understand why. If you remove the feedback loop then then what can already be a harsh teaching method just becomes plain harsh" CreationDate="2018-11-06T20:59:44.357" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17175" PostId="5694" Score="2" Text="Got to agree with Motosuba on this, nothing anyone has said except him makes sense backed by what we can actually see. I'm a fairly observant person and will give the benefit of the doubt in grey areas if I can, but I'm not stupid (not totally anyway) and this statement hits it on the nail 'their &quot;reason&quot; is actually just rubbish'" CreationDate="2018-11-11T21:29:42.030" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17034" PostId="5695" Score="0" Text="Well, then that means that the answer to my question is &quot;no&quot;." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:46:27.413" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17049" PostId="5695" Score="0" Text="@RichardU in some ways, this is a much broader Meta.SE question too than just focused on Workplace." CreationDate="2018-11-05T21:02:25.410" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="17051" PostId="5695" Score="0" Text="If you want to edit my question, I'd appreciate it.  It seems to be being interpreted as being hostile.  I don't know why, as that is not my intent." CreationDate="2018-11-05T21:04:19.033" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17064" PostId="5695" Score="0" Text="While I don't necessarily disagree with some points, I think that on the other hand, there is also some burden of proof on the close-voting side to explain why something is off-topic. I know that leaving comments when vtc is optional, and that is fine, but when no one hardly ever seems to leave comments then there's a bit of a structural problem." CreationDate="2018-11-05T23:32:52.763" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="17071" PostId="5695" Score="0" Text="@enderland Unfortunately for the time being at least there's [no point](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/317011/what-are-the-effective-communication-channels-for-effecting-change-to-se/317221#317221) in raising anything on meta.se. So it sounds like we're on our own." CreationDate="2018-11-06T13:33:02.093" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17011" PostId="5696" Score="3" Text="How do you know what their motives are?  That's part of the problem, since they don't contribute to the discussion at all, we don't know." CreationDate="2018-11-05T16:57:00.283" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17012" PostId="5696" Score="2" Text="@RichardU there aren't discussions around site topicality _for_ them to contribute to; just many meta posts about how terrible they are for the site. That's not really a way to start a constructive discussion (and why my answer here is about site scope, not the VtC side of things)." CreationDate="2018-11-05T16:57:59.700" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="17013" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="@RichardU It is because I don't know that I don't assume their motives. They can - at most - be called careless (especially with dupe votes), but I wouldn't go as far as say they're deliberately abusing it. Anyway the meat of my answer is the second paragraph, the first being my opinion." CreationDate="2018-11-05T17:00:48.330" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="17014" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="@enderland I would argue that what is not constructive is the act of VTC while providing no edits, no feedback, no help, and no improvement." CreationDate="2018-11-05T17:02:18.937" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17015" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I think that's actually a very important (and different) question than what your question here reads like. I'll edit to clarify that piece of it." CreationDate="2018-11-05T17:02:59.233" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="17016" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="@RichardU - Users are welcome to cast their votes without offering specific feedback. Many people prefer to do so in order to avoid the inevitable argument that comes from putting your head above the parapet." CreationDate="2018-11-05T17:38:12.340" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17031" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="I think they're abusing it, I don't see how you know their motivations unless they're an alter ego of yours, and they haven't responded to direct mention, because if they're directly mentioned the post gets deleted poste-haste." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:11:55.500" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17035" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="@Richard people are also welcome to flag and to vote, but there are bulwarks against abuse of those, why not bulwarks against abusing close votes?  Or, are you saying that close votes can't be abused." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:47:37.033" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17038" PostId="5696" Score="1" Text="@RichardU flagging *with poor results* (too many declines) leads to blocks, but that's generally not *abuse*.  (Usually it's people misunderstanding what flagging is for.)  *Targeted* voting is an abuse that is corrected, but &quot;overusing&quot; votes in a non-targeted way isn't abuse and isn't prevented.  You are arguing that people &quot;overuse&quot; close votes, but you have not made a case for &quot;abuse&quot; and I think you'd get a better response if you didn't make that accusation." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:51:24.090" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17040" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio what constitutes a 'better response'?" CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:53:48.540" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17043" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi I meant that people -- maybe even the maligned close-voters -- are more likely to engage in a conversation if it doesn't start with accusations of wrong-doing." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:57:35.770" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17045" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio do you think that close votes **CAN** be abused?" CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:59:38.580" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17047" PostId="5696" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio another question:  If flagging with poor results leads to blocks, shouldn't poor close votes (15 posts VTC, none of them closed, for example) lead to a block?" CreationDate="2018-11-05T21:00:59.183" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17050" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I was actually careful not to accuse anyone of anything, actually.  And it's hard to make a case against it when siting examples means naming individuals, which is a no no." CreationDate="2018-11-05T21:02:41.553" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17053" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="In that case you might want to reconsider the bold caps-locked &quot;abuse&quot; in the question. Can close votes be abused? Except if people are collaborating (&quot;hey, let's close all these!&quot;), I'm not sure. It takes five members of the community to close a question; if you can't get four other people to agree with you then your vote will fizzle away. If five people agreed that the question should be closed, then the fact that one of them votes a lot and another one votes rarely shouldn't change anything. This is why I'm asking for clarification of what behavior, exactly, people think should be blocked." CreationDate="2018-11-05T21:06:44.863" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17055" PostId="5696" Score="4" Text="My impression is that the questions that get closed and reopened are ones where people disagree about scope, not ones where five people acted in bad faith." CreationDate="2018-11-05T21:07:26.057" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17056" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio You don't need five people acting in bad faith.  Close votes attract close votes.  All you need is one malicious actor and four lazy ones not checking much in the review cue." CreationDate="2018-11-05T21:11:28.040" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17057" PostId="5696" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio RE Abuse.  When someone is abusing a privilege it generally doesn't mean  the same as when you're saying someone in abusive, but I know I have problems with my choice of words often times as I tend to use words denotatively and tend to not often get the exact connotative use of the words.  So, I am certainly open to any suggestions or edits to bring the tone in alignment with my intent." CreationDate="2018-11-05T21:15:13.883" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17058" PostId="5696" Score="4" Text="&quot;Misuse&quot; is probably a better word in that case, @RichardU." CreationDate="2018-11-05T21:29:08.863" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17019" PostId="5697" Score="0" Text="`Personally.. I think the scope is to help people with workplace situations. I think (hope) that's shared by others, but I know that many here do not.` &quot;Great! Can you help me with this report I have to do? I'm running a little behind, it'd be great for some expert input!&quot; This is intended to be tongue in cheek and point out how even this isn't a clearly shared scope understanding as I instantly could think of examples you probably would disagree belong on Workplace but fit the stated scope." CreationDate="2018-11-05T18:20:19.773" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="17030" PostId="5697" Score="0" Text="@enderland I have given out my private email for things such as this.  But that's just me." CreationDate="2018-11-05T19:51:02.243" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17033" PostId="5697" Score="0" Text="This is a good answer and provides a lot of well articulated food for thought. Thanks." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:45:24.380" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17074" PostId="5697" Score="0" Text="@enderland If there's a more appropriate SE site for helping with their report I'd direct them to it. Or I'd help them in chat, or over e-mail as I've done more than once for other users in the past. I'm here to share my knowledge and help people. Exactly as per the much vaunted CoC. Except all too often I spend more time arguing for the chance to help people then I do actually helping them. This isn't aimed at you, I'm just really having a difficult time understanding the bizarre disconnect between what the SE network claims to want and what they actually support to exist." CreationDate="2018-11-06T13:43:17.557" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17039" PostId="5699" Score="7" Text="First somebody's got to define &quot;abuse&quot;.  Can't look for data without requirements.  Also, &quot;abuse&quot; generally means either malice or blatant disregard for norms, not just disagreeing, so please describe how the community should look for that." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:53:08.030" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17041" PostId="5699" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio who? Moanadale suggested one way, and was ignored. So who does the defining? You? Or shall we just decide it's undefinable? Is a meta post tagged 'Discussion' with 3 VTC on it for 'being unclear what you're asking' a sign of abuse, or disagreement?" CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:55:18.170" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17044" PostId="5699" Score="1" Text="Were those VTC made by new users who don't know what VTC is and thought it was to signal disagreement, or experienced users who know full well?" CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:59:23.447" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17046" PostId="5699" Score="5" Text="Somebody who thinks there's abuse must have a definition of &quot;abuse&quot; in mind.  Moanadale's seems to be &quot;voted to close a lot of my questions&quot; and doesn't dispute that they should have been closed.  If you like Richard's definition you can probably use SEDE to validate or falsify the claim.  Burden of research is gonna have to be on the folks who think there's a problem." CreationDate="2018-11-05T20:59:52.633" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17048" PostId="5699" Score="1" Text="I like my definition as indicative that there is a problem, do you see any issue with my definition outlined in the comment above?" CreationDate="2018-11-05T21:01:36.783" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17198" PostId="5699" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Re: &quot;Burden of research&quot;, with all due respect I did some preliminary &quot;research&quot; into the question in my 2nd answer on this thread. And not a single TWP mod has cared to weigh in on that so I for one am not feeling particularly inclined to spend time doing more in-depth research when the form book suggests it's just preaching to the tumbleweeds. Absurdly the only mod to even acknowledge it and engage was from a different site! [cont]" CreationDate="2018-11-14T16:52:08.897" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17200" PostId="5699" Score="0" Text="The fact remains that open/close votes are the **only** aspect of community moderation that has no &quot;safeguard&quot;, either an automated one like Up/Down or the ability to flag. Time and again the mantra is that if we perceive a potential issue with another user's actions we are to &quot;flag it to the mods&quot;, but on this *one* aspect of the site we are provided no mechanism to do so. It's like Queen Victoria striking lesbianism from the anti-homosexuality legislation &quot;because she didn't believe it was possible&quot;." CreationDate="2018-11-14T16:54:27.070" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17068" PostId="5700" Score="2" Text="I am afraid this representation is quite accurate." CreationDate="2018-11-06T10:25:04.627" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="17079" PostId="5701" Score="0" Text="2nd VTRO cast :)" CreationDate="2018-11-06T15:11:32.043" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17082" PostId="5701" Score="0" Text="I voted (both nationally, and here). ;-)" CreationDate="2018-11-06T16:44:16.780" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17095" PostId="5701" Score="2" Text="I find it sad that this old question was closed in the first place and required a Meta plea to get it reopened." CreationDate="2018-11-06T18:10:12.537" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17099" PostId="5702" Score="0" Text="Good work...,,,.." CreationDate="2018-11-06T21:33:23.017" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17098" PostId="5703" Score="0" Text="Way ahead of you :) I cleaned the post up a bit as there was some slight language barrier clunkiness." CreationDate="2018-11-06T21:23:14.533" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17101" PostId="5706" Score="2" Text="Hello Jon. A year ago I posted a bug here on TWP Meta, which related to [different layout spacing when on the users tab](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4917/73791). However, this new design &quot;fixed&quot; that bug, as the spacing is constant now... If you want, consider checking that bug post and perhaps marking it as fixed :)" CreationDate="2018-11-06T23:35:07.463" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17105" PostId="5706" Score="0" Text="Reference of original style: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2331/73791" CreationDate="2018-11-07T23:56:28.250" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17275" PostId="5706" Score="1" Text="What's the timeline we can expect for official responses on our feedback? I know you have a lot of sites in Beta right now, so I'm just trying to gauge whether we should be expecting to hear back next month, in three months, last week, etc." CreationDate="2018-11-20T21:20:24.770" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17278" PostId="5706" Score="1" Text="Heh. Last week is the correct answer. I'm working through the sites currently in beta to see which ones can be turned on for everyone and which ones need more work. Of course, this is a short week for me. :-/" CreationDate="2018-11-20T21:31:42.980" UserId="9899" />
  <row Id="17374" PostId="5706" Score="0" Text="I come here expecting to see a negative score, but wat?" CreationDate="2018-11-30T11:14:07.467" UserId="81531" />
  <row Id="17104" PostId="5708" Score="1" Text="Third VTRO cast" CreationDate="2018-11-07T09:11:03.580" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17124" PostId="5710" Score="5" Text="The water cooler was the first thing I looked for in the new design.  I don't usually see it (don't use a super-wide window), but I knew it was there and wondered." CreationDate="2018-11-08T21:43:48.877" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17294" PostId="5710" Score="0" Text="This could also sit in the bottom left spot the characters on Worldbuilding occupy: https://worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/" CreationDate="2018-11-22T11:53:05.920" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="17125" PostId="5711" Score="6" Text="We sometimes have a problem with people assuming that this site is really The Software Workplace, so I don't mind if some of those go away.  It'd be great if we got some tools of *other* trades instead -- scientific instruments, machinist tools, something from retail... it's scope creep so I don't expect it to happen now, but maybe later if we don't fill up that space?  (I do want the paperclips, though.)" CreationDate="2018-11-08T21:49:00.800" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17127" PostId="5711" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio that is a great idea! Perhaps drop the keyboard and include something more relatable to people on &quot;blue collar&quot; jobs, like we have been talking" CreationDate="2018-11-08T22:57:44.600" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17468" PostId="5711" Score="0" Text="Because the banner has to work in various widths, we have to be conscientious of various widths when we design it. If you narrow your screen, you'll see that the tools get closer to the logo. If we had tools all the way across the screen, they'd interfere with the logo and make it difficult to read." CreationDate="2018-12-12T23:38:46.433" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="17470" PostId="5711" Score="0" Text="@Catija I see. Did you read monica's comment? We are trying to be more inclusive to non-IT folks and it would be ideal to have non-IT stuff showed there... also, on the watercooler I noticed it was cut down (almost by half), but I guess that is also part of the design (?) ... anyways, the WC is back and that was what mattered :)" CreationDate="2018-12-12T23:54:13.950" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17471" PostId="5711" Score="0" Text="Not saying that it's impossible, just low priority... that said, I think the banner right now is pretty non-IT - people in all industries use markers, drink coffee, use staplers, etc... Changing the artwork entirely requires a lot more time investment on the part of our design team, so if that's something y'all really want, it might be better brought up in a separate request (start a new question talking about your banner) for us to consider in the future. See my MSE question: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319274" CreationDate="2018-12-13T00:01:45.587" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="17472" PostId="5711" Score="0" Text="The WC fits better where it is and the height needs to fit in the footer bar... so the options are, cut it off and keep it otherwise the full size or shrink the entire thing... I think bigger but cut off is better myself. :)" CreationDate="2018-12-13T00:04:04.400" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="17106" PostId="5712" Score="1" Text="Mods washed their hands of the whole problem by basically denying there was one. And if there is a problem to escalate, and if we want more info, get it ourselves etc,. Not sure we can rely on anything from that avenue." CreationDate="2018-11-08T10:56:43.963" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17108" PostId="5712" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi If you want it to be resolved, I suggest again that you [explain the problem for the benefit of those who might not already recognise it](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5668/#comment16943_5668). Your original post was basically preaching to the choir in a way: the only people who would understand would be those who already understand exactly what it is, which is why I made that recommendation. If you don't want to explain for the benefit of other people who don't already understand the issue, it cannot get understood or acknowledged or dealt with." CreationDate="2018-11-08T12:19:16.993" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="17113" PostId="5712" Score="0" Text="@doppelgreener in summary, too many perfectly good questions are being closed too quickly by a subset of users, this puts questions to ransom both peeving the OP and anyone who wants to answer. We have nothing in place to mitigate against abuse of the VTC privilege. We can reopen, it takes a while but we do it. However by that time the OP has already got a sour taste rather than a welcoming one. Bit more to it than that, but thats the basics. Does it make sense?" CreationDate="2018-11-08T12:47:28.923" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17112" PostId="5713" Score="3" Text="nice suggestion, and I absolutely agree with the last sentence." CreationDate="2018-11-08T12:30:55.803" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17114" PostId="5713" Score="2" Text="Unfortunately, some &quot;reviewers&quot; who VTC on every question seem also to be experts at detecting review audits.  You can easily find the review audits in their history because these are the only questions they ever _don't_ vote to close.  I suspect they're exploiting a flaw in the review audit system." CreationDate="2018-11-08T14:20:01.340" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="17115" PostId="5713" Score="3" Text="@Kyralessa Still, I suspect that most close votes we're talking about are coming from people who don't quite understand what the standards for questions are. I don't think there's a lot of malicious users who have earned review privileges only to ruin the Q&amp;A experience for newcomers. And yes, review audits are not designed as a test but as a reminder. They can absolutely be circumvented by inspecting every question outside of review page." CreationDate="2018-11-08T14:36:40.563" UserId="37016" />
  <row Id="17126" PostId="5713" Score="1" Text="Not sure if many of these votes come from the review queue; this site's traffic is small enough to keep up the with the &quot;newest questions&quot; list. You can check at https://workplace.stackexchange.com/review/close/history if you have more than 10k rep. Either way, don't see how it will hurt, so +1" CreationDate="2018-11-08T21:54:46.187" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="17116" PostId="5714" Score="1" Text="There is a process in place which picks this up and the perpetrator gets banned, but I think it needs more than 3, someone else will be able to give you fuller information" CreationDate="2018-11-08T17:36:09.863" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17117" PostId="5714" Score="3" Text="I think there is a process for detecting a &quot;serial voter&quot;. I think it detects both upvoters and downvoters. I'm not sure  if that triggers something automatically or not." CreationDate="2018-11-08T17:41:20.487" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17118" PostId="5714" Score="4" Text="if it has been over 36 hours since the troublesome votes occurred, consider acting per instructions at MSE: [What can I do if I'm the victim of serial downvoting?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/28758/165773)" CreationDate="2018-11-08T18:21:12.843" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17119" PostId="5714" Score="1" Text="@gnat - thank you. That link covers the situation nicely, in fact, this question is probably a duplicate of that one (I didn't think to use &quot;serial downvoting&quot; as a search term)." CreationDate="2018-11-08T18:25:39.637" UserId="87592" />
  <row Id="17122" PostId="5714" Score="2" Text="I just gave you vindicative *upvotes* because they were quite good. I hope the automated system doesn't similarly remove my upvotes." CreationDate="2018-11-08T21:40:34.670" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="17123" PostId="5714" Score="1" Text="@JimG. - it's an experiment! This is the kind of scientific maliciousness the world could use more of." CreationDate="2018-11-08T21:41:37.210" UserId="87592" />
  <row Id="17128" PostId="5714" Score="1" Text="I went through the top few and saw a couple of your questions worth an upvote, so you should have your 8 rep back. I don't see why they got downvoted, not how I would have answered them, but perfectly valid solutions." CreationDate="2018-11-09T01:58:31.350" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17129" PostId="5714" Score="0" Text="oops 'answers' not questions." CreationDate="2018-11-09T02:15:14.357" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17263" PostId="5714" Score="0" Text="@JimG. It almost assuredly will, the system (and the rules) don't approve of serial voting in either direction..." CreationDate="2018-11-19T17:45:18.657" UserId="42248" />
  <row Id="17130" PostId="5715" Score="1" Text="Opinion based is used even on questions which aren't opinion based I'm finding more and more, now that I'm noticing things like that. So if they're going to close regardless of whether the reason fits or not, they'll just choose something else." CreationDate="2018-11-09T04:28:56.470" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17139" PostId="5715" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi something I've mentioned in the past is that questions should only be closed if there are 5 close votes that agree on *the same reason*. I think it would help ensure there is some coherence is the close voting and cut out frivolous cases. I might raise it as a question/suggestion in Meta SE." CreationDate="2018-11-09T14:58:46.253" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="17140" PostId="5715" Score="1" Text="Not a bad idea at all, won't help the parrot voting since they just click the same thing, but better than nothing" CreationDate="2018-11-09T15:01:12.773" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17132" PostId="5716" Score="2" Text="_The triggering criteria for this bot isn't public, but is good at catching suspicious behaviour._ Is blatantly false. The serial voting script is designed to be _extremely conservative_ in reverting votes." CreationDate="2018-11-09T12:18:26.397" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="17141" PostId="5719" Score="1" Text="Perhaps a visual mirage, but I also see that the spacing between buttons is irregular... there seems to be more space as you move towards the icons on the right (i.e., the spacing between inbox and achievements seems shorter than the one of ? and the hamburger)" CreationDate="2018-11-09T15:23:49.100" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17173" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="It started as a question about sexual harrassment that allegedy took place in a stair case and, after multiple edits, ended up asking about religous harrasment that took place in a corridor. Most of the comments and answers were related to the first iteration. I didn't vote to close, but I can see the confusion." CreationDate="2018-11-11T18:04:42.910" UserId="26080" />
  <row Id="17186" PostId="5721" Score="0" Text="And it's already accumulating close votes again.... I wonder why.  No, actually, I don't" CreationDate="2018-11-12T20:35:23.450" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17145" PostId="5722" Score="3" Text="I agree. Voted to reopen." CreationDate="2018-11-09T22:45:13.907" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17174" PostId="5722" Score="1" Text="Agreed. Both questions are different." CreationDate="2018-11-11T19:31:48.157" UserId="59005" />
  <row Id="17146" PostId="5723" Score="3" Text="we all close questions that are no good, problem some people close good ones" CreationDate="2018-11-09T23:37:33.540" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17147" PostId="5723" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Maybe people sometimes close good questions, but other times people close questions that are not *yet* good, or questions that *could've* been good." CreationDate="2018-11-09T23:47:28.147" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17148" PostId="5723" Score="3" Text="or maybe not, or maybe aliens. The reality is that since I've started paying attention there are multiple closures of perfectly good questions every day, and we're not that big a site. This is directly evidenced by the reopens without even the need for edits... while yours is just conjecture, evidenced by zilch" CreationDate="2018-11-09T23:50:09.503" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17149" PostId="5723" Score="2" Text="I do not for one second believe the close voters are magically exercising better judgement than the rest of us, many of the close votes I see are absolutely ridiculous. Close votes on a discussion as unclear what you're asking. Duplicates for something that is so different as to be laughable. opinion based for things that are both common and can be answered with facts or basic logic. I firmly believe some of them are out of touch, do not attempt to understand the question and downvote for little or no reason at all." CreationDate="2018-11-10T00:09:09.173" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17150" PostId="5723" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi &quot;This is directly evidenced by the reopens without even the need for edits&quot; - just because 5 people agree that a question should be reopened doesn't mean there's nothing that can or should be improved in the question. I wouldn't say it's &quot;better judgement&quot;, but they are clearly seeing the question from a different perspective than you are (otherwise they wouldn't vote to close it), so the question is whether you've *understood* their perspective, but disagree, or whether you dismiss it because your perspective is the &quot;correct&quot; one." CreationDate="2018-11-10T00:23:33.803" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17152" PostId="5723" Score="1" Text="You for some reason are assuming they're doing it in good faith. I'm not. I've had a close look and cannot see that at all. Does a troll do stuff in good faith? It's just their version of trolling. My best and kindest interpretation is that they do it through lack of knowledge of the subject and faulty understanding of English, although I'm sure they've rationalised it into a good thing in their own heads. In either case they're bad for the site." CreationDate="2018-11-10T04:12:13.030" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17182" PostId="5723" Score="0" Text="I don't think the situation should be framed as &quot;long-term vs short-term.&quot; If you are truly focused on the long-term value of a site like this, the aggressiveness in grooming of content should still be tempered by the desire to avoid stifling future participation." CreationDate="2018-11-12T17:37:28.203" UserId="40409" />
  <row Id="17184" PostId="5723" Score="0" Text="@S.Grey At least in terms of motivation, that's what it's about. The motivation behind closing stuff is generally to improve the site in the long term. That's not to say closing *everything* would be good for the site, or even that closing *anything* ends up doing the site any good, but that doesn't change the motivation. As for the short-term, many people do seem to heavily focus on helping the OP instead of trying to write reference-worthy answers (even if they also sometimes write answers that end up being reference-worthy)." CreationDate="2018-11-12T19:53:01.177" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17153" PostId="5724" Score="2" Text="[Please don't ask for status-completed on requests to reopen (or close) questions](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4423)" CreationDate="2018-11-10T19:19:36.970" UserDisplayName="user32293" />
  <row Id="17154" PostId="5724" Score="3" Text="I do find the presence of a bunch of &quot;(Done) Reopen&quot; in &quot;Hot Meta Posts&quot; distracting. Tagging them [support] instead of  [discussion] would avoid that." CreationDate="2018-11-10T19:21:05.783" UserDisplayName="user32293" />
  <row Id="17155" PostId="5724" Score="1" Text="Well, ok, but perhaps an accepted answer of &quot;this was done on x date&quot; would be better. It would show as a resolved thing in the list of questions. That's mentioned in the linked question." CreationDate="2018-11-10T19:21:41.067" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="17156" PostId="5724" Score="1" Text="I like the (Done) it shows me if I need to look at it or not. We don't have a huge amount of things to browse through on meta, but we do have some specific ones that it's good to see at a quick glance rather than open them to find out." CreationDate="2018-11-10T21:08:03.547" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17157" PostId="5724" Score="3" Text="I thought that [status-completed] can only be added by mods? Also, I think the *Real Problem™* here is that it's needed to make so many &quot;please reopen ...&quot; posts on meta here :-/" CreationDate="2018-11-10T22:22:11.933" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="17158" PostId="5724" Score="1" Text="@MartinTournoij you're correct. I still like the (Done) though, it's highlighting something of interest." CreationDate="2018-11-10T22:24:52.890" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17162" PostId="5724" Score="0" Text="On reflection this is actually a pretty good question as it gives the opportunity to see viewpoints on a very visible matter." CreationDate="2018-11-11T03:05:20.413" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17176" PostId="5724" Score="1" Text="OK, I have done as suggested and removed the 'Done' from my last 4 reopen posts and substituted with an accepted answer." CreationDate="2018-11-12T07:47:08.367" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17181" PostId="5724" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Is adding a &quot;(REOPENED)&quot; prefix once a reopen request is completed a good practice?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4970/is-adding-a-reopened-prefix-once-a-reopen-request-is-completed-a-good-practi)" CreationDate="2018-11-12T17:17:35.593" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17187" PostId="5724" Score="1" Text="I don't think I understand the problem. How does it clutter old Meta titles? Why is it distracting?" CreationDate="2018-11-12T21:58:37.937" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17188" PostId="5724" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [(REOPENED) Incorrect duplicate &quot;How to quit right after an apprenticeship&quot;](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4814/reopened-incorrect-duplicate-how-to-quit-right-after-an-apprenticeship)" CreationDate="2018-11-13T01:38:25.507" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="17191" PostId="5724" Score="1" Text="@JimG. are you sure that is the question you wanted to link? That one is a reopen-request, when this one is not asking for such... perhaps you wanted to link another post instead?" CreationDate="2018-11-13T16:07:36.360" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17164" PostId="5725" Score="1" Text="In fairness to you I have tried the experiment by answering [my own question](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5722/this-isnt-a-duplicate), once it has all the reopen votes, I'll accept my own answer rather than put (Done). Perhaps you could even take a few seconds to judge if it's a duplicate and cast a reopen vote, or give reasons why it is a duplicate." CreationDate="2018-11-11T05:37:16.910" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17167" PostId="5726" Score="0" Text="if the OP is the one who adds the answer, it doesn't need two people. I see your point that anyone can add the (done) but I don't like the effect when half the titles look like that." CreationDate="2018-11-11T10:38:15.483" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="17168" PostId="5726" Score="0" Text="@KateGregory I agree with you, but for instance if it was me, I'm other side of the World from most people here, it could be 6 - 8 or more hours before I realised something was reopened. By the same token I could do the last vote and the OP may not know for several hours. So in my opinion, it's a toss up between 'looks' and efficiency. I don't feel that strongly either way, but I know it's a bit off putting if you go to vote to open, and it's already been done." CreationDate="2018-11-11T11:10:21.030" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17177" PostId="5726" Score="0" Text="@KateGregory I see where you're coming from but I'm of the same opinion as Kilisi that this is the best way of tracking these questions out of an admittedly poor set of options. Acceptance just isn't that visible for meta to me and given that these questions are by nature very temporal I don't see done tags as overly problematic. Meta is never going to win a beauty contest either way." CreationDate="2018-11-12T14:37:27.717" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17178" PostId="5726" Score="0" Text="I agree, I tried it out, and I think it makes it less visible as well. (Done) immediately tells us it was a reopen request and that it's finished with. Unsure if we get any badges or anything for accepted answers on meta, I guess that might make a difference as well. So far I have my first 4 accepted meta answers I think, all accepted by me. I'll go with whatever majority decide." CreationDate="2018-11-12T14:43:01.667" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17166" PostId="5727" Score="0" Text="Care to explain the downvote? It's a discussion, happy to hear any reasoning. Seems unlikely that adults would downvote purely on sour grapes, but that is the impression it gives." CreationDate="2018-11-11T06:37:34.287" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17169" PostId="5727" Score="2" Text="I didn't downvote, and I share your frustration that people aren't more forthcoming in explaining their motivations for closing questions (here and in general), and I also agree that this question isn't a duplicate (voted to reopen this morning), but I don't think that &quot;if you voted to close you must be stupid&quot; is especially constructive or helpful. So I can totally imagine someone downvoting (and even flagging) this for that reason." CreationDate="2018-11-11T12:07:44.763" UserId="8388" />
  <row Id="17172" PostId="5727" Score="0" Text="The only reason I put in an answer at all is because a mod said that's what we're supposed to do with reopen requests. It's in the linked question. Can't really put an answer in without addressing the question." CreationDate="2018-11-11T15:36:30.953" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17185" PostId="5727" Score="2" Text="same people who close-vote without comment :/" CreationDate="2018-11-12T20:34:30.070" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17189" PostId="5727" Score="0" Text="@RichardU probably... I thought you retired again mate, good to see you back." CreationDate="2018-11-13T12:55:32.480" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17190" PostId="5727" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi  Semi-retired.  I won't be around much, but I will be around." CreationDate="2018-11-13T13:43:52.217" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17183" PostId="5731" Score="0" Text="that's a valid point, thanks" CreationDate="2018-11-12T17:41:41.910" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="17192" PostId="5732" Score="0" Text="1 more vote required" CreationDate="2018-11-14T15:29:12.913" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17194" PostId="5732" Score="0" Text="'Does my manager have the right' still sounds like it belongs on law.se..." CreationDate="2018-11-14T16:04:45.123" UserId="53669" />
  <row Id="17195" PostId="5732" Score="0" Text="It's a great question up to the last part, which asks about rights (with no locale, either) rather than asking how to address the problem with management/corporate." CreationDate="2018-11-14T16:26:40.130" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17199" PostId="5732" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Disabilitty rights from that perspective are easily answerable fairly universally, regardless of location.  Even in areas with the highest standards don't leave it in the hands of the person with a disability to determine what the accommodation is, only that a reasonable accommodation be provided.  There is no way for that person to bring it to management or corporate without the end result being that he's out the door." CreationDate="2018-11-14T16:52:09.120" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17193" PostId="5733" Score="3" Text="This is not something we can deal with at MetaWorkplace.  Try [MetaSE](https://meta.stackexchange.com/).  This is core SE functionality so not something we can customize just for us." CreationDate="2018-11-14T15:40:04.053" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="17196" PostId="5733" Score="1" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings SE have declared that requests for changes via MetaSE will be ignored for the time being so not sure that's a worthwhile avenue for the OP." CreationDate="2018-11-14T16:31:58.413" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17201" PostId="5733" Score="5" Text="&quot;A handful of regular users who decide every other question should be closed surely shouldn't have more power than hundreds of other users who decide the questions are fine, and should remain open - yet this is the situation we're in at present.&quot; - right now the best you can do is wait for the &quot;regular users&quot; to put the question on hold, then come back here and ask that it be reopened. I'll happily vote to reopen every question that shouldn't have been closed in the first place. Perhaps others will as well. I know it's silly but there's no alternative now." CreationDate="2018-11-14T17:40:18.793" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17202" PostId="5733" Score="1" Text="I'm in the same boat as Joe, I try to reopen everything that's been closed for essentially no reason" CreationDate="2018-11-14T17:46:17.003" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17204" PostId="5733" Score="2" Text="Too bad that the closing halts the natural process and growth of posts, dumps them from HNQ (if they were), reduces the interest of readers, prevents users from answering good suggestions, etc..." CreationDate="2018-11-14T20:53:47.570" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17213" PostId="5733" Score="2" Text="We are spending weeks, if not months, complaining about &quot;a handful of regular users who decide every other question should be closed&quot;, with different variations of the same issues. However, naming these users is not allowed because... it's a bad thing? And collecting data to verify the distribution of close votes is a no-go because... no moderator can be bothered, even if there are tools to do so? Where is the punchline?" CreationDate="2018-11-15T00:34:04.237" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="17214" PostId="5733" Score="0" Text="@Monoandale - IMHO, it would be best to stop trying to &quot;out&quot; folks. It would be better to stop complaining. It would be best to start voting." CreationDate="2018-11-15T00:38:55.130" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17215" PostId="5733" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere can we vote on testing the validity of the recent flood of similar complaints with a quantitative review?" CreationDate="2018-11-15T00:40:32.057" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="17216" PostId="5733" Score="0" Text="@Monoandale - I don't know what that  means. Vote on a review?" CreationDate="2018-11-15T00:43:33.127" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17217" PostId="5733" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere get the VTC data out in the open, and verify if there is any user who is significantly, disproportionately involved in VTC activity as a fraction of her/his overall activity. There must be a way." CreationDate="2018-11-15T00:46:52.780" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="17218" PostId="5733" Score="1" Text="@Monoandale - there's no value in that, in my opinion. Just vote to reopen questions that should be reopened." CreationDate="2018-11-15T00:56:01.927" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17219" PostId="5733" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I appreciate it." CreationDate="2018-11-15T00:59:40.447" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="17220" PostId="5733" Score="1" Text="@Monoandale I see value in it, at the very least there will be data rather than guesswork, I don't have a problem with people being named, I have come under attack more than once without crying about it. It's a good thing, it gives me a chance to respond and clear the air. On some occasions I have even done a 180 based on negative feedback." CreationDate="2018-11-15T03:32:33.450" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17221" PostId="5733" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I do the same as you - but it's a massive problem, and that can't be the long term solution. It drives new users away from the site, makes the community look plain hostile to newcomers, and more than once I've had an answer I've typed wasted because the question has gone passed the tipping point of close votes before I could hit the &quot;post&quot; button. In the wake of the &quot;welcome wagon&quot; stuff, I'd have hoped solving this problem would be more of a priority." CreationDate="2018-11-15T09:14:36.130" UserId="57339" />
  <row Id="17222" PostId="5733" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere By the time I got to it, it was already protected." CreationDate="2018-11-15T10:56:42.543" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17223" PostId="5733" Score="0" Text="@berry120 - my hope is that folks who rapidly vote to close questions that should remain open will become discouraged when the question is rapidly reopened - and rethink their actions." CreationDate="2018-11-15T13:08:45.420" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17224" PostId="5733" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi - it's not hard for anyone to note who has voted to close a question. I'm sure you already know the usernames. There's no need for a special review/query, or public shaming, IMHO." CreationDate="2018-11-15T13:10:56.550" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17225" PostId="5733" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I hoped for that too. Sadly though, this has been going on long enough that it seems like they're not particularly discouraged (if anything the opposite, it seems to have turned into something akin to a weird game.)" CreationDate="2018-11-15T13:28:54.820" UserId="57339" />
  <row Id="17230" PostId="5733" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere There is a frequent VTCer that I suspect uses some sort of automated tool based on the speed and frequency with which they find &quot;duplicates&quot;.  I doubt this person cares if the stuff they voted on gets reopened because I sincerely doubt they read the question to begin with." CreationDate="2018-11-15T18:00:07.073" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="17231" PostId="5733" Score="0" Text="@Myles - there's no need for a tool if your goal is to find &quot;duplicates&quot; quickly. You just have to want to vote to close often." CreationDate="2018-11-15T18:14:59.057" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17232" PostId="5733" Score="2" Text="Instead of whining about the questions being closed why not try to open up the official scope of the site.  Then the close votes wont need to pile up on the type of questions you want to ask." CreationDate="2018-11-15T18:20:26.373" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="17233" PostId="5733" Score="2" Text="@IDrinkandIKnowThings I think the questions being closed are *already* within the official scope of this site." CreationDate="2018-11-15T18:54:45.347" UserId="57339" />
  <row Id="17236" PostId="5733" Score="0" Text="@Monoandale Public shaming will probably do little more than make everyone angry at everyone else, and people will take action based on who users are rather than the content. You also seem to be implying that these users are intentionally closing things they know aren't *actually* off-topic, where-as they almost certainly believe their votes are justified. To get people to stop incorrectly closing questions, it seems much more productive to **discuss patterns in the questions themselves** (which no-one has yet done AFAIK), and why/whether that's on topic, rather than singling out close voters." CreationDate="2018-11-16T12:21:39.520" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17237" PostId="5733" Score="0" Text="If, after such a discussion, a single user keeps close or reopen voting in a way that goes against the **consensus** we reached, you can @ them and link them to the discussion. If that doesn't work, it might be best to just leave them be - there's a reason it takes 5 votes to close a question." CreationDate="2018-11-16T12:36:37.830" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17238" PostId="5733" Score="0" Text="(I mean patterns appearing in questions, not having the discussion take place in questions)" CreationDate="2018-11-16T13:22:39.217" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17207" PostId="5734" Score="1" Text="just use it I reckon, I took all mine out and it just made it confusing, so I put them all back in" CreationDate="2018-11-14T23:45:42.973" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17235" PostId="5734" Score="0" Text="The (Done) procedure is still &quot;in place&quot;. Also, accepting an answer along the (Done) is also ok" CreationDate="2018-11-15T23:10:03.853" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17203" PostId="5735" Score="3" Text="I am amazed (or perhaps not) that such clearly answerable question was closed! Casted the second vote." CreationDate="2018-11-14T20:51:55.727" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17205" PostId="5735" Score="3" Text="@DarkCygnus - I am saddened, but no longer amazed." CreationDate="2018-11-14T21:49:08.540" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17206" PostId="5735" Score="3" Text="3rd cast, 2 to go" CreationDate="2018-11-14T23:44:28.077" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17227" PostId="5736" Score="1" Text="It's also not present on the Tour page. I think this is by design, not a bug. The Help and Tour pages are slightly special - not the main site, but also not quite Meta. It doesn't really make sense to have a bar for Questions and Tags when there *are* no questions associated with the Help page." CreationDate="2018-11-15T15:44:33.287" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17385" PostId="5736" Score="1" Text="As David says, this is by design. There are a few pages where we automatically collapse the left navigation into the hamburger in the upper left corner. This is one of them. :)" CreationDate="2018-11-30T19:35:35.560" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="17226" PostId="5737" Score="1" Text="I tried it and have the same issue. It only happens if you're logged in." CreationDate="2018-11-15T15:42:58.197" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17469" PostId="5737" Score="0" Text="This should be fixed. It was a network-wide issue so thanks for reporting it!" CreationDate="2018-12-12T23:39:19.383" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="17484" PostId="5737" Score="0" Text="This doesn't appear fixed to me, even after a hard refresh of the page. It does appear to be a site-wide issue, because it's displaying like that for me on other sites, also (again, only on IE 11.. it looks great in Chrome!)." CreationDate="2018-12-19T14:25:46.283" UserId="34168" />
  <row Id="17228" PostId="5738" Score="1" Text="luckily, it is protected now." CreationDate="2018-11-15T16:57:08.907" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17229" PostId="5738" Score="2" Text="Sadly, that won't prevent future closings :/" CreationDate="2018-11-15T17:02:27.613" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17239" PostId="5739" Score="1" Text="Perhaps you could include a screenshot of the post for those of us with less than 10K rep" CreationDate="2018-11-17T12:20:22.957" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17241" PostId="5739" Score="1" Text="@Richard too much for a screenshot, but here's a quote of the OP's comment halfway through" CreationDate="2018-11-17T15:52:28.927" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17242" PostId="5739" Score="1" Text="&quot;Wow I didn't expect to be bullied on my post  It's like being at work . I never said I had a problem with being evaluated by people under me. I would appreciate the feedback . My problem is not being allowed to read the evaluations . That's like being evaluated by your boss but not being allowed to see how they scored you . Considering I have been being bullied and harassed by this person for months.. it seems kind of odd that I'm not allowed to read the actual reviews done on me . So he is allowed to alter the reviews to make me look bad ?&quot;" CreationDate="2018-11-17T15:52:41.517" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17243" PostId="5739" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi What about the other comments? Presenting only the victim's POV can't be judged fairly without knowing the other side of the story..." CreationDate="2018-11-17T17:23:12.403" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="17244" PostId="5739" Score="1" Text="@AndrewT. whats the point? If a new user feels bullied, then they feel bullied... the details are unimportant.It's not a court case or an argument. Either they felt welcomed or they didn't." CreationDate="2018-11-17T19:07:24.733" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17245" PostId="5739" Score="0" Text="Besides, putting screenshots etc. would be against (bypass) the intended 10k rep limit to see certain content and posts (it's there for some reason, so only few users can see to avoid more drama). Not sure if posting it completely would be acceptable @AndrewT." CreationDate="2018-11-17T19:21:43.687" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17247" PostId="5739" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi well, that's the problem since the welcoming blog post, that anyone can perceived to be bullied and feeling unwelcomed whatever the case." CreationDate="2018-11-17T19:28:57.837" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="17248" PostId="5739" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus not really, you can anonymize the users to prevent the drama. For this case, allowing only 10k+ users to know the specific issue doesn't look inclusive enough for me..." CreationDate="2018-11-17T19:32:13.473" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="17249" PostId="5739" Score="1" Text="@AndrewT. it's a personal thing I guess, if it was my first time here and people were doubting my question to my face I'd probably just go elsewhere as well. Having said that, I'm probably not particularly welcoming myself, I don't make much/any effort to be PC, but I do take questions at face value in the main unless it's an obvious troll." CreationDate="2018-11-17T19:37:08.967" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17250" PostId="5739" Score="4" Text="@DarkCygnus it's ok to share screenshots of deleted posts if you feel it's helpful.  The guidance I've seen is that if (some) regular users can see it, it can be shared -- screenshots of deleted posts get posted from time to time." CreationDate="2018-11-18T03:03:46.853" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17254" PostId="5739" Score="0" Text="People can vote to undelete..." CreationDate="2018-11-18T21:56:51.910" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="17256" PostId="5739" Score="1" Text="@enderland That doesn't change the fact that the user felt so frustrated that he deleted it in the first place." CreationDate="2018-11-18T23:36:31.793" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17257" PostId="5739" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Where are the &quot;repeated calls to do a simple edit&quot;? I see one comment asking for paragraphs, and that's it." CreationDate="2018-11-19T13:51:19.587" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17258" PostId="5739" Score="0" Text="@DavidK must have gotten deleted before he deleted his post." CreationDate="2018-11-19T14:55:03.533" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17259" PostId="5739" Score="0" Text="Well if there are lots of deleted comments that only mods can see, then it's really hard for us to judge the situation. IMO the comments that are currently visible aren't really that bad." CreationDate="2018-11-19T15:02:28.497" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17260" PostId="5739" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Well, the overall point is that we're chasing people off." CreationDate="2018-11-19T16:51:37.317" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17261" PostId="5739" Score="0" Text="@RichardU And my point is that, for this particular user, we didn't do anything to chase them off. The OP asked a question, and when people rightfully asked for more details and suggested it's possible the OP has some things wrong, the OP then deleted the question and ran away. IMO some of the comments were tough, but none of them came close to being rude. If someone won't even consider that they might be wrong, then there's nothing we can do to help them." CreationDate="2018-11-19T17:16:41.457" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17267" PostId="5739" Score="3" Text="@DavidK there are no deleted comments on the question." CreationDate="2018-11-19T20:31:11.097" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17268" PostId="5739" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio really?  I coulda swore... my bad" CreationDate="2018-11-19T20:34:55.950" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17253" PostId="5742" Score="2" Text="You can always ask. Worst case, it gets put on hold, in which case you may be able to edit it into shape. In the best case, you get useful answers. FWIW, this seems completely on-topic to me." CreationDate="2018-11-18T16:59:31.490" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17273" PostId="5744" Score="0" Text="Really folks?  this is meta, the down-voters could at least comment here." CreationDate="2018-11-20T17:09:07.343" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17348" PostId="5744" Score="0" Text="Not the downvoter but for necromancy maybe?" CreationDate="2018-11-28T01:47:40.283" UserId="91309" />
  <row Id="17269" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="I oftenly forget that there's a chat on every SE websites." CreationDate="2018-11-20T14:40:51.940" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="17270" PostId="5746" Score="3" Text="You'll likely get more eyes on your feedback question in Meta than in Chat." CreationDate="2018-11-20T14:41:24.123" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17271" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere The question now has a positive vote rating. I don't know if it's relevant to open a question anymore... (though I still feel like a feedback could help)." CreationDate="2018-11-20T15:48:31.663" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="17272" PostId="5746" Score="2" Text="@Clockwork - you did the right thing by adding a comment asking for feedback. But most folks who downvote won't comment why." CreationDate="2018-11-20T15:54:56.103" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17279" PostId="5746" Score="4" Text="@JoeStrazzere I don't think a comment asking for an explanation of a downvote typically accomplishes that goal. On the contrary, it might discourage people from providing an explanation, and it might draw more downvotes. [Is it now discouraged to ask for reasons for downvotes as a comment?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/74559)" CreationDate="2018-11-20T21:37:54.427" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17280" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling - I suppose anything is possible.   IMHO, the simplest thing to do is just to ask." CreationDate="2018-11-20T21:43:12.870" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17281" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling What I find sad is how some people jump to conclusion or generalise a &quot;few&quot; cases into all &quot;newbies&quot; (mostly on Stackoverflow). On some occasions, I had the feeling a few veterans (or even moderators) were more worried about not being harassed than taking the risk (and possibly teaching a new guy what's right and wrong)." CreationDate="2018-11-21T08:10:37.203" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="17282" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="In fact has already happened quite a lot in meta, and question asking &quot;what I did wrong&quot; are generally well received (upvotes on the meta post) by the community." CreationDate="2018-11-21T08:16:27.970" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17283" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="@Clockwork In my experience, getting a positive response to a comment providing feedback is very, very unlikely (at least on [so] - it's better on [workplace.se]). I know there are people who will respond positively, but having to deal with all the other cases to get to them just makes it not worth it." CreationDate="2018-11-21T08:22:35.507" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17285" PostId="5746" Score="5" Text="@JoeStrazzere Speaking for myself, I tend to delete &quot;Why the downvote?&quot; comments on sight as noise. Asking &quot;how can I improve this?&quot; is a good comment but the others are hardly ever useful and very often indicate an OP who's unlikely to be receptive to constructive feedback. So like you said actually asking for feedback is always a good idea." CreationDate="2018-11-21T08:40:10.547" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17289" PostId="5746" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - well, you are a moderator so I guess you can delete comments for whatever reason you like." CreationDate="2018-11-21T12:18:43.777" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17291" PostId="5746" Score="0" Text="There was nothing wrong with your original question. Some people just downvote for no rational reason whatsoever. Don't worry about it. Points aren't real. You got some thoughtful responses and THAT is what is important." CreationDate="2018-11-21T18:26:14.890" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="17274" PostId="5747" Score="7" Text="Yes, no, I don't care" CreationDate="2018-11-20T21:03:57.220" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17276" PostId="5747" Score="2" Text="We have far too many tags to be useful. Dump it." CreationDate="2018-11-20T21:25:09.377" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17277" PostId="5747" Score="5" Text="@RichardU - I see what you did there... and I liked it!" CreationDate="2018-11-20T21:26:10.650" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17288" PostId="5747" Score="1" Text="Send it to trogdor." CreationDate="2018-11-21T11:27:52.773" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17292" PostId="5750" Score="0" Text="how did this get closed? Once it was open for near 24H I thought it was in the clear!" CreationDate="2018-11-21T18:37:15.827" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17293" PostId="5750" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus The usual suspects, who we are not allowed to name, did it.&#xA;&#xA;That's nothing, I had once put out a bounty that was reversed and I was accused of blocking close votes for my trouble." CreationDate="2018-11-21T18:48:20.247" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17295" PostId="5753" Score="1" Text="ALL HAIL TROGDOR" CreationDate="2018-11-22T18:40:40.780" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17296" PostId="5754" Score="0" Text="There has been a lot of posts about changing HNQ (both in the last years an recently [as you know]). I think it would be better to link and reference to the proposed modifications in order to let the community decide what is better" CreationDate="2018-11-23T21:23:49.463" UserId="19366" />
  <row Id="17297" PostId="5754" Score="3" Text="I did - the link is in the first paragraph. If you had something different in mind, please add. Thanks." CreationDate="2018-11-23T21:44:21.957" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17300" PostId="5754" Score="6" Text="Are we a &quot;community&quot;? Or just a place where people occasionally drop in if they see an interesting HNQ? I'm sure someone has the statistics." CreationDate="2018-11-23T23:54:32.453" UserId="17716" />
  <row Id="17310" PostId="5754" Score="2" Text="Once we start trying to force peoples voting habits then I think we're getting swelled heads, which I have noticed with some people. People should be allowed to vote how they want and given every opportunity to do so except for a tiny minority of abusers, it's their site. HNQ is not even a problem to TWP, lets not make it one. And lets not make an embarrassing to everyone involved twitter-whatever-you-want-to-call-it that had nothing to do with TWP even become an issue to TWP. I don't give a crap about it and I would think very few people do." CreationDate="2018-11-25T15:15:25.630" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17311" PostId="5754" Score="3" Text="If HNQ = entertainment sometimes... so what? But thats just a false dilemna anyway, current HNQ for us is https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/123237/dealing-with-a-team-member-who-ignores-company-structure which looks fine to me." CreationDate="2018-11-25T15:21:35.343" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17353" PostId="5754" Score="1" Text="**Great idea** !" CreationDate="2018-11-29T12:36:36.783" UserId="22844" />
  <row Id="17405" PostId="5754" Score="1" Text="Another way of handling this matter would be (another) queue for that. When the bot handling this detect a possible hot question it wants to share with the network, it  put the question in a queue and there the community have ... let's said 24h only (it has still to be &quot;hot&quot; after all) to eventually block the question from going into the HNQ list as the question might be considered as not representative of the site. Also delaying the publication of a question by 24h is a good way to fix some problems before it goes live. At least that make a fair compromise between SE and the community." CreationDate="2018-12-03T09:43:29.733" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17406" PostId="5754" Score="4" Text="FWIW I understand some problems of the HNQ being a high rep user over on SFF where vote exaggeration (TM) is a big problem once something hits the HNQ. However, the vote problem is usually only very localised to that specific post and the extra views it draws in to the site as a whole is more beneficial than a &quot;few&quot; extra votes here and there. Whilst I am mainly a drive by HNQ user here I haven't seen anything overly problematic that you would need to opt out though of course I only see a narrow window of the site." CreationDate="2018-12-03T10:00:42.010" UserId="38688" />
  <row Id="17408" PostId="5754" Score="1" Text="@TheLethalCompany Our problems are less about extra votes and more about the extra discussion. The Workplace tends to have more subjective questions, so everyone wants to add their own two cents, even if it's been said 20 times already. Throw in the fact that a lot of HNQs have controversial topics, and you get a lot of heated exchanges and personal attacks in the comments." CreationDate="2018-12-03T17:41:57.813" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17429" PostId="5754" Score="1" Text="The meta post linked by Monica says that the HNQ problem is merely one of &quot;scale&quot; (see the &quot;what's broken&quot; section). Looking at the language here, it appears folks have wildly different and very incoherent ideas about what the problem actually is. But the thing is, stackexchange is a media product like many others. One *can't* rely on automated tallies of &quot;hotness&quot; to decide what deserves promition. Doing so is a recipe for clickbait. As much as it tickles me to see SE purists get bent out of shape, HNQ definitely needs some curation and that may mean different things to different sites." CreationDate="2018-12-04T11:06:52.487" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="17298" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="By submitting adds do you mean the [Community Adds](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5032/73791) that one includes as an answer on the meta post, and if it reaches X UV it gets displayed? Which site(s) do you think would be worth &quot;promoting&quot; us in?" CreationDate="2018-11-23T22:37:23.613" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17304" PostId="5755" Score="5" Text="@DarkCygnus I mean the community ads, yes.  If we wanted to advertise on other sites I think we could make decent proposals for many of the professional sites -- Software Engineering et al but also non-software sites like Electrical Engineering, Home Improvement (aim for professional contractors), Motor Vehicles (mechanics), Personal Finance, Freelancing, Project Management, Writing (if they ever let it shake the beta mislabel)... somebody would have to design and make the ads, though." CreationDate="2018-11-24T23:26:47.673" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17322" PostId="5755" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio This sounds like a discussion for a new Meta post, but I think we could probably come up with a generic one-site-fits-all ad that could be proposed on a large number of the other sites. We wouldn't necessarily have to specify which ones; if a user thinks it would be worthwhile on a site they can propose it there themselves." CreationDate="2018-11-26T13:19:05.797" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17327" PostId="5755" Score="0" Text="@DavidK I encourage anybody who's interested to kick off that discussion.  Let's see what people think about intentional advertising on other sites -- where (or whether) we should, what we want to convey in ads, design ideas, etc." CreationDate="2018-11-26T16:21:45.730" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17321" PostId="5756" Score="8" Text="Well, HNQ *is* broken, so we are trying to fix it." CreationDate="2018-11-26T13:15:26.543" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17333" PostId="5756" Score="20" Text="@DavidK it's not broken, a few individuals got caught up in something from another site and suddenly it's a broken big deal here... na... let them sort their own crap without involving us I reckon. I see no need for us all and TWP to be roped in to someones agenda. Potential issues, but no benefits for us. I've been quietly watching, these same people won't lift a finger on our behalf and we have more important unsolved issues to look at." CreationDate="2018-11-27T00:53:38.417" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17338" PostId="5756" Score="3" Text="You might think that HNQ is a problem, but many people disagree, and have since long before this latest incident. You can see all the questions tagged [meta-tag:hot-questions] here, and the discussion has been going on even longer at [the main Meta site](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/hot-questions). Many people here have wanted the HNQ to be changed for quite a while, but it's just that now is the first time we are actually given an option to do anything about it." CreationDate="2018-11-27T12:47:28.207" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17340" PostId="5756" Score="1" Text="Err, &quot;you might ***not*** think HNQ is a problem&quot;. Darn edit time-limit." CreationDate="2018-11-27T13:19:05.173" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17366" PostId="5756" Score="4" Text="@Kilisi Well said.  As usual." CreationDate="2018-11-29T18:19:09.350" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="17394" PostId="5756" Score="2" Text="I don't think HNQ is as much of a problem as it's sometimes made out to be, but passive-aggressive insults (in your reply comments) don't make for a very compelling argument." CreationDate="2018-12-01T10:45:24.983" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="17402" PostId="5756" Score="1" Text="It's a discussion. if we start dancing around the bush it's not a discussion, it's a disco. So I'll just speak my mind and leave the PC ballet to anyone who wants to pirouette around in a frilly tutu. I'm serene on the possibility of people going to all the trouble of upsetting themselves somehow." CreationDate="2018-12-02T04:44:20.370" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17460" PostId="5756" Score="1" Text="@DavidK Some small percentage of questions end up in HNQ. Some small percentage of that set of questions have titles that some tiny percentage of users may find offensive in some way. If that's your criteria for &quot;broken&quot;, we may as well just shut the whole SE network down." CreationDate="2018-12-11T12:15:38.477" UserId="57339" />
  <row Id="17463" PostId="5756" Score="0" Text="@berry120 This has nothing to do with the offensive titles - the recent twitter incident just finally caused SE to allow sites to do something about HNQ. The problem is about creating lots of low quality content. I don't want to rehash everything here, but you can see my arguments on [this other thread](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5779/how-many-of-us-arrived-here-via-hnq/5788#comment17435_5788)." CreationDate="2018-12-11T13:16:12.380" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17302" PostId="5757" Score="2" Text="The only ones that make it to HNQ are the salacious or controversial ones.  It doesn't help the site, and just ends up getting us swamped with 101 rep users who clog up the place with annoying comments." CreationDate="2018-11-24T04:17:47.887" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17303" PostId="5757" Score="14" Text="&quot;I never knew that was a possibility.&quot; -- it wasn't; communities that asked got told no.  Then somebody with a lot of twitter followers ranted about a couple questions, and in under an hour a site had been removed from HNQ across the network.  Surprise -- turns out they *can* do it!  And so people from other sites started asking too.  Since, in the wake of the tweetpocalypse, I imagine that smart, motivated users could otherwise plot to plant questions that would get sites booted, I'm hoping SE realized the wisdom of doing it the nice way instead. :-)" CreationDate="2018-11-24T23:21:23.983" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17305" PostId="5757" Score="1" Text="note about the aim of HNQ appears to be correct: last time I checked it was officially stated as [entertainment](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/220099/165773)" CreationDate="2018-11-25T09:09:59.713" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17306" PostId="5757" Score="3" Text="@gnat - okay. We should opt out of the entertainment goal." CreationDate="2018-11-25T12:07:31.187" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17307" PostId="5757" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - I don't follow twitstorms. I'm glad there is a possibility of doing things to shape the direction of The Workplace without resorting to silly resistance tactics." CreationDate="2018-11-25T12:09:55.157" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17299" PostId="5758" Score="1" Text="I agree. We should see how this works and after that decide on a more permanent call" CreationDate="2018-11-23T23:00:23.870" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17301" PostId="5758" Score="4" Text="How many *good* questions actually show up on the HNQ list? I'm not sure *goodness* is part of the criteria for selection." CreationDate="2018-11-24T00:23:47.250" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17308" PostId="5758" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere aren't they all good questions until proven otherwise via votes? My understanding is HNQ generates some traffic... also a good thing. Seems a bit paranoid to think that people will deliberately try and abuse it, and even if they do it's a minor issue compared to loss of traffic.... I could be wrong of course." CreationDate="2018-11-25T14:51:03.473" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17312" PostId="5758" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi - votes aren't the proper measure of goodness, IMHO. I see lots of stupid questions get lots of votes. I see some excellent questions that get few votes. And my goal here isn't to maximize traffic. I don't think I'm paranoid. But I guess by definition, that's for others to judge." CreationDate="2018-11-25T16:15:33.407" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17313" PostId="5758" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere you might be right, but votes are the only measure we have. Traffic isn't my goal either, but it's essential for the site." CreationDate="2018-11-25T16:35:19.947" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17314" PostId="5758" Score="2" Text="Regardless of when we do it, we should look at year-over-year stats, not just the immediate before and after.  All SE sites have fluctuations throughout the year." CreationDate="2018-11-25T16:42:42.003" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17315" PostId="5758" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi - one should construct their measures based on their goals. Not the other way around. Just because it happens to be easy to measure votes, that doesn't mean it has any value if &quot;goodness&quot; is your goal." CreationDate="2018-11-26T01:20:17.540" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17319" PostId="5758" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I've never been one to follow others agenda blindly. I'm just about helping people, no traffic, no people to help. Don't really care about site vision except where it coincides with mine. Those that do seem to go off the rails over it." CreationDate="2018-11-26T02:03:50.690" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17320" PostId="5758" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi - I think we agree on most points. I'm guessing we'll still have traffic without any HNQ. But that's what a good experiment will confirm or deny." CreationDate="2018-11-26T12:25:49.570" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17324" PostId="5758" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere FWIW, IPS lost a good 60% of it's traffic since then. Relatively minor changes in # of questions asked, major dip in answers, no change in downvotes, major dip in upvotes, 66,67% of all questions asked in the past 30 days closed." CreationDate="2018-11-26T13:46:14.850" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="17325" PostId="5758" Score="0" Text="@Magisch - sounds good to me (except for the Closed part)" CreationDate="2018-11-26T13:48:40.140" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17326" PostId="5758" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere that's compared to about half from before then, but that number is likely skewed by the organized cleanup effort of old questions and answers that has been going on since then." CreationDate="2018-11-26T13:54:16.213" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="17330" PostId="5758" Score="0" Text="@Magisch this number looks skewed by some historic cleanup indeed: when I studied hundred of their recent questions [mentioned in my answer here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5759/168) close rate looked noticeably lower, like 30-35%" CreationDate="2018-11-26T16:28:50.290" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17352" PostId="5758" Score="0" Text="When does the holiday period end? 7th of January?" CreationDate="2018-11-29T10:43:15.183" UserId="66743" />
  <row Id="17446" PostId="5758" Score="0" Text="@PeterTaylor: *When does the holiday period end?* -&gt; within 6/8 weeks." CreationDate="2018-12-07T07:44:19.633" UserId="71600" />
  <row Id="17316" PostId="5760" Score="1" Text="Thanks for sharing!  We do want new people to join us.  We also want to avoid repelling people with provocative-sounding questions that hit that list.  It's hard to know how much this happens, but people complain so I proposed the experiment." CreationDate="2018-11-26T01:23:42.457" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17317" PostId="5760" Score="3" Text="My own experience is that I see these questions and think &quot;that's a good question&quot; -- though maybe I'm just seeing less controversial questions." CreationDate="2018-11-26T01:26:43.180" UserId="94767" />
  <row Id="17318" PostId="5760" Score="1" Text="I'm glad to hear that!  We do try to address the wilder ones when we find out they're on the list (ideally by editing the titles to be more informative and less sensational), but we don't find out in advance and have no way to directly control it, so it's kind of hit or miss." CreationDate="2018-11-26T01:33:33.983" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17331" PostId="5760" Score="2" Text="I, too, came here via HNQ so I'm probably biased - I get the downside but I also see the upside in terms of attracting new members." CreationDate="2018-11-26T19:05:07.160" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17447" PostId="5760" Score="2" Text="I probably would also have never found TWP, if not for seeing it in HNQ." CreationDate="2018-12-07T17:59:29.750" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="17323" PostId="5761" Score="0" Text="We're far better at patrolling titles.  I seem to recall warning against the titles elsewhere and was pooh poohed and told I was making a big deal of nothing.  Now, I no longer issue warnings about anything.  I just pop some popcorn" CreationDate="2018-11-26T13:40:26.017" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17328" PostId="5762" Score="1" Text="If we decide to proceed, I (or someone else who beats me to it) will ask a separate question about what exactly we want to measure.  Evaluation criteria should precede the experiment." CreationDate="2018-11-26T16:23:08.380" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17329" PostId="5762" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio i'd be cool with that" CreationDate="2018-11-26T16:26:48.993" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17334" PostId="5762" Score="0" Text="Please propose things we should measure (before and after) in answers to [this question](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5765/325)." CreationDate="2018-11-27T03:40:43.470" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17448" PostId="5763" Score="1" Text="Were you ever a 101 rep user?" CreationDate="2018-12-08T16:11:53.363" UserId="34584" />
  <row Id="17449" PostId="5763" Score="3" Text="Well, that proves my point" CreationDate="2018-12-08T17:30:22.923" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17335" PostId="5765" Score="0" Text="In the original proposal you wrote &quot;Specifically, questions -- usually sensationalist or controversial questions, because that's what HNQ optimizes for -- get onto the list that's shown in the right sidebar all across the network, attracting vastly disproportionate voting and lots of comments. We also get more than a few provocative questions here that seem designed to try to get onto that list.&quot; Thus, if there are queries which could record a before and after of those, that could generate appropriate measures. Seems unlikely." CreationDate="2018-11-27T12:35:47.293" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17336" PostId="5765" Score="3" Text="Frankly, I prefer a &quot;gut feel&quot; approach. A Meta poll asking &quot;is it better now?&quot; would be my preference." CreationDate="2018-11-27T12:36:36.693" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17337" PostId="5765" Score="0" Text="this post at IPS meta looks relevant: [On the HNQ and its effects on the site stats](https://interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3380). Also I would support &quot;gut feel&quot; evaluation proposed by @JoeStrazzere - I think it is a must to have it as a part of evaluation (maybe even main part of it)" CreationDate="2018-11-27T12:46:17.400" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17339" PostId="5765" Score="5" Text="Is there a way to determine which questions would have ended up on HNQ if we wouldn't have opted out? That way we could look at statistics for HNQ-questions specifically." CreationDate="2018-11-27T13:02:42.443" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17343" PostId="5765" Score="1" Text="I don't think it can be emphasized enough that the **most important** part of your question is the last paragraph. It's impossible to discuss metrics without trying to understand what you're measuring. And, based on scanning the responses to the question you referenced, there are a lot of people with very different ideas about this. If we can't agree as a &quot;community&quot; as to what our goals are, I don't think we're going to be able to agree how to measure them." CreationDate="2018-11-27T16:57:49.017" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17344" PostId="5765" Score="1" Text="@DavidK we can't even reliably find out which questions are on the hot list -- there's no way to ask &quot;has this question ever been hot?&quot; or get a list of all such questions.  So I don't know if we can figure out which ones would have been, but we can ask if there's some way to run the calculation but not add the questions to the list (and just tell us instead)." CreationDate="2018-11-27T17:12:45.550" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17345" PostId="5765" Score="0" Text="Monica, wrt list of past hot questions, it is possibly to get it now thanks to community efforts in project [HNQ Scraper](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/315017/165773). As for determining which questions would get to it the closest thing is [this user script](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/284933/165773) but it's not quite there because it only shows current hotness score and can't tell what it was in the past (that also seems to be doable technically but more complicated)" CreationDate="2018-11-27T17:52:48.350" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17341" PostId="5766" Score="3" Text="Could be also interesting to see how much of those new accounts created actually stay and become more active members, versus how much of those are only 101's looking for some &quot;entertainment&quot;... only wish I knew how that could be quantified." CreationDate="2018-11-27T15:49:26.223" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17342" PostId="5766" Score="0" Text="I would like to see stats for before and after" CreationDate="2018-11-27T16:11:20.487" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17351" PostId="5766" Score="0" Text="You can also look at the percentages of positive / negative / zero scoring questions and answers (although many of the negative-scoring ones presumably end up closed or deleted). And just total number of questions, answers and comments (not just for new users)." CreationDate="2018-11-28T19:26:08.207" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17349" PostId="5767" Score="3" Text="Great descriptions, thanks! I would say that for the first two (traffic and unique visitors), we can expect that those numbers will go down when we get rid of HNQ, since the whole point of HNQ is to attract people who wouldn't otherwise be here. I think the question will be how far those numbers drop and whether they drop to a point that is harmful to the site." CreationDate="2018-11-28T13:02:49.427" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17350" PostId="5767" Score="0" Text="yup, as long as the changes are &quot;significant&quot; or &quot;considerable&quot; that would mean something. For that we will have to wait for the stats to make some analysis :)" CreationDate="2018-11-28T16:30:29.657" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17359" PostId="5770" Score="1" Text="3rd vote has been cast" CreationDate="2018-11-29T14:09:42.527" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17365" PostId="5770" Score="0" Text="I agree that the question was and is on-topic. I voted to reopen." CreationDate="2018-11-29T16:11:13.387" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17373" PostId="5771" Score="0" Text="Confirmed after waiting another day, thanks. [Another example](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5590/delete-answers-not-visible-neither-is-their-delete-vote) of the tools page not being up to the usual SE standards ;-)" CreationDate="2018-11-30T09:34:59.150" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="17355" PostId="5772" Score="0" Text="Great question!" CreationDate="2018-11-29T13:30:46.363" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17364" PostId="5772" Score="1" Text="Within the context of The Workplace, there is no real difference between those two terms." CreationDate="2018-11-29T16:09:16.867" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17357" PostId="5773" Score="1" Text="I agree the difference is so subtle that it really would not change an answer. Based on the answer from ELL maybe make co-worker the primary as &quot;every co-worker is a colleague, but not every colleague is a co-worker&quot;. So make the broader one the primary. Then if someone knows the difference and it actually matters, they can use the more specific." CreationDate="2018-11-29T14:06:39.740" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17358" PostId="5773" Score="0" Text="@SaggingRufus By that logic, do you mean to make *colleague* the primary, since it is the broader term?" CreationDate="2018-11-29T14:09:10.770" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17360" PostId="5773" Score="0" Text="yep, I mixed that up." CreationDate="2018-11-29T14:15:48.560" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17382" PostId="5773" Score="3" Text="lol it was I who suggested that synonym request months ago :o) ... was starting to worry that I couldn't vote on it" CreationDate="2018-11-30T17:54:54.197" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17362" PostId="5774" Score="3" Text="cross-site duplicate: [Can there be legitimate serial downvoting?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/260843/839601)" CreationDate="2018-11-29T14:43:45.013" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17363" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="&quot;I'm wondering if I'll be triggering the automatic fraud detection when the scripts run tonight.&quot; - You will find out tomorrow. And then you can continue or change your approach depending on how the system treats you." CreationDate="2018-11-29T16:06:58.957" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17367" PostId="5774" Score="5" Text="we have a troll user?" CreationDate="2018-11-29T21:38:00.173" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17375" PostId="5774" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere Well, the automatic scripts didn't reverse any reputation. Though, now I've received a couple downvotes on my two highest-voted answers, I suspect in retaliation." CreationDate="2018-11-30T13:05:04.667" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17376" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="@DavidK Nobody knew who you voted." CreationDate="2018-11-30T14:46:49.190" UserId="64317" />
  <row Id="17377" PostId="5774" Score="4" Text="@SmallChess The only person who would know is the user I downvoted." CreationDate="2018-11-30T14:54:16.517" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17378" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="You say their answers have consistently negative scores; are they simply poorly written answers, or do you believe they are out to deliberately antagonise / mislead other users with them?" CreationDate="2018-11-30T16:08:59.393" UserDisplayName="user34587" />
  <row Id="17381" PostId="5774" Score="3" Text="@Kozaky I believe they are out to deliberately antagonize. I could believe ignorance from one or two of their answers, but not 50." CreationDate="2018-11-30T17:37:38.317" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17383" PostId="5774" Score="1" Text="@DavidK - it may just be an attempt at humor." CreationDate="2018-11-30T18:28:38.853" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17390" PostId="5774" Score="2" Text="I get consistently downvoted, it's not me is it? Don't think I've had any answers without downvotes" CreationDate="2018-11-30T22:57:27.887" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17398" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="@DavidK &quot;the automatic scripts didn't reverse any reputation&quot; - I wouldn't expect the serial voting reversal script to give the voter their reputation back, if that's what you're talking about. AFAIK, the script is designed to be invisible to serial voters." CreationDate="2018-12-01T17:52:02.743" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17457" PostId="5774" Score="4" Text="@Kilisi If those votes are not getting reversed it is the community down voting not a single serial down voter.  Your answers are often abrasive." CreationDate="2018-12-10T21:18:47.977" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="17467" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="@paparazzo well, that was ironic" CreationDate="2018-12-12T17:56:22.660" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17633" PostId="5774" Score="0" Text="Serial downvoting is rad as hell and very legal." CreationDate="2019-01-28T21:03:31.087" UserDisplayName="user90809" />
  <row Id="17372" PostId="5776" Score="4" Text="Arguably, the positive thing for the site is to get the user getting automatic post ban to stop them from posting more bad posts, though some comments suggesting the user to improve are always welcome." CreationDate="2018-11-30T09:30:09.953" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="17427" PostId="5776" Score="0" Text="I plotted such a thing once ever, when a really bad-actor had managed to steal a bounty and it looked like the moderators were powerless. But it turned out the community wasn't powerless even though the mods were. Ever see a -100?" CreationDate="2018-12-04T03:54:30.573" UserId="29374" />
  <row Id="17371" PostId="5778" Score="13" Text="The only statement I agree on this answer is &quot;stop serial voting&quot;. The rest... if most of their posts are indeed bad/low-quality, why should I upvote them instead? And you (as everyone else, even mods) don't deserve to judge other users if their voting is &quot;right&quot; (unless it's deliberately harmful, like serial up/downvoting)." CreationDate="2018-11-30T09:23:28.183" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="17450" PostId="5778" Score="4" Text="&quot;This site is open for public discussion, everybody has different opinion.&quot; The first is untrue and the latter irrelevant. This is a Q&amp;A site. Not a discussion forum." CreationDate="2018-12-10T06:52:29.067" UserId="26901" />
  <row Id="17379" PostId="5779" Score="2" Text="I am not quite comfortable about idea that (indiscriminately?) generating traffic and providing entertainment is of value because one can argue that this way we probably better start hosting porn at the site 'cause it generates traffic and entertains. Consider [edit]ing the post to clarify if this is not what you meant to state" CreationDate="2018-11-30T17:21:55.173" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17380" PostId="5779" Score="2" Text="That why we are going to run the test, to see to what extent HNQ helps or harms, and then decide." CreationDate="2018-11-30T17:25:51.760" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17384" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="DarkCygnus, I think the problem is, how do you define &quot;help&quot; or &quot;hurt?&quot; And how do you weigh them against each other?" CreationDate="2018-11-30T18:39:23.373" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17386" PostId="5779" Score="1" Text="@dwizum That's being discussed in [this meta thread](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5765/if-we-were-to-do-the-hnq-experiment-how-should-we-evaluate-the-results)." CreationDate="2018-11-30T19:49:34.633" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17387" PostId="5779" Score="2" Text="@DarkCygnus you're going to run the test, I thought it was still in debate, when did we decide to implement it?" CreationDate="2018-11-30T20:49:35.317" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17396" PostId="5779" Score="5" Text="Boggles the mind how anyone read my question and worked out it needs clarification or I'm advocating turning us into a porn site." CreationDate="2018-12-01T11:41:50.167" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17412" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Most likely it will be implemented, judging my the currently +22/-3 votes on [This Meta Post](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5754/73791)." CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:22:34.273" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17413" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus depends how they want to poll it, that would be clear bias since the two top answers clearly indicate HNQ has value. Nothing new about inane bias here though. I didn't even think to downvote the question as it's a valid topic for discussion, didn't realise it was a poll regardless of answers... I'll dv now" CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:24:56.013" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17414" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus out of interest, how did you first come to TWP? Were you looking for an answer on google to a work related issue you had?" CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:28:26.347" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17415" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi perhaps. To clarify, regarding my first comment I was in a way speculating on the apparent result. But my point was that, in order to know for sure if HNQ is helpful or not, we have to do some analysis and run some experiments. The points you mention (traffic etc) are precisely what should be analyzed here, but we have to find out that first in some way. Sorry if my first comment was confusing :)" CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:28:38.553" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17416" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus opting out of it isn't the way, that experiment is already being tried elsewhere, we can analyse their results in the fullness of time rather than reinvent the wheel ourselves." CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:29:57.000" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17417" PostId="5779" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi I came here because I had a [work-related question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/95725/73791). At that time I already had 4 years on SE, most exclusively on SO, so I actively decided to search if a suitable site existed... then I arrived here :D" CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:30:07.993" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17418" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus cool, thats the sort of info I'm trying to get in this question, might want to put it as an answer so I can upvote?" CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:31:26.023" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17419" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi if such results already exist, it would be valuable to analyze them. I am not sure if such data applies to every different site on SE... I suspect each site is different, and extrapolating results to other sites should not be taken lightly (thus why I think it's better to do a controlled test, specific for TWP context and nature, before actually cutting out HNQ or not)... sure thing, Ill add an answer :)" CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:32:36.443" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17420" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus I disagree, and see no need for testing. So we have both sides here. I came in as others did originally from HNQ, I've added some modest value to the place, and I'm not alone." CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:34:18.677" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17421" PostId="5779" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi well, then we agree that we disagree :) anyways, I share your concern about this whole topic, and hope to see a consensus/solution soon" CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:35:44.383" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17459" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="Please elucidate - what is HNQ?" CreationDate="2018-12-11T12:14:55.043" UserId="32713" />
  <row Id="17461" PostId="5779" Score="3" Text="@DarkCygnus https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5754/86962 says &quot;Please indicate your support or opposition through answers (and votes on answers)&quot;.  So you should be judging the results based on the answers, not the question votes.  Sorting answers by votes makes it clear that there is overwhelming support for continuing to be in HNQ" CreationDate="2018-12-11T13:05:07.490" UserId="86962" />
  <row Id="17462" PostId="5779" Score="0" Text="@KlaymenDK HNQ is the Hot Network Questions list on the right hand side of the StackExchange pages." CreationDate="2018-12-11T13:06:54.247" UserId="86962" />
  <row Id="17464" PostId="5779" Score="3" Text="Yeah, the results of the meta post was an overwhelming 'keep', if you look at the votes on the answers (as the post said was going to be done)." CreationDate="2018-12-11T19:28:59.890" UserId="7474" />
  <row Id="17497" PostId="5779" Score="1" Text="Way late to this discussion, but to clarify I think few people claim it has no value, more so that it may do more harm than good since it does break some of the typical checks and balances. Measuring actual impact seems important but indeed difficult to quantify. As for the very interesting question raised here: I actually arrived here via HNQ back in the day. Something I hadn't really considered before, which I probably should have since I've been a vocal critic of the HNQ." CreationDate="2018-12-24T00:28:42.960" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17389" PostId="5780" Score="1" Text="why would anyone downvote this?" CreationDate="2018-11-30T22:52:20.090" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17391" PostId="5780" Score="1" Text="You have 103 answers, 236000 people reached in just 8 months, enough badge jewelry to cover yourself head to foot, I'd say that's pretty valuable." CreationDate="2018-12-01T05:29:08.413" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17445" PostId="5780" Score="1" Text="Same here. Found interesting question in HNQ, then lurked for a year or so just reading, and eventually there was an unanswered question I knew something about so I decided to join." CreationDate="2018-12-06T22:34:08.203" UserId="79019" />
  <row Id="17400" PostId="5782" Score="0" Text="seconded......." CreationDate="2018-12-01T22:30:01.063" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17404" PostId="5784" Score="0" Text="Yes, I've noticed a slowing down on the closures, was wondering if it's just because it's the weekend, but not complaining" CreationDate="2018-12-02T15:17:30.343" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17422" PostId="5788" Score="1" Text="Thanks for the answer, there are definitely other avenues to being here. I first found SO on google and have joined one site just a few days ago because I had a particular question I wanted to ask on building a swing for my kids. But all the rest including here through HNQ back in my early days." CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:36:48.737" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17423" PostId="5788" Score="1" Text="*wild idea now we have momentum* - could there be (or is it already a thing) to be able to remove a *question* (instead of banning sites) from HNQ? Perhaps a Mod power, or some +25k voting..." CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:38:56.967" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17424" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="Best idea I've seen so far on the topic... maybe make it a feature request?" CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:41:14.707" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17425" PostId="5788" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi I have to disconnect now, but perhaps we can cook this on chat and then work on a request tomorrow?" CreationDate="2018-12-04T00:42:54.390" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17426" PostId="5788" Score="4" Text="Have you seen [this post Tim made today](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/319357/162102)?  It's just talk and ideas right now, but it sounds like review before HNQification is under consideration." CreationDate="2018-12-04T01:44:50.413" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17428" PostId="5788" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio interesting, human involvement to my mind is a much preferable resolution than opting out altogether. I'm fine with the status quo, but if others aren't then this would be the best way to handle it." CreationDate="2018-12-04T09:55:40.693" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17432" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCelio nope, Will read it when I get to the office. I'll ping you guys later" CreationDate="2018-12-04T14:20:41.140" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17433" PostId="5788" Score="1" Text="Maybe a comment on this answer isn't the best place to ask this, but I feel really ignorant. Can someone post a link to an actual example of an HNQ-ified question that turned out poorly? And describe why it was a poor outcome? I know from the discussions that the fear is that it attracts unwanted attention but (and I almost feel silly for saying this, given how riled up everyone is), I can't say I've ever actually seen that happen firsthand." CreationDate="2018-12-04T14:44:06.287" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17434" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="@dwizum one list of examples I can quickly get is from another SE site: [Recent Trouble With Popularity](https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7525/31260). If you are primarily interested in examples from Workplace, ping me and I will look for (it may take time though)" CreationDate="2018-12-04T15:10:21.240" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17435" PostId="5788" Score="1" Text="@dwizum The best way to find a list of previously HNQs is to go to Questions and sort by highest votes. You may not be able to see most of the negative effects, because while an HNQ is active, the moderators spend a *lot* of time cleaning up and deleting comments and answers that shouldn't be there. The top three highest-voted question have a total of 23 deleted answers between them." CreationDate="2018-12-04T18:20:14.310" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17436" PostId="5788" Score="1" Text="@DavidK So, the problem is it's a lot of work for the moderators? And there is no lasting effect that's easy to point to? gnat, thanks for the link, I will take a look." CreationDate="2018-12-04T18:35:13.927" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17437" PostId="5788" Score="1" Text="@dwizum Only moderators can see deleted comments, but you can see [all of the comments moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/38407865#38407865), and that's just a portion of them. At 10k you'll be able to see all of the deleted answers too, including one that literally just says &quot;KICK HIM IN THE BALLS!!!!!!!!!&quot; Imagine what all of this would look like if the moderators *didn't* do anything. And the moderators can't fix things instantaneously - there is a lot of time where things *do* look really bad." CreationDate="2018-12-04T19:13:40.477" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17438" PostId="5788" Score="1" Text="The biggest impact that you can still see are the sheer number of answers - there are 29 of them on the first question. Do you think that it's possible for 29 answers to be substantially different and useful? No, they're just clutter and make the everything more confusing. Now if someone *did* come along with a novel and interesting answer, no one will see it because it's buried in all of the answers that say &quot;I agree with the other posts but I want to add one tiny extra detail&quot;" CreationDate="2018-12-04T19:18:36.443" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17439" PostId="5788" Score="0" Text="More work for moderators is fine, we're paying them in diamonds... hehe" CreationDate="2018-12-04T22:19:59.853" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17451" PostId="5796" Score="2" Text="There is no recourse - that's the nature of the site. If you point out the answer that got the votes, we may be able to suggest reasons why." CreationDate="2018-12-10T13:25:17.157" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17452" PostId="5796" Score="1" Text="I'm assuming [this is the answer](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/124367/16983) you are referring to." CreationDate="2018-12-10T14:21:21.853" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17453" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="Yup, that's exactly the one.  There was no valid reason for the downvote, in my opinion." CreationDate="2018-12-10T14:29:46.317" UserId="85362" />
  <row Id="17454" PostId="5796" Score="2" Text="People have every right to downvote because they don't agree with your answer. That is the whole point of the site. Them disagreeing with you is a valid reason." CreationDate="2018-12-10T16:32:42.657" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="17455" PostId="5796" Score="2" Text="I didn't downvote. But it's pretty easy to see how some would feel that &quot;If it's in the middle of a project, it's a duty&quot; is not useful. The tooltip on the downvote arrow specifically says &quot;This answer is not useful&quot;. Downvoting is part of the gamification of the site. Maybe if you had gone into more explanation for *why* you feel it's a duty when in the middle of a project, more folks would have found some use for the answer." CreationDate="2018-12-10T16:34:26.780" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17456" PostId="5796" Score="1" Text="Down votes happen.  Complain does not seem to help." CreationDate="2018-12-10T21:11:29.200" UserId="26028" />
  <row Id="17458" PostId="5796" Score="2" Text="without an explanation, the answer you referred may become useless in case if someone else posts an opposite opinion. For example, if someone posts a claim like _&quot;If it's in the middle of a project, it's a favor. If it's after the project is done, and time for a new project, it's a duty.&quot;_, how would this answer help reader to pick of two opposing opinions? Consider [edit](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/124367/edit)ing it into a better shape, to meet [answer] guidelines" CreationDate="2018-12-10T22:14:35.907" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17465" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="For this particular one, it should be pretty obvious.  If you start something, you finish it.  If you're in between 'somethings', you have no obligation to take on another 'something'.  That's why the one is a duty, and the other is a favor.  You don't leave someone hanging on a project just because you decided to get a job.  That's not ethical." CreationDate="2018-12-11T19:52:23.333" UserId="85362" />
  <row Id="17481" PostId="5796" Score="0" Text="For me it does not explain why your answer is right, which makes it difficult for me to determine if you are right in the first place." CreationDate="2018-12-17T15:02:12.900" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="17473" PostId="5814" Score="1" Text="Wow, that's disappointing. It became clear to abandon the experiment because of a few answers here in Meta? Or did folks reach out to you in private? I'm just wondering how one concludes the feelings of such a vast community." CreationDate="2018-12-13T14:38:49.317" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17474" PostId="5814" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere nothing private; I'm reacting to the voting on all the answers here.  The community doesn't seem to be behind the experiment." CreationDate="2018-12-13T14:51:32.963" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17475" PostId="5814" Score="1" Text="Thanks. I don't agree with the conclusion, but I understand how you reached it. Thanks anyway for the proposal and attempt." CreationDate="2018-12-13T15:19:33.170" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17476" PostId="5817" Score="1" Text="Thnx, didn’t realize it existed." CreationDate="2018-12-14T19:38:19.933" UserId="92050" />
  <row Id="17477" PostId="5818" Score="0" Text="Agree. To complement what you say, it is also good idea to post an answer saying that the post is now reopened, when one sees that a post is (Done) but lacks answer, and so it can be accepted and avoid the bumping" CreationDate="2018-12-14T20:58:57.757" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17478" PostId="5818" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Though according to Monica in the linked answer, it sounds like if a question doesn't have any answers then it won't get bumped. So maybe if no one has said anything, we change the title only?" CreationDate="2018-12-14T21:18:53.210" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17479" PostId="5818" Score="1" Text="hmmm... well, perhaps then we can leave the post unanswered... although, as a Q &amp; **A** site, it seems against the main purpose of the site (to gather high quality Q and As) to not answer... but in practical terms I guess we could go for either option." CreationDate="2018-12-14T21:21:00.180" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17480" PostId="5818" Score="2" Text="Alternatively, the answer just needs a positive score to prevent the question being bumped, so if the question in the meta question has been reopened, and if there's an unaccepted answer, just upvote it :)" CreationDate="2018-12-15T04:02:05.840" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="17483" PostId="5818" Score="0" Text="I prefer the 'Done', makes it more visible that it was specifically a reopen request and saves me clicking on it to see what it's about." CreationDate="2018-12-18T15:25:40.297" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17489" PostId="5824" Score="1" Text="As Kilisi suggest, it would be helpful to link to a specific instance of this. You should be able to find a list of your deleted posts by searching for `deleted:yes`" CreationDate="2018-12-20T12:55:16.047" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17544" PostId="5824" Score="0" Text="Are you actually meaning deleted? Or just closed. Those are two VERY different things. Generally dupes are CLOSED not deleted. It would have to be a bigger issue than just being a duplicate to cause a deletion." CreationDate="2019-01-17T21:06:45.333" UserId="87779" />
  <row Id="17486" PostId="5825" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the feedback! I tried to include all relevant information what I thought needed to understand my situation. Do you have any specific suggestion how to improve them?  I know I'm not good in this field otherwise I wouldn't ask these questions." CreationDate="2018-12-20T06:59:28.827" UserId="71019" />
  <row Id="17491" PostId="5825" Score="5" Text="If you find a question long or complicated to understand, please refrain from voting or affecting it in any way. Maybe come back at a later time, but in any case leave it to those people who do read and understand it. I do the same. This ensures we are at our best when reading and responding to questions." CreationDate="2018-12-21T13:03:49.360" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="17485" PostId="5826" Score="3" Text="For the technicality, nothing is hard-deleted on Stack Exchange though (the &quot;take significant disk space&quot; argument is irrelevant)... deleted posts are still visible for those who have [&quot;access to moderator tools&quot;](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/moderator-tools) privilege..." CreationDate="2018-12-20T06:40:53.057" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="17487" PostId="5826" Score="1" Text="what is the difference of rubbish and not rubbish? also, I'm referring to solid answers that provide a different view for all the readers, but in the end are being deleted since they are part of a duplicate question." CreationDate="2018-12-20T07:32:09.470" UserId="90861" />
  <row Id="17488" PostId="5827" Score="0" Text="Agreed. In general the questions that get deleted tend to be poorly written or have zero answers." CreationDate="2018-12-20T12:54:18.727" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17494" PostId="5831" Score="1" Text="&quot;_The court ruled that these specific statements regarding the statute of limitations constitute unlawful legal advice. The user who made these statements demonstrably did not have permission for such legal information. After the operator of the forum had refused to erase the statements of the user, he was personally held responsible for the illegal legal advice._&quot;" CreationDate="2018-12-23T10:59:11.640" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17495" PostId="5831" Score="4" Text="Asking for [legal advice](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) is off topic (it's even off topic on [Law.SE](https://law.stackexchange.com/) (&quot;Communications on Law Stack Exchange are not privileged communications and do not create an attorney-client relationship.&quot;)). Doesn't that already cover it?" CreationDate="2018-12-23T14:46:49.923" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="17496" PostId="5831" Score="2" Text="If you have concerns over legal matters, including legal validity or liability of advice given on this site, we would likely refer you to the Contact page where you can reach out to the Community Management team. Beyond that @AnneDaunted's comment is essentially correct in that we never claim to give legal advice here and none of the answers should be seen to constitute legal advice for specific situations." CreationDate="2018-12-24T00:21:56.423" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17506" PostId="5835" Score="0" Text="Nope. You're stuck it. In the words of my dear sweet granny, you can like it or you can lump it." CreationDate="2018-12-27T17:20:19.717" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17501" PostId="5836" Score="0" Text="OP Asked to roll back theme. The answer is, it won't happen...  Both question and answer got two downvotes. What is the meaning of it?" CreationDate="2018-12-27T04:30:22.107" UserId="73187" />
  <row Id="17502" PostId="5836" Score="4" Text="@IamtheMostStupidPerson beats me.  You'd think that people who dislike one would like the other and vice-versa.  Eh, people are hard to understand sometimes.  *Shrug*" CreationDate="2018-12-27T04:32:36.347" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17504" PostId="5837" Score="2" Text="inactive rooms get frozen and after some time, if there are not enough stars, system automatically deletes.these" CreationDate="2018-12-27T10:24:17.517" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17505" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="The question is similar to https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/93579/how-to-find-a-job-with-as-little-social-interaction-with-coworkers-as-possible. That one was quite possible to answer without knowing all the details you propose. Your clarifying questions could have been posed as comments and might have elicited the details you seek. (Although I'm not sure why &quot;Why exactly are they interested in the somewhat arbitrary list of industries&quot; is relevant.)" CreationDate="2018-12-27T12:11:53.290" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17513" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="Many of those, if specified, would actually make the question “too localised”. I’m not sure they would actually improve the question." CreationDate="2018-12-29T07:27:39.550" UserId="68760" />
  <row Id="17514" PostId="5838" Score="1" Text="So the question is either impossible to determine a complete adequate answer for, or an adequate answer would not be helpful to other users in the future. And there are multiple people who something think that's the quality worth having on SE? Mayhap they need to go back to Quora and let the rest of us put something worthwhile back together." CreationDate="2018-12-29T09:40:42.667" UserDisplayName="user53718" />
  <row Id="17512" PostId="5839" Score="0" Text="This doesn't really answer the question, though it's fine to note that it has been reopened as part of an answer (e.g. &quot;It's not too broad, which is why the question has been reopened&quot;) or simply as a comment. I'm guessing that's why it's gathered a few downvotes." CreationDate="2018-12-29T07:14:27.003" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="17507" PostId="5840" Score="0" Text="How did you know that it had only 12 messages? That means, even deleted chat groups are visible to moderators?" CreationDate="2018-12-28T03:35:15.043" UserId="73187" />
  <row Id="17508" PostId="5840" Score="1" Text="Yes, that’s correct, although we only rarely need to go looking at deleted rooms." CreationDate="2018-12-28T08:18:30.890" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="17511" PostId="5841" Score="2" Text="I voted to reopen." CreationDate="2018-12-28T18:34:44.023" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17509" PostId="5842" Score="0" Text="The intent of the notice is to stop comment discussion of certain questions/answers." CreationDate="2018-12-28T17:40:53.003" UserId="16" />
  <row Id="17510" PostId="5842" Score="2" Text="Related: [Can we get a be nice post notice for questions that deal with sensitive issues](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4848)" CreationDate="2018-12-28T18:04:24.373" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="17516" PostId="5850" Score="1" Text="Voted to reopen. Seems completely on-topic to me." CreationDate="2018-12-31T19:23:32.093" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17523" PostId="5850" Score="1" Text="Don't see why it was closed in the first place" CreationDate="2019-01-04T11:26:46.463" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17520" PostId="5851" Score="0" Text="Does &quot;comments undeleted&quot; record the action or the final state?  That is, if I delete some comments, then decide to move the whole thing to chat so I undelete those first and then move them (so the comment ends up deleted), does that undeletion event count in your total?" CreationDate="2019-01-01T17:31:52.963" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17521" PostId="5851" Score="0" Text="Thanks for these stats!  In the future, would it be possible to include # {comments, questions, answers} *posted* to help put these other numbers in perspective?  I know that not all deletions, closures, protections, etc, apply to things posted in the same year, but it'd still give us a rough idea of proportions for these various actions.  (If we *deleted* 24k comments, I'm morbidly curious how many we *got* in the first place...)" CreationDate="2019-01-01T17:35:47.657" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17522" PostId="5851" Score="3" Text="It reflects actions taken, @monica - a comment posted two years ago but deleted and undeleted 20 times yesterday counts as 20 actions apiece. That also kinda confounds normalization, which is why I post normalized closing statistics separately on MSE." CreationDate="2019-01-01T17:41:21.647" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="17535" PostId="5851" Score="4" Text="@TheDarkSide Er, no, that's not correct in any dialect of English I'm familiar with." CreationDate="2019-01-09T21:10:46.977" UserId="87356" />
  <row Id="17524" PostId="5854" Score="1" Text="Flag every time someone puts it as a response.  That way, companies can have plenty of unhappy workers." CreationDate="2019-01-04T21:11:51.967" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17525" PostId="5854" Score="1" Text="Unless the OP specifically mentions that leaving isn't an option, how could you know that it's &quot;not the answer the OP is looking for&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-01-05T01:16:05.323" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17526" PostId="5854" Score="4" Text="Related: [Is 'Quit your job' an acceptable answer?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1692)" CreationDate="2019-01-05T17:43:59.803" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="17527" PostId="5854" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Is 'Quit your job' an acceptable answer?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1692/is-quit-your-job-an-acceptable-answer)" CreationDate="2019-01-05T17:53:18.503" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="17529" PostId="5857" Score="1" Text="&quot;people leaving downvotes should really comment their disagreement instead&quot; - I don't think there's any good argument for the *instead* part." CreationDate="2019-01-09T11:32:59.583" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17530" PostId="5857" Score="1" Text="also, isn't that frowned upon? Comments are not for discussion (although sometimes they are used that way). Doesn't endorsing a response to a comment you disagree with open the flood gates to starting chats in comments? If you disagree with me and post a comment, I probably also disagree with you and will post a comment and the cycle continues." CreationDate="2019-01-09T11:38:09.970" UserId="66895" />
  <row Id="17531" PostId="5857" Score="0" Text="If the aim of disagreeing with someone else's comment is to improve the relevant question/answer, then it's fine.  If it's disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, then that's something else.  Technically speaking, comments should only be there in order to enhance or seek clarification.  However, as we all know, many people comment to disagree purely for the sake of disagreeing." CreationDate="2019-01-09T13:12:31.547" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="17532" PostId="5857" Score="0" Text="I don't understand the concept that deleting &quot;bad&quot; comments as the only way to deal with them. Removing comments is removing part of the information associated with the question/answer. I can think of a few cases where *removing* information is beneficial, but lots of cases where being able to show that a specific piece of information was unpopular or unliked would be helpful." CreationDate="2019-01-09T14:03:37.430" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17534" PostId="5858" Score="2" Text="&quot;Are questions allowed to be too technical?&quot; - seem pretty clear that lots of technical details are permitted. It would be  better if most of those details were left off, so as to make the question more generally applicable. But apparently there is no requirement to do so." CreationDate="2019-01-09T16:35:19.810" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17533" PostId="5859" Score="3" Text="Clear enough for me. I voted to reopen." CreationDate="2019-01-09T16:33:33.240" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17693" PostId="5859" Score="0" Text="@dwizum This is now open.  Can you please accept the answer as per Monica's [open request resolution method](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5725/44108)?" CreationDate="2019-02-07T08:42:36.257" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="17697" PostId="5859" Score="0" Text="Yes, all set. Thanks for the reminder." CreationDate="2019-02-07T14:22:42.480" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17536" PostId="5864" Score="0" Text="Well, it looks fine to me, but I am biased because I would like to see it :-) What do you think?" CreationDate="2019-01-10T22:12:20.103" UserId="20979" />
  <row Id="17537" PostId="5864" Score="1" Text="As mod elsewhere, I think the author has done the right thing, the answer already stands on its own without the link, and it would be enhanced with the link. I would not class this as spam" CreationDate="2019-01-11T09:18:49.900" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="17538" PostId="5864" Score="2" Text="@Mawg I didn't include my own opinion, because I'm just a low-rep user and it doesn't matter much (especially considering how many users TWP has). Did you already try googling &quot;esther schindler o'reilly&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-01-11T14:26:07.207" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="17539" PostId="5865" Score="0" Text="Given how disruptive it can be to switch jobs, and the chance that you'd be hopping from frying pan to fire, I appreciate the concept of criteria to qualify &quot;get another job&quot; advice. I'd add another bullet: *If you've thoroughly examined your own role in the conflict and have legitimately tried through your own means to resolve things.* I know, personally, that it's possible to run from a problem that in hindsight may have been solve-able, and as much as switching jobs is the easy way out of a given problem, it doesn't inherently solve the problem so much as avoid it." CreationDate="2019-01-14T15:38:19.323" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17540" PostId="5865" Score="0" Text="@dwizum good point, and it varies by industry.  In IT, it's far less disruptive to move on, and so many people do it, most interviewers won't plumb too deeply.  Still, if a situation is intractable, and the writing is on the wall, move on." CreationDate="2019-01-14T15:41:56.230" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17602" PostId="5866" Score="0" Text="Do you mean [the original revision #1, the current #13, or revision #9 which was current when you asked this (and the question was briefly closed)](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/126299/revisions)? Many of us did a lot of surgery to convert it into a useful, neutrally-phrased, generic question. It seems you asked this Meta question when the original question was back on #9, so this is now at best obsolete, at worst downright damaging. You should at absolute minimum reference the extensive revision history, better if you summarize how it morphed from/to #1, #9, #13." CreationDate="2019-01-25T00:27:54.563" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="17604" PostId="5866" Score="0" Text="I'm not interested in summarizing edit history, since that might imply an obligation to update this question every time there are future edits. I do agree though that it's fair to point out the timing of my question versus the revision history, since my question doesn't make as much sense against the current revision." CreationDate="2019-01-25T14:09:25.487" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17543" PostId="5867" Score="0" Text="The edits are great, the post is open again." CreationDate="2019-01-15T22:03:23.927" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17542" PostId="5868" Score="0" Text="In part this is why I try to quote the question I am answering... that way if it is edited (heavily or not) my answer would still make a bit of sense, point in which I can see the edit and decide to update the answer or not." CreationDate="2019-01-15T22:01:53.317" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17605" PostId="5868" Score="0" Text="I'd like to focus on your reaction: &quot;Yes, that was too much to ask you to do.&quot; To me, that's a subjective reaction, and as such doesn't have much value according to Workplace guidelines - my subjective reaction may be different, and we're both entitled to that. I think part of what I meant in my question here was that the OP was looking for validation of a subjective feeling they had. That's a natural human thing to want, it's not inherently bad: I just don't think it adds value as a question on this site, even if it does help the OP feel better, and even if it's not a rant. To be continued..." CreationDate="2019-01-25T14:13:07.573" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17606" PostId="5868" Score="0" Text="To me, the value would fit better in the Workplace if it was more objective: a question/answer about standard interviewing practices, or how to communicate during the interview process, or how to set expectations about what you're willing to do during an interview. That way, we'd be indirectly addressing the OP's subjective feelings, but also providing a legitimate objective question and answer that (to me at least) fits better according to the guidelines on this site." CreationDate="2019-01-25T14:15:01.897" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17547" PostId="5870" Score="2" Text="Possible duplicate of [What happened to my comment?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2970/what-happened-to-my-comment)" CreationDate="2019-01-18T12:30:57.263" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="17560" PostId="5870" Score="0" Text="Just repost it, eventually they get tired of deleting it." CreationDate="2019-01-18T23:52:35.993" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17546" PostId="5871" Score="1" Text="&quot;Comments are for improving questions and answers&quot; doesn't quite answer my question, especially insofar as pointing out flaws in an answer **is** improving the answer. Furthermore, there are *often* comment chains that amount to &quot;I believe this answer is actually incorrect or doesn't best suite the purposes of the question&quot; (such as this one :D). I feel as if your answer is a bit... disingenuous." CreationDate="2019-01-18T02:45:41.830" UserId="33726" />
  <row Id="17548" PostId="5871" Score="1" Text="@AmagicalFishy obvious trolling will also get your comments deleted" CreationDate="2019-01-18T12:49:33.107" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17550" PostId="5871" Score="0" Text="Thanks. This would be useful information if I asked &quot;What types of things warrant deletion of comments?&quot; I wish obvious trolling got *answers* deleted, too." CreationDate="2019-01-18T14:34:45.633" UserId="33726" />
  <row Id="17551" PostId="5871" Score="0" Text="@AmagicalFishy they do, but you need to have a rep high enough to see deleted answers" CreationDate="2019-01-18T14:51:46.427" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17552" PostId="5871" Score="0" Text="Ah. Yeah, it looks like having high rep. gives one a *lot* of liberties" CreationDate="2019-01-18T14:56:18.257" UserId="33726" />
  <row Id="17553" PostId="5871" Score="1" Text="@AmagicalFishy no, but it does make you a target." CreationDate="2019-01-18T15:10:52.450" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17549" PostId="5872" Score="0" Text="I take our option to flag an answer with &quot;not an answer&quot; as evidence against what I *think* you're saying with &quot;an answer is an answer.&quot; The implication seems to be: Regardless of whether or not the proposed answer addresses a question, it's _an answer_. Is this what you meant? (&quot;An answer is an answer&quot; is not very helpful. :P)" CreationDate="2019-01-18T14:31:36.337" UserId="33726" />
  <row Id="17554" PostId="5873" Score="0" Text="Ah, right, since I never look at that menu, I forgot about it. Thank you." CreationDate="2019-01-18T15:34:10.710" UserId="36469" />
  <row Id="17561" PostId="5874" Score="0" Text="I have to thank you for answering the question, man. Thank you." CreationDate="2019-01-19T16:51:48.813" UserId="33726" />
  <row Id="17562" PostId="5874" Score="0" Text="@AmagicalFishy - you are quite welcome. Always happy if I can help." CreationDate="2019-01-19T19:34:20.340" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17557" PostId="5875" Score="2" Text="Confused by this, since I haven't moderated anything related to this question, so there's nothing to stop doing - and your answer doesn't even answer my question. If  you're picking at the fact that I linked to SO help, then you can look at the Workplace help, which includes similar language persuading users from posting &quot;rants:&quot; https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask" CreationDate="2019-01-18T20:57:48.110" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17558" PostId="5875" Score="2" Text="If you're trying to indicate that you don't think the referenced question is a rant, or that it should or should not receive edits, answers, comments, or whatever, then I'd be interested in hearing some details on why - or, ideally, a link to Workplace guidelines or help material that clarifies, or past questions that set a precedent for questions like this one." CreationDate="2019-01-18T20:58:47.657" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="17559" PostId="5875" Score="0" Text="@dwizum Read the update." CreationDate="2019-01-18T22:18:49.843" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="17563" PostId="5875" Score="7" Text="Was this meant as a joke? I read it as such (replying to a &quot;is this a rant disguised as a question?&quot; with a rant (very thinly) disguised as an answer) and found it amusing...but maybe it wasn't intended as such?" CreationDate="2019-01-20T08:53:02.397" UserId="91530" />
  <row Id="17565" PostId="5876" Score="2" Text="You don't seem too bothered by the fact that your one answer rode that same popularity train." CreationDate="2019-01-21T13:58:15.900" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17566" PostId="5876" Score="6" Text="*&quot;Although (s)he hasn't really contributed anything useful to the site&quot;*  -That seems pretty insulting to OP" CreationDate="2019-01-21T15:47:57.673" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17567" PostId="5876" Score="2" Text="@Richard that's a good point, but then again, you do have a trustworthy name." CreationDate="2019-01-21T17:25:40.397" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17569" PostId="5876" Score="1" Text="&quot;Is that really desirable?&quot; - Yes. It is desirable to have questions that 535 folks feel is useful. I don't understand why that would be a problem." CreationDate="2019-01-21T20:09:04.190" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17571" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Let me doubt your premises. I think a large chunk of these 535 users found the question funny or interestning, but not useful." CreationDate="2019-01-21T22:42:40.413" UserId="9050" />
  <row Id="17572" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="@d-b - You are entitled to your guess. All we know is that these people clicked the upvote button (which has a tooltip saying &quot;it is useful and clear&quot;). That's the way the system is designed. Seems to me that is how the system is supposed to work. You are free to suggest an alternative mechanism for voting - StackExchange employees do read some of these questions and answers." CreationDate="2019-01-21T23:51:50.753" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17579" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Weak argument. What do you think Occham's would say about this?" CreationDate="2019-01-22T21:28:28.183" UserId="9050" />
  <row Id="17580" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="@d-b - is Occham a moderator or an employee of Stack Exchange? (ie, I don't care much). You don't like the way the feature works. But to me it's pretty clear that it works the way it was intended to work. We could argue if gamification of a site is a good thing or not (for me: not much), but this is indeed how the site is supposed to work." CreationDate="2019-01-22T22:26:24.307" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17584" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Another weak argument. Besides, as has been pointed out several times in this thread - usefulness is the main reason to reward a question or answer. This question is not useful." CreationDate="2019-01-23T12:57:39.450" UserId="9050" />
  <row Id="17585" PostId="5876" Score="1" Text="@d-b - apparently, over 600 voters disagree. Oh well." CreationDate="2019-01-23T13:03:36.490" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17610" PostId="5876" Score="0" Text="Does it matter if the OP got a lot of reputation for that question? They haven't returned to the site since asking the question. I am more concerned about follow up questions in the comments remaining unanswered, which means certain details about the sequence of events leading to the situation in the question are unclear." CreationDate="2019-01-26T13:49:45.900" UserId="32494" />
  <row Id="17635" PostId="5876" Score="1" Text="@Richard You are breaking Hume's law with your reasoning, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem . I hope you have an excellent motivation for that." CreationDate="2019-01-29T14:53:38.257" UserId="9050" />
  <row Id="17568" PostId="5878" Score="1" Text="to the downvoter:  Why do you think this is a bad idea?" CreationDate="2019-01-21T18:06:15.023" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17574" PostId="5878" Score="2" Text="[Stack Overflow is trialling an Ask A Question wizard](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/378057/254830) which aims to prompt people for basic information they might regularly not provide. It's one of the features that can be rolled out to other sites now that the themes are unified. Perhaps that could be applied to resolve this problem once it's out, if nothing else happens for this in the meantime." CreationDate="2019-01-22T11:07:28.567" UserId="16807" />
  <row Id="22345" PostId="5878" Score="0" Text="Fully agree. There's currently a prime example in the HNQ: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/169948/how-to-refuse-constant-outside-office-hours-meetings-politely OP has a German-sounding user name, the top answers assumed that they were in Europe, and only later was is revealed that OP is in China, which has vastly different employee protection laws and a significantly different culture with respect to work-life balance." CreationDate="2021-03-01T11:48:21.070" UserId="22826" />
  <row Id="17609" PostId="5879" Score="0" Text="On top of that it can be useful to know about what problems other have experienced to avoid getting into those problems yourself." CreationDate="2019-01-26T13:47:20.617" UserId="32494" />
  <row Id="17576" PostId="5883" Score="0" Text="Sometimes the rif-raf start to drag down a post's score by deliberately misrepresenting an answer, and the mods just move it all.  It's annoying, but sometimes it's the only way to stop the dumpster fire" CreationDate="2019-01-22T17:29:40.783" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17577" PostId="5883" Score="1" Text="@RichardU But its always other peoples comments that are the fuel for the dumpster fire - it's never *my* comments :D" CreationDate="2019-01-22T17:46:11.913" UserId="50253" />
  <row Id="17578" PostId="5883" Score="0" Text="Yep, I feel the same way." CreationDate="2019-01-22T18:14:53.803" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17581" PostId="5885" Score="0" Text="That is round about.  Is there anyway to go from my profile to that link directly?" CreationDate="2019-01-22T22:35:18.943" UserId="50253" />
  <row Id="17582" PostId="5885" Score="0" Text="Alas, no.  I'll try to find (or create) a feature request on main meta about that.  Moderators have a link, so I don't see why users can't.  (We got that link relatively recently, so I suspect it wasn't possible at some point in the past and then didn't get revisited.)" CreationDate="2019-01-22T22:36:57.003" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17594" PostId="5885" Score="0" Text="Alternatively, you can go to [the chat page](https://chat.stackexchange.com/) and click on your profile at the top. You might also be able to look at the &quot;Mine&quot; tab there, but I don't have any active, so I can't tell if that would work." CreationDate="2019-01-24T13:58:57.463" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17595" PostId="5885" Score="0" Text="@DavidK are you automatically logged in to chat?  I can't remember what that's like on a first-time visit (don't remember if I had to log in or it was automatic)." CreationDate="2019-01-24T14:55:51.797" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17596" PostId="5885" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Mine is automatic, but I'm also automatically logged on to all of my SE sites on this computer. Not sure how it would look to someone who had never used chat before." CreationDate="2019-01-24T15:53:58.733" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17586" PostId="5886" Score="0" Text="Welcome to Workplace SE! Richard U's answer gives you some good tips for improving the question. The [ask] pages give some more general info but I don't think you'd go too far wrong with what Richard suggests." CreationDate="2019-01-23T15:51:08.557" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17591" PostId="5886" Score="0" Text="FWIW, the post is now open again :)" CreationDate="2019-01-23T21:08:30.177" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17583" PostId="5888" Score="0" Text="This is a demonstration post to indicate how this should look when an ad is posted. It also doubles as your twitter ad, but it's up to you if you wish to promote it by voting" CreationDate="2019-01-23T12:31:07.033" UserId="33683" />
  <row Id="17590" PostId="5888" Score="8" Text="Twitter?  Didn't we learn that lesson the hard way?" CreationDate="2019-01-23T21:05:56.837" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17587" PostId="5890" Score="3" Text="It would be good idea to have a log of people downvoting so when there is pattern the system alert. When I use to get a lot of downvotes. I was mailed by Mods of telling me I need to review my question before positing, something like that." CreationDate="2019-01-23T16:57:27.403" UserDisplayName="user15704" />
  <row Id="17603" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="@cookieMonster the system often gives a message that says something to the effect of &quot;please leave a message if you think this post can be improved&quot; when you downvote. I'm not sure what the criteria for the message is but I've seen it pretty often." CreationDate="2019-01-25T07:56:40.707" UserId="36224" />
  <row Id="17608" PostId="5890" Score="9" Text="So when a brand new user turns up, doesn't browse around to get an idea of how the site works, asks a terrible question and receives downvotes, is it the fault of the site? Note that explaining to a new user why they're getting downvotes makes you a huge target for that person to complain at and now that we've got a huge flashing warning telling you that if you make a misstep when interacting with a new user you could get sanctioned, I'm guessing people are less willing to take the risk" CreationDate="2019-01-26T10:50:58.833" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17611" PostId="5890" Score="3" Text="@Richard I take that risk all the time.  We had a new user one time who had his question voted all the way down to -7, and instead of help, he recieved abuse.  All it took was a quick edit, a quick explanation to the OP, and a tiny bit of patience, and the post went up to over +50, the site benefited, and the OP got some useful answers.  How is that a bad thing?" CreationDate="2019-01-26T17:15:47.610" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17612" PostId="5890" Score="6" Text="@RichardU - By the same token, I've offered advice to users who're getting downvoted and received nothing but abuse from them, as if it's somehow my fault that their question is bad. The new &quot;new users are a special breed that must be treated with kid gloves&quot; policy is proving to be harmful, as you yourself are finding, since it encourages drive-by downvoting." CreationDate="2019-01-26T17:18:54.273" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17613" PostId="5890" Score="2" Text="@Richard If you're here, and have a rep over 1,000, you will get abuse, the higher the rep, the more abuse you will get.  You should see some of what has been directed towards Kilisi and myself." CreationDate="2019-01-26T17:48:29.277" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17615" PostId="5890" Score="3" Text="@RichardU Take it up with our stack exchange overlords.  They feel that comments on the line of &quot;you need to [something] in order to get a positive reception&quot; make things more unwelcoming for new users than just a down/close vote and move on.  This has been repeatedly argued on meta.SE over the last year, without shifting the public opinions of the powers that be." CreationDate="2019-01-27T21:40:22.357" UserId="345" />
  <row Id="17617" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="@DanNeely well...." CreationDate="2019-01-27T22:11:43.157" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17667" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I won't say for you, but for Kilisi, it is somewhat due to answers that people doesn't like to hear (even if it is the sad truth)." CreationDate="2019-02-01T12:08:32.590" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17668" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat I'd cop to the same charge.  I know I dance on the line of the be-nice rule, especially when someone is about to do something unethical or foolish, or, god help them, run to [**HR**](https://www.inc.com/jt-odonnell/what-20-somethings-need-to-know-about-complaining-to-hr.html) without a damn good reason." CreationDate="2019-02-01T14:36:08.447" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17669" PostId="5890" Score="0" Text="Yeah well, my point was still that that it doesn't boild down to reputation. Otherwise the one that would have been getting more downvotes would be Joe and I have yet to see him with a negative score on a answer." CreationDate="2019-02-01T14:47:03.530" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17670" PostId="5890" Score="1" Text="@Walfrat I'll meet you half way and say it doesn't boil ***solely*** down to reputation.  Joe, is... well, Joe." CreationDate="2019-02-01T16:24:42.923" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17597" PostId="5891" Score="2" Text="VTRO  I agree, although, sometimes people will VTC just to get that 5th vote out of the way so they can then VTRO." CreationDate="2019-01-24T17:30:32.530" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17598" PostId="5891" Score="1" Text="Voted to re-open!" CreationDate="2019-01-24T17:30:41.287" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17599" PostId="5891" Score="4" Text="I think the user that VTC after posting an answer may be responding to the fact that they are getting DVs for their answer - not nice at all." CreationDate="2019-01-24T17:32:07.927" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17600" PostId="5891" Score="1" Text="VTRO, one vote left..." CreationDate="2019-01-24T18:01:07.977" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17607" PostId="5893" Score="3" Text="Part of helping people is guiding them through the steps around here.  When a user is new, it's hard because there are the rules, and then there are how the rules are enforced, and how they are interpreted.  If, as in this case, a user comes in, get's his post shut down with no comment, then asks what he can do to improve, and again, gets voted down with no comment, that person will feel EXTREMELY unwelcome, and answers like this, which essentially says &quot;Tough Shyte&quot;, certainly don't help matters" CreationDate="2019-01-25T15:27:58.187" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17649" PostId="5893" Score="3" Text="@RichardU Quite a lot of new users manage to read the rules and get it right though." CreationDate="2019-01-30T20:38:56.193" UserId="45195" />
  <row Id="17651" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="@pipe How many?  could you quantify this for me?" CreationDate="2019-01-30T21:09:36.930" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17653" PostId="5893" Score="1" Text="@RichardU No, I just took a look at the new questions on the front page and it seemed to me that most of the completely new users (without association bonus) had a zero or positive score. But I can't see if there are pending close votes or the number of up/downvotes." CreationDate="2019-01-31T08:29:15.840" UserId="45195" />
  <row Id="17666" PostId="5893" Score="1" Text="I don't have the same feeling @pipe" CreationDate="2019-02-01T12:05:37.747" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17683" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="@pipe did you take into account that questions drop off the frontpage when they have a sufficient amount of downvotes? (I believe that happens at -3)." CreationDate="2019-02-06T10:55:32.933" UserId="69130" />
  <row Id="17684" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="@JAD No, I didn't spend an excessive amount of time on it since I'm happy with the status quo and think it's better for the website. If someone wants change, I think it's up to them to show the problem." CreationDate="2019-02-06T12:15:27.127" UserId="45195" />
  <row Id="17685" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="@IanKemp The sad thing is that the hair-trigger VTC'er crowd genuinely believes that they're doing a service when they put their rigid interpretation of &quot;the rules&quot; of the site above concern for the asker and often even common courtesy. That's the core disagreement right there. Many of us feel it is *NEVER* OK to make someone feel dismissed when asking a question, especially if it is an earnest question about a problem that impact their quality of life at work." CreationDate="2019-02-06T13:37:35.270" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="17691" PostId="5893" Score="0" Text="Man, I agreed with you while reading this till I realized that this was the Workplace meta and not Stack Overflow. Workplace will always be more welcoming than Stack Overflow. End of story. We help anyone with anything job related. That's it. Sometimes that includes helping them ask us a good question. And we do it because we're nice." CreationDate="2019-02-06T16:05:38.117" UserDisplayName="user53651" />
  <row Id="17614" PostId="5894" Score="3" Text="It's hard to disagree with this sentiment, but at the same time it's also hard to disagree with other similarly pointless truisms like 'change can sometimes be good' or 'it's not polite to stare'" CreationDate="2019-01-26T19:32:02.297" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17616" PostId="5894" Score="3" Text="@Richard can't be that hard to disagree, I got 2 downvotes already... ahaha" CreationDate="2019-01-27T22:05:46.517" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17618" PostId="5896" Score="4" Text="That was not helpful at all." CreationDate="2019-01-28T19:18:54.020" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17619" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="You prefer the answer that consists solely of, &quot;Absolutely.&quot; ? I'm not here to be a yes-man." CreationDate="2019-01-28T19:21:12.473" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="17620" PostId="5896" Score="3" Text="At least eight people prefer the answer of &quot;absolutely&quot;.  Your answer is not helpful because it does not address the discussion at all.  closing without comment, then responding to a question on Meta by downvoting it without comment doesn't help anyone." CreationDate="2019-01-28T19:28:35.930" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17621" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="I gave you my honest opinion and you downvoted it, for the most correctly used and insulting reason ever: *it was not useful*. This is why people who DV don't leave their name, for you to come and complain." CreationDate="2019-01-28T19:28:58.327" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="17622" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="For the record, I did not and never will DV *Be more inviting to new users*. But nor will I ever abstain from holding an SE question to the highest expectations." CreationDate="2019-01-28T19:30:41.263" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="17623" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="I'm not saying you did.  I simply said that your answer was not helpful.  But if you want high standards, there's comments, edits, et cetera, which was the whole point of the topic.  If people aren't here to help others, I don't know why they even bother." CreationDate="2019-01-28T19:31:14.540" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17624" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="I'm just trying to offer some insight into someone that might find themselves often having to DV and run, because being a naysayer is a daunting task at times; easier to just push the button. The *Be Nice* policy makes what would be easy to say face to face, have to a be an epic novel held with kid gloves. - [Dopamine](https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/211228/what-do-you-call-someone-who-is-addicted-to-a-qa-website) is why they bother." CreationDate="2019-01-28T19:42:40.787" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="17625" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="LOL, well if you look at some of my answers, they tend to tapdance on the line of the be nice policy, and believe me, there are more than a few people I'd like to introduce to the old &quot;clue-by-four&quot;, but if someone walks in here clueless, they should be given a bit of a break" CreationDate="2019-01-28T19:49:03.923" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17626" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="Imagine I DVed your Q and left a comment, and now this is the thread I've got to deal with, where six comments in I'm finally asking you, what do you want to do about: &quot;None of the people who voted to close left a comment, edited the question, or did anything beyond vote.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-01-28T19:54:54.010" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="17627" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="That's *by design* at SE. But honestly what happened here IMO is a new user that got the short stick because everyone thought they'd run away anyway. If I said that at least one out of every ten of my comments ever actually changed a question for the better, I'd be lying." CreationDate="2019-01-28T19:57:32.777" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="17628" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="I typically try to comment &quot;You might want to include...&quot; in my comments, and I often incorporate comments into my answers here." CreationDate="2019-01-28T20:00:11.750" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17629" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="That's my point. I'll be half way into typing *where's your flipping research*, delete that, start writing *You might want to include* .... and then I'll say to myself, screw it: -1; bad question. **That's the problem you have to solve.**" CreationDate="2019-01-28T20:05:05.533" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="17630" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="Oh, believe me, I can take a person to the woodshed quite nicely.  [As I did here](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/97610/should-i-include-controversial-achievements-in-my-resume/97616#97616) in my answer.  but, for the most part, I try to give the people the benefit of the doubt when they are starting out.  My patience, however, is inversely proportionate to rep" CreationDate="2019-01-28T20:08:42.433" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17631" PostId="5896" Score="0" Text="IME there's two kinds of SEers (as I linked at ELU, where also {1} reputation is always a correlative issue - my hat's off to you for being unbiased by it; most aren't). Two kinds: those who practice true altruism, and those who want to rule lawyer the scientific method of answering a question, known as Stack Exchange. Without either, it would neither be interesting nor correct, or loud enough to be heard over the signal to noise. See, Ian's answer." CreationDate="2019-01-28T20:20:03.747" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="17632" PostId="5896" Score="1" Text="Rep is easy to get if you start with a stack in it's infancy, so I don't give it too much credence.  It also tends to draw a bit of abuse.  &quot;YOU THINK YOU'RE SO GREAT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A HIGH REP&quot;.  So, it balances out a bit.  As I said, I get tons of abuse.  It's part of the price you pay if you want to help." CreationDate="2019-01-28T20:34:49.157" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17636" PostId="5897" Score="3" Text="Now that is a horse of a different colour.  I can see no defence in it's usage." CreationDate="2019-01-29T15:26:34.820" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17672" PostId="5897" Score="0" Text="Both ways of spelling are correct in English IIRC... just like &quot;color&quot; and &quot;colour&quot;, etc." CreationDate="2019-02-02T00:40:52.033" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17676" PostId="5897" Score="0" Text="@Richard U: [*&quot;it's&quot;* is not British spelling](http://www.wikihow.com/Use-Its-and-It%27s)" CreationDate="2019-02-04T08:46:05.083" UserId="478" />
  <row Id="17677" PostId="5897" Score="0" Text="@PeterMortensen er, huh?  A baking powder?  Exsqueeze me?" CreationDate="2019-02-04T14:02:15.207" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17646" PostId="5900" Score="1" Text="I know there are often complaints that SE is too US-centric and doesn't consider other countries enough, so I would guess that there are far more US users than UK. There are currently 899 questions tagged [tag:united-states] and 599 tagged [tag:united-kingdom], and I know a lot of US questions are usually tagged with the state but not the country." CreationDate="2019-01-30T15:49:36.263" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17647" PostId="5901" Score="4" Text="at rep 3K+ [close flags are automatically converted to votes](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/215970/165773)" CreationDate="2019-01-30T16:26:01.493" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17714" PostId="5901" Score="0" Text="@gnat So how do I get helpful flag points to get the badge?" CreationDate="2019-02-08T08:44:48.047" UserId="83963" />
  <row Id="17735" PostId="5901" Score="0" Text="it generally depends on the site, eg here at Workplace you probably can try flagging chatty comments" CreationDate="2019-02-09T21:26:39.083" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17644" PostId="5902" Score="2" Text="Can't repro this one. Looks fine to me." CreationDate="2019-01-30T14:07:58.060" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="17645" PostId="5902" Score="0" Text="@Snow yep seems to be fine now." CreationDate="2019-01-30T14:10:38.900" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17648" PostId="5902" Score="0" Text="I also see no issue..." CreationDate="2019-01-30T18:51:13.160" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17650" PostId="5902" Score="3" Text="I thought it was an improvement :-)" CreationDate="2019-01-30T20:55:12.717" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17671" PostId="5902" Score="0" Text="How do we get HNQ to be broken?" CreationDate="2019-02-01T18:56:38.170" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17655" PostId="5903" Score="1" Text="Fr guy, never heard about redundancy here." CreationDate="2019-01-31T10:42:08.447" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17661" PostId="5904" Score="0" Text="Interesting -- I see the protection notice, but if I view the question while logged out I don't.  You're logged in and do not see the notice?" CreationDate="2019-01-31T21:35:10.430" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17662" PostId="5904" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Correct." CreationDate="2019-01-31T21:36:01.867" UserId="4790" />
  <row Id="17657" PostId="5905" Score="0" Text="I see no banner saying protected. 'Protected' doesn't even appear on the page. https://i.stack.imgur.com/Bm1ZI.png" CreationDate="2019-01-31T21:28:57.080" UserId="4790" />
  <row Id="17658" PostId="5905" Score="1" Text="@Chloe I see the banner-- it's there, between the question and comments on it." CreationDate="2019-01-31T21:29:53.213" UserId="74269" />
  <row Id="17659" PostId="5905" Score="0" Text="Well, it *is* protected. I see it, everybody else sees it and the timeline shows it. Do you have an ad blocker or something which is hiding the banner?" CreationDate="2019-01-31T21:30:33.600" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="17660" PostId="5905" Score="0" Text="I do not have an ad blocker. So it is a bug in the display? I added another screen shot showing between the question and the comments." CreationDate="2019-01-31T21:31:21.513" UserId="4790" />
  <row Id="17663" PostId="5905" Score="4" Text="[There's a network-wide bug with display of protection status](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/322971/162102). :-(" CreationDate="2019-01-31T22:05:19.907" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17664" PostId="5905" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio Ah good find. TL;DR: the bug manifests only if you *don't* have enough rep to answer the question, if you do then it's all fine." CreationDate="2019-01-31T22:19:14.220" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="17665" PostId="5905" Score="2" Text="Thanks. It's working now. `protected by Snow♦ 18 hours ago`" CreationDate="2019-02-01T01:58:09.000" UserId="4790" />
  <row Id="17712" PostId="5908" Score="0" Text="I've deleted a few similar questions here after Monica wrapped up those into a [single, coherent question](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5926/44108)." CreationDate="2019-02-08T07:29:05.473" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="17713" PostId="5908" Score="0" Text="A reminder on the following process here might be needed.  When the questions open next week, discussion is allowed so that candidates can be questioned on their answers to these questions.  There will also be a chatroom that voters and candidates are encouraged to use." CreationDate="2019-02-08T07:31:32.200" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="17690" PostId="5914" Score="4" Text="For the purposes of irony, this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/89340/discussion-on-answer-by-richard-u-2019-moderator-election-qa-question-collect)." CreationDate="2019-02-06T15:38:41.910" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="17680" PostId="5915" Score="8" Text="Do you mean to ask this as a question about SE, or is it a question you want candidates to answer?  If the former, please post a new meta question so that people can answer it there (and so we don't confuse the CM who'll assemble the questionnaire).  Thanks." CreationDate="2019-02-05T23:27:39.853" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17681" PostId="5915" Score="2" Text="I've answered this in [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/48893047#48893047) but feel free to create a meta question if you need more details." CreationDate="2019-02-06T07:54:35.390" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="17737" PostId="5915" Score="0" Text="This is already answered in the [FAQ on Meta Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/75189/who-are-the-diamond-moderators-and-what-is-their-role/75192#75192)." CreationDate="2019-02-10T17:50:31.160" UserId="82289" />
  <row Id="17682" PostId="5917" Score="1" Text="&quot;Questions asking for **advice on a specific choice**, such as what job to take or what skills to learn, are difficult to answer objectively and are rarely useful for anyone else. Instead of asking which decision to make, try asking how to make the decision, or for more specific details about one element of the decision. ([More information](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2693#2695))...&quot;" CreationDate="2019-02-06T08:17:10.493" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17711" PostId="5923" Score="1" Text="Can you explain how you feel this relates to moderation of this site? Are you mostly just curious about what the candidates do? Worth noting, being a moderator doesn't necessarily imply that the person is an expert in the topic. While the &quot;moderator&quot; equivalents on some websites may be the most knowledgeable, that's not actually what moderators do on Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2019-02-08T04:55:13.737" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="17721" PostId="5923" Score="1" Text="I note that answers from persons outside of the computer science industry tend to catch a fair number of down votes on this site and I am curious how much of that stems from a difference of perspective. For example, in software, it's very common for someone to work a job for 2 or 3 years and then move on as SOP, but in other fields like engineering, that's very unusual and indeed undesirable. As a lot of questions focus on perceptions within the field, it can be helpful to have a moderation team that includes a broad expertise to help guide questions and answers as appropriate to the field." CreationDate="2019-02-08T13:40:50.480" UserId="86861" />
  <row Id="17729" PostId="5923" Score="1" Text="Guiding questions and answers isn't something we expect moderators to do *because* they're moderators. All users should be doing this. If someone is a plumber or a teacher or developer, that doesn't really impact how they handle flags for abusive content or decide that something is off topic or maintaining tags or rewriting close reasons. Do you have a specific *diamond moderator* behavior that you feel this impacts? Here's what we expect from our mods: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/site-moderators" CreationDate="2019-02-08T20:19:47.430" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="17730" PostId="5923" Score="0" Text="@Catija from your list, diamond mods are expected to lead by example. If every diamond mod on the stack is in the software field, their posts, comments, flag responses, etc. will be filtered through that background regarding what is reasonable or not based on that field. I believe it is beneficial to see a diverse background in the diamond moderators on a stack dedicated to not just one workplace, but presumably all. What behavior is reasonable in a plumbing office may be completely unreasonable in an accountant's office." CreationDate="2019-02-08T20:32:54.457" UserId="86861" />
  <row Id="17731" PostId="5923" Score="0" Text="You're talking about judging content *validity*. Flags that say &quot;this answer is wrong and should be deleted&quot; are declined specifically because moderators aren't here to judge if content is correct or not. If a comment says &quot;this answer is stupid and you're an idiot for writing it&quot; and that comment is flagged as rude, do you think a plumber or teacher would have a different opinion on that?" CreationDate="2019-02-08T20:37:01.273" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="17732" PostId="5923" Score="0" Text="@Catija, no, I'd expect their response to be the same. But that's a very straightforward case. But what I find odd when I skim through the list of questions is that they all appear to be from office settings only, you very rarely see questions inquiring how to navigate school politics or a plumber's office. You also don't see much in the way of opinions from the public sector. I'm simply seeking to have more diverse viewpoints on the mod team and think it's worth knowing what sort of background candidates have." CreationDate="2019-02-08T20:51:19.867" UserId="86861" />
  <row Id="17733" PostId="5923" Score="0" Text="Regarding a flag that says &quot;this answer is wrong and should be deleted&quot;, well that might be declined because a mod isn't there to judge that. But a mod could leave a comment based on their experience on how to improve the answer. Either citations being required or a request for more information related to personal experience that they know is likely out there based on their own background." CreationDate="2019-02-08T20:52:48.173" UserId="86861" />
  <row Id="17723" PostId="5925" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Fair to VTC for trolling](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5037/fair-to-vtc-for-trolling)" CreationDate="2019-02-08T13:49:25.437" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17715" PostId="5928" Score="0" Text="There is a badge, answer your own question and get 3 or more votes. I assume this makes it okay. Although here on TWP it's not promoted that we post hypothetical questions" CreationDate="2019-02-08T12:49:15.307" UserId="83963" />
  <row Id="17716" PostId="5928" Score="0" Text=":) I forgot about this badge. I was more concerned about the generic nature of the question. I am not speaking about hypothetical questions, I am talking about an umbrella question / answer for many concrete questions." CreationDate="2019-02-08T12:55:55.990" UserId="98881" />
  <row Id="17717" PostId="5928" Score="0" Text="We're still going to get the situation specific ones either way" CreationDate="2019-02-08T13:06:21.403" UserId="83963" />
  <row Id="17718" PostId="5928" Score="0" Text="So you say we should not even try? My idea would be to try once-twice, see how it turns out, and then make a decision." CreationDate="2019-02-08T13:07:51.237" UserId="98881" />
  <row Id="17719" PostId="5928" Score="0" Text="I'm not saying don't try, I'm saying it won't solve most the umbrella question issues. But it's still a reasonable idea in order to help people with a general question" CreationDate="2019-02-08T13:16:10.527" UserId="83963" />
  <row Id="17720" PostId="5928" Score="0" Text="my bad, I understood wrong initially. tnx." CreationDate="2019-02-08T13:17:41.357" UserId="98881" />
  <row Id="17722" PostId="5929" Score="2" Text="It's worth noting that that the efficacy of the former declines if performed simultaneously with the latter." CreationDate="2019-02-08T13:42:51.073" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17724" PostId="5933" Score="2" Text="you are referring to https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/126989/what-can-i-do-about-doing-badly-on-an-impromptu-coding-test, which I agree should remain protected." CreationDate="2019-02-08T14:33:44.407" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="17734" PostId="5934" Score="7" Text="Anonymous edits? I didn't realize that was a thing. I'm surprised that's permitted. Is there a rationale for why?" CreationDate="2019-02-09T18:46:50.643" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17738" PostId="5934" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere Same as regular edits, but I'm a lot more skeptical when I see them. I think this goes back to the early SO days when they were trying to get as many people they could, and part of the appeal was that you didn't need an account to contribute. Or maybe I'm wrong." CreationDate="2019-02-11T09:37:52.470" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="17739" PostId="5934" Score="0" Text="I'm one of those who takes a different view at the value of diversity, as you put it. However, I decided not to challenge your question on those grounds because it was answerable without that, and I'm not happy to see a large part of our community do that. Regardless, I think the question was useful in its own merit, and I hope this doesn't put you off from participating in the future." CreationDate="2019-02-11T10:33:30.627" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="17769" PostId="5934" Score="3" Text="Anonymous edits can come from members of other SE sites, and I've done it in the past. Sometimes I won't sign up to a site, but I'll see a HNQ where there are some grammer / spelling mistakes and I'll suggest and edit to fix it. Despite being a member of other sites, this shows as an anonymous edit, so they don't need to be random Googlers passing by." CreationDate="2019-02-12T23:07:28.483" UserId="39976" />
  <row Id="17812" PostId="5934" Score="3" Text="The reviewers look like they rubber stamp almost anything:&#xA;`J. Chris Compton has approved 65 edit suggestions and rejected 1 edit suggestions --&#xA;gazzz0x2z has approved 363 edit suggestions and rejected 3 edit suggestions and improved 0 edit suggestions`" CreationDate="2019-02-16T01:34:35.293" UserId="81855" />
  <row Id="17819" PostId="5934" Score="3" Text="@GregSchmit there are a lot of people like that. I think stack exchange should monitor their review records and at the very least send them an advisory message." CreationDate="2019-02-16T19:50:48.567" UserId="18463" />
  <row Id="17855" PostId="5934" Score="3" Text="@GregSchmit the statistics you quote omit one important quantity - the number of suggestions they viewed and skipped, because they didn't want to *approve* them but didn't have the time and/or inclination to *improve* them. Sometimes I can see that an edit isn't very good, but I don't have enough specialist knowledge to definitively make it better - so I just skip it." CreationDate="2019-02-19T19:04:37.630" UserId="40357" />
  <row Id="17725" PostId="5935" Score="0" Text="Thanks for your thoughts. Totally understand that human error happens. I guess I was just surprised that it only took two reviews to apply a fully anonymous edit to a protected/controversial post. For some reason I thought there was a higher threshold for anonymous edits, but it looks like I was mistaken." CreationDate="2019-02-08T14:42:08.553" UserId="77738" />
  <row Id="17726" PostId="5935" Score="3" Text="@SamHanley the threshold is the same for anonymous and low-rep edits.  If the threshold were higher for anonymous edits, I think we'd just see more throw-away accounts submitting edits.  We rely on reviewers to catch bad edits, with the author as a fallback, but that's about all we can do right now.  I'm sorry this happened to you." CreationDate="2019-02-08T16:39:43.547" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17727" PostId="5935" Score="4" Text="@MonicaCellio I guess that's true. Thanks! At the end of the day, the edit was only live for something like 17 minutes, so no harm, no foul. It's just a shame that some people seem to have so much time to spend on petty trolling, and that reviewers aren't being as thorough as would be ideal." CreationDate="2019-02-08T17:18:59.387" UserId="77738" />
  <row Id="17852" PostId="5935" Score="1" Text="I think this raises the question of attribution: is it even appropriate (ethically I mean) for others to be able to edit someone else' answer without very very clear indication of what changed?  If I see that Mary posted an answer and John edited it, I don't think &quot;John made substantial changes to the post&quot;.  I think &quot;Mary wrote the content and John tweaked the formatting&quot;.  So the fact that John can substantially change Mary's content without clear attribution to that effect seems ethically wrong to me somehow." CreationDate="2019-02-19T18:27:20.130" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="17853" PostId="5935" Score="1" Text="And it could lead to some really bad situations.  Imagine a troll changes a controversial answer to appear flagrantly racist.  The author discovers and fixes the problem, but not before Internet vigilantes expose author's real identity and begin to ruin his/her real life.  Honestly I don't think this is a question of &quot;if&quot; but of &quot;when&quot; this will happen without a change in the way edits and attribution happen." CreationDate="2019-02-19T18:30:19.480" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="17857" PostId="5935" Score="2" Text="@bob the attribution is in the revision history.  When a post is edited, you'll see &quot;asked/answered by&quot; and &quot;edited by&quot; both, with the latter being the most recent editor." CreationDate="2019-02-19T22:03:40.597" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17858" PostId="5935" Score="1" Text="I'm not saying the information isn't there, I'm saying that it's not evident without some work exactly who authored which parts of the original text--the author or the editor.  Unless I've overlooked it--is the detailed revision history displayed above the post front and center, or does the user have to click and link to view it?" CreationDate="2019-02-19T22:36:41.207" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="17865" PostId="5935" Score="1" Text="@bob: It would be *very* disruptive and not conducive to reading if a long revision history was displayed before every single post with multiple edits. But if there's a clearly inappropriate edit, any semi-experienced SE member that sees it first is likely to check the revision history and immediately rollback the disruptive edit, possibly flagging it for moderator attention as well. Any post that's edited has a link to the revision history in the timestamp where it says, e.g., &quot;edited Feb 8 at 15:34&quot;. It's not hard to find." CreationDate="2019-02-20T05:00:03.183" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="17866" PostId="5935" Score="1" Text="I totally agree--not suggesting that, just using it to point out what I see as a future risk.  Not a problem today, but with the growing trend toward Internet vigilante-ism, and with controversial posts popping up from time to time, it's not hard to imagine someday in the near future someone attacking in this way.  I agree that the problem would be caught quickly, but in the example here, 17 minutes is long enough for the wrong user to decide to &quot;make it right&quot; by naming and shaming without first checking attribution.  Of course that &quot;wrong user&quot; could easily be the user launching the attack." CreationDate="2019-02-20T13:34:25.630" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="23167" PostId="5935" Score="0" Text="@bob I agree with you. I especially was thinking that the user who added the malicious edit could be the same one launching the attack on the original author." CreationDate="2022-01-18T02:03:28.423" UserId="111182" />
  <row Id="23168" PostId="5935" Score="0" Text="@notmySOaccount Right. As much as OP's situation sounds like an issue with a single bad-faith user, in reality I think it's a problem with SO's edit/review system. In my opinion the problem is that it gives the primary author visible full credit for content that almost anyone can edit, with a community roll-back process that while fast, isn't fast enough to prevent the original author from losing face in a truly bad scenario. If we're going to the Wikipedia (community submitted, edited, and reviewed content), then we need to be more like Wikipedia: don't put other people's edits under my name." CreationDate="2022-01-18T14:43:27.333" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="23169" PostId="5935" Score="0" Text="...and if we don't want to be Wikipedia (fully anonymous content with digging required to track down who submitted what), then we need to drastically limit edit powers and add more protections for authors (e.g. having mods review and approve all edits). The current system is the worst of both worlds IMHO and ripe for abuse, as OP's question proves." CreationDate="2022-01-18T14:45:12.333" UserId="43182" />
  <row Id="17801" PostId="5937" Score="0" Text="Indeed. My first thought was &quot;question was protected because it was already attracting attention&quot; (bad attention, more precisely), but doesn't mean it still is." CreationDate="2019-02-14T21:00:32.863" UserId="36643" />
  <row Id="17736" PostId="5938" Score="1" Text="I thought you guys had a special chat for the moderator only stuff?" CreationDate="2019-02-10T11:05:47.263" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17749" PostId="5938" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi Yeah, maaaaybe you missed the point a little over there. :P I think the point here is so that mods can provide easily accessible and organized answers to how it's really like, so that possible candidates as well as others know exactly what's going on without speculating stuff like &quot;ah, it must be a heaven over there...&quot; or &quot;jeez no that's pure hell TWP is known for much drama!&quot;." CreationDate="2019-02-11T21:06:09.767" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="17776" PostId="5938" Score="3" Text="@EKons yeah, it was just my lame attempt at some subtle humour :P" CreationDate="2019-02-13T14:37:13.627" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17809" PostId="5938" Score="0" Text="talking about missing it ;) @EKons" CreationDate="2019-02-15T19:42:41.330" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21195" PostId="5938" Score="0" Text="Does this answer your question? [Current moderators: please tell us about the job](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2476/current-moderators-please-tell-us-about-the-job)" CreationDate="2020-02-13T21:07:52.787" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17867" PostId="5939" Score="1" Text="There's doughnuts?  Yes!" CreationDate="2019-02-20T13:46:02.113" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="17770" PostId="5941" Score="12" Text="It's worth noting [enderland left](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5673/enderlands-two-week-notice) and hasn't been [active since last year](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/users/2322/enderland); however, still an achievement since their contributions are still being found helpful! (I'm sure you all knew this, it's just a FYI to anyone who didn't)" CreationDate="2019-02-13T00:53:12.637" UserId="39976" />
  <row Id="17779" PostId="5941" Score="6" Text="Someone actually cast a CLOSE vote on this.  Amazing." CreationDate="2019-02-13T20:01:29.810" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="17850" PostId="5941" Score="6" Text="@MisterPositive I just cast a VtC. &quot;Well deserved&quot; is obviously &quot;primarily opinion based&quot; :-)" CreationDate="2019-02-19T17:09:50.170" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="17851" PostId="5941" Score="0" Text="@enderland Duh.  I should know that..." CreationDate="2019-02-19T17:27:58.123" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="17745" PostId="5945" Score="0" Text="&quot;However, the problem with openly creating a future hypothetical question is one of scope creep.&quot; - good point!" CreationDate="2019-02-11T16:43:28.687" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17757" PostId="5947" Score="9" Text="I'm afraid you weaken the wisdom of your comments when you repeatedly just post &quot;HR is not your friend&quot; comments. You would be far more effective by giving specific answers instead, perhaps using some of the points you make above as appropriate." CreationDate="2019-02-11T22:37:38.813" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17758" PostId="5947" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere It was talking with you that inspired this post.  So, I agree." CreationDate="2019-02-11T23:37:25.903" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17759" PostId="5947" Score="0" Text="Well okay then. :-)" CreationDate="2019-02-11T23:40:54.827" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17789" PostId="5947" Score="0" Text="This reminded me of [this post](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4935/73791), where an ... attempt was made to make a &quot;canonical&quot; reference for the context of TWP" CreationDate="2019-02-13T22:01:40.060" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17854" PostId="5947" Score="3" Text="Just saying &quot;HR is not your friend&quot; is a smug and reductive quip that doesn't actually explain anything. By the same token, a &quot;canonical answer&quot; doesn't help much either. Isn't it better to just explain why and how, in any specific situation, that going to HR could be a problem for the OP?" CreationDate="2019-02-19T18:32:01.883" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="17856" PostId="5947" Score="2" Text="@teego1967 after you explain it for the 87th time, it begins to grate.  To have something canonical to point to doesn't mean that it is the end all, be all, cast in stone, final authority.  There are numerous articles written about how **HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND** and while true, people tend to miss the nuance that {Not your friend} != {your enemy}." CreationDate="2019-02-19T21:47:45.427" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17860" PostId="5947" Score="0" Text="@RichardU, actually to say something is &quot;canonical&quot;, by definition, means that it *is* the final authority. It's just easier and better to explain why/how in any particular situation that going to HR may or may not be a good idea." CreationDate="2019-02-20T00:36:18.563" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="17861" PostId="5947" Score="1" Text="@teego1967 you can be our official explainer then." CreationDate="2019-02-20T01:19:42.900" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17868" PostId="5947" Score="2" Text="I'd like to point out [this question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/116344/what-are-the-pros-and-cons-of-escalating-a-personnel-conflict-issue-to-hr) as a starting point." CreationDate="2019-02-20T14:40:45.607" UserId="79679" />
  <row Id="20211" PostId="5950" Score="13" Text="WOW. The irony that the Community bot bumped this to the top today of all days is incredible." CreationDate="2019-10-02T14:30:31.610" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="20213" PostId="5950" Score="8" Text="Community bot wants mods today lol XD" CreationDate="2019-10-02T14:37:26.577" UserId="102203" />
  <row Id="20216" PostId="5950" Score="4" Text="I'm guessing anyone self nominating at this point would get the internet equivalent of being booed off the stage." CreationDate="2019-10-02T17:08:11.620" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="20218" PostId="5950" Score="1" Text="@Myles This election ended in February; it's probably just a coincidence that it was automatically bumped to the front page today. (The title was originally just &quot;2019 Community Moderator Election,&quot; but I added the month to it in the hopes of reducing the potential for confusion.)" CreationDate="2019-10-02T17:52:38.517" UserId="37930" />
  <row Id="20219" PostId="5950" Score="1" Text="@TannerSwett Wise edit, and definitely just a coincidence. Still pretty hilarious though!" CreationDate="2019-10-02T19:22:41.680" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="20222" PostId="5950" Score="0" Text="@Myles so, the questionn is:  WHO WANTS TO BE THE OFFICIAL SPEAR-CATHER?" CreationDate="2019-10-02T20:21:14.780" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20227" PostId="5950" Score="0" Text="LOL This is SO ironic. Makes me wonder if it's actually coincidence..." CreationDate="2019-10-03T07:46:40.760" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="17747" PostId="5953" Score="13" Text="All nominations are self-nominations.  If there's somebody you'd like to see stand for election, please encourage the person to nominate.  (If the person is active in chat, try there.)" CreationDate="2019-02-11T20:42:15.533" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17748" PostId="5953" Score="6" Text="Thank you for your comment which is an answer to my &quot;answer&quot; which was a question to a statement which was not a question! :)" CreationDate="2019-02-11T20:44:04.640" UserId="33247" />
  <row Id="17838" PostId="5953" Score="1" Text="I LOL'ed way harder than I should have with this last comment" CreationDate="2019-02-19T00:21:28.200" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17752" PostId="5954" Score="2" Text="I know I'm one of the primary offenders of **&quot;HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND&quot;** but I realized that this will probably just make people afraid of going to HR when the situation does in fact call for it." CreationDate="2019-02-11T21:48:17.640" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17753" PostId="5954" Score="1" Text="@RichardU Yeah, I think that a canonical post would really help with that. I know I'd like to have one that I could just link to. I'm probably not the best person to write that, though. Would it be worth creating a question?" CreationDate="2019-02-11T22:15:43.967" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="17755" PostId="5954" Score="1" Text="@RichardU Proposed title of canonical post: &quot;When, if ever, is HR your friend?&quot;" CreationDate="2019-02-11T22:18:50.533" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="17760" PostId="5954" Score="2" Text="I'm not a fan of canonical answers in general, and definitely not in this case. Working/not working with HR is a complex issue, not well solved by any one single answer, IMHO. I think we'd be better served by discussing HR in the context of questions where it is appropriate." CreationDate="2019-02-11T23:43:31.127" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17766" PostId="5954" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Isn't it possible to write at least *some* kind of general advice, though? &quot;What kinds of things should I get H.R. involved in?&quot; seems like something you could supply at least some information about (e.g. the list in the OP's question). Besides, other sites have canonical posts for issues that come up all the time that have worked well - at a minimum, they provide dupe targets for questions that get asked a zillion times a day." CreationDate="2019-02-12T16:22:21.003" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="17767" PostId="5954" Score="1" Text="@EJoshuaS- sure, you can always write general advice. In this case, I have a hard time imagining how useful such highly-generalized advice would be, and a list of a dozen or so possible points tells me that most of them won't apply to a given question. No matter - if someone actually write it, we'll get to see what it's worth." CreationDate="2019-02-12T17:00:58.060" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17768" PostId="5954" Score="1" Text="I personally find the &quot;HR is not your friend&quot; line fairly helpful, as I've met plenty of people who held the mentioned misconceptions. As a side note, if anyone on this stack ever advises me to get HR involved, I will not hesitate." CreationDate="2019-02-12T19:57:46.943" UserId="76158" />
  <row Id="17750" PostId="5955" Score="1" Text="Probably, yes. The site is called &quot;The Workplace&quot;... So, if we rearrange the sentence it'd read &quot;The 2019 community moderator election on The Workplace is underway...&quot; Or, even &quot;The 2019 The Workplace community...&quot;  I'm guessing that none of y'all'd have an issue with this, so, by turning &quot;The Workplace&quot; into an adjective would retain the &quot;The&quot;." CreationDate="2019-02-11T21:32:48.503" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="17754" PostId="5956" Score="1" Text="Wouldn't the second one be more of a canonical post on Meta (rather than on the main site)?" CreationDate="2019-02-11T22:17:41.540" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="17756" PostId="5956" Score="0" Text="@EJoshuaS:  I don't think that'd work *as* well given that this information would be buried.  To be fair, the Help Center on network sites *is* plenty buried, but putting it on Meta would further reduce the eyeballs on it." CreationDate="2019-02-11T22:20:48.817" UserId="2909" />
  <row Id="17771" PostId="5957" Score="0" Text="3.,4.,7. Don't you think one problem particularly endemic on WP.SE is where the question title, question context, and question body are three separate/incompatible/conflicting things? Just today saw [yet another example](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/128858/how-can-i-stop-my-boss-in-germany-from-bullying-me-without-worsening-my-future-j). In such cases, comments are not the problem, merely a *symptom* of a woefully unclear question. The comments are actively attempting to help remedy things. But what's the solution? (taking a chainsaw to the comments ain't it) Putting on hold?" CreationDate="2019-02-13T01:48:51.410" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="17772" PostId="5957" Score="0" Text="@smci I think there's no moderator induced shortcut to that problem. People who understand what OP wants (or they need to find out) need to edit the question and title to fit the context and what OP is looking for. Generally, this community is already pretty good at that, but it's just a fundamental challenge of the subject matter" CreationDate="2019-02-13T07:56:33.580" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="17778" PostId="5957" Score="0" Text="@Magisch: I'm saying I very strongly oppose 7. a new flag *&quot;This post is generating a high amount of off-topic discussion&quot;*, since it would be heavily misused. And doesn't really add much. I don't deny there's some amount of off-topic discussion, but it's very common to dismiss on-topic discussion as being off-topic. If your intent is to flag troll and/or bad HNQ questions (which admittedly is a problem), then I'd address that more directly." CreationDate="2019-02-13T19:14:45.393" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="17788" PostId="5957" Score="1" Text="And here's a [blatant example](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/128816/what-to-do-when-an-employee-on-sick-leave-has-important-data-and-isnt-respondin) of vague/conflicting question details, inadequate context, made worse by user edits. Agreed this is not a moderator issue, but it's a PITA on WP.SE, esp. when this is amplified by HNQ. How has that question not been put on hold yet? Do people see this as a major issue with WP? (I do)" CreationDate="2019-02-13T21:26:46.573" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="17793" PostId="5957" Score="2" Text="You seem to have a pretty strong opinion on the HNQ stuff. Unsure we need a block of mods trying to force their agenda on that issue. Consensus in TWP so far (not IP) is for it to remain as normal." CreationDate="2019-02-14T07:06:50.967" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17794" PostId="5957" Score="6" Text="@Kilisi I'm not interested in forcing my opinion on the HNQ issue. As far as I'm concerned, the community here has reached a consensus to leave it as it is. Moderators aren't supposed to force policy anyways, their job is at most guiding the community towards a consensus (which has happened, so)" CreationDate="2019-02-14T07:13:32.490" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="17795" PostId="5957" Score="1" Text="@Magisch cool, just clearing that up" CreationDate="2019-02-14T07:33:26.540" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17800" PostId="5957" Score="0" Text="@smci Those questions you linked to are not particularly troublesome." CreationDate="2019-02-14T16:52:39.700" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17775" PostId="5959" Score="0" Text="One more needed" CreationDate="2019-02-13T14:32:40.907" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17777" PostId="5961" Score="0" Text="Voted to re-open" CreationDate="2019-02-13T16:42:43.610" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="17780" PostId="5964" Score="1" Text="I think it's more used as &quot;WHAT ARE YOU DOING!!!! DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING YOURSELF IN FOR?&quot;  At least that's the case when I've used it." CreationDate="2019-02-13T20:06:16.697" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17781" PostId="5964" Score="6" Text="Which is still discouraging people from going to HR." CreationDate="2019-02-13T20:11:03.977" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="17782" PostId="5964" Score="0" Text="If they're going in to tattle on Biff, who said something outside of work hours, not at a company function, which would be interpreted as petty and troublesome, they should absolutely be discouraged from going to HR" CreationDate="2019-02-13T20:20:18.040" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17783" PostId="5964" Score="1" Text="I agree, but it's not usually that, and in those cases &quot;Don't abuse HR&quot; would be much more appropriate." CreationDate="2019-02-13T20:21:33.477" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="17784" PostId="5964" Score="0" Text="Thus, this discussion" CreationDate="2019-02-13T20:25:44.277" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17785" PostId="5964" Score="0" Text="+1, btw, just so you don't think I'm being belligerent" CreationDate="2019-02-13T20:30:18.273" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17786" PostId="5964" Score="0" Text="+1 for your question too." CreationDate="2019-02-13T21:10:19.703" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="17787" PostId="5964" Score="1" Text="How about &quot;HR is not your school counselor&quot; ?" CreationDate="2019-02-13T21:23:04.343" UserId="91309" />
  <row Id="17792" PostId="5964" Score="0" Text="I'd think that &quot;HR cannot be everyone's friend&quot; is a pretty good fit." CreationDate="2019-02-14T00:43:43.223" UserId="99101" />
  <row Id="17790" PostId="5965" Score="0" Text="&quot;They are just private sector clerks dealing with bureaucracy.&quot; - that's a rather narrow definition, and rather condescending at that. Many HR reps are far more than that, in my experience." CreationDate="2019-02-13T23:11:29.640" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17791" PostId="5965" Score="0" Text="Why is that? Clerkship has a bad rep as convoluted paper pushing but it is much more than that as well. HR serves the same function -- dealing with people and dealing with bureaucracy to make sure company goals are met" CreationDate="2019-02-14T00:30:19.840" UserId="91309" />
  <row Id="17796" PostId="5967" Score="1" Text="No, this is not what tag descriptions are for. Tag descriptions should only be used to define when and why a tag should be applied to a question, not to define and describe the term itself. See this [guidance on Meta](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/40/a-note-on-tag-wiki-excerpts)" CreationDate="2019-02-14T13:25:53.283" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17797" PostId="5967" Score="1" Text="On the post you linked, they insisted specially on the tag excerpt. In the full description of the tag, you can add more information. See the comment from your link `Tag excepts describe why you would use a tag. The full tag wikis are free to later go into much greater detail and are often used to greatly expound on the subject and point out other resources for those interested in the subject. See: stackoverflow.com/tags/android/info`" CreationDate="2019-02-14T13:29:07.683" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17798" PostId="5967" Score="1" Text="Ah, sorry, I always forget that there are two different tag descriptions. I would still say that it's not the place to give general advice on how to approach HR. The wiki should be more about objectively defining and describing what HR is. People are going to have different opinions on when and how to approach HR, and it's going to vary by situation, so those types of recommendations would be better suited as answers where people can comment and vote on them." CreationDate="2019-02-14T13:45:53.247" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17799" PostId="5967" Score="0" Text="Well I see more the tag description to something like &quot;in what topics the human resources can be sollicited&quot;." CreationDate="2019-02-14T13:55:48.337" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17832" PostId="5968" Score="1" Text="&quot;I think we need to do a better job of working with the user in editing the question into shape whenever possible FIRST. If the user doesn't work with us, or a clearly answerable question cannot be cobbled together, then putting the question on hold is the appropriate action.&quot; - In fact, this is precisely what putting the question on hold is for. If questions require significant changes to be answerable/on-topic here, then they should be closed until those changes can be made. (If it requires much more minor editing to be workable, of course, closure may not be necessary.)" CreationDate="2019-02-18T20:11:43.677" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="17833" PostId="5968" Score="0" Text="(Relevant help page: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/closed-questions)" CreationDate="2019-02-18T20:12:25.407" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="17835" PostId="5968" Score="0" Text="You emphasize in #6 (another mod closed a question you disagree with) that it's *not a time bound issue* but in many cases it is, with content getting autodeleted. Moderators can undelete, but the text seems a little misleading as-is." CreationDate="2019-02-18T20:27:30.027" UserId="37509" />
  <row Id="17836" PostId="5968" Score="0" Text="@WBT My main point is that on #6 the situation is that I somehow am notified of the closed question, I can take the time to get input from my peers in a case where the correct course of action is not obvious.  I don't think this happens very much, but when it does - *especially early on in my moderator career*, I would like the input of my peers and in this situation there is no harm in waiting to get it.  I hope that clears it up and thank you." CreationDate="2019-02-18T22:00:24.947" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="17803" PostId="5970" Score="5" Text="Keep in mind comments are **never** permanent.  Unlike answers they can be swept away with the garbage collector." CreationDate="2019-02-15T12:56:14.913" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="17807" PostId="5971" Score="0" Text="another good reason why comments should go away.\" CreationDate="2019-02-15T16:38:42.380" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17808" PostId="5972" Score="0" Text="My comment was not a counter argument." CreationDate="2019-02-15T18:49:46.747" UserId="44698" />
  <row Id="17810" PostId="5972" Score="0" Text="@NonCreature0714 &quot;Provide an alternative perspective&quot;, then.  The point remains." CreationDate="2019-02-15T20:57:55.637" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17811" PostId="5972" Score="0" Text="What I meant was, I was supporting the answer b/c the answer provided was itself an alternative perspective that I agreed with &amp; was representative of myself as a non-traditional hire in tech (older than 35, military vet, non-bachelor holding). So rather than post a repetitive answer, I voiced my support b/c I am a diversity hire which the answer sought to represent. The answer stated that hiring more diversely means redefining interview success &amp; I agreed. I don’t mean to antagonize, but I’m a little annoyed at what I perceive as your dismissive attitude. Did you even read my deleted comment?" CreationDate="2019-02-15T22:49:13.797" UserId="44698" />
  <row Id="17814" PostId="5972" Score="0" Text="Any inferences you draw about any mindset of mine, are your own.  You asked a question, I answered." CreationDate="2019-02-16T02:04:19.240" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17815" PostId="5972" Score="0" Text="But you didn’t answer my question." CreationDate="2019-02-16T02:05:15.760" UserId="44698" />
  <row Id="17816" PostId="5972" Score="0" Text="I want to say, because I think it’s pretty easy to read this all negatively, that I really like your final point — not giving away answers for free. I commented because I wanted to support one answer over another, and thought the answerer said it better than I could." CreationDate="2019-02-16T02:22:15.033" UserId="44698" />
  <row Id="17817" PostId="5972" Score="2" Text="@NonCreature0714 While you are debating this answer, [this answer is really the core of the issue](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5971/14273): Comments are ephemeral and not ever considered permanent. Their deletion is something that should never be taken personally for any reason. I often get comments on answers I believe are helpful and I get comments I believe are nonsense; I often flag both to prevent some endless comment thread. If you have an additional perspective that veers away from the answer you are posting on, just post a new answer referring to the other answer." CreationDate="2019-02-16T03:37:46.623" UserId="14273" />
  <row Id="17818" PostId="5972" Score="3" Text="@NonCreature0714 Comments are not for supporting answers, comments are not for disparaging answers.  They are for improving answers.  They are regularly deleted for any or no reason.  It's probably a good idea to avoid them in general." CreationDate="2019-02-16T13:14:53.427" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17825" PostId="5974" Score="10" Text="@JoeStrazzere Sigh!  Trying to prevent the edit war was exactly why I asked the question :-(.  Reach consensus on what the best question would like like and *then* edit it." CreationDate="2019-02-18T14:01:59.230" UserId="47492" />
  <row Id="17829" PostId="5974" Score="2" Text="I think a good mod will know how to decide if editing a question to their liking is enough reason for rendering a perfectly valid answer invalid as a result." CreationDate="2019-02-18T18:00:15.660" UserDisplayName="user22159" />
  <row Id="17899" PostId="5974" Score="2" Text="Please keep in mind that it is perfectly ok to edit the question to be the best question it can be, regardless if it does in fact invalidate an answer.  I have had a popular answer of my recently deleted on another stack because of a edit to the question that made the question better while making my answer a whole lot less useful.  I did not like the rep hit, but in the end it was the **right course of action**." CreationDate="2019-02-22T15:40:38.080" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="17828" PostId="5976" Score="13" Text="Agreed. We're not editing books, but questions. The edit took so much out of the original question, I thought I was seeing things when I read the answer." CreationDate="2019-02-18T17:57:06.693" UserDisplayName="user22159" />
  <row Id="17830" PostId="5976" Score="4" Text="I disagree.  Monica's edit was much better in getting to the root of the question and not all the un-necessary stuff.  Not down-voting, just sharing my opinon." CreationDate="2019-02-18T18:08:58.853" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="17839" PostId="5976" Score="19" Text="How is &quot;don't be so immature&quot; in any way a useful answer? Is anyone asking questions here with the premise, &quot;should I be this immature?&quot; Isn't it infinitely more likely that folks desperately *want* to be more mature, *want* to be professional, but... don't know what that entails? Isn't a helpful answer one that can empathize with precisely that sort of ignorance, one that can teach?" CreationDate="2019-02-19T00:45:09.040" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="17840" PostId="5976" Score="5" Text="@Shog9 &quot;Don't be so immature&quot; in exactly those words would not be a good answer.  However a helpful answer which addressed the immaturity would be.  I was trying to indicate the direction of the answer, not the full text." CreationDate="2019-02-19T05:28:41.063" UserId="47492" />
  <row Id="17841" PostId="5976" Score="3" Text="@MisterPositive I encourage you to downvote if you disagree - that's how we can see what the community consensus is. (As I write, this is level pegging with Monica's answer.  If that's because those who disagree are not down voting, that is misleading.)" CreationDate="2019-02-19T05:30:34.437" UserId="47492" />
  <row Id="17847" PostId="5976" Score="6" Text="@MartinBonner do note that community consensus is important as a source of *input*, but this isn't a democracy.  If the community decides it wants to be a &quot;shits-and-giggles, pass the popcorn&quot; site, that doesn't mean it'll happen.  I'm serious when I say that I tried for the *least invasive change* to address this problem.  At other times questions like this have simply been deleted." CreationDate="2019-02-19T15:21:43.883" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17848" PostId="5976" Score="10" Text="Maybe you wanna elaborate a bit on why that direction is useful then, @Martin. Imagine for a minute that the question isn't entirely contrived, that real people are really in this situation: explain how the answer is helping?" CreationDate="2019-02-19T15:49:18.500" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="17891" PostId="5976" Score="0" Text="The term immature here seems wrong. I have a feeling OP wasn't a native speaker (although certainly very proficient!). I think &quot;embarrassing behavior&quot; = &quot;unprofessional behavior&quot; (as in behavior Hans should have been ashamed of)" CreationDate="2019-02-21T23:16:07.837" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="17826" PostId="5977" Score="0" Text="last 2 edits have been rolled back (including yours)." CreationDate="2019-02-18T16:49:10.503" UserId="663" />
  <row Id="17827" PostId="5977" Score="0" Text="Thanks for the reply." CreationDate="2019-02-18T17:15:57.837" UserId="47492" />
  <row Id="17831" PostId="5977" Score="17" Text="The major concern I had with your edit wasn't the removal of story, it was the dramatic change in tone.  Tone can imply some pretty significant things about the attitude that a poster is bringing to the question, and the ways that they have acted already (and not particularly talked about).  Difference in tone can call for significant difference in answer.  As far as &quot;my edit makes that more likely&quot;, do you feel that the original top-voted answer at the time of your edit was insufficient to their needs?  If not, then how would an edit make it more likely?" CreationDate="2019-02-18T19:34:20.703" UserId="77221" />
  <row Id="17843" PostId="5977" Score="7" Text="At first, I was against the edit. It removed a lot of nuance from the question. However, upon reflection I more and more agree with the edit. Yes, there was nuance that can influence answers but almost all of it is actually going to lead to *worse* answers as they focus on the nuance, not the core of the question. The only detail that I think might be relevant is the time tracking of the bathroom breaks. Mostly because that should be advised against." CreationDate="2019-02-19T08:09:41.327" UserId="36224" />
  <row Id="17844" PostId="5977" Score="4" Text="Wait, you're basically suggesting that it's *better* to have *boring* questions with minimal details to keep the question generic enough for a &quot;general-purpose&quot; answer than to have a question with realistic and interesting details?? That just seems strange and wrong. People coming here looking for answers are able see what aspects of a question apply to their scenario even if there's realistic details in the way. In fact, users are *more* frustrated by overly aggressive closing/editing and marking-as-dupe than they are by an occasional poorly-framed question." CreationDate="2019-02-19T13:15:10.410" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="17846" PostId="5977" Score="3" Text="We cannot expect new users to know which details are relevant and which are not, so it is our job as a community to request additional information where needed, edit (ruthlessly if needed), and otherwise help the OP *get a helpful answer to the question, instead of being a source of jollies for the Internet*." CreationDate="2019-02-19T15:20:21.010" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17870" PostId="5977" Score="0" Text="@teego1967 I would not be so fast to call it that much a subjective judgement. Since we're at the workplace, edit like that should remove fluff like blaming, names and so on and focus on the fact. And edit that remove fluff and let only facts is not a subjective edit." CreationDate="2019-02-21T08:07:01.297" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17874" PostId="5977" Score="1" Text="I'm not convinced that we need to completely edit personality out of every question.  The &quot;entertaining&quot; aspect of a lot of these questions is [what makes them interesting to read](https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/10/15/painless-functional-specifications-part-4-tips/).  I feel like we can [edit a question to remove offensive material while keeping the flavor of the question intact](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/128417/how-to-retain-a-healthy-relationship-with-colleagues-after-beating-them-at-golf)." CreationDate="2019-02-21T12:13:42.950" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="17877" PostId="5977" Score="0" Text="@Kyralessa we don't need to edit all personality and background out of every question, but it should be the garnish to the actual question, not the full meal at the all-you-can-eat buffet.  When the question is getting buried or the personality takes over to the point that people interact with *that* instead of the *question*, it's too much." CreationDate="2019-02-21T14:35:43.370" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17886" PostId="5977" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio, This post and another have led me to [ask about this site's editing policy](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5988).  Your input (and that of other moderators) would be appreciated." CreationDate="2019-02-21T19:36:52.840" UserId="97180" />
  <row Id="17893" PostId="5977" Score="4" Text="Call me paranoid, but this level of compelling story and &quot;worldbuilding&quot; as you neatly put it (followed up by an edit essentially vindicating the OP, after being given the metaphorical &quot;smack-down&quot;) makes it look more like a creative writing exercise than a real question about something that happened. Or perhaps I am biased from seeing various subreddits overwhelmed by this kind of thing. I don't know. :/" CreationDate="2019-02-22T06:30:23.377" UserId="42248" />
  <row Id="17894" PostId="5977" Score="2" Text="Honestly, I'm kinda here for the entertainment (though I agree it's not the purpose of the site)." CreationDate="2019-02-22T07:17:16.617" UserId="71291" />
  <row Id="17859" PostId="5981" Score="3" Text="Ah.... screenshot next time" CreationDate="2019-02-19T23:03:51.753" UserId="34533" />
  <row Id="17878" PostId="5983" Score="2" Text="voted, you need 2 more" CreationDate="2019-02-21T15:31:25.520" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17883" PostId="5983" Score="2" Text="This question has been reopened.  Good edit, BTW" CreationDate="2019-02-21T17:50:02.680" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17871" PostId="5985" Score="1" Text="1. Everybody works somewhere.  That makes any question about work company-specific.  2. The question wasn't _only_ about ISO compliance.  It makes no sense to close the whole question due to a small part of it.  The rest can be answered normally (and was).  3. I guess you'd have to ask the OP.  But again, it's possible to answer the fundamental issue (&quot;Has anyone had this kind of problem and can you suggest any way to proceed to get some of these issues fixed?&quot;) without getting hung up on the union or ISO issues." CreationDate="2019-02-21T09:56:21.587" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="17872" PostId="5985" Score="0" Text="However, I edited the question to take out the union and ISO stuff, so please have a look and see whether it alleviates those issues." CreationDate="2019-02-21T10:03:01.653" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="17876" PostId="5985" Score="1" Text="The edited question is more than on topic.  The original was as well.  Just because something is outside the realm of IT doesn't make it off topic." CreationDate="2019-02-21T14:11:11.740" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17880" PostId="5985" Score="0" Text="@JBH It sounds like you're saying no one should ever edit any question on the site.  That can't be what you mean, can it?" CreationDate="2019-02-21T15:59:01.727" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="17882" PostId="5985" Score="1" Text="@JBH please remember the &quot;be nice&quot; rule here.  If you disagree with an edit, flag it for a moderator, do not be rude to the person doing the edit." CreationDate="2019-02-21T17:42:56.213" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17884" PostId="5985" Score="1" Text="Also, the question has been reopened thanks to this good edit.  It did not change the intent and you don't need an OP's permission to edit.  @Kyralessa made a good faith edit that made the question more generic, and thus answerable." CreationDate="2019-02-21T17:51:52.460" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17885" PostId="5985" Score="2" Text="@RichardU, um, wait a minute.  The [help] specifically states that editing should &quot;clarify the meaning of the post (without *changing* that meaning).&quot;  By removing the ISO reference in the question, Kyralessa changed the question's meaning." CreationDate="2019-02-21T18:52:37.900" UserId="97180" />
  <row Id="17887" PostId="5985" Score="3" Text="Kyralessa, @RichardU, this post and another have led me to [ask this question about the site's editing policy](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5988).  Your input would be appreciated." CreationDate="2019-02-21T19:38:21.467" UserId="97180" />
  <row Id="17889" PostId="5986" Score="0" Text="I like it, thank you" CreationDate="2019-02-21T21:42:46.120" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17888" PostId="5988" Score="1" Text="My impression is that more substantial edits are common here, e. g. [this](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/112404/revisions). A former mod [wrote](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4843/75187) about troll questions: &quot;Another approach is massively editing the question. The reason trolling is even effective is that questions normally have some level of meaningful &quot;real&quot; question in them - otherwise they'd just get closed. Editing to remove the fluff/details often can help here to sanitize a question (often this can be done and then the question is a more clear duplicate).&quot;" CreationDate="2019-02-21T21:30:18.863" UserId="75187" />
  <row Id="17905" PostId="5988" Score="1" Text="@F1Krazy, if we were speaking about the OP you'd be absolutely correct.  Now, if you posted a question that was off-topic, and someone gave a 3rd party advice about why your question was off-topic, and that 3rd party took it upon themselves to change your question to make it on-topic - but in the process *changed the question such that it was no longer what you, the OP, asked in the first place.*  Out of curiosity, would you have the same feelings on the matter?" CreationDate="2019-02-23T14:20:19.280" UserId="97180" />
  <row Id="17909" PostId="5988" Score="4" Text="Why cannot they both be right?" CreationDate="2019-02-24T13:30:50.513" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="17910" PostId="5988" Score="0" Text="@HorusKol because it appears to me that one is in compliance with SE's editing policy and one is not.  If they are both right, it requires the community to explain how that has come to pass." CreationDate="2019-02-24T18:07:24.600" UserId="97180" />
  <row Id="17942" PostId="5988" Score="0" Text="Guidelines cannot cover all possibles cases. We could discuss whether the second post change the intent of the question. but that's not important. We are a community with guidelines, we can just discuss the case that are borderlines here on meta. If the community and OP and answerers agree then it's fine." CreationDate="2019-02-27T13:37:13.377" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="17890" PostId="5989" Score="1" Text="Perhaps we need another question about this site's use of the &quot;be nice&quot; policy.  You'll notice I rolled back your edits (to a question about the site's editing policy, you don't lack chutzpah).  But the user names are readily and publicly available through the links in my post and their use here is factual and civil, so I rolled your edits back.  Edits being used to remove user references is not addressed in the [help] and while I understand your point on the Main site, the point of Meta is to talk openly about policies and the culture of this Stack." CreationDate="2019-02-21T21:47:45.430" UserId="97180" />
  <row Id="17897" PostId="5989" Score="2" Text="@JBH the best way to sum up the Be Nice policy is with Rabbi Hillel's Silver rule.  &quot;“What is hateful to you, do not to your neighbor:&quot;  You know that it's not nice to drag people's names out and berate them.  At least I hope you do." CreationDate="2019-02-22T13:42:40.607" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17908" PostId="5989" Score="3" Text="I don't believe I did &quot;drag people's names out and berate them.&quot;  If my own name were presented in a manner like this (and it has) I would not (did not and do not) consider it hateful.  I do not believe I have overstepped the good Rabbi's rule at all." CreationDate="2019-02-23T20:29:08.253" UserId="97180" />
  <row Id="17911" PostId="5989" Score="2" Text="@JBH Here's a good rule of thumb.  If adding a person's name contributes nothing, don't add it.  Your adding that user's name is essentially a call-out, and shaming behavior." CreationDate="2019-02-25T13:21:15.623" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17917" PostId="5989" Score="2" Text="No, Richard.  You're being overly sensitive on someonelse's behalf.  Please focus on the question.  Curiously, your answer suggests you were distracted by background information.  Does this site's editing policy vary from SE's?" CreationDate="2019-02-25T15:24:54.450" UserId="97180" />
  <row Id="17918" PostId="5989" Score="1" Text="@JBH this may be the first time the word sensitive has ever been applied to me in an un-ironic manner...  listen to me or don't  it's bad form in the very least, but the mods will make the ultimate call.  Personally, I think it's bullying behavior, but that's just my opinion for what it is worth, or is not." CreationDate="2019-02-25T15:28:59.573" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17940" PostId="5989" Score="2" Text="@JBH, given that I've been chastised before (here on The Workplace!) for calling out users by name, I'm rather surprised you seem to have gotten away with it.  And the way I did it was a lot more subtle than the way you've done it." CreationDate="2019-02-27T13:18:20.243" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="17904" PostId="5990" Score="0" Text="So which is it? &quot;never visit again&quot; or &quot;sit back and watch the mountain&quot;? Or perhaps it's not possible to know? Whatever the case, a site with &quot;straightforward questions and straightforward answers&quot; would be not only boring as heck, but also not reflective of the *very* *not* straightforward problems that people face at work. If the problems that cause people to ask questions were straightforward, there would be no reason to ask, right? Sometimes its better to relax the moderation, and let the readers decide what's worthy or not worthy." CreationDate="2019-02-22T21:08:52.203" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="17906" PostId="5991" Score="1" Text="Does that mean any new question regarding &quot;getting back to the workplace and/or switching careers&quot; would be quickly marked as a duplicate by the quick-close crew? Does the Workplace actually have any canonical questions/answers yet? If so where? I'm skeptical of the value (at least for this forum) of these sorts of answers." CreationDate="2019-02-23T19:20:44.227" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17907" PostId="5991" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Id say that the Hit by a Bus is quite canonical. I'm sure there are others but can't search easily in mobile... Still, I do believe that we should handle these individually as they come" CreationDate="2019-02-23T19:47:16.690" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17900" PostId="5992" Score="0" Text="There are some things that I find I've pointed out repeatedly, such as networking (fairly universal), Volunteering(ditto), informational interviews(fairly universal as well) and outreach methods." CreationDate="2019-02-22T20:53:51.373" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17901" PostId="5992" Score="0" Text="I also think those are valid things to know when attempting career switch or reentry to workplace. What I don't know how is a way to phrase such canonical post in a way that it's not *too broad* or generic/universal, so it is not off-topic... Can you think of a way to phrase it and avoid it being too broad vtc-worthy?" CreationDate="2019-02-22T20:56:13.220" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17902" PostId="5992" Score="0" Text="That's what I was hoping to get help with in here ;/" CreationDate="2019-02-22T21:03:57.940" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17903" PostId="5992" Score="0" Text="Currently, I can't think of a way. But I will give it a thought and try to come up with one :)" CreationDate="2019-02-22T21:06:44.423" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17912" PostId="5993" Score="0" Text="I have a surprisingly wide knowledge of all of those." CreationDate="2019-02-25T14:33:12.480" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17913" PostId="5993" Score="0" Text="@For the jail term, I'd tell them to reach out to various groups that specifically hire ex cons.  Some of them started by ex-cons.  In general, contracting and self-employment are also good venues.  Contacting churches helps as well." CreationDate="2019-02-25T14:34:26.393" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17915" PostId="5993" Score="0" Text="@RichardU location specific, lots of places they're better off keeping quiet about it, only group interested would be police. eg,. my country gets hundreds of deportees from America and Australia and New Zealand who in lieu of doing years for serious crimes take a one way ticket to a Pacific Island. These people are drug addicts, sex offenders and worse and won't find a job if people know they're deportees. So while you could make an answer to cover everything it would be a few books long" CreationDate="2019-02-25T15:09:51.473" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17916" PostId="5993" Score="1" Text="time for me to write a few books then ;)" CreationDate="2019-02-25T15:24:52.543" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17919" PostId="5993" Score="1" Text="Go for it mate, bound to be interesting" CreationDate="2019-02-25T15:30:05.267" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17920" PostId="5994" Score="1" Text="+1 for noting the close police.  very good point" CreationDate="2019-02-25T16:28:42.863" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17921" PostId="5995" Score="1" Text="Using Google to translate the English to Japanese doesn't come very close to the suggestion (as far as I know) - result is: &quot;Jibun de ganbaritai to omotte iru no o hikaete imasu.&quot;  A couple of similar words is all." CreationDate="2019-02-25T18:41:04.967" UserId="68513" />
  <row Id="17922" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="Good catch! I left a comment on that answer asking for clarification from the author." CreationDate="2019-02-25T19:34:14.257" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17925" PostId="5995" Score="1" Text="Looks like some other folks commented and clarified, and everything looks good." CreationDate="2019-02-25T21:05:20.257" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17928" PostId="5995" Score="0" Text="Thanks to all.  I was mostly looking for general advice, and DakCygnus seems to have consensus with &quot;skip it&quot; if you don't know.  I wasn't really worried about approving a troll in this case, since the person is in Japan and could spot anything that was wrong (at least as far as &quot;troll level&quot; wrong vs. incorrect). Thanks also to @DavidK for the (obvious in hindsight) good move to comment on the post." CreationDate="2019-02-26T01:13:27.023" UserId="68513" />
  <row Id="17929" PostId="5995" Score="4" Text="FYI: machine translations are notoriously poor at handling Japanese so shouldn't ever be trusted with it. And while the poster is sufficiently credentialed that it shouldn't really matter, I can confirm that the language used is correct. This does raise an interesting question on the use of non-English in answers I suppose. As I recall it's been discussed before and considered a non-issue that can be handled case-by-case if necessary." CreationDate="2019-02-26T10:20:22.370" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17937" PostId="5995" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal As the native speakers of Japanese pointed out in the comments, though, there are multiple serious problems with the Japanese in the post.  Since the comments have been moved to chat and the problems remain, I'm not sure what to do.  Presumably leaving the comments again isn't the right behavior, but the post does suggest saying something you should not, in fact, say.  (Andrew T's edit says &quot;clarified by native Japanese on the comment thread&quot;, but the edit doesn't take what they said into account, so I'm not sure why it says that.)" CreationDate="2019-02-27T03:35:40.633" UserDisplayName="user38444" />
  <row Id="17938" PostId="5995" Score="1" Text="@snailboat I imagine it's by no means perfect Japanese despite being grammatically correct, but we are not [japanese.se]. Assuming it's a matter of &quot;Well, you'll be understood but there is a better way to phrase this&quot; and not &quot;This is actually incredibly rude / profane&quot; I don't see why anything else should be done on this site. If you want to open that topic for discussion it'd be best to start a separate question on that." CreationDate="2019-02-27T09:57:35.217" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17923" PostId="5996" Score="1" Text="We could also ask for help from the folks at [japanese.se], but I don't know how active their chatroom is." CreationDate="2019-02-25T19:34:35.367" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17924" PostId="5996" Score="0" Text="Good idea. I also ignore how active they are, nor have I ever joined that room" CreationDate="2019-02-25T19:35:07.163" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17926" PostId="5996" Score="1" Text="Looks like some other folks commented and clarified, and everything looks good." CreationDate="2019-02-25T21:06:53.973" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17927" PostId="5996" Score="1" Text="Great! Seems that indeed Google/Bing was failing on this translation... and also that answer's OP posted in good faith :)" CreationDate="2019-02-25T21:09:04.270" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18006" PostId="5996" Score="1" Text="In my experience (mostly French and Spanish), google is bad but bing is truly atrocious, like google circa 1995.  Please don't use bing :-)" CreationDate="2019-03-08T00:08:51.423" UserDisplayName="user90842" />
  <row Id="17930" PostId="5997" Score="7" Text="Well done Mister Positive!" CreationDate="2019-02-26T20:02:18.430" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="17931" PostId="5997" Score="5" Text="Congratulations!" CreationDate="2019-02-26T20:07:48.607" UserId="68513" />
  <row Id="17932" PostId="5997" Score="11" Text="Thank you jmort253 for many years of service going back to beta!" CreationDate="2019-02-26T20:12:33.707" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17933" PostId="5997" Score="4" Text="Congratulations MisterPositive. May you be a great moderator for this site." CreationDate="2019-02-26T20:23:56.753" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="17939" PostId="5997" Score="4" Text="Congratulations and welcome to the team @MisterPositive." CreationDate="2019-02-27T09:58:49.563" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17946" PostId="5997" Score="2" Text="Thanks @MonicaCellio.  Congratulations to the new moderator MisterPositive." CreationDate="2019-03-01T13:28:33.643" UserId="98" />
  <row Id="17934" PostId="5998" Score="8" Text="And congratulations to you on a strong second-place finish!" CreationDate="2019-02-26T20:49:09.297" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17935" PostId="5998" Score="8" Text="Thanks Monica. I'm looking forward to continue helping and contributing to this wonderful site :)" CreationDate="2019-02-26T20:49:56.163" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17943" PostId="6002" Score="2" Text="I see no difference in broadness." CreationDate="2019-02-28T17:00:52.127" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17944" PostId="6002" Score="0" Text="one reopen vote" CreationDate="2019-02-28T17:12:05.320" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17945" PostId="6002" Score="0" Text="In my mind, I see these as both broad and open to a dash of opinion." CreationDate="2019-02-28T18:47:21.973" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="17947" PostId="6002" Score="1" Text="FWIW, the second post is open again now" CreationDate="2019-03-01T23:26:46.557" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17948" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="the question you refer to looks like primary source of the problem here, trolling for answers like that. The right thing to do is would be to delete the question, taking this answer along with it to where it belongs (nowhere at Stack Exchange)" CreationDate="2019-03-02T14:53:57.327" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="17949" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="@gnat It's possible. I don't know. For better or worse, diversity is a huge concern to quite a few employers. Some of the other answers bring up studies (even though some users have questioned the veracity of at least some of them). Given that it's a topic that is widely discussed, it's not quite as clear cut to me that the question has no place here. Either way, though, SO has claimed to be strongly opposed to racial prejudices and has instituted policies designed to forbid them. I don't understand why moderators weren't proactive here given that they had to handle trouble stemming from it." CreationDate="2019-03-02T15:43:40.107" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="17950" PostId="6004" Score="3" Text="&quot;I was about to flag it&quot; - you should have flagged it." CreationDate="2019-03-02T21:32:13.630" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17951" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Why does it need to be flagged? Mods were clearly aware of it. How do I know it hasn't already been flagged, anyway?" CreationDate="2019-03-02T21:33:12.327" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="17952" PostId="6004" Score="1" Text="@jpmc26 - flags are designed as the way to express concern such as yours for a question or answer." CreationDate="2019-03-02T21:34:29.617" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17954" PostId="6004" Score="3" Text="@jpmc26 As Monica alluded to in her answer, just because a comment chain is flagged that doesn't mean that moderators will always read the question. Certainly if the comments are full of vitriol or abuse, we may check the post that's generating them, but comment clean-ups are usually a routine operation. You should *always* flag a post that you consider problematic enough to justify a flag, regardless of whether you might think a moderator has already seen it or that someone might have already flagged it." CreationDate="2019-03-04T09:56:01.223" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17955" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal The problem I have with that statement is that comments were *selectively* deleted, specifically ones that referenced this issue. Others were left. That means someone took the time to figure out what they were saying to identify which ones to delete. How could that be done without looking at the answer in question? Or maybe the better question is why would a moderator read the comments talking about a problem in the answer and not realize the answer itself had a problem?" CreationDate="2019-03-04T14:21:47.367" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="17956" PostId="6004" Score="2" Text="@jpmc26 The biggest reason why we set-up chat rooms is to avoid this situation where valid and valuable comments are removed as part of overall cleanup. I cannot comment on the rationale behind every single comment deletion beyond saying that we typically make a best-effort attempt to preserve useful comments while deleting others. And sometimes we do blanket deletions of everything, even valid comments. For reference: we often delete hundreds of comments a day so the 40 deleted from this particular post aren't as noteworthy as you might imagine." CreationDate="2019-03-04T14:46:31.120" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17957" PostId="6004" Score="3" Text="But perhaps the better question is whether you are trying to get moderators to act on an answer that you personally disagree with? We are not arbitrators of correctness. If you disagree with an answer you are able to downvote it. You can indeed leave a comments to point out the problem but those are by nature ephemeral and while it's far from ideal that valid criticism is removed in comment clean-up, that sometimes happens. If you take issue with referring to an article as a study, you can edit to correct that. That seems like it would have preempted about half of the comments already." CreationDate="2019-03-04T14:46:36.863" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17958" PostId="6004" Score="4" Text="I'm sorry, but I've read through both versions of that statement, and I don't see why you're suggesting there even is an &quot;assertion of race&quot; or that it was trying to suggest anything about the designers &quot;view of race&quot;.  The fact that the designers were white and didn't think to test it on anyone who wasn't white doesn't seem like it's trying to prescribe any racist motives to the designers.  To me, it was just suggesting that they designed and tested the product with a non-diverse group, and therefore didn't encounter and recognize a technical issue with dark skin." CreationDate="2019-03-04T15:05:16.127" UserId="62796" />
  <row Id="17959" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal &quot;But perhaps the better question is whether you are trying to get moderators to act on an answer that you personally disagree with?&quot; No. I am trying to figure out why clear prejudice against white people is not treated the same as any other kind of prejudice." CreationDate="2019-03-04T15:20:29.027" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="17960" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="@JMac No, it did not &quot;suggest&quot; anything. It insisted that it must be white people's fault. That is pure prejudice. And if you think it wasn't ascribing racist motives, then I would argue you're not very aware of the concept of &quot;systemic racism.&quot; It *assumed* and asserted that cause with no consideration for other possibilities." CreationDate="2019-03-04T15:22:46.477" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="17961" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal &quot;If you take issue with referring to an article as a study, you can edit to correct that. That seems like it would have preempted about half of the comments already.&quot; ...Article? We're talking about a video uploaded to Twitter that the author then used to make unwarranted assumptions about the teams that designed and manufactured the product. I don't know what you're talking about. I couldn't edit it; it would be rejected (properly) as changing the intent of the post." CreationDate="2019-03-04T15:28:11.233" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="17963" PostId="6004" Score="3" Text="@jpmc26 I did not get the same impression from the answer as you did, *especially after Monica's* edit -- and that is perfectly **ok**.  Rest assured that if the consensus among the Moderator's was that this was a racially charged answer, it would have been removed versus edited." CreationDate="2019-03-04T15:46:09.990" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="17964" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive I would argue it's a problem if the moderator team is unable to recognize claims obviously based in prejudice against a particular race of people. And the fear that is the case is exactly why I asked." CreationDate="2019-03-04T15:48:17.687" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="17966" PostId="6004" Score="1" Text="@jpmc26 I believe the general consensus among the moderator team is that your claim was unfounded and all appropriate action from our part on this question was taken. If you feel like we mishandled this, please reach out to the Community Team via the [contact page](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/contact)." CreationDate="2019-03-04T20:00:00.117" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17967" PostId="6004" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal You know this wouldn't have been handled the same way if it had been something about the black thug stereotype; the white racist stereotype is just as offensive. I can handle stereotypes; I can't handle rules being applied preferentially. Appealing to SO is useless because [SO believes that its users are racists](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/366683/1394393) and doesn't care about racism against the &quot;dominant&quot; race. Seeing moderators adopt the same attitude as well just means we're going to continue to see more preferential treatment. That makes me sad and kind of angry." CreationDate="2019-03-04T20:58:25.353" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="17968" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="I'm just wondering what the bar is for something to be considered to be bigoted against white, straight, male, or any combination of the aforementioned." CreationDate="2019-03-04T21:24:56.647" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17969" PostId="6004" Score="3" Text="@jpmc26 If racism was involved here we would have absolutely taken action, regardless of which stereotype is in play. We will simply have to agree to disagree that this answer was racially prejudiced. But please avoid using this as a platform for soapboxing." CreationDate="2019-03-04T21:31:56.907" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17970" PostId="6004" Score="0" Text="@RichardU The only objective definition that I can come up with is that whatever is said either has no bearing on class or is demonstrably factual (or at least defensibly so). The post in question provided absolutely zero evidence that white people were involved or even that it wasn't tested against people with dark skin. If these had been reported facts, I'd have no problem here (despite it looking bad for white people), but I couldn't find anything to support their assertions. The only remaining explanation for why they immediately jumped to blaming white people is prejudice." CreationDate="2019-03-04T21:57:56.863" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="17962" PostId="6005" Score="0" Text="The answer still makes assumptions that are not supported by the evidence given. Namely that the machine was not tested other skin colors. All we have is a video of it not working for one person; we don't know why that is or what the manufacturers did or didn't do. The most this answer could say to make it's point is that it's bad PR and that many people will assume what its author did. As such, the answer is still a prejudiced assertion of systemic racism. Should I flag for further edits? I don't want to submit suggested edits; they would most likely be rejected as changing the intent." CreationDate="2019-03-04T15:41:56.650" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="17965" PostId="6005" Score="3" Text="@jpmc26 so maybe that part of the answer is wrong.  If so, you can downvote, comment to request an improvement, or edit.  People make incorrect assumptions on this site *all the time* (see, for example, all the US-centric responses to worldwide posts).  That doesn't make it racist.  My edit isn't perfect; maybe the sentence wants an &quot;apparently&quot; in there.  If you think so, use your site privileges to fix it." CreationDate="2019-03-04T15:58:03.583" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="17971" PostId="6005" Score="0" Text="&quot;If so, you can downvote, comment to request an improvement, or edit.&quot; I did, except for edit because I'm sure it would be rejected. I ensured my comment was polite and extremely neutral (much more neutral than anything on this post), stating only that an edit removing the assumptions would improve it. It was deleted outright, while the comment asking for including reference content was left alone. Meaning that someone at least skimmed the comment and decided it was inappropriate despite the neutrality. I'll suggest an edit, but I have no confidence it will be approved." CreationDate="2019-03-04T22:14:29.320" UserId="16724" />
  <row Id="17978" PostId="6007" Score="1" Text="I've started going through the posts. Updated my answer to include a tip I found" CreationDate="2019-03-05T18:11:59.467" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17972" PostId="6009" Score="1" Text="Rules? Or bad form? I wasn't aware we had a &quot;must not name someone&quot; rule. Clearly it's bad form  though. I may be mistaken. BTW - where do we keep &quot;rules&quot; anyway?" CreationDate="2019-03-04T23:25:48.730" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17973" PostId="6009" Score="1" Text="We have rules?... I've been named a few times.... I don't remember anything in particular being done about it..." CreationDate="2019-03-05T11:14:24.657" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17974" PostId="6009" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'd like to know as well, as I seem to be racking up more time in the penalty box than most of the NHL" CreationDate="2019-03-05T13:21:59.017" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18016" PostId="6009" Score="2" Text="Where do we draw the line? Is calling someone a 'pantywaist snowflake' acceptable? I've thought of saying that in comments a few times to a couple of people but desisted." CreationDate="2019-03-09T01:57:26.040" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18018" PostId="6009" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi I've been suspended for less.  I don't have your restraint" CreationDate="2019-03-09T13:56:15.203" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18019" PostId="6009" Score="2" Text="@RichardU have you tried blaming 'bad English'? It's a blanket excuse that covers pretty much everything" CreationDate="2019-03-09T22:40:30.533" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17990" PostId="6010" Score="5" Text="Ah, but that wouldn't apply because **all of my answers are great**" CreationDate="2019-03-06T11:47:59.530" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="17991" PostId="6010" Score="3" Text="I remember you name called me late last year. You shouted my posts were &quot;crxp&quot;. Feeling strange you're posting this yourself ..." CreationDate="2019-03-06T15:04:09.143" UserId="64317" />
  <row Id="18149" PostId="6010" Score="0" Text="@SmallChess Link? That seems rather out of character for Mister Positive." CreationDate="2019-03-18T20:47:03.637" UserId="49123" />
  <row Id="17975" PostId="6011" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Should I always accept an answer on The Workplace?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3761/should-i-always-accept-an-answer-on-the-workplace)" CreationDate="2019-03-05T16:40:16.660" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17976" PostId="6011" Score="0" Text="Question, why do you want to combine those answers into one? Just to be able to accept one? They are already posted on your Q, so anybody can use those suggestions and take benefit from all of them." CreationDate="2019-03-05T17:05:51.693" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17977" PostId="6011" Score="0" Text="Another way of putting it may be, do you seek to obtain/construct a canonical answer for your post?" CreationDate="2019-03-05T17:13:11.973" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="17987" PostId="6011" Score="0" Text="An interesting question, perhaps this was already discussed on the main meta? I wonder if there's a site-wide best practice on creating canonical answers based on multiple distinct ones. But I expect it will come down to how much effort you put into the consolidated answer." CreationDate="2019-03-06T08:05:03.103" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="17988" PostId="6011" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus I think a good anwer takes all aspects discussed in the now available separate answers into account." CreationDate="2019-03-06T09:07:03.797" UserId="32591" />
  <row Id="17979" PostId="6012" Score="2" Text="Keep flagging the abusive comments. Hopefully the abused user will flag them as well." CreationDate="2019-03-05T19:39:36.143" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="17980" PostId="6012" Score="4" Text="I'll wait for a moderator to chime in, but I would say the next time you see it, use the &quot;in need of moderator intervention&quot; flag, which allows you to write a custom message." CreationDate="2019-03-05T19:55:53.120" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17981" PostId="6012" Score="0" Text="@DavidK yeah, but that's what I'm wondering.  If the other comments are gone, how would a custom flag help." CreationDate="2019-03-05T19:57:37.000" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17982" PostId="6012" Score="6" Text="I'm pretty sure the mods can still see deleted comments, even if we can't. If you identify the users by name, hopefully the mods have the tools to look up the deleted comments by user. If you can remember the post they got deleted from, even better. But like I said, I'd wait for a moderator to confirm that this would work for them." CreationDate="2019-03-05T19:59:19.887" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17989" PostId="6012" Score="12" Text="Can't be me, I'm free and easy with the abuse, not targeting any particular individuals" CreationDate="2019-03-06T09:12:34.387" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="17983" PostId="6013" Score="0" Text="I edited this question for tone, see if it doesn't get a better reception now, if not roll it back to it's previous revision." CreationDate="2019-03-05T20:53:25.887" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17984" PostId="6013" Score="0" Text="I also went and edited your answer a bit. I think part of it is that with large bold font and all caps, it comes across as yelling, which never gets received well." CreationDate="2019-03-05T21:05:45.477" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="17986" PostId="6013" Score="0" Text="Someone may downvote if they believe no-one would follow that line of thinking (or it would happen negligibly often). This site is, as far as I'm aware, considered to be about the real world, which means listing a pure hypothetical (for the sake of completeness?) could be seen as not useful, and even actively harmful. One could extend this line of thinking to argue the question itself is off topic, but I digress. Since we should vote on content, it shouldn't matter if it's you saying something or you're saying someone else might say it (in theory, anyway - in practice it very much does matter)" CreationDate="2019-03-06T07:54:27.140" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17994" PostId="6013" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling `a pure hypothetical` + `the question itself is off topic` - And yet someone asked a question based on the assumption that a long time at the same job _is_ a bad thing. (And got more than 50,000 views in one week!)" CreationDate="2019-03-06T18:16:32.560" UserId="100885" />
  <row Id="18000" PostId="6013" Score="0" Text="@ispiro The problem with the question is that it *invites* hypotheticals and speculation, not that it itself is hypothetical." CreationDate="2019-03-06T20:30:39.717" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="17985" PostId="6016" Score="6" Text="Thanks Monica.  that makes a lot of sense, and explains quite a bit.  If five moderators each handle one flag, it looks much different than if one sees all five.  Thank you for explaining this." CreationDate="2019-03-05T21:06:23.647" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18013" PostId="6016" Score="0" Text="Wait, I thought I read in the flag section that there's 3 steps to accepted flags: the user is issued a warning, a temporary account suspension, and then a permanent suspension if the problem isn't solved yet." CreationDate="2019-03-08T19:27:09.503" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="18014" PostId="6016" Score="1" Text="@Clockwork What do you mean by that?  Most flags have nothing to do with warnings or suspensions; most flags are in fact just 'hey fix this problem'. You can flag basically any post if you have something to tell the moderation team; obviously it's more helpful to flag the specific post that you're talking about, but sometimes there isn't a specific post and/or it's been deleted and you can't see it.  Accepting a flag just means the mod dismisses it and says it's helpful, any action they take beyond that is their choice." CreationDate="2019-03-08T20:19:55.270" UserId="3227" />
  <row Id="18015" PostId="6016" Score="3" Text="What you're probably referring to are the stages of escalation for user infractions; that's not directly related to flagging.  Moderators will not necessarily follow that path directly, depending on the severity of the action; it's common to directly suspend users for more severe actions, for example, though typically for a short period of time unless it's a very serious action indeed." CreationDate="2019-03-08T20:21:02.507" UserId="3227" />
  <row Id="17996" PostId="6018" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I'll point out, though, that that's not exactly what I wrote. a) I wrote &quot;**re**read&quot; so as to make it clear that the reader _has_ read the question already, just not carefully enough. b) I didn't refer to people disagreeing with my answer, which is fine, of course. I referred to people disagreeing with the logic mentioned in it, and referred them (back) to the question so they'll see that OP was not looking for correct logic, and therefore disagreeing with the logic does _not_ mean that my answer is wrong, since that is not _my_ logic, but rather what someone might say." CreationDate="2019-03-06T18:27:53.930" UserId="100885" />
  <row Id="17997" PostId="6018" Score="0" Text="I'll also mention that it seems like 3 people already either misunderstood my answer or disagree. The latter is just part of &quot;forum-life&quot;, the former - not (or rather - shouldn't be)." CreationDate="2019-03-06T18:29:12.893" UserId="100885" />
  <row Id="17995" PostId="6019" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I originally expected people to have read the question (which would have made it clear that OP is not looking for _correct_ reasons), or at least to have read the answer (including its ending). Looking back, the comments and some of the answers should have tipped me off... :)" CreationDate="2019-03-06T18:20:55.103" UserId="100885" />
  <row Id="17998" PostId="6019" Score="0" Text="@ispiro don't worry, you get used to it.  :D" CreationDate="2019-03-06T18:32:25.253" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="17999" PostId="6021" Score="0" Text="I assume you're referring to Twyxz's point 2. I think it's quite different. But you have the right to disagree, of course. I'll just assume you also downvoted those other answers there which were completely not answers to the question asked..." CreationDate="2019-03-06T19:10:46.563" UserId="100885" />
  <row Id="18001" PostId="6022" Score="2" Text="Just to confirm; have you actually did a cautionary search for duplicates yet? Even if it's worded slightly different, a search or two should help identify if this has been asked before." CreationDate="2019-03-07T08:51:58.610" UserDisplayName="user34587" />
  <row Id="18002" PostId="6023" Score="3" Text="Possible duplicate of [How can we migrate questions to other SE sites?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2112/how-can-we-migrate-questions-to-other-se-sites)" CreationDate="2019-03-07T16:43:19.163" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18003" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="So after reading that, I'm going to go with: That's just not done anymore." CreationDate="2019-03-07T19:59:32.003" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="18004" PostId="6023" Score="2" Text="No, that's not what it said. If you think a question should be migrated, use the custom moderator flag and explain why you think it should be migrated. There's an option to flag a question for migration, but the only site you can choose is Workplace Meta. But the number one rule is, if it's a bad question on any site, even if it might fit another site better, don't migrate it." CreationDate="2019-03-07T20:21:48.593" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18005" PostId="6023" Score="1" Text="FWIW, It's also not-so-encouraged to migrate question from a &quot;Mature&quot; site to a Beta one, as to avoid injecting post to a Site in development and let it get to their user base and topic definition on their own... migration between &quot;mature&quot; sites is OK as long as what David mentioned holds and the question is not trash." CreationDate="2019-03-07T20:48:19.677" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18008" PostId="6023" Score="0" Text="Apart from the &quot;don't migrate crap&quot; discussed below, keep in mind that few if any of our legal questions would be on-topic on [law.se]. Check their on-topic rules because you might be surprised that they [don't cover legal advice in specific situations](https://law.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/221/policy-for-questions-that-clearly-ask-for-specific-legal-advice) (just like we don't)." CreationDate="2019-03-08T10:33:16.803" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="18007" PostId="6025" Score="3" Text="&quot;Don't migrate crap&quot; is an important rule: I cannot recall the last time I actually migrated a question based on a simple flag. For migration to be successful you typically need a high-quality question with an OP that's actively participating in the effort to improve/reopen/migrate the question. At a rough estimate from my experience I would say less than 5% of all migration flags are accepted." CreationDate="2019-03-08T10:31:05.857" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="18009" PostId="6029" Score="1" Text="I always have a hard time finding the bounty button - it's actually *below* the comments, not above. Are you sure it's not there?" CreationDate="2019-03-08T13:07:51.527" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18010" PostId="6029" Score="6" Text="You've already awarded two bounties on this answer totalling 700 rep points.  I think you can safely say that you've thanked this user enough now." CreationDate="2019-03-08T13:08:31.753" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="18011" PostId="6029" Score="1" Text="I do agree with @Snow. Why are you so dead-set on giving all of your rep to that particular answer? Whether it's true or not, it very much makes it *look* like your &quot;AnonOP&quot; account is just a sock account for Ertai87, and you are just trying to funnel rep back to your main account." CreationDate="2019-03-08T13:15:22.843" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18020" PostId="6029" Score="1" Text="@DavidK To me it reads more like the OP here is very grateful to the advice given because it lead him to make the right choice in his career. It illustrates the tremendous impact that our answers can have on this site. @ OP: FWIW I've contributed a 300 rep bounty to this answer." CreationDate="2019-03-10T10:33:50.307" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="18021" PostId="6029" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal thanks! that's exactly the right reason for why I (try to) spend all my reputation on that answer" CreationDate="2019-03-10T11:09:12.263" UserId="100602" />
  <row Id="18012" PostId="6030" Score="3" Text="Learned something new today!" CreationDate="2019-03-08T13:26:08.527" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18017" PostId="6030" Score="1" Text="I see just now that I can't start a bounty on any question... why is that?" CreationDate="2019-03-09T03:29:58.083" UserId="100602" />
  <row Id="18024" PostId="6030" Score="1" Text="@AnonOP You should be able to offer bounties on other questions. Make sure you are looking in the right place - the screenshot you link in your question is *not* the right location. The button is located below all of the comments, not above. [Here's a Meta request to move it](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234095/can-we-move-start-a-bounty-to-a-more-intuitive-location)." CreationDate="2019-03-11T12:01:55.420" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18438" PostId="6031" Score="0" Text="i think general practice is not spilling names into common Meta posts to prevent &quot;flood wars&quot;" CreationDate="2019-04-23T21:42:34.617" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="18027" PostId="6032" Score="1" Text="Awesome idea! I think we should go for it :)" CreationDate="2019-03-12T00:52:22.757" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18028" PostId="6032" Score="4" Text="Admittedly, I've tried clicking it a couple of times in the past... thinking it would do SOMETHING. When I glimpse it, I half-expect the bubbles to move too." CreationDate="2019-03-12T08:15:02.077" UserDisplayName="user34587" />
  <row Id="18022" PostId="6033" Score="9" Text="I would agree if it was the only way to get to the Water Cooler. This would just be a fun, additional way to get there -- kind of an easter egg." CreationDate="2019-03-10T19:30:17.647" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="18023" PostId="6034" Score="3" Text="agreed.. VTRO cast." CreationDate="2019-03-11T09:31:36.733" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="18025" PostId="6034" Score="4" Text="In my locale permission to re-take a drug test could be completely company-specific (although extremely unlikely). I voted to reopen anyway." CreationDate="2019-03-11T12:14:43.167" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="18026" PostId="6034" Score="1" Text="Thanks it's open for more answers" CreationDate="2019-03-11T14:06:39.167" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="19720" PostId="6035" Score="0" Text="I don't see any particular reason to delete downvoted answers. Sometimes knowing what not to do is more improtant than knowing what to actually do" CreationDate="2019-06-26T09:11:00.053" UserId="101878" />
  <row Id="18029" PostId="6036" Score="11" Text="As the mod who deleted it, I'll add: it was the sexism (and the many flags about it), not correctness or lack thereof.  When I first saw the answer (because of a flag) I decided to wait and see, but the comment thread was not leading to improvements and the &quot;treat women differently&quot; angle was a problem." CreationDate="2019-03-13T19:41:10.153" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18030" PostId="6036" Score="20" Text="I wasn't involved in this answer, either by voting or commenting.  I get the impression that people took offense at the &quot;only intervene if a man is attacking a woman&quot; line.  Many people take the view that abuse transcends gender, race, or any other differentiating criteria.  Abuse is abuse. I think that focussing your answer to the one stereotypical form of abuse is what got people's backs up, hence why people were crying &quot;sexist&quot; on this one." CreationDate="2019-03-13T19:43:03.667" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="18031" PostId="6036" Score="16" Text="Ridiculous reason guys, it got upvotes as well. Just because you disagreed means little. A extremely large part of the World, the majority I would think recognise there is a difference between genders. Also I was a professional bouncer, I intervened in fights for a living, got stabbed more than once while doing so.my opinion on when to step in is probably safer and more valuable than most. Should have let it stand and the votes talk for themselves as it would be a helpful answer in many cultures and situations." CreationDate="2019-03-13T19:48:33.003" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18032" PostId="6036" Score="9" Text="@MonicaCellio There are biological differences between men and women.  Even a broken down old man like myself could do damage in a fight.  There is nothing sexist about observing, and reacting to biological differences.  There is zero chance that a man could be pregnant, for example.  Some of us were, for example, raised that you never hit a woman, EVER.  The series &quot;What would you do?&quot; did an experiment where a man was attacking a woman, and a woman was attacking a man.  In every case, people, men AND women, intervened for the woman, in no case did they intervene for the man. (pt 1)" CreationDate="2019-03-13T20:24:44.460" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18033" PostId="6036" Score="10" Text="All Kilisi did was state the obvious.  [What would you do, domestic violence edition](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;uact=8&amp;ved=2ahUKEwi3h_Hk-f_gAhUSNOwKHTpWCvEQFjAAegQIAxAB&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DcRp2ukifEk4&amp;usg=AOvVaw18Tkipm679o2Z0vN8iKXuW)" CreationDate="2019-03-13T20:26:35.947" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18035" PostId="6036" Score="14" Text="@RichardU the &quot;if the victim isn't a woman then stay away&quot; part of the answer is sexist, too.  If you'd intervene to stop a man hitting a woman but *not* a woman hitting a man -- which, given the variety of ages,  levels of fitness, and fighting skills in the workplace can certainly happen! -- then what kind of person are you?" CreationDate="2019-03-13T20:29:32.237" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18037" PostId="6036" Score="4" Text="@MonicaCellio I'm an old, decrepit, broken down person with neuropathy, a bad back, and maybe a decade left on this planet, if I'm lucky.  Chances are, any man being attacked would be better able to defend himself than I would.  I certainly wouldn't step in if the man was being attacked by a woman, because... Duluth model.  I'm not going to jail and leave my kids without a father around." CreationDate="2019-03-13T20:37:40.667" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18039" PostId="6036" Score="14" Text="@RichardU And would you want someone to intervene if you were being attacked by someone, be it a man or woman? The point of assuming that only a woman would ever need help is what's sexist." CreationDate="2019-03-13T22:36:33.347" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18040" PostId="6036" Score="0" Text="Nope, never had anyone do it so far, wouldn't want anyone to do it now." CreationDate="2019-03-13T22:56:57.567" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18041" PostId="6036" Score="8" Text="You don't get it, if you intervene on behalf of a man, you would most probably be viewed as a combatant. If you intervene on behalf of a women then people know that you're trying to intervene, not join in. I turned and punched a NZ policeman who grabbed my shoulder while I was fighting, and because he didn't identify himself before grabbing me the judge let me walk. Reflex action on my part lost him a tooth and a great deal of dignity..... intervening on a womans behalf once got me knocked unconscious and a group kicking, yet I do not regret the attempt and old as I am would do it again." CreationDate="2019-03-13T23:19:31.163" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18044" PostId="6036" Score="17" Text="As one of the first persons having commented against OP's answer (but not flagging it), I also stand against the deletion. I still don't think this is the right answer to the question, but downvotes are there to express it. To me, there is certainly more benefit to the community to let this answer exist - even though it might be seen as not politically correct. If you believe the answer is sexist and not right, better leave it with downvotes and comments, than deleting it and pretend noone thinks that way IMHO. Major disagreement doesn't seem a correct deletion reason to me, as far as I know." CreationDate="2019-03-14T01:00:55.347" UserId="76073" />
  <row Id="18046" PostId="6036" Score="4" Text="@Kilisi exactly.  If you defend a man against a man, then you're a combatant.  If you defend a man against a woman, you're done.  Jail time, period, even if she is armed and outweighs him.  Defend a woman against a man, you're (fairly) safe.  Defend a woman against another woman (safe, if you pull them apart, but are careful)" CreationDate="2019-03-14T12:57:49.453" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18048" PostId="6036" Score="1" Text="@DavidK So, how does what I would want have to do with my point?  Isn't your assumption that I would want help somewhat ablest if we are going by your standard?  And that's not what Kilisi said at all.  He said &quot;males are physically attacking females then intervene&quot;.  That's not saying that only women would need help, it's saying if a woman is being attacked by a man, intervene.  How is that sexist?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T15:02:12.547" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18052" PostId="6036" Score="15" Text="I can see no violation of the CoC. I didn't like the answer, but it was an answer. So I don't see any reason for deletion. I'm also not sure who should be insulted by the sexism. Women because they are implicitly told they are weaker, or men,who are implicitly told they are not worth the risk helping. I think if everybody is equally insulted, there might be a bit of truth in it." CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:12:13.600" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="18087" PostId="6036" Score="2" Text="There is no sexism unless you try hard to imagine some, it's about the potential physical and perhaps even legal repercussions to yourself. I don't think most of you have been in a big fight, or intervened in a real fight. On a personal level I do find something distasteful about the thought of allowing others to use women as punching bags in front of me.. and see no need to change that attitude and am instilling it in my sons.... but thats not the point of my answer and I broke up or defused fights FOR A LIVING and put myself in harms way for both men and women, who quite possibly deserved it" CreationDate="2019-03-14T21:36:17.910" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18088" PostId="6036" Score="0" Text="cont... but I was both trained, authorised and prepared for it and it was work. Jumping into fights outside an authorised scenario can leave you disfigured or dead, or in prison. So you don't do so without thinking of the potential real World (not fantasy fairytale) repercussions." CreationDate="2019-03-14T21:40:52.487" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18093" PostId="6036" Score="15" Text="`there was major disagreement on your criteria as to when to step in` People are free to post their answers with their own criteria. `gathering multiple bickering comment wars` That's why you guys are here :) `This answer was seen as sexist and/or gender specific by many` This is an international site. I don't know how things work in the US, where SO is based, but in the rest of the world, that is the correct answer when witnessing a public fight. **The answer was useful** in its own right, despite many users disagreeing with it. It should be reinstated on those grounds." CreationDate="2019-03-15T14:45:38.817" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="18172" PostId="6036" Score="2" Text="Ugh; put it back and lock it." CreationDate="2019-03-20T22:00:50.800" UserId="29374" />
  <row Id="18186" PostId="6036" Score="0" Text="&quot;I would have defended OP's request, but then I found out OP was a man&quot;" CreationDate="2019-03-21T22:20:59.467" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18212" PostId="6036" Score="4" Text="@Kilisi The sexism arises from the fact that you said if it's a woman attacking a man to ignore it, but if it's a man attacking a woman to intervene. You'd have to try really hard to not see how that's sexism." CreationDate="2019-03-22T23:43:28.943" UserId="48820" />
  <row Id="18232" PostId="6036" Score="2" Text="Is there a rule about how many downvotes and flags an answer has to receive before it's removed? I mean, what difference does the downvote/flag count make on an answer? Also, what is wrong with gender-specific answers? I've seen many people questions and answers focused on gender." CreationDate="2019-03-27T14:07:26.127" UserId="40440" />
  <row Id="19721" PostId="6036" Score="1" Text="@DuncanXSimpson Then every piece of legislation in the Western World regarding domestic violence is plain old sexism!" CreationDate="2019-06-26T09:11:47.040" UserId="101878" />
  <row Id="19740" PostId="6036" Score="0" Text="@David We're in agreement on that." CreationDate="2019-06-27T18:38:33.013" UserId="48820" />
  <row Id="18051" PostId="6037" Score="1" Text="Came here as this post was spoiled into my timeline being hot, but unfortunately I don't understand what it's actually about and why Richard should retire now." CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:08:29.957" UserId="48157" />
  <row Id="18054" PostId="6037" Score="2" Text="@leymannx 100k is a milestone, and I've stated in the past that I would step back once I hit it.  only... 6? of us have hit that high in rep." CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:24:09.750" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18082" PostId="6037" Score="3" Text="@RichardU – Tanks for clarification. Don't step back." CreationDate="2019-03-14T20:10:59.223" UserId="48157" />
  <row Id="18038" PostId="6038" Score="2" Text="Yeah, it's a changing world, and I've already gotten enough agist shade thrown my way to know it's time to step back soon." CreationDate="2019-03-13T20:39:49.660" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18175" PostId="6038" Score="2" Text="@RichardU Yeah... about that... if you're going to complain about people &quot;_throwing shade_&quot; at you, we're going to have to rip up your old-enough-to-retire card." CreationDate="2019-03-21T01:31:12.467" UserId="62817" />
  <row Id="18177" PostId="6038" Score="2" Text="Been watching too much youtube, LOL!" CreationDate="2019-03-21T04:08:44.603" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18034" PostId="6039" Score="14" Text="If you ever start to agree with me too often, please seek professional help, it's the first sign you're not well." CreationDate="2019-03-13T20:27:45.327" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18036" PostId="6039" Score="1" Text="I certainly will.... ahaha" CreationDate="2019-03-13T20:30:30.207" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18083" PostId="6039" Score="4" Text="Does that mean disagreeing with @RichardU means we are just fine?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T20:18:31.520" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="18097" PostId="6039" Score="3" Text="@thursdaysgeek no, because a conditional statement is not logically equivalent to its inverse. Let P=We agree with Richard, and Q=we are not well. Also P -&gt; Q... that does not mean that ~P -&gt; ~Q so we can disagree with Richard and still be not well :P" CreationDate="2019-03-15T22:54:10.523" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18098" PostId="6039" Score="2" Text="However, using *modus tollens* we can have that P -&gt; Q, then ~Q thus ~P ... so that means if we &quot;are ok&quot; we can conclude that we don't agree with Richard :)" CreationDate="2019-03-15T22:56:23.293" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18099" PostId="6039" Score="1" Text="This is one of my very few answers that hasn't (yet) garnered a downvote :O fan club must be out for the weekend.... hehe... think I'll look up modus tollens so I can get the joke" CreationDate="2019-03-15T23:02:38.910" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18100" PostId="6039" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus I was hoping to establish my wellness, and I suspected the logic wouldn't hold up.  Even worse, sometimes I agree with him! (first comment on his accepted answer: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/131025/quitting-employee-has-privileged-access-to-critical-information/)" CreationDate="2019-03-15T23:03:02.717" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="18101" PostId="6039" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi hah... careful what you wish for lol... btw: [modus tollens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modus_tollens)" CreationDate="2019-03-15T23:05:35.333" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18102" PostId="6039" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus yeah, I gave up after a couple of sentences, too many long words for me." CreationDate="2019-03-15T23:06:40.350" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18148" PostId="6039" Score="0" Text="@thursdaysgeek I'd say a healthy percentage of disagreement would be 30-60%" CreationDate="2019-03-18T19:18:36.100" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18086" PostId="6041" Score="3" Text="Yeah, there's another agenda behind the deletion, the reasons as they stand are just made up... it's a bit unsavoury but que sera sera" CreationDate="2019-03-14T21:24:36.430" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18153" PostId="6041" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi How can I see what the answer said?" CreationDate="2019-03-19T12:06:41.077" UserId="75850" />
  <row Id="18180" PostId="6041" Score="0" Text="@Snow it was a short answer this is what it said &quot;If males are physically attacking females then intervene. Otherwise it's not your circus, not your monkeys.&#xA;&#xA;Either leave the room or put your back to the wall and look after your own safety.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-03-21T20:49:41.140" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18217" PostId="6041" Score="0" Text="At least looking at two of those answers, they seem to be bad advice but they aren't _offensive_ and not sexist." CreationDate="2019-03-24T08:05:42.917" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18049" PostId="6042" Score="6" Text="You failed to mention that that particular answer also had 18 flags. The number of flags isn't publicly visible, so we can't do a direct comparison, but I imagine that was a large factor in why it was deleted." CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:05:36.687" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18050" PostId="6042" Score="3" Text="@DavidK no failure involved at all, just my autistic precision allowing people to include that fact in an answer, as I have no idea how many flags were in the other posts, do you?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:06:58.920" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18053" PostId="6043" Score="2" Text="So, if a bunch of users get together and mass flag a post, it gets deleted?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:21:09.113" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18055" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="This really doesn't answer my question about what the standard is, btw" CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:25:01.853" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18056" PostId="6043" Score="3" Text="@RichardU isn't users getting together to flag a post a form of community moderation?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:44:12.850" UserDisplayName="user85135" />
  <row Id="18057" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="@bruglesco When you cast a vote to delete, you're putting yourself out there.  those people could have voted to delete.  Why didn't they?  was it a league of 101's that swarmed in from another stack?  See the problem?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:47:58.773" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18058" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="@RichardU yes. there is a difference, but one of degree. It also took 18 flags to get the mods involved." CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:50:06.627" UserDisplayName="user85135" />
  <row Id="18059" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="@bruglesco which goes to my question.  Is the tipping point 18 flags?  if 18, why not 17?  17, why not 16?  If I can get 19 people to flag posts I don't like, will it get deleted?  What is the standard?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:51:37.603" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18060" PostId="6043" Score="3" Text="@RichardU There is no magic number of flags that makes something worthy of deletion. If there were a magic number, then the process would be automatic, and honestly more easy to exploit than having to convince a moderator to take action. The whole point of having moderators is to have a human involved that can judge things on a case by case basis. At some point you have to trust your moderators to make the right decision based on lots of information we don't have. If you don't trust moderators to make those sorts of decisions, then what's the point in having them?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T16:57:59.660" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18061" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="@DavidK if the moderators don't trust us to do community policing, what's the point in doing any of it ourselves?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T17:13:50.967" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18062" PostId="6043" Score="3" Text="@RichardU because the moderators are mediators when the situation is murky and the community is not providing consensus. As David pointed out that is the entire point of moderators. That doesn't negate the use of community moderation." CreationDate="2019-03-14T17:16:24.147" UserDisplayName="user85135" />
  <row Id="18063" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="@bruglesco and I'm asking what makes a situation murky." CreationDate="2019-03-14T17:17:44.653" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18064" PostId="6043" Score="5" Text="There's no hard and fast metric on this, as David pointed out.  A considerable number of users flagged the answer as being offensive, they both flagged and commented.  Those users are part of the community, this wasn't a case of moderators arbitrarily deciding to delete something - multiple users raised concerns that were looked at.  How many times have users complained that their answers have been deleted?  Not many, it's not something that happens a lot." CreationDate="2019-03-14T17:17:45.713" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="18065" PostId="6043" Score="1" Text="@RichardU that was addressed in the other question and to be honest whether you disagree with her solution I believe Monica made it pretty clear what made that particular situation &quot;murky&quot;" CreationDate="2019-03-14T17:21:31.773" UserDisplayName="user85135" />
  <row Id="18066" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="@bruglesco the clarification was that it was all about &quot;treat women differently&quot;.  But we do that all the time.  there are nursing rooms for women, pregnancy leave, light duty because of pregnancy, programs for single mothers.... nothing similar for males." CreationDate="2019-03-14T17:27:53.873" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18067" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="@RichardU and the flags, and the fact that comments weren't leading to improvement, and (this is subtext) deteriorating." CreationDate="2019-03-14T17:33:21.913" UserDisplayName="user85135" />
  <row Id="18068" PostId="6043" Score="3" Text="It pains me to drag up the details of the answer in question here, but there's a point to be made.  Abuse is abuse, regardless of whether or not there's a differentiation between the parties or not.  Regardless of whether the abuse is physical.  In this modern world, we should not be in a position to stand by and ignore abuse if it doesn't conform to one specific form.  This is the aspect that the flaggers and commenters were finding intolerable." CreationDate="2019-03-14T17:38:13.783" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="18069" PostId="6043" Score="2" Text="@Snow I still can't fathom how not allowing a man to strike a woman is abuse." CreationDate="2019-03-14T17:52:32.927" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18071" PostId="6043" Score="9" Text="It wasn't just the number of flags but what the flags were *saying*, combined with a mod review.  Getting a bunch of people to raise junk flags won't cause mods to delete stuff, but bunches of flags get us to *review* things and we take flags into account when making decisions." CreationDate="2019-03-14T18:27:22.873" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18072" PostId="6043" Score="7" Text="@RichardU I can't fathom how it's appropriate to define abuse based only on the genders of the people involved.  Abuse is abuse -- men, women, non-binary, old, young, disabled, kung-fu black belts, bouncers, couch potatoes..." CreationDate="2019-03-14T18:33:46.583" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18074" PostId="6043" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio [The law does not agree with you.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model) and until they change the laws, Kilisi's advice remains prudent.  As a man: If you defend a man against another man's attack, you will likely be arrested.  If you defend a man against a woman's attack, you will **CERTAINLY** be arrested (again, the Duluth model) if you defend a woman against a man's attack, you're fine, and it you defend a woman against another woman, you'd better be careful.  These are realities of law.  Acknowledging law is not sexist" CreationDate="2019-03-14T19:17:15.847" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18075" PostId="6043" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio and I don't speak of this lightly, a good friend of mine was murdered by her boyfriend, so I am far more acquainted with abuse than I had hoped to ever be, but that doesn't change the realities of law." CreationDate="2019-03-14T19:18:27.113" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18076" PostId="6043" Score="6" Text="@RichardU few laws apply to the whole world, and I'd certainly question a claim based on a Wikipedia page with a factual-accuracy notice at the top and a first paragraph that doesn't even assert it's *law*.  This is also not the place to argue about legalities that might or might not apply in some hypothetical context.  If you disagree with the actions of the mod team, feel free to escalate.  (And by the way, a family member was abused for years by a female family member, so I have some experience here too.)" CreationDate="2019-03-14T19:22:32.590" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18078" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio you can always go to the source https://www.theduluthmodel.org/" CreationDate="2019-03-14T19:24:09.603" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18079" PostId="6043" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio but back to the point.  what is the standard?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T19:25:07.927" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18080" PostId="6043" Score="5" Text="Don't care -- you cited a source, I looked at it, I am not obliged to dig.  Even if there's a law somewhere, that doesn't mean it applies everywhere.  Remember that the Workplace is a worldwide site.  As for your question, two moderators have already answered." CreationDate="2019-03-14T19:26:22.317" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18081" PostId="6043" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio No, nobody answered the question.  But evasion is all I'm going to get it seems." CreationDate="2019-03-14T19:27:25.343" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18084" PostId="6043" Score="7" Text="@RichardU I answered your question **directly**.  As Monica pointed out, if your not in agreement with how this was handled by the moderation team, feel free to escalate." CreationDate="2019-03-14T20:47:24.107" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18089" PostId="6043" Score="1" Text="@RichardU You're flogging a dead horse, you're not going to get anything except feeble rationalisations to what was obviously a personal decision. These people never seen a real fight. Don't let it frustrate you." CreationDate="2019-03-14T21:59:35.537" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18092" PostId="6043" Score="2" Text="@MisterPositive  I will not be so immature as to escalate over something that I don't feel has been sufficiently explained.  The fact that I am frustrated does not mean that I have no faith in the moderators and seek to stir up trouble.  It just means I am frustrated" CreationDate="2019-03-15T14:03:34.907" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18095" PostId="6043" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi yeah, I thinks that's a good point.  No blue collar backgrounds or street fights means no experience in it.  I once ended up taking a beating because the punk who started it hid behind women and children." CreationDate="2019-03-15T15:32:02.963" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18103" PostId="6043" Score="1" Text="If mods are happy to say they don't care... and this isn't the first time I've seen that attitude... then perhaps they should step down from the role.... just a thought." CreationDate="2019-03-16T09:14:29.863" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18070" PostId="6044" Score="0" Text="It is hard to not fun afoul of the rules if one does not know the rules.  So, if I understand it, if people find something offensive for any reason, it's gone, but not the community at large make this decision?" CreationDate="2019-03-14T18:18:55.877" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18073" PostId="6044" Score="6" Text="@RichardU I think you could say in some extreme cases, we as your elected moderator team, will delete answers that require a lot of *our attention*.  In this particular case, the answer was considered by *many* as grossly offensive.  ( in this case to be specific sexist )" CreationDate="2019-03-14T18:38:03.753" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18077" PostId="6044" Score="2" Text="Well, in Kilisi's comments, he clarified that he was talking about legalities, which are 100% true, thanks to things like the [Duluth model](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duluth_model) and the [Mutual combatant](http://www.duhaime.org/LegalDictionary/M/MutualCombat.aspx) statutes" CreationDate="2019-03-14T19:22:41.850" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18091" PostId="6044" Score="2" Text="it wasn't a judgement call,or at best incredibly poor judgement.. no way did the question warrant deletion. And I doubt any of you mods understood the question or answer properly, because it's not your field of expertise. But it was mine for a long time. If you're going to delete answers that are outside of your expertise thats not a judgement call. If they require a bit of attention... so what? You're being paid in diamonds :-)" CreationDate="2019-03-15T06:08:13.930" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18224" PostId="6044" Score="2" Text="@RichardU From Wikipedia, &quot;Criticism of the Duluth Model has centered on the program's insistence that men are perpetrators who are violent because they have been socialized in a patriarchy that condones male violence, and that women are victims who are violent only in self-defense&quot;. This is one of the most horrible things I've seen all month... It's a nightmare especially for male and lesbian victims of domestic violence who are so often ignored... I'm glad it seems to be dying out." CreationDate="2019-03-25T04:52:45.993" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18225" PostId="6044" Score="1" Text="@forest Yes, and it made false accusations very easy, and extremely difficult to defend against.  You're right, about lesbian victims of DV, they have  an extremely rough go of it as it's still not taken very seriously on  the one hand, and on the other, if one of them tends to be on the masculine side, she's going to jail even if she's the victim, and there are no men's rights groups to help her." CreationDate="2019-03-25T10:20:54.043" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18094" PostId="6045" Score="7" Text="Thank you.  I understand now." CreationDate="2019-03-15T15:07:50.773" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18096" PostId="6045" Score="1" Text="&quot;The post in question advised people that the only form of abuse that people should intervene with is when a man hits a woman &quot; No it didn't, it was a valid strategy for a specific scenario..." CreationDate="2019-03-15T21:44:59.470" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18223" PostId="6045" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi The scenario was _not_ specific and was just about physical altercations in the workplace." CreationDate="2019-03-25T04:51:20.593" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18115" PostId="6046" Score="0" Text="I just read through the comments. Although there obviously are some moral ambiguity on what's right and what's wrong, seems like the real reason your answer was deleted was because there was some tension in the comments, as @MonicaCellio pointed out." CreationDate="2019-03-18T09:07:15.710" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="18116" PostId="6046" Score="3" Text="@Clockwork comments could have been moved to chat at a click, they are never meant to be permanent and it's done all the time. So not a reason for deletion of the answer." CreationDate="2019-03-18T09:14:06.457" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18117" PostId="6046" Score="0" Text="That was their decision. They might have been wrong in their action. But that point aside, seems like there's a lot of misunderstanding going on in the discussions there. From what I read, you know how important it is to prevent people from having a fight. But people thought your answer said &quot;if it's a man, let him die&quot;, when in fact all you meant was &quot;it's more dangerous to act if it's a man getting harassed&quot;. Maybe it could have been sorted out if everyone discussed it out calmly." CreationDate="2019-03-18T09:17:35.063" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="18118" PostId="6046" Score="2" Text="@Clockwork I'm not arguing your points, but this question just deals with it being right or wrong to have deleted it." CreationDate="2019-03-18T09:41:43.513" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18129" PostId="6046" Score="4" Text="Your concerns on this topic have been addressed by three moderators.  You may not agree, *and I understand fully that you don't have too*, but at **some point** you need to let this go or escalate if your still not happy with the outcome.  No need to keep this thing churning any longer." CreationDate="2019-03-18T12:11:22.837" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18139" PostId="6046" Score="5" Text="@MisterPositive are you going to delete this question? Or are you telling me I should stop clarifying if someone comments?" CreationDate="2019-03-18T15:41:18.320" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18185" PostId="6046" Score="1" Text="You were _advocating that people act in a sexist manner_ in addition to _expressing sexist views_. It was not the moderators on their own exercising some sort of personal vendetta against you, but a community expressing concern. Moderators exist to protect and serve the community, and that is what they did." CreationDate="2019-03-21T22:20:06.910" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18187" PostId="6046" Score="0" Text="@forest where did I do that? Did you read the deleted answer or just make that up?" CreationDate="2019-03-21T22:33:06.417" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18188" PostId="6046" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Yes, I read the answer and I commented on it before it was even deleted. Remember, I was the person who &quot;disgusted you&quot; because I told you that both sexes should be treated as equals?" CreationDate="2019-03-21T22:34:36.843" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18190" PostId="6046" Score="0" Text="@forest no sorry, don't recall you at all, I don't really pay much attention to that sort of thing. Are you still disgusted?" CreationDate="2019-03-21T23:08:14.817" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18191" PostId="6046" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Me? You were the one who called me disgusting. I am not disgusted myself. I'm glad to know you've calmed down about our disagreement regarding the equal treatment of sexes." CreationDate="2019-03-21T23:09:08.210" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18194" PostId="6046" Score="0" Text="@forest I was always calm, and don't even have a problem with equality. Unsure if you're trying hard to misunderstand me or just don't get it." CreationDate="2019-03-21T23:12:04.173" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18195" PostId="6046" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi You can see your deleted post along with the comments. Perhaps re-reading them will refresh your memory if you have trouble retaining things. It will help you remember what I and others have been saying, as well as showing your comments in which you were calling people disgusting and mentioning how horrified you are (which, while I wouldn't quite call it a tirade, was certainly not &quot;calm&quot;)." CreationDate="2019-03-21T23:13:30.130" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18196" PostId="6046" Score="0" Text="@forest that's fine, you didn't and still haven't said anything that makes sense to me. I admit on a personal level I find the thought of allowing a man to attack a woman in front of me distasteful.... if you're ok with that... that's your choice.," CreationDate="2019-03-21T23:15:22.663" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18197" PostId="6046" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi Given that you are asking why your answer was deleted, I'm not surprised. Since there are already other well-received answers to your question, I won't bother putting effort into further explaining what others have already been saying. I hope you will better understand what everyone has been saying after reading the answers. I've made it known that I find allowing a stronger person to attack a weaker person regardless of gender to be distasteful, but I see we differ and I'm OK with that. Have a good day. :)" CreationDate="2019-03-21T23:16:21.750" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18198" PostId="6046" Score="0" Text="@forest Great! Have a good day." CreationDate="2019-03-21T23:18:09.087" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18105" PostId="6047" Score="1" Text="https://politics.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3466/term-limits-for-moderators" CreationDate="2019-03-17T14:01:09.110" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18106" PostId="6047" Score="3" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/984/should-community-moderators-be-elected-for-life-or-have-terms" CreationDate="2019-03-17T14:02:32.050" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18107" PostId="6047" Score="5" Text="This seems like a continuation of the saga &quot;why was your answer deleted&quot;  based on this https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6035/why-was-my-answer-deleted and this https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6042/what-is-the-standard-for-mods-stepping-in-and-deleting-posts" CreationDate="2019-03-17T14:04:54.763" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18108" PostId="6047" Score="1" Text="related:  https://physics.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5434/how-does-a-moderator-lose-his-diamond" CreationDate="2019-03-17T14:07:39.587" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18110" PostId="6047" Score="0" Text="I don't rant, I see problems, I try and think of solutions. It's not about one deletion, it's a pattern . I'm no stranger to downvotes and deletions. Never made a peep before. If I'm misinterpreting cause and effect, feel free to let me know. Or just dismiss it as a rant I guess ~shrugs!" CreationDate="2019-03-17T14:25:49.630" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18113" PostId="6047" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive I'm also wondering why you call a short, polite question which has 18 upvotes, a rant? Or is my temerity for questioning also a rant?" CreationDate="2019-03-17T19:30:02.357" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18104" PostId="6048" Score="0" Text="just putting the idea out there at this point, I see a pattern emerging, best to make it known in some fashion. Usually a 'heads up' works with reasonable adults." CreationDate="2019-03-17T13:38:04.440" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18114" PostId="6048" Score="7" Text="Bruglesco has answered this question more than adequately and has provided an escalation path. Kilisi has made his point.  I think the time has come to move forward from this." CreationDate="2019-03-18T07:28:34.697" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="18134" PostId="6048" Score="4" Text="Yes, its time to move forward." CreationDate="2019-03-18T13:39:29.140" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18119" PostId="6049" Score="5" Text="It is rude. Someone asked a question and you said they were trolling." CreationDate="2019-03-18T10:31:44.520" UserId="83963" />
  <row Id="18124" PostId="6049" Score="0" Text="@Twyxz nope.I said &quot;SOUNDS LIKE [OP] is trolling&quot; and admitted right after,it's a possible scenario.No direct accusation." CreationDate="2019-03-18T11:33:29.490" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="18125" PostId="6049" Score="1" Text="I am thinking maybe, just maybe that *fugly* was a bit over the top." CreationDate="2019-03-18T11:42:04.073" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18128" PostId="6049" Score="6" Text="BTW, adding &quot;*Sounds Like*&quot; before your text does not mean you will be given a hall pass on the rest of the content." CreationDate="2019-03-18T12:00:43.820" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18132" PostId="6049" Score="0" Text="@Mister Positive  It's not a definitive accusatory form but the statement of an appearence of a potential.Very different in content and intent.Changing the statement of the sentence or paragraph. As for &quot;fugly&quot; being over the top, that's ludicrous and I guess you might think similarly. It may be that some jump on it nowadays thanks to rampant PC culture but it won't validate any potential accusation of it being inappropriate.It's a form used to prevent profanity while still keeping the meaning and power of the intended statement." CreationDate="2019-03-18T13:36:02.153" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="18133" PostId="6049" Score="1" Text="Certainly seems a a fairly minor transgression....mentioning troll... I don't really see anything wrong with the rest. I don't see any spam content at all." CreationDate="2019-03-18T13:39:24.783" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18136" PostId="6049" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere, that's why I even answered at all, giving OP the benefit of the doubt,maybe give others with similar observations an answer .but I dodn't want to completely ignore the possibility of trolling either." CreationDate="2019-03-18T14:03:38.593" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="18144" PostId="6049" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I can say that the sensable boundaries I see are quite far away. I honestly see absolutely nothing remotely profane, insulting or rude in what and how I said it. If I wanted to test the waters I would have used quite different language and frankly I'm really surprised and shocked as what seems to constitute rudeness,profanity or offensive language these days. I only saw dictatorships  and ideologies using censorship this cleverly by not attacking what has been said but how it was said to silence dissident opinion. Kind of how Al Capone got brought down,for taxes.Scary new world." CreationDate="2019-03-18T17:13:03.340" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="18146" PostId="6049" Score="1" Text="@DigitalBlade969 - dictatorships. Got it. It might not be good to compare yourself to Al Capone though. Just sayin..." CreationDate="2019-03-18T17:39:26.907" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="18151" PostId="6049" Score="0" Text="*sounds like you are trolling* is rhetorical subtext for *you're a troll* with the added escape clause that you will distance yourself from the taunt if the need arises." CreationDate="2019-03-19T00:46:54.370" UserDisplayName="user85135" />
  <row Id="18152" PostId="6049" Score="0" Text="@bruglesco no,it expresses that I have a suspicion but am not certain.Thus speaking in subjunctive or irrealis mood,stating a possibility,without the certainty of it being factual or real.But these kinds of nuances are dead in the current days of black and white and jumping to being offended to simply kill any discussion that challenges the readers / listeners views while at the same time silencing an opposing opinion.Very effective,very dangerous and very totalitarian. Case in point, my posts deletion.Not with arguments against my statements but with exaggerated outrage and misinterpretation." CreationDate="2019-03-19T09:02:41.693" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="18122" PostId="6050" Score="0" Text="1.No direct accusation.I said &quot;SOUNDS LIKE OP is trolling&quot; and admitted right after,it&quot;s a possible scenario.2.what's wrong with assuming someone might think a person is too ugly and decides to show more &quot;norm conformant&quot; people instead?Other than the fact that this someone has issues to be addressed.3.nope.I said:&quot;there might be idiots out there&quot;.Talking about a HYPOTHETICAL person.I know nuances are not favoured these days but in language they're &quot;somewhat&quot; important,especially if the &quot;community&quot; has CENSORSHIP powers ! Granted,there were some sentences in your answer that weren't incorrect." CreationDate="2019-03-18T11:13:55.323" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="18126" PostId="6050" Score="10" Text="Prefacing &quot;sounds like&quot; to something doesn't really change anything - accusing someone of trolling is the same as saying &quot;you sound like you're trolling&quot;.  In any event, accusing (or suggesting) that someone is trolling is in itself a form of trolling." CreationDate="2019-03-18T11:57:37.363" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="18127" PostId="6050" Score="11" Text="The simple solution is this.  If you think that a question is a made-up or trolling question, then VTC and move on - there's absolutell no need to make the situation worse by answering it, as you only contribute to it's traffic." CreationDate="2019-03-18T11:58:49.613" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="18130" PostId="6050" Score="0" Text="oooh but it changes a lot! It's not a definitive accusatory form but the statement of an appearence of a potential.Very different in content and intent.That's what I was saying about nuance! https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/sounding: &quot;to seem like something&quot; I had a feeling it might be trolling but I wanted to give OP the benefit of the doubt or at least a chance for others in comparable situations to see an answer to the scenario." CreationDate="2019-03-18T13:06:37.857" UserId="87734" />
  <row Id="18131" PostId="6051" Score="5" Text="Thanks for your insights. It wasn't a personal opinion, it was a professional judgement on the situation. The repercussions both social and legal on defending a women as apposed to defending a man in a fight are totally different. I have years of practical experience and training in this." CreationDate="2019-03-18T13:29:46.667" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18170" PostId="6051" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi I think your comment here highlights something important that is possibly the root of your meta question: Stack Exchange doesn't exactly favor the &quot;right&quot; answer - in some cases there is no &quot;right&quot; answer and in other cases there are several  &quot;right&quot; answers. Stack Exchange favors the **most popular** answer. Popular answers generally have reasons for their popularity, and are almost always genuinely helpful for the situations asked about. Your answer was very unpopular and is **viewed** as unhelpful and offensive. There is a culture here and your answer didn't fit in that culture." CreationDate="2019-03-20T20:31:36.810" UserId="35944" />
  <row Id="18171" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi To expand just a bit - perhaps your answer is or has been valuable to you in your life and your culture. That doesn't mean that your answer is valuable in the situation and culture that the OP is asking about. The idea here is not to give information that helped you in the past, it's to give information that will help the OP (and others) in the present/future. That at least explains the downvotes. Whether or not you view your answer as sexist, other users **did** view it as sexist, and SE policy is such content should not remain. Maybe that's harsh from your end, but it's the policy." CreationDate="2019-03-20T20:35:09.937" UserId="35944" />
  <row Id="18178" PostId="6051" Score="1" Text="@ToddWilcox Downvotes are totally a different matter and the question isn't about them. What matters is a line between &quot;I don't like something&quot; and &quot;something is against the site's policy&quot;, and the dangers of mixing the two." CreationDate="2019-03-21T08:20:35.223" UserId="37016" />
  <row Id="18181" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@ToddWilcox how did you make the judgement it's not relevant to the OP's situation? There is no location tag. In any case it's 100% relevent anywhere they respect women.... During my ban over contesting the deletion, I posted this debacle on a social media group exclusively made of ex bouncers, security and police from around the World who share experience. We all had a bit of a laugh but all agreed it's the best solution for the OP. Now I'll probably get banned again for saying that." CreationDate="2019-03-21T21:02:21.550" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18189" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi I could share this with a group of humanists and rights activists, and they would say the opposite. You can't claim that your view is correct because a group you belong to agrees with your view." CreationDate="2019-03-21T22:41:28.960" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18192" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@forest my group is professionals who got paid to analyse and act on these sorts of situations from both the physical safety side and the legal repercussions, very different scenario." CreationDate="2019-03-21T23:09:38.933" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18193" PostId="6051" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi Your answer did not use safety or law as reasoning. If you said not to intervene because &quot;it might be too dangerous for you&quot; then it may have gotten less flags. If you said that &quot;defending a man from a woman might get you in more legal trouble than the other way around&quot;, then the same might apply. However, you said not to defend a man from a woman or another man because it's &quot;not your circus&quot;. Your answer came across as a statement on ethics to me and many others (i.e. what is _right_ to do, not what is least legally-risky). Your many comments support that interpretation." CreationDate="2019-03-21T23:11:07.767" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18199" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@forest If we devalue the answers from experienced professionals in an industry in favour of human rights activists then I think we have a serious problem." CreationDate="2019-03-22T00:38:24.657" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18200" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi I think you underestimate the level of professionalism in certain humanist organizations. It takes far more than physical training (though in some cases no physical training is required). Note that &quot;humanitarian activists&quot; does not refer to random people on the internet who donate to Democracy Now or something, but professionals who stay in exceptionally-dangerous areas of the world to do good." CreationDate="2019-03-22T00:55:06.180" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18201" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@forest like bouncers, bodyguards, policemen? The ones you discounted already? I've been stabbed and shot at in the course of work... seemed fairly dangerous to me...." CreationDate="2019-03-22T01:00:46.573" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18202" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi This isn't a &quot;which job is more dangerous&quot; contest. I'd surely prefer the opinion of a PhD researcher to that of a thug for example, despite the fact that the latter is much more likely to get shot at or stabbed." CreationDate="2019-03-22T01:14:48.083" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18203" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@forest I'd prefer the opinion of a hands on professional than an academic. I find your insinuation that bouncers, bodyguards and policemen are thugs a bit offensive and I'm hoping you just move along." CreationDate="2019-03-22T01:38:55.113" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18204" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi I used &quot;thug&quot; as an example of a generic unsophisticated occupation which, while being a dangerous occupation, is not necessarily a source of accurate information. I sincerely did not mean to imply that bouncers and the like are thugs (or unsophisticated). They are people who are putting themselves at extreme risk for their job and would surely act far more expertly in a serious physical altercation than I. My point was only that the danger of an occupation is irrelevant. Substitute thug with loan shark or similar if you wish." CreationDate="2019-03-22T01:42:08.987" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18205" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@forest experience with how they play out and the repercussions of violent confrontations is the point, which is inherent within some occupations That's what makes the professions relevant.... but I'll probably be banned again if I keep trying to explain... so will leave you to it." CreationDate="2019-03-22T01:56:04.673" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18206" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi I don't think you'll be banned for explaining anything. I do not disagree that your profession has experience in dealing with violent confrontations, but that does not mean that your _ethical considerations_ are ideal, since that is how you framed your answer. Likewise with my profession (information security), two people with equal credentials could advise identity theft to make money, or pentesting (legitimate security testing done for paying companies). An expert in identity theft or blackhat SEO may know what they are talking about, but that wouldn't mean their advice is ethical." CreationDate="2019-03-22T02:01:03.757" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18207" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@forest ~shrug~" CreationDate="2019-03-22T02:07:41.417" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18218" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@forest I find your attitude towards blue collar work to be quite shocking." CreationDate="2019-03-24T14:21:50.117" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18219" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@RichardU I have nothing against blue collar work. I can see how my thug analogy came off as implying that bouncers and the likes were thugs, but I did not mean that." CreationDate="2019-03-25T00:14:02.897" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18220" PostId="6051" Score="1" Text="@forest as for an answer being **viewed** as anything, that's a dangerous idea to play with.  If the standard is how something is **viewed** then there is no standard at all.  Kilisi and I both come from rough backgrounds.  I have seen two coworkers and friends killed on the job, one of them murdered in cold blood.  We have real world, practical experience with violent behavior.  Kilisi's answer was 100% correct in most circumstances in most places in the world.  From the Duluth model in the USA, to various standards in the rest of the world." CreationDate="2019-03-25T03:17:39.507" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18221" PostId="6051" Score="1" Text="@RichardU Again, he was not phrasing it as a way to stay safe at the expense of doing the morally wrong thing. He was implying (and then explicitly stating later) that he believes his view is not just a way to stay safe, but _morally correct_, and that women are not _morally deserving_ of being defended if another woman is attacking them, and that men are not _morally deserving_ of being defended if a woman or another man is attacking them. That's a lot worse than saying that it might put you in an unsafe situation to get in between two men fighting. Many people had a problem with that." CreationDate="2019-03-25T04:38:12.207" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18222" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="Note also that it wasn't a mutual altercation that was being discussed. The topic was _assault_ against a person unable or unwilling to fight back. That is, a person _being attacked_, not just fighting." CreationDate="2019-03-25T04:41:26.630" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18226" PostId="6051" Score="0" Text="@forest If the main issue of the answer is the phrasing (and it is in fact an answer and not just an attempt to insult someone), then perhaps we should try to **fix** it rather than delete? Honestly this deletion looks like a way to punish a user for their behaviour, and it's clearly a wrong mean to that end." CreationDate="2019-03-25T10:33:13.427" UserId="37016" />
  <row Id="18228" PostId="6051" Score="1" Text="@DmitryGrigoryev Changing it would be changing the original and intended meaning of the post. Kilisi made it clear that he wrote what he intended, and that it was not just a poor choice of words." CreationDate="2019-03-25T23:25:57.743" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18137" PostId="6052" Score="0" Text="This particular question is also closed, so even if it were unprotected you would still not be able to answer it." CreationDate="2019-03-18T14:16:04.467" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18138" PostId="6052" Score="0" Text="Thank your for the information, this hsa not been visible until now. Is it possible to reopen the topic?" CreationDate="2019-03-18T14:50:02.957" UserId="48929" />
  <row Id="18141" PostId="6052" Score="1" Text="@DavidK that doesn't address the question" CreationDate="2019-03-18T16:43:02.010" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18142" PostId="6052" Score="9" Text="@RichardU Yes, I know, that's why I didn't post it as an answer. I still thought it was useful information for the OP to have though." CreationDate="2019-03-18T16:54:58.607" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18143" PostId="6052" Score="1" Text="@MrTony If you would like that question reopened, the best way is to create another Meta post requesting that. Make sure to explain why you believe the question is on-topic, or how it can be easily edited to become so. Make sure to take a look at our [on-topic definitions](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic) to be sure the question is fixable too." CreationDate="2019-03-18T16:56:54.740" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18155" PostId="6056" Score="3" Text="I have also noticed that such shopping-list questions tend to gather link-only (as it is the case for this post) and poor answers in general... thus, why they need to be edited or if not possible closed" CreationDate="2019-03-19T18:30:45.067" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18156" PostId="6056" Score="0" Text="Maybe a better question is &quot;Does anyone have any *experience* of X&quot;. That is likely to attract people with expertise or at least experience. Neither of those is available easily on Google." CreationDate="2019-03-19T20:28:17.487" UserId="38630" />
  <row Id="18158" PostId="6056" Score="0" Text="I would have thought for questions like those, the &quot;What have you already researched and dismissed?&quot; comment would crop up." CreationDate="2019-03-20T09:17:07.727" UserDisplayName="user34587" />
  <row Id="18174" PostId="6056" Score="0" Text="It's not a shopping-list question, [revision #4 by DavidK](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/revisions/131991/4) fixed that. So this post is now obsolete. It's much better to fix a fixable question than lobby people to close/delete/declare it offtopic. It's now on-topic and useful. Btw your title is very non-neutral and leading... many of us would not share your reaction even to the original wording. I always try to see if there's some kernel of generalizable, on-topic." CreationDate="2019-03-21T00:02:59.160" UserId="16071" />
  <row Id="18161" PostId="6057" Score="3" Text="These questions usually have an easy fix: Instead of _can u pls give me teh forms_, they can be edited to focus on _what are the important things to be set out in this form_ and take it from there" CreationDate="2019-03-20T09:59:57.607" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="18164" PostId="6057" Score="0" Text="@rath I think that comment is very valuable. It's more helpful than just closing the question, but still (hopefully) allows you to preserve the OP's intent. I am usually very hesitant to edit questions in a way that actually changes the question (vs, say, editing for grammar) so maybe the best way to implement would be to suggest in comments that the OP make those edits if they see fit, in order to improve the question." CreationDate="2019-03-20T13:13:42.900" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="18165" PostId="6057" Score="0" Text="@dwizum I went ahead and made the edit. If the OP strongly disagrees, they can always roll it back (and be closed). The question looks like it's on the verge of closing, so we may want to keep an eye out in case it needs to be reopened." CreationDate="2019-03-20T13:16:55.517" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18159" PostId="6058" Score="0" Text="This doesn't happen to me, have you tried scrolling outside the window to try pull the background down? For me the entire window fits on the screen, how big is your monitor, and whats your resolution?" CreationDate="2019-03-20T09:40:41.173" UserId="83963" />
  <row Id="18160" PostId="6058" Score="0" Text="@Twyxz still the same. I try scrolling outside windows but nothing happened. It's like when I scroll inside badge it reached the bottom but the badge windows seems stuck on the bottom.  My Laptop screen is 15.6'. My resolution is 1366 x 768." CreationDate="2019-03-20T09:49:27.973" UserId="101142" />
  <row Id="18184" PostId="6058" Score="1" Text="Yeah, that dialog doesn't play nice with smaller screen resolutions. The issue is on our radar, but I don't have an ETA for a fix." CreationDate="2019-03-21T21:59:06.320" UserId="131" />
  <row Id="18176" PostId="6059" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I try both solution and its okay now. Its screen issue then." CreationDate="2019-03-21T01:57:22.383" UserId="101142" />
  <row Id="18183" PostId="6060" Score="0" Text="Great idea, I've wondered why we had 2 as well" CreationDate="2019-03-21T21:26:54.117" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="18229" PostId="6060" Score="0" Text="TBH, reading those tag descriptions, seems to me that they are different: *law* is for &quot;legal aspects of work contracts&quot; (which, although we don't give legal advice, these could be answered by anyone with some HR experience), and *legal* is about &quot;working within the legal system such as courts&quot;... based on that, seems to me that the intended use is different..." CreationDate="2019-03-26T23:20:54.547" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18230" PostId="6060" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Hm, I had just thought they were poorly worded ways of saying the same thing, but I can see that interpretation too. If that tag really is intended for legal jobs, I would guess that hardly any of them use the tag correctly, to the point that it's probably not worth trying to enforce that definition." CreationDate="2019-03-27T12:00:56.280" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18236" PostId="6060" Score="0" Text="@DavidK perhaps a merge would be in place here? That can be done, as far as I recall..." CreationDate="2019-03-27T17:19:45.683" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18237" PostId="6060" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Is a merge different than a tag synonym? I thought they were the same thing." CreationDate="2019-03-27T17:21:03.983" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18239" PostId="6060" Score="1" Text="(sorry, coffee still doesn't kick in)" CreationDate="2019-03-27T17:29:31.573" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23746" PostId="6060" Score="0" Text="Semi-related prior discussion: [Request to burninate \[legal\] and \[law\] tags](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5539/10313) (the top answer argues against burnination). That said, I agree that one of these should probably be merged into and made a synonym of the other. (If there should be a tag about jobs in law-related fields, it should have a much more clear and unambiguous name than either &quot;law&quot; or &quot;legal&quot;, which ostensibly refer to questions related to the law/legal issues themselves.)" CreationDate="2023-09-05T18:24:50.790" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="23747" PostId="6060" Score="0" Text="And yes, tag synonyms are slightly different from merges – tag synonyms cause new uses of the synonym to be replaced with the main tag, but questions that already have the synonym tag are not retagged/affected. A merge completely replaces the source tag with the destination tag on all questions that have the source tag (whether or not you leave a synonym in place afterwards), and is much harder to undo. But as stated in the [Meta Stack Exchange FAQ on tag synonyms/merges](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/70718/335251): &quot;All good tag synonyms should eventually be merged&quot;." CreationDate="2023-09-05T18:32:18.217" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="18167" PostId="6061" Score="0" Text="On a technical level, it shouldn't be a difficult feature to implement. Were there any other concerns? (For example - if one background image was changed to be an interactive object, people would want others to do things too?)" CreationDate="2019-03-20T15:30:56.953" UserDisplayName="user34587" />
  <row Id="18168" PostId="6061" Score="0" Text="That's part of it, sure. (see edit for explanation)" CreationDate="2019-03-20T15:46:18.193" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="18173" PostId="6061" Score="3" Text="I kind of expected this if I'm honest, but thank you for following up on this Catija! Maybe one day. :)" CreationDate="2019-03-20T22:53:23.210" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="18210" PostId="6062" Score="14" Text="If I make it out that way it will be whisky - we don't use the e for whisky in Scotland :-)" CreationDate="2019-03-22T11:37:55.010" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="18231" PostId="6062" Score="0" Text="Damn just by the title I knew it was you just by how you wrote it. Take care you too." CreationDate="2019-03-27T12:18:54.553" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="18312" PostId="6062" Score="0" Text="Cigars will make you vulnerable to *Cancer*!" CreationDate="2019-04-03T13:06:47.947" UserDisplayName="user18840" />
  <row Id="19995" PostId="6062" Score="5" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because @Kilisi has unretired. https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/users/40669/kilisi" CreationDate="2019-09-19T18:35:01.830" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="18249" PostId="6063" Score="5" Text="&quot;The most unique contributor of all time.&quot; - [how quickly we forget...](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/16993/vietnhi-phuvan). Ah, I see that was before your time :)" CreationDate="2019-03-28T09:46:14.497" UserId="7235" />
  <row Id="18298" PostId="6063" Score="2" Text="@AakashM well... Kilisi hasn't earned any penalty box time AFAIK. I hope you don't think &quot;unique&quot; == &quot;breaking the CoC&quot;" CreationDate="2019-04-02T18:21:34.967" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18302" PostId="6063" Score="0" Text="@AakashM Who's that user and what happened with them?" CreationDate="2019-04-02T21:44:16.057" UserId="19422" />
  <row Id="18310" PostId="6063" Score="0" Text="@async I don't know what happened, and who can ever really know another person? Read their posts is all I can recommend :)" CreationDate="2019-04-03T08:25:05.373" UserId="7235" />
  <row Id="18214" PostId="6064" Score="0" Text="I would add that suggesting edits also can help gain needed reputation (5 approved suggestions would suffice to answer protected questions). Personally I even prefer it over answering because this way is more convenient for me to familiarize with new site (especially if one invests a bit of additional effort into learning how [top site editors](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Editors&amp;filter=all) do it)" CreationDate="2019-03-23T06:55:39.920" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18211" PostId="6065" Score="1" Text="well, there is one answer that is 0/0 but it was posted at the time you wrote this..." CreationDate="2019-03-22T23:03:55.677" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18213" PostId="6066" Score="0" Text="You're right, it just struck me as odd scrolling down and seeing -2s everywhere. Guess I'm tilting at windmills here..." CreationDate="2019-03-23T01:52:52.483" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="18216" PostId="6070" Score="1" Text="That explains it actually, that's one way to practice your free speech." CreationDate="2019-03-23T14:18:41.223" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="18227" PostId="6071" Score="1" Text="As per &quot;do not migrate crap&quot; this question would need a pretty big clean-up, even before we consider if it would be on-topic there, which I'm not sure of." CreationDate="2019-03-25T11:41:17.377" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="18240" PostId="6080" Score="2" Text="I have to agree as well, since promoting baseless stereotypes of _any_ kind is problematic. Though I don't think downright _deletion_ is the solution since it already has answers, I do think something should be done (at least an edit). I have flagged the linked question." CreationDate="2019-03-27T22:31:23.643" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18252" PostId="6080" Score="0" Text="What's the new code of conduct?" CreationDate="2019-03-28T14:11:57.993" UserId="40440" />
  <row Id="18253" PostId="6080" Score="7" Text="Also, it's not clear in this question that the people being discussed are different sexes. It could be two men alone in the room together." CreationDate="2019-03-28T14:14:44.533" UserId="40440" />
  <row Id="18257" PostId="6080" Score="6" Text="OP in that question did a good job leaving sexism out of it. There's more sexism in this question than in that one; that one's just pure paranoia." CreationDate="2019-03-28T15:39:01.663" UserId="9364" />
  <row Id="18260" PostId="6080" Score="5" Text="I'm going to call BS on that, Agustin.  There is nothing sexist about my post, and you shouting &quot;J'accuse&quot; does not make it so" CreationDate="2019-03-28T18:06:57.390" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18378" PostId="6080" Score="1" Text="I've read the Q&amp;A here. Maybe it's good to remind people: **Don't assume** and then base your responses on your assumptions. (I'm not addressing someone specific here - under the question is just best place to leave this comment)." CreationDate="2019-04-09T08:32:22.290" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="18241" PostId="6081" Score="2" Text="The author was saying that they were uncomfortable being alone with this person for fear of being attacked by him, even while admitting said person wasn't being a creep or anything. It doesn't seem anything like a fear of enclosed spaces (which is claustrophobia, not agoraphobia btw). See a direct quote from them: _uncomfortable being alone with someone else in a closed-off room, in case of an assault?_." CreationDate="2019-03-27T23:35:16.333" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18242" PostId="6081" Score="3" Text="Good thing I'm not trying to diagnose anyone, eh @forest? ;-)" CreationDate="2019-03-27T23:37:07.090" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="18243" PostId="6081" Score="0" Text="Especially since an claustrophobic person would _hate_ doing what an agoraphobic person _needs_. :P" CreationDate="2019-03-27T23:37:39.673" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18244" PostId="6081" Score="4" Text="[I have a cunning plan](https://i.stack.imgur.com/dyVBp.png)" CreationDate="2019-03-27T23:40:01.770" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="18247" PostId="6081" Score="1" Text="you forgot to mention that an hour after question was posted system pushed it to HNQ where it got bunch of upvotes from [entertained](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/220099/165773) readers which naturally disincentivized asker from changing anything. No newcomer in their sane mind will change post that got score above 10 and &quot;nice question&quot; badge" CreationDate="2019-03-28T09:16:03.917" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18248" PostId="6081" Score="2" Text="...or maybe they didn't plan any changes from the very start and simply wanted their trolling to gain 70 hours of fame. Just like that recent guy with [fabricated story about patents](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/325713/hot-network-question-with-fabricated-story &quot;10K link at MSE with details on that&quot;)" CreationDate="2019-03-28T09:17:06.407" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18251" PostId="6081" Score="3" Text="Yeah... Y'all really gotta stop taking the bait." CreationDate="2019-03-28T13:47:27.173" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="18264" PostId="6081" Score="0" Text="comment above sounds like you accuse site regulars of being gullible. That's not very polite. And not very fair if you recall that similar issue at Stack Overflow was resolved not by blaming site users but by tweaking the system to make it push SO questions out of the hot list..." CreationDate="2019-03-28T19:40:09.877" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18265" PostId="6081" Score="0" Text="...have you considered dropping that double standard? Really, justification for that tweak protecting SO questions doesn't work anymore: they can't dominate HNQ because of new hard limit of 5 questions. So just turn off that old tweak and let SO questions run like at all other sites. And if they start complaining, just go to their meta and tell them to stop taking the bait. Then get back here and tell us how it went" CreationDate="2019-03-28T19:40:29.100" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18271" PostId="6081" Score="3" Text="@gnat please take your complaints about the hot network questions list elsewhere.  This question is about an accusation of sexism." CreationDate="2019-03-28T20:18:31.583" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18273" PostId="6081" Score="2" Text="Apples and oranges, @gnat. If this question had been posted on Stack Overflow it would've been deleted before I'd have even had a chance to read it. I expect you know that. The solution for HNQ amplification is probably to delay *non-SO* questions by some significant period of time - a day or more maybe - to give folks time to perform the sorts of cleanup and moderation that necessarily take longer here than on SO... **But that'll still have to be done.** This question got **4 answers** before it hit the network - and lots of upvotes and comments. It would have been an issue without the HNQ." CreationDate="2019-03-28T20:20:42.960" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="18274" PostId="6081" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio this answer is about how asker was supposed to edit the question to better shape and my comments are about reasons why this didn't happen. If you believe that matters of editing the question don't belong, consider removing this answer" CreationDate="2019-03-28T20:20:58.577" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18275" PostId="6081" Score="1" Text="each garden grows own fruits Shog. It is entirely natural that trolls adjust to site topics, they arrange their plots differently at Workplace than they did at IPS. And if they had the chance to pollute SO they would adjust accordingly (do you remember [croissants](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/190106/165773)?)" CreationDate="2019-03-28T20:24:05.273" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18276" PostId="6081" Score="1" Text="I do remember! I went &amp; bought a dozen chocolate-filled croissants to honor that event... Then ate 6 of 'em at once... Then felt very sick. But I also answered that meta thread... [Let's see what I recommended!](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/190106/dealing-with-find-out-whos-going-to-buy-the-croissants/190265#190265)" CreationDate="2019-03-28T20:26:29.910" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="18254" PostId="6083" Score="0" Text="There was nothing sexist about kilisi or his answer" CreationDate="2019-03-28T14:59:15.330" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18255" PostId="6083" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Yes, there was as far as the answer your referring to goes." CreationDate="2019-03-28T14:59:30.003" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18258" PostId="6083" Score="3" Text="@RichardU That debate has already been had [in this thread](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6035/why-was-my-answer-deleted), and I don't see the need to rehash it here." CreationDate="2019-03-28T16:35:15.877" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18283" PostId="6084" Score="1" Text="I'm not upset.  Just trying to see if the standards are enforced across the board" CreationDate="2019-03-29T19:05:55.307" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18284" PostId="6084" Score="2" Text="I'm just wondering if this had been about a black, or muslim coworker, if the response would have been the same" CreationDate="2019-04-01T13:57:35.090" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18286" PostId="6084" Score="0" Text="@RichardU To the extent that there existed the valid, independent problem with  the server room which did not at all depend on the identity of the other people, probably largely yes. I might lean more strongly towards the &quot;that concern is irrationally intense&quot; as an element of the answer for a variety of reasons. But the concerns about the room would still exist and there is no reason for the other parties to be disadvantaged or injured in any way by the OP pursuing some way to address those concerns-- the best solution quickly becomes the OP not working in that room, under any circumstances." CreationDate="2019-04-01T14:52:39.827" UserId="74269" />
  <row Id="18287" PostId="6084" Score="1" Text="I'm starting to suspect, as gnat mentioned, that this question may have been asked specifically for the reason to stir the pot." CreationDate="2019-04-01T14:55:19.620" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18288" PostId="6084" Score="0" Text="@RichardU Definitely possible, though not definitively demonstrated to be true. I will mention that the OP has done very little here: I've not seen any activity on the thread after posting, including to roll back my edit removing the offending information or to fan flames in any way. All of the pot-stirring action seems to be from the vigorous reaction of some of the regulars here, responding to a pretty oblique provocation (if that even is what the post was, which again is far from proven)." CreationDate="2019-04-01T15:15:13.320" UserId="74269" />
  <row Id="18289" PostId="6084" Score="0" Text="Again, I'm just trying to figure out what the standards are here.  I'm finding it hard to divine them.  I just don't see how advising to step in if a woman is attacked is sexist, but suggesting that all men are abusers Is not.  It would help if we had concrete standards, or at least less vaporous ones." CreationDate="2019-04-01T15:19:18.907" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18290" PostId="6084" Score="2" Text="@RichardU It might help your investigation to not use the most inflammatory exaggerations you can think of. *All men are abusers* is *not* an element of the question, and never was. The question is identical with all mentions of gender removed and in no way depends on the presence of your assertion. Neither of us can speak to the OP's intent, so that's all we have to go on. And, as I mentioned elsewhere, it's possible that Kilisi's answer was improperly judged and deleted-- hunting for other postings to close on the same grounds is a point-making spectacle, not a practical investigation." CreationDate="2019-04-01T15:26:15.090" UserId="74269" />
  <row Id="18291" PostId="6084" Score="1" Text="What constitutes a practical investigation when all efforts to do so are dealt with either vacuous obfuscations, or a simple &quot;I don't care&quot;.  You must admit that it does limit the options to less than subtle ones." CreationDate="2019-04-01T15:40:10.380" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18292" PostId="6084" Score="1" Text="@RichardU I don't know you well, and so I don't consider these to be very meaningful opinions on my own part. You are claiming that you want to &quot;figure out the standards&quot;, suggesting that you want to be able to faithfully follow them in the future. I think that you don't approve of the standards, as you understand them, *whether they are consistently applied or not.* It seems, to me, that you *really* want to force an admission that the deletion of Kilisi's comment was wrong and (possibly) reverse it. The current approach of shoehorning this question into the same category as that answer (and" CreationDate="2019-04-01T15:46:08.170" UserId="74269" />
  <row Id="18293" PostId="6084" Score="1" Text="admittedly, that's not hard to do with this question) doesn't strike me as having anything to do with improving understanding. I *also* don't think that it will be effective in forcing any changes or admissions of mistakes, even if your most damning assessment of events is in fact correct. So, to the extent that my interpretations are at all accurate, this seems like an example ginned up to allow for some noise to be made and no other purpose. I'm not commenting on the validity of your position on site standards, but it's a tough sell to suggest that the question is as you've characterized it." CreationDate="2019-04-01T15:50:36.963" UserId="74269" />
  <row Id="18294" PostId="6084" Score="1" Text="I'm autistic, and tend to see things in black and white, so the finer granularity I can get, the more I like it, and it disturbs me greatly when I can't see a pattern or guidelines.  I know it often gives the impression of me being like a dog with a bone, or overly belligerent, but that's just the nature of autism, and why we are seen as having poor social skills because we tend to hold onto an issue until we get concrete answers.  I'm not one to gin up trouble.  If I were, I would be playing an extremely long game to wait until I hit 100k rep to do it." CreationDate="2019-04-01T15:59:30.630" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18262" PostId="6085" Score="1" Text="The OP is facing a problem of their own making.  The OP specifically says &quot;I don't have any reason to think my coworkers would assault me&quot;." CreationDate="2019-03-28T19:32:03.323" UserId="86962" />
  <row Id="18269" PostId="6085" Score="4" Text="The question about not shaking hands wasn't sexist.  Not all mentions of gender differences are sexist.  Sexism is *negative*; that question was about somebody with religious restrictions about opposite-gender touching trying to find a *professional* (not sexist) way to handle the situation." CreationDate="2019-03-28T20:16:34.020" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18277" PostId="6085" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I don't disagree with that. Still, some would call the behaviour sexist, even when religiously prescribed. The point is, as you mentioned, we're here to help people navigate these situations, not delete their posts because if -isms." CreationDate="2019-03-28T23:25:37.423" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="18278" PostId="6085" Score="1" Text="Your labeling that question as &quot;genuinely sexist&quot; prevents me from upvoting an answer that I otherwise agree with, BTW.  That some call the behavior sexist doesn't make it so." CreationDate="2019-03-29T00:33:05.163" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18280" PostId="6085" Score="0" Text="@DaveG - would it be &quot;of their own making&quot; if the OP has a psychological condition causing this unwarranted fear?" CreationDate="2019-03-29T11:23:00.360" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="18281" PostId="6085" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere What I mean is that there's no external cause or reason, this is internally generated in her mind." CreationDate="2019-03-29T11:55:03.000" UserId="86962" />
  <row Id="18261" PostId="6086" Score="0" Text="Meta isn't supposed to work differently.  Can you link to the question with the odd sequencing?  Also, did you get a notification for this comment?" CreationDate="2019-03-28T19:31:13.867" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18266" PostId="6086" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I did get this notification. The post I was missing notifications from is [this one](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6083/16983)." CreationDate="2019-03-28T20:03:45.717" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18270" PostId="6088" Score="3" Text="Very interesting, and makes a lot of sense! Since it seems to be a super-rare edge case, I'm not too worried about getting it fixed. Thanks!" CreationDate="2019-03-28T20:16:45.450" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="18301" PostId="6090" Score="19" Text="&quot;When someone who is autistic is functioning well, it's difficult to recognize that they even have it&quot; - careful there. The idea that &quot;success&quot; for an autistic person equates to ability to pass as neurotypical is dangerous. An autistic person who's putting a lot of effort into passing may be severely stressed by that effort, and somebody who prioritises self-care ahead of looking &quot;normal&quot; may be much healthier for it. Unfortunately &quot;functioning&quot; labels seem to be based more on how useful an autistic person is to others than on that person's well-being." CreationDate="2019-04-02T21:29:58.187" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18303" PostId="6090" Score="13" Text="@GeoffreyBrent er, no.  &quot;functioning&quot; is just that.  How well you function.  I have a friend who is very high functioning, who needs virtually no, assistance, to someone like me, who is high functioning, but needs some assistance in day to day functioning, to someone like another friend of mine who needed everything outside of his work life managed..  It's not about &quot;passing&quot; as an NT, and quite frankly, suggesting that it is is rather insulting.  By &quot;not knowing they have it&quot;, I mean asymptomatic, which I can attest to, is a far more pleasant state than having a meltddown." CreationDate="2019-04-02T23:27:10.593" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18304" PostId="6090" Score="3" Text="@Richard_U As an example: stimming behaviours are a common and healthy outlet for autistic people, and also one of the most visible signs of autism. An autistic person who suppresses stimming makes themselves less recognisable, at the cost of increased stress - which can then lead to a meltdown or other problems down the road. IME labels like &quot;high functioning&quot;/&quot;low functioning&quot; are almost invariably assigned based on how well an autistic person masks their autism, rather than on wellbeing." CreationDate="2019-04-03T01:33:43.170" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18305" PostId="6090" Score="5" Text="see e.g. [“Putting on My Best Normal”: Social Camouflaging in Adults with Autism Spectrum Conditions](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5509825/) for research into what happens when &quot;difficult to recognise as autistic&quot; is seen as the goal." CreationDate="2019-04-03T01:35:40.913" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18306" PostId="6090" Score="7" Text="@GeoffreyBrent I hardly need instruction on how to be autistic, thank you.  And this post was to raise awareness, not to shame people into any behavior, or abstention from such." CreationDate="2019-04-03T01:52:16.520" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18307" PostId="6090" Score="8" Text="I'm not telling you how to be autistic. If you personally find that you're less recognisable as autistic when functioning well, that's entirely valid for you. But when you imply that &quot;easily recognisable as autistic&quot; = &quot;not functioning well&quot;, you're making a generalisation that can be very harmful to those of us whose experience is not identical to yours." CreationDate="2019-04-03T02:48:37.817" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18308" PostId="6090" Score="5" Text="(also, at no point did I suggest you were trying to shame people into/out of behaviour, not sure where you're getting that from?)" CreationDate="2019-04-03T03:00:45.433" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18309" PostId="6090" Score="3" Text="I've seen people who aren't aware that Asperger's syndrome is a part of the autistic spectrum, so it may be useful to point that out in this guide." CreationDate="2019-04-03T06:11:20.243" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="18313" PostId="6090" Score="1" Text="@GeoffreyBrent I am implying nothing, you are drawing inferences, and the wrong ones." CreationDate="2019-04-03T13:38:38.420" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18314" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="@forest good idea, I'll edit that in" CreationDate="2019-04-03T13:39:23.087" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18315" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="@GeoffreyBrent So, what harm am I doing.  Please quantify" CreationDate="2019-04-03T15:42:01.007" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18317" PostId="6090" Score="5" Text="(1/n) You stated that when autistic people are functioning well, it's difficult to recognise that we are autistic. This [inherently implies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transposition_(logic)) that somebody who *is* easily recognisable as autistic - e.g. somebody who stims, avoids eye contact, etc. etc. cannot be functioning well. I don't think you intended that implication, but it *is* inescapably implied by what you did say." CreationDate="2019-04-04T01:06:10.393" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18318" PostId="6090" Score="10" Text="(2/2) There's potential harm there in misdiagnosing an autistic person as &quot;not functioning&quot; when in fact they're functioning very well *because* they're prioritising self-care instead of suppressing healthy but &quot;weird&quot; behaviours. On the flip-side, autistic people who are good at masking can appear quite &quot;normal&quot; while experiencing severe distress - often exacerbated by the effort of masking - so it can be harmful to have people assume that if I'm acting neurotypical, I must be okay." CreationDate="2019-04-04T01:20:37.803" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18319" PostId="6090" Score="7" Text="(BTW, the rest of what you posted here is excellent, and I ought to have said that yesterday. It's just this one bit that I think is problematic, and I doubt the problematic implication is one that you intended.)" CreationDate="2019-04-04T01:22:16.510" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18320" PostId="6090" Score="1" Text="@GeoffreyBrent I don't think it inherently implies that at all. All I read that to mean is that when somebody is not stressed and things are going fine, people might not notice that they have difficulties. My stimming and struggle with eye-contact aren't really as specific &quot;autistic indicators&quot; to non-autistic (and unaware) observers as you may think. Only my line manager and HR actually were told on my employment about my condition and a lot of people I've told later have either been surprised or just thought &quot;oh, X makes a little bit more sense now&quot;." CreationDate="2019-04-04T08:40:09.803" UserDisplayName="user83084" />
  <row Id="18322" PostId="6090" Score="1" Text="@GeoffreyBrent again, you're confusing inference with implication.  I was very careful with my words.  I didn't say that someone who is not high-functioning was not functional, nor did I say that high functioning people don't have symptoms, only that a high functioning autistic who is functioning well may be difficult to spot by (by NTs).  I know of four people in addition to myself, who do not present, unless under stress.  I then went on to clarify that things such as changing specs may be enough." CreationDate="2019-04-04T12:51:00.140" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18329" PostId="6090" Score="11" Text="Why is this (non-)question here on meta?  It's not about the site or the community.  If you want to provide an answer about how to work with autistic coworkers, please find a question on the main site to attach it to. (If you ask it yourself, make sure it's not too broad.)" CreationDate="2019-04-04T18:31:26.980" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18330" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio because it's a discussion, and it's autism awareness month?" CreationDate="2019-04-04T18:33:57.810" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18331" PostId="6090" Score="3" Text="The discussion tag doesn't mean &quot;discuss anything you like here&quot;; it still needs to be related to the site or community somehow." CreationDate="2019-04-04T18:42:02.710" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18332" PostId="6090" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio autistics aren't part of this community?  It's starting to feel that way." CreationDate="2019-04-04T18:42:34.823" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18333" PostId="6090" Score="20" Text="*Sigh*  Yes, autistics are part of the community; that should be obvious.  So are blind people, hearing-impaired people, wheelchair users, men, women, nonbinary, genderqueer, many races, many religions, many professions, Windows users, Linux users... does that mean every &quot;X day/week/month&quot; for any of these should get a meta post?  I ask again: what does this have to do with *this community*, by which I mean people engaging in asking and answering questions about the workplace?  Try to understand the *underlying issue*, the *pattern*, which I've heard is a natural strength of the autistic." CreationDate="2019-04-04T18:51:12.313" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18334" PostId="6090" Score="5" Text="@MonicaCellio Oh, it's very much a strength, limited by the literalism, of course, as we tend to attack the wrong problem at times.  But, given the rather large number of autistics in the community in general, and in the field of IT, which are the predominant posters here, as well as the numerous questions about dealing with autistic coworkers, of which I have answered numerous ones, I figured that this would in fact be relevant to the community." CreationDate="2019-04-04T18:58:24.750" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18336" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="Easy targets for what (last paragraph)?" CreationDate="2019-04-05T01:58:37.927" UserId="478" />
  <row Id="18348" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="@PeterMortensen easy targets for bullying, being taken advantage of, being fooled, et cetera." CreationDate="2019-04-05T17:08:05.220" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18362" PostId="6090" Score="4" Text="@RichardU Your original post didn't say that a HFA functioning well &quot;may&quot; be difficult to spot. You said that when &quot;somebody who is autistic&quot; - not specified as HFA - is functioning well, it *is* difficult to spot them. Those two caveats are very important, and they're not present in the original post. Had they been, I wouldn't have had an issue with it." CreationDate="2019-04-05T20:05:55.387" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18363" PostId="6090" Score="3" Text="@DoctorPenguin This is Logic 101: if A implies B, then not-B implies not-A. For A substitute &quot;functioning well&quot; and for B substitute &quot;hard to recognise as autistic&quot;. And there's nothing in the OP that says &quot;**might** not notice&quot;; if it *had* included that qualifier, it would've been fine." CreationDate="2019-04-05T20:08:16.433" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18369" PostId="6090" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio I think that this is a valuable post." CreationDate="2019-04-07T03:02:53.827" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="18370" PostId="6090" Score="5" Text="@EJoshuaS I think it would be valuable as an answer on main (as suggested in DarkCygnus's answer)." CreationDate="2019-04-07T03:13:42.600" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18372" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="@GeoffreyBrent Except you can't just substitute those things, because those statements are not rigid variables, they are statements with nuanced meaning that can be interpreted in a different way, one of which you have chosen purely to take umbrage with, regardless of intent. You're so desperate to find an insult that isn't there that you're actively insulting, patronising and belittling others now." CreationDate="2019-04-08T09:01:20.217" UserDisplayName="user83084" />
  <row Id="18381" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="@DoctorPenguin Speaking of &quot;patronising&quot;: before you engage in long-distance psychoanalysis of somebody you've never met (and as an autistic person, you ought to be aware of how obnoxious that is), may I recommend *reading the words I wrote here*? I explicitly stated, *twice*, that I didn't believe Richard intended the problematic implication here, so I have no idea where you're getting the idea that I'm taking it as an insult. But as many of us have learned, when it comes to communication, &quot;intent&quot; ain't everything. (1/2)" CreationDate="2019-04-09T20:15:03.850" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18382" PostId="6090" Score="1" Text="@DoctorPenguin Even if you believe that both interpretations are possible... given that one of those interpretations is problematic, and that this post is intended as a guide for non-autistic people who are not guaranteed to interpret things the way the OP intended, that's still more than enough reason to clarify the wording. It's not like it would be difficult to change &quot;it is&quot; to &quot;it may be&quot;." CreationDate="2019-04-09T20:20:32.067" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18383" PostId="6090" Score="0" Text="I wanted to add my thanks along with the others. I really appreciate that you took the time out of your day to post this for everyone. Thank you Richard!" CreationDate="2019-04-08T15:29:36.457" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="18300" PostId="6092" Score="1" Text="that may be a good idea.  I wrote this because of some of the comments and answers I've seen since I've been here.  It amazes me that with all the exposure the spectrum has been getting, people still have misconceptions about it" CreationDate="2019-04-02T18:32:44.260" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18311" PostId="6092" Score="1" Text="This is a great idea - we've got a few regular members who are NA (at least 6 that I can think of) so if they wanted to contribute in we could end up with a decent community wiki answer" CreationDate="2019-04-03T11:35:29.723" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="18337" PostId="6092" Score="2" Text="I think this is a great suggestion. it's a great post - but i don't think it's appropriate for a long-standing meta post here." CreationDate="2019-04-05T12:25:08.660" UserId="99215" />
  <row Id="18371" PostId="6092" Score="2" Text="This is a great suggestion." CreationDate="2019-04-07T13:58:09.597" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21944" PostId="6092" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu, what does &quot;NA&quot; mean? Neuro-atypical or Not Autistic?" CreationDate="2020-09-17T11:28:15.933" UserId="69938" />
  <row Id="21945" PostId="6092" Score="1" Text="@OmarL Neuro-atypical" CreationDate="2020-09-17T15:00:34.870" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="18316" PostId="6095" Score="0" Text="Hey, good to see you around!" CreationDate="2019-04-03T19:47:57.517" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18323" PostId="6097" Score="2" Text="I voted to reopen. It's done." CreationDate="2019-04-04T16:09:16.210" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="18324" PostId="6097" Score="0" Text="Heh, you beat me for one second @JoeStrazzere" CreationDate="2019-04-04T16:09:50.497" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18325" PostId="6097" Score="8" Text="@DarkCygnus - as I try to explain to my grandchildren - not everything is a competition! ;-)  We still have a sad bunch of close-happy folks here, unfortunately." CreationDate="2019-04-04T16:10:40.540" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="18326" PostId="6097" Score="4" Text="it's not competition as the ultimate goal is to help :) I mentioned it because I casted my &quot;vote&quot; (which technically was the 6th) but it said &quot;the post is already open&quot;... something I have never seen before" CreationDate="2019-04-04T16:12:40.007" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18327" PostId="6097" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere this one kind of shocked me, as the financial companies have been struggling with this for decades now" CreationDate="2019-04-04T16:22:27.360" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18328" PostId="6097" Score="3" Text="@RichardU - I'm no longer shocked by frantic close voting. Just disappointed I guess. Always happy to vote to reopen most questions." CreationDate="2019-04-04T16:30:52.840" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="18335" PostId="6097" Score="1" Text="@RichardU &quot;Dragon Poker&quot; made me laugh" CreationDate="2019-04-04T20:54:13.620" UserId="68513" />
  <row Id="18384" PostId="6097" Score="0" Text="It was definitely a great question for curious people. More and more workplaces are having both TW immigrants and mainlanders working together. Although I think @RichardU has overstated the sensitivity of the issue quite a bit, it's definitely non-trivial, and there are easy ways to avoid inviting conflict." CreationDate="2019-04-10T23:38:17.273" UserId="90785" />
  <row Id="18349" PostId="6104" Score="0" Text="Should people with ASD/AS self-identify as such in their question (*and perhaps in a tag*)? That way folks would know to apply a different set of &quot;rules&quot; as you have expressed above. Also the folks who don't want to bother spending extra time with your suggestions, could more easily avoid the question at hand." CreationDate="2019-04-05T17:31:16.707" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="18350" PostId="6104" Score="13" Text="Assuming good intentions is a good rule to follow without regard to ASD/AS." CreationDate="2019-04-05T17:33:23.437" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="18351" PostId="6104" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere agree, the assuming good intentions needs to be observed far more in general, and just doing so would take a huge burden off of autistics." CreationDate="2019-04-05T17:35:48.037" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18352" PostId="6104" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Well, is it really a different set of rules to accommodate a disability?  Don't we cut curbs for people in wheelchairs, have braille keypads for ATMs?  Chirping crosswalk signals to allow the blind to know when to cross?  Lights on phones for the hearing impaired, and even relay systems for them?" CreationDate="2019-04-05T17:37:55.100" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18353" PostId="6104" Score="4" Text="I think you are conflating a different set of issues now. Certainly you aren't proposing that questions/answers be downvoted or closed because they aren't sufficiently &quot;ASD/AS accessible&quot; are you?" CreationDate="2019-04-05T17:45:33.637" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="18354" PostId="6104" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere oh, no not at all, just suggesting some things to people that might make it easier.  Not suggesting any policy changes or change to voting." CreationDate="2019-04-05T17:47:54.620" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18355" PostId="6104" Score="3" Text="Okay, sounds good. Curb cuts are required. Handicap toilet stalls are required. Writing clearer questions using precise language sticking to logical arguments is suggested." CreationDate="2019-04-05T17:48:23.373" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="18376" PostId="6104" Score="0" Text="Thank you Richard.  I hope there are some who will heed your call for more empathy and understanding and less judgement and vitriol.  Sadly it seems to not be the case in this very question." CreationDate="2019-04-08T15:18:59.287" UserId="49815" />
  <row Id="18380" PostId="6104" Score="0" Text="Just came to my attention that we have an [autism-spectrum](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/autism-spectrum) tag." CreationDate="2019-04-09T16:39:01.517" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="18356" PostId="6106" Score="0" Text="agreed, I think that assuming good intent as a general rule will benefit everyone in general" CreationDate="2019-04-05T17:48:37.037" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18357" PostId="6107" Score="1" Text="It's not a bludgeon to point out that some people have difficulties, and how to help those with difficulties.  You wouldn't say to a blind person who bumped into you, then said &quot;sorry I'm blind&quot; with &quot;Quit using your blindness to bludgeon those of us who can see&quot;.  This answer is 100% NOT assuming good intentions." CreationDate="2019-04-05T18:16:02.333" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18358" PostId="6107" Score="12" Text="So you wanted me to dress this up in &quot;I perceive&quot;s and &quot;perhaps&quot;s and weasel words, *against your explicit requests for people to be blunt with you*?  So I *shouldn't* respect your wishes?  Or is this a case of &quot;damned if you do, damned if you don't&quot; and the only way to win is not to play (answer)?  'Cause if it's that last, then we have a bigger problem." CreationDate="2019-04-05T18:21:11.853" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18360" PostId="6107" Score="0" Text="No, I just find it amusing that a moderator is ignoring both the &quot;be nice&quot; rule and the &quot;assume good intentions&quot; rule, and is engaging in behavior that if I did the same, would earn at least a two weeks suspension, if not longer, all while criticizing me for allegedly wanting two sets of rules." CreationDate="2019-04-05T19:13:35.680" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18361" PostId="6107" Score="11" Text="You're doing it again.  You're *asserting* that I'm ignoring the rules, instead of looking for an interpretation that assumes good intent.  Do you not see the irony in that?" CreationDate="2019-04-05T19:20:36.353" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18365" PostId="6107" Score="1" Text="Very good attempt at character assassination, and I walked into it.  Back to the simple facts.  Every last conclusion you make in your points are misrepresentations of my intent.  1)I have said both in my post and comments to Joe that the problem is that the &quot;assume good intentions&quot; rule is not being followed, and that doing so would benefit everyone 2)Again, in my post and in my comments, I've stated that these are not rules I'm suggestiing, but information on how to make it more welcoming by pointing out the difficulties autistics have.  3)In **EVERY** answer I have **EVER** posted, ...." CreationDate="2019-04-06T12:06:18.057" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18366" PostId="6107" Score="0" Text="... I have included the phrase &quot;A diagnosis is not destiny, nor is it an excuse&quot; and then added that the behavior needs to be corrected, so your accusation of my wanting to use disabilities as a bludgeon, is a false claim.  Lastly, Nowhere have I **EVER** made the assumption that all questions asked about autism are asked by autistics, and my **SECOND HIGHEST RATED ANSWER**  is to a question someone is asking about an autistic coworker.&#xA;&#xA;While I do appreciate the bluntness of your response, I do not appreicate the falsehoods within, and the very snark which you claim is why you avoid chat." CreationDate="2019-04-06T12:09:56.100" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18367" PostId="6107" Score="1" Text="Lastly, there is no irony in pointing out an obvious attempt to bait someone into a rant.  I'm kicking myself over this now, as I allowed you to use elements from private conversations to bait me into an irritated response.  What I posted in this discussion is right out of the DSM IV and DSM IV, although paraphrased, so if you have any issues with it, I suggest you take it up with the American Psychological association, and the authors of those books." CreationDate="2019-04-06T12:14:17.023" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18368" PostId="6107" Score="11" Text="You're making some *very* serious accusations, @Richard.  If you believe I have misused my moderator position or am in violation of site rules, then you owe it to the community to raise your complaint with SE so they can investigate.  If you don't actually believe that, then you owe me an apology for your false claims/errors.  (I have no idea what private conversation you're referring to, by the way.)  Until you do one or the other, I'm done discussing this with you." CreationDate="2019-04-07T02:07:28.253" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18373" PostId="6107" Score="6" Text="As someone with ASD, I broadly agree with this answer. I've always seen it as my responsbility to ensure my conduct, be it in my nature or not, does not unduely disrupt the operation of any groups I'm a part of. It's not in my interest to be coddled by any community in particular, especially with respect to personality flaws of mine that will work against me in a real life workplace scenario." CreationDate="2019-04-08T13:36:00.340" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="18374" PostId="6107" Score="6" Text="To clarify that further, there is nothing wrong and I'd argue it's very much in good spirit to keep in mind someone's perspective when judging intent, and assuming good faith is always a prerogative here, but my mental issues (including things like literalism, becoming hung up on specific language, and other things mentioned here) are mine to deal with and I cannot expect members of the stack to treat me any differently then a normal user because of them. If someone is rude, they're rude.  Whether they are that to me or any other user _should_ be immaterial" CreationDate="2019-04-08T13:58:16.717" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="18393" PostId="6114" Score="1" Text="In the spirit of &quot;exit interviews&quot;, is there any comment on what has finally inspired this decision?" CreationDate="2019-04-17T22:07:07.867" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="18394" PostId="6114" Score="0" Text="@Richard nah, it would just fall on deaf ears." CreationDate="2019-04-18T12:55:12.247" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18396" PostId="6114" Score="0" Text="You will be missed, sir." CreationDate="2019-04-20T05:06:17.310" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="18395" PostId="6116" Score="0" Text="Thanks, again, good luck to you and your family.  You sir, will be in my thoughts and prayers.  If you don't want my prayers, then you'll still be in my thoughts.  Good luck to you sir, and all the best." CreationDate="2019-04-18T19:50:20.817" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="18397" PostId="6117" Score="16" Text="Just a note, that question was on the Hot Network Question list which is shown on the right sidebar on all sites, and most visitors from there have only enough reputation to upvote but not downvote, thus possibly skewing the score." CreationDate="2019-04-22T07:42:20.420" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="18398" PostId="6117" Score="5" Text="@AndrewT. oh thanks, that does make a bit more sense! (Also: bloody HNQ...)" CreationDate="2019-04-22T07:48:24.037" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18400" PostId="6117" Score="1" Text="@GeoffreyBrent note that the ticked answer (by Sascha) also, precisely advises &quot;pretend it didn't happen / do nothing&quot; **and indeed** the ticked answer (by Sascha)  equally points out that the voyeur-person in the story is very much equally at risk of getting in trouble based on the bizarre actions of the voyeur-person." CreationDate="2019-04-22T15:31:17.787" UserId="22844" />
  <row Id="18404" PostId="6117" Score="0" Text="I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because utterly mischaracterizes the QA at hand, as if it was misread." CreationDate="2019-04-22T15:41:10.543" UserId="22844" />
  <row Id="18410" PostId="6117" Score="8" Text="@Fattie Can you please clarify how you think I've mischaracterised it? And yes, the ticked answer does also advocate &quot;pretend it didn't happen&quot;, but it doesn't suggest pursuing that to the extent of making false complaints/defamation action against the witness." CreationDate="2019-04-22T23:02:09.723" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18412" PostId="6117" Score="5" Text="@Fattie (but speaking of &quot;utter mischaracterisation&quot;, describing OP's co-worker as &quot;voyeur-person&quot; certainly fits the bill. It's not even established that she saw ANYTHING, let alone that she intentionally spied on OP.)" CreationDate="2019-04-22T23:17:59.730" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18414" PostId="6117" Score="2" Text="massive nitpick there but &quot;charged with defamation&quot; is a misnomer, as defamation / libel / slander are civil and not criminal actions, and the answer does not recommend taking legal action but to insinuate / report to HR that the company might be liable for civil action as a way to put on pressure." CreationDate="2019-04-23T07:33:18.560" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="18415" PostId="6117" Score="4" Text="@Magisch whoops, I thought I'd checked my language but I missed that bit - have amended to &quot;possibly seek to initiate action for defamation&quot;. IMHO the answer is unclear on whether it's actually recommending taking action or only using it as a threat, hence why I caveated with &quot;possibly&quot;, but even the latter is obviously unethical." CreationDate="2019-04-23T08:37:13.247" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18419" PostId="6117" Score="2" Text="I added the tag [meta-tag:hot-questions] but I am not 100% certain that it's directly relevant here - please feel free to delete this tag if you believe it's better without. (without dozens upvotes from HNQ visitors the discussed answer would probably get negative score and become eligible for deletion by 20K users but it's up to you to decide whether this is important)" CreationDate="2019-04-23T12:42:19.430" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18443" PostId="6117" Score="1" Text="@gnat I think it is relevant, thanks! I'm not familiar with meta tags so I appreciate the addition." CreationDate="2019-04-23T23:32:46.017" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="19443" PostId="6117" Score="5" Text="Forget illegal/unethical. **If it suggests doing harm**, especially to another human being, it should be removed." CreationDate="2019-04-24T04:43:03.993" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="19444" PostId="6117" Score="2" Text="@Mazura perhaps *unjust* harm? If somebody posts to say their co-worker is stealing from the till, and somebody answers to say &quot;report it to the manager&quot;... that may be very harmful to the thief, but I don't think many people would advocate for deleting that answer." CreationDate="2019-04-24T06:21:07.710" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="19447" PostId="6117" Score="2" Text="'Unjust' puts legality back into it. But then again, so does [Wiki's definition of *harm*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harm), which also includes ethics. - Perhaps it should be, 'if it suggests to subvert someone's *well being*', maliciously, and without cause (there's your 'unjust'). Also, not even my mother likes a tattletail...." CreationDate="2019-04-24T08:10:50.633" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="18407" PostId="6118" Score="3" Text="Awesome, can I be the person who gets to decide what's bad?" CreationDate="2019-04-22T19:36:53.687" UserId="22844" />
  <row Id="18408" PostId="6118" Score="3" Text="@Fattie I think that with placing notices we can avoid the need to make decisions for individual posts. Just set a fixed threshold of, say 15 or 20 downvotes for the notice to be placed and effect is visible." CreationDate="2019-04-22T19:43:23.790" UserId="102970" />
  <row Id="18409" PostId="6118" Score="1" Text="Sure, add a &quot;downvote alert&quot; and add an &quot;upvote alert&quot; in cases where an answer has apparent positive (or negative) votes, but in reality, there are a lot of votes each way." CreationDate="2019-04-22T19:48:09.893" UserId="22844" />
  <row Id="18405" PostId="6119" Score="18" Text="@Fattie feel free to write your own answer, but commenting on every post here to disagree with the question is not what comments are for." CreationDate="2019-04-22T18:47:39.953" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18411" PostId="6119" Score="2" Text="Either common law, or perhaps the jurisdiction relevant to the poster where that can be ascertained. And yeah, there will be grey areas where legality/morality is arguable and I'd generally want to give the benefit of the doubt... but it's hard to see much doubt in this particular case." CreationDate="2019-04-22T23:13:22.733" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18417" PostId="6119" Score="0" Text="We make a point to refer questions about the law to law.se, but happily deal with questions of law to decide whether an answer should be deleted? This seems to send a rather mixed message to site users ..." CreationDate="2019-04-23T09:57:07.437" UserId="10791" />
  <row Id="18418" PostId="6119" Score="5" Text="@meriton you don't need a law degree to know that things like stealing, hacking, murder, false allegations to police, etc are crimes. Law.se could help with the specific legislations, but most of the general populace are able to tell you some obvious crimes." CreationDate="2019-04-23T10:41:49.620" UserId="77409" />
  <row Id="18420" PostId="6119" Score="0" Text="Yes, but it is not the obvious crimes that get posted as answers. Case in point: The answer that sparked this debate did not recommend stealing, hacking, murder or false allegations to police. It could be read as simply an emphatic denial of misconduct that might be covered by 5th amendment (or similar) protections against self-incrimination. I don't think it is, but the case is not as obvious as you state, making me doubt that banning only obviously illegal stuff will resolve this issue." CreationDate="2019-04-23T13:12:17.003" UserId="10791" />
  <row Id="18421" PostId="6119" Score="6" Text="@meriton uhh knowingly making false allegations to HR (something they encourage in the post) is commonly known as *workplace harrassment* and *retaliation*. Both are very illegal in most jurisdictions." CreationDate="2019-04-23T13:21:53.773" UserId="77409" />
  <row Id="18422" PostId="6119" Score="0" Text="@meriton not to mention contempt of court charges from filing fraudulent legal proceedings." CreationDate="2019-04-23T13:38:37.940" UserId="77409" />
  <row Id="18423" PostId="6119" Score="0" Text="Aren't workplace harassment and retaliation crimes of the *employer* rather then the *employee*? (A quick google search seems to suggest they are?). And in what way is complaining to HR a &quot;legal proceeding&quot;? ... you see how quickly we get bogged down in legal minutiae? Anyway, that's why I think that the popular understanding of law is a poor guide, because the law is complex and different populations understand it differently." CreationDate="2019-04-23T13:50:41.450" UserId="10791" />
  <row Id="18424" PostId="6119" Score="2" Text="&quot;Aren't workplace harassment and retaliation crimes of the employer rather then the employee?&quot; Nope. Basically anyone can be guilty of the former and people in a position of power over the victim can perform the latter. Even if it is companies that get sued, it's individuals that commit the crime. &quot;And in what way is complaining to HR a &quot;legal proceeding&quot;?&quot; The post also recommends filing a defamation lawsuit against the person who saw them...doing what they were doing. No indication of gossip was shown in OP's post, and even so, it aint defamation if it's true." CreationDate="2019-04-23T14:04:07.297" UserId="77409" />
  <row Id="18416" PostId="6120" Score="4" Text="This is just to address the side-question: &quot;*I personally do not believe there is any other place on SE to ask this good question. Is it OK to ask where it is closest to being on topic on SE?*&quot; **only** if it's on-topic and abiding the site's score/policy. SE *never* promises to be the site where everything is allowed to be asked and answered." CreationDate="2019-04-23T08:46:19.417" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="18413" PostId="6122" Score="3" Text="Plus, the question and answers are over 2 years old now." CreationDate="2019-04-23T06:25:08.650" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="18425" PostId="6123" Score="7" Text="For what it's worth, the question was removed from HNQ pretty much as soon as a moderator saw it." CreationDate="2019-04-23T15:58:25.380" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18427" PostId="6123" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio at ~6K views it managed to gain prior to that removal the question is probably guaranteed to appear high in web search results, so I think we can safely replace &quot;on a HNQ question&quot; with &quot;on a top web search question&quot; (and this would be the proper change anyway because HNQ currently limits visibility only to 72 hours while web search results will be there for much longer)" CreationDate="2019-04-23T17:03:15.040" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18429" PostId="6123" Score="1" Text="i am not sure, but [current top answer](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/134234/how-can-i-regain-a-professional-atmosphere-with-someone-who-may-have-seen-me-mis/134239#134239) says nothing like &quot;Advising the OP to lie through their teeth throughout&quot; Did I miss something? Perhaps, you can add a disclaimer saying that top-voted answer now changed" CreationDate="2019-04-23T17:26:21.127" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="18431" PostId="6123" Score="1" Text="@aaaaaa I have added a disclaimer." CreationDate="2019-04-23T17:40:50.087" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="18432" PostId="6123" Score="8" Text="thanks :-) i am glad community here is standing up for professionalism. Workplace@SE is one of the best stacks" CreationDate="2019-04-23T17:44:08.060" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="19456" PostId="6123" Score="4" Text="@gnat it was a blatant troll question: timed precisely (Easter holiday weekend) to survive as long as possible in its original form on HNQ. Its wording seemed designed to kick up another Twitterstorm, possibly in an attempt to get Workplace temporarily removed from HNQ like IPS was." CreationDate="2019-04-27T09:52:44.497" UserId="70164" />
  <row Id="18434" PostId="6124" Score="1" Text="consider [edit]ing to explain how this approach can help inexperienced newcomers (who tend to only pay attention to answer score and ignore comments) find out that the answer is a toxic mindset and not the right way to go" CreationDate="2019-04-23T18:51:34.410" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18435" PostId="6124" Score="1" Text="Experience is not necessary to read comments. Dilligence is. And since stackexchange filters comments by vote, it's really easy to read through the upvoted comments to get a sense for the community's reaction." CreationDate="2019-04-23T20:24:19.327" UserId="10791" />
  <row Id="18436" PostId="6124" Score="4" Text="@meriton the problem with relying on comments is that they're transient in nature, many users delete their comments especially on controversial Q/As which can make for confusing reading." CreationDate="2019-04-23T20:31:43.810" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="18437" PostId="6124" Score="1" Text="Well, the remedy to this seems simple: If you want your comment to remain, don't delete it! And it is possible to write a self-contained comment, you know." CreationDate="2019-04-23T20:37:29.797" UserId="10791" />
  <row Id="18439" PostId="6124" Score="2" Text="I wonder how do you expect a random passer-by to know that particular comments are as important (in fact more important) than the answer. Especially when answer score (about +60) so clearly outweighs scores shown (in smaller font) for comments..." CreationDate="2019-04-23T21:53:53.100" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18440" PostId="6124" Score="4" Text="...I am afraid that it just doesn't work the way you think it does. I study hot questions and because of that I regularly visit unfamiliar sites and the thing I noticed is when I am over there, observing high post score really strongly obscures stuff in comments - and this is despite me knowing well that these can be worth checking, so I guess it is even harder for less experienced visitors." CreationDate="2019-04-23T21:54:01.983" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18441" PostId="6124" Score="0" Text="I may be weird, but when I visit an unfamiliar webpage, I actually read all the text it renders, top to bottom (except for navbar and ads, of course), until I have what I seek. I didn't need to understand comment scores to do that, because the site only shows to most upvoted comments if there are too many ... but yes, I am starting to realize stackexchange focuses on a different kind of visitor." CreationDate="2019-04-23T22:31:23.063" UserId="10791" />
  <row Id="18442" PostId="6124" Score="1" Text="you are right here, Stack Exchange focuses on a different kind of visitor, and they clearly say so in the [tour], &quot;questions and answers, no distractions&quot;, and the try to meet that promise so that comments are rather heavily deemphasized UX wise - from this perspective they are mere distraction (not that I complain though)" CreationDate="2019-04-23T22:45:21.797" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18444" PostId="6124" Score="0" Text="@gnat not to mention that our own rep system treats answers as infinitely more important than comments!" CreationDate="2019-04-23T23:37:19.023" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="18445" PostId="6124" Score="2" Text="@meriton &quot;if you want your comment to remain, don't delete it&quot; - it's not always the commenter who removes their comment! &quot;Discussion moved to chat&quot; happens quite frequently on SE." CreationDate="2019-04-23T23:38:54.300" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="19445" PostId="6124" Score="0" Text="(on a further thinking) this approach would likely work well on regular posts. In regular cases, high score very firmly indicates quality and usefulness (so that it is even fairly safe to ignore comments - that's where Q&amp;A system really shines, &quot;no distractions&quot;) - and on the other side when it gets many votes down it is reflected in low / negative score and people naturally start paying closer attention to comments explaining what's wrong, especially to high voted ones. (Not to mention that negative post score unlocks another useful option that 20K+ users can even delete the post.)" CreationDate="2019-04-24T07:38:18.217" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19446" PostId="6124" Score="0" Text="...yeah, I think for regular posts this approach would be perfect indeed. Unfortunately, nothing of that works in hot questions. In hot questions, normal semantics of votes is heavily obscured by upvotes cast on the grounds of [entertainment](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/220099/165773) and popularity. People come and see high score and they think it is like in regular cases, an indication of usefulness, and it is hard to impossible to tell that this just ain't so - because whole system works to teach them otherwise (in regular questions)" CreationDate="2019-04-24T07:38:24.550" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="18426" PostId="6125" Score="16" Text="As far as I can tell, your answer was deleted by the community casting a sufficient amount of rude &amp; abusive flags, not by moderators." CreationDate="2019-04-23T16:29:40.277" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="18428" PostId="6125" Score="15" Text="@Magisch is correct.  No moderators cast delete votes or rude flags; ordinary community members deleted the post." CreationDate="2019-04-23T17:09:19.303" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="18430" PostId="6125" Score="15" Text="As @Magisch stated, your answer was removed by the community.  And just because an answer or question is highly voted does not mean it cannot be removed by the community or if the moderation team deems it appropriate." CreationDate="2019-04-23T17:33:08.670" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="18446" PostId="6125" Score="4" Text="Clarifying that I am not a moderator." CreationDate="2019-04-23T23:41:14.170" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="19448" PostId="6127" Score="1" Text="Well thanks, that makes it very clear. I hadn't realized those two functions behaved that way." CreationDate="2019-04-24T16:31:57.283" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19449" PostId="6128" Score="2" Text="The problem with questions like these is that what's acceptable in my country, might not be acceptable in yours..." CreationDate="2019-04-24T18:42:25.740" UserId="71303" />
  <row Id="19450" PostId="6128" Score="9" Text="@JustSaying - and that problem can be easily cured by specifying a country." CreationDate="2019-04-25T00:32:26.007" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19458" PostId="6128" Score="1" Text="The issue of &quot;is this normal&quot; aside, that specific question is way too long, unfocused, too broad (due to mentioning multiple issues) and unclear (due to not specifying the country or industry, which would be very relevant for long hours, at least). It would require some rather significant editing before it would be a good &quot;is this normal&quot; question." CreationDate="2019-04-29T21:10:28.590" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="19491" PostId="6128" Score="0" Text="Generally speaking, no. There are only a very narrow range of questions that will get past everyone looking to downvote, close, mark-as-dupe, or declare as off-topic. The best thing you can do is to ask your question, be mindful of the rules, and hope you get one or two thoughtful answers or comments before the question gets closed. Don't worry too much about down-votes and persnickety criticisms." CreationDate="2019-05-07T11:24:20.453" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="19451" PostId="6129" Score="1" Text="strange, my search for this phrase returns [736 questions](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=is+this+common+is%3Aq) not 3,401. And of these results it shows [294 are closed](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=is+this+common+is%3Aq+closed%3Ayes)" CreationDate="2019-04-26T06:40:06.030" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19452" PostId="6129" Score="0" Text="@gnat - &quot;https://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=is+this+common&quot; shows 3,405 results now. Not all of those results are questions. Does the number really matter? With 736 such questions, it seems to me the answer  remains the same." CreationDate="2019-04-26T10:13:40.903" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19453" PostId="6129" Score="1" Text="I see, thanks. The difference is your search includes answers while mine is limited to questions: [workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=is+this+common+is%3Aq](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=is+this+common+is%3Aq)" CreationDate="2019-04-26T10:15:31.827" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19454" PostId="6130" Score="1" Text="I agree that they're almost always going to want to know what to do about it but I disagree that they don't want know whether a situation is common. Many of the people asking this question are new to the workforce or new to white collar work/the industry/a specific job. They aren't familiar with the norms (whether it's normal is the other implicit question) so they do want to know whether they're likely to deal with this again when they change jobs." CreationDate="2019-04-26T16:49:28.120" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="19455" PostId="6130" Score="3" Text="Since &quot;what should I do&quot; questions are considered off-topic, &quot;is this common&quot; questions have become common." CreationDate="2019-04-26T17:44:33.990" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19466" PostId="6132" Score="2" Text="And why do you think it should stay open? Thre's a close reason saying ___&quot;Questions seeking advice on company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies should be directed to your manager or HR department. Questions that address only a specific company or position are of limited use to future visitors. Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. For more information, click here.&quot;___ which seems more appropriate - I agree, but nevertheless, I see no reason for re-opening." CreationDate="2019-05-03T15:00:30.823" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="19467" PostId="6132" Score="2" Text="**I voted to re-open**" CreationDate="2019-05-03T15:16:01.553" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19468" PostId="6134" Score="0" Text="I'm not so sure whether a mod deleted those comments or those comments got flagged and auto-deleted, I thought mods only migrate the comments to charooms if there are too many, but then, I'm not sure." CreationDate="2019-05-06T08:10:36.487" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="19469" PostId="6134" Score="3" Text="This isn't new by any means though, comment deletion has no public log. In fact, even 10k users, which can see other types of deleted posts, cannot see deleted comments. Comments are supposed to be temporary in any case, so one just has to expect any comment to potentially get deleted, helpful or not." CreationDate="2019-05-06T08:47:10.397" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="19470" PostId="6134" Score="2" Text="If anything, pertinent location information from the comments should be edited into the question as soon as possible." CreationDate="2019-05-06T08:49:00.673" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="19471" PostId="6134" Score="9" Text="Comments get deleted all the time - that is something you must expect. I always delete my own comments after a few days." CreationDate="2019-05-06T11:15:50.583" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19474" PostId="6134" Score="2" Text="Mind, for the powers that be to be de-modding or restricting a mod, a lot has to happen. All of our mods are democractically elected by members, I'd be pretty upset if someone I voted for got their diamond taken away over something seriously minor." CreationDate="2019-05-06T11:41:13.113" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="19475" PostId="6134" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive As I said, whichever mod chose to nuke all the comments didn't make any note of the fact.  So I'm not sure what you're saying.  Are you saying there's no record of deleted comments?  I'm not surprised.  Are you saying there's no indication that information was lost due to deleted comments?  That's only because I, personally, edited the question to add the missing information.  If there's something else you're trying to say, you'll need to be more clear." CreationDate="2019-05-06T11:46:53.173" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="19477" PostId="6134" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive If there is intended to be a record of deleted comments from questions and answers, and if you can see no deleted comments on the question above nor on its answers, then it seems we have uncovered a bug in the software or the database." CreationDate="2019-05-06T12:04:37.027" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="19478" PostId="6134" Score="2" Text="@Kyralessa - did the OP specifically mention Detroit? Or did you just assume that was the area and chose to edit it into the question?" CreationDate="2019-05-06T12:28:51.803" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19479" PostId="6134" Score="3" Text="Please take a look at the Meta thread [What Comments are Not](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not)." CreationDate="2019-05-06T12:43:16.200" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19480" PostId="6134" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive you probably can share screen shot of comments as they are shown to you - ie including deleted ones. I saw our moderators doing this sometimes in meta to help clarify things - [here is an example](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3803/168)" CreationDate="2019-05-06T12:43:43.850" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19481" PostId="6134" Score="1" Text="Why am I even still here?  Workplace.SE is a place that makes many people unhappy, as evidenced by the number that have left in recent times.  I think it is time to join them.  This is not a good way to spend my time." CreationDate="2019-05-06T12:49:09.750" UserDisplayName="user1602" />
  <row Id="19483" PostId="6134" Score="6" Text="@Monoandale Because this question has only been up 7 hours, and moderators have lives outside of SE? We don't know which mod took these actions, and we have no idea what timezone they are in. There's a good chance they haven't even seen this question yet, and even if they have, they may have other more important things to do first. [Magisch's answer](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6135/16983) pretty well explains our comment policy, and a moderator's opinion probably won't add much more, so I don't see an emergency that needs their immediate attention." CreationDate="2019-05-06T15:27:02.560" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19484" PostId="6134" Score="0" Text="@DavidK I disagree, this meta question is about a moderator's actions and that specific moderator should be the one providing an explanation to the community." CreationDate="2019-05-06T15:58:32.357" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="19485" PostId="6134" Score="3" Text="@Monoandale I agree that the moderator should respond at some point to address their specific actions here, but I think complaining about a lack of response after 7 hours is unreasonable (I'd probably wait at least 24), especially given that there is already a good answer which addresses how the general moderation policy applies here." CreationDate="2019-05-06T16:34:06.680" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19486" PostId="6134" Score="2" Text="It's a workday and the question was asked 9 hours ago. I'd say give it a day or two and someone will give the mod team's response to this. My answer isn't supposed to be comprehensive (as being an outsider's view)." CreationDate="2019-05-06T17:04:21.423" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="19490" PostId="6134" Score="7" Text="Wow, when the _worst_ thing you can complain about your mods doing is deleting comments...." CreationDate="2019-05-07T00:57:34.773" UserId="553" />
  <row Id="19473" PostId="6135" Score="4" Text="Well said sir, well said." CreationDate="2019-05-06T11:27:32.140" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19977" PostId="6135" Score="0" Text="+1.  Mods don't need to &quot;acknowledge&quot; deleting comments that need to be deleted." CreationDate="2019-09-15T17:25:14.253" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="19488" PostId="6136" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [What's the process for moving comments into chat?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4554/whats-the-process-for-moving-comments-into-chat)" CreationDate="2019-05-06T22:18:07.737" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19489" PostId="6136" Score="2" Text="(or heavily related) David, you even commented on that post :0)" CreationDate="2019-05-06T22:18:31.210" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19518" PostId="6137" Score="0" Text="&quot;wondering around the site&quot; -&gt; &quot;wandering around the site&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-05-17T20:33:45.420" UserId="40143" />
  <row Id="19634" PostId="6137" Score="0" Text="@SeldomNeedy i sometimes wonder around this website" CreationDate="2019-06-17T22:46:56.780" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="19493" PostId="6141" Score="0" Text="Seems on-topic to me. I voted to reopen. Need a few more..." CreationDate="2019-05-07T20:10:10.277" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19494" PostId="6141" Score="0" Text="I agree with your interpretation. Casted the 3rd vote" CreationDate="2019-05-08T00:34:17.170" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19517" PostId="6141" Score="0" Text="Looks like it either failed to reopen,  or was closed again. I changed the question title to make it not appear to be a &quot;choice&quot; question." CreationDate="2019-05-17T05:16:27.027" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="19549" PostId="6141" Score="0" Text="@HorusKol it was closed again..." CreationDate="2019-05-21T23:41:22.023" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19495" PostId="6144" Score="1" Text="This may be worth also asking on the academia SE meta, given the nature of your workplace." CreationDate="2019-05-08T20:08:35.897" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19496" PostId="6144" Score="2" Text="You might wish to spell out the term PI. Non-academics may not be familiar with it. You might want to give some context to what &quot;unprofessionalism&quot; means here. Otherwise it seems fine to me." CreationDate="2019-05-09T17:12:44.697" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19497" PostId="6144" Score="0" Text="@dwizum i thought about it, and I don't see this being academia-specific. In our case &quot;boss&quot; is called Professor and structure is very flat." CreationDate="2019-05-09T17:42:01.117" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="19530" PostId="6149" Score="0" Text="In the US you can be a PhD student and an employee (part-time or full-time), at the same time - but in any case a paid salary (stipend, not everyone gets one) is not itself a tax-free scholarship (though it can include a tax-free scholarship portion to cover tuition). In many European countries PhD students are explicitly full-time employees, fully covered by all applicable workplace law 100%. So a University is very often indeed a workplace, paid as salary, hourly wage, or 'other'. This variation and complexity is not familiar to many people outside of Academia, though." CreationDate="2019-05-20T17:01:15.800" UserId="10376" />
  <row Id="19507" PostId="6150" Score="3" Text="When I reached 250,000 points, I got an email offering some swag and asking me where it should be sent. I replied. That was over 2 months ago, but still no swag. Oh well." CreationDate="2019-05-14T15:40:36.793" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19508" PostId="6150" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I reached 100k on another site in December and haven't yet gotten the email.  I think there's a bit of a swag logjam right now (in part because they're changing vendors)." CreationDate="2019-05-14T16:22:37.770" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19509" PostId="6150" Score="1" Text="In meta, downvotes means disagreement - so I am to think people actually do not like the idea of getting swag? Hm, that'd be interesting. :)" CreationDate="2019-05-14T16:25:17.320" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="19510" PostId="6150" Score="0" Text="Did this (https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/321399/announcing-our-amazing-2018-stuff-a-way) not qualify?  I got some TWP swag just a couple of months ago (because it does take a bit of time to send it out)." CreationDate="2019-05-14T23:54:29.140" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="19511" PostId="6150" Score="1" Text="i love swag and would proudly display sticker on my laptop" CreationDate="2019-05-15T22:25:15.073" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="19506" PostId="6151" Score="0" Text="Thanks for chiming in! Before getting into the discussion, I'd wait to see the community reaction." CreationDate="2019-05-14T14:32:20.853" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="19512" PostId="6151" Score="0" Text="@SouravGhosh and Monica, what kind of swag do you think would be feasible? Stickers? Mugs? ... is there a link where the past swag that was available is listed (those tshirts and staplers you mentioned)?" CreationDate="2019-05-16T17:10:21.017" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19513" PostId="6151" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus [this](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2451/325) was the top-user-swag announcement.  Stickers would be inexpensive to mail, for what that's worth." CreationDate="2019-05-16T18:13:16.203" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19514" PostId="6151" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio thanks for the link. I like the stickers idea. Going further, I *guess* that the images/templates of the stickers could be shared, so anybody can print or make their own stickers in their country with their sticker-maker of preference... no mail or fund raising needed, but the downside is that no event also.." CreationDate="2019-05-16T18:24:02.857" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19515" PostId="6151" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus stickers are cheap enough to mail that it shouldn't be a problem for somebody to make them centrally and distribute as part of an event.  Someone who wants to do this should contact SE, both for permission (it's their art) and to see if they have masters or something that could be used to make more." CreationDate="2019-05-16T19:07:17.027" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19516" PostId="6151" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio well, here in my country there are a couple of sticker-maker companies that I know... although I ignore about the feasibility of mailing things from my country to others..." CreationDate="2019-05-16T19:10:23.193" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19550" PostId="6154" Score="6" Text="Joe, you have tons of high-quality posts, so you're probably one of the most likely people to be affected. :-)   (No, I don't know who it was either.)" CreationDate="2019-05-22T03:30:02.713" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19552" PostId="6154" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - I understand that users get removed. I just hadn't seen it happen for a long while, and was curious that 4 have been removed within a few days. I wasn't blaming anyone, nor did I even think moderators were involved in the process. Just curious. Mostly wondering if something (a removal policy?) had changed recently." CreationDate="2019-05-22T10:32:33.490" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19558" PostId="6154" Score="0" Text="I didn't think you were blaming anyone; sorry for causing any misunderstanding.  I'm not aware of anything that's changed, but that doesn't mean nothing has.  I'm just confirming what I can rule out -- it isn't something the mods did explicitly.  (And we don't have a way to see what accounts have been deleted recently; if we did that might tell us something.)" CreationDate="2019-05-22T13:46:50.860" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19562" PostId="6154" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio - thanks! (another user removed today)" CreationDate="2019-05-22T17:34:25.610" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19566" PostId="6154" Score="2" Text="There was a [really big one](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/328642/162102) this weekend, affecting lots of people across the network." CreationDate="2019-05-26T17:36:10.587" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19523" PostId="6155" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I've seen users removed before. But I've never seen three in close temporal proximity." CreationDate="2019-05-20T11:40:10.787" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19525" PostId="6155" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere right, sometimes moderators delete spammers or sockpuppets, but they usually don't have substantial (valid) voting histories.  In these cases, it wasn't us." CreationDate="2019-05-20T14:43:15.197" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19535" PostId="6155" Score="1" Text="There have been a few delays reviewing accounts to check for vote preservation; the highest threshold I've seen for this is around two weeks." CreationDate="2019-05-21T04:12:24.493" UserId="82289" />
  <row Id="19527" PostId="6156" Score="0" Text="I think the edit would be straightforward, just remove the final paragraph. It does seem like the question already has good answers, both from a personal perspective and per LinkedIn's policy. I voted to reopen." CreationDate="2019-05-20T15:41:40.703" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19528" PostId="6156" Score="2" Text="It's been reopened - I removed the last paragraph as per @dwizum's suggestion. FWIW I think Jan is right it - got treated harshly because the OP came off poorly but the core question is not a bad one. I doubt the re-opening will make much difference to anything in the long run as it is such an old question. But tidy is as tidy does or something." CreationDate="2019-05-20T16:22:29.840" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="19529" PostId="6156" Score="0" Text="I didn't make the edit because I was mulling over whether or not it would throw things out of context in the question. I suppose the answers are still quite valid, but some of the comments don't make sense now, although that's probably OK given that comments are supposed to be transient anyways." CreationDate="2019-05-20T16:44:09.730" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19531" PostId="6156" Score="0" Text="@dwizum With the question in its current form my 5th suggestion is no longer necessary. Edited that out of the question." CreationDate="2019-05-20T17:36:10.223" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="19532" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="Hello Juan, nice to meet you. Were will these adds be displayed?" CreationDate="2019-05-21T00:41:59.567" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19533" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="Also, will high rep users be able to see them? (I would say no because of the milestone of reduced adds, but I am not sure)" CreationDate="2019-05-21T00:43:08.870" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19534" PostId="6157" Score="69" Text="The edit history for this post is highly concerning." CreationDate="2019-05-21T01:13:16.710" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="19536" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus There's a profile setting to opt out of reduced ads if you want to see them, afaik." CreationDate="2019-05-21T05:33:16.623" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="19537" PostId="6157" Score="6" Text="@Juan to make it clear, you mean we'll have animated ads in this site?" CreationDate="2019-05-21T12:28:29.220" UserId="19590" />
  <row Id="19538" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus reduced ads are only for the in-post ads, between the question and the answers. Everyone get the sidebar ads, regardless of rep." CreationDate="2019-05-21T12:29:34.827" UserId="19590" />
  <row Id="19539" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@Magisch no such option on this site. (Dunno if bug or on purpose)" CreationDate="2019-05-21T12:31:40.623" UserId="19590" />
  <row Id="19542" PostId="6157" Score="7" Text="@ShadowWizard No, we will continue to maintain our high standards for ads and will not go down that route. We want to do this right and add value across the board." CreationDate="2019-05-21T15:49:10.587" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19543" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus During our testing phase we will likely keep this from happening.  Once we are able to gather necessary metrics I believe we will reinstate this for all sites with ads.  This is not policy, just my thoughts as we start these experiments. We are not looking to interrupt or damage what has been built by the communities. These ads should not be a cause for concern. :)" CreationDate="2019-05-21T15:53:16.853" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19544" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@ShadowWizard It looks like the &quot;reduced ads&quot; privilege isn't there yet. I'd say that's a bug (you have over 200 rep)." CreationDate="2019-05-21T19:15:48.717" UserId="60820" />
  <row Id="19551" PostId="6157" Score="14" Text="@Juan so why did you edit this part out?" CreationDate="2019-05-22T06:47:10.700" UserId="19590" />
  <row Id="19559" PostId="6157" Score="2" Text="@ShadowWizard I edited to keep the post shorter and to keep from quoting someone who is no longer leading these topics/situations anymore. Our commitment to quality content is part of our DNA, it doesn't go away with a person or a name. After considering this, I edited the post to reflect it." CreationDate="2019-05-22T13:49:49.857" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19560" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@Juan well, many take things literally... IMO better mention what types of ads aren't allowed to reassure those. :)" CreationDate="2019-05-22T13:59:37.443" UserId="19590" />
  <row Id="19563" PostId="6157" Score="3" Text="@JuanM I'm happy to see the experiment.  I saw an Adobe ad that, out of the corner of my eye, sure *looked* animated.  I haven't gotten it again on new page-loads to check.  Could you have someone check to make sure something didn't sneak through that your rules don't permit?  Thanks!" CreationDate="2019-05-24T03:07:05.617" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19564" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Yeah, I'll pass that on so that we can hunt it down. If you happen to see it again, feel free to screenshot it and send it to me. :)" CreationDate="2019-05-24T15:57:04.500" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19565" PostId="6157" Score="5" Text="@JuanM I have a screenshot, but only of the last pane (if it was in fact animated like it seemed to be -- it went by too quickly).  I'll email it." CreationDate="2019-05-24T15:58:34.253" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19567" PostId="6157" Score="5" Text="@JuanM I emailed you a screenshot of that ad a few days ago.  Tonight I saw [this one](https://i.stack.imgur.com/Yl2A3.png) and it was definitely animated -- just a change from one text to another, advancing-slide style, so not obnoxious but not static either.  Maybe that's what happened with the first?  Have y'all loosened your rules around this kind of animation?  (Not expressing an opinion; just seeking clarification.)" CreationDate="2019-05-29T01:43:45.037" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19568" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio I did forward your screenshot, thank you for sharing it!  I was also able to receive confirmation that we are allowing these kinds of ads to run on the network for a time.  Again, we're testing and collecting data so this will be part of that experiment moving forward." CreationDate="2019-05-29T17:17:58.053" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19569" PostId="6157" Score="3" Text="Thanks for the update.  As animated ads these seem fairly benign, compared to things that blink, flash, move things around on the screen, and other such noise.  Seems worth testing to see how users respond." CreationDate="2019-05-29T19:01:31.783" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19570" PostId="6157" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio Also thought it would be helpful to add that we didn't know that animated ads were a part of the delivery.  We thought we could filter them out but it turns out that we cannot.  However, our stance on quality remains a priority." CreationDate="2019-05-30T17:48:04.840" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19577" PostId="6157" Score="9" Text="I've now seen some ads that had more objectionable animation -- see my answer.  I think y'all ought to revisit your animation policy." CreationDate="2019-06-02T04:57:24.343" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19579" PostId="6157" Score="5" Text="I know websites often do advertising, but [this one really sucks](https://i.stack.imgur.com/DE8yy.png)" CreationDate="2019-06-03T04:29:46.453" UserId="2472" />
  <row Id="19590" PostId="6157" Score="1" Text="What's the overall arrangement of this testing? I've been following this post but hadn't seen a single advertisement until just now despite daily usage of sometimes several hours. Will the &quot;real&quot; adds be similarly infrequent or will they be present 100% of the time? Or maybe I just haven't noticed them because they're so innocuous." CreationDate="2019-06-04T17:16:29.300" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19630" PostId="6157" Score="2" Text="@JuanM How long is this experiment running? When can we expect a verdict on whether animated ads will be acceptable or not? If I see animated ads that I find distracting, should I be reporting them, or are we still in the &quot;experimental&quot; phase?" CreationDate="2019-06-14T13:36:44.220" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19632" PostId="6157" Score="7" Text="@DavidK you might be interested in recent complaint at MSE: [Ads on SE sites are flashy and resource-intensive](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/329547/165773), _&quot;...These ads certainly don't meet the standards SE set for themselves in the past, ads were supposed to be &quot;excessively considerate, ludicrously on-topic&quot;. So either the standards have changed, or the ad providers don't meet the request standard, or both.&quot;_" CreationDate="2019-06-15T14:54:12.993" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19633" PostId="6157" Score="1" Text="@DavidK Animated ads will be allowed during the experiment.  We will be on the lookout for inappropriate, scammy, and blatantly obnoxious ads - please report those!" CreationDate="2019-06-17T16:13:23.993" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19635" PostId="6157" Score="12" Text="@JuanM you call [this 1000% scam site](https://he.improve-your-skills.eu/) &quot;high standards for ads&quot;?? Sorry, but your definition for high standards is very far from my own. I'm very disappointed with SE for choosing money over quality when it comes to ads. (That awful site was shown as direct ad on SF&amp;F site)" CreationDate="2019-06-18T11:29:33.210" UserId="19590" />
  <row Id="19636" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@JuanM Thanks, I will report the particularly inappropriate ads as I see them. How long is the experiment intended to run and when should we expect a decision on what to expect going forward? The community reaction to the animated ads has been fairly strong from what I've seen." CreationDate="2019-06-18T12:06:36.553" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19638" PostId="6157" Score="1" Text="@DavidK The experiment will last 6 months - so most of the this year.  We're planning a recap at the end to talk about what we learned." CreationDate="2019-06-18T18:06:54.300" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19639" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@ShadowWizard My definition for high quality ads is likely very similar to yours. I have mentioned that we are running experiments and that the ads team is investigating these kinds of ads.  I will gladly take your link and have it investigated!" CreationDate="2019-06-18T18:10:48.653" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19640" PostId="6157" Score="6" Text="@JuanM six months is a long time to run without an effective way to report problem ads.  I've made a [request on MSE for the ability to flag ads](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/329700/162102).  (I started to ask a question here, as you requested, but decided to post there because this affects other sites too.)" CreationDate="2019-06-18T19:52:44.803" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19641" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio Reporting problems ads will need to be done as we've been - screenshots, sitename, and URLs is possible. I'm doubt we'll have a flagging feature built in for the 6 month session.  EDIT: I'm checking on this. I've responded to your questions there as well with the same. :)" CreationDate="2019-06-18T19:54:47.780" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19642" PostId="6157" Score="5" Text="@JuanM, I just spent five days using only a tablet and phone to access SE.  That'll happen a couple more times this summer.  Desktop-only solutions really aren't practical for lots of people.  (Yeah, I don't see the ads on my phone, but I do on my tablet.  Doesn't mean I have an easy path to posting a screenshot from there.)  Code changes were needed to support the ads in the first place; shouldn't some minimal flagging UI be part of that?" CreationDate="2019-06-18T19:57:22.290" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19643" PostId="6157" Score="5" Text="@JuanM sorry but I really can't see how you're going to avoid such evil ads in the future. Once you use ads provider allowing them, you can't control what we get." CreationDate="2019-06-18T23:17:23.887" UserId="19590" />
  <row Id="19644" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="Would it be odd if I told you that I haven't seen *any* ads so far?... Could it be my location?" CreationDate="2019-06-19T00:34:35.757" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19645" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Not all sites are getting ads, and I believe if you have higher rep you see fewer ads (maybe?). I don't see them here, but see them fairly often at SciFiFantasy." CreationDate="2019-06-19T12:41:49.043" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19646" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@JuanM: *Reporting problems ads will need to be done as we've been * so - comments providing URLs or screen shots on this question are the official reporting tool for the next 6 months? Or am I missing some more-robust way to provide reports?" CreationDate="2019-06-19T16:28:53.587" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19647" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus - see my comment from June 4 above. At that point I hadn't seen a single add, despite lots of others seeing them frequently. Now it seems like it comes and goes. Some days I'll see adds on every page load. I haven't seen one yet today though, despite a few hours of activity. I'm not sure if that's because of some aspect of my account, or if the powers-that-be are turning things on and off as they experiment." CreationDate="2019-06-19T16:30:55.757" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19650" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@dwizum That's our current way to report the ads. I'll update everyone if that changes!" CreationDate="2019-06-19T20:07:25.360" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19651" PostId="6157" Score="2" Text="@JuanM How are people on the other sites that run these ads supposed to know that? The announcement of the &quot;test phase&quot; is very well hidden here on a per-site meta." CreationDate="2019-06-19T20:43:39.227" UserDisplayName="user98382" />
  <row Id="19652" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="@MadScientist Feel free to link them here or pass the information on!" CreationDate="2019-06-19T20:48:55.180" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19653" PostId="6157" Score="3" Text="@JuanM If you want feedback from the community on these ads, you should post announcements on every meta of the sites that run these new ads. It pretty much looks like SE is trying to hide this test the way you're handling it right now" CreationDate="2019-06-19T20:52:50.007" UserDisplayName="user98382" />
  <row Id="19654" PostId="6157" Score="1" Text="@MadScientist I hear you. I'll go post something on Meta SE today and update you all with the latest. Thanks!" CreationDate="2019-06-19T20:54:43.810" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19655" PostId="6157" Score="1" Text="@MadScientist [Here you go!](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/329763/were-testing-advertisement-across-the-network)" CreationDate="2019-06-19T21:35:06.273" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19969" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="Hi Juan.  After a hiatus I see that ads have returned.  Many of them are more benign than the first wave (thanks), but I did see two different xfinity ads with aggressive animation.  There are links in my answer." CreationDate="2019-09-13T03:15:22.367" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19983" PostId="6157" Score="0" Text="Related: [Reporting the bad Ads](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6299/reporting-the-bad-ads)" CreationDate="2019-09-17T21:47:00.757" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19541" PostId="6161" Score="2" Text="Agreed - Unsurprisingly I've already cast my VTRO!" CreationDate="2019-05-21T15:04:52.260" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="19545" PostId="6163" Score="3" Text="Yes, I've seen it at least 3 times now... the same post, really unclear, seems trollish by nature... really starting to think that user should be banned (if such thing exists) or at least earn a time in the penalty box... the thing is, it seems each time the user creates a new account: this one is 13 days old" CreationDate="2019-05-21T21:01:35.720" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19546" PostId="6163" Score="2" Text="Random idea: Leave one of those posts undeleted, so we can then swiftly close as dupe when the user posts the same thing again." CreationDate="2019-05-21T21:03:22.630" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19547" PostId="6163" Score="3" Text="@DarkCygnus Can't close as dupe as it is unanswered" CreationDate="2019-05-21T21:37:01.530" UserDisplayName="user85135" />
  <row Id="19548" PostId="6163" Score="5" Text="@bruglesco well, then, let's leave one Undeleted and with an answer saying &quot;Yes it is fine, Jase&quot;, and use that as the target dupe?" CreationDate="2019-05-21T21:42:40.070" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19553" PostId="6163" Score="2" Text="moderators suspended [involved account](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/104508/jason-dilibero). With 10K+ reputation you can check if other deleted posts were written from the same account and if not, we can ask them to use additional measures explained by Stack Overflow moderator [at MSE](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/328144/165773)" CreationDate="2019-05-22T12:14:28.113" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19554" PostId="6166" Score="3" Text="Can users see their own deleted content? I've been wondering: Is it possible that he comes back, looks for his old question, doesn't see it (because it's been deleted) and re-creates it?" CreationDate="2019-05-22T12:46:43.883" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19555" PostId="6166" Score="0" Text="@dwizum I'm not sure on whether you can see your own deleted stuff to be honest. If you can't then I suppose what you describe is *possible* but I have to say it still doesn't seem all that *plausible* to me." CreationDate="2019-05-22T13:27:56.950" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="19556" PostId="6166" Score="2" Text="Just spitballing to eliminate possibilities. After all, once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth!" CreationDate="2019-05-22T13:29:27.083" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19557" PostId="6166" Score="2" Text="@dwizum Conan Doyle reference.. nicely done!" CreationDate="2019-05-22T13:32:59.770" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="19561" PostId="6166" Score="3" Text="@dwizum you can see your own deleted content but it isn't easy and intuitive. You have to go to the deleted content page via a link that is easy to miss. I personally had to look it up on Meta.SE before I knew how to get to it." CreationDate="2019-05-22T16:57:18.520" UserDisplayName="user85135" />
  <row Id="19571" PostId="6168" Score="4" Text="The information I provided was given as soon as I received it. Because this is an experiment, we are having to modify in real time. What I fail to understand however, is why you think it's ok to passively attack me. Still, I can understand your reasons for your lack of confidence in the communication so I'll look to improve that." CreationDate="2019-05-31T19:18:22.770" UserId="37162" />
  <row Id="19572" PostId="6168" Score="0" Text="advertising practices indeed [feel somewhat troublesome](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/385542/839601) as of late" CreationDate="2019-05-31T20:21:24.620" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19581" PostId="6168" Score="1" Text="&quot;Also I know I risk coming off as curmudgeonly here&quot; That doesn't appear to have been a risk, it seems more like an active decision. Just FYI, the humans that work here are human too, and the other 'risk' there is any valuable feedback being lost in what perceptively seems to be an ad-hominem attack. Juan could have easily just redacted the previous version, he didn't, because he was fully prepared to tell people &quot;Look, this happened in real-time and nobody quite expected it, so we rolled with it.&quot; You want total transparency, you want perfect professionalism: pick one." CreationDate="2019-06-03T13:46:11.663" UserId="5657" />
  <row Id="19582" PostId="6168" Score="9" Text="@TimPost With all due respect I'm not asking for &quot;total&quot; or &quot;perfect&quot; anything. I have no problems with the redacted/unredacted nature of the OP here. I do think the seemingly disorganized way this project is being run reflects poorly on SO as an organization and I'm feeding that back, again I don't want or expect &quot;perfection&quot; just better than this. Also I have no problem with Juan as a person - as I seemingly have to keep on repeating (since every time I comment to this effect it gets deleted). My problem is with the *content* of the linked meta SE posts: pseudo-memes, GIFs etc.[1/2]" CreationDate="2019-06-03T14:25:38.647" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="19583" PostId="6168" Score="7" Text="The **only** comment I've made regarding any person was when I referred to Juan as a &quot;great guy&quot; in response to his first comment because I wanted to express that I wasn't attacking *him*. That comment was deleted and my words from that comment were misrepresented to make it sound as if I had actually been attacking him further!  [2/2]" CreationDate="2019-06-03T14:25:48.523" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="19584" PostId="6168" Score="0" Text="Sounds like a bit of misinterpretation (which is easy online). Just saying, whenever you lead in with &quot;Not to [sound | be] [thing]&quot; it's almost always your brain saying &quot;Hey, that sounds a lot like [thing]&quot; and it makes everything else taste pretty sour. We're also not terribly ... happy ... that things went unexpectedly regarding not having the ability to filter out animations during the trial (something we were certain we could do) and realize it makes us look less than organized, but it's just one of those things that happened live :/" CreationDate="2019-06-03T14:30:47.447" UserId="5657" />
  <row Id="19585" PostId="6168" Score="4" Text="@TimPost Misinterpretation is a common problem in text-only communication as you say - especially when dealing across cultural boundaries as SE sites do. I'm aware of the *&quot;I'm not racist but..&quot;* type of statement but (and here's where we seem to have another misinterpretation possibility) that's not even what I'm saying, I'm *acknowledging* that my feedback might come across as a bad-tempered and negative but I can see how that might be unclear and problematic. I shall attempt to re-phrase." CreationDate="2019-06-03T14:48:51.493" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="19586" PostId="6168" Score="2" Text="@TimPost I've re-written my post to hopefully better get my concerns and feedback across." CreationDate="2019-06-03T16:46:01.417" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="19637" PostId="6169" Score="2" Text="You may have seen this already, but there's a question on the main Meta about this which you may find interesting: [Ads on SE sites are excessively animated, irrelevant, dubious and resource-intensive](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/329547/ads-on-se-sites-are-excessively-animated-irrelevant-dubious-and-resource-inten)" CreationDate="2019-06-18T13:17:35.713" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19580" PostId="6170" Score="7" Text="Completely agree. There is a Spotify one I have been seeing (which is funny as I already subscribe to Spotify) that's animated as well. I REALLY don't mind advertisements on the network - I have always whitelisted the network as a whole - because I get a lot out of these sites, but animated ones just feel gross for the most part." CreationDate="2019-06-03T12:53:38.490" UserId="34717" />
  <row Id="19594" PostId="6170" Score="5" Text="3 days later, I am almost positive every single ad I have seen since my original comment IS animated........" CreationDate="2019-06-06T13:05:20.733" UserId="34717" />
  <row Id="19629" PostId="6170" Score="2" Text="I saw another bad one today that just looped back and forth between two screens for about a minute, and it was *very* distracting. Unfortunately didn't snap the first screen before it stopped. https://i.stack.imgur.com/4EpzO.png" CreationDate="2019-06-14T13:30:00.317" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19587" PostId="6171" Score="2" Text="If you encounter this again, could you include a screenshot of the error you receive?" CreationDate="2019-06-04T14:36:03.820" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19588" PostId="6171" Score="1" Text="That's very weird.  Even if you're sharing an IP address with an aggressive spammer (which can hobble posting), that only applies to low-rep accounts.  So it's not that.  I don't know a lot about bot detection; I hope we can find the cause.  Please do capture sceenshots or exact wording of messages next time to help with the investigation.  Thanks." CreationDate="2019-06-04T14:51:04.177" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19589" PostId="6171" Score="0" Text="I'll take screen shots next time. It's a little red box with the error text that appears right over top of the &quot;post&quot; or &quot;edit&quot; buttons after clicking them. It's happened two or three times in the last two weeks or so. Basically I get mostly locked out except sometimes refreshing a page will get me a captcha instead of an error. But if I go log in from another device on another network it seems to release whatever it was and I can use the site again." CreationDate="2019-06-04T14:53:59.000" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19591" PostId="6171" Score="0" Text="Are you pasting your answer into the answer box or typing there? In the past I've got captchas when I've done a copy and paste from another editor, but I don't recall ever getting one when creating the answer on site." CreationDate="2019-06-04T21:32:05.307" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="19592" PostId="6171" Score="3" Text="Typing. It happened again this morning and I grabbed a screen shot. I'll edit it in when I get a chance." CreationDate="2019-06-05T13:04:53.897" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19593" PostId="6171" Score="2" Text="I have seen that error too.  I think its a backend stack issue with traffic, but don't know for sure." CreationDate="2019-06-05T16:17:46.433" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19595" PostId="6172" Score="1" Text="unexplained downvote, hm, let's see if I can make sense of it. Say, someone willing to make cheap rep out of hot questions might fear that if community makes some consensus in this discussion, this might put their future gains at risk. Yeah, if I was a guy like that I would be certainly willing to suppress discussing these matters" CreationDate="2019-06-09T17:41:14.567" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19596" PostId="6172" Score="0" Text="...for the sake of completeness, a possible downvote explanation from opposite perspective. :) Say, someone is willing to remove hot questions based on particular grounds (using mod flags for that). They might fear that community consensus in this discussion can turn out different from the way they want. A guy like that would be also willing to suppress discussion" CreationDate="2019-06-10T08:49:32.000" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19597" PostId="6172" Score="6" Text="I didn't downvote, but another possible explanation might be that people are sick of this drawn out HNQ drama that seems to have been sparked by a single tweet a year ago, and has been overwhelmingly voted on in meta as something the community doesn't have a problem with." CreationDate="2019-06-10T09:58:55.573" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="19598" PostId="6172" Score="0" Text="@PlayerOne that's definitely interesting interpretation, I would be really interested to learn about mind process of people thinking that way. The way I see it has nothing to do with drama. There is a new feature, and statistics I saw at MSE suggests that about 1/4 of our site questions are eligible for it. Now, do we want to use that feature and if yes then how. It's simple as that, wonder what one might find dramatic here" CreationDate="2019-06-10T10:10:44.743" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19599" PostId="6172" Score="0" Text="In my mind the drama isn't as much this one post, as the series of posts that it's part of. For example https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5779/how-many-of-us-arrived-here-via-hnq, https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5765/if-we-were-to-do-the-hnq-experiment-how-should-we-evaluate-the-results and https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5754/should-the-workplace-opt-out-of-hot-network-questions-trial-run are all meta threads where the votes said &quot;it's fine, change nothing&quot;, but the threads about how it should be changed keep on coming." CreationDate="2019-06-10T10:14:09.517" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="19600" PostId="6172" Score="0" Text="@PlayerOne that reasoning is understandable but I fail to see how it applies here. Thing about this is, the change is already there, this new feature was already added to the system and whether we wanted it or not is now irrelevant. The only thing we can do now is to discuss how to adapt to that new feature. There is no sense to pretend that nothing changed because this new feature will be used anyway, with or without discussion" CreationDate="2019-06-10T10:18:18.073" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19601" PostId="6172" Score="4" Text="There was frustration and angst about the HNQ long before the twitter incident.  Everyone agrees that HNQ is here to stay.  This question centres on maintaining some form of quality for those questions and limiting the exposure for some of the more sensationalist questions we're seeing." CreationDate="2019-06-10T10:41:45.773" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="19604" PostId="6172" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere final decision on removing particular question is made by a moderator, and regular users can use flags to ask them for that. If it turns out that site community has solid preferences on particular kinds of questions then moderators will take it into account" CreationDate="2019-06-11T05:31:06.193" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19605" PostId="6172" Score="0" Text="^^^ I edited post with a quote from feature announcement that explains it in more details" CreationDate="2019-06-11T06:15:03.270" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19606" PostId="6172" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere  Yes, moderators have the ability, users have the ability to flag.  However, we'll only remove questions from HNQ if they're blatantly created to hit the HNQ list." CreationDate="2019-06-11T09:41:45.020" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="19607" PostId="6172" Score="1" Text="Okay. Then we have smart Moderators. I'm confident that they will do the right thing. I don't see the point of this question." CreationDate="2019-06-11T10:21:07.703" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19608" PostId="6172" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere without this question, how could people know reasons for removal? Please note that this feature is public so there is no way to pretend that removal didn't happen. My understanding is, this is why feature announcement recommends, &quot;each site have a meta discussion with guidance for moderators&quot;" CreationDate="2019-06-11T10:38:29.517" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19609" PostId="6172" Score="1" Text="I'll rely on the wisdom of the Moderators." CreationDate="2019-06-11T10:50:22.457" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19610" PostId="6172" Score="0" Text="this only solves the problem for you but other may be confused. For example, some comments above suggest that not removing at all would be fairly popular alternative to suppressing entertaining posts and folks expecting it would better be able to find out that things indeed work differently" CreationDate="2019-06-11T11:25:33.283" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19612" PostId="6172" Score="1" Text="It sounds like we'll all eventually rely on the wisdom of the Moderators anyway - without regard to how much discussion occurs in the context of this question." CreationDate="2019-06-11T17:25:47.880" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19614" PostId="6172" Score="0" Text="in cases when community consensus isn't obvious @Joe it can very well be the other way 'round - that is moderators rely on the way supported by community in relevant meta discussion. If memory serves I even saw (at other sites) moderators mentioning on particularly tricky cases that they acted upon meta guidance against their own personal preferences" CreationDate="2019-06-11T19:16:39.297" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19623" PostId="6172" Score="5" Text="I'm wondering to what extent a discussion or &quot;guidance&quot; makes sense beyond simply relying on the moderation team to exercise their best judgement. I realise that's an easy argument to make as one of said moderators, but what I'm wondering is whether anyone would be truly perturbed if a question was removed from the HNQ when it might not have needed to be? I suppose it can reduce rep-capping so some Legendary badge enthusiasts might suffer, but the general spirit of the site seems to have been negative towards HNQ." CreationDate="2019-06-12T19:59:34.933" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19624" PostId="6172" Score="2" Text="Though I suppose it doesn't consider the case of moderators not using the new feature often enough to take questions off HNQ. But I'd say it might be premature to judge that at this point in time?" CreationDate="2019-06-12T20:00:27.920" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19625" PostId="6172" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal I think it will take a bit of time for us to firmly settle on these matters. Maybe a year of maybe half year. OTOH as of now it was probably used sufficiently to start reflecting on meta. It was there for about 3 months already and per my reading of the stats Workplace has got about 200 hot questions and about 20 of these were removed from list using that feature in this timeframe" CreationDate="2019-06-12T20:23:51.877" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19627" PostId="6172" Score="0" Text="From my perspective, I follow the same line of thought as @Snow in that I will remove obvious HNQ fodder.  HNQ is part of the stack, but we thankfully can clean up the obvious garbage." CreationDate="2019-06-14T12:55:34.907" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19602" PostId="6173" Score="4" Text="I pretty much follow the same criteria as well, FWIW" CreationDate="2019-06-10T14:47:56.740" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19613" PostId="6173" Score="3" Text="Seems like a very reasonable approach. Thank you both for the moderation work you do. Hopefully, this new feature won't add too much to the burden." CreationDate="2019-06-11T17:41:11.407" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19611" PostId="6174" Score="0" Text="What does &quot;review the close votes&quot; mean? If it actually gets closed, I'd be  happy to vote to reopen." CreationDate="2019-06-11T12:41:52.073" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19615" PostId="6174" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere - Question is closed. Did you vote to reopen?" CreationDate="2019-06-12T02:51:37.637" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="19617" PostId="6174" Score="0" Text="I just voted to reopen. Thanks for the heads up." CreationDate="2019-06-12T10:43:51.203" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19616" PostId="6175" Score="8" Text="If you're seeing cases of bullying, you need to flag them." CreationDate="2019-06-12T07:06:58.123" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="19621" PostId="6175" Score="6" Text="@Tina_Sea from this and other oblique comments I get the impression you are unhappy with some of the interactions you've had here on TWP. Ideally of course that sort of thing shouldn't happen in the first place - but if it does the best chance you have of seeing it addressed is to flag. This is a high-traffic site and the mods can't be all places at all times - give them a heads up and they can take a look." CreationDate="2019-06-12T16:42:58.113" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="19628" PostId="6175" Score="5" Text="@Tina_Sea Please please please flag any cases of bullying.  Your moderation team will not tolerate that, but we don't **see everything**.  So as mentioned, please *FLAG* it." CreationDate="2019-06-14T12:57:08.183" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19648" PostId="6175" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive I did that and left a comment with one and my comment got killed but the bullying one didn't just like my comment here got killed.  So if you aint gonna do nothing about it why should I?" CreationDate="2019-06-19T18:20:47.063" UserId="87106" />
  <row Id="19649" PostId="6175" Score="3" Text="Don't use comments, raise a flag and select in need of moderator intervention and provide the details." CreationDate="2019-06-19T18:30:55.067" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19619" PostId="6177" Score="0" Text="Can you explain the specific details you want to add? It will help us determine whether it will significantly change your question or not." CreationDate="2019-06-12T15:48:36.103" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19620" PostId="6177" Score="0" Text="somewhere along the lines of what I wrote in the last comment: &quot;seems everyone automatically assumes that either the team lead is lesser skilled than the new individual or the company is trying to get rid of the team lead in some way. what if that's not the case? what if the team lead is actually technical lead for very good reasons? or what if the company wants to keep the team lead in the company?&quot;" CreationDate="2019-06-12T15:49:14.267" UserId="79578" />
  <row Id="19622" PostId="6177" Score="0" Text="Wait, so you're talking about someone being hired at a particular level in the hierarchy that's above the &quot;team lead&quot; position, but he's actually reporting to the team lead? The term I'd go for is *[contradictio in terminis](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contradictio_in_terminis)* because that doesn't make sense. Either someone is above the lead or not. Anything else is just title shenanigans surely?" CreationDate="2019-06-12T19:50:29.737" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19626" PostId="6180" Score="0" Text="similar discussion at other site meta: [Why do 'some examples' and 'list of things' questions get closed?](https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/a/7538/31260)" CreationDate="2019-06-13T10:29:53.767" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19631" PostId="6181" Score="0" Text="or be useful as more of a blog post. Is the idea behind WP@SE is to create specific answer to each of these areas?" CreationDate="2019-06-14T20:58:42.680" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="19656" PostId="6184" Score="4" Text="[The Stack Exchange sites are ***not*** forums](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/92115) (fora?). They are [think tanks](http://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/325681). You can use &quot;site&quot; / &quot;sites&quot; instead." CreationDate="2019-06-20T03:35:24.733" UserId="478" />
  <row Id="19658" PostId="6184" Score="2" Text="Related: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1627/we-need-to-downvote-answers-more-even-mediocre-ones?rq=1" CreationDate="2019-06-20T05:43:13.080" UserId="12543" />
  <row Id="19663" PostId="6184" Score="0" Text="@rene - Thanks, and thanks for the pointer to data explorer." CreationDate="2019-06-20T10:51:13.713" UserId="22871" />
  <row Id="19667" PostId="6184" Score="7" Text="I've made the analysis over all sites across the network for vote ratio: https://data.stackexchange.com/workplace/query/1068071" CreationDate="2019-06-20T13:13:27.040" UserId="18384" />
  <row Id="19670" PostId="6184" Score="0" Text="@rene - Oh, wow. That's a lot more variation than I'd suspected." CreationDate="2019-06-20T18:23:36.060" UserId="22871" />
  <row Id="19688" PostId="6184" Score="1" Text="Unlike for example Stackoverflow, where you could be given some code and it simply solves your problem, I think &quot;workplace&quot; topics tend to be a lot more subjective in nature." CreationDate="2019-06-23T21:09:31.100" UserId="106020" />
  <row Id="19729" PostId="6184" Score="0" Text="Your title is about voting, your question text only about downvoting. Please [edit] one of the two." CreationDate="2019-06-26T14:29:03.927" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="19769" PostId="6184" Score="0" Text="I will nitpick on Peter's nitpick: Stack Exchange sites *are* forums. The content control and the wiki/Q&amp;A style do not change &quot;a place, meeting, or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-07-08T17:10:31.993" UserId="91309" />
  <row Id="19657" PostId="6185" Score="1" Text="Side note: I know there have been deliberate trolling questions, but decided to focus on legit questions since there's no need to rehash the trolls again." CreationDate="2019-06-20T05:25:20.543" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="19664" PostId="6185" Score="0" Text="There also appears to be a bit of downvoting that aligns with how many crappy answers a question got. For example, a question about workplace racism, that's very clearly racism, getting answers suggesting it isn't racist at all, and about as many downvotes. The next time I'm in &quot;Patents&quot; I'll have to see if downvotes are similar to &quot;I think patents are evil and just plain suck.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-06-20T11:23:25.097" UserId="22871" />
  <row Id="19673" PostId="6185" Score="3" Text="@JulieinAustin It's...complicated. At least in Stack Overflow, downvoting good answers that respond to bad questions definitely happens. It's probably rather difficult to discern which voting patterns exist on Workplace since it's far more subjective than the technical sites. Workplace votes could probably boil down to &quot;Agree/Disagree&quot; rather than &quot;This is correct or useful/This is incorrect or not useful.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-06-21T00:16:15.610" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="19660" PostId="6187" Score="2" Text="Thanks! Very odd..." CreationDate="2019-06-20T10:12:41.587" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19661" PostId="6187" Score="13" Text="This generally happens when you get someone wound up on a single answer, so they decide to retaliate by downvoting everything in sight just out of spite." CreationDate="2019-06-20T10:14:21.670" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="19662" PostId="6187" Score="0" Text="I see. I can't remember that happening before. Oh well." CreationDate="2019-06-20T10:15:57.640" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19665" PostId="6187" Score="1" Text="Yeah, this has happened to me at least once.....the system will catch serial UP and DOWN voting." CreationDate="2019-06-20T11:53:00.637" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19666" PostId="6187" Score="6" Text="If I recall, I believe it can occur with serial *up*-votes as well." CreationDate="2019-06-20T12:43:25.557" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19668" PostId="6187" Score="7" Text="Very strange. A new blast of about 15 downvotes in the span of a few minutes today, including some very old answers. Someone is unhappy I guess." CreationDate="2019-06-20T14:30:05.300" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19669" PostId="6187" Score="4" Text="Certainly looks that way.  We'll keep an eye on things and issue some education if required.  You should get those votes back tomorrow." CreationDate="2019-06-20T14:36:15.017" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="19672" PostId="6187" Score="4" Text="I just got +30 with the phrase &quot;User was removed&quot;. Perhaps that's it. If so, I'm pretty sure I know who it was." CreationDate="2019-06-20T22:03:01.760" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19679" PostId="6187" Score="2" Text="I've had it both ways on SO. I think I know who it was in both cases (one user was very unhappy with a comment I left on their answer, and another was so happy with my answer he went on an upvote spree.)" CreationDate="2019-06-21T21:36:30.560" UserId="57339" />
  <row Id="19690" PostId="6187" Score="3" Text="To be fair, voting sprees can also be valid. If I think your answer was interesting, I might check out your other top answers and upvote the good ones" CreationDate="2019-06-24T15:33:47.197" UserId="54098" />
  <row Id="19708" PostId="6187" Score="1" Text="@lucidbrot You'd think that, but that's not the case: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5775/92050" CreationDate="2019-06-25T11:05:33.227" UserId="92050" />
  <row Id="19711" PostId="6187" Score="0" Text="@Cyonis I would argue that if I think your answer was interesting and check out your other top answers, I would also check out the other answers in the thread - at least the ones voted higher than yours. I assume, then it should be a light-grey area(?)" CreationDate="2019-06-25T19:26:58.810" UserId="54098" />
  <row Id="19718" PostId="6187" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive Interesting, because I've done serial upvoting in the past before when discovering a new user on the site and going through their past answers. I'd only upvote maybe half of their posts though not all so I hope that would still have gone through as valid votes. :)" CreationDate="2019-06-26T08:50:54.503" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19762" PostId="6187" Score="2" Text="@lucidbrot A difference between a valid voting spree and most invalid voting sprees is that any valid voting spree requires the voter to _read_ at least the answers voted on and probably also the questions. This takes time, so casting e.g. 8 votes in a minute is very unlikely to be from someone who has carefully read what they've been voting on. I think the system makes an attempt to not automatically mark 'sprees' spread out over normal time periods as fraud. (but it may keep a record anyway, to e.g. _do_ mark it as fraud if it forms a suspicious pattern)" CreationDate="2019-07-03T08:34:55.093" UserId="102970" />
  <row Id="19780" PostId="6187" Score="0" Text="Ah, man.  I was wondering where my stalkers went.  I actually kind of miss them ..." CreationDate="2019-07-10T17:03:44.030" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="19784" PostId="6187" Score="0" Text="@WesleyLong - maybe your stalkers got bored and latched on to me. More serial voting reversed last night." CreationDate="2019-07-14T14:48:17.603" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19785" PostId="6187" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive - if it keeps happening every few nights, does that mean it's a single user repeatedly doing the serial voting, or is someone churning out new muppets to do the work for them?" CreationDate="2019-07-14T14:49:44.050" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19786" PostId="6187" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Not 100% sure, but it could be.  There are a few very bored souls in the world." CreationDate="2019-07-14T22:03:54.157" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="23250" PostId="6187" Score="0" Text="Does the serial (down)voter suffer any penalty?" CreationDate="2022-03-29T06:46:19.210" UserId="20979" />
  <row Id="19674" PostId="6188" Score="5" Text="Possible duplicate of [What &quot;comments&quot; are not . . .](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not)" CreationDate="2019-06-21T12:34:46.327" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19675" PostId="6188" Score="4" Text="Please also see these other [30 questions](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/search?q=is%3Aquestion+%5Bcomments%5D+deleted) asking why comments were deleted." CreationDate="2019-06-21T12:36:14.420" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19677" PostId="6188" Score="0" Text="I see even more comments were deleted after I asked this question, so now it appears less random." CreationDate="2019-06-21T12:41:53.580" UserId="26998" />
  <row Id="22374" PostId="6188" Score="0" Text="Same thing happened at https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/170240/9236 except that it wasn't that some of the comments were deleted. All of them were deleted. Not moved to chat but full on deleted..." CreationDate="2021-03-11T05:14:22.233" UserId="9236" />
  <row Id="19678" PostId="6191" Score="1" Text="I like this approach to voting. Bad ideas are countered with good ideas, not some vote that communicates, &quot;Your idea is bad, and you should feel bad.&quot; After all, how can others learn better ways to handle things if nobody ever puts forward those &quot;bad idea&quot; questions?" CreationDate="2019-06-21T17:42:33.567" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="19680" PostId="6192" Score="9" Text="You should be creating answers for the asker. That's kind of the point :)" CreationDate="2019-06-22T21:54:50.937" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="19681" PostId="6192" Score="0" Text="Many questions don’t include country or industry tags. I usually assume the majority of folks are from the US, work in tech, and are relatively junior — but that may not be the case." CreationDate="2019-06-22T22:16:43.013" UserId="5652" />
  <row Id="19682" PostId="6192" Score="7" Text="Each question should be taken on a case-by-case basis. You tailor your answer for the information given in the question. If you don't have enough information, ask. For the record, I'm not junior, nor in the US. I do not assume either to be the case when answering questions." CreationDate="2019-06-22T22:51:12.743" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="19698" PostId="6192" Score="2" Text="Just a comment on your example, there has been some discussion in the past about the over-use of &quot;quit your job&quot; as an answer: [Is 'Quit your job' an acceptable answer?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1692/is-quit-your-job-an-acceptable-answer)" CreationDate="2019-06-24T20:03:06.257" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19700" PostId="6192" Score="3" Text="@Jay you can also check OP's profile and see if they have their location indicated, and perhaps use that to improve the answers you give" CreationDate="2019-06-24T22:10:41.063" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19689" PostId="6193" Score="0" Text="*So while it may be possible to extract the demographic information, practically, it isn't a useful exercise* - out of curiosity, **is** it possible? I'm fairly new to the site analytics but don't see anything there about demographics - just historical volume of posts, votes and traffic in line charts, or traffic sources in pie charts. Maybe I'm missing something?" CreationDate="2019-06-24T15:33:13.217" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19699" PostId="6193" Score="1" Text="@dwizum not actually analytics, but usually, I check the asker's profile to see if they have a location indicated, and use that to make my answer more on-point whenever possible" CreationDate="2019-06-24T22:09:31.020" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19701" PostId="6193" Score="0" Text="@dwizum I honestly haven't tried, which is why I should have perhaps italicized my &quot;_may_ be possible.&quot; :) As per my answer, however, statistics don't answer specifics, and every question is asked by a person with a specific (although possibly non-unique) issue. Our job as a community is to try to answer that question in such a way that it's useful to them and hopefully to others who may come across it later on :)" CreationDate="2019-06-24T23:02:56.120" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="19710" PostId="6193" Score="1" Text="@JaneS I agree with you regarding the overall question - we shouldn't try to apply a broad concept like site analytics in this manner, instead we should answer each question based on it's specifics. More than anything, I asked out of curiosity - since I've just recently gained access to the site analytics and have spent all of about 2 minutes looking at them, I wasn't sure if I was missing something or not!" CreationDate="2019-06-25T12:43:57.227" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19709" PostId="6195" Score="2" Text="Somewhat related discussion: [We avoid legal opinions. Should we avoid medical/psychological opinions as well?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3956/we-avoid-legal-opinions-should-we-avoid-medical-psychological-opinions-as-well)" CreationDate="2019-06-25T12:10:22.820" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19713" PostId="6195" Score="1" Text="Many folks provide an answer that makes just the most important point. The first answer you linked does more than that - I'm not sure it's a good answer to prove your point. In general, if you don't think an answer is sufficient for any reason whatsoever, you should vote accordingly. Even better would be to write your own, more complete, answer. That's no different for an answer that said &quot;find a new job&quot;, &quot;talk with your boss&quot;, or &quot;see a mental health professional&quot;." CreationDate="2019-06-25T23:32:51.070" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19767" PostId="6195" Score="0" Text="As already said, the SE way to deal with this problem is write another, maybe better or more complete answer." CreationDate="2019-07-04T14:53:23.953" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="19702" PostId="6196" Score="0" Text="Sure, I think comments are well reasoned. However, in many cases there are concrete bits of advice that one can give, whether that's about how to best talk to your manager about it, how to assess revealing things to your colleague, whether it's a good idea to reveal things to your colleague etc. If the user doesn't feel confident giving that kind of advice, perhaps they're not qualified to answer?" CreationDate="2019-06-25T03:30:34.127" UserId="32078" />
  <row Id="19703" PostId="6196" Score="0" Text="There are plenty of things that users can give advice about, with out being a professional in that particular topic. For example &quot;I'm going through a rough break up, how should I handle this at work&quot; - someone can give advice without being a professional relationship counsellor. &#xA;&#xA;re: 'Only a professional should give advice' this counts generally for technically specific  topics. ie. people shouldn't advise about changing their medication regime, (or some legal advice), they can talk generally about navigating a workplace with mental health issues." CreationDate="2019-06-25T03:33:48.860" UserId="32078" />
  <row Id="19704" PostId="6196" Score="0" Text="I don't believe it's even a case of not being qualified to answer, it's more of a case of giving what they feel is the right advice - which is to speak to a mental health professional. I have seen cases where it _is_ more appropriate to speak with a manager or HR, and in those situations, this is often the advice given. For example, in the linked posts in your question, I would have agreed that they need to seek some kind of counseling to deal with the phobia or stress. I'm not saying they shouldn't _additionally_ speak to HR or their manager, but they shouldn't _not_ see a professional too." CreationDate="2019-06-25T03:35:52.410" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="19705" PostId="6196" Score="0" Text="For example, look at the top voted answer about the triggering manager. The answer is basically 'See a MHP/You can't really do anything the way someone speaks'&#xA;&#xA;Now perhaps I should post my own answer here, but there's a lot more that can be said. How they can access a MHP via EAP. How to assess whether the managers tone is something that can be changed. How to assess talking to a colleague about this problem. What the pro/cons of this could be. How one might deal with it without leaving their job. How one might deal with by leaving their job." CreationDate="2019-06-25T03:41:36.377" UserId="32078" />
  <row Id="19706" PostId="6196" Score="3" Text="&quot;Now perhaps I should post my own answer here, but there's a lot more that can be said&quot; If you believe the answers don't capture the additional steps that may be taken, then your first solution should most definitely be to write your own answer. This is true whether it's about mental health as much as any other type of question :)" CreationDate="2019-06-25T03:43:49.083" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="19707" PostId="6196" Score="1" Text="I've amended my answer to state that if you think more can be done than just go see a MHP, then you should write your own answer giving this advice :)" CreationDate="2019-06-25T03:45:48.477" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="19712" PostId="6196" Score="0" Text="Honestly, I think the community Wiki should have a reference to this situation. It's a legitimate answer, but it isn't enough. &quot;See a mental health professional, but don't disclose this to your employer until you have an action plan under their supervision&quot; or something like that. The consequences due to stigma are high, and since we all should genuinely want to help people in distress, we should try to minimize potential negative impacts for them." CreationDate="2019-06-25T21:26:17.367" UserId="90785" />
  <row Id="19772" PostId="6198" Score="0" Text="Funny, though, that we can tell you are in Austin TX from your username alone :0)" CreationDate="2019-07-09T20:14:45.213" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19773" PostId="6198" Score="0" Text="Actually, I'm not. I moved to the Frozen North ;)" CreationDate="2019-07-10T14:26:55.650" UserId="22871" />
  <row Id="19714" PostId="6199" Score="1" Text="Retitled this to more closely match what you're asking. The million dollar question is always whether you know for sure if something will be closed. Sometimes you do and I'll refer to my answer [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4405/25739) on a related topic. I'm not sure we can or should turn this into a rule (especially considering the excellent point raised by Joe on the linked answer) but personally I tend to downvote answers like these." CreationDate="2019-06-26T06:26:40.430" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19715" PostId="6199" Score="1" Text="Specifically on &quot;*For example, is a comment telling someone not to answer constructive?*&quot;: this would not be considered constructive because the only action that can realistically be taken is answer deletion which is decidedly not an attempt to improve an answer. It's also incredibly unlikely to go over well with the post's author (most people who answer a question take some effort to do so and wouldn't if they didn't think the question had merit). Combined that means such comments are likely to get flagged and deleted." CreationDate="2019-06-26T06:30:47.857" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19716" PostId="6199" Score="2" Text="@Lilienthal given that OP is active at MSO I would guess that original title alluded to a canonical from there: [Should one advise on off-topic questions?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/276637/839601) :)" CreationDate="2019-06-26T08:31:58.940" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19717" PostId="6199" Score="1" Text="@gnat Ah nice catch. Not sure what else needs to be said on the topic as the answer there seems to cover the general recommendation." CreationDate="2019-06-26T08:46:46.933" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19719" PostId="6199" Score="1" Text="I would answer them anyway. My will to help fellow human being is stronger than my will to follow the rules" CreationDate="2019-06-26T09:03:39.723" UserId="101878" />
  <row Id="19722" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="@David [&quot;You have it backwards, I think...&quot;](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/255019/839601) (borrowing from another MSO canonical)" CreationDate="2019-06-26T09:13:12.160" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19723" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="@grat Although it may seem like that given the number of software developers we find there, this is not StackOverflow! Anyway, I see no difference between the question getting closed after or before the answer is posted" CreationDate="2019-06-26T09:17:00.373" UserId="101878" />
  <row Id="19725" PostId="6199" Score="1" Text="@gnat Yep... I was referring to that one. I'll admit that it was a little late at night when I wrote this and I neglected to link to it. Either way, it seems like the answer is may be different here than there - it seems like answers to questions that are perceived as off-topic or otherwise low-quality there tend to receive much more strongly negative reactions on SO (i.e. negative comments, downvotes, and sometimes flags and delete votes in the VLQ queue) than they do here (which was one of the reasons I asked this)." CreationDate="2019-06-26T13:10:51.297" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="19728" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="@EJoshuaS this is most probasbly because SO topics are settled more firmly than here and it's easier for users to decide whether the question is off-topic. You probably would get a comparable effect at TWP if someone answered a widely accepted off-topic here, for example question asking for coding help" CreationDate="2019-06-26T13:50:37.303" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19733" PostId="6199" Score="1" Text="Sadly, we have some folks who like to close as many questions as they can, rather than provide answers or help edit the question into answerable shape. I answer questions when I think they are clear enough to provide a good answer. I never worry about &quot;likely to be closed&quot;." CreationDate="2019-06-26T22:33:14.433" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19735" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere If the question can be salvaged through editing, then of course it shouldn't be closed. With that said, I don't agree that the mere fact that something's clear enough to provide a good answer is sufficient proof that the question is a good fit for the site." CreationDate="2019-06-26T22:53:34.150" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="19736" PostId="6199" Score="1" Text="@EJoshuaS - we all get to be judges by using our votes. I answer questions when I think I can be of help. You can choose not to do so." CreationDate="2019-06-26T22:56:35.587" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19738" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="I think it's worth pointing out that TWP is far different than most other SE sites in that almost [every single question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/unanswered) gets at least one answer.  The site is based more on personal experience and opinion than some other sites where opinion-based questions are explicitly not allowed.  Questions requiring closure are somewhat more difficult to define in that respect." CreationDate="2019-06-27T18:08:56.050" UserId="100852" />
  <row Id="19739" PostId="6199" Score="1" Text="@Steve-o169 Some of the other sites allow for more opinionated questions too (e.g. [Literature.se]), as long as there's a way to reasonably defend answers. It's obviously up to the individual sites to define exactly where the line is in terms of when a question becomes so opinion-based that it's no longer possible to reasonably defend answers anymore." CreationDate="2019-06-27T18:33:16.190" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="19741" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="The difference is that it reasonably hard to defend any answer on TWP. Sources don't exist that say &quot;quit your job, find a new one&quot; in many given scenarios. That advice is based purely on opinions of what is acceptable in the workplace and experiences as such. I'm not a member of SE.Literature, but I assume literary analysis is something that is more often sourced than not. Opinions may exist, but those opinions can still reference the literary work in question. There is no specific book or source that covers common workplace scenarios. Regardless, my comments are somewhat off-topic here..." CreationDate="2019-06-27T18:45:23.760" UserId="100852" />
  <row Id="19742" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="@Steve-o169 long ago this site added this requirement to FAQ: [Back It Up and Don't Repeat Others](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/255/168) so I would say here we have rather firm and widely accepted policy on answers" CreationDate="2019-06-28T07:14:22.343" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19746" PostId="6199" Score="0" Text="Answer if you think you're adding something useful, if not, don't. Perfectly good relevant questions can be closed with no valid reason beyond a few people not understanding them. obvious troll questions can persist for unknown reasons. It's a personal choice." CreationDate="2019-06-28T21:02:37.810" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="19724" PostId="6200" Score="0" Text="I don't recall seeing many comments like this, but if I did run into a comment telling someone not to answer, should it be flagged as Unfriendly or Unkind? Or just No Longer Needed?" CreationDate="2019-06-26T13:05:22.963" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="19726" PostId="6200" Score="6" Text="NLN covers many sins." CreationDate="2019-06-26T13:21:25.920" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="19727" PostId="6200" Score="0" Text="Also, how should we handle cases where someone answers a question that's unclear, missing context, or overly broad to the point that we can't really tell whether the answer is correctly addressing the OP's problem or not?  In those cases, should we downvote and/or comment asking the poster to wait for the OP to clarify the question? Is it ever acceptable to flag these as VLQ or NAA? (A good example of the kind of answer I'm referring to is [here](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/135428/61906))." CreationDate="2019-06-26T13:22:58.117" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="19765" PostId="6200" Score="0" Text="@EJoshuaS If I know it's unhelpful I downvote. If I don't know, I can ask for clarification in the comments; lack of response would be a downvote. Worst case scenario I do nothing." CreationDate="2019-07-04T09:59:11.980" UserId="100550" />
  <row Id="19766" PostId="6200" Score="0" Text="@licasgcb But couldn’t you argue that it’s not helpful to guess at what the OP’s problem is if their question is not clear?" CreationDate="2019-07-04T14:29:44.680" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="19732" PostId="6202" Score="6" Text="The edit was rejected by the system as a result of unfortunate timing.  No human rejected your edit, so if your suggestions still apply, please try again." CreationDate="2019-06-26T17:33:16.510" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19737" PostId="6202" Score="2" Text="Thank you both! Someone else made a similar edit in the meantime, so I think that my suggestion doesn't apply any longer. But again, thank you both for clearing this up for me. :-)" CreationDate="2019-06-27T10:53:30.950" UserId="104547" />
  <row Id="19730" PostId="6204" Score="1" Text="*As a community, our first responsibility is to be helpful to people asking questions...* Not sure I agree with that point. Couldn't you argue that the purpose of SE sites is to serve as a repository of useful Q&amp;A, not just to be a help site?" CreationDate="2019-06-26T16:46:32.310" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="19731" PostId="6204" Score="1" Text="At some point it becomes a rhetorical distinction. If we aren't helpful, there's no way to generate content and no value in the repository. And, of course, &quot;being helpful&quot; sometimes includes things like closing a question because it's a dupe, and by doing so you can point the asker to the great information on the dupe that they may have otherwise missed. I guess my point was, we shouldn't care *so much* about curating Q&amp;A that we lose perspective on where the Q's and A's come from or who they're meant to help." CreationDate="2019-06-26T16:50:20.770" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19734" PostId="6204" Score="2" Text="@dwizum - well said!" CreationDate="2019-06-26T22:38:20.407" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19743" PostId="6205" Score="0" Text="The question seems to have been phrased so that it has general applicability. And the OP has  never mentioned his company or his product. So it's okay by that measure, I guess. If the OP's profile didn't contain the company link, I can't imagine there would be any problem, right? So should we close questions just because of what's contained in the Profile? On the other hand, I've seen some questions closed due to &quot;asking for tool suggestion&quot; reasons. I  guess someone motivated enough could find an excuse to vote to close it. I don't see a real problem here... yet." CreationDate="2019-06-28T20:03:11.453" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19744" PostId="6205" Score="0" Text="Yeah - I asked because I'm genuinely not sure. I think there are two important aspects - first, the potential commercial nature of asking about a product the asker is associated with. Secondly - do we allow askers to &quot;conduct research&quot; on our members, without disclosing their intent? I don't know how you'd know if someone was doing that or not, but the OP of this question seemed to be aggressively directing users via comments in a very &quot;market research&quot; manner, which is what tripped my radar." CreationDate="2019-06-28T20:14:55.720" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19745" PostId="6205" Score="1" Text="Let me pose some more generic analogies. What would happen on diy.SE if someone working for Makita showed up and started asking what features people like in cordless power tools? Or on cooking.SE if someone working for LG showed up and asked people what types of cooking appliances they use to make dinner every night? Or here on Workplace.SE if someone from LinkedIn showed up and started asking people what tools they use to maintain a professional network?" CreationDate="2019-06-28T20:17:16.147" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19747" PostId="6205" Score="0" Text="I understand what you are saying. I think in general, we just assume positive intent. If the OP hadn't put the link in their profile, we would have had to simply assume that they were interested in how people track their professional accomplishments. So I guess the lesson to others is to ask whatever they want, but hide their association. I strongly prefer that people disclose these sorts of things, but obviously nobody here does (or at least not that I've ever seen)." CreationDate="2019-06-29T00:57:42.110" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19748" PostId="6205" Score="0" Text="&quot;What would happen on diy.SE if someone working for Makita showed up and started asking what features people like in cordless power tools?&quot; - I don't frequent DIY, so I have no idea. Has it happened? What if the OP doesn't disclose where they work - would the same question be okay?" CreationDate="2019-06-29T00:58:49.400" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19754" PostId="6205" Score="1" Text="One could argue that the large majority of SO users visit the site for commercial purposes and I'm not sure the goal or background of a question is ultimately relevant, provided that it's a good and on-topic question. The linked question here seems like a pretty obvious example of a polling question which should really have been closed. Questions like the DIY example you give are even more obviously polling questions that are normally closed on sight." CreationDate="2019-07-02T06:29:09.173" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19755" PostId="6205" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I appreciate your input and you've made two good points very clear: 1) pretty much all of us are here because of our jobs, 2) regardless of the commercial nature, it's a polling question." CreationDate="2019-07-02T12:25:35.367" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19749" PostId="6206" Score="4" Text="Still, disclosing his affiliation would have been better, right?" CreationDate="2019-06-29T01:00:10.863" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19750" PostId="6206" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere better, probably. Necessary though? What if a researcher stumbled across a question and used information from the answers? What would the ethical difference be in the use of the provided answers? Not disagreeing with you, I think the questions you've raised are both interesting and hard." CreationDate="2019-06-29T07:18:03.020" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="19751" PostId="6206" Score="1" Text="@PlayerOne - others decide the rules here, so they must declare what is necessary and what is not. In my mind, it's always better when folks fully disclose all relevant information." CreationDate="2019-06-29T10:22:56.640" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19752" PostId="6206" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere agree with &quot;always better to disclose&quot;. Not sure if there should be any repercussions when they don't." CreationDate="2019-06-29T15:21:18.273" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="19753" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="Seems like a good edit to me.  Hopefully others will add their reopen votes." CreationDate="2019-07-02T06:03:13.433" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="19768" PostId="6208" Score="0" Text="Workplace SE is for all kind of workplaces. What are we going to do if someone asks how to come up with a _physical_ building security plan? Are we going to provide one? We deal with issues about workplaces in general, not a specific work item. The OP should go to other sites for help." CreationDate="2019-07-08T03:26:44.723" UserId="1193" />
  <row Id="19760" PostId="6209" Score="0" Text="Besides, OP from that post already accepted an answer, so it seems that their query or doubt was satisfied." CreationDate="2019-07-02T20:21:41.507" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19781" PostId="6210" Score="1" Text="As a side note to improving the tags, I would also encourage people to vote on any [pending tag synonyms](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/tags/synonyms?tab=Newest&amp;filter=Suggested). Often synonyms get suggested and then sit in limbo for years because no one thinks to vote on them." CreationDate="2019-07-11T14:34:10.003" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19757" PostId="6211" Score="0" Text="@Jay I did, and they are still in the review queue. I mainly wanted to make sure you weren't wasting more effort on edits that may be rejected. Excerpts should always be a one- or two-liner that give a reference for when to use the tags. Wikis should provide more information defining the tag, and possibly include some helpful links. For location tags, it would be useful to link to sites on relevant employment laws and departments for that location." CreationDate="2019-07-02T17:20:32.587" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19759" PostId="6211" Score="0" Text="@Jay I added more info on what information I think would be relevant." CreationDate="2019-07-02T17:25:24.243" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19763" PostId="6211" Score="3" Text="&quot;Someone tagging united-states might be interested in the california tag though&quot; - I'm not 100% sure what you're proposing, but there are 50 US states; we probably don't want to include all of them in the US tag wiki (although a general reminder about state-specific tags would make sense).  I would agree with the inverse though: referencing the US tag in state tag wikis." CreationDate="2019-07-03T11:22:56.037" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="19764" PostId="6211" Score="2" Text="&quot;helpful links&quot; could include useful questions on the site about the topic." CreationDate="2019-07-03T11:25:53.673" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="19770" PostId="6211" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling Good point, I've switched them. I was just trying to provide an example of two location tags that are closely related." CreationDate="2019-07-08T18:53:03.237" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19771" PostId="6214" Score="1" Text="Great compilation Jay, thanks for taking the time to do so :), perhaps some of these things could be included in the [link](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/trusted-user) I shared in my answer, so we make it more thorough." CreationDate="2019-07-09T20:12:42.973" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19777" PostId="6215" Score="0" Text="Heh, I would not have made a meta post for this hehe, if I had a better, more comprehensive excerpt I would have edited the tag right there.... but good thing you did :)" CreationDate="2019-07-10T16:29:06.133" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19778" PostId="6215" Score="0" Text="But yeah, on a second thought good thing you wrote it, so we can reach consensus. In the case where tags are empty I think is more adequate to just proceed to add a description" CreationDate="2019-07-10T16:29:48.513" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19779" PostId="6215" Score="0" Text="This is a potentially substantial change to the interpretation of the tag (away from &quot;the managers of an organization&quot; and to &quot;management of an organization&quot;) - at least I was hoping for some commentary on that. For edits that have less potential for conversation, I agree it's best just to make them." CreationDate="2019-07-10T16:40:42.347" UserId="5652" />
  <row Id="19782" PostId="6216" Score="0" Text="Seems like there should be a sub domain about &quot;people management.&quot; In fact, I wonder if we should make it clear that *people management* is the focus of &quot;management&quot; in The Workplace context? I'd imagine that questions about Project, Product, or Knowledge management would probably attract VTC's for being off topic (and they probably belong on other SE sites anyways)." CreationDate="2019-07-12T13:31:57.833" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19795" PostId="6216" Score="0" Text="@dwizum, I added HR and performance management disciplines as people management doesn't (yet) have a clear definition across organizations." CreationDate="2019-07-16T11:48:20.243" UserId="5652" />
  <row Id="19790" PostId="6218" Score="0" Text="Out of curiosity, how were you able to see that Mister Positive deleted the post? I thought only 10k+ users could see that." CreationDate="2019-07-15T18:39:53.107" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19791" PostId="6218" Score="0" Text="@DavidK I posted an answer to the original question, and I was midway editing the answer. I also had access to the question URL." CreationDate="2019-07-15T18:45:53.523" UserId="97484" />
  <row Id="19794" PostId="6218" Score="1" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/330909/is-it-appropriate-for-a-site-admin-to-curtail-requested-information-from-a-user" CreationDate="2019-07-15T20:22:46.087" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19792" PostId="6220" Score="0" Text="The question actually has 12 downvotes but six upvotes. The question only had two editors, I edited (quite substantially, I admit) your question twice. You have edited the question eight times. See edit history https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/140045/revisions" CreationDate="2019-07-15T19:07:07.847" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="19793" PostId="6220" Score="4" Text="If your question had no answers, I might agree that it is not &quot;supported&quot; but it has six answers. Not one of them helped you? Read the answers more carefully, slowly. I think dwizum's answer was very helpful, also for me. It helped me understand the Workplace community, I think the key to writing up a good question here is the following suggested by dwizum: **&quot;I want to achieve X, how can I do that?&quot;**" CreationDate="2019-07-15T19:20:39.380" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="19820" PostId="6220" Score="0" Text="too long to read" CreationDate="2019-07-22T19:12:27.050" UserId="87106" />
  <row Id="19883" PostId="6220" Score="0" Text="I upcoted, good luck!" CreationDate="2019-08-05T19:42:24.167" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="19808" PostId="6225" Score="1" Text="You can use the &quot;other&quot; option in the Off-Topic choices - have done this before..." CreationDate="2019-07-22T07:45:06.463" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19809" PostId="6225" Score="0" Text="@SolarMike Yeah, I've done that before too. It's basically a poor-mans version of this feature." CreationDate="2019-07-22T07:53:32.463" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="19810" PostId="6225" Score="0" Text="But if you want the list of all stacks to be available (to cover all possible options) then the list would be so unfriendly..." CreationDate="2019-07-22T07:54:57.663" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19811" PostId="6225" Score="1" Text="@SolarMike I agree that a dumb list would be bad, but it doesn't have to be a dumb list." CreationDate="2019-07-22T07:56:45.027" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="19812" PostId="6225" Score="0" Text="Maybe not, and I can see how it could be done interactively, but you need to consider that functionality will be applied across all sites as it affects the basic structure - it won't be unique to this site... So, that will be an interesting challenge to get that through..." CreationDate="2019-07-22T07:59:07.850" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19813" PostId="6225" Score="0" Text="Yeah. I agree. The scope of my thoughts is getting a bit wide." CreationDate="2019-07-22T07:59:35.397" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="19815" PostId="6225" Score="0" Text="It''s good that we have a place to ask though, change does happen on here..." CreationDate="2019-07-22T08:00:55.783" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19816" PostId="6225" Score="0" Text="@SolarMike It's probably not a feature that's used too much, as is suggestion. If it was, there could be a &quot;pull&quot; model where moderators from the potential destination site could instigate the migration." CreationDate="2019-07-22T08:04:21.367" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="19814" PostId="6226" Score="0" Text="I am not suggesting that migration should occur simply because it gets a few flags. Is that what happens for migration to meta? If that is what happens when you add a migration path, I understand why we are reluctant to add more paths then." CreationDate="2019-07-22T08:00:25.883" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="19817" PostId="6226" Score="2" Text="@GregoryCurrie Yes, the migration paths are to allow users to migrate questions without moderator intervention. IIRC it's the standard five votes to confirm a migration." CreationDate="2019-07-22T11:47:40.610" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19857" PostId="6226" Score="2" Text="It’s interesting you don’t feel workplace doesn’t have valid targets. I’m surprised there aren’t a number of legal questions that wouldn’t be a better fit for law SE" CreationDate="2019-07-28T21:19:29.633" UserId="26114" />
  <row Id="19863" PostId="6226" Score="0" Text="@ThatGuy I was thinking of law SE when I posted this question." CreationDate="2019-07-29T22:35:44.657" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="19864" PostId="6226" Score="0" Text="@ThatGuy Law migration target was [previously not done](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3279/can-we-get-an-off-topic-link-to-law-stackexchange-com/3281#3281) because the site was in beta. You could start a new topic about this if you'd like to reopen that but let me say up front that the vast majority of legal questions that are off-topic here would be off-topic on [law.se] and that's before we even consider question quality for migration rule #1." CreationDate="2019-07-30T04:02:36.250" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19865" PostId="6226" Score="1" Text="I don’t have nearly enough familiarity with either site to make that suggestion @Lilienthal. I’ll take your word for it. I just found it, personally, a bit surprising." CreationDate="2019-07-30T09:50:31.753" UserId="26114" />
  <row Id="19867" PostId="6226" Score="0" Text="@ThatGuy Good of you to recognise, but that shouldn't stop you from raising the topic. It's fine to ask the question without personally weighing in with an opinion. But up to you of course. :)" CreationDate="2019-07-31T00:58:45.453" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19807" PostId="6229" Score="0" Text="Why not address those questions that get closed as duplicate? How can we control new posters to research before posting for questions with answers that clearly respond to their question BEFORE we worry about a country tag?" CreationDate="2019-07-22T07:42:09.220" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19834" PostId="6229" Score="0" Text="@Mike - I think that's a different problem. For your observation, we've been trying to get Stack Exchange to improve duplicate finding and closing area for years. They refuse to do so. Asking for it is like wishing for a Unicorn. This suggestion addresses the information gap in questions; specifically, the missing legal jurisdiction." CreationDate="2019-07-23T21:53:45.737" UserDisplayName="user25792" />
  <row Id="19835" PostId="6229" Score="0" Text="@Mike - And it was not lost on me my comment in [Is it better to have a 10 year gap or a bad reference?](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/140831/25792) was deleted. Country and possibly state information would have allowed a more targeted answer. I find it despicable the moderators on this site delete comments to promote their views and shape questions to conform to their answers like below. The quality of leadership on the Stack Exchange network is so low it is embarrassing." CreationDate="2019-07-23T21:56:06.117" UserDisplayName="user25792" />
  <row Id="19806" PostId="6231" Score="1" Text="*&quot;... it makes no sense to make them obligatory...&quot;* - Huh? What use cases are you studying? Workplace.SE are full of comments like *&quot;[What country are you located in?](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/91668/john-eisbrener)&quot;* For questions that don't require a location, it is simply an extraneous data point that can be ignored." CreationDate="2019-07-22T07:00:34.473" UserDisplayName="user25792" />
  <row Id="19818" PostId="6231" Score="0" Text="@jww Perhaps the majority of our questions would benefit from or should require a country tag to be answered effectively. But you are ignoring a large minority set where a country tag is pointless or would cause confusion (see the link I addd about localised issues). Enforcing a country is a solution that offers a minor benefit to a problem with an easy workaround (close the question and get OP to clarify then reopen) while it would cause significant problems to other questions where no workaround would exist (as you wouldn't be able to have questions without country tags)." CreationDate="2019-07-22T11:54:23.073" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19829" PostId="6231" Score="1" Text="That was real clever... Removing my comment from [Is it better to have a 10 year gap or a bad reference?](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/140831/25792) to prove your point that country codes are not needed. I stand by the comment that depending on the country, the candidate can provide the lone narrative because employers cannot release some information. Moderation here is such a joke..." CreationDate="2019-07-23T17:28:12.467" UserDisplayName="user25792" />
  <row Id="19839" PostId="6231" Score="0" Text="@jww Your comment there was removed because you were trying to answer the question in it which is not what the comment space is for. Notice how the comment from John asking the OP what country he is in is still up. If you have issues with the moderation team we encourage you to discuss those here or on [chat] or to reach out to the SE team if you feel that's warranted." CreationDate="2019-07-24T07:00:07.297" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19840" PostId="6231" Score="1" Text="I did not attempt to answer in the comment. I did not have enough information to provide an answer. Your moderation skills are a joke. They are no better than your ability to identify and fix problems. Keep manipulating to fulfill your goals..." CreationDate="2019-07-24T07:04:27.013" UserDisplayName="user25792" />
  <row Id="20820" PostId="6231" Score="0" Text="Just about every question on this site requires people to know the culture, or regional context in order to answer. The status quo is just to assume US or UK and answer accordingly. As you said, this is a site with an international audience. The status quo is does not reflect that, however, which makes your reasoning here contradictory." CreationDate="2019-12-06T20:52:01.610" UserId="46028" />
  <row Id="19819" PostId="6232" Score="0" Text="Would a revised version of the question be allowed, without all of the links and references to a specific store? Seeing as the OP posted the deleted question, it may be useful to explain what could be done if they wanted to try posting it again." CreationDate="2019-07-22T12:08:34.977" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19821" PostId="6232" Score="5" Text="@DavidK a question about how to go about poaching employees from the competition, without promotional links but with the national and cultural context, would work I think.  It'll probably get some downvotes from people who don't like poaching, but if it's well-asked it'll also get upvotes and answers." CreationDate="2019-07-22T19:58:38.480" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19822" PostId="6232" Score="0" Text="@DavidK the poster had to post the question otherwise it could not have been deleted..." CreationDate="2019-07-23T04:43:02.840" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19824" PostId="6232" Score="1" Text="@SolarMike I mean the poster of this Meta question also posted the deleted question being discussed." CreationDate="2019-07-23T12:06:23.203" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19841" PostId="6232" Score="1" Text="Thanks for clarifying (and updating the question) @DavidK, somehow I missed that this was from the OP. One issue she'll have is that she now has a question block since the question was removed as spam. If she wants to still ask an improved version of the question it's best if she confirms that here so we can look at how to do that." CreationDate="2019-07-24T07:07:59.783" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19823" PostId="6233" Score="1" Text="What would happen if we leave it the way it is? Is there any benefit in increasing it? (Say, how will doing that benefit or help TWP Community?)" CreationDate="2019-07-23T06:09:00.213" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19825" PostId="6233" Score="1" Text="Is there an issue with the lower threshold (i.e., abuse)?" CreationDate="2019-07-23T12:39:17.777" UserId="5652" />
  <row Id="19827" PostId="6233" Score="3" Text="@Jay there's been no abuse.  The issue is just that inconsistencies have ripple effects, like the documentation in the help center on flags is wrong *here* but can't easily be fixed because that content is global.  More broadly, special cases can get forgotten sometimes -- if SE changes something about how flags work, we're relying on somebody on the team doing that work to remember that the threshold isn't always six.  I think it's just safer to eliminate the exception *if* we agree we don't need it." CreationDate="2019-07-23T14:37:02.723" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19828" PostId="6233" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus ^^^" CreationDate="2019-07-23T14:37:12.427" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19832" PostId="6233" Score="3" Text="&quot;shall we do likewise? I don't think we need the special exception any more, especially if we're the only site on the network that has it &quot; - makes complete sense to me. I doubt there's all that much unique about TWP." CreationDate="2019-07-23T18:13:20.300" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19845" PostId="6233" Score="0" Text="This was marked completed less than 1 day from being posted and after &lt;10% of monthly active users viewed it (generously estimated). Even with a consistent &quot;yes&quot; in the answers, I would have liked to see something that changes the mechanics of the site remain open for discussion for at least several days - this hardly seemed urgent." CreationDate="2019-07-24T17:59:17.390" UserId="5652" />
  <row Id="19850" PostId="6233" Score="4" Text="@Jay Some people will be annoyed that small changes that can easily be tested in the field instead of debated over take too long to effect. Others will be miffed that such things are changed too quickly. This had nigh-unanimous support and was a small change with limited impact that we can easily track and quickly roll back. I would argue that further debate on the topic would have been wasted effort." CreationDate="2019-07-25T07:30:16.140" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19830" PostId="6236" Score="5" Text="And the numbers on &quot;offensive&quot; are low enough that the usual complement of humans can handle them without getting overwhelmed.  Thanks for the graphs!" CreationDate="2019-07-23T17:43:25.020" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19847" PostId="6236" Score="1" Text="Today I was reminded that an image is worth a thousand words... good thing you included the graphs Jay" CreationDate="2019-07-25T00:24:43.510" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19849" PostId="6237" Score="0" Text="Related / duplicate on MSE: [How long should I wait before accepting an answer?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/28550)" CreationDate="2019-07-25T06:55:03.680" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="19852" PostId="6237" Score="0" Text="See: [You might want to wait 24 to 48 hours before accepting to give other people a chance to give you a better answer](http://meta.stackexchange.com/a/5235/260382). A question with an accepted answer isn't as likely to receive further attention as one without an accepted answer." CreationDate="2019-07-25T10:35:41.003" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19858" PostId="6238" Score="1" Text="I think you should also mention than accepting an answer with less votes gives that answer a chance to gain votes because of increased visibility. OP's preferred answer probably has fewer votes simply because of the voting snowball effect." CreationDate="2019-07-29T12:33:17.030" UserId="17532" />
  <row Id="19843" PostId="6240" Score="0" Text="I *guarantee* you if we suspend someone there is always a **solid** reason, even if we cannot share the full story with the community." CreationDate="2019-07-24T11:30:09.720" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19844" PostId="6240" Score="2" Text="I see, thanks Mr. Positive. I wasn't trying to know what were the reasons, and I was *sure* there was a valid point in doing that... I just missed the *why* and those posts, and also was curious about the mechanics of this suspension, as I have never seen it before." CreationDate="2019-07-24T15:53:04.193" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19833" PostId="6241" Score="4" Text="*&quot;Usually if you see that suspension reason, there's a lot of deleted content too.&quot;* - *goes check the mod tools* - You are right, the user in question has at least one other post that got deleted as rude/spam, along with the already negative posts the user still has undeleted." CreationDate="2019-07-23T21:27:47.997" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19859" PostId="6241" Score="1" Text="*Sometimes a user gets (un)lucky and earns privileges -- like dodging the automatic quality controls -- before really learning how the site works* I've often wondered why site privileges (and indeed reputation) are &quot;mixed&quot; across all functions and not segregated. There are many users who *only* ask or *only* answer questions, but we give privileges out the same to everyone." CreationDate="2019-07-29T19:26:22.023" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19860" PostId="6241" Score="1" Text="@dwizum it'd probably be pretty confusing, both for users and in the code, to try to separate them. For example, should someone who asks a lot of questions but doesn't answer only be able to flag questions? Wouldn't it be confusing to only be able to vote on some post types and not others?  Reviews would get complicated quickly. That's just off the top of my head. Possibly a better approach would be to require a certain number of *events* and not just a *rep level* -- if the rep to do X has to come from at least 5 posts (or whatever), then one HNQ doesn't do it. But that, too, is complicated." CreationDate="2019-07-29T19:31:10.913" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19861" PostId="6241" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I'm just thinking out loud as much as trying to suggest that it should be different. I don't think there's a single magic way to hand out rep and access to functions, and the one thing we can say for sure is that the current approach has certainly stood the test of time." CreationDate="2019-07-29T19:36:57.963" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19873" PostId="6241" Score="0" Text="@dwizum I've often wondered why the thresholds are the same across all sites. It's a lot easier to earn 1k here than on SO (for example), but the value of that 1k is the same. There's clearly already code to change the thresholds (since they're lower on beta sites), so I've often wondered why they don't scale differently to match the voting patterns specific to each site. I guess people would kick up a stink if they lost their privileges when the thresholds were adjusted?" CreationDate="2019-08-04T01:28:46.060" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="19837" PostId="6242" Score="3" Text="Related: [Does 'back it up' apply 'round here?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2885/73791)" CreationDate="2019-07-23T23:11:28.523" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19838" PostId="6242" Score="2" Text="Related MSE post: [How widespread is the “back it up” principle?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/167259/how-widespread-is-the-back-it-up-principle)" CreationDate="2019-07-23T23:11:44.283" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19851" PostId="6242" Score="3" Text="I think you are confusing a logical fallacy with the simple objective fact that experience and training can make people more qualified to answer questions or otherwise share knowledge on the things they are experienced or trained in. &quot;*As your doctor I recommend that you lose weight.*&quot; is not an appeal to identity, neither is prefixing an answer with &quot;*based on my experience as a manager*&quot;. If someone gives himself the title of manager or CEO but has no experience to realistically claim it, using that title in an argument would be a fallacy." CreationDate="2019-07-25T07:37:31.487" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19862" PostId="6242" Score="2" Text="&quot;I frequently see an appeal to identity in answers&quot; - I'm not sure I see a lot of answers that attempt to claim any validity solely due to the identity of the answerer. In your own answer you wrote &quot;a perspective from a manger.&quot; To me, that's not an &quot;appeal to identity&quot;." CreationDate="2019-07-29T22:03:57.800" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19842" PostId="6243" Score="3" Text="**Bingo**.  To me its part of backing up your answer." CreationDate="2019-07-24T11:28:38.993" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19848" PostId="6246" Score="1" Text="I've seen questions in the reopen queue with the comment &quot;This question was edited after it was put on hold&quot; (or similar - there aren't any there now for me to check the exact wording). I was under the impression that these were added to the queue automatically, does a person have to nominate them before they get there?" CreationDate="2019-07-25T05:40:48.190" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="19855" PostId="6247" Score="0" Text="ok so it is high-rep people responsibility to reopen questions? I was hoping we can give people some hope that question on hold can be reopened" CreationDate="2019-07-25T18:56:50.203" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="19856" PostId="6247" Score="2" Text="On many sites there is an active community that reopens questions really quickly. The review queue works - however the post will need to have whatever caused it to be closed sorted, otherwise the reviewers will say no. And it is definitely not high rep users: it's anyone over 3k rep for graduated sites." CreationDate="2019-07-25T19:58:44.907" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="19880" PostId="6254" Score="2" Text="That synonym was deleted as part of the merge (log on my answer)." CreationDate="2019-08-05T19:22:15.737" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19869" PostId="6255" Score="6" Text="Agreed, I see no reason for this tag." CreationDate="2019-08-02T12:31:08.423" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19870" PostId="6255" Score="2" Text="Why bother removing it? Someone will add it back eventually." CreationDate="2019-08-02T20:23:48.460" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19872" PostId="6255" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'm not saying it should be removed, but we should do *something* with it and I'm not sure we need it. Hence removing is one of the options." CreationDate="2019-08-03T07:56:11.953" UserId="26901" />
  <row Id="19877" PostId="6255" Score="1" Text="I see it's just 2 posts with the unclear tag. I would just have edited it out... anyways, seems that the consensus is to remove this so I gave it a go." CreationDate="2019-08-05T17:01:03.163" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19882" PostId="6255" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus With your rep, I'd have too. But this is hardly my turf, so I left it to you lot. I just point and you can decide what to do with it. All working as intended." CreationDate="2019-08-05T19:41:23.783" UserId="26901" />
  <row Id="19884" PostId="6255" Score="0" Text="@Mast I understand. Thanks for letting us know about this :)" CreationDate="2019-08-05T19:45:55.613" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19871" PostId="6256" Score="4" Text="I get where you are coming from, but if I were posting a question on the topic of transexualism, and I saw the description of [gender] including &quot;Questions relating to gender&quot;, I would probably end up using the tag anyway." CreationDate="2019-08-03T03:48:16.640" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="19947" PostId="6256" Score="1" Text="If we were try to carve out gender identity from gender in general, then *don't* make the new tag &quot;transgender&quot;.  That excludes non-binary and genderfluid and probably some other gender identities I don't know about.  I don't know if &quot;gender-identity&quot; would be the right tag, but it's less exclusive at least." CreationDate="2019-08-23T18:10:49.047" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19874" PostId="6258" Score="7" Text="Off-topic, but [&quot;burninate&quot; is a familiar term in SE universe](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/120640/241919) for removing a tag. And I agree with you: I don't know what &quot;ghosting&quot; means, so can you help improving the tag [by adding an excerpt, and perhaps also the wiki](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/edit-tag-wiki/1002)?" CreationDate="2019-08-05T11:05:58.273" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="19875" PostId="6258" Score="0" Text="@AndrewT. Thanks! I have edited added some Tag info for &quot;ghosting&quot;. Burninate is strange, obfuscating word for a concept as simple as tag removal. I will agree to disagree, however." CreationDate="2019-08-05T13:33:50.567" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="19876" PostId="6258" Score="3" Text="Burninating all the peoples, and their thatched roof COTTAGESSSS!!!!" CreationDate="2019-08-05T14:40:52.717" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19879" PostId="6258" Score="2" Text="Seems that you have not yet met [Trogdor](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/121570/332286)" CreationDate="2019-08-05T17:08:13.793" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19881" PostId="6258" Score="0" Text="Trogdor? Nah, never played dungeons and dragons in high school. :-)" CreationDate="2019-08-05T19:30:39.453" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="19886" PostId="6258" Score="0" Text="I said consummate V's. CONSUMMATE!!!" CreationDate="2019-08-05T20:48:28.423" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19878" PostId="6259" Score="0" Text="Agree with this. Communication is a better tag here." CreationDate="2019-08-05T17:01:54.343" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19885" PostId="6261" Score="3" Text="I have seen cases where it is important to distinct between the two types of termination (performance and non-performance). Perhaps we need to be able to differentiate them." CreationDate="2019-08-05T19:54:00.560" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19901" PostId="6261" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus A few others here make a sound argument for preserving a layoff tag, obvious question then is whether the firing tag synonym needs to go. I'm personally leaning towards no to avoid tag fragmentation with little added benefit. Layoff has a (mostly) clear definition while everything else can fall under the general moniker." CreationDate="2019-08-06T18:45:47.187" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19902" PostId="6261" Score="0" Text="So, you say redundancy merged to layoff, but keep firing separate and pointing to termination?" CreationDate="2019-08-06T18:48:26.803" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19903" PostId="6261" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus It's the status quo but also what I guess makes most sense yes. layoff will have value to stand on its own with termination used as a catch-all." CreationDate="2019-08-06T19:00:22.983" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19904" PostId="6261" Score="2" Text="I see. Yes, I am also of the opinion that both cases should be able to be differentiated. Merging redundancy to layoff and keeping firing -&gt; termination is the way I see for now to go." CreationDate="2019-08-06T19:09:40.833" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19931" PostId="6261" Score="0" Text="Any news on this?" CreationDate="2019-08-20T16:17:51.427" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19942" PostId="6261" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Lost sight of this. After posting I kept an eye on this for a week hoping there'd be some consensus but even know there's no clear support for even the simple merge we discussed here earlier. Negative score on the question is probably because I included the termination merge which has no support and shouldn't be done. I'll check with the mod team if they support the merge to give us some measure of a quorum." CreationDate="2019-08-21T16:35:12.290" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19946" PostId="6261" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus Merge performed. See edit and Monica's answer below." CreationDate="2019-08-23T09:56:58.167" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19897" PostId="6262" Score="2" Text="single downvote won't get reversed: [a downvote a day keeps the reversal-script away](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/308502/839601). Double downvote from account previously caught abusing [probably will](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/144478/165773): &quot;it is most likely that vote reversal script uses some data about prior abuse...&quot;" CreationDate="2019-08-06T14:55:52.890" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19907" PostId="6262" Score="0" Text="Don't worry about it. The site should award a badge for being serial downvoted. The serial downvoters are pretty much able to do what they want, like setup puppet accounts and write scripts to downvote from the puppet account. There does not seem to be any real interest in stopping them." CreationDate="2019-08-07T01:15:39.920" UserDisplayName="user25792" />
  <row Id="19887" PostId="6263" Score="3" Text="So, the original question is does anything happen to someone caught committing serial downvoting? as the help page you give does not elucidate." CreationDate="2019-08-06T07:42:53.913" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19898" PostId="6263" Score="4" Text="Yes, they get their votes handed back to them.  If the behaviour is serial, it'll get addressed by the site admins.  Actual action taken is down to the admin team to decide, usually in the form of education.  Persistent vote abuse may result in suspension." CreationDate="2019-08-06T15:27:45.707" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="19899" PostId="6263" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that is nice to know and your effort is appreciated. Cheers." CreationDate="2019-08-06T15:30:33.813" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19905" PostId="6263" Score="1" Text="@SolarMike as a side note, as one gains rep (at least here), one tends to gather the infamous &quot;downvote stalkers&quot;... where, no matter if your answer or post is *perfect*, you will see a -1 or -2 now and then... but that is a different situation from serial DVting." CreationDate="2019-08-06T23:26:16.190" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19888" PostId="6264" Score="0" Text="Layoff does not necessarily imply payment while redundancy does, well in some localities...." CreationDate="2019-08-06T12:08:32.190" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19889" PostId="6264" Score="2" Text="@SolarMike I'm not sure I understand the difference. In the US at least, there is no difference in the two terms. I had always taken &quot;lay-off&quot; to be the term more common in the US, and &quot;redundancy&quot; to be the UK equivalent, with no actual significant difference in meaning." CreationDate="2019-08-06T12:14:51.210" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19890" PostId="6264" Score="0" Text="Well, seasonal workers get &quot;laid off&quot; and don't get paid for the off season while workers who get made redundant tend to get a payment, called a redundancy payment, which is based on several factors, one being length of service. So Those terms seem significantly different." CreationDate="2019-08-06T12:16:03.730" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19891" PostId="6264" Score="1" Text="In the US people getting laid off may be paid a severance. It can be based on number of years working, or some other agreement. In some cases they get nothing." CreationDate="2019-08-06T12:29:09.787" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="19892" PostId="6264" Score="0" Text="@SolarMike The specifics of payout are definitely different depending on where you are on what your contract is, but that's true of the majority of topics here. We don't have different tags for [tag:notice-period], even though in the US it's voluntary, and in India you are absolutely required to serve. I think the similarity between [tag:redundancy] and [tag:layoff], that they are both about the *position* being eliminated, is more important than the legal nuances." CreationDate="2019-08-06T13:19:27.897" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19895" PostId="6264" Score="1" Text="@DavidK But I do believe the difference is significant and, probably, so do those who get laid off compared to those who are made redundant..." CreationDate="2019-08-06T13:28:49.560" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19900" PostId="6264" Score="1" Text="It would appear that British English has the verb &quot;to lay off&quot; as well but defines it differently as a usually temporary dismissal of employees from their job due to lack of budget or work. Decent description [here](https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/dispelling-the-myths-about-laying-off-employees/). David's answer covers my take on it which is to support a merge to avoid drawing a distinction that different people will interpret differently with little added benefit." CreationDate="2019-08-06T18:42:50.317" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19909" PostId="6264" Score="2" Text="I agree with merging the tags, especially because the &quot;layoff&quot; as a synonym of &quot;temporary contract ended&quot; seems to be a very UK thing. For non-natives that were educated in American English, &quot;layoff&quot; brings to mind the US meaning, not the UK. The UK meaning for me is more a natural consequence of having a temporary or fixed-date contract." CreationDate="2019-08-07T08:28:46.220" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="19908" PostId="6266" Score="0" Text="While I understand that the UK has separate meanings for &quot;Lay off&quot; and &quot;Redundancy&quot;, my opinion is that the tags should reflect the usual terms that are understandable by most non-native speakers (since this exchange is global). If you learned American English (as I did) the meaning of &quot;laid off&quot; is what the UK understands as &quot;redundancy&quot; and the UK meaning of &quot;laid off&quot; is just &quot;contract ended&quot; as happens with all temporary contracts." CreationDate="2019-08-07T08:25:20.617" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="19910" PostId="6266" Score="0" Text="Ahh, but if you can't speak english like she should be spoke..." CreationDate="2019-08-07T08:30:26.257" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19911" PostId="6266" Score="0" Text="So, in your meaning of &quot;laid-off&quot; you get a termination payment based on time served ?" CreationDate="2019-08-07T08:32:06.107" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19912" PostId="6266" Score="0" Text="For the American English meaning of &quot;layoff&quot;, you're entitled to compensation based on local laws and collective (unions, work council, etc.) / individual agreements which may or may not be based on time served. The employee was prematurely dismissed from a position due to no fault of their own - if there was fault it would be called &quot;termination&quot;, if they were dismissed from the position in the due time on the contract (the case of seasonal / temporary contracts), the contract ended." CreationDate="2019-08-07T08:37:57.560" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="19913" PostId="6266" Score="0" Text="I think it is past the time that you face the reality that the majority of English speakers do use the American dialect instead of UK. A communicator adapts to their audience." CreationDate="2019-08-07T08:39:42.790" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="19914" PostId="6266" Score="0" Text="The number of Americans speaking &quot;an English dialect&quot; is far outweighed by the number of people speaking English around the world...  India is a good example..." CreationDate="2019-08-07T08:42:56.873" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19915" PostId="6266" Score="0" Text="Funny case because all Indian and Pakistani people I know use UK English pronouciation with American English vernacular. If we're discussing written speech, what is the source of the vernacular is more relevant than the pronouciation. But well, I guess you're entitled to your opinion, whether the majority will agree or not is a horse of a different color." CreationDate="2019-08-08T07:30:28.347" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="19916" PostId="6266" Score="0" Text="Well, I lived in Coventry for several years and the Indians &amp; Pakistanis speak very well but the English idiom &amp; vernacular is prevalent... also, spent time in Birmngham... again the Indians don’t talk « redneck »..." CreationDate="2019-08-08T07:39:36.013" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19944" PostId="6274" Score="0" Text="yeah, I noticed when I posted a few things" CreationDate="2019-08-22T16:05:57.633" UserId="87106" />
  <row Id="19919" PostId="6275" Score="1" Text="&quot;*Should the people who VTC'd a question that is later reopened get some percentage of points removed?*&quot; No, of course not. The ideal scenario here would have been that the new member edited their original question to fix all of the problems, and it was then reopened. The goal of some VTCs is a future reopen. It makes no sense to punish people for doing the right thing." CreationDate="2019-08-14T08:44:46.533" UserId="66743" />
  <row Id="19920" PostId="6275" Score="2" Text="If the goal of VTC is to prompt the op to edit their question, it would be more effective to first kindly tell them what is *actually* wrong first and give them an opportunity to edit. Too much trigger-happiness with vtc, downvotes and dupe-marking.is hostile to newcomers, and yes, many of these actions are at least heavy handed and sometimes just wrong." CreationDate="2019-08-14T12:00:06.560" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="19921" PostId="6276" Score="0" Text="Ignoring the validity of the example, do you have thoughts on what we can do to support new users?" CreationDate="2019-08-14T21:21:36.587" UserId="5652" />
  <row Id="19922" PostId="6276" Score="0" Text="@Jay A difficult question because there's not much we can do that isn't eventually up to individual users. If you see a summarily closed question that lacks feedback, &quot;be the change you wish to see in the world&quot; and provide some context. As I said I think we're mostly handling these questions well and we have plenty of regulars who will put in the extra effort of welcoming new people and explaining what they can do to get their question reopened / received better. But as Joe says we *can* do better." CreationDate="2019-08-14T22:20:21.683" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19923" PostId="6277" Score="3" Text="On #4, it's important for people to flag those when they come across them.  Moderators do not see most comments." CreationDate="2019-08-15T03:27:28.090" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19924" PostId="6277" Score="1" Text="This is a great answer. &quot;Encourage editing instead of voting to close&quot; - but how?" CreationDate="2019-08-15T21:14:45.350" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19925" PostId="6277" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere, visibility &amp; role modeling go a long way. Seeing substantial edits to questions from high-rep users gives some credibility to the action. Communicating in the comments appreciation for question-rescuing edits reinforces editing as a positive behavior." CreationDate="2019-08-16T20:19:25.687" UserId="5652" />
  <row Id="19926" PostId="6277" Score="1" Text="@Jay - I understand. Unfortunately, lots of close votes occur extremely quickly - well before any substantial edits could. And those who are close-vote happy, haven't seemed to respond to edits and comments so far." CreationDate="2019-08-16T20:25:07.983" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19927" PostId="6277" Score="4" Text="If this site is like other SE sites, “unclear” is too often used when what is asked is actually perfectly obvious." CreationDate="2019-08-16T21:52:14.553" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="19929" PostId="6277" Score="0" Text="I agree this is a good answer and I upvoted. I will say that aggressive edits are not always plausible without the OP providing clarifications." CreationDate="2019-08-17T17:03:59.760" UserDisplayName="user85135" />
  <row Id="19932" PostId="6277" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere *Unfortunately, lots of close votes occur extremely quickly* - indeed. I cut back on trying to rescue-edit new questions several months ago because I got frustrated that they'd be closed before I was even finished typing the edit." CreationDate="2019-08-20T17:32:18.473" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19934" PostId="6277" Score="0" Text="There are, of course, organic things we can do (e.g., encouragement in the comments). @MonicaCellio, are there feasible structural changes that could be made as well (e.g., changing the pre-populated close vote reasons, changing who can cast close votes)?" CreationDate="2019-08-21T00:13:26.750" UserId="5652" />
  <row Id="19935" PostId="6277" Score="0" Text="@WGroleau if you see unclear votes on a question that seems obvious to you, then it probably means that you're perceiving something the voters aren't.  If you can edit to clarify the question, you can help the OP and fend off further votes.  I find it best to leave a comment explaining the edit, so that both the OP and reviewers will see it." CreationDate="2019-08-21T00:50:58.200" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19936" PostId="6277" Score="0" Text="@Jay we can change the custom off-topic reasons but not the others.  Changing the off-topic ones starts with a meta post.  We can't change who can cast votes.  If people aren't aligned in close/reopen voting (seems to be the case), we can try to reach consensus on meta and informally discuss in chat.  I think our biggest problem is on the *reopen* end; lots of questions legitimately get put on hold because key information is missing, but when that's fixed *people aren't voting to reopen*." CreationDate="2019-08-21T00:53:50.293" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19937" PostId="6277" Score="1" Text="How can I clarify a question that’s already perfectly clear?" CreationDate="2019-08-21T02:54:11.473" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="19938" PostId="6277" Score="0" Text="@WGroleau, I believe the point of Monica is then to assume that it is clear for you, but not to others (in good faith). So you could edit to reformulate trying to make it even clearer. Emphasizing the important points, etc." CreationDate="2019-08-21T09:13:02.657" UserId="38233" />
  <row Id="19940" PostId="6277" Score="1" Text="I’m not convinced that it was good faith in the ones I complaint about in review queues.  Maybe not malicious, but if you don’t like the background info under a perfectly clear and concise title question, the appropriate response is a downvote, not a vote to close.  And if it’s off-topic, say so instead of saying it’s not clear.  I haven’t seen it often, but it’s irritating when it happens." CreationDate="2019-08-21T14:39:40.780" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="19952" PostId="6277" Score="1" Text="Here's an example from today's queue in another stack: voted closed because &quot;unclear what you're asking.&quot;  The question is quite obvious: &quot;Is (address) the correct place to mail a UK visa application?&quot; https://travel.stackexchange.com/review/close/123511" CreationDate="2019-09-02T18:58:38.997" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="19930" PostId="6278" Score="0" Text="New users can't vote to close questions. It requires, IIRC, at least 2000 reputation to vote to close. However, sometimes those newly 2000 users tend to be more trigger-happy regarding close votes compared to other, higher-rep users." CreationDate="2019-08-19T17:44:38.420" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19939" PostId="6278" Score="0" Text="I meant close a question asked by a new user." CreationDate="2019-08-21T13:51:30.727" UserId="62790" />
  <row Id="19928" PostId="6279" Score="4" Text="cross-site duplicate: [How to correct spelling or grammar with 5 or fewer characters?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/291716/165773)" CreationDate="2019-08-17T12:34:37.383" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19933" PostId="6281" Score="5" Text="It's probably worth looking at [this thread](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/72/what-comments-are-not?rq=1)." CreationDate="2019-08-20T22:41:16.723" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="19941" PostId="6281" Score="4" Text="@JaneS and [this](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3053/73791) one... and [this](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4492/73791) other... aaaand [this](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2987/73791) other... I think we need a Canonical Post regarding comments being deleted so we have a good post to use as dupe target of these sort of questions" CreationDate="2019-08-21T16:18:32.853" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19948" PostId="6281" Score="5" Text="Possible duplicate of [Why was my comment deleted?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3053/why-was-my-comment-deleted)" CreationDate="2019-08-26T17:01:10.293" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="19943" PostId="6282" Score="0" Text="So, deleting comments that are probably &quot;helpful&quot; to the OP is the standard response then." CreationDate="2019-08-22T06:25:41.790" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="19945" PostId="6283" Score="0" Text="Merge done and I've updated the tag wikis. Note that [tag:quitting] also exists." CreationDate="2019-08-23T09:55:26.443" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="19949" PostId="6284" Score="10" Text="I think the reason this usually happens is that your one particular comment got flagged, but none of the others, so only your comment was removed. Usually moderators don't spend too much effort sorting through the rest of the comments in every thread with a flagged comment, as that would take more time than they have." CreationDate="2019-08-30T11:39:01.830" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19951" PostId="6284" Score="3" Text="Don't forget that users can delete their own comments and answers.  Don't assume that everything removed is because a moderator did it." CreationDate="2019-09-02T06:32:56.930" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="19954" PostId="6284" Score="2" Text="@Snow - I can assure you with the utmost certainty that I did not delete my own comment." CreationDate="2019-09-03T00:10:38.943" UserId="9264" />
  <row Id="19959" PostId="6284" Score="3" Text="Thats because moderation IS irregular" CreationDate="2019-09-07T23:13:47.030" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="19996" PostId="6284" Score="0" Text="Possible duplicate of [Where did the comments go?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6188/where-did-the-comments-go)" CreationDate="2019-09-19T18:42:14.000" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="19953" PostId="6288" Score="2" Text="What I don't understand is why it got so many downvotes? It's not *that* badly written... perhaps some CEO's took it personally? I also think there is a valid question and opportunity for OP to learn (or to change their mindset). Will try to edit it to improve it's appearance." CreationDate="2019-09-02T22:59:00.760" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19955" PostId="6288" Score="5" Text="It's an interesting question, but I think it's really more a philosophical/societal question. It's likely to dredge up strong opinions regarding pay inequality, the history of labor, etc, etc.  It's pretty clearly not a question about navigating the work place and doesn't seem at all suited for this forum." CreationDate="2019-09-03T11:50:07.987" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19956" PostId="6288" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere the reasons behind pay scales are pretty important. It's not an ideal question, but I've seen worse." CreationDate="2019-09-03T11:59:50.297" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="19957" PostId="6288" Score="3" Text="&quot;Is their pay justified?&quot; -- how is that not primarily opinion-based?  A question about the factors that inform CEO pay would be workable, but this'll need some editing to get there, in my opinion." CreationDate="2019-09-03T21:59:40.377" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19958" PostId="6288" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi - I've seen worse as well. I don't think that makes the question at hand any better though. It's an interesting question, but not for The Workplace IMHO." CreationDate="2019-09-03T22:12:40.370" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19967" PostId="6293" Score="3" Text="The title of the question is mostly philosophical and was probably a poor choice. That's likely what the &quot;close voters&quot; are objecting to. I changed the title, and voted to reopen." CreationDate="2019-09-12T18:35:43.010" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19970" PostId="6293" Score="0" Text="Thanks Joe for the edit, and others for the reopen votes." CreationDate="2019-09-13T15:12:28.717" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19960" PostId="6294" Score="0" Text="I felt the same initially, but after reading the OP's comments, it seemed like their motives were a little more innocent than that. I guess the reason why I posted this here is that I feel like we routinely allow many questions that are just as &quot;company or legal specific&quot; as this one, and it strikes me that the only reason why people closed this one is because they had a negative reaction to it, and not because it's actually any more off topic than other questions which remain open." CreationDate="2019-09-12T16:18:38.643" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19961" PostId="6294" Score="0" Text="@dwizum My guess is there are a few parents in our community to that took issue with the *tone* of the question.  :-}" CreationDate="2019-09-12T16:20:06.360" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19962" PostId="6294" Score="0" Text="Understandable! I retyped my answer a few times because - as a parent - I didn't really like the tone at first either. I guess I don't think &quot;I don't like your tone&quot; should result in closing a question. But I also know that lots of people VTC simply because they don't like something, versus voting in a manner that's actually consistent or which follows the site guidelines." CreationDate="2019-09-12T16:22:46.997" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19963" PostId="6294" Score="1" Text="@dwizum a valid point.  I didn't particularly like the question, but did not feel strongly enough that it was necessary to close, but the community felt otherwise." CreationDate="2019-09-12T16:32:48.813" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19968" PostId="6294" Score="2" Text="&quot;To me, the question reads as a bit of complaining \ minor rant.&quot; - I read it that way as well, but mostly in the title." CreationDate="2019-09-12T22:04:24.750" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19966" PostId="6295" Score="1" Text="I've thought about editing my answer to include other types of &quot;protected leave&quot; such as FMLA in the US. I think the question does open the door for a broader point, which is that there are many cases where unpaid leave is a protected right besides being a parent." CreationDate="2019-09-12T17:21:27.480" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19971" PostId="6296" Score="5" Text="Clearly you're upset about some of the moderation, but right now this post just reads as a rambling vent session without a clear direction. What are you trying to achieve with this post? What sort of response would you like? I suggest that you take a step back to think about your goal and and edit your question to better reflect that." CreationDate="2019-09-13T17:09:27.770" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19972" PostId="6296" Score="3" Text="if you flag nasty comments they will get deleted." CreationDate="2019-09-13T17:52:53.570" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19973" PostId="6296" Score="1" Text="This answer sums up comments very well IMO https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6135/61096" CreationDate="2019-09-13T17:57:41.103" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="19974" PostId="6296" Score="5" Text="Could you clarify your question?  Is this post about one declined comment flag on meta?  I think you're trying to make a broader point but I'm having trouble following; please clarify." CreationDate="2019-09-13T18:58:37.760" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19975" PostId="6296" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive I did flag it but I saw it again today and it's still there and it says that i already flagged it so if its still there doesnt that mean that its allowed?" CreationDate="2019-09-13T18:58:47.917" UserId="87106" />
  <row Id="19976" PostId="6296" Score="5" Text="@Tina_Sea - the six votes seem to indicate that individuals agree with the sentiment in the comment. That doesn't mean moderators like it or agree with it. If enough people flag the comment, it will get deleted. If you could be more specific about what bothers you, maybe we could help. Your questions have gotten a fair amount of upvotes and answers - hopefully you are getting some value here." CreationDate="2019-09-13T19:01:58.837" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="19981" PostId="6296" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [If I can see comments are getting out of hand, what can/should I do?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4338/if-i-can-see-comments-are-getting-out-of-hand-what-can-should-i-do)" CreationDate="2019-09-17T08:35:16.257" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="19978" PostId="6297" Score="5" Text="Unless the world doesn't understand what the downvotes and upvotes mean for this question and answer, I don't think we have done a disservice at all. You understood which answer was ridiculous. Let's give credit to others that they can understand it too." CreationDate="2019-09-15T23:59:23.847" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20137" PostId="6298" Score="2" Text="To add to this action, you don't need to be a native speaker to understand that answer as ridiculous. Provided the link with the definition and knowing that it is a racial slur and it is considered offensive, you just put 2+2 together..." CreationDate="2019-10-01T16:18:47.737" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="20139" PostId="6298" Score="1" Text="That's a fair point, have added info to my answer about the actual content in this question." CreationDate="2019-10-01T17:38:22.367" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="20210" PostId="6298" Score="0" Text="Usually the ESLs are the ones who are going to call the racists on their BS because somebody is going to ask &quot;What is chink?&quot; sooner or later - sooner if they're in a circumstance they cannot freely google something up" CreationDate="2019-10-02T12:57:10.273" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="19980" PostId="6299" Score="1" Text="Fell free to edit the template or the question. To make it better." CreationDate="2019-09-17T06:19:58.460" UserId="105808" />
  <row Id="19982" PostId="6299" Score="1" Text="How are the guys at MSE know about this feedback? There is currently no way to provide that feedback back to them. I applaud your idea of gathering the adds here, but we should also contemplate *how* is this feedback going to be useful. Browsing a bit I found this post which is requesting such feature to be able to submit feedback from ads:[Please give us an easy way to flag inappropriate ads](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/329700/please-give-us-an-easy-way-to-flag-inappropriate-ads)" CreationDate="2019-09-17T21:45:45.483" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="19984" PostId="6299" Score="0" Text="Several bad ads are recorded on the original post too." CreationDate="2019-09-17T22:52:39.363" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19985" PostId="6299" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio, There is a lots of report on the SE question. But I feel like good site like Workplace should have their own report. I do update my answer on The main question too." CreationDate="2019-09-18T06:47:52.550" UserId="105808" />
  <row Id="19987" PostId="6299" Score="0" Text="At the risk of sounding like I don't appreciate your initiative, I have found the sad truth to be that the vast majority of adds are animated. I just went and page-refreshed a bunch of questions and saw 8 adds. All 8 of them were animated. If &quot;no animation&quot; is one of the criteria for this trial, it's failure should be so obvious that we (users) don't need to put effort into reporting it." CreationDate="2019-09-18T15:15:11.283" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19988" PostId="6299" Score="0" Text="@dwizum, My initiative is simple. Let people from XYZ Site that there is NSFW or inapropriate ads on their site. Most users brose with adblock and don't even know that we were testing add.The &quot;tag&quot; animated and Nsfw is just there because thats what I remember from reading answers on the main question." CreationDate="2019-09-18T15:26:41.223" UserId="105808" />
  <row Id="19990" PostId="6299" Score="0" Text="@null I meant the original meta post here on Workplace.  I just edited my answer there last week to add a new sighting of a bad ad.  That's the post I meant, sorry." CreationDate="2019-09-18T17:55:18.640" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="19997" PostId="6299" Score="2" Text="Somebody reported one of our inappropriate ads directly on main meta and it got a response within hours saying that ad would be taken down.  Looks like that's the place to get attention and not here at all, whether on this post or the original.  Thanks for bringing this up here (I definitely agree that ad is NSFW); might need to post there?" CreationDate="2019-09-19T23:15:31.753" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20004" PostId="6299" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio, I also got the same answer from the same staff 7 days ago. And it was on a site meta. But the ads are still here. I guess it's the 6-9 weeks or the lake of twitter. Edit: Weight lost ads are gone, in my daily few click with out adblock routine." CreationDate="2019-09-23T11:42:54.530" UserId="105808" />
  <row Id="19992" PostId="6302" Score="4" Text="Same things happens with close votes, a bunch of people just click through, nothing can be done about it." CreationDate="2019-09-19T02:25:09.180" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="19994" PostId="6302" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi: Are you back on TWP full-time? https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6062/437" CreationDate="2019-09-19T18:33:59.853" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="19999" PostId="6302" Score="0" Text="To be honest, I'm guilty of misclicking edits, and I feel this is a related and a pretty big issue." CreationDate="2019-09-20T14:42:24.433" UserId="98027" />
  <row Id="20013" PostId="6302" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi - We could turn them into fertilizer. But yeah, when I first came here I thought this place was brutal. Now I think some people just get click-happy." CreationDate="2019-09-24T18:30:33.140" UserId="22871" />
  <row Id="20014" PostId="6302" Score="2" Text="@JulieinAustin for some it's just another version of trolling the site. It's the nature of the internet beast that people will find ways." CreationDate="2019-09-24T21:28:32.390" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="19986" PostId="6303" Score="1" Text="I don't want to sound like I'm evaluating your example question (since I haven't read it all) but - are you willing to accept that, for some questions, there just may not be a ready supply of creative, actionable answers? *Especially* given the constraints you've mentioned (junior employee with no flexibility or authority, management possibly reacting but very slowly)?" CreationDate="2019-09-18T15:10:45.950" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="19989" PostId="6303" Score="2" Text="Very related: [When asked 'How can I foo the bar?' is 'Don't foo the bar' an appropriate answer?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2321/when-asked-how-can-i-foo-the-bar-is-dont-foo-the-bar-an-appropriate-answer)" CreationDate="2019-09-18T15:50:24.460" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="19991" PostId="6303" Score="2" Text="Also somewhat related to https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem I'd caution against obfuscating your question to avoid &quot;don't do that&quot; answers, or you end up in XY problem territory. I think your question made clear what the limitations are, and it's telling that the overwhelming response is still to confront those limitations." CreationDate="2019-09-18T18:55:13.173" UserId="63134" />
  <row Id="19998" PostId="6303" Score="0" Text="Other source material on Interpersonal.SE meta: [To what extent do we respect the OP's request?](https://interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/1495/to-what-extent-do-we-respect-the-ops-request) and [“Just the facts, ma'am.” OR Reining in answers](https://interpersonal.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234/just-the-facts-maam-or-reining-in-answers)" CreationDate="2019-09-20T14:19:59.773" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="20000" PostId="6306" Score="1" Text="There are currently 22 items in the close queue, compared to 0-3 in the others.  I haven't been tracking this recently to know if those are typical numbers." CreationDate="2019-09-20T17:54:12.120" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20001" PostId="6306" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio this seems pretty in line to what I've been seeing." CreationDate="2019-09-20T18:36:31.870" UserId="98027" />
  <row Id="20002" PostId="6306" Score="1" Text="Possible duplicate of [Red dot on Suggested Edit review Queue](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4891/red-dot-on-suggested-edit-review-queue)" CreationDate="2019-09-20T23:35:44.123" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20016" PostId="6306" Score="5" Text="We have a small group of folks who very actively like to cast close votes, triggering reviews. And we don't have enough folks who care to constantly review these questions in the queue. Thus, red dots." CreationDate="2019-09-26T12:35:14.857" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20005" PostId="6308" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure I fully understand your question. Are you asking what the basic assumptions are in the four categories you listed if no details are provided?" CreationDate="2019-09-23T16:39:09.700" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="20006" PostId="6308" Score="0" Text="@DavidK - yes, exactly. The basic assumptions when one or many of these categories are not specified when writing the question body." CreationDate="2019-09-23T16:42:55.173" UserId="62493" />
  <row Id="20081" PostId="6308" Score="0" Text="Since many questions have locale-specific attributes, I don't understand why locale isn't a required field. If it were, far fewer assumptions would be required. So many questions end up with comments asking &quot;what country?&quot; Seems like a big waste." CreationDate="2019-09-30T22:27:48.937" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20007" PostId="6309" Score="2" Text="The key here is *&quot;we try not to make assumptions at all&quot;*." CreationDate="2019-09-23T18:26:17.240" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20080" PostId="6309" Score="0" Text="&quot;but usually we assume that anyone can be fired for any reason, since that is the worst case scenario.&quot; Which is only true in at-will employments, and is something I have noticed negatively quite some time. this site isn't only for the US or other at-will employment countries. its global. This is assumed far too often." CreationDate="2019-09-30T21:17:31.853" UserId="2380" />
  <row Id="20008" PostId="6310" Score="0" Text="Are you saying you think these &quot;tests&quot; exist already? If so, could you link to a source for that? I like the idea, but I've never heard of them before." CreationDate="2019-09-23T18:45:36.423" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="20009" PostId="6310" Score="4" Text="@DavidK https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/157121/what-are-review-tests-audits-and-how-do-they-work" CreationDate="2019-09-23T18:57:11.100" UserId="104790" />
  <row Id="20010" PostId="6310" Score="0" Text="Thanks @CraigMeier! That post says the review audits are only implemented on certain sites, and The Workplace isn't one of them. I certainly wouldn't be opposed to this, but I don't know if this would cause any extra work for our mods." CreationDate="2019-09-23T19:41:30.460" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="20011" PostId="6310" Score="0" Text="@CraigMeier thanks for the link :)" CreationDate="2019-09-23T19:54:39.167" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20012" PostId="6310" Score="1" Text="@DavidK I don't think this will cause more work for our mods, as I see it the Community itself is the one that &quot;creates&quot; those tests (by reaching a consensus on a review), which is then passed as a test. But, I may be wrong. Anyways, I also think that this would be the solution to &quot;reckless&quot; reviewing or at least to improve the review culture in TWP." CreationDate="2019-09-23T19:56:21.157" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20015" PostId="6311" Score="1" Text="This is certainly not the best place to say this dwizum, but your answers and comments always seem to be on-point." CreationDate="2019-09-25T14:05:56.217" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="20017" PostId="6311" Score="0" Text="Thanks @GregoryCurrie!" CreationDate="2019-09-26T15:28:08.580" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20023" PostId="6312" Score="1" Text="Is it possible to lower the rep threshold for reviewing on the stack without affecting others?  Or to lower the number of confirming votes?" CreationDate="2019-09-27T15:15:46.763" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="20024" PostId="6312" Score="0" Text="@WGroleau AFAIK that would normally need to be adjusted globally for stack exchange and be a question for meta.SE.  They've generally been trying to make site function more similar not less though so I suspect a workplace specific change isn't likely.  OTOH last month they ran an experiment on Stackoverflow with only 3 votes needed to close a question.  Results from it haven't been published yet.  https://meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/388313/experiment-ended-closing-and-reopening-happens-at-3-votes-for-the-next-30-day" CreationDate="2019-09-27T16:08:24.867" UserId="345" />
  <row Id="20018" PostId="6313" Score="0" Text="You are right, that question you linked is the one where the consensus was to not use code formatting (use quote blocks instead)... That what you see is the standard info on using the format style of SE network (how to use italics, code blocks, etc.). Are you asking if hinting how to use code formatting should not be done?" CreationDate="2019-09-26T22:17:24.130" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20019" PostId="6313" Score="0" Text="yes or would it be too much effort to exclude it for certain sides only?" CreationDate="2019-09-26T22:44:12.303" UserId="110201" />
  <row Id="20020" PostId="6313" Score="0" Text="I don't know about that but I suspect that anything that is customized style will present additional work and procedures to the devs and SE backend. But, precisely that is what this post will help find out :)" CreationDate="2019-09-26T23:03:08.410" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20021" PostId="6313" Score="8" Text="I'm pretty sure that help is the same on all sites.  I just saw it on Pets (!).  The language-designation stuff is especially egregious on non-programming sites.  I wonder if it can be changed on a per-site basis." CreationDate="2019-09-27T00:53:51.343" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20022" PostId="6313" Score="3" Text="@MonicaCellio Probably worth asking on Meta. I think there would be a lot of support from the non-programming sites, especially if the problems with code markup and screen-readers are explained." CreationDate="2019-09-27T15:09:54.650" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="20025" PostId="6314" Score="52" Text="I have a hard time picturing Monica as anything but constructive and patient. Is there a place where we can find out more about that &quot;wider issue&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-09-28T17:24:03.347" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="20026" PostId="6314" Score="10" Text="@nvoigt short of Monica choosing to air dirty laundry offsite I don't think we'll ever get a specific reason.  Broadly speaking it's probably related to everything that's happened on meta.SE over the last 6 to 18 months or so.  For anyone blissfully ignorant: there's been a lot of high profile disagreement between where stackechanges owners want to take the sites and what the portion of the community engaged in meta.se and a number of high rep users feel is right.  If that's still too vague, perhaps someone else will try to write up a more detailed history.  I've no interest in trying." CreationDate="2019-09-28T18:43:49.623" UserId="345" />
  <row Id="20027" PostId="6314" Score="7" Text="Monica's offline for the weekend, so it's highly unlikely we'll hear anything from her for a while yet, and there's very little anyone else is able to share about this. The easiest way to find out what happened here will be to wait for Monica to (hopefully) return and ask if she's willing to share details." CreationDate="2019-09-28T19:15:47.783" UserId="27355" />
  <row Id="20028" PostId="6314" Score="3" Text="Best wishes, Snow." CreationDate="2019-09-28T22:01:49.783" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20029" PostId="6314" Score="3" Text="@DanNeely: The long version is written up [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/331513/275243). It is quite thorough, but isn't about Monica in particular, so I'm not sure how helpful it will be." CreationDate="2019-09-29T02:22:11.117" UserId="30555" />
  <row Id="20030" PostId="6314" Score="29" Text="I've been away for the weekend, I was only just made aware of this. I too have tendered my resignation as moderator." CreationDate="2019-09-29T04:44:18.980" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="20031" PostId="6314" Score="2" Text="At current count , one moderator removed and six others resigning as a response. I guess there’s going to elections upcoming." CreationDate="2019-09-29T07:33:15.883" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20032" PostId="6314" Score="3" Text="lhmmmm... looks like you guys had a bit of a gang going. Personal commitments rather than site commitment? ... no offence, just an observation." CreationDate="2019-09-29T08:21:01.507" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20033" PostId="6314" Score="11" Text="@Kilisi Neither.  You'll need to read the linked Meta in Monica's answer that describes the situation." CreationDate="2019-09-29T08:56:04.947" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20035" PostId="6314" Score="2" Text="@Snow I avoid dirty laundry whenever possible.... I'm a simple old chap, just prefer to believe what I see" CreationDate="2019-09-29T09:07:09.067" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20036" PostId="6314" Score="8" Text="@Kevin - that Meta post is unrelated to the current situation involving Monica. I wrote it about an entirely different issue, which is separate from this." CreationDate="2019-09-29T09:23:39.787" UserId="53668" />
  <row Id="20039" PostId="6314" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi It seems more like an irreconcilable disagreement with the priorities and values implied by a decision (or decisions) taken by management." CreationDate="2019-09-29T15:30:07.977" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20048" PostId="6314" Score="3" Text="@JaneS - sorry to hear that, Jane." CreationDate="2019-09-29T23:39:17.690" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20063" PostId="6314" Score="21" Text="@Kilisi your comment's clearly show that you are just taking a cheap shot without taking the time to read about what happened." CreationDate="2019-09-30T13:27:27.347" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20074" PostId="6314" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive pretty much correct, have zero interest in what happened, always thought mods should be elected for terms instead of forever.... probably nice people but as with anything in life people go off the rails over time sometimes if there is no accountability. My loyalty is to the site not the mods, to me there are positives and negatives for the site, and being an optimist I'm focusing on the positives." CreationDate="2019-09-30T15:37:22.297" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20095" PostId="6314" Score="1" Text="@MisterPositive I just took time to read it. SO clearly state that they are not going to tell us why they did it. Monica claims they made vague implying statements that she opposed inclusion and respectful behavior. Given how she nonsensically keeps bringing up Jewish holidays, I think I know why she was kicked out. From reading her post, she does not come off as a person who should have moderator status in my opinion." CreationDate="2019-10-01T03:41:11.103" UserId="45282" />
  <row Id="20096" PostId="6314" Score="4" Text="@dan-klasson I did not get that impression at all.  She has so much content here though that I haven't read it all.  But it sounds like your implying her religious views are inserting themselves into this situation.  I haven't seen evidence of that as of yet." CreationDate="2019-10-01T03:47:56.677" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20097" PostId="6314" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive Well I got the impression it wasn't so much for the work she's done. But being biased towards certain beliefs due to political reasons. Whether that's justified or not I do not know. I'm just basing my opinion on her post." CreationDate="2019-10-01T03:50:51.410" UserId="45282" />
  <row Id="20098" PostId="6314" Score="0" Text="@dan-klasson fair enough." CreationDate="2019-10-01T03:51:20.740" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20103" PostId="6314" Score="0" Text="@Snow I saw you added to the main Meta list that there are no longer any active mods here - Did Lilienthal resign as well and I missed it?" CreationDate="2019-10-01T12:06:45.187" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="20104" PostId="6314" Score="2" Text="Lillienthal isn't nearly as active as the rest of the (prior) moderation team and can't really be termed as being active enough to carry the site." CreationDate="2019-10-01T12:08:39.560" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20124" PostId="6314" Score="2" Text="@Snow *I guess there’s going to elections upcoming.* I for one have absolutely no intention of running for moderator on any site unless Monica is restored too, for the same reason that you and the other moderators resigned, and I would encourage anyone else considering running to do the same. This whole thing is ridiculous and unfair." CreationDate="2019-10-01T14:08:24.097" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="20131" PostId="6314" Score="5" Text="@dan-klasson: I've not read through everything yet (and probably won't), but from what I have read it seems that the point of bringing up the Sabbath and holidays of her faith was to explain that she would be unavailable because a Sabbath and one of those holidays was about to happen and observing them required her to be offline for a time." CreationDate="2019-10-01T15:22:27.383" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="20133" PostId="6314" Score="0" Text="@GreenMatt I didn't know what the Sabbath was, I had to look it up. She could have easily just said she was busy or unavailable that weekend. But she brought it up 3 times if I remember correctly. To me that came off as weird. Then add to it what she thinks were the reasons. Either way. I'm sure there's a lot more to this story." CreationDate="2019-10-01T15:36:46.067" UserId="45282" />
  <row Id="20135" PostId="6314" Score="0" Text="@dan-klasson: Point taken. (Although Monica has said a fair amount about her side and SE is being disturbingly tight lipped.)" CreationDate="2019-10-01T15:45:57.070" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="20138" PostId="6314" Score="1" Text="@GreenMatt I agree that's strange that SE is doing that." CreationDate="2019-10-01T16:48:27.077" UserId="45282" />
  <row Id="20251" PostId="6314" Score="5" Text="@dan-klasson note that my post was on Mi Yodeya, the site about Judaism, so there's local context.  As an observant Jew I'm not online on Shabbat (Friday night through Saturday night) or holidays.  SE, knowing this, chose to fire me minutes before I would have to go offline, when I could not respond but would have to carry the upset into the festive day.  It'd be kind of like firing a mod on Christianity moments before Christmas (except Christians can still go online if they want to; they'd just be busy).  This does not sound like the inclusion, diversity, and respect they talk about." CreationDate="2019-10-04T03:02:26.437" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20260" PostId="6314" Score="2" Text="@MonicaCellio Ok then that makes perfect sense. My bad." CreationDate="2019-10-04T06:04:23.797" UserId="45282" />
  <row Id="20037" PostId="6315" Score="13" Text="Even *if* a moderator feels they cannot support a part of the rules (and as I get you, you never made a decision about that), the professional thing to do is to ask them to support them anyway or resign. Firing them preemptively is certainly a move that I cannot accurately describe without violating multiple parts of the current CoC." CreationDate="2019-09-29T09:44:48.090" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="20040" PostId="6315" Score="30" Text="@nvoigt one of the core rules given to moderators when dealing with users is that we don't suspend pre-emptively (aside from accounts created to evade suspensions and *rare* network-wide trolls); we suspend only when someone has done something wrong.  I never violated the Code of Conduct or any other rule.  They fired me because they think I might, without giving them a chance to demonstrate goodwill through my actions.  Meanwhile, people who *did* violate the (current) CoC by making personal attacks against me and others remain moderators." CreationDate="2019-09-29T16:13:55.260" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20042" PostId="6315" Score="6" Text="I have had the privilege of interacting with you on multiple sites as well as meeting you in person. The quality of your work, the volume of your work, and the level of your commitment have always astounded and inspired me. I find Snow and Jane's resignation in solidarity inspiring as well and just want to add that many of us normal users feel a similar way." CreationDate="2019-09-29T16:55:12.557" UserDisplayName="user85135" />
  <row Id="20045" PostId="6315" Score="5" Text="Monica, I'm so sorry that this is how the staff chose to deal with the issue. It's very upsetting to me for multiple reasons but mostly because it's so unjust. Whatever comes of all this, your work across the network did make a positive difference and was worthwhile even if it ends like this :(" CreationDate="2019-09-29T20:08:44.440" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="20047" PostId="6315" Score="3" Text="Sorry to hear this, Monica." CreationDate="2019-09-29T23:38:34.287" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20049" PostId="6315" Score="2" Text="I go away for a long weekend, and find this! Anyone who has been on an SE site with you as a mod for at least six months and has two neurons that rub together would know you are an asset to any site, otherwise why else were you asked to [moderate on Meta only 9 months](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/318630/please-join-us-in-welcoming-our-new-meta-stack-exchange-moderators) ago? I'm presuming the team, in their infinite wisdom, had done some background checking before appointing you." CreationDate="2019-09-30T04:58:40.933" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="20050" PostId="6315" Score="7" Text="I am shocked by the stripping of your title, but not surprised by how SE handled this whole business. Is anyone? I'm trying to understand what exactly triggered this appalling response, but am unable to glean any. I am very sorry to see the hurt and humiliation  you have suffered in private and in public, it must be extremely stressful and the feeling of betrayal simply awful. But you will overcome this debacle, and you will be  a stronger and better person.  You have all my support!" CreationDate="2019-09-30T05:02:01.007" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="20064" PostId="6315" Score="4" Text="I am sorry and shocked that this happened to you @MonicaCellio." CreationDate="2019-09-30T13:52:30.600" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20077" PostId="6315" Score="2" Text="I can't believe what I'm reading, nor the whole mod resignation/firing across the network." CreationDate="2019-09-30T18:16:12.517" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20132" PostId="6315" Score="2" Text="I've reduced my participation on SE sites over the years, partly for personal reasons, partly because some sites are downright unwelcoming (and even worse), and partly because SE seems to losing its way. Fortunately, the Workplace has always been one of the welcoming ones and I think you're a big part of that. Sorry to see you go and I wish you well, @MonicaCellio, although I understand why you are doing what you're doing." CreationDate="2019-10-01T15:28:54.873" UserId="2317" />
  <row Id="20242" PostId="6315" Score="0" Text="@Mari-LouA no kidding.  First thing I noticed about Monica is being relatively uncorrupted by the moderator Stanford Prison Experiment they call ips.se... Revealing a person of character.   And only hearing Monica's side of the Teachers Lounge discussion, it still sounds like mgmt should have given Monica plenty of latitude to explore methods of dealing with alternative pronouns appropriately.  Monica seems well equipped to do that exploration." CreationDate="2019-10-03T22:44:11.503" UserId="66099" />
  <row Id="20245" PostId="6315" Score="3" Text="Monica I've been around enough to know what your situation smells like.  Somehow inadvertently your persuasive talk bent the nose of someone with a lot of power, and that person flexed their power, essentially, as a riposte to not feel like not losing the argument.  It is cheap, lousy, and corrupt. Of all the people to do that to, you were a very poor choice- as I said, I would have given you broad latitude to explore your pronoun POV. And I would be genuinely surprised if it ever hurt anyone's feelings (who wasn't in management lol)." CreationDate="2019-10-03T23:07:37.340" UserId="66099" />
  <row Id="20246" PostId="6315" Score="2" Text="Ran out of chars... But thank you for all you have done for SE.  You were always a voice of reason and dare I say it, moderation." CreationDate="2019-10-03T23:12:04.747" UserId="66099" />
  <row Id="20038" PostId="6316" Score="31" Text="I completely get you. These are sad times indeed" CreationDate="2019-09-29T11:47:27.653" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20041" PostId="6316" Score="23" Text="Thank you for all you have contributed to this site.  It was an honor and a pleasure to work with you." CreationDate="2019-09-29T16:42:10.063" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20044" PostId="6316" Score="21" Text="What a sad day." CreationDate="2019-09-29T19:08:08.107" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20046" PostId="6316" Score="24" Text="I'm disappointed and upset that we got here. But the right thing is the right thing, and this is the right thing in light of the recent chain of events." CreationDate="2019-09-29T21:17:03.300" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="20069" PostId="6316" Score="12" Text="I am entirely disappointed with the whole SE network.  Disgusted..." CreationDate="2019-09-30T14:55:01.490" UserId="26825" />
  <row Id="20110" PostId="6316" Score="1" Text="Thank you for your work Jane. I didn't always agree with you but I've never found you to be unfair, which is all I can ask from a mod. Best of luck in the future." CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:02:46.723" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="20148" PostId="6316" Score="8" Text="@juanm any particular reason for the removal of the featured tag?" CreationDate="2019-10-01T21:51:43.103" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="20212" PostId="6316" Score="1" Text="@motosubatsu I believe it's because snow put featured on, but snow had already resigned.  Another mod will need to put the featured tag back on who isn't an employee or already resigned." CreationDate="2019-10-02T14:35:46.220" UserId="88129" />
  <row Id="20280" PostId="6316" Score="2" Text="This didn't age well" CreationDate="2019-10-04T21:00:56.747" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="20326" PostId="6316" Score="7" Text="@Richard I haven't seen any indication of a change of policy or approach from SE, so I am remaining resigned at this stage. I respect the decision of Snow and Mister Positive to return, but for now, my resignation stands." CreationDate="2019-10-06T23:19:50.053" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="20329" PostId="6316" Score="0" Text="@JaneS - Based on the fawning response to SE's latest attempt to stamp out the fire, I suspect that Snow and Mister Positive won't be the only mods who announce that they're wanting back into the tent." CreationDate="2019-10-06T23:31:04.853" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="20051" PostId="6318" Score="8" Text="And let's hope there are no others to follow! Though I am of course supportive of those that decide to do so." CreationDate="2019-09-30T08:51:06.743" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="20078" PostId="6318" Score="7" Text="What I really hope is that this whole situation is sorted out and that SE *strongly* reconsiders the steps they have been taking lately unless they want to ruin this Network." CreationDate="2019-09-30T18:43:07.037" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20084" PostId="6318" Score="11" Text="@DarkCygnus I fear that is already too late. Trust takes years to build and seconds to break." CreationDate="2019-09-30T23:14:08.403" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="20088" PostId="6318" Score="2" Text="Yes, thanks for the time and effort.... good luck with your journeys" CreationDate="2019-10-01T01:52:15.793" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20136" PostId="6318" Score="3" Text="@JaneS _&quot;Trust takes years to build and seconds to break&quot;_ - how true! Though I just recently joined I want to thank you, Snow, Monica for all the hard work you put in over the years and wish that you'll now have plenty of delightful moments, interactions and joy during the times which are now not anymore occupied by moderating. A big shout out to all of you!" CreationDate="2019-10-01T15:59:43.173" UserId="105392" />
  <row Id="20228" PostId="6318" Score="4" Text="I took the liberty to edit to add Mister Positive to the &quot;people we will miss&quot; list" CreationDate="2019-10-03T07:49:20.673" UserId="80851" />
  <row Id="20229" PostId="6318" Score="1" Text="@LP154 Thanks - I was a little remiss in not doing that myself" CreationDate="2019-10-03T07:50:38.040" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="20233" PostId="6318" Score="4" Text="Thank you.  Re your last sentence and speaking only for myself: if they don't right this wrong, I'm done here.  We all have our limits to the amount of bullying, lying, and personal attacks we can endure, and I've reached mine.  It was good while it lasted.  Best wishes to The Workplace." CreationDate="2019-10-03T14:38:17.160" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20053" PostId="6319" Score="1" Text="Do you have specific examples so we can understand what you mean?" CreationDate="2019-09-30T10:00:18.627" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="20055" PostId="6319" Score="6" Text="[This question about &quot;bad workers&quot;](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/23165/what-can-i-do-to-make-a-coworkers-lack-of-effort-more-visible) was received extremely well and probably serves as a good counter-example to what you believe." CreationDate="2019-09-30T10:31:08.130" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="20057" PostId="6319" Score="0" Text="Thanks @NotThatGuy, but that answer contains some terrible advice: &quot;Yes, in the short term you need to get projects out the door, but in the longer term everyone needs to be fully capable of doing their jobs. &quot;, in my experience the &quot;differently efficient&quot; worker is promoted, and those who helped the project catch up become indispensable at their current level." CreationDate="2019-09-30T11:24:38.507" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="20058" PostId="6319" Score="2" Text="@Monoandale NotThatGuy was not advocating an answer, but pointing out a question that acts as a counter example." CreationDate="2019-09-30T11:42:55.987" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="20059" PostId="6319" Score="5" Text="Do you feel the taboo is discussing bad performers at all or people agreeing with your point of view and giving advice you like? The post linked above is an example of the former. The latter is not a taboo, but rather just differing opinions, and the prevalence of any given opinion should speak for itself. If very few people share my opinion, that might lead me to question said opinion." CreationDate="2019-09-30T11:52:06.580" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="20054" PostId="6320" Score="2" Text="More generally, posts are often received negatively due to the preconceptions, assumptions, biases, attitudes or tones of the askers more than a fundamental disapproval of the topics they're asking about." CreationDate="2019-09-30T10:29:02.050" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="20056" PostId="6320" Score="2" Text="Possibly relevant: [What is the “meta effect”?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/235225/what-is-the-meta-effect) [&quot;It is the effect of mentioning a post from another site on a meta-site. This draws more attention to the post you link from the meta-site's audience, resulting in more views than you'd get from the host site's audience alone, and often more votes. Whether those votes are up or down will depend on the quality of the post&quot;]" CreationDate="2019-09-30T10:45:50.723" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="20061" PostId="6321" Score="1" Text="&quot; it's human nature that the majority would stick up for their fellow workers.&quot; this is the part that puzzles me: if you are a worker, a doer, and you work hard every day, how can you stick up for somebody whose treatment and responsibilities are close to yours, but who doesn't provide your same amount of skill and effort? I would understand &quot;managers are not that bad, they have different responsibilities and live in a different world&quot;, but workers vs. workers?" CreationDate="2019-09-30T13:15:47.717" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="20062" PostId="6321" Score="1" Text="@Monoandale, it's very hard to judge a fellow worker because, by definition he has a different task to do, and we are not his boss, we are not the one to judge him." CreationDate="2019-09-30T13:20:15.240" UserId="59602" />
  <row Id="20065" PostId="6321" Score="4" Text="@Monoandale It's not always so easy to judge effort and skill, because you can be blinded by what you think these things should look like, what's important to you and what you're skilful at. But ultimately someone who's more skilful and puts in more effort should be able to rise above others over time without needing to get rid of them (although this may be easier in some companies than others)." CreationDate="2019-09-30T13:59:39.523" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="20067" PostId="6321" Score="0" Text="This doesn't make sense. If everybody is different and nothing can be measured, then expertise does not exist!" CreationDate="2019-09-30T14:15:30.933" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="20075" PostId="6321" Score="0" Text="&quot;most things do not lend themselves to simple metrics.&quot;,  sorry, but this concept is as political as it can get." CreationDate="2019-09-30T17:20:53.120" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="20076" PostId="6321" Score="4" Text="@Monoandale - political? Whatever." CreationDate="2019-09-30T18:12:57.933" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20099" PostId="6321" Score="3" Text="I stand fully behind this answer. It doesn't matter what were your original intentions, how you come across and how people feel about what you said is as important as the content. As the old saying about the road to hell goes..." CreationDate="2019-10-01T08:14:16.640" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="20085" PostId="6322" Score="0" Text="Thanks, @MisterPositive. If there is a change in the path forward, then I would reconsider handing in my diamond and likely departing from all Stacks. But I don't believe that will happen." CreationDate="2019-09-30T23:29:45.007" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="20070" PostId="6323" Score="1" Text="Can you put a comma in that last sentence and make it rhyme with the one above it please?" CreationDate="2019-09-30T15:19:50.573" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20071" PostId="6323" Score="0" Text="@Snow Comma added....rhyme not so much." CreationDate="2019-09-30T15:20:43.617" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20072" PostId="6323" Score="8" Text="Fixed that for you..." CreationDate="2019-09-30T15:21:38.450" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20284" PostId="6323" Score="0" Text="@Snow Now that is some excellent moderator action!" CreationDate="2019-10-05T08:53:19.663" UserId="17223" />
  <row Id="20079" PostId="6324" Score="4" Text="I am also joining and &quot;retiring in restricted mode&quot; until this situation is sorted out." CreationDate="2019-09-30T18:43:54.750" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20082" PostId="6324" Score="2" Text="Your post tried to organize a strike? Were you surprised that it was deleted?" CreationDate="2019-09-30T22:33:39.247" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20083" PostId="6324" Score="6" Text="@JoeStrazzere No, not entirely, and I can understand the reason behind removing it. I'm not taking a break because the post was deleted - the deleted post explains why I'm taking a break." CreationDate="2019-09-30T22:38:17.597" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="20086" PostId="6324" Score="1" Text="aww man, I usually like your answers... come join me sipping whiskey in the shade for a while" CreationDate="2019-10-01T01:48:22.500" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20102" PostId="6324" Score="2" Text="Thanks @Kilisi, that means a lot coming from you! And believe me, I've got plenty of whiskey stocked up at home :)" CreationDate="2019-10-01T12:03:36.317" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="20087" PostId="6325" Score="4" Text="17.9 k is a lot of rep.... enjoy your break" CreationDate="2019-10-01T01:49:42.050" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20100" PostId="6325" Score="1" Text="Awwwww :( I like your answers a lot... I was 3 days away and still trying to understand the whole chain of events" CreationDate="2019-10-01T10:22:10.983" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="20101" PostId="6325" Score="1" Text="Thank you @JulianaKarasawaSouza That means a lot to me." CreationDate="2019-10-01T10:49:31.827" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="20146" PostId="6325" Score="2" Text="You still matter, Sir" CreationDate="2019-10-01T20:19:00.477" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20123" PostId="6327" Score="3" Text="the only reason I didn't do that a couple of years ago, when this change started, is that I realised I can't fix broken machines without touching them... nowadays, I start wondering if some machines are even worth fixing." CreationDate="2019-10-01T14:07:53.443" UserDisplayName="user97792" />
  <row Id="20130" PostId="6327" Score="0" Text="@vaxquis A normal person would often shop for another machine." CreationDate="2019-10-01T15:17:32.057" UserId="81531" />
  <row Id="20134" PostId="6327" Score="3" Text="@iBug I was one of the insane guys saying &quot;if it's possible I can fix it, why should I throw it away?&quot; ... it worked for some home appliances, in worked for some interpersonal relations, but, in hindsight, I realise that's often not the best choice, in terms of effort-to-result ratio. Sometimes giving up is what takes the most effort." CreationDate="2019-10-01T15:43:38.467" UserDisplayName="user97792" />
  <row Id="20143" PostId="6331" Score="9" Text="Best of luck, you're a good chap" CreationDate="2019-10-01T18:46:08.137" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20154" PostId="6331" Score="11" Text="Thank you for your support and for all you have done for The Workplace." CreationDate="2019-10-01T23:57:15.320" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20207" PostId="6331" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi Thank you sir.  Keep the lights on in here please.  ;-}" CreationDate="2019-10-02T12:33:07.590" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20236" PostId="6331" Score="1" Text="I'm sorry to hear about this and the recent problems that have caused many other moderators to resign. I wish you well and I hope SE can sort out their issues." CreationDate="2019-10-03T15:02:03.477" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="20286" PostId="6331" Score="1" Text="Management at Stack Exchange is severely broken. All of the sites problems start at the top and trickle down. There will be no meaningful change until we get rid of management." CreationDate="2019-10-05T09:57:55.123" UserDisplayName="user25792" />
  <row Id="20816" PostId="6331" Score="0" Text="You've stepped down, SE has made promises, and Monica's situation is still unresolved. Why did you ask for reinstatement, if you felt this way? Nothing **still** hasn't be done." CreationDate="2019-12-05T17:35:43.520" UserId="56109" />
  <row Id="20819" PostId="6331" Score="0" Text="@FrankerZ Because I changed my mind.  Stepping down did not move the ball in any direction either.  Also, as now its a legal matter, it could be months or even a year before any resolution is made." CreationDate="2019-12-05T18:59:19.470" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20126" PostId="6333" Score="2" Text="Possible update to your citation: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-and-forced-relicensing-is-stack-exchange-still-interested-in-cooper?noredirect=1#comment1091412_333965" CreationDate="2019-10-01T14:23:09.233" UserDisplayName="user86404" />
  <row Id="20243" PostId="6333" Score="2" Text="ob-[KnowYourMeme](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/mods-are-asleep?full=1)" CreationDate="2019-10-03T22:50:37.190" UserId="66099" />
  <row Id="20272" PostId="6333" Score="5" Text="You might not have to wait long. It would appear that two of the site's moderators are asking very politely for their diamonds back.; https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/51967323#51967323 + https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/51973327#51973327" CreationDate="2019-10-04T17:14:51.777" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="20278" PostId="6333" Score="1" Text="@Richard check my answer. They have been reinstated" CreationDate="2019-10-04T20:32:46.290" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20279" PostId="6333" Score="4" Text="@DarkCygnus - More u-turns than an episode of Top Gear" CreationDate="2019-10-04T21:00:08.360" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="20290" PostId="6333" Score="0" Text="@alephzero I've even wondered if SE managers are monkeys. Even monkeys know to please the keeper in orger to get bananas!" CreationDate="2019-10-05T11:07:42.957" UserId="81531" />
  <row Id="20105" PostId="6334" Score="5" Text="As far as I know, even if we hold an election *immediately*, new moderators won't be in place until 14 days later. This isn't a short time honestly, as the need for content curation work accumulates and flags stack up. Given the traffic and activity of The Workplace, it's likely things may go out of (community) control during this period. That's what I'm worried about." CreationDate="2019-10-01T12:50:19.583" UserId="81531" />
  <row Id="20106" PostId="6334" Score="0" Text="@iBug - how about if everyone agrees to play nice until new moderators arrive? I suppose SE could import new moderators from elsewhere if they prefer." CreationDate="2019-10-01T12:51:09.993" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20107" PostId="6334" Score="0" Text="Sure we all can agree to play nice. But what if someone decides to make a mess and jumps out? It may be particularly more possible among new users." CreationDate="2019-10-01T12:52:38.610" UserId="81531" />
  <row Id="20108" PostId="6334" Score="5" Text="Only SE can hold elections. As for your remaining moderator, rumor on the meta post on über-meta has it they're inactive. There might be elections soon, but we're talking at least 4-6 weeks before you'll get mods. In that time, a lot of damage can be done" CreationDate="2019-10-01T12:53:09.443" UserDisplayName="user86404" />
  <row Id="20111" PostId="6334" Score="5" Text="@iBug or old users with an axe to grind.  There has been a good deal amount of bad blood built up over the last year.  But this is SE's problem.  I won't do any damage, but I'm not helping either." CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:03:43.433" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20112" PostId="6334" Score="17" Text="We have no more mods, and given what's happened, who would run for that position again?  I certainly wouldn't" CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:10:30.290" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20115" PostId="6334" Score="2" Text="@RichardU - we do have one. And I'm quite sure that the forum is large enough that some would run, even if you and some others wouldn't." CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:14:21.250" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20117" PostId="6334" Score="3" Text="A deleted comment on the big MSE post said that the last mod is *inactive*. While I'm not particularly confident about that, it's worth taking into account." CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:19:36.853" UserId="81531" />
  <row Id="20118" PostId="6334" Score="0" Text="@iBug - (shrug) The last remaining moderator's profile indicates that he was &quot;Last seen yesterday&quot;, FWIW. Regardless, SE probably needs to step in and do something soon." CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:21:19.583" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20120" PostId="6334" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere and they should step in soon.  They made the mess." CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:24:10.273" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20125" PostId="6334" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere [We've asked, no reply](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/333971/332043). Your entire plan assumes SE takes action soon, and in case you haven't noticed - they won't. They've said on MSO they're 4 people to deal with thousands of requests. They have a lot on their plate atm." CreationDate="2019-10-01T14:17:51.237" UserDisplayName="user86404" />
  <row Id="20127" PostId="6334" Score="5" Text="@Zoe - I have assumed nothing, and my only plan was to try to answer the question at hand. Things will eventually sort themselves out, I'm sure. No need for panic. Whatever will be, will be. If The Workplace needs to run virtually unmoderated for a while, then it will. You only asked *yesterday*. Stay calm and carry on." CreationDate="2019-10-01T14:28:20.693" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20140" PostId="6334" Score="2" Text="Yeah, there is no need for concern, early days yet." CreationDate="2019-10-01T18:15:14.767" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20141" PostId="6334" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi - I'm concerned. But I don't see that panic can be helpful in any way. So we wait, since there's really nothing else to be done. I understand the angst, and will miss Monica's and the other former-moderators' help. We'll see what happens next. Eventually we'll have moderators." CreationDate="2019-10-01T18:18:40.773" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20109" PostId="6335" Score="9" Text="I guess policing our own comments and keeping the review queues empty became more important now then it was before." CreationDate="2019-10-01T12:56:35.793" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="20113" PostId="6335" Score="0" Text="Hello Snow, thank you for all your help to The Workplace in these years. As you're probably aware, during this vacancy of moderation activity, the site is vulnerable to even the slightest disturbance (e.g. someone is flagged for problematic behavior). Reading your answer, I imply that there's no good solution for now (or until active mods are appointed in an emergency), is it consistent with your thoughts?" CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:10:48.807" UserId="81531" />
  <row Id="20114" PostId="6335" Score="3" Text="It's rare that we get users attempt to deface things enough for an immediate response.  If that happens, using the &quot;Contact Us&quot; link at the bottom of the page will send an email to all CMs.  Hopefully within a few days, things will have settled a bit." CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:13:18.477" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20121" PostId="6335" Score="26" Text="Glad to see you rising above it with this thoughtful answer rather than trying to be vindictive. Thank you for that!" CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:25:30.120" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20129" PostId="6335" Score="5" Text="The CM team has indicated awareness of me raising this gap in coverage.  I have no idea what the outcome will be, since I no longer wear a diamond." CreationDate="2019-10-01T15:10:58.530" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20147" PostId="6335" Score="0" Text="I bet Staff have to fill in. Either that or they'll ask for volunteers to be appointed" CreationDate="2019-10-01T21:25:14.700" UserId="71403" />
  <row Id="20234" PostId="6335" Score="0" Text="@Snow I'd be more worried about spammers, to be honest." CreationDate="2019-10-03T14:47:30.663" UserId="86908" />
  <row Id="20235" PostId="6335" Score="0" Text="@nick012000 The bots are very effective in picking these up.  But do keep flagging them as they appear." CreationDate="2019-10-03T14:55:13.660" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20358" PostId="6335" Score="1" Text="Any answers from the CM team yet?" CreationDate="2019-10-08T15:47:34.697" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="20359" PostId="6335" Score="0" Text="@Myles about what?" CreationDate="2019-10-08T15:55:01.523" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20116" PostId="6336" Score="0" Text="I've always assumed the assignment of responsibility is laid out as &quot;SE for the platform, we the community for the content&quot;. Does your answer suggest that the platform has been messed up for us to keep curating the content?" CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:16:08.353" UserId="81531" />
  <row Id="20119" PostId="6336" Score="22" Text="@iBug SE has pulled a bunch of recent changes which culminated in the resignation of **ALL** of our active moderators.  If we step in to take up the slack, how will that get them to change their behavior towards the volunteer moderators who have put in so much work?" CreationDate="2019-10-01T13:23:08.053" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20145" PostId="6336" Score="1" Text="@iBug Moderators moderate content and are managed by SE / SO. SO also sets the rules for content. While high-rep users can also gain some of the privileges (/ responsibilities) moderators have, how they're supposed to use these is very much dictated by SO. So SO is very much managing the content on a high level as well (and sometimes on a low level too)." CreationDate="2019-10-01T19:51:38.127" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20244" PostId="6336" Score="2" Text="@iBug the reasons for the mass moderator departure SE-wide have nothing to do with this stack, and are actually pretty big.   They fired a very good mod for privately, among mods, expressing concern with a future conduct policy, and &quot;expressing concern&quot; is overstating the matter.  It seemed obvious to me that this enraged some manager/owner." CreationDate="2019-10-03T22:57:10.197" UserId="66099" />
  <row Id="20249" PostId="6336" Score="0" Text="*We're a non-not-for-profit site. How should we keep our affairs in order?*" CreationDate="2019-10-03T23:57:10.757" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="20253" PostId="6336" Score="0" Text="You think moderators having a financial loyalty to SE is a good thing? Them being paid? Imagine if all mods were in deep with the corp,,," CreationDate="2019-10-04T05:35:49.780" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="20265" PostId="6336" Score="3" Text="@WeckarE. You want them to work for free for a company that's profiting off of them?" CreationDate="2019-10-04T10:18:34.180" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20266" PostId="6336" Score="1" Text="@RichardU If that means they can maintain their independence otherwise? yes." CreationDate="2019-10-04T10:24:46.173" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="20267" PostId="6336" Score="3" Text="@WeckarE. I think recent events demonstrate that that particular ship has sailed" CreationDate="2019-10-04T10:26:54.117" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20268" PostId="6336" Score="1" Text="Nobody is being forced to moderate, that too has become clear." CreationDate="2019-10-04T10:46:53.517" UserId="50417" />
  <row Id="20269" PostId="6336" Score="2" Text="@WeckarE.true enough.  Moderation anywhere is a thankless job" CreationDate="2019-10-04T10:51:00.883" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20190" PostId="6341" Score="11" Text="Kilisi just being Kilisi ! As I am not a mod and just a little contributor, I totally agree" CreationDate="2019-10-02T08:45:04.270" UserId="80851" />
  <row Id="20217" PostId="6341" Score="1" Text="Straight to the point! I like this style of answers." CreationDate="2019-10-02T17:10:13.473" UserId="81531" />
  <row Id="20223" PostId="6341" Score="6" Text="Cheers, mate!  Feeling okay?  You're running on a bit ;)" CreationDate="2019-10-02T20:22:28.887" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20224" PostId="6341" Score="10" Text="@RichardU ahaha... yeah, I wax waxing lyrical, could probably have cut that answer in half. Either half is a good answer." CreationDate="2019-10-02T20:25:42.777" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20230" PostId="6341" Score="6" Text="This answer probably works for 50% of the questions on this site :D" CreationDate="2019-10-03T11:10:10.880" UserId="94666" />
  <row Id="20153" PostId="6344" Score="4" Text="Thank you. Just waiting for my diamond to dissolve, and while that is confronting, I still feel like I have made the right decision here." CreationDate="2019-10-01T23:14:57.293" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="20142" PostId="6345" Score="5" Text="Yup. Everyone could choose to leave SO if they desire. Or just lurk and not contribute." CreationDate="2019-10-01T18:23:07.323" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20161" PostId="6349" Score="1" Text="Regarding the &quot;proof in the pudding&quot; comment, are you able to elaborate on what is proved? That Monica was right to be demoted? How does the actions of the other mods prove that?" CreationDate="2019-10-02T02:06:02.563" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="20162" PostId="6349" Score="1" Text="It's not Monicas site... if they want to boot her they can without any explanation.... so yes SE is fully entitled and able to do so. But I don't care about Monica.... the 'proof' is that the rest immediately followed her making it clear that it's because of her, which makes their personal affiliations stronger than their site loyalty. To be honest if I was SE I'd have gotten rid of her the last time she got dramatic and started involving everyone else in her stuff." CreationDate="2019-10-02T02:09:48.413" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20164" PostId="6349" Score="1" Text="I never doubted they can demote her. I was talking about what is &quot;right&quot;. Of course they can do whatever they want. No dispute about that. But the sites users also have agency. Each decision by each mod was their own. I don't think it's fair to clump them all together. In any case, they are all human. Some people act in one way, others will go off the rails and get banned for a time." CreationDate="2019-10-02T02:16:10.943" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="20165" PostId="6349" Score="12" Text="@Kilisi I wonder what &quot;their interests&quot; do you have in mind. How resigning from a volunteer's position can be for somebody's interests?" CreationDate="2019-10-02T02:17:30.260" UserId="106316" />
  <row Id="20167" PostId="6349" Score="9" Text="@Kilisi The same way SE is fully entitled to fire Monica (I don't think anyone says otherwise), mods are fully entitled to resign their posts. The mods have a cross-site community, and of theirs was (allegedly) wrongly terminated. If a work colleague of yours that you like a lot was fired for something you believe was unjust, arbitrary and capricious, would you stand around and do nothing? Maybe, but would blame others for taking a stand? Also I don't see how this is in the mod's interest. They aren't gaining anything here." CreationDate="2019-10-02T02:17:40.227" UserId="25347" />
  <row Id="20169" PostId="6349" Score="3" Text="Actually, we heard very little from the people resigning other than their disagreement about how the demotion was handled. That's a perfectly valid complaint. But there remains the &quot;mysterious&quot; new guidelines that supposedly started this mess. What was the problem with these? Why aren't these released?" CreationDate="2019-10-02T02:22:57.850" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="20171" PostId="6349" Score="19" Text="On the contrary, with no other active mods, I am continuing to action the mod queue until my resignation is enacted. I know the other resigning mods did the same right until their diamond was removed. My last actions as mod are to keep the place ready to the best of my ability for those who follow." CreationDate="2019-10-02T02:26:35.497" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="20174" PostId="6349" Score="0" Text="@DavidGrinberg yes, I'd just stand by, I got a family to feed.... not trying to be an activist at work,... I just work..... but this isn't even close to that situation. Been a long time since I was a worker though. As a boss I'd quite happily shaft a whole team and start from scratch if they tried this sort of caper." CreationDate="2019-10-02T02:36:32.587" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20175" PostId="6349" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie It's not a lot of point talking to me about 'right' and wrong.... it's not what the majority of us are here for. We're not here to save the whales or legalise pot. We can all vote with our feet, but lets be real about the reasons is what I'm saying." CreationDate="2019-10-02T02:38:30.363" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20180" PostId="6349" Score="5" Text="@Kilisi I think sites like these only work because people like the mods step up to the plate to assist. And yeah, spend time from other things in their life like family etc. I would like to hope that even if it was the most unpopular mod, people would be reacting the same, because what happened matters more than who it happened to (in my opinion)." CreationDate="2019-10-02T03:46:48.733" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="20187" PostId="6349" Score="0" Text="well, we don't have to agree. But someone could have held their ground and be remembered for it, or left with the herd and just be remembered as 'one of Monicas lot'.... 'who?' It's a test of character, precisely because no one really knows anyone, that's what people have to judge on." CreationDate="2019-10-02T06:17:35.813" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20225" PostId="6349" Score="3" Text="`Not one mod stepped up to the plate to help TWP by remaining for at least a bit longer... So while I'm sure they all have reasons, there's no point pretending it's in anyone's interests but theirs.` This is ironic statement considering in your [retirement announcement](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6062/time-to-retire-take-care) (now void because... you're back...) you said, `life's too short to let myself worry about petty inconsequentials and people on the internet.`" CreationDate="2019-10-02T22:21:16.587" UserDisplayName="user82352" />
  <row Id="20226" PostId="6349" Score="0" Text="@KingDuken I'm not a mod mate, no one voted me a diamond, so no responsibilities.....and I'm not worried, just making an observation, this whole thing will sort itself out easily. Mods put themselves forwards, we voted for them in the expectation that they would work in our best interests, not throw in the towel on us en masse in an attempt to punish SE for something that has zilch to do with us." CreationDate="2019-10-02T22:32:05.997" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20252" PostId="6349" Score="2" Text="[_a mod overstepped their boundaries_](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6349/heard-a-lot-from-mods-on-their-way-out/6350#comment20184_6349) The mod in question denies this, and her understanding of the situation is supported by the overwhelming number of mods who have actually seen the transcripts in question (AFAICT only one dissenting voice, and not very strongly at that). Given that SE has a recent history of making decisions while ignoring the community (users _and_ mods), and considering that the community (again, both users and mods) provides the content on which ..." CreationDate="2019-10-04T05:34:59.230" UserId="90578" />
  <row Id="20255" PostId="6349" Score="1" Text="... the whole money-making machine is built, it is certainly to the community's benefit that SE be forced into accountability to the community. For example, the recent licensing changes, or the proposed new CoC -- these should not be imposed unilaterally on the community without _some_ community input." CreationDate="2019-10-04T05:44:11.830" UserId="90578" />
  <row Id="20258" PostId="6349" Score="0" Text="@ZevSpitz so you see this as an attempt to force SE? Pretty much what I said. Thats the salient point, the rest is just ...... blah blah who cares..... Monica hasn't lost anything except an audience... she wasn't on the payroll... and even then she can still eke out a bit more drama for a while with a wider audience." CreationDate="2019-10-04T06:02:09.690" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20259" PostId="6349" Score="0" Text="@ZevSpitz you don't have to write any posts at all... seems simple to me. Feel free to refrain from commenting as well if you want" CreationDate="2019-10-04T06:04:11.643" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20261" PostId="6349" Score="1" Text="_the rest is just ...... blah blah who cares....._ On the contrary, &quot;the people who voted them in to start with&quot; should definitely care. If SE turns around and changes the license on my content again (content that I've contributed as a regular non-mod user) without my permission, and that content is then copied and misused, I care. If every post I write has to be with an eye over my shoulder for the next draconian PC guideline, I care. _That's_ what these mods are fighting for." CreationDate="2019-10-04T06:08:04.323" UserId="90578" />
  <row Id="20262" PostId="6349" Score="0" Text="@ZevSpitz rubbish, they're not fighting for anything... they quit. Made it clear they quit because Monica got quite rightfully given the boot. The rest is just... blah blah etc,." CreationDate="2019-10-04T06:12:58.840" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20263" PostId="6349" Score="0" Text="[Thanks, Snow](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/51967323#51967323)." CreationDate="2019-10-04T08:38:40.100" UserId="81531" />
  <row Id="20205" PostId="6350" Score="0" Text="I can attest to the alienation of users...." CreationDate="2019-10-02T12:28:34.293" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20208" PostId="6350" Score="4" Text="@Kilisi no, it's a lot more than SE has been for years focusing on profitability and market viability, while saying they care about the community and value users/moderators. But their actions are inconsistent with this, and so when you see someone as well respected and loved as Monica (who for many moderators on SE has been a friend/colleague/mentor for _years_) get thrown under the bus so quickly, You know as well as I do how exemplary Monica is in how she treats others, which makes this all the worse." CreationDate="2019-10-02T12:40:48.230" UserId="2322" />
  <row Id="20209" PostId="6350" Score="0" Text="I know no such thing about her.... I'm not a mod.... but best of luck to all of you" CreationDate="2019-10-02T12:43:16.670" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20221" PostId="6351" Score="1" Text="I'm a professional troubleshooter, there is always constructive action that can be taken even if the server room is on fire. At the very least one can minimise impact and give warnings and if possible buy time. If the reaction is kneejerk, then you're a puppet on a string. A whole bunch of kneejerks at once doesn't make a difference, just means all the puppets were attached to one string." CreationDate="2019-10-02T20:14:28.450" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20237" PostId="6351" Score="2" Text="Years ago I was the victim of gender discrimination, and fighting that fight is usually not a fight that can be won, so found another job and left instead.  I will always be in awe of my two male co-workers who also found different jobs, and left.  Standing up with someone against a wrong is courage." CreationDate="2019-10-03T15:09:07.107" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="20250" PostId="6351" Score="0" Text="@thursdaysgeek were they family men?" CreationDate="2019-10-04T00:09:12.070" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20271" PostId="6351" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi I'm not sure how it matters, but yes, both were married and perhaps had kids." CreationDate="2019-10-04T14:58:38.603" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="20276" PostId="6351" Score="1" Text="@thursdaysgeek I wouldn't let my kids suffer for a single day for anyone else however worthy the cause. But I just reread your comment, and they got other jobs first, so good for them." CreationDate="2019-10-04T19:46:01.100" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20231" PostId="6352" Score="4" Text="Thanks Joe, that's very much appreciated.  I think we're all waiting to see what the official response is and to what extent they'll value the work we put into the sites." CreationDate="2019-10-03T12:17:56.050" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20238" PostId="6353" Score="2" Text="Yes, we have lots of close votes. They don't appear to have anything at all to do with the categories or guidelines. IMHO, it's just some folks who like to rush to close questions." CreationDate="2019-10-03T17:48:57.337" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20240" PostId="6353" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere i've always found it strange that there seem to be so many more VTCs here than on other SE sites. I don't know if there is any hard data to back that up though - it could just be a false-perception on my part." CreationDate="2019-10-03T18:33:20.780" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="20241" PostId="6353" Score="2" Text="There do seem to be too many VTCs here, IMHO. I don't frequent other SE sites enough to know if it is common across the SE platform or unique to us." CreationDate="2019-10-03T18:42:16.193" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20264" PostId="6354" Score="1" Text="Pending. This is pending.  I have no idea whether SE or this community will have me back or not." CreationDate="2019-10-04T08:39:32.287" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20275" PostId="6354" Score="3" Text="@Snow - Based on what Catjia said in chat and the fact that you are giving SE a 'win' I'm astounded that they haven't already jumped at the chance to cross two names off the list." CreationDate="2019-10-04T18:35:06.657" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="20354" PostId="6354" Score="2" Text="Of course this post demonstrates the ludicrous nature of the whole dispute, since by any standard parsing of English it implies that &quot;Snow&quot; is a plural noun, or a collective noun, or that it is a badly written sentence meaning the &quot;Snow and some unnamed others&quot; are back. But hey, political correctness is more important than effective communication these days..." CreationDate="2019-10-08T13:04:04.820" UserId="40357" />
  <row Id="20782" PostId="6354" Score="0" Text="@alephzero by any standard parsing of English, &quot;snow&quot; is a noun.  Capitalizing &quot;Snow&quot; mid-sentence is a sure-fire clue that Snow is a name, and so the collective/plural nature depends on what the name refers to.  That rule of name-handling overrides how the word would be stated.  (It is much easier to understand this in a format like this website, where things are typically written out, in contrast to audio-only formats where capitalization is typically unnoticeable.)" CreationDate="2019-11-26T00:44:11.553" UserId="45088" />
  <row Id="20277" PostId="6356" Score="8" Text="2 mods reinstated, congrats to them both" CreationDate="2019-10-04T20:17:18.103" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20293" PostId="6357" Score="0" Text="That's the way it should be.  Over moderated forums just shut down" CreationDate="2019-10-05T15:12:32.310" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20325" PostId="6358" Score="5" Text="I am really proud of the mods on other sites that resigned out of principle and in support of Monica." CreationDate="2019-10-06T21:25:49.727" UserId="7474" />
  <row Id="20327" PostId="6358" Score="5" Text="@kbelder I fully respect Snow's and Mister Positive's decision to return, but after a weekend with my family and time to think, my decision to resign remains." CreationDate="2019-10-06T23:22:16.993" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="20823" PostId="6358" Score="0" Text="@JaneS I'm glad you stood your conviction. Unfortunately, only the pressure of having these sites remain unmoderated I believe would have forced SE's hand into taking action. Snow/Mister Positive returning, unfortunately reinforces the fact that what SE has done is acceptable, and for that I cannot agree. They clearly took a stance: Witnessed no action being done, and still returned." CreationDate="2019-12-07T12:57:42.117" UserId="56109" />
  <row Id="20554" PostId="6359" Score="1" Text="Absolutely, the mods do an awesome jobs, this is one of my favorite exchanges.&#xA;&#xA;Big ups!" CreationDate="2019-10-16T21:09:05.663" UserId="92317" />
  <row Id="20314" PostId="6361" Score="0" Text="You can't delete your own post?" CreationDate="2019-10-06T07:53:50.003" UserId="90578" />
  <row Id="20315" PostId="6361" Score="1" Text="@ZevSpitz nope, not once it got all those lovely votes" CreationDate="2019-10-06T08:01:33.400" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20281" PostId="6362" Score="7" Text="I think it means they're honouring their commitments and showing that their overriding loyalty is to the people who voted them the diamonds in the first place. Which is this community, not Monica or SE, we voted them in. I see it as a positive" CreationDate="2019-10-05T02:57:44.677" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20283" PostId="6362" Score="4" Text="I think they support what comes from S E." CreationDate="2019-10-05T03:44:22.480" UserId="8033" />
  <row Id="20294" PostId="6362" Score="21" Text="&quot;Return of the Mods&quot; sounds like the sequel to a horror film. :)" CreationDate="2019-10-05T15:33:42.440" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20313" PostId="6362" Score="5" Text="@JoeStrazzere sequel between The Mods Conspiracy, and Revenge of the Mods...." CreationDate="2019-10-06T07:20:37.783" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20328" PostId="6362" Score="13" Text="Not all of us have returned. I fully respect Snow's and Mister Positive's decision to return and the reasons why, but after spending the weekend with my family and time to think, my decision remains at this stage. Nothing has changed in SE's stance nor their treatment of Monica, so at least for now, neither does mine." CreationDate="2019-10-06T23:28:18.757" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="20331" PostId="6362" Score="0" Text="@JaneS no worries, enjoy your family time" CreationDate="2019-10-07T00:47:59.573" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20386" PostId="6362" Score="1" Text="Who is Monica and why do we care so much about her?" CreationDate="2019-10-10T14:06:58.970" UserId="101878" />
  <row Id="20424" PostId="6362" Score="1" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333965/firing-mods-and-forced-relicensing-is-stack-exchange-still-interested-in-cooper" CreationDate="2019-10-10T21:04:54.600" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="20557" PostId="6362" Score="0" Text="@David The short summary is that there were a mixture of topics with hateful opinions and miscommunication, plus combination of Jewish holidays and a firing of a mod that triggered an avalanche of perspectives. Well, the even shorter version is a sh!tstorm happened and a **LOT** of mods resigned. Some of them decided to come back." CreationDate="2019-10-17T04:24:35.897" UserId="32814" />
  <row Id="20292" PostId="6363" Score="2" Text="Certainly was. There’s no easy path out of this mess. However, recovery has to start somewhere." CreationDate="2019-10-05T12:35:45.937" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20337" PostId="6364" Score="1" Text="Thanks Joe.  This pretty much sums up my path thus far." CreationDate="2019-10-07T15:41:20.887" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20296" PostId="6365" Score="0" Text="you can't do business with your management? Or they sacking you?" CreationDate="2019-10-05T20:37:17.747" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20297" PostId="6365" Score="0" Text="I think that is besides the point, and why ask? Let's say they sacked me. Or that they didn't and I just changed my location and kept the employment. What is the recommendation to do, both for a management and for the accused in case of horrible accusations of this kind?" CreationDate="2019-10-05T20:40:25.160" UserId="8029" />
  <row Id="20298" PostId="6365" Score="1" Text="I asked because I don't understand the question... never heard of can't do business with management.... unclear why one manager says this other know nothing about it but won't do business with you... what does that mean?" CreationDate="2019-10-05T20:41:41.647" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20299" PostId="6365" Score="0" Text="We think it is revenge against me but that is also speculation." CreationDate="2019-10-05T20:50:46.877" UserId="8029" />
  <row Id="20300" PostId="6365" Score="4" Text="I don't understand the whole question sorry. You need to make it clearer." CreationDate="2019-10-05T20:51:39.620" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20301" PostId="6365" Score="0" Text="How to deal with a &quot;workplace-related&quot; event when nobody knows what it is." CreationDate="2019-10-05T20:53:42.670" UserId="8029" />
  <row Id="20316" PostId="6365" Score="1" Text="[&quot;Questions require a goal that we can address...&quot;](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2696/168)" CreationDate="2019-10-06T09:04:18.017" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="20318" PostId="6365" Score="0" Text="@gnat One goal used to be called &quot;justice&quot; wasn't it? We think that we should handle cases of blaming and situations which seem like Franz Kafka. How to deal with situations and people who break their own rules." CreationDate="2019-10-06T09:49:48.623" UserId="8029" />
  <row Id="20323" PostId="6365" Score="4" Text="This isn’t a question." CreationDate="2019-10-06T15:12:00.567" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="20324" PostId="6365" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk But it must have been. Or how do you know &quot;this&quot;? Let's find out what the question has been from the beginning in this confusing matter. Did (s)he or did (s)he not.... what?" CreationDate="2019-10-06T16:06:21.033" UserId="8029" />
  <row Id="20330" PostId="6365" Score="0" Text="The paragraph you have written above is not a question.  It is a gripe.  It has no question for anyone to answer.  It would be closed as “questions require a goal we can address.”" CreationDate="2019-10-07T00:32:41.700" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="20334" PostId="6365" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk What you have written is splitting hairs. The situation needs recommendations and a question of what is relevant." CreationDate="2019-10-07T12:39:18.027" UserId="8029" />
  <row Id="20335" PostId="6365" Score="2" Text="You can listen or not listen, but if you post this it’ll be closed." CreationDate="2019-10-07T12:45:27.130" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="20336" PostId="6365" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk Question: &quot;How can I be found guilty of injustice related to a workplace?&quot; Is that good enough? Bosses absolutely claim that is question today. You may disagree of course..." CreationDate="2019-10-07T12:49:47.787" UserId="8029" />
  <row Id="20320" PostId="6366" Score="0" Text="Can't we just say the simple truth that I was told over the phone that I was guilty of injustice towards a woman. And then examine what it could have been. Regardless of being &quot;fired&quot;, it is some statement of injustice against some woman. But we believe that I had the right to know what it was. Many people are confused and you make it even more complicated when we mix in more and more legal issues." CreationDate="2019-10-06T14:37:55.793" UserId="8029" />
  <row Id="20321" PostId="6366" Score="1" Text="Yes you could. The fewer parts to the story there are the less confusing it will be, so the better people will receive it." CreationDate="2019-10-06T14:39:25.753" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="20322" PostId="6366" Score="0" Text="All this is just based on my own observations of the site of course. This is all advice, not a guarantee :)" CreationDate="2019-10-06T14:42:06.887" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="20332" PostId="6367" Score="0" Text="When you say &quot;Particularly common in India&quot;, it makes me think that it's... pretty common in India. Not pretty common relative to other places. (I do not know how to word it better)." CreationDate="2019-10-07T10:55:53.700" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="20333" PostId="6367" Score="2" Text="@GregoryCurrie: To me, &quot;particularly common&quot; implies &quot;more common than in general&quot; - but I'm not a native speaker. Feel free to propose a different wording :-)." CreationDate="2019-10-07T11:14:29.737" UserId="57" />
  <row Id="20346" PostId="6368" Score="4" Text="I'm looking forwards... all pretty murky... on the bright side... it's just the internet :-)" CreationDate="2019-10-08T00:18:15.197" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20360" PostId="6368" Score="0" Text="**the new CoC is divisive** It hasn't even been released yet (I think)? There's still so much information missing from the new CoC, isn't it soon to declare war on it?" CreationDate="2019-10-08T19:25:05.170" UserId="22186" />
  <row Id="20361" PostId="6368" Score="4" Text="@IEatBagels well, it doesn't exist yet but they still enforced it?  Or so they say; I still don't see the violation.  So I guess it's lurking out there somewhere, ready to bite us.  Or maybe they'll fix it -- who knows?" CreationDate="2019-10-08T19:34:50.793" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20362" PostId="6368" Score="5" Text="@IEatBagels  The wars already been declared and we have our first casualty.  If forced newspeak and conviction of future crine isn't dystopic, what is?" CreationDate="2019-10-08T19:40:19.873" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20363" PostId="6368" Score="0" Text="@MonicaCellio While I don't agree with how you were treated, we never got (and probably never will get) the full information regarding this conflict. Firing at the CoC when it hasn't been released is throwing oil on an already burning fire." CreationDate="2019-10-08T19:40:34.623" UserId="22186" />
  <row Id="20364" PostId="6368" Score="7" Text="I'm not firing at the CoC; I'm just cautioning people that a policy that *hasn't been published yet* is nonetheless being applied to people." CreationDate="2019-10-08T19:42:28.433" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20365" PostId="6368" Score="17" Text="@IEatBagels There's an old Navajo story about someone who spread rumors about someone, then later regretted it.  The shaman told her that to undo what she did, she would have to dump a bag of feathers on the trail in at sunrise, then gather them all at sunset.  She did as she told, but could not find all of those feathers and looked will into the dark night trying to find them.  She then went back to the shaman and told him that she could not find all the feathers.  &quot;Nor can you make up for the words you have spoken, like the feathers, they are in the wind, you will never get them back&quot;." CreationDate="2019-10-08T19:48:49.947" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20366" PostId="6368" Score="2" Text="@IEatBagels Monica has already been wronged, and libeled by this policy.  Even if they reverse course, change the policy, and reinstate her, she will never get back those words that were said about her.  That is just plain wrong." CreationDate="2019-10-08T19:50:10.603" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20339" PostId="6369" Score="3" Text="that's why I'm still here.  it took guts from you and snow to reverse course.  Glad I voted for both of you" CreationDate="2019-10-07T16:47:36.270" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20341" PostId="6369" Score="5" Text="Anything you can do to get them to allow people to disengage would be much appreciated.  There are users on SE who are bullies, antisemites, and trolls, and I need to be able to protect *myself* by walking away. Whether that's ok should not depend on the gender of the person involved; the assumption that I'm doing it because of that does not assume good intent." CreationDate="2019-10-07T19:05:24.377" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20342" PostId="6369" Score="9" Text="In my view it’s worse than forced speech, it’s forced advocacy. I strongly believe that adding more pronouns to the language is a bad solution to the problem of society viewing gender as discrete instead of a continuum. I won’t actively oppose this (in my opinion) wrong approach, but I shouldn’t be forced to use invented gendered language which helps adoption of it. I feel strongly that English needs to evolve beyond that. Labels damage our thinking, even when we like those labels and apply them to ourselves." CreationDate="2019-10-07T19:20:15.533" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="20343" PostId="6369" Score="5" Text="@ColleenV yes, this is an Orwellian dystopia in the making.  If you cannot say what you mean, you cannot mean what you say.  I can see this causing a problem with devout Muslims, Christians, orthodox Jews, and people on the spectrum, the former 3 having deep religious objections, and the former because we autists can have a real problem with words that don't express what they mean.  I'm amazed at how times have changed, honestly." CreationDate="2019-10-07T20:42:38.950" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20344" PostId="6369" Score="0" Text="Has any of the mods seen the second draft of the CoC? It's 23.00 Italy time but 17.00 in New York." CreationDate="2019-10-07T21:08:07.277" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="20345" PostId="6369" Score="0" Text="@Mari-LouA The work day just ended on the East coast - there's still a few more hours to go on the West. I'm still not sure how they're going to release it to us, but so far I haven't seen anything." CreationDate="2019-10-07T21:30:56.303" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="20347" PostId="6369" Score="3" Text="@MonicaCellio yes, there are bullies in SE.  It's never fun when you are made to be the villain when you've done nothing wrong.  Believe me, I know.  Worse, is once that characterization of a person is made, it's on the net forever, and the accusations will always come up in a search.  They owe you an official retraction, not just quiet back-peddling" CreationDate="2019-10-08T02:17:41.667" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20340" PostId="6370" Score="3" Text="Well, I'm more forecasting than reacting.  You sure got their attention, that's for sure, and that does give me some hope, which is why I am still here.  Regardless, you've got a tough job ahead." CreationDate="2019-10-07T18:44:41.830" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20348" PostId="6371" Score="0" Text="Are all the questions on the site where people ask about having to payback money for training and moving expenses going to be added to this tag?" CreationDate="2019-10-08T10:36:48.980" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="20368" PostId="6371" Score="0" Text="@mhoran_psprep: Good question. AFAIK, the term &quot;bond&quot; is only widely used in India - however, the concept exists elsewhere. In many countries, there are legal limits for such &quot;bonds&quot; - e.g. in Germany they may only be imposed for repayment of specific cost incurred by the company (such as training). Also, such repayment agreements can be made after hiring, while an employment bond typically starts with the employment. I'll edit the tag wiki to make the distinction clearer." CreationDate="2019-10-09T06:50:12.957" UserId="57" />
  <row Id="20378" PostId="6371" Score="0" Text="Sometimes it is also known as &quot;service agreement&quot;." CreationDate="2019-10-09T18:15:11.163" UserId="107121" />
  <row Id="20501" PostId="6371" Score="1" Text="+1 - should it be mentioned or linked to the [relieving-letter](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/relieving-letter) tag?" CreationDate="2019-10-14T17:33:29.853" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="20581" PostId="6371" Score="0" Text="@rath: I don't see a direct connection between the two - but if you do, feel free to edit the tag." CreationDate="2019-10-18T09:22:25.457" UserId="57" />
  <row Id="20583" PostId="6371" Score="0" Text="@sleske I don't either, but I'm not familiar with either topic. I thought they might be related, if they're not, no worries :)" CreationDate="2019-10-18T11:27:39.513" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="20352" PostId="6373" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry, could I borrow a cup of optimism, I seem to be running low.  In all seriousness though, this is a good attitude to have, sir." CreationDate="2019-10-08T12:36:13.417" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20353" PostId="6373" Score="1" Text="@RichardU - LOL! Nobody who knows me would call me an optimist. I have always considered myself a realist. I try not to react to a situation until the facts are in." CreationDate="2019-10-08T12:40:37.667" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20355" PostId="6373" Score="0" Text="Well Joe, maybe it's my background then.  If that's the case, I'd like to take a good look at your reality and see if I can bring mine to bear, as mine is about as much as I can." CreationDate="2019-10-08T13:13:23.660" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20356" PostId="6373" Score="2" Text="@RichardU - we each have our own background to carry around in our life, our own burdens, our own scars." CreationDate="2019-10-08T13:18:37.033" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20357" PostId="6373" Score="2" Text="Well, I think it goes without saying that you are fairly well admired around here, and too humble to understand why.  I honestly wish I had your temperate nature." CreationDate="2019-10-08T13:23:53.207" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20370" PostId="6373" Score="1" Text="Well said Joe...." CreationDate="2019-10-09T10:06:43.260" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20384" PostId="6373" Score="1" Text="+1 This pretty much sums up what I feel." CreationDate="2019-10-10T08:45:24.423" UserId="8068" />
  <row Id="20387" PostId="6373" Score="0" Text="Way more things have changed. Like on Sep 5, when SE announced without prior discussion that the content license was being retroactively changed. Like removal of Hot Meta Posts from SO's side bar. Like arbitration by default while failing to deliver the promised secure mechanism for opting out. What happened to Monica was not the cause of the recent resignments, it was the spark which finally ignited all those many things which have also been changing for the worse." CreationDate="2019-10-10T14:07:03.087" UserId="62793" />
  <row Id="20388" PostId="6373" Score="1" Text="@JoseAntonioDuraOlmos - I'm sure lots of things behind the scenes have changed. I have noticed exactly none of those." CreationDate="2019-10-10T14:27:18.773" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20389" PostId="6373" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere All those changes I mentioned have happened in public, not behind the scenes and are easy to find in this meta site." CreationDate="2019-10-10T14:29:21.293" UserId="62793" />
  <row Id="20390" PostId="6373" Score="5" Text="@JoseAntonioDuraOlmos - you are missing my point. I don't care at all about this Meta site. I don't care at all about Hot Meta Posts in a side bar. I don't care about the prior or current content license. I would bet that most folks on the main site feel the same way. I do care about Monica and the other current and former moderators. Mostly I care about helping others when I can - if something changes that interferes with than, then I may re-evaluate things." CreationDate="2019-10-10T14:33:09.790" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20391" PostId="6373" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere You are right, I was missing your point. Now I understand what you meant in your answer. Something of what you've put in comments answering me could be added to such answer so that it is easier to get your point." CreationDate="2019-10-10T14:39:17.943" UserId="62793" />
  <row Id="20379" PostId="6374" Score="0" Text="Well, this is not one I thought would grab a close vote, or a down-vote.  hmmm" CreationDate="2019-10-09T20:04:25.503" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20381" PostId="6374" Score="2" Text="You're a downvote magnet my friend" CreationDate="2019-10-10T01:26:13.397" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20383" PostId="6374" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi yeah, it's amusing" CreationDate="2019-10-10T02:49:57.233" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20444" PostId="6374" Score="5" Text="Imho *if you look for trouble, you will find it*  is the essence of problems here. Well put" CreationDate="2019-10-11T06:28:31.077" UserId="80678" />
  <row Id="20555" PostId="6374" Score="0" Text="Very well said, If feel handling trolling and etc in this way is perfect it fits with the focus of the site.&#xA;If we want to be a great storage of information, we should focus on that, rather than winning a battle in the comments." CreationDate="2019-10-16T21:11:39.497" UserId="92317" />
  <row Id="20591" PostId="6374" Score="0" Text="I'm a little confused - is this a statement from Stack Exchange or a personal plea to the community? (I don't view it as a bad thing, I'm just asking)" CreationDate="2019-10-21T13:50:32.473" UserId="19774" />
  <row Id="20596" PostId="6374" Score="0" Text="@MarkC. It can't be a statement from SE, so probably the latter." CreationDate="2019-10-22T08:16:23.923" UserId="26901" />
  <row Id="20597" PostId="6374" Score="0" Text="@MarkC. It was just my vain attempt to try to restore peace, but SE seems to think that the best action to take once hitting rock bottom is to bring out the heavy equipment, and begin excavating" CreationDate="2019-10-22T12:11:21.430" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20598" PostId="6374" Score="0" Text="@RichardU It's sad to see, really." CreationDate="2019-10-22T13:04:29.547" UserId="19774" />
  <row Id="20599" PostId="6374" Score="1" Text="@MarkC sad indeed.  I cannot believe the incredibly poor judgement on SE's part" CreationDate="2019-10-22T13:09:23.580" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20369" PostId="6375" Score="1" Text="Have you seen [this](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334551/an-apology-to-our-community-and-next-steps?cb=1) and [this](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334689/where-do-we-go-from-here)?" CreationDate="2019-10-09T07:34:04.413" UserDisplayName="user8036" />
  <row Id="20376" PostId="6375" Score="0" Text="I don't think he has, now that he has left." CreationDate="2019-10-09T14:15:29.577" UserId="94851" />
  <row Id="20575" PostId="6375" Score="0" Text="Welcome back !!" CreationDate="2019-10-18T00:03:29.863" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20373" PostId="6376" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere yes I noticed after the fact but too lazy to edit, doesn't matter, the chaps gone anyway" CreationDate="2019-10-09T11:16:56.050" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20385" PostId="6378" Score="10" Text="Just curious - which contributions were great? I may be missing something, but I see only a single answer." CreationDate="2019-10-10T11:45:09.647" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20425" PostId="6379" Score="2" Text="I've always been amused at being called 'sir' and 'he', rather than offended.  But I guess I'm coming from a position of privilege since I appear to be cis.  I'll go update my profile to say that I don't care what anyone calls me." CreationDate="2019-10-10T21:12:09.293" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="20426" PostId="6379" Score="1" Text="In your profile @thursdaysgeek its says &quot;*Wednesday's little sister*&quot;.  I don't assume anything anymore.  Assumption generally speaking are bad." CreationDate="2019-10-10T21:13:56.417" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20427" PostId="6379" Score="11" Text="Mr. Positive: I am a girl geek, but I'm a lot more geek than girl, and am still fine with the concept of using 'he' as a universal pronoun, at least when directed at myself.  Also, I can't be offended." CreationDate="2019-10-10T21:22:48.817" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="20430" PostId="6379" Score="0" Text="@thursdaygeek. Maybe it's my writing style, but where i have had handles that didn't indicate gender. People would assume that i was a woman." CreationDate="2019-10-10T21:48:18.443" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20434" PostId="6379" Score="1" Text="@thursdaysgeek In general I am the same way but not quite.  I can be offended, its just really hard to do so." CreationDate="2019-10-10T22:12:05.827" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20608" PostId="6379" Score="3" Text="I can also be offended, but I take responsibility for the offence, because I assume first and foremost that *I have been unclear* and that *the other person doesn't mean to offend*." CreationDate="2019-10-24T00:16:56.980" UserId="79834" />
  <row Id="20618" PostId="6379" Score="3" Text="I get 404 on the link" CreationDate="2019-10-25T12:51:25.270" UserId="14540" />
  <row Id="20421" PostId="6381" Score="0" Text="Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/99764/discussion-on-answer-by-snow-updates-to-the-code-of-conduct)." CreationDate="2019-10-10T20:43:27.400" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20394" PostId="6382" Score="2" Text="I agree completely, this won't end well. Just carry on with the common sense and respect. All this verbiage was a surprise to me and just way too much of it in my opinion.  You're probably already addressing people with respect, I don't recall anyone accusing you of misgendering.  Other things maybe :D but not misgendering." CreationDate="2019-10-10T19:32:58.327" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20395" PostId="6382" Score="6" Text="For our community, I don't see this as a big deal.  Be nice, if you need to use a pronoun, use a gender neutral one and move about the day.  Really nothing much to see here as we are generally respectful of our members.  Also you are allowed to disengage if needed.  ( I have never ever seen a situation where this is applicable at TWP )" CreationDate="2019-10-10T19:33:52.123" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20429" PostId="6382" Score="33" Text="And this is a softening of what was originally shared with mods.  At least now they're saying that you can write as you naturally do, *so long as* you aren't selective in who gets pronouns and who doesn't.  That is *exactly* the point I raised with their original formation of it.  (Well, that and that we were being asked to judge people's *intentions*.  That part's still there.)  So, *nothing* about how I write, and what I agreed to be extra-careful about in the TL discussion, conflicts with this." CreationDate="2019-10-10T21:48:10.290" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20440" PostId="6382" Score="5" Text="@MonicaCellio Thank you for adding this.  I sincerely hope you get your diamonds back!!" CreationDate="2019-10-11T00:36:33.560" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20441" PostId="6382" Score="10" Text="@MonicaCellio I know we've bumped heads in the past, but what was done to you was a travesty.  You didn't deserve this, you didn't deserve the public accusations made of you, and you didn't deserve to have your good name dragged through the mud.  It's just wrong, and you won't be the last one, sadly" CreationDate="2019-10-11T00:51:00.410" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20442" PostId="6382" Score="5" Text="Thanks Richard.  Yes we've bumped heads, but I think our conversations have always been respectful and professional, even when at least one of us is frustrated." CreationDate="2019-10-11T00:55:51.073" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20463" PostId="6382" Score="0" Text="In addition to using free speech, you can encourage people to use free speech refering to you [as I suggested on Meta](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/335009/530922). I believe this positive form of protesting against compelled speech will be heard in the long run, if the storm of raging users doesn't suffice in itself." CreationDate="2019-10-11T13:23:35.393" UserId="45534" />
  <row Id="20504" PostId="6382" Score="1" Text="Accidents will happen. A lot. If someone has a name or avatar that is commonly associated with a particular gender (either by language or culture), they're practically asking to be &quot;pronouned&quot; by that gender. It's also possible for people to exclude pronouns and be genderless. @HLGEM, for example, was a genderless avatar with no preferred pronouns, I once referred to &quot;her&quot; as &quot;him&quot; and was corrected. That's OK by me, I don't think that would violate any rules even with the new CoC?" CreationDate="2019-10-14T19:14:58.643" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="20505" PostId="6382" Score="4" Text="@RichardU, you're mischaracterizing what &quot;Orwellian newspeak&quot; actually is." CreationDate="2019-10-14T19:17:01.700" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="20507" PostId="6382" Score="4" Text="@RichardU, Newspeak is a deliberate simplification of language and an imposition of the will of Big Brother upon individuals. The CoC here seeks to make language more expressive for the needs of individuals. That's very different and antithetical to what newspeak is." CreationDate="2019-10-14T19:48:55.190" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="20508" PostId="6382" Score="3" Text="@teego1967 like Monica's needs?" CreationDate="2019-10-14T20:06:09.447" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20510" PostId="6382" Score="5" Text="@RichardU, I'm not going to justify SE's specific ham-fisted treatment of Monica, but the time has come for large communities to take account of the needs of folks who haven't had the benefit of recognition of their most intrinsic identities." CreationDate="2019-10-14T21:25:53.300" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="20550" PostId="6382" Score="1" Text="@MonicaCellio The &quot;We are asking everyone to use all stated pronouns as you would naturally write&quot; part of the FAQ they wrote [sounds remarkably like what you were asking to be allowed to do in the first place](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/335039/343810) - or am I wrong about that? Unless I'm totally misreading the situation, I find it ridiculous that they fired you over a policy that they hadn't even written yet and that ended up saying exactly what you wanted to do all along. (Actually, it's ridiculous either way come to think of it)." CreationDate="2019-10-16T20:11:53.023" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="20551" PostId="6382" Score="7" Text="@EJoshuaS that's correct.  The original policy presented to the mods was &quot;you must use preferred pronouns no matter what&quot;.  I asked about my natural, gender-free writing style and while employees never answered, other mods claimed that wasn't good enough.  I later asked that question in email -- no answer, just fired.  Then finally they published a slightly softer version (yay!), which *seems* to be exactly what I asked about, but they refuse to reverse the firing.  Instead I can apply for reinstatement later, which feels pretty guilty-until-proven-innocent but seems the only path.  Bonkers!" CreationDate="2019-10-16T20:20:09.303" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20552" PostId="6382" Score="3" Text="@MonicaCellio I'd say. I'd really like to know what policy you're actually supposed to have violated now that the CoC says that you're allowed to do exactly what you were asking to be allowed to do in the first place; right now, all they have is a hypothetical violation of a policy that never even existed. Their intransigence is absolutely sickening." CreationDate="2019-10-16T20:34:43.157" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="20553" PostId="6382" Score="0" Text="So would I, @EJoshuaS.  So would I..." CreationDate="2019-10-16T20:59:10.633" UserId="325" />
  <row Id="20556" PostId="6382" Score="1" Text="@RichardU yet you cheerfully complained about my post that was meant to criticize the policy because you took offense?" CreationDate="2019-10-16T21:53:34.653" UserId="76870" />
  <row Id="20559" PostId="6382" Score="1" Text="@solarflare No, I was agreeing with you,  no matter,  I'm done with this nonsense, and have requested my account be deleted.  I have no use for this orwellian newspeak.  It makes a mockery of the very real struggles people have had over the years,  Sorry if my sarcasm came accross as complaining.  I am actually in complete agreement with you, and no longer desire to be associated with a site that tolerates such nonsense" CreationDate="2019-10-17T10:56:26.780" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20562" PostId="6382" Score="1" Text="Please stop saying this is Orwellian Newspeak. I fully stand behind all of those thinking that what happened to Monica was uncalled for and ridiculous, but if you're going to be that strict on correct usage of language (grammar), be consistent and show correct use of literary expressions. I still don't understand what's the difficulty of using the singular &quot;they&quot; since that pronoun was originally singular and then became plural. You have the benefit of a language that allows gender neutrality without being forced. Use it." CreationDate="2019-10-17T15:51:50.110" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="20563" PostId="6382" Score="2" Text="@JulianaKarasawaSouza Use it... or what?  Hmmmm, sounds fairly Orwellian to me, or at least doubleplussungood." CreationDate="2019-10-17T15:55:33.510" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20564" PostId="6382" Score="1" Text="@RichardU sounds really hypocritical accusing &quot;the powers that be&quot; of trumping grammar with feelings when you're doing the same. You were already corrected three times on the usage of literary expressions, and still insist on using it. How is that any different of being corrected in the use of proper pronouns for respecting their identity and not abiding to it? Aren't your feelings trumping literacy?" CreationDate="2019-10-17T15:59:25.460" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="20566" PostId="6382" Score="2" Text="@JulianaKarasawaSouza I've had neo-nazis try to push me around, I assure you that you will have the same success as they did.  Neither you, nor anyone else will bully me into silence." CreationDate="2019-10-17T16:52:41.463" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20585" PostId="6382" Score="1" Text="@RichardU I'm not asking you to be silent. What I'm asking you is to review how you place your argument and your wording because you're not coming across as you intend to be." CreationDate="2019-10-18T14:02:36.853" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="20593" PostId="6382" Score="1" Text="@RichardU I see you have asserted that singular 'they' is ungrammatical. As someone who uses they/them pronouns, I would like to discuss this with you to get a better understanding of your position and to learn of possible ways to work around this objection in the future. Would you like to discuss this in chat? I look forward to finding middle ground with you" CreationDate="2019-10-22T02:55:08.963" UserId="87446" />
  <row Id="20594" PostId="6382" Score="1" Text="@cat40 I can, with great difficulty pull it off.  You are obviously very polite and I would WANT to extend that to you. I would, extend that courtesy to just about anyone, unless they were extremely obnoxious.  That said, being autistic, and knowing just how hard it is for a high functioning autistic like myself to do so, I understand that for many, it would be as difficult for some autistic people to do as it would be for a blind person to see the color red, or a deaf person to hear if they just listened real hard.  The CoC assumes malice.  and that is the problem I have with it." CreationDate="2019-10-22T05:10:43.547" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20595" PostId="6382" Score="0" Text="@cat40  I'm actually heading to bed now, but if you want to discuss further, I would certainly be open to it." CreationDate="2019-10-22T05:12:46.687" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20620" PostId="6382" Score="0" Text="People still have to adapt their language if requested to. This post is spot-on about that. It's even worse, not all feelings are equal. Gender identity trumps religious feelings, and any other for that matter. There is no balance." CreationDate="2019-10-27T19:06:03.230" UserId="110794" />
  <row Id="20469" PostId="6383" Score="2" Text="I don't understand why this is getting down-voted without comment here, or on meta" CreationDate="2019-10-11T16:06:31.933" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20502" PostId="6383" Score="2" Text="Have you deleted the reply?" CreationDate="2019-10-14T17:58:55.493" UserId="110794" />
  <row Id="20601" PostId="6383" Score="1" Text="@dfhwze no, Shog did.  It appears I raised too many questions." CreationDate="2019-10-22T18:40:31.537" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20537" PostId="6385" Score="6" Text="I've deleted the conversational comment stream here.  Questions about this policy should be directed to the [Offlicial FAQ](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/334900/official-faq-on-gender-pronouns-and-code-of-conduct-changes) because The Workplace works to the same policy as the rest of the SE network.  Statistically speaking, the chances of you being asked to use a pronoun by a trans/non-gendered person is low.  The policy is only asking that you respect that request when it occurs and not go out of your way to avoid using it.  It's as simple as that." CreationDate="2019-10-16T06:53:44.947" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20462" PostId="6386" Score="1" Text="Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/99782/discussion-on-answer-by-thegirlhasnoname-updates-to-the-code-of-conduct)." CreationDate="2019-10-11T13:11:03.460" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20592" PostId="6386" Score="1" Text="I heartily second this. There's been a lot of focus on the alleged hardship of following the policy and not enough focus on why it was necessary in the first place." CreationDate="2019-10-22T02:42:47.637" UserId="87446" />
  <row Id="20470" PostId="6387" Score="5" Text="I don't think that there is a &quot;official stance&quot; on a thing as specific as this. As long as one is respectful and addresses to people as they explicitly asked to be addressed (if they did) then everything is ok." CreationDate="2019-10-11T21:04:48.617" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20471" PostId="6387" Score="4" Text="Besides, the fact that those guys at vox (pun intended) decided to make an article of this doesn't mean we have to make an issue of it" CreationDate="2019-10-11T21:07:03.490" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20472" PostId="6387" Score="5" Text="@DarkCygnus since gendered language **is** an issue, and a former moderator had her name dragged through the mud, publicly, and in a news article, I think we should seek an official stance on this.  I'd hate to have the same thing happen to anyone else." CreationDate="2019-10-11T21:11:03.443" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20473" PostId="6387" Score="7" Text="ugh... I am starting to dislike this whole gender language thing. I see your point, Richard, but I think we are over-reacting a bit here. I can't help to feel this a bit paranoid; wanting to analyze every possible word and phrase that *could* make someone feel &quot;bad&quot;. Should we also reach a &quot;official stance&quot; on all those words? I know this is a sensible topic, but each time I am more convinced that this is a really dumb thing to be arguing and fighting over... I am getting sick of this word taboo, when there are far more relevant things to worry about and when gender-neutral words exist." CreationDate="2019-10-11T21:24:34.883" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20474" PostId="6387" Score="9" Text="@DarkCygnus I can understand that. But I do believe that many users are already addressing each other with respect and courtesy. I don’t think much change is needed. However, the notoriety of the new CoC is focusing on this issue more than is really necessary." CreationDate="2019-10-11T21:29:34.297" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20475" PostId="6387" Score="0" Text="@Snow precisely the fact that is being over-focused more than necessary is what is starting to bother me. And yes, at least here in TWP we are already respectful I agree on that" CreationDate="2019-10-11T21:41:13.113" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20476" PostId="6387" Score="3" Text="Yep, so just carry on as normal for the main part." CreationDate="2019-10-11T21:52:08.983" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20477" PostId="6387" Score="3" Text="@DarkCygnus How is it overreacting when we've already seen someone caled a bigot, and had her name dragged through the mud, on a news site, no less" CreationDate="2019-10-11T21:55:53.867" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20478" PostId="6387" Score="0" Text="Perhaps that is just my perception... or perhaps just frustration to see that the mod incident indeed had (and still has) its fallout and to see that we are all still tense about it..." CreationDate="2019-10-11T22:23:40.680" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20483" PostId="6387" Score="7" Text="We'll be diverting any further &quot;can I say this?&quot; to the official CoC FAQ, since we follow the same language/respect requirements as the rest of the network.  It seems sensible to all *all* users to learn from these questions." CreationDate="2019-10-12T12:24:35.627" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20539" PostId="6387" Score="3" Text="@DarkCygnus since we *do* operate in a language that has more normal-sounding possibilities for gender-neutrality than many others, I don't see what's the difficulty in saying &quot;people&quot; or &quot;everybody / everyone&quot; or &quot;folks&quot; or something in that sense" CreationDate="2019-10-16T08:51:21.763" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="20542" PostId="6387" Score="0" Text="@JulianaKarasawaSouza except &quot;guys&quot;, unless we have a ruling otherwise.  I wish they would just issue a list of acceptable words.  There is a synonym for miserly that I would be terrified of using." CreationDate="2019-10-16T12:42:20.187" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20543" PostId="6387" Score="7" Text="@RichardU eh... I think that having a list of &quot;acceptable&quot; and &quot;unacceptable&quot; words is a bit too much. But then that's my general outlook on life, and my personal opinion" CreationDate="2019-10-16T14:18:07.900" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="20624" PostId="6387" Score="1" Text="Please tell me we haven't yet reached this level of blinkered, SJW-madness ... :-(" CreationDate="2019-10-28T20:11:54.203" UserId="88516" />
  <row Id="20625" PostId="6387" Score="0" Text="@Time4Tea  We've reached it, it's just a question of how far it reaches" CreationDate="2019-10-28T20:19:40.733" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20482" PostId="6388" Score="3" Text="Thanks for the edit, Joe. Was phone editing!" CreationDate="2019-10-12T06:45:17.100" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20515" PostId="6388" Score="3" Text="This seems like a slippery slope. I could easily see someone get offended by &quot;y'all&quot; as being a negative stereotype associated with rednecks. I've seen people get chastised for using y'all in the real world, because of this. But it's considered OK here because the CMs use it? Not trying to disagree with you @Snow, I guess I'm just trying to illustrate what a difficult problem this is." CreationDate="2019-10-15T13:00:42.417" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20516" PostId="6388" Score="2" Text="`If they can use it, anyone can.`.. not a very strong analogy." CreationDate="2019-10-15T13:35:41.193" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="20518" PostId="6388" Score="7" Text="@Bebs Neither is y'all. It's slang in the South, but that's not the same as being a redneck.That equivalence itself could be offensive since redneck is a pejorative term. I know you're probably making a joke, but it gets old to have an entire region disparaged because we don't share an accent and have different slang." CreationDate="2019-10-15T14:51:13.107" UserId="28939" />
  <row Id="20520" PostId="6388" Score="3" Text="@Bebs It's absolute nonesense frankly. For me, ignoring everything until/unless someone complains is a O(1) operation, and my time is valuable." CreationDate="2019-10-15T15:01:54.927" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="20496" PostId="6391" Score="1" Text="that makes sense" CreationDate="2019-10-13T20:09:48.157" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20514" PostId="6391" Score="1" Text="It would be interesting to know when and how various actions are attributed - it seems like sometimes, you see &quot;by community&quot; and other times by a specific user, or by several users. Or you see community and one or more users. Is any of this explained in any of the help material?" CreationDate="2019-10-15T12:56:18.700" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20574" PostId="6391" Score="0" Text="@dwizum there's help material??!!" CreationDate="2019-10-18T00:01:59.020" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20509" PostId="6392" Score="7" Text="&quot;they really need to provide an option for users to display their pronoun pref everytime their avatar/name appears&quot; - an excellent technical solution!" CreationDate="2019-10-14T20:59:23.073" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20610" PostId="6392" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Yes, but that technical solution may also lead people to focus on that person's personal choice and distract them from their need as an OP.  IMHO, the biggest issue here is that this CoC change has hijacked and significantly harmed the overall aims of the site as far as it being about Q&amp;A (and not personal choices)." CreationDate="2019-10-24T01:50:15.063" UserId="79834" />
  <row Id="20611" PostId="6392" Score="0" Text="What a technical solution like this would do is make a person's personal choice (if they exercised the option) *always* &quot;on topic&quot; on every site because it would be right there, always, right next to their name, on every question and every answer." CreationDate="2019-10-24T02:02:48.653" UserId="79834" />
  <row Id="20613" PostId="6392" Score="0" Text="@tudor, no, it would just provide an easy way for considerate people to use the right pronoun and move on. If someone chooses not to include preferred pronoun, then it would be “ok” to use convention or guess without consequence." CreationDate="2019-10-24T22:17:14.350" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="20614" PostId="6392" Score="0" Text="Considering the infrequency with which pronoun-requiring situations occur (in my experience), I beg to differ. I would find it highly distracting visual noise irrelevant to the question or answer.  Even the existing name/cred box is too much, IMHO, as it leads people to judge a persion's question/answer by their reputation.  This is a Q&amp;A site, not a social media site." CreationDate="2019-10-24T23:56:07.963" UserId="79834" />
  <row Id="20615" PostId="6392" Score="0" Text="@tudor, well, only people for whom these pronouns are important would put them in there. I agree there's a fair amount of cruft already and I personally don't care about the tallies for 3 different badges. People value different things." CreationDate="2019-10-25T02:34:08.630" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="20512" PostId="6393" Score="10" Text="It's likely that this particular question was closed due to &quot;Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals.&quot; We have some folks who would rather vote to close than do anything else. Sometimes they stretch for reasons to vote." CreationDate="2019-10-15T02:32:35.780" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20538" PostId="6393" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'm part of the people who flagged that specific question as being a request for legal advice. Debt settlement and pay obligations are regulated by local laws and I think OP should be seeking legal advice from a qualified local lawyer, especially because no further details are given (location? type of legal entity?)" CreationDate="2019-10-16T08:34:11.907" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="20536" PostId="6397" Score="11" Text="It isn't a shift as such.  There are lots of people jumping on to the trolling bandwagon by asking to be called different made-up pronouns.  Doing this is openly mocking trans and non-gendered people.  The intent might be to mock SE and the policy, but the real outcome is mocking the people who we're trying to include.  We're asking for people to be respected, not ridiculed." CreationDate="2019-10-16T06:30:58.153" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20548" PostId="6397" Score="0" Text="@Snow The point being that in the past all arguments have been assumed to be good faith.  Now should a pronoun request come in we are asking the community to consider if it is being made in good faith or not and notify moderation based on that conclusion.  I'm not implying that it's good or bad, just pointing out that it's a difference from how we've operated in the past." CreationDate="2019-10-16T18:03:53.363" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="20549" PostId="6397" Score="6" Text="It’s a matter of context. We need to have a good level of respect for others. We can’t allow people of do things that mock or offend others and excuse it away with “assume good intent”. We’re currently running under a spate of users making up pronouns for fun and they’re causing offence to people who we’re  trying to include." CreationDate="2019-10-16T18:33:33.293" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20540" PostId="6399" Score="1" Text="You should probably ask this in a separate question, rather than as an Answer. ANd you might mention what added value would be provided by having two VTC reasons, rather than the combined one as exists now." CreationDate="2019-10-16T11:18:08.883" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20541" PostId="6399" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere will do :) I'll also link back to this question as to provide the rationale" CreationDate="2019-10-16T11:48:25.427" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="20544" PostId="6400" Score="0" Text="Clearly it is possible to have a long list of Reasons. But I'm not sure there's much practical value here. Why does it matter if a question is closed due to &quot;Legal&quot; or &quot;Company Specific&quot; versus the same question closed due to &quot;Company Specific or Legal&quot;? Who benefits? What benefit do they gain? I upvoted the question, but I think it could be stronger if the benefits were addressed." CreationDate="2019-10-16T15:38:58.450" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20545" PostId="6400" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere essentially to avoid the type of confusion that's happening on the other meta question - the criteria for &quot;Company-Specific&quot; being questioned due to a question that was actually closed for being &quot;Legal Advice&quot;. If the &quot;experienced users&quot; are confused about that, who knows what might be happening to the people who are new to TWP. It also helps the askers to understand their next steps - look for a lawyer or seek advice inside their own company, which IMHO, are two very different things." CreationDate="2019-10-16T15:42:08.367" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="20546" PostId="6400" Score="0" Text="@JulianaKarasawaSouza If the main issue is confusion, then maybe the solution is just a rewording of the close reason. I agree with Joe that the two reasons are similar enough to keep together." CreationDate="2019-10-16T16:12:41.747" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="20547" PostId="6400" Score="0" Text="@JulianaKarasawaSouza - while we often have disagreements regarding the wisdom of voting to close many questions, I'm not sure I see a lot of confusion regarding the reason for voting that would be solved by adding more individual reasons." CreationDate="2019-10-16T16:17:09.270" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20558" PostId="6400" Score="3" Text="Please see [this thread](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2655/custom-close-reasons-for-the-workplace?rq=1) on why these two reasons were combined." CreationDate="2019-10-17T08:50:21.527" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20560" PostId="6400" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal per my reading reason mentioned here is there were only 3 slots allowed for custom close reasons. If this is so, said limitation no longer holds. For example, Stack Overflow uses 5 slots, Software Engineering uses 4" CreationDate="2019-10-17T11:57:07.487" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="20561" PostId="6400" Score="2" Text="@gnat True, but those require site-specific feature requests which we are unlikely to be entertained. More [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/185097/260382) at &quot;Pick the top three reasons&quot;. I've just checked and Workplace is indeed at 3/3 active Close Reasons." CreationDate="2019-10-17T15:37:59.537" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20567" PostId="6400" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere the question linked to in the OP helps to show the confusion - the question was closed for the reason of being a question about law, but ensuing discussions seem to assume it was closed for being &quot;company specific&quot;" CreationDate="2019-10-17T20:42:21.710" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="20580" PostId="6400" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal I [posted an answer](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6403/168) to address that" CreationDate="2019-10-18T09:04:20.803" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="20568" PostId="6401" Score="2" Text="&quot;Is it appropriate to encourage authors to edit their question/answer to be more inclusive?&quot; - tough call. Sounds rather like nagging to me. I can see some contexts where it might be important." CreationDate="2019-10-17T23:16:08.453" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20569" PostId="6401" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere i can see how &quot;write better answer&quot; would be appropriate response" CreationDate="2019-10-17T23:18:03.450" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="20570" PostId="6401" Score="0" Text="Hmm. &quot;Write better answer&quot; seems like a nag to me. Hopefully it would seldom be needed. And when it's actually needed the comment would be worded a bit better than that." CreationDate="2019-10-17T23:34:02.880" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20571" PostId="6401" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere i meant following conversation: aaa:&quot;please include gender-neutral option in your answer&quot; bbb: &quot;write better answer&quot;" CreationDate="2019-10-17T23:53:37.387" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="20572" PostId="6401" Score="1" Text="One can always suggest an edit of a question or answer, people do it to mine once in a while, I usually go with it unless the edit makes no sense to me." CreationDate="2019-10-17T23:55:45.760" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20573" PostId="6401" Score="4" Text="@aaaaaa - hopefully that comment will only appear for questions/answers that really need it, and not often. For me, it would make sense if the OP requested a gender-neutral answer and one wasn't provided. Otherwise, not so much. For the &quot;clothing-layer&quot; question, (shrug). Your answer was US-centric. I'd hate to see comments like &quot;please include country-neutral option in your answer&quot; there." CreationDate="2019-10-17T23:58:24.710" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20584" PostId="6401" Score="1" Text="I think this is fine, where appropriate.  We don't want to drive anyone off if they don't want to include gender information." CreationDate="2019-10-18T12:31:40.353" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20576" PostId="6402" Score="1" Text="Yes, it seems appropriate here to ask the questioner for clarification here by using comments. &quot;The language here seems to imply that you're male, is this correct? This will greatly help the appropriateness of the answers&quot;.  Questioners often forget to include basic information - it's ok to ask them for it." CreationDate="2019-10-18T07:18:44.907" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20577" PostId="6402" Score="0" Text="@Snow but what if they get offended at you assuming they're male? Or perhaps the other way around 'The language here seems to imply that you're male biologically but something else mentally, is this correct?" CreationDate="2019-10-18T07:36:10.803" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20578" PostId="6402" Score="3" Text="No, they're not likely to be offended at someone assuming male from a context that implies that any more than a woman would be. The offense comes when they declare that they're non-binary and you subsequently ignore that.  We're not assuming that everyone is non-binary except when proven otherwise." CreationDate="2019-10-18T07:51:03.247" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20579" PostId="6402" Score="1" Text="ok, now I got to go look up what non binary means, hopefully it doesn't make me queasy" CreationDate="2019-10-18T07:53:25.847" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20582" PostId="6402" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi It's like how a database field can usually accept 0 or 1, but can also set to NULL.  It's not that simple (because humans are complex), but that's the general concept and the easiest way of understanding it." CreationDate="2019-10-18T10:09:35.887" UserDisplayName="user44108" />
  <row Id="20587" PostId="6403" Score="1" Text="May want to make a new thread specifically to build support on Workplace meta for requesting a 4th custom close reason, then take it to main meta." CreationDate="2019-10-20T13:14:54.687" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20588" PostId="6403" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I doubt that this is needed, this very thread would probably suffice (if there's enough community support for the split). The reason why I think is is neither Stack Overflow nor Software Engineering didn't use separate threads to request for increase (not to mention bringing it to MSE). Per my recollection they simply requested to add close reasons at per site metas. As I wrote this made me feel that technically this became a fairly routine change" CreationDate="2019-10-20T13:21:19.353" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="20589" PostId="6403" Score="1" Text="Fair point, I guess we're close to a quorum here already." CreationDate="2019-10-20T19:06:28.230" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20590" PostId="6403" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I think we can better learn about what community thinks if we make this post [meta-tag:featured]" CreationDate="2019-10-21T11:03:16.453" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="20605" PostId="6406" Score="0" Text="People are free to vote any Answer up or down as they please. Is the answer you mentioned actually &quot;invisible&quot; to you? If so, how did you read it? I assume you upvoted that one?" CreationDate="2019-10-23T14:56:40.760" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20612" PostId="6406" Score="0" Text="For a significant part of the real world, following the advice of that particular answer will pretty much end up with you having to replace your team so often that you will end up further reducing your productivity - either through you firing &quot;examples&quot; or just everyone else moving on as fast as they can." CreationDate="2019-10-24T12:35:36.493" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="20616" PostId="6406" Score="0" Text="@HorusKol and for another probably larger part of the real world, it's the only solution that would work." CreationDate="2019-10-25T06:43:25.207" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20604" PostId="6407" Score="2" Text="&quot;Gone are the days...&quot; this is highly cultural, the question asker is Chinese and works for a Chinese company." CreationDate="2019-10-23T13:39:07.703" UserId="28878" />
  <row Id="20607" PostId="6407" Score="0" Text="Yes, gone are the days.... is highly locale/cultural specific.... not unusual for anything up to physical discipline of recalcitrant workers in probably half the World.... just not your half" CreationDate="2019-10-23T20:43:10.197" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20622" PostId="6409" Score="1" Text="everyone is a hero, until it happens to them and they're faced with unemployment and looming bills to pay, then suddenly  they realise they have their undies outside their clothes and a sheet for a cape, unfortunately a lot of voters are temporary heroes" CreationDate="2019-10-27T22:19:27.457" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20628" PostId="6409" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi last time I was a hero, I ended up losing my house.  I prefer the role of villain now." CreationDate="2019-10-29T13:12:51.470" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20629" PostId="6409" Score="1" Text="People can lose house, wif, kids, become drunks or addicts or go sideways on life altogether. Unemployment is no joke for many in the real World" CreationDate="2019-10-29T13:33:52.440" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20630" PostId="6409" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi yes, which is why I bristle every time the comments in my answers explode with pontificating keyboard warriors who would faint at the prospect of real world conflict, telling me how I'm contributing to bullying, &quot;part of the problem&quot; or even &quot;the reason why workplaces are so toxic&quot;.  Yeah, right.  My advice, like yours, is more pragmatic.  I'm not out to save the world, just give practical advice" CreationDate="2019-10-29T13:41:05.817" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20609" PostId="6410" Score="1" Text="My issue is, that an unpopular but valid answer gets so many down-votes that it becomes invisible." CreationDate="2019-10-24T01:35:52.247" UserId="28878" />
  <row Id="20662" PostId="6410" Score="0" Text="@PieterB I see what you mean..... not really anything that can be done about it, it's not a common scenario anyway...." CreationDate="2019-10-31T02:52:17.043" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20626" PostId="6412" Score="13" Text="In many cases &quot;you should have&quot; is the functional equivalent to &quot;in the future, take these steps&quot;. For example, &quot;you should have talked to your manager first&quot; versus &quot;in the future, talk to your manager first&quot;. Not much difference there." CreationDate="2019-10-29T11:24:14.647" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20627" PostId="6412" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere If you omit the part on what to do now, then yes, it is a distinction without a difference." CreationDate="2019-10-29T12:35:18.643" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20665" PostId="6413" Score="9" Text="Also, don't forget that advice on how to avoid this problem in the future can be greatly useful to *other readers* who may be approaching a similar situation but haven't gotten trapped yet." CreationDate="2019-10-31T20:47:56.593" UserId="12925" />
  <row Id="20631" PostId="6415" Score="7" Text="The whole concept of &quot;canonical answers&quot; doesn't seem well suited to this forum, IMHO." CreationDate="2019-10-30T15:10:58.203" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20664" PostId="6415" Score="2" Text="Bad example question, because the asker in this case actually does the agreement in writing - just not written into the contract." CreationDate="2019-10-31T16:41:18.183" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="20673" PostId="6415" Score="0" Text="@DJClayworth Why is it a bad example? The answer is still: &quot;Don't ask us, consult a lawyer.&quot; The agreement in writing part just solicits more improper legal advice. Verbal agreements can be upheld at times as well, even if much less likely, so again no writing also results in &quot;consult a lawyer.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-11-06T00:19:50.557" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20671" PostId="6417" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are you agreeing or not? You suggest that the questions are a little more varied, but the answer is always the same, as OP claims" CreationDate="2019-11-05T07:29:13.310" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20672" PostId="6417" Score="0" Text="@Mars &quot;If there is one&quot;  I don't think there is one" CreationDate="2019-11-05T11:34:02.377" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20632" PostId="6418" Score="3" Text="&quot;I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it's a mental health issue instead of a question about interpersonal workplace issues or behaviour in workplace-related scenarios.&quot; - what about that?" CreationDate="2019-10-30T16:35:00.317" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20633" PostId="6418" Score="1" Text="VTRO  it is absolutely workplace related, and boy can I relate" CreationDate="2019-10-30T16:40:25.530" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20634" PostId="6418" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling it is a workplace issue.  The OP is talking about something that was caused in the workplace, and wants to move on in the workplace.  There are good answers (and not just mine) and I think erring on the side of compassion couldn't hurt." CreationDate="2019-10-30T16:41:35.093" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20635" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="The edits are way better, and IMO make it answerable.  It is open now." CreationDate="2019-10-30T16:42:18.037" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20636" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="@RichardU Sure, it is &quot;a workplace issue&quot;, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's on topic. That's why I specifically mentioned interpersonal / behaviour in the &quot;instead&quot; part. Interpersonal Skills SE has a policy about closing question where a mental health issue came about as a result of an interpersonal issue (and similar questions on every other site would probably also be closed), because they're not therapists. We aren't either." CreationDate="2019-10-30T16:49:22.500" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20637" PostId="6418" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling we're not talking schizophrenia, clinical depression, BPD, NPD, or anything that actually rises to mental health.  This would be more inline with something that could be found in the 7 habits of highly effective people (work related) or &quot;Who moved my cheese&quot; (also work related) or any number of business related issues.  This isn't even rising to the level or something that would even require a therapist." CreationDate="2019-10-30T16:52:47.417" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20638" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="frustration with and dwelling on the past are normal issues, both in the workplace and generally. Fairly easily fixed through various strategies, no need for therapy." CreationDate="2019-10-30T16:56:41.217" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20639" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="We're workplace experts, but everything I read in the answers draw from experience or expertise with mental health that might not even be workplace-related at all. They do not draw on expertise specific to the workplace and can be applied pretty much word-for-word to similar non-workplace scenarios. I'm also not saying &quot;they need therapy&quot;, but rather that the question just fundamentally doesn't belong here." CreationDate="2019-10-30T16:58:00.980" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20640" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="thats because I only gave one strategy, my personal strategy of giving the guy a kicking since he's no longer my boss, wouldn't be ideal in many locales and cultures." CreationDate="2019-10-30T16:59:28.480" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20641" PostId="6418" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling so what's more important, adhering to the rules relentlessly, or helping someone?" CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:01:31.730" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20642" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="@RichardU What's the point of rules if people don't follow them? If something's against the rules, it should be removed (closed / deleted). You're free to try to help them *as well* by pointing them somewhere more appropriate, posting a comment, posting an answer (before it's closed) or engaging with them in chat. If you're arguing that we should *change* the rules, or that this isn't against the rules to begin with, I disagree, but fair enough." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:06:45.743" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20643" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="I agree with @Dukeling. The question could be &quot;How do you forgive/let go/move on from a bully&quot; and would have the same &quot;Seek professional help&quot;, &quot;Get a hobby&quot;, &quot;Exercise&quot;, &quot;Give it time&quot;, etc. This is a moving on or mental health issue. That said, if someone has mental health expertise and wants to answer, go for it. While I don't think we should provide medical advice, that doesn't seem to actually stop anyone." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:11:32.643" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20644" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="@Dukeling What's the point in having laws if maximum sentences aren't universally given?  We have a bit of leeway, we have a bit of discretion, and someone is hurting.  We can bend the rules a bit from time to time to help someone." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:13:45.700" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20645" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="Rules are just soft guidelines, mods interpret them however suits them, SE interprets them whatever... etc,." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:13:49.463" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20646" PostId="6418" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere if we can help, we should help" CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:15:36.177" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20647" PostId="6418" Score="1" Text="I guess I don't see how the target question is any different than the one the same member posted earlier. https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/139892/post-toxic-workplace-blues That one is Closed as off-topic." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:15:38.870" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20648" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="@RichardU - thus we should never close any question. I'm okay with that." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:16:20.483" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20649" PostId="6418" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere - I think it is substantially different. That question is really open ended, and specifically says &quot;I'd like to hear from people who have been there&quot; which to me, is a trigger for off topic. This question states a specific goal and asks how to achieve it. To me, that's the difference." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:17:07.097" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20650" PostId="6418" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I have always been of the opinion that if it comes down to a decision to close, or help someone if we can, we should always err on the side of compassion." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:17:24.330" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20651" PostId="6418" Score="0" Text="@dwizum beat me to it.  The first one, the OP seemed a bit raw, but still, it could have been answered." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:18:13.183" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20652" PostId="6418" Score="0" Text="I think there's clearly a gray area around off topic close reasons. There's also a gray area around if this is actually a &quot;mental health&quot; issue or not. We have a lot of questions from people who express that they've been frustrated or angry for a long time, and those don't get closed." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:20:06.147" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20653" PostId="6418" Score="3" Text="@RichardU - I agree. However many still rush to close questions without ever attempting to answer or help in any way. I'm not sure why this particular question would be any different." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:22:00.120" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20654" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="@RichardU Unfortunately this leeway would apply to too many question askers, since people who ask for help usually need help. It would be comparable to completely ignoring all petty crime, because there are usually strong situational factors behind such crime (such as poverty). Of course locking people up for life also doesn't make sense. But then we're not banning people after having one of their questions closed, and we can still help them while closing the question, so I'm really struggling to understand your reasoning." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:29:42.577" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20655" PostId="6418" Score="0" Text="@RichardU &quot;What's the point in having laws if maximum sentences aren't universally given&quot; - did you mean &quot;*are* universally given&quot;? Because the opposite would be true for most countries." CreationDate="2019-10-30T17:43:14.173" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20656" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="@Dukeling Funny, I've been poor to the point of homelessness, and never found the need to commit crimes.  That said, if help isn't our primary concern, what is?" CreationDate="2019-10-30T18:15:53.547" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20657" PostId="6418" Score="3" Text="Help is our primary concern. I'm all for giving the benefit of the doubt to questions approaching the edge." CreationDate="2019-10-30T18:17:27.017" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20658" PostId="6418" Score="1" Text="@RichardU Comparably, I've had intrapersonal issues related to the workplace, yet I've found ways to deal with them other than asking an off-topic question here. We're here to help with a specific subset of problems. We have to draw the line somewhere otherwise we'd soon be helping create recipes for chefs, write code, apply for work visas, translate things, give legal advice, deal with serious mental health issues (often in dangerous ways, because most of us have no business advising on that) and whatever else. Maybe that makes sense under some philosophy, but it's not what we're doing here." CreationDate="2019-10-30T18:34:43.957" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20659" PostId="6418" Score="1" Text="@Dukeling the slippery slope is a logical fallacy.  It's not an either/or thing.  There is nuance, and there are gray areas.  Personally, I no longer vote to close any questions.  Some people put answers in the comments.  If we err on the side of closing things unnecessarily, we not only deprive that user, but any user with similar problems, of help" CreationDate="2019-10-30T19:23:32.200" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20660" PostId="6418" Score="1" Text="@RichardU I said &quot;We have to draw the line **somewhere**&quot;. We seem to be on the same page about that part at least (not that it seemed like this from some of your earlier comments), so I'm not sure what you're arguing about at this point. The only difference is on which side of this type of question we think the line should be drawn or how much leeway should be given. But frankly this seems so far outside our domain of expertise that I'm rather surprised anyone's even arguing about it (unless the argument were just to have come from the belief that we should close pretty much **nothing**)." CreationDate="2019-10-30T20:06:17.893" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20661" PostId="6418" Score="2" Text="@Dukeling I think if we can answer a question, we should.  Where I draw the line is if it's unrelated to TWP, or dangerous to answer.  Otherwise, I won't VTC.&#xA;&#xA;In cases where it's beyond a non-professional's ability to answer, we should still include a comment to seek professional help, even if we close it." CreationDate="2019-10-30T20:12:52.890" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20663" PostId="6418" Score="3" Text="Just want to say thanks to everyone for discussing in comments. It's always nice to see people willing to express their opinions on things like this in a helpful and respectful manner." CreationDate="2019-10-31T15:19:25.190" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20670" PostId="6418" Score="1" Text="@dwizum don't let the word get out.  Pretty soon people might start to think we are actually nice." CreationDate="2019-11-04T18:55:49.330" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20669" PostId="6422" Score="3" Text="I think your title is (was) hurting it." CreationDate="2019-11-04T17:36:17.937" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20674" PostId="6422" Score="0" Text="Are you going the improve the question? You've accepted Richard's answer here" CreationDate="2019-11-08T13:04:04.713" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="20675" PostId="6425" Score="2" Text="Thank you @Snow. If the goal is making the site more welcoming, wouldn't be easier to promote the policy of being nice to everybody? This seems to give space to rudeness with users that are not new - but this is just my 2¢." CreationDate="2019-11-12T08:53:23.127" UserId="68449" />
  <row Id="20676" PostId="6425" Score="4" Text="@GoncaloPeressupportsMonica - &quot;wouldn't be easier to promote the policy of being nice to everybody? &quot; - that's been done, too." CreationDate="2019-11-12T18:58:38.700" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20677" PostId="6425" Score="1" Text="@GoncaloPeressupportsMonica I don't see how saying someone is a &quot;new contributor&quot; can be rude or hurt someone's feelings... It's a notification asking users to be more kind and respectful towards users that, perhaps, don't know their ways on the site perfectly... why do you feel it is rude? Both new and &quot;old&quot; contributors can help others regardless of their time on the site..." CreationDate="2019-11-12T23:23:29.003" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20678" PostId="6425" Score="4" Text="@DarkCygnus I didn't say it's rude. I said that by having this tag in order to foment a better treatment to &quot;New Contributors&quot; it gives space to treat worst users that don't have the tag. Just found a nice [analogy](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/314598/362304) that reflects what I am saying." CreationDate="2019-11-13T08:58:01.940" UserId="68449" />
  <row Id="20679" PostId="6425" Score="1" Text="I see, now I get your point better" CreationDate="2019-11-13T15:32:07.567" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20686" PostId="6425" Score="4" Text="And the really weird thing is that, even after you have thousands of rep on the main site, the first time you ask or answer a question on the meta of the site you are again branded a new contributor on the meta. A little weird, but it goes away..." CreationDate="2019-11-15T15:14:32.303" UserId="38373" />
  <row Id="20692" PostId="6425" Score="1" Text="@JonCuster indeed. The counting starts from the moment that one shares a post (question/answer) on a new environment. And they consider each community a separate environment and each community is, basically, two different environments: meta and main site." CreationDate="2019-11-15T16:03:38.697" UserId="68449" />
  <row Id="20697" PostId="6425" Score="0" Text="Is it only me or others too still seeing the indicator live on 18th? (Whereas it should be gone by 15th..)" CreationDate="2019-11-18T05:55:53.417" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="20699" PostId="6425" Score="3" Text="@SouravGhosh Main and meta are treated as separate sites and this question was the OP's first meta post so they wear the NC tag on meta until later on today. It looks to already have gone on main." CreationDate="2019-11-18T09:53:30.703" UserId="38688" />
  <row Id="20681" PostId="6426" Score="1" Text="speaking as one of the voters, I voted to close that one because it is in essence a very specific coding problem. The convincing angle isn't really the dominant point here, from my read of it. Rather, the OP looks for arguments about floating point inaccuracies, not really specifically about the workplace problem. The reason is clumsy, I don't know why I didn't go for a custom one." CreationDate="2019-11-14T14:17:55.103" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="20682" PostId="6426" Score="2" Text="@mag - okay. But closing for a reason that isn't appropriate punishes the OP, but doesn't help anyone with fixing the question to make it better." CreationDate="2019-11-14T14:35:00.673" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20683" PostId="6426" Score="1" Text="I guess when I was looking at it the guidance I was looking for was &quot;too specific and focusing on non-workplace content&quot;. Of course, I could have typed up a custom reason but didn't. Mea culpa. As Snow says, there's a salvageable workable element in that question, so if it can be edited to remove the fluff, I'd be happy to vote to reopen, albeit that should come from OP as it is a serious edit and might be percieved as changing their intent." CreationDate="2019-11-14T14:43:40.163" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="20684" PostId="6426" Score="1" Text="@mag if you feel a question is going to get closed regardless there's nothing wrong with writing an edit (even if it's a substantial one) and leaving a comment indicating that the OP can always rollback if they feel it's too far from their intent." CreationDate="2019-11-14T14:53:45.917" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="20685" PostId="6426" Score="2" Text="After reading the excellent answers I agree, vtro" CreationDate="2019-11-14T19:23:51.697" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20689" PostId="6426" Score="1" Text="I voted too. And it's open." CreationDate="2019-11-15T15:29:20.357" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20690" PostId="6426" Score="0" Text="I don't think edits to &quot;remove fluff&quot; should happen to questions like this. It's hard to do that without making the question super-generic and removing the context. Instead, I think we can just answer the on-topic workplace aspect of the question in context to the technical nature. Of course, the issue is that some people will always just address only the technical side, but I don't see a problem with having those answers mixed in with answers that address the people/workplace/&quot;convince your boss&quot; aspects." CreationDate="2019-11-15T15:31:14.073" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20691" PostId="6426" Score="2" Text="Workplace issues are never without context - the workplace is a means to an end. We will never be able to have &quot;pure&quot; questions like some other SE sites have. You can have a pure question about physics, or cooking, or space exploration. But there really isn't such a thing as a workplace question that doesn't have at least some degree of off-topic context. It's a gray area but personally, I find questions have more applicable value when that context is left intact (even if it is potentially distracting). Making questions too generic makes them harder for non-regulars to recognize them." CreationDate="2019-11-15T15:33:46.080" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20687" PostId="6427" Score="0" Text="*There is an underlying human/interpersonal question here, but because the question is heavily technical in its wording, people are being distracted away from it.* Agreed. And that's a valuable question. When situations like this come up, regardless of the tone in the question (technically oriented vs people oriented) I think we always have an opportunity to answer the &quot;people question&quot; and add value. A question having two potential avenues for answers doesn't make it off topic just because one of the avenues is on topic and one isn't." CreationDate="2019-11-15T15:23:32.527" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20688" PostId="6427" Score="0" Text="Here's another question (which is open, for now) with the same situation present. It's asking a question that is technical in nature, but the real underlying struggle is basically &quot;I want to convince someone else that my viewpoint and proposed change are correct:&quot; https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/148016/coworker-thinks-code-review-cost-too-much-time" CreationDate="2019-11-15T15:26:33.340" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20693" PostId="6429" Score="3" Text="seems reasonable... vtro" CreationDate="2019-11-15T16:37:36.873" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20694" PostId="6429" Score="2" Text="Agreed, its open now." CreationDate="2019-11-15T16:53:14.913" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20695" PostId="6430" Score="2" Text="no idea why it was closed vtro, one more needed" CreationDate="2019-11-15T19:43:46.297" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20696" PostId="6430" Score="3" Text="I already voted to reopen this question. It's got 7 answers so far. That seems to imply that at least 7 people didn't find the question &quot;too broad&quot;." CreationDate="2019-11-15T20:54:33.810" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20698" PostId="6432" Score="6" Text="related: [Is 'Quit your job' an acceptable answer?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1692/168)" CreationDate="2019-11-18T09:20:06.410" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="20700" PostId="6432" Score="6" Text="I haven't noticed this being more common than it always was. I rarely advise people to quit without exploring other options" CreationDate="2019-11-18T12:30:15.287" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20701" PostId="6432" Score="7" Text="Can you point out a few of the recent questions that have only &quot;quit your job&quot; answers, but deserve better? I haven't seen any recent trend, but I may be missing it." CreationDate="2019-11-18T14:16:58.917" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20710" PostId="6432" Score="2" Text="Literally came here to post the same thing!" CreationDate="2019-11-19T06:41:27.497" UserId="65683" />
  <row Id="20726" PostId="6432" Score="3" Text="If you want a significant raise from an employer who doesn't give them out, which constitutes a good portion of the questions on here, then looking for another job is usually the only option to get you what you want. If nothing else, having other options emboldens you to assertively ask for a raise. This is not a problem with the site, but a problem with our society." CreationDate="2019-11-19T22:22:52.080" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="20741" PostId="6432" Score="0" Text="I think the answer is not to just say &quot;quit your job&quot; but lay out the clear reasons why the OPs situation is one that should push them over the edge in that company" CreationDate="2019-11-20T13:04:48.943" UserId="105591" />
  <row Id="20786" PostId="6432" Score="0" Text="@StephanBranczyk I would argue that many people who come here looking for advice on a raise want a raise simply because they want a raise, and aren't getting one because they don't understand if they legitimately have a claim to one (other than they *really want* one) or how to explain their claim if it is legitimate. Even for these questions, I feel like there is value in an answer that describes how raises work, versus just saying &quot;if you want more money, get another job.&quot;" CreationDate="2019-11-26T14:03:28.013" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20788" PostId="6432" Score="4" Text="If the site isn't to your liking, you should find a different site.  (Heh, sorry, couldn't resist.)" CreationDate="2019-11-27T22:49:09.320" UserId="83339" />
  <row Id="20705" PostId="6435" Score="7" Text="Another important aspect is the fact that we are giving advice based on a very large number of potential outcomes (and often without all the pertinent info). Maybe the OP confronts his bullying manager, and the manager apologizes. Maybe the manager instead throws a tantrum. Maybe the manager apologizes, publicly shows remorse, but works to get the OP fired behind the scene. Maybe the OP has left out that he called the manager some bad things. Ultimately, if a situation is unbearable, everyone must be aware that punching out _is an option_. &quot;Just quit&quot; is never the full extent of a given answer" CreationDate="2019-11-18T20:29:17.980" UserId="43772" />
  <row Id="20706" PostId="6435" Score="1" Text="@AndreiROM Overall I agree, but I've had some situations myself when it was the only answer, but I will say it's **RARELY** the whole answer." CreationDate="2019-11-18T20:36:54.897" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20707" PostId="6437" Score="6" Text="mostly agree, but some people don't realize that they can, or should quit.  That's why I tell my burning out story when the subject comes up.  It should always be presented as an option, but not as the sole option unless things have degraded to the point where there really is no other answer." CreationDate="2019-11-18T20:38:43.933" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20711" PostId="6437" Score="1" Text="Richard's comment is of course valid, but &quot;start updating your resume&quot; answers just get so many upvotes...Or is &quot;start updating your resume&quot; different from &quot;quit your job&quot;?" CreationDate="2019-11-19T07:03:34.437" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20712" PostId="6437" Score="1" Text="Sorry, qualifying statement: I mostly only look at HNQ, where this is all probably most rampant" CreationDate="2019-11-19T07:13:08.387" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20714" PostId="6437" Score="1" Text="@Mars I think 'start updating your resume' means that the situation may degrade to the point of getting fired or having to leave because of active animosity against you." CreationDate="2019-11-19T11:26:20.590" UserId="53444" />
  <row Id="20715" PostId="6437" Score="1" Text="@Mars I try to include &quot;update your resume&quot; because it's better to do it before you need it for a few reasons....1)You're not panicked over needing to get it out ASAP....2)You have more time to think through your duties....3)You are still doing your duties and can note things as you go along....4)You can start sending it out while you still have a job." CreationDate="2019-11-19T14:03:34.920" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20716" PostId="6437" Score="1" Text="It’s the same thing (updating your resume). Belongs in a question about how to quit, not every single other question.  Again, it’s lazy repetition, as pretty much every work scenario can lead to either quitting or getting fired in extremis." CreationDate="2019-11-19T15:26:11.020" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="20722" PostId="6437" Score="4" Text="Disagree.  Sometimes it is a bad or lazy answer; sometimes it is the only answer.  Depends on the situation in the question.  So the solution should not be to ban it, but to vote it up or down.  Or counter it with your own answer." CreationDate="2019-11-19T18:15:42.670" UserId="17729" />
  <row Id="20766" PostId="6437" Score="1" Text="&quot;&quot;if not, quit&quot; is basically unhelpful and extraneous - advice no one needs&quot;  I disagree; often times people need to hear from an objective 3rd  party this advice. Its easy to think you're overreacting, or perhaps think something way out of line is normal, so hearing others who are detached say quitting is the best option is helpful." CreationDate="2019-11-24T17:57:20.657" UserId="3369" />
  <row Id="20791" PostId="6439" Score="4" Text="Yep. This is a fundamental problem with the topic of the site, because most of the time _those are your options_. There are some questions that require nuance, but frankly most don't. People come for confirmation that they're being mistreated (and usually it's pretty obvious), and then the only _solution_ we could provide is the same solution it is to everything else." CreationDate="2019-11-28T18:08:10.727" UserId="7260" />
  <row Id="20717" PostId="6440" Score="3" Text="I would VTRO if we somehow could rephrase the actual question to remove the &quot;How should I...&quot; part, as I feel it is highly *&quot;asking us to make a choice for OP&quot;*" CreationDate="2019-11-19T16:23:09.707" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20718" PostId="6440" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus the edit button is on the bottom, mr somebody :D" CreationDate="2019-11-19T17:02:18.480" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20719" PostId="6440" Score="1" Text="@RichardSaysReinstateMonica I know Richard :0) but I'm currently with a kinda critical task here at work... when I get free I surely will take an edit." CreationDate="2019-11-19T17:12:53.907" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20720" PostId="6440" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus No worries, just some friendly ribbing.  :D" CreationDate="2019-11-19T17:20:30.113" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20721" PostId="6440" Score="0" Text="I'm thinking about that sort of edit too. I feel like the acceptance of wording in situations like this is a little arbitrary. What about something like &quot;What strategies work in order to help me move on?&quot; Or, &quot;how should I respond to the employer's lack of explanation?&quot;" CreationDate="2019-11-19T17:22:18.497" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20724" PostId="6440" Score="0" Text="@dwizum I like your first option better (I try to avoid the &quot;should&quot; word as it happens to be a CV magnet...) I see the post was edited to a state I consider worthy of a VTRO... one more to go" CreationDate="2019-11-19T22:09:25.890" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20725" PostId="6440" Score="1" Text="vtro and its open" CreationDate="2019-11-19T22:20:40.627" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20747" PostId="6440" Score="1" Text="I still maintain that [questions exclusively about intrapersonal issues are off topic](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6418/done-reopen-request-how-do-you-forgive-let-go-move-on-from-a-bully-ex-employe#comment20632_6418). But more than that I feel this should be closed as a duplicate of one of the many canonical posts we don't have (which may simply ask how to handle failing a technical interview test and cover all aspects of that)." CreationDate="2019-11-20T20:08:26.540" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20752" PostId="6440" Score="1" Text="@Dukeling if it effects the workplace, then it's not exclusively an interpersonal issue, and the answers we give here would be shut down and deleted over there anyway." CreationDate="2019-11-21T14:18:33.567" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20753" PostId="6440" Score="0" Text="@RichardSaysReinstateMonica I meant **intra**-personal, not interpersonal, as in taking place inside the mind." CreationDate="2019-11-21T15:18:57.720" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20754" PostId="6440" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling sorry, went all dyslexic on that. one." CreationDate="2019-11-21T15:39:30.247" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20727" PostId="6442" Score="0" Text="I would prefer to let facts decide, not votes." CreationDate="2019-11-20T07:35:57.210" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20731" PostId="6442" Score="0" Text="Then present some? For someone who wants facts, you are very short on those. I interpreted the law I quoted. I'm not a lawyer, I might be wrong. But I'm not convinced, just because another &quot;not a lawyer&quot; on the internet says I'm wrong, without even citing sources other than &quot;I heard from my employer...&quot;. That's like saying the united robbers associated told me it's okay to be mugged. That's not facts." CreationDate="2019-11-20T08:15:24.310" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="20732" PostId="6442" Score="0" Text="I think I presented some, as a comment, on your post. But that's irrelevant--this post is to discuss the scenario where two parties are claiming &quot;facts&quot;, but there is no one readily available to determine which is fact." CreationDate="2019-11-20T08:23:08.870" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20733" PostId="6442" Score="1" Text="I that case, the concept of SE is to let the votes decide, because we trust them to be experts. Might not be the best solution, but it's the one we have." CreationDate="2019-11-20T08:31:58.183" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="20734" PostId="6442" Score="1" Text="I think truth should take precedent over votes. As a community, we have a responsibility to prevent the propagation of false knowledge. Note that I'm not attacking your answer (in this post). I fully believe that if your post is actually correct, then we should delete, or at least actively disprove ,the other posts." CreationDate="2019-11-20T08:38:48.823" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20735" PostId="6442" Score="0" Text="Who would be the final arbiter of what is &quot;correct&quot; and what needs to be deleted? I'm quite happy that there is no such overlord. I have a very similar answer about break times on another site and the answer with more votes is flat out wrong. Not &quot;see what the lawyer says&quot;-wrong, but like easily googleable wrong. But it still stands and it still has more votes. That's the nature of SE. Sometimes, the most helpful answer is not the one with the most votes." CreationDate="2019-11-20T09:08:27.890" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="20736" PostId="6442" Score="0" Text="So do we give up and accept the stupidity of mankind, or do we try to make the world a tiny bit better place?" CreationDate="2019-11-20T09:10:15.093" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20737" PostId="6442" Score="1" Text="I don't know who the arbiter is or should be, hence why I'm asking. Personally, I think this either should have been converted to a legal question, or the legality of it should have been ignored completely" CreationDate="2019-11-20T09:11:19.173" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20738" PostId="6442" Score="0" Text="I will make the world a better place by reading your latest comment on the matter and accepting the fact that I might be wrong (didn't have the time yet). I will not accept a random authority deleting my posts based on their understanding of the subject matter. If that happens, SE is dead and I'm gone. BTW: there are a few SE sites that work that way and I have turned my back on them. May they stew in what they think is &quot;right&quot;, I'd rather read all posts and decide that for myself." CreationDate="2019-11-20T09:36:36.880" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="20739" PostId="6442" Score="0" Text="I recognize that there is a lot of potential for that kind of moderating to go wrong. That's why I brought it up on meta! Sorry in advance for my link by the way. I may have understood who the source is!" CreationDate="2019-11-20T09:58:17.383" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20740" PostId="6442" Score="0" Text="PS, I also opened [this](https://law.stackexchange.com/q/46653/26309), to determine the answer once and for all" CreationDate="2019-11-20T10:03:06.637" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20742" PostId="6446" Score="2" Text="They are absolutely on topic.  But this stack is notoriously close-happy." CreationDate="2019-11-20T14:11:26.640" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20743" PostId="6446" Score="3" Text="I think part of the confusion was that the OP did not lead with the emphasis on ergonomics of the home office I edited it to make it the focus of the question" CreationDate="2019-11-20T14:18:27.970" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20748" PostId="6446" Score="0" Text="Question seemed valid to me" CreationDate="2019-11-20T21:02:17.583" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20744" PostId="6447" Score="3" Text="I edited it to make the focus more on the business/workplace aspect.  Like Joe, I think we close far to many questions, and I've stopped voting to close." CreationDate="2019-11-20T14:49:17.817" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20745" PostId="6447" Score="2" Text="I feel that it is on topic and should not be closed, and @RichardSaysReinstateMonica your clarifying edit will hopefully make that clear to others as well. It is one vote away from closing, so unfortunately, we are on the brink of needing to VTRO." CreationDate="2019-11-20T17:49:26.530" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20746" PostId="6449" Score="4" Text="agreed.  The close happy crew is getting annoying." CreationDate="2019-11-20T17:56:38.963" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20749" PostId="6449" Score="2" Text="I appreciate everyone's feedback. I'm marking this one as the answer because I think your point about a workplace not even having to be an office would be most convincing to someone who thinks otherwise." CreationDate="2019-11-21T05:07:45.053" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="20755" PostId="6451" Score="1" Text="[Then I think we failed](https://law.stackexchange.com/a/46666/26309), as the #1 answer's two main premises (one already edited out for being wrong) are incorrect." CreationDate="2019-11-22T00:06:48.960" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20756" PostId="6451" Score="0" Text="@Mars then you comment on that answer, flag it, or provide one of your own, making a stronger argument for why you are right." CreationDate="2019-11-22T13:43:05.797" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20757" PostId="6451" Score="0" Text="@RichardSaysReinstateMonica Do you honestly believe that an argument in the comments will undo the 120+ upvotes given during HNQ time, while showing incorrect info?" CreationDate="2019-11-22T17:22:34.260" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20758" PostId="6451" Score="0" Text="@Mars You can always provide an alternative answer.  I find that is the best bulwark against nonsense.  That's how I got all of these worthless reputation points, by assertively offering my own opinions in answers, supported by facts and examples wherever possible.  Then, you accept the fact that the community, not any single one of us, regardless of reputation, decides on the answer. As for what I believe?  Precious little.  I gave you several options, only one of which was commenting.  Chose which one works for you." CreationDate="2019-11-22T17:29:22.267" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20759" PostId="6451" Score="0" Text="@RichardSaysReinstateMonica Sorry, you did give me several options. I didn't want to flag it, because that would be the moderating that the poster of the answer said would make them quit SE outright. Instead, I chose to open a discussion which is yet to yield results that satisfy me. But it's a lesson learned for me--high votes does not equal factual correctness!" CreationDate="2019-11-22T17:33:25.087" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20760" PostId="6451" Score="1" Text="@Mars Oh, that's a lesson well learned, I can assure you.  SE is essentially a controlled mob. and I've learned several things:  1)The quality of answers for TWP tend to decay the further you get from US based IT work.  2)IT people tend to forget that competence in one area does not guarantee competence in another.  3)Advice for India is particularly atrocious.  4)Americans give bad advice to Europeans.  5)Europeans give bad advice to Americans." CreationDate="2019-11-22T17:39:26.777" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20761" PostId="6451" Score="2" Text="@Mars whenever I see a question related to blue collar work, or disabilities, I tend to jump in because many of those answers are ill advised.  This is really the best thing that you can do:  **jump in when your area of expertise is of use to counter the Dunning-Kruger  effect**  Other than that, not too much else to be done" CreationDate="2019-11-22T17:41:38.307" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20762" PostId="6451" Score="0" Text="@RichardSaysReinstateMonica I know you jump in and I usually read a question, go &quot;oh, this is definitely a Richard question, scroll down and find you with the top answer, or an answer rising quickly! I hope you don't get as discouraged as me :)" CreationDate="2019-11-22T18:06:19.830" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="20763" PostId="6451" Score="1" Text="@Mars You have a good deal to offer.  Don't be discouraged, just don't get caught up in the minutia.  It will only frustrate you." CreationDate="2019-11-22T19:59:51.977" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20764" PostId="6452" Score="1" Text="you probably lost rep acquired of two approved suggested edits (when edited posts were removed, following the removal of some user)" CreationDate="2019-11-23T19:03:10.507" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="20768" PostId="6452" Score="1" Text="@gnat is probably on the money here. If you check your [reputation history](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/users/8057/user13267?tab=reputation&amp;sort=time) you can see that you do have a number of +2s in addition to the standard association bonus. Two of those were presumably lost when the user was removed." CreationDate="2019-11-24T22:11:51.600" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20769" PostId="6452" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal did that remove their post as well?" CreationDate="2019-11-25T00:20:01.573" UserId="8057" />
  <row Id="20780" PostId="6452" Score="1" Text="@user13267 naturally, thus why you got the -2... in other news, I've been getting several &quot;user has been removed&quot; lately..." CreationDate="2019-11-25T22:17:52.513" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20785" PostId="6452" Score="1" Text="@user13267 There is a [distinction](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/88996/260382) between user deletion and destruction. The latter is rare for established users and will remove all of a users posts. The former is more common and IIRC will only remove negatively scored posts. (There is no way of determining which posts or which user was involved when you spot those deletions.)" CreationDate="2019-11-26T13:10:35.567" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20765" PostId="6453" Score="6" Text="snark.  He loves snark.  also, argue with other users as often as possible.  &lt;/sarcasm&gt;" CreationDate="2019-11-24T15:28:16.817" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20781" PostId="6453" Score="1" Text="A slightly older related post: [No more active ♦ moderators. How should we keep the site in order?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6333/no-more-active-moderators-how-should-we-keep-the-site-in-order)" CreationDate="2019-11-25T22:52:23.980" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20783" PostId="6453" Score="1" Text="Soneone's gotta say it...  Ready Player One?" CreationDate="2019-11-26T12:40:54.013" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20784" PostId="6453" Score="0" Text="@RichardSaysReinstateMonica I'm surprised that doesn't happen more really, (I think there was one months ago, but that's it). This is a handle I've used for years, and was born of my frustration at having to think up online names - so I stick with the &quot;default&quot;." CreationDate="2019-11-26T13:06:55.070" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="20787" PostId="6453" Score="0" Text="@PlayerOne I tend to change online handles quite often.  I've had &quot;The snark knight&quot;, &quot;Prince of Snarkness&quot;, &quot;Loki&quot;,  &quot;Batcat_dom&quot;, &quot;locrianlyric&quot;, &quot;Lokean&quot;, &quot;Twingrin&quot;, and many many more." CreationDate="2019-11-26T14:10:40.663" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20810" PostId="6454" Score="0" Text="It is never bad advice to tell someone to be prepared and have their options open" CreationDate="2019-12-04T17:52:12.750" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20767" PostId="6455" Score="1" Text="That's why it's important to specify a locale when asking a question." CreationDate="2019-11-24T18:54:30.560" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20774" PostId="6455" Score="0" Text="In Europe, they can mess with you in other ways.  The standard in Germany, for example is to take away duties and to basically make you miserable until you quit.  The best/worst I have ever seen is where they had someone sitting i an empty office with no computer and no phone." CreationDate="2019-11-25T18:14:33.000" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20792" PostId="6455" Score="0" Text="In Europe the culture of guaranteed jobs has not existed for at least a generation, if not two." CreationDate="2019-11-29T07:43:50.520" UserId="44976" />
  <row Id="20798" PostId="6455" Score="0" Text="@Rui F Ribeiro In many European countries it is still extremely difficult to lose your job, especially if unions, etc. are involved, unless the company overall is failing. Also, notice periods are often very much longer. As said, it is a very different culture to the US." CreationDate="2019-11-30T05:09:51.630" UserId="68760" />
  <row Id="20772" PostId="6457" Score="0" Text="Huh... I now don't see jmorg nor Jane on the mod page... only you and Lil... did I miss something besides the Monica situation? I recall that Jane and jmorg were still on that list even after the situation" CreationDate="2019-11-25T17:21:38.143" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20773" PostId="6457" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus Not sure about Jmorg, but Jane resigned her diamond." CreationDate="2019-11-25T17:45:44.130" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="20775" PostId="6457" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus MP is the last active mod." CreationDate="2019-11-25T18:16:58.230" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20776" PostId="6457" Score="11" Text="@RichardSaysReinstateMonica and yet another potential Movie title: The Last Mod" CreationDate="2019-11-25T18:27:38.640" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20777" PostId="6457" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus I'm going to meme that quite aggressively. :D" CreationDate="2019-11-25T18:56:05.137" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20778" PostId="6457" Score="0" Text="@RichardSaysReinstateMonica we've got the whole saga by now lol" CreationDate="2019-11-25T18:58:44.570" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20779" PostId="6457" Score="18" Text="{In best Don LaFontaine voice...}  In a world where moderators quit left and right, there remains one, **true** dedicated mod, determined to rebuild....  Battling against  the darkness, he is the light...  Against all the negativity, he stands alone..  He is.....  **MR POSITIVE**" CreationDate="2019-11-25T19:01:46.807" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20797" PostId="6457" Score="3" Text="All I see is Neo still trying to bend the spoon as he moves trending wiki comments to chat; hope the spoon gives up before he does" CreationDate="2019-11-29T20:11:14.087" UserId="108039" />
  <row Id="20886" PostId="6457" Score="1" Text="In the wake of [Monica and SE coming to an agreement on the 23rd](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/340906/update-an-agreement-with-monica-cellio?cb=1) then there may be two additional moderators back before long if SE takes their final step of reinstating Monica." CreationDate="2019-12-28T06:14:30.480" UserId="33698" />
  <row Id="20812" PostId="6459" Score="0" Text="I tend to post things in a black and white fashion because that's the way I think.  YMMV.  But I don't feel as if I've answered the question if I don't give a clear, decisive response.  Often, I frame things for the worst case scenario myself, because if you're ready for that, you're ready for anything." CreationDate="2019-12-04T17:56:32.087" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20789" PostId="6461" Score="1" Text="Answer to your question is, yes, that is why there are bathrooms at work because people need to take care of the downstairs business working there 8 hours a day. As to why that would be removed, because that sounds exactly like a shitpost" CreationDate="2019-11-28T05:04:46.093" UserId="91309" />
  <row Id="20800" PostId="6461" Score="1" Text="@VictorS If the question is answerable, then it is a fit for WorkplaceSE. Also, a quick google search of &quot;pooping at work&quot; reveals literally hundreds of articles about the subject, I added some examples to the OP. It's not such a trivial matter, especially for women, for whom it is socially unacceptable to poop at work (but still equally necessary as it is for men)." CreationDate="2019-12-01T02:29:03.740" UserId="111182" />
  <row Id="20802" PostId="6461" Score="1" Text="You didn't mention anything about it being gender related - that women are discouraged from pooping at work.  Although, as a woman, that is something I have never heard - that's on the level of the alleged Victorian idea that women don't fart.  Our bodies may have differences, but the digestive system is pretty much the same.  Perhaps if the question were more &quot;I've been told that, as a woman, I shouldn't poop at work, so what are reasonable options?&quot;  Although, the same answer &quot;everyone poops&quot; is the correct one." CreationDate="2019-12-02T21:32:01.280" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="20804" PostId="6461" Score="2" Text="Just a thought - in the interest of being helpful. Since you've googled and found hundreds of articles on this subject, perhaps you don't need a question any more after all? Sounds like you have plenty of reading." CreationDate="2019-12-03T14:05:20.393" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20821" PostId="6461" Score="1" Text="https://smile.amazon.com/Everyone-Poops-Taro-Gomi/dp/B0014JDSPU/" CreationDate="2019-12-07T02:20:36.007" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20822" PostId="6461" Score="1" Text="@notmySOaccount, One more thing. &quot;waiting in agony for a moment the bathroom is empty to unleash my turd.&quot; Do not wait until the bathroom is empty to do your business. Seriously, don't do that. Don't wait. Just do it. If you wait, you just make things weirder. And by that, I don't mean that you shouldn't take your time. By all means, take your time, but you know what I'm saying." CreationDate="2019-12-07T02:49:12.867" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="20790" PostId="6462" Score="4" Text="I voted to close for the same reason. I would have voted to delete if I was able to." CreationDate="2019-11-28T14:05:36.143" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="20799" PostId="6462" Score="1" Text="A quick google search of &quot;pooping at work&quot; reveals literally hundreds of articles about the subject, I added some examples to the OP. Clearly this is not a trivial subject. People treating it as &quot;no big deal&quot; or as an unimportant question are missing the point. (Also, the details you mention were necessary to reflect the urgency of the bathroom needs to prevent responses telling me to wait until I get back home. This is the most common suggestion from people I know IRL. &quot;Just wait until you get home.&quot; That's not possible.)" CreationDate="2019-12-01T02:27:31.013" UserId="111182" />
  <row Id="20811" PostId="6463" Score="0" Text="I picked the remain one but did it one time too many." CreationDate="2019-12-04T17:53:33.417" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20794" PostId="6464" Score="0" Text="[Astroturfing](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing) - &quot;the practice of masking the sponsors of a message or organization... to make it appear as though it originates from and is supported by grassroots participants. It is a practice intended to give the statements or organizations credibility by withholding information about the source's financial connection...&quot; [Happens sometimes at Stack Exchange](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/astroturfing)" CreationDate="2019-11-29T14:42:58.720" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="20795" PostId="6465" Score="2" Text="I didn't know that. Looks like people thought about it and found much better solutions that I could come up with." CreationDate="2019-11-29T15:36:23.317" UserId="111155" />
  <row Id="20796" PostId="6465" Score="3" Text="Setting those attributes is pretty much standard practice for any platform that allows users to post links, partly to foil attempts at SEO gaming - but also to prevent back-blow of low scoring links dragging your own page rank down." CreationDate="2019-11-29T19:17:10.037" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="20813" PostId="6468" Score="1" Text="Keep in mind what your goal in reopening it is. It was open for the better part of two days, received 6 positively received answers and the OP has accepted one of them. If you believe some facet of the question was not properly addressed, it might make more sense to ask a new question yourself. (To be clear, I don't mean to say that there's no point in improving this or other questions. This isn't [The First 48](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_First_48).)" CreationDate="2019-12-05T15:57:34.347" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20814" PostId="6468" Score="2" Text="I guess my point is, I don't think it's appropriate for a valuable question about an interesting subject to age out of on hold and get closed - even if the OP feels satisfied, I feel that part of our goal is to build a library of valuable questions and answers for others to use. Closing a question that could be a good contribution to that body of questions doesn't seem appropriate. I don't inherently think there's anything missing in terms of answers (although, maybe others do) and I don't have any additional question related to this myself." CreationDate="2019-12-05T16:00:43.123" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20815" PostId="6468" Score="4" Text="I voted to reopen. Far too many questions are closed." CreationDate="2019-12-05T16:43:05.163" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20817" PostId="6468" Score="1" Text="4 votes to reopen now, one more needed" CreationDate="2019-12-05T18:03:28.363" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20824" PostId="6471" Score="3" Text="Seems reasonable to me. It took me a few ticks to figure out what SE meant here." CreationDate="2019-12-07T20:10:05.197" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20825" PostId="6471" Score="3" Text="On the fence about this one. It's not a bad idea but there's something to be said for keeping the asking text concise in the (probably foolish) hope that people will actually read it. Unclear abbreviations do indeed come up here with some regularity but from what I've seen our community is quite good at editing in the unabbreviated form when it's potentially unclear." CreationDate="2019-12-07T23:09:48.030" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20826" PostId="6471" Score="0" Text="Currently everything in the help center is specific to the platform and how things work here. General workplace abbreviations wouldn't really fit there, it especially doesn't seem relevant to &quot;How to ask&quot;, the help center isn't very visible and most people don't ever go to the help center for any reason. It also doesn't seem like we have a particularly noteworthy problem with abbreviations (at least not workplace ones; we might have a slight problem with SE-specific ones like SE, OP, IPS, etc.)." CreationDate="2019-12-08T17:18:42.857" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20827" PostId="6471" Score="0" Text="If you want to add something like this, I would suggest creating a Meta post instead. It's not much more visible there, but it's still easy enough to link to, easier to edit, doesn't require mod or staff buy-in and doesn't (or shouldn't) distract from site rules." CreationDate="2019-12-08T17:24:04.500" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="20828" PostId="6473" Score="0" Text="I'm just concerned that the question might not be asked there.  Or that it might be considered impertinent.  That happened to me this weekend with another question: https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/339847/has-average-response-time-changed-since-the-firing-and-if-so-by-how-much.  I wonder if there's a way to somehow generalize and give a description of the type of company and function.  Maybe there's a general pattern." CreationDate="2019-12-09T06:07:16.173" UserId="48606" />
  <row Id="20829" PostId="6473" Score="2" Text="@aparente001 Even if there is a pattern, that still doesn't tell you anything about how this specific company you're looking at handles it. That's really why the company-specific close reason exists. Something you potentially could ask here is in the vein of &quot;*How do I determine what a company's overtime culture is?*&quot;" CreationDate="2019-12-09T16:15:25.653" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20830" PostId="6473" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - Thank you.  Do you think it would be more productive to include the name of the company I'm interested in, or would it be better to omit that?" CreationDate="2019-12-09T16:36:33.463" UserId="48606" />
  <row Id="20831" PostId="6473" Score="2" Text="@aparente001 including the name would make it company-specific, as mentioned in the answer. Lilienthal's suggestion is something that you could ask and be on-topic :)" CreationDate="2019-12-09T16:37:56.767" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20863" PostId="6474" Score="0" Text="Even though I would love a box that contains something like &quot;SE -&gt; Sex Exchange&quot; I doubt that is doable to program ..." CreationDate="2019-12-18T09:16:22.893" UserId="98893" />
  <row Id="20865" PostId="6474" Score="0" Text="@Imus It'd be possible if you had a list of abbreviations to start with. No idea where you'd get one comprehensive enough though. Your example would work if someone had added that abbreviation/phrase to whatever list was being used. (and it was sorted near the top somehow)" CreationDate="2019-12-18T15:10:10.093" UserId="107384" />
  <row Id="20869" PostId="6474" Score="0" Text="The abreviation lookup itself isn't the issue. Checking inside a browser text panel for known abreviations on the fly is what I'm doubting to be performant enough. It's technically possible seeing that google can do spellchecking in their docs, but that's google scaling ... I don't think if SE can afford to do it too." CreationDate="2019-12-19T07:17:56.013" UserId="98893" />
  <row Id="20870" PostId="6474" Score="0" Text="I imagine the list of abbreviations is short enough (small millions of entries, maybe gzipped) that it could be grabbed and processed locally by the browser." CreationDate="2019-12-19T09:23:39.273" UserId="107384" />
  <row Id="20867" PostId="6475" Score="1" Text="Keep in mind how much inline spelling checkers and auto-correct have to do with this.  They'll flag a spelling from a different locale the same as a true misspelling, so editors may not realize what they did." CreationDate="2019-12-18T17:51:27.037" UserId="26208" />
  <row Id="20834" PostId="6476" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the notice. I can not revert because of the rep limit (I could put it in a queue). Thanks for your statement and please understand that I did not want to attack you personally as I was pretty sure there was no intention to offend anyone in this case. Still I felt that this needed to be adressed." CreationDate="2019-12-10T09:00:12.377" UserId="90889" />
  <row Id="20836" PostId="6476" Score="1" Text="@KamiKaze I completely understand and no offense taken. We're part of a community, and discussion is a healthy thing." CreationDate="2019-12-10T10:12:22.007" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="20837" PostId="6476" Score="6" Text="Your &quot;personal choice&quot;? In the chat on the original question you said &quot;Neither of those are my first language, and so far I did not think it as a big deal to use either of them. I myself sometimes use those interchangeably.&quot;. I must say that your grasp of English is very impressive for someone who has learnt it as a second language! One of the subtleties of the various dialects, which might not be initially apparent, is that the differences in spelling are quite a big deal for a lot of native speakers. For example &quot;colour&quot; is **_wrong_** in the US, as &quot;color&quot; is **_wrong_** in the UK... [1/2]" CreationDate="2019-12-10T20:28:49.337" UserId="70164" />
  <row Id="20838" PostId="6476" Score="6" Text="...if you miscorrect one to the other, then you make the OP look like a bit of an idiot: someone who doesn't even know how to use their own language! In the case of the linked question, the OP really didn't need any extra help in that department - their situation already painted quite a picture :-D - so your edit did them a disservice, in my view. One thing that can help, if you feel like, is to add other dialects' dictionaries to your browser, so that correct spellings in other dialects won't get underlined in red. [2/2]" CreationDate="2019-12-10T20:32:38.543" UserId="70164" />
  <row Id="20840" PostId="6476" Score="8" Text="@AaronF As a matter of fact, English is my fourth language (in order of educational subject), and while I try my best, I cannot guarantee that I'm 100% correct at any time. Sorry for the confusion, but it was never intended, it's just something I made as a part of the whole edit. I thought communication is meant for communicating the concept / idea, not about exact grammar - at least, not on this site where we have diverse population. Anyways, apologies one again and now the change is reverted anyways." CreationDate="2019-12-11T07:13:48.543" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="20841" PostId="6476" Score="5" Text="@AaronF how is the third comment in anyway connected to the topic?" CreationDate="2019-12-11T11:13:16.483" UserId="90889" />
  <row Id="20842" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="In no way whatsoever - it's an aside, hence the parentheses - it was just something that popped into my head while writing the previous comments" CreationDate="2019-12-11T11:37:29.137" UserId="70164" />
  <row Id="20843" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="(as another aside: I don't understand why the downvote-o-tron has weighed so heavily in on this answer. Do up/down votes on Meta SE sites have different significance?)" CreationDate="2019-12-11T11:39:54.693" UserId="70164" />
  <row Id="20844" PostId="6476" Score="4" Text="@AaronF Yes, votes in meta usually shows agreement / disagreement." CreationDate="2019-12-11T13:17:08.140" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="20845" PostId="6476" Score="4" Text="@AaronF aren't you being more than a a bit harsh?" CreationDate="2019-12-12T21:40:37.397" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20846" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="@RichardSaysReinstateMonica I might be being, yes, though if I am then it's not due to malicious intent, let me assure you. I made a concerted effort to try and keep the tone of my messages light, respectful, and good-humoured. I really didn't want to have a go at Sourav for this, because I can see that he had the best of intentions. (To which message in particular are you referring, btw? If it's about the &quot;billion&quot; aside, then no, not sorry! But regarding the other two, then yes, please let me know if I inadvertently crossed the line with something I said.)" CreationDate="2019-12-13T01:58:44.437" UserId="70164" />
  <row Id="20861" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="I write in Australian English (very close to UK English). I prefer to read UK English than US English because some spellings and grammar are wrong or sound very different from what I'm used to. I understand I have no right to change another person's correct spelling and grammar (where they come from). What's more disconcerting than US English is a mixture of UK &amp; US English. However, you have to be careful because Canadian English is in between US &amp; and UK English! You have no personal choice in another user's correct spelling. It _is_ a big deal!" CreationDate="2019-12-17T13:44:53.660" UserId="28989" />
  <row Id="20868" PostId="6476" Score="1" Text="I went ahead and edited your answer. Not my intention to imply there was anything wrong with it, just my personal choice. Feel free to revert if you feel." CreationDate="2019-12-18T20:07:36.077" UserId="66099" />
  <row Id="20872" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="I think it's unfair to be negative towards Sourav for this, I've often caught myself nearly correcting someones AmE whilst editing a post. I'm assuming it wasn't the main reason for the edit. It's especially easy to do without thinking when you have spell check set one way or the other" CreationDate="2019-12-19T12:44:44.897" UserId="105591" />
  <row Id="20877" PostId="6476" Score="1" Text="It seems wrong to edit a correct spelling to the same word in a different dialect just because of personal preference." CreationDate="2019-12-23T08:40:58.430" UserId="66977" />
  <row Id="20878" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="@John_ReinstateMonica Seriously, what is wrong with you all folks? Once again, I'm repeating: I made the edit because I tried improving the post, and the choice of the spelling was my own - **I did not make the change only to enforce my personal choice on the spelling**. I will seriously re-consider editing posts going forward." CreationDate="2019-12-23T09:44:00.693" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="20880" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="@Sourav Perhaps I misunderstood your point from your answer in this Meta question, but it sounded very much like you edited the spelling out of personal preference. Your latest comment sounds like that isn't the case." CreationDate="2019-12-24T05:20:47.527" UserId="66977" />
  <row Id="20881" PostId="6476" Score="0" Text="@John_ReinstateMonica Thanks for the response, and sorry for appearing a bit impatient in my previous comment. The point is, as I mentioned, I'm not a native English speaker, and neither am I inclined to enforce any particular language type. I was making the overall edit as usual, and part of that was changing the spelling in question. I unknowingly followed the standard guideline (as mentioned in the highest voted answer), but again, it was not to enforce any one dialect over the other. The choice of spelling was my choice, but the intention was not to change the dialect. That's all." CreationDate="2019-12-24T05:43:27.537" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="20835" PostId="6477" Score="4" Text="Thanks for the reference and I think the guideline is sensible. I would argue a rejection of the edit is not necessary, still I would restore the original spelling." CreationDate="2019-12-10T09:07:40.173" UserId="90889" />
  <row Id="20858" PostId="6479" Score="11" Text="While funny, this statement is factually incorrect. British English has changed just as much as American English has since the day they were separated!" CreationDate="2019-12-16T10:40:25.577" UserId="711" />
  <row Id="20860" PostId="6479" Score="0" Text="Am I making a mistake when I say &quot;armour&quot; then? Or is it the other way around? I'm confused." CreationDate="2019-12-16T11:58:05.933" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="20873" PostId="6479" Score="0" Text="It's pickle, not gurkin. Get it right, brits." CreationDate="2019-12-19T13:01:51.390" UserId="25176" />
  <row Id="20874" PostId="6479" Score="1" Text="So I am from New Zealand, where English spelling (i.e., Office spell check) is closer to British English. However I prefer American English spelling, as it is closer to spoken (most) NZ/US/UK English. I.e., American English spelling has followed the spoken language evolution more closely. (That's my 10¢ anyway)" CreationDate="2019-12-19T18:46:28.890" UserId="21018" />
  <row Id="20876" PostId="6479" Score="0" Text="I feel conflicted about whether or not to upvote this. D:" CreationDate="2019-12-23T01:18:37.667" UserId="49382" />
  <row Id="20882" PostId="6479" Score="1" Text="@Qix &quot;Gherkin&quot;, not &quot;gurkin&quot;...  Which is a pickled cucumber, as opposed to a pickled onion, pickled egg, mixed pickles, lime pickle, South Asian pickle (&quot;achaar&quot;) or Branston pickle.  Gherkin are *a* pickle, but more specific." CreationDate="2019-12-24T08:41:06.183" UserId="83822" />
  <row Id="20859" PostId="6482" Score="4" Text="&quot;*I just hope asking the question...*&quot; What question exactly are you asking though? For starters: this is not a forum. We are a Q&amp;A site. I'm not sure &quot;crony capitalism&quot; comes into it anywhere nor should there ever be a need to specify your political leanings..." CreationDate="2019-12-16T11:00:03.557" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20879" PostId="6482" Score="0" Text="&quot;I think that we should all strive to create the best product and make sure our company works for all of us by doing so.&quot; This is not practical capitalism" CreationDate="2019-12-23T15:21:12.900" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20883" PostId="6482" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi I disagree. I think the best should rise to the top" CreationDate="2019-12-24T21:08:25.000" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="20884" PostId="6482" Score="0" Text="@What'sinaGoogleSearch it makes no difference what you think, fairytales aren't real life" CreationDate="2019-12-24T23:20:56.803" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20847" PostId="6483" Score="0" Text="Illuminating answer there. Why don't you want it discussed?" CreationDate="2019-12-15T20:23:02.580" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="20848" PostId="6483" Score="0" Text="My personal belief is that the best product for the consumer should be the product that gets to market. I think the stagnation of much of the tech industry has been because that principal has been forgotten." CreationDate="2019-12-15T20:25:44.057" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="20849" PostId="6483" Score="0" Text="@PeterDavidCarter - of course I never said that I don't want it discussed. I wrote  that we aren't a forum that deals with the relative merits of socialism versus capitalism. You could probably discuss it in Chat if you can find someone else interested." CreationDate="2019-12-15T20:25:52.630" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20850" PostId="6483" Score="0" Text="You don't want to discuss that because it might implicate you. SE in general makes sure there are rules that ensure only the things it wants discussed are discussed and the 'we're not a forum' idea only cuts to when certain things are unseemly, or the status quo don't like that idea they might be at issue." CreationDate="2019-12-15T20:27:24.277" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="20851" PostId="6483" Score="3" Text="@PeterDavidCarter - LOL! Have fun. I don't make the forum rules here." CreationDate="2019-12-15T20:27:57.857" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20852" PostId="6483" Score="0" Text="I'm building, with a small team, something to replace SE. We already have some industry backers." CreationDate="2019-12-15T20:28:48.093" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="20853" PostId="6483" Score="2" Text="@PeterDavidCarter - terrific! Let us know when it's done, where to find it, and what your rules are." CreationDate="2019-12-15T20:29:34.740" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20854" PostId="6483" Score="0" Text="Currently we're looking at early release within 2020, final quarter." CreationDate="2019-12-15T20:30:02.770" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="20855" PostId="6483" Score="0" Text="@PeterDavidCarter - great. Let me know if you want a Beta Tester. I've done a fair bit of that over my career." CreationDate="2019-12-15T20:31:49.487" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20856" PostId="6483" Score="0" Text="That's a nice offer, thanks :) I might just take you up on it" CreationDate="2019-12-15T20:32:09.990" UserId="48356" />
  <row Id="20857" PostId="6483" Score="0" Text="@PeterDavidCarter - please do. I was a QA professional for over 25 years. I enjoy testing." CreationDate="2019-12-16T02:23:12.370" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20866" PostId="6484" Score="0" Text="we rarely get these questions, often from trolls. Other is sufficient for how often it is used. You could however just flag it and a moderator will judge it" CreationDate="2019-12-18T15:55:31.593" UserId="83963" />
  <row Id="20871" PostId="6484" Score="0" Text="cross-site duplicate: [Blatantly off-topic for all](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/310575/165773) &quot;What is the reason to remove this option for high-rep users? I think it could be very useful in some cases...&quot;" CreationDate="2019-12-19T11:09:39.050" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="20875" PostId="6484" Score="2" Text="Not to get too far into the weeds, but I would argue that the second example is on topic for the workplace. A question like &quot;How to deal with *a person with X characteristic*&quot; is often highly dependent on the context in which you have to deal with them. For instance, the way I would deal with a crazy uncle I see once a year at the holidays would be very different than a crazy classmate at university versus a crazy coworker I have to actually work with every day." CreationDate="2019-12-20T15:20:17.120" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20889" PostId="6486" Score="1" Text="I agree with Joe - will there be a post with stats on new questions, new answers and accepted answers; community reputation earned; number of questions/answers earning &quot;good&quot; and &quot;great&quot; badges; number of bad questions/answers; and other things about the community contribution beyond moderation." CreationDate="2020-01-01T21:26:13.547" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="20890" PostId="6486" Score="0" Text="Most of that can be gleaned from public data; happy to assist there if you like @horuskol" CreationDate="2020-01-01T22:11:42.883" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="20891" PostId="6486" Score="2" Text="Question volume is visible in the [analytics](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/site-analytics) you can access with 10k reputation as part of the &quot;moderator tools&quot;. Actual moderators have some additional views available but I'm not sure we're allowed to share extracts of those." CreationDate="2020-01-02T15:39:10.117" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20892" PostId="6486" Score="2" Text="Oh well. I guess I don't understand the point of this posting." CreationDate="2020-01-02T20:38:46.863" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20893" PostId="6486" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I believe the point is really just to provide an overview of moderation activities throughout the year. We occasionally have people wondering what kind of volume a site is dealing with and posts like these are the only way to see some of that information. But I agree that this is mainly just data, not information. We could do some kind of trend work by looking at previous threads or bringing in the query tool but ultimately there's not too much to be learned from doing that. Moderation volume scales with the site and each has its own ratios in the end." CreationDate="2020-01-03T00:36:48.780" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20894" PostId="6486" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - I'm probably over-sensitive to this sort of thing. I worked for a boss who loved to publish lots of numbers just because they were easy. They provided no real value, and as far as I could tell nobody bothered to read them. Once he left the company, I got rid of most of the number, changed the reports to show trends, and provided commentary. It was a bit more work but was much better received." CreationDate="2020-01-03T00:40:39.803" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20895" PostId="6486" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I understand where you're coming from. I agree that a lot more could be done if the community team wanted to invest some time in building reports but I can't speak for them. I assume the above is a pretty easy report to run and gives some basic numbers with little effort. Similar comments were made over on the [main meta moderation thread.](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/341369/260382)" CreationDate="2020-01-03T00:45:06.027" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20896" PostId="6486" Score="0" Text="Since by far the biggest activity involves comments, the obvious &quot;management response&quot; to this report should be simply to remove the option to post comments. Or if that is too draconian, auto-delete all comments after 24 hours. The second step would be get rid of moderators, since they wouldn't have enough work to do, and they already have far too much capability to create trouble (ref one well known recent example)." CreationDate="2020-01-03T14:31:22.810" UserId="40357" />
  <row Id="20897" PostId="6486" Score="2" Text="FWIW, @Joe: the origin of this report was something I used internally years ago. That followed with something I would share with mods occasionally, then something I'd post around controversial elections, and then now something I just post yearly because it's easier to point to a URL when someone has questions than it is to post this stuff in chat umpteen times throughout the year. I honestly don't know how many people find it interesting for its own sake; I kinda look at it like water co-op budget numbers: I don't care about them at all until they wanna raise my bill, then I wanna know why." CreationDate="2020-01-05T02:15:56.877" UserId="115" />
  <row Id="20898" PostId="6486" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Did you ever go through ITIL training?  Makes your point:  Data is not information.  Or as a mentor of mine liked to say &quot;The map is not the territory&quot;" CreationDate="2020-01-05T07:30:36.920" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20899" PostId="6486" Score="1" Text="@RichardSaysReinstateMonica - No, I never went through ITIL training. I'm old. I worked in the business for many years. I've read many reports - some useful, some not. Back while the Earth was still cooling, I ran an IT department that produced a ton of printed reports. While reviewing the paper budget, I decided to run an experiment. I withheld one several-hundred-page paper report from all of the recipients (about 30). If they called asking for their report, I sent it. That way, I would learn who actually needed the report. Only 2 called. The report was a waste of time and money." CreationDate="2020-01-05T12:41:46.257" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20900" PostId="6486" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I imagine you would enjoy this  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg" CreationDate="2020-01-05T14:49:04.923" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20911" PostId="6487" Score="4" Text="it's probably the beard.... always get downvotes if your pic has a beard" CreationDate="2020-01-14T05:56:45.687" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20901" PostId="6488" Score="0" Text="Thank you for clarifications. And in your words I see another point, favoritism of native speakers. If post is hard to read maybe some comments for clarification will improve the situation :)" CreationDate="2020-01-06T11:02:25.643" UserId="113241" />
  <row Id="20902" PostId="6488" Score="0" Text="@Romeo - that is true. When downvoting for a specific reason, it can be very helpful to leave a comment as to why, especially for new members of the community. However, comments are not mandatory, so without them a downvote just means &quot;this answer is not useful&quot; as per the tooltip" CreationDate="2020-01-06T11:06:38.173" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="20903" PostId="6488" Score="0" Text="And one more point. Because downvotes happen in less than minute there is (IMO) very low probability two or tree persons did it" CreationDate="2020-01-06T11:10:11.817" UserId="113241" />
  <row Id="20904" PostId="6488" Score="2" Text="These things are always possible, but seriously, don't worry about it - you have a total of 4 upvotes and 3 downvotes give you a net gain of 34 points (+10 for upvote, -2 for downvote)" CreationDate="2020-01-06T11:12:50.090" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="20906" PostId="6489" Score="5" Text="@solarflare I'm amazed that I haven't managed to earn a ban yet. I must be losing my touch." CreationDate="2020-01-09T14:10:03.580" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="20912" PostId="6489" Score="3" Text="Time to update: [Thank you, Shog9](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/342031/thank-you-shog9)" CreationDate="2020-01-14T16:18:48.317" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="20925" PostId="6490" Score="3" Text="Any post that starts out with *'I created a sock puppet...'* is a waste of time to answer unless it's gone viral and is now going to be difficult to delete. '+3' is not viral." CreationDate="2020-01-19T21:11:41.043" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="20926" PostId="6490" Score="3" Text="@Mazura Fair point for deletion purposes. Still, I was under the impression second accounts were &quot;acceptable&quot; on SE so long as they weren't used for vote fraud or other cross-account actions. Per the accepted answer, the line was crossed. I don't have much participation in SE sites that are more likely to need these kinds of sock puppet accounts, but I can understand why they are made. I will keep this in mind though." CreationDate="2020-01-19T21:24:33.820" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="20927" PostId="6490" Score="0" Text="I think leeway is given (and should be), but it always violates the ToS afaik." CreationDate="2020-01-19T21:26:24.693" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="20913" PostId="6491" Score="0" Text="Interesting. When I see it, there's an &quot;edited Jan 9 at 21:00&quot; link that takes me to a page not found, so I cannot see the revisions. Are you able to see a later revision?  Also, I imagine most remedies normally used for self-post vandalism(if that's the case here) would normally be beyond the privileges available at my rep level." CreationDate="2020-01-15T09:46:04.467" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="20914" PostId="6491" Score="0" Text="Yeah I believe you need 10k to see the &quot;deleted&quot; content - your screen shot shows the original revision, that latest Jan 9 version is short bears very little relation to the original and definitely doesn't contain a question." CreationDate="2020-01-15T09:50:00.973" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="20915" PostId="6491" Score="0" Text="Hrm, well the [answer I posted](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/151092/46140) was on Jan 11. The screenshot is the version I see when I go to the question link right now. Maybe there was some edit or version that led to the deletion that I can't see. There was at least one other answer I remember seeing at around +8 in score, so it seems like the question and answers were received positively. Would be too much to request un-deletion? It's not my question, but it feels like a loss of potentially useful material." CreationDate="2020-01-15T10:02:49.910" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="20916" PostId="6491" Score="0" Text="Not sure why you saw (and continue to see) the older version tbh - some caching screw up possibly. The post is deleted and locked by the community &quot;mod&quot; so I'm unable to vote to undelete, only a mod can." CreationDate="2020-01-15T10:15:37.710" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="20921" PostId="6491" Score="0" Text="The edit history does seem messed up. Usually, with an edit, you can look from one revision to the next and the marked up changes show all the differences. With this question, it appears as if there are major jumps in the edit history - if you take the first revision and apply the marked up changes, then compare that to the *before* state in the second revision, they're totally different. It also has two separate &quot;post deleted by community&quot; entries in the history, which I've never seen before. Maybe I should ask a separate question to explain this" CreationDate="2020-01-15T18:21:05.127" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20918" PostId="6492" Score="0" Text="I had a sneaky suspicion along these lines, but only after the deletion. I didn't want to make any assumptions. Thanks for the clarification in this specific situation. I am guessing un-deletion would undo the behind-the-scenes work that is needed in this case. C'est la vie." CreationDate="2020-01-15T13:14:24.573" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="20919" PostId="6492" Score="3" Text="*&quot;Typically we encourage good faith interaction with all posts on the site.&quot;* - Key aspect here :)" CreationDate="2020-01-15T16:49:16.657" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20920" PostId="6492" Score="1" Text="*Typically we encourage good faith interaction with all posts on the site.* I wish that appeared in bold at the top of every review queue, and next to the vote to close button." CreationDate="2020-01-15T18:17:07.367" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20922" PostId="6492" Score="1" Text="@BoogaRoo If you think the question can be salvaged we could undelete it, but given the amount of work that would probably be involved in turning a question this specific into something of general value it would probably make more sense to post a new question on the topic yourself." CreationDate="2020-01-15T18:37:31.850" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20923" PostId="6492" Score="3" Text="I had considered trying to salvage it, but the amount of effort to write up a legitimate scenario with my own experience wasn't worth it. Even my answer was rather limited in scope and I'm fine with it staying deleted. I was more interested in finding out what I &quot;missed&quot; when I found the question deleted as spam/offensive. This answer explains it nicely, so I consider the matter closed." CreationDate="2020-01-15T21:45:42.947" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="20924" PostId="6492" Score="3" Text="@BoogaRoo And thank you for the due diligence in following up and flagging this discussion for our attention. :)" CreationDate="2020-01-16T09:41:53.670" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="20928" PostId="6493" Score="1" Text="I flagged a few, hoping a mod could stop him" CreationDate="2020-01-23T02:19:10.387" UserId="584" />
  <row Id="20929" PostId="6493" Score="0" Text="well the account has been suspended for 7 days, So i guess we have to wait??" CreationDate="2020-01-23T03:49:17.240" UserId="97895" />
  <row Id="20930" PostId="6493" Score="0" Text="Surprisingly, there's no pattern...some of the recent answers are intact, and some older are defaced...I guess it has to do with the licensing policy change...but I guess Gregory can only answer (once the suspension is over). I'm a bit surprised...they seemed to appear very reasonable to me thus far." CreationDate="2020-01-23T05:55:11.227" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="20931" PostId="6493" Score="9" Text="This looks like some kind of protest, funny really as if they really wanted the answer to be less viewable, they would have been better off deleting it rather than editing the post. I'm of the belief we should rollback the edits, but will await community consensus" CreationDate="2020-01-23T07:26:25.447" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="20932" PostId="6493" Score="9" Text="I also think we should roll back the edits. Also, holy frontpage spam." CreationDate="2020-01-23T08:06:39.243" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="20933" PostId="6493" Score="0" Text="@Magisch I agree and I think it would be better to do it now, while they're still on the front page, rather than waiting for a bunch of newer or active questions to push them off and then bumping them all back onto the front page again. (FWIW, I rolled one back before I realized there were a bunch of these.)" CreationDate="2020-01-23T08:26:46.893" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="20938" PostId="6493" Score="22" Text="I'm not sure we should be the ones to do it. I don't have any interest in being named in a future lawsuit about copyright infringement by restoring that content. I realize this sounds silly, but I don't wanna go anywhere near that." CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:36:42.260" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="20942" PostId="6493" Score="0" Text="It is indeed a protest at best. If you disagree with licensing then Gregory could've just deleted his answers, which would also remove the edit history and so on. As it it's just vandalism, and I've taken the action to undo it (although without noticing this post, but my view stands - if Gregory wants his answers down, remove them, not vandalize previously accepted posts for visibility, ruining the experience for others in the process.)." CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:47:38.493" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="20953" PostId="6493" Score="5" Text="@TymoteuszPaul I would have recommended waiting for the community's consensus before rolling back the answers. It's possible the community would have gone with a different choice then what you have selected to do." CreationDate="2020-01-23T12:12:16.147" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="20954" PostId="6493" Score="5" Text="@Draken I don't disagree with that now that I know this is a matter of bigger debate. But also as it has already been done, undoing it would pollute the front page again, it is what it is now I fear." CreationDate="2020-01-23T12:14:32.417" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="20955" PostId="6493" Score="0" Text="@TymoteuszPaul Agreed, let's see what the community decides for the next steps :)" CreationDate="2020-01-23T12:15:41.537" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="20960" PostId="6493" Score="0" Text="@TymoteuszPaul You cannot delete accepted answers." CreationDate="2020-01-23T15:33:33.580" UserId="113825" />
  <row Id="20966" PostId="6493" Score="2" Text="You can't really delete *any* answer in the sense of permanently destroying it. &quot;Deleting&quot; your own answer just makes it visible to less people (only people with enough rep to see deleted answers), stops new activity on it (new comments can't be added, etc.), and floats it to the bottom of the page. The content is still very much there, and un-deletable." CreationDate="2020-01-23T18:38:16.277" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="20980" PostId="6493" Score="2" Text="Maybe dumb suggestion (IANAL), but could you roll back **and** add a note at the bottom in `&lt;sub&gt;` tags saying _&quot;Answer © CC by-sa 3.0&quot;_? His protest and assertion of copyright remain there, but so does the content." CreationDate="2020-01-24T16:34:08.747" UserId="105525" />
  <row Id="21001" PostId="6493" Score="1" Text="Thank you for taking the time to roll back these revisions by the way @TymoteuszPaul" CreationDate="2020-01-26T12:45:12.870" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21085" PostId="6493" Score="6" Text="It is a protest, but it must be noted that SE is 100% in the wrong here—what they're doing is illegal. So the protest is warranted. Give an inch and they'll take a mile. Come on, we all know how horrible SE leadership is." CreationDate="2020-01-31T20:40:11.707" UserId="91988" />
  <row Id="20934" PostId="6494" Score="1" Text="Would you say that deletion is preferable to the manual edit? The edit removes an accepted answer and leaves a message that distracts from the other answers. This feels like an intentional dilution of SE's Q&amp;A format, done in protest." CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:17:55.110" UserId="97033" />
  <row Id="20935" PostId="6494" Score="32" Text="@TvZ `This feels like an intentional dilution of SE's Q&amp;A format, done in protest` Are you suggesting that it's OK when SE silently and apparently illegally re-licenses user content, but if the user then leaves a note of this, the user should be silenced as well? The quality of SE suffers from this, but the responsibility, cause and potential solution is on SE's side." CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:22:50.880" UserId="111775" />
  <row Id="20936" PostId="6494" Score="2" Text="@ig-dev Not at all. There is no excuse for SE's re-licensing and SE is worse off for it. To rephrase my question: Does the quality of the question and answers (and the value thus provided to other users) suffer more when Gregory deletes his answers outright, or when he edits as he did?" CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:29:18.507" UserId="97033" />
  <row Id="20937" PostId="6494" Score="6" Text="Just pointing out that this is not just a question of readability, but of ethics. @TymoteuzPaul seems to be convinced it's the right thing to roll back the edits using content that he has no license for, since that's what he is doing right now." CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:35:16.817" UserId="111775" />
  <row Id="20939" PostId="6494" Score="1" Text="@ig-dev if you don't want your answer posted, use the delete button, that's what it's there for. Defacing an accepted answer is not removing your work, it's still fully available via the edits and serves only to try to &quot;spread the message&quot; by the means gained through the answers." CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:43:46.140" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="20940" PostId="6494" Score="0" Text="@TymoteuszPaul An observation: The edits may be premature and may complicate matters: They could constitute sharing/redistributing under a compatible license, which was allowed under CC-BY-SA 3.0." CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:46:25.753" UserId="97033" />
  <row Id="20941" PostId="6494" Score="8" Text="@TymoteuszPaul You can't author content that you have no license for - you are the one posting it via copy and paste. Whether you consider this &quot;vandalism&quot; and want the user to use the &quot;delete button&quot;, or not. The latter is your personal opinion and doesn't grant you a right over the content" CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:46:47.847" UserId="111775" />
  <row Id="20943" PostId="6494" Score="0" Text="@TvZ Not true at all, even if I did copy-paste instead of pressing &quot;rollback&quot;, it wouldn't stand as sharding/redistribution, at least no more than Gregory's original defacing edit (which would also redistribute the edited-out content, if that's the way you want to look at it). You don't want your stuff, you delete it, it's fairly simple like htat." CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:49:08.733" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="20944" PostId="6494" Score="1" Text="@ig-dev We have the tools to rollback edits exactly for that, removal of vandalism, so I am not sure where your confusion comes from." CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:49:39.533" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="20946" PostId="6494" Score="4" Text="@ig-dev If you consider that SE acted illegally, act on that. There are many ways, starting with getting a written legal opinion from a lawyer and posting it here. Or if that's not enough, taking SE to court. Right now you are skipping quite a few steps and ruling &quot;guilty&quot; without needing a court, jury or even legal knowledge. Also insulting people who may disagree with your &quot;legal expertise&quot; along the way apparently." CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:55:04.793" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="20947" PostId="6494" Score="5" Text="I'm not interested in &quot;taking SE to court&quot;. You are aware now of the circumstances and can act on your own conscience. That's all I have to say. Good luck! @TymoteuszPaul" CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:56:37.083" UserId="111775" />
  <row Id="20948" PostId="6494" Score="4" Text="@ig-dev So you consider that SE does something illegal and wrong, but only enough to insult people who disagree, calling the minions, but not to actually take any meaningful action? Alright then, thanks for the &quot;morality lesson&quot;, I guess." CreationDate="2020-01-23T09:58:29.273" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="20990" PostId="6494" Score="10" Text="@TymoteuszPaul Your argument and justification for your action are all based on the belief that Gregory could have deleted their post, but this is false -- an accepted answer cannot be deleted. The correct course of action would be to request deletion by a moderator, and I think that in the time between flagging it and action being taken, it's completely within a user's rights to remove the content as best they can -- by editing it away." CreationDate="2020-01-25T04:53:27.733" UserId="36820" />
  <row Id="20991" PostId="6494" Score="0" Text="@Schism By your token, anyone from now on who is waiting for the moderator team to remove their content is perfectly in their right to pollute the front page by defacing possibly dozens of answers, making it unusable for everyone? That's just plain nonsense, and let's not pretend that this was just a place holder for Gregory and not a protest against alledgedly illegal change." CreationDate="2020-01-25T08:19:06.803" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21079" PostId="6494" Score="3" Text="&quot;My way or the highway&quot; would be more of an option than what [Stack Overflow, Inc.](https://stackoverflow.blog/2015/09/15/were-changing-our-name-back-to-stack-overflow/) gave its users in this change." CreationDate="2020-01-30T19:06:23.020" UserId="37509" />
  <row Id="21097" PostId="6494" Score="0" Text="Your statement that September of 2019 is the date the license granted by users changed is inaccurate. The CC BY-SA license granted under the Terms of Service for all user-supplied content changed from CC BY-SA 3.0 to 4.0 sometime between [2018-04-28](//web.archive.org/web/20180428081833/https://stackexchange.com/legal/terms-of-service) and [2018-05-02](//web.archive.org/web/20180502214336/https://stackexchange.com/legal/terms-of-service). From that time until September of 2019, SE was stating the wrong license on most of their pages (not that they're accurately stating the licensee now)." CreationDate="2020-02-03T05:41:05.087" UserId="27247" />
  <row Id="21098" PostId="6494" Score="0" Text="Given the Terms of Service (TOS) changes, the actual CC BY-SA license for user content within a page may be any or all of CC BY-SA 2.5 ([last day 2014-12-22](https://web.archive.org/web/20141222042817/http://stackexchange.com/legal/terms-of-service)), 3.0, or 4.0, depending on when the specific content was authored and/or edited. There's also another, separate, license granted to Stack Overflow for subscriber content which includes additional terms, which vary depending on which version of the TOS was in effect at the time the content was submitted." CreationDate="2020-02-03T05:41:41.903" UserId="27247" />
  <row Id="20949" PostId="6495" Score="4" Text="&quot;At the same time it's raising awareness of this issue. You can't just relicense stuff. That's not how it works.&quot; That needs a citation, copyright law, and licensing of user-provided content is extremely nuanced and complicated, and while I agree that morally they may be in the wrong, without a legal opinion in hand I wouldn't jump to conclusion that they've breached the law." CreationDate="2020-01-23T10:48:28.503" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="20950" PostId="6495" Score="0" Text="@TymoteuszPaul True. I only have a layman's understanding of content licensing." CreationDate="2020-01-23T10:49:42.793" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="20952" PostId="6495" Score="6" Text="@TymoteuszPaul I never claimed to be a legal expert. What I write is always my personal opinion. I encourage people to do their research, just like I do mine. I don't care to provide references frankly, the licensing issue is well-known, and also linked in the other answer." CreationDate="2020-01-23T11:10:45.993" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="20956" PostId="6495" Score="3" Text="*Deleting an answer removes the internet points.* In his case, that's untrue. You keep any reputation from answers who have been visible for more then 60 days at the time of deletion and who score +3 or higher." CreationDate="2020-01-23T12:41:07.627" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="20957" PostId="6495" Score="0" Text="@Magisch I was not aware, thank you for that" CreationDate="2020-01-23T13:49:18.567" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21000" PostId="6495" Score="5" Text="I tend to agree, if the chap doesn't like changes in licence he never agreed to then we shouldn't get involved, it's between SE and him" CreationDate="2020-01-26T09:25:44.630" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="20962" PostId="6496" Score="0" Text="Yup, looks like it: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6325/9549" CreationDate="2020-01-23T16:57:25.943" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="20961" PostId="6498" Score="4" Text="If it would require two different answers, then pose it as two questions. If not, one." CreationDate="2020-01-23T16:52:06.243" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="20964" PostId="6498" Score="5" Text="You can edit into this post your current draft/idea of your question, so we can take a better look at it and suggest if it should be one or two posts" CreationDate="2020-01-23T18:22:36.773" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20969" PostId="6499" Score="7" Text="*I would like to ask a moderator to kindly lift the delete limit from my account, if possible, to make the process faster.* The software doesn't permit mods to do this. *Alternatively, if a bulk-delete option is available, I'd be grateful if it was used.* I don't think a tool like this exists for high rep users (account destruction not applicable)." CreationDate="2020-01-24T12:10:59.793" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="20970" PostId="6499" Score="6" Text="Realistically speaking, I don't think you'll receive a reply from the SO team, the contact us tickets have been very slow for many months now, and that was before they fired some CMs, further stretching the team thin. I'm also no sure that they'll agree to your request, and I don't think the mods here will just let you delete your content or deface it. Standard procedure for something like that is a suspension for the user doing it." CreationDate="2020-01-24T12:12:28.587" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="20972" PostId="6499" Score="9" Text="Seems like you probably won't have a way of redress outside of obtaining a court order. If you're serious about this, it's probably best to contact a lawyer specializing in copyright law and see what exact recourse (if any) you have about this." CreationDate="2020-01-24T12:13:43.693" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="20978" PostId="6499" Score="9" Text="@rath You may get more attention from staff if you post this on Meta.SE, especially if it results in other users deciding to follow suit." CreationDate="2020-01-24T13:23:06.293" UserId="16983" />
  <row Id="20987" PostId="6499" Score="1" Text="Suggested Reading: [Was the retroactive change to CC BY-SA 4.0 approved by Stack Exchange's lawyers?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/333678/332286)" CreationDate="2020-01-24T22:17:47.497" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="20989" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="Can someone explain &quot;Unfortunately, we cannot grant your request.&quot;? As far as I can tell, even if everything they said was true, it'd mean that they aren't obligated to grant the request, not that they're forbidden from doing so." CreationDate="2020-01-25T04:48:56.850" UserId="2472" />
  <row Id="20994" PostId="6499" Score="4" Text="@AndrewGrimm It's a polite form of saying &quot;nope&quot;. Cannot grant your request doesn't have to mean that it's actually impossible." CreationDate="2020-01-25T11:59:42.117" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="20995" PostId="6499" Score="3" Text="Honestly, I can't understand what the big fuss is. Looking over 3.0 and 4.0 I can't see any substantive functional difference. Even the &quot;human-readable&quot; explanations provided by CC are identical. As far as I can tell, the main difference is slightly more specificity in 4.0. Perhaps it would have been better to implement the change in a strict by-the-letter fashion to appease legal pedants, but now someone has even started a gofundme to get lawyers involved. All because the previous license was &quot;sloppily&quot; replaced with an effectively identical (albeit different) license? Really?" CreationDate="2020-01-25T13:31:36.780" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="20997" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="@teego1967 really? They should get legal advice first, as collecting money without that sounds like a good way to scam people as it is." CreationDate="2020-01-25T19:11:03.223" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="20998" PostId="6499" Score="6" Text="@TymoteuszPaul, 3.0 and 4.0 are effectively identical. What's the big deal? I simply don't understand. I've long known that many on here are sticklers for rules, but this seems soooo far out in terms of pedantry." CreationDate="2020-01-25T20:44:50.803" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21041" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="Can we please have a TLDR section for those who are not familiar with all this licensing stuff?" CreationDate="2020-01-29T07:33:55.000" UserId="105295" />
  <row Id="21042" PostId="6499" Score="1" Text="Unless a class-action is filed, you are, unfortunately, tilting at windmills." CreationDate="2020-01-29T14:28:03.013" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21046" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="@rath, I can't fathom how you see a slight, truly negligible, change in license as &quot;a violation&quot; rather than as a simple forgivable oversight, unless you have some kind of axe to grind with SE corporate." CreationDate="2020-01-29T22:59:59.287" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21049" PostId="6499" Score="3" Text="@teego1967 The beauty of the law is that it doesn't care about your feelings." CreationDate="2020-01-30T10:35:02.617" UserId="44593" />
  <row Id="21050" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="@IanKemp, nor is the law a computer language subject to absurdly rigid interpretation by human compilers. I got no skin in this game other than getting an understanding of these sentiments. Ironically, my feelings of disbelief are small compared to the latent resentment/anger I'm detecting in those who (I suspect) are pretending to have an issue with  license conformance trivialities." CreationDate="2020-01-30T11:16:50.763" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21065" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="@rath, the other day I was passed by a cop car doing 36 mph in a 35 mph zone. They &quot;violated&quot; the speed limit agreement with me which they themselves establish and enforce, should I have pursued them and performed a citizen's arrest? No, and by the same token and perhaps even more justifiably since &quot;the terms&quot; are identical between 3.0 and 4.0, it simply is not a big deal to switch from 3.0 to 4.0 without permission. If it were, instead, a transition from 3.0 to private copyright, sure, you would have a reason to be angry for the license change alone." CreationDate="2020-01-30T14:35:56.420" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21066" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="@rath, it's sort of like a couple having a thermonuclear, divorce-invoking argument about dirty dishes. Was the argument really about dirty dishes alone? No, the dishes are a proxy for a much deeper-seated problem. Couples who have this argument and work through it discover that it's better to address the real stuff directly rather than invoke trivialities that skirt the issue. I see the CC BY-SA x.0 stuff as a triviality that masks a &quot;real&quot; problem that needs to be addressed directly." CreationDate="2020-01-30T14:40:07.380" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21067" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="@rath, or perhaps you really are a stickler for _all_ the fine print in all license agreements. That's hard to believe." CreationDate="2020-01-30T14:44:15.190" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21076" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="Let us [continue this discussion in chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/103898/discussion-between-rath-and-teego1967)." CreationDate="2020-01-30T15:26:39.623" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21078" PostId="6499" Score="1" Text="See also: https://www.gofundme.com/f/stack-exchange-relicensing" CreationDate="2020-01-30T16:57:42.607" UserId="37509" />
  <row Id="21082" PostId="6499" Score="2" Text="StackExchange is just evil at this point. Whoever in the executive staff that is fucking up _this badly_ needs to be fired. What you should do is hire a lawyer and go after them. You will win." CreationDate="2020-01-31T20:33:41.017" UserId="91988" />
  <row Id="21089" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="@ApologizeandreinstateMonica, that's far, far, FAR from a given. Tech people have a libertarian streak which tends to lead them to believe that laws and courts operate like deterministic clockwork, where if a contract/license is violated it automatically implies predictable consequences. It ain't so! Intent and tangible harm are always considerations." CreationDate="2020-02-01T16:25:03.147" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21090" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="How about suing Stack Exchange Inc. for copyright infringement? Maybe your legal expenses insurance even covers copyright infringement, if you have one." CreationDate="2020-02-01T20:38:47.227" UserId="12832" />
  <row Id="21095" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="Your statement that 2019-09-05 is the date the license granted by users changed is inaccurate. The CC BY-SA license granted under the TOS for all user-supplied content changed from CC BY-SA 3.0 to CC BY-SA 4.0 sometime between [2018-04-28](//web.archive.org/web/20180428081833/https://stackexchange.com/legal/terms-of-service) and [2018-05-02](//web.archive.org/web/20180502214336/https://stackexchange.com/legal/terms-of-service). From that time until September of 2019, SE was stating the wrong license on most of their pages (not that they're accurately stating the licensee now)." CreationDate="2020-02-03T05:37:53.557" UserId="27247" />
  <row Id="21096" PostId="6499" Score="1" Text="Given the terms of service changes, the actual CC BY-SA license for user content within a page may be any or all of CC BY-SA 2.5 ([last day 2014-12-22](https://web.archive.org/web/20141222042817/http://stackexchange.com/legal/terms-of-service)), 3.0, or 4.0, depending on when the specific content was authored and/or edited. There's also another, separate, license granted to Stack Overflow for subscriber content which includes additional terms, which vary depending on which version of the TOS was in effect at the time the content was submitted." CreationDate="2020-02-03T05:38:10.237" UserId="27247" />
  <row Id="21113" PostId="6499" Score="0" Text="So is the punchline that SE can legally license a &quot;collection&quot; of material as CC BY-SA 4.0, even if individual components of that &quot;collection&quot; were previously CC BY-SA 3.0, and the original component owner was not contacted / did not grant permission?" CreationDate="2020-02-06T13:50:47.570" UserId="82465" />
  <row Id="21114" PostId="6499" Score="3" Text="@user3.1415927 To my understanding, yes. And that's fine. What's not fine is pretending the posts themselves have magically changed license, which is my issue." CreationDate="2020-02-06T15:07:22.280" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21003" PostId="6501" Score="27" Text="For me, it's not about the old vs the new license. I like v4, happy to see it used from now on. My problem is that our current agreement with the site was flagrantly violated. I would've been happy to consider changing over, had I been asked. I probably would've consented. That did not happen." CreationDate="2020-01-26T13:09:00.463" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21004" PostId="6501" Score="0" Text="We need to clarify what exactly is going on here. What does SO consider to be its property, and what powers exactly do ind-ctrb. such as myself have? One of the selling points of v4 in the announcement is more power, as an individual, if someone scrapes your content. This suggests one form of ownership, but SO's reply to me suggests another. I want to clarify _exactly_ what's going on so that a non-lawyer like myself can understand. I get the feeling there's a lot of fanfare about nothing, that there's some legal thing that I just don't see. If that's the case, [...cont]" CreationDate="2020-01-26T13:13:03.877" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21005" PostId="6501" Score="1" Text="[...] I don't appreciate the dog-and-pony show SO has been putting on about how great the new license is, while at the same time it doesn't _actually_ cover the way SO uses the content." CreationDate="2020-01-26T13:14:18.657" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21006" PostId="6501" Score="0" Text="@rath, the more I find out about this, the more incomprehensible your complaint (and that of others) becomes. It sounds like this is an issue of trust. You don't trust SO anymore because they swapped one license for another in a way that is not strictly allowed (even though the licenses are, for *all* practical purposes, identical). Is that what this is all about? Why didn't you just say so?" CreationDate="2020-01-27T03:11:42.147" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21014" PostId="6501" Score="34" Text="it sets a precedent is the real issue to my mind. Whether you like the new licence or not makes no difference. It means that next week they could chuck another licence on or something else ." CreationDate="2020-01-27T14:07:03.580" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21020" PostId="6501" Score="3" Text="@kilisi, but “another license” in this case is effectively the same license with a bit more technical (in a legal sense) specificity. I feel like this is absurdly pro-forma and distant from any reasonable pragmatic consideration. It makes me think there’s some kind of ulterior motive like revenge for moderator fiasco, which, curiously, came after the license change. I find it almost impossible to believe people are so strictly principled about minute details of license conformance when there’s no labor, money or time involved." CreationDate="2020-01-27T17:51:23.513" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21028" PostId="6501" Score="23" Text="@teego1967 this time it's minor, doesn't mean the next one will be. Either way it should have been asked instead of just applied." CreationDate="2020-01-27T23:36:39.750" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21029" PostId="6501" Score="5" Text="@teego1967: &quot;I find it almost impossible to believe people are so strictly principled about minute details of license conformance…&quot;. Obviously, not everyone *is*, but a comparatively substantial chunk of the SE userbase, whether because of religion, software ideology, political stance, bitter experience, or some other reason, really does see this as an issue that is very important in its long-term implications. Compare the minor specific incidents that so often trigger revolutions. What kind of weirdo would care about a small tax on tea, after all?" CreationDate="2020-01-28T09:10:33.413" UserId="31885" />
  <row Id="21030" PostId="6501" Score="2" Text="@nathantuggy, I find this fascinating from a sociological perspective. It seems most plausible that this is a hair trigger response in a context where SE corporate has lost much of the trust of the community. And in fact the Boston tea party was such a response, it wasn’t *really* about tea. SE has fancied itself to be infallibly objective, while at the same time be laughably tone-deaf (re moderator fiasco) I think this situation here is response to that. But if this is really only about petty details of license conformance that’s hard to believe, would like to understand better if that’s true" CreationDate="2020-01-28T12:16:00.070" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21039" PostId="6501" Score="16" Text="The problem is power abuse which breaks the trust between users and the site, not the particulars of how users benefit or are hurt from this particular license change." CreationDate="2020-01-29T00:54:23.753" UserId="89228" />
  <row Id="21083" PostId="6501" Score="0" Text="It's about not letting the horrible staff at SE abuse their power. This should be easy for anyone to understand. StackExchange has not been nice, so why should we? They depend entirely on their users. _All_ content is created by users. We need to hit them where it hurts, with lawyers if necessary. I want this site to burn." CreationDate="2020-01-31T20:34:46.860" UserId="91988" />
  <row Id="21117" PostId="6501" Score="1" Text="You: &quot;As long as the site is still allowing free access&quot; ... OP: &quot;To my understanding, this means they can make the collection fully proprietary if they want&quot; - aka, a paywall. (somebody asked for a tl;dr, that's it)" CreationDate="2020-02-07T10:44:23.850" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="21002" PostId="6502" Score="9" Text="I understand Lilienthal, and, thank you. Just do your job :)" CreationDate="2020-01-26T13:06:04.107" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21010" PostId="6502" Score="1" Text="*Any self deletions or defacing of posts will be reversed as SOP for moderators when site contributions are vandalised or defaced* just so it's clear, and everyone is on the same page: Can we get affirmation that this rule applies for community moderation, as well (i.e. if, as a non-moderator community member, we see that someone has defaced a question or answer, site policy says we should roll it back)? Or would the mods rather have that content flagged and left alone, for mods to clean up?" CreationDate="2020-01-27T13:48:56.653" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21017" PostId="6502" Score="2" Text="@dwizum Not sure if I should be the one to &quot;confirm&quot; something like that as I don't have the meta threads to hand but it's my understanding that this is standard policy for moderation in general so indeed applies to the community. In fact, the community flagging these when they happen is usually the way in which we discover these in the first place. Really, this is the standard response for any case where you see major edits to posts: roll back and in case you suspect a broader issue, whether it's a something like this or an OP after a disassociation: flag it." CreationDate="2020-01-27T14:38:24.293" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21171" PostId="6502" Score="0" Text="I'd like the mods to clarify, or point to a clarification, where the company specifically says that deletion of content _due to not consenting to re-licensing_ should be reverted.  Not just a general global policy of reverting deletion.  I have a hunch they will not make a public statement on the matter, and if that's the case, I don't think you mods should stick your neck out and take the risk for the company.  Hey, that might be a good question for the election." CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:09:15.427" UserId="7474" />
  <row Id="21176" PostId="6502" Score="0" Text="@AskAboutMonica We respond to actions and impact, not intent. The impact of mass deletions, regardless of motivation, is detrimental meaning we are essentially duty-bound to step in. I do encourage you to submit this as a question in the election since it's obviously a divisive topic." CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:25:10.840" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21009" PostId="6503" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure how an edit, much less a rollback, could be considered legally significant in any way. Editing does not destroy or change content. It doesn't even really *hide* it, it just moves it to a different place that requires a single click to get access to. Rolling back an edit just changes the number of clicks you need to get to the other version of the content." CreationDate="2020-01-27T13:46:59.593" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21011" PostId="6503" Score="6" Text="@dwizum An edit to remove a license statement means you are distributing a modified work without having a license to distribute such modified work. CC-BY-SA is quite explicit about retaining license statements. Rollbacks are a weaker case indeed since the text displayed after the rollback is entirely by the original author. Whether a tribunal would consider it significant it is still morally wrong to aid an organization such as SE in performing copyright infringement." CreationDate="2020-01-27T14:02:45.563" UserId="62793" />
  <row Id="21012" PostId="6503" Score="3" Text="Furthermore it can be argued that a CC-BY-SA statement added to a post originally made before Sept 5 2019 is preserving the original content since such statement was there (at the botton of the page) back then." CreationDate="2020-01-27T14:04:32.913" UserId="62793" />
  <row Id="21013" PostId="6503" Score="1" Text="*An edit to remove a license statement* I think we're talking about different things. I'm talking about editing the content of a single question or answer. **You can't &quot;remove&quot; anything in an edit**, you can only change the number of clicks it takes to see different versions of the content. That was my point." CreationDate="2020-01-27T14:05:25.210" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21015" PostId="6503" Score="1" Text="@dwizum My point is that in an edit causes distribution of a modification of the work. And as such must abide to the license which allows distribution of such modification. In CC-BY-SA 3.0 this requires keeping license statements in the modified work (the edited message)." CreationDate="2020-01-27T14:08:22.677" UserId="62793" />
  <row Id="21016" PostId="6503" Score="1" Text="I think we're just talking in circles at this point. I was trying to make it clear that &quot;edits&quot; to content on SE are not like edits to other types of content elsewhere in the universe, because SE keeps a full edit history. So you're not even really *editing* in the sense of *changing* anything, you're really just adding a different version of the original content which is still fully available. If I make a painting, and then you wipe paint off my canvas, you've edited my painting. It's changed for good. If I post an answer, and you edit it, you're just contributing a different version." CreationDate="2020-01-27T14:20:36.623" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21019" PostId="6503" Score="7" Text="@dwizum Following your painting example. If you take a photo of my painting, modify the photo and then publish such modified photo you are distributing a modified work. Do you have a license to distribute such modified work? The fact that the original painting is intact and just a few clicks away is not relevant to that question about having a license to distribute a modified work." CreationDate="2020-01-27T14:53:31.007" UserId="62793" />
  <row Id="21031" PostId="6504" Score="0" Text="Do you see this in other sites? If so, perhaps it's better to take this [tag:bug] to MSE" CreationDate="2020-01-28T18:52:18.650" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21032" PostId="6504" Score="0" Text="Anyways, I say it's a bug as it hides the Blog Facebook Twitter and LinkedIn links" CreationDate="2020-01-28T18:54:20.070" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21033" PostId="6506" Score="2" Text="Thank you for this through explanation - I hadn't considered that the question of what choice I should make is off-topic, and that being the case, the remaining portion of my question *would* be a duplicate." CreationDate="2020-01-28T19:28:54.230" UserId="16504" />
  <row Id="21034" PostId="6506" Score="0" Text="glad I could help :)" CreationDate="2020-01-28T19:29:36.590" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21035" PostId="6506" Score="2" Text="See: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2695/73791 for the off topic reason I described" CreationDate="2020-01-28T19:31:23.603" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21036" PostId="6507" Score="3" Text="Best to look through the discussions on main meta ([meta.se]) indeed. These are cross-site matters. As always you are free to use a site meta to discuss things before taking it to main but I think you'll find more info going there directly." CreationDate="2020-01-28T20:39:01.627" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21037" PostId="6507" Score="5" Text="The change is already in place [Stack Exchange and Stack Overflow have moved to CC BY-SA 4.0](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/333089/stack-exchange-and-stack-overflow-have-moved-to-cc-by-sa-4-0) See here fto learn about its opposition: [Why do people object to the license change so strongly despite having preference towards the proposed new license (CC 4)?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/337522/why-do-people-object-to-the-license-change-so-strongly-despite-having-preference)" CreationDate="2020-01-28T20:40:59.057" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="21047" PostId="6509" Score="4" Text="&quot;*and then eventually get back to your question.*&quot;, but you never do get back to the actual question? What are the differences for the licenses? You just say you think it's better" CreationDate="2020-01-30T08:30:24.437" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="21054" PostId="6511" Score="1" Text="Could you point to some specific answer(s) that you asked to be deleted? That might be useful." CreationDate="2020-01-30T11:53:02.643" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="21056" PostId="6511" Score="1" Text="An example is this: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/132387/engineer-refusing-to-file-disclose-patents/132393#132393" CreationDate="2020-01-30T11:58:37.240" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21058" PostId="6511" Score="0" Text="I think this sums it up as well as anyone can:  https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/5222/352946" CreationDate="2020-01-30T12:26:19.840" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21059" PostId="6511" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive Sums what up? Are you able to link to a specific part of that page, or provide a quote or something?" CreationDate="2020-01-30T12:27:58.680" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21061" PostId="6511" Score="4" Text="I don't believe it does. But happy to reread it (note I actually linked that page in my question). If you could provide some sort of hint as to what the pertinent information is, that would be really handy." CreationDate="2020-01-30T12:31:59.153" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21051" PostId="6512" Score="0" Text="users having Stack Overflow background may follow its cultural traits because they are used to do like that, see [Why isn't providing feedback mandatory on downvotes, and why are ideas suggesting such shot down?](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/357436/839601)" CreationDate="2020-01-30T11:25:16.390" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21055" PostId="6512" Score="2" Text="&quot;Does that not happen here?&quot;  - occasionally. Not very often." CreationDate="2020-01-30T11:56:55.120" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21057" PostId="6512" Score="0" Text="rarely, and that is a bone of contention" CreationDate="2020-01-30T12:09:16.043" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21062" PostId="6512" Score="2" Text="It may also be the case that someone downvotes the post and upvotes an existing comment which explains why" CreationDate="2020-01-30T13:20:00.050" UserId="105591" />
  <row Id="21063" PostId="6512" Score="0" Text="@Bee without the end user seeing a notification with respect to an upvote it doesn't really explain anything." CreationDate="2020-01-30T13:32:18.467" UserId="114030" />
  <row Id="21064" PostId="6512" Score="1" Text="@Dan no I'm just saying that sometimes you may downvote and not explain as there is already an explanation there, in those cases I tend to up-vote the comment. [The answer](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/357437/11544408) gnat already linked to explains in detail though" CreationDate="2020-01-30T13:41:34.610" UserId="105591" />
  <row Id="21081" PostId="6512" Score="3" Text="@DanK - For questions, the hover text associated with the downvote button says &quot;This question does not show any research effort; it is unlear or not useful&quot;. For answers it says &quot;This answer is not useful&quot;. Sometimes no other explanation is given. Sometimes no other explanation is needed. I don't know if that was the case for the question/answer that you are referring to." CreationDate="2020-01-31T11:40:00.147" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21091" PostId="6512" Score="0" Text="realistically many downvotes seem to be from the same users, who just downvote everything at random. They can't leave an explanation 'Itchy mouse finger'" CreationDate="2020-02-02T12:46:33.587" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21099" PostId="6512" Score="0" Text="I love how someone has downvoted both of the current answers, without adding comments to explain why." CreationDate="2020-02-03T14:22:24.030" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21070" PostId="6514" Score="1" Text="So are the two links I posted just wrong then?" CreationDate="2020-01-30T15:08:33.260" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21071" PostId="6514" Score="9" Text="@GregoryCurrie they're not wrong. The MSE posts describes the mechanics and the fundamental rules that you are allowed to delete your content. However, in this answer I was trying to explain some nuances that overlay that." CreationDate="2020-01-30T15:12:48.020" UserId="7" />
  <row Id="21075" PostId="6514" Score="1" Text="_There are times when your right to delete content clashes with SE's right to distribute said content._ Those circumstances are clearly outlined in the [help section](https://stackoverflow.com/help/deleted-answers) as well as the Meta post linked by OP + Mr Positive." CreationDate="2020-01-30T15:26:00.887" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21080" PostId="6514" Score="3" Text="&quot; If you don't want them to have that right any more you need to contact them directly and sort it out that way, most likely by having the content disassociated from your account.&quot; how would that help? Disassociating content does nothing other than disassociate it - it remains visible, you just don't see who wrote it any more. That's not even almost what OP wants." CreationDate="2020-01-31T07:12:15.970" UserId="76038" />
  <row Id="21130" PostId="6514" Score="1" Text="This seems a bit off.  It'd seem like SE's licensing would mean that it's not a _copyright violation_ to refuse an author the ability to delete their own, non-accepted answer.  However, if SE has written that they grant authors the ability to delete their non-accepted answers at any time, then wouldn't denying that ability still be a violation of their written guarantees even if it's not a copyright violation?  In other words, I get that this doesn't sound like a copyright violation, but if SE has granted authors the right to delete, it's not clear to me how a copyright agreement would matter." CreationDate="2020-02-11T04:04:25.090" UserId="62817" />
  <row Id="21141" PostId="6514" Score="3" Text="_If_ this is true, shouldn't the Help section be updated to explain what you've explained? Currently, this answer does not align with what the Help section says, so I have to downvote." CreationDate="2020-02-11T22:48:37.343" UserId="91988" />
  <row Id="21074" PostId="6516" Score="0" Text="Just for information: The &quot;delete&quot; button is displayed on all posts regardless of eligibility for deletion. If you try it, you'll get an error with the appropriate message (ie. _you cannot delete an accepted answer_). The post linked by Gregory and Mr Positive does not address the mass deletion scenario." CreationDate="2020-01-30T15:21:15.040" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21077" PostId="6517" Score="5" Text="Thank you for responding to this.  I hit a mental road block in terms of elegantly stating what you just did." CreationDate="2020-01-30T16:57:26.587" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21101" PostId="6517" Score="0" Text="To be fair, while it does say `typically`, it says to look at the exceptions later for when it cannot be deleted, which has an explicit list which does not include anything against what he was trying to do. Maybe the wording in both stackoverflow and this stack rules should be updated?" CreationDate="2020-02-04T08:28:43.117" UserId="69104" />
  <row Id="21102" PostId="6517" Score="0" Text="@さりげない告白 You could raise the point on main meta, but we don't write out every possible scenario. Blanket deletions are covered on meta as vandalism so you can look for those threads if you'd like to read more about the community POV on that. The main point with my answer here is that just because there's no explicit mention of this not being allowed in the linked articles, that doesn't make it okay nor does it mean that we can't / shouldn't intervene." CreationDate="2020-02-04T11:46:02.670" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21103" PostId="6517" Score="0" Text="I didn't mean writing out every scenario, but something as general as ・And anything else deemed as necessary by our moderation team.  to allow the person reading that to know there are situations outside of those situations to where deleting isn't allowed (which I think is reasonable), but if something like that isn't explicitly in a section for &quot;When can't I delete my own post?&quot; then it isn't unreasonable for someone to come to the conclusion that they are free to delete it however they want other than the explicitly stated cases." CreationDate="2020-02-04T11:58:25.137" UserId="69104" />
  <row Id="21104" PostId="6517" Score="0" Text="@さりげない告白 Well, we don't have that written out anywhere else either I believe. It's just kind of implied. OP can delete. Community can undelete. Moderators can step in at their discretion in case things happen that the community doesn't have the right tools to handle. But you're just debating it with me here so if you think the meta should be adjusted I'd suggest bringing it up there." CreationDate="2020-02-04T14:34:04.830" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21087" PostId="6519" Score="10" Text="A lot of the primary contributors here are hiring managers whose job it is to catch people who lie on their resumes. So, asking a question like this on here is kind of like walking into a police station and asking how to get away with murder." CreationDate="2020-01-31T22:53:46.543" UserId="73580" />
  <row Id="21088" PostId="6519" Score="4" Text="Why Hostile? I even took the time to answer and edit your question, as other users also did. There is no hostile comments I can see... do you say it's hostile because your post got closed? That does not make the community hostile" CreationDate="2020-01-31T23:15:32.700" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21100" PostId="6519" Score="3" Text="@AffableAmbler Maybe I'm an optimist, but I would *hope* that even people who aren't hiring managers would agree that deliberately lying on your resume is not acceptable. If anything, those who are job seekers themselves should be highly motivated to not answer the question the OP linked to. Do you want a fair fight, where everyone tells the truth? Or do you want to give your competition advice on how to cheat the system and outperform you?" CreationDate="2020-02-03T20:42:07.413" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21092" PostId="6520" Score="2" Text="One can not be honor bound to do something that is not honorable.  Lying on a resume is neither honorable, nor a good idea" CreationDate="2020-02-02T19:47:40.683" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21105" PostId="6524" Score="1" Text="&quot; It seems like we vote to close a lot but it's not immediately clear if that's problem or not. How do we know if it's a problem?&quot; - I do think it's a problem. Anecdotally, we get a fair number of folks who seem unhappy with this &quot;hostile&quot; site. Analytically, it would be interesting to see how many first-time writers of questions never come back after having their sole question closed." CreationDate="2020-02-04T18:38:55.610" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21106" PostId="6524" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere that's a great next query to try when I get a few minutes, I'll update the answer then." CreationDate="2020-02-04T19:04:43.210" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21116" PostId="6524" Score="0" Text="I had some queries open in a browser session that I lost before I could update this post, but new members who have asked more than one question have a slightly lower closed question rate than existing members, although new members with only one post have the highest rate overall (which I think supports your theory that a first question being closed is correlated to a member not returning for further activity)." CreationDate="2020-02-06T18:29:30.497" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21107" PostId="6525" Score="3" Text="It's not relevant unless you are talking about productivity at work." CreationDate="2020-02-05T13:39:28.897" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21108" PostId="6525" Score="0" Text="you can post question here as a &quot;sandbox&quot;. You will not receive answers, but will get guidance on writing and/or finding better place for it" CreationDate="2020-02-06T00:54:07.733" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21118" PostId="6533" Score="0" Text="I just checked the question again (20 &quot;answers&quot; now) and had the option to &quot;protect&quot; it. I've never seen this option before on any question. It also was not there earlier when there were 16 answers - but I was using mobile this morning, and now I'm using desktop. Does that make a difference?" CreationDate="2020-02-09T03:24:12.923" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="21121" PostId="6533" Score="1" Text="For the protection, see the details in [the help page on this privilege](https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/protect-questions). You can only protect a question that's at least 24 hours old, that's probably why you didn't see it before." CreationDate="2020-02-09T12:56:43.603" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21122" PostId="6533" Score="1" Text="related: [When there are many answers already, help me check that mine won't repeat others](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2562/168)" CreationDate="2020-02-09T17:14:51.793" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21123" PostId="6533" Score="2" Text="@Lilienthal for our site, [there was an adjustment](https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/3060?m=13304581#13304581) allowing 15K users protect immediately. Most likely reason is mobile, I think I tested this (at site where I have enough rep to protect) and it indeed lacked the option to protect. Other possible reason could be there were no answers from users with less than 10 on-site rep - in this case 15K users can't protect" CreationDate="2020-02-09T19:35:14.680" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21124" PostId="6533" Score="0" Text="Simply vote for one of Joe's posts to make sure the right answer comes to the top" CreationDate="2020-02-10T04:02:58.880" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21125" PostId="6533" Score="0" Text="@gnat News to me, thanks for digging that up. Might be worth it if you self-answer a post on that here on meta to make that more visible." CreationDate="2020-02-10T12:24:10.663" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21126" PostId="6533" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal it's already in meta: [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2571/168) &quot;2014-01-21: trusted users at TWP can protect questions without having to wait 24 hours&quot;" CreationDate="2020-02-10T12:26:51.147" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21127" PostId="6533" Score="1" Text="Doesn't show up in all searches but it *is* searchable so works for me. Thanks @gnat!" CreationDate="2020-02-10T12:33:47.573" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21119" PostId="6534" Score="1" Text="Mostly that answers after the initial 5 or 6 aren't bringing any thing new. Fair enough on the downvotes, but I tend to reserve that for wrong or dangerous answers" CreationDate="2020-02-09T12:25:27.863" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="21120" PostId="6534" Score="2" Text="@HorusKol - there is nothing in the system that stops folks with enough rep to add an answer, if they feel like doing so. Nothing to be done about that." CreationDate="2020-02-09T12:39:23.477" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21128" PostId="6534" Score="1" Text="*Mostly that answers after the initial 5 or 6 aren't bringing any thing new. Fair enough on the downvotes, but I tend to reserve that for wrong or dangerous answers* consider also that comments can be used to suggest improvements to answers. If you see someone post a new answer that is a duplicate of an existing answer, instead of downvoting, you can use a comment to ask them to edit their answer in a way that makes it unique from the existing duplicate." CreationDate="2020-02-10T16:35:25.397" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21129" PostId="6536" Score="5" Text="We need a moderator!  Please ask any constructive,  positive question you can think of so that we elect the right candidate!!" CreationDate="2020-02-11T00:57:32.520" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21133" PostId="6536" Score="0" Text="Is there a page that describes all the tasks required of a moderator?" CreationDate="2020-02-11T18:16:43.553" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21135" PostId="6536" Score="4" Text="@JoeStrazzere Most of this is still applicable: https://stackoverflow.blog/2009/05/18/a-theory-of-moderation/    To expand, I would think of Moderators as Exception Handlers as the community usually can handle issues themselves." CreationDate="2020-02-11T19:22:17.977" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21136" PostId="6536" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere Another one:  https://stackoverflow.com/help/site-moderators" CreationDate="2020-02-11T19:23:16.150" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21137" PostId="6536" Score="2" Text="And finally, the biggest difference to me is my votes are binding and immediate, so I use my mod super powers sparingly @JoeStrazzere" CreationDate="2020-02-11T19:24:25.950" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21139" PostId="6536" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive - thanks" CreationDate="2020-02-11T19:44:28.533" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21200" PostId="6536" Score="3" Text="**General Note** - We are currently looking for **one** new moderator but it's possible that we may decide to need an additional pair of hands afterwards. If we believe we should bring on an additional moderator within a few months of the election the results are rerun as if two slots were available and the second person elected is invited to join the moderator team." CreationDate="2020-02-13T21:58:11.093" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21131" PostId="6542" Score="6" Text="Note: This is an attempt at a neutral question that finds out essentially what one's intrinsic motivation for wanting to serve as a moderator  is. I assume this situation will come up in the election anyways, so there's no use in shying away from it." CreationDate="2020-02-11T08:12:32.777" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21145" PostId="6542" Score="1" Text="It doesn't seem all that neutral to me, based on the lead-in statement. You seem to admit that by saying &quot;there's no use shying away from it&quot;." CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:06:40.973" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21153" PostId="6542" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere I've interpreted this as neutral in the sense that it is stating established fact. It is the main reason we are looking to reinforce the moderator team and it's sensible for the community to ask any prospective moderator perhaps not how they see the situation, but rather if and how it affects their decision to run. **Edit**: reading the last sentence in isolation, it's clear that &quot;what is your motivation&quot; is not the real question here but it's specifically about the recent developments so perhaps this should be rephrased to make that clear." CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:40:03.403" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21160" PostId="6542" Score="3" Text="@Lilienthal feel free to re-formulate the question as necessary, i'm not married to the exact text. I'd like to see the sentiment preserved though." CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:50:11.417" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21162" PostId="6542" Score="4" Text="(shrug) I interpret this more along the lines of &quot;The site is going to hell, and most moderators are fleeing a sinking ship. Why on earth do you want to step into this mess?&quot;  Sorry for the blunt language, but I want to convey the sense I'm getting from this and other candidate questions here. Perhaps it's more rorschach than neutral?" CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:51:38.470" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21166" PostId="6542" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere In composing this, I thought of the reasons I want to run (I plan to), namely that I love this site more then I dislike the decisions made by the company. I also know, from being active on MSE, that every candidate who stands will get significant heat and will be questioned in that way, and I wanted to provide a way for the candidates to get structured thoughts out along the way, and so they can prepare themselves not to be blind sided. I'm not ready to call this a sinking ship and this was not my intent in writing this question." CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:55:44.290" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21167" PostId="6542" Score="0" Text="This is the formulation I came up with to phrase as neutrally as possible the motivation question while still maintaining the context, and also because if I don't ask it, someone else will, be it in a chatroom, in a comment or elsewhere, of candidates. And then it'll be a decidedly negative framing, which isn't super bad, but unfortunate IMO." CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:57:02.150" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21174" PostId="6542" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere I don't see it quite that way. It's true that there has been a lot of turbulence here and that could affect a decision to run just as much as it has affected the decision of former moderators to part ways. When someone here decides to run they are doing that at a very particular time in our network's history and I'd like to know if and how that has affected them. Potentially the answer for most is (I hope) &quot;I have my own stance on the situation but I want to join the moderation team to help run this site&quot;." CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:20:43.530" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21175" PostId="6542" Score="3" Text="If the answer is &quot;I want to be closer to the CT to give them a piece of my mind&quot; then that's just not what we are looking for. Nor do we need people who run only to resign in protest immediately. I don't really expect anyone who has these reasons in mind will answer this particular question honestly of course, but these are extremes. Many people will be wondering about this element that sparked the election so the question should be asked. Does that make more sense?" CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:22:40.793" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21177" PostId="6542" Score="1" Text="@Magisch - it's your question. I'm just expressing what I felt when I read it. I hope you do run." CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:26:14.323" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21178" PostId="6542" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - I understand what you are saying. I just think it's a mistake to have a series of questions based on what happened as some kind of litmus test for candidates. In response to an imagined answer, you wrote &quot;that's just not what we are looking for&quot;. That's your opinion. It may or may not be shared by most others here." CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:29:16.180" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21179" PostId="6542" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere I very much value your judgement. Do you have an idea to reformulate the question to be more neutral while preserving context?" CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:29:35.723" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21180" PostId="6542" Score="2" Text="@Magisch - sorry, no. I wouldn't preserve the context. Asking &quot;Why do you want to be a moderator&quot; is fine. Leading the candidate as you have done above should be avoided, IMHO. But it's your question. If it gets enough votes, apparently it will be included as a candidate question." CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:31:22.127" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21183" PostId="6542" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere It's indeed only my opinion, decisions are always left to the community. Speaking from my personal experience the recent events have had a dramatic impact and deciding to accept the situation and abstain from public comments on the topic was not easy for me. Several other moderators decided to distance themselves for reasons that are personal to them but were nonetheless sparked by the events. And this is unlikely to resolve itself any time soon meaning that moderator candidates need to carefully consider this and I feel the community deserves to know that they have." CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:57:42.487" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21188" PostId="6542" Score="2" Text="**Note:** Based on feedback from several users I trust, I have significantly edited the lead sentence of this question and expanded on my motivations for asking it. I believe this does not substantially alter the intent of the question or potential replies, further feedback is welcome. cc @JoeStrazzere" CreationDate="2020-02-12T19:17:50.283" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21189" PostId="6542" Score="1" Text="additional cc: @Lilienthal" CreationDate="2020-02-12T19:17:56.487" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21194" PostId="6542" Score="2" Text="@Magisch An interesting change but I would argue this merits reposting as it has significantly altered the way I read this. Asking about motivation in light of recent events is one thing. Presenting the &quot;new role&quot; of moderators as a *fait accompli* reads quite a bit like a loaded question to me." CreationDate="2020-02-13T20:33:05.853" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21154" PostId="6546" Score="2" Text="Do you imagine any candidates would opt for the first option here? Are you asking about the approach a candidate would take in pursuing a new feature?" CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:44:24.220" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21190" PostId="6546" Score="0" Text="It's the latter yes. Sorry that was unclear. It's a thing that's encountered from time to time and it's usually not be taken lightly so I was curious how a candidate would approach this (this is based on my own experience of moderation on another stack)." CreationDate="2020-02-12T20:38:14.510" UserId="76091" />
  <row Id="21193" PostId="6546" Score="2" Text="Makes sense, you may want to edit this to make that clear as I think you're burying the lead to some extent by phrasing it like this." CreationDate="2020-02-13T20:30:41.740" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21146" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="This is getting down-voted, so clearly I'm missing something. Could I at least get an explanation of why the question violates the prohibition on legal advice &amp; specific companies and how to ask for these kinds of resources without my question being closed?" CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:06:57.173" UserId="114472" />
  <row Id="21150" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="Reference for legal guidelines: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2423/what-criteria-do-we-need-for-questions-regarding-the-law-regulations-to-be-allow?rq=1" CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:24:22.190" UserId="114472" />
  <row Id="21152" PostId="6548" Score="1" Text="Question looks valid to me.. have cast a vote to re-open." CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:32:09.103" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21155" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="We encourage making seamless edits, i.e. ones that don't make it clear something is an edit, such as your &quot;appeal&quot; posted within the body. Instead focus on improving the question by dropping elements that might be read as asking for legal advice (whether correctly or not), shortening it if needed and clearly identifying the core (on-topic) question." CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:47:37.647" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21156" PostId="6548" Score="1" Text="@TerrifiedEmployee I'm undecided to cast a vote to reopen. Leaving the legal aspect of the post aside, I feel that the questions you ask are a bit broad. Please consider focusing your questions (&quot;what are my options&quot; is quite broad, as well as &quot;what other resources&quot;)... perhaps something more actionable? If you edit, consider pinging me so I can reconsider my vote" CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:48:20.943" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21157" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="In my defense, I put the appeal in the question because another question about how to appeal posts in meta SO suggested doing exactly that. (https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/57104/how-to-appeal-a-closed-question)" CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:48:35.333" UserId="114472" />
  <row Id="21158" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="@TerrifiedEmployee no need to &quot;defend&quot; yourself, It's ok :) things are a bit different here that on SO. Lilienthal is just kindy sharing feedback with you. What we usually do here is, write a Meta TWP post and then in a comment under your closed question say &quot;This question is being discussed in meta [link]&quot;" CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:49:54.027" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21161" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus thanks; feeling a bit attacked on the site at the moment :-)" CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:50:43.223" UserId="114472" />
  <row Id="21163" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="I'm sorry to hear that. We surely don't intend to attack you (quite the contrary, if we reply is because are using our unpaid time to help you). I included a comment under your post as I mentioned. Just, be aware that no one is born knowing, and it may take a time for you to learn the differences of this Stack compared to others." CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:52:32.800" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21164" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="4th reopen cast" CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:53:55.160" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21165" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus are you referring to my question since I switched to the bullet points at the end (e.g., with the example of the department of labor)? or before that edit? I can tighten up the last bullet I suppose." CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:54:45.850" UserId="114472" />
  <row Id="21168" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="I was referring to *&quot;Short of a lawsuit or talking to the press, what are my options? What other resources are there to help out and what should I be aware of?&quot;* ... those questions are a bit broad to my taste, and is what I suggest you consider perhaps focusing." CreationDate="2020-02-12T16:58:04.443" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21169" PostId="6548" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus Thanks; I have reworded the questions at the end of the post." CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:00:00.843" UserId="114472" />
  <row Id="21170" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="This has me wondering, though, whether there is space on SE for questions that essentially boil down to: something has happened in my workspace; the legal/regulatory landscape of this particular issue is very complicated, and I have failed to get my footing w.r.t. that landscape; what advice is there for helping me get started?&quot;" CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:05:30.337" UserId="114472" />
  <row Id="21172" PostId="6548" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus just fyi, re:feeling attacked; from my perspective, my question got closed for reasons I didn't understand; I tried to research the appeals process and followed the instructions I found (admittedly I thought SO and SE shared a meta); my appeal on meta immediately got down-voted without explanation, then the first answer to my appeal stated agreement with the closure but no explanation; then I was told that I did the appeal wrong. I thought I had violated some norm that wasn't clear to me and that nobody wanted to talk about. I get why things happened how they did now." CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:11:11.160" UserId="114472" />
  <row Id="21173" PostId="6548" Score="1" Text="@TerrifiedEmployee Fifth vote casted. Post open again :) also... don't take it too personal. In Meta votes don't mean &quot;good/bad quality&quot; they mean &quot;I agree/don't&quot;... you also posted this on MSE, which was not the correct thing to do... It's ok, you are learning your ways, surely next time you will do it smoothly... also, try not to &quot;feel attacked&quot;; in forums and online sites it's hard to read the tone and intention from comments, an a comment intended to help can be perceived as an &quot;attack&quot;... :)" CreationDate="2020-02-12T17:14:36.273" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21211" PostId="6552" Score="2" Text="Does [this question](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6541/25739) from the last election that was posted previously cover your question?" CreationDate="2020-02-14T17:18:58.520" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21212" PostId="6552" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal - sure, just about the same. I was trying to emphasize the &quot;short period of time&quot; aspect, but I guess one question could cover it all." CreationDate="2020-02-14T17:37:34.943" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21208" PostId="6553" Score="2" Text="I'd like to add some follow up questions if I could, based on the answers placing a lot of focus on flags (which is super helpful because I've often wondered how they worked.) Besided flags being part your workload, what about just seeing things during the normal course of browsing the site? Does much of your &quot;work&quot; come from noticing things that way? Also, the answers mention flags (and moderation) on answers, comments, and questions. Do moderators have an official role (and tools) within chat? Is The Water Cooler moderated differently than the other chats related to the site?" CreationDate="2020-02-14T16:03:18.220" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21215" PostId="6553" Score="4" Text="Related: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5938/whats-it-like-being-a-workplace-moderator" CreationDate="2020-02-14T19:47:27.080" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21199" PostId="6554" Score="4" Text="Hopefully this provides some more insight into what we do. Please note that this was written in a bit of a hurry and is rather unpolished. I may clean it up later if I have anything else to add but I'd encourage the community and especially prospective candidates to comment here or on the main question with any other questions." CreationDate="2020-02-13T21:54:17.270" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21202" PostId="6554" Score="3" Text="another summary that looks worth referring: [What's it like being a Workplace Moderator?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5939/168)" CreationDate="2020-02-14T08:22:40.887" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21206" PostId="6554" Score="1" Text="Very well done sir!!" CreationDate="2020-02-14T12:38:42.937" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21219" PostId="6554" Score="1" Text="@gnat Thanks for adding that, combined all linked posts into this answer for good measure." CreationDate="2020-02-17T20:18:25.503" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21209" PostId="6556" Score="2" Text="And to confirm from my side, I fully agree with the main requirement for the gig being both sound and trusted judgement. Checking in on chat is indeed one aspect that I forgot to mention. The community and the chat room have grown large enough that reading back the transcript is no longer an option but we'll check in at random to get a feel for the site temperature. :)" CreationDate="2020-02-14T17:07:18.427" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21210" PostId="6556" Score="2" Text="I'll only add that I personally consider checking things out across the network to be optional *in the long-term*, whether in main meta or the moderator chatroom / Teams site. I don't really do so much these days and it doesn't really affect my activities on the site. I mention long term because they *are* vital tools for any new moderator to use to learn the ropes. I must also say that going the extra mile in contributing cross-site can be a rewarding experience on it's own and can be a good commitment on part of prospective candidates." CreationDate="2020-02-14T17:12:23.107" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21220" PostId="6561" Score="10" Text="**General Note** - We are currently looking for **one** new moderator but it's possible that we may decide to need an additional pair of hands afterwards. If we believe we should bring on an additional moderator within a few months of the election the results of this election will be rerun as if two slots were available and the second person elected would then be invited to join the moderator team." CreationDate="2020-02-17T20:18:52.923" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21222" PostId="6562" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I don't pretend to know all the needs of TWP - I think (hope) I've got a decent grasp of the main goal of the site and would do whatever I felt best towards furthering/continuing that goal. If there was specific issues that I was unsure of how the community felt then probably a meta post to try and get a steer would be appropriate." CreationDate="2020-02-18T13:15:39.920" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21223" PostId="6562" Score="0" Text="Makes sense. Thanks!" CreationDate="2020-02-18T13:17:45.557" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21224" PostId="6562" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere [cont] I would hope that were people to vote for me that they would be looking at my general history, and what I've said here and in my nomination post, and saying &quot;yeah that flaming rubber duck might be a bit silly but the person seems to share my goals for the site&quot;" CreationDate="2020-02-18T13:17:59.647" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21225" PostId="6562" Score="0" Text="How would you determine whether someone was acting in bad faith or not?  Doesn't that require some insight into the person's motives?" CreationDate="2020-02-18T20:14:07.390" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21234" PostId="6562" Score="0" Text="Would you take any steps to try to address the divide between people like yourself who think others are too quick to close and those, like myself, who close a lot of stuff and think others are too quick to *reopen* without considering whether a question really belongs here and how it could be improved? From your responses it seems you think people who are too quick to close are simply *wrong* and they just need to stop without seeming to consider that it's quite subjective and they may have equally valid and good (if not better) arguments for doing what they're doing." CreationDate="2020-02-19T14:50:17.417" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="21235" PostId="6562" Score="2" Text="@Dukeling I didn't feel I could do your comment justice within the constraints of comments so I've updated my answer to expand on this for you." CreationDate="2020-02-19T16:03:51.643" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21236" PostId="6562" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu Thanks. For what it's worth, for the more subjective cases, I don't consider my own opinion on what should and shouldn't be closed to be &quot;right&quot; / &quot;correct&quot; (or &quot;wrong&quot;), but rather it's a matter of what we're trying to build here, what SE's official stance is and how handling individual questions aligns with those goals. It's fine if different users are trying to build different things, as long as these goals are roughly compatible (but they don't currently seem to be all that compatible)." CreationDate="2020-02-19T16:57:43.627" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="21290" PostId="6562" Score="1" Text="&quot;Failing that.. dance off?&quot; - [Dance-off, bro, me and you.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaaJyAjvajo)" CreationDate="2020-02-24T20:06:12.320" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="21304" PostId="6562" Score="2" Text="@V2Blast *Oo-oh child, thing's are going to get easier*" CreationDate="2020-02-25T12:49:35.610" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21277" PostId="6563" Score="4" Text="*&quot;we need to ensure our concerns and needs are heard by the company&quot;* How will *you* ensure that, given you have no decision-making power in the company? If that's your primary motivation to be a moderator and you find out later that the company doesn't actually hear the concerns and needs of the community, will you remain motivated to continue serving as moderator?" CreationDate="2020-02-23T13:11:56.220" UserId="110286" />
  <row Id="21279" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="@UchihaMadara It'ts not my *primary* motivation to want to be a mod, that'd be actual mod things. It's a very important one though. It's by my estimation the biggest and most important issue we face at the moment, and I have reason to believe that if there is a chance small communities can get their feedback heard, it will have to be done at least in part by moderators summarizing and amplifying it. I do not plan to resign or reduce activity if elected if that turns out not to be the case. Normal mod work is plenty motivating for me." CreationDate="2020-02-23T17:31:13.427" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21280" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="To clarify, it is my primary motivation to run , but not to want to serve. I think any of the current candidate could do a perfectly fine job with normal mod duties from what I know about them." CreationDate="2020-02-23T17:36:20.883" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21283" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="I am not sure this platform will allow for your voice to be any louder.  From what I can see, SE does pay attention to the main META site.  I don't have a direct line as a moderator to anyone at SE." CreationDate="2020-02-24T19:34:50.003" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21285" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive you have the moderator team (where new initiatives, changes and features are often posted ahead of time for feedback) and the moderator chatroom." CreationDate="2020-02-24T19:39:50.143" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21286" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="@Magisch That is true, but I don't think this will give you more of a voice than you already have.  You are already pretty visible on META.  You are right in that you could give feedback maybe a bit earlier than all, but I don't think that will make you &quot;more heard&quot;.  I am hoping if elected you will focus on TWP first, and all the other issues after that.  Many moderators have already shared the same points from an SE perspective as you have.  ( or would )" CreationDate="2020-02-24T19:42:07.987" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21287" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="Not me, but these discussions are often where the first rounds of tests are done. Small sites will do well if they have a voice in these spaces. I'm still obviously primarily running to help things here, if I had to put on a number I'd see the job as 90% here and 10% misc stuff, but the 90% can be suitably fulfilled by any of the current candidates in my experience, and the new stuff is well, new, so I'm giving more weight to it in my questionnaire answers." CreationDate="2020-02-24T19:44:37.053" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21288" PostId="6563" Score="0" Text="I'm planning to focus first and foremost on TWP. Even in spaces outside of TWP, I'm planning to relay and make known the concerns and needs of this community, not just my own." CreationDate="2020-02-24T19:45:36.653" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21278" PostId="6564" Score="1" Text="What is your question?" CreationDate="2020-02-23T14:28:41.057" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21229" PostId="6565" Score="6" Text="Given the number of moderators who've gone &quot;on strike&quot; (or who spend years treating the diamond as a sinecure) doing nothing with a diamond doesn't seem to a major concern to the site." CreationDate="2020-02-19T07:49:36.420" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="21230" PostId="6565" Score="4" Text="@Richard Regardless of reasons, if a moderation team loses active moderators, they request an election to bring that number up to ideal operating levels. As explained by amuson, what would happen is that we'd invite the runner-up to join the moderation team (or hold new elections) within a matter of weeks. SE's stance on inactive moderators has changed somewhat recently and we still do have a lot of moderators &quot;grandfathered in&quot; but I believe it's fair for the community to have some expectations of moderator candidates regarding their site activity if elected." CreationDate="2020-02-19T08:06:09.603" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21231" PostId="6567" Score="0" Text="Good luck. Never give up?" CreationDate="2020-02-19T10:47:42.067" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21282" PostId="6567" Score="0" Text="I am not so regular here. But I recognized you by Richard_U in your profile. I have read answers by you so many times and they have helped me personally. Sad to see you are leaving too. Good luck!" CreationDate="2020-02-24T18:22:25.210" UserDisplayName="user47813" />
  <row Id="21324" PostId="6567" Score="3" Text="I was just feeling like you were notably absent...guess I know why now. Sad to hear! Any links by anyone to the &quot;antics&quot; being referred to?" CreationDate="2020-02-26T07:47:46.587" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21281" PostId="6572" Score="2" Text="Thanks for the note. I almost thought SE unfairly suspended his account, that's why he is quitting the site. Good to know, it was his request instead." CreationDate="2020-02-24T18:17:17.167" UserDisplayName="user47813" />
  <row Id="21311" PostId="6572" Score="2" Text="If his account is deleted, will the 47000 rep be withdrawn from all the people he voted for?" CreationDate="2020-02-25T18:28:21.777" UserId="17036" />
  <row Id="21321" PostId="6572" Score="4" Text="@ThomasWeller Most likely they will be transferred to the Community user and preserved, as per [this meta thread](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/126471/260382)" CreationDate="2020-02-26T07:44:41.330" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21237" PostId="6573" Score="5" Text="Possible duplicate of [Fair to VTC for trolling](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5037/25739) and the other linked questions there. SOP remains: vote to open/close based on content not on motivation, flag if you suspect foul play." CreationDate="2020-02-20T08:06:03.227" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21238" PostId="6573" Score="1" Text="another meta discussion on the same question: [questions based on bad or wrong assumptions](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6574/168) (seeing how it managed to spark _two_ meta discussions one can indeed suspect an attempt at trolling:)" CreationDate="2020-02-20T09:55:08.497" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21243" PostId="6573" Score="1" Text="@gnat it became trolling because we engaged in meta discussion? :-)" CreationDate="2020-02-20T14:39:22.973" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21244" PostId="6573" Score="0" Text="of course not :) having (one) meta discussion about particular question is perfectly normal" CreationDate="2020-02-20T14:41:54.860" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21246" PostId="6573" Score="1" Text="I fail to see how this is &quot;[trolling](https://unlcms.unl.edu/engineering/james-hanson/trolls-and-their-impact-social-media)&quot;. Are you sure you've used the right word? Calling someone a troll just because you don't like their question is pretty damned unfriendly." CreationDate="2020-02-20T16:15:23.433" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="21247" PostId="6573" Score="1" Text="@Richard i follow &quot;posting inflammatory or off-topic messages in an online community&quot; definition. the OP seems to be off-topic (too broad, no achievable goal) and also inflammatory (line count as productivity metric has been debunk at least since 1975 when The Mythical Man-Month came out) In fact, I support question &quot;how to measure productivity&quot; but it will be probably off-topic" CreationDate="2020-02-20T16:24:14.737" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21248" PostId="6573" Score="2" Text="@aaaaasaysreinstateMonica - As a non-programmer, I don't really see the problem with creating a productivity based metric to determine whether someone's doing a good job or not (and I'm assuming that a programmer who writes a very small number of lines is probably doing a bad job). A good answer would explain it to me, but it's not trolling to ask such a question" CreationDate="2020-02-20T16:26:17.403" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="21249" PostId="6573" Score="3" Text="@Richard after some more reading i, in fact, think you are correct in that &quot;lumberjack's productivity is measured in lumber, why can't we measure coder's productivity in lines of code&quot; is a valid and good question." CreationDate="2020-02-20T16:27:45.310" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21251" PostId="6573" Score="1" Text="@aaaaasaysreinstateMonica - Well, it's certainly a *valid* question. I wouldn't say &quot;good&quot; because OP hasn't explained a wide range of things such as code type, what the project is and what research they've already done." CreationDate="2020-02-20T16:55:47.610" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="21254" PostId="6573" Score="1" Text="@Richard yup, the context is critical here. That is why perhaps the OP is better suited for PM@SE https://pm.stackexchange.com as performance connected to the paradigm of project management. In some (bad) paradigm number of lines of code is a valid metric since it's the target" CreationDate="2020-02-20T17:30:14.897" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21257" PostId="6573" Score="1" Text="@aaaaasaysreinstateMonica As some of the linked questions state, we prefer to consider these teaching moments. It's related to the concept of the [XY problem](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/66377/what-is-the-xy-problem). If the OP is asking something based on a flawed analysis or poor perspective it's valid to contest that in answers. This is also the one place where the guideline &quot;answers should address the question asked&quot; should not be interpreted literally." CreationDate="2020-02-20T19:37:36.067" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21258" PostId="6573" Score="1" Text="There's actually a rather interesting parallel here where you considered this a troll when it's likely just a question borne from ignorance." CreationDate="2020-02-20T19:38:38.703" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21259" PostId="6573" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal i think i rushed to attribute trolling to ignorance also because of how blatant was the title phrased. It sounds like an aim for HNQ." CreationDate="2020-02-20T20:45:13.367" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21261" PostId="6573" Score="0" Text="Measuring a developer after lines of code is like measuring a lumberjack in swings per day (and firing him the week he is on duty securing his teammates and marking trees, taking no personal swings at all). If the title of the person has &quot;software&quot; in it, then this should be blindingly obvious. Whether someone posts something *that* ignorant to troll? We can only  guess." CreationDate="2020-02-21T08:46:17.727" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="21262" PostId="6573" Score="1" Text="@Richard your example with lumberjack reveals what seems to be most troublesome about questions like that. Do we really want to have narrow technically focused, industry specific questions about performance measurements for hundreds different professions here, cooks, taxi drivers, construction workers, doctors, pilots etc etc etc. I just re-read all 10 answers to that question and none was about navigating the workplace, all were filled with details about software engineering / project management" CreationDate="2020-02-21T08:57:41.293" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21341" PostId="6573" Score="0" Text="...just stumbled upon recent discussion that covers concerns similar to mine: [This is becoming too engineering focused](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2998/168)" CreationDate="2020-02-27T08:37:58.970" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21241" PostId="6574" Score="1" Text="&quot;So should questions like this be encouraged or not?&quot; - that's what votes are for. If you want to &quot;encourage&quot; the question, vote it up." CreationDate="2020-02-20T11:08:24.010" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21242" PostId="6576" Score="1" Text="&quot;but experienced developers are expected to code more than junior developers&quot; no, they are not. They are supposed to solve the harder problems. They are supposed to sit in more decision making meetings. They are supposed to train the juniors. The one thing that is certainly **not** a target to meet is &quot;type more&quot;." CreationDate="2020-02-20T14:22:40.050" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="21245" PostId="6576" Score="0" Text="This was my exact thought. It's certainly not well researched and opinion-based, but it's not &quot;trolling&quot; by any reasonable definition of the word" CreationDate="2020-02-20T16:14:22.603" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="21250" PostId="6576" Score="1" Text="Ironically, the debate playing out right here (HelloWorld's statements versus nvoight's comment) is, to me, an indicator of why this *could* have been a really valuable question, if it had simply been phrased a little differently." CreationDate="2020-02-20T16:36:38.350" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21252" PostId="6578" Score="2" Text="i thought about editing, but it feels like heavy-handed approach, and the question is kinda &quot;spoiled&quot; by all the existing answers already. And i am still afraid that 'how to measure performance' would be extremely broad topic. It starts with proper process, scheduling, why managers want to know performance and so on. Perhaps I should risk some of the rep to create 'canonical' question for performance metrics?" CreationDate="2020-02-20T17:24:35.033" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21253" PostId="6578" Score="0" Text="I don't disagree with respect to this specific question, it is a little challenging to think about how to edit it at this point. We may have lost the OP's interest by this point, but they had responded in comments earlier on, maybe we missed the opportunity to ask them some good clarifying questions and get **them** to edit." CreationDate="2020-02-20T17:27:41.220" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21255" PostId="6578" Score="0" Text="Another thought is that some &quot;bad&quot; questions may be appropriately responded to with a frame challenge answer, instead of voting to close. I'm happy to see that several people have already done that on this question." CreationDate="2020-02-20T17:34:35.137" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21256" PostId="6578" Score="1" Text="yeah, the VTC might have been premature, knee-jerk reaction. We probably should wait few days and edit the Q to reflect intent and the submitted answers" CreationDate="2020-02-20T17:42:59.883" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21260" PostId="6579" Score="7" Text="&quot;sexism&quot; is in the eyes of the beholder, but it should be 100% valid to ask 'this thing at work maked me uncomfortable, what do?' without getting &quot;thing is not real&quot; comments/answers" CreationDate="2020-02-21T05:52:24.040" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21263" PostId="6579" Score="5" Text="Initial thoughts: There is a lot to unpack there and as with any XY problem sometimes answers to questions challenge the OP's interpretation of their situation. Those answers can be legitimate and when they're about sensitive issues like this both comments and answers need to handle that tactfully. I've nuked most of the comments but the answers themselves could also be construed as overly harsh. Ultimately, **any** discrimination of any kind whether in comments or answers should be flagged for our attention or edited out if possible." CreationDate="2020-02-21T08:59:34.893" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21267" PostId="6579" Score="5" Text="Comments happen. Apparently, the OP got a good enough answer that they accepted it. It's always difficult when someone writes a question stating a conclusion (like &quot;sexism&quot;) then elaborates with details that make some question that conclusion. I understand your disappointment, but what could be done about such comments/answers?" CreationDate="2020-02-21T12:13:01.933" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21268" PostId="6579" Score="11" Text="It would probably be better if the OP had gone one of two ways. 1) &quot;I feel that I am experiencing sexism, what could I do about it?&quot; or 2) &quot;Here is what is occurring, is that sexism?&quot; Instead, the OP blended these two questions. No surprise that generates more comments." CreationDate="2020-02-21T12:17:29.427" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21275" PostId="6579" Score="6" Text="The combination &quot;being a new user&quot; and &quot;talking about sexisim against women&quot; is a bad combination on this website.." CreationDate="2020-02-21T21:03:37.773" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21296" PostId="6579" Score="1" Text="In general, answers often suggest that an OP is creating an XY problem or reaching a wrong conclusion. It's pretty hard to say &quot;you're not allowed to suggest that if the question is about sexism!&quot;" CreationDate="2020-02-25T07:29:48.007" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21332" PostId="6579" Score="4" Text="@guest, yes, that's true. A game-fied Q/A forum filled with rigid-thinkers who work in technology isn't a good place for questions that require empathy and a willingness to see things from the point of view of the asker. Even the most boilerplate-y HR-written employee manual gives better advice than most people have given for this question." CreationDate="2020-02-26T11:31:04.263" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21264" PostId="6580" Score="1" Text="it got posted, got closed straight away, I got a laugh out of it.... whats the issue? Hopefully get another laugh next week." CreationDate="2020-02-21T11:05:28.363" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21265" PostId="6580" Score="8" Text="At this point this is clearly spam so you should flag it as such. Spam posts are nuked automatically within a very short period of time and will help feed our automated systems. Note to anyone confused: variations on this question have been posted regularly lately. Most are gone within half a day so you may not have seen them." CreationDate="2020-02-21T11:19:03.017" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21266" PostId="6580" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal is this a repost of [this prior question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/153369/i-didn-t-get-a-raise)? under 10K rep I can't see" CreationDate="2020-02-21T11:20:48.440" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21269" PostId="6580" Score="2" Text="@gnat Yes, the title is slightly changed, but the question is identical." CreationDate="2020-02-21T13:14:21.600" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="21270" PostId="6580" Score="1" Text="thanks @PlayerOne! In this case, repost circumventing closure (and possibly also sock user account) look like stronger reasons to request for mod deletion. Lilienthal mentioned that it's spam, but per my recollection it was difficult to find reliable indication of that in the question (otherwise I would have flagged it:)" CreationDate="2020-02-21T13:26:48.447" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21271" PostId="6580" Score="0" Text="I see these questions as examples of the system working well at filtering out useless content without having any significant or direct impact on real people trying to ask real questions." CreationDate="2020-02-21T14:10:09.970" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21272" PostId="6580" Score="1" Text="Don't worry, they've now moved on to asking [how to escape punishment for damaging company property](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/153570/did-something-immature-in-a-moment-of-anger-company-is-now-rechecking-cameras-t)." CreationDate="2020-02-21T19:22:45.683" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="21273" PostId="6580" Score="0" Text="@BSMP yeah, just seen that..." CreationDate="2020-02-21T19:24:37.153" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="21274" PostId="6580" Score="2" Text="@gnat Reason for flaging as spam is two-fold: to feed IP blocks, and because it will allow the community to remove these posts. As dwizum mentions the community is already handling this via closing and downvotes but it's still wasting people's time as long as the question remains on the front page. Cleaner to get rid of it or at least flag for our attention." CreationDate="2020-02-21T20:53:23.013" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21276" PostId="6580" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I wouldn't object if moderator reflags as spam and deletes based on my custom flag :)" CreationDate="2020-02-21T21:13:44.360" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21346" PostId="6581" Score="2" Text="The combination of a title with a question mark (&quot;Casual sexism at work?&quot;) and text in the body (with another question mark) that says &quot;I don’t really know if this is actually sexism, but it’s really frustrating and I don’t know what else to call it?&quot; leads people to infer that the question might be &quot;is this casual sexism?&quot; when it's possible that what is actually going on here is that the OP is one of those people who says everything with a rising tone, which in (American, at least) English indicates a question, and they end up typing in the manner in which they speak." CreationDate="2020-02-27T21:50:16.130" UserId="17890" />
  <row Id="21350" PostId="6582" Score="0" Text="where do you stand on the Monica situation. Please motivate your answer in detail. Try not to be a fence sitter." CreationDate="2020-02-28T16:40:56.707" UserId="65762" />
  <row Id="21352" PostId="6582" Score="1" Text="@GwenKillerby ... perhaps you are not aware but [Monica left SE at the end of January](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/342950/332286) :(... as I see it there is no more &quot;Monica situation&quot;, although it is undeniable that the repercussions of such situation remain and will for a time. Personally, I had the chance to interact with her several times, in TWP mostly, and I am really sad that she decided to leave, but nonetheless respect the decision she took. I hope to be as half as good moderator and member of this community as Monica was." CreationDate="2020-02-28T17:07:16.327" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21353" PostId="6582" Score="2" Text="@GwenKillerby This election has nothing to do with the Monica situation.  Yes, the vacancies are due to the situation, but the situation is *resolved*.  Do we like what happened, **obviously not**, but there is no point in dwelling in the past.  Those that are still here and participating are doing so knowing an agreement between Monica and SE took place.  Let's focus on the future, and the candidates here specifically." CreationDate="2020-02-28T18:36:59.520" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21372" PostId="6582" Score="0" Text="-1 `I periodically keep an eye on Meta SE and other communities,…` because I see very little  recent participation on MSE in way of [comments](https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/332286/darkcygnus?tab=activity&amp;sort=comments) and [actual posts](https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/332286/darkcygnus?tab=activity&amp;sort=posts)" CreationDate="2020-03-03T12:27:19.130" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="21381" PostId="6582" Score="1" Text="@Mari-LouA hey there. To address your comment, perhaps I have not posted or commented recently on MSE (nor did I state so on the text you quoted), but like I stated there, I am frequently *keeping and eye, watching, reading*, etc., what's on MSE. You don't necessarily have to post questions or answers to keep updated on the situation... (in fact, I think it's the contrary: reading and watching gives one more information about the state of things than posting)" CreationDate="2020-03-03T17:46:41.153" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21382" PostId="6582" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus That is what I do as well. FWIW" CreationDate="2020-03-03T19:25:13.473" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21291" PostId="6583" Score="1" Text="I guess we could disagree regarding what is and what isn't objectively poor." CreationDate="2020-02-24T23:59:43.607" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21297" PostId="6583" Score="0" Text="My définition would be a short, unbacked opinion worded as &quot;do that in your own interest&quot;." CreationDate="2020-02-25T07:43:38.590" UserId="45534" />
  <row Id="21298" PostId="6583" Score="1" Text="I don't think having a formal back-up policy requirement for answers would reduce the saltiness. All it does is force people to add anecdotes from their experience which are usually tangential and in case of someone who just wants to stir the pot, can be trivially made up. Then we're engaging in a meta-level argument over which experience scenarios are plausible and thus drifting further from generating good content." CreationDate="2020-02-25T08:49:30.270" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21299" PostId="6583" Score="1" Text="Bottom line is, if you see a bad answer, downvote it. Delete vote it if you have the rep for it and feel strongly about it, but I don't think we should get the mods in the game of judging post quality outside of exceptions like an editorial board." CreationDate="2020-02-25T08:50:12.620" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21300" PostId="6583" Score="1" Text="@Magisch What about other kind of policies ? Right now the help and FAQ are all very permissive about advices, but there are cases where they state pure opinions and provide nothing informative. I would very gladly edit/comment/downvote/delete answers that don't fit my personal standards, but I would prefer we had a community agreement about what *should* be edited/downvoted/deleted. Otherwise, it's just my opinion that something is &quot;bad&quot;. Mods not necessarily actively judging." CreationDate="2020-02-25T09:44:38.233" UserId="45534" />
  <row Id="21301" PostId="6583" Score="0" Text="see also: [Improving the System for Dealing with Poor Answers](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2403/168) (@Magisch you see, a while ago it was considered OK for moderators to be involved)" CreationDate="2020-02-25T11:31:39.690" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21302" PostId="6583" Score="0" Text="@gnat that was 5+ years ago. I'd say, if you want to do this, we would need a fresh set of community consensus for it." CreationDate="2020-02-25T11:35:19.147" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21303" PostId="6583" Score="0" Text="@Magisch maybe. I referred this mostly to point that it's not something set in stone (except for Stack Overflow where this is just impossible because of scale)" CreationDate="2020-02-25T11:46:34.810" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21316" PostId="6583" Score="1" Text="I wasn't making fun of the OP or anything like that, I don't know the chap/chappess (chappette?) from a bar of soap and I'm sure it's a nice enough person. I just answered the question without pretending I'm a therapist of any kind." CreationDate="2020-02-26T03:45:52.783" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21319" PostId="6583" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi There have been a lot of downvotes (along with upvotes) and comments on that answer for a reason. I am not a therapist yet I can perceive what violence there is when you advice someone that say he can't manage to be on time to &quot;discipline himself&quot;. This imply OP don't have discipline / isn't an adult. So I believed it was rude and flagged that." CreationDate="2020-02-26T07:40:25.433" UserId="45534" />
  <row Id="21320" PostId="6583" Score="1" Text="@ArthurHavlicek no implication, it's exactly what I meant, I don't have any lollies if you want sugar coating." CreationDate="2020-02-26T07:42:29.690" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21322" PostId="6583" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Interesting, you admit then you said something that's rude :)" CreationDate="2020-02-26T07:45:41.430" UserId="45534" />
  <row Id="21323" PostId="6583" Score="0" Text="@ArthurHavlicek sure, mildly unpleasant, can't always have the answer you want and the truth at the same time." CreationDate="2020-02-26T07:47:02.543" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21325" PostId="6583" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Personal judgement isn't true or midly unpleasant, it's R/A and should be flagged." CreationDate="2020-02-26T07:48:36.000" UserId="45534" />
  <row Id="21329" PostId="6583" Score="0" Text="[Related](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6441/this-question-doesnt-ask-for-legal-advice-but-the-answers-are-mostly-legal-wh). TLDR, answers can be objectively wrong and there's nothing you can do other than downvote it. All you can do is move on. (Rewording advice from a 47k rep veteran for of this site). Note, the answers linked in that post have been edited, so they aren't necessarily wrong anymore, but received something like 130 upvotes while being objectively wrong." CreationDate="2020-02-26T08:39:56.727" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21292" PostId="6586" Score="1" Text="If there aren't enough details, ask for more..." CreationDate="2020-02-25T00:52:39.283" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="21294" PostId="6586" Score="0" Text="@HorusKol Yup, I'm pretty sure I admit that in my answer. Not saying I did the right thing. Just explaining my reasoning." CreationDate="2020-02-25T07:18:51.783" UserId="57339" />
  <row Id="21331" PostId="6586" Score="0" Text="I think you're right in pointing out here that the OP is expressing uncertainty. I note, however, that this didn't stop you from declaring it &quot;madness&quot; for the OP cite sexism without providing &quot;a lot more context.&quot; Using the word &quot;madness&quot; is actually *blunt* and also wrong." CreationDate="2020-02-26T11:25:01.130" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21407" PostId="6587" Score="0" Text="I support you.." CreationDate="2020-03-04T17:30:13.823" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21308" PostId="6589" Score="1" Text="I'll grant you the gender aspect but &quot;age based issue&quot;? I don't imagine anyone is likely to opt for names like Lucinda or Ebenezer surely? Am I missing something there?" CreationDate="2020-02-25T14:48:03.777" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21310" PostId="6589" Score="1" Text="I thought of nicknames: geezer, snowflake....but who knows what somebody will read into a name." CreationDate="2020-02-25T16:49:56.423" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="21313" PostId="6590" Score="1" Text="*&quot;If you're concerned about any biasing effect on the question it may be advisable to leave a comment reminding the OP that they can roll your edit back if preferred.&quot;* - This is a good suggestion. Giving the benefit of doubt in case OP really wanted to avoid names, but making a useful edit to improve readability." CreationDate="2020-02-25T23:13:50.333" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21312" PostId="6591" Score="3" Text="*&quot;The OP has chosen to use initials for a reason.&quot;* - Yup, I think this is the correct analysis. Doing an edit to forcefully include names (although not with bad intentions) could perhaps fall into the &quot;Conflicts with author's intent&quot; category, which is a reason given to reject suggested edits. If readability is compromised, perhaps asking OP to consider including fake names instead of initials would be the way to go." CreationDate="2020-02-25T23:12:02.957" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21309" PostId="6592" Score="0" Text="Upvoted for your last paragraph!" CreationDate="2020-02-25T15:07:52.577" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21318" PostId="6592" Score="0" Text="I point out an answer as salty, and I believe you deny that by adding assertiveness and salt so I'm a bit sad. In my humble opinion it's an example of casual unnecessary violence in twp. I upvoted for useful input nonetheless." CreationDate="2020-02-26T07:29:12.013" UserId="45534" />
  <row Id="21317" PostId="6595" Score="0" Text="The workplace is fairly unimportant in the big picture so everyone just does whatever they want." CreationDate="2020-02-26T03:56:03.580" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21327" PostId="6595" Score="7" Text="Keep in mind that the vast majority of questions are already asked by one-time-use accounts, across the network. Most of the community activity is based on answering questions more than asking them." CreationDate="2020-02-26T07:59:27.947" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21333" PostId="6595" Score="2" Text="What would the issue be? Why is it a problem that a person would ask a question here under a different pseudonym than the one they use on another SE site?" CreationDate="2020-02-26T12:11:04.007" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="21334" PostId="6595" Score="0" Text="*are we not just naturally pushed towards the solution of creating a throwaway account just to ask a question?* can you clarify why you feel pushed to create a throwaway account for content that you want people to associate with your real account? I'm struggling to understand this, which makes it hard to address your question." CreationDate="2020-02-26T13:35:54.927" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21335" PostId="6595" Score="2" Text="this is probably related: [How can I ask questions on this site anonymously?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1911/168)" CreationDate="2020-02-26T15:07:50.413" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21336" PostId="6595" Score="2" Text="Also related on the main Meta: [How should sockpuppets be handled on Stack Exchange?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/57682/how-should-sockpuppets-be-handled-on-stack-exchange) I think this is probably the guiding factor in my opinion, from the accepted answer: &quot;...if the second account allows you to do something on the site that your normal account would be prevented from doing, it is abuse.&quot;  I.E. If you're not using it for voting fraud, ban evasion, or other sock puppet type activity like commenting/answering on your other account's posts, I don't see a problem with it." CreationDate="2020-02-26T17:07:32.290" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="21370" PostId="6595" Score="1" Text="I'd suggest that it detracts from the overall quality--I think posts made by throw-away accounts often don't receive the followup attention (ie, edits and answers to requests for clarifications) that they need. I have no data to back this up though, other than my own experience with throwaway accounts and what I've noticed here. Of course, not every account that only asks 1 question was meant to be a throwaway either, so it's hard to gauge" CreationDate="2020-03-03T04:04:46.510" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21485" PostId="6595" Score="1" Text="See also [this Meta.SO on sockpuppet rules](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/388984)" CreationDate="2020-03-09T18:40:22.453" UserId="71403" />
  <row Id="21337" PostId="6598" Score="5" Text="This is a great question and I go both ways on this one.  Being a moderator I only cast my close vote for what I believe is 100% necessary.  Before I was a moderator if a question met one of the closing criteria I would **strongly** consider voting to close it *regardless* of a questions popularity." CreationDate="2020-02-26T17:21:52.750" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21338" PostId="6598" Score="3" Text="Might make sense to define &quot;a large number of people&quot;. For any question that gets pushed to HNQ, popularity instantly becomes a meaningless metric. HNQ visitors rarely downvote and most aren't able to VTC to begin with." CreationDate="2020-02-26T21:01:55.877" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21339" PostId="6598" Score="1" Text="Also, if you are after an answer to the general case of popularity versus topicality (which I swore we had addressed on meta before but I can't find it), it's generally recommended to not link to a specific example. As you can see answers then tend to focus on the circumstances of the example rather than the broader case." CreationDate="2020-02-26T21:03:32.167" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21342" PostId="6598" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal you maybe thought of [this](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/5415/168)? Also there is an older discussion of topicality vs popularity [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4138/168) (wrt closing questions with accepted answers it seems to be well covered [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4405/168))" CreationDate="2020-02-27T09:15:16.980" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21343" PostId="6598" Score="1" Text="@gnat Hah, yes indeed. Another argument in favour of making general / best practice questions separate from specific instances because they are a pain to search for. :)" CreationDate="2020-02-27T09:23:49.380" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21344" PostId="6598" Score="0" Text="Thanks all, will bear that in mind whenever using meta in future." CreationDate="2020-02-27T10:07:12.093" UserDisplayName="user81330" />
  <row Id="21444" PostId="6598" Score="0" Text="When I read that question I didn't understand that it was looking for mind-readers, instead I understood it to ask whether anyone had seen that interview technique before and, if so, what is the point of it. In fact, re-reading the question now, I see that the asker specifically stated &quot;Has anybody ever seen a similar exercise at a job interview?&quot;, which seems pretty clear to me. Maybe you didn't read the whole question before voting to close it?" CreationDate="2020-03-06T16:06:29.733" UserId="70164" />
  <row Id="21445" PostId="6598" Score="0" Text="@AaronF 3 of the 4 points, to me, were non answerable/required knowledge from the interviewers themselves. &quot;What skills and traits are the interviewers really looking for?&quot;, &quot;How does one do well?&quot;, &quot;Is there a better way to address / prepare for such an odd interview?&quot;. As interview practices are highly company specific, especially an &quot;odd&quot; one like this, my belief was that all the answers will be nothing better than opinions and speculation. Either way, my concern was more with the vote-count than the specific reason (which I was comfortable with). But to be clear; &quot;yes I read the question&quot;" CreationDate="2020-03-06T16:17:12.513" UserDisplayName="user81330" />
  <row Id="21446" PostId="6598" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. Those other three points I personally thought were overly generic and obvious: &quot;how does one do well in an interview?&quot;. For the first question I expected to find an answer saying &quot;ah yes this is the famous _planks of wood_ question, popularised in the late 1980s at IBM&quot; or something along those lines. But yes, as you say, the specifics of that question are beside the point of this question :-)" CreationDate="2020-03-06T17:34:02.770" UserId="70164" />
  <row Id="21340" PostId="6600" Score="1" Text="It's apparently again attracting close votes. I already voted to reopen the first time it was closed so I can't again. May have to edit the title of this later on." CreationDate="2020-02-27T07:16:45.417" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21531" PostId="6600" Score="0" Text="Asking for a list of tactics (or a list of anything else) would be too broad, and the question is definitely sprinkled with a bit too much &quot;tell me your personal experience&quot; and invites discussion as opposed to asking an concrete question. But underlying question of how to keep employees motivated is probably fine. It's sad that barely any of the answerers or close- or reopen voters bother making significant edits to questions. And yes, I put &quot;answerers&quot; first for a reason: they should be the most motivated to make sure the question they're answering is the best it can be." CreationDate="2020-03-11T20:18:23.740" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="21532" PostId="6600" Score="0" Text="@Dukeling - to be fair, answerers likely think the question is good enough to provide an answer. Seems like they would be less likely to see a reason to improve it." CreationDate="2020-03-11T20:33:12.013" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21533" PostId="6600" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Posting an answer comes with an implied endorsement of the question. I wouldn't endorse something that's not of decent quality. And I want my answers to be as useful as possible to as many people as possible. Making my answer as general as possible without sacrificing the specificity required to help OP is one way to do this, but making an overly-specific question I answer more general makes it much easier to find for others with a similar problem and makes it seem like it better matches their problem. But of course I don't expect everyone to share my way of thinking." CreationDate="2020-03-11T20:54:25.380" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="21345" PostId="6601" Score="0" Text="I think this kind of thing is inevitable now that the site has reached a point where any questions that aren't duplicates are likely to be extremely esoteric. One of my own questions was closed as &quot;unclear&quot; after it was upvoted and someone understood it well enough to provide the correct answer. Eventually it was reopened. I ended up closing it as a duplicate myself, once I knew the key words from the answer." CreationDate="2020-02-27T20:39:07.140" UserId="82026" />
  <row Id="21377" PostId="6601" Score="1" Text="Questions that lack clarity often receive answers from people who are making assumptions or trying to answer the overly vague question anyway, and there's a reason why upvoting and downvoting is distinct from closing and opening." CreationDate="2020-03-03T14:47:07.947" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="21351" PostId="6604" Score="0" Text="In other words, &quot;You SE your way, I'll SE mine&quot; but with a vastly different weight of opinion given to those with close votes." CreationDate="2020-02-28T16:41:03.307" UserId="82026" />
  <row Id="21362" PostId="6604" Score="1" Text="Yep, we don't make the rules." CreationDate="2020-02-29T12:14:29.530" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21348" PostId="6606" Score="2" Text="If the Workplace SE forum was a place, I imagine it to have a huge sign &quot;No girls allowed. Exceptions can be made for  working in IT&quot;. Well spoken." CreationDate="2020-02-28T15:52:47.753" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21347" PostId="6607" Score="1" Text="And then you have Reddit for Professionals™" CreationDate="2020-02-28T08:26:38.937" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21349" PostId="6607" Score="0" Text="@Mars In which case?" CreationDate="2020-02-28T16:34:38.070" UserId="82026" />
  <row Id="21358" PostId="6607" Score="2" Text="dwizum mentions in their answer that often, questions/answers get &quot;likes&quot; rather than quality upvotes. without control, this would eventually lead to no difference between SE and Reddit" CreationDate="2020-02-29T01:01:48.733" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21369" PostId="6607" Score="0" Text="@Mars Reddit sucks for other reasons, but this is precisely why SO is hemorrhaging its most valuable contributors." CreationDate="2020-03-01T17:58:09.330" UserId="82026" />
  <row Id="21354" PostId="6608" Score="0" Text="The question does seem to have a clear goal though: *keep employees motivated.* Personally, I don't think &quot;too broad&quot; should apply unless a question is broad to the point that it is literally unanswerable. And the presence of several highly voted answers on this question seems to think that a very large number of people consider this question answerable. I think it would be a disservice to close it (again)." CreationDate="2020-02-28T19:58:45.160" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21364" PostId="6611" Score="0" Text="Are these new questions? or are they old questions?" CreationDate="2020-02-29T19:23:20.533" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="21365" PostId="6611" Score="1" Text="Are you putting an actual &quot;tl;dr: [summary]&quot; at the top or just summarising the key question of the post? I would read the former as rather rude especially considering the latter is just about as much work and makes for a more readable question." CreationDate="2020-02-29T22:55:21.867" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21366" PostId="6611" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal here are examples https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/154086/feeling-cheated-by-my-organization-due-to-incorrect-details-in-relieving-letter and https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/154120/can-a-supervisor-forbid-me-from-being-friends-or-talking-with-a-co-worker" CreationDate="2020-02-29T23:29:13.763" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21367" PostId="6611" Score="2" Text="Would it be okay if you use the work summary instead?  I would probably be a little bit annoyed if someone implied my post was too long and has not to be read." CreationDate="2020-03-01T06:32:20.470" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21368" PostId="6611" Score="0" Text="@guest OK now i understand attitude! I didn't mean to insult OP. English-as-second-language is hard. &quot;TLDR&quot; ~ &quot;summary&quot; for my ear" CreationDate="2020-03-01T10:46:18.863" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21383" PostId="6615" Score="11" Text="congratulations to DarkCygnus" CreationDate="2020-03-03T20:16:54.240" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21384" PostId="6615" Score="6" Text="Congrats and good luck! I know you'll do great as a moderator." CreationDate="2020-03-03T20:36:45.973" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21385" PostId="6615" Score="3" Text="Can't sure what's most appropriate between &quot;congrats&quot; and &quot;my condolences&quot; ;) welcome to the (quite big) team of SE mods." CreationDate="2020-03-03T21:00:05.283" UserId="76091" />
  <row Id="21386" PostId="6615" Score="3" Text="Fantastic, great to see!" CreationDate="2020-03-03T21:15:54.037" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21387" PostId="6615" Score="1" Text="Congrats and good luck!" CreationDate="2020-03-03T21:52:35.523" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21388" PostId="6615" Score="1" Text="Congratulations, DarkCygnus. Let us know how we can help." CreationDate="2020-03-03T21:55:49.570" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21389" PostId="6615" Score="4" Text="Thank you to all the candidates who ran. A terrific field this go-round!" CreationDate="2020-03-03T21:56:27.093" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21390" PostId="6615" Score="3" Text="Congratulations DarkCygnus, and thank you to everyone who participated. We had an excellent field of candidates once again." CreationDate="2020-03-03T22:43:21.770" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21391" PostId="6615" Score="1" Text="Congrats @DarkCygnus :)" CreationDate="2020-03-03T22:53:49.787" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21392" PostId="6615" Score="2" Text="Thanks to everybody for your kind messages :)" CreationDate="2020-03-03T23:02:33.407" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21393" PostId="6615" Score="6" Text="Great, maybe you can do something about the psycho troll." CreationDate="2020-03-04T03:54:53.580" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21401" PostId="6615" Score="1" Text="Congratulations!" CreationDate="2020-03-04T08:45:03.303" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="21403" PostId="6615" Score="2" Text="Congratulations. Make sure nobody poops in your office and/or slits your seats while you are not on duty :P" CreationDate="2020-03-04T10:39:09.917" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="21421" PostId="6615" Score="1" Text="Congrats! @DarkCygnus :)" CreationDate="2020-03-05T14:36:57.373" UserId="102203" />
  <row Id="21429" PostId="6615" Score="1" Text="Well done, it was a strong field." CreationDate="2020-03-06T03:28:09.180" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21404" PostId="6616" Score="6" Text="Per my understanding Stack's own filters are pretty basic/poor. There is SmokeDetector, a community project, that is better but it works by a) being modified on new cases (should catch repeated strong/few unique characters already) and b) users flagging the post as spam and/or rude/abusive (as well as &quot;automatic&quot; flags if above a threshold) so it is only a post-posting measure that aims to speed things up." CreationDate="2020-03-04T11:59:17.637" UserId="38688" />
  <row Id="21406" PostId="6616" Score="0" Text="@TheLethalCompany That's my understanding as well. In this instance that question was flagged by SmokeDetector immediately and it subsequently got 5 confirmation flags as spam/rude within 15 minutes with the fifth confirming the deletion. Beyond that we can't really comment further on the automated processes in place. The position of SmokeDetector as a community project rather than an official SE one can be debated but I suspect it already has been on main meta." CreationDate="2020-03-04T16:21:16.553" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21448" PostId="6616" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure what there is to debate about SmokeDetector... it was created by users who care about quality content on the Stack Exchange network, because SE Inc. wasn't interested in ensuring that quality. The new management might be interested in changing that but I wouldn't hold my breath." CreationDate="2020-03-06T23:07:54.233" UserId="44593" />
  <row Id="21414" PostId="6619" Score="0" Text="I wanted to improve my question, the answer was pretty good already" CreationDate="2020-03-05T08:10:58.937" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="21408" PostId="6622" Score="0" Text="So far I've been dealing with the posts and situation as they come. I have plans to dig deeper into it (i.e. try to find a pattern and submit to Smoke detector). In the meantime continue flagging  (will try to work on an answer, g2g now)" CreationDate="2020-03-05T01:05:30.100" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21409" PostId="6622" Score="0" Text="what is the scale of the issue? I understand it is annoying, but is it a post/day or post/hour? I think i've noticed 2 &quot;troll&quot; posts today (kudos to mods for cleaning it up!)" CreationDate="2020-03-05T02:58:14.837" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21410" PostId="6622" Score="6" Text="@aaaaasaysreinstateMonica it is 3-4 posts a day about how to vandalize his office. The title is usually something like &quot;I did not get a raise?&quot; It then gets into how he kills fish, poops on the floor, wastes paper, etc. Then there are just the questions about poop in general." CreationDate="2020-03-05T04:22:45.380" UserId="111291" />
  <row Id="21411" PostId="6622" Score="0" Text="@MatthewGaiser sorry to hear :-( i try to flag" CreationDate="2020-03-05T04:54:42.077" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21412" PostId="6622" Score="7" Text="It's not just questions - they're also posting the same kind of thing in answers, as well as some more generally unhelpful and even offensive &quot;answers&quot;. I also think the recent lunch thief and financial independence users are probably the same person finally trying a different tack to the raise-and-poop questions" CreationDate="2020-03-05T05:43:40.117" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="21413" PostId="6622" Score="1" Text="@aaaaasaysreinstateMonica https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/154410/a-raise-was-not-forthcoming here is the kind of question they are posting again and again." CreationDate="2020-03-05T06:07:00.947" UserId="111291" />
  <row Id="21415" PostId="6622" Score="1" Text="when you see it, flag r/a or report it to charcoal HQ in case you're feeling generous" CreationDate="2020-03-05T09:34:06.723" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21422" PostId="6622" Score="2" Text="[My advice](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6580/repeated-poor-questions#comment21265_6580) from the earlier question on this remains in place: **flag as spam** and it will be gone within minutes." CreationDate="2020-03-05T16:13:29.820" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21423" PostId="6622" Score="2" Text="Perhaps you could contribute that as an answer to more effectively guide the site community to do that?" CreationDate="2020-03-05T16:14:38.483" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21480" PostId="6622" Score="0" Text="Could you feature this post to avoid getting more identical ones and help educate the user base please?" CreationDate="2020-03-09T13:31:47.220" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21502" PostId="6622" Score="0" Text="Does this answer your question? [That troll again, what can be done?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6637/that-troll-again-what-can-be-done)" CreationDate="2020-03-10T20:56:16.593" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21416" PostId="6624" Score="2" Text="There is no such thing as a clever spammer unless they make money out of it. They're either clever enough to monetise it, or too stupid to find something constructive to do. Just my opinion." CreationDate="2020-03-05T13:24:46.383" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21417" PostId="6624" Score="8" Text="@Kilisi they consider it entertainment, and the time trolling is considered entertainment time, especially if the recipient starts being frustrated. Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned, or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn." CreationDate="2020-03-05T13:53:13.097" UserId="114736" />
  <row Id="21418" PostId="6624" Score="5" Text="@Lucas Nice batman quote!" CreationDate="2020-03-05T13:59:40.483" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21419" PostId="6624" Score="7" Text="@Kilisi incorrect sir.  Some do it for sport, I promise." CreationDate="2020-03-05T14:00:42.287" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21420" PostId="6624" Score="1" Text="I like to daydream that this troll is really a brilliant (but perhaps evil) data scientist, training some new AI model on how to avoid countermeasures. The posts they're making certainly seem like they were written by a machine, considering the repetitive and outlandish nature of the content." CreationDate="2020-03-05T14:23:31.533" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21424" PostId="6624" Score="0" Text="I know some flags are more effective than others at quickly hiding content and sanctioning a related user.  Could you clarify the best way for people to flag?  And if content disappearing from auto flag action doesn’t automatically come to your attention, is there a way y’all would like to be made aware?" CreationDate="2020-03-05T16:16:31.157" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21425" PostId="6624" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk-SEstopbeingevil Flag it as spam." CreationDate="2020-03-05T16:35:32.993" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21426" PostId="6624" Score="2" Text="Right so having been a mod before *I* know that. I'm hoping you'll add it to your answer so everyone else knows it, since there seems to be a lot of other things people are doing when these troll posts hit." CreationDate="2020-03-05T19:53:28.500" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21427" PostId="6624" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi: I think many people visit this site to find entertainment in helping answers. This troll finds Entertainment in trolling. This is highly unmoral (probably), but doesn't make them more 'stupid' then the other people. A lot of people watch for example Youtubewithout getting monetary profit. This doesnt't make them stupid either." CreationDate="2020-03-05T21:27:56.277" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21428" PostId="6624" Score="2" Text="@guest yeah I know, wise sounding but actually nonsensical comments are my form of trolling" CreationDate="2020-03-05T21:32:32.310" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21430" PostId="6624" Score="1" Text="At the height of cleverness this might be some extremely bored person using VPNs or similar to have varying (range &amp; individual) IP adresses. In that case the best we can do is keep deleting it until they get bored. In any case, these posts rarely live to see the hour." CreationDate="2020-03-06T07:46:43.377" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21443" PostId="6624" Score="4" Text="@Kilisi - Can't wait to read one of the wise sounding ones. ;-) ;-P" CreationDate="2020-03-06T13:54:33.660" UserId="37323" />
  <row Id="21449" PostId="6624" Score="5" Text="Thanks for your efforts. The spam is often disappearing too fast for me to flag it." CreationDate="2020-03-06T23:11:03.487" UserId="19325" />
  <row Id="21456" PostId="6624" Score="0" Text="Why flag as &quot;spam&quot;, rather than &quot;rude or abusive&quot;, which seems a much better fit?" CreationDate="2020-03-08T04:45:29.510" UserId="19325" />
  <row Id="21457" PostId="6624" Score="1" Text="Because the SE algorithm works more quickly and bans more effectively if you flag as spam." CreationDate="2020-03-08T06:27:14.020" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21459" PostId="6624" Score="3" Text="@PatriciaShanahan &quot;Rude or Abusive&quot; should be used for genuine comments and such that are flat out unacceptable behavior. Spam is usually defined as unacceptable commercial content, but it can also be repeated acts of completely worthless material. If you know it's junk from someone that only produces junk. it's not only &quot;rude or abusive,&quot; it's SPAM!" CreationDate="2020-03-08T09:41:11.087" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="21567" PostId="6624" Score="0" Text="Is &quot;voting to close&quot; considered feeding the troll? If so, why?" CreationDate="2020-03-15T03:48:31.227" UserId="53888" />
  <row Id="21576" PostId="6624" Score="3" Text="@JeffreysupportsMonica it's not that it feeds the troll, it's more than if you are going to cast a flag the spam flag is a much better choice as X spam flags can auto-delete questions and ban users. Makes it a lot easier on the mods. And then I think a mix of VTC and spam flags on a post can cause problems." CreationDate="2020-03-18T16:30:13.280" UserId="63063" />
  <row Id="21577" PostId="6624" Score="0" Text="@CalvT there were few times when I somehow managed to mix spam, VtC (and delete votes at sites where I can cast these) and I didn't notice friction. I saw many meta posts explaining that edits are troublesome for spam handling mechanisms at our sites but nothing about votes down / close / delete. Though you have a point in that VTC may be a bit superfluous, I tend to abstain of wasting these on spam" CreationDate="2020-03-18T17:32:08.080" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21578" PostId="6624" Score="0" Text="Downvoting and votes to close spend your rep and votes to no useful effect, when flagging as spam is way more effective." CreationDate="2020-03-18T19:22:16.487" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21579" PostId="6624" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk-SEstopbeingevil Excellent point." CreationDate="2020-03-18T19:31:02.650" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21580" PostId="6624" Score="2" Text="One point to note is posts flagged as spam can show up in review audits, while abusive don't. I'm pretty sure that's the only difference these days between the two flags." CreationDate="2020-03-18T19:47:51.343" UserId="63063" />
  <row Id="21627" PostId="6624" Score="0" Text="@Neo Posts such as [this](https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/231428) have been reported, yet the account remains. Feel free to visit Charcoal Chat (link in my profile) to request anything relating to spam." CreationDate="2020-03-21T18:15:28.537" UserId="70590" />
  <row Id="21431" PostId="6625" Score="0" Text="Don't use the names or other identifiables, it is not needed, it doesn't help. And probably something to ask on meta?" CreationDate="2020-03-06T08:53:56.083" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21432" PostId="6625" Score="3" Text="Yes, these question are quickly deleted, as the one you linked. Additionally your question should be on meta, because it is not a question about the workplace as such but rather about what qeustions to ask and how." CreationDate="2020-03-06T08:54:13.693" UserId="111155" />
  <row Id="21433" PostId="6625" Score="0" Text="@quarague fair point, it does belong on meta." CreationDate="2020-03-06T08:54:52.550" UserId="115351" />
  <row Id="21441" PostId="6625" Score="5" Text="Between the troll who didn't get a raise and now this, DarkCygnus chose a heck of a time to join as a mod." CreationDate="2020-03-06T10:55:39.160" UserId="111291" />
  <row Id="21447" PostId="6625" Score="0" Text="@MatthewGaiser :)" CreationDate="2020-03-06T18:43:20.223" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21434" PostId="6626" Score="0" Text="If the question is otherwise good - you can edit out the names to be initials or just X,Y etc." CreationDate="2020-03-06T10:01:14.297" UserId="105591" />
  <row Id="21435" PostId="6626" Score="1" Text="&quot;Stack Exchange is not a court of law. So please don't forward to the people involved.&quot; What does being a court of law have anything to do with it? If someone comes and besmirches another person, openly and willingly, I wouldn't blame anyone who wants to then notify the said person. This shouldn't be a rule that somehow we enforce, but if someone feels like it, go for it, as people have the right to protect their reputation." CreationDate="2020-03-06T10:07:48.513" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21436" PostId="6626" Score="0" Text="@TymoteuszPaul It means we are not here to hear each side of the story and pass judgement which is what would happen in court. Even if we answer a question that is not a fair reflection of the truth of the matter, the answers may be applicable to others. Names should simply be removed." CreationDate="2020-03-06T10:16:46.000" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21437" PostId="6626" Score="1" Text="@GregoryCurrie I agree with that, but how is that related to not forwarding this story to the person named in the post?" CreationDate="2020-03-06T10:19:14.557" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21438" PostId="6626" Score="0" Text="@TymoteuszPaul I don't see why it's in the communities interest. I really don't see any possible positive outcome, and a lot of potential very negative ones, but maybe I am missing a positive outcome. What do you think would happen?" CreationDate="2020-03-06T10:22:17.973" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21439" PostId="6626" Score="1" Text="@GregoryCurrieI If people come here to besmirch someone publicly (like OP wanted to do with his initial post, check the comments) and we also openly advise people to not report it to the victim, then we are siding with OP. And I don't think that's right for anyone, including /workplace as it will invite more of those posts as they will be effective, even if with limited audience. So if someone feels that the thing said is bad enough to report, they should not be discouraged from doing so." CreationDate="2020-03-06T10:27:48.707" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21440" PostId="6626" Score="0" Text="@TymoteuszPaul I am aware of the history of both posts. It is not our job to side with anyone. So inactivity surely cannot be construed as &quot;siding&quot; with someone. Whatever &quot;siding&quot; means. I think we should actively discourage behaviour that is likely to lead to conflict. People, of course, have their own agency and can do whatever they want, and chose to ignore any discouragement." CreationDate="2020-03-06T10:38:24.730" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21442" PostId="6628" Score="2" Text="This is good advice, we should never stray into letting negative accusations against named individuals stay up, we are not equipped to judge or discern their validity. In addition to this, a mod flag is also prudent, especially if the post stays undeleted. Mods can redact revisions to remove potentially damaging personal information." CreationDate="2020-03-06T11:45:20.727" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21450" PostId="6630" Score="5" Text="A screenshot would be nice, for those of us under 10k rep" CreationDate="2020-03-07T14:05:34.183" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="21452" PostId="6630" Score="0" Text="negative score, posted by a deleted user. If there were no answers, system would automatically delete it after user deletion. One thing I wonder about is whether user deleted themself or it was mod deletion" CreationDate="2020-03-07T21:23:07.360" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21453" PostId="6630" Score="1" Text="@gnat the mods deleted the question, so I assume it was mods?" CreationDate="2020-03-08T02:33:17.220" UserId="111291" />
  <row Id="21454" PostId="6630" Score="4" Text="I flagged it to the mods, as I felt it was from our current troll who has posted similar non-poop questions. I guess the mods agreed" CreationDate="2020-03-08T04:38:24.983" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="21455" PostId="6630" Score="9" Text="I was one of the people who answered it. Although it has some elements in common with the troll, I did not see anything wrong with the question. In my opinion, questions that are reasonable in themselves should be given the benefit of the doubt." CreationDate="2020-03-08T04:41:07.650" UserId="19325" />
  <row Id="21461" PostId="6630" Score="4" Text="Trolls are trolls, don’t feed them, you’re not helping anyone when you do and you are letting a troll keep a toehold and getting in the way of their quick banning,  spend your time helping real people with real problems." CreationDate="2020-03-08T13:30:48.953" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21466" PostId="6630" Score="4" Text="@mxytplk - SE stops being evil: Trolls are trolls, this is true, but what is the connection to the question? Do you want to argue that this is a troll question or what?" CreationDate="2020-03-08T22:09:55.273" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21468" PostId="6630" Score="2" Text="@JimG. you asked this on a sunday, give it some time for him to show up. Iirc not all mods are active and monitoring meta during the weekend." CreationDate="2020-03-09T07:41:29.360" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21500" PostId="6630" Score="2" Text="is that the question with wall of text? i  VTCed and downvoted it. Maybe the Q was edited later, but ppl like me didn't care to follow-up and check on it" CreationDate="2020-03-10T16:40:36.123" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21537" PostId="6630" Score="5" Text="This question seems incredibly easy to salvage. I don't care if it was by the troll, the troll may have accidentally asked something good. I said it before and I'll say it again--questions should be evaluated on their own merits, not taking OP's identity into account." CreationDate="2020-03-12T02:03:45.077" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21547" PostId="6630" Score="0" Text="under 10K rep I can't see original question text but the quote that was added here looks like a solid match for [known close reason](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2696/168 &quot;'Questions require a goal that we can address...'&quot;). Given that asker account was deleted I can't see how it could be salvaged, because respective guidance for reopening seems to require their participation, &quot;explain what you want to do to make it better...&quot;" CreationDate="2020-03-12T15:47:11.907" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21552" PostId="6630" Score="1" Text="Does this answer your question? [Why was this question about handling the fallout of a crass joke deleted?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4414/why-was-this-question-about-handling-the-fallout-of-a-crass-joke-deleted)" CreationDate="2020-03-12T22:46:18.127" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21555" PostId="6630" Score="4" Text="@gnat: No, it doesn't. Not even close. Why did you vote to close my question? Were you bored? This is Meta." CreationDate="2020-03-13T01:51:21.830" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="21556" PostId="6630" Score="1" Text="your comments didn't make a compelling difference with duplicate to me, sorry. The differences I can see myself only support my understanding - unlike here the question discussed over there was positive score and on-topic and it was nevertheless mod deleted and [the answer from Community Manager](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4415/168) gives thourough reasoning for that (which seems to also apply here)..." CreationDate="2020-03-13T09:02:42.783" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21557" PostId="6630" Score="3" Text="...twist it however you like but to me it looks like a standard handling of the fairly standard case: questions from troll accounts may be mod deleted irrespectively of score, answers, topicality etc. Other meta discussions linked to duplicate show that there were other prior cases of such mod-deletions and moderators referred to the same CM explanation linked in my prior comment" CreationDate="2020-03-13T09:02:54.083" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21559" PostId="6630" Score="3" Text="@gnat Still confused why you think this is a troll question. Or even if it is, why does it matter so much? Seems like a pefectly legitimate question that someone could ask. Why not just ignore it and move on? You're not even a mod." CreationDate="2020-03-13T15:55:22.820" UserId="91988" />
  <row Id="21564" PostId="6630" Score="1" Text="@user91988 I have seen cases like this before, deleted user account combined with mod deletion make solid indication of what happened (you may not know but over here moderators quite firmly abstain of deleting non-abusive looking questions and the only exception I've seen so far was with troll accounts). As for your proposal to ignore and move on, I am wrong person to ask about this. I simply described that this is how things are done by community managers and by moderators over here and I have no involvement in that (nor I am interested in being involved)" CreationDate="2020-03-13T16:17:24.767" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21565" PostId="6630" Score="4" Text="@gnat: Until Neo weighed in, you had no idea. Please retract your close vote and let's call it a day. You are *very* quick to close questions." CreationDate="2020-03-13T22:25:02.183" UserId="437" />
  <row Id="21566" PostId="6630" Score="1" Text="you make it sound like it's something cryptic and obscure but it really isn't. I've got most details of this puzzle almost immediately when 10k user clarified that question was mod deleted. And it fully completed when folks edited in quote that confirmed my recollection that text wasn't offensive (I saw it before deletion). It only took me a while to get curious about details of prior meta discussions of similar cases and find out that we already have an authoritative guidance on that" CreationDate="2020-03-13T23:22:54.843" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21458" PostId="6632" Score="1" Text="They could tag the other question as featured." CreationDate="2020-03-08T06:28:18.240" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21479" PostId="6632" Score="5" Text="I'm not sure if there's a satisfying answer to this. Somehow sending a broad message to the whole community about this would seem to play into the attention-seeking nature of the troll even more so than questions occasionally sitting long enough to trick users into interacting." CreationDate="2020-03-09T11:20:12.850" UserId="83999" />
  <row Id="21481" PostId="6632" Score="1" Text="I agree with dwizum here, if you want to optimize anything it should be delete time not informing more people about it, attention is the goal." CreationDate="2020-03-09T14:50:41.057" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21501" PostId="6632" Score="0" Text="Does this answer your question? [That troll again, what can be done?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6637/that-troll-again-what-can-be-done)" CreationDate="2020-03-10T20:55:49.780" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21520" PostId="6632" Score="1" Text="@gnat not really - while it does have excellent advice on how to deal with the troll, it doesn't explain how to get that information to users who don't frequent meta" CreationDate="2020-03-11T00:55:29.077" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="21911" PostId="6633" Score="0" Text="&quot;kill this user&quot; sounds bad.." CreationDate="2020-08-11T18:38:00.807" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21462" PostId="6634" Score="3" Text="They don’t have content that’s why he’s asking." CreationDate="2020-03-08T13:31:25.270" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21465" PostId="6634" Score="0" Text="Unfortunately, I missed my opportunity as the question they did pretty has been deleted" CreationDate="2020-03-08T21:56:03.203" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="21550" PostId="6634" Score="1" Text="Or just flag ***anything*** at all (including this post, for example) with an &quot;in need of a moderator&quot; comment. They'll read it and then act accordingly." CreationDate="2020-03-12T20:28:53.183" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="21463" PostId="6635" Score="0" Text="I can't flag it after it has been deleted as spam" CreationDate="2020-03-08T17:36:52.213" UserDisplayName="user115423" />
  <row Id="21464" PostId="6635" Score="0" Text="@Asadefa Users who can view deleted posts still can I believe (though they still won't see the post if it was marked spam), but the broader point is that there's usually no real need to. If a post was removed as spam the user will be marked as a spam account and automatically [prevented from posting again.](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/86997)" CreationDate="2020-03-08T17:43:38.740" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21469" PostId="6637" Score="12" Text="Trolls are best just ignored. Their crap is irrelevant unless you make it relevant." CreationDate="2020-03-09T08:32:16.613" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21470" PostId="6637" Score="4" Text="@Kilisi just wait for your name to be used..." CreationDate="2020-03-09T08:42:09.463" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="21471" PostId="6637" Score="6" Text="I wouldn't care" CreationDate="2020-03-09T08:43:27.967" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21472" PostId="6637" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi and perhaps that &quot;laissez faire&quot; attitude gets us to where we are now..." CreationDate="2020-03-09T08:44:21.517" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="21473" PostId="6637" Score="11" Text="I don't care about that either to be honest" CreationDate="2020-03-09T08:45:11.690" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21482" PostId="6637" Score="2" Text="Charcoal added a rule to help catch these. Hopefully that helps tamp them down faster" CreationDate="2020-03-09T18:37:31.193" UserId="71403" />
  <row Id="21505" PostId="6637" Score="0" Text="Please [featured] this post." CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:13:13.153" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21525" PostId="6637" Score="3" Text="@SolarMike I agree with Kilisi on this one. Spending _any_ time on this is time lost, effectively. The network is based on &quot;assume good intentions&quot; and any anti-troll measures would interfere with that, penalizing the rest. Just let him be" CreationDate="2020-03-11T08:08:44.193" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21526" PostId="6637" Score="0" Text="@rath so what is your opinion of the Charcoal project?" CreationDate="2020-03-11T08:52:22.037" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="21527" PostId="6637" Score="1" Text="@SolarMike I'm not familiar with that. Is there a reference? I only found interior design websites looking it up" CreationDate="2020-03-11T09:50:19.340" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21528" PostId="6637" Score="1" Text="@rath the only reference I have is what Magisch said in the answer... I thought you might know more as you have a higher rep..." CreationDate="2020-03-11T10:03:03.720" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="21541" PostId="6637" Score="4" Text="@rath -&gt; https://charcoal-se.org/ this explains the charcoal project" CreationDate="2020-03-12T09:25:26.730" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21543" PostId="6637" Score="1" Text="cc @SolarMike it's essentially a community organized spam fighting operation that uses automatic tooling to detect and efficiently flag spam." CreationDate="2020-03-12T09:25:50.107" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21545" PostId="6637" Score="0" Text="@Magisch that reads well, and is good news for all of us. cheers." CreationDate="2020-03-12T09:27:47.477" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="21474" PostId="6638" Score="0" Text="I did flag it, but it is still there, oth, the other one has gone..." CreationDate="2020-03-09T09:30:25.700" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="21475" PostId="6638" Score="3" Text="@SolarMike moderator and community responses aren't instant. If you want it done faster, you can always make people in charcoal HQ aware of the posts to speed up deletion." CreationDate="2020-03-09T09:42:38.017" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21476" PostId="6638" Score="2" Text="Not everyone can report directly to smoke detector, but bringing up a spam/troll post there is liable to get it deleted within minutes in any case." CreationDate="2020-03-09T09:57:32.547" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21477" PostId="6638" Score="0" Text="@SolarMike IIRC, it takes a certain number of spam flags for the system to auto-delete." CreationDate="2020-03-09T10:02:25.423" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="21478" PostId="6638" Score="3" Text="6 Spam flags to auto-delete and lock a post @Kaz" CreationDate="2020-03-09T10:18:27.740" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21497" PostId="6638" Score="8" Text="Just to confirm from our side: this is excellent and comprehensive advice. You can read through the related threads on this for some answers from the mod team and other discussions." CreationDate="2020-03-09T23:10:42.710" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21536" PostId="6638" Score="0" Text="I'd also suggest to stop downvoting. Downvotes are essentially a score for the troll" CreationDate="2020-03-12T01:52:37.833" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21538" PostId="6638" Score="3" Text="@Mars downvotes don't look like that to me given that they tend to decrease posts visibility and open a way for high rep users to delete without moderator intervention" CreationDate="2020-03-12T08:55:46.643" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21539" PostId="6638" Score="0" Text="@gnat Do you get notified for flags? I don't recall. As Magisch says, 6 flags gets a post auto-deleted. If there are no notifications, then the troll gets zero sign that people have read the post, other than views I guess." CreationDate="2020-03-12T09:21:00.503" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21540" PostId="6638" Score="0" Text="@gnat But so far I've seen posts go as far as -9 deep. I bet that made the troll want to aim for -10." CreationDate="2020-03-12T09:21:27.553" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21542" PostId="6638" Score="2" Text="@Mars as long as negative score helps to hide the post from regular site visitors I see no reason to worry about what troll feels.They probably would want to post something again anyway, no matter what score (oh, I forgot to mention another useful thing downvotes do against trolls, they tend to trigger posting rate limits / IP blocks)" CreationDate="2020-03-12T09:25:43.167" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21544" PostId="6638" Score="1" Text="I recommend to stop worrying. If you see one, flag it. It'll be deleted within minutes. Any more thought you give to this is wasted, it's cruft that will be cleaned up." CreationDate="2020-03-12T09:26:53.187" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21546" PostId="6638" Score="1" Text="...thing worth keeping in mind is older sites in network (aka &quot;Trilogy&quot;) have dealt with all kind of trolls many years before Workplace even existed. If they would find that it is somehow better to abstain of downvotes when dealing with trolls, we would easily find such recommendations at their metas or MSE. But there is no such recommendations meaning downvotes are generally safe" CreationDate="2020-03-12T09:29:15.487" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21553" PostId="6638" Score="0" Text="@gnat I was unaware that downvotes were related to posting rate limits (doesn't seem to be an issue, since these are throwaway accounts?) or an IP block (which sounds useful). As for the psychology of a troll, well, i know some, which is why I know they'd be sitting there laughing at ever downvote they got" CreationDate="2020-03-12T23:15:06.830" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21554" PostId="6638" Score="0" Text="Probably laughing at this meta post too though. Anyway, do as you wish I guess! A silent flag sounds best to me :)" CreationDate="2020-03-12T23:15:58.863" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21495" PostId="6643" Score="0" Text="Hm. I guess the answers would be really different if one of the similar questions do not take place in the US. Maybe this should be in the title?" CreationDate="2020-03-09T22:39:25.103" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21496" PostId="6643" Score="1" Text="Don't you feel that asking *“can my boss restrict non-work related activity”*, is the same as asking *“can my boss [legally] restrict non-work related activity”*? That I think would be asking for legal advice..." CreationDate="2020-03-09T23:04:10.737" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21498" PostId="6643" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus we are treading the line between Interpersonal Relations and legal here a lot." CreationDate="2020-03-10T00:58:43.370" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21499" PostId="6643" Score="1" Text="Do we actually have and use any Canonicals for anything? I haven't noticed." CreationDate="2020-03-10T15:34:37.553" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21503" PostId="6644" Score="1" Text="At some point, the way of trolling becomes Spam... moment in which the flag would be appropriate I think." CreationDate="2020-03-10T21:33:21.387" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21504" PostId="6644" Score="2" Text="@DarkCygnus I think the Rude/Abusive flag would be better, if appropriate, or using a custom flag (especially when a troll attempt is more opaque) - spam flags should be reserved for promotional spam. See also https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/218095/what-s-not-spam https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/234032/why-dont-we-treat-rubbish-the-same-as-spam" CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:10:28.483" UserId="63134" />
  <row Id="21506" PostId="6644" Score="0" Text="The bottom line is that the spam flags work the best for quick blocking in the SE algorithm.  Using anything else will work worse unless SE central implements a feature. They won't, so us doing anything other than flag as spam is just doing things worse." CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:15:28.810" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21507" PostId="6644" Score="7" Text="A Troll flag seems reasonable to me, if it worked like the Spam flag does. Maybe it would just be easier to change the text of the flag to say &quot;Spam or Trolling&quot;." CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:26:35.667" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21508" PostId="6644" Score="0" Text="@BryanKrause they involve extra typing of reasons etc,. thats a minor win for the troll" CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:40:17.350" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21509" PostId="6644" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere thats a better idea, just a small change of text" CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:40:50.543" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21510" PostId="6644" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi The rude/abusive flag seems much more appropriate assuming the content fits that description, rather than Spam. Again, SE defines &quot;spam&quot; narrowly as promotional in nature, rather than a broader definition that includes &quot;junk and noise&quot;. See shog's answer here: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/218101/401068" CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:44:24.417" UserId="63134" />
  <row Id="21511" PostId="6644" Score="1" Text="@BryanKrause yeah, doesn't fit all trolling though, I just want an easy click, thats all a troll is worth. See it, click, move on." CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:45:38.217" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21512" PostId="6644" Score="3" Text="I take shog's advice there to support expanding the definition of &quot;abusive&quot; to include abuse of the system (trolling would be abuse of the system) rather than expanding the definition of spam." CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:46:52.577" UserId="63134" />
  <row Id="21513" PostId="6644" Score="1" Text="@BryanKrause whatever works for you, simple solutions are my preference, not refining definitions." CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:48:57.163" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21514" PostId="6644" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi That's fair, I just wanted to respond to DarkCygnus's suggestion that flagging as spam could work (which you also mentioned in your question as being inaccurate). If one is going to use one of the existing templates, I think it's better to use the rude/abusive one. That's all my $0.02." CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:51:06.533" UserId="63134" />
  <row Id="21637" PostId="6644" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi - I've edited my answer to also suggest an alternative. I don't know if it will appeal to you, but I want to draw your attention to it, in case it does." CreationDate="2020-03-23T11:12:44.137" UserId="81313" />
  <row Id="21515" PostId="6645" Score="1" Text="Doesn't seem very intuitive.But if it's not feasible, then it;s not." CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:52:16.930" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21516" PostId="6645" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Could you clarify what you mean by that? There's more detail on the rationale [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6622/addressing-the-troll-in-the-room) and especially [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6637/that-troll-again-what-can-be-done)" CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:53:44.283" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21517" PostId="6645" Score="1" Text="Exactly, I need to read the rationale (not intuitive),,, which is more effort than I'd make for a troll. But if we can't modify anything then it's ok by me.... I was just suggesting something." CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:54:55.590" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21518" PostId="6645" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Seems like it'd only be a problem for novice users who either can't flag or don't know how anyway. Vast majority of flags come from established community users with most from regulars who keep an eye on meta as well. I'm not sure there's much else to gain by specifying anything in further detail?" CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:57:29.760" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21519" PostId="6645" Score="1" Text="it doesn't matter if there was anything to gain, we can't change it so moot" CreationDate="2020-03-10T22:58:37.990" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21529" PostId="6645" Score="1" Text="So, take the question to main meta?" CreationDate="2020-03-11T10:39:23.183" UserId="79679" />
  <row Id="21634" PostId="6645" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - While your answer is useful in terms of whether or not it _could_ be done, it seems a little out of sync with the question, which seems to be &quot;_should_ it be done?&quot;" CreationDate="2020-03-23T10:35:27.880" UserId="81313" />
  <row Id="21659" PostId="6645" Score="0" Text="@AikenDrum Well, only the first paragraph explains why it can't be done. As Haem indicated that means any such proposal would need to go to main meta as a feature request. But the rest of my answer covers my stance on this and why in my view it shouldn't be done." CreationDate="2020-03-23T19:54:04.687" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21521" PostId="6646" Score="1" Text="na.... doesn't have to be rude. Our chap is an amateur, hence the poo, racism and swearing, but trolling can be very politely done." CreationDate="2020-03-11T05:01:03.827" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21522" PostId="6646" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi It's intrinsically rude to troll, though (which is why it's banned in the first place)." CreationDate="2020-03-11T05:02:03.487" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="21523" PostId="6646" Score="0" Text="thats a different issue.It's rude to disagree as well, but we do it." CreationDate="2020-03-11T05:03:02.370" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21524" PostId="6646" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi I don't agree - it's almost inevitable (or, at least, unavoidable) that people will disagree, but it's not inevitable that people will troll." CreationDate="2020-03-11T05:04:12.120" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="21581" PostId="6646" Score="1" Text="I wish I could agree with this, but I've stumbled on numerous people (not on SE) arguing with me that their trolling actually was a little jest and that I should get a sense of humour." CreationDate="2020-03-19T10:21:49.113" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="21633" PostId="6646" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi - I disagree with your claim that it's rude to disagree. I'm not being rude, I'm just offering a different point of view, i.e. that disagreement is not rude. You seem far too quick to assign broad labels without sufficient backing evidence and/or rationale, which is why I've written a &quot;No&quot; answer to your question." CreationDate="2020-03-23T10:33:06.347" UserId="81313" />
  <row Id="21635" PostId="6646" Score="0" Text="@AikenDrum in my culture disagreeing with an elder even if they're totally palpably wrong is extremely rude and has been the cause for war in older times, so it's relative." CreationDate="2020-03-23T10:36:15.210" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21636" PostId="6646" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi - That is definitely not the norm worldwide. Your elders are just using the fallacy of &quot;argument from authority&quot; to defend their wrong ideas against legitimate questions. In most Western societies _that_ and _they_ would be what is seen as being &quot;rude&quot;. &#xA;&#xA;It's a bit like how some societies or social castes treat &quot;honor&quot; differently, with commoners seeing honor as something bestowed on someone for their good and humble works, while the aristocracy sees honor as something others are obliged to bestow, lest they suffer the consequences of not knowing their place in society." CreationDate="2020-03-23T10:48:03.550" UserId="81313" />
  <row Id="21638" PostId="6646" Score="0" Text="@AikenDrum because it differs from your non-culture right now doesn't mean it's wrong, probably was the same in your ancestors time at some point. And the whole World? What would you know about that?" CreationDate="2020-03-23T11:35:48.773" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21643" PostId="6646" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi - I simply meant that what you described for your society is not the norm worldwide, not that the norm worldwide is decidedly the opposite. Neither set of social rules is the norm in a diverse world. However, _on an English-language site_, the majority of users will have Western values and mores. In most of the west, what I described is usually how rudeness would be evaluated. I don't mean to imply more than I've said, nor did I issue a judgement on your _society_ being &quot;wrong&quot;—I only spoke to what you said about your _elders_ having &quot;palpably wrong&quot; ideas they defend via seniority." CreationDate="2020-03-23T11:57:17.367" UserId="81313" />
  <row Id="21645" PostId="6646" Score="0" Text="@AikenDrum since I'm both an elder and a chief I'll happily confirm that it's an outdated cultural burden that holds back progress :-) and one I regularly flout" CreationDate="2020-03-23T12:04:22.740" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21534" PostId="6647" Score="1" Text="Is there so much traffic here that the troll is taking oxygen away from genuine questions? I don't think so. People will downvote low quality questions, there's no need to go on a troll hunt. Now we have 2 dedicated links in the side-bar about the troll so good job." CreationDate="2020-03-11T21:51:25.537" UserId="106689" />
  <row Id="21535" PostId="6647" Score="2" Text="So you are sad troll posts get deleted? Hmm.  &quot;Are there so many important things in the side-bar that there's a need to sweat me about it?&quot;  Apparently so." CreationDate="2020-03-11T23:39:23.630" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21548" PostId="6647" Score="4" Text="How do you know with such certainty that it is a troll post? And even if it was (lets assume magic 8th ball), I see very little wrong with the question, so why would it get deleted?" CreationDate="2020-03-12T16:57:54.363" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21549" PostId="6647" Score="2" Text="Because I pay attention.  And because apparently 5 other folks agreed with me.  And for the reasons detailed in my answer already." CreationDate="2020-03-12T18:18:40.970" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21558" PostId="6647" Score="5" Text="I was one of those people - it didn't seem like a valid post to me at all" CreationDate="2020-03-13T09:35:46.003" UserId="105591" />
  <row Id="21560" PostId="6648" Score="4" Text="Thanks. It's always good to know the actual reason, rather than just guessing." CreationDate="2020-03-13T15:55:50.397" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21561" PostId="6648" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere We don't know the actual reason... just what gnat (whoever that is) says it is... He &quot;cannot share any additional information beyond this&quot;? Why?" CreationDate="2020-03-13T15:56:16.747" UserId="91988" />
  <row Id="21562" PostId="6648" Score="5" Text="@user91988 - pretty sure it's Neo that said what it is. Neo's a moderator and has my complete trust and support in this sort of matter." CreationDate="2020-03-13T15:57:22.553" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21563" PostId="6648" Score="4" Text="@user91988 I said why in my first sentence.  You don't need any further information." CreationDate="2020-03-13T16:00:10.303" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21582" PostId="6649" Score="0" Text="&quot;I do not think the covid19 tag should be destroyed since it is very likely that someone else will just recreate it with a new question.&quot; Blacklisting is an option." CreationDate="2020-03-19T13:49:12.650" UserId="26901" />
  <row Id="21583" PostId="6649" Score="0" Text="@Mast If we opt to make all COVID-19 questions just be tagged health instead as suggested by Dark Cygnus a blacklist of both terms should be done." CreationDate="2020-03-19T16:15:16.560" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="21629" PostId="6658" Score="7" Text="As you said health deals with `one's physical health`  I think that covid-19 deals more with societal issues (social distancing/ remote working, etc) than just a health tag would. covid-19 would be more on the lines of the whole company adjusting, while health would be them adjusting for you." CreationDate="2020-03-22T12:51:31.413" UserId="69104" />
  <row Id="21662" PostId="6658" Score="0" Text="I suggest making a distinction between general workplace health questions that will go on being useful for years, and questions specific to the current pandemic that will be very important for a few months." CreationDate="2020-03-25T22:02:36.123" UserId="19325" />
  <row Id="21663" PostId="6658" Score="0" Text="@PatriciaShanahan exactly. That's why we must be aware of the correct use of health versus covid-19, and fix the posts that require so." CreationDate="2020-03-26T19:36:48.100" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21664" PostId="6658" Score="0" Text="@PatriciaShanahan updated my answer to better reflect what I am trying to say." CreationDate="2020-03-26T19:58:10.570" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21573" PostId="6659" Score="1" Text="FWIW, we have a [tag:health] tag" CreationDate="2020-03-17T17:15:43.323" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21574" PostId="6659" Score="1" Text="We should not be handing out medical advice. Still, there are some questions that an experienced HR rep, manager, or employee could answer along these lines - just like some legal questions. We already close far too many questions. Let's try to treat each one individually, and answer what we can." CreationDate="2020-03-17T19:29:20.280" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21575" PostId="6659" Score="1" Text="Office management questions are often considered on-topic here but they more usually relate to managing human behaviour in a workplace and everything around that. Medical advice is well beyond our scope and realm of experience so I'd consider it simply off-topic. I feel like &quot;How do I manage impact of COVID-19 measures on our team?&quot; is fine while &quot;Which measures should I take?&quot; is not." CreationDate="2020-03-18T09:26:48.600" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21584" PostId="6660" Score="1" Text="There's no basis for changing the claimed cost. And why bother anyway? What's the difference?" CreationDate="2020-03-19T20:33:55.320" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21585" PostId="6660" Score="0" Text="The lack of country information clearly confused many other users, and there is no good reason not to add it, there is no SWAT squad waiting at the door..." CreationDate="2020-03-20T00:03:46.833" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="21591" PostId="6666" Score="3" Text="What about multiple jurisdictions? The options available to anyone losing their job over the next few months is going to vary wildly from one country to the next." CreationDate="2020-03-20T06:32:38.903" UserId="110" />
  <row Id="21593" PostId="6666" Score="3" Text="But will there be a single answer? What answer could help a steel mill worker in Ohio and a Butcher in Japan and a Project Manager in France?" CreationDate="2020-03-20T06:55:59.143" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="21594" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="@HorusKol Of course. (I don't think we should have multiple wikis if that is what you are asking)" CreationDate="2020-03-20T06:56:20.823" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21595" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt Even though they are different industries (and countries), there may be commonalities, in terms of government handouts, etc. So while there may not specific advice for an individual, there can be general things for people to look at. In addition, it may be a handy place to list links to any government material that has been released for the different countries. I personally would feel a little bad about closing a question without linking to something that can help the person, and I think the wiki may be the thing to do it." CreationDate="2020-03-20T07:00:45.077" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21596" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt But an answer per country kinda makes sense to me too. But I do think there are general tips going forward. This page has information that is useful generally, but also specific to Australia, for instance: https://www.finder.com.au/coronavirus-lost-job-help" CreationDate="2020-03-20T07:10:29.013" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21599" PostId="6666" Score="2" Text="Generally it would be... lost your job?.... find another job." CreationDate="2020-03-20T11:05:24.203" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21600" PostId="6666" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi I feel really happy for you that it is that simple for you. But for others, it's not the case." CreationDate="2020-03-20T11:30:42.363" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21602" PostId="6666" Score="2" Text="It's a nice thought, but I'm not sure a &quot;single answer&quot; is feasible, unless it's extremely generalized." CreationDate="2020-03-20T12:05:21.997" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21608" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere FWIW with some trickery system allows to set up a &quot;canonical&quot; question with more than one answer. There is a [collaborative effort lock](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/182566/165773) feature that formally seems to allow only one answer but I think I saw it in questions with few answers as well. My understanding is, if moderator applies this lock at question with more than one answer, these are kept and stay available for community maintenance, while no more answers are allowed for adding (except for when moderator temporarily retracts the lock to allow for adding new answer)" CreationDate="2020-03-20T16:14:16.017" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21609" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="@gnat - maybe I don't understand your point. I was trying to say that one canonical answer that could cover all the varied questions about unemployment and COVID-19 in all the different locales seems impractical. I don't see this as a &quot;system&quot; thing, more a &quot;content&quot; thing." CreationDate="2020-03-20T16:25:45.477" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21610" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere my point is if moderators agree to be involved in maintaining it, we can use system to have several answers under such a &quot;canonical&quot; question and keep it under control, so that it won't explode into some unresonable amount, like 50, 100 (that would make it too difficult for site visitors to obtain useful information)" CreationDate="2020-03-20T18:11:42.350" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21611" PostId="6666" Score="1" Text="@gnat - I understand. I don't see the value in that." CreationDate="2020-03-20T20:46:53.577" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21612" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere this week I had a chance to find value in controlling amout of questions twice. At my job I had problems that turned out addressed in Stack Overflow questions - which is generally normal - but it turned out that questions I stumbled upon this week just happened to have over 20 answers each. It was a nightmare to find solution that worked to me. I guess you need to learn considering things how these could look for a typical site visitor who is searching for solution to their problem" CreationDate="2020-03-20T20:50:36.550" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21613" PostId="6666" Score="3" Text="@gnat - I guess I value answering peoples' questions more than limiting them." CreationDate="2020-03-20T21:14:53.420" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21614" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I think we have incompatible interests then (though more in the context of SO because I rarely have workplace related questions). I simply can't afford approach of dumping my question to some &quot;volunteer helpdesk&quot; and waiting while some good samaritan comes and helps me (apparently risking that they won't come at all because volunteers are free to decide). When I have questions, I need to have answers ready and preferably easy to understand. If I find nothing at the page I'm looking at I simply close it and go to next one in Google results..." CreationDate="2020-03-20T21:30:32.800" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21615" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="^^^This incompatibility is not personal, just business. If I haven's had my salary at stake I wouldn't care. Hope you understand" CreationDate="2020-03-20T21:30:36.810" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21616" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="@gnat - you have never asked a single question here at The Workplace." CreationDate="2020-03-20T23:05:30.190" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21622" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere in previous comment I explained how I find answers when I have questions" CreationDate="2020-03-21T08:03:45.713" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21624" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="@gnat - yup, it sounds like we do have incompatible interests here at The Workplace. My interest is in helping people who ask Workplace questions." CreationDate="2020-03-21T10:50:01.137" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21628" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="This kind of remind me of [something vaguely similar the Travel SE did](https://travel.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3907/have-we-visited-all-the-countries-territories-as-a-community). Although I don't think this would be a great fit for this site. The users here are very much focused on answering the immediate questions of askers instead of trying to create generalised posts that provide value to those other than the asker. And this would exist *only* to provide value to others, while also likely not providing *that much* value, needing a lot of effort to maintain and being temporary." CreationDate="2020-03-21T22:02:41.363" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="21630" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="There might be some common themes to the problem, but there's going to be a variety of situations. Losing a job as a consequence to the pandemic is a wildly different thing depending on which stage one is at in their career, what profession, what country, what their local situation is, etc. There will not be a &quot;canonical answer&quot;.  Instead of trying to invent one in advance,  isn't it better to just see what questions and answers come in? When it is all over, maybe then someone can make a &quot;canonical answer&quot; for posterity." CreationDate="2020-03-22T17:40:10.697" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21717" PostId="6666" Score="0" Text="I've also seen several questions from people who had job offers delayed or rescinded (especially from people who quit their job and then had their offer rescinded). We should include that." CreationDate="2020-04-01T16:28:29.230" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="21603" PostId="6667" Score="0" Text="This https://www.moneysavingpro.com/cell-phone-plans/comparing-us-and-uk-bills/" CreationDate="2020-03-20T12:43:57.783" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="21604" PostId="6667" Score="0" Text="So don't buy a plan, just buy a phone. I got a phone which gives me a phone number, no need for a plan after that unless I want to ring out. Yet I answer probably 5 - 10 calls a day which costs me nothing. The caller has to pay I assume." CreationDate="2020-03-20T12:46:09.573" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21605" PostId="6667" Score="0" Text="My understanding is that in the US it is very common to spend that much, and the OP, instead of finding a cheaper alternative, is discarding having a phone altogether." CreationDate="2020-03-20T13:12:48.287" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="21606" PostId="6667" Score="1" Text="@Monoandale my understanding is that it's a troll wasting our time" CreationDate="2020-03-20T13:16:01.213" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21607" PostId="6667" Score="1" Text="you might be right" CreationDate="2020-03-20T13:28:59.027" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="21617" PostId="6669" Score="2" Text="My government doesn't have a single website, so it's a bit unclear, which one to go to. Actually, I googled &quot;COVID-19 lost job australia&quot; (and permutations) and I couldn't find anything from the government. I could find a lot regarding the actual virus itself, but not about losing your job, welfare, etc. If there was a stack exchange article addressing this, it wouldn't have been a waste of time for me." CreationDate="2020-03-21T02:59:10.603" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21625" PostId="6669" Score="1" Text="The _entire website_ is a waste of time with that logic :) Expert advice, concentrated in one place, et cetera et cetera..." CreationDate="2020-03-21T15:48:51.123" UserId="9549" />
  <row Id="21626" PostId="6669" Score="0" Text="@rath could be, but definitely so for corona virus which is an extremely temporary issue. It's new to many here, but some of us have been through multiple epidemics and country lock downs. It's not the black plague where 30% of the pop will die. It's a one off situation where by it's nature no one is an expert." CreationDate="2020-03-21T16:12:19.573" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21631" PostId="6669" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi, this is not an &quot;extremely temporary&quot; issue, the repercussions are going to last for many months. But yes, you're right about other places being better for immediate logistical and bureaucratic concerns that are specific to a locale. However, I expect there will be many interesting questions about careers and the workplace problems caused by this pandemic." CreationDate="2020-03-22T17:50:35.730" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21632" PostId="6669" Score="0" Text="@teego1967 this is my third epidemic involving lockdown in 5 years, life goes on.... so, not months... repercussions blend in pretty quickly. Our govts instructions are, don't hang out in groups, wash your hands, pray more." CreationDate="2020-03-22T23:15:14.037" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21650" PostId="6669" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi, you are lucky, I suppose, if this is no big deal for you and it's just another routine epidemic. Unfortunately, this particular one involves entire global supply chains being put on hold. I am going to take a wild guess that, maybe, your point-of-view is an extreme outlier." CreationDate="2020-03-23T12:47:27.457" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21657" PostId="6669" Score="1" Text="@teego1967 put on hold is correct, not cut altogether. I do understand your viewpoint, but no point getting melodramatic, people are resilient. If you mean the economic structure is breaking down, I think you're wrong, but maybe. Lets hope not, because that would mean war. In terms of the question posed my answer is correct." CreationDate="2020-03-23T18:27:46.890" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21639" PostId="6671" Score="0" Text="I've actually given up on the whole thing, mods say it's not technically doable, so thats enough for me. I just flag as spam and do the extra mouse click" CreationDate="2020-03-23T11:38:11.103" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21644" PostId="6671" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi - Fair enough, but I still think the question and answers here may be useful in the future when someone else is considering a similar request. Although I disagreed with the proposition, it was still a very good question to ask, which has actually reminded me to go upvote the question itself. " CreationDate="2020-03-23T11:59:48.343" UserId="81313" />
  <row Id="21646" PostId="6671" Score="0" Text="I'm not convinced it's worth an upvote, the only value we got out of it is we now know a limitation to what can be done by the mods. But up to you" CreationDate="2020-03-23T12:11:20.887" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21647" PostId="6671" Score="0" Text="Software is fluid. What's a limitation today may not be tomorrow, so there's always a chance this will become a valid question again in the future." CreationDate="2020-03-23T12:17:33.637" UserId="81313" />
  <row Id="21640" PostId="6672" Score="0" Text="Question looks fine to me... voting to undelete." CreationDate="2020-03-23T11:46:41.957" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21641" PostId="6672" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi: I noticed that maybe the user was deleted, but I'm not sure, because normally I cannot see deleted questions." CreationDate="2020-03-23T11:48:27.443" UserId="35882" />
  <row Id="21642" PostId="6672" Score="0" Text="I have no idea, just voting to undelete, anything else the mods can look into. I'm just a lowly user." CreationDate="2020-03-23T11:49:52.057" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21648" PostId="6672" Score="1" Text="I cast the last undelete vote. Not sure why it was deleted, it looked like a perfectly valid question to me. In fact, my company is making people take previous year's remaining vacation right now, because of the reason I remarked on in a comment. It's certainly pertinent information to many people in germany right now." CreationDate="2020-03-23T12:24:38.780" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21649" PostId="6672" Score="2" Text="digging into the timeline, it seems like the user that asked the question was destroyed by a moderator: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/155297/timeline an hour ago." CreationDate="2020-03-23T12:34:21.870" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21651" PostId="6672" Score="1" Text="Yup, part of a SPAM attack." CreationDate="2020-03-23T13:20:27.370" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21652" PostId="6672" Score="1" Text="Now it's closed without comment. Nice..." CreationDate="2020-03-23T14:39:53.913" UserId="35882" />
  <row Id="21654" PostId="6672" Score="0" Text="@gnat: I think your link is incorrect? This is about some other question?" CreationDate="2020-03-23T16:49:12.840" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21655" PostId="6672" Score="0" Text="@guest see comment from moderator above, it explains that removal reason is the same as in [linked answer](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/4415/168) (spam attack)" CreationDate="2020-03-23T17:04:29.550" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21656" PostId="6672" Score="1" Text="@gnat: Yes, it's helpful. Maybe it could be more obvious in the deletion message? It's difficult to find the reason even if you look up possible reasons in the help center." CreationDate="2020-03-23T18:17:16.040" UserId="35882" />
  <row Id="21658" PostId="6672" Score="0" Text="well a couple more reopen votes and it's back in action." CreationDate="2020-03-23T18:41:49.160" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21660" PostId="6672" Score="1" Text="Edited the question cause it needed some work and reopened." CreationDate="2020-03-23T19:57:17.510" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21661" PostId="6672" Score="0" Text="Good effort getting it undeleted and reopened. You had a solid answer as well." CreationDate="2020-03-24T08:56:02.287" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21665" PostId="6673" Score="9" Text="I'm not a big fan of these answers. It boils down to doing the moral thing for everyone at great risk of harm for yourself. This is a weighing everyone in this situation has to make, and we shouldn't be judging them for choosing their family's future, especially with the monumental amount of uncertainty at the moment." CreationDate="2020-03-27T05:20:13.247" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="21666" PostId="6673" Score="1" Text="If comments are recommending this, flag them (answers don't belong in comments regardless of validity). If answers are saying this and nothing else, I'd say they'd warrant downvoting. Are you seeing these answers also being highly upvoted?" CreationDate="2020-03-27T08:14:53.100" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21667" PostId="6673" Score="1" Text="Your question seem to skip entirely that in many countries (and so far the questions have been from said countries) there is legislation, or at the very least government recommendation to stay at home whenever possible. This is not just a question of one's personal morality at this point, but often national safety. Although I've not seen answer saying &quot;Stay at home, life will be amazing.&quot;. Instead those always outline that this may lead to loss of job, but that it's always secondary to health." CreationDate="2020-03-27T09:04:26.363" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21668" PostId="6673" Score="2" Text="@TymoteuszPaul Government &quot;recommendations&quot; count for very little. Obviously if there are laws in place to prevent people going to work, that's a different story. But even then, how the situation is approached can lead to different outcomes. I do not agree that &quot;health&quot; always comes first. It's up to the personal situation of the OP." CreationDate="2020-03-27T09:57:34.937" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21669" PostId="6673" Score="1" Text="@GregoryCurrie And because people think that they count for very little, the initial recommendations will eventually be turned into mandated and enforced lockdown. Rent can be figured out, so can grocery money, mortgage and other payments needed. But getting sick and possibly dying, or causing others to, cannot be postponed to a later date." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:00:07.470" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21671" PostId="6673" Score="4" Text="@TymoteuszPaul saying *&quot;Rent can be figured out, so can grocery money, mortgage and other payments needed&quot;* is easy.. but it doesn't offer anything particularly useful." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:14:58.530" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21672" PostId="6673" Score="1" Text="@motosubatsu For some people, it's also not true." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:16:00.197" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21673" PostId="6673" Score="1" Text="@motosubatsu mostly because the workplace is not the place to into details of how you can use various government/charity outfits to help through financial struggles." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:16:11.347" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21674" PostId="6673" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie absolutely." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:16:28.967" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21675" PostId="6673" Score="6" Text="@TymoteuszPaul Neither is it the place to give people whimsical platitudes, but it's **absolutely** the sort of place where we can advise people what sort of provisions are in place for workers." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:18:23.597" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21676" PostId="6673" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu I appreciate your tone about an issue that kills people, not may kill people - it actually does. I do not wish for you to experience someone close to you dying, but I can assure you that you wouldn't call that &quot;whimsical platitude&quot; anymore after that." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:20:35.333" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21677" PostId="6673" Score="2" Text="@TymoteuszPaul We all suffer loss at some stage. Hopefully we are all able to offer objective and meaningful advice regardless." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:25:59.610" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21678" PostId="6673" Score="4" Text="@TymoteuszPaul Oh come off it.. that's a straw man and you know it. I'm not downplaying the seriousness of the situation in any way. And frankly I resent the implication that I'm somehow being cavalier with people's health. You know what also kills people? Poverty, homelessness that sort of thing. All I'm advocating for here is that we give people real actionable advice to best navigate this." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:27:01.590" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21679" PostId="6673" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu This isn't a strawman, this is the reality of many people out there, mine included as of two days ago. Trying to put out a possibly temporary financial hardship against that somehow doesn't stack up. Most notably as I am the person giving such an answer, they are all on posts of people living in countries with solid social support systems. And those people should likely seek independent help on how to solve the financial hardships, without exposing themselves and others' safety." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:28:28.123" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21680" PostId="6673" Score="2" Text="@TymoteuszPaul That you would dismiss the very real concerns of many people as &quot;temporary financial hardship&quot; is breathtakingly naive at best and downright insulting at worst." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:32:49.013" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21681" PostId="6673" Score="1" Text="@motosubatsu I would say the same about dismissing the actual danger to people's lives, which you continue doing so lightly. There is an outstanding consensus that if people do not take the distancing seriously, now, we are facing a substantial amount of deaths, directly from the virus, and indirectly from the overloaded healthcare system. I cannot twist it badly enough in my mind to make it sound &quot;even&quot; to getting fired. Good for you that you can though." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:35:59.683" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21682" PostId="6673" Score="0" Text="@TymoteuszPaul Once again I am **not** dismissing the risks to people's lives nor am I suggesting that distancing is not extremely important and I continue to resent your implication that I am doing so." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:40:51.067" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="21683" PostId="6673" Score="2" Text="&quot;The question is usually asking how they can avoid doing the immoral behaviour without jeopardising their job.&quot; - sometimes doing the right thing requires courage. Similarly, if you feel that going to work jeopardizes your health or family's health, have enough courage to do what is right for you, then deal with the job situation later. Unfortunately, sometimes there is no free lunch." CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:47:58.723" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21684" PostId="6673" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere For some people, going to work does not pose a significant risk to either them or their family. For some people, the risk of having to live on the street is far greater. In other times, there are reasons why that risk makes sense. Maybe they are doctors or nurses? Simply saying &quot;have courage and do the right thing&quot; is reasonably useless. Strategies on how to convince a boss, go to work and minimise risk, or even how to avoid fallout from not attending work would be far more useful. Don't you agree?" CreationDate="2020-03-27T12:57:31.577" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21685" PostId="6673" Score="2" Text="@GregoryCurrie - in the questions I see, the OP claims to be worried that it's unsafe to go to work, or have family members that need care. At least they feel that the risk is significant. Should we assume they don't know what they are talking about? Or should we guess that it's really an &quot;I want to do what I prefer, but I don't want to suffer any consequences&quot; question?" CreationDate="2020-03-27T13:09:09.380" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21686" PostId="6673" Score="0" Text="@motosubatsu I took a step back for a bit, clearly, we have broken down in comms and that's not good. I think the key is that I am looking at this strictly from a workplace perspective, and losing a job is that - temporary financial hardship. A wider and more holistic view (out of bounds of /workplace really) then yes, there are bigger issues at play, but I personally think that those need to be handled separately, especially if they are so severe that even one missing paycheck can lead to spiral of poverty." CreationDate="2020-03-27T13:10:32.127" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21687" PostId="6673" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere Not at all. But if quitting work was an easy choice to make, they would have done so already. Obviously they are looking for potential solutions that allow them to retain their jobs (and possibly know their legal rights). The questions are quite open-ended. &quot;I want to do what I prefer, but I don't want to suffer any consequences&quot; makes it sounds like those that want to provide for their family are selfish in some way. But I think that's a miscategorsation, and we probably shouldn't just blindly assume that of the OP." CreationDate="2020-03-27T13:19:12.763" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="21688" PostId="6673" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie - to me the right answer for many of these situations is &quot;Do what is right for you and your family, even if it isn't an easy choice. Deal with job implications later.&quot; That said, every case is different. And everyone is free to provide their answer." CreationDate="2020-03-27T13:25:42.360" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21689" PostId="6676" Score="2" Text="voting system tends to break in HNQ, where we can get even poor quality answer upvoted by multiple clueless passers by if it looks entertaining to them. And COVID questions are practically doomed to get hot nowadays..." CreationDate="2020-03-27T15:33:26.423" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21690" PostId="6676" Score="3" Text="I thought you just clicked close on everything... you read some of them first? But that aside, I've never seen the HNQ as a problem. I just assume moderately intelligent adults are reading the answers and making decisions." CreationDate="2020-03-27T20:20:15.467" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21691" PostId="6676" Score="0" Text="now you have a problem with HNQ ritght there, in your answer since it seems to be based only on assumption that voting system works. And this assumption fails on HNQ" CreationDate="2020-03-27T20:25:48.603" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21692" PostId="6676" Score="0" Text="Voting system does work well enough, everything in life is a compromise at some level." CreationDate="2020-03-27T20:28:18.323" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21693" PostId="6676" Score="0" Text="oh, from this perspective one indeed can say that voting system works well enough - as in, it generally serves its purpose. It's just that purpose of HNQ is to entertain and voting system works well enouth to serve it. Though this is different from purpose of regular questions, which is sharing the knowledge / helping askers - which kind of makes one wonder why you suggest to downvote stupid answers. When your single downvote is easily countered by tens or hundreds entertained upvotes, this approach looks like just a useless waste of rep points" CreationDate="2020-03-27T20:54:29.477" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21694" PostId="6676" Score="1" Text="You can't hoard rep points and then cash them in at some point, they're not actually worth anything except to the individual" CreationDate="2020-03-27T22:35:43.257" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21695" PostId="6676" Score="0" Text="&quot;Feel free to downvote&quot;. Ok." CreationDate="2020-03-28T00:29:11.470" UserId="45282" />
  <row Id="21696" PostId="6676" Score="1" Text="@dan-klasson see... it works.... well done" CreationDate="2020-03-28T00:31:54.850" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21697" PostId="6676" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Jokes aside. That's not what the voting system is supposed to be for. But it is what the voting system is constantly being used for." CreationDate="2020-03-28T00:37:30.440" UserId="45282" />
  <row Id="21698" PostId="6676" Score="2" Text="@dan-klasson perhaps, not something that worries me or anyone else except a tiny minority who think they own the place I guess. Ironically the same people who were dismissed without thought and jumped up and down talking about suing and mutinying." CreationDate="2020-03-28T01:08:26.530" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21700" PostId="6679" Score="1" Text="This is something to ask on meta." CreationDate="2020-03-28T19:37:11.920" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21701" PostId="6679" Score="3" Text="it has no answers **you can see**. One reason a question gets protected is that it attracts low quality answers, which are deleted. For more, wait until your question migrates to meta where you can get a complete answer." CreationDate="2020-03-28T19:45:22.697" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="21702" PostId="6679" Score="1" Text="Whats meta?     How do I post there?" CreationDate="2020-03-28T19:49:21.147" UserId="116967" />
  <row Id="21705" PostId="6679" Score="1" Text="That question attracted some spammy answers. They were deleted, which is why you cannot see then." CreationDate="2020-03-28T21:40:27.753" UserId="111291" />
  <row Id="21710" PostId="6679" Score="0" Text="I had wondered why open source tends to be buggy, poorly thought out  rubbish, now starting to get a clearer picture, it's done by beginners trying to learn for free. I think I'll start counting open source contributions as a black mark against applicants." CreationDate="2020-03-28T22:56:05.327" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21712" PostId="6681" Score="0" Text="Hey there. Why not include in your post the draft of your question so we can better guide you? If it's not quite on-topic perhaps we can help you edit it to shape." CreationDate="2020-03-30T18:49:40.390" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21713" PostId="6681" Score="0" Text="you are welcome to use Meta for &quot;sandboxing&quot; the question. People won't answer it here but will help you write a better question" CreationDate="2020-03-30T23:17:02.710" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21714" PostId="6681" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus , aaaaa says reinstate Monica,  I inserted a message I would like to post. Thank you." CreationDate="2020-03-31T05:44:13.757" UserId="104603" />
  <row Id="21715" PostId="6684" Score="2" Text="it's a bit too complex to answer. No locale, no real idea of what the OP is asking and no two situations will be the same." CreationDate="2020-04-01T06:13:21.563" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21716" PostId="6684" Score="0" Text="Asking for surveys or research tends not to be well-received. And sadly, we have a group of close-happy folks that rush to vote to close for almost any reason. I voted to re-open, even though I doubt the OP will get the kind of answer they are looking for." CreationDate="2020-04-01T12:14:23.513" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21721" PostId="6684" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Sorry, the phrasing &quot;Are there any studies&quot; was added by me. I wanted to curve the question towards a more concrete answer, but it seems that hasn't been interpreted well!" CreationDate="2020-04-02T01:36:15.483" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21720" PostId="6685" Score="0" Text="Fair enough. I also think it would be better suited elsewhere, especially since answers here are usually more anecdotal than research based" CreationDate="2020-04-02T01:34:51.417" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21718" PostId="6686" Score="0" Text="I'm pretty sure the OP meant &quot;But does [the] embedded [software development domain] face the same trends?&quot; and not &quot;embedded face&quot;." CreationDate="2020-04-01T20:24:30.623" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21719" PostId="6686" Score="0" Text="The two parts quoted are also parts I changed. Oops" CreationDate="2020-04-02T01:33:20.790" UserId="88297" />
  <row Id="21722" PostId="6688" Score="2" Text="This is an interesting feature, and would make sense on some other platform. Not StackExchange, IMHO." CreationDate="2020-04-02T17:57:46.163" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21723" PostId="6688" Score="0" Text="cross-site duplicate: [Asking specific users a question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/188898/165773)" CreationDate="2020-04-02T21:50:19.957" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21729" PostId="6693" Score="6" Text="Many countries it's not" CreationDate="2020-04-10T07:17:37.273" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21731" PostId="6693" Score="0" Text="It’s offensive here;  that’s enough to screen for it and prevent absolute offensive content like that." CreationDate="2020-04-11T02:39:55.563" UserId="593" />
  <row Id="21733" PostId="6693" Score="4" Text="the downvoting is the screening" CreationDate="2020-04-14T02:08:43.800" UserId="8057" />
  <row Id="21746" PostId="6693" Score="0" Text="If it helps, there are new efforts to help us identify bad posts like that quickly so they can be removed faster." CreationDate="2020-04-15T02:13:37.373" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="21751" PostId="6693" Score="4" Text="It's the internet. You can't expect everything that gets posted to any site to be moderated before others can see it. And that's especially not how SE works. Sorry, but you're going to see things that offend you every now and then as part of daily life. Most of us get used to that by the time we reach adulthood, thankfully." CreationDate="2020-04-16T18:42:04.863" UserId="91988" />
  <row Id="21730" PostId="6694" Score="5" Text="That is a comprehensive answer which covers several good points - thanks." CreationDate="2020-04-10T07:31:22.407" UserId="75821" />
  <row Id="21734" PostId="6694" Score="2" Text="Can only echo Mike's comment. This answer covers our approach to handling spam and abusive posts and the publicly known counter-measures in place. For obvious reasons we cannot comment on what else takes place behind the scenes. Suffice it to say that we are loath to put too many barriers in place to prevent anonymous users (our largest source of questions) from using the site in good faith and that this means some crap will reach the community. As jmoreno's answer describes, that's where the **community moderation / screening** comes in." CreationDate="2020-04-14T13:28:26.903" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21827" PostId="6695" Score="0" Text="Whether you like it or not, OP deleting the question text because they no longer want it online **IS** vandalism on Stack Exchange, network-wide, including here. Once someone posts, no matter what, that post now belongs to the community, and the OP is a major voice in what happens next, but they are certainly not the only voice nor the absolute determinant of what can be done with it." CreationDate="2020-07-08T03:51:19.037" UserDisplayName="user119489" />
  <row Id="21831" PostId="6695" Score="0" Text="You can pretend that it's &quot;vandalism&quot; if you want, I know SE attracts sticklers for &quot;rules&quot;, and if the &quot;rules&quot; define it as such, then many of you uncritically accept that. But even you admit there's some extra latitude given to the author. The author can delete a question under certain conditions and can always edit it. I am just saying it would be better to give a bit more slack to the OP for deletion-- especially in the case of very short elapsed time from post to deletion and very little activity for the question." CreationDate="2020-07-08T15:16:17.730" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21732" PostId="6696" Score="1" Text="Well, there _is_ a from of screening - the process you describe." CreationDate="2020-04-12T23:25:18.510" UserId="57" />
  <row Id="21737" PostId="6698" Score="4" Text="Popularity is irrelevant if it's not on topic. On the face of it, that's a question asking about whether a particular metrics for software development is useful and what a &quot;good&quot; range is. An interesting debate but likely unanswerable and just not really a topic that Workplace tends to handle. We also don't have questions on what the ideal brick-to-mortar ratio is when building a house or how many customers a hairdresser should be able to handle in a day. [softwareengineering.se] might be better for this. Check [help/on-topic] as well." CreationDate="2020-04-14T15:59:30.093" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21739" PostId="6698" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I believe ultimately its about productivity which would fit better under workplace than under software engineering. That's just my opinion. And if it was asked at a wrong site, I would've appreciated if it was pointed out in the early stage than closing it abruptly when a large number of users had already engaged with it. Its still surprising to me why none of the large nunber of users who upvoted, answered and commented on the question didn't pointed out that its the wrong site for this question." CreationDate="2020-04-14T16:15:31.227" UserId="95096" />
  <row Id="21740" PostId="6698" Score="2" Text="Because the vast majority of them will have come to your question from the Hot Network Questions. This influx of off-site users will upvote the question and answers because they find it interesting. They will never vote to close it because they tend not to know what is or isn't on-topic here to begin with. You can read through some of the questions around HNQ on meta here to get a sense of our love-hate relationship with it. :) One of the main issues is that HNQ will propel a question to mass visibility and a large amount of upvotes when perhaps it should have been closed or put on hold." CreationDate="2020-04-14T16:49:28.737" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21741" PostId="6698" Score="0" Text="Fair point. This should be happening on all sites every second. There should be very few people knowing exactly what is on-topic on each of the SE sites.  So, the issue is with the platform itself. If it doesn't want off-site users to upvote any off topic question, it shouldn't serve the question to them through HNQ in its early stage. I shall back off now. Lets see if there are people who would reopen it, or else better to close this question as well. Thank you" CreationDate="2020-04-14T16:59:28.767" UserId="95096" />
  <row Id="21745" PostId="6698" Score="0" Text="I mostly agree when it comes to HNQ. In fact we tend to remove questions from HNQ  that meet these criteria but it's not something we can do in advance and it's admittedly an arbitrary decision. Anyhow, I hope you got some useful input at least. If you believe that parts of your question weren't properly addressed or you have a better way to word it you could consider editing it or launching a new more specific question." CreationDate="2020-04-14T21:11:28.503" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21747" PostId="6698" Score="0" Text="@VijendraParashar - I almost never vote to close, didn't vote to close this one, and have already voted to re-open it. Still, you already got 10 decent answers, yet haven't accepted one." CreationDate="2020-04-15T15:23:10.477" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21748" PostId="6698" Score="0" Text="@joe I was just waiting for people's upvotes on the answers. After it got closed, I just decided to get it re-opened first. A little stubbornness on my end. Lets see if that happens, otherwise I am going to accept the top answer. There's no reason to worry about that and thanks very much for voting to reopen" CreationDate="2020-04-15T15:28:20.373" UserId="95096" />
  <row Id="21749" PostId="6698" Score="1" Text="@VijendraParashar - I guess my point is that I don't see much need to reopen the question. You already got 10 opinions. How many more are needed?" CreationDate="2020-04-15T16:42:50.360" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21750" PostId="6698" Score="0" Text="Don't need more, but I felt it was unfair to close it, so I was maybe just idiotically fighting for it. Dont have time to continue with this struggle. Accepted the answer, moving on" CreationDate="2020-04-15T16:49:15.660" UserId="95096" />
  <row Id="21752" PostId="6698" Score="0" Text="@VijendraParashar If you want to start a dialog about the issues raised in your question reddit is probably a better outlet. People have very particular ideas about subject matter and format on stackexchange. But it sounds like got a draconian employer, who craves too much control. To be fair, however, you did get some thoughtful responses here and that's what's most important." CreationDate="2020-04-17T18:54:56.850" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21832" PostId="6700" Score="0" Text="I think this question is not &quot;(DONE)&quot; until the people that closed it give an answer on why it was closed? It was a pretty good and original question about something that does happen in many workplaces. So, why was it posted, closed and reopened all in 48 hours?" CreationDate="2020-07-08T22:42:33.930" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21833" PostId="6700" Score="0" Text="@teego1967 - people who voted to close already selected a reason for closing. &quot;Questions require a goal that we can address...&quot;. I wouldn't expect anything more than that." CreationDate="2020-07-09T10:25:58.293" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21834" PostId="6700" Score="0" Text="I think your initial impulse to question the closing still stands. Selecting an option from a radio-button doesn't constitute an explanation." CreationDate="2020-07-10T10:50:18.043" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21753" PostId="6701" Score="1" Text="&quot;I wish someone (OP?) would add a summary header,&quot; - done" CreationDate="2020-04-22T23:15:05.213" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21754" PostId="6702" Score="2" Text="it WAS x-rated, so it seems ok to me." CreationDate="2020-04-23T08:59:12.913" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21758" PostId="6702" Score="0" Text="-1 means no on Meta, right?" CreationDate="2020-04-26T19:59:52.880" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21759" PostId="6702" Score="2" Text="@guest It usually means that the voter disagrees with what stated or questioned in the post. Which is, in this case, arguing that removing x-rated content from a post was unprofessional or wrong (which it wasn't)." CreationDate="2020-04-30T21:43:57.377" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21755" PostId="6703" Score="6" Text="I could not have stated this better myself." CreationDate="2020-04-23T11:42:11.810" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21757" PostId="6703" Score="4" Text="Just noticed the revision history, not only was it X-rated, but there was lots of rolling around going on as well" CreationDate="2020-04-23T14:24:43.843" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21764" PostId="6706" Score="2" Text="I handled the flag, and declined it, as the question was answered.  Granted, its not the best answer in my opinion, but it is *an* answer." CreationDate="2020-05-01T11:53:04.970" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21760" PostId="6707" Score="2" Text="That sounds to me like you don't need to give an actual answer, you just must be thought provoking so that they can think an answer themselves. Unfortunately I think you're describing the mechanism of the flagging correctly, which results in bad answers staying at the top and more frustration for new users, who would have been down voted into oblivion for such an answer." CreationDate="2020-04-30T23:26:19.203" UserId="35882" />
  <row Id="21765" PostId="6707" Score="1" Text="@Chris if you check [question timeline](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/157401/timeline) you will see that it was in [meta-tag:hot-questions] for about two days. This means multiple upvotes on the answer you flagged most likely indicate not that it was good but that it entertained many passers-by from other sites in the wide SE network, mostly from Stack Overflow" CreationDate="2020-05-01T21:11:21.660" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21766" PostId="6710" Score="1" Text="Reviewers approved it but then the OP rejected it. The -2 is a removal of the +2 from the edit being approved. Only way to know why the OP put the grammar errors back in is to ask them." CreationDate="2020-05-03T07:12:47.317" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="21767" PostId="6710" Score="0" Text="In such situations is there anything else that could be done except for ignoring?" CreationDate="2020-05-03T07:14:29.290" UserId="107188" />
  <row Id="21768" PostId="6710" Score="2" Text="Like what? I think if OP wants their question their wqy, we should grant them this right. What exactly is the problem?" CreationDate="2020-05-03T13:02:39.713" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21769" PostId="6710" Score="5" Text="A moderator could explain to the OP that they should be allowing edits that improve their posts. You could also leave a comment with a link to this meta discussion so they can respond here. If a post is unclear in its unedited form, down voting is valid. I think it’s likely they just don’t get the editing system here; they only have 2 posts." CreationDate="2020-05-03T15:32:53.060" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="21770" PostId="6710" Score="3" Text="Some people get defensive about their posts and don't understand that edits are intended to be helpful. It generally isn't worth the hassle of getting into an edit war, especially if your edits have to go through review. I would suggest just letting this one go." CreationDate="2020-05-04T04:09:18.077" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="21771" PostId="6710" Score="7" Text="@BSMP Any member of the community can explain that, and usually should. The time to flag it for attention is when edit wars start or anyone involved is acting belligerent. I've rolled this back and left a comment now." CreationDate="2020-05-04T07:41:56.580" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21772" PostId="6710" Score="3" Text="OP might not have rolled it back for this reason, but there were some issues with your edit. &quot;How to&quot; is not a question, the correct grammar here is &quot;agreed to&quot;, it's &quot;relieve&quot; and making parts of the post bold is fairly subjective." CreationDate="2020-05-05T07:56:47.280" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="21782" PostId="6710" Score="2" Text="If you would make whole sentences of my question bold I would also roll it back. It is not my style to shout at people. Don't make formatting changes if the question is perfectly readable without them." CreationDate="2020-05-06T02:28:08.423" UserId="112171" />
  <row Id="21784" PostId="6710" Score="0" Text="@BrtH Apart, from formatting, there were spelling and grammatical errors too. SERVER and SERVE arent the same. Plus bold doesnt signify shouting its just a way of highlighting the crucial part of the paragraph." CreationDate="2020-05-06T04:06:08.390" UserId="107188" />
  <row Id="21786" PostId="6710" Score="5" Text="@Swarley &quot;bold doesn't signify shouting&quot; - some people would say the same about UPPERCASE. The interpretation of bold, uppercase, underline, italics, etc. is heavily affected by personal opinion, so it's probably best left up to the author. I'm personally quite a big fan of conservative use of bold, but I feel the question in a post should be emphasised through structure (e.g. put it close to the end of the post) rather than formatting, and even slight overuse or misuse of bold draws too much focus, making the non-bold parts harder to focus on and posts much, much harder to read for me." CreationDate="2020-05-06T07:56:14.450" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="21787" PostId="6710" Score="0" Text="hahahah with all due respect @Dukeling to increase the focus on errors I used the uppercase :)  anyway I get the formatting part but spelling and grammatical errors are not done." CreationDate="2020-05-06T08:01:26.223" UserId="107188" />
  <row Id="21788" PostId="6710" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal would you mind posting your comment as an answer?" CreationDate="2020-05-06T08:02:41.090" UserId="107188" />
  <row Id="21791" PostId="6710" Score="2" Text="In addition to the points about subjective styling, it was an objectively bad edit. Some improvements were made, but many more were needed, and it introduced new errors." CreationDate="2020-05-07T21:44:24.433" UserId="98938" />
  <row Id="21795" PostId="6710" Score="1" Text="I'm not sure if the title was meant to be ambiguous but **incorrect edits** should *not* be approved of (i.e. disapproved) in the first place. Perhaps you would like to clarify?" CreationDate="2020-05-14T09:04:28.737" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="21800" PostId="6713" Score="0" Text="It's worth noting that this site is the sole main Q&amp;A site to require registration to both ask *and answer* questions." CreationDate="2020-05-17T18:33:56.247" UserId="82289" />
  <row Id="21773" PostId="6714" Score="2" Text="Thats really unfortunate, i rather not create a delicate question on my main account." CreationDate="2020-05-05T09:25:17.067" UserId="71147" />
  <row Id="21774" PostId="6714" Score="4" Text="I understand, but then it's fine to use another email address (even a throwaway one which can't be traced back to you) to register an account just for this purpose. Just be sure not to interact with it on your main account (that includes voting)." CreationDate="2020-05-05T09:26:45.823" UserId="33983" />
  <row Id="21785" PostId="6715" Score="2" Text="please consider tagging this [meta-tag:status-bydesign] to help readers see that this became an official site feature. Also I wonder if registration is required to answer questions or only for asking (you probably better [edit] this answer to clarify this)" CreationDate="2020-05-06T07:45:01.703" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21798" PostId="6717" Score="1" Text="I wonder who the 2 downvotes came from" CreationDate="2020-05-16T23:53:57.400" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21799" PostId="6717" Score="8" Text="@Kilisi - not everyone is a fan I guess! ;-)" CreationDate="2020-05-17T01:35:51.570" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21796" PostId="6719" Score="0" Text="There are many things that are on-topic, but I doubt all of them can/should be mentioned explicitly (I doubt there is enough space). Besides (1) on the second link you included, second header, is specified the things that are off-topic, and volunteering doesn't seem to fall into any of those and (2) the first link you shared already provides a consensus on how to handle a question like that, for when the situation arises." CreationDate="2020-05-16T16:04:14.357" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21797" PostId="6719" Score="0" Text="I know. But making it officially is also good. Plus I don't see why there isn't enough space. Just adding a sentence is enough" CreationDate="2020-05-16T16:15:09.930" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="21801" PostId="6719" Score="1" Text="I think volunteering is a very special form of work(place) , som imo it should be mentioned if those questions are allowed. So why does this question has so many downvotes?" CreationDate="2020-05-20T12:20:11.757" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21816" PostId="6719" Score="1" Text="The name of the site itself is &quot;Workplace&quot;, not &quot;Paid Workplace&quot;. I support the idea that volunteering should be acceptable. Discrimination based on financial reasons is bad discrimination, IMO." CreationDate="2020-06-09T13:34:05.387" UserId="98881" />
  <row Id="21817" PostId="6719" Score="0" Text="@virolino it's already allowed. It's just not explicitly allowed. For a newcomer, the help page is unclear" CreationDate="2020-06-09T15:40:06.903" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="21818" PostId="6719" Score="0" Text="@Ooker: you are right, I actually meant &quot;make it explicit&quot;." CreationDate="2020-06-10T08:16:13.870" UserId="98881" />
  <row Id="21861" PostId="6719" Score="0" Text="Unpaid internships are regularly discussed here. Is volunteering so different?" CreationDate="2020-07-22T14:17:45.157" UserId="26622" />
  <row Id="21933" PostId="6719" Score="0" Text="Volunteering should 100% be considered a workplace topic since these people are active in, participate in, and affect workplace culture. In many organizations, they are an important part of the workforce. I think it would be remiss for us to ignore smaller, charity and non-profit based, organizations because they aren't a &quot;standard&quot; corporate body." CreationDate="2020-08-25T01:50:06.110" UserId="90785" />
  <row Id="21803" PostId="6721" Score="0" Text="&quot;It's just... good business.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-05-20T22:49:21.677" UserId="17356" />
  <row Id="21804" PostId="6722" Score="0" Text="Could you link to the actual review event please? It should be visible in your review history." CreationDate="2020-05-25T09:07:45.523" UserId="44674" />
  <row Id="21805" PostId="6722" Score="0" Text="@tripleee I tried and edited the question, not sure if I did it right though." CreationDate="2020-05-25T09:25:58.253" UserId="78026" />
  <row Id="21807" PostId="6722" Score="0" Text="Maybe the word &quot;dark&quot; is bad?" CreationDate="2020-05-28T06:51:47.623" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21806" PostId="6723" Score="3" Text="Authorative answer is on main meta: [The review system suggested something was probably spam, what should I do when I see this?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/216399)" CreationDate="2020-05-25T18:14:01.817" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21810" PostId="6724" Score="0" Text="In this specific instance I applied the notice along with a comment since on first reading it sounded like the answer disagreed with the others. A few comments and flags also read it the same way. The answer actually *is* in line with the others, it just has a different take on &quot;force&quot;. But since the answer is still incredibly bare-bones and lacking meaningful detail I have kept the notice in place." CreationDate="2020-05-31T19:21:20.227" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21809" PostId="6726" Score="0" Text="Basically, you are trying to prove a negative: &quot;This behavior is not illegal&quot;. I wouldn't bother trying here. If this were instead a legal forum, I'd ask &quot;Please provide the law that makes this behavior illegal&quot;." CreationDate="2020-05-31T14:46:29.037" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21811" PostId="6727" Score="0" Text="Why do you think there is a difference between &quot;it's legal&quot; and &quot;it's not illegal&quot;? Law tends to be boolean. There is no gray zone in a court. They do not decide something to be &quot;mostly legal, to about 65% give or take&quot;. It either is or it's not, which means &quot;it's legal&quot; is exactly the same as &quot;it's not illegal&quot;." CreationDate="2020-05-31T19:48:53.643" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="21812" PostId="6727" Score="0" Text="So I have removed the part where I don't know *exactly* whether someone should pay for their own PPE in the UK, apparently that makes my claim that something unrelated is legal somehow... wrong? I don't know. I have a hard time following how something trivially obvious like &quot;your employer can require you to wear specific clothing&quot; needs sourcing. I mean we all have been at McD or rode a subway train, it's not like I'm unearthing arcane mysteries with this." CreationDate="2020-05-31T19:55:34.053" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="21813" PostId="6727" Score="0" Text="And why am I not using the link: because the link is health specific. My answer says that even without COVID the employer could require this. It would be pretty pointless to cite a document saying they can do it for health reasons when the whole point of my answer is that it's legal *even without the health/virus aspect of it*." CreationDate="2020-05-31T19:57:38.897" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="21814" PostId="6727" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt &quot;*Why do you think there is a difference...*&quot; There isn't. All I'm saying is that to &quot;prove&quot; a claim you can provide either evidence in favour of the claim or disprove the opposite claim. This is about the general question, not your specific answer. The reason for all this nitpicking is that legal claims carry weight. We can indeed say &quot;it's trivially obvious that employers can enforce a dress code&quot;. But the law being the law, there are a lot of rules around that topic which include aspects of personal and religious liberty, discrimination protection, etc." CreationDate="2020-06-02T11:58:22.383" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21815" PostId="6727" Score="1" Text="A simple &quot;this is normal&quot; and &quot;doing X is the standard approach&quot; when speaking from experience are fine.A claim &quot;X is legal in your specific scenario&quot; requires a higher burden of proof. Your answer was clearly of the first variety, the issue I saw in it was that there were hints of the latter which *might* be problematic." CreationDate="2020-06-02T11:59:39.273" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21915" PostId="6727" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt, law is not &quot;boolean&quot; nor are courts devoid of &quot;gray zones&quot;. People who end up in a legal dispute find that they're in a field of gray as soon as they contact a lawyer. Nothing is a given, everything is negotiable, and more so if one is shelling out big money for pay-for or defend-against aggressive lawyers." CreationDate="2020-08-15T19:27:35.500" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21819" PostId="6729" Score="1" Text="Hmm. Did this not used to be there or is this a slimmer version of the normal page which includes avatars and rep+badges? I haven't used the home page in years so I have no idea... :) Appears to be the same on main meta though." CreationDate="2020-06-19T21:02:26.233" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21820" PostId="6729" Score="0" Text="Looking at [this question](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/343856/are-users-reputation-scores-on-the-home-page-supposed-to-stand-out-that-much-no) that talked about a slight change to the way reputation is drawn, the fact that reputation is shown would have to be over a year old. Unless we were rocking an old CSS of course." CreationDate="2020-06-19T21:06:13.820" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21821" PostId="6729" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal i might have been just blinded to the right side of the screen for years." CreationDate="2020-06-19T21:31:49.277" UserId="45298" />
  <row Id="21835" PostId="6730" Score="0" Text="Yes, a question with a LOT of views (so it was probably posted long ago) freshly answered by a 1-rep user is almost always spam or question-disguised-as-answer. The pattern is easy to spot." CreationDate="2020-07-11T19:01:19.610" UserId="102" />
  <row Id="21823" PostId="6731" Score="7" Text="Stop voting to close just because a question has a tag and vtc the question based on it's own merits" CreationDate="2020-07-06T15:25:36.520" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21824" PostId="6731" Score="5" Text="I am, it just makes it easy to find the bad ones." CreationDate="2020-07-06T15:27:14.323" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21826" PostId="6731" Score="4" Text="Seems that the consensus is to remove this tag. I went ahead and did so, as I also strongly thing that way as well." CreationDate="2020-07-07T22:27:12.497" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21828" PostId="6731" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi apparently you aren't familiar with how [meta-tags](https://meta.stackexchange.com/tags/meta-tags/info) work. These describe tangential question properties instead of content, could also happen to indicate if it's close-worthy. That's why vast majority SE sites try to avoid such tags" CreationDate="2020-07-08T04:59:09.497" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21829" PostId="6731" Score="2" Text="@gnat correct, I have no idea" CreationDate="2020-07-08T05:28:12.160" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21825" PostId="6732" Score="3" Text="Seems that the consensus is to remove the tag. I am of that same opinion. I proceeded and removed the tags from the only 3 posts that had it." CreationDate="2020-07-07T22:26:20.040" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21830" PostId="6732" Score="2" Text="For the record: I added it to a handful of questions after it was created for a popular question and wasn't planning to add it to others. Re point 2 I think the main use of the tag would be for question where the actual question is &quot;Should I consider this a red flag?&quot; meaning there's no need for a fixed definition on the tag itself. I personally don't consider to be any more of a meta tag than [tag:professionalism] and arguably more useful. But it seems there's clear consensus against using it so that's fine with me. We probably overtag as it is. :)" CreationDate="2020-07-08T07:18:16.833" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21840" PostId="6737" Score="14" Text="Overediting of might-be-offensive words is an increasing problem SE-wide lately, so you're not the only one running into this. See also [&quot;What is Stack Exchanges official stance on words such as “black list”, “white list”, “master”, “slave”, and so on?&quot;](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/350880/269301)" CreationDate="2020-07-16T09:17:50.407" UserId="26901" />
  <row Id="21846" PostId="6737" Score="13" Text="so far, general consensus over here seems to be that such edits feel frivolous and niggling" CreationDate="2020-07-16T16:17:03.760" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21850" PostId="6737" Score="5" Text="Frivolous should be banned as it starts with an 'F' which may horrify some speed readers skimming a post." CreationDate="2020-07-19T19:08:03.017" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21932" PostId="6737" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi Totally agree! We should even stop using this letter and use &quot;ph&quot; instead just in case. I hope readers will be less horriphied this way." CreationDate="2020-08-24T12:29:28.080" UserId="80851" />
  <row Id="21839" PostId="6738" Score="9" Text="It's not an offensive word. I suspect the perception that it's a problematic word is from someone using Urban Dictionary as if it was a real dictionary. UD is full of entries people put in as jokes. Unfortunately, some people don't seem to realize it's a humor site, not an information resource." CreationDate="2020-07-16T08:30:54.607" UserId="46140" />
  <row Id="21855" PostId="6738" Score="0" Text="No, it is not now, nor has it ever been." CreationDate="2020-07-20T20:39:02.897" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21838" PostId="6739" Score="0" Text="Hold on, I *did* spend attention and looked up the words in several dictionaries (I'm not a native speaker). Niggling was used more often in a negative context, so I thought if somebody claims to be offended by it and it doesn't change the meaning of the post, why not approve it? It most certainly does not mean I assumed the OP had bad intentions with it, just like many of my old posts across the network use 'he/she' instead of the new default singular they." CreationDate="2020-07-16T04:41:03.500" UserId="33983" />
  <row Id="21841" PostId="6739" Score="1" Text="@Glorfindel Where 'new' is arguable (see Shakespeare), hence a lot of people defaulting to &quot;leave it be&quot;." CreationDate="2020-07-16T09:19:18.163" UserId="26901" />
  <row Id="21842" PostId="6739" Score="8" Text="@Glorfindel.  Imagine 'frivolous' was a paint color.  'Niggling' is basically that shade with a heavy undertone of 'irritation/annoyance'.  In the context of my answer, I was basically saying to the OP, &quot;You enforcing the standards won't be seen as a pointless irritation.&quot;  You're right - the word itself *does* have a negative context due to that undertone... but I don't think that means it's automatically offensive.  Don't get me wrong: Frivolous works relatively well in its place - it's not like missing the additional 'irritation' subtone makes the meaning unclear." CreationDate="2020-07-16T13:14:23.413" UserId="83339" />
  <row Id="21844" PostId="6739" Score="4" Text="@Glorfindel neither am I a native speaker, and the results I found googling didn't sound negative; it's just a word that denotes annoyance or discomfort, it's *very* likely it won't be used in a happy and merry sentence or context. As OP mentioned, it seems to convey a slightly different, but nonetheless distinctive and relevant, meaning... Anyways, it's not a life or death situation, I just find the edit a bit of a stretch. Sorry if I implied you didn't take the time. I am sure you did, as you frequently contribute very helpful content throughout the SE network :) cheers" CreationDate="2020-07-16T15:16:34.597" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21845" PostId="6739" Score="5" Text="Agreed, the edit is not necessary.  Perhaps not the best word, but we are dangerously close to a slippery slope." CreationDate="2020-07-16T15:16:34.823" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21854" PostId="6739" Score="5" Text="English is a very precise and subtle language.  I usually have to tone down my vocabulary for this site.  I think enderland once had to put a link to a definition of a word I used because it's not to common in usage.  The use of the word niggling is usually to say that something is petty, frivolous and annoying.  English is also rife with homophones, and homonyms, just to make things more confusing.  Such as &quot;bass&quot; the fish, and &quot;bass&quot; as in  &quot;bass guitar&quot;.  I've always said that English is a cruel joke played upon non native speakers." CreationDate="2020-07-20T20:38:24.650" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21870" PostId="6739" Score="5" Text="@Glorfindel &quot;if somebody claims to be offended by it and it doesn't change the meaning of the post, why not approve it&quot; Because we shouldn't change our language just because one person claims to be offended by it. That's called a slippery slope. No other reason is necessary. I'm honestly shocked you're framing it this way. It's OK for a person to be offended. Really, it is. Life will go on. Being offended is their prerogative. Changing words others use is not." CreationDate="2020-07-29T14:19:20.127" UserId="91988" />
  <row Id="21934" PostId="6739" Score="0" Text="The one danger you get in to with similar sounding words is that they can easily become code for derogatory statements towards people. This is especially true when you put the wrong emPHAsis on a certain SYLlaBLE. I think we all consider ourselves to be reasonable mature people, but let's be honest, we're unlikely to be the median. So, I wouldn't change it, and I wouldn't apologize for it, but I would be more careful moving forward. Social conditions change the words we should use, and right now those conditions aren't friendly to similar sounding words." CreationDate="2020-08-25T01:53:54.127" UserId="90785" />
  <row Id="21859" PostId="6740" Score="8" Text="Some people enjoy being offended to the point that they wake up and are offended nobody offended them." CreationDate="2020-07-22T14:10:14.647" UserId="26622" />
  <row Id="21862" PostId="6740" Score="1" Text="@You'rebadandshouldfeelbad I grew up in a time where the rule was still &quot;sticks and stones&quot;, and I grew up with multiple disabilities and other problems that made me a target for all sorts of insults.  These &quot;first world problems&quot; are so far beneath my radar, they don't even register." CreationDate="2020-07-22T15:09:30.217" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21866" PostId="6740" Score="1" Text="&quot;The word niggardly means miserly.&quot;  Do you remember the incident in the late 90s that added that word to everyone's vocabulary?" CreationDate="2020-07-24T19:51:24.553" UserId="731" />
  <row Id="21867" PostId="6740" Score="1" Text="@MasonWheeler that's what made me think of that word, yes I remember that vividly. .  It's also an old saying &quot;The devil is a niggard&quot;, which in turn is the inspiration for the phrase, &quot;when you shake hand with the devil, count your fingers&quot;" CreationDate="2020-07-24T20:25:25.980" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21871" PostId="6740" Score="0" Text="@MasonWheeler I don't, I've just read it in books. Not all of us are so reactive to pop culture." CreationDate="2020-07-29T14:26:29.933" UserId="91988" />
  <row Id="21872" PostId="6740" Score="1" Text="@user91988 a councelman was fired for saying &quot;we must be niggardly with the public funds&quot;.  It was back in the 1990s." CreationDate="2020-07-29T14:29:27.040" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21873" PostId="6740" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter Ah, I'm not familiar with the incident, but that one I can at least understand. Politicians should know better—the general public doesn't know that word and (obviously) heard it as the n-word. He shouldn't have been fired, but that's the world we live in unfortunately." CreationDate="2020-07-29T14:32:11.967" UserId="91988" />
  <row Id="21874" PostId="6740" Score="1" Text="@user91988 that was over 20 years ago, and it was his fellow council members who did it.  We weren't nearly as hypersensitive back then.  I still refuse to be." CreationDate="2020-07-29T15:54:04.613" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21847" PostId="6741" Score="3" Text="Wow, this is a bit harsh!  But.... 'niggling' *isn't* an arcane word to me.  I don't know if it's because I'm in the midwest or because a lot of my family tree is scandanavian, but it's not an obscure/arcane word.  Pretty much everyone in my extended family would know what that word means and wouldn't bat an eye at it." CreationDate="2020-07-18T16:31:27.483" UserId="83339" />
  <row Id="21848" PostId="6741" Score="4" Text="Yeah, rereading this, it's less than productive and more of just a flat-out rant.  Not sure how someone reading this (https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/160542/how-can-i-get-a-new-developer-to-significantly-improve-their-code/160546#160546) comes out with &quot;Gee, that writer is a pretentious, awkward, uninteresting, uncool-but-trying-to-be-cool idiot that can't understand the concept of communicating clearly.&quot;" CreationDate="2020-07-18T16:54:14.373" UserId="83339" />
  <row Id="21849" PostId="6741" Score="1" Text="I didn't know what &quot;niggling&quot; means. I had to look it up. And to be fair it looks like the editor didn't bother to look it up because he replaced it with the wrong word, &quot;frivolous&quot;. Given that we're not all holding degrees in English Literature and many even have English as a second language, I think its best to err on the side of simpler vocabulary." CreationDate="2020-07-19T17:19:26.290" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21851" PostId="6741" Score="4" Text="English is my second language and &quot;to niggle&quot; is in my vocabulary, while &quot;frivolous&quot; is something I can piece the meaning together from other languages that use very similar words, but I have never used in English. It's also not the same." CreationDate="2020-07-20T10:31:35.580" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="21852" PostId="6741" Score="2" Text="this answer would make a solid sense if it was about revision intended to simplify wording and attempted to preserve original meaning. What we discuss here looks different though. It is more of a [clbuttic](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/clbuttic) kind, with editor openly stating (misguided) purpose to remove offensive language and proceeding without even attempt to look up the dictionary and try to figure more accurate rewording" CreationDate="2020-07-20T15:02:51.633" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21853" PostId="6741" Score="9" Text="What you're advocating is the further numbing down of the lexicon.   It is not archaic to engage in erudite language, pedantic, perhaps, but not archaic.  These are but pernicious attempts to influence language by the bellicose for purely malevolent motives." CreationDate="2020-07-20T15:53:28.533" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21856" PostId="6741" Score="0" Text="I'm not directly defending the editor, he was wrong to replace &quot;niggling&quot; with an incorrect word. @Old_Lamplighter, if you're going for irony at least put more effort into it. &quot;numbing down&quot;--- really?" CreationDate="2020-07-21T02:33:07.680" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21857" PostId="6741" Score="0" Text="@gnat, &quot;clbuttic&quot; is a fine used in, for example,  a title to generate interest because virtually no one will know what it means. It's such an astonishingly ugly word, it's like an accident and it attracts rubberneckers." CreationDate="2020-07-21T02:36:52.027" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21858" PostId="6741" Score="5" Text="@teego1967 Yes, numbing down, as in eliminating all connotation in the language until we are fully in Orwellian newspeak where the language is so sanitized and purged of anything that might convey an original thought or emotion.  Eliminating all feeling entirely, with nothing left but a soulless, emotionless, numbness." CreationDate="2020-07-21T12:29:12.100" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21860" PostId="6741" Score="2" Text="&quot;Some people use big words. They think it's good but I don't like it. People might not know what they mean. I read that this is bad. It's very bad if you do it too often.&quot; Would you mind if I replaced your post with this? If not, you're doing the very thing you're condemning others for." CreationDate="2020-07-22T14:14:31.050" UserId="26622" />
  <row Id="21863" PostId="6741" Score="0" Text="@You'rebadandshouldfeelbad, Word choice is very much a matter of taste. There's a lot space between overusing arcane 2-dollar words and dumbed-down newspeak. Good taste lies somewhere in between those extremes. It's not one or the other and I wanted to bring that up, admittedly this particular incident isn't the best choice for that battle." CreationDate="2020-07-22T16:13:56.537" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21868" PostId="6741" Score="3" Text="the traits of precise and subtle language (which does **not** mean *too subtle to be understood full well*) that you're mentioning (but negating) in your post, refute your very point. Entirely. This question is obviously *not* dealing with any of the truly bad examples or exaggerations that you're mistaking as being the same. And yes, word choice *is* also a matter of taste. So it would be better to stop advocating censoring other people's taste, even more so where it *clearly* is neither out of bounds nor over the top." CreationDate="2020-07-25T16:33:59.090" UserId="118884" />
  <row Id="21924" PostId="6741" Score="4" Text="@teego1967 If words are too complicated for you  buy a dictionary or thesaurus.   Personally, I'm not going to limit my vocabulary to appease the pusillanimous, obstreperous, obsequious little toadies out there and their crybullying ways.  Words are there for a reason, and there to express nuance and concepts, which is why we borrow words from other languages to become MORE expressive (schadenfreude and gestalt, for example), not less expressive." CreationDate="2020-08-18T13:14:45.803" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21926" PostId="6741" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter, it's a matter of taste whether using a word like &quot;pusillanimous&quot; and &quot;obstreperous&quot; IN THE SAME SENTENCE is of any value whatsoever other than trying to brow-beat the person you're talking to. I have a pretty decent vocabulary and I look up words all the time. I had to look up those. I don't think your comment was particularly nuanced either. I am not impressed. One is not &quot;more expressive&quot; simply because they use two-dollar words, in fact the opposite is more often true." CreationDate="2020-08-18T20:51:36.057" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21927" PostId="6741" Score="0" Text="@teego1967 I use those two words frequently, and often in the same sentence when I berate someone who is beyond timorous and not quite entirely cowardly.   And yes, there is subtlety in those words, and you are mistaking being erudite for being pedantic." CreationDate="2020-08-18T20:59:41.243" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21929" PostId="6741" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter, someone who is truly erudite uses language skillfully and that means taking it easy with the thesaurus and focusing more on communicating with clarity. It seems like you've collected quite a few vocabulary word zingers to sling around, and while you may enjoy saying them, I suspect that you aren't aware they're backfiring on you." CreationDate="2020-08-19T14:33:04.170" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="21930" PostId="6741" Score="4" Text="@teego1967 Now you are mistaking erudite for adroit.  Instead of being so concerned with two dollar words, you should focus instead on the high price of ignorance." CreationDate="2020-08-19T15:04:37.527" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21864" PostId="6743" Score="0" Text="I tried toning it down a bit, because it did sound like it needed some fine tuning." CreationDate="2020-07-23T16:57:02.817" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21865" PostId="6743" Score="1" Text="I'm dubious as well honestly but @Old_Lamplighter's edit was good and it's an answerable and realistic question. As it was on 3 reopen votes I cast a final binding one." CreationDate="2020-07-24T09:05:20.777" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23661" PostId="6743" Score="0" Text="So very interesting.  I never knew there was discussion about my discussion.&#xA;&#xA;To settle the matter, yes, this really happened.  The aftermath is that I got laid off about a month later.  The given reason was &quot;COVID cutbacks&quot; but we all knew the real reason.&#xA;&#xA;Since the incident, I've been struggling in a dead-end job and kind of given up on my career.  I think about this incident a lot and always wonder if I could have done things differently." CreationDate="2023-06-23T14:43:13.617" UserId="120017" />
  <row Id="21869" PostId="6747" Score="6" Text="I second this answer!" CreationDate="2020-07-29T11:44:49.047" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21898" PostId="6747" Score="0" Text="We also get a fair number of questions about handling client relations and related issues from the perspective of independent contractors and what format that work takes (i.e. in-person or remote) has had nothing to do with the topicality of such questions so far. Ask away!" CreationDate="2020-08-05T05:04:04.700" UserId="43382" />
  <row Id="21901" PostId="6751" Score="1" Text="Feel free to come over to [Parenting.se] for those :)" CreationDate="2020-08-07T20:41:49.100" UserId="3227" />
  <row Id="21902" PostId="6751" Score="0" Text="@Joe they're not a problem, just full of energy. Self employed working on my own timeframes so I often just drop work for a while and join them." CreationDate="2020-08-07T23:22:11.277" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21875" PostId="6752" Score="2" Text="In the US, in cases I have experienced, the term &quot;Redundant&quot; has not been used. &quot;Laid off&quot; was used whenever groups of people were &quot;let go&quot; without regard to the underlying reason. I'm not sure I see the point of trying to list a generalized distinction between these three terms anyway. Without knowing the specifics of the situation, why would it matter?" CreationDate="2020-08-02T10:46:29.370" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21876" PostId="6752" Score="0" Text="Mostly I just wanted clarification on the meaning of redundant since I’ve never heard it used outside of here either. To me it sounds like “we’ve found a more efficient way to do the work that you did,” rather than “we’re going to make your coworker do your job in addition to his own so we don’t have to pay both of you.”" CreationDate="2020-08-02T17:23:15.547" UserId="73580" />
  <row Id="21881" PostId="6752" Score="2" Text="I see we've talked about this before, we even rearranged the tags for that purpose: [Tag Merge - redundancy to layoff or both to termination](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6261/73791)" CreationDate="2020-08-03T04:19:05.770" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21895" PostId="6752" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus Yeah, main conclusion was to have the two main concepts: fired (termination tag) and layoff. Anything else is typically just a different way to say one of those two. @ OP: the difference between those two is also covered by [this main site question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/93905/)" CreationDate="2020-08-03T22:27:09.667" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21899" PostId="6752" Score="1" Text="Redundant is British English for laid off." CreationDate="2020-08-05T13:08:29.877" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="21952" PostId="6752" Score="0" Text="[Types of Separation from Employment](https://www.thebalancecareers.com/types-of-separation-from-employment-2061665)  - This might be helpful. I've also noticed a lot of the tags for these have no usage guidance or wiki info. It might help for those to get filled in." CreationDate="2020-09-23T00:09:06.327" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="21877" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="&quot;The performance of the worker wasn't used to terminate the relationship.&quot; - even in layoffs, the performance of the worker is used as at least part of the criteria. It might be better stated that the performance of the worker wasn't *solely* used..." CreationDate="2020-08-02T18:37:30.530" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21878" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere everywhere I have seen it used it's not legally allowed to be about the individuals performance, it's specific to the position/role no longer being required." CreationDate="2020-08-02T23:19:11.710" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21879" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi - having been on both sides of the layoff equation, I can say with certainty that in the US, in companies where I worked, individual performance was *always* considered when the cut list was created." CreationDate="2020-08-02T23:38:19.123" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21880" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I've never seen it, when they got computers and printers typing pools were made redundant, individual performance made no difference.... there was no longer a need for typists. The role was a consideration, not the person. But like anything in life it's individuals deciding which roles are redundant and which aren't. Illegal though." CreationDate="2020-08-03T02:19:52.297" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21882" PostId="6753" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi - in my personal experience, companies decided that x% of the workforce must be cut, not specific roles. So if 20% of R&amp;D is trimmed, 80% remains. And management gets together and decide who goes and who remains. I've personally been part of the decision-making team - not a fun task." CreationDate="2020-08-03T10:35:02.107" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21883" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere if you're in a union shop, employee performance is irrelevant, they go by seniority.  -Former union thug\" CreationDate="2020-08-03T11:29:29.213" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21884" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter yes, the company would be eaten alive. For a 20% reduction, they might go as far as asking people to volunteer for redundancy and paying them a big incentive to do so. But any indication that it's over performance or anything to do with the individual is a clear breach of the regulations." CreationDate="2020-08-03T11:48:35.830" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21885" PostId="6753" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi This is why I will never work for a union shop again if I can help it.  Unions, at least in the USA, do more harm than good" CreationDate="2020-08-03T11:56:38.257" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21886" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter it's all in the perception. If you're on the employers side then they suck. If you're on the workers side, they can be helpful when the chips are down. If you're on the unions side then they're great. I've mostly been on my own side doing my own thuggery :)" CreationDate="2020-08-03T12:02:18.983" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21887" PostId="6753" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi I got screwed hard by my own union TWICE, first, let go because of seniority, then blocked from returning as a consultant, because they had that damn clause too.  I hate them." CreationDate="2020-08-03T12:07:19.853" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21888" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="If you think that the definitions given don't work for unions then make your own answer." CreationDate="2020-08-03T12:16:59.197" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="21889" PostId="6753" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter - if you are in a union shop, everything but the union contract is irrelevant. It may or may not be by seniority (but usually is). I never was in a union." CreationDate="2020-08-03T14:34:02.130" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21890" PostId="6753" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Yep,I was under the CWA, or as we called them, the Criminals With Authority, under  The Independent Association of Publishers' Employees (IAPE)  worst union ever" CreationDate="2020-08-03T14:55:56.460" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21893" PostId="6755" Score="4" Text="The answer is no longer present." CreationDate="2020-08-03T19:49:03.433" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21894" PostId="6755" Score="4" Text="@Neo thanks.  If anyone had followed that, they could have ruined themselves." CreationDate="2020-08-03T20:13:58.147" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21892" PostId="6756" Score="3" Text="There's wrong, and then there's &quot;not even wrong&quot;.    Do you think advice on an electronics forum that would get someone to electricute themselves would be allowed to stand, or on a law forum, telling someone that you can kill someone and get away with it if you do it on a Tuesday?" CreationDate="2020-08-03T19:36:46.250" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21897" PostId="6756" Score="4" Text="I must say that I don't like this explanation. The voting is often relatively random - when googeling I often found LaTex question on SE where the least voted answers were the most helpful (because the other were too abstract or too &quot;you are so stupid for asking the question&quot;). A score of -3 is also not really helpful -- it's not really much. Also, there is a strong US and IT bias on the site - answers from other perspectives get often downvoted by the US/IT majority." CreationDate="2020-08-04T19:50:33.190" UserId="38001" />
  <row Id="21896" PostId="6757" Score="6" Text="Yup. I second this. Full disclosure: I was the one that reviewed your flag, Richard. The answer could be wrong, but raising a Mod flat for that is not the way to handle the situation. Writing a comment, editing, voting to close, downvoting, etc. are better ways to handle answers like that (specially for Power Users like you who have all the 20K+ rep privileges)... if it's really bad or low quality it will eventually (sooner than later) be deleted or closed, or better yet, improved and edited into shape." CreationDate="2020-08-03T23:39:42.550" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21903" PostId="6759" Score="0" Text="So, if someone on Pets, say, instructs people to feed chocolate to dogs?" CreationDate="2020-08-10T12:06:37.177" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21904" PostId="6759" Score="3" Text="@Old_Lamplighter Downvote it and comment saying that it's a dangerous suggestion. Maybe it would serve as a warning to others about why not to do that. If the answerer is confused about that point, there's a good chance that other people are confused about it, too." CreationDate="2020-08-10T12:32:16.847" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="21905" PostId="6759" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I've seen people delete critical windows files based on a chain email, and people putting their iPhone's in the microwave because a site trolled it.  Just to be clear, you do not think that posts that could cause actual harm, such as causing destruction, getting someone arrested, fired, or killed should be deleted?" CreationDate="2020-08-10T12:41:45.593" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21906" PostId="6759" Score="2" Text="@Old_Lamplighter If they're downvoted and people comment explaining why they're dangerous, it could actually do people a favor because when they see the comments and post score they'll realize that it's a bad idea to do that. Think about how much better it would've been if the chain email had come with downvotes and comments explaining why you shouldn't do that - they might have realized that it was dangerous." CreationDate="2020-08-10T12:45:16.653" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="21907" PostId="6759" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter Based on the fact that a lot of people blindly followed the advice in the trolling and the chain emails, the recommendations are apparently things that people are already inclined to believe, so seeing downvotes on a suggestion to that effect and comments explaining why not to do that could do them some good." CreationDate="2020-08-10T12:47:14.507" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="21908" PostId="6759" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter In my example, the dangerous practice was a really easy mistake to make because it was a &quot;gotcha&quot; in the framework, so a lot of people would've made that mistake anyway. Now, hopefully *some*one will see the comments/downvotes/new answer and be prevented from making a mistake that they otherwise would have made." CreationDate="2020-08-10T12:53:14.697" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="21909" PostId="6759" Score="0" Text="I see your point, not down-voting.  That said, I'm apprehensive of the practice." CreationDate="2020-08-10T13:00:38.440" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21913" PostId="6759" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I actually think this approach is great. When the &quot;No tennis shoes&quot; question was asked, there was a ridiculous answer suggesting &quot;hoof shoes&quot; instead. Downvoting and commenting sends a message to future visitors that this is bad advice _and also_ to would-be trolls that we don't approve of trolling. The answer has been deleted, which I think is a shame. There is no longer a downvoted answer demonstrating caution against a literal reading of the dress code." CreationDate="2020-08-13T16:22:20.767" UserId="105525" />
  <row Id="21919" PostId="6759" Score="0" Text="@Michael those shoes were borderline NSFW." CreationDate="2020-08-17T16:39:10.500" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21910" PostId="6760" Score="4" Text="Agree, voted to reopen" CreationDate="2020-08-11T18:03:14.827" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21914" PostId="6761" Score="0" Text="Aaand I just saw the question again in the close queue. I voted leave open but I think too many people are a bit VTC-trigger happy..." CreationDate="2020-08-14T08:23:35.330" UserId="80851" />
  <row Id="21925" PostId="6761" Score="0" Text="@LP154 post is still open and without VTCs... guess the one you saw expired... but yeah I sensed that some were a bit jumpy to VTC" CreationDate="2020-08-18T17:58:40.860" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21928" PostId="6761" Score="0" Text="yeah there was 2 votes 5 days ago as it's still open I guess they expired but IMO we should do something about this, lots of questions are VTCed and then closed even when they should not be closed. But I don't know what we can do..." CreationDate="2020-08-19T07:23:47.037" UserId="80851" />
  <row Id="21916" PostId="6762" Score="0" Text="vtro.... need a couple more" CreationDate="2020-08-17T14:06:01.723" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21917" PostId="6762" Score="0" Text="Great answer on the relevant UK law but the Italian law is missing. As written I would close this as well since the interaction of UK and Italian law for this specific situation is quite likely to be too specific and difficulty to answer without extensive knowledge of both legal domains. Exhaustive answers are not impossible, but improbable. (Edit: maybe it's ok if it's just &quot;how many days&quot;) The bigger point is that it probably doesn't need to cover both. I'd edit this to focus purely on the UK aspects of the law for those working outside the UK. OP can post about the Italian side if needed." CreationDate="2020-08-17T15:15:47.950" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21918" PostId="6762" Score="0" Text="VTRO as well, two more needed" CreationDate="2020-08-17T16:37:07.493" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21920" PostId="6762" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal  As someone who works with Italian companies and knows parts of their tax law, that's a whole different ball game that I'd never consider discussing. Even they don't know how it works half the time, so I agree it should stay UK centric" CreationDate="2020-08-17T16:50:48.220" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="21921" PostId="6762" Score="0" Text="@Draken I've made that edit (but might need another pass by someone) and cast a 4th and binding reopen." CreationDate="2020-08-17T21:34:17.687" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21922" PostId="6762" Score="0" Text="&quot;this is more a tax question issue&quot; - is The Workplace the proper forum for asking international tax questions? It wouldn't seem to be." CreationDate="2020-08-18T10:28:17.837" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21923" PostId="6762" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere It is when it's employment tax, this is a tax levied depending on your employment status" CreationDate="2020-08-18T10:49:49.050" UserId="52713" />
  <row Id="21936" PostId="6763" Score="3" Text="Skilled use of words to pull off that post." CreationDate="2020-09-04T13:56:38.477" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21937" PostId="6765" Score="0" Text="Funny. This seemed like a Freelancer question, and not at all like a Workplace question to me." CreationDate="2020-09-13T22:29:30.543" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21938" PostId="6765" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere the problem is applicable to a business as well, just a matter of scale." CreationDate="2020-09-14T00:03:35.637" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21939" PostId="6765" Score="0" Text="I suppose. Still seems odd. If this were written from the point of view of an Accounts Payable clerk, would it remain closed?" CreationDate="2020-09-14T10:40:02.693" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21940" PostId="6765" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I don't see it as an issue that could apply to an AP clerk. But it's one that many small businesses would have had at some point. I have it right now with the COVID 19 lockdowns hurting one whole industry I service.I have contracts so could demand payments, but I'm in for the long run, helping the client get through is worth more in the long term in many ways. It's more a small business issue dealing with small clients than a larger established one." CreationDate="2020-09-14T11:38:59.183" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21941" PostId="6765" Score="0" Text="To me it's more a &quot;how do I conduct business&quot; issue than a &quot;how do I navigate the workplace&quot; issue. No matter. It's done." CreationDate="2020-09-14T15:58:48.803" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21942" PostId="6765" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere you might be right, but many things are in grey areas or overlap. I just answer anything I think I have useful insight on, don't worry about much else." CreationDate="2020-09-14T16:02:01.550" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21943" PostId="6765" Score="1" Text="Makes sense to me." CreationDate="2020-09-14T16:18:48.503" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21947" PostId="6768" Score="0" Text="Does this answer your question? [This question seemed fair. What was wrong?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6630/this-question-seemed-fair-what-was-wrong)" CreationDate="2020-09-22T07:27:23.627" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21948" PostId="6768" Score="1" Text="Not really, I still don't understand how that question was part of a &quot;coordinate attack&quot;. And even if it was made up, we do know people who complain exactly that way!" CreationDate="2020-09-22T09:04:46.040" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="21949" PostId="6768" Score="0" Text="back then, it was discussed in chat and moderator explained their reasons for deletion" CreationDate="2020-09-22T09:31:24.520" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="21950" PostId="6768" Score="4" Text="@gnat Indeed. But of course most users don't follow that. As a rule we don't tend to announce action taken around troll users on Meta, even when it's on this scale. Reason being that the trolls themselves are much more likely to see it. Instead we give a heads-up in chat which means a lot of regulars are aware and can clarify if needed. Of course, when questions are raised on meta we do explain the context as I've just done below." CreationDate="2020-09-22T09:38:18.133" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21962" PostId="6768" Score="2" Text="Grammar was dodgy, well deserved deletion" CreationDate="2020-09-25T08:37:26.953" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21951" PostId="6770" Score="3" Text="Given the specifics of their policy (it allows for discussing minor infractions and events that are already news/public), I'm unable to think of a serious reason why we shouldn't. However, since we haven't seen a ton of this problem here, I'd like to defer to what the moderators want. Would they see this as a burden (having to delete questions that normally don't cause a problem here) or a useful tool (being able to delete these questions before they cause a problem)?" CreationDate="2020-09-22T23:58:38.067" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="21953" PostId="6770" Score="0" Text="@BSMP posted my thoughts about this one. Lets see what my fellow Mods have to say here as well" CreationDate="2020-09-23T00:24:31.570" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21957" PostId="6770" Score="2" Text="So to summarise you propose banning &quot;naming and shaming&quot;? This is rare and I think it comes up maybe a few times a year at most and every time either the community or the moderators will simply edit out the identifiers as they detract from attempts to answer the question. So we basically already operate this way. What's the point in creating a &quot;policy&quot;? If the question is &quot;should we edit this out&quot; then I guess the answer would be yes." CreationDate="2020-09-24T13:19:56.523" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21973" PostId="6770" Score="1" Text="Totally agree with @Lilienthal this seldom happens here. If it does we operate the way we already do by editing and handling. Thus, why I said what I said in my answer and why I think this doesn't exactly fit into TWP as it is." CreationDate="2020-09-29T15:30:43.977" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21995" PostId="6770" Score="1" Text="It might even make sense to edit out proper names regardless of whether or not the poster is easily identifiable. Questions about a specific individual or company would be  harder to find in a search and would attract answers that are less generalizable. Why have &quot;how to fight misogyny at Acme Corp&quot; when &quot;how to deal with misogynistic culture at a major corporation&quot; would work just as well?" CreationDate="2020-10-02T01:35:05.760" UserId="73580" />
  <row Id="21954" PostId="6771" Score="4" Text="“When such users come to this site, the vast majority never use their real name, or the coworker/boss that screwed up name, or even post from their regular SE account.” The Academia SE policy is only about the users that don’t do that, though? It’s only about making allegations against *named* individuals or organisations. “Most of our users already follow this policy” isn’t necessarily an argument against implementing a policy." CreationDate="2020-09-23T01:15:38.083" UserId="86908" />
  <row Id="21955" PostId="6771" Score="2" Text="'this single incident that prompted this Meta Post actually had a much more simple solution that didn't involved censorship or banning a user from seeking help: we simply changed the OP's username to the default name given by SE' This was indeed a good way to deal with the issue; unfortunately, it didn't happen until after Google had crawled the page, which may somewhat compromise its effectiveness." CreationDate="2020-09-23T14:25:45.650" UserId="120894" />
  <row Id="21956" PostId="6771" Score="2" Text="Incidentally, in the recent spate of questions about age discrimination in the software industry, I saw three users whose names appeared to be real names confess unambiguously to unlawful actions, one of which reached the threshold of criminality (at least in my jurisdiction) - although I note that two of the three accounts in question have been suspended for voting irregularities, and the other one has had its name changed to something anonymous _and_ been closed, so perhaps there's something deeper there." CreationDate="2020-09-23T14:46:05.463" UserId="120894" />
  <row Id="21958" PostId="6771" Score="3" Text="@DanielHatton Please check [this meta post](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6769/25739) for more on that situation." CreationDate="2020-09-24T13:21:12.257" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21960" PostId="6771" Score="1" Text="Thanks, @Lilienthal .   I had a look at the question discussed in that meta post (it's still in Google's cache).  That's a different case, because the perpetrators of the unlawful alleged actions were not named, and the user who got suspended for voting irregularities was the alleged victim of the unlawful actions, not the alleged perpetrator.  So the mods' view is that some users claiming to be victims of unlawful age discrimination, and other users claiming to be perpetrators of such discrimination, are all colluding to attack the voting system, right?  Any thoughts on the attackers' motive?" CreationDate="2020-09-24T14:05:01.367" UserId="120894" />
  <row Id="21961" PostId="6772" Score="4" Text="Yes, just edit it out, not a huge chore" CreationDate="2020-09-25T05:30:56.977" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="21964" PostId="6772" Score="4" Text="*&quot;That said, I'd prefer that the question be edited to remove the named company/individuals, rather than having the question deleted without notice&quot;* - Indeed, this seems better to me as well" CreationDate="2020-09-25T14:50:45.010" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21966" PostId="6772" Score="0" Text="Big +1 for editing them out. Besides some of the &quot;frames&quot; there is also army of people who post sensitive questions from their real account by mistake, with all the details needed to track the question subject down to real person, and there is no gain from keeping their names in the view." CreationDate="2020-09-28T07:30:54.517" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="21967" PostId="6772" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus should the question be flagged for a mod to burn the offending revisions afterwards?" CreationDate="2020-09-29T10:55:09.467" UserId="79679" />
  <row Id="21971" PostId="6772" Score="0" Text="@Haem Here in TWP we never (99.9% of the time) see things like the ones that the Academia post says happen over there. That is, we &quot;never&quot; see something like *&quot;Haem just screwed up the code commit badly, how...&quot;*. So it's not a matter of editing the post to anonymize the targets (as that's not the case on this site). However, this single incident that prompted this post was of a user probably exposing themselves with identifiable info. In those cases the situation has to be handled by the mod Team to rename the user, change PP, etc. So if you see this modflag if it's something you can't edit." CreationDate="2020-09-29T15:25:36.660" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21972" PostId="6772" Score="0" Text="@Haem shorter answer: Edit the post if possible, suggest and edit if you can't edit, mod flag if it's something like the username or profile picture that needs addressing. Currently, that's the way thing are handled here" CreationDate="2020-09-29T15:26:52.653" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21963" PostId="6773" Score="2" Text="Not enough input for a full on answer, but I think you answers are fine - in fact I would go further and say they are usually great.  Remember you *cannot* please everyone.  Someone will always have a difference of opinion from yours, whether they speak it or not.  And that is **ok**." CreationDate="2020-09-25T14:32:26.917" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21965" PostId="6774" Score="1" Text="I see our &quot;fans&quot; have followed us in here.  Excellent point" CreationDate="2020-09-26T11:27:24.417" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21987" PostId="6775" Score="2" Text="As an aside, Chat always seems to be “the place good conversations go to die”. I wish there were a way to fix this, but I have no concrete ideas :-(" CreationDate="2020-10-01T08:34:47.963" UserId="68760" />
  <row Id="21988" PostId="6775" Score="1" Text="@JoeStevens - but of course Comments are not supposed to be for conversations. Thems the rules. Changing that rule would alleviate the &quot;go to die&quot; aspect, but that seems unlikely to happen." CreationDate="2020-10-01T11:07:55.383" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21968" PostId="6776" Score="3" Text="Yeah, I finally figured that out and have stopped arguing, and just flagging." CreationDate="2020-09-29T13:18:32.360" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21970" PostId="6776" Score="2" Text="@Panzercrisis This is meta, and in Meta unless the comments are rude or some such thing they are typically left as is.  FWIW" CreationDate="2020-09-29T14:41:32.083" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21974" PostId="6778" Score="2" Text="I deleted the comment to you on Neo's answer from a little bit ago, but I left multiple smiley faces, one of them upside down, to show that I was largely joking.  The only serious part, where I was using a joke to gently suggest an idea about comments in general, wasn't targeted towards you." CreationDate="2020-09-29T15:35:18.537" UserId="12532" />
  <row Id="21977" PostId="6778" Score="1" Text="@Panzercrisis I took it in the spirit it was intended, thank you.  I'm a grumpy old curmudgeon and occasionally come across more harshly than I intend.  Welcome, BTW." CreationDate="2020-09-29T16:35:28.930" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21978" PostId="6779" Score="2" Text="My 0.02 cents: If I omit the last line in the question and read it, I do not feel it's asking the &quot;How can I make a decision&quot; question, it's still &quot;which decision shall I make&quot;." CreationDate="2020-09-30T14:18:13.123" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="21982" PostId="6780" Score="0" Text="And yet, you did close it 1 hour ago, after it was reopened? &quot;Closed 1 hour ago by gnat, Neo&quot; (shrug)" CreationDate="2020-09-30T16:11:58.223" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21983" PostId="6780" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere There is more to this than I can share sir." CreationDate="2020-09-30T16:14:36.977" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21984" PostId="6780" Score="1" Text="Secrets? Oh well." CreationDate="2020-09-30T16:17:45.090" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21985" PostId="6780" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I would not say secrets, the other moderators are aware." CreationDate="2020-09-30T16:27:01.577" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21986" PostId="6780" Score="2" Text="Okay. So &quot;not for the masses&quot;. I understand." CreationDate="2020-09-30T17:32:34.507" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="21996" PostId="6780" Score="0" Text="@Neo that phrase always get's my paranoia going." CreationDate="2020-10-02T14:30:59.937" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="21997" PostId="6780" Score="3" Text="@Old_Lamplighter It really shouldn't.  Sometimes people misbehave and we ( as mod's ) cannot discuss it." CreationDate="2020-10-02T14:42:06.590" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="21999" PostId="6780" Score="0" Text="@Neo things are discussed, just not in the open, thus the apprehension.   Given how a certain matter was handled a year ago, there isn't much trust left in SE, individual moderators, yes, but SE as a whole, no.  SE is transparent as obsidian." CreationDate="2020-10-02T19:39:08.593" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22000" PostId="6780" Score="2" Text="@Old_Lamplighter But SE moderators have never divulged all the information behind an account getting suspended, not unless the suspended user has revealed the details first. That's not new." CreationDate="2020-10-04T09:15:10.557" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="21981" PostId="6781" Score="0" Text="These two linked questions are somewhat different. The first asks &quot;should I follow my gut?&quot;. That's not a question I'd vote to reopen. The second asks &quot;what's the most rational way to decide which road to take?&quot;. If that question weren't over three years old, I'd happily vote to reopen." CreationDate="2020-09-30T16:09:19.693" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22001" PostId="6783" Score="1" Text="yeah, and I'd imagine it saves y'all the headaches of having to deal with &quot;Why was MY comment moved to chat, but his stayed&quot;." CreationDate="2020-10-05T13:27:45.723" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22002" PostId="6783" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter The people who complain about their comments disappearing tend to be more self-centred than that and not care that other comments were left up. :) Any complainers are normally just directed to the &quot;what comments are for&quot; page which is also explains why some comments might have been left up (= they seek clarification from the OP)." CreationDate="2020-10-05T15:03:45.150" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="21989" PostId="6784" Score="0" Text="When looking at two of the previous answers to this question, I was kind of surprised by them describing comments the way they did, exactly for the reason you describe: It's not like the sites are auto-deleting these things.  It's not a contradiction per se, but for that and similar reasons, it does feel like the rule de jure and the site moderation de facto are two wildly different things." CreationDate="2020-10-01T12:38:10.037" UserId="12532" />
  <row Id="21990" PostId="6785" Score="0" Text="I can delete them for you if you wish..." CreationDate="2020-10-01T17:34:13.433" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21991" PostId="6785" Score="0" Text="(done).... now regarding to your question, I think that as long as it's locked there is no way for you to do that. It seems that only mods can modify things after a post is locked (not an official answer)." CreationDate="2020-10-01T17:35:41.133" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="21992" PostId="6785" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus - thanks. Maybe you can clean this one up as well? https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/164553/choosing-between-two-job-offers-big-brand-vs-smaller-more-fulfilling-role#comment533164_164553" CreationDate="2020-10-01T18:03:05.727" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22005" PostId="6788" Score="10" Text="&quot;I'd rather not be banned&quot; - your profile seems to indicate that you point to your bannings with pride?" CreationDate="2020-10-21T12:07:58.770" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22006" PostId="6788" Score="2" Text="Not enough for an answer, but simply put:  If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything." CreationDate="2020-10-21T12:09:27.227" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22009" PostId="6788" Score="1" Text="Just carry on as usual, you'll probably be fine" CreationDate="2020-10-25T07:12:06.723" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22003" PostId="6790" Score="2" Text="Sounds like this is an answer to &quot;How should I gracefully resign / move on?&quot;? We have a similar question [How can one resign from a new job gracefully?](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/7149) but that's specifically when you're very new. Sounds like there's an opportunity to create a canonical question. If you want a canonical answer it needs a canonical question. You could use this post here to create that question with some consensus input and in a way that will avoid it attracting close flags, then post it." CreationDate="2020-10-21T08:00:34.153" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22004" PostId="6790" Score="1" Text="The answer author can then either repost his answer or we could close the linked question as a duplicate and transfer the answer to the new post as part of that (post merge, reserved for moderators). This will keep its reputation but the timing might be important, especially if the new post hits HNQ, and we'd want to avoid discouraging new answers to a canonical question." CreationDate="2020-10-21T08:03:07.020" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22007" PostId="6790" Score="0" Text="Oh just noticed this... Appreciate the vote of confidence. As the author of the answer in question, happy to move/repost it or have it moved wherever.  I was surprised myself that of all the questions about resigning there wasn't a straightforward one, I looked briefly.   Do note my answer only addresses permanent employment (contracts ending is different), leaving one job for another (and not randomly quitting) and is mostly relevant to white collar type jobs (lower end shift type work would merit different advice)." CreationDate="2020-10-21T18:37:55.577" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22017" PostId="6790" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk-SEstopbeingevil question posted : https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/166625/how-do-i-resign-gracefully-professionally" CreationDate="2020-11-09T08:50:44.170" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22018" PostId="6790" Score="0" Text="copied answer over, thanks @Walfrat" CreationDate="2020-11-09T20:42:42.457" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22008" PostId="6791" Score="2" Text="Generally speaking when posting canonical question I'd advise being clear and avoiding a hypothetical &quot;I am doing X and want to do Y&quot;. Instead you can just keep it to the &quot;How do I resign gracefully/professionally?&quot; in the title and then ask &quot;What are the steps involved when resigning a job, and how do I leave on good terms / while remaining professional&quot;." CreationDate="2020-10-23T21:42:19.937" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22010" PostId="6792" Score="0" Text="seems like you have more vote. Maybe wait 3 more days so it have been open a full week and go for it :)" CreationDate="2020-10-26T08:29:43.413" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22011" PostId="6792" Score="0" Text="&quot;Find another job first&quot; is commonly given advice when someone says they want to quit, as it's not always clear whether they intend to do or have done that. So I think that would be better as part of the answer than given in the question. There isn't really much to *say* in terms of that, so it wouldn't lengthen an answer much, but it can be important to say it nonetheless." CreationDate="2020-10-29T16:11:14.873" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22013" PostId="6792" Score="2" Text="You can't leave a blue collar job in a professional manner?" CreationDate="2020-11-02T21:56:04.887" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22014" PostId="6792" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter of course you can, but the  person who wrote the answer that this canonical question is for said their answer is specifically for white collar jobs." CreationDate="2020-11-03T23:01:38.027" UserId="54765" />
  <row Id="22015" PostId="6792" Score="0" Text="@Kat if we are singling out this for white collar jobs only, then perhaps it's not as canonical as we think... I suggest we consider if this can be extrapolated to white or blue collar jobs, so it is in fact canonical." CreationDate="2020-11-06T20:56:47.557" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22016" PostId="6792" Score="0" Text="That’s not a good definition of canonical.  Ending contracts deserves a good comprehensive answer, ending low end retail/food service jobs are very different..  getting involuntary terminated is different...  we don’t need to combine all that up that’s called “a book.”" CreationDate="2020-11-06T22:54:21.613" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22019" PostId="6793" Score="0" Text="Nice one. I was sure we already had past Q&amp;As regarding this topic." CreationDate="2020-11-11T22:56:09.790" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22020" PostId="6793" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus what about moving the two main answer I have to that one and close mine then ?" CreationDate="2020-11-13T14:20:40.977" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22021" PostId="6793" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat I'd say that you leave your answers where they are. Not much of a point moving around answers, if they already served their purpose (you already helped the user that posted and you answered to). However, in the future we now know there is a canonical-ish post of this matter, and we should vote as dupe or redirect to that one instead." CreationDate="2020-11-13T18:34:56.540" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22023" PostId="6796" Score="0" Text="Currently (2 days after this was posted) the question looks to be in good shape with a clear enough question. The top voted answer seems clear as well and I guess it's been edited to match the latest version. In general massive deviations in scope will lead to this, particularly for HNQ questions where vote counts come in early on the popular answers and scope changes will be hard. It's why we'll remove questions from HNQ or outright close them if they lack sufficient clarity. Do note that the OP is always free to accept an answer of choice. Especially on HNQ vote counts aren't a great metric." CreationDate="2020-11-16T17:02:07.417" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22049" PostId="6796" Score="0" Text="Similar/related Q&amp;As on the RPG.SE Meta that may be useful to reference: [When a Question Changes Completely, Should it be a New Question?](https://rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6519/33569) (an FAQ), [What do we do with answers made obsolete by a question change?](https://rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/q/3001/33569), [What kind of edits are acceptable to a question after an answer has been posted?](https://rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9094/33569)" CreationDate="2020-11-28T08:13:17.743" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="22050" PostId="6796" Score="0" Text="And a few more, about specific cases of this issue: [Should I edit my question or create a new one?](https://rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4813/33569), [Rewriting questions after question has been answered](https://rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1625/33569), [Massive edit to a question undercuts existing highly-upvoted answer](https://rpg.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5318/33569)" CreationDate="2020-11-28T08:13:36.657" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="22022" PostId="6797" Score="2" Text="Yep, helped the OP, thats the main goal" CreationDate="2020-11-15T04:18:59.953" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22024" PostId="6797" Score="1" Text="&quot;The goal is to answer a question most relevant to the OP's need.&quot;  While I agree with this, it is a point of contention that I've had in past interactions with mods.  This isn't a help forum, it's a Q&amp;A site so quality of answers for future users supposedly supercedes solving OPs problems." CreationDate="2020-11-16T19:01:07.923" UserId="26235" />
  <row Id="22025" PostId="6797" Score="0" Text="Agree it's not a help forum, because we don't accept just any questions, but I would think part of the quality of answers involves revising them to fit the current question. I've seen questions have been edited down to almost nothing, and then reverted by others, so there are some cases where it makes sense. But if that started to become more common, then I think we risk discouraging people from asking questions." CreationDate="2020-11-16T21:26:04.087" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="22040" PostId="6797" Score="1" Text="On Code Review, if the question is edited thusly that part of answers no longer apply, the edit is rolled back. We consider such edits to be invalidating the answer. This is not a problem on Workplace?" CreationDate="2020-11-19T09:40:16.513" UserId="26901" />
  <row Id="22041" PostId="6797" Score="0" Text="@Mast I can see how that practice makes a lot of sense for Code Review. Answer invalidation is a problem here, but I would say not to the same extent. One main difference is we work with OPs to help ask a good question, which can involve editing. On CR, the code is the code, and it doesn't make any sense to edit once posted. Not sure what the etiquette is, but I would think revised code should be a separate post.   There's no perfect solution, but in my opinion, on this site at least, we should favor answering the OP's question as it evolves, and roll back edits on a case-by-case basis." CreationDate="2020-11-19T09:53:30.283" UserId="4781" />
  <row Id="22042" PostId="6797" Score="3" Text="Ah, yes. We help the OP with their question and which code to post until it's reviewable. Premature answers (posted before question is ready) should not be posted, edits to the code are no longer welcome after answers arrive. Explained [here](https://codereview.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1763/52915), [here](https://codereview.meta.stackexchange.com/q/752/52915) and [here](https://codereview.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1065/52915). With links to the original question, the lack-of-context problem you described is largely alleviated." CreationDate="2020-11-19T10:26:21.733" UserId="26901" />
  <row Id="22051" PostId="6799" Score="0" Text="I'd slightly modify your third point (or partially disagree with it)... If the edit results in a change in scope to a question that was already on-topic, such that it's basically asking a different question, then such an edit should probably be rolled back *regardless of who the edit is by* (assuming at least one answer has already been posted, at least). Nothing prevents the question author from asking a new question, if they have a question about a different aspect of the issue than what they originally asked (e.g. if the answers to their first question prompt other followup questions)." CreationDate="2020-11-28T08:19:14.270" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="22052" PostId="6799" Score="1" Text="That is, if the question author asks about topic A, and they get several answers that address that point, maybe the question author then realizes that they actually should have asked about topic B instead. They shouldn't edit the initial question to suddenly ask about topic B instead (whether they're replacing their original question entirely, or just tacking a new question onto the same post). Even if they wrote the original question, totally changing what the question asks invalidates the existing answers - and everyone's better served by them asking their new question separately." CreationDate="2020-11-28T08:24:29.467" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="22026" PostId="6800" Score="3" Text="&quot;*People with less than pure motives know that, and tend to go on the attack when they know that the mods are not likely to be around.*&quot; I'd say you're giving them too much credit. The people leaving the kinds of comments we have to clean up tend not to think too hard about what they're writing to begin with. Though of course you will indeed see these comments remain up longer during moderator downtime. We have a pretty big window of activity though and more often nasty comments can remain up for so long or spiral out of control so far simply because they're not being flagged." CreationDate="2020-11-18T00:12:48.843" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22033" PostId="6800" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal I tend to flag nonsense when I see it, and I've seen flags on some pretty abusive crap stay up for days." CreationDate="2020-11-18T13:24:03.000" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22035" PostId="6800" Score="2" Text="It's mostly a general comment to the community flag aggressively and early as I often see posts where flags come in a day or two after a &quot;situation&quot; developed. There are rare cases where it can take a day or two for us to handle a flag (strongly correlated with weekends :)) but this isn't common. Looking through your flags the vast majority are handled within 12 hours (not too different from our current average response time though that's a flawed metric) with 3 or 4 in the past few months that took more than a day. We certainly appreciate them though, as evidenced by your flag stats as well." CreationDate="2020-11-18T14:14:22.910" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22034" PostId="6802" Score="3" Text="And, of course, prior to this feature, as soon as comments were moved to chat, people would start right in under the question again." CreationDate="2020-11-18T13:25:27.577" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22036" PostId="6803" Score="3" Text="Another place we dropped the ball was we should have edited out some of the flame-bait in the original post.  It's current incarnation is much better." CreationDate="2020-11-18T18:43:28.627" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22037" PostId="6804" Score="2" Text="Related post where merging both tags was discussed: [Merge Tags: professionalism and unprofessional-behavior](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3477/merge-tags-professionalism-and-unprofessional-behavior)" CreationDate="2020-11-18T18:48:38.163" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22043" PostId="6804" Score="1" Text="Update to the stats in the post @DarkCygnus linked: 474 questions now have the unprofessional version while 3,475 are tagged [tag:professionalism]. 166 have **both** tags." CreationDate="2020-11-19T22:10:02.517" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22044" PostId="6806" Score="1" Text="You might as well ask it here, but I think it would require a lot more information like your age, your location, the time frame you have in mind, your current job (if any), your education level, and your reason for choosing electronics engineering (and not something else). Please note that you can just [edit] your question instead of starting a new one. Also, I think the answer is &quot;yes&quot; and I strongly recommend you avoid asking a &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot; question on here. We hate those types of questions. Instead, you should ask for ways to improve your chances in your endeavor." CreationDate="2020-11-21T08:42:19.930" UserId="14577" />
  <row Id="22046" PostId="6806" Score="0" Text="I am preparing my most important points to include here" CreationDate="2020-11-24T07:38:05.623" UserId="121295" />
  <row Id="22047" PostId="6809" Score="0" Text="FWIW, it doesn't seem bad to me. Weird, certainly. Probably a duplicate of something that's been asked before. Strange focus on music lyrics. But still a reasonably clear, answerable question." CreationDate="2020-11-24T09:14:38.767" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="22048" PostId="6809" Score="1" Text="possibly related: [How do I explain ${something} to ${someone}?](https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6630/31260)" CreationDate="2020-11-24T13:26:20.527" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="22053" PostId="6810" Score="0" Text="While I think your answer's right, only the last line of your post actually answers the main question here of how to improve the post. You should edit it to elaborate on that point (e.g. by pointing out that the quoted song lyrics just add clutter to the post). In addition, I'd also point out that it's unclear what the actual problem being solved is; the framing device of &quot;ELI5&quot; just obscures that even further (as pointed out in the [Software Engineering Meta Q&amp;A](https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6629) that's linked in the comments of this question)." CreationDate="2020-11-28T09:00:06.003" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="22054" PostId="6811" Score="4" Text="&quot;What do you think?&quot; is **not** a goal.  This reads a lot like a question that was geared for a hit as a HNQ.  If the community disagrees, they (you) can vote to re-open it." CreationDate="2020-12-15T16:00:47.973" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22055" PostId="6811" Score="4" Text="@Neo I honestly don't see the problem with it but maybe that means many questions that aren't voted off topic are also off topic since I'm basing my opinion off my experiences on the main site to date." CreationDate="2020-12-15T17:17:24.420" UserId="44013" />
  <row Id="22056" PostId="6811" Score="2" Text="There was an excellent edit made to the question, maybe it will be re-opened?" CreationDate="2020-12-15T17:36:19.533" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22060" PostId="6811" Score="0" Text="Most of the details in the question makes it more controversial and less applicable to others with a similar question and should be edited out of the post. The question probably wouldn't make all that much sense if one were to do that though, but then again the stated goal of the site is to create a library of questions and answers, which implies that such a question that's highly specific to one situation doesn't belong here. If anything, it would make more sense to create a canonical question from the opposite side: asking how to know whether you're being harassed (and how to deal with it)." CreationDate="2020-12-24T09:39:09.120" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22057" PostId="6812" Score="1" Text="Ahh, when I first saw it that wasn't the question. I see...  Thanks." CreationDate="2020-12-16T21:05:27.503" UserId="44013" />
  <row Id="22059" PostId="6814" Score="0" Text="I still have the balalaika one, didn't notice it going missing and reappearing, I was wearing it until just recently" CreationDate="2020-12-23T06:44:18.763" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22061" PostId="6815" Score="0" Text="Posted an answer for your consideration. If what you want is to submit the post to be considered for reopening by the community, you should post a Meta Post here with the [meta-tag:reopen-request] tag and asking why you think it's on topic." CreationDate="2021-01-06T19:10:53.290" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22066" PostId="6815" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Thank you. I still think that the wording of the question can be improved to focus on the *how* instead of a yes/no answer to be more on-topic, though I already got an &quot;answer&quot; to it from Joe's comment so I will proceed based on that." CreationDate="2021-01-07T01:24:06.180" UserId="37562" />
  <row Id="22062" PostId="6816" Score="5" Text="Uh... We don't usually delete questions here in 12 hours, I don't think this is good advice.  I assume it got deleted for cause by Neo because it got flagged by users including myself." CreationDate="2021-01-06T22:05:26.553" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22063" PostId="6816" Score="1" Text="@mxyzplk you misunderstood. I never said we delete in average in 12h... sometimes posts go wayy faster, sometimes they take longer. What I said is that (1) OP wasn't engaged in the whole process until the post got closed, and even then deleted and (2) that this site post interaction is faster than other sites like SO where feedback takes days to come. OP didn't ask &quot;why was this deleted.period.&quot;, OP asked &quot;why was this deleted without a chance to improve&quot;, so the key aspect is &quot;without chance to improve&quot;, which is what I covered in the answer..." CreationDate="2021-01-07T00:23:53.280" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22064" PostId="6816" Score="3" Text="There is no expectation that people jump on their posts to improve them within 12 hours.  I am pro deleting this question but this seems very misleading to me." CreationDate="2021-01-07T01:07:06.037" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22065" PostId="6816" Score="1" Text="@mxyzplk IIRC there was some guidance somewhere asking posters not to &quot;shoot and run&quot;... to remain engaged at least in the first moments after they post their Q (don't have the time to search for the link now, but it makes sense as it would avoid good posts being closed by hasty users that won't wait for OP to come back)... and even if there was not expectation for users to be engaged, in practice it is expected, to be able to correct details and enhance, and get better help... anyways, I wouldn't feed the troll any more ;) I gave my two cents on the engagement part. The closing was obvious." CreationDate="2021-01-07T01:11:11.690" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22067" PostId="6816" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk I see that questions have been closed in the past for duplicates/off-topic but a closed question can still be improved with the Edit feature. Why do you think that this question should be deleted rather than closed?" CreationDate="2021-01-07T01:33:35.297" UserId="37562" />
  <row Id="22068" PostId="6816" Score="1" Text="Because it is obvious trolling and doesn’t belong on the site.  There is no real answer (how do you ask?  You open your mouth and ask) and it’s clearly just a goof for whatever reason, and therefore not welcome on this site.  In that spirit I won’t respond further to this, but I felt it was important to make the point that legit questions aren’t required to engage or be deleted in half a day." CreationDate="2021-01-07T01:40:32.627" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22069" PostId="6816" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk yup you are correct, nobody is **required** to engage nor to delete in half a day, and nowhere in my post I mentioned that those things are **required**... in practice it's quite different though, and that's what I pointed out with my two cents of advice so OP and everyone can **consider** for when they post (again, not requiring, which is your confusion, and still I am quite sure that the engaged part is mentioned somewhere, will search for it when I get some time)." CreationDate="2021-01-07T01:46:06.237" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22070" PostId="6816" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk A search for &quot;how to ask&quot; on this site come up with many questions about various topics usually with answers containing example conversations which is what I was looking for. My question was closed for being &quot;company-specific&quot; and I feel that it can be worded better to emphasize the goal (as described in this meta question) without it being company-specific. Why are you attacking it as &quot;obvious trolling&quot;?" CreationDate="2021-01-07T01:55:29.740" UserId="37562" />
  <row Id="22071" PostId="6816" Score="2" Text="@CoryCarter if you have a better phrasing, more clear, with a goal we can help, is not a choice question (see [help/dont-ask]) then perhaps try posting it with the improved phrasing and content, consider being engaged to feedback and clarification, and let's see how it goes from there (what mxyzplk was saying that the question was quite unbelievable, and seemed like potential trollish in nature... perhaps if you clarified it wouldn't have appeared that way)." CreationDate="2021-01-07T02:18:56.603" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22072" PostId="6816" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk you would be correct." CreationDate="2021-01-07T13:31:55.700" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22073" PostId="6816" Score="2" Text="In reading the deleted question, I can only imagine the shock and horror of anyone seeing me in the required dress code" CreationDate="2021-01-07T13:41:10.140" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22074" PostId="6817" Score="1" Text="I can see it now. The big, bold, **hyperlinked**, HR IS NOT YOUR FRIEND!" CreationDate="2021-01-18T16:46:54.633" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="22079" PostId="6817" Score="4" Text="Over-generalization is a bad idea." CreationDate="2021-01-19T14:19:00.023" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22080" PostId="6817" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Is HR going to go against the company's best interests in favor of an employee?" CreationDate="2021-01-19T15:42:44.987" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22081" PostId="6817" Score="0" Text="Could HR be your friend and still have the company's best interest at heart? If the title of the question/answer were &quot;What is the role of HR?&quot;, I'd be more amenable to the idea." CreationDate="2021-01-19T16:37:43.603" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22082" PostId="6817" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I have no problem with that" CreationDate="2021-01-19T17:20:00.473" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22083" PostId="6817" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'll have to change my catch phrase though :D  People do misunderstand what the role of HR is.  Specifically, it is not, as a friend of mine said &quot;to play Kindergarten Cop&quot;" CreationDate="2021-01-19T17:21:47.667" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22084" PostId="6821" Score="0" Text="Only 2 users deleted? Seems like I say the &quot;-10 user was deleted&quot; message more than that. I'm probably just misremembering." CreationDate="2021-01-19T21:28:58.240" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22085" PostId="6821" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere yeah, I've gotten hit with plenty of the -10 user was deleted as well, certainly many more than 2" CreationDate="2021-01-19T21:48:45.940" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22086" PostId="6821" Score="2" Text="@Old_Lamplighter - maybe the &quot;destroyed&quot; users generate the same message and that accounts for so many." CreationDate="2021-01-19T23:56:52.390" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22090" PostId="6821" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere and others: when we remove users, as you can see that is almost always by &quot;destroying&quot; them (more [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/88996/260382)) which removes all their content. Usually the distinction doesn't matter as we tend to only ever remove spammers or trolls. In some cases we delete a user when they have some decent posts associated with them. A typical example would be a troll question that was edited into shape to be a high-quality Q&amp;A post. We still want to get rid of the troll but the post can stay in that case." CreationDate="2021-01-20T08:26:58.520" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22091" PostId="6821" Score="2" Text="Secondly, you'll also get that &quot;user was removed&quot; when someone schedules an account deletion, at least in most cases. More on that [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/126471/260382)." CreationDate="2021-01-20T08:29:56.477" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22094" PostId="6823" Score="0" Text="Logs show no downvotes in your timeframe for Colleen, 1 downvote on the entire day for Old Lamplighter. Odds of downvotes being the cause are slim. I'd assume a strange graphical glitch or potentially people reversing their upvotes during a grace period. I'd slap a &quot;could not reproduce&quot; on this and not worry about it unless you see it happening again." CreationDate="2021-01-21T19:01:29.433" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22093" PostId="6824" Score="0" Text="That was done by me to test whether it was a glitch or not." CreationDate="2021-01-20T22:24:03.157" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="22095" PostId="6825" Score="11" Text="&quot;When and how should I approach HR?&quot; or some variation of that like &quot;What role does HR have?&quot; seems like a great question to me. I know the &quot;HR is not your friend&quot; thing has gained some traction here but I'm personally not a fan as I find it lacks nuance and introduces a concept that doesn't belong in a professional context (friends &lt;&gt; enemies). &quot;HR works for your company not you&quot; would say the same thing more effectively and is almost self-explanatory." CreationDate="2021-01-22T15:28:26.500" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22096" PostId="6825" Score="2" Text="The advantage of a canonical post explaining in clear and ideally neutral terms what role HR does and doesn't have is that it gives you a target to link to when commenting &quot;HR is not your friend!&quot; without having to launch into an explanation in the comments. (IIRC there are 1 or 2 answers out there that can already be used for this where you or someone else explains the concept.)" CreationDate="2021-01-22T15:31:44.017" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22097" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I know I am a primary offender here, and when I use it, it's usually in the context of wanting to scream &quot;OMG, you are about to put your job in jeopardy&quot;.  But, yes, something that spells it out clearly would help" CreationDate="2021-01-22T16:43:02.617" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22099" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="I second @Lilienthal first commend and alternate phrasings. This is indeed a recurrent theme here on TWP." CreationDate="2021-01-22T17:09:06.287" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22101" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal - I'm having a hard time imagining a canonical of what HR does that isn't filled with an almost infinite set of variations. In my career, I worked at everything from tiny startups to megacorps. HR was different in most of them. Sometimes HR does x. Sometimes HR does y. Sometimes HR is outsourced. Sometimes HR is part time. Sometimes there is no HR. Etc, etc." CreationDate="2021-01-23T16:44:41.553" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22102" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere yes, but there are some basics such as 1-They work for the company's interests. 2-going to them about a problem triggers an investigation 3-once they start an investigation it is out of your hands.  Then, there's what sort of information should be brought to them, and what shouldn't" CreationDate="2021-01-23T19:04:26.043" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22103" PostId="6825" Score="1" Text="But my mate Richard reckons HR is not your friend......" CreationDate="2021-01-24T03:16:33.723" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22104" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I don't expect an exhaustive answer of every possible task HR can do but it's perfectly reasonable in my view to explain in broad stroke what falls under HR, what their usual roles are and as an example how it includes payroll at some firms but not all. Take the Wikipedia article on HR as an example: it covers the basics well within our typical post lengths." CreationDate="2021-01-24T09:56:24.160" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22105" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter - &quot;2-going to them about a problem triggers an investigation&quot; sometimes, not always." CreationDate="2021-01-24T12:06:56.207" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22106" PostId="6825" Score="2" Text="Do we have any canonical Questions/Answers for The Workplace? If so, where are they? Are they actually used?" CreationDate="2021-01-24T12:29:25.310" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22107" PostId="6825" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I was wondering the same thing. I guess if someone asks the question 'When and how to go to HR', and then answers it, it would have the same affect? But I doubt they could cover everything except very general information which might not even apply some places. So whats the point?" CreationDate="2021-01-25T08:46:18.193" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22108" PostId="6825" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi - I've read here on Meta about creating canonical Questions/Answers for The Workplace. I could see it working for other forums. But I'm looking for examples where it has actually worked here in TWP. Maybe there are none?" CreationDate="2021-01-25T12:57:07.360" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22111" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="In fact we could have a question (or more) that could ask what are the responsabilities or the various rôle among project/team leader, manager, HR, coworker and what are the expected professional interaction. We have huge number of question that stem from the fact that lot of people don't know that." CreationDate="2021-01-27T13:27:07.673" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22112" PostId="6825" Score="1" Text="@Walfrat I would think that it varies enormously between industries, locales and maybe even companies and individuals, so it would just be a very general answer of limited use?" CreationDate="2021-01-28T06:34:15.197" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22113" PostId="6825" Score="1" Text="Are you aware of this post: [What does HR do for me?](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/81773/what-does-hr-do-for-me)" CreationDate="2021-01-29T11:24:31.633" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22115" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Some regular questions should be able to serve as canonical posts, if it weren't for the fact that answerers (and voters, editors and people closing and reopening questions) generally focus heavily on the immediate problem of the asker instead of also trying to provide long-term value by making something a bit more general so it would also answer the question of those with a similar problem." CreationDate="2021-01-29T11:54:58.443" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22117" PostId="6825" Score="1" Text="@BernhardBarker - so it sounds like you are saying that canonical questions/answers *could* work in ideal world, but that in reality they *don't*. Okay." CreationDate="2021-01-29T12:40:31.453" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22118" PostId="6825" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'm saying on *this site specifically* canonical posts don't naturally come about (and people are generally not too interested in having them specifically created), whereas they do naturally come about on other Stack Exchange sites (like Stack Overflow, where people sometimes also specifically create them). This is not to say it happens as often as I think it should on those sites, but at least it does sometimes happen." CreationDate="2021-01-29T13:34:29.653" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22119" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@BernhardBarker I find your logic in this matter to be impenetrable." CreationDate="2021-01-29T13:37:25.957" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22120" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@BernhardBarker - okay, then if I understand what you are saying, I guess I agree. I can imagine them working on other sites, but I can't imagine them working here." CreationDate="2021-01-29T13:37:37.050" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22121" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@BernhardBarker, it's OK to focus heavily on the immediate problem and address the specifics of an OP's situation. Can such answers apply to other situations? perhaps. But if someone has a similar question they can ask it-- as long as the dupe police don't shut it down or scare away the OP with harsh needless downvotes. It's really NOT feasible to give &quot;canonical&quot; answers to problems which are intrinsically subjective." CreationDate="2021-01-31T15:57:51.190" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="22122" PostId="6825" Score="1" Text="@teego1967 I'm not saying focusing heavily on the specifics of an OP's situation is objectively bad (and, either way, there's still a decent amount of room for that). We could argue about the pros and cons: you can answer an individual question in the best way possible to help the asker, which comes at the cost of not being particularly useful for people coming from Google (which, IIRC, is the majority of SE traffic). But really what it comes down to is what the intended goal of Stack Exchange / Workplace is, which is definitely more focused on long-term value than users here are." CreationDate="2021-01-31T18:09:02.947" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22123" PostId="6825" Score="1" Text="@teego1967 Why do you think the functionality to close things as duplicates even exists, if it's not something we're ever supposed to use?" CreationDate="2021-01-31T18:20:07.987" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22124" PostId="6825" Score="1" Text="@teego1967 Actually I feel using the word &quot;canonical&quot; might be a bit counter-productive, as that occasionally leads to a discussion about semantics. What I mean when I say a &quot;canonical question&quot; is having a single question with answers that help as many people as possible based on how they're structured and phrased and having them address some common alternatives to the problem the asker is facing. This does not prevent anyone from posting their own answer with their own take on this (for the most part)." CreationDate="2021-01-31T18:20:59.437" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22125" PostId="6825" Score="1" Text="@BernhardBarker, sometimes questions really are duplicates. Often, however, they are not. There are some people on here (for example, gnat) who mark questions as &quot;duplicate&quot; for even the most trivial superficial similarity to an existing question. This is needlessly harsh and unwelcoming especially to new contributors. Having so-called &quot;canonical&quot; answers to certain questions would only encourage people to mark even more questions as dupes. I think that's counterproductive." CreationDate="2021-01-31T20:23:28.023" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="22128" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@teego1967 People being overeager to close things for any reason is not good, but whether it's okay to go too far in the opposite direction and be too hesitant to do so relates back to whether we should care at all about long-term value. There were [only 8 duplicate closures](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/search?q=created%3A2021-01+duplicate%3Ayes) in the last month, out of 800+ questions. I don't think that rate is nearly high enough to worry about. I would rather advocate for educating some on how to correctly use duplicate votes instead of just getting everyone to use it less often." CreationDate="2021-02-01T12:53:09.697" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22134" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@BernhardBarker I've never been a fan of the term because it seems to be a purely SO thing. The [definition](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/291994/1103571) is decent enough though, the main purpose is a high quality set of answers to a recurring question that usually acts as a dupe target for common questions. To my knowledge we have at most a handful of questions that were created to fit these criteria while we have plenty that have grown to become a sort of reference answer here. The [linked question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/81773/25739) is arguably the latter." CreationDate="2021-02-01T22:02:42.647" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22135" PostId="6825" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal The overwhelming majority of questions I ever feel the need to use for duplicate closure, or just to link to, have answers littered with specifics about the question that are somewhere between not-at-all useful and requiring reading between the lines to apply it to one's own situation. The what-HR-does answers don't really explain which issues you should (not) go to HR with. [The asking-for-a-raise answer](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/1025) addresses the specific raise OP wants to ask for and their certification. And those are the more reference-worthy, most are much worse" CreationDate="2021-02-01T22:48:50.257" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22098" PostId="6826" Score="1" Text="It's never as cut and dry as that." CreationDate="2021-01-22T16:47:58.900" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22100" PostId="6826" Score="6" Text="I thought of ten exceptions to that rule between reading the answer and writing this comment." CreationDate="2021-01-22T21:27:46.163" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="22110" PostId="6826" Score="1" Text="What a bizarre response. You have let the downvotes get to you." CreationDate="2021-01-26T16:14:22.583" UserId="77747" />
  <row Id="22116" PostId="6826" Score="1" Text="I don't even remember what it was but I'm sure it was based and owned whoever I was responding to." CreationDate="2021-01-29T11:59:52.177" UserId="113541" />
  <row Id="22126" PostId="6826" Score="1" Text="Any arguments against this rule? Some exceptions are not enough to think that this rule is wrong. +1 to this answer from me." CreationDate="2021-02-01T07:23:16.057" UserId="105295" />
  <row Id="22127" PostId="6826" Score="2" Text="&quot;I thought of ten exceptions&quot; - fails to mention what any of them are. I can't think of a single exception myself." CreationDate="2021-02-01T12:03:50.773" UserId="113541" />
  <row Id="22146" PostId="6826" Score="0" Text="General administrative issues are handled by HR for the most part. Speaking to HR would make sense if you're facing harassment or bullying from a fellow employee (there are certainly some well-publicised instances where HR tried to sweep those complaints under the rug, but generally they're who you should take those complaints to). I'm doubtful of the extent a typical manager would be able to help with that, especially if the other employee isn't their subordinate. If you speak to HR if your boss is &quot;the problem&quot;, but they didn't do anything objectively wrong, then HR may not do much." CreationDate="2021-02-03T20:32:18.413" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22147" PostId="6826" Score="1" Text="General administrative issues are handled by HR for the most part, correct, but you go to your boss first and tell them you have a general administrative issue, and then they tell you to go to HR. Common professional courtesy. Speaking to HR on bullying would absolutely make sense, but only after you've raised it with your boss first (unless your boss is the bully or is part of the problem). It's true that HR might not do much if you go to them about a problem with your boss, but that's hardly a reason not to approach them." CreationDate="2021-02-05T12:52:18.080" UserId="113541" />
  <row Id="22129" PostId="6828" Score="5" Text="Wrong place sorry" CreationDate="2021-02-01T17:05:41.650" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22130" PostId="6828" Score="1" Text="Ok, thank you for your answers, I wanted to be sure before posting !" CreationDate="2021-02-01T17:11:11.020" UserId="124033" />
  <row Id="22131" PostId="6828" Score="2" Text="There are no Stack Exchange sites that allow you to ask for &quot;shopping&quot; recommendations, like asking who/what is the &quot;best&quot; product/supplier for a given item." CreationDate="2021-02-01T17:11:23.053" UserId="886" />
  <row Id="22132" PostId="6828" Score="0" Text="That was not the idea but I understand what you mean.@DJClayworth" CreationDate="2021-02-01T17:12:12.140" UserId="124033" />
  <row Id="22133" PostId="6830" Score="2" Text="It's on the edge of being a list question for me in that you're almost asking for a software recommendation so you'd have to be clear that you're looking for a generic approach. It's also close to being almost too general as this is a topic I imagine you can write entire books about. That said, it still feels on-topic and answerable, I'm just adding this here because you'll need to describe this properly to avoid those pitfalls and because you may want to temper your expectations. There are a lot of planning angles you can approach this from: capacity, assignment pipeline, prioritisation, ..." CreationDate="2021-02-01T21:56:56.680" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22136" PostId="6830" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal: Thank you for your remarks. &quot;you'd have to be clear that you're looking for a generic approach&quot; - I see this is an important thing to consider when writing my question, especially given that even after re-reading my question, it seems crystal-clear to me that I am nowhere even coming close to asking for any concrete tool or software, whereas it apparently isn't to you. Thus, I must be explicit about this as my own perception of the text apparently doesn't provide a good guideline here. ..." CreationDate="2021-02-02T13:05:37.917" UserId="124034" />
  <row Id="22137" PostId="6830" Score="1" Text="... &quot;There are a lot of planning angles you can approach this from&quot; - certainly, though my requirements are quite a bit more specific than what I outlined in my initial paragraph. I just meant to provide an impression of what my question would be about, rather than already spelling out the final question, which could make it seem like I'm erroneously asking an actual in-topic question on the meta site." CreationDate="2021-02-02T13:08:25.940" UserId="124034" />
  <row Id="22138" PostId="6830" Score="1" Text="It's obvious to me, it not always is to some of the more trigger-happy people patrolling the new questions who could pick up on a poorly phrased question with a List VTC. Just giving fair warning. :) And it's generally fine to provide the full text of the question you have in mind to check if it can be improved prior to posting. There's just usually no real need to do so as long as it's clear that the question wouldn't be instantly put on hold." CreationDate="2021-02-02T17:16:02.017" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22140" PostId="6831" Score="0" Text="You can also share the question or phrasing you want to ask so we can give a more specific answer, if you want" CreationDate="2021-02-02T19:52:33.127" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22142" PostId="6831" Score="0" Text="It's basically how to cope with a situation they disagree with, sharing of ventilators due to shortage,  and lack of support during night time shifts so very little senior suppory" CreationDate="2021-02-02T20:50:26.957" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="22143" PostId="6831" Score="0" Text="So far what you describe sounds good to me. I'd say you go for it, we can edit if improvement is needed." CreationDate="2021-02-02T20:57:24.577" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22144" PostId="6831" Score="0" Text="Coping with certain workplace interactions tends to be on-topic here and that doesn't change whether it's an internship, residency or &quot;regular&quot; job. Do be careful in making sure there's an answerable question and it's not a rant in disguise. Also keep in mind that if medical decision making becomes involved (i.e. managing limited resources, interpersonal disagreements that relate to patient care or ethical problems, ...) that could push it far enough out of our typical area that it could become off-topic." CreationDate="2021-02-02T21:39:08.087" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22145" PostId="6831" Score="0" Text="A potential test would be if you could swap the specific concepts with something more mundane without changing the core of the question. If you can swap ventilators for forklifts and night shift at a hospital to night shift in a warehouse with a skeleton crew without enough managers present and the question still makes sense then it's a workplace issue. If you can't without *drastically* changing potential answers we might [need doctors](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2267/25739) to answer it which could mean it's off-topic." CreationDate="2021-02-02T21:47:51.307" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22141" PostId="6832" Score="2" Text="Agreed, on topic." CreationDate="2021-02-02T20:25:59.000" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22308" PostId="6836" Score="0" Text="Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/120078/discussion-on-answer-by-mister-positive-why-was-a-hnq-deleted)." CreationDate="2021-02-23T13:20:10.557" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22162" PostId="6837" Score="1" Text="It is now just closed, so edit away, edit away." CreationDate="2021-02-16T18:45:36.390" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22163" PostId="6837" Score="0" Text="Edit what?  The OP lists several courses of action and asks about appropriateness of them. Not suggesting a course of action is not something this specific question can be accused of." CreationDate="2021-02-16T18:48:43.850" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22166" PostId="6837" Score="2" Text="@mxyzplk I am responding to the suggestion that I agree with after reflection that the question can be edited as suggested in the comments to my answer." CreationDate="2021-02-16T18:53:33.540" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22207" PostId="6837" Score="0" Text="@MisterPositive Done." CreationDate="2021-02-17T00:45:56.730" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22286" PostId="6838" Score="0" Text="Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/119952/discussion-on-question-by-mxyzplk-how-can-we-make-the-workplace-more-welcoming-t)." CreationDate="2021-02-19T18:09:41.167" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22183" PostId="6839" Score="3" Text="@user119079 While I assume you are referring to the broader SE network there, if you have had such an experience on The Workplace please reach out to the moderation team or the Community Team through the [contact page](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/contact) if they are part of a broader pattern that flags can't address or that you feel haven't been addressed correctly by the mods." CreationDate="2021-02-16T20:38:29.733" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22187" PostId="6839" Score="1" Text="@user119079 Well, SO is...... SO.  But TWP is full of good people.  You can get great advice from people who really care.  The mods here are great as well." CreationDate="2021-02-16T21:13:09.550" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22200" PostId="6839" Score="3" Text="Why do you think this question is &quot;harsh judgement?&quot;  I see a big ol comment argument that is largely spurred by you feeling like &quot;serious charges are being levied,&quot; and since you have your back up you are mashing the &quot;must stifle this discussion&quot; button real hard with downvotes/close votes/comments. But the question is &quot;how do we become more welcoming?&quot; Not &quot;the mods are evil and ignoring flags,&quot; not &quot;everyone here is a giant sexist and racist.&quot; You are projecting all that onto this. Which prevents any allowance for improvement." CreationDate="2021-02-16T23:02:36.660" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22201" PostId="6839" Score="2" Text="Furthermore, this is how everyone who shows up with a question like this on this stack is treated,  You want us to not &quot;white knight&quot; for them and let them fend for themselves.  Well, that's not working out well and those folks are being driven away once their initial question about whatever they're experiencing gets this exact kind of treatment - downvote, close vote, delete vote, shriek in comments, tell them they're wrong in answers.  You are showing a great example of the problematic behavior we need to ramp back on, where the perceived need for &quot;defense&quot; rapidly outweighs the problem." CreationDate="2021-02-16T23:05:25.850" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22203" PostId="6839" Score="5" Text="@mxyzplk as the leader of the &quot;disabled persons community&quot; here, I find your comments ableist, and problematic.  As is your othering by calling us &quot;them&quot;.  Referring to people as &quot;THEM&quot; proves my point.  You don't consider us part of your &quot;WE&quot;.  You've isolated people who are different from you and are calling those people &quot;Them&quot;, and at the same time you think you are doing a good thing." CreationDate="2021-02-16T23:24:02.153" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22204" PostId="6839" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk Who has been driven off?  Certainly not me, and as leader of the &quot;Disabled people's community&quot; here, I think I'm better suited to judge than you." CreationDate="2021-02-16T23:25:04.217" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22205" PostId="6839" Score="3" Text="@mxyzplk So, &quot;who is this &quot;everyone who shows up with a question like this on this&quot;.  I've shown up to plenty and have been treated pretty damn well, well, except for certain white knights" CreationDate="2021-02-16T23:26:38.063" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22262" PostId="6839" Score="4" Text="@mxyzplk in the end, we are only people on a website that don't interact IRL. Being offended for &lt;community&gt; might be nice, but that isn't a solution to &quot;OP's problem&quot;. Tons of problems can get out of hand by hastly conclusion like &quot;he obviousl doesn' tlike me, because i'm &lt;community&gt;&quot;, no he might have an objective reason like your behaviour not being professional. So telling them that first, they shouldn't make hastly conclusion and second how they shoud handle that professionaly  is the best service we can give them here at the workplace." CreationDate="2021-02-18T09:45:12.533" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22323" PostId="6839" Score="2" Text="I'm not sure if there's some deleted comment you're referencing, but I'm unclear on why you keep referring to yourself as the &quot;leader of the disabled persons community&quot;. If that is a self-imposed title, I would remind you that you've been a member of this community for at least 5 years per your profile, you're familiar with the norms and understand the expectations. While &quot;white knighting&quot; can be harmful in excess, there's nothing wrong with shielding a new person from the worst of a place while they get their bearings via flags and kind comments." CreationDate="2021-02-25T14:29:53.770" UserId="86861" />
  <row Id="22324" PostId="6839" Score="2" Text="It probably took me about a year before I felt wholly comfortable on RPG.SE. I still don't feel very comfortable on TWP. Much of that comfort level on the former stemmed from learning the site controls and how to do things in general (i.e. how do I format things? what exactly is meta? what's that button do?). But TWP feels like it has such an attitude issue, which I find difficult to navigate and I don't typically enjoy engaging with it unless all else fails. Honestly, I would like a bit more white knighting here because the absence is abundant." CreationDate="2021-02-25T14:32:03.757" UserId="86861" />
  <row Id="22325" PostId="6839" Score="3" Text="@Pyrotechnical I was being more than a bit tongue in cheek, In my answer, I stated that we are individuals, not communities, and that we disagree.  Your disagreement proves that point, and your perspective is welcomed.  That said, I firmly agree with Quintus Horatius Flaccus who said: &quot;Help a man against his will and you do the same as murder him.&quot;.  The term &quot;white knighting&quot; reflects that condescending compassion of getting offended on behalf of someone who isn't offended themselves.  That's essentially saying that we're too stupid to understand when we're insulted." CreationDate="2021-02-25T14:50:09.493" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22326" PostId="6839" Score="0" Text="@Pyrotechnical as to my self appointment as leader, it was pointing out the absurd WITH the absurd.  Yes, I'm an old codger that's been around for a while, thus the name &quot;old lamplighter&quot;.  I'm no leader, and I certainly don't want any followers, I just don't want others to presume to speak for me." CreationDate="2021-02-25T15:07:19.507" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22344" PostId="6840" Score="0" Text="I think this is why there needs to be an answer, because the &quot;HR is not your friends&quot; is actually universally true (for some definition of HR), as they are always acting on behalf of the company. Even when ensuring compliance they are doing so to protect the company. Even if sometimes the intermediate goals are sometimes in alignment, the fundamental issue is the purpose of HR is to favour the interests of the company, not that of an employee." CreationDate="2021-02-28T16:30:02.940" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="22221" PostId="6841" Score="0" Text="I was the one who made the edit.  The post had been closed, and I deliberately changed the tone to make it on topic.  How someone feels isn't the best way to address the topic, and in this case was a strong reason why it was closed, and at one point, it had been deleted." CreationDate="2021-02-17T15:56:38.940" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22222" PostId="6841" Score="2" Text="I, along with others, asked the mods to remove the deleted status, and one of the mods un-deleted it, but left it closed and suggested I edited it, as I've managed to resurrect more than one post by doing so over the years.  I have provided a formal answer below, on what actions to take, but am commenting here to let you know a bit of background to this particualr post." CreationDate="2021-02-17T15:58:37.723" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22223" PostId="6841" Score="0" Text="related at MSE: [How can I flag an edit?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/114343/165773)" CreationDate="2021-02-17T16:32:06.853" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="22237" PostId="6841" Score="2" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I think you could take the question in two directions. One is the more general and neutral tone of your edit, the other is to keep the &quot;I felt uncomfortable&quot; as that cannot (well, should not) be contested and can also be addressed. Though that was already present in the original question and we saw that it lead to issues with the answers where some felt the need to contest how the OP should feel... You may wish to check the other meta threads about this questions on meta for this context @ matt." CreationDate="2021-02-17T21:01:19.703" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22242" PostId="6841" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal that was exactly why I removed that phrase as I felt it a distraction, and likely the reason it was closed in the first place.  I tried to keep with the original intent, which I think was the uncertainty on how to proceed from there.  As feelings are legitimate, they also distract.  If someone were to call me &quot;Rainman&quot; or ask me if I can count cards, my feelings would not change the course of action required.  Personally, I don't get offended but I would still warn the coworker that his actions reflect poor judgement, and then proceed from there.  Same if I was angry." CreationDate="2021-02-17T21:36:00.337" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22287" PostId="6841" Score="3" Text="I would argue the fact that the op felt uncomfortable and awkward is really the heart of the question, not whether or not the coworker's comments meet some legal criteria for harassment. Answers that focus on the appropriateness of op's feelings should be downvoted as invalidating someone's feelings is rarely a helpful solution." CreationDate="2021-02-19T19:11:11.207" UserId="73580" />
  <row Id="22297" PostId="6841" Score="0" Text="@AffableAmbler So, say someone decides to call me &quot;Rainman&quot;, joking about my autism.  What should my actions be if I'm angry vs what they should be if I am not?" CreationDate="2021-02-22T04:55:40.200" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22299" PostId="6841" Score="0" Text="r but isn't that at least partly guided by the fact that term does make at least some autistic people angry or prompts some feelings? If they called you &quot;Jim&quot; or &quot;Pal&quot; or &quot;Mate&quot; or something else that doesn't prompt any feeling in any autistic people, the way to deal with it (if at all) would be different?" CreationDate="2021-02-22T09:07:53.977" UserId="22086" />
  <row Id="22300" PostId="6841" Score="0" Text="@mattfreake I'm not sure I understand your point.   To make the analogy more clear, if someone steals 50 dollars from you, does it matter if you're angry or not, or is it theft, regardless?" CreationDate="2021-02-22T13:23:24.213" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22301" PostId="6841" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter my point is, why do we care about some words and not others? Ultimately it is because they have an effect on someone's feelings surely." CreationDate="2021-02-22T13:30:51.420" UserId="22086" />
  <row Id="22302" PostId="6841" Score="1" Text="@mattfreake The answer to that is out of scope of the workplace.  Now, in this case, I was faced with taking the part about the OP's feelings out, and getting the post reopened, or leaving it in, and leaving it closed and deleted.  Which is of more use to the OP?" CreationDate="2021-02-22T14:58:43.413" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22303" PostId="6841" Score="0" Text="@AffableAmbler should I undo my edit, and have the mods close and delete the post, as it was before I took any action?" CreationDate="2021-02-22T14:59:43.153" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22304" PostId="6841" Score="1" Text="Don't misunderstand me, i agree you did the right and helpful thing given the current rules on Workplace. I just think there's an inconsistency there that in Workplace's rules about feelings. But that's a bigger discussion than can fit in the comments " CreationDate="2021-02-22T15:22:48.870" UserId="22086" />
  <row Id="22305" PostId="6841" Score="1" Text="@mattfreake no argument there. Personally, I'm very pragmatic in my approach.  I understand that others are of differing opinions.  That's fine.  That's why Meta exists, and why we can edit." CreationDate="2021-02-22T15:50:02.080" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22227" PostId="6842" Score="1" Text="Thanks that makes sense." CreationDate="2021-02-17T18:19:33.330" UserId="22086" />
  <row Id="22346" PostId="6842" Score="1" Text="One can also roll-back an edit if you consider it's not good or the previous version was best... that requires I believe 2k rep privileges" CreationDate="2021-03-01T17:18:04.150" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22234" PostId="6843" Score="2" Text="This stack is fairly decent at addressing issues swiftly." CreationDate="2021-02-17T20:54:51.557" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22238" PostId="6843" Score="4" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I don't really see a problem with the friendliness of the community - I'm just answering the question as it was asked without quibbling about whether there really is an issue or not. If some folks think there is an issue, then there's probably some reason for that and we can always do better." CreationDate="2021-02-17T21:05:33.773" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22243" PostId="6843" Score="0" Text="That's why I upvoted your answer." CreationDate="2021-02-17T21:37:19.807" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22245" PostId="6843" Score="0" Text="Just curious, why isn't it whether or not it's an issue germane to the point?" CreationDate="2021-02-17T21:51:22.110" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22246" PostId="6843" Score="4" Text="@Old_Lamplighter Because I believe people when they say they feel like something is an issue. Nothing I  recommended as a solution would have a negative effect if there isn't a problem and if there is a problem, it might help, so it's not constructive (and probably harmful) to argue about the problem's existence." CreationDate="2021-02-17T21:55:01.610" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22248" PostId="6843" Score="3" Text="Having been personally affected by bad policies, I disagree.  If something is not a problem, trying to fix it is quite harmful.  I'm reminded of the monkey who rescued the fish from drowning by putting them safely in the tree.  I've been the fish on more than one circumstance, so you can be sure I will say that I see no threat of drowning." CreationDate="2021-02-17T22:15:33.947" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22249" PostId="6843" Score="2" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I don't think anything I recommended in this situation is &quot;new policy&quot; - if it were otherwise, the severity of the issue would definitely be more of a factor." CreationDate="2021-02-17T22:17:48.367" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22260" PostId="6843" Score="0" Text="Saying roughly &quot;this is what they probably meant and you're wrong to be offended by that&quot; is far from just a &quot;'bad' assumption&quot;. Yes, we probably shouldn't be assuming the intent of others who we've never met in a situation we weren't even in, but that's not the primary issue with it. The problem is with trying to explain what happened to the asker and telling them how they should be feeling, which is quite condescending and dismissive." CreationDate="2021-02-18T08:52:20.580" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="22261" PostId="6843" Score="0" Text="Everyone should feel like they can express themselves in &quot;a sincere, civil, and constructive way&quot;, but if the way someone's expressing themselves is offending others, then I have to wonder how civil and constructive that really is. If they've been informed they may be offending others and haven't corrected course, then I'd argue it's not particularly sincere either. Everyone should feel like they can express themselves without having others talk down to them and dismiss what they're saying." CreationDate="2021-02-18T08:56:15.370" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="22263" PostId="6843" Score="2" Text="@NotThatGuy If something is offensive, flag it. I didn’t say everyone should feel free to say anything that crosses their mind. If someone is sincere and feels that what they have to say is constructive, they shouldn’t be worried that if they accidentally offend someone they’ll end up at the bottom of a dog pile. Even if someone is trolling, jumping on them exacerbates the situation instead of helping. Let the moderators handle it. If an answer is off-base, downvote it, constructively explain the problem, then disengage. Bickering in comments doesn’t create a welcoming environment." CreationDate="2021-02-18T12:03:55.457" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22265" PostId="6843" Score="0" Text="@NotThatGuy You are aware of the &quot;Assume good intentions&quot; rule, right?" CreationDate="2021-02-18T13:01:22.043" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22267" PostId="6843" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter Unfortunately, assume good intentions is [not in the CoC any longer](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/335026/273494)." CreationDate="2021-02-18T13:22:12.803" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22269" PostId="6843" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV and all of this nonsense started right after they removed that.  Because of that, I have deleted every last account I've had at SE.  The mods and community at TWP have held the line, which is why I am still here.  If that changes, this account is going bye bye as well.  The rest of SE has turned into a vicious, nasty place, IMO, and I don't visit it any longer.  There are plenty of help sites out there which are more concerned with helping people." CreationDate="2021-02-18T13:31:00.070" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22278" PostId="6843" Score="2" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I cut my online teeth in the alt.* hierarchy over a 2400 baud modem (yes I'm ancient) and I thought that prepared me to handle just about anything the internet could throw at me. I was wrong." CreationDate="2021-02-18T16:54:54.177" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22283" PostId="6843" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV Yeah, my first external storage device was a cassette tape drive.  I've done battle in the usenet, used to telnet into everything, used archie, et cet.  Dialed up into BBSs.  A friend of mine ran one, and after he banned 2400 baud modems, someone snuck in using a 200 baud." CreationDate="2021-02-18T18:37:24.700" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22284" PostId="6843" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV back in the day, if someone was being obnoxious, someone would call a P.I.S.S. on someone (Passive Ignore Simultaneous Strike).  We rarely involved the mods, and we could all stand up for ourselves.  Would love to see a return to that." CreationDate="2021-02-18T18:39:31.807" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22253" PostId="6844" Score="1" Text="It's not my DV, because I think you make good points about cures that are worse than the disease and the foolishness of trying to shove all marginalized people together and &quot;fix&quot; their issues with one solution. I ignored the &quot;marginalized groups&quot; in the title intentionally when I was writing my answer. There are some things we can't make better by &quot;doing something&quot;, but we can always be a little friendlier and a little more welcoming toward everyone. The worse that will happen is that we will be nice to an asshole before they reveal themselves. We still come out ahead IMO." CreationDate="2021-02-17T22:31:29.570" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22257" PostId="6844" Score="2" Text="@ColleenV I like your answer.  I'm old school and firmly believe in PDFTT.  If you assume good intentions by those who post, you will, as you said, at worst be nice to an asshole before they reveal themselves.  At best, you'll end up giving the benefit of the doubt to someone who could just be awkward, or not speak English as their first language." CreationDate="2021-02-18T01:08:13.797" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22294" PostId="6845" Score="0" Text="@user119079 someone else shares the same observation, but it didn't look it made much of an impact with the moderator, so why should I post the same comment? https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6835/why-was-a-hnq-deleted#comment22167_6836.  IMO it's better to include it in an answer, so visitors  and users alike have a better understanding as to why the OP accepted an answer that apparently doesn't explain &quot;why&quot;." CreationDate="2021-02-21T17:30:35.140" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22320" PostId="6846" Score="0" Text="Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/120135/discussion-on-answer-by-nvoigt-how-can-we-make-the-workplace-more-welcoming-to-p)." CreationDate="2021-02-24T17:17:22.913" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22319" PostId="6848" Score="12" Text="But why??  Oh, you said so.  Fair enough - it's a time consuming and mostly thankless task.  Thanks for everything you've done for the community - you held the reins when no one else did..." CreationDate="2021-02-24T17:08:34.310" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22321" PostId="6848" Score="5" Text="Many thanks to you and your dolphin brethren." CreationDate="2021-02-25T07:11:33.677" UserId="49382" />
  <row Id="22333" PostId="6848" Score="5" Text="I always feel awkward upvoting resignation posts - my upvote simply means &quot;Your absence will be noticed/you'll be missed.&quot; I hope the time you reclaim by retiring from mod duties will be filled with fun or at least free of drama :)" CreationDate="2021-02-25T22:04:34.680" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22335" PostId="6848" Score="2" Text="What was the personal benefit that you initially received, and which you no longer see?" CreationDate="2021-02-26T12:08:15.223" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22336" PostId="6848" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere That is a fair question good sir, that I am going to pass on answering.  ;-}" CreationDate="2021-02-26T13:00:48.410" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22338" PostId="6848" Score="2" Text="@Neo I have to congratulate you on a brilliant answer to that query" CreationDate="2021-02-26T21:40:56.673" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22339" PostId="6848" Score="2" Text="Thank you for everything Neo! It'll be a shame to lose you but your reason for moving on is a perfectly understandable one. If this starts feeling like a chore then it makes sense to pull back. Hope we'll continue to see you on the site of course!" CreationDate="2021-02-27T13:50:14.670" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22348" PostId="6848" Score="2" Text="Can I make a poor reference? I guess now you can free your mind." CreationDate="2021-03-04T14:09:35.190" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="22349" PostId="6848" Score="1" Text="@Clockwork Genius." CreationDate="2021-03-04T14:14:59.633" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22322" PostId="6851" Score="1" Text="Thanks, I won't get involved, so long as it's not my fault I don't much care what they do." CreationDate="2021-02-25T12:32:53.910" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22329" PostId="6851" Score="1" Text="They have long ago declared that they see themselves as benevolent dictators, so I won't get involved either." CreationDate="2021-02-25T16:01:06.260" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22327" PostId="6852" Score="2" Text="Thanks for saying that.  I am hopeful you get a couple new motivated moderators soon." CreationDate="2021-02-25T15:58:11.397" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22328" PostId="6852" Score="2" Text="@Neo I mean it.  I know that I, for one, can be a handful.  So, if a jerk like me thinks you did a good job, it's high praise indeed ;)" CreationDate="2021-02-25T15:59:17.317" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22331" PostId="6852" Score="1" Text="@Neo I didn’t get an epithet of this standard, so that must be a mark of how highly you’re regarded." CreationDate="2021-02-25T21:42:02.390" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22332" PostId="6852" Score="0" Text="@Snow I was a jerk to you too.  Sorry for the belated comment.  ;)" CreationDate="2021-02-25T21:44:19.793" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22334" PostId="6852" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter Nope, you're cool - you held us to a higher standard than we held ourselves.  You also have made a huge contribution to this community and the people who have asked for advice." CreationDate="2021-02-26T07:25:39.660" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22343" PostId="6852" Score="0" Text="@Snow I don't even remember you resigning, if I didn't mention it then, I'll thank you now. I recall that you returned to hold the fort when everyone was running for the door a while back. Cheers." CreationDate="2021-02-28T05:00:03.483" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22330" PostId="6854" Score="1" Text="Makes sense, thanks, I will update the question" CreationDate="2021-02-25T18:10:36.907" UserId="25229" />
  <row Id="22341" PostId="6854" Score="0" Text="That change of title is so trivial to the actual intent of the question, it's hard for me to believe that it should make a difference between meeting the guidelines or not. If anything the title needs a bit more clarification about what is being asked." CreationDate="2021-02-27T17:44:19.493" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="22342" PostId="6854" Score="1" Text="@teego1967 You ask about a specific business, it will get closed as OT.  That's in the rules, and there are people here who will close at the drop of a hat.  He asked this question on Meta, and I answered.  I see no need to overcomplicate things.  The important thing is his question stays open, and he gets decent answers.  Some of us here are more interested in helping than in either closing for nonsensical reasons or nit-picking over minor details." CreationDate="2021-02-27T18:35:50.270" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22418" PostId="6854" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter, closing the question because the title mentioned &quot;Amazon&quot; and then re-opening it after removing &quot;Amazon&quot; is, by any reasonable measure, nitpicking. Amazon has over half a million employees (not counting even more contractors). That's more than the total than are in many industries. Moreover, Amazon is currently a central figure in labor and worker-rights concerns that span the globe. Having &quot;Amazon&quot; as a part of the question is decidedly NOT too specific." CreationDate="2021-03-16T11:41:31.050" UserId="7572" />
  <row Id="22419" PostId="6854" Score="0" Text="@teego1967 I don't make the rules." CreationDate="2021-03-16T11:53:04.260" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22337" PostId="6855" Score="4" Text="This might be a good time for you to consider running as Moderator ;-}" CreationDate="2021-02-26T13:01:34.680" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22340" PostId="6857" Score="1" Text="Thanks - after (I had to check :)) 10 years and ~70k rep on SE I am aware of the gamification/ego aspect but I am not interested at all in that. I like SE and the help it brings. I used to have a ~1M reddit account which I simply deleted one evening because I realized that I was discussing about really important things with a 12 yo who knew it all. I do not even know how long I am on Hacker News (no idea about my rep there) so that part is clear :)  It is rather the second close request which made me wonder about what SE Workspace is for (I had doubts about posting my question here as well)" CreationDate="2021-02-27T15:27:03.883" UserId="25229" />
  <row Id="22350" PostId="6858" Score="4" Text="I do want to take the opportunity to thank you again, Neo, for all the time and energy you've put in over the years and for your offer to stick around until after the election. I hope our new moderators will live up to your example. :)" CreationDate="2021-03-04T18:34:15.943" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22351" PostId="6858" Score="3" Text="Thanks for everything @Neo, specially for always being supportive and patient. Godspeed wherever you go Sir :)" CreationDate="2021-03-04T19:54:30.990" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22355" PostId="6858" Score="5" Text="I nominate Neo for the job" CreationDate="2021-03-05T14:47:38.893" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22356" PostId="6858" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Bwah ha ha ha...maybe I will once again down the line...like years down the line." CreationDate="2021-03-05T15:50:40.890" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22357" PostId="6858" Score="1" Text="I second the nomination of Neo" CreationDate="2021-03-08T19:12:17.930" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22359" PostId="6860" Score="0" Text="Hi JNat, in the recent election at Electrical Engineering SE, a lot of people found that these short time-windows lead to a low turnout in the number of people nominating themselves. For example, if a person is not available in the week during which the nomination period takes place, then they can't nominate themselves. I understand that it may be in the CM team's interest to get these over with as fast as possible to minimize the amount of work you have to do, but could the nomination and question collection period not be extended to 2 weeks each instead of just one week each? It's important." CreationDate="2021-03-09T02:55:37.950" UserId="97330" />
  <row Id="22360" PostId="6860" Score="0" Text="By the way, it seems that [you have the critic badge](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/badges/7/critic?userid=33683) despite not having the minimum 125 rep to downvote. I suppose that as a CM you can downvote without 125 rep? I thought maybe you'd written a post at some point and earned enough rep, then deleted it, but you don't have the corresponding badges. Please don't take this as an attack, I'm just curious to learn how the system works. Is there a Meta.SE post about this? I searched and couldn't find it (don't even know what I could search to find it)." CreationDate="2021-03-09T03:03:53.600" UserId="97330" />
  <row Id="22361" PostId="6860" Score="2" Text="Please refer to the [**announcement post** here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6858/2021-moderator-election-will-start-on-monday-march-8) for some info on how we arrived at the need for 2 slots in this election and advice to any would-be candidates." CreationDate="2021-03-09T07:46:28.543" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22362" PostId="6860" Score="4" Text="The periods for q-collection, nominations, and voting are all the default length for all sites across the network, @user1271772 — if there are not enough nominations at the end of the nomination week, we'll extend that period for one more week (again, as is the default on any other site)." CreationDate="2021-03-09T12:44:12.220" UserId="33683" />
  <row Id="22373" PostId="6860" Score="2" Text="Chatroom created here - [2021 Workplace Moderation Election Chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/120709/2021-the-workplace-moderator-election-chat).  Please post any questions and election-related flimflam there." CreationDate="2021-03-10T15:36:40.400" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22375" PostId="6860" Score="0" Text="@Snow FYI I believe JNat usually creates a chatroom when the nominations start as that's the &quot;official&quot; start of the election. Don't know if it's a special type, if not I guess you saved him some work. :)" CreationDate="2021-03-11T20:24:10.637" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22378" PostId="6860" Score="0" Text="I’m just that kinda guy!" CreationDate="2021-03-11T20:49:30.450" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22387" PostId="6861" Score="0" Text="Split off the first sample question to [this](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6868/25739), though it's rephrased/expanded there." CreationDate="2021-03-13T22:20:25.723" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22371" PostId="6862" Score="0" Text="Yes, very important. The problems/challenges we face change from time to time, so it's good to consider and have a notion on the current state of things on TWP." CreationDate="2021-03-10T01:44:28.693" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22368" PostId="6863" Score="4" Text="Just want to point out that this is more relevant that some might think." CreationDate="2021-03-09T15:06:36.370" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22393" PostId="6866" Score="2" Text="Isn't this sort of asking &quot;Will you do your job?&quot;" CreationDate="2021-03-14T11:46:46.103" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22406" PostId="6866" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Removal from HNQ isn't really a core part of the job and guidelines on use of this feature are vague at best. I use the option very often, perhaps more than some might prefer. It's a question I would ask the new mods when they join mainly to get a sense of their take and whether our current approach needs review. I admit I'm not sure if people would find an answer to this useful when evaluating a candidate. HNQ can be a divisive topic. :)" CreationDate="2021-03-14T19:44:54.500" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22385" PostId="6867" Score="1" Text="Stolen from [previous questionnaires](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6541/25739)" CreationDate="2021-03-13T22:16:49.380" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22386" PostId="6868" Score="1" Text="Stolen from [previous questionnaire](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6545/25739) and an expanded take on one of the default questions." CreationDate="2021-03-13T22:19:56.673" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23060" PostId="6872" Score="0" Text="I just realised that you have deleted your account. I don't know when it happened. But I appreciated your positive thinking and your level-headed outlook. Take care." CreationDate="2021-11-06T21:12:39.583" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22452" PostId="6873" Score="0" Text="I am an equal opportunity annoyance, and ask all the candidates the same question I asked Snow earlier: I am interested to know what your thoughts are about the recent meta question [How can we make the Workplace more welcoming to people in marginalized groups?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6838/26699). Is there an issue? How severe do you think it is? What do you think we should do about it (if anything)?" CreationDate="2021-03-18T20:34:05.123" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22456" PostId="6873" Score="1" Text="My first thought was that we should have a more 'inclusive' group of moderators to help create the diversity and inclusivity from the top. But given the ratio of moderators to community members it is not an easy thing to do. However, there is a moderator council and more training and process in place these days on Stack Exchange community sites and the activity on this particular question in meta, I feel like things are moving in the right direction. Therefore, as a moderator I will continue to make sure that we keep the community on this course." CreationDate="2021-03-18T23:01:53.227" UserId="8197" />
  <row Id="22433" PostId="6874" Score="5" Text="These answers are exactly what I expect.  No nonsense but fair, as a moderator should be.  You have been around longer than I have and were a big help getting me started.  Thanks for that." CreationDate="2021-03-17T16:15:52.410" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22436" PostId="6874" Score="5" Text="&quot;how we currently handle them&quot; - how is that? You mention talking to others a few times. What would you say? What would you do if they don't respond in the way you'd like? You say you don't know how you'll be more effective as a mod, and your answers give the impression that you don't have a great idea of what mods do. Why do you want to be one? Can you convince us that you would actually enjoy the day-to-day responsibilities of a mod? I ask to get a better idea of what you'll be like as a mod, although the terseness of these answers, and your posts, already gives some idea of that." CreationDate="2021-03-17T18:23:20.730" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22444" PostId="6874" Score="1" Text="@BernhardBarker &quot;your answers give the impression that you don't have a great idea of what mods do&quot;.  That's unnecessarily rude, and hostile.  That's not a question, it's an accusation" CreationDate="2021-03-18T17:22:13.890" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22445" PostId="6874" Score="9" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I didn't read it as being hostile. It's just stating their reaction to the terseness of the answers. It is constructive to say &quot;the way you've written this gives me this impression&quot;. If that impression is mistaken, then the author can take steps to correct it if they care to." CreationDate="2021-03-18T18:03:05.670" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22446" PostId="6874" Score="4" Text="@Old_Lamplighter It's an assumption based on what I've read that felt like necessary context to make the two questions I asked after that make sense. Reading between the lines, it could also be interpreted as an invitation for them to review their answers to avoid people getting that impression (if they feel it's an inaccurate impression). I did try to walk the line of being honest and constructive (and perhaps a little blunt) without being rude, but whether I actually did a good job of that is probably for others to judge." CreationDate="2021-03-18T18:11:45.803" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22448" PostId="6874" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Pretty much, yes, thanks." CreationDate="2021-03-18T18:57:16.513" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22453" PostId="6874" Score="3" Text="I am an equal opportunity annoyance, and ask all the candidates the same question I asked Snow earlier: I am interested to know what your thoughts are about the recent meta question [How can we make the Workplace more welcoming to people in marginalized groups?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6838/26699). Is there an issue? How severe do you think it is? What do you think we should do about it (if anything)? Kilisi, I know you've already answered the linked question, but if you do become a moderator and have more influence, does that change your answer in any way?" CreationDate="2021-03-18T20:36:03.893" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22461" PostId="6874" Score="2" Text="You previously were in favour of [fixed terms for moderators](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6047/fixed-terms-for-mods), do you still feel the same?" CreationDate="2021-03-19T11:18:35.117" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22464" PostId="6874" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi Clear, thanks for clarifying your stance! Do note that generally a moderator won't be stood down unless there are very severe issues of the sort that would likely prevent them from ever running for the position again. Resignation is a different matter of course. (General note: even when moderators go on extended hiatus they are not normally asked to relinquish the diamond but instead just mark themselves as inactive. The long-term inactivity policy was recently sharpened up though: [What is the process regarding moderator inactivity removals?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/338006))" CreationDate="2021-03-19T11:32:45.063" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22468" PostId="6874" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Indeed, sorry, I know you're aware, that's really just for the benefit of anyone else reading this later. Personally I would probably dodge the question by saying that absent a way to measure performance it's hard to do anything different here. The position isn't so much for life as it is for the duration that a moderator remains active. I suppose I'd answer that I believe the current systems and controls we have are sufficient." CreationDate="2021-03-19T12:58:33.723" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22494" PostId="6874" Score="0" Text="(q.1) How does any SE site remove trolls? Don't trolls need to be first suspended by mods? From your answers it seems clear that you  don't consider the role, the tools, the &quot;power&quot; and duties of a mod to have any significant weight. If the site can take care of itself, and you believe  &quot;talking&quot; to a potential troublemaker (q.3) is suffice to resolve problematic behaviour, you're not the right person to hold this position." CreationDate="2021-03-22T12:24:52.227" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22501" PostId="6874" Score="0" Text="q1 and q3 refer to the order of questions you answered. I missed out q2 because in your opinion there isn't a single large or imminent  problem/challenge that is facing TWP, and I think you are probably right about that." CreationDate="2021-03-22T12:36:40.683" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22506" PostId="6874" Score="4" Text="I don't vote on candidate questionnaires, but I want to let you know I appreciate your latest round of updates." CreationDate="2021-03-22T13:23:40.960" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22515" PostId="6874" Score="1" Text="Kilsi, if I remember, you are from a nation in the Asian Pacific Islands. On occasions there have been questions touching upon race / affirmative action / perceived discrimination. Generally these attract not always positive attention and can lead to bickering. I liked your tone to answers on these: following process, assuming good faith, and keeping a cool head. As a moderator, would your background influence how you would moderate these questions?" CreationDate="2021-03-22T21:04:12.100" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="22521" PostId="6874" Score="2" Text="I've read a lot of your posts and have come to know you as a very no-nonsense user indeed. While I find your take (and tone) on some of the subjects very refreshing, I remember others taking offence at the bluntness at times. I also know a lot of highly active users tend to become more careful with what and how they post the moment they get elected. Will becoming a moderator affect your posting activity in any such way?" CreationDate="2021-03-23T18:43:47.897" UserId="26901" />
  <row Id="22423" PostId="6875" Score="0" Text="Please note that I do not seek to *discuss* the policy behind this, as discussing it is forbidden speech, too (you can if you want to challenge the people with ban privileges, I won't). Your answer can be as short as &quot;Yes, I would, I stand by the CoC and this interpretation of it&quot;." CreationDate="2021-03-17T11:46:10.507" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22424" PostId="6875" Score="10" Text="Without any supporting context, your quote above has nothing to be worried about, apart from being slightly over-wordy.  It's kind of expected that we should communicate in a clear manner so that all users, irrespective of language abilities can understand what we're talking about." CreationDate="2021-03-17T11:49:15.013" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22426" PostId="6875" Score="2" Text="*So my question is, if I had posted the following not as a quote but as my actual, current opinion, would you suspend me?* No. But I suspect that was *not* the reason for the suspension, it was probably due to *Monica fatigue* and wanting to change the narrative." CreationDate="2021-03-17T12:05:09.160" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22427" PostId="6875" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt You definitely should run!" CreationDate="2021-03-17T13:25:27.277" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22428" PostId="6875" Score="2" Text="@Neo system blocks this, and I complained against such blocks over 5 years ago, see [Let's disallow moderator nominations from people who've been suspended in the past year](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/274131/165773)" CreationDate="2021-03-17T14:00:24.217" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="22429" PostId="6875" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt if this is true, the system blocks this, then you may wanna contact the CM team to see about an exception." CreationDate="2021-03-17T14:41:08.220" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22430" PostId="6875" Score="5" Text="@Neo It does. But I'm not interested in going to the people that suspended me in the first place to beg for a favor. To me, that would only make sense if I did something wrong and regret it." CreationDate="2021-03-17T15:08:58.800" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22431" PostId="6875" Score="4" Text="There was a lot of discussion during &quot;the situation&quot; that would seem to be completely innocuous, but that would be cause for concern when looked at in context. Instead of asking &quot;Don't you think it was unfair that I was suspended for this quote?&quot; it would be better (IMO) to ask more directly about the real issue: Where do you draw the line so that innocent people aren't caught in the crossfire when some people are abusing &quot;presume good faith&quot; to post inflammatory things? Handling that sort of trolling is notoriously difficult." CreationDate="2021-03-17T15:57:33.993" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22432" PostId="6875" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV Excellent point.....btw I think you should run too..." CreationDate="2021-03-17T16:10:23.947" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22435" PostId="6875" Score="1" Text="@Neo I've done my time and I'm just an upstanding community member now :) But thank you for the vote of confidence." CreationDate="2021-03-17T16:41:23.867" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22440" PostId="6875" Score="0" Text="What is the difference between &quot;a quote&quot; and &quot;[your] actual current opinion&quot;? If you said the words surely they should be the same (I assume the quote wasn't originally someone else's)?" CreationDate="2021-03-18T14:09:06.037" UserId="45825" />
  <row Id="22441" PostId="6875" Score="4" Text="If you were eligible, I'd vote for you, despite the fact that we've bumped heads MANY times in the past, I respect you.  I've been suspended numerous times myself for various reasons.  If you cannot say what you mean, you cannot mean what you say" CreationDate="2021-03-18T15:46:46.400" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22458" PostId="6875" Score="7" Text="Outside of any context, I'm willing to bet no-one will ban you for that quote, which makes the question somewhat meaningless and, if I'm being honest, it also makes me suspicious of your intentions with posting this. Even within context, I very much doubt someone would be banned for that quote alone, except in very rare circumstances where there's already been multiple requests for people to stop dragging out the discussion further. I expect the comment was more just the final straw in a range of your comments that either crosses the line by themselves or are simply intended to antagonise." CreationDate="2021-03-19T09:37:25.310" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22459" PostId="6875" Score="5" Text="@BernhardBarker The important part here &quot;standard English as taught in schools today&quot;. Doing that is against the current CoC. You are required to speak/write non-standard English upon request, the non-standard part being freely choosable by your communication-partner. I do not want to discuss this and I hope I found neutral words to describe it. I just want to find out if the new moderator would suspend people that decide standard English is our compromise for communication or not." CreationDate="2021-03-19T09:38:37.437" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22460" PostId="6875" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt Again, that comment is not in any way ban-worthy outside of context (and also not even within the context of the current CoC). I very much doubt anyone would care if you, for example, post that on your user profile without doing anything else. So I don't see a reason to ask potential moderators about it. If, however, you, for example, write a series of Meta posts where you insist that the CoC is wrong or how you refuse to follow it, or you actually just repeatedly or egregiously violate the CoC, that is a very different issue from just one comment in isolation that has some subtext" CreationDate="2021-03-19T10:07:00.657" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22469" PostId="6875" Score="9" Text="... To be clear, this quote (as far as I can tell) had nothing to do with your suspension - I can see that you may have vastly edited the quote that did lead to you being suspended to get to this version but this exact text is not what you wrote and the suspension was less related to the specific text and more to your actions in response to its removal. I'm more than happy to discuss the suspension privately if you wish." CreationDate="2021-03-19T13:50:14.643" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="22470" PostId="6875" Score="1" Text="@Catija Saying you *removed* something from my post with moderator powers, but my suspension was *not* because of what you *removed*, but because of the fact that I did not *like it being removed* is hypocritical. If what you removed was not against the CoC to begin with, you should not have removed it and everything that followed had no basis whatsoever and would be called harassment and abuse of power under normal circumstances. Or it *was* indeed wrong and against the CoC and it was all fine policing. Either I did something wrong in the part you removed, or not. Which one is it?" CreationDate="2021-03-19T14:26:53.353" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22471" PostId="6875" Score="6" Text="It doesn't take moderator powers to edit something out of a post. Anyone could have removed it - but this isn't the place to discuss that, unless you would like me to explain the entire situation publicly, here on an unrelated site. And, I'd also ask you to re-read my statement. I specifically said that the actual quote did lead to your suspension but that this watered-down version is not what you wrote." CreationDate="2021-03-19T14:29:44.503" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="22472" PostId="6875" Score="1" Text="Now you are kidding, right? &quot;Anybody&quot;? You aren't even responsible anymore for your own actions? You know that SE has an [edit history](https://meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/355081/5) (probably needs 10k to see, since it was deleted by mods) so we can see if it was just a random &quot;anybody&quot; or maybe exactly you with a diamond?" CreationDate="2021-03-19T14:32:34.353" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22473" PostId="6875" Score="8" Text="You're accusing me of abusing moderator powers to edit your post. I edited your post a single time with an ability that anyone with 2k reputation on the site could have done - that's... in no way an abuse of moderator powers. I also ceased to have any involvement in the situation after that - the suspension and all of the mod messages you were sent were not sent by me - though I understand you wouldn't have known that. Other than editing your answer, I did nothing and did not abuse any powers as a mod or staff member." CreationDate="2021-03-19T14:34:39.063" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="22474" PostId="6875" Score="1" Text="So... editing it back would have been fine, after a diamond mod edited it with the remark that it is offensive an alienating? Personally, I would have found it more obvious to be banned for editing it back *in*." CreationDate="2021-03-19T14:36:59.060" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22475" PostId="6875" Score="2" Text="Anyway, you said your part, I said mine, the fact remains that I am not allowed to speak my mind or even use standard English because of rules you enforce. I have to obey or be banished. Not the leadership I expect from people carrying a diamond, and *exactly* what I want to know from the candidates here before I cast a vote. As I said, I am fine with not discussing it, if a potential mod writes a Yes/No answer, I'm good and have a better picture who to vote for." CreationDate="2021-03-19T14:40:25.663" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22476" PostId="6875" Score="2" Text="And as far as &quot;oh, I did it as a normal user&quot; goes, maybe read question #7 of the mod questions." CreationDate="2021-03-19T14:44:15.030" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22477" PostId="6875" Score="2" Text="I have voted to reopen this question, since nobody asked any questions to clarify in comments. If something is unclear... just ask?" CreationDate="2021-03-19T18:31:11.993" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22478" PostId="6875" Score="5" Text="I explained why I closed it in [my answer](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/6879/33683) ;)" CreationDate="2021-03-19T18:32:01.037" UserId="33683" />
  <row Id="22488" PostId="6875" Score="5" Text="I’m voting to close this question because it is about re-litigating a beef from some other stack." CreationDate="2021-03-20T23:36:58.517" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22489" PostId="6875" Score="3" Text="@mxyzplk Please note that I did not bring that &quot;beef&quot; up. I said very clearly I do not need to discuss this, all I want is a yes or no answer that can easily been given on the quote, regardless of source. That is my very first comment here, before non-elected moderators showed up and made it into a beef. This is not about another site, but about the moderators and the rules of this site. You may notice that not a single potential moderator came here and did that. Said, &quot;Yes, that's against the CoC and I will be bound by it to take action on your account&quot;. Such an easy answer to give, no?" CreationDate="2021-03-21T10:06:37.013" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22491" PostId="6875" Score="2" Text="This seems to be more about the rules as written rather than how a specific mod will act. Mods are required to enforce the site policies. If something violates the site policies, it is their responsibility to do something about that (up to and including issuing a suspension). If it doesn't violate the site policies, they should not issue a suspension. Which is to say we should expect every potential and active mod to give roughly the same answer. 1/2" CreationDate="2021-03-22T10:54:08.950" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22492" PostId="6875" Score="2" Text="Mods may answer a bit differently due to differences in opinion and interpretation (and of course context), but one would expect mods to try to resolve such differences to minimise the difference between how 2 mods will handle the same situation. And of course mods are probably also given more detailed instruction about the rules and enforcement once elected, so their current thoughts on what violates the rules may not be particularly useful. Unless it's more a question of their personal feelings regardless of what they'd actually do, in which case I'd simply disapprove rather than object. 2/2" CreationDate="2021-03-22T10:54:12.880" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22493" PostId="6875" Score="3" Text="I think this question should be stated more explicitly, but I now understand why you might be reluctant to do so. I don’t think yes or no questions are particularly useful when trying to figure out where a candidate stands, although maybe it says something that only Kilisi was fearless enough to try to tackle it. :) I would vote to close this if it wasn’t election related. I think that we should be more forgiving of questions trying to understand what sort of moderator a  candidate would be as long as the question doesn’t violate the CoC. Candidates are free to ignore the question." CreationDate="2021-03-22T12:12:57.160" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22504" PostId="6875" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV I think there should be some restrictions on what we're allowed to ask candidates. For example, asking them about their personal life, family or health or whatever (beyond indirect questions like &quot;how much time can you spend on moderation&quot;) would be quite inappropriate in my opinion. Whether the objections raised here is sufficient reason to disallow the question is of course up for debate. Closing or deleting a disallowed question seems appropriate. That said, such closure can be a constructive sign about what's (not) allowed." CreationDate="2021-03-22T12:55:22.407" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22505" PostId="6875" Score="4" Text="@BernhardBarker If it doesn't violate the CoC the asking of it shouldn't be shut down. Inappropriate is different from offensive. Candidates aren't required to answer any particular question, and they can always ignore it. An answer of &quot;I'm not comfortable answering that question because it's too personal.&quot; would be a fine answer in my opinion. Moderators are going to have to handle tough situations and interact with people who are emotional about a situation, and I think protecting candidates from questions is counterproductive." CreationDate="2021-03-22T13:03:09.047" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22508" PostId="6875" Score="2" Text="@ColleenV I see closing this less as &quot;protecting candidates&quot; (even if that's a side effect) and more as focusing the narrative on what's actually relevant and appropriate, in the same way we would close random questions about programming on the main Workplace site, close random questions about space on Workplace Meta and delete pretty much anything anywhere asking anyone for personal details (or providing said details) outside the scope of what's necessary to answer a question." CreationDate="2021-03-22T14:13:14.523" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22509" PostId="6875" Score="5" Text="@BernhardBarker Respectfully, who are you to decide what is appropriate and relevant information for someone else to have in order to make their decision on how to cast their vote? Election questions aren't at all similar to questions asked on a main site. I have been a moderator, and this question isn't even close to the trickiest situation I had to deal with. It is very difficult to get a sense of how someone will make the judgement calls being a mod requires. Allowing some portion of the community to suppress a question that a candidate is free to ignore is not constructive." CreationDate="2021-03-22T14:27:22.837" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22510" PostId="6875" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV This isn't a public forum (in the legal sense) where anyone can freely say or ask (pretty much) whatever they want. If we want to restrict what people can ask potential moderators, that's well within our rights, just like it's well within our rights to restrict content elsewhere on the site. Who am I? I'm someone allowed to discuss what's appropriate on this site as well as judge it to a reasonable degree with up-, down-, close- and delete votes, just like you. Although it says something that a community manager closed this question." CreationDate="2021-03-22T15:17:36.077" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22511" PostId="6875" Score="3" Text="@BernhardBarker Just because you have the *right* to do something, doesn't mean it should be done. I disagree with your judgement of what is inappropriate. CMs are human and make mistakes, especially when someone is (unfairly IMO) questioning their fairness. &quot;I don't like this question&quot; is not a valid close reason. Suppressing questions during an election should be done with more care, and with sounder reasoning. What harm is done by allowing someone to ask candidates to **voluntarily** answer a question? I see a lot of harm in allowing a group to suppress a POV during an election." CreationDate="2021-03-22T16:26:49.297" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22512" PostId="6875" Score="2" Text="@ColleenV The reasons mentioned are a lot more complex than simply not liking the question and are probably closer to &quot;This doesn't appear to have much to do with a moderator's ability to moderate&quot; (which seems like a pretty reasonable objection to a question directed at potential moderators). On the surface it might seem to be about a moderator's ability to moderate, but the comments explain why it doesn't seem to really be about that. Allowing inappropriate questions opens the door to more inappropriate questions. I'm sure even public office election debates would block certain questions." CreationDate="2021-03-22T19:38:40.213" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22513" PostId="6875" Score="5" Text="@BernhardBarker &quot;It seems like it has nothing to do with a moderator's ability to moderate.&quot; in *your opinion*. There's no reason that candidates should be prevented from answering a question someone has asked because you don't think it's a good question. If a candidate doesn't think it's relevant or doesn't understand it, they don't have to answer it. &quot;Slippery slope&quot; is a logical fallacy. This question has been around for almost a week now, and I don't see a flood of inappropriate questions being asked of our candidates." CreationDate="2021-03-22T20:05:30.800" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22514" PostId="6875" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV &quot;in your opinion&quot; - yes, exactly, and there aren't really compelling counter-arguments here to change my mind. &quot;you don't think it's a good question&quot; - did I ever say &quot;good&quot;? I primarily referred to appropriateness and relevance, which aren't the same thing. But if you think it would be totally fine to ask candidates how many kids they have, to describe their own mental disorders (if any) or what they think of the Perseverance rover, then I suppose I can only agree to disagree (even if those questions are &quot;voluntary&quot;)." CreationDate="2021-03-22T21:03:06.880" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22516" PostId="6875" Score="5" Text="@BernhardBarker I think it's fine to ask almost any question of a person who is asking for my vote, so long as it does not violate the Code of Conduct. They can choose not to answer it, but I should be allowed to ask. I asked Snow a fairly personal question, and it turned out they were happy to answer it and I got information that helped my make my decision. If you had your way, I might not have been allowed to ask the question. Can't you see the problem with that? Whose cultural norms get applied to determine what is &quot;appropriate&quot;?" CreationDate="2021-03-22T21:14:56.820" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22519" PostId="6875" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV No rule is perfect, neither is not having a rule." CreationDate="2021-03-22T22:06:15.343" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="23492" PostId="6875" Score="1" Text="This reminds me why I won't run.  The CoC is not reasonable" CreationDate="2022-11-07T15:04:02.503" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22449" PostId="6877" Score="3" Text="Oy, where are all my ritual sacrifices? I feel like I've missed out! ;) Pagan rites aside, I'm glad to see your nomination here. :)" CreationDate="2021-03-18T20:03:32.297" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22481" PostId="6877" Score="0" Text="Thanks! When I asked &quot;how severe&quot; I was asking (to borrow your analogy) &quot;Do you think we live in a crime-ridden neighborhood where people are afraid of getting stabbed, or is our neighborhood pretty safe?&quot; If our neighborhood isn't safe, then we should probably prioritize doing something about that. If a portion of the community thinks we're crime-ridden and a different portion thinks we're pretty safe, well, that is probably something we should figure out." CreationDate="2021-03-19T18:35:46.253" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22573" PostId="6877" Score="1" Text="Greatly appreciate your answers here. Of particular note to me is your acknowledgement of the heavy IT background that many users have as well as your thoughtful answer to Colleen's excellent question. Hope to see you past the post shortly!" CreationDate="2021-03-29T14:06:46.860" UserId="86861" />
  <row Id="22479" PostId="6879" Score="3" Text="So let me get this straight, you *answered* the question at the same time as using your moderator powers to *close* it?" CreationDate="2021-03-19T18:33:26.210" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22480" PostId="6879" Score="4" Text="Er, you kinda made his point" CreationDate="2021-03-19T18:34:35.447" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22482" PostId="6879" Score="8" Text="@Old_Lamplighter It's not deleted. Any of the candidates could address this question in their questionnaires if they wanted to. As the question stands, it doesn't ask a question about how someone would moderate TWP. It asks candidates to second guess a CM's decision with a fraction of the context necessary to do that in a reasoned way. Not everyone standing as a candidate was eye-balls deep in the events surrounding the decision that prevents nvoigt from running." CreationDate="2021-03-19T21:04:25.423" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22483" PostId="6879" Score="3" Text="Indeed the said &quot;quote&quot; by the OP mislead me too, I had completely forgotten the original post (now deleted). The current post is candy coating what was actually *meant*." CreationDate="2021-03-19T22:30:45.657" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22484" PostId="6879" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV I would assume answering elsewhere could (quite frankly *should*) be seen as circumventing a moderator decision." CreationDate="2021-03-20T06:52:09.103" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22485" PostId="6879" Score="6" Text="what you wrote looks merely like your opinion. And closing this question looks like abusing your power to suppress dissenting opinion. What makes it look even worse is that power you used to suppress this meta discussion comes solely from your position in the company and not from your contributions to this site. Please don't do that" CreationDate="2021-03-20T10:17:39.180" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="22486" PostId="6879" Score="3" Text="@nvoigt I don’t think a candidate reading between the lines of your question and addressing your concerns in a constructive way would be a problem if they didn’t try to take a position on your suspension. I understand the reasoning behind closing it, but I think it was a bad idea. The post wasn’t generating a lot of controversy until the CM team stepped in and made it about correctly characterizing the previous situation instead of the question being asked. Sometimes it’s better to just ignore a potential provocation and see if the situation escalates on its own rather than forcing it to." CreationDate="2021-03-20T11:14:04.617" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22526" PostId="6879" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV I think we could all stand to focus more on the lines than what is in between them." CreationDate="2021-03-26T14:25:16.947" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22528" PostId="6879" Score="2" Text="@Old_Lamplighter As the question is currently written, it's pointless if taken literally. &quot;No I wouldn't suspend you for that quote if I saw it in your profile in the current environment.&quot; says nothing about how a candidate would moderate the actual issue unless the candidate makes it clear they understand the missing context. I understand why people are being cagey about bringing that up again, because it is very difficult to discuss that aspect of the CoC without getting the hammer dropped on you." CreationDate="2021-03-26T15:01:37.347" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22529" PostId="6879" Score="0" Text="So, here we are wink-wink-nudge-nudging our way through what should be a straight-forward conversation about where a candidate stands when moderating an issue that is very dependent on their judgment, and has significant impact on how comfortable users feel participating on the site." CreationDate="2021-03-26T15:03:06.423" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22530" PostId="6879" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV Remember what I said about those lines?" CreationDate="2021-03-26T15:03:37.807" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22531" PostId="6879" Score="2" Text="@Old_Lamplighter No, I'm not playing this game. Say what you mean or don't. I have no idea what you are trying to communicate. It took me years of work to get to the point where I could discuss things steeped in soft language and euphemisms without making anyone cry or having them accuse me of being a terrible person. If you can't say something in a way that I can interpret it literally and understand it, you should assume that I don't understand you." CreationDate="2021-03-26T15:12:15.367" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22532" PostId="6879" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV I don't play games, and I don't read in between any lines.  I take things and people at face value.  It eliminates 99% of the stress." CreationDate="2021-03-26T15:20:24.580" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22533" PostId="6879" Score="3" Text="@Old_Lamplighter It also means that you miss half of what they're trying to tell you in my experience. Sorry if it seems like my frustration is directed at you, it's not. We should be able to discover if a candidate is going to tolerate people passively-aggressively refusing to comply with the CoC or if they are going to be on a search-and-destroy mission for any hint that someone might not be a &quot;true believer&quot;. I'm confident none of our candidates fall into either of those camps, but I'm annoyed that we're not allowed to ask without risking punitive action." CreationDate="2021-03-26T15:28:59.430" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22534" PostId="6879" Score="5" Text="@ColleenV that's why I was such a fan of the &quot;assume good intentions&quot; rule.  I'm also an old fart who no longer cares about the games people play.  As for my own aggression, it's never passive, I prefer to be highly active in it.  That's also one thing I really don't like about the new CoC.  It expects people to be mind readers.  If, as I suspect, you are like me, you've spent much of your life having your intentions misinterpreted and not reading the intent of others well either.  That's why I made the &quot;reading the lines&quot; comment.  There is too much of projecting intent that does not exist." CreationDate="2021-03-26T15:46:31.113" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22524" PostId="6881" Score="6" Text="You haven't provided any context within which the question can be answered. If it's your nonprofit organization, you can call those who help any term you choose. &quot;I think they don't use it as an euphemism, but truly view teammates/partners as being different to volunteers.&quot; - in what way?" CreationDate="2021-03-26T10:35:53.060" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22525" PostId="6881" Score="6" Text="To me it seems like you are essentially asking us what the difference is between X and Y without telling us how you define either of those two terms. As the top comment says: how do **you** define volunteer and teammate? Those words' meaning depends on the context which is missing from your question." CreationDate="2021-03-26T11:24:26.640" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22540" PostId="6881" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I suppose then a question about how common organizations use the two words would be better. What do you think? It seems that I had expected/assumed that the usage of the two words is quite standard. Which is not" CreationDate="2021-03-27T06:15:55.153" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="22544" PostId="6881" Score="0" Text="@Ooker if you ask, you would need to explain the difference between what these people are doing . Currently we have no idea what a &quot;volunteer&quot; does at your project and what a &quot;teammate&quot; does at your project. And there is a danger is might be closed because, like answers say below you can call people whatever you like and &quot;this site isn't for braimstorming and it won't make decisions for anyone&quot;" CreationDate="2021-03-27T11:34:33.387" UserId="22086" />
  <row Id="22549" PostId="6881" Score="0" Text="Also, why do you think it matters?" CreationDate="2021-03-27T21:02:32.363" UserId="22086" />
  <row Id="22556" PostId="6881" Score="0" Text="@mattfreake do you think my question explain the difference between them sufficiently? It matters because it can help me appreciate their effort properly. If they feel that they do more than volunteering, but I fail to appreciate that, then it's not good for the project I guess so" CreationDate="2021-03-28T01:23:20.780" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="22567" PostId="6881" Score="0" Text="That is good that you want to do that, but the meanings of the words will vary by region and industry. Probably the best people to ask are your existing teammates and.volunteers" CreationDate="2021-03-29T12:31:32.280" UserId="22086" />
  <row Id="22628" PostId="6881" Score="0" Text="@Ooker Bit late on this, but the main problem with the question is that it boils down to semantics. What I *think* you're getting at is that you have people who help out your non-profit occasionally and there are some who want to perhaps do more or who you would like to engage more often / deeply with the work. Someone who takes on a certain aspect (fundraising, logistics, ...) or whatnot. Or simply someone who is interested in committing more time to work you're doing. You *could* then call that person something different from the others who are more sporadic." CreationDate="2021-03-31T22:08:40.920" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22629" PostId="6881" Score="0" Text="I really wouldn't call them teammates though. The area this plays in is called volunteer management and I suspect you won't find many definitions for distinguishing commitment levels precisely because it risks alienating other volunteers. You probably don't need to put a label on it. Maybe all you need is to think about how to engage and retain volunteers and use them effectively. But like I said, I'm trying to divine your intentions here, which is the reason your post was originally closed." CreationDate="2021-03-31T22:10:42.013" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22557" PostId="6882" Score="0" Text="what do you think about asking about how common organizations use the two words? Especially in startup setting, where profit hasn't come yet. Would that be better?" CreationDate="2021-03-29T10:00:56.927" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="22559" PostId="6882" Score="1" Text="@Ooker It could be, it definitely sounds more answerable. People close questions really quickly here, but if you phrased it well it might get some good answers (or useful comments at least). Try to focus it more on the &quot;how the titles are appropriate for the job&quot; aspect rather than &quot;how do startups use these titles&quot; and it'll probably do a bit better. And definitely include your motivation for thinking that there's a difference - you put it in a comment, but if it's not in the question then people won't read that far." CreationDate="2021-03-29T10:12:30.770" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="22578" PostId="6882" Score="1" Text="I think the &quot;startup&quot; aspect is confusing things. In the UK at least a volunteer is someone who works at a charity or some kind of non-profit for no monetary gain (that might learn stuff or find it satisfying). Someone who works at a startup (a company that wants to make profit but doesn't yet) for free because they think they will get monetary gain later is not, by common understanding I'm the UK, a volunteer" CreationDate="2021-03-29T18:07:57.340" UserId="22086" />
  <row Id="22799" PostId="6883" Score="0" Text="The community's reception of [Professionally Opting out of Inclusion Diversity and Unconscious Bias “training”](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/172898/26699) reminded me of this meta discussion. It seems like the majority of the community thinks diversity &amp; inclusion training is important and frowns on trying to opt out of it. Looking at that question and the answers, I think overall TWP is doing a good job of moderating to keep things civil without completely suppressing minority views. Yes, some answers are very negatively scored, but they haven't been deleted." CreationDate="2021-05-28T17:46:44.710" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22527" PostId="6884" Score="0" Text="Yes, I completely agree with you here.  With regard to comments, I've prefer to see respectful discussion that has the aim of enhancing the related question or answer.  Those comments that are prefaced with &quot;this is a terrible answer&quot; or similar just aren't constructive. As always, &quot;challenge the idea, not the person&quot; is the watch-word for me. Questions can be edited to make them clearer (remove unnecessary detail, concentrate on the actual problem and how the OP wants the situation to improve). Bad answers should be down-voted and comments left if there's a clear way of offering improvements." CreationDate="2021-03-26T14:50:43.967" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22535" PostId="6884" Score="2" Text="@Snow I've seen perfectly good answers get one snarky comment of the &quot;This is a terrible answer&quot; variety get dragged down by down-votes, only to have the trend reversed once the comments are deleted.  I think we should all flag them more frequently." CreationDate="2021-03-26T15:48:40.190" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22536" PostId="6884" Score="1" Text="I'd gladly delete comments that lead with personal snark.  But I'm not a moderator, so...." CreationDate="2021-03-26T16:18:52.497" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22537" PostId="6884" Score="1" Text="@Snow give it time :D" CreationDate="2021-03-26T16:25:08.080" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22538" PostId="6884" Score="1" Text="@Snow and Richard... yeah, this comment issue has been a thing since I recall... people insist on answering in comments, or plain saying &quot;this is wrong. Period.&quot;... When I find those I instantly delete them, no second thoughts, as it is very polluting to the answer and question." CreationDate="2021-03-26T18:05:06.197" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22539" PostId="6884" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus  With the rep I have at this point, it's like peeing on a forest fire when they pull this on me, but I have seen other people wrecked by it.  Most often, it comes from someone with a rep of 101, which makes it even more irritating, as it seems to me that they've just come in here to cause trouble, or they're used to reddit or quora." CreationDate="2021-03-26T18:08:12.550" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22585" PostId="6884" Score="1" Text="&quot;with more restraint and professionalism&quot;, I guess we can say at least that TWP is showing the example into being professional more than the other sites. Which would be embarassing if it was the opposite." CreationDate="2021-03-30T07:16:20.670" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22601" PostId="6884" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat Yes, we are not hypocrites.  There is, however, one stack, which shall not be made that falls disconcertingly short of it's own namesake." CreationDate="2021-03-30T11:44:20.797" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22545" PostId="6886" Score="6" Text="&quot;*The mods with overriding outside agendas mostly saw themselves out the door a while back and it's been much smoother sailing since then.*&quot; Ahh, c'mon man. Again? How ungenerous can you be to three moderators who resigned. Two came back almost immediately. Assume good intentions et al. I mean, MC was a mod on TWP, the  diamond was forcibly removed and... ! Anyway, that was not an outside agenda." CreationDate="2021-03-27T16:12:31.680" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22546" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="@Mari-LouA If it's about non-workplace nonsense, I'm not interested in it." CreationDate="2021-03-27T18:21:45.427" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22547" PostId="6886" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter perhaps if &quot;non-workplace nonsense&quot; was renamed loyalty and moral support what would your response be?" CreationDate="2021-03-27T19:12:54.260" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22548" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="@Mari-LouA Yeah, Orwell's 1984 was supposed to be a warning, not an instruction manual.  I'll leave the whole &quot;War is peace, Freedom is slavery, Ignorance is strength&quot; to others,  I like the names, the TRUE names things have rignt now." CreationDate="2021-03-27T19:35:31.250" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22550" PostId="6886" Score="2" Text="@Mari-LouA I  neither know nor care about what happens outside TWP. We're here to help people with workplace problems, not look at dirty laundry over the fence. The mod clique had been around too long and lost sight of the userbase. So smoother sailing since the userbase became the focus again." CreationDate="2021-03-27T22:24:50.617" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22551" PostId="6886" Score="3" Text="Sometimes what happens outside WTP can have direct consequences on those users who have worked for years in building a healthy and productive community.  Don't focus on your backyard but look beyond the fence. Just saying.You might learn something that could protect your chickens." CreationDate="2021-03-27T22:29:09.073" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22552" PostId="6886" Score="3" Text="@Mari-LouA with all due respect, how would you know what's best for us? You have provided one answer to the site in almost 2 years. You're not on the coal face." CreationDate="2021-03-27T22:32:49.450" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22554" PostId="6886" Score="2" Text="@Mari-LouA The only danger our chickens face is that from our neighbors who insist that feeding them glass is the best course of action.  As Kilisi said, your participation to date has been almost nothing.  You haven't even provided an answer in here, just picking at the person who has participated more than anyone else, save one." CreationDate="2021-03-27T22:58:29.487" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22555" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="@Mari-LouA and as I said in my answer, I have deleted every last account I've had in here, several of which I had reps in the tens of thousands.  The fact that TWP has insulated itself from the Orwellian nightmare that the rest of SE has become is the ONLY reason I remain." CreationDate="2021-03-27T23:08:13.613" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22561" PostId="6886" Score="10" Text="This assessment of my former colleagues on the moderator team is saddening, somewhat sickening and in my view profoundly unjust. Several resigned in protest because their fellow mod **on this site** had her diamond removed. Is that in and of itself reason to say they &quot;all had outside agendas&quot; and &quot;didn't focus on the userbase&quot;? Those mods were active almost exclusively on Workplace and put in heaps of work. They had very valid personal reasons to end their volunteer role over dissatisfaction with the network that hosts us. Is that enough to brand them as traitors as you appear to do here?" CreationDate="2021-03-29T10:22:49.787" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22564" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal I have a different take on the matter. Peoples perceptions differ. If I had been a mod at the time I would have acted differently. In fact two mods almost immediately returned so I assume they would understand what I mean and they earned huge respect for putting responsibilities here ahead of personal feelings. Does that make them traitors to the others? Privileges come with the diamond, and so do responsibilities. This is basic for any responsible position from business to parenting." CreationDate="2021-03-29T10:48:23.753" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22566" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="The mods who returned all said it was ONLY out of their respect for this community and NOT about what had happened, their feelings on that matter remained unchanged. How is that different from what I'm saying? It seems axiomatic that their focus in terms of TWP diamonds is the userbase and underlines that the focus SHOULD be the userbase. If you perceive it differently or have a different focus for the diamond, that's up to you. I don't, I'm a very simple person." CreationDate="2021-03-29T12:01:36.843" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22575" PostId="6886" Score="6" Text="Kilisi, I think what you're missing is that mods are a community that spans stacks, and while they represent their communities' interests, they also have independent mod specific concerns and responsibilities. When the company abuses their power and treats one of their volunteers so badly it goes into arbitration, it affects everyone in the mod community. You don't have enough info to judge fairly, because moderators literally can't give it to you without breaking their agreement to keep info from mod-only spaces private. You're entitled to your opinion though, even if it is uninformed." CreationDate="2021-03-29T14:58:17.367" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22576" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="Imagine if you were on a team that spanned departments in a company, and the company fired someone you worked closely with and respected without following the agreed-upon procedures, and then defamed that person in the press while at the same time insisting that they weren't allowed to make certain information public so that they couldn't defend themselves. Would you not be even the slightest bit concerned about the possibility they would treat you the same way? Would you risk your good name because resigning would be inconvenient for your department? That's just the tip of the iceberg." CreationDate="2021-03-29T15:03:15.917" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22577" PostId="6886" Score="6" Text="Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you but the impression I'm getting is that you have an extremely negative view of the mods who decided to resign and did not return and that somehow even before they resigned in protest they were doing the wrong things, whatever it is you're implying, which has since ended. Or I guess almost ended since the mods with &quot;outside agendas&quot; are only &quot;mostly&quot; gone. To use workplace terms, the vibe I'm getting is that you're marking them all as traitors for not being dedicated enough the moment they hand in their resignation. I hope I'm just interpreting this wrong." CreationDate="2021-03-29T15:57:51.740" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22582" PostId="6886" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV I may sympathise fully perhaps even to the point where I would also be terminated, but would still discharge my responsibilities professionally. I'm a professional engineer with peoples safety and companies legislated compliance often hinging on my actions. So it would be a very different scenario for me. I'm a parent, so in that analogy I'd put my kids first without hesitation. In terms of TWP the community would be my focus in terms of their diamond, no hedging bets required. I do not let others actions dictate mine or react emotionally without thought." CreationDate="2021-03-30T00:05:41.110" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22584" PostId="6886" Score="0" Text="If people in responsible roles lose sight of the grass roots, they become a negative force. I don't see the point of this overblown interpretation of a simple statement with non existent vibes or irrelevant justifications. It's just ranting. If anyone doesn't see the primary agenda of a TWP mod being the TWP community in the context of the diamond, then that's a worry." CreationDate="2021-03-30T04:36:41.857" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22589" PostId="6886" Score="2" Text="If we take the full context, it has happens about a change that in the CoC that would have affect our community. So we could argue that one mod got fired over protecting the community. Though the only thing I think I get you're not happy with is that you would have organized new election of moderators before leaving instead of just rushing through the exit door per respect for the community." CreationDate="2021-03-30T08:15:30.450" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22591" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="@Walfrat yes... basically thats it, with an underlying understanding that a clique attempted to assert dominance or protest by mass action. Which is fine, couldn't care less. But they used our TWP diamonds as part of their strategy. Our diamonds are not pawns they should be respected." CreationDate="2021-03-30T08:25:36.620" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22592" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="I would say that their let their emotions got overthem. I am not blaming them (I also felt very strong about the matter and since has been reluctant to even make an answer to a simple question). But if we talk objectively about profesionalism here, we can effectively say it was not the appropriate answer." CreationDate="2021-03-30T08:28:46.840" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22595" PostId="6886" Score="5" Text="@Kilisi I resigned from ELL November of 2019 but agreed to keep my moderator status until elections could be held. I waited for months and finally asked to have my status removed to force elections to be scheduled. You think you know how you would have handled the situation, but you don’t, because you don’t know a fraction of what was going on. So “wait for elections” wouldn’t have gone the way you seem to think it would have. Mods are volunteers. It’s unreasonable to demand they keep donating their time when it is having a negative impact on their life." CreationDate="2021-03-30T10:56:44.333" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22596" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV someone else makes a comment and you attribute that to be my stance? Or that I'd do things the same as you? Or that I'd even care about the situation at all? Kudo's by the way, you did well imo." CreationDate="2021-03-30T10:59:59.477" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22597" PostId="6886" Score="2" Text="The only power mods have to protect their communities when the company won’t listen is to strike. Things are much better now, but they wouldn’t be if moderators had just kept their heads down and pretended everything was fine. If moderators hadn’t disrupted the network, the company would be on a path that would not be good for TWP. This idea that you can isolate a stack from the company that created it doesn’t make sense to me." CreationDate="2021-03-30T11:05:42.043" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22598" PostId="6886" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV that's your opinion and up to you, you keep projecting your ideas as if I'm saying them. There's no point reading between the lines or feeling vibes with me. English isn't my language of daily use so I'm not up to the task of nuancing and innuendoing things. I just mean what I say. Feel free to downvote." CreationDate="2021-03-30T11:07:15.837" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22599" PostId="6886" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi obviously I need more coffee. All I’m trying to do is get you to understand there is way more to the situation than you know. You’re my first choice for moderator, because I think your perspective would be valuable. I hope you are elected, and maybe once you see it from the inside you’ll understand what I meant." CreationDate="2021-03-30T11:10:43.437" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22600" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV you do that, I'm off for my dictionary, I have a sneaky suspicion 'innuendoing' isn't a real word." CreationDate="2021-03-30T11:12:23.643" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22602" PostId="6886" Score="4" Text="(And I upvoted this because I agree with the other parts of it even though I think you're being a bit ungenerous toward the mods who resigned. I think you could have said essentially the same thing with a lot more words or some softer phrasing and a lot of people who are having a strongly negative reaction to the current phrasing would have overlooked it. )" CreationDate="2021-03-30T12:09:51.637" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22603" PostId="6886" Score="2" Text="@ColleenV like I said, English isn't my language of daily use, so I stick with direct and short.... if people want to upset themselves that's their call. Appreciate the vote thanks." CreationDate="2021-03-30T12:14:43.760" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22606" PostId="6886" Score="2" Text="One more point and I'll quit pestering you. I think it's important to have non-native English speakers as mods on a global site. Participating on ELL made me realize how much of English makes absolutely no sense. Expressing exactly what you mean and understanding exactly what someone else means is difficult if English is not your first language. Two people can look at the same text and understand it completely differently, much like the [duck/hare visual illusion](https://i.stack.imgur.com/B60YTm.jpg) where the picture can be either based on how you interpret different parts of it." CreationDate="2021-03-30T12:58:21.327" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22607" PostId="6886" Score="3" Text="@ColleenV my main reason for running, I have noticed too much bias against non white collar industries, and too many misunderstandings caused by cultural and communication differences. I intend to try and fill a gap rather than take on the whole moderation thing. Other mods would be much better suited for some things. Assuming I get voted in... so far I only have 2 solid votes after all my hard campaigning ;)" CreationDate="2021-03-30T13:11:26.717" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22609" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal I think Kilisi and I operate at a similar wavelength.  He wasn't talking about the mods themselves, but the pressure being placed on our mods by SE proper, in an attempt to weaponize them against us." CreationDate="2021-03-30T16:52:22.383" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22619" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi As far as I'm concerned, you don't need to campaign when you make a good general impression. I mean, except that 1 time I saw you create a meta post about one of your answer being deleted by a mod, the rest of the time, you looked like a decent guy." CreationDate="2021-03-31T08:41:18.243" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="22620" PostId="6886" Score="1" Text="@Clockwork thanks, that was a long time ago, people learn and evolve with time. (hopefully)" CreationDate="2021-03-31T08:46:04.553" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22730" PostId="6886" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi &quot;If anyone doesn't see the primary agenda of a TWP mod being the TWP community in the context of the diamond, then that's a worry.&quot; Whether you worry is your affair not mine, but I don't see the *real* primary agenda of *any* mod on *any* forum as being &quot;the community&quot;. The only *real* motivation for an unpaid and self-selecting role like &quot;mod&quot; is *self-gratification by exercising power over other people.*" CreationDate="2021-04-09T01:47:02.673" UserId="40357" />
  <row Id="22731" PostId="6886" Score="0" Text="@alephzero I guess that's probably true for some" CreationDate="2021-04-09T02:09:27.620" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22553" PostId="6887" Score="2" Text="I like the idea. It seems like it would be a difficult task though. We deal in many industries, roles and locales. Definitions for such things may differ wildly between them. They can differ wildly just between companies in practical terms." CreationDate="2021-03-27T22:46:04.250" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22558" PostId="6887" Score="2" Text="Very valid points. In my view the cases where we put the burden on the asker to provide clarification are often unavoidable since it doubles as a request for clarification. &quot;You seem to be asking about X, can you look at this post and see if it answers your question? If not, what is your concern here?&quot; That's basically the core idea behind closing as a duplicate. Perhaps it does put some people off but the same is true for questions we close as unclear and I'm not certain we have good fixes to this. Perhaps make sure that we leave a comment explaining this a bit more but that's probably it." CreationDate="2021-03-29T10:12:05.980" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22560" PostId="6887" Score="0" Text="With regards to the wiki  / general usage questions (sometimes called &quot;canonical&quot; on SE): it's been a goal for many people over the years but it's proven difficult to actually make progress. Defining the right scope for the generalised question as @Kilisi points out is one problem, ensuring high quality answers for hypotheticals is another." CreationDate="2021-03-29T10:14:59.463" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22565" PostId="6887" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal There is an [excellent example of a canonical question](https://ell.stackexchange.com/q/13255/9161) on [ell.se]. It’s almost entirely the work of one person. I think the best way to tackle canonical questions is for one or two people to take the initiative and write at least the framework of the question and answers, then let the community provide feedback. If we don’t have that one person who is really knowledgeable and passionate about educating people on a specific topic and willing to put in the effort, I doubt we will ever have a useful canonical post on it." CreationDate="2021-03-29T11:28:34.493" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22568" PostId="6887" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV we tried that a few times and met with what the military would call &quot;incomplete success&quot;" CreationDate="2021-03-29T12:51:53.530" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22569" PostId="6887" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter Well the interesting thing about SE communities is that the people that constitute &quot;we&quot; changes over time, so what we weren't able to accomplish in the past may be possible now :)" CreationDate="2021-03-29T13:20:08.043" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22570" PostId="6887" Score="0" Text="I've been cogitating this for a couple of days. And cannot really see it working except perhaps a few clear cut scenarios where no one would need it anyway. There can be many dynamic variables, what would stop it becoming more unwieldy to a new OP than pointing them towards potential duplicates? I'm not a fan of the duplicate thing personally, or accepted answers being the correct solution forever. It might end up being just a bunch of opinions on a matter, who gets to decide which is correct?" CreationDate="2021-03-29T13:35:38.533" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22571" PostId="6887" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi What's interesting is that there are not meant to be &quot;opinion&quot; answers on SE. But I can guarantee that most of the answers we could call opinions. I don't know where that leaves us, it's just worth mentioning." CreationDate="2021-03-29T13:41:19.580" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="22572" PostId="6887" Score="2" Text="@GregoryCurrie you're absolutely correct there. Dealing with people instead of equations isn't hard science outside Isaac Asimov books ;)" CreationDate="2021-03-29T13:52:55.207" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22586" PostId="6890" Score="1" Text="Some of us try, I don't know about others, but I have made 61 edits this month and done a lot of reviews." CreationDate="2021-03-30T08:03:21.250" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22587" PostId="6890" Score="1" Text="It's not easy and quite daunting after all. Maybe i'm seeing less because at a moment, there was more stuff going on about it on meta and it was easier to see those question saved by others." CreationDate="2021-03-30T08:05:10.997" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22604" PostId="6890" Score="0" Text="Part of the problem is now that the site has 28 thousand questions, we can be a lot pickier about the quality of the content, and it's more difficult for newcomers to know whether their question has been asked before. This is always going to be a source of tension when you're building a reference where the content is more important than the people contributing it, instead of hosting a discussion forum where the people participating are more important than the content." CreationDate="2021-03-30T12:19:36.123" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22605" PostId="6890" Score="0" Text="Yes it is not easy. Even more on topic like the workplace. Because a lot of situation have their uniqueness while being very similar to some others." CreationDate="2021-03-30T12:23:56.523" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22621" PostId="6890" Score="1" Text="I'm of the opposite opinion.  I've edited a bunch and gotten the lifeboat and lifejacket badges for it (means I've saved them from negative scores).  Again, we are better than most stacks with regards to that.  My least favorite one tends to close and delete newbies, and has been EXTREMELY cliquish since it's inception." CreationDate="2021-03-31T11:26:21.127" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22608" PostId="6891" Score="2" Text="We get those from time to time, and I even raised a question about it here on meta.  The best thing you can do is to down-vote, flag, comment and provide answers of your own." CreationDate="2021-03-30T16:49:28.650" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22610" PostId="6891" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter That's the thing, it was a comment, so I just kept flagging it as it was reposted again and again." CreationDate="2021-03-30T16:56:29.480" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="22611" PostId="6891" Score="3" Text="If that happens, drop a message in the water cooler (chat) and flag the comment for moderator attention.  If it keeps popping up, flag the whole question.  Mods can lock a question so that this kind of thing does not happen." CreationDate="2021-03-30T18:05:11.483" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22612" PostId="6892" Score="5" Text="Congratulations and welcome to the team!" CreationDate="2021-03-30T20:18:21.157" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22613" PostId="6892" Score="7" Text="Well done chaps! A nicely diverse set of mods!" CreationDate="2021-03-30T20:21:46.910" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22614" PostId="6892" Score="2" Text="Congratulations to the &quot;winners&quot;.  I know that both mods will do their very best to be fair and keep a calm head." CreationDate="2021-03-30T20:31:57.377" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22615" PostId="6892" Score="2" Text="Welcome to the Team, guys!" CreationDate="2021-03-30T20:36:32.223" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22616" PostId="6892" Score="4" Text="Thank you gentlemen :-) And Mari-Lou ;)" CreationDate="2021-03-30T23:02:44.577" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22617" PostId="6892" Score="2" Text="Congratulations!" CreationDate="2021-03-31T05:11:41.220" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22618" PostId="6892" Score="3" Text="Congratulations and good luck both. 8-)" CreationDate="2021-03-31T06:36:38.177" UserId="123900" />
  <row Id="22633" PostId="6892" Score="1" Text="Congratulations, as @Snow already mentioned a diverse and well balanced mix ;)" CreationDate="2021-04-01T09:30:16.770" UserId="105392" />
  <row Id="22641" PostId="6892" Score="3" Text="Congrats to both new mods. I don't think we would have gone wrong with any of the candidates, but you were both in my top three. Also, good job keeping your votes secret everyone who voted for @Kilisi Making him think he was only going to get a couple votes made his win a bit more dramatic ;)" CreationDate="2021-04-01T13:51:58.727" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22656" PostId="6892" Score="2" Text="I voted for Moto and Snow, seemed a bit unsporting to vote for Kilisi since we're relatives on my mothers side ;) but que sera sera, he squeaked in anyway." CreationDate="2021-04-01T22:05:38.667" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22658" PostId="6892" Score="2" Text="Godspeed to those elected. I saw I gave you a run for your money though! XD" CreationDate="2021-04-02T11:19:38.690" UserId="45825" />
  <row Id="22622" PostId="6893" Score="3" Text="Excellent point.  I would go even further and say **URBAN** office workers in IT. There is a certain naivete coming from western office workers in IT.  Most of us just need to keep our noses clean, and our skills up to date, and employment isn't much of an issue, most of the time.  &quot;Just get another job&quot; isn't as easy for your fisherman, or the oil rig worker, or the manufacturer where they live in a rural location with few other options and no public transit" CreationDate="2021-03-31T13:12:16.697" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22623" PostId="6893" Score="2" Text="It's funny, because I noticed that a lot of people seem to imply that the location is de facto the United States, except on this community." CreationDate="2021-03-31T13:13:53.863" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="22624" PostId="6893" Score="2" Text="@Clockwork We've had discussions as to whether or not to make a country tag required for posting.  When one does not add a tag, the user is often prompted to provide the country information.  I think the reason we make no assumptions is that we have such a diverse base, and so many of us work for multinational companies" CreationDate="2021-03-31T13:37:10.970" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22627" PostId="6893" Score="2" Text="Depends on the question, I service sonar and IT equipment on some of the private fishing boats here, they actually pay me in fresh fish. I have about half a tuna in my big freezer :-) Fishermen never deal with owners, everything goes through the hierarchy. Nothing democratic about a ships crew" CreationDate="2021-03-31T21:39:03.887" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22637" PostId="6893" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Yeah, the maritime industry is full contact, from fishermen to yachts to liners to ocean freight.  We have one office where many of us were convinced that they were comprised of promoted longshoremen.  I understand barter too.  I was in an area where I was getting paid in food for a while as well." CreationDate="2021-04-01T13:05:41.310" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22642" PostId="6893" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter can't even buy tuna or swordfish here, it all goes straight to Japan or somewhere, so it's a big deal, I don't want their money" CreationDate="2021-04-01T14:14:18.433" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22645" PostId="6893" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi the same is true in the farmland in the USA.  When COVID hit, and the supply chain got screwed, they could actually get the food that was normally shipped out." CreationDate="2021-04-01T14:59:27.093" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22630" PostId="6894" Score="1" Text="&quot;Opinion based&quot; is a sore spot for me, as an educated opinion is more than mere assertion.  As for vague, that one is often more justified.  I think we are a bit too quick to close, and I'll vote to reopen many, especially if the answers are weighty.  But meta is a good place to discuss this.  BTW, what is EE?" CreationDate="2021-04-01T02:12:25.313" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22631" PostId="6894" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter , EE = electronics aka electrical-engineering. Quite high daily volume of questions, I'd rate the culture there better than the software side, the quality of the answers is good, though they are also pretty strict in policing certain things." CreationDate="2021-04-01T02:16:08.140" UserId="124315" />
  <row Id="22632" PostId="6894" Score="1" Text="My own experience with SO was so bad that I have not even bothered to ask a question in years." CreationDate="2021-04-01T03:07:14.747" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22634" PostId="6894" Score="0" Text="I love SO, every time I ask a question some big brained chap gives me a useable answer pretty quickly... they can be a bit cheeky and I get a bunch of downvotes, but who cares? I just need an answer that works, I'm not on a date." CreationDate="2021-04-01T10:45:41.537" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22635" PostId="6894" Score="0" Text="Part of the problem is that a lot of people don't understand *why* certain &quot;opinion-based&quot; questions are out of scope for stacks where you can't check if the answer compiles. It's not because we don't like expert opinions, but because there has to be some reasonably objective way to choose one answer as more correct than another, and the range of possible answers needs to be limited to a reasonable number. So, &quot;What's your favorite way to keep track of your tasks?&quot; is out of scope, but &quot;Do you think a 12 page resume in comic sans is a good idea?&quot; isn't." CreationDate="2021-04-01T12:02:41.210" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22643" PostId="6894" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV - yes, so clearly some rule must exist. But as I think your example meant to show, there is actually a fundamentally more valuable question inside the example that was badly asked. (other than maybe it is a PM question vs TWP)... So one aspect of the site being &quot;welcoming&quot; is to get the poster there. Instruct them to break it down, reword in the form of &quot;what are the advantages of technique X vs Y in my situation&quot; or something like that. I bet for a lot of new users it would work better than the usual 3 downvotes and a boilerplate question-closed notification." CreationDate="2021-04-01T14:15:28.363" UserId="124315" />
  <row Id="22644" PostId="6894" Score="0" Text="@PeteW Yes, we should (in general) try to salvage questions that can be salvaged. We're all volunteers though, and folks are free to choose how much effort to expend. Often, salvaging a question that is stated in a way that makes it too subjective turns it into a duplicate of a &quot;classic&quot; question, so I think some people don't see it as worth the effort. For a lot of questions, the author is actually looking for opinions and not an answer that would contribute to our library of knowledge. Sometimes when people find out what SE is really about, they're just not interested in it." CreationDate="2021-04-01T14:28:47.093" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22636" PostId="6895" Score="6" Text="I agree.  if I see a new user, I am far more forgiving with my votes.  I will refrain from down-voting when I normally would, and will upvote if I might not normally do so.  I will also edit for tone.  The lifeboat and lifejacket badges exist for a reason" CreationDate="2021-04-01T13:02:43.520" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22638" PostId="6895" Score="12" Text="I think it is especially important to upvote when an author has responded to comments and requests for information. Negative reinforcement (downvotes because something is missing) isn't as effective as positive reinforcement (upvotes for doing something right) in an online community where everyone is participating voluntarily. In my opinion downvotes on questions should only be for repeatedly ignoring feedback from the community about quality or obvious spam or trolling. Answers that are wrong need to be downvoted though, regardless of whether they are written by a newcomer." CreationDate="2021-04-01T13:16:48.073" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22639" PostId="6895" Score="4" Text="I upvote what I consider useful answers/questions.  If I don't agree/like the answer/question I will just ignore it.  If it is a bad answer or repeat/troll/etc. I downvote." CreationDate="2021-04-01T13:29:55.833" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22640" PostId="6895" Score="1" Text="These are all good analysis. I had a suspicion everyone was already way ahead of me on this. But I posted anyway :-)" CreationDate="2021-04-01T13:42:52.127" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22647" PostId="6895" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV I do agree, but keep in mind that we don't usually have much in the way of &quot;repeat customers&quot; so there's a limit to what positive reinforcement can realistically accomplish. But if the decision is between leaving a comment to ask the OP to improve or downvoting then obviously the former should really by the goal. I might even argue that negative reinforcement on our site (which is much less technical and has a lot of non-SE traffic) does more harm than good." CreationDate="2021-04-01T16:37:51.223" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22648" PostId="6895" Score="3" Text="@Lilienthal it’s not a matter of how many people are repeat customers. Converting first-time posters into active members is something the site *has* to do to stay healthy. I think encouraging people who ask questions to become active members may be more important than wooing the people answering. Active users should be both contributing questions and answers, but it seems like the system results in veteran users being primarily answerers. Assuming people asking are “drive-bys” that won’t benefit from being rewarded for being engaged is a self-fulfilling prophecy." CreationDate="2021-04-01T17:03:47.863" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22651" PostId="6895" Score="1" Text="And to elaborate a bit more, if the question/answer has potential if time permits I will suggest and edit." CreationDate="2021-04-01T18:17:16.160" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22655" PostId="6895" Score="2" Text="@ColleenV Ah ok, I was thinking about positive reinforcement in the sense of encouraging future posters to improve their questions. That doesn't really work an influx of new users. But when it comes to retaining people in the community that's indeed a different matter." CreationDate="2021-04-01T20:10:38.907" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22678" PostId="6895" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV, 'Assuming people asking are “drive-bys”' - can't help making a note that sometimes, should a veteran want to ask a question, he might be inclined to do so incognito, using a one-off throw away account. Some questions state that, some might not." CreationDate="2021-04-06T12:38:26.220" UserId="104878" />
  <row Id="22679" PostId="6895" Score="0" Text="@IgorG I imagine that quite a few people create one-off accounts for questions about situations that might be recognized by their coworkers. We may never see the impact of our helpful comments or edits. I know for a fact though members engaging with new users has converted a few into active users on other stacks. Most of the time it’s pretty thankless though." CreationDate="2021-04-06T12:59:42.533" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22659" PostId="6896" Score="0" Text="It seems like that means you don’t downvote answers that are wrong as long as they seem to be intended to be helpful. Did I misunderstand?" CreationDate="2021-04-03T11:39:20.770" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22670" PostId="6896" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV Although I'm still pretty young in the workplace environment (both the website and the actual professional world), I think &quot;wrong&quot; is a rather subjective point of view. I mean, unless it's something utterly controversial, I oftenly stumble on answers where people are arguing which is more applicable/less wrong." CreationDate="2021-04-06T10:01:43.203" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="22676" PostId="6896" Score="1" Text="@Clockwork If there’s no possibility that an answer to a question could be wrong, the question is probably too subjective to be in scope for a stack. That said, of course I meant ‘answers that you believe are wrong”. If Snow didn’t believe they were wrong, there would be no reason to think about downvoting. I understand not downvoting because the answer just needs a little editing to be helpful. I don’t understand withholding a downvote on an answer you believe to be well-intentioned, but wrong. That undermines the entire point of content-based voting." CreationDate="2021-04-06T11:22:34.623" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22685" PostId="6896" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV &quot;Helpful&quot; as in believing that they're helpful in nature to the OP.  An unhelpful answer might be overly critical of the OP or their situation/intended solution or simply not answer the core question at all." CreationDate="2021-04-06T16:21:11.147" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22686" PostId="6896" Score="0" Text="I’m a pretty literal person, so it was the “*intentionally* unhelpful” that tripped me up. For me, that doesn’t include posts that are “unhelpful” but are *intended* to be helpful. I understand other people aren’t as literal, so I ask a lot of annoying questions to have more confidence that I am interpreting the meaning correctly." CreationDate="2021-04-06T16:28:54.420" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22687" PostId="6896" Score="0" Text="I'm basically meaning people who are just posting &quot;humour&quot; for their own enjoyment or who can't do anything more than simply criticising the OP." CreationDate="2021-04-06T16:34:30.920" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22689" PostId="6896" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV I bristle a bit at &quot;wrong&quot; here.  There are better and worse answers, but short of &quot;Go and moon the head of HR&quot;, there are very few answers that are outright wrong." CreationDate="2021-04-06T18:10:44.963" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22692" PostId="6896" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I used “wrong” purposefully because answers like that should be downvoted. I’m willing to switch to “unhelpful” since “wrong” is causing the discussion to head away from what I was asking, but in this case I’m just using it as a euphemism." CreationDate="2021-04-06T18:19:09.177" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22693" PostId="6896" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV Some answers like &quot;Talk to your manager&quot; vs &quot;Talk to HR&quot; vs &quot;Get a lawyer&quot; have varying degrees of helpfulness.  Sorry, I'm not trying to be belligerent, just trying to understand your point, which I seem to be missing." CreationDate="2021-04-06T18:22:47.650" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22696" PostId="6896" Score="1" Text="I’m using “wrong” to mean “above the threshold of unhelpfulness where the person making that judgement would not want that answer to be mistaken for good advice”. I didn’t even have to use legalese :)  My issue is just about trying to judge whether a post is *intentionally* unhelpful as opposed to just unhelpful. I don’t think that is a constructive distinction." CreationDate="2021-04-06T18:41:11.533" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22649" PostId="6897" Score="3" Text="I agree that answers should be voted on regardless of who posted them, although I have to say my bar for upvoting an answer is much higher for veteran users who should be familiar with the community standards. I don't think questions should be held to the same standards as answers. I think downvotes for questions should be reserved for trolling or other things disruptive to the community and not for questions which are merely sloppy, low effort, belligerent (but not in violation of the CoC), etc." CreationDate="2021-04-01T17:48:10.250" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22650" PostId="6897" Score="7" Text="@ColleenV - I honestly think the whole 'welcome wagon' nonsense has entirely missed the point. The goal should be to make the site welcoming for **subject matter experts** and then new users as will want to come, not the other way around." CreationDate="2021-04-01T17:57:34.857" UserId="28854" />
  <row Id="22657" PostId="6897" Score="2" Text="Good answer! Vote based on the content of the question/answer, not based on the longevity of the writer. You can always provide comments/edits to help." CreationDate="2021-04-02T00:42:47.390" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22672" PostId="6897" Score="0" Text="Fun fact: if this answer was posted by someone else, I may have had more trouble to agree. It doesn't mean I voted by your name, just that because of how long I've seen you around Stack Exchange, I started having an easier time understanding what you say." CreationDate="2021-04-06T10:09:56.083" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="22660" PostId="6898" Score="0" Text="I think it deserves addressing the elephant in the room, the fact the guest wearing a flimsy mask in a room they have been living in for the past 8 to 24h is doing exactly *nothing* for the safety of the employee. The only thing the employee can do is wear better PPE, and follow proper disinfectant protocol. The room is potentially contaminated, whether the guest puts on a flimsy mask for a minute or not. Masks are good when people meet in rooms where neither of them live, for example the hallway, the reception, the elevator or the gift shop." CreationDate="2021-04-04T09:55:17.453" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22661" PostId="6898" Score="2" Text="@nvoigt thats is probably true enough, but the whole mask thing is largely irrelevant. The OP wants to confront guests without the boss knowing when there is no formal procedure to follow, which is the basic question, whether it's over a mask or peeing in the corridor makes no difference." CreationDate="2021-04-04T10:00:19.030" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22663" PostId="6898" Score="1" Text="I've reopened it, I already have the communications gold tag badge so could do this even if I wasn't a mod." CreationDate="2021-04-05T00:24:23.473" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22671" PostId="6900" Score="2" Text="I'm not so new anymore, and I still feel lost and scared when I get downvoted without a reason given (Edit: I mean, not specifically on The Workplace, anywhere on Stack Exchange). You may think that I take it too personally, or that I'm over sensitive, but I guess I just want to _know_ what should be improved." CreationDate="2021-04-06T10:03:39.143" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="22673" PostId="6900" Score="1" Text="@Clockwork yes, that's good, it's important not to lose sight of the grass roots. My downvotes matter little, but I still have empathy for others." CreationDate="2021-04-06T10:37:48.527" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22690" PostId="6900" Score="1" Text="@Clockwork Don't worry, you've got the attention of a few people of minor importance around here.  And, Kilisi, who is of major importance." CreationDate="2021-04-06T18:11:48.713" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22664" PostId="6901" Score="3" Text="Directed at someone it's a very mild disparagement. Depends on the context I suppose. If in doubt, don't use it." CreationDate="2021-04-05T14:04:33.173" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22665" PostId="6901" Score="2" Text="Calling someone naive in this stack is a fairly serious insult,  It's essentially saying that they don't know what they are talking about, or don't understand how things work.  I would avoid it, as it will not be taken well." CreationDate="2021-04-05T15:17:24.347" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22677" PostId="6901" Score="1" Text="I would not recommend it." CreationDate="2021-04-06T11:42:30.843" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="22667" PostId="6902" Score="0" Text="Yes, I think it's too mild on it's own to be considered a violation. So the context is what matters more." CreationDate="2021-04-05T21:52:20.603" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22674" PostId="6902" Score="0" Text="&quot;Calling someone 'naive' would likely be misconstrued as insulting&quot; it should be &quot;Calling someone 'naive' would likely be interpreted as insulting.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-04-06T10:41:34.037" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="22675" PostId="6902" Score="0" Text="@mhoran_psprep The author is not a native English speaker, so I interpreted the question as being partly about wanting to use a translated word that isn’t insulting in their native language. If it was intended to be insulting, the question would be pointless. So, “misconstrue” (or “misinterpret”) is exactly what I meant." CreationDate="2021-04-06T11:10:07.550" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22709" PostId="6902" Score="2" Text="&quot;I think your approach is really naive&quot;. To me, this isn't the same than calling directly someone &quot;naive&quot;." CreationDate="2021-04-07T07:56:49.767" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22710" PostId="6902" Score="0" Text="@Walfrat I agree. I wanted to make a different point about applying labels to a post when criticizing it. I changed the wording to make that clearer." CreationDate="2021-04-07T10:40:27.283" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22757" PostId="6903" Score="1" Text="I have deleted all previous comments as the answer has changed enough to make them irrelevant. I think you are projecting your ideas on to other people as if they're the only possible ones. My motivations are not as you describe, I do read and attempt to understand before voting, and your downvotes are a drop in the bucket to what I have had." CreationDate="2021-04-17T02:51:23.597" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22758" PostId="6903" Score="2" Text="The site is gamified. Everyone participates, not just moderators. &quot;Considering the dangers in gaming in general and more so in hidden gaming in particular, I find this alarming.&quot; I find it amusing. &quot;If simply being here and moderating to the best of your abilities can damage your mental health, you must investigate this.&quot; - if you feel that your mental health is being damaged, perhaps this site isn't a good fit for you." CreationDate="2021-04-17T13:22:56.687" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22759" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="Dear Kilisi, Please read the post. This post is not about your intensions. I have no doubt about those and I would not want to discredit your effort in any way. , This is strictly about what you are being exposed to. And It is not a matter of opinion, but a simple cold hard fact. Moderation in StackExchange is constructed as a game. That is simply what it technically is. What you do with that information is up to you. The only thing I can say that relates to you personally is, that I was surprised to see that just telling you down-votes don't hurt me, didn't convince you." CreationDate="2021-04-18T17:32:02.153" UserDisplayName="user125128" />
  <row Id="22760" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="@ Joe Strazzere, Thank you very much for your comment. At least someone confirms I'm not just seeing ghosts. Gamified is a nicer term to use, but the effect is the same. Sure, some people have no problem with that. Some do, but don't know they do. Personally I think people should be free to choose for that to begin with, rather than having to find out for themselves. Mostly because that is where the ones who are less resistant than you and me get trapped. To stick to the point; Do you really think gamifying moderation does not undermine its quality?" CreationDate="2021-04-18T17:42:32.360" UserDisplayName="user125128" />
  <row Id="22761" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="@ Joe Strazzere Please note that offering gaming without warning for possible consequences, the way StackExchange does, it forbidden by law in the country I live in. I strongly doubt they went through the trouble of criminalizing it because they thought it was amusing." CreationDate="2021-04-18T18:03:23.010" UserDisplayName="user125128" />
  <row Id="22762" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="The vast majority of &quot;diamond&quot; moderators on the SE network simply don't care about gaining badges or reputation.  The vast majority of high-rep users with access to moderation tools also have more than enough badges and reputation. Both get a sense of achievement in helping the community or users through their actions, but that's about it.  Gamification is imposed on all of us, but generally the more you get, the less you care about them." CreationDate="2021-04-20T09:02:53.893" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22763" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="I used to be a high-rep diamond moderator here a year or so ago.  Reputation and badges mattered so little to me that I didn't mind deleting my accounts when it became necessary for me to take a break." CreationDate="2021-04-20T09:03:48.107" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22764" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="@Snow There is undoubtedly ways of dealing with this construct that are more sensible than others and you going good is good to hear. What strikes me in looking around on not only TWP, but also on other stacks is the almost complete absence of moderation on content. People voting for answers that are in essence insults (TWP) Questions deleted as 'off topic' on the physics stack that are not just on topic, but actually fundamental. Seen with relatively unbiased eyes, the average moderation is really brutally bad. Judging by the answers to this question, that is being frantically denied." CreationDate="2021-04-20T13:54:07.927" UserDisplayName="user125128" />
  <row Id="22765" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="One of the style of comments that is not being moderated at all, are hidden intention claims. You do not tell someone that he probably meant something he didn't say. You just don't. I haven't seen any of those being flagged even." CreationDate="2021-04-20T14:05:24.720" UserDisplayName="user125128" />
  <row Id="22766" PostId="6903" Score="1" Text="You have a lot of insights for someone who has only been here a month and barely participated. This post is many times more than the sum total of all your other contributions. I'm not sure what you expect to accomplish with it." CreationDate="2021-04-20T14:54:47.867" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22767" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="Is the site gamified? Sure - Does gaming have dangers? Yes - Is moderation perfect? No - Are you obligated to participate? No..... have I missed anything?" CreationDate="2021-04-20T15:02:33.360" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22768" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="You are probably not going to believe this Kilisi, but I am actually trying to answer the question at the top of the page. Being here a month may very well be a disadvantage, but that also goes for being here too long to still notice things. And NO, I am not talking about you. It is a general remark that goes for a lot of things. If you are interested, you don't even have to read what I write. Just reading and analyzing what you yourself write is already quite revealing.  t confirms a lot of my arguments. Please don't take this personal. I think you're great, really I do." CreationDate="2021-04-20T15:15:31.920" UserDisplayName="user125128" />
  <row Id="22769" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="@ Kilisi, Yes you missed something. Most people come here with the idea that this is a serious site on which they can either help others or find solutions to their own very real problems. Calling it OK for them to get caught up in a game they never asked for is highly questionable." CreationDate="2021-04-20T15:19:36.060" UserDisplayName="user125128" />
  <row Id="22770" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="No kidding: A person comes with a question concerning getting bullied on the Job. A professional answer gets deleted for 'Not being an Answer' and an advice to just suck it up and mind his own business gets 28 upvotes.  So what do you think? Is it fun to be on his side of this game?" CreationDate="2021-04-20T15:36:11.713" UserDisplayName="user125128" />
  <row Id="22771" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="Doesn't sound like much fun" CreationDate="2021-04-21T09:11:40.270" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22772" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="Exactly, and I'll bet ya green money he didn't expect that either. Plus these people are vulnerable. They present their private misery here in a public place as a last resort. There you have a good reason for keeping moderation moderate. I'm not saying it is impossible, but it does take awareness and continuous effort. The game never stops pushing either." CreationDate="2021-04-21T11:09:37.367" UserDisplayName="user125128" />
  <row Id="22773" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="It's a game, but you can play it how you want. HacknSlash Barbarian, Holier than thou Paladin, Finesse Assassin, Glamourous Sorceress, we have them all ... totally up to you. I'm doing Hobbit, little hairy chap with his bare feet on the ground blowing smoke rings." CreationDate="2021-05-01T06:44:31.613" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22774" PostId="6903" Score="0" Text="Oh but, I don't mind its a game, not at all. Just that it would be nice if that was somewhat more apparent. You know, just a little bit more clear, to prevent ugly surprises and disappointment and embarrassment, you know, the lesser nice things in life. Games are great fun, no denial there." CreationDate="2021-05-02T15:24:29.947" UserDisplayName="user125128" />
  <row Id="22691" PostId="6904" Score="1" Text="I agree.  I have edited dozens of posts by lower rep people, just to give them a chance.  I know what will attract down-votes, so I edit out tone and structure that I know will get people going." CreationDate="2021-04-06T18:13:32.253" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22726" PostId="6904" Score="0" Text="I wouldn't lower my/our requirements much for approving code a coworker wrote just because they're more junior. I would, however, provide them however much guidance and assistance they need to understand and meet those requirements. The equivalent on this site from my perspective would be to vote, close, flag and (perhaps) edit in a way that doesn't depend on reputation (whatever that way is), but possibly comment differently depending on reputation. There may be some rare cases where I'd be more inclined to downvote a low quality post posted by a high-rep user that really should know better." CreationDate="2021-04-08T07:18:09.923" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22727" PostId="6904" Score="1" Text="I haven't really developped &quot;lenient&quot; in my post, but it does go in the way you define it." CreationDate="2021-04-08T07:24:25.247" UserId="47387" />
  <row Id="22683" PostId="6906" Score="1" Text="Yes, we need to make our own rules sometimes. The site is designed for equations. So many focus on some metric or obsess over semantics and forget TWP is about people." CreationDate="2021-04-06T14:54:45.100" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22688" PostId="6906" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi That's why I'm very reluctant to close-vote if an edit can help." CreationDate="2021-04-06T17:06:40.510" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22703" PostId="6907" Score="0" Text="In typical usage, “naive” doesn’t just mean “inexperienced” any more than “ignorant” simply means “uninformed”. I understand why some people feel like others should assume that they’re using the neutral dictionary definition, but language doesn’t work that way. If your example was the only context I had, I would interpret B’s comment as an unfriendly remark about A’s character." CreationDate="2021-04-06T19:42:27.827" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22700" PostId="6908" Score="0" Text="I have often seen posts that probably wouldn’t get upvoted with a zero score get upvoted at -1 because someone thought the downvote was too harsh, giving a user a net reputation gain. Not too much on TWP though, it feels like this stack is pretty good at not letting too many posts linger at zero scores." CreationDate="2021-04-06T18:53:16.553" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22708" PostId="6908" Score="0" Text="I understand what you mean, but the users who downvote the most and cast the most close votes are experienced users." CreationDate="2021-04-06T23:22:07.773" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22717" PostId="6908" Score="0" Text="One other thing to consider is that downvotes do cost a small amount of reputation, and someone with 150 reputation might be more reluctant to downvote than someone with more reputation." CreationDate="2021-04-07T17:06:11.607" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22732" PostId="6908" Score="0" Text="FYI, you only require 15 rep to [flag a question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/privileges/flag-posts) for closure (which is replaced by close voting at 3k). Although on this site close voting isn't all that effective; I can't imagine how people might feel about close flagging (and both of those are also less visible and more restrictive than downvoting)." CreationDate="2021-04-09T11:10:22.667" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="22712" PostId="6909" Score="0" Text="Some good points" CreationDate="2021-04-07T14:25:35.547" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22718" PostId="6909" Score="2" Text="+1 for not upvoting useless or incorrect posts just to be nice. I do think if a new user puts some effort into improving a post that wasn't worthy of either an upvote or a downvote, it should tip the scales a bit toward upvoting if you notice it. No-one's voting is 100% consistent over time, so I don't think being slightly more positive than neutral for some new users is going to break any quality controls." CreationDate="2021-04-07T17:13:32.747" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22719" PostId="6909" Score="1" Text="Commenting is useful when you are providing constructive criticism, unfortunately, they are often used to be unconstructive." CreationDate="2021-04-07T17:26:41.180" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22728" PostId="6910" Score="4" Text="Very good points. IMO the question was not about the policy at all, but about how to deal with a management situation in a fairly common situation. Sales can be cut-throat, stealing commissions is a real danger, and commissions are more important than regular pay in some places. The question already has 3 reopen votes, I'll reopen it." CreationDate="2021-04-08T08:12:56.367" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22729" PostId="6910" Score="2" Text="It's definitely a pattern. Clearly, in the rush to cast a close vote, some folks don't bother to read the question. Or if they do, they don't bother to try and edit it to keep it open." CreationDate="2021-04-08T17:26:11.850" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22733" PostId="6910" Score="1" Text="I think that having the close option for policy invites that close reason, to the point where people will vote to close if the word is anywhere in the question.  That may be hyperbole on my part, but not overly so." CreationDate="2021-04-09T18:09:10.863" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22735" PostId="6914" Score="0" Text="Do you feel this relates to the &quot;happy trigger&quot; people that I've seen some folks have complained recently that it has worsened a bit? Perhaps this increase in close and happy triggers is directly related to less tolerance on this aspect? Or is this a separate phenomena you've seen" CreationDate="2021-04-09T18:27:15.040" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22736" PostId="6914" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus This one has always seemed to be a particularly pernicious one.  The close as duplicate has calmed down a bit, partially because so many of us went nuts on that one, but this one persists, and it feeds the happy trigger way too much.  It seems to me that some people are looking for excuses instead of reasons" CreationDate="2021-04-09T18:29:28.827" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22737" PostId="6914" Score="3" Text="I thought the mere asking of any question inspires the mad rush to close it." CreationDate="2021-04-09T22:28:38.480" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22753" PostId="6916" Score="0" Text="The answer to the title for me would be &quot;With indifference.&quot; It seems like you were trying to ask a different question though based on your comments below and I'm finding the main post here hard to follow. Can you clarify your main question? Or has it already been addressed sufficiently in the comments below?" CreationDate="2021-04-14T10:24:04.433" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22754" PostId="6916" Score="2" Text="You may want to take a look at this question + all the linked questions on there. [How can I ask questions on this site anonymously?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/1911)" CreationDate="2021-04-14T10:25:07.857" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22739" PostId="6917" Score="0" Text="I guess that leads to the same follow-up question then--which has no answer and is cited in my question: on Stack Overflow, where I have a pretty decent reputation, I want my real name used. Can I anonymize my name just for here, or should I create a new account just for here? I hate to have to separate my real self I *want* people to know on Stack Overflow, Arduino, Electrical Engineering Stack Exchange, etc, from the concealed self I may need to use here." CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:12:56.413" UserId="60993" />
  <row Id="22740" PostId="6917" Score="0" Text="I recall that one can have different usernames per Stack (when editing it says something like &quot;update in all SE sites&quot;), if that's what you are asking... although it would suffice for anyone to go to your profile, click on the SO link and arrive to your username there" CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:14:00.307" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22741" PostId="6917" Score="0" Text="Or...I just ask away and accept the consequences and that's that. Being open perhaps isn't such a bad thing, so long as I'm respectful. Worst case, me/the asker gets fired because an employer finds out their employee is looking. But...is that such a bad thing if it's a bad fit anyway? Best case, the employer addresses the issue and the asker now gets a long, happy career where otherwise they'd have had misery by not saying anything." CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:14:36.807" UserId="60993" />
  <row Id="22742" PostId="6917" Score="0" Text="To be honest... I just browsed to your profile, and you even have a link to your Twitter there, as well as to other sites that disclose your identity... this suggest to me that disclosing that info is really not an issue for you, at the moment... perhaps you can reconsider if you really want all that information there, as well as if you really really need to use your name as username." CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:17:31.817" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22743" PostId="6917" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I'm transparent intentionally. But, I've also never come right out and said, &quot;I hate working at X because of this problem with so and so, and am thinking about leaving in the next Y months. Should I tell my boss and maybe they fix it or maybe they fire me, or should I just leave?&quot; Instead, what I've usually done is demonstrated my engineering and software skill in such a way it _should_ be part of my job profile and public persona, and even placed at the top of my resume (Twitter aside--that's a different story--I'm talking about my Stack Overflow and GitHub accounts)." CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:20:04.203" UserId="60993" />
  <row Id="22744" PostId="6917" Score="3" Text="@GabrielStaples In general, if you truly wish to hide your participation on this particular SE site, we recommend that you create a second account with a pseudonym to participate on any sites you don't wish to be tied to your real name. While we do have a feature that allows you to hide specific sites, it doesn't guarantee that someone can't find a connection between them - there are places on the network where those connections will be visible to anyone who knows how to find them. The only way to have a truly separate identity is through a second account." CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:22:09.773" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="22745" PostId="6917" Score="1" Text="@GabrielStaples another option I can think of is. Go ahead and post your question. As always, remember to be polite and professional. Then, modflag asking for us to disassociate it from your account. That's the only alternative I can think of currently... but yes, as Catija said, basically there are pros and cons of disclosing that. By being intentionally disclosing, you are accepting the consequences it brings" CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:23:28.953" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22746" PostId="6917" Score="1" Text="Having more than one account is perfectly allowed provided you don't do anything with two accounts that you couldn't do with your single account, such as voting up your own posts or double voting on the same post. In general, in your case, I'd recommend either not using your primary account on TWP at all or determine that you will only vote on TWP using your secondary account to prevent such issues." CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:23:39.667" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="22747" PostId="6917" Score="0" Text="@Catija, I recommend you make that an answer [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/6595/does-the-workplace-have-a-fundamental-issue-with-throwaway-accounts). I think that's the end result I need, unfortunately. Or, I just risk it and that's that. Learning how to deal with conflict is a skill we all need, and I could probably help others at work if they knew my true identity and struggles. I could become a &quot;case study&quot;, in a good way, resulting in positive change, even if I was fired, which ultimately is probably just a fear and most likely wouldn't happen anyway." CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:24:10.463" UserId="60993" />
  <row Id="22748" PostId="6917" Score="1" Text="Disassociating is an option but since it requires staff to do so, we generally avoid it unless absolutely necessary - we'd prefer that you maintain two accounts because it allows you to retain control of the question meaning that you can still accept an answer and respond to comments without looking like a third party. If you respond to comments after disassociating, it can lead others to assume that you are the asker, which sort of defeats the purpose." CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:25:22.773" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="22749" PostId="6917" Score="1" Text="@GabrielStaples Before I was hired, I was a moderator on a similar site, [ips.se] and it was very common for people to use secondary accounts because the content there can be very private and people often don't want their personal conflicts to be tied to their more professional accounts - it's 100% OK and we even have a guide for it on the main meta... https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/57682/how-should-sockpuppets-be-handled-on-stack-exchange" CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:30:07.190" UserId="41738" />
  <row Id="22750" PostId="6917" Score="0" Text="One common interpersonal-skill-related interview question is &quot;How do you deal with conflict? What is a case where __ happened? How did you deal with it? What was the result?&quot; If nothing else, I can use myself as a future case study in an interview like that, and just give them the link to my question. I'll probably risk it and be transparent (well--I don't know---I'm really vacillating on this one). Speaking one's mind respectfully should lead to more respect, I think." CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:30:18.183" UserId="60993" />
  <row Id="22751" PostId="6917" Score="1" Text="@GabrielStaples I am completely sure that one can talk about tough issues or situations in the workplace in a professional and respectful way, regardless of being registered or not, or using your real name or not." CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:34:08.890" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22752" PostId="6917" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus, the one caveat I think: if someone expresses their incompetencies or reveals a low performance rating, it may come back to bite them in the future with a future employer who now doubts their skills because of a poor rating they see here. It may stick with them when it shouldn't. In other words, in job A I may not meet expectations, because I am a poor fit for Job A but a perfect fit for Job B. Job B employer comes along and sees my revealed low rating at Job A and now won't hire me for fear I am a poor fit at Job B too. That's a real danger/an unfortunate potential side effect." CreationDate="2021-04-14T01:35:44.783" UserId="60993" />
  <row Id="23642" PostId="6920" Score="0" Text="I always advise folks never to post anything anywhere on the net that they'd be unable to defend to anyone they'd be willing to work for. Admittedly I have the luxury of being in only a few groups that are significantly discriminated against, my worst violation of the law was trespassing on NYC property, and I've never been in the position of having to take a bad job just to survive, so it's relatively easy for me to take that position.  But even I have a secondary identity or two that I use simply for spam-reduction purposes." CreationDate="2023-05-03T21:39:41.093" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="22777" PostId="6921" Score="0" Text="Do you have an example of a question or answer where you believe a someone's voice was silenced or behavior designed to drive a user out of the community was tolerated? (And did you flag it for a moderator?)" CreationDate="2021-05-03T17:22:16.150" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22779" PostId="6921" Score="0" Text="To your 4 possible action items - #2, we could start a chat room but it would need to have mod protection to not just be a place people come to argue 'discrimination doesn't exist' with people. On #3, mods are elected and frankly in the latest election a lot of the discussion was filled with dog-whistling about &quot;not worrying about/supporting SE wide politics&quot; (a very thinly veiled reference to their diversity and welcoming initiatives).  I think we may have to approach this as &quot;how can a smaller number of people without majority/mod support help people be welcomed.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-05-04T18:22:22.140" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22780" PostId="6921" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk I think you've incorrectly characterized the conversation about the desire for TWP mods to not be involved in drama that doesn't directly involve TWP. It was more about mods resigning and leaving TWP with too few moderators than any objection to the CoC changes. Those concerns were stated pretty directly and didn't involve any coded language. Regardless, someone can simultaneously criticize a company's approach to inclusion and want to improve a site's inclusiveness. Not liking a particular solution to a problem doesn't automatically mean we don't want the problem solved." CreationDate="2021-05-05T12:59:37.627" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22783" PostId="6921" Score="0" Text="Thank you for proving my point on the other thread, &quot;Downvotes often happen to minorities who express concerns about discrimination in the workplace&quot;.  Apparently meta needs some improvement as well." CreationDate="2021-05-08T17:40:27.007" UserId="119709" />
  <row Id="22785" PostId="6921" Score="3" Text="@JanetPlanet How dare those commoners down vote you, don't they know who you are? It must be because they are bigots because it is obviously a physical impossibility that anyone might just think you are wrong." CreationDate="2021-05-10T15:52:26.670" UserId="112535" />
  <row Id="22775" PostId="6922" Score="2" Text="One of the moderators, is a person of color, the #3 ranked person here has multiple disabilities and there is someone who is LGBT in the top ten as well." CreationDate="2021-05-03T01:47:33.337" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22778" PostId="6922" Score="3" Text="As a woman who has been an engineer for about 3 decades now, I know what sexism looks like, and I see nothing to support your assertion that there's a problem on TWP. I see lots of good, actionable advice given to people who are facing discrimination at work that would have been helpful to me when I started my career. The site has thousands answers from diverse voices and viewpoints from people working all over the world. I don't see how the content here could be interpreted as lacking in diversity or the community perceived as not being inclusive." CreationDate="2021-05-03T20:43:55.563" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22781" PostId="6922" Score="2" Text="Thank you for proving my point on the other thread, &quot;Downvotes often happen to minorities who express concerns about discrimination in the workplace&quot;." CreationDate="2021-05-08T17:32:48.490" UserId="119709" />
  <row Id="22782" PostId="6922" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV, per the other thread, &quot;No Phyllis Schlafly types please.&quot;  Sexist comments that minimize others' concerns happen regularly on this site.  Perhaps you should take a class in Women's Studies, so you can take the material and apply it to real life.  Frankly, feminist men on this site do a better job standing up for women's rights than you do.  Being a female yourself does not absolve you of minimizing other women's concerns." CreationDate="2021-05-08T17:38:35.643" UserId="119709" />
  <row Id="22784" PostId="6922" Score="2" Text="Why do you think you should be immune to downvotes? I am entitled to my opinion as you are to yours. I shouldn’t have to be indoctrinated into your cult of victimhood to “prove” I’m not sexist. I know I’m not sexist, and I don’t tolerate actual sexist behavior. I reject the idea that you know better than I do what is and is not sexist and that my experience as a target of sexism is somehow irrelevant to forming a reasoned opinion about it. Maybe you’re getting downvoted for the same reason I get downvoted sometimes; people disagree with what you’ve written." CreationDate="2021-05-09T04:22:35.883" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22786" PostId="6922" Score="2" Text="I haven't noticed much discrimination on TWP, but discrimination is a fact of life or people wouldn't post questions on it. I found out long ago that because we're an international site what is normal for a locale may be widely different from others. I feel we make an honest effort to be agreeable to all on a personal level and there is more bias based on industry. I read a very interesting answer of yours, I note your qualifications as well, but realistically hardly any of it would be applicable in my locale. But I didn't say your answer was bigoted, it's probably valid where you're from." CreationDate="2021-05-11T10:39:49.210" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22787" PostId="6923" Score="2" Text="&quot;most doubts, conflicts, complications arise from politics, personal conflicts, ethics, etc.&quot; yep, and most of those have solutions or at least we can help people understand the problem they're facing which is quite often a bit different from what they think" CreationDate="2021-05-12T13:21:35.020" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22794" PostId="6924" Score="0" Text="To me it just reads like your main question is about how to ace a very particular type of technical test that is simply not within this site's scope. If you focused more on timed tests in general, whether you're drawing the right conclusion (I think you might not be) or even just which lessons you can draw from this to improve, that would be more within our scope. It's not unlike posting a question on how to ace your first day as a sous-chef in a professional kitchen. That's also a question about work but it's about that particular job, not the concept of workplaces more generally." CreationDate="2021-05-17T19:15:51.830" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22795" PostId="6924" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal _To me it just reads like your main question is about how to ace a very particular type of technical test that is simply not within this site's scope._ We can use a tag called `software-industry` and the tag's description stated it corresponds to questions specific to the software industry. Due to the presence of this tag, I figured it is acceptable to ask my question here." CreationDate="2021-05-17T19:39:24.953" UserId="123677" />
  <row Id="22796" PostId="6924" Score="1" Text="Understandable, but industry-specific tags mostly exist for questions on navigating the industry.We have a [tag:startup] tag as well yet don't allow the sort of questions that the now deleted Startups site covered. And while we might touch on security topics we don't cover anywhere near the scope of [security.se]. As mentioned versions of this question would be on-topic but if you're specifically after technical answers to improve your skills in this area, this isn't the best place compared to something like [programmers.se]. Though I'm not sure if they accept a question like this." CreationDate="2021-05-17T22:41:15.900" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22797" PostId="6924" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I am going to flag the question again to get the moderators' attention." CreationDate="2021-05-18T00:32:35.963" UserId="123677" />
  <row Id="22798" PostId="6924" Score="1" Text="There's really no point in doing so. Moderator flags shouldn't be used to get questions reopened, meta posts like this one are. We'd decline a flag like that. Your question has 2 reopen votes at present but it's likely that not enough support exists for it to be reopened even after the edits you made." CreationDate="2021-05-19T16:05:56.157" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22788" PostId="6925" Score="0" Text="Thank you for the response. The question received many excellent answers. This is why I decided not to select a best answer." CreationDate="2021-05-16T21:43:16.780" UserId="123677" />
  <row Id="22789" PostId="6925" Score="0" Text="Moreover, the reason for closing is not helpful for me. It would have been more helpful for me if the given reason was more specific to my question." CreationDate="2021-05-16T21:46:37.963" UserId="123677" />
  <row Id="22790" PostId="6925" Score="1" Text="That's fine, if enough people agree it will be reopened. Or they may give you some more specific feedback here." CreationDate="2021-05-16T21:49:59.753" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22792" PostId="6926" Score="1" Text="Thank you. This is the type of actionable suggestions I wanted." CreationDate="2021-05-17T15:03:17.527" UserId="123677" />
  <row Id="22800" PostId="6927" Score="3" Text="To be clear by moderation failure you refer to community moderation? Or do you see a particular failing on part of the mod team here? If the latter I'd like to ask what specific action you'd expect us to take here. Either way, I'd sooner say this is the key issue with HNQ. Close votes don't matter when selecting for HNQ. If they did, questions that are controversial or need more info would never reach it. That being said, I don't expect the example you give to be very representative. Such straightforward questions are usually quickly closed or clarified, unlike ones open to interpretation." CreationDate="2021-05-29T21:01:34.137" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22806" PostId="6930" Score="0" Text="Yep, it's the internet, everyone does whatever they want within the wider framework" CreationDate="2021-06-09T10:00:52.493" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22858" PostId="6930" Score="0" Text="The goal for SO, the OG of SE sites, was never to give &quot;absolute&quot; answers either. That's why there can be many upvoted answers and they are not deleted when the OP accepts one as helping them most. The next guy searching might have a slightly different case and find one of the other answers more helpful. That's perfectly normal on the network." CreationDate="2021-06-24T06:44:07.580" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22859" PostId="6930" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt &quot;the OP accepts one as helping them most&quot;. More like the OP accepts one that THEY THINK helped them the most. Often it's not the best answer. It's just the one that resonates with the OP in some way." CreationDate="2021-06-24T06:47:54.110" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="22860" PostId="6930" Score="0" Text="Yes, indeed. And that's the point. The OP does not decide what the best answer is. Or even whether there *is* an absolute best answer. None of the SE sites have the goal of giving a single, absolute best answer. As an indicator, acceptance of an answer does not get you any of the bronze/silver/gold tag badges, only voting on your answers does. The fact that the OP accepted an answer does not mean it's good, it only means the OP liked it best. On all SE sites." CreationDate="2021-06-24T06:52:36.523" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22862" PostId="6930" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt The difference between this, and say, Stack Overflow, is on SO, you check the answer, and you can verify it works. So the accepted answer in a way is verification that the answer is correct." CreationDate="2021-06-24T07:10:26.473" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="22863" PostId="6930" Score="0" Text="I have seen answers on SO being accepted that were blatantly incorrect. The checkmark is just a checkmark. I would hope it means the OP compiled it and it worked for them as I hope here that it means the OP used the advice and it worked for them, but in reality, we have no idea what happened on the other side of the screen :(" CreationDate="2021-06-24T07:17:36.880" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22861" PostId="6931" Score="0" Text="Can you elaborate why having multiple independent answers is not inside the SE Q&amp;A format? Or do you have an example where answers where *not* independent answers to the question, but used as a discussion?" CreationDate="2021-06-24T06:55:12.993" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22868" PostId="6931" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt is your comment on the right question and answer?  I don’t understand its relation to this topic (people guessing country etc.)." CreationDate="2021-06-24T13:18:10.210" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22869" PostId="6931" Score="0" Text="Well, you said people just go ahead and discuss. That would assume that answers are used for discussion and not as independent answers. Maybe I misunderstood your sentence?" CreationDate="2021-06-24T13:19:55.293" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22874" PostId="6931" Score="1" Text="It means that answers should be answers that address the needs of the OP, which still leaves plenty of room for multiple answers. They shouldn't take random stabs in the dark without enough context or be effectively a comment asking for clarification, no.  You know this, you spent a lot of time on RPG.SE.  If someone asks &quot;how do I do X&quot; and you don't know what game it's for, do you answer it or ask what game they're playing?  The latter, so you don't end up with a bunch of terrible answers once they do clarify. Same thing here." CreationDate="2021-06-24T16:56:32.903" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22875" PostId="6931" Score="1" Text="If someone is in India but someone assumes America and gives them ineffectual legal advice, you've wasted the questioner's time, the answerer's time, and the time of everyone who clicks into that question hoping for information. Nothing about that is good. &quot;Multiple answers&quot; are good but &quot;wildly off target answers because there's not enough detail/detail was assumed incorrectly&quot; are bad." CreationDate="2021-06-24T16:57:42.783" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22877" PostId="6931" Score="0" Text="Well, I guess you are part of that community. If you take this https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/173958/forced-to-use-private-phone-for-company-emergency-alert-notification-system question and answer, you answered with just a hint of where the person is located with an answer that is correct for your guess of their location, but 180° wrong for the others. I tagged it US so at least now it's visible. By your own standards though, I should probably not have made that guess (maybe there's other countries with federal states abbreviated CA...) and you should not have answered." CreationDate="2021-06-26T08:19:07.547" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22878" PostId="6931" Score="0" Text="I like that answer btw, I think it's a good answer for the US, but it does exactly what you are criticizing." CreationDate="2021-06-26T08:19:48.983" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22879" PostId="6931" Score="0" Text="He implied the US clearly, and I was careful to specify the context of the specific quote in my answer to California but it’s similar in other states (as opposed to the usual practice of answering for a context but not specifying what it is).  And if this community doesn’t care to make people specify more information I’m not going to just hold my breath and refuse to answer questions until they decide to do it that way, so “you got me?”" CreationDate="2021-06-26T20:21:59.463" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22805" PostId="6932" Score="11" Text="You sure you aren't just upset by the downvoting of your &quot;you should quit&quot; answer in response to the &quot;How do I politely tell her that she isn't allowed in my home?&quot; question?" CreationDate="2021-06-08T22:34:19.283" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22807" PostId="6932" Score="6" Text="The only &quot;disconnect from the workplace&quot; I see here is [your answer](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/173305/25739) recommending the OP to literally disconnect from their workplace. That doesn't seem to address the root behavioural issue any more than your narrow interpretation of the other answers. It's also rather a stretch to extrapolate that interpretation to the entire community. And since your last sentence seems to be a sort of general indictment of the core concept of a Q&amp;A website I must say I strongly disagree with this assessment." CreationDate="2021-06-09T17:00:38.577" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22812" PostId="6932" Score="0" Text="Suggest renaming this question “I think my answer to a question was best but others don’t.”" CreationDate="2021-06-10T19:19:00.077" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22803" PostId="6933" Score="1" Text="...Or flag any low-quality content you see? Or better yet, suggest an edit?" CreationDate="2021-06-08T18:49:27.993" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22880" PostId="6934" Score="1" Text="+1 for &quot;The answers are to the questions&quot; - besides, while we might have a few stray mental health professionals around here, the large majority of us are not qualified to give advice on how to solve PTSD" CreationDate="2021-06-29T08:49:30.523" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="22813" PostId="6935" Score="4" Text="I think [meta-tag:hot-questions] contribute to this issue. Questions going to network wide sidebar inevitably attract hundreds visitors from Stack Overflow, many of them are additionally armed with [association bonus](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/tagged/association-bonus) allowing them upvote what they like. These folks are typically programmers, reasonably well educated and paid, enjoying high demand in the job market. Guess what kind of answers do they upvote and what perspectives they like better, guess whether they care about anything but being entertained" CreationDate="2021-06-11T16:54:21.513" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="22833" PostId="6935" Score="2" Text="Can you list some examples? I would agree that this silent majority is under-represented in questions, but I have no examples of actually misleading answers. Personally I always try to present options, not tell people which to take, because both &quot;just endure it&quot; and &quot;just quit&quot; are not answers. The OP might be forced to take one or the other based on external circumstances though." CreationDate="2021-06-17T06:21:09.577" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22838" PostId="6935" Score="7" Text="&quot;If we look up on the answers from the point of view of average person, and not the highly educated big city elite, how appropriate they would be?&quot; - if the write of the question expresses, the types of answer preferred (locale, country, domain, etc), they usually get them. Otherwise, the writes of answers have no reference point, and so tend to write what they know." CreationDate="2021-06-22T01:34:59.220" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22809" PostId="6936" Score="5" Text="The problem of people answering without fully understanding that their personal context is so far removed from the author’s their advice isn’t really helpful happens across the network. People don’t know what they don’t know, so in addition to voting on content it’s also helpful when people who can see the disconnect constructively point it out. It’s unfortunate that so many people seem to view closing a question as a soft deletion instead of as a way to put it on hold while we get the information we need to answer it well." CreationDate="2021-06-10T14:04:39.397" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22810" PostId="6936" Score="4" Text="@ColleenV &quot;so many people seem to view closing a question as a soft deletion instead of as a way to put it on hold while we get the information&quot; — that's an excellent point: it would perhaps be very worth a meta.SE question / feature-request to rename the thing as such, or to create a variant of it for this purpose; so that people would get it right." CreationDate="2021-06-10T16:57:35.007" UserId="125897" />
  <row Id="22811" PostId="6936" Score="7" Text="SE did an experiment where closed was renamed to on hold (I was a mod on RPG.SE when it ran) but they eventually discontinued it because people didn’t get any less crabby about it (not sure how they measured that, but it’s what we were told)." CreationDate="2021-06-10T18:24:13.460" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22840" PostId="6936" Score="4" Text="You don't have &quot;lots of middle class techies&quot; here. You have &quot;lots of middle class ***North American*** techies.  And it's only when you meet some of them who have been forced to move out of their own back yards that you discover just how parochial they really are. (I've met US college graduates on their first trip to the UK who are ***amazed*** to discover that the UK has McDonalds, Coca-Cola, Nike trainers, etc  - not to mention iPhones - available everywhere. Hard to believe just how little they knew about the world, if I hadn't seen the level of ignorance at first hand." CreationDate="2021-06-23T03:13:38.100" UserId="40357" />
  <row Id="22841" PostId="6936" Score="1" Text="@alephzero well, that's easily the most offensive stereotyping bigotry I've seen in quite some time.  The number 2 poster in the workplace is not an american, nor is he white.  The #3 of all time is from a blue collar, and multiethnic background as well." CreationDate="2021-06-23T04:12:00.547" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22842" PostId="6936" Score="0" Text="You are once again trying to push folks to the margins by trying to create a tempest in a teapot." CreationDate="2021-06-23T04:14:20.310" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22843" PostId="6936" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV a close is a soft delete, and a very lazy move.  An edit, without editorializing is ideal" CreationDate="2021-06-23T05:10:04.627" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22846" PostId="6936" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter Yes, the reality is that closures are usually permanent. Edits can only do so much though, until someone invents a way to read someone’s mind over the internet. Omission of key facts can lead answers down a particular path and after the path has been trod, it’s difficult to get the question back on track." CreationDate="2021-06-23T13:11:31.833" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22847" PostId="6936" Score="0" Text="@alephzero You seem very ignorant of what most middle class ‘techie’ Americans are like. We had someone transfer from CA to TX who was surprised our company cafe served espresso. Ignorant people who assume stereotypes about places they’ve never been and people they’ve never met are true can be found in every corner of the world, including the UK apparently." CreationDate="2021-06-23T13:20:00.440" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22851" PostId="6936" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV Well, I have a few lifeboat and lifejacket badges, so t is nit really that hard.  All one needs to do is put in some effort.  I flipped one question from -9 to +50,  not every one, but a good trim can do wonders" CreationDate="2021-06-23T15:20:30.690" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22867" PostId="6936" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I’ve done my share of salvage edits on ELL, so I’m not arguing with you. Sometimes though the only person who can save a question is the author." CreationDate="2021-06-24T12:38:07.863" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22870" PostId="6936" Score="2" Text="@ColleenV I'm not arguing with you either.  My pet peeve is just the rush to close posts when the only problem is a non native English speaker, or a good post with a rant that needs to be removed,  Some are just gibberish and are rightly closed" CreationDate="2021-06-24T13:24:08.560" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22818" PostId="6937" Score="3" Text="I believe that &quot;Do not feed trolls&quot; principle fully applies in such cases." CreationDate="2021-06-13T01:12:40.467" UserId="13903" />
  <row Id="22823" PostId="6937" Score="0" Text="I'm not entirely sure that this is a troll. I read recently about someone who supposedly did this and made quite a bit of money. This person may be wondering if what happened was legit." CreationDate="2021-06-15T02:25:21.933" UserId="100425" />
  <row Id="22824" PostId="6937" Score="1" Text="Fraud is often a crime. So the question is basically asking to break the law, which is surely against the ToS for Stack Exchange." CreationDate="2021-06-15T12:18:11.850" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="22825" PostId="6937" Score="1" Text="Don't assume such things never happen. In a company I worked for, we once had a contractor who applied for two different full-time on-site contract positions, in different departments, working on different floors of the same office building. Having been offered both jobs, he accepted both of them and was not found out for several months. (And the reason he was found out was *not* because he wasn't doing the work required by both of his &quot;employers.&quot;)" CreationDate="2021-06-16T00:45:00.237" UserId="40357" />
  <row Id="22826" PostId="6937" Score="0" Text="@alephzero I'm not assuming that it doesn't happen - I'm saying that it's such an obviously bad idea that if someone asks us about it we shouldn't even take the question seriously. Incidentally, what did end up happening to the contractor once they found out about it?" CreationDate="2021-06-16T01:52:05.177" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="22881" PostId="6937" Score="0" Text="https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/174189/as-an-employee-what-exactly-is-the-problem-with-hiring-someone-else-to-do-your seems to have an obviously ridiculous premise. Let's see how it is handled..." CreationDate="2021-07-01T19:44:43.903" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22815" PostId="6938" Score="3" Text="There is a useful set of criteria on one of the main &quot;burnination&quot; meta posts, although the procedure described is massive overkill for our site: [When to burninate](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/239191)" CreationDate="2021-06-12T08:07:22.127" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22819" PostId="6938" Score="0" Text="Is there a reason why we need to burniate instead of just removing it from the 10 questions it’s on and letting it get deleted overnight?" CreationDate="2021-06-13T12:57:12.633" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22820" PostId="6938" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV That's what burnination is." CreationDate="2021-06-13T15:17:17.997" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="22822" PostId="6938" Score="1" Text="@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I associate burniation with more than 10 posts I guess. I’ve destroyed tags around that number of posts single-handedly when they have no description and there’s no consensus among the posts as to the meaning." CreationDate="2021-06-13T18:56:10.863" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22828" PostId="6938" Score="3" Text="I'd agree with removing this tag from questions.  As stated, the usage of the tag is so ambiguous that it's unhelpful." CreationDate="2021-06-16T05:33:31.327" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22830" PostId="6938" Score="1" Text="@Snow same here... based on what I read here I will proceed with the removal" CreationDate="2021-06-16T17:26:58.553" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22816" PostId="6939" Score="5" Text="I would perhaps update to &quot;Vote down, vote to close or delete, flag for moderator attention if necessary&quot;. Down and close votes are the key places to start with questions like this because they also make it more obvious that a post is problematic. The limited number of people who can delete questions also can't do so unless the post is scored negative." CreationDate="2021-06-12T08:10:48.507" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22817" PostId="6939" Score="2" Text="Edited to include that, good point." CreationDate="2021-06-12T21:44:16.720" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22821" PostId="6940" Score="1" Text="I up-voted because I agree that stupid/ridiculous should not be reasons to close. First, they are subjective. Second, free speech trumps almost anything, and silencing people is morally wrong by default. However, I think that the specific example given by the OP *should* be closed, because it asks for advice for performing an illegal activity (at least in most regions fraud is illegal)." CreationDate="2021-06-13T16:31:21.120" UserId="113790" />
  <row Id="22827" PostId="6940" Score="3" Text="@obe I think that most people would agree that the example I gave is an objectively ridiculous question. Also, I don't agree with the free speech argument - by that logic, we'd have to accept almost any content from almost anyone, which we don't." CreationDate="2021-06-16T01:56:37.227" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="22829" PostId="6940" Score="1" Text="@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica (1) sorry, while i agree about closing the fraud question, i don't think it's &quot;ridiculous&quot;. it may be considered a ridiculous act to ask a question about how to fraud people on stack exchange, but i don't see what makes the question itself ridiculous, (2) i meant free speech within the boundaries of what SE's *objective* rules permit. and IMO there can't (and shouldn't) be a rule against stupid/ridiculous because they are too subjective. when i say &quot;free speech&quot; in this context, i essentially mean to not silence people merely because what they say annoys us." CreationDate="2021-06-16T08:55:43.930" UserId="113790" />
  <row Id="22832" PostId="6941" Score="3" Text="And there's only ten questions, so bumping those with edits isn't likely to cause much in the way of disruption to the home page.  Some of those questions may even get better answers." CreationDate="2021-06-17T05:12:53.933" UserDisplayName="user124851" />
  <row Id="22882" PostId="6950" Score="3" Text="I'm with Burninating as well... very few questions with it and totally should have another tag like gender, etc." CreationDate="2021-07-08T17:29:56.563" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22883" PostId="6950" Score="5" Text="Strike three. I've removed/replaced it on a few questions already. Recommend we just slowly remove it until it's cleaned up. We could consider putting a synonym in to gender to avoid it being recreated." CreationDate="2021-07-08T18:23:20.227" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22890" PostId="6950" Score="3" Text="@Lilienthal good suggestion, I went and added such synonym (along with &quot;men&quot; to have balance)" CreationDate="2021-07-14T19:48:36.730" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22891" PostId="6950" Score="0" Text="Knew I forgot something. :) Thanks @DarkCygnus! Question can now be fully considered resolved." CreationDate="2021-07-14T19:50:58.660" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22884" PostId="6951" Score="1" Text="Best guess would be someone looked at estimates versus estimation and went with the right word but incorrect number. I see arguments both for removing it and renaming it." CreationDate="2021-07-08T21:08:06.617" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22885" PostId="6952" Score="0" Text="If you can provide a better answer than all of the existing answers to a question, why would that be awkward? It's actually pretty valuable in my opinion to put fresh eyes on old questions. I just put a bounty on an older question that attracted (in my opinion) an answer that was far superior to the existing ones when it got some attention after being bumped. Some older questions might need updating - things change and what might have made sense pre-pandemic doesn't make sense today." CreationDate="2021-07-09T16:24:14.543" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22886" PostId="6952" Score="1" Text="It's unlikely that someone who asked a question 5 years ago still cares about the answer to such a question." CreationDate="2021-07-09T16:31:14.680" UserId="88183" />
  <row Id="22887" PostId="6952" Score="12" Text="If you think our purpose here is to answer questions for each individual, you must have missed some parts of the [tour]. *With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about the workplace.* If the question is on-topic, it is something more than one person cares about." CreationDate="2021-07-09T16:48:09.960" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22888" PostId="6952" Score="3" Text="You could use the [questions](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions) page as your default rather than the Home if you're looking for questions that need attention (sorted to newest obviously). Been doing that for about as long as I've used the site. We have a few tag cleanup posts on meta right now which will up the numbers, but you're *always* going to see old questions bumped because of people reaching the site through a web search." CreationDate="2021-07-09T17:56:00.000" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22889" PostId="6954" Score="2" Text="Except it isn’t “estimates” it is “estimations”, which isn’t a variation, it’s a different word with a different meaning." CreationDate="2021-07-14T18:57:28.413" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22892" PostId="6954" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV I looked up the words in different dictionaries to confirm my understand of the words. While estimation can have several meanings, both [dictionary.com](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/estimation#) (definition 3) and [Oxford Dictionary](https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/estimation?q=estimation) (definition 2) state, in different words, that estimation can be an approximate calculation. However, given that there could be confusion as to the meaning, maybe it's best to rename the tag to `estimates`?" CreationDate="2021-07-14T20:05:20.933" UserId="98765" />
  <row Id="22893" PostId="6954" Score="0" Text="Yeah, I was thinking it should be “estimates” too, but I wasn’t sure if other people cared or even saw an issue." CreationDate="2021-07-14T20:09:21.063" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22894" PostId="6954" Score="0" Text="I, personally, did not see an issue until now. I always assumed that estimation stemmed from estimate, meaning approximate calculation. Only now did I learn that estimate could also be a judgment about the value of someone or something (and not specifically about the quantity of a number)." CreationDate="2021-07-14T20:12:53.253" UserId="98765" />
  <row Id="22898" PostId="6955" Score="6" Text="First of all I suggest you can start by addressing the comments people have asking for your feedback. Try addressing those concerns in your post, or kindly point the user suggesting to the part where you explain such topic." CreationDate="2021-07-16T03:50:14.183" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22899" PostId="6955" Score="17" Text="The only possible explanation for the downvotes seems to be the collective sense of outrage at your behaviour and thinking. Particularly, the idea that someone with a broken foot should &quot;just use crutches&quot;, even after departmental directors have decided that this remains a legitimate exception to any diktat against remote working." CreationDate="2021-07-16T05:01:28.030" UserId="117355" />
  <row Id="22900" PostId="6955" Score="15" Text="Posting on meta by feigning surprise about the number of downvotes is an excellent way to attract even more negative attention." CreationDate="2021-07-16T06:22:01.940" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22901" PostId="6955" Score="17" Text="What you can improve? Your attitude towards people with a medical condition." CreationDate="2021-07-16T06:53:38.783" UserId="59616" />
  <row Id="22906" PostId="6955" Score="5" Text="@Mari-LouA for the sake of precision this was originally posted on main and only [later migrated to meta](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/posts/6955/revisions) (not by OP). Can't really tell if this makes better or worse" CreationDate="2021-07-16T12:05:19.953" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23749" PostId="6956" Score="0" Text="To be fair, I totally can see OP getting fired for not following doing what he is told, if the memo said there were no exceptions, then there are no exceptions until the memo is corrected. IMO, both managers are being incompetent, since all they need to do is change the memo to include that X person was working remote until X." CreationDate="2023-09-12T15:31:30.933" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="22904" PostId="6957" Score="8" Text="I have to say I'm feeling more strongly about the premise then what you wrote. I think the premise is asking us to further a campaign of harassment and intimidation against a disabled employee (whose managers are okay with this!)" CreationDate="2021-07-16T11:12:33.677" UserId="44144" />
  <row Id="22902" PostId="6958" Score="3" Text="There is education for HR, at least in the Netherlands I worked with HR people who studied - loosely translated - labour and organisation psychology." CreationDate="2021-07-16T09:14:15.820" UserId="62865" />
  <row Id="22903" PostId="6958" Score="3" Text="Wow, that's cool. Our HR people are, best case, economics majors who had a course or two on HR issues as something they had to sit through." CreationDate="2021-07-16T09:35:42.627" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="22905" PostId="6958" Score="6" Text="In the US, there are Bachelor Degrees in Human Resources from schools like Cornell, Penn State and Rutgers." CreationDate="2021-07-16T11:58:37.277" UserId="26080" />
  <row Id="22909" PostId="6958" Score="1" Text="HR is also included in many undergraduate degree courses on management and similar subjects; some management degrees in the UK allow you to specialise in HR management." CreationDate="2021-07-16T15:58:45.090" UserId="94057" />
  <row Id="22913" PostId="6958" Score="3" Text="Not that it should require specialised HR training to understand why &quot;he can just use crutches&quot; is a bad idea." CreationDate="2021-07-17T04:33:34.527" UserId="65971" />
  <row Id="22908" PostId="6959" Score="6" Text="Yeah.  IMO either they are trolling or are just a terrible person I would fire in a hot minute if they were in my org.  Assume good faith leads me to choose troll I guess?" CreationDate="2021-07-16T15:54:29.217" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22914" PostId="6959" Score="3" Text="There is only so much good faith that can be assumed by a question worded like that and this one used up all the good faith quota it possibly could then some" CreationDate="2021-07-19T11:52:53.093" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="22921" PostId="6959" Score="0" Text="put down the crystal ball.  Poe's law" CreationDate="2021-07-26T01:55:15.047" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22922" PostId="6959" Score="1" Text="I hope he is trolling cause it really looks like he's a troll. What garbage human being would act like this in real life ?" CreationDate="2021-07-26T12:55:49.890" UserId="127517" />
  <row Id="23750" PostId="6959" Score="0" Text="@PowerCat anyone doing their job while the managers' can't change a memo, apparently or the situation would have been resolved when he hit the first manager, they just didn't do anything besides verbal confirmation, which carries 0 weight since it can't be proven." CreationDate="2023-09-12T15:33:59.303" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23751" PostId="6960" Score="0" Text="But isn't it his job to do so ? The rules might be overkill, but if it is his job to enforce them, then he is 100% right, and will still most likely be fired." CreationDate="2023-09-12T15:38:04.663" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23752" PostId="6960" Score="0" Text="@Or4ng3h4t According to the linked posting his &quot;boss doesn't want to pursue the matter further&quot;. Taking this into account as well as the fact that other managers don't see a problem too, then is it really his job? If I was the one unable to walk properly, nevertheless doing my work instead of be on sick leave, I'd try to move this person out of their job along with me, if nothing else helps." CreationDate="2023-09-14T15:00:51.653" UserId="83122" />
  <row Id="23753" PostId="6960" Score="0" Text="I get what you're saying loud and clear, but if I'm told to do my job and when I do everyone shrugs it off it makes you feel pretty useless and very bitter and punish the person who is not following said guidelines" CreationDate="2023-09-14T16:09:25.807" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23754" PostId="6960" Score="0" Text="Are you doing your job if &quot;boss doesn't want to pursue the matter further&quot; but you keep doing it?" CreationDate="2023-09-14T16:20:43.837" UserId="83122" />
  <row Id="22910" PostId="6962" Score="2" Text="&quot;As a side note you should hope that no one from your employer finds out about either of these threads as they will not look kindly upon you taking this internal issue public.&quot;&#xA;&#xA;I think this would be a BEST case scenario.  If I was one of these managing directors, and I saw either of these posts, I'd fire this HR person.  On. The. Spot." CreationDate="2021-07-16T20:15:59.683" UserId="69926" />
  <row Id="22915" PostId="6964" Score="0" Text="Possible Dupe. If not, surely a strongly related reading: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5441/73791" CreationDate="2021-07-20T00:24:15.907" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22916" PostId="6964" Score="1" Text="Does this answer your question? [The Question-Close Police](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5441/the-question-close-police)" CreationDate="2021-07-20T03:15:05.210" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22917" PostId="6964" Score="3" Text="this discussion has been had many times" CreationDate="2021-07-20T03:15:51.723" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22918" PostId="6964" Score="0" Text="I am asking more specifically about the company specific/legal close reason.  Many of the site closes are legitimate so a question that just complains about closes in general doesn’t answer my concern." CreationDate="2021-07-20T03:37:44.183" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="22919" PostId="6964" Score="3" Text="&quot;Why is this?&quot; - because some users enjoy closing questions more than helping others find answers. The specific close reason doesn't seem to matter." CreationDate="2021-07-20T11:54:16.303" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22920" PostId="6964" Score="2" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I do remember asking if it was possible to separate the RTC for Company Specific and Legal Advice a few years ago, since there was some confusion between the two" CreationDate="2021-07-21T08:11:25.437" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="22923" PostId="6966" Score="2" Text="Probably not, but when you start doing exotic and wonderful things with startups, they usually end up draining your wallet" CreationDate="2021-08-22T14:24:01.910" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22924" PostId="6966" Score="4" Text="We used to have a Startups site that [closed for inactivity](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/214315/what-happened-to-startups-se). That particular question reads like more of a [money.se] topic almost. I guess it's not explicitly off-topic here though I'm not sure it's something this community can effectively answer." CreationDate="2021-08-22T16:18:02.363" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22925" PostId="6966" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal, thanks for that first link... points to brightjourney.com, found many startup related discussions to do with equity and deferred compensation, although is less active now than early 2010s... Kilisi - yep that's my concern. There are tax issues too in the US" CreationDate="2021-08-22T17:10:32.047" UserId="124315" />
  <row Id="22926" PostId="6968" Score="1" Text="You got some great answers. Why worry that it's closed now? Currently you seem to be seeking a magic number. Obviously, there is no such number across companies. Any number would be company-specific. Most companies don't have a minimum. As currently constructed, your question reads only like a complaint, with an unanswerable question tacked on." CreationDate="2021-09-02T10:02:36.700" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22927" PostId="6968" Score="2" Text="Your question is no longer accepting new answers, but it’s scored high enough that not going to be deleted. What do you hope will happen if it’s reopened? Is there something unsatisfactory about the answer you accepted?" CreationDate="2021-09-02T11:27:18.793" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22928" PostId="6968" Score="1" Text="I echo a bit of what others have said. You already got 100+ vote answers... you even accepted one, which means you got your solution... I see it's a good post... what do you hope to get with opening it again?" CreationDate="2021-09-02T15:57:53.497" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22929" PostId="6969" Score="5" Text="It's a generic topic that's been discussed, some would say ad nauseam, over on main meta. Recommend you start from [How to overcome &quot;Edits must be at least 6 characters&quot;](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/81520) and the linked questions." CreationDate="2021-09-03T15:29:40.010" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22930" PostId="6969" Score="0" Text="&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;" CreationDate="2021-09-03T15:43:10.567" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22931" PostId="6969" Score="0" Text="&lt;!-- --&gt; &lt;!-- --&gt;" CreationDate="2021-09-03T15:45:28.203" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22932" PostId="6969" Score="2" Text="A tiny, single-character typographical error isn't worth fixing." CreationDate="2021-09-03T17:44:52.303" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22936" PostId="6969" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere Sometimes it is, especially for non English speakers here who have more trouble picking up the correct meaning through context. 'Sing' vrs 'sign', 'by' vrs 'buy' etc,..... the people who can do them don't need them approved, so I reckon it's fine even if they just add a fullstop. It doesn't interfere with anyone else and improves aesthetics." CreationDate="2021-09-07T01:05:40.303" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22937" PostId="6969" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi - we'll have to agree to disagree on that I guess." CreationDate="2021-09-07T01:20:02.933" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22938" PostId="6969" Score="2" Text="When you have enough rep (it's 2k; for the entire list see the privileges page) you can edit with no restrictions. Until then, simply post a comment to the OP pointing out the typo, it usually works and if the OP doesn't pick up on it someone else will." CreationDate="2021-09-07T07:00:08.563" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22940" PostId="6969" Score="1" Text="What I've yet to understand is why am I trusted to edit on three Stack Exchange sites but not network wide. Typos, misspellings, and poor formatting happen on any site,  regardless of the site's topic. Why should an edit by a trusted user still have to be approved by users who may have significantly fewer years of experience?" CreationDate="2021-09-07T07:45:32.187" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22941" PostId="6969" Score="0" Text="@Mari-LouA it's a privilege, it needs to be earned here, I don't think privileges earned elsewhere should count. Just because I'm an upstanding respectable member here, doesn't mean I'm not a troublesome nutcase elsewhere. It's the internet." CreationDate="2021-09-08T01:19:42.923" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22933" PostId="6970" Score="0" Text="Mods can make single character edits.  I don't believe the six-character limit goes away for other users, irrespective of rep." CreationDate="2021-09-06T09:00:36.180" UserId="128774" />
  <row Id="22935" PostId="6970" Score="1" Text="I am not a moderator and I can make single character edits. I usually only do it in the first few hours of a question or answer to limit the bumping impact." CreationDate="2021-09-06T12:55:29.643" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="22939" PostId="6970" Score="2" Text="Once you have earned 2k edits are immediately approved, there's no need for it to enter the suggested edit review queue, which in my experience, on TWP can take as long as a day." CreationDate="2021-09-07T07:06:04.570" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22942" PostId="6970" Score="1" Text="Just thought you might be interested to hear that SE has recently announced accepted answers on SO will no longer be pinned at the top of the page. If you are and others are interested in adopting the same change for TWP, you have until September 18.   https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/369568/unpinning-the-accepted-answer-from-the-top-of-the-list-of-answers P.S I'm presuming that this proposal has not been communicated to moderators across the network." CreationDate="2021-09-09T18:23:07.067" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22943" PostId="6970" Score="0" Text="@Mari-LouA other mods might be interested. Doesn't seem like a good idea to me." CreationDate="2021-09-09T22:54:13.940" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22944" PostId="6970" Score="0" Text="It seems you're not interested in taking this any further but you should because there's a chance, however slim, it might be implemented across the network." CreationDate="2021-09-10T00:14:28.950" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22945" PostId="6970" Score="0" Text="@Mari-LouA que sera sera" CreationDate="2021-09-10T02:53:06.357" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22946" PostId="6971" Score="0" Text="If it has no description then we should focus on giving it one :) I see 42 questions currently, and the tag dates back to 2012... so yes, editing its wiki seems recommended." CreationDate="2021-09-13T23:34:00.030" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22947" PostId="6971" Score="5" Text="In actual usage, its implementation seems rather random and of little to no value. At least I'm not seeing any common understanding of intent among the 42 questions. I'd get rid of it. IMHO, fewer is better." CreationDate="2021-09-14T01:08:26.543" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22948" PostId="6971" Score="1" Text="I don't see any reason to keep it." CreationDate="2021-09-14T04:52:37.553" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22949" PostId="6971" Score="2" Text="+1 on deletion, adding tag." CreationDate="2021-09-14T15:23:55.657" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22950" PostId="6971" Score="1" Text="Digging into the uses of the tag, I see that some posts will be left without any tag, and some with only one tag if we reach consensus to remove it. I noticed that most of the single case uses were made by a single user. In any cases we would have to replace for a proper replacement (browsing I saw about 4,5 that only have that tag)... I'm now more inclined and agree with the other comments above (go for deletion), although we still have to consider a replacement tag for some of those posts, case by case..." CreationDate="2021-09-14T23:02:37.127" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="22951" PostId="6973" Score="1" Text="How do we know whether a question is tagged properly if we don't know the intended meaning of the tag? Shouldn't we write the tag wiki first? Or are you assuming that there is some question in that list that has a topic that isn't already covered by the existing 540 or so tags?" CreationDate="2021-09-15T15:00:01.240" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22952" PostId="6973" Score="0" Text="This step takes time and effort." CreationDate="2021-09-15T15:19:55.353" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="22953" PostId="6973" Score="1" Text="That doesn't help me understand how we are supposed to know whether the tag belongs on a question or not. I don't think we can know that if we don't agree on what it should be used for." CreationDate="2021-09-15T15:22:57.923" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22954" PostId="6974" Score="0" Text="Closed questions aren't deleted if they have upvoted answers. The answers aren't going to disappear because the question is closed. The only reason to leave a question open would be to attract more answers, so the question &quot;What kind of additional answers are you hoping to receive when your question is reopened?&quot; helps to understand whether there is a failing in the current answers, or whether the author has confused &quot;closing&quot; with a prelude to deletion." CreationDate="2021-09-17T13:36:53.193" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22955" PostId="6974" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV `The only reason to leave a question open would be to attract more answers` since when do  popular questions with good answers get closed when the OP accepts an answer? I've seen moderators delete highly upvoted questions that had attracted over 15 answers, and once an answer that earned over 50 upvotes was deleted by a mod on EL&amp;U albeit many moons ago. Furthermore it is not true that upvoted but closed questions with upvoted answers are immune from deletion. They are immune from being deleted by the *system* but not by human mods." CreationDate="2021-09-17T20:50:19.613" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="22956" PostId="6974" Score="0" Text="@Mari-LouA Reopening the question does nothing to protect it from moderator action." CreationDate="2021-09-17T22:27:20.773" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22961" PostId="6975" Score="3" Text="Well, technically they are listed from highest to lowest votes only if you've chosen that particular sort order. Unpinning the accepted answer just means that answer gets sorted as if it didn't have a green checkmark." CreationDate="2021-09-20T15:03:49.987" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23012" PostId="6975" Score="2" Text="We now have +15 for Pin (current situation) and +7 for Unpin. I believe that's consensus on keeping the pin. Shall we report back to the main meta as such. (ping @ColleenV for good measure)" CreationDate="2021-10-03T14:27:10.833" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23018" PostId="6975" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal and if we only count the upvotes it's still a consensus at 21 (22 if my vote is counted) to 11, and it's more obvious how many people weighed in :)" CreationDate="2021-10-06T14:31:19.427" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23027" PostId="6975" Score="3" Text="**Update** - I've confirmed site consensus is to keep the Pin." CreationDate="2021-10-07T15:28:42.583" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22957" PostId="6976" Score="0" Text="I don't think SE will implement this, though [accepted answer only means that it helps the asker the most, nothing indicating if it's the best/correct answer](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/accepted-answer)." CreationDate="2021-09-20T12:47:09.563" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="22958" PostId="6976" Score="0" Text="I suppose my point is, who cares if it helps the asker? Why does that matter?" CreationDate="2021-09-20T12:55:10.777" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="22959" PostId="6976" Score="4" Text="Because people are interested in knowing [which answer(s) the OP follows](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3255/adding-an-after-the-facts)?" CreationDate="2021-09-20T13:01:51.950" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="22960" PostId="6976" Score="0" Text="I agree that the accepted answer isn't necessarily the right one for all situations. But neither is the highest voted. In fact I have seen answers with negative votes that in my opinion are the best. So by that logic we could just have the answers randomly listed. I'd prefer at least the OP's choice at the top, and then the highest voted etc,..... better than nothing to go on." CreationDate="2021-09-20T13:10:15.827" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22962" PostId="6976" Score="3" Text="I think throwing away the idea of acceptance instead of just the method of making that answer more visible would throw the baby out with the bath water. It would be better just to replace &quot;pinning/not pinning&quot; with something better." CreationDate="2021-09-20T15:06:45.127" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22963" PostId="6976" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV yeah, I don't see anything being gained" CreationDate="2021-09-20T15:14:00.483" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22966" PostId="6976" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi I don't really care about which one they tick. I care about the outcome, sure. But accepting an answer doesn't hint at the outcome, or even what the OP will do." CreationDate="2021-09-21T02:15:45.763" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="22967" PostId="6976" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV I think you misunderstand me. I want neither the tick, nor the answer to be more visibile." CreationDate="2021-09-21T02:16:34.057" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="22968" PostId="6976" Score="0" Text="I think allowing the person who asked the question to indicate which answer (if any) they felt answered their question has value and we shouldn’t get rid of the concept altogether." CreationDate="2021-09-21T09:55:07.410" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22972" PostId="6976" Score="1" Text="Strongly disagree. Very often having the OP indicate which answer they personally found the most useful to their situation has tremendous value. Of course, there are always situations where multiple answers are good but there we still often see question posters marking one particular as a standout, sometimes with a comment explaining why. That's useful information, why get rid of it? There *are* cases where an Accept check does more harm than good but they are few and far between in my view." CreationDate="2021-09-22T19:27:51.680" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22978" PostId="6976" Score="0" Text="&quot;An &quot;accept&quot; has about as much merit as a single up-vote&quot; - strictly speaking, you're probably right. For any future visitor, how people interpret the details given in the question and what experts believe is best should be much more important than what the actual situation was for OP or which decision (however good or bad) they ultimately ended up making (this seems primarily useful for historical reference, which is not what this site is about). But it *is* something a lot of people seem to care about, and it is nice to formally tell an answerer they helped you, or have OP tell you this. ..." CreationDate="2021-09-23T11:16:56.997" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="22979" PostId="6976" Score="1" Text="... So I don't think the accepted answer should be on top, but I do think the site has enough of a personal element to it to justify keeping the idea of acceptance. I do feel that the personal element is probably the biggest hurdle in the way of maximising future value, and we should probably tone that done in some ways, but it also helps to motivate people." CreationDate="2021-09-23T11:17:04.697" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="22980" PostId="6976" Score="0" Text="@NotThatGuy Well articulated." CreationDate="2021-09-23T13:51:17.247" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="22971" PostId="6978" Score="3" Text="Vastly preferable for our site in my view. Just look at the way HNQ affect us. With the Accepted Answer pin, at least the original poster can still indicate which (detailed, exhaustive) answer helped them the most. That is *always* a good thing but doubly so on a site like ours where complex answers are often more useful for the situations people find themselves in." CreationDate="2021-09-22T19:23:49.973" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22973" PostId="6978" Score="0" Text="I realized after I posted all the CWs that I couldn't vote on any of them, so count my upvote on @Lilienthal's comment as my vote on this :) In general, I think pinning is a bad implementation of a good idea, but since there's only the option to pin/not pin at the moment, I'll support keeping the pinning on TWP." CreationDate="2021-09-22T19:28:09.700" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22974" PostId="6978" Score="0" Text="As that makes this a net +7 with all other options at 0 or below, I'd say that's consensus, though perhaps not a quorum. I'll ping Kilisi if he wants to proceed with updating the parent post with our site's verdict. I don't expect answers that'll trickle in in the coming days to change this much." CreationDate="2021-09-22T19:34:26.783" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22976" PostId="6978" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I wonder if it would make sense to only count upvotes? Not everyone is downvoting the options they don't want. We really need a better way to gather community feedback than abusing the Q&amp;A system." CreationDate="2021-09-22T20:54:55.503" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22977" PostId="6978" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal Why does it matter to have the original poster indicate which answer helped them most? The original poster got their answer, so this indicator is not helpful to them. For any given random future visitor, it seems that community consensus would be a much more reliable indicator of which answer they'd find most useful (even with how flawed voting is). Unless we want some sort of historic record or to vote on answers based on how helpful the asker found them (instead of based on their own merits), but I don't believe either of those things are in line with [se]'s goal." CreationDate="2021-09-22T21:30:21.283" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="22981" PostId="6978" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV Not sure I understand the issue? We consider net post score so the ratio of up to downvotes ultimately shouldn't matter provided there's a clear winner in upvotes? This is basically the way meta has worked since for ever so I'm not sure there's anything else that can or should be done?" CreationDate="2021-09-23T18:19:57.980" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22982" PostId="6978" Score="0" Text="@NotThatGuy Don't really fancy jumping into that discussion, there's probably plenty of arguments in both ways on main meta and on the linked thread in particular. I consider it valuable before we even consider HNQ impact. Add HNQ and pinning has a clear preference for me." CreationDate="2021-09-23T18:21:15.093" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22983" PostId="6978" Score="0" Text="If I only upvote my desired answer @Lilienthal, but you both upvote your desired answer and downvote all the options you don't want, you've increased the power of your vote because I didn't think to downvote the other options. If we all behaved consistently, it wouldn't be an issue but I don't think we are consistent. I'm saying only the upvotes on pin/unpin should be counted when reporting the results back to SE, not the score." CreationDate="2021-09-23T18:24:01.180" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22984" PostId="6978" Score="0" Text="(Also, we  can upvote at 15 rep, but it takes 125 to downvote. Not a big effect, but it's just one more reason I think the way we get feedback on meta is uh &quot;less than ideal&quot;)" CreationDate="2021-09-23T18:31:21.000" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22985" PostId="6978" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV Well, technically you have no way of knowing who has downvoted what. But the point of meta is to express agreement *or* disagreement through votes. Anyone can do the same. (with the rep, sure, but that goes for most participating on meta.) People who strongly (dis)agree are more likely to vote in both ways, but how is this a bad thing exactly? Even assuming there's bias that people likely to do this vote in a certain way, we have no way of determining whether that bias would even be problematic. That said, we're rapidly going off-track here. I guess we'll hold off on a verdict." CreationDate="2021-09-23T19:34:34.967" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="22986" PostId="6978" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal I haven't expressed it right. We're asking for a binary decision: Pin/Don't Pin except some unknown number of people are voting &quot;yes Pin/no Don't pin&quot; and others &quot;no Pin/yes Don't pin&quot;, and some others just &quot;yes Pin&quot;, and some others just &quot;yes Don't Pin&quot;. I'm proposing we only count the yes votes (upvotes) and disregard the no votes (downvotes). But in reality it doesn't matter, because the answer is the same regardless of whether we consider score or upvotes. Sorry, I think this compulsion of mine is genetic; be grateful my dad isn't here too ;)" CreationDate="2021-09-23T20:11:04.810" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22975" PostId="6979" Score="2" Text="+1, but I'm not really surprised no-one is voting for this. The community doesn't care at all about future value." CreationDate="2021-09-22T20:34:03.380" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="22964" PostId="6980" Score="1" Text="So, ideally the accepted answer and the top voted answer would be shown side-by-side?" CreationDate="2021-09-20T17:43:21.373" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22969" PostId="6981" Score="0" Text="+1. Very interesting proposition! It could lead to several issues, but I didn't like seeing this answer have a score of -1. You might find this (related) suggestion of mine interesting too: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/369835/391772" CreationDate="2021-09-21T23:56:13.633" UserId="97330" />
  <row Id="22970" PostId="6982" Score="0" Text="+1. Originally this answer: https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/369835/391772 only talked about rep, but now I've added your suggestion about &quot;tag badges&quot; too :)" CreationDate="2021-09-21T23:57:13.140" UserId="97330" />
  <row Id="22987" PostId="6982" Score="1" Text="Stack exchange is already considered hostile to newbies, this would only compound the problem. In addition, it effectively means votes are useless." CreationDate="2021-09-29T11:49:53.590" UserId="126151" />
  <row Id="22988" PostId="6982" Score="0" Text="@EkadhSingh-ReinstateMonica yep, I was just putting up all options I could think of" CreationDate="2021-09-29T11:51:45.433" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22989" PostId="6982" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi ah, fair enough." CreationDate="2021-09-29T11:53:31.170" UserId="126151" />
  <row Id="22990" PostId="6984" Score="0" Text="I had no idea it was trendy, but I know little about Brazil" CreationDate="2021-09-30T13:05:18.323" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22995" PostId="6984" Score="1" Text="I was a laborer, a sign maker, retail worker, and deliveryman before becoming an IT worker.  Kilisi has a similar background.  Goth is long dead, replaced by Emo, and then God knows what." CreationDate="2021-09-30T16:23:03.137" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="22996" PostId="6984" Score="6" Text="You don't think &quot;fashion&quot; is opinion-based?" CreationDate="2021-09-30T17:06:09.053" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22997" PostId="6984" Score="4" Text="&quot;I'm a senior manager at a small-ish IT company.&quot; - that means the OP isn't a member of an alternative rock band at work, right?" CreationDate="2021-09-30T17:09:52.157" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="22999" PostId="6984" Score="4" Text="If the question is edited to clarify location in the body as well (tags are usually missed), I guess it's on-topic. Though I'm not sure there's much that can really be said in such a specific question. The answer is always going to be &quot;it depends&quot; and that goes for pretty much any place or industry in the world. OP basically answered their own question by describing how there's essentially no dress code to speak of so all that remains is how it's viewed culturally which might be outside of our scope." CreationDate="2021-09-30T18:49:39.760" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23002" PostId="6984" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I added the location to the body of the question." CreationDate="2021-10-01T13:23:52.483" UserId="29127" />
  <row Id="23008" PostId="6984" Score="0" Text="@T.Sar Thanks! I've made some small further edits to the question and after agreement from another mod that it's on-topic I've cast a third and binding reopen vote." CreationDate="2021-10-01T16:00:03.093" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23009" PostId="6984" Score="0" Text="@T.Sar Personally, I think it's a bad idea, but I gave my best answer, according to the culture of your country" CreationDate="2021-10-01T16:16:42.227" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23013" PostId="6984" Score="3" Text="@Revenant_Evil &quot;Goth is long dead&quot; - I believe you mean it's not trendy any more? My wife happens to be goth and many of her friends are too. But they tend to stick to lifetsyles that make them feel themselves rather than following a trend." CreationDate="2021-10-04T16:54:09.583" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="23014" PostId="6984" Score="0" Text="@Clockwork Correct.  It's a dead fad.  There are still people who enjoy the lifestyle, hell, there are still Punk Rockers out there.  It's just not mainstream any longer.  I think younger generation is dressing up in Anime style." CreationDate="2021-10-04T18:19:32.723" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23017" PostId="6984" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Music related businesses need IT services too. IT doesn't necessarily mean that their clients are more comfortable with people who dress like corporate drones than people who dress like counterculture creatives." CreationDate="2021-10-06T14:24:16.063" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23019" PostId="6984" Score="1" Text="@Revenant_Evil There is a difference between a subculture and a fad. Sometimes aesthetics from this or that subculture gets borrowed into mainstream for a bit and then gets out of fashion after a while, but that doesn't mean the subculture is dead. _That said_, even as a fad goth is nowhere near dead - It is just not the weirdest thing on the streets anymore." CreationDate="2021-10-06T16:50:18.057" UserId="29127" />
  <row Id="23020" PostId="6984" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV Nobody I know in IT dresses like corporate drones.  Hell, we're responsible for Business Casual because we refused to wear suits and ties, and we did it en masse." CreationDate="2021-10-06T18:21:54.393" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23021" PostId="6984" Score="0" Text="@T.Sar and there are still Punk Rockers out there.  Most Goths were &quot;Playgans&quot; who outgrew it." CreationDate="2021-10-06T18:24:00.780" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23022" PostId="6984" Score="0" Text="@Revenant_Evil I exaggerated to draw your attention to my point :) I view &quot;corporate&quot; as style so bland I don't notice what someone is wearing, which is exactly the point. I enjoy seeing someone with some spicy red cowboy boots on, or socks with Fallout's Pipboy guy on them. If a person has black nail polish on, it tells me a little more about them as an individual and I think it's a good thing." CreationDate="2021-10-06T18:26:38.943" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23023" PostId="6984" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV Yeah, when I was younger, I followed the dress code to the letter, not the word.  The dress code said &quot;button down shirt.  I had one that was black, with flames all over it, one thathad anime character on the back, full length of the shirt, loud colors......  &quot;I obey the letter of the law, not the word&quot;  That said, My advice is always on the more conservative side because I am not as brave with other people's careers as I am with my own" CreationDate="2021-10-06T18:38:39.643" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23024" PostId="6984" Score="1" Text="@Revenant_Evil It's always a judgment call where, when, and whether to express your personal identity at work. I was a punk rock girl back in the day, but I'd feel pretty dumb expressing that as an old upper middle class engineer, even though I still like the music. It's just not the most relevant part of me these days." CreationDate="2021-10-06T18:57:53.670" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23028" PostId="6984" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi while small-ish IT companies are not super formal / corporate (and it seems to be the case from his description), Brazil is a very sexist country. The south, where OP is, is also particularly traditionalist. I'd say that it is better if OP &quot;scouts&quot; out his peers' opinion on the matter before bringing in the polish" CreationDate="2021-10-08T09:47:57.823" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="23029" PostId="6984" Score="2" Text="@JulianaKarasawaSouza you should build an answer around that idea. To me it's easier just to do it and deal with any complaints if they arise rather than invent problems that need solving" CreationDate="2021-10-08T10:07:52.340" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23030" PostId="6984" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Revenant_Evil's answer is pretty good, I think that my proposal would be just a minor addition to it" CreationDate="2021-10-08T11:04:37.513" UserId="106759" />
  <row Id="22991" PostId="6985" Score="3" Text="Should have a reason for wearing the polish and why it has to be black." CreationDate="2021-09-30T13:12:04.923" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22992" PostId="6985" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi Men wearing black nail polish has been popular in the Goth subculture for at least a decade. It's becoming more mainstream, especially as people are feeling more comfortable crossing traditional gender boundaries with their clothing. The reason the woman who asked [Can I wear a tank top to work?](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/171644/wear-a-tank-top-to-work?noredirect=1&amp;lq=1) had for wearing a tank top was &quot;because I want to&quot;. I think you're wrong about this being a troll, but even if you aren't, the answers would be of value." CreationDate="2021-09-30T13:45:26.747" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="22993" PostId="6985" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV ok, not something I'm familiar with." CreationDate="2021-09-30T13:52:39.503" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="22998" PostId="6985" Score="3" Text="Isn't this an answer to the question linked rather than any comment on the merits or otherwise of reopening it?" CreationDate="2021-09-30T18:46:16.343" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23000" PostId="6985" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal Dammit, I'm too clever by half" CreationDate="2021-09-30T19:15:04.943" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23001" PostId="6985" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi I'm looking to wear black nail polish because I like the look of it and it is part of the subculture I frequent outside work hours. Additionaly, it helps me to avoid biting my nails, which is a huge plus." CreationDate="2021-10-01T12:13:57.623" UserId="29127" />
  <row Id="23007" PostId="6985" Score="0" Text="@T.Sar What does that have to do with WORK???\" CreationDate="2021-10-01T15:57:31.033" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23010" PostId="6985" Score="0" Text="@T.Sar seems reasonable to me. I used clear polish on my long thumbnail for a while to protect the nail for guitar. Removing it for work every day would have been a big hassle. I edited the reasons into the original question (which has already been reopened)." CreationDate="2021-10-01T23:19:30.133" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23004" PostId="6986" Score="1" Text="&quot; region, industry, type of company, the role of the OP, and the company dress code&quot; - All of those are now on the question." CreationDate="2021-10-01T13:47:33.137" UserId="29127" />
  <row Id="23011" PostId="6986" Score="5" Text="... and I wish we'd be much more harsh on people posting overly specific, Reddit-like questions, hoping to receive a dozen answers that won't help anyone else, and pick one that most tells them what they want to hear as accepted. Stack Exchange sites won't profit from those kinds of questions. ... Have you actually ever bothered to read through the Help Center and Tour on this site? You may be surprised to find that posting questions that help others is actually pretty high on the list of priorities, which suggests that you're simply trying to enforce your own preferences here." CreationDate="2021-10-03T01:45:12.717" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="23015" PostId="6986" Score="1" Text="@NotThatGuy [&quot;you have it backwards, I think...&quot;](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/255019/839601)" CreationDate="2021-10-05T07:44:13.930" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23016" PostId="6986" Score="1" Text="@gnat The text of your comment suggests that you disagree with me, but the link you provided expresses the same sentiment that I tried to express, so I'll assume that either you're expressing the same sentiment as I am or you simply misunderstood. By &quot;help others&quot; I mean help people *other than* OP." CreationDate="2021-10-05T08:36:59.537" UserId="10582" />
  <row Id="23025" PostId="6990" Score="0" Text="I have removed from my answer part of going to HR and clarified being forthright means towards others who are giving the OP inappropriate attention. I also condensed my personal experiences in the US , but maintained its use as an example of how social interactions between opposite gender colleagues can be acceptable, and still wholly professional. Could you think of retracting your downvote?" CreationDate="2021-10-07T01:38:14.703" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="23005" PostId="6991" Score="0" Text="However, if we assume the OP had good intent, where does the men jump to conclusion that she may be making sexual advances? Is that not an overreaction? If OP said something flirtatious, I would understand then. How was it a white knight rant when I specifically said she should not be afraid to be forthright and stand up for herself if needed? I was not swooping in to help as that would have been sexist, as OP would be lesser , rather an equal with rights not to be harassed? If I was a women, I don't want to be seen as fragile" CreationDate="2021-10-01T15:16:27.573" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="23006" PostId="6991" Score="4" Text="@Anthony It's not about what YOU would do in her place, it's what SHE should do in her place. Perhaps you missed the part where you crapped all over her culture?  India does not WANT to be 'Murica.  Your advice was so wrong, I can't believe it hasn't fallen to double negative digits" CreationDate="2021-10-01T15:35:27.003" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23026" PostId="6991" Score="0" Text="I have removed from my answer part of going to HR, parts that were condescending, and clarified being forthright means towards others who are giving the OP inappropriate attention. I also condensed my personal experiences in the US , but maintained its use as an example of how social interactions between opposite gender colleagues can be friendly, and still wholly professional. I also removed the suggestion that the men may have bad motives. Could you consider retracting your downvote?" CreationDate="2021-10-07T01:42:11.913" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="23031" PostId="6993" Score="0" Text="I reopened it, I agree that it both a useful and answerable question." CreationDate="2021-10-15T00:33:40.873" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23039" PostId="6994" Score="0" Text="I flagged that answer as “not an answer,” so I hope it was removed for that reason.  It is in no way better than a “why don’t you go Google it” answer, and demonstrates no experience with the topic." CreationDate="2021-10-22T01:36:00.663" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="23040" PostId="6994" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk You're actually wrong. It's not a &quot;why don't you go Google it&quot; answer, it's a &quot;get a 3rd party organisation to assist with this&quot;. Even if you are a survey company yourself, you should get a 3rd party to do it. Pity that author can't clarify this point." CreationDate="2021-10-22T01:41:02.357" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23041" PostId="6994" Score="0" Text="Oh no, we’re missing a bad answer to a bad question.  If they have a better answer, they should help workshop and improve the question to get it opened and then submit their better answer." CreationDate="2021-10-22T03:08:38.247" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="23042" PostId="6994" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk If the community deleted the answer, I have less of a problem. If the moderators decide to delete &quot;bad&quot; answers, as opposed to troll answers (or abusive answers etc.), then it's a bit of a slippery slope. Quite frankly, deleting bad answers is not their role." CreationDate="2021-10-22T03:18:14.357" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23043" PostId="6994" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk And it's not a bad answer in any case. Probably could be elaborated on, but some variation of the answer would make for a great answer." CreationDate="2021-10-22T03:19:19.873" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23044" PostId="6994" Score="0" Text="Those flag reasons exist so mods can act on them.  It’s how the system is designed." CreationDate="2021-10-22T03:42:34.073" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="23045" PostId="6994" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk Very mature of your to suggest I sam sad for raising the question. From Stack Exchange: &quot;Moderators are human exception handlers, there to deal with those exceptional conditions that could otherwise disrupt the community.&quot;. Exceptional conditions, not deleting bad answers because someone flagged it." CreationDate="2021-10-22T03:46:37.537" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23046" PostId="6994" Score="0" Text="@mxyzplk For instance, I just flagged your comment calling me sad for being &quot;unfriendly or unkind&quot;. Out of the listed reasons, &quot;bad answer&quot; is not there." CreationDate="2021-10-22T03:47:40.630" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23047" PostId="6994" Score="0" Text="“Not an answer” is however." CreationDate="2021-10-22T13:23:06.100" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="23050" PostId="6994" Score="1" Text="It seems to me that the OP was more curious about what goes into an employee survey than setting up one. Wouldn't consulting a 3rd party firm involve some kind of payment? The deleted answer is the response to a different, perhaps implied,  specific request, what to do or where to go if you want to set up a survey in your company. I don't think the answer was &quot;good&quot; (it definitely lacks details), but I don't think it was so off-topic to warrant a deletion." CreationDate="2021-10-24T07:38:28.220" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23033" PostId="6995" Score="0" Text="I view it more as: &quot;Any tips for developing your own crypto library?&quot;, with an answer of: &quot;No, don't do that. Use an existing library.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-10-21T10:52:14.797" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23034" PostId="6995" Score="0" Text="For clarity, you don't involve a 3rd party because you want them to teach you, you involve them to conduct it." CreationDate="2021-10-21T10:59:33.753" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23035" PostId="6996" Score="0" Text="It's not that obvious to be fair." CreationDate="2021-10-21T15:17:09.550" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23036" PostId="6996" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie Really? I mean a *lot* of employees in corporate America have taken an employee survey that was conducted by a different company. Even if someone hasn't heard of a third party survey vendor, how helpful is &quot;they exist, go find one&quot;?" CreationDate="2021-10-21T15:23:37.820" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23037" PostId="6996" Score="0" Text="What has corporate America got to do with this?" CreationDate="2021-10-21T22:10:14.910" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23038" PostId="6997" Score="0" Text="It's heavy handed because I don't believe you should be using your executive rights to flat out delete answers that YOU think could be clarified. I can't even vote to reopen the answer. You should reserve that power for answers that are troll answers and let the community self-regulate." CreationDate="2021-10-21T22:13:15.627" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23048" PostId="6997" Score="1" Text="If I think there's value in a post but it needs additional work I'll leave a comment instead. I just don't agree that two-sentence contributions like this constitute good faith answers that deserve to be kept. Short answers certainly *can* be good and comprehensive, they just usually aren't, as was the case here. If a veteran poster like this feels they have a more substantial point to make, they could simply repost a more detailed answer. Though not here of course since the question was closed. But I suspect we'll each stick with our own point of view on this one." CreationDate="2021-10-22T18:05:29.250" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23049" PostId="6997" Score="0" Text="I actually can't believe you are suggesting Michael McFarlane's answer was not posted in good faith. But okay." CreationDate="2021-10-23T02:08:34.723" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23051" PostId="6998" Score="2" Text="Search first, to see if it has already been asked and answered. Otherwise, go for it!" CreationDate="2021-10-24T15:25:36.150" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23052" PostId="6998" Score="2" Text="If you want to make doubly sure you could post the body of the question you'd ask on Meta here first to gather feedback before you post it on the main site. That can give you some time to improve the question if it would be useful or necessary to make it on-topic. But you can also just post it and edit it on the fly as needed." CreationDate="2021-10-24T18:21:03.320" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23057" PostId="6998" Score="0" Text="Just make sure there is something actionable and it’s not just a gripe. “My boss did this I hate that don’t you hate it too” will get closed.  “How do I achieve X goal when faced with behavior Y from my boss” is on topic." CreationDate="2021-11-02T13:59:52.793" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="23053" PostId="7000" Score="0" Text="I am glad this question is reopened. I thought it should never have been closed. The fact that they work together certainly makes the situation different." CreationDate="2021-10-29T08:57:22.103" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23054" PostId="7001" Score="2" Text="I sort of wish mods could have the ability to vote as a regular user in situations such as this. (Obviously while retaining the ability to &quot;hammer it open&quot; as required)" CreationDate="2021-10-29T08:58:59.587" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23055" PostId="7001" Score="2" Text="@GregoryCurrie yeah I suppose a sort of &quot;light tap&quot; with the hammer instead of a full swing would probably be useful at times." CreationDate="2021-10-29T14:04:01.923" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="23056" PostId="7001" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie It's annoying in cases where as a user you want to vote a certain way that you wouldn't want to as a moderator, but thankfully it doesn't come up that often. What I usually do in that case is just ping my fellow mods or ask on chat. If 2-3 mods agree it's fine that's usually sufficient justification to sledgehammer it open. ;)" CreationDate="2021-10-29T20:51:00.173" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23059" PostId="7003" Score="1" Text="Pretty clearly answerable with no need to delve deeply into lawyerese so I reopened it." CreationDate="2021-11-05T20:14:12.703" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23061" PostId="7004" Score="3" Text="&quot;good reason&quot; is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I think too many questions are closed too quickly. Others clearly disagree." CreationDate="2021-11-13T12:25:52.650" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23062" PostId="7004" Score="1" Text="&quot;Since the user base is different now&quot; - the user base is larger, and has different people. But I doubt that the *nature* of the user base is different now." CreationDate="2021-11-13T12:27:33.813" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23063" PostId="7004" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere&#xA;The nature of the closed question seems to have changed a lot since then. When I go through the list in the meta post linked, most of the questions closed for being opinion based are actually wide open.&#xA;When I look at the question closed now for being opinion based, it seems they are higher quality.&#xA;I wonder whether there was a close reason &quot;Needs a goal&quot; 7 years ago, because those seemed to have been a way better close reason for many of the items." CreationDate="2021-11-13T12:31:45.013" UserId="99412" />
  <row Id="23064" PostId="7004" Score="1" Text="(shrug) I don't see much difference. Either way, I doubt this close reason will be removed. As you noted, we've had this discussion before." CreationDate="2021-11-13T12:49:55.527" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23065" PostId="7004" Score="0" Text="Regardless of the outcome of this discussion, I kind of doubt if it is possible to be changed/removed because this is one of the standard close reasons that apply to *all* SE sites." CreationDate="2021-11-13T13:24:43.857" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="23066" PostId="7004" Score="0" Text="@AndrewT. is there a way to find out, whether it is possible?" CreationDate="2021-11-13T13:43:56.953" UserId="99412" />
  <row Id="23067" PostId="7004" Score="0" Text="Need to get the answer from SE staff directly. A mod may add [meta-tag:status-review] to request attention from SE staff if it is worth it." CreationDate="2021-11-13T13:46:07.753" UserId="28728" />
  <row Id="23068" PostId="7004" Score="0" Text="@AndrewT. To my knowledge there is no way to modify the default close reasons of which the opinion-based reason is one. At the site level we can only work with our community-specific close reasons. You'd have to bring it up on main [meta.se]." CreationDate="2021-11-13T20:44:48.510" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23069" PostId="7004" Score="1" Text="As to the question asked here: as mentioned the topic has been discussed at length before and the consensus has always been that while we should be careful not to jump the gun with closing questions too often (instead prefer to edit them to focus on an answerable question), this close reason just like the others serves a purpose. Read through some of the related questions as well, they go into more detail. I doubt anything new can really be said on the topic." CreationDate="2021-11-13T20:49:31.713" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23078" PostId="7004" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere The policy of some people at TWP is that they won't close a post without &quot;Just cause&quot;&#xA;&#xA;Unfortunately, they interpret that as &quot;Just cause we felt like it&quot;" CreationDate="2021-12-13T14:40:25.943" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23070" PostId="7005" Score="1" Text="If you've quoted directly from the article, you probably should format those bits as block quotes." CreationDate="2021-11-16T17:10:35.323" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23071" PostId="7006" Score="0" Text="I think [tag:academia] should be about working in academia, and [tag:academia] for something. Maybe [tag:academia] can be renamed to academic-qualifications?" CreationDate="2021-11-22T20:42:55.957" UserId="98765" />
  <row Id="23072" PostId="7008" Score="0" Text="That was always a bit obnoxious, IMO.  Never liked that phrasing.  I like the phrasing of  &quot;Questions require a goal that we can address.&quot;" CreationDate="2021-11-29T21:18:24.183" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23073" PostId="7010" Score="0" Text="Does this happen with other Stacks you participate on? With other answers or just this one? To narrow it down and see if this is site-wide (and thus, more adequate to post in MSE)" CreationDate="2021-12-08T20:13:08.333" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23074" PostId="7010" Score="0" Text="Also, where are you looking at this? I am browsing your answers and I see the 12, not the 47 as your screenshot shows." CreationDate="2021-12-08T20:16:02.573" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23075" PostId="7010" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus It's when I look at my answers on my own profile. It happens on other SE sites too evidently now that I check - I just happen to have seen it here first, so I posted it here." CreationDate="2021-12-08T20:17:42.627" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="23076" PostId="7013" Score="8" Text="Thanks a lot :)" CreationDate="2021-12-11T20:06:13.607" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23077" PostId="7013" Score="4" Text="@nvoigt - well done! Many great answers." CreationDate="2021-12-12T18:23:06.913" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23079" PostId="7013" Score="3" Text="@nvoigt Dang, you are breathing down my neck ;)  Good job!" CreationDate="2021-12-13T21:08:55.027" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23084" PostId="7016" Score="3" Text="My take on hypothetical situations hasn't really changed since my answer on this related post: [Is a question being hypothetical a problem?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4425) I also follow enderland's answer on the even older post linked from it which amounts to &quot;*questions that benefit the site are fine*&quot;: [Should anything be done about a user posting fake questions](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2131)" CreationDate="2021-12-17T20:31:10.497" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23085" PostId="7016" Score="2" Text="It's usually hard to get clarifying information for hypothetical/my-cousin's-friend's-brother questions. So I say **No**, they shouldn't be allowed." CreationDate="2021-12-17T20:57:51.477" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23086" PostId="7018" Score="1" Text="OTOH, no one who actually has that problem is asking the question. Why bother to answer a question before there's proof that someone is actually looking for an answer to the question? Someone who engages in the kind of behavior that the *actual* person who did the 900-person layoff engaged in probably doesn't read Workplace.se, so the question was a waste of everyone's time (including the OP's)." CreationDate="2021-12-20T06:38:12.607" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="23087" PostId="7018" Score="1" Text="@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica Why would it be a waste of time? Does a question exactly have to match your personal experience to be useful? We should not be giving concrete answers, but instead factors to consider when engaging in a course of action. Maybe a person doesn't have to lay off 500, but maybe they have to layoff 5. Maybe some of the answers are very useful because the core idea behind them does not need a magic number of 500 to be relivent." CreationDate="2021-12-20T06:40:59.073" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23088" PostId="7018" Score="0" Text="True - it seems like it would make sense for someone who's actually facing the problem to ask the question, though, because then we can be sure that we're addressing a situation that people are actually searching for answers for (vs. something that we're hoping that someone who actually has that problem will eventually stumble on)." CreationDate="2021-12-20T06:44:06.420" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="23089" PostId="7018" Score="0" Text="@EJoshuaS-ReinstateMonica I think the average person who may be inclined to answer is smart enough to be able to determine what the really fanciful questions are, and decide if they want to answer. In any case, I'm not here to tell people what to do. If somebody does what I suggest without thinking, I would find that incredibly disappointing. My hope is that my answers influence in some meaningful way not just the OP, but also the other people answering." CreationDate="2021-12-20T06:51:44.463" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23090" PostId="7019" Score="0" Text="Well... you know how it goes, some folks close things fast... only they know the justification they had in mind at the moment. I also agree it's on-topic, 2 votes already so I'll hammer it open." CreationDate="2021-12-20T22:08:50.767" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23091" PostId="7021" Score="0" Text="I think it's not a great reason to close it, but the question seems unanswerable. It's a specific scheme and a company and the normal recourses have already been denied. Do you have a useful answer to post?" CreationDate="2021-12-23T05:00:16.500" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23092" PostId="7021" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi I don't know if me having an answer is a good metric to determine if a question should be closed." CreationDate="2021-12-23T05:08:03.110" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23093" PostId="7021" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi In any case, I don't think questions should be closed if you or I have reached the limit of our knowledge or imagination. A question that is unanswered does not mean the question is any less valid. If the question is unsuitable, people should endevour to close it for the reason it is unsuitable, rather than just shrugging and picking a random reason." CreationDate="2021-12-23T05:10:18.503" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23094" PostId="7021" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi I've added an answer to this post." CreationDate="2021-12-23T05:19:42.813" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23095" PostId="7021" Score="1" Text="Fair enough, reopened. I wasn't using it as a metric for the closure. It was a contributing factor on whether to hammer it open quickly rather than wait for more input." CreationDate="2021-12-23T06:59:14.747" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23096" PostId="7024" Score="5" Text="I agree, reopened" CreationDate="2022-01-04T06:44:04.743" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23097" PostId="7024" Score="2" Text="Good catch! I agree" CreationDate="2022-01-04T18:55:03.897" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23109" PostId="7024" Score="1" Text="*&quot;I'm voting to close this question because finding motivation and setting goals seems more about psychology than the workplace. Although I think there is potentially a good question or two that can spin off from this one, like 'How much time should I spend per job application?' or even 'How can I best approach a job search?' (which is quite broad, but might be okay). ...&quot;* - at least that's the reason I gave for voting to close. I also said *&quot;The best goals are ones that work best for you personally&quot;*, which makes a large part of the question hard to answer in any useful way." CreationDate="2022-01-07T17:50:31.843" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="23110" PostId="7024" Score="0" Text="I feel [the top-voted answer](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/a/181901/8234) has some good advice, but it's not actually directly answering the question that was asked at all. That is kind of okay from an answerer's perspective, since the question that was asked is not on topic at all, and what it was answering is probably the closest on-topic question, but it does just highlight that the question isn't on topic and should be closed or edited, or new questions should be derived from that one (and all 3 of those options are things this community is way too averse to)." CreationDate="2022-01-07T17:59:41.657" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="23112" PostId="7024" Score="3" Text="@BernhardBarker How are goal-setting and finding motivation *not* workplace issues? Those seem like classic challenges that people routinely face in their jobs. I don't think that the fact that it's also about psychology changes the fact that this is a very common workplace issue." CreationDate="2022-01-07T19:31:21.157" UserId="61906" />
  <row Id="23114" PostId="7024" Score="1" Text="@EJoshuaS Goal-setting (possibly excluding things like OKRs) and finding motivation are workplace-related, but they're outside of the expertise one would expect a workplace expert to have (much like fixing an issue with your computer can be workplace-related, but it still doesn't belong here). Pursuing inappropriate goals can cause psychological harm and motivation issues relates to depression and burnout. As a workplace expert, one arguably wouldn't necessarily know much about that, while a psychologist or productivity expert should know a whole lot about that." CreationDate="2022-01-07T21:12:50.807" UserId="8234" />
  <row Id="23098" PostId="7025" Score="2" Text="I must say this wasn't trigger happy. We even chatted on the mod's chat live on that post and monitored it closely (comments were derailing considerably)... anyways I think it *does* depend on several reason, many of them location-dependent or company-specific. Etiquette is dependent on aspects like those IMHO." CreationDate="2022-01-07T02:17:47.917" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23099" PostId="7025" Score="2" Text="@DarkCygnus We have people from all around the world. If the question needs some locale information, that should be asked for in a comment, rather than the question being closed. I was giving the mods the benefit of the doubt, but if there was a collective decision then a collective wrong one was made." CreationDate="2022-01-07T04:02:38.427" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23103" PostId="7025" Score="3" Text="@GregoryCurrie Just like you clearly disagree, somewhat bitterly, with the closure of the question, I disagree with your take on why we closed it and whether that was a &quot;unilateral&quot; action. I've clarified the reason for the closure in my comment, two other mods have provided additional clarification here but you seem intent on disregarding that input. As mentioned in my comment it would be great to have a higher quality question on the general topic so feel free to post one. But this particular question was problematic for multiple reasons." CreationDate="2022-01-07T14:44:00.360" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23104" PostId="7025" Score="0" Text="@Lilienthal I haven't disregarded anything. You collectively have made an error, and presumably are too proud to admit as such. None of you have actually justified the decision at all." CreationDate="2022-01-07T14:51:28.863" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23105" PostId="7025" Score="0" Text="I think it's a case where the user was banned, and now you want to punish them further by closing the question. You guys couldn't find a suitable reason, so are just pretending the question is asking about workplace policy in the hope that other users are too stupid to notice." CreationDate="2022-01-07T14:53:30.647" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23111" PostId="7025" Score="2" Text="@GregoryCurrie I strongly disagree but it seems like we'll have to leave it at that. At this point we've provided plenty of reasons for why we took the actions we did but if you refuse to accept those there's not much else I can do. Rest assured that we are not in the habit of &quot;punishing users&quot; for anything. If you have any further concerns I can only direct you to the Community Team via the contact page." CreationDate="2022-01-07T18:52:19.463" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23113" PostId="7025" Score="2" Text="@Lilienthal ... No reasons have been provided. DarkCygnus has said it's a locale specific, which isn't a reason. They also suggest it's company specific, in which case they could write an answer on how the OP should proceed to determine how to find out. Motosubatsu didn't provide any justification on why it was closed at all." CreationDate="2022-01-07T21:09:18.777" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23100" PostId="7026" Score="0" Text="Well, I would say it's clearly trigger-happy because there was actually no need for unilateral action." CreationDate="2022-01-07T11:43:54.213" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23101" PostId="7026" Score="3" Text="The most obvious gain to reopening the question would be to undo a mistake. That, in itself, is a worthy goal. Moderators shouldn't be trying to curate content by using unrelated close reasons, and then ducking behind the &quot;what is to be gained&quot; question after the fact. It's not up to me to answer that. The status quo is content should be unmolested by moderators and only touched with good reason. It doesn't fall on the wider community to justify to moderators why content should be allowed. How about you justify HOW it matches the close reason given." CreationDate="2022-01-07T11:46:58.893" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23102" PostId="7026" Score="0" Text="And if you want a clear specific reason why it should be opened: other people may have that exact same query. It's not some strange corner-case. It's a thing that many people will face." CreationDate="2022-01-07T11:49:01.640" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23106" PostId="7026" Score="1" Text="I wouldn't have objected either, the question is impossible in my region so makes no sense to me." CreationDate="2022-01-07T15:32:03.013" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23107" PostId="7026" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi I would have thought your assessment would be based on the merits of the question, not if you were personally able to answer or not. Criteria is getting really hard to understand around here." CreationDate="2022-01-07T16:05:48.793" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23108" PostId="7026" Score="1" Text="@GregoryCurrie sure, but if something makes no sense to me I won't make a judgement in either direction. My assessment was that it was out of my experience." CreationDate="2022-01-07T16:39:34.237" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23126" PostId="7026" Score="1" Text="Fact: the closure of the question was about 23 hours after the posting of it. This make it evident this wasn't &quot;trigger-happy&quot;." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:16:19.043" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23115" PostId="7027" Score="2" Text="It seems like a pretty straightforward example of a company-specific question. What is within the CEO's purview, what's with other elements of the C-suite and how much control the board has are all aspects that can vary tremendously by company. Even if there was a general answer, that wouldn't help you in your particular situation since your motivation is presumably to find out what *your* powers would be in the CEO role you've been offered. A better question would be about how to establish the &quot;powers&quot; you'll have in a negotiation with the owners/board." CreationDate="2022-01-08T15:50:08.807" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23117" PostId="7027" Score="4" Text="@Lilienthal Obviously the community does not agree with me, but _&quot;What is within the CEO's purview ... can vary tremendously by company ... [you need to] establish the &quot;powers&quot; you'll have in a negotiation with the owners/board&quot;_ sounds like the answer the OP didn't know and was looking for, which may help others in a similar situation in the future." CreationDate="2022-01-11T21:33:00.140" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="23118" PostId="7027" Score="1" Text="@PlayerOne Fair point. Usually comments are left on the main post explaining the reason for closure. Perhaps people assumed it was relatively obvious (for someone at the experience level to become CEO)." CreationDate="2022-01-11T21:52:00.297" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23163" PostId="7027" Score="0" Text="Edited asking about https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/160461/which-kind-of-motivation-software-companies-expects-from-applicant" CreationDate="2022-01-17T00:49:25.453" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="23116" PostId="7028" Score="2" Text="Apparently, if they have five words in common.  :/" CreationDate="2022-01-10T14:43:54.527" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23121" PostId="7033" Score="2" Text="Hehe, look at the &quot;Users destroyed&quot;... good thing the troll/bot wave we had mid 2021 has subsided according to some other stats and things I perceive :)" CreationDate="2022-01-12T17:44:15.623" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23123" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="I think it's the appropriate place to raise concerns. I didn't mention specifics because I don't want to get into arguments about particular cases. I think the bar should be set very high for moderators to delete (not close) content in meta. I'm curious to see if anyone else seems views things the way I do. Or maybe I'm an outlier, and my understanding of what TWP is is just blatantly wrong." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:03:27.853" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23124" PostId="7037" Score="1" Text="Raise concerns, yes, but not rants. If you wish a more detailed conversation consider using chat. Consider reading about what moderation involves. We **do** set our bar very high, and most of the moderation is done by Community (as it should), but don't confuse that with deleting a post that lacks anything answerable, is clearly a rant, is clearly aimed towards someone specific, and it's evident it's about the post on main site that got closed and that you had an answer on... please, don't continue down this road, there are better, more polite ways to understand and talk" CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:06:28.827" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23125" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="I don't know the distinction between raising a concern and a rant. If there is some way that the content can be improved to make it more palatable, that would be good to know. Is it just a factor of the length? Also, regarding who it was aimed at, it was generally aimed at users that are trigger finger on the close button. Surely you can't deny there has been quite a few cases where questions have been reopened to revert community vote to close." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:15:49.677" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23127" PostId="7037" Score="1" Text="*&quot;I don't know the distinction between raising a concern and a rant&quot;* - This worries me. You either are &quot;playing dumb&quot; or you genuinely can't distinguish between them nor be polite or professional when addressing fellow Community members... I really hope it's the first one. Regarding the trigger-happy situation... I completely agree with you. it's no news, it's been a thing for several years now, there are several posts on meta here about it and even answers to mods postulations regarding the topic... not news for me...." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:18:37.560" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23128" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="I was polite and professional. I spoke very generally, and I didn't want to flag specific people, or instances. I absolutely know the difference between being polite and professional, and not being those things. But I think constructiveness it the difference between a rant and raising concerns... and I was constructive... right?" CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:21:01.600" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23129" PostId="7037" Score="1" Text="@GregoryCurrie but yes, some folks are trigger happy. But with all complete honesty, not mods, or at least not me. The covid booster shot I was cheking out. We closed it 24h after it was posted, so surely not trigger-happy... The tools we have at our disposal to deal with trigger-happy folks are reopen votes, comments, chat, and if there is no consensus, us mods... as a 40k+ member you can 1) edit or suggest edits to improve 2) go to [chat] and ask opinion and suggestion of other active members 3) edit, improve, post here in meta a reopen request... etc" CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:21:03.047" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23130" PostId="7037" Score="1" Text="*&quot;and I was constructive... right?&quot;* - with all due respect again Gregory, that deleted meta post.... no, it doesn't read constructive. I don't even see a goal or something to discuss in it. It's a rant. It doesn't even have a question we could discuss... but, meh, I suggest we leave that be. I gave you feedback. I suggested we focus on improving the closed question into shape." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:24:28.927" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23131" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="I'll try and figure out how to start a discussion in an even more constructive tone." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:25:10.523" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23132" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie thanks. And I'll see if I can take a first edit to that closed post, one which we can work it out and reopen perhaps." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:26:18.787" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23133" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="For me, it's trigger-happy because it needlessly short-circuited the regular content curation done by the community. It's less about time, and more about the process. Just so you know where I'm coming from." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:31:13.070" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23134" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie I totally get you on that. On many cases not even 30mins have gone and the post is closed! What time to improve one could have there? Well... that's why I say that it's critical to do edits and suggestions and clarifications as soon as the question is asked, as to avoid any trigger-happy folks to come down and halt the improvement process... although to be honest, a closed post can still be improved and edited so... not quite sure if closing a post halts the content curation process..." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:36:45.037" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23135" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="It certainly disrupts it. Because then it has to start to accumulate reopen votes, rather than potentially accumulate close votes. When it also closed for (what must have been?!) the wrong reasons, it's hard for people to know how to improve it." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:39:32.747" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23136" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="Reopen votes yes, but the improvement process or the editing capability is NOT halted... I differ with you on that aspect it seems... yes, answers have to wait and those are halted, but posting an answer to anunclear or off-topic post can have its drawbacks (what if the post changes considerably, what if more details come, what if OP clarifies a key point... etc).. I totally agree with the trigger-happy situation about close votes... but I'm wondering if we also have trigger-happy folks that only care about posting their answer, regardless of anything else... talk about disrupting Q&amp;A curation" CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:44:35.677" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23137" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="I think that's the issue though, a question is perfectly clear to me, but a moderator is making an executive decision that it's unclear and that I can't answer, and that the question, and all existing content should be generally hidden from the masses. I tried to clarify this point of view in my &quot;rant&quot; so people can understand what I'm coming from." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:47:29.040" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23139" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="Okey, I'll read carefully the new post you posted. In the meantime *do* read meta posts we have regarding close votes." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:48:50.560" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23140" PostId="7037" Score="1" Text="@GregoryCurrie first one I stumbled upon. It's even a post by Monica: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5085/73791" CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:51:21.527" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23141" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="I think Monica missed the point, or at least didn't make my point, that how you treat questions will inform what level of detail you're looking for, and that different people will expect different levels of detail." CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:53:24.890" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23142" PostId="7037" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie .... well who's being trigger-happy now? hehe. Just one post i searched and considered sharing with you. Like I said there are TONS of those. Consider hearing what other folks have to say in [chat] as well" CreationDate="2022-01-13T15:54:31.850" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23151" PostId="7038" Score="1" Text="I agree with many question closures I saw. When I didn't, [I created a Meta question about it](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/7028/reopened-where-do-we-draw-the-line-for-whether-a-question-is-really-a-duplicat) or [someone else did](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/181900/how-to-find-motivation-to-keep-applying-to-jobs-after-being-rejected). And usually I'm not the only one that thinks the question was closed without warrant." CreationDate="2022-01-13T19:32:17.307" UserId="98765" />
  <row Id="23152" PostId="7041" Score="3" Text="To set anyones mind at ease that might be concerned. It wasn't a fully automated process. Tools were used to help identify accounts, but the actual destruction is a manual process. The profiles were individually opened, checked and confirmed to be spam accounts and then manually destroyed one by one." CreationDate="2022-01-14T03:14:58.573" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23157" PostId="7041" Score="2" Text="An effort you could certainly call Herculean, thanks for this @Kilisi!" CreationDate="2022-01-15T09:06:10.300" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23153" PostId="7042" Score="0" Text="&quot;Oh I'm in the UK, everything you just said is invalidated&quot; My point is that maybe the answer will be useful to somebody else, who isn't from the UK. Provided it's clear what assumptions have been made, I don't see the harm in answers that may not be exactly accurate for the OP, but may be useful to others with a slightly different scenario." CreationDate="2022-01-15T02:18:15.697" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23154" PostId="7042" Score="3" Text="If you just want to write a bunch of your own thoughts get a blog.  This format thrives in real answers to real questions, not just spraying info because “surely someone will find it oh so valuable someday.”" CreationDate="2022-01-15T04:09:05.893" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="23155" PostId="7042" Score="0" Text="TWP means different things to different people. We keep questions around even after the OP has their answer because we do hope that somebody else will find it oh so valuable someday. I certainly don't write answers to satisfy only the OP." CreationDate="2022-01-15T04:55:49.913" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23156" PostId="7042" Score="0" Text="And thanks for the suggestion to create a blog. Unfortunately, on reflection, I think my content is more likely to be seen and be useful here on TWP." CreationDate="2022-01-15T04:57:10.400" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23161" PostId="7042" Score="2" Text="_&quot;Closing isn't the end for a question&quot;_ Realistically though, on _this_ site, it is." CreationDate="2022-01-16T08:12:31.917" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="23158" PostId="7043" Score="0" Text="You've been around a while, so you think we can bump up the number of votes required from 5 to 10 or something? Or is that delaying the inevitable?" CreationDate="2022-01-15T16:15:45.357" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23159" PostId="7043" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie - bumping up the required number of votes wouldn't hurt. Not sure it cures anything, but at least a bigger window of opportunity for useful answers to sneak in before the close. I don't know if that is configurable, though. And I don't see any changes being made anyway. Perhaps I'm being too cynical." CreationDate="2022-01-15T16:23:32.147" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23160" PostId="7043" Score="2" Text="It's definitely configurable: some sites need only three votes to close (e.g. [Software](https://softwareengineering.meta.stackexchange.com/q/9268) and [English](https://english.meta.stackexchange.com/q/15007)). I think the bigger obstacle to overcome is the community's perception that there's a problem. It's frustrating because _&quot;I won't answer you and I'll stop anyone else from answering you as well. Come back when you know how to ask a better question&quot;_ would be a completely inappropriate response to getting asked a poorly worded question as a senior colleague in an ___actual workplace___" CreationDate="2022-01-16T07:53:55.447" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="23162" PostId="7043" Score="0" Text="@PlayerOne - true. Online forums don't often bring out the best behavior in people." CreationDate="2022-01-16T13:06:08.853" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23164" PostId="7043" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie I have had a couple of goes at getting the number of votes changed, I'm still working on it whenever I get a chance. Unfortunately it's easier to lower the threshold than increase it at the moment." CreationDate="2022-01-17T05:41:13.300" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23165" PostId="7043" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere don't be discouraged, I for one have no problem hammering open if the situation warrants it." CreationDate="2022-01-17T05:41:45.377" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23166" PostId="7043" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi - thanks. Reopening closed questions doesn't really solve the problem for me. Quickly closing sends a bad message to the member writing the question. I'm more resigned to the situation than discouraged. It is what it is." CreationDate="2022-01-17T13:18:31.967" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23176" PostId="7043" Score="0" Text="Well... we only have two recourses. I'm discarding one which is penalising people over their voting habits. As far as I'm concerned everyone is entitled to their vote within the parameters of the site, no questions asked. Which leaves changing the parameters of the site. That's what I'm trying to do. But frankly only had a specious runaround so far. But I'm a persistent chap ;)" CreationDate="2022-01-20T17:38:35.223" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23170" PostId="7044" Score="0" Text="Thanks. I tried to do this here:&#xA;https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/182246/for-any-ceo-role-which-core-responsibilities-are-never-delegated-independently&#xA;&#xA;this new question got a close vote in less than 60 seconds, because it doesn't follow &quot;community guidelines&quot;" CreationDate="2022-01-18T16:34:11.460" UserDisplayName="user38290" />
  <row Id="23171" PostId="7044" Score="2" Text="@Monoandale - don't stress over the &quot;I was the first to cast a close vote&quot; crew." CreationDate="2022-01-18T16:55:29.093" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23172" PostId="7044" Score="0" Text="@Monoandale - have you tried to find answers to your question via a Google search? For example: https://corporatefinanceinstitute.com/resources/careers/jobs/what-is-a-ceo-chief-executive-officer/" CreationDate="2022-01-18T16:59:07.703" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23173" PostId="7046" Score="0" Text="You posted two CEO questions lately, which one are you talking about? Both have already votes to reopen BTW... It's no news folks sometimes close things swiftly here, but that's the reason why we have Meta, and Votes to reopen and [chat]" CreationDate="2022-01-19T17:37:27.447" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23174" PostId="7046" Score="3" Text="There is no valid reason this question should have been closed. Despite the close reason, there is nothing company specific about it, and it isn't asking a legal question. **I voted to reopen**." CreationDate="2022-01-19T18:33:33.140" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23175" PostId="7046" Score="2" Text="Agree that it's sort of an XY question. While there's no fixed set answers can still mention &quot;usually includes&quot;. Given that motosubatsu expressed interest in reopening I've gone ahead and reopened it at 3/5.  For future reference: it can be useful to link to your own previously closed post in a comment but explain how you've rescoped the question so it's on-topic." CreationDate="2022-01-19T23:08:51.333" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23178" PostId="7049" Score="0" Text="Pro tip: Don't click on &quot;home&quot; click on Questions. That way you don't get that odd layout" CreationDate="2022-01-25T18:18:48.957" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23179" PostId="7049" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus - thanks, but the Active Questions page still shows &quot;-1 votes&quot;. Hurts my QA eyes, but I guess I'll have to live with it." CreationDate="2022-01-25T19:11:34.937" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23180" PostId="7049" Score="0" Text="Oh, I see... I guess that I don't see those because I mostly watch the &quot;Newest&quot; tab, not the Active one" CreationDate="2022-01-25T19:13:18.730" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23184" PostId="7049" Score="1" Text="There’s [a feature request to change ‘votes’ to ‘score’](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/153515/273494) from 9 years ago that was recently marked [status-review], so there is a tiny glimmer of hope. I [keep nagging them about it](https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/375081/new-post-summary-designs-on-site-home-pages-and-greatest-hits-now-everywhere-el#comment1249640_375081), but I’m not sure if it is helping." CreationDate="2022-01-27T03:08:04.380" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23186" PostId="7049" Score="0" Text="Just FYI [Votes will be changed to Score. Answers are currently sorted based on the score (upvotes - downvotes), not the number of votes (upvotes+downvotes). This language makes that distinction clearer, and is a long-asked-for change that we are delivering.](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/375749/273494)" CreationDate="2022-01-31T18:21:26.123" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23177" PostId="7050" Score="0" Text="Oh well. Just one more thing in the &quot;don't like&quot; column. I guess I'll learn to live with it." CreationDate="2022-01-25T14:01:49.397" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23188" PostId="7054" Score="4" Text="Looking through this, I suspect it's because it's a type of post we see here quite often, in that it's mostly describing your situation and how you find it challenging without really being explicit about what you're after: getting up to speed faster, talking to your boss about more help, etc. We often close such questions because they lack a clear way for them to be answered. More on that here : [Custom Off-Topic Close Reasons Change](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/2696)" CreationDate="2022-02-07T19:36:09.573" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23189" PostId="7054" Score="2" Text="Best way to improve would be to focus on what you're after *and* edit the question down for length. You could ask about how to get more concrete/actionable feedback from your boss, that would be the most productive angle I see. Other questions you could ask such as how to judge your performance, how to deal with inadequate training, etc. are all mostly secondary as for your specific situation you need to first figure out whether your boss is happy with where you are or not. That's the question I'd ask if I were you. You can either edit the current question or post a new one." CreationDate="2022-02-07T19:39:19.217" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23190" PostId="7054" Score="1" Text="An alternative question would be around the feeling you have of not being where you think you should be 6 months in. Though the answers there would still amount to &quot;talk to your boss first&quot; to see if this is a 'you' thing or if there's really a performance issue." CreationDate="2022-02-07T19:41:11.257" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23191" PostId="7054" Score="1" Text="@Lilienthal Thank you for the advice. I shall try to incorporate your suggestions into my answer." CreationDate="2022-02-08T02:18:00.173" UserId="123677" />
  <row Id="23192" PostId="7054" Score="1" Text="I have edited my question" CreationDate="2022-02-12T01:13:05.003" UserId="123677" />
  <row Id="23193" PostId="7055" Score="3" Text="I closed it because it posed a rhetorical question and a legal one, everything else in it seemed ranty or incomplete at best. Up to the community if they want to reopen it." CreationDate="2022-02-17T22:45:53.250" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23194" PostId="7055" Score="3" Text="I think we should avoid rants about diversity, affirmative action, &quot;well that's discrimination against me&quot;, &quot;what about *my* group&quot;, etc. I worry that it's an endless rabbit hole with no real solution, as evidenced by the comments. Perhaps there should be a different StackExchange forum for debating such issues. There could be good advice if the question was how to create an effective diversity program, but that's not what this question is about. It saddens me that this was re-opened, and 99% of the time I am in favor of keeping questions open." CreationDate="2022-02-18T11:30:55.130" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23197" PostId="7055" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere I was hoping for a compassionate, level-headed answer that doesn't stoke flames of outrage when I voted to reopen, and Dan Romik's answer (especially the first and third numbered points) is a good one in my opinion. Rightly or wrongly, the OP is describing a real workplace situation that many would need help with." CreationDate="2022-02-20T10:05:09.903" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="23198" PostId="7055" Score="1" Text="@PlayerOne - the last &quot;Extra&quot; paragraph makes it clear to me that this isn't a real question, but rather a rant looking for amiright responses. I wish we wouldn't encourage this. There are forums where debating the fairness of affirmative action and diversity programs is appropriate. This isn't one of them." CreationDate="2022-02-20T11:25:41.127" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23199" PostId="7055" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere The bool being named is a best seller, the author is being paid to speak at business conferences, and IMO counter productive to diversity efforts.  This is a real thing." CreationDate="2022-02-20T13:42:18.640" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23200" PostId="7055" Score="0" Text="@PlayerOne I have put a bounty on that one.  I'm planning to award a bounty to Dan's answer" CreationDate="2022-02-20T13:44:10.570" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23201" PostId="7055" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter - I know the book. I understand your feelings on diversity. IMHO, discussing the merits of the book and arguments about the proper way to look at diversity belong elsewhere." CreationDate="2022-02-20T16:39:51.173" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23202" PostId="7055" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I'm of two minds on this, and maybe an edit of that last paragraph could help, but I am going to delete my answer and award the bounty" CreationDate="2022-02-21T13:09:11.917" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23203" PostId="7055" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Diversity is a touchy subject with me.  I have had a very tough time fighting for every inch of what I have and have been called everything from retard to actual physical abuse for my disabilities.  I have a bit of a knee jerk reaction to being called &quot;privileged&quot;.  I like my company's approach because they avoid the whataboutisms.  I'm going to avoid future discussions on this topic until and unless I can do so without getting so angry.  Joe, I always value your opinion/input, even though it doesn't always sin in right away" CreationDate="2022-02-21T13:30:55.737" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23204" PostId="7055" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter - glad to hear your work on your company's diversity team is going well and that you like their approach. It's an extremely important subject." CreationDate="2022-02-21T13:39:29.823" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23205" PostId="7055" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere yes, it is important.  Their approach is that every voice should be heard and every need should be addressed,  I can't articulate it well, but it is inclusive instead of exclusive, it's about empowerment and engagement instead of victimhood, and there are people on the teams themselves are actually diverse." CreationDate="2022-02-21T16:17:56.390" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23206" PostId="7056" Score="1" Text="Depends on how and what you ask on your question... I don't see one in your post. Do you have a phrasing in mind so we can better help you find its on-topicness?... my partial answer given the description you say I would think it is ok and on-topic. Phrasings that come to mind are of the form *&quot;[...]. What implications does it have to be independent contractor in Belgium? Are there any advantages in doing so compared to a 'regular' employment?&quot;*" CreationDate="2022-02-21T23:53:36.293" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23208" PostId="7056" Score="1" Text="Since I gather you're mostly asking about the financial advantages, it's potentially more a question for [money.se], assuming it's on-topic there (not entirely sure). While we cover negotiations around compensation and do regularly have questions around benefits and so on, a detailed analysis of a particular country's various fiscal constructions and loopholes when it comes to employment is probably beyond our scope. As someone from Belgium who looked into this before, I'm not sure I'd even be able to answer this. You might get more useful advice on forums dedicated to Belgium." CreationDate="2022-02-22T21:56:27.963" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23220" PostId="7056" Score="1" Text="Yes I was mainly interested in the financial implications of being a contractor in Belgium vs. not from the employees' perspective. Based on @Lilienthal resp. I'm thinking that the financial angle would be OffT here." CreationDate="2022-02-24T02:43:12.343" UserId="6101" />
  <row Id="23209" PostId="7057" Score="3" Text="So how can we help you with? Investigate what? You got some flags declined, it's not a big deal or a life or death situation. We decline/accept flags all the time, as well as we prune comments all the time. Remember that mass-flagging is discouraged if you can instead post a single mod-flag. That being said, I suggest you focus your very appreciated and positive efforts on more recent posts, perhaps the newest ones. Those are where proper moderation and editing/cleaning helps the most, as it helps clarify and improve the Question earlier (rather than later... or years later...)." CreationDate="2022-02-23T16:54:54.623" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23210" PostId="7057" Score="4" Text="While I understand why the response to your flag left a bad taste, the moderator who declined your flags is the most appropriate person to explain why the flags were declined. As already mentioned, declined comment flags aren't a black mark on your record, and now you know flagging a lot of old comments is more disruptive than helpful. If you flag comments on active posts, &quot;no longer needed&quot; flags from other community members can remove the comments w/o mod intervention. If you flag comments on inactive posts, they'll probably age away unless a mod handles them." CreationDate="2022-02-23T17:34:52.773" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23211" PostId="7057" Score="0" Text="&quot;all of those 11 flags of &quot;no longer needed&quot; variety have been, seemingly offhandedly, declined. &quot; - maybe it's a hint to stop raising these flags." CreationDate="2022-02-23T20:58:18.487" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23212" PostId="7057" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus &quot;It's not a big deal or a life or death situation&quot; -- of course it is not. Believe me or not, my whole participation on this site is not really a big deal for me. It doesn't mean, however, that it should not be talked about. Moderators' decisions should be held to some objective standard. And actually, in practice, almost all complaints could theoretically be dismissed with &quot;not big deal and not life or death situation&quot;. Getting shorted on money change by a cashier in supermarket is also &quot;not a big deal&quot;, but would you feel happy about such a response from said cashier?" CreationDate="2022-02-23T21:38:07.193" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23213" PostId="7057" Score="2" Text="@DarkCygnus &quot;Remember that mass-flagging is discouraged if you can instead post a single mod-flag&quot; -- okay, from now on I will remember to do that whenever possible. But in this instance, each flag was on a separate post and it was impossible to do it like that. Also, my daily flag limit is just about, I am not sure, 16? It is not like I am even able to massively &quot;disrupt&quot; duties of moderators while having such a strict limit. It actually feels like I am being being dismissed for providing too much work for moderators, the work that they themselves voluntarily signed up [continued]" CreationDate="2022-02-23T21:38:29.467" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23214" PostId="7057" Score="2" Text="@DarkCygnus [continuation]  to do. It feels unfair that flags had merit (the moderator even admitted that the comments were of little value), but got dismissed just because there has seemingly been too much of them. It feels like a cashier refusing to sell you bread, just because you want to buy whole 11 loaves, and the cashier remembers you being a massive bread buyer." CreationDate="2022-02-23T21:38:40.333" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23215" PostId="7057" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV Hey thanks for an actually helpful response. I am not sure about that black mark on my record, though. I have been reading a lot about flag weights and alike. Before this I had a proud and relatively clean record with only 1 declined. Now it's 12, which is over 10% of all, and feels unfair. Thanks again, your insight is appreciated." CreationDate="2022-02-23T21:39:12.860" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23216" PostId="7057" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere Beautifully condescending response. Believe me, I am not that dense. I actually got that hint. Hence this question, because I feel this &quot;hint&quot; was not really warranted by the objective situation, but rather based on assumptions and a subjective, personal whim." CreationDate="2022-02-23T21:39:23.103" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23217" PostId="7057" Score="2" Text="I am a retired mod, and while it’s discouraging to have your stats messed up, it really doesn’t affect your account. It used to be a real pain for a mod to mark a comment flag “helpful” without deleting the comment, so there are plenty of folks out there with declined comment flags, myself included. Flags can be subjective, so there’s no shame in having disputed or declined flags." CreationDate="2022-02-23T22:53:56.207" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23218" PostId="7057" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV Thanks for understanding and kind words. I believe it used to be a pain but actually is not anymore: nowadays all is needed for a moderator to mark flag as &quot;helpful&quot; without deleting the comment is to just edit the comment (could be a dummy edit so not to change the comment's content, this implicitly marks flag as helpful), or just delete and then undelete it afterwards with one more click. I am really grateful for your encouragement and explanation. And even though I still think it was unfair, your words made me less disheartened about it." CreationDate="2022-02-24T00:48:22.313" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23219" PostId="7057" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV However, if assumed patterns and perceived &quot;badge-farming&quot; was enough for the specific moderator to dismiss valid flags, then I would expect having made this thread to earn me a real grudge from this moderator. Let's hope not." CreationDate="2022-02-24T00:50:10.280" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23221" PostId="7057" Score="1" Text="@user132962 I read this thread and this is what I have to say: 1) I did not decline your flags, but even if I did, this post would not earn you any grudge. If a mod takes a grudge from this then I would question their mod capabilities... I can assure you no mod will hold a grudge for voicing your opinion in a polite way and in a Meta Post. 2) If it matters I also have about 10 flags declined from when I was not mod... it didn't harm me or my rep at all... in fact... I am now a mod :), and 3) yeah, please focus your commendable efforts and flags on recent posts so the positive impact is greater" CreationDate="2022-02-24T03:26:13.207" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23222" PostId="7057" Score="2" Text="@user132962 also, if the badge farming or other phrasing you perceived as not-so-cool or a bit negative, please do *not* take it personally and move on... I am sure it wasn't intended to harm or be rude, perhaps it just came out bluntly...I think the points you raise have merit, as id does read blunt or discouraging, but I also see that the flag and old-post hunting points also have some merit (mostly the fact that flagging an old post seldom has any benefits... people already read it, most of them even have accepted answers, etc... it's in new posts where the effort has more impact)" CreationDate="2022-02-24T03:34:21.043" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23232" PostId="7057" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV I doubt that same mod is always most appropriate person to explain declines because their position looks somewhat vulnerable. I checked similar discussions on &quot;big&quot; metas [here](https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/306742) and [here](https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/338472) and general idea seems to be when particular mod is challenged this is better handled by another mod, to avoid appearance of conflict of interest (granted, I saw cases when mods explained themselves but these were mostly like &quot;sorry I made a mistake&quot; which left no room to mis/interpret things as conflict of interest)" CreationDate="2022-02-24T19:43:19.413" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23235" PostId="7057" Score="1" Text="@gnat Hey thanks for phrasing that and linking those threads, it is exactly what I was trying to say in my post but phrased better." CreationDate="2022-02-24T21:54:26.293" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23241" PostId="7057" Score="0" Text="@gnat I didn't say it was *always* better for a mod to handle a question about a flag they declined. I said the mod in this case was the best person to answer why it was declined. If the question is &quot;I don't understand why my flag was declined, it seems unfair to me&quot; the person who declined it is the most obvious choice to explain their reasons. If a user is complaining about a mod by name and they feel that person is biased against them for whatever reason, it's better if someone else from the team steps in.  Whether a mod recuses themself is a judgement call based on the situation." CreationDate="2022-03-11T18:26:25.130" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23223" PostId="7058" Score="3" Text="Wait, how does a user ask the mod team for an explanation of why their flags were declined without raising a flag? What exactly is a mod flag for if not to contact the mod team about an issue? I think it’s perfectly reasonable to ask for a different moderator to look at the issue before escalating to the CM team if someone feels that something was handled unfairly. I understand that it would have been better if no-one had been accused of unfairness, but the mod admitted the problem with the flags was unwritten policy the user has no way of knowing without someone explaining it to them." CreationDate="2022-02-24T11:51:36.403" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23224" PostId="7058" Score="2" Text="Declining the flags may have been warranted and correct, but the communication with your community member  who has apparently only been here for 9 days needs some improvement." CreationDate="2022-02-24T11:53:18.647" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23225" PostId="7058" Score="0" Text="Hey thanks for time and effort to write your answer. It clears things a bit. But still, I don't think I was overusing or abusing the flags. I'd imagine overuse or abuse to be intentional flagging behavior that makes absolutely no sense and is clearly aimed to cause chaos, confusion and disruption (like deliberately and randomly flagging normal and polite comments as &quot;harassment&quot;, using custom-message-flags to send gibberish text to moderators, targeting flags against one specific person that I was previously in conflict with, etc.). That is not what I was doing. I feel like I {continued}" CreationDate="2022-02-24T14:11:09.630" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23226" PostId="7058" Score="0" Text="am in the similar situation as [this thread shows](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/124711/132962). However, the point about no value of cleaning old comments on old posts which hardly anybody visits anymore makes sense. I did not think about it like this. I just wish I had some way of receiving that information in the interface, because there is no way I could have figured it out myself -- all information I initially had was that they were all declined, nothing more. I felt like I was getting feedback of &quot;good job, good job, good job...&quot; then suddenly &quot;boom, bad job!&quot; with {continued}" CreationDate="2022-02-24T14:12:19.360" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23227" PostId="7058" Score="0" Text="no apparent reason whatsoever and it was extremely confusing. I guess moderators can add response to post flags, but they cannot for comment ones? That would explain things a bit. Thanks again for response." CreationDate="2022-02-24T14:12:42.387" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23228" PostId="7058" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV You're right, a fair point. I was mainly talking about the theoretical scenario where a user disagrees with a mod action and wants to challenge it. Because odds are good the same mod might see the flag, it's not a good way to raise moderation issues. That's what meta or the Community Team is for. But if it's to ask for clarification like this, you're right that there's not really much of an alternative. That's sadly just a limitation of the tooling SE offers: there simply is no &quot;contact the mod team&quot; option apart from flagging." CreationDate="2022-02-24T14:55:42.773" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23229" PostId="7058" Score="2" Text="The second flag probably should have been marked helpful instead. But I'm not sure the moderator response would have ever been pushed to the user. That response was clear for *regulars* but as you point out @user132962 is new to the site *and* the network which I didn't realise. A mod message from our end would perhaps have been more useful. The feedback field for flags is very short and often means we need to be more curt than we'd like to be." CreationDate="2022-02-24T14:58:33.050" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23230" PostId="7058" Score="3" Text="@user132962 On behalf of the mod team I'd like to apologise for your experience here. I think it's clear you were using the tools the site gave you in good faith. I think we mistakenly assumed someone flagging this kind of volume would be a regular coming from the network who is more familiar with site norms and when (not) to flag. If you have any feedback on the help pages and documentation related to flagging feel free to add it to your post or in a message to the Community Team. And thank you for raising this. I hope it hasn't soured you on the site. :)" CreationDate="2022-02-24T15:02:16.713" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23231" PostId="7058" Score="4" Text="@user132962 As the mod who declined the flags and wrote the response I just want to echo Lilienthal's message above - they've summed up my thinking at the time. I also want to apologize personally for coming off as rude in my flag response, the bluntness was a case of running into the character limit as I had to trim it to fit (even so my response literally used the entire allowance!) rather than any ill-intent." CreationDate="2022-02-24T16:04:13.757" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="23233" PostId="7058" Score="3" Text="@Lilienthal Apology accepted, thanks for responses, I actually expected to be eaten alive for making this thread, then this a pleasant surprise!" CreationDate="2022-02-24T21:19:48.483" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23234" PostId="7058" Score="1" Text="@motosubatsu Hey apology accepted and I appreciate you revealed that it was you, and no worries because I did not even get the impression that your flag response was rude in the first place, it was just confusing and made no sense to me back then. And also I was not offended by &quot;badge-farming&quot;, I just did not understand why it was necessarily a bad thing. Hey I know what you mean with trimming to fit character limit as I also spent quite some time scratching my head trying to figure out how to fit my own flag message!" CreationDate="2022-02-24T21:27:40.213" UserId="132962" />
  <row Id="23243" PostId="7058" Score="2" Text="@user132962 The mods here are great and will do anything they can to correct a misunderstanding or to explain an issue.  Welcome to the workplace, in any event stick around  and learn the flow a bit more.  Its a nice place when you get  used to it" CreationDate="2022-03-14T17:42:38.063" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23236" PostId="7059" Score="2" Text="The question looks ok to me, downvotes are up to the people who cast them though. They don't have to make sense to anyone else." CreationDate="2022-03-02T10:49:08.910" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23244" PostId="7063" Score="1" Text="Lots of imposters in the IT industry" CreationDate="2022-03-22T21:31:05.137" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23247" PostId="7066" Score="4" Text="10 years is pretty cool, I've definitely learned an enormous amount both about the workplace and other societies resolution strategies from the people here." CreationDate="2022-03-24T11:32:58.520" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23248" PostId="7066" Score="10" Text="Wow, 10 years? Time flies when you are having fun!" CreationDate="2022-03-24T12:11:55.453" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23249" PostId="7066" Score="3" Text="@JoeStrazzere Indeed! I was startled to discover that I've been on the site for over 5 years now." CreationDate="2022-03-24T13:25:23.073" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="23251" PostId="7067" Score="0" Text="Yes, a common enough problem. I'll make a judgement call on it." CreationDate="2022-03-30T07:05:02.110" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23252" PostId="7070" Score="1" Text="I like it... it's a classic!" CreationDate="2022-04-12T19:08:40.420" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="23253" PostId="7070" Score="1" Text="I'd suggest replacing the &quot;rubber duck&quot; question with something more general. That one is too software-specific. The &quot;thing or two&quot; probably isn't the best choice either. I don't feel questions like that are representative of The Workplace." CreationDate="2022-04-13T13:42:30.603" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23254" PostId="7070" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere The rubber duck is admittedly there to cater to the mostly IT-focused audience who'd end up on that blog. Agreed that the professionalism questions isn't the best. I'd sooner replace it with something else but I didn't really find any good high quality questions around unprofessional colleagues. Perhaps something management-related might be a better fit? Feel free to link other good questions that might showcase us better! And that goes for everyone of course!" CreationDate="2022-04-13T19:21:01.360" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23257" PostId="7070" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere do you have any suggestions for replacement questions? This is just a draft at this point." CreationDate="2022-04-15T08:44:23.670" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23255" PostId="7071" Score="0" Text="I can find no reason for it to be protected so I've unprotected it." CreationDate="2022-04-14T01:35:29.680" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23256" PostId="7071" Score="2" Text="It was protected after it became a hot network question. Back then, I'm not sure what the options were for durations of protection, so it was probably just an oversight that the protection wasn't removed after the activity died down." CreationDate="2022-04-14T13:53:47.393" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23258" PostId="7071" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV It was protected, not locked. We don't make a habit of unprotecting questions and I can't actually recall ever unprotecting one. Those with high enough reputation can check the [Protected Question List](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/tools/protected-questions) from the tools." CreationDate="2022-04-15T20:07:19.293" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23259" PostId="7073" Score="1" Text="That comment was removed for &quot;reasons of moderation,&quot; not because the user deleted it." CreationDate="2022-04-15T21:52:01.430" UserId="98765" />
  <row Id="23260" PostId="7073" Score="0" Text="best way is to ask in chat or meta (like you did). Per my observations such deletions typically happen to troll questions, like in cases discussed in other meta posts, eg [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6768/168), [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6630/168), [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5102/168), [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/4414/168)" CreationDate="2022-04-15T22:19:36.950" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23261" PostId="7073" Score="0" Text="@zmike - I'm not asking about the deletion of a comment, but the deletion of a question with many votes, many answers, all of which had many comments." CreationDate="2022-04-15T22:49:04.133" UserId="2568" />
  <row Id="23262" PostId="7073" Score="1" Text="@DonBranson sorry, that should say question and not comment." CreationDate="2022-04-16T01:03:29.917" UserId="98765" />
  <row Id="23263" PostId="7073" Score="0" Text="In case you are not aware, users with &gt;10k cannot see deleted posts." CreationDate="2022-04-16T03:58:59.323" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23265" PostId="7075" Score="0" Text="It was fabricated? Dang, need to work on my detector. :)" CreationDate="2022-04-16T20:56:31.407" UserId="2568" />
  <row Id="23266" PostId="7075" Score="2" Text="@DonBranson It's definitely a hard thing to spot sometimes, particularly for those who lack some of the tools we have as mods. Generally the question being fake alone isn't enough to delete it. It becomes a problem when a question is so far out there that answers would be so specific to the fantastical scenario in question that they'd be useless to others. Those are the types of questions we typically delete because in effect everyone is just wasting their time answering them in good faith. Which is precisely what troll questions are after of course." CreationDate="2022-04-16T21:00:35.857" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23267" PostId="7075" Score="0" Text="It's even harder to spot for those of us who've worked in such places - or worse." CreationDate="2022-04-16T21:31:20.580" UserId="2568" />
  <row Id="23269" PostId="7076" Score="0" Text="Downvote because &quot;This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful&quot;. It doesn't list &quot;because the OP handled a situation incorrectly&quot;." CreationDate="2022-04-23T23:51:32.070" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23268" PostId="7077" Score="1" Text="I agree. Reading this reminded me of a few questions where the OP was a manager asking about a situation that they clearly mishandled (judging from the answers)." CreationDate="2022-04-23T18:01:44.750" UserId="98765" />
  <row Id="23271" PostId="7077" Score="2" Text="I agree with this answer. Voting is not punishment. It's a curation tool that allows good content to be visible, and bad content to disappear. Good content is orthogonal to the actions of the OP." CreationDate="2022-04-27T07:10:02.673" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23272" PostId="7077" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie orthogonal, nice! ;)" CreationDate="2022-04-27T16:28:34.060" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23273" PostId="7077" Score="2" Text="It may be worth noting that people may sometimes downvote a question if the author does not appear to be interested in listening to others/hearing actual answers to their question, but rather just wants to be told that they're right. (If the author did handle something badly but seems genuinely interested in what others think of how they handled it, then they're potentially likely to get upvoted instead because they're asking a genuine question.)" CreationDate="2022-05-09T16:39:17.860" UserId="10313" />
  <row Id="23274" PostId="7077" Score="0" Text="@V2Blast yeah, we do get people seeking self-validation here on TWP, and as you say, those posts are sometimes DVted, because of the unwillingness of OP to listen or provide feedback or even consider alternatives (you can see from miles away a post/user seeking to be self-validated)... but yeah I guess that due to that unwillingness and closed mindset is that the quality of those posts and interactions is not good, thus why they get DVted... like on SO for example, when you are told to not foo the bar, but OP insists on foo-ing it" CreationDate="2022-05-09T18:11:34.127" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23270" PostId="7078" Score="2" Text="Agreed! Voting is just part of the gamification of the site. There's no enforcement of &quot;should&quot; in the voting process. So the result is left to the whims of the voter with very few exceptions. Vote in whatever manner pleases you." CreationDate="2022-04-24T11:30:37.827" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23275" PostId="7079" Score="1" Text="Seems fine to me as well. I've reopened it. Haven't actually answered it myself as I have nothing to add." CreationDate="2022-05-16T11:03:36.373" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23276" PostId="7081" Score="0" Text="There is few things you can do now... To get more detailed answers (besides offering bounty specifying that), only time will yield more/better answers... perhaps you have few answers because few users are knowledgeable on the subject, as to be capable of offering an answer... finally, I see you are asking legal-related stuff, something that's also hard to get a good answer from random folks on the internet, and perhaps better suited to contact a lawyer instead" CreationDate="2022-05-16T23:01:00.757" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23409" PostId="7083" Score="0" Text="You didn't vote to reopen it? Why not?" CreationDate="2022-07-23T01:28:38.803" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23412" PostId="7083" Score="0" Text="The problem with this question is it asks whether there is an alternative to using a personal phone for authentication at a hypothetical company and what would be the hypothetical consequences to hypothetically refusing to allow the company to put an app on your personal phone. The answers to that are all opinions based on how different answerers imagine the circumstances at this hypothetical company. Even fixed, it's probably a dupe of [Being asked to install corporate software on personal phone](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/125075/26699)." CreationDate="2022-07-27T15:32:44.983" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23277" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="That was me, it didn't seem ranty enough to discard the whole answer. No we don't encourage political rants, but it has 11 upvotes and downvotes. So must have some merit. I don't understand the political references myself but I failed to find any harm or malice in it." CreationDate="2022-05-18T05:27:05.117" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23279" PostId="7084" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi &quot;I failed to find any harm or malice in it.&quot; I find that hard to believe. What does the one-paragraph rant about conservatives, for example, have to do with answering the question?" CreationDate="2022-05-18T05:33:17.730" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23280" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="There was also an attempt to edit out a paragraph. If 11 people upvote, and 11 downvote, then I take that as having some merit. I personally don't think it's a good answer. Lots of answers have bits that are not directly relevant. And I have no idea what a conservative is." CreationDate="2022-05-18T05:34:49.763" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23281" PostId="7084" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi &quot;There was also an attempt to edit out a paragraph.&quot; Correct. An off-topic paragraph that has nothing to do with the question, as many users agree. So why did you decline the flag?" CreationDate="2022-05-18T05:35:52.040" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23282" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi &quot;I have no idea what a conservative is.&quot; I also find that hard to believe." CreationDate="2022-05-18T05:36:08.197" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23283" PostId="7084" Score="1" Text="Why hard to believe? It's true enough. I'm on an independent Polynesian Island, overseas politics to me are just crooks in suits... each as bad as the other... no offence" CreationDate="2022-05-18T05:38:02.893" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23284" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Please answer the question." CreationDate="2022-05-18T05:38:32.770" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23285" PostId="7084" Score="1" Text="I have, but if you disbelieve my answers, it seems pointless." CreationDate="2022-05-18T05:39:00.033" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23286" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi You have not explained why you declined to remove the off-topic political rant that has nothing to do with answering the question. That does not require &quot;discarding the whole answer&quot;." CreationDate="2022-05-18T05:39:50.177" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23287" PostId="7084" Score="1" Text="Because I didn't see a need, nor did anyone else who reviewed it I assume. I would never mess with someones answer without good reason." CreationDate="2022-05-18T06:12:12.183" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23288" PostId="7084" Score="2" Text="There is a difference between *encouraged* and *tolerated*.  Also, the whole purpose of the voting system is to mark out answers that the community perceives as *wrong* in one way or another." CreationDate="2022-05-18T08:26:06.267" UserId="128774" />
  <row Id="23296" PostId="7084" Score="1" Text="I don't see the need for your rather abusive tone and demands towards the moderators.  Also, you have been a member for six years and 10 months, and have a 101 rep?  Are you just here to cause trouble?" CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:08:55.287" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23297" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="So, just to be clear, is your objection to political rants in general, or just conservatives?  It seems that that word has put a bee in your bonnet" CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:11:04.700" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23317" PostId="7084" Score="2" Text="I have deleted the paragraph about conservatives. I think the paragraph is actually pretty inflammatory. I can perfectly accept that @Kilisi with maybe a lesser understanding of US politics may not see it." CreationDate="2022-05-19T15:00:35.613" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23320" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I don't understand your question, or your rude tone." CreationDate="2022-05-19T16:12:35.990" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23321" PostId="7084" Score="1" Text="@GregoryCurrie computercarguy reverted your edit. Seems like they're adamant in keeping the off-topic political rant." CreationDate="2022-05-19T16:15:28.373" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23322" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="It's pretty much the only part I have a real problem with. I edited, and explained the rationale. They decided to revert, which is their right." CreationDate="2022-05-19T17:14:46.847" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23323" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="@user76284 I'm not even matching your tone towards Kilisi.  Might I also point out that the exact same thing is happening to your question posted here?  Should we delete this because it's controversial and political in nature?  The voting system works, and for the most part, we want to leave things alone." CreationDate="2022-05-19T20:15:53.900" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23326" PostId="7084" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter &quot;I'm not even matching your tone towards Kilisi.&quot; Right. You're being extremely rude and I'm not. &quot;the exact same thing is happening to your question posted here&quot; What is? &quot;it's... political in nature&quot; Nonsense." CreationDate="2022-05-19T21:21:19.430" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23327" PostId="7084" Score="2" Text="@user76284 I'm being blunt not rude.  You came in here demanding answers, then grilling Kilisi.  You also questioned his veracity, in saying &quot;I find that hard to believe&quot;, You derided his reasoning, demanded he answer your question when he already did, and were borderline abusive towards him.  I will refrain from voicing my opinion about your overall behavior as I have have no desire to earn a suspension, and it would be richly earned.  You've been mostly dormant for nearly seven years and chose to make your big entrance for the sole purpose of pestering a mod.  Somewhat sus...." CreationDate="2022-05-20T00:46:28.133" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23328" PostId="7084" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter &quot;You came in here demanding answers&quot; I came here *asking* for answers. Do you know what a question and answer site is for? &quot;I find that hard to believe&quot; That's true. Why would a moderator who &quot;has no idea what a conservative is&quot; intervene in this matter instead of leaving it to someone who does? &quot;demanded he answer your question when he already did&quot; He did not answer the question. Try reading the conversation again. &quot;were borderline abusive towards him&quot; Nonsense. That's a pure invention on your part. &quot;it would be richly earned&quot; More nonsense. You're projecting your own malice." CreationDate="2022-05-20T04:33:00.660" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23329" PostId="7084" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter &quot;You've been mostly dormant for nearly seven years&quot; So? How I spend my personal time is none of your business. Attacking someone for *not* participating on a site? Madness. &quot;chose to make your big entrance&quot; What dramatic language for asking a question. Absolutely ridiculous. &quot;for the sole purpose of pestering a mod&quot; You're out of your mind. Here, try reading [this](https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/whats-meta). Do you know what the duties of a moderator are? Do you know what Meta is for? Hint: It's for asking questions to the community and the moderators." CreationDate="2022-05-20T04:36:16.737" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23289" PostId="7085" Score="2" Text="With all due respect, the relevant portions of the answer clearly touched on hot button issues that may be apparent only to someone with knowledge of the current US political situation." CreationDate="2022-05-18T10:40:33.363" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23291" PostId="7085" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I understand that, I was just answering why I declined the flag. I don't take flags lightly." CreationDate="2022-05-18T10:42:38.367" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23292" PostId="7085" Score="1" Text="I was trying to point out why you should have let other mods make that decision, IMHO. Anyway, the deed is done." CreationDate="2022-05-18T10:44:38.297" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23293" PostId="7085" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Perhaps.... my judgement isn't perfect, done now though. I've learnt something at least." CreationDate="2022-05-18T10:46:14.003" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23294" PostId="7085" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere is there an American mod?" CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:00:37.963" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23299" PostId="7085" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter - (shrug) I don't know where most of the mods live." CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:25:25.033" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23302" PostId="7085" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I like American movies if that counts... Clint Eastward ones" CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:33:44.897" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23304" PostId="7085" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi I'd really love to see how America is seen in the rest of the world.  I think that all the culture that leaks out into the rest of the world is based out of New York, Los Angeles, and a distorted view of Texas." CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:40:17.343" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23305" PostId="7085" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter any country is distorted until you've lived there 20 years and actively studied the place. US is probably too big to get through thoroughly in a lifetime though... I have no ambitions on ever going there" CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:45:27.443" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23306" PostId="7085" Score="1" Text="Yeah, 50 states, all with their sub cultures." CreationDate="2022-05-18T14:06:42.920" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23312" PostId="7085" Score="1" Text="@Old_Lamplighter America is a continent, and I do live in America... hehehe... (it's a strong pet peeve for us in Central America/Latin America to hear or see USA being called &quot;Muricah&quot;... but yeah USA is quite big and several sub-cultures I reckon)" CreationDate="2022-05-18T17:41:17.750" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23313" PostId="7085" Score="1" Text="@DarkCygnus Yeah, but we are the only ones who have &quot;America&quot; in our name.  But yes, there are several territories not on the continent.  Including Hawaii." CreationDate="2022-05-18T19:41:47.720" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23290" PostId="7086" Score="0" Text="COVID is a tender subject anywhere, but I didn't see any lines crossed. If the community wants it deleted, they can 'Vote to delete' no rationalisation or mod intervention necessary." CreationDate="2022-05-18T10:41:08.237" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23295" PostId="7086" Score="1" Text="That answer is at the absolute bottom, and I've seen far more political answers stand, nasty comments as well." CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:02:58.530" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23298" PostId="7086" Score="0" Text="Also, that user has been here for six years, and has contributed virtually nothing, but a few comments, and now leads with a rant about conservative politics?  He was here when the pronoun PD were throwing their weight around, why was he quiet then.  I suspect that this user is trolling" CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:13:55.263" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23300" PostId="7086" Score="2" Text="@Old_Lamplighter - could be trolling. I don't know. I do know that COVID questions and answers are doomed to bring out the worst. They should all be scrubbed or deleted. The question and answers would be better without that irrelevant factoid, IMHO. I removed the COVID reference from the question. Apparently someone decided to put it back." CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:27:37.377" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23301" PostId="7086" Score="2" Text="@Old_Lamplighter - rather than get into an edit war over the question and answers, **I voted to delete the question. I'd encourage others to do the same.**" CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:33:42.363" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23303" PostId="7086" Score="0" Text="Well, that's an issue of maturity more than the disease, and the general tone of debate has degenerated to the point of mud slinging.  The trolling tactic is to make issues so volitile as to make them impossible to discuss.  Deleting the question is giving in to that tactic" CreationDate="2022-05-18T13:36:04.957" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23308" PostId="7086" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter Who are you talking about? I think you have confused me with someone else. Where did I &quot;rant about conservative politics&quot;? I'm doing the opposite: I'm pointing out that a rant about conservatives in another user's answer is off-topic." CreationDate="2022-05-18T15:53:07.403" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23309" PostId="7086" Score="1" Text="@user76284 you are not new here.  It is my opinion that you are trying to stir the pot." CreationDate="2022-05-18T15:54:01.320" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23310" PostId="7086" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter I'm pointing out an off-topic rant in an answer that has nothing to do with answering the question. Other users agree. How is that &quot;trying to stir the pot&quot;?" CreationDate="2022-05-18T15:59:27.687" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23311" PostId="7086" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter What does being &quot;new here&quot; have to do with anything?" CreationDate="2022-05-18T16:00:24.020" UserId="38020" />
  <row Id="23315" PostId="7086" Score="1" Text="Joe, your delete vote won't work because answer has positive score. And trusted users can't cast more delete votes because of that. At current vote split +17/-16 it looks like it has got bunch of upvotes from hot questions visitors who are entertained by rants as usual" CreationDate="2022-05-19T07:48:48.167" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23316" PostId="7086" Score="1" Text="@gnat - I vote only when I feel a question should definitely be closed. I don't do that often. I don't worry about if it will &quot;work&quot; or not." CreationDate="2022-05-19T10:48:15.707" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23335" PostId="7088" Score="0" Text="I voted to reopen." CreationDate="2022-05-23T15:44:13.593" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23341" PostId="7088" Score="0" Text="The link opens your answer. I think it should lead users to the actual question https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/184982/is-it-good-form-to-put-detailed-reasons-why-you-are-resigning-from-a-company-in" CreationDate="2022-05-25T08:19:39.820" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23342" PostId="7088" Score="0" Text="@Mari-LouA I found it to link to it from the answer in my profile. Should be fixed now (if anyone ever looks at this again...)" CreationDate="2022-05-25T19:33:17.060" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="23331" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="I mostly agree. It IS an international site. I wouldn't make an exception for my own country if it ever comes up. I don't see why the US should be treated as a special case.... no offence intended to US people. In terms of mod intervention. For the rest the community individuals are free to downvote, vote to delete or anything else in their toolbox without hindrance for any reason or no reason as they see fit. I couldn't justify messing with that, it's fundamental to the site." CreationDate="2022-05-23T07:15:08.103" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23332" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="Just for the record, I'm not disputing what you've presented as facts. I'm disputing their relevance. If Alice has reasons, then as you rightly pointed out, she should address those reasons. Maybe they are COVID related. Maybe they are not. People will always find ways to argue facts (as well as &quot;facts&quot;), and with this particularity divisive topic, if you can avoid opening a can of worms, why wouldn't you." CreationDate="2022-05-23T14:15:08.487" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23333" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="I mean, by choosing to post COVID facts, for no reason, you're really inviting all the &quot;weirdos&quot; to dispute parts of your answer, than don't really matter in the grand scheme of things. I'm not sure what you're expecting mods to do. Basically do their own research and delete the comments which are factually wrong?" CreationDate="2022-05-23T14:17:19.983" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23334" PostId="7089" Score="1" Text="I don't expect the mods to do anything at all, except move to chat and comment lock when people don't listen. What I *don't* want, is that the question or answer are changed, based on how many trolls comment. If the comments are a problem, tackle the problem." CreationDate="2022-05-23T15:20:26.387" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23336" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt I'm not saying the comments are the problem. I'm saying the answer is the problem (because it contains pointless information)." CreationDate="2022-05-23T17:10:25.327" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23337" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="I'm always surprised how other people determine what is and isn't pointless in my own answer. I already told you, I would have written a different answer if this weren't a back-from-work after COVID in a time were COVID is still active. You may think the answer would have been *the same* without COVID, *I don't*. Without COVID around, my answer would have been different. That is why you are free to write your own answer and I would like to keep mine as it is." CreationDate="2022-05-23T17:12:38.147" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23339" PostId="7089" Score="1" Text="@nvoigt You literally say in your answer &quot;I would assume she has a good reason to not show.&quot; Which means that the whole COVID spiel you went on with is irrelevant. I don't understand why you'd go to do much effort to attempt to justify a particular reason, and then tell us to trust on face value that Alice has a good reason, which may be completely different. Did you mean to say that we should assume that Alice has the same reason that you present?" CreationDate="2022-05-24T03:05:12.003" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23340" PostId="7089" Score="0" Text="Yes, if someone does not return to pre-COVID workplaces in COVID times, I will make the educated guess and say: that has to do with COVID. Could it be something else? Sure. Maybe she was abducated by aliens. I cannot rule that out. But I think COVID is a  valid guess, as good as any guess we constantly make here." CreationDate="2022-05-24T05:07:06.687" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23338" PostId="7090" Score="0" Text="For example, in my opinion the advice I gave in my answer to the question is professional and appropriate for a resignation letter, but would be inappropriate and outright hostile for an exit interview." CreationDate="2022-05-23T20:17:08.133" UserId="64188" />
  <row Id="23343" PostId="7098" Score="1" Text="It appears that you got the only answer you need: nightshifts are counted as part of the day on which they begin. Without providing any other context, what more are you looking for? &quot;Is this codified by law? Are there regulations?&quot; - are legal questions. &quot;Or can everybody handle this as they please?&quot; - is a company-specific question." CreationDate="2022-06-06T12:01:00.757" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23344" PostId="7098" Score="0" Text="&quot;nightshifts are counted as part of the day on which they begin.&quot; I'm not so sure. Seems to be a weak consensus so far. But it would've been an acceptable answer, if it was a little bit more substantiated." CreationDate="2022-06-06T16:09:18.073" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23345" PostId="7098" Score="0" Text="Are legal questions strongly concerned with the workplace off-topic here?" CreationDate="2022-06-06T16:10:20.817" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23348" PostId="7098" Score="0" Text="&quot;Nightshift have been around for some time, I would've expected that people would handle this consistently.&quot; We have no idea what &quot;handle&quot; means. I've worked night shifts and I've never had to deal with whatever problem you are having." CreationDate="2022-06-06T16:59:31.590" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23349" PostId="7098" Score="0" Text="Just read the original question again. It defines very precisely, what I mean by &quot;handle&quot;. And the fact that this question never occured to you makes it off-topic?" CreationDate="2022-06-06T17:17:11.757" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23350" PostId="7098" Score="5" Text="@user1785730 Your inability to articulate some sort of context makes it off topic. You said you want to make a table. That's about as much information that we get. We don't know for what purpose this table is made, who it is going to seen by, what they are going to do with the data, etc. If it's just for your personal use, do whatever you want." CreationDate="2022-06-07T01:07:04.787" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23351" PostId="7098" Score="0" Text="@user1785730 And no, the question is meaningless to me. You may as well have asked, &quot;What colour is Saturday?&quot;." CreationDate="2022-06-07T01:08:20.147" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23352" PostId="7098" Score="0" Text="I've made a [new question](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/185433/135123) offering all the context and background I have. Hopefully you'll be able to answer it now." CreationDate="2022-06-07T14:22:54.573" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23346" PostId="7099" Score="0" Text="Sorry, I couldn't follow you there. How exactly did my question make you think of restroom visits?" CreationDate="2022-06-06T16:12:56.473" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23347" PostId="7099" Score="0" Text="@user1785730 Your question may as well have been." CreationDate="2022-06-06T16:56:16.113" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23353" PostId="7100" Score="7" Text="I don't agree that The Workplace is a toxic community. It may well have a few folks that aren't as welcoming as they could be, along with a handful that are clearly &quot;close happy&quot;. That said, you were repeatedly asked for context, clarification and more details - all things needed to provide a useful answer. You were reluctant to provide any. That often leads some to downvote the question." CreationDate="2022-06-07T21:44:20.247" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23354" PostId="7100" Score="2" Text="*&quot;That said, you were repeatedly asked for context, clarification and more details - all things needed to provide a useful answer. You were reluctant to provide any. That often leads some to downvote the question&quot;* - without taking a look at your two questions, what Joe says is very important. People on this stack are very active and engaged to posts, so providing timely feedback and clarification is important to obtain good answers and avoid Downvotes and closure (posting a Q and just leaving it unattended here is a no-go, contrast to other sites like perhaps SO where answers take more time)." CreationDate="2022-06-07T22:20:38.233" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23355" PostId="7100" Score="1" Text="If you posed questions on Stack Overflow that were vaguely worded and then didn't clarify them, they would be closed. No difference. Many of my excellent questions on SO attracted downvotes almost immediately." CreationDate="2022-06-07T23:48:27.337" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23356" PostId="7100" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi: I disagree that my question was vaguely worded. What **I** wanted to know was pretty clear I think. Some people however demanded more context and background information, that I don't think helped to answer the question. I provided it anyway hoping that would calm them. I was wrong." CreationDate="2022-06-08T00:02:55.970" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23357" PostId="7100" Score="0" Text="You got an answer to the first question although the question was vague. But the main issue with it is (reading between the lines of comments) you're conflating the day with the overtime. When it's actually unimportant and confusing to do so. I didn't downvote or even read the second question." CreationDate="2022-06-08T00:07:31.793" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23358" PostId="7100" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus: &quot;posting a Q and just leaving it unattended here is a no-go&quot;. I find this to be a very strange sentiment. After all, this is Q&amp;A site, not a forum. The goal is not primarily help the OP, but to create a collection of great questions and answers. It should be obvious, that that takes time. Who cares in a year from now (if my questions is then still around), that it took me an hour to respond to a comment?" CreationDate="2022-06-08T00:08:04.153" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23359" PostId="7100" Score="0" Text="So you may have worked nightshift Friday for 8 hours ending Saturday 6AM, but in terms of rates that may be shown as 2 hours worked on Friday, 6 on Saturday. The fact that it was nightshift only affects the hourly rate change if any. And while you may think the question was clear, many people obviously did not." CreationDate="2022-06-08T00:11:17.647" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23360" PostId="7100" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi: Thank you for your answer on my first question. I actually accepted a similar one on my second question. I still disagree though that the question was vague. How could I've anticipated that people would equate overtime with overtime pay? That still seems strange to me." CreationDate="2022-06-08T00:13:37.667" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23361" PostId="7100" Score="3" Text="There is no telling why people think what they think. I'm sorry you feel you had a bad experience. We have a well intentioned community here for the most part." CreationDate="2022-06-08T00:15:52.793" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23362" PostId="7100" Score="0" Text="@user1785730 I'm just pointing out what I've observed is the dynamics of this site. I'm sorry there are folks that are quick to DV or vote to close. Fortunately, there are ways to navigate that, like posting here on Meta as you did, or posting here on meta a [meta-tag:reopen-request] where you expose your post and ask the community to vote to reopen... that being said, I'm sorry you had this perception of hostility; I wish you nothing but the best and welcome you to The Workplace, and hope your future experiences are better :)" CreationDate="2022-06-08T01:23:34.703" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23368" PostId="7100" Score="0" Text="SE site had rather strict, sometimes not so obvious rules, and Workplace tends to be somewhat annoying, since the rules are even less clear then elsewhere. (Since the whole topic is very soft and fuzzy area - compared to &quot;My code does not work, why?&quot; questions.) Your first question was too vague, though, and was closed rightfully. That said, some folks commenting on it were definitely kinda mean. (Me included, frankly.)" CreationDate="2022-06-08T15:09:54.910" UserId="134358" />
  <row Id="23388" PostId="7100" Score="0" Text="Yes, Workspace is as toxic as the real workspaces where the people are working. But it was asked so many times, it's definitely a duplicate." CreationDate="2022-06-13T17:18:04.463" UserId="64225" />
  <row Id="23419" PostId="7100" Score="0" Text="Wow - it is well known fact that SO is *the most toxic site* on the internet and in the universe (https://meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=toxic). :) (Side note: you may want to edit out part of re-asking the same question as that is definitely not something you'd even try to do on SO - very unclear why you expect re-asking to be ok on other SE sites)." CreationDate="2022-09-01T15:07:54.737" UserId="40161" />
  <row Id="23363" PostId="7101" Score="0" Text="The problem is that you (and others) interpreted way too much into my question. My question at its core was very simple. You don't need to know *why* I was asking this question. If you think it doesn't matter to which day to associate the hours, you could've just written an answer stating that." CreationDate="2022-06-08T14:24:16.360" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23364" PostId="7101" Score="0" Text="And that it might be problematic to lump together overtime with different payout value would've been much appreciated feedback. I have to admit, that I wasn't thinking much on that, but I don't think that it completely invalidates my question." CreationDate="2022-06-08T14:26:13.443" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23365" PostId="7101" Score="1" Text="But the behaviour from you I perceived as outright hostile. I know that it wasn't personal, you probably just took it upon yourself to defend some standards of this community that you felt I were violating. Nevertheless it has been very frustrating." CreationDate="2022-06-08T14:30:59.957" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23366" PostId="7101" Score="5" Text="@user1785730 The issue is that without some additional context, your question is meaningless. Which is why people voted to close it. If you had come out from the start and explained that you were trying to build a tool that allowed people to track hours worked for the purposes of ensuring their holidays were correctly calculated, people would have responded differently and answered accordingly." CreationDate="2022-06-08T15:02:11.087" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23367" PostId="7101" Score="8" Text="@user1785730 &quot;You don't need to know why I was asking this question.&quot; The community, whose opinion that you asked, disagrees with you on that point." CreationDate="2022-06-08T15:04:04.007" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23373" PostId="7101" Score="0" Text="&quot;that's a stylistic decision for you to make.&quot; No, it's not. There is laws about that. And the OP specifically asked if there is laws about that. It's fine to tell them &quot;The laws don't cover that, it's your decision&quot; if that is indeed the case, but I get the impression that you don't actually know that." CreationDate="2022-06-11T06:47:48.600" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23374" PostId="7101" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt Feel free to quote the law. My understanding is, that overtime worked in excess during the duration of the contracted period." CreationDate="2022-06-11T08:12:53.550" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23376" PostId="7101" Score="0" Text="So what does the law say about overtime in excess of a shift from 8 PM to 6 AM? does it belong to the day before or the day after? Because there are laws saying you may not do more than 2 hours of overtime per day. So if your shift ended at 10PM, would you be allowed to do 4 hours overtime, 2 on that day until midnight and then another two &quot;the next day&quot;? Those are interesting questions and I don't know the answer, but I know there will be an answer because laws don't tend to go the &quot;don't care, do as you like&quot; way." CreationDate="2022-06-11T08:44:37.757" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23377" PostId="7101" Score="0" Text="The OP explicitely asked in the body of their first question &quot;Is this codified by law? Are there regulations?&quot; What more context do you need?" CreationDate="2022-06-11T08:44:53.697" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23379" PostId="7101" Score="0" Text="@nvoigt Filling out a spreadsheet? No, probably not. Maybe if the spreadsheet will be submitted somewhere?" CreationDate="2022-06-11T09:11:36.450" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23380" PostId="7101" Score="0" Text="Well, if you *want* to misunderstand their question, sure, you can think that way." CreationDate="2022-06-11T09:12:19.267" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23381" PostId="7101" Score="0" Text="&quot;I want to attribute a nightshift to a day and am not sure wether to choose the starting or the ending day... I want to attribute the hole shift as it is to a day&quot; My impression they just want to fill out a spreadsheet. Maybe they want to validate overtime calculations too." CreationDate="2022-06-11T09:21:44.517" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23369" PostId="7102" Score="1" Text="**YOU FAILED** to actually read my question. Otherwise you would know that I wasn't interested in in any of these policies. I even defined precisely, what I mean by overtime. And I admitted that what many of you supposed I was doing wouldn't work. Your insinuation that I did not respond to requests for clarification is just absurd." CreationDate="2022-06-08T22:22:03.820" UserId="135123" />
  <row Id="23372" PostId="7102" Score="0" Text="The original question said they are interested in &quot;Germany&quot;. And Germany has indeed nation wide labor laws governing overtime. I don't know the answer on top of my head because I don't work nightshifts, but everything needed to answer is right there in the question. I think with a *minimum* of good will (making the country explicitely mentioned in the body a tag for people that don't read properly) this could have been a good question instead of being nuked from orbit." CreationDate="2022-06-10T21:02:29.363" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23375" PostId="7103" Score="2" Text="When asked what the data is used for: &quot;There is no further context.&quot; Unless German law mandates you fill out spreadsheets a certain way (for maybe personal use), I fail to see how you can say this is answerable. There may be contexts where filling out worked hours may need to be done a certain way. Maybe if the spreadsheet is going to be sent to some authority. But OP won't tell us the purpose of the spreadsheet." CreationDate="2022-06-11T08:21:33.753" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23378" PostId="7103" Score="0" Text="The OP clearly asked &quot;Is this codified by law? Are there regulations?&quot; Isn't that all context you need to answer with a section of the regulations or law, or alternatively, if you know that law really well, tell them that there are none? That is factual information that is good to have, no matter what context." CreationDate="2022-06-11T08:51:12.383" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23382" PostId="7103" Score="2" Text="The original question &quot; I'm particularly interested in the situation in Germany, but hints from anywhere are fine. Please mention in your answer to which country your rules apply.&quot;  makes it unanswerable.  The help even spells it out: To prevent your question from being flagged and possibly removed, avoid asking subjective questions where every answer is equally valid: “What’s your favorite ______?”" CreationDate="2022-06-11T12:37:27.123" UserId="127" />
  <row Id="23383" PostId="7103" Score="1" Text="In principle, if a question is unclear to you (not to everybody, just to you as an individual) you can vote to close. You can also ask for clarity, which many people did. Voting is a personal thing and should be treated as such." CreationDate="2022-06-13T11:55:49.853" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="23384" PostId="7103" Score="0" Text="@RoryAlsop So based on this I should vote every question about labor law that is not Germany or the US as unclear, because I personally know nothing about it?" CreationDate="2022-06-13T12:42:30.210" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23386" PostId="7103" Score="0" Text="reductio ad absurdum is exactly what it says. Absurd." CreationDate="2022-06-13T14:25:17.003" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="23387" PostId="7103" Score="1" Text="Well, to each their own, I find it profoundly absurd that we closed a perfectly answerable question, because 5 people *who had no clue what an answer would look like* voted to close it." CreationDate="2022-06-13T15:01:56.967" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23385" PostId="7104" Score="3" Text="They were likely flagged as not being necessary.  Why are you using offensive vulgarity?  Moderator explained what happen, the unnecessary commentary, was moved to a [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/137041/discussion-on-question-by-the-great-how-to-politely-stop-a-colleagues-rude-rema).  The vulgarity likely was deleted before this migration happened otherwise it would have been flagged for removal within the chat. [Mod Explaination](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/185537/how-to-politely-stop-a-colleagues-rude-remarks-about-the-way-i-sip-alcohol#comment608374_185537)" CreationDate="2022-06-13T14:02:14.677" UserId="593" />
  <row Id="23389" PostId="7104" Score="0" Text="@Donald I don't think I said anything offsensive, I certainly didn't intend to!" CreationDate="2022-06-14T06:01:58.087" UserId="29163" />
  <row Id="23390" PostId="7105" Score="0" Text="Makes sense, cheers." CreationDate="2022-06-14T06:02:26.240" UserId="29163" />
  <row Id="23391" PostId="7106" Score="2" Text="That makes sense thanks." CreationDate="2022-06-14T06:03:58.297" UserId="29163" />
  <row Id="23403" PostId="7107" Score="0" Text="according to [timeline](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/185592/timeline) the question is in the HNQ since yesterday. This means many votes (up) to the answers over there come from random passers by from all over Stack Exchange network (primarily from Stack Overflow) who have no slightest idea about whatever consensus we have at our site, nor any interest to learn anything about it" CreationDate="2022-06-15T13:33:59.857" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23404" PostId="7107" Score="3" Text="&quot;Is there a consensus about what up- and down-voting mean for answers?&quot; - No." CreationDate="2022-06-15T14:05:26.867" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23405" PostId="7112" Score="0" Text="The OP has addressed the comments after closure and it looks clear enough to me now. Not the best question but doesn't fit the closure reason anymore. I'll make a judgement call on it" CreationDate="2022-06-30T05:58:26.643" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23406" PostId="7112" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Actually, when the OP clarified the open points, the question was still at 4 close votes when I edited in their info. So someone else must have felt it was unclear... or more likely felt the need to push the question over the threshold without actually looking at it." CreationDate="2022-06-30T05:59:59.807" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23407" PostId="7112" Score="0" Text="The effed up thing with the SE model of doing this (and this is certainly not specific to this site or question) is that as far as I know, votes aren't shown. So for the OP, the timeline now is: asked question =&gt; was asked for clarification =&gt; provided clarification =&gt; question was closed as unclear. That timeline is just weird for anyone not looking behind the scenes." CreationDate="2022-06-30T06:02:10.693" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23408" PostId="7112" Score="1" Text="Good thing you're watching then, or it would still be closed. I looked at it a bit earlier and wondered why it was closed, but wouldn't have reopened without someone elses input." CreationDate="2022-06-30T06:03:18.287" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23410" PostId="7114" Score="0" Text="I see they are already synonyms... https://workplace.stackexchange.com/tags/remote-work/synonyms" CreationDate="2022-07-25T17:46:45.767" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23411" PostId="7114" Score="2" Text="@DarkCygnus I'm only seeing &quot;remotework&quot; as a synonym for &quot;remote-work&quot;. Under [synonyms for telecommute](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/tags/telecommute/synonyms) I see &quot;remote&quot; and &quot;work-from-home&quot; but not &quot;remote-work&quot;. Neither telecommute nor remote-work appear in the synonym lists for each other." CreationDate="2022-07-25T18:01:24.270" UserId="34163" />
  <row Id="23414" PostId="7115" Score="5" Text="It looks similar to [Insubordinate chief engineer training colleagues to be &quot;too mobile&quot; out of spite](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/166883/insubordinate-chief-engineer-training-colleagues-to-be-too-mobile-out-of-spite), but I think I've seen others as well in the past (I know you've seen this comment on the actual question, but just posting it here for completeness)." CreationDate="2022-08-08T10:06:52.707" UserId="62865" />
  <row Id="23415" PostId="7115" Score="2" Text="MBAs can't handle the truth, hence the throwaways and lack of accepted answers." CreationDate="2022-08-10T10:35:19.440" UserId="44593" />
  <row Id="23416" PostId="7115" Score="2" Text="@IanKemp that or trolls making up posts..." CreationDate="2022-08-11T00:28:35.117" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23439" PostId="7115" Score="0" Text="Maybe naïveté on my part, but *why* would someone invest time and energy into astroturfing the same (core) question over and over? What do they gain from it?" CreationDate="2022-10-06T10:31:16.400" UserId="87821" />
  <row Id="23440" PostId="7115" Score="0" Text="@esqew I don't know. For a while we had a person who would ask variations of &quot;I pooped in my bosses office&quot; every few weeks. I guess they get something out of it. The only way to stop it is to not entertain them." CreationDate="2022-10-06T10:51:40.807" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23417" PostId="7116" Score="2" Text="Appreciate the summary! If you see questions like this in future, by all means flag them for moderator attention. These types of questions in particular are difficult to judge. Most of the questions that end up popular tend to follow this kind of pattern. One of the most telling signs is usually that the OP puts in place bizarre constrains that mean there just aren't any good answers. That also makes the post unsuitable for Q&amp;A purposes so these tend to be easier for us to handle." CreationDate="2022-08-11T20:15:26.823" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23418" PostId="7118" Score="2" Text="Neither did I make that &quot;answer&quot; a comment, but I would have done the same. It's basically a series of questions seeking clarification from OP, something that belongs in a comment" CreationDate="2022-08-18T18:57:01.713" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23420" PostId="7124" Score="7" Text="Bravo! Tons of great answers!" CreationDate="2022-09-10T11:23:17.273" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23421" PostId="7124" Score="0" Text="Unlikely!! This is one of the longest answers I've seen in a while from K!" CreationDate="2022-09-15T14:19:48.453" UserId="61983" />
  <row Id="23422" PostId="7125" Score="3" Text="Whats reddit?..." CreationDate="2022-09-21T12:55:21.777" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23423" PostId="7125" Score="1" Text="Worth reading some of the questions that are heavily downvoted :-)" CreationDate="2022-09-21T16:29:44.767" UserId="647" />
  <row Id="23429" PostId="7125" Score="2" Text="This topic comes up quite often so I'd suggest searching through earlier questions on this. I'd say that generally we tend to have a large volume of off-topic / poor quality questions come in. Many of those can be improved and made on-topic and as I've said before I think the community does a fine job at that. But a substantial amount is just not a good fit for the site or never sees an update with additional info from the OP and remains closed and down-voted. I'd wager that we do attract more of this type of input than other sites because we're less technical but still have a narrow scope." CreationDate="2022-09-22T19:18:36.977" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23426" PostId="7127" Score="1" Text="What are the requirements to become a mod?" CreationDate="2022-09-22T16:05:17.920" UserId="98765" />
  <row Id="23427" PostId="7127" Score="0" Text="For additional info, refer to [past elections](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/election), [What's it like being a Workplace Moderator?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5938), and the [Theory of Moderation](https://stackoverflow.blog/2009/05/18/a-theory-of-moderation/). Also: [Current moderators: please tell us about the job](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2476) and [What are the day-to-day activities of Moderators?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/6553)" CreationDate="2022-09-22T19:06:12.057" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23428" PostId="7127" Score="0" Text="@zmike The election process including moderator requirements is described in detail here: [There's an election going on. What's happening and how does it work?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/135360). Details on the candidate score can be found here: [What are the details on the &quot;candidate score&quot; which shows during an election?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/252641). A high candidate score isn't a hard requirement but tends to be important. Historically people with (very) low scores haven't had great odds at attracting votes." CreationDate="2022-09-22T19:09:54.380" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23424" PostId="7128" Score="9" Text="If the mods need help, I think it's an excellent idea to elect more. But I'm not going to self-nominate, so I guess I can't upvote this answer." CreationDate="2022-09-21T18:17:41.710" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23425" PostId="7128" Score="1" Text="@JoeStrazzere thats fine, although I do think you'd make an excellent mod. At this point we're just trying to gauge interest. If enough people are interested there will be two slots available rather than one. If there's not enough interest, we'll just defer it until next year." CreationDate="2022-09-21T23:48:40.593" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23430" PostId="7128" Score="2" Text="I agree with @JoeStrazzere but I can't upvote the answer because I am not going to self nominate." CreationDate="2022-09-23T07:38:30.337" UserId="123900" />
  <row Id="23457" PostId="7128" Score="0" Text="I wont self-nominate either, and I can't upvote." CreationDate="2022-10-27T17:14:35.907" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23458" PostId="7128" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter you'd make a good mod imo" CreationDate="2022-10-27T20:39:12.210" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23459" PostId="7128" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi I'm a mod at another site now, stepping into a new role at my job, and have family matters that are rather pressing.  In the future, I might consider it." CreationDate="2022-10-28T13:03:49.990" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23460" PostId="7128" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter up to you, you're an extremely valuable member of TWP with or without a diamond." CreationDate="2022-10-29T04:10:08.873" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23431" PostId="7130" Score="9" Text="You want to know your rights as an anonymous poster in a public forum because somehow you think this is GDPR abuse? Wouldn't it be easier to ask the Mods nicely to delete you entirely from the system rather than threatening them?" CreationDate="2022-10-03T00:22:58.997" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23437" PostId="7130" Score="3" Text="The fault of venting your frustrations and revealing details of your rapport with  superiors etc is yours and yours alone. You had the time to delete the question before receiving an answer. Accepting it and then immediately deleting the question was rude to the answerer. Your last hope is to politely ask the user, whose answer you accepted, to delete their own post and then delete your question (though there's the slight chance the mods might undelete both posts). There is no obligation for the user to delete their answer, but 50 points is not such a big deal, so they just might." CreationDate="2022-10-04T09:50:35.260" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23438" PostId="7130" Score="3" Text="“Accepting it and then immediately deleting the **content of the question was rude …”" CreationDate="2022-10-04T20:33:38.073" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23432" PostId="7131" Score="0" Text="That makes it quite predatory then, in my opinion." CreationDate="2022-10-03T12:05:07.420" UserId="121422" />
  <row Id="23433" PostId="7131" Score="0" Text="Absolutely not happy at you for removing my right to amend my own content if I feel it's going to get me in trouble. Really honestly not interested if the two of you that have posted here, don't agree with me. It doesn't matter what you think, it matters what I think and I believe it's identification that can easily identify me if the wrong person comes across it. It would also quite negatively adversely affect my position too, but that quite clearly doesn't matter to you. Internet points do." CreationDate="2022-10-03T12:07:06.573" UserId="121422" />
  <row Id="23434" PostId="7131" Score="0" Text="I've gotten in touch with ICO (the national privacy rights organisation in my country) and will be going over your heads. What you're doing is extremely low-quality and insensitive, and I won't stop until that post is gone entirely from this site. That is my right, and it goes beyond some silly content rules you've set here." CreationDate="2022-10-03T12:09:45.490" UserId="121422" />
  <row Id="23436" PostId="7131" Score="5" Text="I'm sorry you feel that way. No one bears you any malice. But this site is not about an individuals beliefs although we do try to cater to individuals. In this case if it hadn't had an upvoted answer which was accepted I might have deleted the whole question. Although with reluctance because many well meaning individuals spent the time to read through your problem in hopes of helping you. But since it has and in my judgement does not pose a significant identity threat, I suggest again that you remove any personal identity information you imagine is in the post. I don't see the need for drama." CreationDate="2022-10-03T12:28:48.360" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23441" PostId="7134" Score="1" Text="sounds a bit meta-taggish... what about &quot;eastern europe&quot;? should we do it also? anyways no asker has created it so far so it would seem nobody has needed it so far..." CreationDate="2022-10-07T18:23:40.410" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23442" PostId="7134" Score="5" Text="&quot;Western Europe&quot; is not a juristiction. It's not even a culture. It's pointless. People should post their actual country." CreationDate="2022-10-11T14:44:03.787" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23445" PostId="7135" Score="2" Text="It's pretty clear that the question and the answer were fabricated nonsense. Note that the member who wrote the accepted answer has only one answer and one question. And that question is nonsense as well: [Anti-handwashing in the office](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/184453/anti-handwashing-in-the-office)" CreationDate="2022-10-14T11:05:12.013" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23444" PostId="7136" Score="2" Text="FWIW I just saw a question that looks like an attempt to exploit a popularity of that meals story by engineering its flipside [here](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/q/187982/168). Can't tell if this is the same user hiding by a sock puppet account or just some passer-by troll" CreationDate="2022-10-14T07:11:54.553" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23450" PostId="7137" Score="0" Text="This is due to OP running around the site and pre-emptively removing the tag from all questions that had it" CreationDate="2022-10-19T20:50:04.027" UserId="52763" />
  <row Id="23448" PostId="7144" Score="1" Text="Whether the rudeness is directed towards me or not is irrelevant. If the answer contains such implicit or explicit language, it deserves to be moderated in an appropriate way. What about *&quot;Be polite&quot;* policy of stack exchange? There can be several ways countrymen can respond to a given situation. Do you think it's fair, if people start writing literals in a coded way? I hope like other users, a Mod must not get carried away by the nature of the question." CreationDate="2022-10-19T09:41:38.377" UserId="7741" />
  <row Id="23449" PostId="7144" Score="2" Text="Again, I see nothing actionable or against the CoC in the post you flagged, nor do I see anything in violation of the spirit of &quot;Be Nice&quot;. I do not believe that that the poster was attempting to veil an attack on you in this  case and I do believe I've taken the appropriate moderation action in declining the flag." CreationDate="2022-10-19T10:06:41.397" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="23451" PostId="7144" Score="1" Text="Molehill, meet mountain" CreationDate="2022-10-20T17:39:49.077" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23452" PostId="7145" Score="0" Text="You are indirectly allowing users to use expletives directed towards someone with '*' in between to hide the phrase and then defend this by implying that this is how XYZ would have responded. Are the mods here following a different &quot;Be Nice&quot; policy? Refer [_Don't be a jerk -- Bigotry_](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/240839/163449). This should supersede _&quot;assume good intention&quot;_." CreationDate="2022-10-21T02:18:45.607" UserId="7741" />
  <row Id="23453" PostId="7145" Score="0" Text="I interpret things my own way, perhaps it's a cultural difference." CreationDate="2022-10-21T04:44:57.073" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23454" PostId="7145" Score="0" Text="Answerer posted: *I'm in the UK. If any employer suggested that here, ... would be answered with &quot;... none of your **f---ing** business&quot;*. Under that reply, if someone posts a comment such as: *&quot;If you answered like that, then some employers may politely ask you to &quot;get the f---k off &amp; never show your a-- again!&quot;*. Would that be appropriate and acceptable as per your standard?" CreationDate="2022-10-21T04:51:27.590" UserId="7741" />
  <row Id="23455" PostId="7145" Score="0" Text="I'd probably delete that comment if people complained, but comments are not supposed to be permanent, I delete comments just because they take up too much room sometimes. If you're asking if I personally would be offended, then no... English profanity means little to me in terms of being offended. In this case it's not even profanity...just a bunch of hyphens and it's not even directed at me." CreationDate="2022-10-21T06:33:03.837" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23456" PostId="7147" Score="1" Text="I'll be sitting this one out.  I don't like how they have been handled in the past." CreationDate="2022-10-27T13:00:20.023" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23461" PostId="7147" Score="0" Text="@Old_Lamplighter last one seemed ok, I don't remember you running though" CreationDate="2022-10-30T11:55:00.877" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23491" PostId="7147" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi Last time I ran, Monica was still here," CreationDate="2022-11-05T03:37:47.413" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23463" PostId="7148" Score="0" Text="Observation: that 3.1 is averaged &quot;over the last 2 weeks&quot; (source, the link you included)... meaning that the last two weeks have been &quot;slower&quot; than others... there are days where we get a lot more Qs, so perhaps that 3.1 may be a bit misleading" CreationDate="2022-10-31T20:05:30.803" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23464" PostId="7148" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus I lack the necessary rep that grants me access to the site's tools, namely the analytics section. However, I don't imagine seeing a huge difference in the number of questions submitted since March of this year. I might be wrong, maybe there is a SEDE query somewhere. Nevertheless, three or six questions daily *is* still a low number." CreationDate="2022-10-31T20:28:38.187" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23465" PostId="7148" Score="0" Text="Low number compared to? Stackoverflow? Surely... perhaps low and high are relative... anyways, the second Q of the bullet point you included is very useful" CreationDate="2022-10-31T20:38:00.057" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23467" PostId="7148" Score="0" Text="I went to the analytics and can say that the average this year is around 5 or 6 FWIW... I can also say that the data seems to suggest a drop in posts since, say, 2020. Thus, although the number you posted is lower than the real one, the essence of the Q you suggest is valid." CreationDate="2022-10-31T20:45:22.233" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23469" PostId="7148" Score="1" Text="Why should a moderator be concerned about the volume of new questions? Is it a sales position? It seems to me that things have slowed down since work-from-home picked up, but perhaps that's just a coinidence." CreationDate="2022-11-01T16:53:07.380" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23470" PostId="7148" Score="1" Text="@joe I guess I must be different from you then. For me, low participation is a worrying signal that something is not working, it wouldn't be so bad if the hugely popular network questions were not nearly always from throwaway accounts. I understand why someone would seek anonymity but why do they rarely, if ever, post clarifications or updates in the comment section?" CreationDate="2022-11-02T00:33:03.630" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23471" PostId="7148" Score="0" Text="@Mari-LouA - so you feel that driving participation numbers is part of a moderator's role?" CreationDate="2022-11-02T10:17:58.853" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23474" PostId="7148" Score="0" Text="The behaviour of a few moderators can be responsible for driving users away, yes. I don't think that's the case here, the mods seem generally even-keeled but how a moderator welcomes a new user can have a strong impact." CreationDate="2022-11-03T03:54:44.090" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23462" PostId="7150" Score="2" Text="*&quot;Does something which applies to the UK also apply to Portugal? Does something which applies to Japan also apply to Korea?&#xA;Of course not [...]&quot;* - Citation Needed" CreationDate="2022-10-31T19:32:04.350" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23472" PostId="7150" Score="5" Text="@DarkCygnus Do we really need a citation for the obvious fact that North Korea/China and Japan/Israel have very little in common? Technically, all are &quot;Asia&quot; on the continent scale. If you ask me to find a common denominator I would say &quot;attacking your boss with a chainsaw will get you in trouble.&quot; Probably true for all. But if it goes into any more detail, I'm pretty sure they are different." CreationDate="2022-11-02T11:24:36.250" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23473" PostId="7150" Score="5" Text="Having looked at the tags, I will go ahead and remove continent tags from questions that are *already country tagged*. They make zero sense there. Having something tagged [India][Asia] is pointless. It's not like we have another additional secret India tucked away somewhere else." CreationDate="2022-11-02T11:32:47.407" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23466" PostId="7152" Score="0" Text="I feel this falls into the Q I posted (as in provocative/sensitive topics), but that may be my perception. What I do suggest is to completely avoid puns in important questions and processes, such as a Site Election... Professionalism is paramount for this site and we should reflect that in what we post" CreationDate="2022-10-31T20:40:35.117" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23468" PostId="7153" Score="2" Text="Asia is a LOT less homogeneous than Europe (which is only homogeneous in very broad strokes). Tag is a waste of effort." CreationDate="2022-10-31T21:26:17.823" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23475" PostId="7157" Score="7" Text="Lots of answers assume people don't need a job or to feed their families." CreationDate="2022-11-03T10:43:35.460" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23476" PostId="7157" Score="3" Text="&quot;the top answers propose a risky strategy&quot; - answers often get upvotes for reasons other than soundness or practicality. So it goes with all gamified sites." CreationDate="2022-11-03T16:42:36.723" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23494" PostId="7157" Score="1" Text="*fantasy* implies that it's a ridiculous idea that's never going to work. Renegotiating in that situation has risks, for sure. And answers should definitely point them out. But it's still advice I'd give to most people who find themselves in that situation." CreationDate="2022-11-07T18:07:09.667" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="23501" PostId="7157" Score="0" Text="@Kaz The fantasy is the answerer projecting their own personal want to be paid more while damaging an employer. It doesn't refer to the viability for the OP." CreationDate="2022-11-07T21:51:39.087" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23477" PostId="7158" Score="1" Text="It boggles the mind that people are making the assumption that the company is very keen to retain someone they made redundant a few weeks prior. But anyway, we know that assumption is false." CreationDate="2022-11-03T22:19:39.520" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23493" PostId="7158" Score="2" Text="@GregoryCurrie When a company makes you redundant *and then the COO calls you to ask if you'd like your job back because they didn't realise they need you for an imminent project* then it's a strong indicator that they are, in fact, very keen to retain you. Not 100% certain, as we eventually saw here, but I'd definitely bet on it if that were the only information I had to go on." CreationDate="2022-11-07T17:53:09.737" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="23499" PostId="7158" Score="0" Text="@Kaz As I've pointed out a few times, they are required to under Australian law, and also its a way of avoiding having to pay redundancy." CreationDate="2022-11-07T21:45:27.940" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23500" PostId="7158" Score="0" Text="@Kaz I also don't know why you would say very keen. All it shows that on the balance of things, it may be slightly more efficient for the company to retain talent than find a replacement. And maybe not even that." CreationDate="2022-11-07T21:49:18.613" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23502" PostId="7158" Score="0" Text="@GregoryCurrie I say very keen because in any sizeable company (and it certainly sounded like it wasn't a small one) the COO doesn't get personally involved in things unless they're important. If it were just a formality, they'd have HR do it." CreationDate="2022-11-07T22:10:29.120" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="23503" PostId="7158" Score="0" Text="@Kaz Doesn't sound like a large company to me." CreationDate="2022-11-07T23:46:03.193" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23504" PostId="7158" Score="1" Text="@GregoryCurrie I counted at least 3 layers of management (Boss, Head of Department, COO) so I'd guess it's into at least 3-figures for headcount." CreationDate="2022-11-08T00:37:07.013" UserId="31777" />
  <row Id="23478" PostId="7159" Score="0" Text="Do you support someones right to use the word &quot;they&quot; as a gender-neutral singular pronoun, even if they are told &quot;Don't use they. My pronoun is 'he' &quot;?" CreationDate="2022-11-04T04:59:45.713" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23479" PostId="7159" Score="1" Text="If someone explicitely requests a specific pronoun (in that case &quot;he&quot;) *for himself* then that person should be addressed as &quot;he&quot;. Calling that person &quot;they&quot; would be misgendering, in that specific case, after that person explicitely requested said pronoun, even intentionally. I do not support pointlessly changing pronouns after the fact. If you write a two page answer labelling the unknown &quot;user12345&quot; &quot;the OP, they&quot; I don't see a need to change that if that user comes out *after* and sets their gender. It wasn't known at the time of writing. It is known *now*, so from now on, it's &quot;he&quot;." CreationDate="2022-11-04T06:06:55.243" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23480" PostId="7159" Score="1" Text="Cool. So your belief is that gender neutral they isn't actually gender neutral at all." CreationDate="2022-11-04T08:39:55.093" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23481" PostId="7159" Score="2" Text="My believe is that gender neutral *is* gender neutral. And that addressing someone who expressedly told you their gender intentionally in a gender neutral way is insulting. At least where I come from, that is a kindergarden level insult for kids and a sexual slur for teenagers (and people of all ages that behave like teenagers). However, I am not a native speaker, if you can hook me up with more information about it, and how addressing people as &quot;they&quot; even though you know their gender is fine, I might learn something new about the English language. Would certainly not be the first time." CreationDate="2022-11-04T09:49:00.333" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23482" PostId="7159" Score="5" Text="Gender neutral just means nothing is being said about their gender. It doesn't mean they are neither male nor female. It means that information is not attempting to be conveyed. The word &quot;they&quot; is suitable for all genders." CreationDate="2022-11-04T10:24:19.367" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23483" PostId="7159" Score="1" Text="Other gender-neutral pronouns, (that for some reason, don't seem to cause problems): you, many, those, who, both, one etc. Some people use gender neutral words by default where the gender is not important. Misgendering is the offensive thing here, but if nothing is being said of the gender at all, I don't understand how that can occur." CreationDate="2022-11-04T10:39:14.380" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23486" PostId="7159" Score="2" Text="Well, let's cut it short: discussing this part of the policy is also against policy. And while I absolutely disagree with any policy censoring content or discussion based on content, I have followod it and will continue to do so. Including enforcing it if that becomes my job. By the policies we have, if someone tells you their preferred pronoun you have to use it. And I stand by that policy. &quot;He&quot; clearly is a pronoun, not a troll and is very basic English that anybody can understand. Using it is the polite way, not using it on purpose is rude." CreationDate="2022-11-04T12:34:54.097" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23488" PostId="7159" Score="2" Text="I'm not commenting on policy at all. Sorry I disagree with what you say. I try not to use gendered pronouns at all, regardless of how &quot;obvious&quot; it is. It's illogical. By definition, if I say: &quot;I respect everybody on Stack Exchange&quot; I'm actually not following the policy apparently, because 'everybody' is a pronoun, and I am sure there is at least one person on Stack Exchange that has a &quot;preferred pronoun&quot; which is not &quot;everybody&quot;. Note that the expression &quot;preferred pronoun&quot; is offensive because it suggests gender identity is merely a preference." CreationDate="2022-11-04T14:14:33.177" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23489" PostId="7159" Score="4" Text="The COC is pretty clear on that: &quot;No bigotry. [...] Use stated pronouns (when known).&quot; If you see that as a problem or illogical, it is up to you to discuss that with our corporate overlord who gave us these rules. The answer to the question of whether I would abide by these rules and enforce them if I am elected to do so, is a **yes**." CreationDate="2022-11-04T21:15:25.357" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23490" PostId="7159" Score="1" Text="Good to know. Don't expect my vote." CreationDate="2022-11-04T23:07:35.507" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23495" PostId="7159" Score="3" Text="For what it's worth, I have never understood that &quot;use stated pronouns&quot; should be read as &quot;use stated pronouns *including newopronouns* and if you default to _they_ instead of a neopronoun you are breaking the CoC&quot;. My understanding was that the &quot;use stated pronouns&quot; was referring mostly to the standard he/she and we are always allowed to use _they_ instead." CreationDate="2022-11-07T18:29:12.900" UserId="16454" />
  <row Id="23496" PostId="7159" Score="4" Text="You can find more detail here: [What does the Code of Conduct say about pronouns?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/336364). Basically, if someone insists that you absolutely must use a neopronoun for them, that is the only time you will be expected to and everyone will understand if you get it wrong a few times. So we're talking about maybe once every 5 years in a chat room or something, this really isn't a common occurrence at all. for the vast, vast majority of cases, using singular _they_ is fine. For what it's worth, I have yet to come across a single case of a neopronoun in the SE wild." CreationDate="2022-11-07T18:32:05.273" UserId="16454" />
  <row Id="23497" PostId="7159" Score="1" Text="@terdon Appreciate the input. I think I'm on the same page and most of the usual discussions on this topic tend to be restricted to the field of thought experiments, though of course this site in particular has a notable history in this area that tends to inflame reactions." CreationDate="2022-11-07T20:50:29.117" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23498" PostId="7159" Score="3" Text="Thanks for clarifying your stance @nvoigt! I do think it's useful to get a bit of insight into your position, though that comment you left here really would have been enough for me. ;)" CreationDate="2022-11-07T20:51:11.903" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23529" PostId="7159" Score="0" Text="I have only one friend who explicity uses neopronouns @terdon, but Zie is not on stack exchange. Most of my non-binary friends prefer singular they/them as the most important thing to them appears to be not being casually assigned a gender they don't identify with, and the gender neutral term we've had since the 13th century is more than adequate to do that. For someone to assert that using `they` to refer to someone is equivalent to assigning someone with a gender of non-binary is a big red gender-essentialism flag to me." CreationDate="2022-11-09T12:50:28.917" UserId="148" />
  <row Id="23505" PostId="7160" Score="0" Text="*&quot;The nature of the problems that most askers seek assistance on WP are going to be opinion based.&quot;* - This I believe is not necessarily true: there are many on-topic posts out there, the problem I believe is mostly phrasing (depending on it, a post can become &quot;less&quot; or &quot;more&quot; opinion-based)... *&quot;The value that WP SE adds to the users is mostly going to be opinion based.&quot;* - Not true, as the value users get is unambiguous and each one can use that on-topic advice and adjust it to their workplace (or use it as-is). That's why we ask for non opinion-based posts (to avoid opinion-based answers)." CreationDate="2022-11-08T01:22:25.870" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23506" PostId="7160" Score="0" Text="That's just it - &quot;More or less Opinion based&quot; is still Opinion based. Unlike other areas, there is still at least 50% opinion with any given answer, especially when compared to other areas. Take for example a SQL question - one can post an answer and give a reason why it's the best way to do something for a given dataset parameters, but the answer might differ if the dataset parameters change (e.g. number of rows) - there's an element of opinion but it's minor, whereas IMO opinion makes up the majority of what we do here." CreationDate="2022-11-08T03:45:50.463" UserId="135652" />
  <row Id="23513" PostId="7160" Score="0" Text="When it comes to people , in reality even peer reviewed studies are just opinion. I've seen lots of things that may work in some cultures but be utter dangerous rubbish in others." CreationDate="2022-11-08T21:36:22.627" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23516" PostId="7160" Score="1" Text="I recommend you to read through the related questions on this topic since it comes up semi-regularly since we are indeed not a &quot;hard science&quot; site like others are. Good posts to check are: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7004 https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2187 and https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2993. For my part my PoV is largely still the same as I described in my meta answer [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/3583/25739)." CreationDate="2022-11-08T23:55:50.947" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23511" PostId="7161" Score="0" Text="Good point on the laws and regulations aspect - however I didn't raise that as those type of questions regularly get closed because the asked is realistically in need of actual legal advice from an actual lawyer.&#xA;&#xA;That said, I tend to agree with most everything in this answer and will probably use it as my yard-stick - specifically if it does not meet the criteria of experience (even though opinion) and Legal/Policy - then I'll vote to close." CreationDate="2022-11-08T19:48:09.713" UserId="135652" />
  <row Id="23508" PostId="7162" Score="5" Text="Folks often accept an answer that agrees with their thinking. It's no surprise that on a gamified site like this, others might not agree." CreationDate="2022-11-08T18:12:12.307" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23509" PostId="7162" Score="14" Text="So by &quot;worst&quot;, it appears that you mean &quot;lowest score&quot; for an accepted answer. I suppose there could be lots of alternative definitions of &quot;worst&quot;. For example, &quot;the largest score difference between the accepted answer and the highest-scoring answer&quot;." CreationDate="2022-11-08T18:15:07.427" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23510" PostId="7162" Score="0" Text="&quot;My employer is demanding that, as a teacher, I have my webcam on all the day, do I have to comply?&quot; - is now sitting at -5. and has 8 more total votes than reported in your query. Odd" CreationDate="2022-11-08T18:17:06.273" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23512" PostId="7162" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere possibly people read this question, went to look at the original Q&amp;A and further downvoted the bad answers. I'm guessing all of them will end up more-downvoted than before." CreationDate="2022-11-08T21:30:52.913" UserId="133385" />
  <row Id="23514" PostId="7162" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Yeah. It's why I put worst in quotes. I know the word is very subjective. Not sure why some of the numbers are not accurate though... Maybe my query needs a tweak." CreationDate="2022-11-08T23:44:37.677" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23517" PostId="7162" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I just checked the data returned for the last row... The data looks correct, but obviously doesn't match what is displayed. &quot;SELECT * FROM Votes where PostID = 157397&quot; returns 12 rows" CreationDate="2022-11-09T02:13:51.610" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23520" PostId="7162" Score="1" Text="Why not just call them what they are: &quot;accepted answers with more downvotes than upvotes&quot;? As already mentioned, some of these might be great answers, so &quot;worst&quot; is really misleading as well as subjective." CreationDate="2022-11-09T10:29:02.173" UserId="16454" />
  <row Id="23521" PostId="7162" Score="5" Text="@terdon I really couldn't care less." CreationDate="2022-11-09T11:17:56.497" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23574" PostId="7162" Score="2" Text="Regarding the word &quot;worst&quot;, a lot of these answers are quite bad and deserving of many downvotes." CreationDate="2022-11-16T05:35:20.557" UserId="35944" />
  <row Id="23580" PostId="7162" Score="2" Text="The fourth &quot;worst&quot; one looks like the person making the question also made a new account and wrote the answer and accepted it (The &quot;Commanding Respect&quot; one).  Both have never been seen again since that day for 5 years and 8 months and they only ever interacted with that one question.  He even compliments the answer strangely in the comments." CreationDate="2022-11-17T20:53:41.683" UserId="105925" />
  <row Id="23515" PostId="7163" Score="7" Text="The amiright bias is powerful." CreationDate="2022-11-08T23:44:45.743" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23518" PostId="7164" Score="5" Text="Both you and your contributions are pretty well known and respected on this site. No real need for this post In my opinion. You should be campaigning hard, kissing all the babies, shaking hands with lepers, promising pie in the sky etc,.... and ignoring anything negative........ normal stuff ;)" CreationDate="2022-11-09T08:33:18.980" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23546" PostId="7164" Score="0" Text="I question why SE staff agreed that a site with fewer than 6 questions a day needed a *fifth* moderator. Why an election with just two candidates is allowed to proceed when clearly the response by users who care about electing a new moderator is lacklustred to say the least. And lastly, how many users will cast a vote for anyone after reading a bitter and public response to WBT's criticisms/accusations/lies." CreationDate="2022-11-10T07:32:33.297" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23549" PostId="7164" Score="1" Text="@Mari-LouA Mods are volunteers. How many are needed for a site depends less on how many questions it gets a day (the community moderates questions more than mods do) and more on how much mod intervention is required and how many demands the existing mod team have on their time. Having enough moderators so that someone can go on vacation or step back for a bit if they're feeling burnt out is important." CreationDate="2022-11-10T13:56:13.513" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23554" PostId="7164" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV  There are fewer than 4 questions posted a day. Activity on meta is low. I don't see any trolling. Maybe there are sock puppets, and suspended users trying to circumvent suspensions. Is that a recurring problem on TWP? Maybe it is, I don't know. But there are already four mods. If one or more mod is basically inactive they should resign, there's no shame in saying their heart isn't in it any longer or they have too much going on in Real Life that way the community chooses two new *active* moderators." CreationDate="2022-11-10T15:40:43.780" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23555" PostId="7164" Score="2" Text="@Mari-LouA When a site has an effective mod team, the community has no idea what their work load is like because things get handled before they are enough of a problem to be noticed. The mods are volunteers and as a result the time that they can spend on the site in any given week varies widely. Should I have resigned when my father got deathly ill and I just couldn't deal with yet another vulgar response to a mod message? It's better to have enough mods to pick up the slack if someone needs time off. Bringing a mod up to speed before they're desperately needed is a good idea regardless." CreationDate="2022-11-10T15:50:56.077" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23556" PostId="7164" Score="0" Text="ELL had a couple of really &quot;difficult&quot; users, one sticks out, and also a much higher question ratio than TWP. Since the &quot;difficult&quot; user left Stack Exchange in a huff, ELL seems a lot calmer. I lost count of the number of times that particular user was suspended. A decidedly horrible horrible person.  A bully and a sexist to boot." CreationDate="2022-11-10T17:17:29.110" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23558" PostId="7164" Score="2" Text="@Mari-LouA Yep. It's just better for everyone to have &quot;extra&quot; mods than to not have enough. The staff doesn't have the bandwidth to step in if something comes up, and they don't always have the context to handle some situations effectively." CreationDate="2022-11-10T19:20:46.003" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23535" PostId="7165" Score="0" Text="Honestly, it’s difficult for a volunteer moderator to do much harm. Mods are part of a team and there is very little they can do that can’t be reversed. It is rather unsatisfactory to just refrain from voting when you don’t like any of your choices, so you may want to weigh in on the Meta discussion [Can we have a &quot;Reopen nominations&quot; or &quot;None of the above&quot; option in moderator elections?](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/254458/273494)." CreationDate="2022-11-09T13:20:40.077" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23536" PostId="7165" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV Thanks for the link. I agree with what is said there." CreationDate="2022-11-09T13:26:11.597" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23544" PostId="7165" Score="0" Text="Concerning the &quot;more harm than good&quot; part: I was (still am and will be whichever way this election goes) in favor of creating mechanisms to handle that better than we can today:  https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/381399/revising-the-criteria-for-moderator-nominees/381425#381425" CreationDate="2022-11-10T06:25:55.500" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23538" PostId="7167" Score="0" Text="I don't see a written, factual falsehood in a moderator application as an &quot;inaccurracy&quot; that I &quot;perceive&quot;. If you are looking for a moderator that rather looks away when shady things happen, because speaking up might look bad, you are right, then you don't want to vote for me." CreationDate="2022-11-09T14:51:22.537" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23539" PostId="7167" Score="4" Text="@nvoigt OK, so softening my criticism made it unclear. Your behavior suggests you aren't suited for moderating. A diamond is a big stick. A moderator's purpose is not to correct what people post. It's to keep the site running smoothly. In your questionnaire you say you value the light touch of the current mod team, but your actions suggest that's not the sort of moderator you could tolerate being. I've voted for mods because I admired their passion and how much they cared about the site. It was a mistake. They could not keep their passion from undermining their judgement." CreationDate="2022-11-09T15:05:48.253" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23540" PostId="7167" Score="3" Text="@nvoigt I know it doesn't seem like it, but the only reason I am writing up this criticism publicly is because I am sincerely trying to help you. You could be a great mod, but not if stuff like this is going to get up your nose every time. It won't be a happy experience for you or anyone else. If your response to criticism is to immediately reject it without any introspection, that doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in me that you would be a good custodian of the power the community would give you." CreationDate="2022-11-09T15:13:38.057" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23541" PostId="7167" Score="0" Text="&quot;You are a jerk, why did you close my question, you suck&quot;, *that* is opinionated criticism. In that case probably against the CoC, but an opinion and criticism none the less. A straight up lie however is not an opinon or &quot;criticism&quot;. I also have to wonder what you think I would do as a moderator. I wrote a meta post. Something literally anybody with 5 rep can do. I did not edit any post. I did not flag anything. I did not request a moderator to step in to do it for me. What makes you think that I would do as a moderator, that I did not even request from moderators now?" CreationDate="2022-11-09T15:51:15.663" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23543" PostId="7167" Score="4" Text="Worded very well as usual ColleenV. Agreed that it's annoying how we have limited interaction options in this phase of the election. But that doesn't mean we should be using meta to call out specific candidates. A call-out of this nature is really a fair bit beyond the pale and I might normally remove it were it not for this providing insight into the candidates. As ColleenV mentioned this is the kind of thing you just have to take on the chin as a moderator. While this hasn't swayed my vote, it did give me pause which is a bit unfortunate." CreationDate="2022-11-09T19:56:58.457" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23548" PostId="7167" Score="3" Text="@nvoigt Users don't know you as a person. They can only guess from your posts. I know you care about this site and have only good intentions. As a moderator though you **have** to keep in mind that you are in a position of power relative to the people you're interacting with and that your effectiveness depends on the community (esp. the newbies) seeing you as fair and impartial. That you can't see the problem with the way you handled this discussion is what gives me pause. What assurance is there that you won't repeat this sort of thing after you're elected?" CreationDate="2022-11-10T13:34:40.700" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23550" PostId="7167" Score="0" Text="The way I have handled this is what I perceived as &quot;the lesser of a few evils&quot;. It is in no way good and I never claimed it is. I would have preferred this to be a comment on the nomination post. But I have a moderator and a former moderator telling me that &quot;lying on a job application&quot; is something I should shut up about and cover up. &quot;Not make a drama&quot;. On &quot;The Workplace&quot; nonetheless. I would love to hear your constructive way to point out a lie on an application. Is your answer seriously &quot;let people lie&quot;? So if you offer up a better way I could have done that, I'm very open to suggestions." CreationDate="2022-11-10T14:11:05.363" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23551" PostId="7167" Score="0" Text="For example, I wondered if flagging it would have been the better solution. Would it? What would have happened then?" CreationDate="2022-11-10T14:20:35.337" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23552" PostId="7167" Score="3" Text="@nvoigt You should have made it less of a personal attack. The problem from the site's perspective is that the community didn't get an opportunity to vet the candidate. I would have offered a place for the community to ask questions because the comments were locked and then posted a question about how they reconcile their statement that they weren't suspended with posts indicating they had been. Example: [Mod Election 2021 Open Discussion](https://ell.meta.stackexchange.com/q/5554/9161). Even if you are justifiably righteously angry, you have to be able to set that aside." CreationDate="2022-11-10T15:18:25.093" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23553" PostId="7167" Score="3" Text="@nvoigt Also, neither of us told you to &quot;shut up&quot; about it or cover it up. It's that kind of rhetoric that is the problem. If I wasn't trying to help you, I would have just downvoted this discussion without comment and I wouldn't be taking time away from work to discuss it with you. I am honestly on your side here, but I worry that you are going to have a bad experience as a mod if you can't let go of some of your emotion and address issues like this with a little more detachment." CreationDate="2022-11-10T15:31:14.180" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23559" PostId="7167" Score="3" Text="I just thought the post was unecessary, not that anything should be kept quiet. Thats up to you. Rising to bait never reflects well on anyone whether justified or not. Perhaps the election chatroom would have been a better venue for it?" CreationDate="2022-11-11T10:39:53.617" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23560" PostId="7167" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi The problem with the chat room is that a lot of folks aren’t going to see it. The comments should not be locked allowing some candidates to escape having to answer questions from the community." CreationDate="2022-11-11T11:27:55.837" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23561" PostId="7167" Score="4" Text="Sure, but thats how it works. We all have to do our thing within the parameters of the site at the time we do it. If I rose to all the inane and unfair bait dangled at me over the years I'd be past the moon by now ;)" CreationDate="2022-11-11T11:38:19.477" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23562" PostId="7167" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi I hear you :) Some of us just have a harder time resisting. I have been working on it for years and still have a hard time not [going hammer and tongs](https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/hammer+and+tongs) after someone if they manage to push the right buttons." CreationDate="2022-11-11T11:42:42.137" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23563" PostId="7167" Score="0" Text="It's just the internet. Best not to have buttons that can be pressed remotely by strangers." CreationDate="2022-11-11T11:53:14.453" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23564" PostId="7167" Score="1" Text="@Kilisi Well my goal is to not have buttons at all, but sometimes my aspirations exceed my ability :)" CreationDate="2022-11-11T13:02:04.327" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23565" PostId="7167" Score="0" Text="Tequila usually fixes that ;)" CreationDate="2022-11-11T13:03:16.850" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23566" PostId="7167" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV A person's reach should always exceed their grasp. :)" CreationDate="2022-11-11T13:28:00.120" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23537" PostId="7168" Score="0" Text="5 people upvoted. My issue, if I could call it that, is the number of people, rather than the people themselves. And also the motivations of one of them isn't the best." CreationDate="2022-11-09T14:43:04.470" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23542" PostId="7168" Score="0" Text="Nobody is forced to vote. Most don't." CreationDate="2022-11-09T15:52:41.227" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23547" PostId="7168" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere That is true, but the &quot;None of them&quot; option is still a valid point, because right now, &quot;too lazy or doesn't care&quot; and &quot;enganged, but opposed to all candidates&quot; are the same. In real life, where I live, people go vote and invalidate their ballot in protest. So that nobody can say &quot;well, the candidates are all great, those people, they were just too lazy to get of the couch&quot;. I would love to see that option here, too at some point." CreationDate="2022-11-10T12:41:47.517" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23652" PostId="7171" Score="0" Text="If you &quot;expect someone to self nominate&quot;, you might want to actually nominate so they know someone is interested in their taking the role. Or find some other way to encourage." CreationDate="2023-05-07T14:40:41.260" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="23653" PostId="7171" Score="0" Text="@keshlam I expect everyone to do whatever they want, it's their internet. I didn't see a need to encourage anyone." CreationDate="2023-05-08T00:09:09.777" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23654" PostId="7171" Score="1" Text="That's fine. I know in one organization I belong to as we elect president by whoever objects least..." CreationDate="2023-05-08T02:08:12.433" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="23656" PostId="7171" Score="0" Text="@keshlam ahaha... I've seen that happen, whoever isn't hiding under their desk.... volunteered" CreationDate="2023-05-09T00:08:57.153" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23657" PostId="7171" Score="0" Text="I really need to start proofreading stuff written on the phone, and/or use gestural input more often rather than hunt and peck. I'm getting annoyed with my typo rate." CreationDate="2023-05-09T02:24:37.413" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="23567" PostId="7172" Score="2" Text="It's quite known/recurring that some folks are trigger-happy and tend to VTC only, instead of editing or fixing... regardless, a post that is not fit *should* be closed, as that is the purpose of closing posts, and reopen when it is edited into shape..." CreationDate="2022-11-11T15:57:46.207" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23568" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="The question is one of what is &quot;not fit&quot;. If there's a valid question in there which others can benefit from the answer to, and that isn't a dupe, I'd rather see it left open to gather those answers while being edited rather than shut down quite so quickly. Among other things, closing a question is often taken as &quot;go away&quot; rather than as &quot;this can be improved.&quot;" CreationDate="2022-11-11T18:21:24.053" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="23569" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="I agree with @DarkCygnus that we always have this problem with the close-happy crew. I don't see any uptick.  Of the 6 current closed questions on the front page, a couple deserve to stay closed. That said, you can always edit a question and vote to Reopen it. If you mention it here, I'll almost always join in an vote to Reopen." CreationDate="2022-11-11T19:41:42.587" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23570" PostId="7172" Score="2" Text="My main problem was with people getting triggered by single words and closing as opinion based, just because a perfectly good question ended with &quot;I would like to hear your opinion&quot;. That seems to be less. I looked at the closed questions and I can see why they are closed. I do not always see why they get downvotes. Just because something is off-topic here, is no reason to downvote it if it's otherwise clear. There is a big difference in messaging between closing (&quot;very sorry, but we cannot help&quot;) and downvoting and closing (&quot;get lost sucker&quot;). I'd be happier if we did the first more often." CreationDate="2022-11-13T06:49:49.610" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23844" PostId="7172" Score="0" Text="Boosting this again. I think _I_ have been a bit trigger-happy recently. Admittedly we had a batch of confused newbies, but ..." CreationDate="2024-02-22T14:37:41.180" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="23571" PostId="7176" Score="0" Text="A technical ban? Really?" CreationDate="2022-11-15T21:34:36.453" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23572" PostId="7176" Score="1" Text="Technical Ban? Care giving more details? Does the problem persist or perhaps it was your internet connection? Or perhaps a bug with election process if it persists... I see no bans on your user from your profile..." CreationDate="2022-11-15T23:23:49.180" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23573" PostId="7176" Score="4" Text="@DarkCygnus I read that as a joke based on the screenshot, not an actual complaint about a ban." CreationDate="2022-11-16T03:14:05.790" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23576" PostId="7176" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV apparently I didn't :o)" CreationDate="2022-11-16T16:09:01.947" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23578" PostId="7176" Score="1" Text="Maybe the &quot;something bad happened&quot; is the election result! They are being kind to you." CreationDate="2022-11-17T07:04:25.960" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23579" PostId="7176" Score="0" Text="That election result doesn't qualify as a bad thing happening. I can easily imagine insufficiently tested edge cases where server and user-side data disagree on a user's status as moderator, such as logged-in page reloads after election, so initially I thought it might mean the opposite (like Trump 2016, where even he &amp; many protest voters expected Clinton to win). Fortunately, the meta link worked &amp; had this post, changing the analogy to other countries where dissidents are more frequently jailed/exiled. Also, it took longer than expected, but access to the main site was eventually restored." CreationDate="2022-11-17T16:17:13.267" UserId="37509" />
  <row Id="23575" PostId="7178" Score="1" Text="Congratulations! Most of the buttons will warn you that you're about to do something irreversible... except for that one that you should never click... ;)" CreationDate="2022-11-16T15:57:28.337" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23577" PostId="7178" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV which button do you mea..#&amp;$*#*$))... &lt;404 not found&gt;" CreationDate="2022-11-16T21:10:41.817" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23581" PostId="7179" Score="0" Text="these prior meta posts look related: [What &quot;comments&quot; are not . . .](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/72/168) and [Our Comments Problem](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/2748/168)" CreationDate="2022-11-27T12:07:00.020" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23582" PostId="7179" Score="1" Text="Borrowing from one of the sites I moderate: [Please put your answers in the answers section, even if they're short](https://photo.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4655/please-put-your-answers-in-the-answers-section-even-if-theyre-short) (which we frequently use as a PSA)" CreationDate="2022-11-27T12:51:01.827" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="23583" PostId="7179" Score="1" Text="You are going to be busy" CreationDate="2022-11-28T20:17:15.087" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23584" PostId="7179" Score="2" Text="I know consider it a moral obligation to answer in the comments" CreationDate="2022-12-02T21:35:27.890" UserId="46894" />
  <row Id="23585" PostId="7180" Score="3" Text="Do you have any idea *how* to &quot;fix the UI&quot;? What changes could prevent people from doing it? Personally, I would rename it from &quot;Comment&quot; to &quot;Ask for clarification&quot;, but maybe you have more or better ideas?" CreationDate="2022-12-02T22:45:10.443" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23586" PostId="7180" Score="0" Text="Automatically start asking, when a comment gets past a certain size &quot;Are you sure this isn't, or can't be made, an Answer? Click here and we'll copy the text into that entry form for you.&quot;?" CreationDate="2022-12-02T23:00:31.990" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="23587" PostId="7180" Score="0" Text="For an example of why drawing the distinction at all is a problem, see my response to https://diy.stackexchange.com/questions/261724/at-least-what-outdoor-temperature-should-i-concern-about-the-risk-of-water-in-pi/261725#261725 . Since it doesn't give a solid solution, I hesitate to call it an &quot;answer&quot; -- but I think it contains useful context. In that s case it's fat too hig to be a Comment so. I was forced to do the (I hope) right thing. But not all not-quite-solutions are so verbose, and it sometimes really isn't clear where to put them ." CreationDate="2022-12-03T00:23:24.533" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="23588" PostId="7180" Score="0" Text="-- or they start as a comment and turn into an answer as they are written, unnoticed. So the problem isn't just the word Comment, it's also the word Answer and the assumption that we know which one were writing or where to draw the line. Language has absolutes; reality is fuzzy, fractal, or both." CreationDate="2022-12-03T00:25:56.390" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="23590" PostId="7183" Score="0" Text="I don't think the moderators have deleted any question, let alone more than one, recently. Do you have any examples/links, so I can have a look?" CreationDate="2022-12-20T20:30:42.450" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23593" PostId="7183" Score="1" Text="Does this work? https://workplace.stackexchange.com/posts/comments/621069?noredirect=1" CreationDate="2022-12-20T20:47:08.210" UserId="138082" />
  <row Id="23592" PostId="7184" Score="0" Text="I can understand this for contentious questions, but these ones weren’t particularly out there." CreationDate="2022-12-20T20:46:07.013" UserId="138082" />
  <row Id="23594" PostId="7184" Score="0" Text="@Boots: I updated the answer." CreationDate="2022-12-20T20:56:58.873" UserId="138119" />
  <row Id="23595" PostId="7184" Score="2" Text="@Boots the OP can always* chose to delete their question. It's not so rare to see someone asking a Q, getting one or two answers, and then deleting the Q for whatsoever reason... as Mods we are also on the watch for Trollish posts and Spam, so those are definitely going to be nuked. As toolic said, there are several reasons and when you get enough rep you'll be able to see deleted posts" CreationDate="2022-12-20T20:59:31.493" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23598" PostId="7188" Score="2" Text="I suspect this is one of those &quot;Questions seeking legal advice &quot; that doesn't belong on The Workplace." CreationDate="2023-01-09T11:28:43.740" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23599" PostId="7188" Score="0" Text="While it *should* be something HR or accounting should know without a law degree, I can no longer cast normal votes and I think it would be a bad look to use mod powers in a question I have participated in as a normal user. I will leave it to the others to vote their way." CreationDate="2023-01-09T11:39:53.890" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23600" PostId="7188" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere I still think it's a valid question for this SE. Either way, the current close reason is incorrect, since this isn't something to do with &quot;company-specific regulations, agreements, or policies.&quot;" CreationDate="2023-01-09T21:03:07.233" UserId="98765" />
  <row Id="23601" PostId="7188" Score="2" Text="@zmike - part of the close reason says &quot;Questions seeking legal advice should be directed to legal professionals. &quot; I voted to reopen long ago." CreationDate="2023-01-09T21:29:05.883" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23602" PostId="7188" Score="1" Text="Yes, it seems that people don't understand what legal advice means. Stating what the laws say of a particular jurisdiction is not legal advice." CreationDate="2023-01-11T00:53:12.967" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23610" PostId="7188" Score="0" Text="After reading the question and answers it looks valid enough to me so I'll make a judgement call on it." CreationDate="2023-02-01T05:23:06.737" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23634" PostId="7190" Score="0" Text="I dont know why someone would have downvoted this question.  It is a *valid* question.   I spend most of my time on SuperUer.com and see the same thing all the time.  A question from over a decade ago gets bumped to the top.   Generally, It is something that is completely irrelevant in modern times or the OP never accepted an answer.  Everyone just ignores them.  But as the answer below states, its part of the backend coding.  It probably should be removed, as it really doesnt add any value.  +1 BTW." CreationDate="2023-03-27T17:51:40.210" UserId="9490" />
  <row Id="23603" PostId="7192" Score="0" Text="Upvoting an answer doesn't necessarily stop bumping of the question.  See the bumping criteria at https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/48578/236563" CreationDate="2023-01-25T12:18:46.857" UserId="128774" />
  <row Id="23604" PostId="7193" Score="2" Text="I voted to reopen. You should too." CreationDate="2023-01-25T20:11:58.957" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23605" PostId="7196" Score="1" Text="I suspect with shifts in the Workplace (Cough WFH/Covid Policies Cough) - that some of the interpersonal issues caused by being physically near your co-workers have slowed down questions on Workplace - it will pick up though." CreationDate="2023-01-27T00:35:10.857" UserId="135652" />
  <row Id="23606" PostId="7196" Score="4" Text="@TheDemonLord - it will be interesting to see. My theory is that folks working from home spend less time here. At work, you can distract yourself with The Workplace, and nobody is the wiser. At home, you can watch cartoons if you like. Just a hunch." CreationDate="2023-01-27T01:08:18.070" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23607" PostId="7196" Score="1" Text="For those with the rep (@JoeStrazzere), check: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/site-analytics From what I see, I'd say there's a clear relation between the covid/remote situation spiking worldwide and the &quot;slowness&quot; you perceive" CreationDate="2023-01-27T23:32:49.603" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23608" PostId="7196" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere It was discussed amongst the moderators at the end of 2021 where we indeed saw a marked decline in traffic and engagement coinciding with the start of the pandemic (feb/march 2020). A new, lower baseline was established that looking at the stats now has never truly recovered. I don't recall if the effect was site-wide or if that was ever looked at in detail at a Stack-level. That'd be interesting to take to main meta." CreationDate="2023-01-30T19:37:35.903" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23612" PostId="7197" Score="0" Text="&quot;there's a degree of hesitancy to VTC a question that is in that borderline area&quot; - are you saying that you hesitate in that condition, or that folks in general hesitate? Because if it's the latter, I'm sure not seeing that. I often see a race to close questions by a certain group." CreationDate="2023-02-02T00:25:43.463" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23613" PostId="7197" Score="0" Text="Most of the questions that get VTC though are pretty clearly ones that ought to be closed - and your right, there's no hesitation there - I'm thinking on questions like if there's a single key bit missing that turns it from a VTC question to a really good question." CreationDate="2023-02-02T00:38:38.163" UserId="135652" />
  <row Id="23609" PostId="7198" Score="0" Text="Mod is probably the wrong word - I'm talking about the Community actions (as I don't have Mod status)" CreationDate="2023-02-01T05:21:04.760" UserId="135652" />
  <row Id="23614" PostId="7200" Score="0" Text="I read the latter and the question you are asking is *&quot;do I lack basic social skills?&quot;* which is something we can't answer (not saying that you don't have social skills hehe, just saying that we can't give you a yes/no via a site on the internet). Even if we gave you a yes/no answer to that it would serve no goal or purpose. I also read the former question which I found interesting and saw you got helpful answers, and also think that the latter one was an opinion-based rephrased derivate-ish from the former." CreationDate="2023-03-06T16:48:36.727" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23623" PostId="7203" Score="1" Text="How did you spot it?" CreationDate="2023-03-16T18:08:09.967" UserId="114758" />
  <row Id="23624" PostId="7203" Score="1" Text="@MichaelMcFarlane honestly someone posted a comment hinting that they thought an answer was written by ChatGPT, but you can recognize its style once you've seen enough. Also the user's pattern of answers had many factors that made me almost certain they were GPT-generated." CreationDate="2023-03-16T18:14:50.503" UserId="133385" />
  <row Id="23625" PostId="7203" Score="0" Text="So it's a suspicion and not a fact... I wonder how SO detects if it's written by GTP" CreationDate="2023-03-16T23:57:11.367" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23626" PostId="7203" Score="3" Text="@DarkCygnus there are detector programs/websites. It is impossible to know for sure, because some people might write in a style that is very similar to GPT. The only way to know for certain is if the user admits to it, I'm pretty sure. But you can see patterns in their posting habits (eg multiple new answers one after another, all of which score &quot;likely AI generated&quot; on an AI detector, especially if the user hasn't posted answers in a while)" CreationDate="2023-03-17T03:28:02.317" UserId="133385" />
  <row Id="23630" PostId="7203" Score="0" Text="&quot;Of course, if it ends up being allowed, it would have to be properly attributed/cited&quot; - why? How would that actually work?" CreationDate="2023-03-22T13:14:11.373" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23631" PostId="7203" Score="2" Text="@JoeStrazzere attributed to ChatGPT: at the very least it's part of their terms and conditions, but also if you got some content directly from it, you wouldn't be able to just pass it off as your own according to this site's rules." CreationDate="2023-03-22T15:15:06.103" UserId="133385" />
  <row Id="23691" PostId="7203" Score="0" Text="And so it begins..." CreationDate="2023-07-11T23:20:30.843" UserId="61096" />
  <row Id="23622" PostId="7205" Score="1" Text="+1, but assuming in my mind that this would be an answer flag not a question close criterion. Is that what you meant? Also, maybe we should go with the more general &quot;not enough of the user's own original content (e.g. AI-generated).&quot;" CreationDate="2023-03-16T18:07:44.483" UserId="114758" />
  <row Id="23615" PostId="7207" Score="2" Text="Because &quot;it's been answered to the asker's satisfaction&quot; is not one of our close reasons, and the close reason that was given is manifestly invalid." CreationDate="2023-03-16T03:12:08.380" UserId="85361" />
  <row Id="23616" PostId="7207" Score="2" Text="On another note @Vikki I read the question and... I find it ok and focused. Don't know why it was closed, sometimes people here are trigger-happy (due to the gamification of SE I think, in part). Regarding the removal of HNQ, I didn't handle that, but if I had to guess on the intentions of the mod that did it, it was because HNQ tends to attrack low quality answers and sometimes trolls. Removing it form HNQ help avoid that and to avoid having your question Derailed." CreationDate="2023-03-16T03:14:36.860" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23617" PostId="7207" Score="1" Text="@Vikki thus I will hammer it open. Just wanted to know your reasons for *why* reopen it if you already accepted an answer. Because, if you already got help and it was useful, it's better to thank for it and move on... unless... judging (and guessing) by your emphasis on the HNQ removal, you wanted it open so you could gather some extra reps (which, again, is due to the gamification of SE and reputation)... anyways I don't see it as &quot;needs focus&quot;, and no Mod voted to close it... so I'll hammer it Open and wait to see what others have to say." CreationDate="2023-03-16T03:18:04.090" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23618" PostId="7207" Score="0" Text="Of the several of my questions make it onto HNQ (most of them, IIRC, from Aviation.SE, the stack where I'm most-active), I don't recall any having been badly derailed or having had an unbearable level of low-quality answers, which personally makes it feel (especially given the subject matter of this particular question) less like a safeguard and more like I'm being silenced.  And I'm _not_ (primarily) asking that it be reopened in order to get extra reputation, but, rather, because seeing questions closed that objectively shouldn't've been _really_ sticks in my craw... (1/2)" CreationDate="2023-03-16T03:23:18.893" UserId="85361" />
  <row Id="23619" PostId="7207" Score="0" Text="(2/2) ...especially since (again), given the question's subject matter, the objectively-unjustified nature of the closure carries uncomfortable undertones of silencing.  (Thanx for reopening, BTW.)" CreationDate="2023-03-16T03:29:29.787" UserId="85361" />
  <row Id="23620" PostId="7207" Score="3" Text="@Vikki here in TWP we deal with more sensitive/human/derail-able topics than, perhaps, on Aviation SE. HNQ is delicate matter here, as it attracts people from everywhere onto a Question that almost everybody &quot;feels&quot; they are capable of answering... it's not like I see a HNQ from Aviation, navigate to it and magically decide I have something to say (I'm not knowledgeable on aviation)... but as we deal with more human/social topics things are different here." CreationDate="2023-03-16T03:53:10.593" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23621" PostId="7207" Score="0" Text="Mmm, makes sense." CreationDate="2023-03-16T03:55:53.807" UserId="85361" />
  <row Id="23655" PostId="7207" Score="1" Text="I disagree with the concept that once the OP accepts an answer there are no need for other answers. I believe questions should stay open to solicit even better answers that may appear in the future, and may help other people." CreationDate="2023-05-08T05:13:31.730" UserId="59502" />
  <row Id="23628" PostId="7208" Score="3" Text="A good summary on most people's stance on HNQ here. In my experience it adds a ton of noise both in the forms of comments and off-the-cuff answers. Particularly around subjects related to discrimination, fairness, and other loaded topics, the answers given by &quot;drive-by&quot; HNQ users often trend towards the facile. All too often people answer based on how they think the world ought to work, without realising that they're giving advice that can be harmful to someone's career. Our topics often impact people's livelihoods, not just the next software build or provide idle trivia." CreationDate="2023-03-21T10:42:09.643" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23629" PostId="7209" Score="0" Text="I would assume copying and pasting answers from any source without attribution would be okay, too? The company and moderators have a difficult decision to make - allowing AI generated answers might well discourage real people from providing real answers. And if AI can provide the answers, why have a forum at all? Just let the bots do it all. Seems like a different business model." CreationDate="2023-03-22T13:10:34.633" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23632" PostId="7209" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere - Interesting point - straight copy-pasta from another Human is wrong. However, if I read something, interpret it, and then put my own spin on it and write it in my own words - then that is fine - which is essentially what AI Chat does. That said, I think it's a fair call that *if* AI answers are allowed, they should be attributed correctly. I agree it's a difficult decision - I'm not entirely sure though that allowing AI will discourage people from answering - I should re-iterate that conceptual vs practical in this case may side on the practical." CreationDate="2023-03-22T18:29:38.390" UserId="135652" />
  <row Id="23633" PostId="7209" Score="0" Text="I know reddit has several &quot;bots&quot; that automatically answer questions based on certain keywords. I find it annoying." CreationDate="2023-03-22T18:44:34.020" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23636" PostId="7211" Score="2" Text="Good catch Joe." CreationDate="2023-03-31T01:07:59.640" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23635" PostId="7212" Score="5" Text="Thanks. Unfortunate some folks like to close questions without good reasons." CreationDate="2023-03-30T16:39:25.273" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23638" PostId="7214" Score="1" Text="Interesting post, Adam. Do you have any suggested wording that you would like to pitch to be edited into that page? That way the community can vote on it and together work on a phrasing that is OK for the majority of us :)" CreationDate="2023-04-20T16:13:16.097" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23639" PostId="7214" Score="0" Text="Very sensible suggestion @DarkCygnus. I have added an answer with a suggested wording for people to vote on. Alternatives can go in other answers." CreationDate="2023-04-28T02:23:38.697" UserId="122092" />
  <row Id="23641" PostId="7218" Score="1" Text="Hmm, I see that the questions it asks are &quot;Should I?&quot; questions, which are off-topic..." CreationDate="2023-05-03T18:30:40.903" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23645" PostId="7218" Score="2" Text="given the nature of discussed question [meta-tag:trolling] tag seems to be appropriate" CreationDate="2023-05-04T06:22:03.100" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23646" PostId="7218" Score="2" Text="very close: https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5037/fair-to-vtc-for-trolling" CreationDate="2023-05-04T08:54:10.703" UserId="7235" />
  <row Id="23649" PostId="7218" Score="2" Text="It’s trolling, there is zero upside for having it use the time of people who want to help real people with real problems. Vote to close." CreationDate="2023-05-05T02:32:15.300" UserId="16695" />
  <row Id="23651" PostId="7218" Score="0" Text="It certainly looks fantastical to me, but I have no experience with this sort of thing so I'm just going to watch from the sidelines sipping whiskey" CreationDate="2023-05-06T19:33:54.460" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23644" PostId="7220" Score="3" Text="You're assuming that it's a fiction, and not a real person working with a grifting colleague, who has slightly misdiagnosed the source. Can we really be so confident?" CreationDate="2023-05-04T05:11:29.583" UserId="122092" />
  <row Id="23647" PostId="7220" Score="0" Text="I'm not sure it's fiction. I'm not sure it's paranoia. I'm not sure it matters: it isn't in the querant's job description to police this, the situation if true will self correct, and taking this to management without more convincing evidence has high odds of looking like trying to sabotage a co-worker rather than trying to protect the company. The security question has been raised, but that too is potential rather than actual at this point. For all we know, this was a matter of tweaking the querant in response to an inappropriate question" CreationDate="2023-05-04T13:17:00.130" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="23648" PostId="7220" Score="1" Text="You may well be right, but that all seems on topic for WSE, rather than a reason to close the question?" CreationDate="2023-05-05T00:29:39.133" UserId="122092" />
  <row Id="23650" PostId="7220" Score="1" Text="I'm agnostic about closing the question. As I say, I think there are useful teaching opportunities, though perhaps not without rewriting it into the more direct &quot;If I think someone at work is using an AI text generator without saying so, what are the actual risks to the company and what, if anything, should I do about it?&quot;" CreationDate="2023-05-05T02:33:48.933" UserId="12989" />
  <row Id="23658" PostId="7222" Score="4" Text="Gotta love a gamified site that implicitly encourages people to use AI to get more coin. Maybe it will turn into Reddit with their bot-generated answers..." CreationDate="2023-06-05T10:46:49.150" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23659" PostId="7222" Score="6" Text="I switched from being undecided to joining the strike. Apologies for any flags that aren't handled in time." CreationDate="2023-06-06T14:03:44.800" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23660" PostId="7222" Score="1" Text="I'm not striking, I intend to just keep doing whatever I feel is in the best interests of this community." CreationDate="2023-06-12T08:35:00.577" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23662" PostId="7222" Score="0" Text="@Kilisi the best interest of every community is allowing moderators to look after it, maintaining standards and, where necessary, suspending users who abuse the system and infringe the rules of said communities.  The change in guidelines may not personally affect TWP, one culprit is nothing, but it does directly harms SO and [Mathematics](https://math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/35765/general-moderation-strike-mathematics-stackexchange-moderators-are-participatin) and when the first ship goes down, we all go down with her." CreationDate="2023-06-23T18:05:39.150" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23663" PostId="7222" Score="0" Text="@Mari-LouA I'm not on ship, people take themselves and SE too seriously. Same thing happens with sheep, one jumps over a clod, they all jump. It doesn't stop them being fleeced, they just jumped in a vaguely amusing manner. I'm sure it seemed important to them, but it was just a clod or a cow pat." CreationDate="2023-06-23T21:03:00.220" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23687" PostId="7223" Score="1" Text="Did I miss something?" CreationDate="2023-07-01T20:55:04.377" UserId="135652" />
  <row Id="23688" PostId="7223" Score="0" Text="@TheDemonLord not a lot" CreationDate="2023-07-01T21:45:08.853" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23664" PostId="7224" Score="0" Text="You can vote to delete on Stack Overflow as well, there is no difference that I see. I'm also a SO user. As for not care, thats a fallacy, my kids celebrated when I hit 100K and got some swag proving I'm a hero. I can't think of anyone more important to impress :-)" CreationDate="2023-06-28T07:58:27.197" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23665" PostId="7224" Score="0" Text="But I guess you would feel cheap if you cheated here to have your kids celebrate you. Who if not we should know that there are people out there who feel it's normal to cheat for a job." CreationDate="2023-06-28T08:19:55.410" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23666" PostId="7224" Score="4" Text="And you are right, obviously SO has the same mechanisms. But it doesn't have the same amounts of experts per question. In some tags, you are hard pressed to get even a single upvote for the only answer that is correct, not because people don't like you, but because there isn't enough traffic. I agree that an AI post voted to double digit negatives is not a problem. But an AI post with a single positive vote by a random driveby voter **is**." CreationDate="2023-06-28T08:21:07.063" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23667" PostId="7224" Score="0" Text="I don't really care what other people do on the internet, I assume it ranges from boring to disgusting. Or care much in real life for that matter unless they get in my way. In this particular instance the solution already exists, there is no need to concoct one out of nothing. Just vote to delete." CreationDate="2023-06-28T08:21:59.010" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23668" PostId="7224" Score="0" Text="Having said that, I'm not hassling anyone over their choices in the matter, thats up to them. Just giving my general opinion and a solution for our users (the only ones who voted me in) to solve a problem rather than bugging me with flags I don't understand enough or care enough to make a judgement on. Same as the gender stuff, and the religious drama a while back." CreationDate="2023-06-28T08:29:38.490" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23669" PostId="7224" Score="2" Text="&quot;On our site, there is also no incentive to cheat.&quot; - I have to disagree. Our site, like all StackExchange sites, it gamified. By definition, gamification provides incentives for people to seek out votes/points/hats/recognition. For some, that means taking &quot;shortcuts&quot; like copypasta, bots, and certainly AI." CreationDate="2023-06-28T11:46:35.937" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23670" PostId="7224" Score="5" Text="@JoeStrazzere Okay, that is true. There is incentive to cheat, for people that like green internet points. On SO however, people believe those green internet points will translate into a real world benefit. So on SO the incentive to cheat is much, much higher. We had the question here on this site asking whether or not a good SO profile belongs into the CV. And while I am on the &quot;no&quot; side of this, there were plenty of &quot;yes&quot; answers. And we had the questions about cheating on the CV. While I have never heard anyone asking whether workplace.se rep belongs onto a CV." CreationDate="2023-06-28T11:58:27.003" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23671" PostId="7225" Score="1" Text="Interesting answer" CreationDate="2023-06-29T10:22:37.287" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23672" PostId="7225" Score="2" Text="People can post crappy content faster than we're allowed to downvote it even without AI. The serial voting detection algorithm is too simplistic and I refuse to waste time on poor quality content to work around it. Downvoting does next to nothing to prevent future crappy content unless the person posting it wants to be part of the community. The people posting AI generated text are [throwing mud at the wall and seeing what sticks](https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/throw+enough+mud+at+the+wall,+some+of+it+will+stick). Downvotes just help them refine their approach." CreationDate="2023-06-29T15:45:53.383" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23673" PostId="7225" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV FWIW I find this particular limitation on downvotes useful, however stupid it may look like in some cases. I sometimes feel the urge to vote down many posts of some user and only knowing that this won't work stops me. Yeah this limitation definitely leads to less of deserved voting to low quality content but on the other hand it prevents voting from becoming personal - which would be in my opinion even more dangerous. As they say, this is why we can't have nice things" CreationDate="2023-06-30T06:28:29.380" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23674" PostId="7225" Score="0" Text="@ColleenV no different from any other troll throwing mud at the wall. Only difference is the mud. I can see several questions right now that are just mud but people are taking them seriously and would defend them passionately despite them just being 'mud' at best." CreationDate="2023-06-30T08:05:59.970" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23675" PostId="7225" Score="0" Text="Reverse serial downvoting became a thing when &quot;***I sometimes feel the urge to vote down many posts of some user** and only knowing that this won't work stops me*.&quot; I can't imagine downvoting every single contribution a  user has submitted. It means just downvoting any post, without bothering to read it,  because you mistrust the user." CreationDate="2023-06-30T08:40:02.087" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23676" PostId="7225" Score="2" Text="@Mari-LouA I’m not saying there shouldn’t be reversals of serial voting (up and down). just that the current algorithm does a bad job of distinguishing malicious serial voting from good faith voting. The last time I had votes reversed, I was just going through the home page not even paying attention to who the author of the post was and it turned out someone had posted 4 or 5 one line poor quality questions in a very short period of time. The threshold for how fast I could vote didn’t account for how quickly the posts were made or their length. That’s not really a problem on Workplace though." CreationDate="2023-06-30T09:44:10.477" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23677" PostId="7225" Score="0" Text="I don't really see a point in downvoting" CreationDate="2023-06-30T11:25:03.553" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23678" PostId="7225" Score="2" Text="@Kilisi well, your own suggestion in original posts shows that you rely on downvoting quite heavily. &quot;Voting to delete is the pre-made way the community have of getting rid of ANY content they don't like...&quot; &lt;--- this exactly requires downvoting because there is no way for regular (non diamond) users to vote delete answer having non-negative score" CreationDate="2023-06-30T13:21:39.087" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23679" PostId="7225" Score="3" Text="@Kilisi It is an important mechanism on the network to ensure that the best answers and the most interesting questions are more visible and that poor quality posts get reduced visibility (and the reputation consequences are designed to incentivize users to at least wonder why they're getting negative feedback on their posts). Negative feedback is helpful, although admittedly more helpful for &quot;experts&quot; trying to improve than &quot;beginners&quot; trying to learn. I save my DVs mostly for users who should know better, incorrect posts, and posts that are so low-effort they're offensive." CreationDate="2023-06-30T14:03:49.733" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23680" PostId="7225" Score="0" Text="@Mari-LouA this is totally normal, especially at smaller sites or in smaller tags at SO. When one sees a parrticularly poor quality post it is normal to get curious about whether other posts from the author are also poor quality or this is just an occasional glitch. And it is totally normal when this curiousity reveals that other posts are poor quality too (for the sake of completeness, it also frequently happens that it is just an isolated glitch). Voting down in cases like that would also be normal but system can't allow this at it would also open a door for unfair undeserved downvotes" CreationDate="2023-06-30T14:55:28.917" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23681" PostId="7225" Score="0" Text="@gnat I imagine if I downvoted four posts, composed by the same author, in the space of one minute, that would trigger the algorithm–and rightly so. Unless they were posted on the same day, it means I was targeting a particular user. I don't think any software would be able to tell the difference between downvoting answers that were objectively incorrect from someone who bears a personal grudge. What I've done is to leave a comment pinpointing the error or asking the author to support their answer. They will either ignore the criticism, start arguing, or edit their post and fix the error(s)." CreationDate="2023-06-30T15:20:35.293" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23682" PostId="7225" Score="0" Text="Nothing to stop me from downvoting it the next day. And, hey presto, the user wakes up and fixes their post or provides the source, or the reference that supports their answer." CreationDate="2023-06-30T15:26:50.147" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23683" PostId="7225" Score="0" Text="per my observations, automated part of the system is primarily (or maybe even completely) focused on short term rage outbursts. Longer term and subtler voting anomalies seem to be considered relatively rare and left for manual intervention. Maybe system also raises some flags for some particular patterns of suspicious voting, I don't really know. And frankly have no interest in knowing, because when I see something slippery myself I just raise flag about it and let moderators handle it from there" CreationDate="2023-06-30T16:57:49.263" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23684" PostId="7225" Score="1" Text="@gnat good point, I'm not very familiar with downvoting, it's not really my thing, But I've had posts deleted, so I know it's possible if people want to do it. So I'm just mentioning it as a potential solution." CreationDate="2023-06-30T19:20:15.990" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23692" PostId="7227" Score="2" Text="I read such question and Joe's answer, and must say that I agree with what Joe said. Nobody is harassing you, and if anyone asks questions is because we want to help you better and give you better answers. Also, reading your comments on the question, and reading this meta post, I must say that they don't seem constructive, and give the impression that you are caught in a negative situation and are *not* handling it well.... thus why you are venting here. Please, refrain from venting or writing unconstructive comments/posts." CreationDate="2023-07-18T20:50:52.520" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23693" PostId="7227" Score="0" Text="Now, regarding the Q, please clarify what users ask and give more details if able/prompted, so we can work out useful answers. I rolled back an edit you did to the Q, as it added nothing positive. I'll see if I can edit your Q into a better shape so the Community considers reopening it. In the meantime, perhaps take a break and a deep breath... we are not trolling you... we are here to help... people ask for clarification very often... &quot;should I&quot; questions are off topic and will be closed eventually..." CreationDate="2023-07-18T20:52:30.220" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23694" PostId="7227" Score="0" Text="Done! I think I reworded it without it loosing it's meaning and core idea. Please check it out and feel free to edit it if I missed anything relevant. I also submitted it to reopening (I could mod-open it, but I want the Community to have a say here... and also to show you a small lesson that being polite and having faith in the Community goes a long way ;)." CreationDate="2023-07-18T21:01:59.990" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23695" PostId="7227" Score="0" Text="https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7229/73791 here it is, the reopen request" CreationDate="2023-07-18T21:05:18.710" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23696" PostId="7227" Score="1" Text="(oh and yes, no Mod closed your question, it was The Community... in other words, 5 users voted to close it... in the same way users can now vote to reopen it... &quot;I love democracy&quot; - Senator Palpatine)" CreationDate="2023-07-18T21:06:51.670" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23697" PostId="7227" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Thanks for the effort. Appreciated. Going to sleep that over and reflect on it. Thanks again." CreationDate="2023-07-18T21:13:35.180" UserDisplayName="user140723" />
  <row Id="23700" PostId="7227" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus given the new comments, I fear the effort may go to waste" CreationDate="2023-07-18T22:04:12.950" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="23701" PostId="7227" Score="0" Text="@TymoteuszPaul hmm... well, as a Mod I gladly give up some of my spare time for free with the hopes to improve this Community. Sometimes those efforts work, sometimes... not so much" CreationDate="2023-07-18T22:27:34.040" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23704" PostId="7227" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus I really hope you feel better now." CreationDate="2023-07-19T06:58:37.347" UserDisplayName="user140723" />
  <row Id="23698" PostId="7228" Score="0" Text="The process of erring up is not understood. The idea that a question has to be asked in a certain way, is just hostile gatekeeping and a form of censorship. Just saying. Why can't the overly critic kids not just move on?" CreationDate="2023-07-18T21:19:41.087" UserDisplayName="user140723" />
  <row Id="23702" PostId="7228" Score="2" Text="What does &quot;erring up&quot; mean? Moderation is not censorship." CreationDate="2023-07-18T23:12:20.837" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23705" PostId="7228" Score="0" Text="It's the process of asking questions to get smarter." CreationDate="2023-07-19T07:45:09.330" UserDisplayName="user140723" />
  <row Id="23709" PostId="7228" Score="2" Text="@moestly - thanks. I've never heard that term before. The process of asking questions to get smarter is not understood? Who was &quot;erring up&quot; in this context? You? Folks who asked you questions?" CreationDate="2023-07-19T12:31:25.260" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23703" PostId="7229" Score="4" Text="Still need to understand what the heck &quot;The company basically tricked me&quot; means. Hard to suggest any path forward without understanding what actually happened. And it's not clear the OP actually cares. I wouldn't vote to reopen it yet." CreationDate="2023-07-18T23:19:41.523" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23706" PostId="7230" Score="0" Text="Do you want to delete your account purely on meta or on the main site as well? I'm not sure if you can delete _just_ a meta account as it's essentially the same thing as the main site account." CreationDate="2023-07-19T08:14:23.837" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="23707" PostId="7230" Score="0" Text="I already deleted &quot;The workplace&quot;...maybe just a cache glitch. Thanks anyway." CreationDate="2023-07-19T08:37:44.613" UserDisplayName="user140723" />
  <row Id="23708" PostId="7230" Score="1" Text="In that case I believe your Meta account will vanish at the same time as the main account (24 hours after you request the deletion)" CreationDate="2023-07-19T08:42:32.827" UserId="14388" />
  <row Id="23711" PostId="7230" Score="0" Text="https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5999/how-can-i-delete-my-account" CreationDate="2023-07-19T23:30:13.350" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23712" PostId="7230" Score="0" Text="I couldn't find on the FAQ an answer to this question. It does mention that Meta posts are *not* deleted whatsoever even if site-wide deletion or if the post has negative score or &quot;abandoned&quot;... thus, I posted a question [there](https://meta.stackexchange.com/q/391422/332286) to find out" CreationDate="2023-07-19T23:31:49.933" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23713" PostId="7230" Score="0" Text="@PhilipKendall I suspect that as well, seems logical." CreationDate="2023-07-19T23:32:05.037" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23715" PostId="7232" Score="0" Text="YUP, it seems it does get deleted as well" CreationDate="2023-07-20T17:46:09.097" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23725" PostId="7233" Score="4" Text="&quot;Ppl want a break from the workplace to bitch about it&quot; - you are partly correct. The Workplace isn't really a &quot;bitch about it&quot; site. I've never heard of this Blind site. But then I've never been part of the &quot;lets bitch about work&quot; crowd. Have fun there." CreationDate="2023-08-22T14:38:37.443" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23730" PostId="7233" Score="1" Text="&quot; but by any empirical measure Blind is just a better watercooler site.&quot; - what empirical measures? What does &quot;better&quot; mean to you? What does &quot;watercooler site&quot; mean to you?" CreationDate="2023-08-23T12:56:44.543" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23731" PostId="7233" Score="1" Text="Is this not spam?" CreationDate="2023-08-23T17:52:28.113" UserId="128774" />
  <row Id="23732" PostId="7233" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere users, growth, engagement, revenue... It's a shame nobody here wants to talk about the reasons blind is growing and so much bigger than TWP, because i think it would be a really interesting conversation." CreationDate="2023-08-23T20:02:56.833" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23734" PostId="7233" Score="0" Text="@Chenmunka i don't think it's spam, certainly wasn't the intention." CreationDate="2023-08-23T20:06:14.320" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23735" PostId="7233" Score="1" Text="I realise that wasn't the intention.  It is just that a post advertising one of SE's competitors could be seen that way." CreationDate="2023-08-23T20:39:44.630" UserId="128774" />
  <row Id="23737" PostId="7233" Score="0" Text="@Chenmunka - it's more &quot;shill&quot; than &quot;spam&quot;, IMHO." CreationDate="2023-08-24T12:29:16.880" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23738" PostId="7233" Score="0" Text="Perhaps the conversation should be &quot;TeamBlind versus GlassDoor&quot;. Seems like a far more relevant comparison, IMHO." CreationDate="2023-08-24T12:31:28.080" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23739" PostId="7233" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere glassdoor is good for employee reviews, but less so for salaries (levels.fyi). but it is also a legitimate company, and blind is also a company with revenue. i'm not even sure why TWP is around from a monetary pov?" CreationDate="2023-08-24T14:15:32.257" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23740" PostId="7233" Score="0" Text="@bharal - TWP isn't a site by itself, it's a part of StackExchange. I can't say I care at all about how much or how little money they make - I don't get any of it. I'm just here to try and help people. How much are you getting by shilling for Blind? Perhaps the new &quot;Pets&quot; topic is the big money-maker for Blind (ugh)? I can say that I'm happy TWP doesn't display the ads that TeamBlind does." CreationDate="2023-08-24T22:49:53.137" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23741" PostId="7233" Score="1" Text="I don't see why The Workplace Meta would be a good place to discuss the relative merits of two websites with different goals and approaches. I'm rather surprised the Mods don't consider it completely off-topic and relegate the shilling to the Chit-Chat forum where it belongs. (shrug)" CreationDate="2023-08-24T22:53:30.477" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23717" PostId="7234" Score="1" Text="this is not really right tho, is it? This is what the stereotypical view of an autist *thinks* is right, but of course the questions on this site in particular do not, and cannot, lend themselves to a &quot;correct&quot; answer. Curiously, after arguing for &quot;right&quot; you then claim you looked at 20 or so questions and didn't find any &quot;insightful&quot; answers. Very rarely do questions have the answer within them, but less trivially one can hardly claim that your methodology is meaningful." CreationDate="2023-08-22T12:04:54.780" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23719" PostId="7234" Score="0" Text="@bharal If you want to compare the sites, post a link to the other site, with a question and an answer that is somewhat helpful. And I will lay the bar real low here, by defining &quot;helpful&quot; as vaguely on topic and having more than one paragraph of *any* information." CreationDate="2023-08-22T13:53:58.160" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23720" PostId="7234" Score="0" Text="https://www.teamblind.com/post/Waymo-Comp-Negotiation-pXd2GKTM" CreationDate="2023-08-22T14:04:25.360" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23721" PostId="7234" Score="0" Text="https://www.teamblind.com/post/How-should-I-handle-my-situation-as-a-contractor-raKwM0Uk" CreationDate="2023-08-22T14:04:45.167" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23722" PostId="7234" Score="0" Text="this wasn't that hard? i think you are over-valuing the canonical answers here, there is some good stuff on blind. there is also, of course, nonsense. but there is nonsense everywhere, (including this site)" CreationDate="2023-08-22T14:06:00.877" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23723" PostId="7234" Score="0" Text="but im really not trying to get into a battle on &quot;worthiness&quot; of the answers, unless your actual argument is &quot;worthy answers makes for a low-use site&quot;?" CreationDate="2023-08-22T14:06:51.433" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23724" PostId="7234" Score="2" Text="My argument is that over here, we don't deal in opinions. We don't answer &quot;What should I do&quot; questions. If you like those and want to get them answered (or would like a poll of random internet people on the topic), Blind might indeed be the better fit for you. I highly doubt I will ever read something about German labor law on Blind though. Or French health insurance. Or UK GDPR concerns. The two sites have different target demographics. You can use one, both or none, but it would be pointless for one to become &quot;more like the other&quot;." CreationDate="2023-08-22T14:20:43.947" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23726" PostId="7234" Score="0" Text="all the examples you give, curiously, really fall under the purview of &quot;get a lawyer&quot;. having them &quot;canonically answered&quot; on a site, any site, is actually quite misleading. this site only functions for opinion based answers, legal (and thus &quot;provably correct&quot;) are well out of limits" CreationDate="2023-08-22T14:41:59.633" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23727" PostId="7234" Score="3" Text="No, they are not. Anything that is (or should be) easily answerable by a professional that is not a lawyer (for example HR, or many other professions include legal education, even apprentices get legal education about what their current and future legal framework is) is absolutely on topic." CreationDate="2023-08-22T15:03:50.793" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23728" PostId="7234" Score="0" Text="if it isn't answered by a lawyer and backed by that legal opinion, then how can it be called &quot;correct&quot;?  Even an opinion by a lawyer is not consistent across different cultures. I don't think any of the answers in this site can be called &quot;correct&quot;, even the very best exist only for a slim snapshot of time and location. &quot;Over here&quot; all answers are opinions, and then they are voted up &quot;by the masses&quot;, but the masses are small in number and so hardly representative of what is culturally correct." CreationDate="2023-08-22T16:13:11.103" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23729" PostId="7234" Score="2" Text="You seem to have problems with wording that you made up yourself. I never said anything about &quot;correct&quot;. You are arguing with your own straw man. I cannot help with that." CreationDate="2023-08-22T18:39:17.210" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23733" PostId="7234" Score="0" Text="&quot;My argument is that over here, we don't deal in opinions&quot;, &quot;like a poll of random internet people on the topic&quot;, you are implying that answers here are *more correct* and *demonstrably correct*. Or were you implying something else?" CreationDate="2023-08-23T20:04:57.677" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23718" PostId="7235" Score="0" Text="i'm not particularly knocking the workplace. but it is very very niche. tech ppl with particular problems who drifted here from stackoverflow, basically. i am curious if anyone at all has given thought on why blind is doing a better job at creating a community, growing and, well, i can see that me using &quot;helping&quot; people might be contentious here, but certainly as it grows the number of ppl it helps will naturally eclipse this site." CreationDate="2023-08-22T12:10:00.063" UserId="8146" />
  <row Id="23745" PostId="7237" Score="0" Text="&quot; I feel that smoothing out all the language and removing any such dirty words (well, at least dirty for some) is condescending.&quot; - so do you feel that everyone's words should remain intact, so as not to be condescending?" CreationDate="2023-09-03T15:57:33.990" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23748" PostId="7237" Score="0" Text="People often do not distinguish between profanity and vulgarity.  I would contend the words are vulgar but not profane, as you rightly point out they have nothing to do with religion." CreationDate="2023-09-11T22:53:15.643" UserId="249" />
  <row Id="23742" PostId="7238" Score="1" Text="I specifically did not want to point you out (as the editor) because I did not know whether this was a personal reaction or a heap of flags. If this one is a single one I would say that this is an overreaction - but then I do not have to deal with zillions of flags every day as I am not a moderator. I do appreciate your answer above as well. I am more saddened by the removal of the comment as it was specifically playing on the words of the answer." CreationDate="2023-09-03T10:11:02.380" UserId="25229" />
  <row Id="23743" PostId="7238" Score="2" Text="This said, I am offended (for personal reasons so do not ask because it is offensive to ask) by the word &quot;octothorpe&quot; and &quot;stupendously&quot; so I will flag them in the future (just kidding, just kidding). +1 for the reasonable answer BTW" CreationDate="2023-09-03T10:13:54.347" UserId="25229" />
  <row Id="23744" PostId="7238" Score="1" Text="I'm fine with owning up to my deeds/misdeeds. Once I edited the answer the comment became obsolete so I removed it. No malice or religious zealotry involved. I'm not an athiest but wasn't offended." CreationDate="2023-09-03T10:13:57.203" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23756" PostId="7239" Score="1" Text="I think the word you were looking for was &quot;canonical&quot; (not &quot;generic&quot;)" CreationDate="2023-10-16T18:16:20.883" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23758" PostId="7239" Score="0" Text="And another one https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/194101/is-it-reasonable-to-request-working-remotely-from-ecuador" CreationDate="2023-11-06T22:31:58.910" UserId="22086" />
  <row Id="23757" PostId="7243" Score="0" Text="AML is anti money laundering. KYC is part of AML" CreationDate="2023-10-28T15:49:36.270" UserId="30062" />
  <row Id="23796" PostId="7243" Score="1" Text="Anythng to do with AML and KYC that employees deal with should be formally documented already and training given. There are no general answers, the formal documentation must be followed. Anything that's unusual or outside the training goes straight to designated personnel who then follow their documented processes or liaise with police/govt etc,.. Failure to do it properly has consequences up to and including business closure, fines, imprisonment and freezing of bank accounts and assets." CreationDate="2023-12-22T00:11:08.577" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23772" PostId="7246" Score="0" Text="It looks like you linked to one of the answers instead of the question" CreationDate="2023-11-24T14:37:35.110" UserId="64632" />
  <row Id="23759" PostId="7247" Score="2" Text="Thank you for clarifiying, aprecciate it." CreationDate="2023-11-21T12:15:42.393" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23760" PostId="7248" Score="2" Text="In my locale, they are so rare that no one has a clue how to react too. Thanks for the clarification" CreationDate="2023-11-21T14:33:11.967" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23761" PostId="7250" Score="0" Text="I don't think it was, and it really isn't relevant, i wanted to foucus on, Should mods even be able to see flags on their own posts ?" CreationDate="2023-11-21T18:22:31.727" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23762" PostId="7250" Score="0" Text="I don't see why not. But it's not up to us." CreationDate="2023-11-21T18:28:43.197" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23763" PostId="7250" Score="1" Text="Im just thinking it can create a situation where mods could be as rule breaking as they want if they can just deny and overule all flags" CreationDate="2023-11-21T18:33:18.723" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23764" PostId="7250" Score="1" Text="There's plenty of mods with their own agendas on stack exchange, but we have a good team here in my opinion. You can always discuss your concerns privately or escalate." CreationDate="2023-11-21T18:39:48.673" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23765" PostId="7250" Score="3" Text="Hey there @Or4ng3h4t I did some analysis to logs and what you mention in this post and this is what I can say... If you are talking about the &quot;other&quot;-typed flag you flagged on an answer under your most recent post (one answer where I commented about Latin-derived languages), then it was I who handled that flag... not the user who answered... I even wrote a comment (which you can see) when handling it that hinted it was I... Non-mod users can't see those flags nor handle them (at least to non-mod users, mods can see who handled it)." CreationDate="2023-11-21T18:53:40.437" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23766" PostId="7250" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus - was it on one of my answers, per chance?" CreationDate="2023-11-22T03:29:29.717" UserId="135652" />
  <row Id="23767" PostId="7250" Score="0" Text="@TheDemonLord I'm being vague in purpose, and if it's yours or not doesn't matter. The point is that only mods can handle Answer Flags and sometimes we even refrain from doing so and instead let another mod handle it. Thus it's not possible for non-mod users to handle their own flags." CreationDate="2023-11-22T05:21:43.127" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23768" PostId="7250" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus - I thought so ;)" CreationDate="2023-11-22T05:28:35.700" UserId="135652" />
  <row Id="23769" PostId="7250" Score="0" Text="@TheDemonLord No I flagged another answer." CreationDate="2023-11-22T10:51:06.480" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23770" PostId="7250" Score="0" Text="@DarkCygnus Yes the flag is question is the one you are mentioning, and I figured I was wrong, but I think the original question is still relevant, want me to remove it ?" CreationDate="2023-11-22T10:52:11.397" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23771" PostId="7250" Score="1" Text="@Or4ng3h4t no need to remove anything. It seems you have the clarification you asked for so everything is going as it should. Don't be shy to ask for clarification any time. Just make sure you don't have bad intentions when asking. Mods are here to assist." CreationDate="2023-11-22T11:02:33.810" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23773" PostId="7251" Score="0" Text="Often mods don't include a reason (that you can see), but we never delete without a good reason and it is sometimes communicated direct to the OP" CreationDate="2023-12-03T01:01:37.787" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23774" PostId="7251" Score="3" Text="Just after a 3 second look, it smells like AI generated. It is bland generic advice, with no reference or acknowledgement of the actual question asked. I did not put the work in to rigorously test it, as the mod deleting it did, but I would not doubt it for a second that this was just generator output, not a human writing it." CreationDate="2023-12-03T09:31:19.003" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23775" PostId="7252" Score="0" Text="Thanks, that also explains the odd slant to the answer." CreationDate="2023-12-03T18:21:56.187" UserId="271" />
  <row Id="23797" PostId="7253" Score="0" Text="FWIW - Wasn't me, we had a good back and forth - but nothing you said even came close to being a breach of site rules IMO." CreationDate="2023-12-16T00:41:48.313" UserId="135652" />
  <row Id="23788" PostId="7257" Score="14" Text="No. Users don't need to &quot;grow a thicker skin&quot; when some anonymous jerk violates the CoC. It should be flagged, and if y'all can't do anything about it, you should escalate it to the CM team and I don't care if they've got a lot on their plates. If the company can't enforce their CoC with the CM team they have, they should stop laying them off. *Our mission is to build libraries of high-quality questions and answers, and to foster collaboration within a safe and welcoming community rooted in kindness, cooperation and mutual respect.* Often people aren't as anonymous as they think they are." CreationDate="2023-12-20T18:06:47.240" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23789" PostId="7257" Score="9" Text="If WP has a user engaging in this type of attack, y'all need to nip it in the bud. I have seen it get much much worse. They will drive people off the site and you won't even know because you've told users not to flag you unless they're getting repeatedly abused." CreationDate="2023-12-20T18:11:46.653" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23790" PostId="7257" Score="0" Text="I feel it, I had it done to some of my posts, too, on other SEs. It sucks. But that is how the feature works, invite anonymous randoms, get anonymous people acting like it. I am not a fan, quite the contrary, I cannot see any good coming from allowing it at all. If it were for me, this feature would not exist. But once the anonymous typed their text and the OP read it, the harm is done. No flag or Moderator or CM action will undo it. If it happens to be targetted/persistent/multiple users then we will find a way to prevent it, but we cannot prevent every drive-by anonymous on the internet." CreationDate="2023-12-20T18:52:20.427" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23791" PostId="7257" Score="13" Text="You need to escalate it to the CM team, not just throw up your hands and say &quot;Oh well, people are getting attacked but there's nothing we can do because they cleverly logged out before doing it.&quot; They aren't anonymous and staff can figure out who they are. If you're not willing to do that, you should direct people who have been attacked to use the &quot;contact&quot; link at the bottom of the page, not just grow a thicker skin. If the mod team doesn't take CoC violations seriously, that sets a bad tone for the site." CreationDate="2023-12-20T18:58:30.200" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23792" PostId="7257" Score="4" Text="(Ok, they *probably* haven't covered their tracks well enough to be truly anonymous, but it's possible. The only people who can find out are staff. If there are enough complaints, maybe they'll lock anonymous edits down.)" CreationDate="2023-12-20T19:02:21.090" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23793" PostId="7257" Score="1" Text="@ColleenV You should make that into an answer, because you're right. I'd be curious if this is their only offense, or if this is just the first discussed openly..." CreationDate="2023-12-21T19:41:24.130" UserId="98581" />
  <row Id="23794" PostId="7257" Score="3" Text="@GammaGames We will never know who the WP user was that's behaving like an immature ass, because enforcement actions are kept private. Frankly, I don't care, I just want people who are engaging with the site in good faith not to be subjected to this nastiness. There are a lot of ways in the SE system to make sure a user sees a nasty attack while making it difficult for the volunteer mod team to act on it. Every single incident of someone breaking the CoC while thinking they're hiding their identity needs to be escalated to staff, because only the company has the power to fix it." CreationDate="2023-12-21T20:26:39.670" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23795" PostId="7257" Score="7" Text="edit rejection options include &quot;Spam or vandalism&quot; (I just checked - this option is shown at the top of the list) - this is exactly how this should be handled. Per my recollection of related discussions at other metas, system alerts moderators about multiple edits flagged this way and moderators in turn are expected to escalate to CMs if they believe that additional help is needed to stop the abuse" CreationDate="2023-12-21T21:54:06.667" UserId="168" />
  <row Id="23777" PostId="7260" Score="0" Text="The only bit that might be &quot;generalizing a country&quot; is the paragraph which starts, &quot;It France it seems illegal&quot; -- that is a paraphrase of what I've been told, by French people when I try to broach the subject." CreationDate="2023-12-19T07:49:03.933" UserId="18412" />
  <row Id="23778" PostId="7260" Score="0" Text="The question is at the end -- &quot;Is it true that nobody works long hours ever? And if they do or can, how?&quot;" CreationDate="2023-12-19T07:49:55.883" UserId="18412" />
  <row Id="23779" PostId="7260" Score="1" Text="Well, it's obviously untrue that nobody ever works long hours." CreationDate="2023-12-19T07:50:52.413" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23780" PostId="7260" Score="0" Text="That's what I imagine -- it's contrary to my experience in North America -- yet here I'm told not to. So I don't understand, hence the question." CreationDate="2023-12-19T07:52:54.107" UserId="18412" />
  <row Id="23781" PostId="7261" Score="0" Text="Which bit of the word &quot;occasionally&quot; in the first sentence was difficult to understand, eh? I've read of productivity studies (for software developers, e.g. [Peopleware](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peopleware:_Productive_Projects_and_Teams)) and I like it quite a lof that overwork is not the norm here. I just wondered if there's any flexibility. No-one will tell me that there is but occasionally I hear of someone writing something over a week-end. I don't intend to argue against statistics and it wasn't meant to be a discussion about &quot;on average&quot; nor over any kind of long-term." CreationDate="2023-12-19T12:26:31.233" UserId="18412" />
  <row Id="23782" PostId="7261" Score="0" Text="Thank you for answering  this meta-question, anyway." CreationDate="2023-12-19T12:30:32.867" UserId="18412" />
  <row Id="23783" PostId="7261" Score="0" Text="Also I didn't get the comment that &quot;it's not just about France&quot; -- there's &quot;France&quot; in the title, in the tags, and twice in the text. Harrumph." CreationDate="2023-12-19T12:32:14.607" UserId="18412" />
  <row Id="23784" PostId="7261" Score="0" Text="&quot;All studies show that working long hours is a net negative.&quot; - It's not quite that simple. It depends almost entirely on your definition of &quot;long hours&quot;." CreationDate="2023-12-19T18:22:29.747" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23785" PostId="7261" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Well, there is not a single task I have met in my life, that would not be better done in 2 days of 7 hours each, than one 14-hour marathon session in one day. There might be a lot of external factors that force you into that 14h marathon, or maybe it is a challenge, or &quot;fun&quot;, but the OP claimed that doing it once in a while is &quot;better&quot; and I would not agree with that. It is entirely worse, even if &quot;worse&quot; is sometimes a neccessary evil." CreationDate="2023-12-19T20:21:31.143" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23786" PostId="7261" Score="1" Text="@nvoigt - so &quot;long hours&quot; in this context means &quot;many contiguous/marathon hours&quot;? If so, I agree." CreationDate="2023-12-20T11:02:17.937" UserId="7777" />
  <row Id="23787" PostId="7261" Score="0" Text="@JoeStrazzere Yes, the question referred to 12-14 hours in a single day, that's what I meant with &quot;long hours&quot;." CreationDate="2023-12-20T14:30:02.780" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23798" PostId="7262" Score="1" Text="You should know better than to abuse the site by posting non-questions as questions." CreationDate="2023-12-24T17:28:06.837" UserId="16110" />
  <row Id="23799" PostId="7262" Score="1" Text="@nobody - don't be a Grinch, merry Christmas!" CreationDate="2023-12-24T17:41:22.927" UserId="135652" />
  <row Id="23800" PostId="7262" Score="0" Text="Question presupposes that everyone celebrates Christmas, or that if they do, they don't celebrate the Orthodox Christmas (which is in January)" CreationDate="2023-12-24T18:05:36.490" UserId="50253" />
  <row Id="23821" PostId="7265" Score="1" Text="I think this question is sort of moot since you shouldn't really be answering with opinions anyway - there is even a vote to close option if a question is likely to solicit opinions &quot;This question is likely to be answered with opinions rather than facts and citations. It should be updated so it will lead to fact-based answers.&quot;" CreationDate="2024-01-10T16:40:04.763" UserId="139346" />
  <row Id="23822" PostId="7265" Score="1" Text="@JackGifford In a perfect world, no one would, but we all have, and we all will Jack, yourself included." CreationDate="2024-01-11T10:33:50.470" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23823" PostId="7265" Score="1" Text="Guilty as charged, I just wanted to be pedantic :-)" CreationDate="2024-01-11T14:38:39.317" UserId="139346" />
  <row Id="23825" PostId="7265" Score="2" Text="A good rule of thumb is to just upvote any answer of mine if there is one." CreationDate="2024-01-26T03:56:18.163" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23802" PostId="7266" Score="0" Text="I have edited since clearly my intent was not visible at first. I'm sorry. &#xA;&#xA;If you have to start your answers with &quot;In germany&quot; either the questions are improperly tagged, or your experience is not adding anything to the current question since it's not in germany. It would be better to just edit it and place the tag &quot;Germany&quot; IMO, but you do you." CreationDate="2024-01-08T14:48:16.457" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23803" PostId="7266" Score="0" Text="&quot;And if you stray very far from the norm or don't make it visible that your advice is only for a specific subset of locations or people, the expert experience of many people might be &quot;that would not work&quot;. And that is fine, because they are correct.&quot; - I'd love to see where all those experts are, because I haven't recognized a single one of them in this website from any books I've read on the matter. Most users are not expert at all in workplace issues, why do you think everyone is right ? Why do you think that just because you/me/they/them think something is wrong, means it is wrong ?" CreationDate="2024-01-08T14:53:05.527" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23804" PostId="7266" Score="1" Text="They don't &quot;think&quot; it is wrong. It **is** wrong. The Workplace is not a compiler, programming language or laws of physics that works the same world wide. My workplace in my country functions *very* differently from yours in your country. And yet you can be an expert in yours, as I would call myself an expert in mine. And we can advise exact opposite things and both be right in our respective countries or societies, but both would be horribly wrong in the others. So if you are unsure if advice is sound in all possible scenarios, you can either make it clear it is only for yours..." CreationDate="2024-01-08T16:00:55.747" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23805" PostId="7266" Score="1" Text="or live with the fact that other experts in their respective environments will let you know that your advice would never work for them." CreationDate="2024-01-08T16:01:38.600" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23806" PostId="7266" Score="0" Text="I guess I'm just too cynical to believe strangers on the internet are experts, I mean they don't even need to prove it, as you just said, you call yourself an expert, yet I can't confirm if you are or not, thanks to anonymity (I mean this in a good way, about anonymity).&#xA;&#xA;Shouldn't there be a screening to be classified as expert ? Like present a diploma in the field etc ? I can say I'm an expert at rocket propulsion, doesn't mean tesla is going to listen to me. (stupid example but you get the gist i hope)" CreationDate="2024-01-08T16:31:52.937" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23807" PostId="7266" Score="0" Text="And shouldn't the OP be the one to vote whether it would work for him, since he is the only person in his situation ? I know the world isn't a perfect place, I'm not expecting everyone to follow along, but have votes always been supposed to be just opinionated and not objective (in this SE) ?" CreationDate="2024-01-08T16:34:29.987" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23815" PostId="7266" Score="3" Text="&quot;I guess I'm just too cynical to believe strangers on the internet are experts&quot; Well, that is how SE works. If you doubt that, you may be better served by a different format, where people have been vetted to your liking. Maybe read books from authors you know and trust, or visit conferences or a university course." CreationDate="2024-01-08T18:20:21.100" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23816" PostId="7266" Score="2" Text="&quot;And shouldn't the OP be the one to vote whether it would work for him&quot; they do. The OP is only person who can &quot;accept&quot; an answer. They can chose to accept the answer they prefer, even if it has downvotes." CreationDate="2024-01-08T18:22:05.710" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23817" PostId="7266" Score="0" Text="Fair enough, wp" CreationDate="2024-01-08T18:39:10.343" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23818" PostId="7266" Score="0" Text="@Or4ng3h4t the voters are not experts either" CreationDate="2024-01-08T18:42:07.243" UserId="40669" />
  <row Id="23819" PostId="7266" Score="0" Text="Exactly my point on why it should be based on quality of answer/question, not on what the &quot;experts&quot; concur it would be best." CreationDate="2024-01-09T09:20:47.970" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23820" PostId="7266" Score="2" Text="But who do you think should judge the quality of something, if not the experts?" CreationDate="2024-01-09T09:53:53.443" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23808" PostId="7267" Score="0" Text="&quot;Well-researched, and useful&quot; seems like a good way to objectively rate a good answer, if it isn't both of those, it should be downvoted. Seems pretty clear to me." CreationDate="2024-01-08T17:00:03.593" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23809" PostId="7267" Score="4" Text="What makes you believe your *opinion* of what constitutes &quot;well-researched&quot; or &quot;useful&quot; is the standard everyone is using? Those are subjective measures. An objective measure is &quot;conforms to modern English grammar as described in CGEL&quot;." CreationDate="2024-01-08T17:05:55.647" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23810" PostId="7267" Score="0" Text="Research &quot;a detailed study of a subject, especially in order to discover (new) information or reach a (new) understanding: &quot;Researched by being just the past tense, means that something researched like an answer should lead to new information or understanding, if an answer doesn't lead to NEW contextual information or understanding (new perspective if I understood the meaning).Its not well researched.&#xA;&#xA;Are you really telling me useful isn't an objective measure ? &#xA;&#xA;&quot;Effective; helping you to do or achieve something&quot; Means every answer should help you achieve something, effectively." CreationDate="2024-01-08T17:22:17.330" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23811" PostId="7267" Score="3" Text="You can define all the words you want; the final judgement of whether to up or down vote in this system is subjective. Everyone has their own threshold for whether a particular quality of a post merits a vote one way or the other." CreationDate="2024-01-08T17:54:27.950" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23812" PostId="7267" Score="0" Text="I didn't define anything, I used your given criteria that was &quot;conforms to modern English grammar as described in CGEL&quot;, which was where I copied the meaning from. I'm not defining anything, I'm merely showing you, by your definition, that both those worlds are Objective Measures, which you said it was only my Opinion, like dictionaries were never a thing. What I think you're trying to get too, is if the question is Good or Bad, those are indeed constructs that can't be defined." CreationDate="2024-01-08T18:01:58.317" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23813" PostId="7267" Score="2" Text="I didn't define any criteria. I gave an example of an objective measure hoping the contrast would help you distinguish between subjective and objective measures. Sorry it didn't help." CreationDate="2024-01-08T18:15:16.117" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23814" PostId="7267" Score="0" Text="No problem, it happens." CreationDate="2024-01-08T18:16:06.197" UserId="140150" />
  <row Id="23824" PostId="7271" Score="2" Text="Looked back at 2021 to see the Users Destroyed and was surprised at the number back then :O (then remembered the spam waves we had and the inclusion of smoke detector)..." CreationDate="2024-01-25T19:34:12.683" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23826" PostId="7271" Score="3" Text="Indeed quite the outlier from the norm. :) For those who don't want to drill down: the user destruction counts going from 2023 back to 2019 are: 99, 27, 2303, 432, 9.&#xA;DarkCygnus elaborated on the high number in the 2021 post [here](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/a/7041/25739)" CreationDate="2024-01-28T18:44:08.323" UserId="25739" />
  <row Id="23827" PostId="7272" Score="6" Text="You will want the meta stack exchange. You could've found all this by checking the guidelines for here, which you didn't do." CreationDate="2024-02-02T14:16:19.023" UserId="66740" />
  <row Id="23828" PostId="7272" Score="2" Text="This isn’t a place to promote your free community. The reason you cannot submit a comment is because you have to earn that privilege after you have proven you understand how to positively contribute to the community. If you don’t have a question that falls within the guidelines described in the help center, then whatever you submit, will be deleted by the community" CreationDate="2024-02-02T15:51:37.353" UserId="593" />
  <row Id="23829" PostId="7272" Score="2" Text="It seems like you've misunderstood what this site is for - it would be good to take the [tour]. I'm sorry you were mistaken for a spammer when you believed you were posting something helpful. The community here gets a little testy when people jump in without lurking a little bit to see what the site is about, especially when it seems like it is just to advertise something." CreationDate="2024-02-02T15:53:55.720" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23830" PostId="7272" Score="4" Text="We are not a forum. We don’t have discussions. We don’t promote other communities. We ask questions about issues within the workplace" CreationDate="2024-02-02T15:59:16.683" UserId="593" />
  <row Id="23831" PostId="7272" Score="0" Text="Also, we don't do direct messages here.  The best you could do is enter the chat room, but you'll need 20 rep first." CreationDate="2024-02-02T16:36:43.083" UserId="128774" />
  <row Id="23832" PostId="7272" Score="1" Text="I’m voting to close this question because it's obviously not intended as an actual question, but instead intended to continue to generate leads and interest (see the last paragraph especially). This is either a scam or a multi-level marketing scheme." CreationDate="2024-02-02T17:12:52.000" UserId="139346" />
  <row Id="23833" PostId="7272" Score="0" Text="Maybe its not the site for me. Shame, I thought I could have added value for some, but maybe if its just a questions and answers site, not a discussion/discovery of info then I'll take my questions elsewhere." CreationDate="2024-02-02T17:25:27.540" UserId="143575" />
  <row Id="23834" PostId="7272" Score="0" Text="I do love however how everyone wants to tell me off..... I'm 49, not 4! lol" CreationDate="2024-02-02T17:26:17.767" UserId="143575" />
  <row Id="23835" PostId="7272" Score="0" Text="Jack, I'm not a scammer...... I'm an Enterprise Architect. I work for banks, government and healhcare and I think if I was a scammer then I'd hardly have any work with them. Thank you to CollenV for kindly pointting me in the right direction and bveing so helpful.  If there isn't a community for my type of questions then mayeb thats the problem here." CreationDate="2024-02-02T17:30:28.030" UserId="143575" />
  <row Id="23841" PostId="7272" Score="0" Text="@PaulIngram, There is a site called &quot;**stack exchange software engineering**&quot;. Maybe, that site is somewhat related to your idea for the **Architect** forum. Please check it out." CreationDate="2024-02-03T15:37:30.947" UserId="119348" />
  <row Id="23843" PostId="7272" Score="0" Text="Thank you Job_September_2020" CreationDate="2024-02-07T11:17:44.147" UserId="143575" />
  <row Id="23836" PostId="7273" Score="0" Text="Thanks, I'll probably lurk as its not been a great experience so maybe need to observe for a bit. Appreciate the link and taking the time to explain things. Would have been nice if the majority of the others had done the same. I don't think the tour is well publicised so clearly didn't see it, but have taken it now as Collen was kind enough to share the link. If I want to do adverts then I'd be slightly unsure for now as its not the best bang for buck when your first post makes you want to leave. I also tried to upvote your comment....but obviosuly cant" CreationDate="2024-02-02T18:08:49.227" UserId="143575" />
  <row Id="23837" PostId="7273" Score="0" Text="Quick one - whats the discussion button mean? Serious question.....maybe thats not helping....." CreationDate="2024-02-02T18:16:59.790" UserId="143575" />
  <row Id="23838" PostId="7273" Score="2" Text="@Paul Ingram It's a tag rather than a button (think of it as a form of category for your post here), and it's one that's unique to the &quot;meta&quot; sites such as this one where we post *about* the main site  - you may have noticed this post was &quot;migrated&quot; from the main site where we do Q&amp;A about workplace issues to this one where it looks pretty similar but the colour scheme is different etc" CreationDate="2024-02-02T18:22:14.650" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="23839" PostId="7273" Score="2" Text="More on what meta is and how it works [here](https://workplace.stackexchange.com/help/whats-meta)" CreationDate="2024-02-02T18:23:07.030" UserId="64903" />
  <row Id="23840" PostId="7273" Score="0" Text="thanks or the link" CreationDate="2024-02-02T18:44:01.773" UserId="143575" />
  <row Id="23842" PostId="7274" Score="0" Text="Cheers TDL for giving the benefit of the doubt. What I linked to is a FREE option, and yes I have paid mentoring classes but I pay for LinkedIn ads for that and was considering paid ads here for that, but what I was offering, but also asking for views on seems to not be a fit for what people suggest they use this site for, so I'll refrain from asking those types of questions as its suggested this is not a &quot;forum&quot; or discussion site just a Q&amp;A (even though I think thats what I am after which is opinons which could be a simply &quot;answer&quot; to help people progress either their career or someone . ;)" CreationDate="2024-02-07T11:14:18.487" UserId="143575" />
  <row Id="23845" PostId="7278" Score="1" Text="What exactly is the connection to the workplace? What problem in the workplace are you trying to solve?" CreationDate="2024-02-27T07:05:20.900" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23846" PostId="7278" Score="0" Text="I'm having a social project for computer literacy and would like to study the need of people from workplace to learn programing, so we can target the audience/serve their need better" CreationDate="2024-02-27T07:54:45.843" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="23847" PostId="7278" Score="0" Text="My artist husband learned Python so he could make his genAI tool do what he wanted it to do. The programmers working on the open source project either didn't believe him or didn't understand him when he told them parts of it weren't working correctly. I don't know if he counts as having a non-tech background though. He just didn't know how to code. I imagine there are as many reasons people learn to program as there are people." CreationDate="2024-02-27T13:55:10.343" UserId="26699" />
  <row Id="23857" PostId="7278" Score="1" Text="Possible suggestions to improve the wording/grammar: *“What would be the reasons for a non-tech person to learn code/programming?” …&quot;for most common tasks… what would be the moment that drives someone to study programming?&quot;*" CreationDate="2024-03-01T08:54:26.520" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23859" PostId="7278" Score="0" Text="You either learn programming because that's what you love doing or out of sheer necessity. For example, those who are forced, due to professional circumstances  and/or the job market (money), to be able to find work. But without passion I can't imagine any language being easy to master, I suspect those who strongly dislike math would find it most challenging. // In brief, although your question is interesting, it would encourage discussion in the comments and in the end nobody would agree with anyone." CreationDate="2024-03-01T09:07:03.980" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23860" PostId="7278" Score="0" Text="@Mari-LouA if you find it's interesting, I wonder if you find it a workplace problem, or a problem to a job itself?" CreationDate="2024-03-01T18:33:39.323" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="23862" PostId="7278" Score="0" Text="It's not really about the place of work, though is it? It's about changing career, learning a valuable skill, and/ or improving your chances of getting a job or one that pays more." CreationDate="2024-03-01T20:09:28.620" UserId="105551" />
  <row Id="23850" PostId="7280" Score="1" Text="Briefly searching, i found we have both &quot;offtopic&quot; and &quot;off-topic&quot; so those are without a doubt the same. I also see that &quot;off-topic&quot; links/is synonym with on-topic-definition. Regarding &quot;scope&quot; I can think of examples of how scope is not the same as asking if something is on/off topic (i.e.: user asking help to narrow down the scope of a prospect question)." CreationDate="2024-02-27T20:12:33.003" UserId="73791" />
  <row Id="23852" PostId="7280" Score="0" Text="then perhaps we should make the tag less ambiguity: question-scope and site-scope. The latter which will be merged with on-topic-definition" CreationDate="2024-02-28T04:06:19.613" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="23848" PostId="7281" Score="0" Text="if the answer is a statistic, then isn't that we should copy the relevant part in the answer, and that's what notorious in SE?" CreationDate="2024-02-27T16:38:35.367" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="23849" PostId="7281" Score="1" Text="Sure, if it's open content and you are allowed to do so. But even then, it's not really a &quot;workplace&quot; answer, because there does not seem to be a workplace problem. You could as well ask &quot;what standing desks do office workers prefer&quot; or &quot;what are the reasons constructions workers prefer soda over tea&quot;. Sure, it's all tangentially related to the workplace, but none of it really is a workplace problem. Nor is SE a good format to get a good answer to those kind of questions." CreationDate="2024-02-27T17:03:39.483" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23851" PostId="7281" Score="0" Text="it seems to me that &quot;workplace problem&quot; is all about interpersonal issues in the office, right?" CreationDate="2024-02-28T04:04:37.747" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="23853" PostId="7281" Score="1" Text="Not at all, being fired unfairly from the job at a fishing trawler by HR using an algorithm is definetely a workplace problem, although it isn't interpersonal or involves an office. What makes it a workplace problem is that it is an actual problem with the workplace, opposed to a problem with the job itself (lets say &quot;how do I operate a 500SX crane on a trawler&quot;) or a survey." CreationDate="2024-02-28T06:11:01.210" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23854" PostId="7281" Score="0" Text="I understand a problem with the job itself is not a workplace problem. Can you give an example on a survey that looks like a workplace problem but not?" CreationDate="2024-02-28T13:18:49.093" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="23855" PostId="7281" Score="0" Text="Not sure what you mean. Surveys are generally a bad fit for our SE format, we expect each answer to be an authorative answer to the question. A survey questions multiple people, each with their own answer that is not an authorative answer to your question and only through piecing it all together and compiling numbers and averages, you will get what you are looking for." CreationDate="2024-02-28T13:27:27.923" UserId="10813" />
  <row Id="23856" PostId="7281" Score="0" Text="oh, I was framed by the statistic research, and thought survey is it. I guess you mean it's the proposed question" CreationDate="2024-02-28T17:53:52.567" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="23861" PostId="7281" Score="0" Text="hmm, [how are workplace problems different to HR problems?](https://workplace.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7284/26826)" CreationDate="2024-03-01T18:46:26.640" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="23863" PostId="7286" Score="0" Text="What kinds of interviewing issues or conflict resolutions aren't HR problem?" CreationDate="2024-03-09T11:58:41.500" UserId="26826" />
  <row Id="23864" PostId="7286" Score="0" Text="Most of them.... and sometimes the HR dept is the problem someone needs to solve" CreationDate="2024-03-09T12:23:38.513" UserId="40669" />
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